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User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-02-10T20:48:02Z

MistrX: /* About the six month old discussion */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-02-10T20:46:53Z

MistrX: /* About the six month old discussion */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time?
Please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Serena (anime)

2016-02-10T17:10:17Z

MistrX: /* Clothing in the Trivia section */

==Clothing in the Trivia section==
The fact that Serena's outfit doesn't 100% match her game counterpart is not trivia-worthy (Ataro, back me up ;D). Pokemon XY introduced trainer customization, remember? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 04:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I added a note about it. But you are right, since you can customize your character the trivia is moot.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::I don't care ether way, but even if you can customize in game, Serena still has a default appearance that you have to use for a bit, and that default is the same appearance (sans hat) that she appears in if she is your rival. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:30, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::: Is it actually possible to match anime!Serena's appearance in-game? I think the pink hat might be an option, and I know the bow accessory is, but there's no version of that dress with a white collar. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Can make in the trivia, about her currently new look? about referrecing to the Trainer Costumization from the games. --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 01:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
:Also, the article states that her new hat is a [http://www.cambiaghimilano.com/immagini/pdt_fedora2345_38_1.jpg Fedora], but it looks like a [http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/images/products/medium/138899.jpg Trilby] to me. What are your opinions? [[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 17:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

==The canon crush==
Right now, we have two relationship charts that state that Serena is "very interested in" Ash, the various playing around the viewers got in the previews for [[XY013]] and we also have a picture made for Valentine's Day of the two characters. I'm not saying put this on Ash's page or or link to the [[Shipping:AmourShipping]] page, or even make it a huge part of this page. But I feel like it's a little weird that this one-sided interest not mentioned at all, not even in her Character section, where one would reasonably expect to see it. Maybe I don't remember past shipping edit wars and there's a good reason for not having it included, but I dunno. Just seems like it should be mentioned here in some way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 02:10, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Yeah I agree but I don't know whether you would put it on the trivia or her character. But it covers it pretty well in the Amourshipping article so it might not be needed here [[User:Fairycoordinator|Fairycoordinator]] ([[User talk:Fairycoordinator|talk]]) 14:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

==Setting new records in doing absolutely nothing==
I'm waiting until she actually catches something to edit it in, but out of all the protagonists that are actually trainers, I believe she's already set the record for taking longest to capture a second Pokémon. Before, the record-holder was May who took from EP001 to EP014 to catch her second, but even if we start the timer at XY004 where Serena acquired her Fennekin, and end it at the latest aired episode of XY020, Serena has already taken longer. Granted, a good number of Ash's companions had the advantage of entering the scene with two or more Pokémon, but depending on how the next few weeks go, she stands a good chance of breaking the record for taking longest to be shown capturing a Pokémon, since it looks like Iris currently holds that record of taking from BW001 to BW024. (Again, this is only among protagonists -- Team Rocket are in a league of their own in lack of accomplishments.) Is there more? I haven't looked at trainer battle statistics, but I can't remember Tracey battling any trainer who wasn't Team Rocket anyway. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 22:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
:For May, I think you meant AG001 to AG014. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
::Yes. Whoops. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 08:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

==Serena's VA==
I know that in the credits of XY23 the VA of Serena has changed because one kanji who looks like an square doesn't match with what I show in the credits. {{unsigned|Nymphia}}
:We need real proof. We can't base it by doing it by eye. So let's just wait for the official VA list. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 11:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
::I watched the episode with decent quality andand it's clearly "牧口真幸" in the credits...--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:31, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

== When is Serena gonna do something? ==

I've noticed that Serena hasn't done anything ever since she joined Ash's group. She hasn't caught any new Pokémon, she's not fighting gym battles, not competing in contests, etc. Even her goal as a trainer is unknown. The only thing she has done this whole time is just being there and making Poké Puffs. Is it trivia worthy that she is taking to longest out of all of Ash's traveling companions to do something? I mean, even Bonnie got a Dedenne after traveling with Ash. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 05:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
:No, not really. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
:: Well, technically Dedenne is not Bonnie's, It's Clemont's, She's just taking care of it. Besides. Serena has a lot going for her character. Such as AmourShipping, and not having a goal give
s her a chance to experiment with different things [[User:Waterninja12345|Waterninja12345]] ([[User talk:Waterninja12345|talk]]) 12:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== Quick Note: ==

In her Character section, it says "having not shown to either actively train her Fennekin, '''nor attempt to catch other Pokémon'''". But she HAS attempted to catch a Pokemon, a [[Corsola]] in [[XY022]]. Thanks :) [[User:Waterninja12345|Waterninja12345]] ([[User talk:Waterninja12345|talk]]) 12:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== Serena's Pancham ==

