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In-game trade

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MicManGuy:

In-game trade

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MicManGuy:

Talk:Bulbasaur (Base Set 44)

2019-05-11T03:09:20Z

MicManGuy: Top Image for the page is of the Reprint instead of the Original

This page erroneously shows the "reprint1" picture instead of "image" picture.

I don't know how to solve this. Seems like this is the kind of back-end error that could be on any number of other tcg pages.

[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 03:09, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Poké Pelago

2017-10-26T13:13:44Z

MicManGuy: /* Maximum number of Poke Beans */ new section

== Name Origin ==

Most of this is obvious but I figure we should add it anyway-

Poké Pelago comes from archipelago

Isle Abeens, when said aloud, is identical to "Isle o' Beans" which is what it is, Isle Aphun is the same case as Abeens but it is "Isle o' Fun", and Isle Evelup is also the same but "I'll Level Up" or "Isle Level Up"

--[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Isle Aplenny is "Isle o' Plenty" and Isle Avue is "I Love You", as well. {{unsigned|disallowances}}

== Hot Spring Isle function revealed ==

In this official [https://youtu.be/ZbUtFZ55qew?t=429 video from Nintendo] where Junichi Masuda and Shigeru Ohmori talked about their Top 5 favorite things from Alola, Junichi Masuda revealed that the final unknown island (the hot spring island) can be used to hatch Pokemon eggs. {{unsigned|Aozora210}}

== Items in Isle Aphun ==

Items/rewards available from each mission:

Odd-Shard Hunting
Blue Shard, Green Shard, Red Shard, Yellow Shard, Hard Stone, Revive, Star Piece

Brilliant Stone Hunting
Dawn Stone, Dusk Stone, Fire Stone, Float Stone, Hard Stone, Ice Stone, Leaf Stone, Moon Stone, Oval Stone, Shiny Stone, Sun Stone, Thunder Stone, Water Stone

Rare-Treasure Hunting
Big Pearl, Pearl, Pearl String, Hard Stone, Rare Bone, Big Nugget, Gold Bottle Cap, Comet Shard

Interesting-Item Hunting
Blue Shard, Green Shard, Red Shard, Yellow Shard, Revive, Star Piece, Dawn Stone, Dusk Stone, Fire Stone, Float Stone, Hard Stone, Ice Stone, Leaf Stone, Moon Stone, Oval Stone, Shiny Stone, Sun Stone, Thunder Stone, Water Stone, Big Pearl, Pearl, Pearl String, Rare Bone, Big Nugget, Gold Bottle Cap, Comet Shard {{unsigned|Moretacos}}

== Assuming equal priority ==

Wowy: Re [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9_Pelago&diff=2576397&oldid=2576363 this]. How is "assuming equal priority" confusing? It is ''not'' more efficient if one already has all the Pokemon they use in battle maxed out on affection and Pokebeans are used primarily for developing islands. Your wording is misleading and requires nuance. If you don't like the way I nuanced it, how would you prefer it be worded? [[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 00:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
:I kind of think that addition was confusing also, but it was also confusing beforehand. It's been edited now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:57, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
::Yeah, the current wording solves my initial concern, but now it might have gone too far in the other direction. As far as I know, the Poke Pelago is the main way to get beans, so ''if'' Refresh is a priority then it ''isn't'' more efficient to trade in rainbow beans, since for Refresh the more rainbow beans the better. It may be that the indentation means that the whole point is meant to be read in light of ''Having Poké Beans inside the box on an island...'', but that isn't really clear. [[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 01:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
:::The point makes no reference to Refresh. The point only talks about Poke Pelago. It doesn't need to talk about Refresh. People can decide on their own if they want to use Beans there instead. There is no objective comparison to make between them otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:55, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
::::I was just about to say the same thing (but got an edit conflict instead :)) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 02:01, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Meh. I guess if it doesn't explicitly claim that it's more efficient to use them for one or the other of developing islands or Refresh (which is how I read it at first) the there's no serious problem. I might have been biased in favour of mentioning that we are assuming Refresh is not a higher priority because the article as I first read it ''did'' make this assumption without explicitly stating so. [[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 03:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

== Experience in Isle Evelup ==

I just put pokemon through one play session on Isle Evelup at its second stage; the gain was 150 experience. I was going to edit the table to reflect that, but I'm not familiar with the format of the edit page and I'm not sure which line is which box in the table. Can someone either let me know, or make the edit themselves?
[[User:Deepforest01|Deepforest01]] ([[User talk:Deepforest01|talk]]) 19:31, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
:Added. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 21:44, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

== Exact encounter rates ==

Can we use [https://pastebin.com/zpGeSxgZ ScireM's calculations]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:25, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Isle Aplenny quotes ==
Somewhere on the article, can we list all the possible messages that can appear when a Pokémon on Isle Aplenny is selected? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
: It is provided on the [[Mohn]] article. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 11:30, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

==Shiny Encounters==
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShinyPokemon/comments/6m0u37/gen_vii_unexpected_shiny_lapras_from_pokemon/ Someone on Reddit confirmed] that it is possible for Pokémon who can be caught on the Pelago to be Shiny. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 10:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== Maximum number of Poke Beans ==

There is a fairly low limit to how many beans you can hold. You can hold 255 Rainbow Beans, 1785 Patterned Beans, and 1785 Plain Beans. 255 is obviously "2^8" (including zero). But the reason for it being the limit is more likely because it is the largest 2 decimal hex number: "FF." 1784 is just 7x more than that. 1784 = 255*7 => FF*7 = 6F9. I imagine that the F between the 69 is just a happy coincidence. [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 13:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Category talk:TM moves that all Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn

2017-09-16T08:42:15Z

MicManGuy: /* Missing Moves */

==Name==
This needs a much shorter name. Can we get ideas and opinions here? Maybe something like "Universal TM moves"? I know it's not quite 'universal', but I think it'd still be understood. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::how about "TMs All PKMN can learn" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 22:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'll have to agree with Universal. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::"Moves learnable by anything compatible with TMs", how's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::how about "PKMN that can learn all TMs" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 23:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Pokémon that can learn all TMs? You mean Mew? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 23:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Either "Universal TM moves" or just "TM moves that all Pokémon can learn" would probably work; then just add a sentence to the article text explaining that the list doesn't apply to Pokémon that can't learn '''any''' TM moves? '''[[Special:Contributions/ShiningSteelix|***]][[User talk:ShiningSteelix|shiningSteelix***]]''' 23:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::For the purposes of this discussion, please treat "PKMN" as "Pokémon". The shorthand "PKMN" will not be used in a category name. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::A vote perhaps? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 23:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly how do you want to vote? On PKMN, or a different issue? If it's the former, it's not happening. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::By what name you pefer here's a way we could do it [[User:MAGNEDETH/Notability|here]] [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 00:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I also agree with "Universal TM moves" like werdnae said. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm starting to favor "Universal TM moves" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 16:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I think I would have to agree with ShiningSteelix. "TM moves all PKMN can learn" is more self explainable. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 19:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:What's the hold up on this move? [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']] 05:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:Why isn't anyone moving this? '''--'''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']]'''--''' 16:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

== Moves ==

I think it's worth noting Rest and Protect, with only Regigigas not being able to learn it. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 00:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Not really. Regigigas can learn TMs, but not Protect or Rest; ergo, to categorize either move as a move that anything that learns TMs can learn would be misleading. It's already noted in {{m|Rest|the}} {{m|Protect|respecti}}{{p|Regigigas|ve articles}} anyway. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::It's not really that misleading, seeing as Regigigas is such a rare Pokémon. But, whatever. {{unsigned|LimeGreenCharizard}}

