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Talk:Altaria (Pokémon)

2013-11-22T00:41:37Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Are we seriously not going to mention the Finnish power metal band. */ new section

Does anyone know the meaning of Altaria's Japanese name?

>I'm pretty sure it's named after a star in the Draco constilation. I know it's an astrological reference, anyways.

- Zeta

== Location ==

Where is Altaria located in ruby/sapphire and beyond? I don't have any of them but D/P and this won't tell me where. [[User:Tyrogue|Tyrogue]]
:You just have to be patient. Bulbapedia relies on voluntary work and we already know where there are gaps. As it happens, I was working through the Game locations before my unexpected absense in the last week but now that I'm back I'll get back into them. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::To tide you over, I think they can be found in the [[Sky Pillar]], though very rarely. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:::You could also evolve Swablu, they're found on {{rt|114}} and evolve at level 35. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought they were in Sky Pillar... [[User:Tyrogue|Tyrogue]]

== Another name theory ==

Could the "Alt" in Altaria's name possibly refer to the word "altitude", as in a high altitude. It does make sense, being a Flying-type. -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm.....maybe. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 00:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

== Altaria-based of a Phoenix? ==

It is,after all,a Dragon-type Pokémon and can learn moves such as Flamethrower and Fire Blast(even though many other non-Fire-types do too)
If I recall correctly this was even once written in the Origin section!

== Albatross? ==
...er? I didn't want to just change it, but it seems rather unfounded that it would be based on 'Albatross'. Just because it's name starts with the same two letters and it's a bird doesn't mean it's related. They've got nothing else in common. -absolutely nothing-. At least nothing I can see. The other reasons make a lot more sense. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 17:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==
Can someone please add the Stats heading above Base Stats? -_- I made an account to fix it, but I can't edit it. [[User:Amec|Amec]]
:Done and done. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 19:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia about Special Defense ==

Doesn't Giratina altered form have a higher special defense? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 06:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

==Draco Meteor==
Didn't Druddigon also use Draco Meteor in BW030?[[User:SONICバリヤ|SONICバリヤ]] 15:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:Yep. However, the page isn't protected, so you could have removed the trivia yourself.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 15:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Anyone find it ironic how Altaria is a power rock band and Altaria looks really calm?
Anyone?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 23:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Altaria's name's meaning. ==

In Portuguese, Ária means melody. Well, it might be related to Alt'''aria''' somehow. [[User:Mennace|Mennace]] 05:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
"Altaria, Vibrava, and Kingdra are the only Dragon-type Pokémon whose pre-evolved forms are not Dragon-type." Surely that's not notable as there's three different Pokémon like that? ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 10:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== Are we seriously not going to mention the Finnish power metal band. ==

We had this info a few years ago, why'd we delete it?

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

2012-05-27T00:28:43Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Pokeball */ new section

== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling? {{unsigned|Viridis.net@gmail.com}}

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The article says the only way to know Shedinja's HP IV is finding out its "brother" Ninjask IV, but couldn't we figure it out by knowing Hidden Power type and power? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 23:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think you are confusing {{stat|HP}} and {{m|Hidden Power|HP}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::But isn't {{m|Hidden Power|HP}} determined by IVs such as {{stat|HP}}'s? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 23:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{m|Hidden Power}}'s type and power depend on every stat IV. If you know the Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed IV, then knowing our Shedinja's Hidden Power type and power would take us to an obvious conclusion of its HP IV, wouldn't it? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 00:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it wouldn't. The formula for calculating the strength and type of Hidden Power relies only on the IVs modulo 2 and modulo 4. For example, if you could change a Shedinja's HP IV from 1 to 29, the type and power of Hidden Power would not change. This is because 1 and 29 are congruent modulo 2 and modulo 4. For more information, see the "Number of possible Hidden Powers" section of the Hidden Power calculation article. [[User:Ali 247|Ali 247]] 17:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
maybe it would be more usable with the Focus Sash?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Logicalfighter666|Logicalfighter666]] ([[User talk:Logicalfighter666|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Logicalfighter666|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
there would be no such thing as a super effective attack.
:::It's completely impossible to be immune from damage, no matter what one does. Even a (hacked, let's say) Dark/Ghost-type with Wonder Guard would be hurt by weather attacks. Since you can't combine Air Lock and Wonder Guard, it is impossible to not take any damage. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 14:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Double Battle. But you are right that it is impossible to be immune from damage: status damage. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Itxi|Itxi]] ([[User talk:Itxi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Itxi|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: I was bold and edited it. [[User:Lady BlahDeBlah|Lady BlahDeBlah]] 11:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think that maybe Eseamus was right, because a friend of mine tried it with a great ball, and it didn't work. [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 19:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Last time I checked Shedinja doesn't have a gender, and I somehow doubt that a Ditto can breed the genderless as it has gender last time I remember. You can prove me wrong, it has been a long time since I last checked. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ditto can breed with the genderless, otherwise we'd have no {{p|Phione}}, no baby {{p|Porygon}}, and a heck of a lot of problems. It's the genderless that can't interbreed. Ditto makes it all possible (unless you're in the {{egg2|No eggs}}). It results in a Nincada, same as if you bred the Ninjask. The only odd thing is... Shedinja is in the {{egg2|Mineral}}... Nincada and Ninjask are in the {{egg|Bug}}... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto is genderless(random comment).[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 21:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Scrappy or Foresight will onlywork with Mold Breaker ==
As they aren't super-effective even after Foresight (and Fighting wouid even be "resisted"). --[[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] 08:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Focus Sash ==

what would happen when focus sash is equipped to shedy? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 19:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:It can withstand one hit that would otherwise faint it. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, since Focus Sash is only one use. But if you equip Focus Band, then it's possible it could survive for a lot longer. Of course, it's equally possible it'll die on the first hit.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 00:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
When I use the name rater, despite being genderless, Shedinja will have a gender when we write a new nickname. Wouldn't that be a nice information for trivia? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 02:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I have confirmation of this... If someone can determine where the gender comes from this would be great. At the moment I'm picking the same gender as your Nijask. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flail and Reversal ==
I know it's impossible for a Shedinja to have either of these moves without hacking, but supposed one was hacked to have either of these moves... would it have 20 Power because it's at max HP, or would it have 200 power because it only has 1 HP? --[[User:Derian|Derian]] 16:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:That's probably the reason why it's impossible. [[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|ハネを　うごかさずに　とびまわる。からだの　なかは　からっぽで　いきを　しない　ふしぎな　ポケモン。|It flies around without moving its wings. A strange Pokémon that doesn't breathe and has an empty body.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Small edit requests. First, can you make a ==Pokedex entries== thing over the anime Pokedex entries, and second, can you put a comma in between body and giving? Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Breeding generation 4 ==

I've managed to teach my nincada/ shedinja toxic by breeding from a dustox in emerald. if someone wants to verify this works of generation 4 games, too and add it to the page it'd be nice.
:Nincada can learn Toxic by TM. TM moves known by the father are passed down to the egg if the egg's species is capable of learning the TM, regardless of whether the father learned it by TM or not. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

==HP Up==
What about with an HP Up?--[[User:Dratini Egg|Dratini Egg]] 20:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:It's HP is ''always'' 1, regardless of IV and EVs. HP Ups just add EVs, which are completely ignored for Shedinja's HP. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Shinyness ==

If this is already in the article, i must not have noticed, but...

-Will a shiny Nincada always produce a shiny Shedinja when it evolves?
-If the Nincada is not shiny, is there a chance the Shedinja will be anyway? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:To answer your first question, yes. A shiny Nincada will produce a shiny Shedinja. It also answers your second question. No. A normal Nincada will never make a shiny Shedinja. Because of identical values and such. I'm not good with that stuff. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It may seem kind of obvious, but i was just checking, because if it were different, it might have been trivia worthy. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Can't this fact be put under Trivia? {{unsigned|Gideon Kreeter}}
:Why? The Shedinja will always have the same personality value (therefore same IVs, Nature, Shinyness, etc.) as the Nincada it (sort of) evolves from. Just like any other Pokémon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen IV Poison? ==

Is Shedinja really immune to Poison damage in Gen IV? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, due to its ability. Why? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I think he means Poison status condition. I often use Shedinja and it can be poisoned.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 18:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean immune to being Poisoned, I mean immune to taking damage after being Poisoned. I was curious because it seems kind of weird for it to be immune to Poison damage without being immune to any other non-super-effective damage. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 19:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, Poison hasn't been super effective to Bug since Gen I. And furthermore, Shedinja's Ghost type would made it '''resist''' Poison.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 19:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{a|Wonder Guard}} will only protect Shedinja from direct damage. [[Status ailment]]s (like {{status|Poison}}) and [[weather conditions]] will still affect it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Halo ==

Is it me, or in gen III's back sprite, the gap is at the front, and in the gen IV back sprite, the gap is at the back? Shouldn't this belong in the trivia? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 20:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:The gap is actually in the back in both generations, but perspective makes the Generation III halo look wonky. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== How does Shedinja learn egg moves? ==

There are several egg moves listed for Shedinja...but since it is genderless, how can it learn those moves? [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 23:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:Evolve a Nincada that has them.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Under the Type effectiveness section, it says that Future Sight and Doom Desire can still hit Shedinja. With said moves now taking type into account, is this still true?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:No, Wonder Guard blocks it now. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shedsturdy ==

Will a shedinja take no damage if it has sturdy as it's ability?
:It ''will'' still take damage; the term "OHKO" specifically refers to four moves (Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold), not "moves that KO with one hit". (Also, it's "its". : P) —'''[[User:Hexagon Theory|hexagon]][[User_talk:Hexagon Theory|THEORY]]''' 08:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::In Generation V Sturdy protects from all moves that would OHKO the pokemon not just those four. But Shedinja would still be knocked out by status damage, weather, recoil, spikes and stealth rock. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 08:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Guardian Angel ==
How does the ability Wonder Guard lend to the concept of a 'Guardian Angel'? I see both have 'Guard' but Wonder Guard refers more to guarding Shedinja, whilst the Angel is a protector of somebody else, yes? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 20:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there is still its halo...--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

== Belly Drum ==

There is a website where you can "hack" certain moves onto a Pokémon that couldn't normally learn it. I was wondering what would happen if you hack Belly Drum on to Shedinja and then try to use it. My guess is that it would fail, but i want to be sure. {{unsigned|Benboy803}}
:You could have Shedinja mimic Belly Drum without hacking but it would fail, same thing for Substitute. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 21:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::Ok thank you. {{unsigned|Benboy803}}

== Trivia ==

When adding trivia is allowed, shouldn't it be noted that it is (theoretically) possible to make a Shedinja immune to all forms of direct damage? This can be done by done by entering a [[double battle]]/[[triple battle]] with {{p|Staryu}} knowing {{m|Reflect Type}} and a Shedinja knowing {{m|Mimic}}.
*Staryu uses Reflect Type. Shedinja, who is slower than Staryu, uses Mimic on Staryu. The foes do anything but [[faint]] Shedinja
*Staryu switches out into {{p|Sableye}}/{{p|Spiritomb}}. Shedinja uses Mimic-Reflect Type on Spiritomb. The foes do anything but faint Shedinja before it uses Mimic-Reflect Type
*Shedinja is now invincible to any means of direct damage.
And then, Shedinja starts destroying the entire world during the battle. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
:It could be done with any Pokemon. Have a Pokemon use Skill Swap to obtain Wonder Guard, then dothe res. I dont think its notable. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 08:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, you can only Skill Swap Wonder Guard in Generation III. However, you can still {{a|Trace}} it and get similar results. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

== 1 HP trivia: composed of assumptions? ==

''"If Shedinja obtains Sturdy in Generation V, it can survive any direct attack"''

Impossible because:
* A Pokemon can only have one ability. It cannot have two. For this to happen you would need both Wonder Guard and Sturdy.
* Trivia implies that this will only be possible if the game introduces two abilities for a single Pokemon.

This is an assumption based on personal thoughts. Its like saying that "if GameFreak introduced this feature, this Pokemon would be the most strongest one in the entire world". Trivia implies that maybe if GameFreak changes its game-engines this is possible. Can Trivia's be composed of assumptions? [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
:You're wrong; Shedinja doesn't need Wonder Guard anymore if it gets Sturdy.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:22, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
::Also, it is actually possible: change Shedinja's Ability with Simple Beam, Entrainment, or Worry Seed, then Skill Swap Sturdy on. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::: I interpreted it wrong when I first read the statement. Before Gen V, sturdy only blocks [[One-hit knockout move]]s which is not just 'any' attack. However on Gen V, when a Pokemon is brought from full HP to 0 HP, instead of being KO'd it has 1HP remaining instead. In a way it acts like an auto-[[Endure]] that is immediately in effect when the Pokemon is brought to battle and has a 100% of working :-) [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:37, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
::::It would help if that trivia entry was a bit more clearer. Maybe you should put what you explained to me on the article? I can't seem to understand before when I first read it. It might help others understand it better. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Like add to the article what you explained to me here? [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

== Pokeball ==

Is a pokeball not required in gen 3 or starting in gen 3?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|^^I^ rides camels… | love 'em. ]] ''([[User talk:Mpcamel1729|T^LK]])'' 00:28, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Solid Rock (Ability)

2012-04-07T02:00:49Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Trivia */ new section

==I can confrim for certain==
Solid Rock Reduced Damage by 1/3. I tested by having both a Rhyperior and a Camerupt hit by a Max Sp. Atk Kyogre And Rain boosted Max health Water Spout, while Rhyperior and Camerupt (Both being 4x weak to Water) each had Light Screen and 3 stages of Sp. Def increase passed to them, a well as Max HP stats and a certain amount of Sp. Def each. Using a modifier of 1/3rds(Thus the Water spout is only 2.66x effective instead of 4x), I calculated that they would survive with very little HP, then proceed to take out the Kyogre with their own attacks, which the video showed. If Solid rock was 1/4th, the two would've been KO'd right there, and if it was 1/2, they would've had much more HP left. All other calculations I've ever made using 1/3 reduction have been completely accurate to what I see in battle.
I can upload the vid to my youtube and post a link if you need to see it for yourselves. I can also post the damage calculation formula with the stats put in as well.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 01:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

==It has to be one or the other==

Bulbapedia says Solid Rock reduces super damage by 1/3. Serebii says by half. We should really find out which is which, I don't like seeing differences like this. A similar thing happened with [[Iron Fist]]. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']][[Image:Trozeiani157.gif]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']][[Image:Trozeiani286.gif]] 01:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

:I...don't know which is correct. Ourselves and Serebii seem to be the only two sources with specific reduction amounts. Sorry I can't help you. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, after checking out some other sites, it seems like no one knows. ive seen 1/3, 2/3, 1/2, 1/4. im going to continue looking, but, um... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer's Rhyperior. ==

When Rhyperior was hit by Grotle's Energy Ball, hit hardly did any damage, so is this Solid Rock activating in the Anime?

== Trivia ==

I think there could be a trivia point that all Pokemon who can have this ability have at least one 4X weakness. I would add it myself anyway, except that adding trivia is forbidden right now due to B/W server load.--[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 02:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Shouldn't we have the 4x as a trivia and not at the top?
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Talk:Pokémon: Yeah! I Got Pokémon!

2012-03-18T03:04:27Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Attrapez-les tous! */ new section

== Pokémon ''Getto Daze !'' ? ==

I own a copy of the French version of volume 2 and it says : "original title: Pokemon Getto Daze".[[User:WenGobou|WenGobou]] 17:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:It's just a slightly different romanisation method. Since Japanese oft only approximates foreign words, 'get' ends up being spelt 'getto' to have similar pronunciation in Japanese to English 'get'. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 06:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Attrapez-les tous! ==

Attrapez-les tous means 'Catch them All!' as in a command form, so there is no 'Gotta'.
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Talk:List of glitches in Generation III/Archive 1

2012-03-18T03:01:25Z

Mpcamel1729: /* IV Glitch */ new section

==Roaming IV glitch==
I think this glitch should be moved to the list of minor glitches. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm elaborate [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 21:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Well, it's just a minor glitch, not a big one, so it shouldn't have its own page. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 22:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::I also think that this should be on the list of minor glitches. There are more major glitches than this on the list. This page is much to short to be by itself. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::I agree that It should be moved to it- it is very minor. Snorlax is also right- it is a short article, much too short to be alone. MOVE IT! [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 20:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:::The page 'List of minor glitches' is now a mere redirect. Shouldn't it be moved to '[[List of glitches in Generation III]]'? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Shadow Pokémon Glitch ==

Someone please give some more information on this glitch. Is it true, can it be fixed, anything. I was going to reset for shiny Legendary Beasts in Colosseum so I could have them in Gen III, but if they are not going to be shiny after I catch them there is no point in it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 15:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:Well, you can just save right before encountering them, and reset after you catch them. Catch, then check if they're Shiny; if not, reset. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:: Yep, that would work. Just need to hope and pray I can catch them every encounter before they knock themselves out using struggle. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 20:50, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Glitch explained.--[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 07:56, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Someone just added that a Pokémon's Ability can change between when it is the opponent's and after it has been snagged. This would mean that the personality value does change between being the opponent's and player's, since Ability is not affected by OT. If true, this would also mean that checking the opponent's ID rather than the player's isn't the only reason some Pokémon can change from Shiny to non-Shiny and vice versa. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

== Dewford Gym Glitch ==

False. It says it's removed in Emerald, but it's not. I checked Ruby and Emerald... [http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2223/pokemonruby02.png Click]. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:According to the article, the glitch is that "the wall behind the right-hand statue in Dewford Gym" does it... that is the left statue, that's what it's supposed to do. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Aw... my bad. >_> [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Poké Flute ==

I tested it on sleeping Pidgey (since both Snorlax[e]s on overworld are screwed), and after summoning Help button, the music was muted until the message informing about awaking sleeping Pokémon (where it changed from Poké Flute to wild battle) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 13:19, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== IV Glitch ==

The IV glitch affects how fast the stats (except HP) grows, right?
Would it also affect the chances of the Pokémon being shiny?
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Talk:Castform (Pokémon)

2012-03-18T02:42:39Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Shiny */ new section

{{Forme info|351{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|1=S|2=R|3=H}}.png|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|[[Form differences#Castform|Castform's forms]]|Castform as though it were in either it's Normal, Sunny, Rainy or Snowy forms. However, this cannot be accurately reproduced here|the artwork shown in the infobox, the type-themed color displays, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, the anime image shown, the manga image shown, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|hour}}

== Marking [[Solarbeam (move)|Solarbeam]] as a [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] move ==

In most pages, {{M|Solarbeam}} isn't marked as a STAB move for {{T|Fire}} pokémon, since it usually isn't Fire type. However, in the case of Castform, any time that Castform is Fire, so is Solarbeam. Because of this, I marked Solarbeam as a STAB move for Castform's Fire type form. [[User:User142|User142]] ([[User talk:User142|Talk]]) 10:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Your logic is flawed for two reasons: one is quite simply that Solarboam is not powered up during strong sunlight (but rather becomes a one-turn move), the other is that whatever the case, STAB refers only to boosts due to type. This means that even if you were correct about Solarbeam's boost, it would still not be called STAB. If to elaborate, during strong sunlight or rain, not only does Castform type change (hence STAB), but Fire or Water-type moves receive an ''equivalent'' boost to that of STAB. It is necessary to distinguish between the two effects, if only for the fact that they can be combined into a 2.25 boost when a Fire or Water-type Pokémon (or Castform) is involved. Treating them as one effectively disregards that advantage - a vital one in Castform's case.