This Pancham was supposedly leaked as a figurine awhile ago, but now there are two episodes coming up- one is specifically titled "Serena's First Capture?!", and the other has a picture of Serena holding a Pancham. And they both involve Pancham. Can't we make this canon now? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 15:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
:Not until the episode in which Serena catches said Pancham actually airs, I'm afraid. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 15:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Is the hair picture really necessary? ==

I noticed someone uploaded a picture of Serena's hair when she cut it short. Is it really necessary? Because I don't think so. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
:It's an important moment in her character arc. What would you put in its place? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 15:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::Cutting her hair is important yes, but what she looks like after cutting her hair is what is important, not the hair blowing in the wind. Images of her competing in events would be much more suited for the article. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 22:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm inclined to agree with PKMNAdventurer and HM. While yes, it was a major plot point for Serena, it fails to show any sort of characterization like a picture of her in a showcase or training with a Pokémon would, which is the point of having pictures in the article is. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 00:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

== Japanese name: Serena or Selena? ==

In [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/img/chara/detail/detail_selena.jpg this official movies link]: <nowiki>http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/img/chara/detail/detail_</nowiki>'''SELENA'''.jpg, {{an|Serena}}'s name is written as "Selena". Do you know whether her trademarked Japanese name is Serena or Selena? And her game counterpart, too? Thanks for your help! --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 09:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
:URL links aren't the most reliable in finding trademarked names, since they tend to misspell certain names like ''Citron'' as ''Shitoron'' at one time. [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2015/02/150214_a01.html Here]'s one that uses ''Serena''. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 10:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
::Oh, I see! Don't 100% believe the URLs, got it. But I don't know if they want to use her English name for the code or not, for future international release maybe... Oh forget it, that's sound silly! Anyway, thank you very much (and sorry for being late)! --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 16:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Serena (anime)

2016-02-10T17:06:05Z

MistrX: /* Clothing in the Trivia section */

==Clothing in the Trivia section==
The fact that Serena's outfit doesn't 100% match her game counterpart is not trivia-worthy (Ataro, back me up ;D). Pokemon XY introduced trainer customization, remember? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 04:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I added a note about it. But you are right, since you can customize your character the trivia is moot.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::I don't care ether way, but even if you can customize in game, Serena still has a default appearance that you have to use for a bit, and that default is the same appearance (sans hat) that she appears in if she is your rival. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:30, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::: Is it actually possible to match anime!Serena's appearance in-game? I think the pink hat might be an option, and I know the bow accessory is, but there's no version of that dress with a white collar. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Can make in the trivia, about her currently new look? about referrecing to the Trainer Costumization from the games. --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 01:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
:Also, the article states that her new hat is a Fedora, but it looks like a Trilby to me. What are your opinions? [[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 17:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

==The canon crush==
Right now, we have two relationship charts that state that Serena is "very interested in" Ash, the various playing around the viewers got in the previews for [[XY013]] and we also have a picture made for Valentine's Day of the two characters. I'm not saying put this on Ash's page or or link to the [[Shipping:AmourShipping]] page, or even make it a huge part of this page. But I feel like it's a little weird that this one-sided interest not mentioned at all, not even in her Character section, where one would reasonably expect to see it. Maybe I don't remember past shipping edit wars and there's a good reason for not having it included, but I dunno. Just seems like it should be mentioned here in some way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 02:10, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:Yeah I agree but I don't know whether you would put it on the trivia or her character. But it covers it pretty well in the Amourshipping article so it might not be needed here [[User:Fairycoordinator|Fairycoordinator]] ([[User talk:Fairycoordinator|talk]]) 14:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

==Setting new records in doing absolutely nothing==
I'm waiting until she actually catches something to edit it in, but out of all the protagonists that are actually trainers, I believe she's already set the record for taking longest to capture a second Pokémon. Before, the record-holder was May who took from EP001 to EP014 to catch her second, but even if we start the timer at XY004 where Serena acquired her Fennekin, and end it at the latest aired episode of XY020, Serena has already taken longer. Granted, a good number of Ash's companions had the advantage of entering the scene with two or more Pokémon, but depending on how the next few weeks go, she stands a good chance of breaking the record for taking longest to be shown capturing a Pokémon, since it looks like Iris currently holds that record of taking from BW001 to BW024. (Again, this is only among protagonists -- Team Rocket are in a league of their own in lack of accomplishments.) Is there more? I haven't looked at trainer battle statistics, but I can't remember Tracey battling any trainer who wasn't Team Rocket anyway. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 22:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
:For May, I think you meant AG001 to AG014. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
::Yes. Whoops. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 08:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