==Missing Moves==

There are many moves that are strangely absent from this page:
*Toxic
*Double Team
*Substitute
*Hidden Power
*Frustration
*Return
*Swagger
*Sleep Talk
*Facade
*Secret Power
*Round
*Secret Power
*Confide

[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 06:09, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
:Magearna/Tapu Bulu/yes/Pyukumuku/Pyukumuku/Drampa and Guzzlord/Magearna/a whole 8 of Alola Pokemon for some reason/yes/Honedge line/Pyukumuku (you mean Hidden Power)/Guzzlord. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:47, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
::If I understand your meaning, Yes. They are Noteworthy TMs excepted from this category. That's my point. That's why they should be mentioned in that segment on this page. [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 08:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Eridanus is pointing out that not ''all'' Pokémon can learn them, so they don't belong in a category for moves that ''all'' Pokémon can learn.
:::IMO, while that is correct and should be the standard as long as the page stays at its current title... I think the growing number of "pseudo-universal" TMs is a strong indicator that we should probably rename this category to "TM moves that ''nearly'' all Pokémon can learn" or something like that. Of course, that would have to go through the staff first. I'll add a move suggestion template to get the staff's attention. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but did you guys not even look at the page? This page already has a section for that: "Noteworthy TMs excepted from this category:" It lists things like Attract, Captivate and Double-Edge. The additional moves should go there. [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 08:42, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Category talk:TM moves that all Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn

2017-09-12T08:46:49Z

MicManGuy: /* Missing Moves */

Category talk:TM moves that all Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn

2017-09-11T06:53:49Z

MicManGuy: /* Missing Moves */

Category talk:TM moves that all Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn

2017-09-11T06:25:28Z

MicManGuy:

==Name==
This needs a much shorter name. Can we get ideas and opinions here? Maybe something like "Universal TM moves"? I know it's not quite 'universal', but I think it'd still be understood. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::how about "TMs All PKMN can learn" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 22:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'll have to agree with Universal. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::"Moves learnable by anything compatible with TMs", how's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::how about "PKMN that can learn all TMs" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 23:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Pokémon that can learn all TMs? You mean Mew? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 23:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Either "Universal TM moves" or just "TM moves that all Pokémon can learn" would probably work; then just add a sentence to the article text explaining that the list doesn't apply to Pokémon that can't learn '''any''' TM moves? '''[[Special:Contributions/ShiningSteelix|***]][[User talk:ShiningSteelix|shiningSteelix***]]''' 23:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::For the purposes of this discussion, please treat "PKMN" as "Pokémon". The shorthand "PKMN" will not be used in a category name. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::A vote perhaps? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 23:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly how do you want to vote? On PKMN, or a different issue? If it's the former, it's not happening. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::By what name you pefer here's a way we could do it [[User:MAGNEDETH/Notability|here]] [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 00:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I also agree with "Universal TM moves" like werdnae said. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm starting to favor "Universal TM moves" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 16:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I think I would have to agree with ShiningSteelix. "TM moves all PKMN can learn" is more self explainable. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 19:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:What's the hold up on this move? [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']] 05:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:Why isn't anyone moving this? '''--'''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']]'''--''' 16:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

== Moves ==

I think it's worth noting Rest and Protect, with only Regigigas not being able to learn it. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 00:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Not really. Regigigas can learn TMs, but not Protect or Rest; ergo, to categorize either move as a move that anything that learns TMs can learn would be misleading. It's already noted in {{m|Rest|the}} {{m|Protect|respecti}}{{p|Regigigas|ve articles}} anyway. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::It's not really that misleading, seeing as Regigigas is such a rare Pokémon. But, whatever. {{unsigned|LimeGreenCharizard}}

==Missing Moves==

Return, Frustration, and Swagger are strangely absent from this page [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 06:09, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Category talk:TM moves that all Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn

2017-09-11T06:09:29Z

MicManGuy:

==Name==
This needs a much shorter name. Can we get ideas and opinions here? Maybe something like "Universal TM moves"? I know it's not quite 'universal', but I think it'd still be understood. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::how about "TMs All PKMN can learn" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 22:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'll have to agree with Universal. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::"Moves learnable by anything compatible with TMs", how's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::how about "PKMN that can learn all TMs" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 23:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Pokémon that can learn all TMs? You mean Mew? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 23:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Either "Universal TM moves" or just "TM moves that all Pokémon can learn" would probably work; then just add a sentence to the article text explaining that the list doesn't apply to Pokémon that can't learn '''any''' TM moves? '''[[Special:Contributions/ShiningSteelix|***]][[User talk:ShiningSteelix|shiningSteelix***]]''' 23:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::For the purposes of this discussion, please treat "PKMN" as "Pokémon". The shorthand "PKMN" will not be used in a category name. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::A vote perhaps? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 23:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly how do you want to vote? On PKMN, or a different issue? If it's the former, it's not happening. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::By what name you pefer here's a way we could do it [[User:MAGNEDETH/Notability|here]] [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 00:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I also agree with "Universal TM moves" like werdnae said. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm starting to favor "Universal TM moves" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 16:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I think I would have to agree with ShiningSteelix. "TM moves all PKMN can learn" is more self explainable. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 19:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:What's the hold up on this move? [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']] 05:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:Why isn't anyone moving this? '''--'''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']]'''--''' 16:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

== Moves ==

I think it's worth noting Rest and Protect, with only Regigigas not being able to learn it. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 00:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Not really. Regigigas can learn TMs, but not Protect or Rest; ergo, to categorize either move as a move that anything that learns TMs can learn would be misleading. It's already noted in {{m|Rest|the}} {{m|Protect|respecti}}{{p|Regigigas|ve articles}} anyway. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::It's not really that misleading, seeing as Regigigas is such a rare Pokémon. But, whatever. {{unsigned|LimeGreenCharizard}}

==Swagger==

Swagger is strangely absent from this page [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 06:09, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon by catch rate

2014-03-30T14:34:52Z

MicManGuy: /* Kalos Pokémon with the same catch rate */

The Japanese Blue page mentions that the catch rates were adjusted between Red/Green and Blue--which I'm assuming means the rates we have now are the Blue ones, since the base of our Red/Blue games was the Japanese Blue. Does anyone have any data on catch rates for the first 151 in the original Red/Green? If so, shouldn't the differences be noted here? [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 01:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:If Red and Green have unique catch rates from the rest of the series, I think that shouldn't clutter this article but instead be compiled into a separate article, with its link on this article. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:Should Missingno. be on this list? Being a glitch and all, it's catch rate dosn't really concern most people.
::No, because it's not a Pokémon. It's a glitch. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So, it can be removed? How do you find out the catch rate of a glitch anyway? -[[User:PokemonTrainer7738]]
::::Dunno. Who thinks arceus should have catch rate of 1? -[[User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]] Lieks [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Mudkipz]] 19:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Good question, I dunno. I imagine that it's in the data, since Missingno. is filler, but I do think it ought to be removed. This is a list of ''Pokémon'' by catch rate, not a list of Pokémon and programming oversights that mimic them by catch rate. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If Arceus had a catch rate of 1 or 2, it'd be possible for Master Balls to fail on it, especially when its HP is full. [[User:Kyoukipichi|Kyoukipichi]] 06:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Should Dialga have such a low catch rate, I caught mine with a Quick Ball. '''[[User:Deemack199725|Deemack199725]]''' 04:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Uncatchable Pokemon ==

I'm curious what makes some Pokemon, such as the ghost Marowak from gen 1, unable to be caught. Do they have a catch rate of 0, or is there some other determining factor? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:If they had a catch rate of 0, the ball would simply never shake. Instead, they dodge the ball completely, indicating that there is some other factor. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 15:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::The Marowak ghost is treated as if it's a trainer's Pokémon. They probably use the same coding, seeing as you cannot catch it nor Pokémon belonging to other trainers. This logic makes sense to me, so I'll stick to it. [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 09:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Fully Evolved Catch Rate ==