As a rule, the different terminology are best left separate. This also applies to base stats and type effectiveness - factoring Defense and Special Defense into the latter results in meaningless statistics. Simply put, the damage formula is not in direct proportion to the defense stat, unlike your assumption in computing the numbers. I will be glad to explain the formula at length if you are not convinced, as I hope to recruit you to revert your many edits pertaining to type effectiveness. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

Reading your sentence again, it seems that I was confused as to the source of your misconception. I imagined you had thought Solarbeam was powered up under strong sunlight in addition to Fire-type moves, which I could understand, but you actually seem to have thought its type changed. Either way, it is a mistake.

I will say that in Castform's case, weather effects deserve to be taken into account when computing type effectiveness in the same way Ninetales' Flash Fire ability is factorized. However, you considered weather effects as doubling or halving, when it is, in fact, a 1.5 or 0.66 multiplier. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

There are only THREE moves that change their type at all: Hidden Power (varies between each individual Pokémon), Weather Ball (changes type depending on the weather), and Judgment (changes type to match the Plate held by the user; Normal-type if it's not holding a Plate). Solarbeam is ALWAYS a Grass-type attack, no matter who uses it. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Sand Form ==

Castform has a sand form, correct? If so, some should get a pic up.
:No it doesn't. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 12:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

==Custom Forms==
Can somoene like, make their own custom sandform sprites: I want to see what people think sandstorm castform, night time castform, fog castform, the magical glitter thing that happens in snowpoint and their shiny sprites would look like!!!!!!!--[[User:1i2h3c4c5e6|1i2h3c4c5e6]] 05:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
:Uh, no, this isn't a fake sprite request page. Also, the Castform forms don't have different shiny sprites, just the normal form does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 05:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, we're an informitive wiki, not a fan site. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==Castform being a non-artificial pokemon==

I don't think Castform should be marked as an artificial pokémon because a) it cn be found in the wild b) you can breed it and c) Mewtwo is a one-off genetically mutated pokémon therefore it is an artificial pokemo because there is only one of it and it was manmade. Also all porygon are manmade and cannot breed and therefore the species should be marked as an artificial pokemon. Finally as an ending note Castform are said to prefer grass lands in the wild which goes to support point A showng it not to be an artificial pokémon. Hence I would like to change the information about Castform being an artficial pokemon --[[User:Wikid|Wikid]]
:Porygon can be found in the wild, too. Same place as Castform, in fact! And let's not forget, Porygon ''can'' breed. Get a Ditto, put it in the daycare with Porygon or any of its evolutions. Pow. Egg.
:Anyway, I honestly don't know who marked Castform as artificial, though I initially thought it may have been created due to its home of the Weather Institute. Who freaking knows, anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

::Well yeah but almost anything can breed with ditto and besides castform can actually have genders and breed with other pokemon besies ditto. Also, who's t say that those porygon aren't imported to the trophy garden (the only actual place to find "wild" porygon)?

::Also porygon is JUST programming, nothing else and Mewtwo is basically just a pimped up version of Mew. Castform isn't from any template like programming or another pokemon, its a pokeon in its own right, therefore it should be marked as one and not artificial.--[[User:Wikid|Wikid]]
:::Well if you wanted to change it you're free to. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise, actually. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Teruteru bozu ==

Isn't Castform based on {{wp|teru teru bozu|this guy?}} --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 13:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:Seems very likely. Why not add it to the article? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Can this be made a bit clearer? ==

The article says that Castform will not transform in fog or a sandstorm. Does that mean it stays fire-form if it goes from sunny to sandstorm? If it changes to normal-form, it should say that. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Silhouette ==

The orange colored silhouette featured on the Platinum hand-out leaflet looks similar to Castform. It may in fact be either a fog or sandstorm form for Castform. Anyone else's thoughts? --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 17:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Those are all alternate forms of {{p|Rotom}}. The silhouettes are just another continuation of Game Freak's "Alternate Form" obsession they seem to have now. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

::Obsession or not, I really like the idea of alternate forms. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Spritebox ==

Shouldn't we change them so it shows all the forms (but not shiny of course) I made templates for it but they don't work. Here they are: [[Template:Sprite/4/4formes/1shiny]] and [[Template:Sprite/3/4formes/1shiny]]. Does any one else theink that this should be changed?--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 16:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:Of course they don't work. They aren't integrated into the main template. I'll get to work doing so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I had an idea for Pokémon with completly different types between their forms (like Castform and Wormadam). I copied my GenIII Castform Spritebox as an example and posted it in the sandbox. If an admin could take a look at it and give it the thumbs up/down then change the templates if necessary they could then remove it from the Sandbox.
P.S. the lines seperating the boxes could still be the primary type of the Normal form.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 22:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== About the whole Sun/Rain/Hail forme-thing ==

Currently, this article labeled it's forms as Sun/Rain/Hail.
However, according to the TCG, it's cards referred it's formes as: Sunny/Rain/Snow-cloud respectively.

Assuming that the TCG's the "official" thing (seeing as they did the same thing for the upcoming Rotom-formes cards), shouldn't we rename it's other formes, then? Just asking for some confirmation. [[User:InfinityByZero|InfinityByZero]] 23:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:Ithink it already said that but someone changed it. It was probably right before.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 04:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::The TCG's classifications were superseded by a guidebook. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Type ==

Isn't Castform a Normal-type? It says Normal-type in the first statement but it has Water marked as its type. It also has blue everywhere. Did it change types in Platinum? [[User:Shanegon34|shanegon34]] 22:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)Shanegon34
:Yeah, it's normal but the page is set up to show a type randomly. You ended up seeing the water one, but over time the Fire and Ice will show also. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
::It changes with the seasons: Spring's Water, Summer's Fire, Fall's Normal and Winter's Ice. It's mostly aesthetic anyways, most people know that Castform can change types and it says so in the article, the colours just make the article pretty anyways and I should hope people can figure out STAB for the four types. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|MisterE13}} ([[User talk:MisterE13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|contribs]]) ''
:::A ''WHOLE SEASON'' before it changes again??? That's '''3 MONTHS'''!!! That time has to be shortened to like a day, at most. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::::TTE likes all the changers to be different among the evolution families. I thought that seasons worked: There's the right number (4), like Castform, they are greatly associated with nature and each one has a "signature" weather condition associated with it which all fit with Castform (spring has rain, summer has sun, winter has snow and fall has no real weather (barring perhaps fog which keeps Castform Normal anyways)). Feel free to respond on my talk page, I've pretty much made it my personnal mission to perfect the display of all alternate forms on this site.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::I like them to be different, yes, but a whole year for the cycle?! That's just gonna confuse the hell out of people, especially since it's only in its base form in fall, and there's no note unlike what Arceus has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'd like to weigh in here. In my opinion, we should only have #switch changes when the Pokémon in question can maintain that form outside of battle. It makes logical sense to me, especially since these are the Pokémon that generally different movesets for each form. Because, really, the point of this was to not only show off fancy artwork and coding, but to identify the differences between the two (or more) forms. Nothing about Castform changes, except the picture and a few STABs. As MisterE13 said, people should be clever enough to figure out how that changes for every form it has. It really is confusing, especially since hardly anything changes, and it changes very rarely. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It's just the type colours and STAB that change. Not eve artwork. I'll soon whip up a notice for Pokémon with different forms anyways.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well if there's no artwork, why do we bother? There is nothing wrong with Castform being displayed as a normal type, like it is, say, in the party (unlike Arceus). — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It started being with show/hiding the type effectiveness. But then, I thought it might look better if, like Arceus, the effectiveness shown corresponded to the type. I'm about to make a notice template for them all. It will be great.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::I guess I wasn't the only person who thought this was a bad idea. That is way to long for a cycle. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Evobox ==

Colors should be fixed to match up with the rest of the page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just made some modifications yesterday. I just need to tell an admin so it can be changed. I also made one for Shaymin.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Italics indicate an evolution of this Pokémon ==

Water, Ice, and Fire-type attacks are listed in italics as getting stab for an evolution of this Pokémon. That's all fine and good, but Castform doesn't have an evolution. Or a pre evolution. At least, not at the time being.

Anyways, I understand that this is part of the template with all Pokémon, but is can't this be an exception? If not, can the italics be removed? I don't think it belongs here. {{unsigned|Skaiisdead}}
:Evo/prevo/alternate forms... They're all the same. I've made a note on the template. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Cheap? ==
Doesn't the SRE and the DPPt and the HGSS sprites for the other forms look a bit too similar? If so, shouldn't something like this be in the trivia section?

''"In Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heartgold, and Soulsilver, the weather sprites for Castform are just recolored sprites from Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald."''

--[[User:PKFL 531|PKFL 531]] 03:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:: They aren't even recolored (except for maybe the white), the only change is a smile added to the Hail form. [[User:R S E FR LG|R S E FR LG]] 18:03, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== Just an Idea ==

why don't we have something like we do on the arceus page, the rotom page, and a lot of other pages which has a "rotator", so different formes can be shown. Just an idea. If you tell me how i'll gladly help you do it. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 10:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:well? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Arcues and Rotom are different from Castform, as they can be kept in their form outside of battle, while Castform can only change during weather. So, no. --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Small issue with that. Cherrim gets a rotator, despite not keeping its form outside of battle --[[User:Shadowater|Icalasari]] 07:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I'll try and make one... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Where is the artwork for the other three Castform formes? (The same problem arises with Unown.) [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 19:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:There is none unfortunately.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::darn, oh well. at least not having a rotator makes sence then... [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 03:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why is the Shiny sprite from Emerald so small? {{unsigned|Flyingtypefan}}
:It's a server sync issue. It's displaying the properly sized image at the size of the cropped down image, making it appear smaller. It should fix itself given time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Switchy thing ==

We need one. No excuses. Can someone add one to the page? If no-one gets round to it I can do it, though I won't be able to start until 10:00pm. I've made one for this talk page, which can be added once the main page is done.

{{Forme info|351{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|1=S|2=R|3=H}}.png|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|[[Form differences#Castform|Castform's forms]]|Castform as though it were in either it's Normal, Sunny, Rainy or Snowy forms. However, this cannot be accurately reproduced here|the type-themed color displays, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, the anime image shown, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|hour}}

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
:The switches on this page were removed last year as Castform cannot hold its alternate forms outside of battle. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
::Darmanitan (which unlike Castform, does not have any alternate form artwork) and Cherrim have switches, even though they cannot keep their forms outside of battle. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I think Darmanitan can retain its alternate form outside of battle if its HP is still lower than 50%. If Cherrim has a switch function, however, then there's no reason why Castform shouldn't have one. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::::We do overdo the switches. Also, Darmanitan cannot hold its form outside of battle. This is more of a case of Cherrim and Darmanitan's switches being potentially removed than Castform's being added (kept). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Menu Sprite ==

Just below the sprit template, there is the ''For other sprites and images, please see Castform images on Bulbagarden Archives.'', however, only one of Castform's menu sprites is shown, unlike other Pokemon with form differences. Could someone add the rest? (I've tried, but I dont know how) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:16, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
:Well that's from when there was only one menusprite... And since the main sprite template is protected and is being remade it might just have to wait.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
::Does it have multiple menu sprites? Because it doesn't in Generation IV. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
:::HGSS's PokéDex Forme option added them. Same as Cherrim.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 11:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Skimmed the trivia and type charts. The main page doesn't seem to note that Sunny Castform will for most of the time not take 2× damage from Water attacks due to harsh sunlight, nor that Rainy Castform will for most of the time take less than ½× damage from Fire attacks due to heavy rain. This kind of note would be redundant for any pokemon that doesn't have Forecast, but Castform does have Forecast. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 08:54, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:True, but those do not change type matchups. If you use a Water-type attack on Castform while it's sunny, it will still say "it's super effective". The weather activates separately. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
::Of course, it's still super effective, which I imagine would still have an important effect under some circumstances. But the damage results are affected in a noteworthy way. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== Japanese Name Inaccuracies ==

The katakana and romaji of Castform's name are conflicting. While the katakana says "ポワルン", or, "Powa'''ru'''n", the translation says "Powa'''re'''n". Either the katakana or the romaji is incorrect. I don't know how his name is supposed to sound, so I can't say which. --[[User:Bjk55123|Bjk55123]] 02:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
:It could also be that they are both correct - we use the romanisations trademarked by Nintendo/TPC/Game Freak, which often don't exactly match the katakana. They were both the same as they are currently when the article was first created, so I can't tell from the history whether that is the case or not. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
::"Powa'''le'''n" (note the '''l''', not '''r''') is the correct faux romanization. This is similar to, say, Zor'''u'''a instead of ゾロア zor'''o'''a and this seemingly unsystematic style of transliteration is the Pokemon company's decision and cannot be argued. I do, however, have a question with its name origin. How does Powalen's name relate to 天気予報 (tenkiyohō) in any way? It doesn't, and if anything, it's related to ポワン (powan), a Japanese onomatopoeia that describes sudden transformation, similar to a "poof" in English. Thus I'm going to change it if no objections. HADAA 14:23, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

Is Castform the only Pokémon without a shiny sprite(s) programmed?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|^^I^ rides camels… | love 'em. ]] ''([[User talk:Mpcamel1729|T^LK]])'' 02:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:PkMnRPkMn "

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== Bottom blue/purple box ==

In the bottom, it says "Glitch Pokémon", however, PkMnRPkMn is a trainer, so it wouldn't be a pokemon...
[[User:Mpcamel1729|^^I^ rides camels… | love 'em. ]] ''([[User talk:Mpcamel1729|T^LK]])'' 02:36, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Veilstone City

2012-03-16T15:19:40Z

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===On the guy who speaks English in the Japanese version===

He speaks another language in the English version, which I'm not very sure of...

"Salut, Trainer!
Tu aimes les Pokémon?"

If 'Yes':
"Moi aussi!
C'est génial!"

If 'No':
"J'ai du mal à te croire...
Il n'y qu'à vous regarder!"

What is the language? {{unsigned|Jayc}}

this is french i believe--[[User:Pokemongirl1|PG1 FTW!]] 14:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It means:

"Hello Trainer!
Do you like Pokémon?"

If 'Yes':
"Me too!
That's great!"

If 'No':
"I don't believe you...
I could tell it on sight!"
Trivia?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 14:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Do you think that the article should mention which languages he speaks in other versions besides the Japanese and English versions? For example, I know that in the Spanish version, he speaks in English, just like in the Japanese version (see this Spanish thread here: [http://pkstation.com/foros/showthread.php?p=263174]). I wonder if anybody knows what languages he speaks in other language versions... [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 18:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== French ==

Why is there a french character in this city?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|^^I^ rides camels… | love 'em. ]] ''([[User talk:Mpcamel1729|T^LK]])'' 15:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Stantler (Pokémon)

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== Trick Room ==

The lovely reindeer can learn TM92 (Trick Room) but it isn't listed in its moves list :) --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 17:33, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

I thought the name came from ''stare'' and antler, since the antlers look like huge staring eyes. Does anyone agree or should we leave it as stag? [[User:Ok|Ok]] 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not an admin, so my opinion doesn't really give the authority to add it, but I like that a lot more than ''stomp'' and''antler'' as an idea for it's name origin. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 17:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== City of Deer ==

Does anyone else find it interesting how Stantler appears on route 36, which leads to Violet City - which is supposed to be the game counterpart of Nara, Japan, a city full of deer? {{unsigned|Eevee-Girl}}

== Name ==

Is is possible that it comes from Saint, abreviated as St.?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|^^I^ rides camels… | love 'em. ]] ''([[User talk:Mpcamel1729|T^LK]])'' 16:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Team Rocket's mechas

2012-03-12T01:58:01Z

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== 8000? ==
Wasn't this the 8000 page? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 12:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought so *throws confetti*  [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 13:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[[Rattata (Secret Wonders 103)|This was...]] [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 15:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops, *Picks up confetti* [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, the article count says that there's 8007 right now. Count down the newly created ones, and you'll see that this is the 8000. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::I was online the moment it said '7,998', and shortly I made two TCG articles, one on a Psyduck card, the other on a Rattata card. The Rattata card, was the 8000th article. I saw it happen.. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 21:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yea, but then a page became a redirect, making it 7999, then this page was made, the 8000. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Lol I felt bad anyway "making the 8000th article" anyway, since I know you wanted to. xD [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 22:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yes... It's all your fault. Look at what you did! [[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 22:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's okay. So should we [[Bulbapedia talk:About|notify here]] that this was the 8000 page? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 00:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::In my opinion, no. There were 8000 articles for 7.5 hours before this was created. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== DP063 ==

I think there is one in this episode, can anyone fill it in? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Incomplete ==
A lot... there's like only 25, when TR used millions of mechas... this seriously needs work to do --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 12:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, theres not even a single thing shown for all of AG series and I'm sure there had to be atleast one. --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 23:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

*cough*[[AG179]]*cough* [[Image:SlakingRobot.jpg]] [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Movie Mechas ==

I was watching The Rise of Darkrai today and noticed that Team rocket was in a carnivine balloon. Should this be added? –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 00:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:A Mecha is a Mecha is a Mecha -- go for it --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 10:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== DP157 ==

Kamex is Blastoise's Japanese name, because if so that's what Team Rocket called it, they called it "Kamex-kun" now I understand how it is with opinions and stuff, but that's what Team Rocket explicitly called it. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

==Titles==
Some say "Mach," while others say "Mark." Mark seems somewhat odd... Mach makes more sense... is this how it was dubbed or what? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== A LOT more mechas! ==
Why is the DP section so small. Team Rocket used a lot more mechas after [[An Elite Coverup]]. This must be updated! [[User:TheBlackPokemonMaster]]

== Sleight of Sand! ==

Isn't one of the machines used by Cassidy and Butch?
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Talk:Team Rocket's mechas

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Talk:Ninjask (Pokémon)