==Serena's VA==
I know that in the credits of XY23 the VA of Serena has changed because one kanji who looks like an square doesn't match with what I show in the credits. {{unsigned|Nymphia}}
:We need real proof. We can't base it by doing it by eye. So let's just wait for the official VA list. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 11:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
::I watched the episode with decent quality andand it's clearly "牧口真幸" in the credits...--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:31, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

== When is Serena gonna do something? ==

I've noticed that Serena hasn't done anything ever since she joined Ash's group. She hasn't caught any new Pokémon, she's not fighting gym battles, not competing in contests, etc. Even her goal as a trainer is unknown. The only thing she has done this whole time is just being there and making Poké Puffs. Is it trivia worthy that she is taking to longest out of all of Ash's traveling companions to do something? I mean, even Bonnie got a Dedenne after traveling with Ash. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 05:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
:No, not really. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
:: Well, technically Dedenne is not Bonnie's, It's Clemont's, She's just taking care of it. Besides. Serena has a lot going for her character. Such as AmourShipping, and not having a goal give
s her a chance to experiment with different things [[User:Waterninja12345|Waterninja12345]] ([[User talk:Waterninja12345|talk]]) 12:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== Quick Note: ==

In her Character section, it says "having not shown to either actively train her Fennekin, '''nor attempt to catch other Pokémon'''". But she HAS attempted to catch a Pokemon, a [[Corsola]] in [[XY022]]. Thanks :) [[User:Waterninja12345|Waterninja12345]] ([[User talk:Waterninja12345|talk]]) 12:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== Serena's Pancham ==

This Pancham was supposedly leaked as a figurine awhile ago, but now there are two episodes coming up- one is specifically titled "Serena's First Capture?!", and the other has a picture of Serena holding a Pancham. And they both involve Pancham. Can't we make this canon now? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 15:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
:Not until the episode in which Serena catches said Pancham actually airs, I'm afraid. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 15:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Is the hair picture really necessary? ==

I noticed someone uploaded a picture of Serena's hair when she cut it short. Is it really necessary? Because I don't think so. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
:It's an important moment in her character arc. What would you put in its place? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 15:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::Cutting her hair is important yes, but what she looks like after cutting her hair is what is important, not the hair blowing in the wind. Images of her competing in events would be much more suited for the article. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 22:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm inclined to agree with PKMNAdventurer and HM. While yes, it was a major plot point for Serena, it fails to show any sort of characterization like a picture of her in a showcase or training with a Pokémon would, which is the point of having pictures in the article is. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 00:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

== Japanese name: Serena or Selena? ==

In [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/img/chara/detail/detail_selena.jpg this official movies link]: <nowiki>http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/img/chara/detail/detail_</nowiki>'''SELENA'''.jpg, {{an|Serena}}'s name is written as "Selena". Do you know whether her trademarked Japanese name is Serena or Selena? And her game counterpart, too? Thanks for your help! --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 09:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
:URL links aren't the most reliable in finding trademarked names, since they tend to misspell certain names like ''Citron'' as ''Shitoron'' at one time. [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2015/02/150214_a01.html Here]'s one that uses ''Serena''. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 10:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
::Oh, I see! Don't 100% believe the URLs, got it. But I don't know if they want to use her English name for the code or not, for future international release maybe... Oh forget it, that's sound silly! Anyway, thank you very much (and sorry for being late)! --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 16:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:EP128

2013-04-17T17:22:48Z

MistrX: /* English Dub Goof */ new section

Was 4Kids critizing itself in that episode?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:Probably. Although Eric Stuart ( James's voice actor ) might of snuck that in there, but I doubt he could say that backwards. [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 19:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::It was probably just a joke at their reputation in online fandoms. Unless you think they are actually admitting to being the devil. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

::The first step is admitting you have a problem. [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] 18:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

== Interesting to note ==

This is the first time Ash has ever taken out a Pokemon while being trapped in a net. Other times, all three characters wait for things to resolve and be saved from the net by their Pokemon. Maybe it's just me but I think Ash is a little stupid for not doing this in previous episodes. --[[User:Hoaxygen|Hoaxygen]] 08:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 09:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Error in the trivia section? ==

I believe the line on Jessie's chest is just the whistle strap. Can anyone confirm this?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ampharos cacturne}} ([[User talk:Ampharos cacturne|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ampharos cacturne|contribs]]) ''