Okay, in the Trivia Section it says Watchog is the only fully evolved Pokemon with a catch rate of 255. But, wouldn't you count Maractus and all those who are not able to evolve from or into a Pokemon, as fully evolved?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 09:55, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

== Kalos Pokémon with the same catch rate ==

I checked Serebii that there are Kalos Pokémon with the same catch rate (like Bunnelby's evolved form Diggersby has a catch rate of 255) so we need to check its catch rate on each Kalos Pokémon's pages so are they confirmed? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

: Yeah that doesn't seem right at all. A lot of the Bulbapedia pages say "0" for catch rate as well. So it looks like it's all very unfinished. How would one go about determining these? I don't suppose there's an official guide or somewhere I can copy them from, is there? -- [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 14:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon by catch rate

2014-03-30T14:34:25Z

MicManGuy: /* Kalos Pokémon with the same catch rate */

The Japanese Blue page mentions that the catch rates were adjusted between Red/Green and Blue--which I'm assuming means the rates we have now are the Blue ones, since the base of our Red/Blue games was the Japanese Blue. Does anyone have any data on catch rates for the first 151 in the original Red/Green? If so, shouldn't the differences be noted here? [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 01:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:If Red and Green have unique catch rates from the rest of the series, I think that shouldn't clutter this article but instead be compiled into a separate article, with its link on this article. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:Should Missingno. be on this list? Being a glitch and all, it's catch rate dosn't really concern most people.
::No, because it's not a Pokémon. It's a glitch. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So, it can be removed? How do you find out the catch rate of a glitch anyway? -[[User:PokemonTrainer7738]]
::::Dunno. Who thinks arceus should have catch rate of 1? -[[User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]] Lieks [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Mudkipz]] 19:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Good question, I dunno. I imagine that it's in the data, since Missingno. is filler, but I do think it ought to be removed. This is a list of ''Pokémon'' by catch rate, not a list of Pokémon and programming oversights that mimic them by catch rate. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::If Arceus had a catch rate of 1 or 2, it'd be possible for Master Balls to fail on it, especially when its HP is full. [[User:Kyoukipichi|Kyoukipichi]] 06:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Should Dialga have such a low catch rate, I caught mine with a Quick Ball. '''[[User:Deemack199725|Deemack199725]]''' 04:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Uncatchable Pokemon ==

I'm curious what makes some Pokemon, such as the ghost Marowak from gen 1, unable to be caught. Do they have a catch rate of 0, or is there some other determining factor? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:If they had a catch rate of 0, the ball would simply never shake. Instead, they dodge the ball completely, indicating that there is some other factor. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 15:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::The Marowak ghost is treated as if it's a trainer's Pokémon. They probably use the same coding, seeing as you cannot catch it nor Pokémon belonging to other trainers. This logic makes sense to me, so I'll stick to it. [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 09:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Fully Evolved Catch Rate ==

Okay, in the Trivia Section it says Watchog is the only fully evolved Pokemon with a catch rate of 255. But, wouldn't you count Maractus and all those who are not able to evolve from or into a Pokemon, as fully evolved?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 09:55, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

== Kalos Pokémon with the same catch rate ==

I checked Serebii that there are Kalos Pokémon with the same catch rate (like Bunnelby's evolved form Diggersby has a catch rate of 255) so we need to check its catch rate on each Kalos Pokémon's pages so are they confirmed? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

: Yeah that doesn't seem right at all. A lot of the Bulbapedia pages say "0" for catch rate as well. So it looks like it's all very unfinished. How would one go about determining these? I don't suppose there's an official guide or somewhere I can copy them from, is there?[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 14:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::The ice is confirmed to be fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Non-icy B2W2 ==

Has any such map yet been released? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Nationality ==

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. In BW2 Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'm parsing that as "Everyone (in Sinnoh), says I'm a wrestler from abroad", not "Everyone (here) says I'm a wrestler from abroad. It really doesn't say much of anything about say anything about the closeness of Unova to other places. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 14:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah but he's not in Sinnoh. He's in Unova when he says that. If Sinnoh is really "abroad" relative to Unova, it wouldn't just be a gimmick, it'd actually be true. --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 16:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::The ice is confirmed to be fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Non-icy B2W2 ==

Has any such map yet been released? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Nationality ==

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. In BW2 Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'm parsing that as "Everyone (in Sinnoh), says I'm a wrestler from abroad", not "Everyone (here) says I'm a wrestler from abroad. It really doesn't say much of anything about say anything about the closeness of Unova to other places. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 14:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah but he's not in Sinnoh. He's in Unova when he says that. If Sinnoh is really "abroad" relative to Unova, it would be true. --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 17:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::The ice is confirmed to be fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Non-icy B2W2 ==

Has any such map yet been released? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Nationality ==

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. In BW2 Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'm parsing that as "Everyone (in Sinnoh), says I'm a wrestler from abroad", not "Everyone (here) says I'm a wrestler from abroad. It really doesn't say much of anything about say anything about the closeness of Unova to other places. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 14:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah but he's not in Sinnoh. He's in Unova when he says that. If Sinnoh is really "abroad" relative to Unova, it would be true. --[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 16:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::The ice is confirmed to be fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Non-icy B2W2 ==

Has any such map yet been released? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Nationality ==

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. In BW2 Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'm parsing that as "Everyone (in Sinnoh), says I'm a wrestler from abroad", not "Everyone (here) says I'm a wrestler from abroad. It really doesn't say much of anything about say anything about the closeness of Unova to other places. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 14:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah but he's not in Sinnoh. He's in Unova when he says that. If Sinnoh is really "abroad" relative to Unova, it would be true. [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 16:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::The ice is confirmed to be fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Non-icy B2W2 ==

Has any such map yet been released? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Nationality ==

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? --[[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Unova

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::The ice is confirmed to be fake. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Non-icy B2W2 ==

Has any such map yet been released? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Nationality ==

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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{{MovieInfobox|
|colorscheme=Kanto
|entitle=Mewtwo Strikes Back
|jatitle=ミュウツーの逆襲
|rotitle=Mewtwo's Counterattack
|poster=Movie 1 poster.png
|jpprem=July 18, 1998
|usprem=November 12, 1999
|jpvid=February 12, 1999
|usvid=March 21, 2000
|enop=[[Pokémon Theme]]
|ened=[[We're a Miracle]] [[(Hey You) Free Up Your Mind]] [[If Only Tears Could Bring You Back]] [[Don't Say You Love Me]]
|jaop=[[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master|めざせポケモンマスター]]
|jaed=[[Together With the Wind|風といっしょに]]
|usrating=G
|ukrating=PG
|carating=PG
|qurating=?
|irrating=PG
|aurating=G
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'''Pokémon the First Movie - Mewtwo Strikes Back''' (Japanese: '''ミュウツーの{{tt|逆襲|ぎゃくしゅう}}''' ''Mewtwo's Counterattack'', officially ''Mewtwo Strikes Back!'' in Japan) is the first [[Pokémon movie]]. It debuted in Japanese theaters on July 18, 1998, and then made its way to North American theaters on November 12, 1999.

''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' was shown with the [[Pikachu shorts|Pikachu short]] movie ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]''.