2012-02-26T13:34:02Z

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== Evobox ==

Despite the fact that I believe that we should put branched evos on every page of the family (including the corrosponding one), I was under the impression that here on Bulbapedia we don't put them there. However, when I tried to remove the mention of Shedinja on this page (since it really kind of is just a branched evo), it was reverted with the reason that "TTE wants it this way". Way is that anyways?{{unsigned|MisterE13}}
:You should ask him on his TP--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 04:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::I'd argue for inclusion, seeing as Shedinja is created when Nicada evolves to Ninjask. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::But Nincada becomes Ninjask and then Nincada's (not Ninjask's) shell becomes the Shedinja. Alhtough, I think I did read that if Nincada's moveset is changed during the evolution, Shedinja's will be too.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 05:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::::No, once the evolution is started/complete, the moves are set (Ninjask learns a few flying moves when it evolves, I believe, none of which can be learned by Shedinja).
::::The main reason to list Shedinja on this page is for consistency, I would say. It's still a part of the evolution chain, even if it's not directly involved with Ninjask itself. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 08:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::But the issue here is that we ''don't'' list other branches of the chain for any other family - see {{p|Slowking}} or {{p|Gallade}}. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 08:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Shedinja's here because Shedinja cannot exist without a Ninjask. Essentially it evolves OFF of Ninjask. It's complicated... I dunno. If a Ninjask gets a move upon evolution, and learns it, the Shedinja won't have it though? That's truly a case for having just Nincada → Ninjask... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
What about keeping it in Shedinja's but not Ninjask's? *edit* I think I've figured it all out. Moves learned through evolution are learned during the process (when they glow in the show) by the end of Nincada's evolution, it's learned the new moves and become the two Pokémon. Like TTE said, a Shedinja cannot exist without a Ninjask however, a Ninjask can exist without a Shedinja thus, I believe we should remove it from Ninjask`s but not Shedinja's page.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 21:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|なきごえを　きき　つづけると　ずつうが　おさまらなくなる。みえない　ほどの　はやさで　うごく。|Listening to its cry for an extended period of time cause headaches to worsen. It moves so fast it can't be seen.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

In gen. 3 and 4, the back sprite has Ninjask with its wings 'folded' down towards its back, but the front sprite has the wings upward, as if to fly.
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Talk:Ninjask (Pokémon)

2012-02-26T13:33:48Z

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Talk:Ash's Raticate

2012-01-16T04:11:28Z

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==Why?==

Okay, articles for Haunter and Larvitar, who are in more than one episode, I understand. I also understand "Ash's Beedrill", as it redirects to Casey's Bedrill. But why on earth does this Pokemon, who should be mentioned nearly wholy in Butterfree's article, get his own? Is it more signifigant than 'Max's Jirachi' or 'May's Manaphy'? Or how ab out 'Jessie's Charizard', another Pokemon that they own for less than an entire episode?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 16:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

::Because it was traded to Ash, and it was actually a Pokémon that belonged to him. '''May's Manaphy''' is now called '''Manaphy (anime)''', and '''Jessie's Charizard''' actually belonged to her, albeit for a short amount of time. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 21:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I just singled out Manaphy because it was the best example I could come up with. THEN I thought of Charizard. The thing about it is Jessie's Charizard '''DOES NOT HAVE IT'S OWN PAGE!''' I'm wondering what makes a Charizard that was owned for less an episode less signifigant than a Raticate that was owned for less than an episode. {{unsigned|PikamasterADV}}
::::Nothing, really. It's just that no one's made an article for Jessie's Charizard yet. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 23:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Then is someone gonna go make a '''Jirachi (anime)''' page as well? {{unsigned|PikamasterADV}}
::::No reason why they couldn't. The main reason why anyone doesn't would be the lack of motivation. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Offtopic, but that Unsigned thing is cool! I was worried that I might have had to come back and add my name to the end of those.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be at Gentleman's Raticate, with a redirect from Ash's Raticate? [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 17:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This Raticate is only significant because Ash owned it for a while. Naming conventions get a little complex with articles like this but a general rule of thumb is that Pokémon who transfer ownership from a main character to a minor character are placed under the main character's name. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hi Jump Kick?==

I don't know about the dub, but in the original Japanese version, the Gentlemen clearly says "Tobigeri" (Jump Kick) when Raticate does the move. Was this changed in the dub or should it be changed? Either way, it is worth noting that both are unable to be learned by Raticate. --[[User:Jda95|Jda95]] 03:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
: I watched the dub myself, and unless my hearing is crap, he definitely said "Hi Jump Kick". In any case, I'll make a note on the page of the Jump Kick thing. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok.. ==

For the old post's examples listed above, this should NOT have it's own article. This Raticate isn't even a major recurring Pokémon at all, and other than the fact Ash temporarily had it, it shouldn't just have it's own article like this. No other Pokémon similar to this Raticate get their own article either, so why is Raticate so very different from the rest? Other one time Pokémon get articles because they're movie characters, so that really can't be an excuse for Raticate to get it's own article either. It just doesn't make too much sense at all.... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:Ash still owned it, however briefly. And it was pretty much what started up the plot for the following episode: when Ash traded back, he dropped Butterfree's Pokeball and had to chase it, preventing him from escaping the ship. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, BRIEFLY. Same thing about Larvitar as well, but Larvitar on the other hand deserves it's article because it appears in more than 1 episode. Unlike Larvitar, Raticate stays in this single episode the entire series. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:::[[Bulbapedia:Notability requirements/Anime Pokémon|Point 1, second sentence]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Name ==
All other Pokemon who have been traded have taken up the name on the wiki as "<Current Trainer's> Pokemon". Why doesn't this follow the same pattern and be "Gentleman's Raticate"? ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:10, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
:That's not necessarily true. When the character who currently owns the Pokémon is so unimportant, it will go to the main character. Otherwise it would be [[Brock's Vulpix|Suzy's Vulpix]] and [[Jessie's Lickitung|Benny's Lickitung]]. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
::Then I feel that they should be moved. After looking at the [[Jump Kick (move)]] page, it says "A Gentleman's Raticate" while linking to "Ash's Raticate". I feel that all three pages should be moved. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 15:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think so, people don't generally look up "Benny's Lickitung" or simmilar. I think it's fine where it is. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

== List ==

"Raticate is the only one in the list above not captured in a contest." It's not a list. It should be something like
"Raticate is the only one of the three not captured in a contest."
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Talk:Dotted Hole

2012-01-16T03:59:15Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Intro */

If I remember correctly, there is a guy standing in front of the entrance (Gideon, I believe). How do you get him away from the entrance so you can use cut?
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Talk:Dotted Hole

2012-01-16T03:59:00Z

Mpcamel1729: Created page with "If I remember correctly, there is a guy standing in front of the entrance (Gideon, I believe). How do you get him away from the entrance so you can use cut?"

If I remember correctly, there is a guy standing in front of the entrance (Gideon, I believe). How do you get him away from the entrance so you can use cut?

User:Mpcamel1729

2012-01-08T16:23:51Z

Mpcamel1729:

Hello. I am 13 years old.

I am obsessed with camels, the numbers 1729, 17, 11, and have attended MathPath 2010. That explains the name.

I am a user of Scratch. fmasroor

Have to go now. bye.

Wait. I'm back. My faves:
Zekrom
Meganium
Lapras
Mismagius
Scrafty
Chandelure
Zoroark
Kyurem
Charizard
Mewtwo
Lugia
Suicune
Shaymin (both, more of the Land Forme)
Magmortar
Electivire
Electabuzz
Magby
Cacturne
Bisharp
Carracosta
Serperior
Minccinno

I am trying to find an episode which aired a few years ago on some channel in Tenafly, NJ. All I remember about that episode is that the gang (not sure who was traveling with Ash) saw through the opponent's Pokémon's eyes... Something about a garden, I think. It might have been a movie. Please tell me the name of the episode/movie. Thank you so much.
My 5 year old brother it turning 6 on Friday, December 16!!
Eat your heart out, Schroeder.
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 00:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Celebrated my younger brother's birthday by going to Rainforest Café. He got one of those jiggly things that slip out of your hand whenever you squeeze it. I remember one of those from somewhere around 2004-2006 with a Marill on it... Any chance of someone uploading it on the archives?
Thank you so much.
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 14:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: 1/8/12
Today is a very important day.
That's right. Its...

THE 1 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 1/8/11! LET THE CELEBRATIONS BEGIN!

It's also...

THE 2 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 1/8/10! LET THE CELEBRATIONS CONTINUE!

Lastly...

THE 3 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 1/8/09! LET THE CELEBRATIONS END!

Hope you enjoyed our party!
Come back tomorrow to celebrate the anniversary of 1/9/11!
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 16:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

User:Mpcamel1729

2012-01-08T16:23:14Z

Mpcamel1729:

Hello. I am 13 years old.

I am obsessed with camels, the numbers 1729, 17, 11, and have attended MathPath 2010. That explains the name.

I am a user of Scratch. fmasroor

Have to go now. bye.

Wait. I'm back. My faves:
Zekrom
Meganium
Lapras
Mismagius
Scrafty
Chandelure
Zoroark
Kyurem
Charizard
Mewtwo
Lugia
Suicune
Shaymin (both, more of the Land Forme)
Magmortar
Electivire
Electabuzz
Magby
Cacturne
Bisharp
Carracosta
Serperior
Minccinno

I am trying to find an episode which aired a few years ago on some channel in Tenafly, NJ. All I remember about that episode is that the gang (not sure who was traveling with Ash) saw through the opponent's Pokémon's eyes... Something about a garden, I think. It might have been a movie. Please tell me the name of the episode/movie. Thank you so much.
My 5 year old brother it turning 6 on Friday, December 16!!
Eat your heart out, Schroeder.
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 00:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Celebrated my younger brother's birthday by going to Rainforest Café. He got one of those jiggly things that slip out of your hand whenever you squeeze it. I remember one of those from somewhere around 2004-2006 with a Marill on it... Any chance of someone uploading it on the archives?
Thank you so much.
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 14:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: 1/8/12
Today is a very important day.
That's right. Its...
THE 1 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 1/8/11! LET THE CELEBRATIONS BEGIN!
It's also...
THE 2 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 1/8/10! LET THE CELEBRATIONS CONTINUE!
Lastly...
THE 3 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 1/8/09! LET THE CELEBRATIONS END!

Hope you enjoyed our party!
Come back tomorrow to celebrate the anniversary of 1/9/11!
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 16:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-01-08T03:23:17Z

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==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::I put the same question at the bottom, and no reply. Does seem a good idea. I might just add it in if my self if thats okay, ecause we're probabky the only two that will do it. If anyone has any objections, please tell us or any admins give us all clear. Mabye i should re-route this a project leader?
::Don't use the below thing that I wrote, use this. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the percentage. Before the article claimed a .00012207% chance (approximately) of finding a shiny Pokemon. However, .0012207 is equal to 8/65536. To find the percentage, you have to first multiply by 100, giving approximately .012207% chance. [[User:Paranoid Trainer|Paranoid Trainer]] 17:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?
: Generation II and onward, yes. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

:XD Shadow Pokemon can not be shiny, as OmegaDonut and I have found out. [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860407&postcount=793] --[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 20:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::Okay then, only Colo ones can (which was known beforehand; there is [[List of glitches in Generation III#Shiny Shadow Pokémon glitch|a glitch]] relating to them). Thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:::To top it off, I am able to explain why the Colo glitch happens. I'll edit that page later tonight with the correct explanation.--[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 20:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Kaphotics, how did you and OmegaDonut figure that out.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::We used emulators and our knowledge of the RNG's of the other Generations. With a lot of time, we were able to find the numbers that were used out of the stream of seeds the game goes through. XD was very fast at seed consumption (9600 seeds per second!) so the pattern was hard to find at first. I've updated the page with the correct information on why the glitch occurs, and substantiated between games. If you read more of the other posts in the thread over at Smogon you'll see how we did it :) --[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 00:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, I understand now. I'm glad I found this out before I played through XD again to get a Shiny Lugia. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:I think that's a great idea, actually. Why doesn't someone get on this? [[User:Battlebot218|Battlebot218]] 18:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::We're currently in the process of uploading all the regular and shiny boxsprites and menusprites for both Colosseum and XD, so it can be revisited once they are all uploaded. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
: How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf ]] 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the ''treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link)'' box in your preferences ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden power ==
I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

== Statistical probability ==

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not [[Pseudo-random number generation in Pokémon|GF's one]]) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny {{tt|stabilizes|coverges/tends}} to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Pokedex note ==

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: ''"In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny."'' This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, ''by default'', the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:
1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!
I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and V ==

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of '''legit''' Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have{{tt|*|Without counting the Red Gyarados}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is ''not'' native for Unova ([[Sandslash (Pokémon)|it's evolution]] ''is''), so we need other example. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::: we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

OR goto Relic Castle and encounter a Sandslash... It would be...
CLOSE
ENOUGH. (hope you get the reference ^-^) [[User:Dry Bones|DB]] 18:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny physiology section? ==

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable Shinies ==

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:To be honest, I don't think it is nessisary to do this. However, since it is a wiki, you can add the section yourself. If you mess up, an admin will probably take care of it. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
**I can put asterisks on Pokemon that are not obtainable, and make a legend. Are the unobtainables the following: Celebi, Jirachi, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Reshiram, and Zekrom? Also Pichu (Spiky Eared).

Unknown for Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 04:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I can take care of it, I have an idea of how I want it to make it easy to understand. I'll get it up sometime this week. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 05:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Those last three aren't even available at all yet, so no they cannot be obtained Shiny yet, but they cannot be obtained non-Shiny either. It is impossible to tell if they will be made available Shiny yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::OK, I added the section and I think I got them all. If I didn't then someone can fix it. If you do fix it, tell me about it here because I would like to know which one I forgot because I wouldn't want to be going after it with no chance of getting it.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::In Japan, if you got the Old Sea Chart in Emerald you could get a Shiny Mew that way. And you could get a Shiny Celebi off of the Japanese Colosseum Bonus Disk. You could then transfer them through Pal Park and trade them to an english game, so someone help me decide if Mew and Celebi should be listed under Gen IV and V and what the * should say if we do list them. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 16:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::To answer SnorlaxMonster, yes, I specifically put unknown for those 3 because they aren't available yet. Who knows if they are given in their Shiny Forms.

Anyways, Jirachi and Celebi, to my knowledge, are available via Colosseum. They don't have the Shiny Check. [[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::::Does anyone know if the Mew from My Pokémon Ranch has a shiny check? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 22:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I looked at said article,and no. Its a trade from Haley. Therefore, no.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 22:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::: To PKMNchmp5 - If Celebi is listed under Gen IV/V Mew should be also as it's in the same boat as Celebi (only available from a third gen Japanese game). Though if it's true what someone said about Hayley mew being able to be shiny then that changes things. What would be really good to have here is an explanation of what event pokemon can/can't be shiny and why, as there's a lot of confusion on the internet about this. For example it should include answers to questions like: Can Colosseum bonus disk pokemon be shiny? What tickets have been released in what regions? Can ranch pokemon be shiny? Can 2nd/3rd/4th gen distributions be shiny?

:::::: Anyone agree? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 01:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well, if you can get a Shiny Mew and Celebi in Generation III, even if it's only in a Japanese game, you can trade it to a non-Japanese game in all games from Gen III onwards, so those don't need a note. I don't think Haley's Pokémon can be Shiny, and Shininess is visible in Ranch. For all Pokémon event distributions from Generation III onwards, a Pokémon is either always Shiny or never Shiny - it cannot randomly be either. In Generation II, where Shininess is based on IVs, I have heard that people found that each machine had a different set of IVs, meaning that they are preset. While it would be possible for a machine to distribute a Pokémon that is Shiny, I assume that they would ensure the machines do not distribute Shiny Pokémon. However, while Generation I used the same distribution method with each machine having set IVs, Shininess did not exist so it is possible that they could have unknowingly distributed future Shiny Pokémon. If anyone did get a [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in Generation I|Gen I event]] that turned out Shiny, please let us know. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==Is shiny Mew unobtainable in Gen II?==
Couldn't you get a legit Mew from a Gen I event that just so happened to pass the shiny checks and so appears shiny when transferred to a Gen II game? I doubt they would have had shiny checks on the Mews given out back then seeing as shiny pokemon didn't exist yet. I know that chances of this happening are extremely low but I don't think it zero. I'm not sure how many Mews in Gen I were given away but surely this happened at least once somewhere around the world. Probably by some kid who never realised he owned the rarest pokemon of that generation [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 00:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure the Time Machine worked more like a trade. Besides, shininess is determined when a Pokémon is generated and a Pokémon transfered through Pal Park or the Poké Transfer don't change their shiny status so I don't think that Mew could change from normal to Shiny. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::In Generation II, Shininess is determined by {{IV}}s, so it is theoretically possible to obtain a Mew with the correct IVs randomly, and then trade it to Generation II only for it to be Shiny on its end. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Sentret Chance ==
I'm beginning to wonder if Sentret has an increased chance of being shiny in the wild. The only shiny pokemon I ever encountered in the wild (except red Gyarados) was Sentret. In Diamond I encountered it once and in Soulsilver I encountered it twice. It might just be a coincidence. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Definately just a coincidence. The only way to increase the chances of a shiny appearing is the Masuda Method and the Poké Radar. Under normal circumstances they are all 1/8192. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Emerald status screen - no star ==

Just caught my first wild shiny, a nincada. Not the best but hey?! :) when checking its shiny status it had a gold number but no star. Also the picture background was white as opposed to the normal stripy grey. Am i being really idiotic or should the article be updated? [[User:Rhadlow27|Rhadlow27]] 01:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
:Just checked this. Shiny Pokémon in Emerald do not have a star. And yes, the background is a brighter color. I will modify the article to say these things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny event-only Pokémon ==

I added this new section to inform people of how to catch the event-only Pokémon shiny, in a legit way. If anyone can improve it go ahead. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 18:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== In XD ==

Now, the game recalculates to make sure Shadow Pokémon aren't shiny, but what about at the Poké Spots? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860407&postcount=793 this], no Pokémon caught in XD can be Shiny. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
::OmegaDonut states further down the page in response to my asking that they haven't tested Poké Spots yet, and have no intention of doing so unless they were "really, really bored". So we may have to wait a while for an answer on that one. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
:::There's unposted research regarding this, the PID is generated when the Spot Monitor goes off. It generates the PID entirely at this moment, but neither of us cared enough to research it further (We were only interested in the "unique" PID/IV creation). Since SmogonWiFi banned "RAM Hacked" Pokemon, all interest in XD/Colo abuse vanished. Thus the GC games are no longer of interest to us, "the mythbusters" [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Ranch Mew ==

The [[My Pokémon Ranch ]] page says this: "All of these Pokémon will have the OT Hayley (English) or ユカリ (Japanese) and the Trainer ID number 01000. Note that all of the Pokémon with specific natures cannot have a different nature, gender, and ability and they cannot be shiny." But this page says Ranch Mew can be shiny, which is correct?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 20:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:The Mew doesn't have a specific nature, neither does the Phione. So there's no contradictory information. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::ah ok I misread. It seems odd that there isn't a shiny check on the Mew and Phione, has this been confirmed? {{unsigned|Jmvb}}
:::The line you quoted says that "specific nature" Pokemon cannot be shiny, which is true. A specific nature Pokemon has a static PID, which is pre-defined by the game's coding. The nature locked Pokemon cannot be shiny, and are in a sense like the nature locked Wondercards of Gen 4. {{unsigned|Kaphotics}}

== Arceus ==

Does Arceus even have any Shiny sprite or just its forms depending on the plate?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 03:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[File:Spr 5b 493 s.png|left]] Yup. Shiny Arceus has a yellow body. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Does Arceus even have any Shiny sprite or just its forms depending on the plate?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 03:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-01-08T03:12:45Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Arceus */ new section

Talk:Ferrothorn (Pokémon)

2012-01-08T02:50:21Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Jp. Name spelling */ new section

== Another possible origin for "rei" in Japanese name ==

鈴 means "Bell", can be read as either "suzu" or "rei" depending on context, with "rei" seemingly being preferred in cases where it comes at the end (for instance, "yorei", meaning "first bell"). It seems to me that "bell" is closer to appropriate in this case than "king" or "splendour". [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

== Jp. Name spelling ==

Isn't it written 'Nattorei', not Nutrey?