==Eric Stuart stuff again==
Eric Stuart's subliminal message ''is'' confirmed, and many people, including myself, have tried reversing the gibberish personally. Eric indeed says "Leo Burnett and 4Kids are the devil! Leo Burnett-" only to be stopped by Victribel's screams. I believe this should be added to the article because it ''is'' confirmed, and why do you say it's not notable? Come on, Brock and James guy trying to mock 4Kids for no apparent reason, and then couple of years later getting[[Pokémon USA recasting controversy#Eric Stuart | very angry when PUSA took over]] seems pretty notable. [[User:Mutak94|////Mutak\\\\]] ''([[User talk:Mutak94|Talk]])'' 07:20, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:The thing that sucks is that the only way to cite it is to link to a video of it... and that's not gonna get us fans at Nintendo HQ. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:10, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::It's still an opinion. People claim they saw UFOs and photos but does the government recognize it as fact? No. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I can reserve just about any line, and make The King wonder why there's no money in the fridge for instance. Point is, you're always going to get something different when someone reverses the lines, and it's completely coincidental that this happens to sound like that. Voice actors are paid to recite what's directly on their lines, not make subliminal messages that can ONLY be found out if someone reverses the lines, which are coincidental anyway. This is not note-worthy at all. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 08:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::::So, use [http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/ Audacity] and see for yourself. This subliminal messages, unlike others, can really be heard. It' not like the ones where you hear "saat-uh" and think you hear "satan", Eric really seems like he was saying that. {{unsigned|Mutak94}}
:::::No thank you. It is still a pure coincidence, regardless of how clear or unclear it is. It is not notable at all to be put on this wiki. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 08:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'd say it's coincidental if he said something irrational and unrelated to the subject, '''''regardless of how clear or unclear it is''''', for example "My computer jumped tomorrow" or "Table bugs are the best". However, [[Eric Stuart | he]] mentions 4Kids and some guy who advertised Nintendo. His sentence is completely related to [[Pokémon | the subject]] [[User:Mutak94|////Mutak94\\\\]] ''([[User talk:Mutak94|Talk]])'' 09:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's actually quite obvious, if you actually open up Audacity and reverse it. I don't know how it isn't notable how not just the voice actor, but also (possibly) the writers and several others involved decided to put in a shoutout, however negative, to 4kids and the "father" of advertising using cartoons. To say that it isn't confirmed and then to not listen is kind of backwards. As was said before, this isn't the ridiculous kind of backward message where if you listen to "Another One Bites the Dust" backwards it kind of barely says "It's fun to smoke marijuana." This was quite obviously put in by the dubbers. [[User:Girog|Girog]] 01:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Just what I was talking about. [[User:Mutak94|////Mutak94\\\\]] ''([[User talk:Mutak94|Talk]])'' 08:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Link to video showing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlIcJbbm08&feature=related It's irritating if moderators, not only don't consider putting in legitimate evidence, but don't even look into it. And it's legitimate, as when the clip is played forwards, James sounds like he's talking backwards (those little scratching sounds prove this) and when played forwards, it doesn't sound like it's being played backwards, and sounds perfectly clear. And, no, it does not mean it's a coincidence only because it was found when playing it backwards. That's a generalization and an assumption.--{{unsigned|LD1808}}
::::::::::<strike>Oh those douchebad moderators. They're ruining the wiki.</strike> I think it can go up, actually. The uploader is an affiliate of ours; I trust that it isn't doctored in any way. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::So, can we put this information to the trivia or not? I would like to see it there, but if some higher authorities (= some notable Bulbapedia users) say no, I'll not put it there (put I would ''really'' like to see it there). --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 13:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also think this should be added --[[User:Nintendo Mad|Nintendo Mad]] 19:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree; we should add it, and it should stay until someone can tell us what he says normally (00:35-00:37).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So, can we add it in to the article? --[[User:Nintendo Mad|Nintendo Mad]] 10:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::My two cents on it is to add it, since when listened forwards, it DOES sound like gibberish, unlike many of the more dubious backmaskings. The only way it makes sense is to listen backwards. I just did that without even finding this article beforehand, and I don't go around reversing everything. --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 09:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I just want to add that Eric Stuart explained it recently at a convention "They weren't paying him for their commercials" or something. (Dont know if he was being serious though.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYkZBDkMf04 [[User:Datonyp1|Datonyp1]] 11:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:Hey, this thing is pretty notable ''and'' confirmed (there are videos proving that there is a message), at least if you ask from me. Couldn't we put something like: "When James's voice is played backwards when he's bitten by Victreebel, he's heard saying "Leo Burnett and 4Kids are the devil! Leo Burnett..."", and add nothing to it, like what Eric Stuart might be "trying" to tell? That sounds pretty neutral to me. Please consider the possibility. I think this is too important thing to be left unmentioned. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 13:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

== English Dub Goof ==

Hi guys, I noticed that there is a little goof somewhere in the third minute of the episode.
After Brocks imitation of Ash his Pokédex both Ash and Misty gaze at him for being in his Womanizing mode. Misty will frown and reply: "Here we go again" but two seconds before that you can see Ash his mouth moving but not saying anything.

How do you guys see this scene?

Kind regards, [[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 17:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)