==Other posters and logos==
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Pikachu the Movie 1 poster.png|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
File:M01Japanese.png‎|Final ''Mewtwo's Counterattack'' movie poster
File:Pokemon the first movie.jpg|English theatrical poster
File:M01Mewtwo Mew.png|Poster featuring Mewtwo and Mew
File:Japanese M01 Logo.png|''Mewtwo's Counterattack'' logo
File:M01 Logo.png|''Pokémon the First Movie'' logo
</gallery>

==Synopsis==
{{spoilers}}
[[Dr. Fuji]], wanting to find a way to restore life by cloning, leads an expedition to [[Guyana]] after finding evidence of a shrine dedicated to {{p|Mew}}, the world's most powerful—but now said to be extinct—Pokémon. {{an|Giovanni}}, the leader of [[Team Rocket]], funds Fuji's research in return for an enhanced, living replica of Mew. Finding a Fossil of Mew, Fuji and his team create {{an|Mewtwo}}. A confused Mewtwo asks itself who it is, what it is, and where it came from. Just then, Mewtwo wakes up in a stasis tube in one of Fuji's laboratories, where the scientists study it. Mewtwo breaks out of its test tube; [[Dr. Fuji]] tells Mewtwo that it was made by humans and is a clone of, but much more powerful than Mew. Mewtwo is angry that the scientists see it more as an end result to their project and less of a sentient being, so it destroys the lab and kills all of the scientists. Dr. Fuji says to himself that he succeeded in creating the world's most powerful Pokémon before dying at the hands of Mewtwo. Then, Giovanni arrives in his private helicopter and offers to help Mewtwo focus its powers. Mewtwo takes up the offer, and is put in a suit of armor.

Over the next few weeks, Mewtwo does most of Team Rocket's dirty work, capturing wild Pokémon and beating any {{pkmn|Trainer}} that challenges the [[Viridian Gym]], including [[Gary Oak]]. When Giovanni tells Mewtwo his own twisted way of controlling Pokémon, Mewtwo angrily blasts away, destroying its armor, and vows from atop the island it was created on to begin its reign on Earth.

Meanwhile, {{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} are preparing for lunch until a [[Raymond|Pokémon Trainer]] shows up and challenges Ash, who is happy to oblige. With his {{AP|Bulbasaur}}, {{AP|Squirtle}}, and Pikachu, Ash easily beats the Pokémon Trainer. What he doesn't know is that he's being watched, not only by Team Rocket, but by a mysterious third party. [[Jessie]], [[James]], and {{MTR}}, who were also watching the battle, don't have any food and watch hungrily as the gang eats Brock's cooking. Suddenly, a {{p|Dragonite}} flies in with a letter for Ash and his friends. It projects a hologram of a mysterious woman who tells the Trainers to head to [[Old Shore Wharf]] in order to get to an island fortress called [[New Island]].

Later, as a storm brews, the gang arrive at the [[Pokémon Center]], whose [[Nurse Joy]] has been missing for quite a while. [[Officer Jenny]] informs the Trainers gathered that the ferry to New Island has been cancelled. {{mov|Miranda}}, the pier master tells them that she has lived on the pier all her life and that the current storm is the fiercest she's ever seen. She then tells a story to everyone present about how some people died in a storm many years ago, however legend has it that the tears of a Pokémon restored the people to life.

Soon, most of the other Pokémon Trainers—ignoring Jenny and Miranda's warnings—take off for New Island. Ash and the gang are eager to follow, but none of their Pokémon are strong enough to handle the giant waves. Team Rocket, under disguise, give Ash and the gang a boat ride. Later, Team Rocket's disguise was uncovered. However, the storm proves too much for them, and as the strong wind and waves hit against the boat, it capsized and everyone was sent into the ocean. The gang saved themselves by using Ash's {{AP|Squirtle}} and Misty's {{TP|Misty|Staryu}} to get all the way to New Island.

As the heroes barely arrive at New Island, the mystery woman from the hologram letter greets them and takes them to the dining room to meet the other Trainers who arrived safely. Brock says that she looked familiar, however, the woman denies it and shows them to the castle.

Meanwhile, as Team Rocket try to get inside the fortress, the legendary Mew senses something troubling and arrives at New Island, and follows closely behind Team Rocket.

As they arrive in the dining room, Ash and the gang meet three Pokémon Trainers named [[Neesha]], [[Fergus]], and [[Corey]]. Just then, the mystery woman introduces everybody in the room to her master, who is revealed to be none other than Mewtwo. Fergus insults Mewtwo, who sends him flying. Fergus has his {{p|Gyarados}} attack with {{m|Hyper Beam}}, but Mewtwo easily reflects it. Then, Mewtwo releases the woman from its power, Brock quickly catches her, and it is revealed that the mystery woman is the missing Nurse Joy. Mewtwo tells the Trainers that humans are weak and cruel, and have made all Pokémon their slaves. It also says that Pokémon are no better off, since they choose to associate with humans.

As Team Rocket get into the fortress and make their way into a laboratory, they come across a weird-looking machine, a computer, and several Pokémon sleeping in giant pods. Jessie accidentally sits on the computer controls, which play back a recorded message from Dr. Fuji about the fossilized eyelash of Mew that was used to create Mewtwo. Suddenly, the machine takes a piece of hair from Meowth to create a clone of him. Summoned by Mewtwo, the cloned Pokémon awaken and exit to their master.

Mewtwo leads Ash and the other Trainers into the stadium part of the fortress and suggests that they should battle Pokémon to see who is the strongest, the clones versus the originals. Ash's {{AP|Charizard}}, Corey's {{p|Venusaur}}, and Neesha's {{p|Blastoise}} are no match for Mewtwo's clones. Mewtwo then summons its own specialized [[Poké Ball]]s, the Clone Balls, and uses them to capture Charizard, Venusaur and Blastoise, claiming them as its prize. Mewtwo then announces that the other Pokémon will be taken to be cloned. The clones will remain safe on the island while Mewtwo's storms destroy the planet. Mewtwo then sends the Balls after the Pokémon.

Immediately, all the Trainers are on the run. Some Pokémon are captured before they realize what's happening, some attempt to outrun the Clone Balls and some attempt to use their attacks to defend themselves. However, it proves to be useless as nearly all the Pokémon end up being captured one by one. Ash deduces that Pokémon inside their Poké Balls should be safe from capture and recalls {{AP|Bulbasaur}} and {{AP|Squirtle}}. However, it turns out to be no use, as the Clone Balls instead capture the Poké Balls whole with Bulbasaur and Squirtle still inside. Brock suggests carrying the Pokémon away, but while Misty successfully hides {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} inside her bag, {{TP|Misty|Psyduck}} and {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}} aren't so lucky and are also caught.

{{AP|Pikachu}} is the only Pokémon still uncaptured, and as a result he's now the only target of the Clone Balls. Ash uses his body to block them, giving Pikachu a chance to run. Pikachu heads towards a nearby suspended staircase and uses {{m|ThunderShock}} to take out a few of the Clone Balls. Ash follows him up the staircase. Pikachu is forced to use his ThunderShock every few seconds, which in combination with constantly being on the run, leaves him exhausted. As a result, Pikachu is forced off the staircase while dodging the Balls, falling a long way. Ash jumps off after Pikachu to protect him, but before he can grab his friend, a Clone Ball finally manages to capture Pikachu. Ash grabs the Ball before he falls into the pool of water at the base of the staircase, and loses his grip on it underwater. Ash follows it, out of the pool, and towards the entrance to the laboratory where Team Rocket is.

The same machine that cloned Meowth earlier is now processing all of the Clone Balls, and Ash grabs the one Pikachu is in just as the machine does as well. Fighting against the machine's many arms, Ash eventually manages to get the Clone Ball away, destroying the machine in the process. Pikachu is released from the Clone Ball and shakes himself off. Happily, he reunites with Ash, but the clones are now freed from their stasis tubes, prepared to join Mewtwo. The remaining Clone Balls are released from the machine in an explosion, and all open to free the Pokémon inside, including Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and their Poké Balls.