Talk:Shelmet (Pokémon)

2011-12-18T14:21:50Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Armor */ new section

Could it be possible that Chobomaki and Kaburumo are based on the Western stories of "A Knight's Tale" from Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales" and possibly the Prince and the Pauper? Both tales are involve individuals from the medieval era who switch roles; This make more sense with "The Knight's Tale" in that a peasant dons the armor of a knight in order to join a jousting tournament, which seems similar to how Kaburumo takes up Chobomaki's "armor" and becomes the calvary pokemon Shubarugo. Any thoughts on if this seems relevant? --[[User:Oleandervine|Oleandervine]] 01:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:Not really since the armor was stolen....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Armor ==

Are we sure that Shelmet gives its armor to Karrablast and then it (K) evolves into Escavalier and not just becoming vestigial?
Basically, do we know if Shelmet is giving its armor or just 'hiding' it?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 14:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Mpcamel1729

2011-12-18T14:14:51Z

Mpcamel1729:

EP066

2011-12-17T02:21:29Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Errors */

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'''The Evolution Solution''' (Japanese: '''ヤドンがヤドランになるとき''' ''When {{tt|Yadon|Slowpoke}} Becomes {{tt|Yadoran|Slowbro}}'') is the 66th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on October 15, 1998 and in the United States on October 2, 1999.
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==Synopsis==
[[Delia Ketchum|Ash’s mom]] and friends are going to go to the [[Seafoam Islands]]. {{an|Misty}} and {{an|Brock}} are going to go surfing. {{Ash}} goes to {{an|Professor Oak}}’s lab to discover that Oak is trying to find out why {{p|Slowpoke}} [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Slowbro}}. Professor Oak suggests that Ash go to the Seafoam Islands to meet [[Professor Westwood]], the original creator of the [[Pokédex]] who would know the answer.

Happy to have an excuse to go to the beach, Ash and {{AP|Pikachu}} head to the Seafoam Islands. Ash arrives and surprises Brock and Misty, who are riding on sailboards. They walk to Westwood’s lab and discover that he is actually the fifth of many Westwoods, and insists on being called that. He happens to also be trying to figure out the mystery of Slowpoke and {{p|Shellder}}. Westwood goes outside to fish, trying to understand Slowpoke. Ash and his friends examine Slowpoke sitting next to them. {{TP|Misty|Psyduck}} comes out of its [[Poké Ball]] and talks to the Slowpoke. After what seems to be some random, unintelligent conversation, a {{p|Krabby}} comes out the the water. It first grabs onto Slowpoke's tail, and then Psyduck's, leaving it in great pain jumping up and down. The team decides to go have some lunch for a break.

Meanwhile, {{an|Giovanni|Team Rocket's Boss}} is taking a vacation on the beach and making [[Jessie]] and [[James]] dig for clams. Upset that they cannot take a break, James digs up a Shellder and decides to try to capture it. James calls out {{TP|James|Weezing}} and defeats the Shellder with {{m|Haze}}, but Jessie steps up to capture it. They go to the boss, but he is annoyed with them as usual. He orders them to steal all the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} from Westwood's lab. The {{TRT}} members arrive in a parasail and startle everyone, especially Professor Westwood, who tries to escape. They find that the only Pokémon Professor Westwood has is a Slowpoke. Westwood tries to run away with his Slowpoke, but Team Rocket catches up and sends out the Shellder to make it evolve into Slowbro. They have a hard time with it, and it accidentally {{m|Clamp|clamps}} onto Psyduck’s tail instead. Jessie gets mad and throws the Shellder again, but it clamps onto Psyduck's head this time, giving it a major headache.

Psyduck, now much more powerful because of its headache, uses {{m|Disable}} to stop everyone and causes Team Rocket to fly off into the distance with {{m|Confusion}}. As Slowpoke walks toward Psyduck to say thanks, it trips and Shellder clamps onto its tail, evolving it. Team Rocket runs back to grab Slowbro, but it uses {{m|Mega Punch}}, causing Team Rocket to blast off again. Westwood figures out why Slowpoke evolves, which is because both Pokémon benefit: Shellder balances Slowpoke so it can use Mega Punch, and Shellder gains land transportation on Slowpoke’s tail. The episode ends as Psyduck goes to say goodbye to Slowbro, though it only looks like meaningless conversation.

==Major events==
* [[James's Weezing]] is revealed to know {{m|Haze}}.
* [[Jessie]] catches a {{DL|List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket|Shellder}}, but it merges with a {{p|Slowpoke}} and evolves into a {{p|Slowbro}} and leaves her.
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===Debuts===

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* {{an|Professor Oak}}
* [[Delia Ketchum]]
* [[Professor Westwood V]]
* {{an|Giovanni}}
===Pokémon===
[[File:Dare da EP066.png|200px|thumb|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Raichu}} ''(US and international)'', {{p|Slowbro}} ''(Japan)''

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Psyduck}} ({{OP|Misty|Psyduck}})
* {{p|Shellder}} ({{OP|Jessie|Shellder}}; new; evolves with Slowpoke; leaves)
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})
* {{p|Persian}} ({{OP|Giovanni|Persian}})
* {{p|Mr. Mime}} (Delia's, [[Mimey]])
* {{p|Slowpoke}} ([[Professor Westwood V]]'s; evolves)
* {{p|Slowbro}} ([[Professor Westwood V]]'s; newly evolved)
* {{p|Krabby}}
* {{p|Magikarp}}

==Trivia==
* [[Professor Oak's lecture]]: 
** Pokémon senryū summary: I want to see, an {{p|Alakazam}} using a fork.
* Part of {{an|Professor Oak|Professor Oak's}} [[Professor Oak's lecture|Pokémon lecture]] for this episode was used in the dub as part of the introduction to the VHS of ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''.
* Giovanni references the time that {{an|Mewtwo}} destroyed the Team Rocket Base.
* The book [[Prepare for Trouble]] is based on this episode.
* Meowth may be imitating {{wp|Moe Howard}} from {{wp|The Three Stooges}} after Shellder appears and sticks out its tongue: "Oh, you're a wise guy, huh?"
** If this is correct, this is the second time the {{pkmn|anime}} has made an allusion to the Stooges; the first time was in ''[[EP033|The Flame Pokémon-athon!]]''.
* Music from ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'' and ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]'' is played in the episode. However, the BGM is replaced in the [[dub]].

===Errors===
* In the beginning of the scene where Giovanni is yelling at Jessie and James, he is barefoot. He is shown later in that same scene with blue sandals on.
* Meowth calls Shellder a "crummy crustacean". This was probably done for effect, as to make an alliteration; Shellder is the "Bivalve Pokémon," and therefore a mollusk if applying real world taxonomy.
* Shellder was [[Fainting|knocked out]] by [[James's Weezing]]'s {{m|Haze}} attack. In the games, Haze does no damage and therefore couldn't replicate this effect.
* When Slowbro uses {{m|Amnesia}}, Ash and co. are stunned and Brock says "That's supposed to make its opponents forget!" This is not actually true, as Amnesia affects the user only in the games as well.
* Professor Westwood V says Shellder clamps onto Slowbro's tail, when it actually clamps onto Slowpoke's tail and then evolves into Slowbro.

===Dub edits===

==In other languages==
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Talk:EP035

2011-12-17T02:19:20Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Dub */

== Brazil ==
This episode continue to air in my homecountry, Brazil, and our dub is based on the 4Kids [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 24 September 2007, 21:34

== Swearing ==
Umm... I don't think that there is swearing on here. I mean, a very good translator watched the raw of the episode and said that there wasn't any swearing in that episode at all, and the "Swears" in the subtitles were actually added in by the subbers.

[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:If you are indeed right, which I think you are we should remove that line. Besides cursing wouldn't be a good reason enough to ban the episode, the word hell or damn hardly offend anyone. Well, few I mean. And besides, PG animation wouldn't have any curse words anyway.
::If you wanna remove that line I say go for it. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 13:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::It was banned because of the guns, there is no bad words in it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 13:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Was the episode really absolutely banned? ==

Based on the evidence that between EP034 and EP036, there was a Pokémon episode that aired in the state of Texas on UPN on Friday, 23 October 1998, I believe that 4Kids got away with the ban on EP035 and EP035 aired on KTXH. The reason is that EP034 played the Thursday PokéRap (starting with Articuno) and EP036 played the Monday PokéRap (starting with Electrode).-[[User:Mathexpressions|Mathexpressions]] 03:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Um yeah, it was pretty much banned. The episode that was aired was [[EP036|The Bridge Bike Gang]]. If you're going by the American numbers, that would be episode 35 in America but 36 in Japan. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::Now hold on a minute, there's something fishy about this. When I viewed the official sneak peek about Pokémon in the United States on YouTube, it specifically said that [[EP001]] would air on 7 September 1998, not 8 September. When the stations aired this sneak peek, they would air all the first 43 episodes of Pokémon, with [[EP038]] being skipped. I know because I have a video tape of 7 episodes of Pokémon, and I know the endings. I think the stations here were those of New York City, NY.-[[User:Mathexpressions|Mathexpressions]] 14:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== This episode was not officially banned by 4Kids ==

This episode is now banned from all stations across the world except Japan, China, and South Korea, right? But at the time it was first aired, some US stations got away with airing the episode. And according to the posts of other people, this episode was aired in other languages anyway, with the gun scenes cut out (or not). KTXH aired the episode.--[[User:Mathexpressions|Mathexpressions]] 10:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:The word "banned" does not appear at any point in this article. I seriously doubt that even some US stations got to air it because it simply wasn't among the episodes provided by 4Kids in the first place. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::How do you know? In the US, "The Bridge Bike Gang" (the 36th episode) aired on Monday, not Friday, and that's why it played the Monday PokéRap. So if EP035 did not air on Friday, then which episode did? Hint: It's not EP036, and it aired on 23 October 1998. The air dates for the Pokémon episodes are obviously mistaken. I don't think they did that on purpose though. PS: 4Kids had to buy the tape for EP035 or else they could not make the PokéRap.--[[User:Mathexpressions|Mathexpressions]] 17:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== More on the ban ==

Unlike [[EP038|Dennō Senshi Porygon]], this episode was not officially banned by the US government. And the [[A Sneak Peek at Pokémon|sneak peek of Pokémon]] specifically said that [[EP001]] would air on September 7, not [[EP015]]. It did not say "sneak peek EPISODE of Pokémon". That's why some TV stations in the world got away with airing the episode. More information later. By the way, what was the original planned schedule for Pokémon in Japan?--[[User:Hitmonlee|Hitmonlee]] 01:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's not part of my DVD Box Set, explain that please. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 01:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

== Why is a gun so bad ==

It seems kinda hypocritical to ban this episode because of a gun. The previous episode had Jenny point a gun directly at the three in the beginning scene, and in the squirtle squad episode a large group of people all pointed guns at Ash. All of this was left intact in the English version, so it doesn't make sense to skip this episode for that reason.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 05:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:Those episode only had one minor scene where people pointed a gun at Ash. This guy did it repeatedly through out the episode and Team Rocket pointed a gun at the guy at one point. Also there was dynamite.
:But I do agree. It is pretty stupid for this to be banned when all of those cartoons from the olden times, except Disney cartoons, involved blowing one character's face off with a gun. Also, they still show the Tom and Jerry cartoons where Tom gets blown up, chopped into pieces, or shot, yet pointing a gun in an anime is bad and shouldn't be for children. Whatever... I don't understand American standards half the time. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Hey, I've got a question ==

Is it OK if I try to write an episode guide for this episode? [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 07:45, December 8, 2008 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't it be okay? Feel free to edit and add however you want! ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== The Ban... not in Australia! ==

I live in Australia, and I'm sure I've seen this episode in English. Absolutely sure. I'll check soon to see if I have the ep on VHS... [[User:Joshy206|Joshy206]] 12:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
: I live in Australia too, And there is no way there is a dub version, $kids never dubbed this episode.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 12:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== It was dubbed. ==

According to various credible sources, including Serebii, three 4Kids VAs, Veronica Taylor (Ash), Rachael Lillis (Misty), and Maddie Blaustein (Meowth), all confirmed that this episode was indeed dubbed by 4Kids and is probably still locked away somewhere. Blaustein also confirmed that Electric Soldier Porygon was edited and dubbed, although there is no other confirmation.
[[User:Mattrd08|Mattrd08]] 20:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it says that at the bottom of the page, under "Dub edits". '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 20:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ash's Tauros ==

I was wondering, how do we know that it was 30 Ash caught? The video I watched didn't say the number (at least the translation didn't include it). We see three Tauros being caught, and at the end we see the whole herd in Oak's lab. When was it made known that Ash has 30? [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 17:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Guns in other episodes! ==

I seem to remember there being guns in an episode that had Officer Jenny training some Growlithe, with gun fire and everything! And also the fact that Team Rocket used bombs in an episode aswell doesn't exactly help to the factor. So why were these episodes not banned aswell?{{unsigned|MetagrossOwner}}

:I started rewatching Pokemon yesterday from episode 1, and I noticed that too. like in the Squirtle Squad episode Ash gets four or five guns pointed at him in the store. The simple answer is because the people in charge of airing the episodes are incredibly stupid and don't realize how hypocritical they're being. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 23:08, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep ive seen these episodes i saw the seen with guns were team rocket were with the guy and no one got hurt and in some epidoes pokemon get trapped in electric cages and trying to escapes put them through pain! And guns are in other episodes and just becuase in this episode they apere more than once and people make a big deal and like i said no one gets hurt!{{unsigned|Pikachuandmew}}

== Dubbed Copies Were Created And Still Exist? ==

"Although an English dubbed version of this episode has never aired, dubbed copies were created and still exist."
First of all, I've been looking for these so-called "dubbed copies' for 3 years and I have yet to come across one. The only close thing I've found pertaining to this is CAAT's fandub, called "Safari, So Good". But this is also nowhere to be found.

Second, you could easily say the same for "Electric Soldier Porygon" or "The Ice Cave", since these are also banned.

And thirdly, suggesting there are dubbed copies existing is basically advertising illegal material, since 4Kids themselves didn't dub this.

So unless there's a MAJOR reason for it being there (which I highly doubt) I'll take liberty in removing it since I just gave 3 reasons why it shouldn't be there.
{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}

== Dub ==

When they say that the 4Kids was banned, does that mean that there are other dubs which aren't banned?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 02:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:EP035

2011-12-17T02:19:13Z

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Talk:Acid rain

2011-12-17T02:03:58Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Explanation */

This explanation seems to be very inaccurate. There's a video on how to ACTUALLY do it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aN2xKY82Sc This page should becompletely redone.[[User:Dialga123176|Dialga123176]] 04:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer battles ==

Can this occur in-game? I only saw it via YouTube about Wi-Fi ones. Also, there seems to be two versions: Rain + Sandstorm (buffeted by Sandstorm) or all four weather conditions (hurt by its <insert ability here>). The first one is activated via {{a|Sand Veil}}, while the other is via {{a|Snow Warning}}. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 00:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:I don't doubt it. Some Trainers switch Pokémon. Some Trainers use Pursuit. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to set up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Ok. Now that that's answered...how about part two? There are two versions. This is notable. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Happened to me in Battle Tower, see the next section - did not have Sand Veil, by the way. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 21:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Possible immunities ==
In a test of this glitch, Mamoswine was completely unaffected by the damage from the glitch. The glitch still affected other Pokémon on the field like normal. It seems that not being affected might be keyed off of immunity to {{m|Sandstorm}} and {{m|Hail}}. I hope to test this at some point with {{m|Skill Swap}} and {{a|Sand Veil}}. [[User:Surfingpika|Surfingpika]] 07:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

:Was just plying in the Battle Tower today and had Tyranitar as my lead. Used Pursuit on a switching Pokemon, and the weather changed to Rain + Sandstorm (buffeted by Sandstorm twice). However, my Tyranitar was unharmed. The other trainer did not have a sandstorm immune Pokemon so I don't know if Sand Stream is another ability or if all Sandstorm-immune Pokemon are immune to this glitch. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 21:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::Just caught this glitch (Rain and Sandstorm), my Lunatone was immune to it, while opponent's Roserade was not. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 17:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza? ==

Would rayquaza be immune to its effects by [[Air Lock]]?--[[User:F1restar|F1restar]] 12:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:That's a good question. We don't know if Psyduck and Golduck with {{a|Cloud Nine}} are affected either. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

== Removing Acid Rain ==
Well, just now I saw Hippowdon with {{a|Sand Stream}} replaced Acid Rain with Sandstorm. {{unsigned|ЫъГЬ}}