Mewtwo releases the other humans and is soon joined by its clone army. Ash emerges from the smoke with his and every Trainer's Pokémon and proclaims that they won't let Mewtwo's plan succeed. He tries to punch Mewtwo, but Mewtwo's force field knocks him down. Ash goes in for another punch, but this time Mewtwo sends him flying at a high point of the castle. Ash is saved from the blow by a large, pink bubble. The legendary Pokémon Mew comes onto the scene, having created the bubble that protected Ash. The playful Pokémon is soon targeted by a {{m|Shadow Ball}} from its clone, Mewtwo, who says that clones are far more powerful than the originals. Mew communicates with Mewtwo that a Pokémon's real strength comes from the heart, which is translated by Meowth. Disgusted, Mewtwo throws another Shadow Ball at Mew, who dodges it, but the blast hits Ash. With Mewtwo blocking all the Pokémon's special moves, a widespread melee begins between the Pokémon and their clones.

Ash survives the blast, but is horrified to see all the Pokémon fighting their clones, especially Pikachu getting slapped endlessly by his [[Pikachutwo|clone]]. He eventually falls back down to the stadium floor, prompting Misty, Brock, and Nurse Joy to come to his aid. They see now how horrible this kind of fighting is, and that the originals and clones will never give up, resulting in their deaths. Ash realizes someone has to take a stand and refuse to fight, like Pikachu is.

As Team Rocket also look on in horror, Meowth talks with his clone about how, no matter how different people are, they all share a lot in common on this planet.

Just as Mew and Mewtwo are emanating large auras of psychic energy in preparation for their most powerful energy blasts, Ash, angered by the continuous fighting, runs between them, demanding them to stop. The two blasts of energy strike with Ash in the crossfire, and due to the magnitude of concentrated power, Ash is turned to stone.

The stadium becomes silent, save for Pikachu, who runs to Ash's side. After trying to wake him up, Pikachu uses his Thunderbolt in vain, as Ash stays unmoving. Pikachu begins to cry at losing his friend, as do the rest of the Pokémon in the stadium due to Ash's sacrifice. The tears of all the Pokémon come together and magically revive Ash, bringing him back to life just like in the story Miranda told earlier.

After witnessing all of this, Mewtwo states that it does not matter who is more powerful, that the clones and originals both have value, and that the circumstances of one's birth is irrelevant: it is what one does with life that determines one's destiny. Mewtwo also says that it would be best if no one knew about what happened. When Mewtwo flies off, it tells Ash that it will find a place where it and the clones can live in peace. As a result, all of the memories of this event are erased from the Trainers' minds.

Ash, Misty, Brock, and everyone else instantly find themselves back at the Pokémon Center with no memory of their adventure on New Island. Nurse Joy is also back, offering shelter from the storm. Going out to the pier, Ash sees Mew in the clouds as the storm ends and tells Misty and Brock that [[EP001|when his journey began]] he saw a {{an|Ho-Oh|mysterious Pokémon}}, and now he believes he just saw another. Misty thinks that Ash was just imagining it, but Brock points out that maybe he wasn't. With that, the three friends prepare to continue their journey.

Meanwhile, Team Rocket, on the now-empty and green New Island and with no clue how they got here, decide to take a vacation as the credits begin to roll.
{{endspoilers}}

==Major events==
===Debuts===
* {{p|Mewtwo}}
* {{p|Mew}}
* {{p|Alakazam}}
* {{p|Donphan}}
* {{p|Nidoqueen}}
* {{p|Seadra}}
* {{p|Golduck}}

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Gary Oak]] (cameo)
* {{an|Giovanni}}
* [[Dr. Fuji]]
* [[Nurse Joy]]
* [[Officer Jenny]]
* [[Neesha]]
* [[Fergus]]
* [[Corey]]
* {{mov|Miranda}}
* [[Raymond]]
* Announcer
* {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s
* Other [[Pokémon Trainer]]s
* {{an|Amber}} ([[The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin|Japanese home video release only]])

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
* {{p|Charizard}} ({{OP|Ash|Charizard}})
* {{p|Squirtle}} ({{OP|Ash|Squirtle}})
* {{p|Staryu}} ({{OP|Misty|Staryu}})
* {{p|Psyduck}} ({{OP|Misty|Psyduck}})
* {{p|Vulpix}} ({{OP|Brock|Vulpix}})
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})
* {{p|Nidoking}} ({{Gary}}'s)
* {{p|Arcanine}} ({{OP|Gary|Arcanine}})
* {{p|Persian}} ({{OP|Giovanni|Persian}})
* {{p|Donphan}} ([[Raymond]]'s)
* {{p|Machamp}} ([[Raymond]]'s)
* {{p|Golem}} ([[Raymond]]'s)
* {{p|Venomoth}} ([[Raymond]]'s)
* {{p|Pinsir}} ([[Raymond]]'s)
* {{p|Gyarados}} ([[Fergus]]'s)
* {{p|Seadra}} ([[Fergus]]'s)
* {{p|Nidoqueen}} ([[Fergus]]'s)
* {{p|Golduck}} ([[Fergus]]'s)
* {{p|Tentacruel}} ([[Fergus]]'s)
* {{p|Vaporeon}} ([[Fergus]]'s)
* {{p|Pidgeot}} ([[Corey]]'s)
* {{p|Scyther}} ([[Corey]]'s)
* {{p|Hitmonlee}} ([[Corey]]'s)
* {{p|Venusaur}} ([[Corey]]'s, Bruteroot)
* {{p|Sandslash}} ([[Corey]]'s)
* {{p|Rhyhorn}} ([[Corey]]'s)
* {{p|Dewgong}} ([[Neesha]]'s)
* {{p|Wigglytuff}} ([[Neesha]]'s)
* {{p|Blastoise}} ([[Neesha]]'s, Shellshocker)
* {{p|Vileplume}} ([[Neesha]]'s)
* {{p|Ninetales}} ([[Neesha]]'s)
* {{p|Rapidash}} ([[Neesha]]'s)
* {{p|Fearow}} ({{an|Mewtwo}}'s)
* {{p|Dragonite}} ({{an|Mewtwo}}'s)
* {{p|Tauros}} ({{tc|Team Rocket Grunt|Team Rocket Grunts'}}; new; multiple)
* {{p|Onix}} (unnamed {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s)
* {{p|Alakazam}} (unnamed {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s)
* {{p|Magneton}} (unnamed {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s)
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ([[Dr. Fuji]]'s, Bulbasaurtwo; [[The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin|Japanese home video release only]])
* {{p|Charmander}} ([[Dr. Fuji]]'s, Charmandertwo; [[The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin|Japanese home video release only]])
* {{p|Squirtle}} ([[Dr. Fuji]]'s, Squirtletwo; [[The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin|Japanese home video release only]])
* {{p|Mewtwo}} ({{an|Mewtwo|anime}})
* {{p|Mew}} ([[Mew (M01)|movie]])

====Pokémon seen with Trainers waiting for the ferry to New Island====
* {{p|Caterpie}}
* {{p|Weedle}}
* {{p|Raticate}}
* {{p|Spearow}}
* {{p|Ekans}}
* {{p|Raichu}}
* {{p|Sandshrew}}
* {{p|Nidorino}}
* {{p|Vileplume}}
* {{p|Venonat}}
* {{p|Growlithe}}
* {{p|Poliwhirl}}
* {{p|Bellsprout}}
* {{p|Slowpoke}}
* {{p|Drowzee}}
* {{p|Kingler}}
* {{p|Electabuzz}}