== This needs a video ==

Just saying. Someone wanna help with that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:We used to have some, but after we removed {{tt|all|or at least most, I haven't checked}} YouTube Links, we haven't had one for a while. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::Argh, just yesterday I could provide one... Still we can set up it. I can help with battle (have a Lunatone, who caused the Rain twice already) and with video.--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:::We had two videos, which I just found in the page's history:
:::*One of them had Castform, but it got taken down.
:::*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10cxNmIxWkk The weather today will be boiling hot frozen rain with sand mixed in.] '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::::>Castform {{yt|faH5LvyPwbA|This one}}?
::::Maybe it will be better to create new video? With researching of the aforementioned issues and with Castform. With flashcard I can make high quality videos, like {{yt|uaEKLEKGQbs|this one}}.--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 13:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, this one had the whole battle, not just Castform transforming. And it might be better to make a new video... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::I can assist with this - I've got a Dusknoir with Gravity. We wanna show that not ''just'' weather does this. And if we wanna make a battle video, we can't show Castform/Cherrim. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I have a Lunatone with Trick Room and Absol with Pursuit and Swords Dance. Maybe we should also test and cover in the video all the effects of Acid Rain? Like possible immunities, I can bring Mamoswine, or something immune to only one condition. Another thing, I think should be investigated is possible removing of Acid Rain with normal weather condition due to Weather abilities (Sand Stream, Drought...) or probably moves like Sunny Day. Here I also can provide Hippowdon, Tyranitar, Groudon, or something with Sunny Day.--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 11:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I happen to have made a video of the Acid Rain glitch with Trick Room (all weather conditions activated) AND Castform transforming. It's {{yt|4Qvmz_dmbjg|right here}} if you are interested. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 16:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== Explanation ==

Any possible explanation as to what's happening in the DS? Memory block thing?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 02:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Acid rain

2011-12-17T02:03:49Z

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Talk:Ancient Mew (The Power of One promo)

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== Translation ==

It serves no earthly purpose, but I've been able to translate some of this card. If the entire card can be translated, I will add the translation to the article. Maybe this had been translated before; but if so, why isn't that translation in the article? Here goes:
*M, E, and W are all easily identifiable from the card's name.
*A, K, N, and S are all identifiable from Weakness (WE---E--, but it's clearly Weakness), on the left.
*P, C, and I are all identifiable because the text below the attack name is NEW S-E--ES... New Species. C is ', meaning the attack name has six letters... PS-C-E... Psyche?
*R and T are identifiable from Resistance (-ESIS-ANCE, but it's obvious anyway), on the left.
*O is identifiable from RETREAT C-ST (Retreat Cost), near the bottom. This also confirms almost all the other symbols I've translated.
*The symbols used for HP do not appear to correspond with the other symbols. The second one (P in English) does not match the P found in the attack name and in New Species. It makes sense, therefore, for the first (H) to not match the possible H in the attack name.
*The text following New Species does NOT appear to be Pokémon. Here's the incomplete translation: -ITT-EKO-...**EYI-
*Notes on the above: The third-to-last symbol before the ... is smudged on the article image, but I dug up my own ancient Mew and checked it. The Y after the ... is still unsure, since the attack name may not be Psyche. The two asterisks are smaller characters that may or may not be part of the same symbol set or word. The second one bears a resemblance to R. The ... may be symbols.
*Final notes: The card's type is Psychic, and the attack requires two Psychic energies. The card's HP is probably 100, since only one digit is unlikely. Is this is the case, the attack's power is 1--, possibly 10-. The card is weak against Psychic and resistant to nothing. This card's retreat cost is 2.
If you can help translate more (especially the incomplete word below the attack name, I get the feeling I'm missing something that could be obvious) or notice a mistake I've made, please say so. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 01:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what all the difficulty is in deciphering this card, but you've put a lot of work into it and pretty much figured it out. I guess the article has most of it by now, but just in case here is all that I can make out (minus the numbers because they are some made up runes that I don't understand)
:*Mew (clearly legible in younger futhark)
:*HP (on the right before the triangle, which appears to be a number)
:*Psyche (the power - I had a little trouble with this at first because the runes are slightly different, but that is definitely what it says)
:*New Species (in the middle right under the line)
:*"Little god ... or evil" (right below that, just as it says in the article)
:*Retreat cost (below that under the line. the cost appears to be two energy of any type)
:*Weakness (above the triangle on the left)
:*Resistance (above the triangle on the right)
:This is all relatively legible if you understand how to read the varieties of runes used here. My only uncertainty is the numbers. The article says that the attack damage and the HP are both 40, but they are clearly different on the card. There are only two digits shown, a triangle (I will write X) and a boxy thing (I will write Y). The attack damage given is XY, and the HP given is X. If we assume that the attack is indeed 40, then the HP must be 4 (an impossible HP) unless the numbers work in a way I don't understand. It could be that they are written Japanese-style (using 10 instead of 0) and written backwards, so that it has 10 HP, but that is purely conjectural. -[[User:WurdBendur|WurdBendur]] 09:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:: You are 100% correct... where did they get that "Birth, Enthronement, Right of Succession and Death." part? [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 22:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I had always assumed that the numbers were something more like roman numerals so that the HP would be (triangle) and the attack would be (triangle + vertical thing), which I assumed to mean 50 HP and 60 power because that's more reasonable than any other actual roman numerals interpretation(L and LX in roman numerals). But the actual values could of course be different. [[User:The Golux|The Golux]] 01:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Border ==

Nice work to LordArceus. It uses the Medieval Runes. Is there a possibility of the border having a message in it?No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 01:11, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Werdnae/Archive 3

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Mpcamel1729: /* name */ new section

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|<big>'''''New messages to the bottom please. If you post here I will reply here, If I post a comment on another page I will be watching it, so please keep the discussion there. Otherwise it gets too hard to follow the conversation.'''''</big>
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== Nav Bar ==
Hi!
I was just wondering what the language is for your navigation bar? I wanted to have one to but I can't seem the find out how to make one. PLZ REPLY?
Shockfisher
:[[User:Werdnae/Nav|My nav bar]], like all pages on the wiki, is written in [[Bulbapedia:Wikicode|Wikicode]]. Wikicode involves a fair amount of html as well. Aside from that help page I linked, the best way to figure out how to use it yourself is to try it. Copy the code, remove a bit and preview. Whatever no longer works is what that bit of code does. I would appreciate it if you didn't just copypaste my coding and then save though. I'd rather you figure out how it works and remake it in your own style. Just remember that the page for your nav bar is in your userspace, so the one edit per day limit includes that page - you'll have to wait until the next server day to add the navbar to your main userpage. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

== Questions ==

2 of 'em-

(1) How do you make your userpage backround bulba color dark?
(2) How do you make your userbox so it has [show] and [hide] options?
After I learn how to, this will be my final major edit to my u page. And I'll focus 100% on my edits (Before was like 45%.) Thanks twice- ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 20:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:# Put a table or div that covers the whole page with the style "<code><nowiki>background: #{{bulba color dark}};</nowiki></code>". If you need to, copy the coding for the exterior border on my talk page, remove the border bit and add that coding to it.
:# They userboxes are in a table with the class "expandable" (defaults to closed) or "collapsible" (defaults to open). Each row that should always show as a header for the following hidden bit should also have the expandable/collapsible class. Note that it doesn't work if the row has the class but the table as a whole doesn't, and you can mix-and-match the two in the same table. It still works if the table has expandable but every cell has collapsible, vice versa, or any other combination. Have a fiddle with the coding from my page if my explanation's a bit confusing. That said, I would appreciate if you didn't just copypaste my coding and then save. I'd rather you figure out how it works and add your own flair. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::(1) Thanks, it works perfectly, BUT! I have coding for my userbox that I need to use a |} thing on so all of my page isn't stuck in my userbox, and the final product is a thick

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that's colored bulba color dark with a dark color border (I meant for the border to happen.)
How can I fix it?
(2) I'll figure it out. Thanks times two! ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 17:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I assume you're using a table? You can have a table inside a table. Just make sure that all the content for the part of the page is inside a cell of the outer table. If it's not in a cell then it won't work properly. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Sorry for the late update. I gave up for now. I'll keep working on the expandable thing, but I need a cheat sheet or something. I would just look on wikipedia but I can't go on that. Also, I think a "bad grammar" template would be great. Draft:

<code><nowiki>{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color}}; border: 3px solid #{{poison color}}; width: 90%; {{roundy|40px}}"
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| style="background:#{{water color light}}; padding: 10px; {{roundy|50px}}" align="center" | [[Image:049Venomoth.png|100px]]
| '''This {{{1|article}}} is exhibiting many grammatical errors. Please feel free to refine the grammar in this article and enhance Bulbapedia's viewer's experiences. Bulbapedia thanks you.
|}</nowiki></code>.

I think this template would be helpful because: One- It would let grammar and spelling freaks like myself flock to these pages and beautify them, and Two- It adds an alternative to Template:Rewording and Template: Cleanup. If you dislike the simplicity I will either try to "fancy it up" or wait eight years, go to college, take a class in computer programming, and try then. Or you'll do it. Thanks- ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 23:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I've run it by a couple of other admins, and we feel that we don't really need either that or the reword one. If it's something simple, it can just be fixed when it's noticed - it's as much work to put on the template it as it is to fix. If it's extensive it probably needs a general cleanup too. IMO, Cleanup should be used where there's poor grammar, a reword is needed or it needs reformatting. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Ok, then. So much for that idea. But I need help again for something- I was looking at navs for ideas for my {{u|Focus58/Counterparts|own,}} and I saw yours. But it was covered with <nowiki>"<sc>...</sc>"</nowiki> Wuzzat? 2. {{tt|One last question-|I hope you have time to burn...}} I have {{u|Focus58/Counterparts|Another page}}, with a bluetable stolen from MAGNEDETH, and I have no idea what class="c" and class="l" are. Thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks! ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 13:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::The <nowiki><sc></nowiki> tag puts things in <sc>Small Caps</sc>. The classes are defined [[Mediawiki:Common.css|here]] for your future reference. The classes l and c make the text left and center aligned respectively. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks a zillion! ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 15:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::One more {{tt|thing|For now...}}- I am working on an article, {{u|Focus58/List of Legendary Pokémon|List of Legendary Pokémon}}, but my template doesn't work. It needs extra coding taken from {{u|Focus58/Lop/legendary|the template itself}} to work. Can you tell me how to fix this? Thank you! ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 21:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::Your template is only the rows. It doesn't have the header in it, (otherwise the rows would break). You need to open the table and put in the headers on the page itself. Basically, the template is telling it to put rows into a table which you haven't made exist on the page. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::How do you make a header? Do I make a page called "User:Focus58/{{tt|LOLPh|List of Legendary Pokémon header}}" and write <code><nowiki>
{| align="center" style="background: #{{arceus color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{arceus color}};{{roundy|10px}}"
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{| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{arceus color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background:#{{arceus color light}}"
! [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|#]]
! Sprite
! Name
! Introduced</noinclude></nowiki></code>? Or something else? Thanks, ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 23:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:resetting indent If it's just going to be used on one page there's no point in a header template. Just put that code (without the noinclude tags) above the rest of the table. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::O.K. Works fine, but on the the template the "switch|493S=493" ect. ect. is a fail. What needs to work? How do I fix? Thanks a ton, ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 13:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:::You're using the parameter for the name (parameter 2) to control the switcher, when the results are all expecting the parameter for the ndex number (parameter 1). [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
::::I don't get it... ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 16:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::The way it's set up, when you put <code><nowiki>{{User:Focus58/Lop/legendary|492S|Shaymin|[[Generation IV|Gen. IV]]}}</nowiki></code> on the page, the switcher is set to use the second parameter to determine the outcome. So it takes "Shaymin" and checks whether it matches any of the predetermined inputs. Since it doesn't, it defaults to displaying the first parameter (in this case 492S). You need to change that so that the switcher is using parameter 1, so it will use "492S" in that example. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

== My Sig ==

Thank You so much for the signature help. I have one question though; how can a make a box to put my images in like for example that box that pokemon sprites are in on their own pages? PokePrincess 16:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 16:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC) PokePrincess

Thanks
:The coding for the current sprite box can be found [[Template:Sprite|here]], but when you actually include the coding for the subtemplates as well it's remarkably complex because it has to take into account a lot of different scenarios. If you simply want to make a coloured box to put sprites in, then you'd be better off using a simple table. Table basics can be found on [[Bulbapedia:Wikicode]], and I'd suggest looking at the coding for the table section for the background and border coding. Most of that coding is pretty self-explanatory, especially when combined with what the page content. Also, just a note that there's a restriction on when you can edit your userpage - there's a minimum time limit and a minimum mainspace edit limit. It's great to see you're working towards the mainspace edit limit, if you haven't already reached it (I don't know the exact numbers), But you may need to wait a couple of weeks before it will let you edit it. Further details on that can be found on the {{bp|Userspace policy}}.

:Also, could I get you to change your sig code in your preferences to <code><nowiki>[[User talk:PokePrincess|PokePrincess]]</nowiki></code> please? We need it to actually have a link. If you would like to further customise your sig feel free, just ask if you need help. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry about my adding of trivia. I will punish myself and never do again. Besides what I am. How long will it be before I can edit my mainspace. [[User talk:PokePrincess|PokePrincess]] 00:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)--[[User talk:PokePrincess|PokePrincess]] 00:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:The mainspace can be edited by anyone. The userspace has a time and edit limit, the exact number and length of which I don't know. If [[Special:Preferences]] says you're a member of autoconfirmed, you can edit it. Once you can, remember the one-edit-per-day limit though. If you want to test out how templates work, they work just as well in previews as they do when the page is saved, so there's no need to save the page. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Just dropping this here for you ==

{{u|PsychicRider/Ranks (Mystery Dungeon)|For your opinions and such to replace the current two pages}}. I just merged them together with a cool table too. Kogs mentioned something else being added later, but it escapes me right now but I can find the log. Cheers. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 16:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:Looking good so far Psy. Definitely agree with merging the two articles, maybe even just replacing the MD section on [[Rank]] with that. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

== Projects ==

How do you join a project? Thanks.

Donyor, Origin Form 10:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Add your name to the bottom of the list on the page. Simple as that. Note that you don't have to be a project member to edit the sections.

:Could I get you to make your signature link to either your userpage or your [[User talk:Donyor|talk page]] please? Thanks. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this good:

Donyor, Origin Form 03:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how to do it. Could you help?

Donyor, Origin Form 03:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:<code><nowiki>[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]]</nowiki></code> will give [[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

== User Page ==

How do I know when my user page has been added? Will I get an e-mail?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 08:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:There's no notification that pops up. You'll have to either try editing it or look at your preferences occasionally. If the information in your preferences says that you're in the autoconfirmed usergroup, you can edit it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

== Logging Out ==

Why am I always being logged out of Bulbapedia automatically.

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 08:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:Make sure you're checking the "keep me logged in button". Assuming you are, it's probably just a glitch. It happens occasionally, and there isn't really anything we can do about it short term. Our server-side people are considering reconfiguring the setup, which will hopefully fix that bug and the session loss errors. For now, all you can really do is make sure you're checking the box and that your cookies are enabled (Maybe try clearing them too) and just waiting until it goes back to normal. Sorry I couldn't be more help. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

== Coral Sea ==

I just did a major edit on the [[Coral Sea]] page. I added a lot of detail (maybe too much) and I think it isn't a stub anymore. Also wondering should I tell admins this kind of stuff?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 09:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:It's no longer a stub, so you can remove the stub tags. When you do, you'll need to rewrite the stuff you added - Information in articles should always be in third person (the player, he, she, they) not second person (you). The difference is that third person is encyclopedic, while second person is more conversational - like a walkthrough. And for most articles, if you are sure it is no longer a stub, you don't need to ask to remove the tag. If it is a featured article, or you're unsure, you can ask any {{bp|Staff|staff member}}. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hi Werd ==

I've made [[User:MisterE13/Template:Trainerentry/Pokémon|some modifications]] to [[Template:Trainerentry/Pokémon]] and I was wondering what you thought. Extremely small changes would also have to be made to [[Template:Trainerentry]] if it was to be implemented but I could help out with that too.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:The concept looks good, the current system's just a quick addon. Could I get you to make a demonstration usage on the talk page of your template? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 12:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::The deed is done.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 11:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
:::[[User Talk:MisterE13/Template:Trainerentry/Pokémon|Right here]].--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== Z.Z. Flyer ==

The [[Z.Z. Flyer]] page is a stub but I looked at it and it's pretty long. Could you check and make sure that wasn't a mistake?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 09:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
:You're correct, it's not a stub any more. It looks to me like that largest section does need a reword and breaking into paragraphs, so I've left the cleanup tag on for now. That can be removed once that's done though. Thanks for looking to improve the stubs. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

== my Speculation page ==

You said I'd have to make mainspace edits first. I don't get what's to edit (I avoid Pokémon Black and White like the plague, and I don't watch the Japanese anime). What can I contribute?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
:There's a whole category of [[:Category:Pages needing attention|Pages needing attention]]. Many of the ones in the [[:Category:Articles needing improvement|Articles needing improvement]] subcategory simply need rewording. If you watch the English anime, there are still plenty of pages than need a full sysopsis written. There is also always some [[:Category:Stubs|Stubs]] which can be improved. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, and on the note of the english anime, I do watch it, but I don't memorize the episodes and the only anime site I know, animefreak.tv is rather useless to watch them on--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 04:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== Meloetta ==

Do you know: Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 22:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
:I do not know. I don't have one. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

== Optimizing PNG Images ==

Hey, I've taken an interest in helping with the archives, one of the things I think could be useful would be if I uploaded new revisions of PNG files that have been optimized for the smallest file size (with no to very little quality difference), such as converting RGB PNG's to Indexed Color PNG's (custom palletes). Anime images are very indexed-color friendly, their size can be signifigantly shrunk with little, if no impact on quality. Is this something worth doing, and would it be alright if I performed such optimizations? It may help with bandwidth/space issues. [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 23:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
:I'll bring it up with some of the other Archives staff members. While obviously smaller images will improve loading times and result in reduced bandwidth requirements, I don't think that's the main cause of the loading issues. For the record, space isn't (at least currently) an issue - every revision of every page is saved, even deleted ones. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sure. The difference is that with many anime images, especially character images, there are only a few distinct colors used. Hence rather than encoding them in a PNG that uses the entire RGB colorspace, one could simply include palette containing the few colors the image uses. The difference can be very large, with no visual drop. I could give you a few links to comparisons if you'd like (I'll upload them on an external website for now). Obviously bandwidth isn't a large issue (I'm guessing server hardware is more often than not), but anything that could save bulbapedia some bandwidth would be helpful, especially for larger images. [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 01:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

== Wonder Mail Codes ==

Is there any reason not to make a page with wonder mail codes on it? {{unsigned|Donyor}}
:Please sign your comments with four tildes. Are there not far too many wondermail codes for that page to be practical? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

== Link Template ==

I want to make a new link template, but I don't know how. I looked on the article about it but it wasn't any help. Also how do you know how to make certain templates for your userpage.

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 05:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
:What do you want to make the link template for? Templates for the userspace are mostly just tables Use the preview button and removing code to figure out the table coding is the first step. Then, anything in three braces is a parameter (e.g. <nowiki>{{{test|default}}}</nowiki> is a parameter called "test" which defaults to "default") Parameters can be used to alter the outcome over different pages. If the parameter name is a number, then it doesn't need to be named when the template is used, as long as it is that number in the template, counting only unnamed parameters. (That's probably really confusing. Have a look at existing templates to get a better idea.) Also, remember that templates for the userspace should be made in the userspace, so they count towards your limit. They only get moved to the templatespace if they become widely used. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Errrrr, is there a link to the template space for userspace templates, I don't know much wikicode.