====Mewtwo's [[cloning|cloned]] Pokémon====
* {{p|Venusaur}}
* {{p|Charizard}}
* {{p|Blastoise}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Pikachutwo]])
* {{p|Bulbasaur}}
* {{p|Squirtle}}
* {{p|Psyduck}}
* {{p|Vulpix}}
* {{p|Meowth}}
* {{p|Gyarados}}
* {{p|Seadra}}
* {{p|Nidoqueen}}
* {{p|Golduck}}
* {{p|Tentacruel}}
* {{p|Vaporeon}}
* {{p|Pidgeot}}
* {{p|Scyther}}
* {{p|Hitmonlee}}
* {{p|Sandslash}}
* {{p|Rhyhorn}}
* {{p|Dewgong}}
* {{p|Wigglytuff}}
* {{p|Vileplume}}
* {{p|Ninetales}}
* {{p|Rapidash}}

==Cast==
{{cast/h|Kanto}}
{{cast|Kanto|Ash Ketchum|disp=Ash|Veronica Taylor|Satoshi|Rica Matsumoto|サトシ|松本梨香|top=yes}}
{{cast|Kanto|Ash's Pikachu|disp=Pikachu|Ikue Ohtani|Pikachu|Ikue Ohtani|ピカチュウ|大谷育江}}
{{cast|Kanto|Misty (anime)|disp=Misty|Rachael Lillis|Kasumi|Mayumi Iizuka|カスミ|飯塚雅弓}}
{{cast|Kanto|Misty's Togepi|disp=Togepi|Satomi Kōrogi|Togepi|Satomi Kōrogi|トゲピー|こおろぎさとみ}}
{{cast|Kanto|Brock (anime)|disp=Brock|Eric Stuart|Takeshi|Yūji Ueda|タケシ|うえだ　ゆうじ}}
{{cast|Kanto|Jessie|Rachael Lillis|Musashi|Megumi Hayashibara|ムサシ|林原めぐみ}}
{{cast|Kanto|James|Eric Stuart|Kojirō|Shin'ichirō Miki|コジロウ|三木眞一郎}}
{{cast|Kanto|Meowth (Team Rocket)|disp=Meowth|Maddie Blaustein{{!}}Addie Blaustein|Nyarth|Inuko Inuyama|ニャース|犬山イヌコ}}
{{cast|Kanto|Mewtwo (anime)|disp=Mewtwo|Phillip Bartlett|Mewtwo|Masachika Ichimura|ミュウツー|市村正親}}
{{cast|Kanto|Mew (M01)|disp=Mew|Kōichi Yamadera|Mew|Kōichi Yamadera|ミュウ|山寺宏一}}
{{cast|Kanto|Corey|Ted Lewis{{!}}Ed Paul|Sorao|Tōru Furuya|ソラオ|古谷徹}}
{{cast|Kanto|Neesha|Lisa Ortiz|Sweet|Aiko Satō|スイート|佐藤藍子}}
{{cast|Kanto|Fergus|Carter Cathcart{{!}}Jimmy Zoppi|Umio|Wataru Takagi|ウミオ|高木渉}}
{{cast|Kanto|Raymond|Maddie Blaustein{{!}}Addie Blaustein|Raymond|Raymond Johnson|レイモンド|レイモンドジョンソン}}
{{cast|Kanto|Nurse Joy|Megan Hollingshead|Joy|Ayako Shiraishi|ジョーイ|白石文子}}
{{cast|Kanto|Officer Jenny|Lee Quick|Junsar|Chinami Nishimura|ジュンサー|西村ちなみ}}
{{cast|Kanto|Miranda (movie)|disp=Miranda|Kayzie Rogers|Voyager|Sachiko Kobayashi|ボイジャー|小林幸子}}
{{cast|Kanto|Dr. Fuji|Maddie Blaustein{{!}}Addie Blaustein|Dr. Fuji|Yōsuke Akimoto|フジ博士|秋元羊介}}
{{cast|Kanto|Giovanni (anime)|disp=Giovanni|Ted Lewis{{!}}Ed Paul|Sakaki|Hirotaka Suzuoki|サカキ|鈴置洋孝}}
{{cast|Kanto|Narrator|disp=Narration|Rodger Parsons{{!}}Ken Gates|Narration|Unshō Ishizuka|ナレーション|石塚運昇|bottom=yes}}
|}

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Pokémon the First Movie (soundtrack)}}

==Trivia==
* The first anime special, ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'', is a sequel to this movie.
* Several [[moves]] were used by Pokémon in this movie that were not yet available in the games. {{an|Mewtwo}} used {{m|Shadow Ball}}, the clone {{p|Blastoise}} used {{m|Rapid Spin}}, and Raymond's {{p|Donphan}}, itself a Pokémon not available yet, used {{m|Rollout}}.
* Of the Pokémon seen in the movie, only Misty's {{TP|Misty|Togepi}}, Misty's {{TP|Misty|Staryu}}, Jessie's {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}}, and James's {{TP|James|Weezing}}, were not captured and cloned by Mewtwo. Misty hid her {{p|Togepi}} in her bag, while Staryu, Arbok, and Weezing were not released from their Poké Balls during the gathering.
** Though Mewtwo owned a cloned Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise, they were not the clones of the same Pokémon owned by the Trainers on the island. They were supposedly cloned from Pokémon Mewtwo had previously acquired himself. Despite this, all three of the Trainers' Pokémon were captured by Mewtwo anyway.
*** Although from a strategic standpoint, this may have been done in order to prevent the three from interfering with the capture of the other Pokémon.
*** However, Mewtwo indicated his wish to populate the new world with his clones; thus the three may have simply been acquired for genetic stock purposes. The benefits of having genetic material from multiple {{wp|Genetic Variation|unrelated sources}} would help prevent {{wp|inbreeding|genetic defects}} and result in a more successful {{wp|breeding program}}.
* Despite numerous mentions and hints that Charizard, as well as its pre-evolution forms, will die if the flame on their tail goes out; both the Charizard clone and Charizardtwo were submerged in liquid with no visible flame while in their incubation chambers.
* Some of the Pokémon on the poster didn't appear in the actual movie itself.
* This is the only movie that does not feature Ash on the English cover. However, Pikachu does appear.
* The movie was re-released on DVD in Japan and contained the Japanese and English audio tracks along with the complete ''Origin of Mewtwo'' short.
* The home video release of the film had a trailer of [[M02|the second movie]] and came with [[Mewtwo (Wizards Promo 14)|a free trading card]].
* ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]'' has the first appearances of the {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} {{p|Snubbull}} and {{p|Marill}}, and the feature film is the first appearance of {{p|Donphan}}.
* During [[EP063]]-[[EP065]], scenes of Mewtwo breaking out of the lab and battling at the Viridian Gym can be seen. Furthermore, the film used footage of [[Gary Oak]] battling Mewtwo. The director's commentary jokes that they had to get a "stand-in" for Gary because his agent was asking for too much.
* This movie marks the only time in the anime that {{AP|Pikachu}} is shown going ''into'' a [[Poké Ball]], and only the second time he has come out of one (the other being in ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'').
* This is the second time Ash dies and then comes back to life, the first being in ''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]''.
* This movie and ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'' are the only Pokémon movies to feature all of their generation's [[version mascot]]s. {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, {{p|Pikachu}}, and {{p|Venusaur}} are all present in this movie, while {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}} are present in the twelfth movie.
[[File:Corey Fearow.png|thumb|150px|The female Trainer leaving for New Island on a Fearow]]
* Other than Corey, Fergus, and Neesha, a female fourth Trainer takes off from the pier on the back of a Fearow. She is seen flying alongside Fergus and Neesha and their Gyarados and Dewgong respectively. She likely never made it to New Island, unlike the others.
** This female Trainer and her Fearow are often mistaken as a continuity error involving Corey and his Pidgeot.
** Corey's Pidgeot continues to be shown as a Fearow while traveling to New Island.
* This movie is the only Pokémon material to be given a release on LaserDisc. It was packaged with the ''Pikachu's Vacation'' short.

===Errors===
[[File:Flameless Rapidash.png|right|thumb|200px|Flameless Rapidash]]
* Early in the film, Ash engages in a battle with another Trainer. The opponent's Golem, a {{2t|Rock|Ground}}-type Pokémon, was defeated by an {{type|Electric}} attack from Pikachu. In the games, Ground types are immune to Electric-type attacks.
* In the English dub, three Pokémon are referred to by the wrong name. {{p|Pidgeot}} was called {{p|Pidgeotto}}, {{p|Scyther}} was called {{p|Alakazam}}, and {{p|Sandslash}} was called {{p|Sandshrew}}. In the audio commentary, [[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] stated that they decided to leave the Alakazam error when they noticed it as something for the children watching to notice and because they felt it was plausible in context that Team Rocket could make a mistake.
* When Fergus releases his Gyarados into the water to ride on its back, its lips are blue instead of yellow.
* When Jenny's hat flies off, Miranda's loop-style earrings are completely colored in.
* When Fergus runs over to his injured Gyarados, his {{p|Nidoqueen}} has the color scheme of a {{p|Nidoking}}.
* During the scene in which Ash confronts Mewtwo, {{p|Rapidash}} was seen without flames. This was fixed in later releases.
* During the scene in which Ash is looking at Fergus's Pokémon, his Japanese voice can be heard over the voice of the Pokémon.
* On the DVD scene selection, {{p|Togepi}} is listed as Pokémon {{p|Chikorita|#152}}.
* About 28:45 (DVD release) into the movie, Ash's pupils are entirely brown instead of black with brown near the bottom part of the eye.
* Fergus states that all of his Pokémon are {{t|Water}} types, but he also has a Nidoqueen, a Poison/Ground-type Pokémon.
* Mewtwo is colored pink while it is creating the storm.
* When the clones enter with an explosion and emerge from the smoke, Pikachutwo's black-tipped ears are the same as a normal {{p|Pikachu}} and Golduck is a green-teal instead of blue.
* Despite Mewtwo cloning Fergus's Seadra, it is not seen battling its clone, yet is still seen flying off with the other clones at the end.
* Despite Mewtwo blocking the Pokémon's special abilities, when Pikachu comes across Pikachutwo, the clone can be seen with jolts coming out of its cheek pouches.
** However, the Japanese dialogue says nothing about the Pokémon's abilities being blocked, and they simply brawl out of pure hatred.

===Dub edits===
* During the battle between the Pokémon and their clones, the music that plays in the background is different in both versions: the Japanese version plays instrumental music very softly, while the English version plays ''[[Brother My Brother]]''.
* When Pikachu is repeatedly shocking Ash to try to bring him back to life, Misty says "Pikachu..." in the Japanese version, and "Please, no..." in the English version. A commentary revealed that the dubbers had many alternatives for this piece of dialog, one of them being, "My [[Bicycle#Trivia|bike]]..."
* In the {{pmin|France|French}} dub of the movie, Misty's Staryu does not make a sound when it is released from its Poké Ball. In all other versions of the film, Staryu's "voice" can be heard twice.
* Some scenes detailing the history of Mewtwo's creation, a full twelve-minute sequence, were added to later Japanese home releases of the movie, which also included the CGI edits made for the American release. The first scene centered around a group of explorers who found an ancient engraving of Mew and later its eyelash (the only part that was included on the American VHS/DVD release of the movie). The second detailed the history of [[Dr. Fuji]] and his attempts to clone Mew, as well as {{an|Amber|his daughter}}, who had died as a child. The final scene detailed a young Mewtwo's telepathic interaction with clones of the [[Kanto]] starters as well as Amber Fuji. Certain later international releases of the movie include these new scenes, and they were also made into a short known as ''[[The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin]]'', included on the international DVD releases of ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]''. These scenes were adapted from the radio drama ''[[The Birth of Mewtwo]]''.
* Giovanni denies that Mewtwo's armor is meant to suppress its powers in the dub, stating that it is rather meant to "focus" them. It is stated outright in the original Japanese that the armor is meant to suppress the bulk of its powers.
* Miranda's story about the power of Pokémon tears to revive people exists in the English version only.
* In the Latin American dub, Corey was referred to as [[Gary Oak]].
* When Team Rocket are disguised as Vikings, Brock comments that he wasn't aware that they existed anymore. Ash replies that they mostly live in {{wp|Minnesota}}, which is an obvious reference to the {{wp|National Football League|NFL}} team, the {{wp|Minnesota Vikings}}.
** In the Danish version, Brock says '''{{tt|Jeg vidste ikke vikingerne stadig fantes.|I didn't know that the Vikings still existed.}}''', and Ash replies '''{{tt|Jo, men de turnere mest i Sverige.|Yes, but they are mostly touring in Sweden.}}''' This is probably because at the time the vikings existed, the Danes were also Vikings.
*** In the Japanese version's Danish subtitles, Ash says '''{{tt|Vikingerne er et band.|The Vikings is a band.}}''' The Vikings is an old Swedish band, which is probably what Ash and Brock are referring to.
** In the Swedish dub, Brock says '''{{tt|Jag visste inte att vikingar fortfarande existerade.|I didn't know that the Vikings still existed.}}''', and Ash replies '''{{tt|Jo, men de hänger mest i Norge.|Yes, but they mostly hang out in Norway}}'''. This being that real Vikings existed in both Sweden and Norway.
* Raymond's Machamp is shown coming out of its Poké Ball twice.
* In the English version, when Meowth complains about his hunger, Jessie takes out a frying pan and states that she could cook something, to which Meowth replies "Thanks, but the last time you cooked, you took out eight of my nine lives." In the Japanese version of this scene, Jessie simply points out that she's got a frying pan, to which Meowth replies that it is simply an iron pan, and therefore nothing to eat.

===CGI edits made for the American theatrical release===
* In the wide shot of Mewtwo facing Dr. Fuji, who is explaining to it how it was created, two large test tubes were shown positioned on either side of the screen in front of the characters and magnifying them. These were pushed off to the edge of the screen in the newer version of the film.
* When Mewtwo is being suited up into Giovanni's armor, Giovanni is shown to be covered in shadow (much like his first appearances in the anime). In the newer version the scene was changed so he could be seen better, probably because his identity in the anime had already been revealed in ''[[EP063|Battle of the Badge]]''.
* A CGI panning effect was added to the Gym floor when Giovanni has Mewtwo battle a Trainer's {{p|Onix}}.
* When Mewtwo first summons the storm, the shadow color on its hand is changed from purple to pinkish-red.
* Mew floating up to the surface of the water in a bubble was completely re-animated.
* Throughout the film, the original hand-drawn clouds of Mewtwo's storm are replaced with more realistic-looking CGI clouds. The water in the storm is also altered to have different shades of blue.
* Mewtwo's castle is changed from hand-drawn to CGI.
* The shot of the big doors opening was replaced with CGI doors. When the door closes in front of Ash, the scene now pans all the way back to Team Rocket facing the door when it was originally a {{wp|Dissolve (filmmaking)|dissolve}}.
* Another CGI panning effect was added for the shot when Rhyhorn is charging towards Mewtwo.
* The big reveal of Mewtwo's stadium was rendered into CGI.
* The scene with Ash walking forward with all the rescued Pokémon was altered to have them fade into sight. In the original, they were drawn as black silhouettes slowly walking outward through the smoke and their bodies interacted with it more. This was also seen in the US trailer of ''Pokémon the First Movie''.
* When Ash is looking down at the Pokémon fighting their clones, they were all originally drawn as silhouettes.
* The tears of life from the Pokémon were changed to CGI.