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 14:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:If you want to link to the templatespace, you can use the {{template|template}} template to easily format it like a template. If you want to use a template in the userspace, it works exactly as in the mainspace (just be careful not to include yourself in mainspace categories). Pages in the userspace can be included as templates by putting the full page name in braces, e.g. to include my nav template which is at the top of this page, I use <code><nowiki>{{User:Werdnae/Nav}}</nowiki></code>. If you're using a subpage as a template, then you can exclude the page it's included on from the call. e.g. on my userpage, the same template is called by <code><nowiki>{{/Nav}}</nowiki></code> Hope that helped. Feel free to ask more if you need to. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Axew ==

Axew and its evolutionary family are the only pure dragon evolutionary family where all the members are pure dragon. Shouldn't that be in the Trivia?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 08:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Make sure you mention that it's only for multi-member families, otherwise {{p|Druddigon}} says hi. It'd probably be best to use the wording from the similar trivia point already on [[Klink (Pokémon)#Trivia|Klink's page]]. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
But I'm not supposed to edit Trivia, right?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 14:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:At the moment. But for consistency it's fine. Just note in the edit summary that I gave you permission to add it, so that it doesn't get reverted. The idea with the rule is to help reduce the pointless additions to trivia while the server's throwing tantrums. I see no reason to remove the good, notable additions to trivia sections just because they are trivia. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Talk Page ==

How does the talk page health thing work? Does it stay fixed or go up/down? Also how do you archive talk page stuff?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 03:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:The talk page health bar is a calculation based on the size of the page. The health goes down as the page increases in size, reaching empty when the page reaches 100kB. It's rather complicated, but the coding for mine is [[User:Werdnae/Archive|here]] if you want to reference it. To archive your talk page, use the "move" button at the top of the page to move it to a new name in your user talk space (e.g. User talk:Donyor/Archive 1) Then change the redirect that's left behind to a link to the archive. (The link to a list of my talk page archives is attached to the health bar at the top of the page) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
::How did yours on the top of this page get so compact?

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] 10:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::There's very little padding on the cells in the table, and the text is set to be a certain size. If it's really big then you've probably got padding or spacing on the cells or something extra inside the cells. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

::::I mean the coding in the link you gave me is link 20 sentences, your s at the top of the page is only like 1. {{Unsigned|Donyor}}
:::::Allow me to reply, Werd. He has only one line of coding because he's calling that page as a template ([[User:Werdnae/Archive]]), if you use these: ''<nowiki>{{</nowiki>'' and ''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>'', you can have its entire content without having to clutter the target page up, and even arrange information to make it more automatized! (See the Pokémon articles, see the infoboxes? Those are templates made for easier use, if you checked the source code of the infobox, you'd be very confused, so that's what templates would be for, to manage information neatlier). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 11:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Oh okay.I would make sure and make a good impression,cause if I can become a Junior Admin.....That's cloud nine !!!![[User:Skarm|Skarm]] 21:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

== Stubs??? ==

Hi Werdnae, I was looking for stubs to fix to pillow my userpage edit and I was looking at Sinnoh routes 227, 230. But they don't look like stubs. Can I remove the stub notices on these. I did that to Green Path and Sinnoh route 220 but I am having second doubts whether or not I made a good call. So I am asking you for your opoain on the matter, since you were the last adim to edit. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 00:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:Those articles aren't stubs. Stubs are very short. If they're that long they should really be marked as incomplete instead if they are missing information. You're welcome to remove those tags. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Template Question ==
I was looking at {{tt|The Union|ship, not ranger union}}'s page, and noticed that the template listing the Oblivia areas was included. The Union's link is not in this template, so I feel either we could edit the template, or simply take that template out altogether. Can I get your opinion on this matter? '''[[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]]''' '''[[User talk:EvilKirikizan|speaking!]] 02:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
:I've added it to the template. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::Awesome! Thank you. '''[[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]]''' '''[[User talk:EvilKirikizan|speaking!]] 13:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

== {{u|Merrick125}} and {{u|Merrick1252}} ==

I believe it's safe to assume that one is a sockpuppet of the other. Just thought you might like to know. BTW, why is TTE's talk page protected... indefinitely? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks. As for TTE's talk page, it was getting spammed by people. If he wants it unprotected he can ask any admin. Otherwise, check with Deth - he protected it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Timestamp? ==

You said dont edit the timestamp but it is wrong? I edited that page at 00:00 and it says 23:00? [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 23:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC) < and even that says 23:16?
:Look at the top of the page. Right at the top, next to your username. There's a clock. It's UTC. That's what's used. Not local time. I'm guessing you're in the UK based on your time. Remember you're on Daylight savings. So your local time is actually UTC+1. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Ah right ok, do you know what I have never known what daylight saving time is since it was said in pokemon crystal :L {{unsigned|EmeraldBen}}
:You know how you put your clocks forward every spring and back every Autumn? That's daylight saving. The wiki's clock doesn't do that because it uses the base time which all timezones are based on. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

== Archives ==

How long til Archives are back up? '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 01:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:If we knew, it'd be in the message from the editor. Not even Zhen Lin, the one who's been actually doing these changes, knows how much longer the archives will need. Until then we just have to make do with the picture we have. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

== {{u|Hamstram|This Guy}} ==

has two accounts, he/she made {{u|Faily|this one}}. I know you're only allowed one account, so I didn't know what to do... --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 00:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:You just did exactly what you should do. I've taken care of it now. Thanks. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== So ==

So it can't be metioned that zubat can get steel wing from a Skarmory? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 22:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
:Not on the breeding template in generation IV. Every single one of those Pokemon that learns it via TM can learn it from Skarmory in the same way (assuming they can breed). [[Breeding#Passing moves down|Refer to point three.]] Because that's inherently coded into the game as TM move behaviour, there's no need to repeat the TM table again in the breeding section. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Odd ==

That we have two basguy(insert numbers) [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
:One of them has to be a sockpuppet of the other one. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
::Thats one of my thoughts, my other is it might be that vandal that PSY blocked 3 hours or so ago. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Sock of another, unrelated to the earlier vandal. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
:::As I expected. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

== Sprite sandbox. ==

Leaved note about it. Most (I think all NON-shiny back sprites are there, and as far as I remember, the only shiny back sprites missing are from Crystal [as some Pokémons have their sprites changed, like eg. Sunkern], FR/LG, HG/SS and japanese games) back sprites are on Archives, just under different name. Emerald (and at least Platinum onward) has animated back sprites. While eg. Pidgey (yes, PIDGEY), is just moving, Blaziken sprite "receives" red color in Emerald [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 10:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

== Hmmm ==

For some reason, there are two Sandra Falls that signed up at the same time. Might be sockpuppets of one another. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
:Sorted. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

I just assumed that if I waited for it to be approved, it would sit there being ignored for weeks (I did test it out before i mainspaced it). [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 07:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
:I don't blame you, that does happen. Generally a quick reminder on a staff member's talk page should be enough. That reminds me, I'll preview a few more tests of that Jp Blue addition to the availability template and put that into use. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Actually, could you do [[Template talk:Vexmd2|this]] edit request for me? Its to hide the O and S that currently appear next to Giratina and Shaymin's dex numbers in the Mystery Dungeon section of the Version exclusives page. Cheers. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 08:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Done. The jp blue foeld is also live. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Cheers. Could you also add the Japanese Blue to [[Template:Catch/entry1]], I can add the location info from [http://www.upokecenter.com/games/rby/guides/bluejploc.php here]. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|'''⚡''']] 08:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'll look into it, but I'll need to look closer at how the template works as a whole. It may require more than just the one change to make it work properly, so it'll be a day or two before it's ready. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

== My edit ==

Why did you revert my edit on BW40? That's a perfectly good synopsis that could have been altered when more info is released! --[[User:Skarm|Skarm]] ''([[User talk:Skarm|tAlk]])'' 00:08, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:Your talk page edit indicated it was from Serebii, at least partly. Serebii does not like people stealing his information. Any and all information taken from Serebii is considered theft and will be removed on sight. If you want to write a synopsis, watch the episode yourself and write it properly. Don't just take it from someone else. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but I am a member of Serebii and asked him...he hasn't replied, and the episode, I don't think has even aired yet! But sorry, I won't take anything from Serebii anymore, although I hardly see how someone can steal words... --[[User:Skarm|Skarm]] ''([[User talk:Skarm|tAlk]])'' 00:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
::Well, if he hasn't replied, how can you be sure that he approves? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 00:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll watch BW40 when it airs in Japan and write one, fuck Serebii. --[[User:Skarm|Skarm]] ''([[User talk:Skarm|tAlk]])'' 00:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
PS. Sorry if that counts as flaming someone --[[User:Skarm|Skarm]] ''([[User talk:Skarm|tAlk]])'' 00:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
:Stealing words is such a major thing it has a name. {{wp|Plagiarism}}. Also, Serebii has stated to Bulbagarden staff on multiple occasions that he does not want his work used on our site. I can guarantee he will not give you his approval, even if you ask. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay, sorry, It won't happen again. --[[User:Skarm|Skarm]] ''([[User talk:Skarm|tAlk]])'' 00:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== Did you forget something? ==

[[Category talk:TM moves that All Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn]] are we moving this or not. -[[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 20:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:Since I offered a possible name, I wanted other admins to make the decision on what to call it - I'd be biased. I haven't had the time to do much more than check my watchlist lately, so yes, I had forgotten about it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

== Redlink ==

Your [[User talk:Werdnae/Archive 2#More Help Wanted|second archive]] has a redlink to the no longer existent [[talk:u|Glitchy Charizard Talk Page]]. Is changing the link allowed? ~[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 17:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
:Certainly. for maintenance purposes, it's fine. It's just new comments that aren't allowed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

== Animated GIFs ==

If that is the case (I'm moving discussion here from the Paralysis talk page), can anything be done about [[a:File:Lugia Aeroblast.png|this?]] Its just frozen on a still of Lugia's big angry eye and its hardly helpful for information. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 03:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sorted. Anime images should only be animated if the move/ability is rather difficult to describe with still images. And even then, needs to be done in such a way that people who can only see the still images can still see something. This move, a single still is more than adequate to portray it, so I've changed it back to a still image. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 05:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

:::Would you also fix these? [[a:File:Zapdos Thunderbolt.png]], [[a:File:Moltres Flamethrower.png]] and [[a:File:Articuno Ice Beam.png]]. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 02:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Done. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

You know what, I give up. Nobody can listen to reason.
I'm leaving not coming back etc... I' sure you have heard it before.
But before I do hear me out.

Leaf's name. Where did it come from?
She was not in the anime at all. If I'm wrong (and I'm 99% positive I'm not) what episode?
Her manga counterpart was Green. (Blue in Japan)
Her name is never officially stated in the games Pokemon Fire Red and Pokemon Leaf Green, which are the only games that she makes an appearance.
Leaf isn't THE default name, but simply one of the many that she can have if the player did not enter a name and is playing Leaf Green.
The only place where she is known as Leaf in an official source is, as a dummy trainer inside the game. (Probably to test battles or as a place holder) Furthermore this knowledge was originally obtained through illegal methods, by opening up the Rom in some program.

She has no official name.
If the name is based on internal data, then it's important to list that.
If it isn't based on internal data and she has no official name, Then its a fan name, so it's important to list that.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge this? After all this IS an online encyclopedia specializing in Pokemon, is it not? One would think that this would be important trivia.
[[User:VoodooChild|VoodooChild]] 21:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:If you wanted to be heard out, then you should have commented on the talk page. Edit wars, or reverting reverts, are bad, and accomplish nothing. Constantly re-saving your version of the page won't make it stay like that. It'll just get it protected, ''so that it can be discussed on the talk page''. By protecting it, I was not saying that I have an opinion on the matter, just that you need to stop edit warring and discuss it on the talk page. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Bulbapedia Staff ==
Perhaps, but I would just like to give a contribution.

I tried several times to log in successfully to log in with my Bulbapedia account on the forums. So I learned it's a seperate ordeal, but then when I tried to create a new forum account...well, it just didn't let me.
[[User:Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss|Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss]] 04:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:Did you try and use this name? There is a character limit, unfortunately. What was the error message you received? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:41, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

"Message from webpage"
"Incorrect. Please try again."

"Username is valid and not in use."

"I have read, and agree to abide by the Bulbagarden Forums rules."

The only section I did not fill out was the "Referrer."

I'd take a picture and post it here...except I don't know how.
[[User:Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss|Philosophical-Psychological Informist Togekiss]] 07:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
:Did you complete the Captcha (the anti-spambot thing) correctly? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

== Deletion request ==

Hi. I want one of my userpages, {{redlink|User:YoshisWorld/Yoshi's Pokémon}}, to be deleted. After realizing I don't edit it much anyway, it seems useless to have it. Thanks. Delete ASAP. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 21:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

== Main Page ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:The_dark_lord_trombonator/Main_Page_2/Featured_content/Monday&action=history Didn't we just do E city] [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply. We did. There's basically a page for each day of the week, and no-one had written anything for the Monday during that week. I didn't have the time to write one myself, but {{u|Adyniz}} did, and was able to write something for the English release of [[M14]]. Thanks Ady, and thanks Truthseeker for pointing it out. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== name ==

I apologize for the signature issue.
If it is not offensive and has the username thing in it, it is okay?
I changed it to 'No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A.'
I mentioned that I borrowed a line from a song, is that allowed?
Just curious... I have another one in case that one isn't allowed.

User:Mpcamel1729

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Mpcamel1729: /* Intro */

Talk:Pallet Town

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Mpcamel1729: /* Name */ new section

== Pokemon Pinball ==

In the first Pinball game Bulbasaur, Charmander, Pidgey, Rattata, Nidoran (Male), Poliwag and Tentacool can be caught in Pallet Town, in the Red Zone, I believe this should be in the article, but I don't know where. Any suggestions, or is it to petty? --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 13:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps in the trivia. It is more of a main game article. Maybe on another page, like, say the {{g|Pinball}} page itself.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Sign ==

In FR/LG, sign says "Shades of your journey await!" In G/S/C however, it says, "A Tranquil Setting of Peace & Purity." Which should we use? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:I say "Shades of your journey await!" It refers to present-day Pallet, not 3 years later or whatever. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| |3urn ]][[Special:contributions/PH1RESTRIKE|•]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE|57R1K3]] 22:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, that's pushing it. Your theory suggests that G/S/C and D/P/Pt takes place in the future... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, apparently, GSC does. DPPt has nothing to do with Pallet. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| |3urn ]][[Special:contributions/PH1RESTRIKE|•]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE|57R1K3]] 22:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I'll agree with that (about the D/P/Pt thing), but that still doesn't answer my initial question: which sign should we use? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Um, both? At the moment, though, we lack a GSC sign template, so until someone makes one let's just go with the FRLG. It is possible to have two signs though. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

==Labels?==
Hey I was wondering if we could place labels on the maps. That way if some new person who came here for maps would be able to know where certan buildings other than pokémon centers and marts and gyms. [[User:Mario Man|Mario Man]]
:What else is there that can't be put in the article? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::Sarcasm is very helpful. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| |>H1|23]][[Special:contributions/PH1RESTRIKE|•]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE|57R1K3]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::If you're talking to me, I'm being serious. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Let me answer for you. "Well, that's your idea. Go make a suggestion to the leader of {{bp|Project Locations}} or {{bp|Project Cities and Towns}}. They're the ones who consider it." [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| |>H1|23]][[Special:contributions/PH1RESTRIKE|•]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE|57R1K3]] 00:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mandarin Chinese Town Name Meaning ==

I think the names listed for this town in Mandarin Chinese (眞新鎮/真新镇) would mean along the lines of "Truly New Town". I researched it a bit and used my small amount of knowledge of the language and that's at least a close definition if not the actual one. Any input or corrections? - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 13:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:The only ones I'm positive on are that the middle character in both names (both being the same) would mean "new" and that the last character on both names mean "town", despite those two being different. Its the first character on both and the actual structure of the name that get me, as I don't have much knowledge into actual grammatical forms in Mandarian such as adjectives. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 13:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== Generation IV art ==

is this good enough? [[File:Pallet Town Generation IV.jpg]] --[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:It should be png, not jpg. Also, do you make these yourself? If not, have you the permission to use them? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 17:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::I find 'em on Google so no I don't make 'em.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Then, if you haven't contacted the author and gained a permission, you should not upload them. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 17:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::::just trying to help--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Don't Google for the HGSS maps if you don't have the actual game to check if they're real or not.. I'm not up to Pallet Town so I can't check, but you should really verify if they're real or just sprited before posting. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::like I said I was just trying to help out. --[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::my goal is to get everything I can uploaded to {{g|HeartGold and SoulSilver}} style--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Brendon|Brendon]], why are you using the incomplete HG/SS picture as the header picture? The header picture needs to be complete, like the one that [[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] put just above this, except a .png, not a .jpg. --[[User:Oz|'''O''']][[User talk:Oz|'''z''']] 09:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

Masara town?
Is that just a Johto thing, because personally I don't really like (let alone have) any Johto region games.
Where is it called 'Masara town'?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 00:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Darmanitan (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:17:04Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Daruma mode = Dharma mode? */

{{Forme info|555{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|1=Z}}.png|Fire|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=fire|1=psychic}}|[[Form differences#Darmanitan|Darmanitan's forms]]|Darmanitan as though it were in either its Standard Mode or Zen Mode. However, this cannot be accurately reproduced here|the type-themed color displays, the [[Effort values|EV yield]] shown on the page itself, the base stats entry which is unhidden, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|time the article isn't edited for more than a week}}

==Physiology==
Hihidaruma is a mainly red, squat ape-like Pokémon. Hihidaruma has long, bushy flame-colored eyebrows, curled at the beginning portions, and round, black-ringed eyes. The upper portion of its tan-colored face is separated from the lower portion by a diagonal stripe of red, and its large mouth sports spiked teeth. All these facial features give the impression of a manic or angered expression, and Hihidaruma’s head has no discernible neck to distinguish it from the rest of the body and its rounded back, which culminates in a stubby tail. It has long arms with spiky hair fringes on the wrists and large tan-colored hands, with a similar arrangement for its hind limbs. Additionally, Hihidaruma’s underside sports a patterning of three tan-colored ovals. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

I think this way would be a more complete origin:
Hihidaruma is a portmanteau of the words 狒狒 ''hihi'', baboon, 火だるま ''hidaruma'', body covered with flames and 達磨 ''daruma'', the Daruma Doll. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 06:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be added?:
火 ''hi'' also means fire, refering to its type. --[[User:Pokequaza|Pokequaza]] 06:38, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Darumakka==
Pre-evolution almost guaranteed to exist. But I guess we wait until confirmation? --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 04:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

like always... [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:24, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Daruma Sprite ==

Can anyone pute this image into the page. [[File:555Z.png]]

== Daruma Mode and EVs ==

Do we know how the EVs work? It says Attack and Special Attack are swapped but is that really the case? If you EV-trained in Attack and Hihidaruma switches to Daruma mode, do those EVs get transferred to special attack?
In other words, Atk/SpAtk would be 203/30 base in normal mode if Attack is maxed. In Daruma Mode does this go to 30/203, or 93/140?
:The EVs themselves wouldn't transfer, but that's a moot point anyway, since four EVs equals one extra stat point (unless that changed in B/W). Whatever the Attack stat is after the EV training would then become the Special Attack stat in Daruma Mode, and vice versa. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 13:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::What about the defense change though? It seems like the actual attack and spatk stats aren't just swapped, only the base stats change. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 18:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== Daruma mode = Dharma mode? ==

The Daruma doll, after all, is based off of {{wp|Bodhidharma}} so maybe the "Daruma mode" of Hihidaruma's found in the desert could be seen as Hihidaruma achieving enlightenment like Bohdidharma and succesive dharmas did? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed your link. And that's actually an interesting observation. Perhaps that should go in its Origin section? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::My link was broken...? Weird. I doubled checked that link. Ah well. Anyway, this observation was made when I was researching Daruma dolls (I'll tell you on dA if you're interested why) and it should definitely go into the "Origin" section because I've been finding a few deeper bases for certain Pokemon. The current "Origin" section does not give enough of a thought to the "Dharma mode" idea. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:::And the health thing is like the Bodsivattas in Buddhism, those who have reached enlightenment but postpone dying. It makes sense.[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 00:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== It may be a bit of a stretch, but possible Daruma Mode origin; ==

This just occurred to me yesterday while I was playing Pac-Man. Perhaps Hihidaruma's Daruma Mode Forme is at least partly based off of a Pac-Man ghost when Pac-Man eats a power pellet. Look at the similarities; First, there's appearances; Daruma Mode Hihidaruma is blue with blank eyes and a closed, zigzaggy mouth. When a ghost in Pac-Man turns edible, it becomes blue, its eyes go blank, and it gains a zigzaggy mouth. Not to mention, when a ghost becomes edible, they become slower. When Hihidaruma enters Daruma Mode, its speed becomes virtually nonexistant. And the ghosts, when they become edible, they stop taking the offensive and become more defensive, as they can no longer harm Pac-Man. Similarly, when Hihidaruma changes form, its Attack plummets and its defenses go way up. Now, at this point, or perhaps even earlier, you may have been wondering, "But if Daruma Mode is based off a Pac-Man ghost, why isn't it a Ghost-type?" I think I have the answer to this as well. Originally, Pac-Man ghosts weren't actually referred to as ghosts, but as monsters. And there's no specific type for monsters. Also, unlike the arguments I've seen for the "like a moth to a flame" stuff for Ulgamoth, Pac-Man is Japanese in origin, so it isn't that {{p|farfetch'd}} for a Pokémon to be based off of some element of the game, am I right?

So what do you guys think? Is this good for the Origin section? Or the Trivia section at least? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:That makes no sense whatsoever [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 12:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::It makes some sense. Even more considering somebody important in Nintendo's (forgot which) favorite video game character is Pac-Man. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:::It makes sense, except for one thing. ''Why'' would Hihidaruma be based on a Pac-Man ghost? The appearance is the only thing to draw those similarities. No dex info, etc. backs it up. I don't know, perhaps the appearance is enough to deserve mention, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree that it's a stretch but I do think it's a possibility.. it could explain not the design of either forme but the actual inspiration for the change/transition from one to the other. I mean, Hihidaruma (as Ken would have known it) could have been designed simply as a pure fire-type initially and then later drawn inspiration from Pac-Man for Daruma mode, or even the other way around! Basically, I agree with Missigno. Master in so far as it's a ''possibility'' but there may be no connection. Very good find though, probably worth a Trivia mention! [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 23:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

==Hacking Normal Darmanitan==

Apparently hacking a normal Darmanitan with Zen Mode is strange. After it triggers, the ability changes back to Sheer Force. [[User:Jimmyt26|Jimmyt26]] 22:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== Flare Blitz ==

Could it be noted that Flare Blitz, when combined with Sheer Force, Sunny Day, an item that raises the attack of fire type moves, the STAB, Using Bulk Up a few times and the fact Darmanitan has the strongest physical attack of all fire types is probably the strongest Flare Blitz that any Pokemon can use? I managed to knock out a Gyarados of the same level just by using it, it makes the move super power full. [[User:Buizel1991|Buizel1991]] 16:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:No, not really. We list the most possible damage that can be inflicted on Shuckle's page, but that is about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Switch not working? ==

None of the switches on the page appear to be working. Although this article has not been edited for weeks, the move table does not show Psychic as being a STAB move, Zen Mode Darmanitan does not appear in the evobox, and none of the templates have a Psychic type border. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
:Both the revisionday and currentday magic words are day of the month. So it doesn't work as it would initially appear to across months. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
::Though it does have the advantage of showing Normal mode for a couple of days even if we hit a dry spell :).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

==Related to the wise==
I don't know if anyone attended, but when Darmanitan becomes Zen mode, it hands hold its head like if it were closing its ears, the mouth becomes closed, and the eyes don't have pupils like if they were closed. My point is... Where have we seen this before?
The three wise monkeys, Panpour, Pansear and Pansage! I don't know if he is related to the trio but I think we should add this on Trivia. [[User:Igor Castro Chucre]]

Talk:Darmanitan (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:16:50Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Daruma mode = Dharma mode? */

{{Forme info|555{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|1=Z}}.png|Fire|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=fire|1=psychic}}|[[Form differences#Darmanitan|Darmanitan's forms]]|Darmanitan as though it were in either its Standard Mode or Zen Mode. However, this cannot be accurately reproduced here|the type-themed color displays, the [[Effort values|EV yield]] shown on the page itself, the base stats entry which is unhidden, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|time the article isn't edited for more than a week}}

==Physiology==
Hihidaruma is a mainly red, squat ape-like Pokémon. Hihidaruma has long, bushy flame-colored eyebrows, curled at the beginning portions, and round, black-ringed eyes. The upper portion of its tan-colored face is separated from the lower portion by a diagonal stripe of red, and its large mouth sports spiked teeth. All these facial features give the impression of a manic or angered expression, and Hihidaruma’s head has no discernible neck to distinguish it from the rest of the body and its rounded back, which culminates in a stubby tail. It has long arms with spiky hair fringes on the wrists and large tan-colored hands, with a similar arrangement for its hind limbs. Additionally, Hihidaruma’s underside sports a patterning of three tan-colored ovals. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

I think this way would be a more complete origin:
Hihidaruma is a portmanteau of the words 狒狒 ''hihi'', baboon, 火だるま ''hidaruma'', body covered with flames and 達磨 ''daruma'', the Daruma Doll. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 06:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be added?:
火 ''hi'' also means fire, refering to its type. --[[User:Pokequaza|Pokequaza]] 06:38, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Darumakka==
Pre-evolution almost guaranteed to exist. But I guess we wait until confirmation? --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 04:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

like always... [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:24, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Daruma Sprite ==

Can anyone pute this image into the page. [[File:555Z.png]]

== Daruma Mode and EVs ==

Do we know how the EVs work? It says Attack and Special Attack are swapped but is that really the case? If you EV-trained in Attack and Hihidaruma switches to Daruma mode, do those EVs get transferred to special attack?
In other words, Atk/SpAtk would be 203/30 base in normal mode if Attack is maxed. In Daruma Mode does this go to 30/203, or 93/140?
:The EVs themselves wouldn't transfer, but that's a moot point anyway, since four EVs equals one extra stat point (unless that changed in B/W). Whatever the Attack stat is after the EV training would then become the Special Attack stat in Daruma Mode, and vice versa. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 13:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::What about the defense change though? It seems like the actual attack and spatk stats aren't just swapped, only the base stats change. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 18:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== Daruma mode = Dharma mode? ==

The Daruma doll, after all, is based off of {{wp|Bodhidharma}} so maybe the "Daruma mode" of Hihidaruma's found in the desert could be seen as Hihidaruma achieving enlightenment like Bohdidharma and succesive dharmas did? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed your link. And that's actually an interesting observation. Perhaps that should go in its Origin section? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::My link was broken...? Weird. I doubled checked that link. Ah well. Anyway, this observation was made when I was researching Daruma dolls (I'll tell you on dA if you're interested why) and it should definitely go into the "Origin" section because I've been finding a few deeper bases for certain Pokemon. The current "Origin" section does not give enough of a thought to the "Dharma mode" idea. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:::And the health thing is like the Bodsivattas in Buddhism, those who have reached enlightenment but postpone dying. It makes sense.

== It may be a bit of a stretch, but possible Daruma Mode origin; ==

This just occurred to me yesterday while I was playing Pac-Man. Perhaps Hihidaruma's Daruma Mode Forme is at least partly based off of a Pac-Man ghost when Pac-Man eats a power pellet. Look at the similarities; First, there's appearances; Daruma Mode Hihidaruma is blue with blank eyes and a closed, zigzaggy mouth. When a ghost in Pac-Man turns edible, it becomes blue, its eyes go blank, and it gains a zigzaggy mouth. Not to mention, when a ghost becomes edible, they become slower. When Hihidaruma enters Daruma Mode, its speed becomes virtually nonexistant. And the ghosts, when they become edible, they stop taking the offensive and become more defensive, as they can no longer harm Pac-Man. Similarly, when Hihidaruma changes form, its Attack plummets and its defenses go way up. Now, at this point, or perhaps even earlier, you may have been wondering, "But if Daruma Mode is based off a Pac-Man ghost, why isn't it a Ghost-type?" I think I have the answer to this as well. Originally, Pac-Man ghosts weren't actually referred to as ghosts, but as monsters. And there's no specific type for monsters. Also, unlike the arguments I've seen for the "like a moth to a flame" stuff for Ulgamoth, Pac-Man is Japanese in origin, so it isn't that {{p|farfetch'd}} for a Pokémon to be based off of some element of the game, am I right?

So what do you guys think? Is this good for the Origin section? Or the Trivia section at least? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:That makes no sense whatsoever [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 12:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::It makes some sense. Even more considering somebody important in Nintendo's (forgot which) favorite video game character is Pac-Man. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:::It makes sense, except for one thing. ''Why'' would Hihidaruma be based on a Pac-Man ghost? The appearance is the only thing to draw those similarities. No dex info, etc. backs it up. I don't know, perhaps the appearance is enough to deserve mention, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree that it's a stretch but I do think it's a possibility.. it could explain not the design of either forme but the actual inspiration for the change/transition from one to the other. I mean, Hihidaruma (as Ken would have known it) could have been designed simply as a pure fire-type initially and then later drawn inspiration from Pac-Man for Daruma mode, or even the other way around! Basically, I agree with Missigno. Master in so far as it's a ''possibility'' but there may be no connection. Very good find though, probably worth a Trivia mention! [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 23:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

==Hacking Normal Darmanitan==

Apparently hacking a normal Darmanitan with Zen Mode is strange. After it triggers, the ability changes back to Sheer Force. [[User:Jimmyt26|Jimmyt26]] 22:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== Flare Blitz ==

Could it be noted that Flare Blitz, when combined with Sheer Force, Sunny Day, an item that raises the attack of fire type moves, the STAB, Using Bulk Up a few times and the fact Darmanitan has the strongest physical attack of all fire types is probably the strongest Flare Blitz that any Pokemon can use? I managed to knock out a Gyarados of the same level just by using it, it makes the move super power full. [[User:Buizel1991|Buizel1991]] 16:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:No, not really. We list the most possible damage that can be inflicted on Shuckle's page, but that is about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Switch not working? ==

None of the switches on the page appear to be working. Although this article has not been edited for weeks, the move table does not show Psychic as being a STAB move, Zen Mode Darmanitan does not appear in the evobox, and none of the templates have a Psychic type border. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
:Both the revisionday and currentday magic words are day of the month. So it doesn't work as it would initially appear to across months. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
::Though it does have the advantage of showing Normal mode for a couple of days even if we hit a dry spell :).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

==Related to the wise==
I don't know if anyone attended, but when Darmanitan becomes Zen mode, it hands hold its head like if it were closing its ears, the mouth becomes closed, and the eyes don't have pupils like if they were closed. My point is... Where have we seen this before?
The three wise monkeys, Panpour, Pansear and Pansage! I don't know if he is related to the trio but I think we should add this on Trivia. [[User:Igor Castro Chucre]]

Talk:Chimecho (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:12:17Z

Mpcamel1729:

I couldn't get it to edit for some reason (see: I suck) but the game locations for Chimecho are the same in Platinum as they are in D/P. I just looked at the stats on my game, and it hasn't changed since D/P. Someone should fix that since every time I tried the page stayed the same. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Ogawaburukku|Ogawaburukku]] ([[User talk:Ogawaburukku|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ogawaburukku|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== picture quality? ==

Is it just me, or does the shiny front sprite of BW look a bit fuzzy? I would replace it, but I use a mac, so i cant get an rom and cheat...

== Chimerical ==

The Oxford English Dictionary defines chimerical as "whimsical, fanciful". Does anyone else think the name of this pokemon might go beyond chime + echo? [[User:DCM]] 23:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. [[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 00:12, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Kadabra (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:08:39Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Name */

== Lawsuit ==

Wasn't that case thrown out because he sued Nintendo of AMERICA, who had nothing to do with it? {{unsigned|Blackjack Gabbiani}}

I think he lost the case (throw out isn't the same as lose, but I'm not sure what happened here) - but yes, he sued in America. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:04, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've heard that there is some controversy over Kadabra having a star on his forehead and a lightning bolts symbol on his abdomen, both of which are used by the Nazi SS. I was also sitting in class today when I realized something. Isn't odd that both Kadabra and Alakazam have five points on their head, ie. the form of an inverted pentagram?
-Ragnarok7038
:Alakazam has no pentagram on its head. Kadabra has a star. If a star is suddenly an "occult inverted pentagram", well then the US flag is covered in them. Oh-em-gees, occult in my Christian nation? As for "lightning bolts", um, the Nazis had two of those S things for their secret police. If you look at every wavy line as if it's "OMG NAZI GASP" then you're just crazy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say that I interpreted it as Nazi symbols, I was referring to a controversy that has arisen elsewhere. And the star on Kadabra's forehead isn't the inverted pentagram, his head is. Look at the shape. -Ragnarok7038
:...now ''that'' is a stretch. I mean, if Kadabra's head is an inverted pentagram, then so are the heads of all foxes. And controversy always arises from super-fearful parents. The easiest way to kill something is to compare it to Hitler. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Kinesis ==

If Kinesis is Kadabra's signature move, it should be added to its moveset. But I'm not sure on which level. {{unsigned|Pokeresp}}

== On GTS ==

Is Kadabra being the only unsearchable Pokemon on [http://www.pokemon-gts.net/ GTS.net] noteworthy trivia? --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 03:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure it's just an error. I've written to Pokemon.com's mailbag about that, but they haven't answered it yet. What purpose would they have for making Kadabra unsearchable? That'd just inconvenience people. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::More than a year, and I just checked right now, and it's not searchable. I seriously think that its notable now. I'm adding it. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 02:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Probably they don't let you touch Kadabra because of that whiner Geller. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== TCG ==

Ever since that case with Uri Geller, there hasn't been a new Kadabra card in the TCG. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere on Kadabra's page? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 04:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Behavior ==

I've yet to see a source on the entire "Kadabra, like Abra, sleep for around 18 hours a day." line

Can we get ANY citation for this or are we going by hearsay or making things up? [[User:Zelinko|Zelinko]] 02:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

"The name might come from the Spanish word for goat."

Seriously? Does anyone see a single 'goat' characteristic about it?
{{unsigned|Mpcamel1729}}

:I can somewhat see it. Both Kadabra and goats have that scruff of fur on its face. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 00:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
::Actully the article says under orgin ''Kadabra is based on a magician and also a {{wp|Spoon bending|spoon bender}}. It also shares similarities to {{wp|goat}}s and {{wp|foxes}}, both animals with ties to magic.''. The spanish naming using the word for goat probably comes from that explanation. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

:::Ah. Now I sorta see it. Foxes?[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 00:08, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Kadabra (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:08:15Z

Mpcamel1729: /* Name */

== Lawsuit ==

Wasn't that case thrown out because he sued Nintendo of AMERICA, who had nothing to do with it? {{unsigned|Blackjack Gabbiani}}

I think he lost the case (throw out isn't the same as lose, but I'm not sure what happened here) - but yes, he sued in America. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:04, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've heard that there is some controversy over Kadabra having a star on his forehead and a lightning bolts symbol on his abdomen, both of which are used by the Nazi SS. I was also sitting in class today when I realized something. Isn't odd that both Kadabra and Alakazam have five points on their head, ie. the form of an inverted pentagram?
-Ragnarok7038
:Alakazam has no pentagram on its head. Kadabra has a star. If a star is suddenly an "occult inverted pentagram", well then the US flag is covered in them. Oh-em-gees, occult in my Christian nation? As for "lightning bolts", um, the Nazis had two of those S things for their secret police. If you look at every wavy line as if it's "OMG NAZI GASP" then you're just crazy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say that I interpreted it as Nazi symbols, I was referring to a controversy that has arisen elsewhere. And the star on Kadabra's forehead isn't the inverted pentagram, his head is. Look at the shape. -Ragnarok7038
:...now ''that'' is a stretch. I mean, if Kadabra's head is an inverted pentagram, then so are the heads of all foxes. And controversy always arises from super-fearful parents. The easiest way to kill something is to compare it to Hitler. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Kinesis ==

If Kinesis is Kadabra's signature move, it should be added to its moveset. But I'm not sure on which level. {{unsigned|Pokeresp}}

== On GTS ==

Is Kadabra being the only unsearchable Pokemon on [http://www.pokemon-gts.net/ GTS.net] noteworthy trivia? --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 03:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure it's just an error. I've written to Pokemon.com's mailbag about that, but they haven't answered it yet. What purpose would they have for making Kadabra unsearchable? That'd just inconvenience people. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::More than a year, and I just checked right now, and it's not searchable. I seriously think that its notable now. I'm adding it. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 02:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Probably they don't let you touch Kadabra because of that whiner Geller. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== TCG ==

Ever since that case with Uri Geller, there hasn't been a new Kadabra card in the TCG. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere on Kadabra's page? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 04:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Behavior ==

I've yet to see a source on the entire "Kadabra, like Abra, sleep for around 18 hours a day." line

Can we get ANY citation for this or are we going by hearsay or making things up? [[User:Zelinko|Zelinko]] 02:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

"The name might come from the Spanish word for goat."

Seriously? Does anyone see a single 'goat' characteristic about it?
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:I can somewhat see it. Both Kadabra and goats have that scruff of fur on its face. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 00:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
::Actully the article says under orgin ''Kadabra is based on a magician and also a {{wp|Spoon bending|spoon bender}}. It also shares similarities to {{wp|goat}}s and {{wp|foxes}}, both animals with ties to magic.''. The spanish naming using the word for goat probably comes from that explanation. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

:::Ah. Now I sorta see it.
:::Foxes?
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Talk:Kadabra (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:08:06Z

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Talk:Gastrodon (Pokémon)

2011-12-17T00:05:13Z

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{{Forme info|423{{#switch: {{#time: A}}|PM=E}}.png|Water|Ground|[[Form differences#Shellos and Gastrodon|Gastrodon's forms]]|Gastrodon as though it had been found on the {{#switch: {{#time: A}}|AM=West|PM=East}} side of Sinnoh, therefore being in its {{#switch: {{#time: A}}|AM=West|PM=East}} Sea form|the artwork shown in the infobox and the evobox which is unhidden|day at noon and midnight (UTC)}}

Uh... I think Gastrodon and Shellos from east sea are pure water, not water ground. Someone should look into this.
:Nope. East, west, both Gastrodon are Water/Ground. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
==Picture?==
The picture for Gastrodon is pretty pathetic atm, can anyone put in a crisp, not blurry version?--[[User:Madheroesfan|Madheroesfan]] 04:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

==East Sea Gastrodon in the anime==
Would it be worth noting that East Sea Gastrodon is the only [[Generation IV]] Pokémon (with the obviously exception of {{p|Porygon-Z}}) that has yet to make any kind of appearance in the anime (as all the others have appeared in the series and/or movies)? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 15:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

==Name Origin==
How sure are you that the 'don' part of Gastrodon's name comes from the Spanish honorific? I feel like it's more likely that the name comes from Gastrodonta, a genus of land snails. The only reason that might not be the case is that Gastrodonta are land snails while Gastrodon is very obviously a water snail. --[[User:Mamthew42|Mamthew42]] 21:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
==Third Eye?==
How can we be certain that the dark whet circle with a dark border in the middle of its forehead is actually an eye and not just part of its body?[[User:Leaf494|Leaf494]] 18:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, that doesn't look like an eye to me at all. I think I'll remove that bit. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::I'd have to agree. I've never seen anyone mention a third eye over the last four years. It looks more like a charm to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

plus it did not go swirly when defeated [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I was the one who added in the bit about the third eye. If this is the case, then [[DP186]] needs to be edited. It lists in the errors section that "the third eye" did not go swirly. Based on the fact that it is identical to its other two eyes, I'd be less willing to believe it is a charm.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 23:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, never mind, it has already been deleted.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 23:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::That dot looks identical to its other two eyes. Hence the whole thing about it having a third eye. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I really think that if it was meant to be a charm or something, they would have made it look different from its two eyes. It's a little bigger, but that's not enough evidence to make be believe it isn't an eye.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 05:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Errors ==

Ok, almost everytime a Gastrodon has appeared, the animators have made a mistake with the coloration of its forehead. I was wondering if this was trivia worthy? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Color ==

Anyone have a suggestion as to why it might be pink-brown and blue-green?
Just curious.
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 00:05, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:EP018

2011-12-16T23:55:07Z

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== DVD ==

Is any possibility that a special DVD was ever released with that episode. I'm asking this because it might be useful trivia for the article. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

:Not as far as I know. As far as I know, the Japanese VHS is the only home video release of this episode. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

::It's on DVD in Australia. :p ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 11:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC))

== Aired Twice ? ==

So its not even in syndication on [[Cartoon Network]] or other channels ? [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 17:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I'd doubt that, I mean it was banned after all. And I can't see an unban happening any time soon. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Show/Hide ==

We need it here. You never know when parents might pass by and see their kids looking at that, thus leading to the banning of that kid/user. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:01 17 Jun 2008'''''
:Well, it's not like you see tits on this page. Why should we have show/hide option? Because people decide to see the episode online? Is that the problem? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, I think we should. If my mom walks by and sees that picture, she'd never let me come on here again. (okay, I'm exagerating; I might be able to sneak on here when I'm in college, which is eight years from now.)--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 21:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Yea, I agree. It's not likely to happen, but it's still plausible. I'll add in the show/hide template. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
== Acapulco or Aopulco ? ==

It's Acapulco or Aopulco ?

:The latter. {{u|Maxim}} had done an analysis on the Japanese kanji writing of the town's name and found that the commonly-believed Japanese name for this half of Porta Vista was, in fact, spelled wrong. I have little reason to doubt Maxim's analysis.

:(Just for the record, by "this half of Porta Vista", I'm referring to the fact that the dub's Porta Vista is two different towns in the original. The next episode still has the gang in Porta Vista in the dub, but the original shifted the scene to a place called "Hatoba Port". This is probably due to the fact that this episode was originally skipped over.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:: No way. It was spelled wrong?!?! --[[User:Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 07:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== video ==

I managed to track down this episode.From http://www.anime-stadium.com/index.php/Ongoing-animes/pokemon.html --[[User:Echelon|Echelon]] 07:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Um, okay. That doesn't really help though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Just so let you know, if it has nothing to do with improving the article, then try not to post links in here. So why did you post this? [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 01:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

You are completey wrong.By making this episode availble to people ,people can watch it and contribute more info to this page unless everyone here managed to tape it ?if it ever aired on tv in english? so why are you interfering ? --[[User:Echelon|Echelon]] 10:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:Beleive me, i'm not interfering. I was asking why you posted that link. I never interfered with your comment or the link within your comment. Yes, I realise that it may help some new people out, thus improving the article, but just as with any other episode, people watch them online. Sure, you found the episode, but if people start posting links to everything on every episode talk page, it gets very annoying/cluttered. Just as Kenji-girl said (and now me), your comment is basicly useless. Most of us here on this wiki find the videos for the episodes ourselves without the need of assistance. -- [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 20:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

==Age of Consent==

"In the Japanese raw, Moe tells Misty that things will get fun when she's "8 years older" which implies that she's twelve (as the age of sexual consent is 20 years old in Japan). However, she stated that her age was actually 10 years old in Ash Catches a Pokémon (though he may have mistook her age). " Every source i've read says the age of consent in Japan is 13, but thats been overridden by prefectures to make the age of consent 18, including Kanto. So therefore, Moe's age comment is correct and this should be fixed. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 03:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

==Reason for ban==
I've always wondered why the entire episode was banned for just one tiny scene. Most animé "swimsuit fanservice" episodes are far worse! To me there doesn't seem to be any reason why the edits made to the eventual dubbed version couldn't have been made at the time. [[User:CNash|CNash]] 00:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Why someone ban this episode? All because there's a scene with James cross-dressing and showing an inflatable breasts! The sexual/mature content does show on this episode, making people getting unable to pass the censors. --[[User:TheShinyMew|Pokémon Turqoise is under construction!]] 01:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Page Organization ==

The edit buttons for Trivia-Dub Edits and Trivia-Errors (in that order) are next to each other. The errors button should be moved to the top. Otherwise, they should be switched.[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 20:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Air history ==

So, it was aired normally in Japan.
Parents freak out, so they postpone it in US.
3 years later, they air it as a rerun.
Am I correct?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 23:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Onix (Pokémon)

2011-12-16T23:35:34Z

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==Trivia==
Evolves in the same Gen? I'm pretty sure that Steelix was introduced in Gen. II. Or am I just misunderstanding something? --[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Blastoise]] [[User:Kkllnn|Rules!!!]] 19:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:Bruno has one in Gen II. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::The phrasing is a bit bad. Basically, that trivia item doesn't count Bruno's Onix in Gen I but does count it from after Steelix's introduction in Gen II. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I added something to that trivia. Well, I didn't do it the right way, I know that. But at least people won't be mistaken again. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::This still isn't coherent, but I can't think of a way to fix it to make it better. Anyone have good ideas? -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 23:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
== Origin ==

I was thinking, and I thought that it was more likely that onix is based on an {{wp|Earthworm}} due to it's ground attributes. What do you make of this? [[User:Bardock|3190]] 21:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Both are sectioned off; Both can move quickly underground. BUT Onix won't come out of the ground when it is raining like earthworms do. The is a connetion though. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Egg Pokemon ==

Is it interesting to note that Onix is the largest pokemon that can legally hatch from an egg?
:Go for it. But capitalize the P and accent the é or else. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== I apologize for the tons of uploads ==

My computer seems to be messing up and posting the wrong images. I'm sorry. - [[User:050294|050294]] 19:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Grammar ==
In the Special Abilities section, the sentence that starts "If Onix takes a hard enough blow and it's body falls apart," that should be "its," not "it's." The Behavior section is a run-on sentence. In the Habitat section, there seems to be a preposition missing, possibly "in."--[[User:Trebligoniqua|Trebligoniqua]] 12:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Too much useless trivia ==

Doesn't this article, among others, have some useless comparations as trivia? I mean, who cares if Onix and Swablu are the only pokémon to change their '''primary''' type when they evolve? Shouldn't it be deleted?

Sorry, first editing here, so I don't know if I should do that... [[User:Thorfinn|Thorfinn]] 22:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that's pretty important. They're the only dual-typed Pokémon to have that happen. Similar scenario with Gloom (Grass-Poison) and Bellossom (Grass). That's trivia for you. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Editing a Sprite ==

Can somebody fix the [[shiny]] sprite for [[Emerald]]?
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:26, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:What's wrong with it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== First appearance? ==

Umm, Onix first appeared in episode 1, not Showdown at Pewter City. :\ [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 03:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it's the first major appearance.
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 23:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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2011-12-16T23:31:24Z

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It needs to reflect your username more, even if it's just adding a subscripted (Mpcamel) or something to it. Thanks. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:56, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Rage (move)

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==Rage failure==

In D&P, just taught Rage to my Onix, but the Rage is failing to continue. Is it because my opponent isn't using attacking moves? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]
:And I thought some idiot would have remembered to add the [[Generation II]] modifications to this article way back when...

:Rage's effect changed in Generation II. The move is no longer continuous, and the effect won't activate if the user uses something else after using Rage. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:Ah. That makes it a lot less useful. Thanks. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

It mentioned in Gen 1, Rage actually raised Attack. Does it raise Attack in Gen 2? If so, does the user lose the boost if they stop using Rage? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

==Doduo and Dodrio==

In the Generation I movelist, it doesn't show Doduo or Dodrio as getting STAB from Rage, despite them being part-Normal type. Any reason why? [[User:Mattachu|Mattachu]]
:Thanks for the catch. I changed it :) [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Attack boost ==

As asked in another section, Does bwing hit while using rage still increase the attack stat, or does the attack only raise it's own power? {{unsigned|Kendai}}

== breeding ==

On the page, for example, it says that houndour-primeape will result in a pokemon with rage.
Does the Houndour need to know rage or the Primape need to know it?
Also, which move (if any) gets replaced with rage?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 02:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
:[[Breeding#Passing moves down]] [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. That makes sense.
How do you 'reply' (the tabbing)?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 02:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Dialga (Pokémon)

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== Most resistances ==
Hmm, Dialga does not have the most resistances, the Magnemite and its evolutions do, with one immunity and twelve resistances, two of them being doubly strong, albeit having more weaknesses. I'll make a change.

== Japanese pronunciation ==
Why do you people believe it's japanese name is "Dialga" when it's really Diaruga? Unsigned comment by {{u|IDeoxys}}
:Same thing. Dialga is the romanized version.--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 19:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:Diaruga is how it's pronounced, but the official Nintendo romanization is Dialga. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:Remember that ル is how Japanese people write "l" and "ru"; despite the fact that they are limited in writing, they pronounce "l" - just with an accent. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Capture Dialga ==

Dialga is realy hard to catch {{unsigned|23water23|12:20, 6 September 2007}}

:Dialga and Palkia are the easiest legendaries to catch. I caught my Dialga in the first turn with a Quick Ball. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:Are you kidding me?? All I had to do is change the clock to make it "night" and I caught Palkia with a Dusk Ball. Never waste your Master Ball on something like Dialga or Palkia. [[User:Dialgarules|Dialgarules]] 22:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It's funny, cuz everyone wastes their master ball on him, when you should use it on Regigigas, or Cresselia. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 20:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:I still have my masterball, I caught palkia with a pokeball (no lie, he was asleep with no health left)[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|C is for Cookie]] 20:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::From my experiance, Dialga and {{p|Palkia}} is the most easiest legendary to capture. Never, ever, ever use a Master Ball. A huge waste. [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 06:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Anybody know that Dialga and Palkia have the same catch rate as a Chatot? {{u|Uxie Legend}} 13:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I caught mine with a normal Pokéball while he was at half health and he kept on resisting my ultra balls no status problems or anything.

==Unique levels to be found at.==
This was recently removed from the trivia section on this page: "* Dialga and {{p|Palkia}} are the only two legends who's levels are not a multiple of 10. Meaning, you meet all other legends at levels 30,40,50 and so on, but those two you meet at Lv. 47."
It was removed because Kyogre and Groudon are both found at level 45. My question then is, couldn't we just change the 10 to a 5 in that quote and keep it on the page? --[[User:Ozzie|Ozzie]] 21:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Well, if the trivia item was spelled that wrong, what with "who's" instead of the correct "whose" and a "you" or two in there, I can see why it was removed. It's an interesting bit of trivia, though, that D and P are the only legends met at a level that isn't an even multiple of 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

:In platinum, Giratina will be found at level 47 aswell [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:I decided to put up the aforementioned fact about Dialga and Palkia's levels. I put it like this:
"Dialga and {{p|Palkia}} are the first legendary Pokémon to be seen at a level that is not divisible by 5, appearing at Level 47." [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 03:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing
::I changed First to only[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:I disagree with that. Like Kanjo said, Giratina will be at 47 in Platinum. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 22:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing
::Site your sources.Rayquaza was found at level 70 compared to whatever level Groudon adn Kyogre were found in ther respective games[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:::Umm....{{p|Regigigas}} in Platinum... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

==Trivia==
Here it says that Celebi can control the time, but Celebi just can TRAVEL in the time. Dialga is the only pokemon that can control the time (unless Arceus also can) --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 21:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:The only way to be able to travel through time is to control it...•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

should we mention the fact that dialga becomes primal dialga when it loses control over time in Pokémon time explorers in the trivia?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Catch Rate? ==

It says it the Trivia Section that [[Palkia (Pokémon)|Palkia]], Dialga, and [[Phione]], are the legendary that has the highest catch rate. But what about [[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shaymin]]? It has a catch rate of 45!
[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 03:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, its weird that {{p|Giratina}} is harder to catch than Dialga or {{p|Palkia}}. Weirder still, there are still other weak pokémon that is harder to catch. [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]]

It was easier for me to catch Giratina in my game than Dialga.
--[[User:Pokemonfreak|Pokemonfreak]] 12:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Origin ==

Should we put {{wp|Kan-Laon}} because it is similar to dialga --[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 07:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

: Kan-Laon is a deity of time in the {{wp|Philippine mythology}}. And yourname, {{wp|Bakunawa}} is a Philippine dragon that was said to swallow the moon! Dude, are you a Filipino? Looks like I've found a friend! Me a Filipino too! Mabuhay ang {{wp|Pilipinas}}!^_^[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 09:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::There don't seem to be ''any'' similarities besides the fact that Dialga and Kan-Laon are both time deities, so I don't see why we should.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Browser entry? ==

How is its browser entry currently unknown? Surely someone can extract it, plus Palkia and Shaymin's entries, from the game's data? Y'know, like what's done to find out base stats? I would be glad to do this, if I knew how. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Why don't wee just make [[Dialga (anime)]] and [[Palkia (anime)]] to the main sections of the anijme versions of {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}? it is impossible to have multiple creators and rulers of time and space, aswell as mutliple [[Arceus (Pokémon)|multiple creators]] of the {{pkmn|universe}}. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 09:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

:Not if they are the lords of ALL time, space, and the universe. They travel the dimensions, because they created them. You might think of alternate realities/parallell dimensions, but they created those too. And basically, you're also saying we should delete the [[Giratina (anime)]] page too because he was in one movie. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::Uhm, I think you might have misunderstood me a bit. I said that it only can be one creator each of time and space. Therefore, their situation is different from legendaries like {{p|Articuno}} or {{p|Heatran}}, as they basically have no function anywhere close to that. Sure, Heatran created [[Stark Mountain]]... but if it's more Heatrans in the anime, anyone of them can do so. Unlike Arceus, which it only can be one of - after all, he was the ORIGINAL One and created the friggin universe. According to the Sinnoh myths, which is canon in addition to official as they WAS WRITTEN by [[Game Freak]], Arceus only made ''one'' creator and ruler of time, and only ''one'' creator of space - Dialga and Palkia. And no, I have never said that we should delete Giratina (anime) because of that ridicouls reason - we having someting in the rules called [[Bulbapedia:Notability requirements|notability requirements]], which Giratina (anime) that Giratina and most other articles about movie Pokémon fits perfectly. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 18:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Dragon duo typing and appearance ==

this may be speculation but

wouldnt it make sense to put in the trivia section that Palkia and dialga's typing corresponds with the gem they have?

hard diamond has a '''steel''' hard master of time while smooth Pearl has '''water''' type considering pearls come from water

also I've noticed that palkia has some fish traits to it (the wiings look like fins) which also live in the water (palkia it'self swims through space which it controls) and dialga's dinosaur appearance can be connected to time (some of the first living creatures)

([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC))
== Based on "''Amphicoelias" fragillimus''? ==
I have no idea how people deduce that. To most people, "''Amphicoelias''" would appear as ''Diplodocus'' did in Walking With Dinosaurs, not like a brachiosaurid or something. Granted that a 45* neck angle now seems probable in most if not all sauropods, but why single out "''A''". ''fragillimus'' and not something more well known, such as good old ''Brachiosaurus'' (which i must say resembles Diagla far more). I mean, theres debate as to weather "''A''". ''fragillimus'' is even valid, so if you must use a diplodocid, why not ''Diplodocus'' itself, or perhaps even ''Apatosaurus'' (ignore the ridiculous notion that "Amphicoelias brontodiplodocus" represents all diplodocids from the morrison formation). [[User:Spinodontosaurus|Spinodontosaurus]] 20:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

Do we really need to say that day is a unit of time?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|Origami is math for the hands. -Martin Grant, MathPath]] 02:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Dialga (Pokémon)

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