====Scenes added to later home releases of the movie====
<gallery>
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 1.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 2.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 3.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 4.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 5.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 6.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 7.png
File:Movie 1 Deleted Scene 8.png
</gallery>

====Scenes edited from original release====
<gallery>
File:M01_comparison_1.png‎|Large test tubes moved
File:M01 comparison 2.png|Reanimation Mew in the bubble
File:M01_comparison_3.png|Big doors replaced with CGI doors
File:M01_comparison_4.png|Hand-drawn clouds replaced with CGI clouds
</gallery>

== In other languages ==
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==External links==
*[http://webspace.webring.com/people/ds/spookymeggie/vidi.html An article about the Japanese edits]
*[[wp:Pokémon:_The_First_Movie|Wikipedia article]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190641/ ''Pokémon: The First Movie'' at IMDb]
*[http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/18584/ZMLZ-102/Pocket-Monster-(Pokemon):-Mewtwo-Strikes-Back-amp;-Pikachu-'s-Summer-Vacation-(1998) ''Pokémon: The First Movie'' LaserDisc Release]
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Talk:Delia Ketchum

2013-04-16T07:34:52Z

MicManGuy: /* Delia's Husband */

== Second paragraph ==

Rewrote the second paragraph--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 03:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Simplified part of the 2nd paragraph. 'Unthought' is a word, I looked it up.--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 15:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Novel==

Don't suppose anyone has a translation of that novel? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

I have just found an English translation of the novel. Here's the address [http://web.archive.org/web/20030430011300/sekichiku.freehosting.net/ep_novta_04.htm]

Does anyone know what the novel is called?
The Novel is called "Pocket Monsters: The Animation". [[User:Ninja Hanako|Ninja Hanako]] 09:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mimey's sprite ==

Wow Taviource! Mimey's sprite is hilarious! Great Job--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks. I figured that by giving him squinty eyes, it would make him more clownish. What else should I make?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wobuffet in that dress and wig in Claydol Big and Tall--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::Nah, Wobuffet only wears that once, so it isn't necessary to dress him up in his sprite.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Dark Celebi?--21:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Why in the world do we need that sprite? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 13:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Age ==

Where was her age in the novel? All I saw was the "18" at the end along with "newborn child". And that's a bit young for having a child... I just don't see how she would be only 29 and Ash is about 14 or 15 (anime chronological time). [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:Ages in the anime don't seem to change. And also, wouldn't she be 28? Unless he's 11 in the novel? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 03:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Since pregnancies last 9 Months typically, it's likely that she had a birthday while pregnant.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Electic Tale of Pikachu ==

Why don't we have a section for her in it? I'd do it myself, but I've never read that manga...[[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:From what I heard, she's not in it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 18:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
::She's in 3 pages. Lunick v sonela 14:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Does she actually do anything? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::::She tells Ash to catch Pikachu and cleans up. Lunick v sonela 13:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well then, we need a picture, and if you have access to the pages, then you can write as much as possible about her. Either that or somebody else can do it if you don't have it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::I scaned it onto mangafox (but I messed up)so I've already scanned some images. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 15:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Cool. Thanks. Put them up when you're ready. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
== Delia Ketchum in Isshu? ==
I watched one of the previews for Pokemon best wishes, and it looks like Delia is in Isshu with ash for a time. Any way we can add this... no it is not speculation. I saw the preview on Youtube. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 17:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, please update the image of info box, with the eyes of Gen IV style, please --[[User:Ash Ketchum Chile|Ash Ketchum Chile]] 13:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Spell of the Unown==

I don't know enough about this to do it myself, but shouldn't there be a section about her major role in ''Spell of the Unown''? [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 01:00, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
:I personally wouldn't be against it, but we should probably see what {{u|Kenji-girl}} says. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

::Sounds good. I'd write the section myself, but I don't know enough about the anime to write anything significant. It's one of those things I watch occasionally, although I've seen ''Spell of the Unown'' several times. [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 01:35, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

== Delia's Husband ==

I think the American version might have taken some liberty with regards to Ash's father, saying "You're the apple of his eye, he'll be so proud." (the only words implying his existence?) But the original Japanese seems to be more ambiguous. She merely states that it took his father 4 whole days. She also says that even black hens lay white eggs. (Not sure if the "black hen" is Ash or his father) When Ash moans she tells him that with an attitude like that, he could never surpass his father or even his grandfather. So as far as I can tell (I don't speak Japanese) he could be dead for all we know. [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 07:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Delia Ketchum

2013-04-16T07:29:49Z

MicManGuy: /* Delia's Husband */ new section

== Second paragraph ==

Rewrote the second paragraph--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 03:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Simplified part of the 2nd paragraph. 'Unthought' is a word, I looked it up.--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 15:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Novel==

Don't suppose anyone has a translation of that novel? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

I have just found an English translation of the novel. Here's the address [http://web.archive.org/web/20030430011300/sekichiku.freehosting.net/ep_novta_04.htm]

Does anyone know what the novel is called?
The Novel is called "Pocket Monsters: The Animation". [[User:Ninja Hanako|Ninja Hanako]] 09:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mimey's sprite ==

Wow Taviource! Mimey's sprite is hilarious! Great Job--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks. I figured that by giving him squinty eyes, it would make him more clownish. What else should I make?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wobuffet in that dress and wig in Claydol Big and Tall--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::Nah, Wobuffet only wears that once, so it isn't necessary to dress him up in his sprite.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Dark Celebi?--21:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Why in the world do we need that sprite? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 13:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Age ==

Where was her age in the novel? All I saw was the "18" at the end along with "newborn child". And that's a bit young for having a child... I just don't see how she would be only 29 and Ash is about 14 or 15 (anime chronological time). [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:Ages in the anime don't seem to change. And also, wouldn't she be 28? Unless he's 11 in the novel? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 03:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Since pregnancies last 9 Months typically, it's likely that she had a birthday while pregnant.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Electic Tale of Pikachu ==

Why don't we have a section for her in it? I'd do it myself, but I've never read that manga...[[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:From what I heard, she's not in it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 18:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
::She's in 3 pages. Lunick v sonela 14:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Does she actually do anything? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::::She tells Ash to catch Pikachu and cleans up. Lunick v sonela 13:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well then, we need a picture, and if you have access to the pages, then you can write as much as possible about her. Either that or somebody else can do it if you don't have it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::I scaned it onto mangafox (but I messed up)so I've already scanned some images. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 15:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Cool. Thanks. Put them up when you're ready. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
== Delia Ketchum in Isshu? ==
I watched one of the previews for Pokemon best wishes, and it looks like Delia is in Isshu with ash for a time. Any way we can add this... no it is not speculation. I saw the preview on Youtube. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 17:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, please update the image of info box, with the eyes of Gen IV style, please --[[User:Ash Ketchum Chile|Ash Ketchum Chile]] 13:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Spell of the Unown==

I don't know enough about this to do it myself, but shouldn't there be a section about her major role in ''Spell of the Unown''? [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 01:00, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
:I personally wouldn't be against it, but we should probably see what {{u|Kenji-girl}} says. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

::Sounds good. I'd write the section myself, but I don't know enough about the anime to write anything significant. It's one of those things I watch occasionally, although I've seen ''Spell of the Unown'' several times. [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 01:35, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

== Delia's Husband ==

I think the American version might have taken some liberty with regards to Ash's father, saying "You're the apple of his eye, he'll be so proud." (the only words implying his existence?) But the original Japanese seems to be more ambiguous. She merely states that it took his father 4 whole days. She also says that even black hens lay white eggs. (implying that Ash's father was a failure?) When Ash moans she tells him that with an attitude like that, he could never surpass his father or even his grandfather. So as far as I can tell (I don't speak Japanese) he could be dead for all we know. [[User:MicManGuy|MicManGuy]] ([[User talk:MicManGuy|talk]]) 07:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC)