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Talk:Shadow Triad

2012-01-08T04:29:16Z

Mewtwo777:

==Masks in the Manga==
Just to get this off {{u|CoolPikachu!}}'s talk page. The Shadow Triad wear masks in the manga that are based on {{p|Pansage}}, {{p|Panpour}}, and {{p|Pansear}}'s facial markings (just above their mouths). There seems to be some disagreement on whether this should be added or not. I feel it's as notable (and obvious) as [[Colosseum Leader Marina|Marina]] wearing a {{p|Kyogre}} costume, or [[Carny]] being based on {{p|Carnivine}}. Should this be added? If so, should it be considered trivia, or part of the main section for the manga? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:I agree that it's notable. Nobody can say that it could be pure coincidence. And don't we always mention clothing resembling Pokémon? Like Colosseum Leaders, [[Fantina]], [[Riley]], {{FB|Palace Maven|Spenser}}, [[Zero]], {{mov|Bianca}} and many others.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::Same here. Just look at this image for reference (Please ignore the Striaton Gym Leaders. This image was made to make fun of the whole "Chili, Cress, and Cilan being the ST" rumor. I am only using this to make the connection of the masks and the monkey's faces). [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
[http://i.imgur.com/a93EC.png]
:::But there's nothing to relate them to the elemental monkeys, meaning there's no proof of a relation and until there is, it should be treated like a coincidence (because it's not fact, it's an observation). The Colosseum leaders are ''blatantly'' cosplaying, everyone else is in some way related to the pokémon they're more subtly resembling, and nothing connects the monkeys to the Triad (yet) while we're accused of supporting the Triad = triplets theory (which we're shouldn't be speculating anyway, much to my heartbreak), because until the third game comes out, it's still very much a theory. It's trivia until there's evidence it isn't a coincidence, because it's not important (yet). ...Don't say I don't think it is; I'm pretty sure it's on purpose. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::::[http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18728196/Triad%20monkey%20shading.png Just for fun], I noticed the shading of the masks is the same as the monkeys fur (Panpour is a bit lighter though). If they were black masks, they'd all just be a solid black (like how their clothes are) so it's completely possible that their masks are colored red, blue, and green. If a colored picture of them is released, and they are colored, are we still going to say it's coincidence? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::::We aren't trying to say that they are ''based'' on them, as Dennou Zenshi pointed out on PsychicRider's talk. We are not trying to say they are related. And we certainly are not trying to say that they are the Striaton Gym Leaders. Those would be opinions. All we want to say is that the patterns are identical. I don't think this automatically should relate to speculation and opinion by stating an obvious fact that the masks look like the monkey's face patterns. If the Striaton Gym Leaders didn't use these Pokémon I bet this wouldn't even be an issue.

::::Of course, IMO, they do have one thing in common with the monkeys that people seem to be ignoring. There are three monkeys and there's three of them. So... it's not that strange to think that they may have been based on them. But again, my opinion and it shouldn't be incorporated in the article. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Why can't I mention that their appearence has changed? I'm sure changes like that are supposed to be notable (Aloe, Rosie, Girafarig, Charmander etc.) and it's not really so minor change after all.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 04:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
::I don't want to sound like if I'm forcing the theory but I believe that if the page was coloured they would be Blue, Red and Green respectively because the artist used the same type of Screentone than in the monkeys. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 06:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I think the style of the masks changing is something quite important which should be noted. The masks were originally plain and now they vary in shape. They now resemble the face patterns on the elemental monkeys. It is the same shape—that is not an opinion. That is all that needs to be noted, that the shape is the same. To use this as evidence for anything else—such as claiming that the triad owns the monkeys—would be an opinion, but the fact that they are the same shape is just plain fact. I'm willing to accept that it could a co-incidence, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't note it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
::::^ I 105% agree, and that's exactly what I've been telling CP & others. It's much more notable than things like "Riley has a Groudon-patterned necklace" or "Lapras had small teeth in Gen I". In fact, the Triad's case is a combination of two notable facts: their appearence has changed and their clothing resembles Pokémon. That's why it should definitely be added.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
So, is there anyone who's still opposing to add it as trivia despite of above reasons? And if there is, why?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:56, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Take The Player to N or Ghestis? ==

Im not sure how to word this so I'm just gonna say it. They never really "take" or "bring" anyone anywhere. Every single time they show up, they do the same thing: Push you in the direction you were already going. I think this is an important distinction between what they do and what the page says they do.

But as I said above, I have no idea how to word this in any way that doesnt make it sound incredibly silly. But it is what happens! [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] 00:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is a push, but an escort. You're surrounded by ninjas, so you go where they want you to go. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

== Manga Appearance ==
They look kinda like Mello from Death Note in the manga

Mello:[http://images.wikia.com/deathnote/images/6/6a/Mello_Child.JPG] [[Media:Shadow Triad Adventures.png]]
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Caterpie (Pokémon)

2011-04-12T23:32:05Z

Mewtwo777: /* Name Origin */

does anybody have a caterpie emerald shiny picture, or should I upload a stationary one?[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] 05:24, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

==Rōmaji==

On this wiki, most Pokémon pages have the trademarked Romanization, rather than the Rōmaji. So, Japanese "Caterpie" is actually supposed to be "Kyatapī". Can someone please change this? Or sometwo? Or somemore? I'll work on it also. Sincerely, [[User:Jayt55|Jét55]]
:Er, you're confused in both intent and wording. Yes, we use the trademarked Romanization, ''not'' the Rōmaji. "{{p|Meowth|NYARTH}}" is what shows up on Japanese merchandise, not "Nyāsu," so we use Nyarth.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, okay. Sorry! --[[User:Jayt55|Jayt55]] 14:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Since it seems this can confuse some users, why not put both? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 20:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nah. I'd bet only a few know katakana, and you're only the second or third user to bring this up.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 20:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Just one question... is the Romanized name for Clefairy "Pippi" or "Piipi"? --[[User:Jayt55|Pojaymon]]
:::::I don't know a WHOLE lot about Japanese and Romanization, but looking at the Kana, it's spelled out as Pippi. Hope that helps. --[[User:Malunis T|Malunis T]] 06:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia maybe? ==

Caterpie has appeared in every Generation, right? Is this notable in the trivia? I'm not sure how many Pokémon share this fact. [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 23:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

I have a theory that Cater"pie" (pronounced like "pea"), Meta"pod", and "Butter"free are part of a food-themed naming convention (particularly that of peas), but my editions stating this as possibility were reversed. To a lesser extent (not present in my edits), "Cater" (pronounced as in the act of food catering) and "pie" (pronounced as the dessert) also have culinary implications, and (reaching further around) "Meta" could refer to one's "meta"bolism. I also once received "free" food at a Burger King, a known sponsor. Am I alone? Also, why will no girls date me? --[[User:GrowlitheandEkans|GrowlitheandEkans]] 03:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:opinion.-[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::I think it's more a matter of informed speculation; much like a lot of Pokemon Origin and Name Origin information listed on the site. When a reason is listed for a theory, it is no longer opinion. Opinion would be more like if I'd used the words "probably" or "it is likely." Wouldn't you agree? --[[User:GrowlitheandEkans|GrowlitheandEkans]] 05:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:::If you're the only one saying this "theory" and no one else is or is agreeing with you, it is opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure I understand your authority on this issue. Are you proposing that "theories" are "facts supported by more than one person and/or many?" My theory is accompanied by evidence. I thought that was at least worth proposing it as a possible explanation for the naming convention. By your applied definition of "opinion" and use of "quotes" around the word "theory," one could argue that you do not own a "dictionary." That would be a "theory." I feel I'm being "bullied" by you because you do not like peas. Both my feeling toward your behavior and your distaste for peas are "opinions."{{unsigned|GrowlitheandEkans}}
:::::Funny, the fourth definition of theory is ''"Opionion;Conjecture"'' in my dictionary.
:::::What I'm saying is that you're the only saying this theory and no one else is supporting it, there also isn't enough evidence to the theory, therefore it is opinion. Besides, what does food have to do with the bugs? Caterpie is obviously based from ''Caterpillar'' and there are many evidence to this (what the Pokémon is based off for starters) and everyone supports this "theory". Also, it's not meant to be offensive....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::: I agree with GrowlitheandEkans. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Friendship

2011-03-03T03:42:57Z

Mewtwo777: /* Locations */

{{outdated|needs=Generation V}}
'''Happiness''' is a measurement of how much a Pokémon loves its {{pkmn|Trainer}} and enjoys being in their care. Happiness affects the [[evolution]] of [[:Category:Pokémon that evolve by happiness|certain Pokémon]], the power of {{m|Return}} and {{m|Frustration}}, and the availability of a few in-game items and ribbons. Certain events increase a Pokémon's happiness (gaining a level, walking 256 steps) or decrease it (fainting, using [[herbal medicine]]).

Happiness was introduced in {{game|Yellow}} for the player's starting Pikachu only, and expanded to cover all Pokémon in [[Generation II]].

==Generation I==
A prototype of the happiness system used by later games was introduced in {{game|Yellow}}, the last [[main series]] game of [[Generation I]]. Like the later system, its value ranged between 0 and 255 inclusive -- however, this value was only applied to the {{ga|Red's Pikachu|Pikachu}} the player [[starter Pokémon|started with]].
[[Image:PikachuY-Happy.png|thumb|right|Pikachu at maximum happiness.]]
Unlike later games, since Pikachu is outside of its [[Poké Ball]], the {{player}} can turn and look at it at any time as it follows him around the overworld. Pikachu will then indicate its happiness in a small window that appears. At maximum happiness, Pikachu will jump up and down before the window appears.

Like later games, Pikachu's happiness will rise when it gains a level. If its Trainer uses an item on Pikachu, its happiness will also rise, even if it is an item that has no effect on Pikachu (such as a [[Potion]] at full HP). In this manner, Pikachu is much easier to make happy than Pokémon in future generations.

Pikachu's happiness drops if it is put into [[Bill's PC]] or faints. Trading it to another game will reset its happiness to 0.

Happiness is not recorded for any other Pokémon in Generation I, and the happiness of Pikachu does not affect much: the only real effect it has is whether or not [[Melanie]] will give {{p|Bulbasaur}} away in [[Cerulean City]], which she will only do if Pikachu's happiness is 147 or higher.

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Happiness
! 0 to 99
! 100 to 199
! 200 to MAX
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Event
! colspan = "3" | Change
|-
| Gaining a level || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| Using an item || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| Challenging a [[Gym Leader]] || +3 || +2 || +1
|-
| Depositing in the [[PC]] || -3 || -3 || -5
|-
| Fainting || -1 || -1 || -1
|} 

==Generation II==
In [[Generation II]], the happiness system became fully implemented, building on the system used in Yellow by tracking the happiness of every Pokémon owned by the Trainer. Like before, it is a single byte with a value between 0 and 255.

Happiness is set when a Pokémon is brought under a Trainer's control: that is, it is 70 when a Pokémon is captured from the wild, and reset to 70 when a Pokémon is traded from another game. When a Pokémon is hatched from an {{pkmn|egg}}, its value is set to 120. If a Pokémon is captured in a [[Poké Ball#Generation II Poké Balls|Friend Ball]], rather than any other kind, its happiness is set to 200 instead.

Another function was given to happiness in Generation II: the evolution of certain Pokémon, which has continued until the present as each generation introduces new Pokémon which evolve through happiness. Happiness-based evolutions occur when a Pokémon's happiness is 220 or higher.

Unlike in Generation I, happiness will not increase if an item that cannot be used is used on a Pokémon: for example, using an [[HP Up]] on a {{p|Quilava}} which already has the maximum HP it can have will not result in raised happiness.

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Happiness
! 0 to 99
! 100 to 199
! 200 to MAX
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Event
! colspan = "3" | Change
|-
| Walking 512 steps
| colspan = "3" | +1{{tt|*|Happiness increases this way even when a Pokémon is fainted.}}
|-
| Grooming, [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]]
| colspan = "3" | +3
|-
| Grooming, older [[haircut brothers|haircut brother]] || +5 || +3 || +1
|-
| Grooming, younger [[haircut brothers|haircut brother]] || +10 || +3 || +1
|-
| Using [[vitamin]]s || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| Gaining a [[level]] || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| Challenging a [[Gym Leader]] or [[Elite Four]] || +3 || +2 || +1
|-
| Fainting
| colspan = "3" | -1
|-
| Using [[EnergyPowder]]
| colspan = "3" | -5
|-
| Using [[Heal Powder]]
| colspan = "3" | -5
|-
| Using [[Energy Root]]
| colspan = "3" | -10
|-
| Using [[Revival Herb]]
| colspan = "3" | -15
|-
| Trading to another game
| colspan = "3" | Reset to 70
|} 

However, some things, though frequently reported, aren't part of the Generation II modifier. The following are actions that do not affect a Pokémon's happiness, either positively or negatively:
*Putting a Pokémon in Bill's PC
*Healing a Pokémon when weak and injured
*Giving a Pokémon a hold item
*Using a Pokémon in battles
*Winning battles with a Pokémon
*Letting a Pokémon's HP fall to critical status
*Letting the player's Pokémon get a status condition like Paralysis
*Walking when the player's Pokémon has a status condition

==Generation III==
Happiness in [[Generation III]] works much the same as before, with two additional happiness-boosting mechanics. If a Pokémon is caught in a [[Luxury Ball]] or is holding a [[Soothe Bell]], all happiness-raising events will increase the Pokémon's happiness by one point more; happiness-lowering events are not affected. These effects stack on each other, meaning a Pokémon in a Luxury Ball holding a Soothe Bell gets two additional points per event.

Pokémon now have a [[List of Pokémon by base happiness|base happiness]] per species; however, most catchable Pokémon have the standard 70 points as their starting level.

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Happiness
! 0 to 99
! 100 to 199
! 200 to MAX
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Event
! colspan = "3" | Change
|-
| Walking 256 steps
| colspan = "3" | +1
|-
| Grooming, [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]]{{tt|*|FireRed and LeafGreen only}} || +3 || +3 || +2
|-
| Using [[vitamin]]s || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| Gaining a [[level]] || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| Using [[Effort values|EV]] [[Berry|Berries]]
| colspan = "3" | +2
|-
| Fainting
| colspan = "3" | -1
|-
| Using [[EnergyPowder]]
| colspan = "3" | -5
|-
| Using [[Heal Powder]]
| colspan = "3" | -5
|-
| Using [[Energy Root]]
| colspan = "3" | -10
|-
| Using [[Revival Herb]]
| colspan = "3" | -15
|-
| Trading to another game
| colspan = "3" | Reset to [[List of Pokémon by base happiness|base happiness]]
|} 

==Generation IV==
Happiness in [[Generation IV]] is much the same as it is in [[Generation III]], though the conditions are altered slightly. The Luxury Ball now causes a Pokémon to gain a seperate boost in happiness when they level up and while walking compared to Pokémon in other Balls.

[[Dr. Footstep]], the sole resident of the Footstep House on {{rt|213|Sinnoh}}, will give a Pokémon with maximum happiness a [[ribbon]].

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the player can gauge their Pokémon's happiness based on the phrase that appears when they are spoken to outside of their Poké Ball.

[[Daisy Oak|Daisy]] makes a return in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Visiting her in Pallet Town will let her groom one of the player's Pokémon between 15:00 and 16:00 every day, increasing its happiness.

The [[Haircut brothers]] also make a return in HeartGold and SoulSilver. The player can visit them on any day of the week besides Monday to give one of their Pokémon a boost in happiness.

In the table below, the first and second values separated by slashes show the changes for most Poké Balls and [[Luxury Ball]]s, respectively. Note that holding a [[Soothe Bell]] will apply a multiplier of 1.5 (rounding down) to only '''positive''' changes and that use of [[Luxury Ball]]s will ''not'' reduce the effects of negative changes.
{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Happiness
! 0 to 99
! 100 to 199
! 200 to MAX
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Event
! colspan = "3" | Change
|-
| Walking 256 steps*
| colspan = "3" | +1/??
|-
| [[Massage_Lady|Massage]] ([[Veilstone City]]){{sup|DPPt}}
| colspan = "3" | +3
|-
| Massage ([[Ribbon Syndicate]]){{sup|DPPt}} || ?? || ?? || ??
|-
| [[Haircut brothers]]{{sup|HGSS}}{{tt|*|depends on Pokémon's reaction}} || +1/+3/+5/+10 || +1/+3/+5/+10 || +1/+2/+4
|-
| [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]] grooming{{sup|HGSS}} || ?? || ?? || ??
|-
| Using [[vitamin]]s || +5 || +3 || +2
|-
| [[Level]] up || +5/+6 || +3/+4 || +2/+3
|-
| Using [[Effort values|EV]] [[Berry|Berries]]† || +10 || +5 || +2
|-
| Fainting
| colspan = "3" | -1
|-
| Using [[EnergyPowder]] || -5 || -5 || -10
|-
| Using [[Heal Powder]] || -5 || -5 || -10
|-
| Using [[Energy Root]] || -10 || -10 || -15
|-
| Using [[Revival Herb]] || -15 || -15 || -20
|-
| [[Trading]]
| colspan = "3" | Reset to base happiness.
|} 

<nowiki>*</nowiki> The number of steps and the probability needs further study.

† These include [[Pomeg Berry]], [[Kelpsy Berry]], [[Qualot Berry]], [[Hondew Berry]], [[Grepa Berry]], and [[Tamato Berry]] (No. 21-26).

===Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia===
[[File:Happy Mood SoA.png|frame|Two Pokémon in a Happy Mood]]
Happiness also has an effect in the second Ranger game. [[Partner Pokémon]] can have the condition of ''Fine'', ''Happy'', or ''Very Happy''. When it is in a Happy Mood, musical notes come out. Black musical notes come out of it when it is happy. Multicolored musical notes come out when it is very happy. This may happen whether or not it is with the player. This state of mind increases the speed the Partner Gauge fills up due to more Partner Energy being given.

==Generation V==
{{incomplete|section}}

==Evolutions==
Several Pokémon evolve after levelling-up, to any level, when their happiness level is at or above 220:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{md blue color dark}}; color: #{{factory color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 5px solid #{{md blue color}};"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{md time color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{md time color dark}}|Previous evolutions}}
! colspan="3" style="background: #{{md time color}}" | {{color|{{md time color dark}}|Happiness evolution}}
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{md time color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{md time color dark}}|Future evolutions}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:041.png]] {{pcolor|Zubat|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Poison}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Level|Level 22}}
| [[Image:042.png]] {{pcolor|Golbat|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Poison}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:169.png]] {{pcolor|Crobat|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Poison}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| colspan="2" | Crobat does not evolve
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:440.png]] {{pcolor|Happiny|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Level|Level up}} holding an {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Evolution-inducing held item#Oval Stone|Oval Stone}}
| [[Image:113.png]] {{pcolor|Chansey|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:242.png]] {{pcolor|Blissey|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| colspan="2" | Blissey does not evolve
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Eevee is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:133.png]] {{pcolor|Eevee|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness (day)
| [[Image:196.png]] {{pcolor|Espeon|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| colspan="2" | Espeon does not evolve
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Eevee is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:133.png]] {{pcolor|Eevee|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness (night)
| [[Image:197.png]] {{pcolor|Umbreon|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dark}}
| colspan="2" | Umbreon does not evolve
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Pichu is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:172.png]] {{pcolor|Pichu|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Electric}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:025.png]] {{pcolor|Pikachu|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Electric}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Thunderstone|Thunderstone}}
| [[Image:026.png]] {{pcolor|Raichu|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Electric}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Cleffa is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:173.png]] {{pcolor|Cleffa|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:035.png]] {{pcolor|Clefairy|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Moon Stone|Moon Stone}}
| [[Image:036.png]] {{pcolor|Clefable|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Igglybuff is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:174.png]] {{pcolor|Igglybuff|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:039.png]] {{pcolor|Jigglypuff|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Moon Stone|Moon Stone}}
| [[Image:040.png]] {{pcolor|Wigglytuff|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Togepi is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:175.png]] {{pcolor|Togepi|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:176.png]] {{pcolor|Togetic|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Shiny Stone|Shiny Stone}}
| [[Image:468.png]] {{pcolor|Togekiss|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Azurill is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:298.png]] {{pcolor|Azurill|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:183.png]] {{pcolor|Marill|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Water}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Level|Level 18}}
| [[Image:184.png]] {{pcolor|Azumarill|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Water}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Budew is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:406.png]] {{pcolor|Budew|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
| → Happiness (day)
| [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
| → {{color2|{{factory color dark}}|Evolutionary stone#Shiny Stone|Shiny Stone}}
| [[Image:407.png]] {{pcolor|Roserade|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Buneary is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:427.png]] {{pcolor|Buneary|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:428.png]] {{pcolor|Lopunny|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| colspan="2" | Lopunny does not evolve
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Chingling is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:433.png]] {{pcolor|Chingling|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| → Happiness (night)
| [[Image:358.png]] {{pcolor|Chimecho|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| colspan="2" | Chimecho does not evolve
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| colspan="2" | Munchlax is the lowest in its line
| [[Image:446.png]] {{pcolor|Munchlax|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| → Happiness
| [[Image:143.png]] {{pcolor|Snorlax|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Normal}}
| colspan="2" | Snorlax does not evolve
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #fff;" | Riolu is the lowest in its line
| style="background: #fff" | [[Image:447.png]] {{pcolor|Riolu|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Fighting}}
| style="background: #fff" | → Happiness (day)
| style="background: #fff" | [[Image:448.png]] {{pcolor|Lucario|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #fff;" | Lucario does not evolve
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #fff;" | Woobat is the lowest in its line
| style="background: #fff" | [[Image:527.png]] {{pcolor|Woobat|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background: #fff" | → Happiness 
| style="background: #fff" | [[Image:528.png]] {{pcolor|Swoobat|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #fff;" | Swoobat does not evolve
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:540.png]] {{pcolor|Sewaddle|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| style="background: #fff;" | → [[Level|Level 20]]
| style="background: #fff;" | [[File:541.png]] {{pcolor|Kurumayu|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| style="background: #fff" | → Happiness 
| style="background: #fff;" | [[File:542.png]] {{pcolor|Leavanny|{{factory color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Leavanny does not evolve
|} 

==Happiness raters==
Happiness raters are [[NPC]]s that will indicate the happiness of the first Pokémon in the player's party when spoken to. Some will give away certain items depending on the happiness, while others just tell the player how happy the Pokémon is.

{| border=1 align="left" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #CCCCFF;"
! Statement
! Happiness
|-
| "It looks really happy! It must love you a lot."
| 250-255
|-
| "I get the feeling that it really trusts you."
| 200-249
|-
| "It's friendly toward you. It looks sort of happy."
| 150-199
|-
| "It's quite cute."
| 100-149
|-
| "You should treat it better. It's not used to you."
| 50-99
|-
| "It doesn't seem to like you at all. It looks mean."
| 0-49
|} 

===Locations===
*[[Goldenrod City]]: A woman in the house northeast of the Bike Shop will rate a Pokémon's happiness.
*[[Goldenrod Department Store]]: On {{DL|Days of the week|Sunday}}s only, a woman at the TM Corner, on the fifth floor, gives away either {{TM|27|Return}} (happiness above 150) or {{TM|21|Frustration}} (happiness below 100) once a week.
*{{tt|[[Verdanturf Town]]: A woman in the house in the south-western part of town will rate a Pokémon's happiness.|This NPC will say sentences other than those in this table, with seven in all.}}
*[[Pacifidlog Town]]: Once every week, a man gives away either {{TM|27|Return}} (happiness above 150) or {{TM|21|Frustration}} (happiness below 100).
*[[Pallet Town]]: At {{ga|Blue}}'s house, [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]] will rate a Pokémon's happiness.{{sup|FRLG}}
*[[Hearthome City]]: An NPC rates happiness in the [[Pokémon Fan Club]].
*{{rt|213|Sinnoh}}: At the Footstep House, [[Dr. Footstep]] will rate a Pokémon's happiness, albeit in a roundabout way which differs among Pokémon species.
*[[Eterna City]]: A woman who gives you the [[Pokétch]] App, [[Pokétch#Friendship Checker|Friendship Checker]], will rate your Pokémon's happiness.

In addition, the [[Pokétch]] App, [[Pokétch#Friendship Checker|Friendship Checker]], will display a Pokémon's happiness on a scale of one to two small or big hearts. If the Pokémon has a low happiness number, then it will move away from the point where the [[Nintendo DS]] screen is touched.

== Trivia ==
*The only [[regional Pokédex]] that contained all Pokémon that evolve by happiness at the time was the [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|old Johto Pokédex]]. Neither the Hoenn Pokédex, Sinnoh Pokédex (before or after the expansion) nor the New Johto Pokédex contained all happiness-evolvers as of their respective generation, with the Sinnoh Pokédex excluding only {{p|Igglybuff}} and its family.

==External links==
*[http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/11568 Generation II Happiness FAQ by Ignacio de Lucas]
*[http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/925601/48344 Generation IV Happiness FAQ by Ruimound]
*[http://www.psypokes.com/gsc/happiness.php Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal happiness guide]

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2011-03-03T02:47:23Z

Mewtwo777: /* Fingers */

==Fingers==
Is it me or does Dasutodasu's fingers look like ciggarettes? [[User:Mesuxelf|Mesuxelf]] 19:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:Due to being a Pokémon, I think they are more likely to be straws, which they more closely resemble. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:: I always thought they were pipes. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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2011-02-17T04:18:58Z

Mewtwo777: /* Lake Trio */

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:Legendary_birds.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| [[File:GenIII_Battle.jpg|100px]] [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Regis.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| [[File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg|100px]] [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
|}
:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
''
"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions the gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Lake Trio ==
Is it possible Cresselia is the master of the Lake Trio? As stated above, in the Real History section, Cresselia did (possibly) create the trio, and as quoted from Cresselia's page, "Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the Lake guardians." It seems they also used the same shades of the above colors. In addition, they are all Psychic type. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hello? I would like an answer. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Banette (Pokémon)

2011-02-17T04:16:08Z

Mewtwo777:

Were are the attacks? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:Have you ever thought that we haven't had the chance to put them in on a Pokémon not often used? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I have one, but I don't know how to put in all that. Same thing for Shuppt [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

Is it worth noting that Banette resembles the old sprite assosciated with the Nightmare attack? [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 09:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 11:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC))

== GBA Sprite ==

It should be mentioned in the Trivia section that its arms in the GBA series are too short. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:No because they aren't. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes they are. Look, they're like little nubs compared to its arms later in DP. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure they're being bent. If they look short to you, then that's your opinion. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 05:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually they are a bit short see [[File:Spr_3r_354.png]] [[User talk:PIKA23|'''The Pikachu PIKA23''']]♂
:Pokémon are displayed differently in each generation. That's part of what makes the generations unique. I personally think this is never something we should worry about, unless the sprites are changed for a controversial reason or something or other. In this particular case, we only have two sets of sprites to compare - and perhaps the Gen IV ones are abnormally long? Either way, sprite trivia sucks and it shouldn't be included. It's just one of those things people can see for themselves. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

It's Jupetta, not Juppeta. The main page doesn't seem to understand this, and mixes and matches them. But with editing turned off, I can't change it.[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:21, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Open Mouth ==

The trivia section discusses occasions where Banette opens its mouth, and even shows a picture of its open mouth in the anime. I think its platinum sprite opens its mouth whenever it's sent out. [[User:Delspencerdeltorro|Delspencerdeltorro]] 03:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I should specify, I've only noticed this with its back sprite. [[User:Delspencerdeltorro|Delspencerdeltorro]] 03:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Shuppet? ==
On the Artificial Pokemon page, it says "Banette is a plush doll that was thrown away and was possessed by Shuppet." Is this true? If so, where was this tidbit found? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ghetsis

2011-02-17T04:16:03Z

Mewtwo777: /* Japanese name romanization */

==Facial Damage==

Due to Geechisu having some sort of deformity in the right side of his face (apparent in his sprite and the latest coro coro artwork) that is most presented by him having an awkward shaped mouth, and also having that eyepatch thing, is it justifiable to say he may have some sort of facial damage? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:Was wondering if you were going to post that here, well putting that he may have facial damage goes a little on the border of speculation but I do think that his oddly shaped mouth should be noticed since it's not a sprite mistake and was obviously on purpose [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:: We've mentioned mass-fan-agreed-on speculation before. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Move to "Getis"? ==

If you listen to his battle music the choir says "Getis" over and over again, and so I think we should move it to "Getis". [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 04:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not until there's a definite answer - plenty of people hear "Penance" being chanted, and before that track was identified as Geechisu's theme, it was believed to be Genosect's and gave rise to the "Dennis" meme because of people hearing that. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Except why would they be chanting an english word that sounds almost exactly like a pronunciation of the charecters name in a japanese game? It's much more likely they are saying "Getis", the characters name, than "Penance", something Getis is not showing at all (I mean, even after you beat him he still acts like he was doing the right thing, defiantly not showing penance at all), or the english name "Dennis", and a weird way of say the name as well (The "is" is not as stressed in the name dennis, as it is in the song, while Getis would have that stressed that way). [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 05:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::It doesn't sound like Getis to me, and you yourself don't even seem sure so it won't be moved. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, what do you hear it as? And how do I not sound sure about it? I am very sure they are saying "Getis". [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 23:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::While you may hear it as "Getis", others may hear it as "Dennis" or "Penance" or even just indiscernible ominous chanting. At any rate, I'm fairly certain that it's a tad too shaky to be suitable evidence for moving a page. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I suppose you're right. Perhaps when he appears in the anime we'll find out how his name is pronounced (Although I do hear the chanting as "Getis" or "Geetis"). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I guess we can wait to see how they pronounce it in the anime. It can't take too long for them to show Getis. I mean, he does appear very close to the start of the game. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 06:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Penance" fits with the Team Plasma theme of making people repent for abusing Pokémon. Granted that Geechisu does not himself do this, but he is still manipulating others into releasing their Pokémon as "penance" for imagined crimes. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 08:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Not really, because plasma is already dead when Getis attacks you. He's just attacking you in anger, not in anyway connected to penance. Penance would not make sense when talking about Getis making a desperate move to try to try to get revenge for destroying his dream. Besides, he wasn't really the sort of person who believed it was freeing pokemon, so Penance would actually be extremely out of context when fighting Getis. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 06:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Romanization ==

It's just [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.ptitle2gli7wce&id=16638#16638 come to my attention] that ゲーチス may actually stand for "Goetis" (from ''{{wp|goetia|goēteia}}'', Greek for "sorcery"). Would this be suitable for everyone?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:Except goetis would be written as ゴーチス　instead of ゲーチス. {{unsigned|mikkim}}
::True, but the Japanese Wikipedia mentions that it can also be written as ゲーティア.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 10:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So...are we good? Any objections?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I did find this {{tt|Sanskrit|I think..}} term "gati" (going/motion/destiny, plural:gatis), the term is used in Buddhism to mean "course of existence" or "destiny". Apparently there are six realms (Deva - god, {{tt|Asura|Coincidentally, one of the names of the seven sages}} - titans, Manusyas - humans, Tiryaks -animals, Pretas - ghost, Narakas -hell beings). So his name could also be a reference to this also. [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 01:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess that that can work. Goetis and Gatis both make more sense than most of the other names that have been guessed. Does anybody object to moving it to Goetis? [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 21:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not a total objection, but perhaps it's just an origin and not the proper romanization? In that case, moving the page would be a mistake. Does Nintendo ever put out any media (be it guides, promotional material, etc.) which would use the romanizations of human characters' names, and thus put this issue to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Ummm, maybe romanizing dento as dent, poddo as pod, and koon as corn is also just an origin but not the proper romanization? Geechisu can also be written as Getis, because the closest thing the Japanese have to a "ti" is chi and su can also be read with the u being silent. It would be a proper romanization, just as proper as デント/dento -> dent　ポッド/poddo -> pod　コオン/ koon -> corn. Offical media is not nessecary, because any objection that you could have to ゲエチス/geechisu -> getis would also apply to デント/ポッド/コオン -> dent/pod/corn. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 00:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Technically I was opposed to those as well, but I suppose you have a point. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::There are countless possible spellings. Also, if Geechisu can be moved, then so should [[Shooti]] be moved to Shooty (the romanization we use now is simply incorrect because of prolonged "i"). Also, it's annoying how Bulbapedia lacks standards lately. I thought we aren't moving the pages because of romanizations, because we're waiting for English version. That's been the admins' trend towards moving lately. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, but are there countless spellings that actually make sense? I am not against Shooti being moved, and Geechisu -> Getis actually makes more sense than Shooti -> Shooty. If we aren't moving them to there correct romanizations, we might as well move Dent back to dento, Corn to Koon, Pod to Poddo, Iris to Airis, and so on. We are using the logical names for the gym leaders, so why are we not using the logical name for Goetis? {{unsigned|mikkim}}
: Given no one objected to it being a possible name origin, I added it to that section of his page while everyone tries figure out where to move it to. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
: While on the subject of where to put the page, the character in question is one of the few we hear pronounced, as it is chanted in his battle theme (unless that is really is or "Penance" or hell, even "Dennis"), while hard to make out, "Geechisu" is clearly out, and it is something like "Goetis" or "Getis". Not that it matters given we will have an actual English name in a few weeks.

== Interview confirms name "GCis" ==

CoroCoro has an interview with Junichi Masuda that confirms that Geechisu's name is GCis, from the G and Cis (C#) that the timpanis play in his battle theme. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 21:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Would you mind linking your source? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::This spelling, albeit correct meaning-wise, is simply too fugly. Let's just wait for his English name, okie? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That has nothing to do with this [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net (scroll down to the yellow box) [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 22:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::The only thing I see that confirming is the name's origin, not what its romanization is. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::If that is the name's origin, then I guess the correct spelling is how you spell the name of the letter Gee (for G), thus I go for Geecis.[[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 00:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Red Eyes ==

Notice that four of Geechy's six Pokémon have red sclera? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:Notably, he also has a red shade on one of his eyes and two red eyes in his outfit. Coincidence? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::If it were all of them, I would say yes, but unfortunately I think that it is just a slight co-incidence. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia regarding appearance ==

Am I the only one who thinks Geechisu bears a passing resemblance to [http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/id/1178261/?size=400x400&site=rsoc_en&authtoken=7b86a2c58c4972d7e2e2aa060a3ce775&quality=100 this guy]? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 08:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:: Wow, you're right!!!!! [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia regarding music ==

I believe his battle music is the only one that has human voice. Is it not?'''[[User:Goldex555|Gold]][[User:Goldex555|ex]][[User:Goldex555|555]]''' 22:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Move to Ghetsis (NOT because of the rumors) ==

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5ZwB8BwTA#t=3m5s

This was confirmed at the tour. See? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Japanese name romanization ==

So, what romanization should we use for his Japanese name. His English name is obviously corrupted, it's not a correct romanization of his Japanese name. I propose using "Gecis" in the Japanese context. It reflects the musical origin of his name well (and that inserted -e- reflects the pronounciation better and looks aesthetically better than "G'cis" or "G-cis", I don't think that this "e" ruins the etymology). So, what do you think? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think Gcis would be ideal, as it really is the true representation of the names origin, but Gecis doesn't deviate too much.--[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 03:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:: I agree. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Artificial Pokémon

2011-02-17T04:10:35Z

Mewtwo777: /* regi's */

==Other artificial Pokémon==
These were the ones I could remember being artificially created off the top of my head. Can anyone think of any others? --[[User:DekuScrubby|DekuScrubby]] 13:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Does Vui (the modified Eevee of the manga) count? [[User:Maave|~Maave~]] 18:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

What about the Pokemon such at Electivire? They are evolved due to contact with certain items. And technically the Pokemon who have to be evolve-traded could be considered artificial, because they couldn't exist without human intervention.
(should be gap here other person didn't sign)
What about Magnimite? due to the mechanical Screws and Magnets there must at least be some human involvement in the Species.Dragrath1 21:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Pokémon that assumedly can only have evolved through trading have been seen in the wild (examples: tons in the Ranger games, some from the anime, and Steelix on Iron Island). Unless it's specifically stated, we can't assume Pokémon like Magnemite are artificially formed. There could be a natural explanation that simply can't be invoked by the player.
:Also, you really should have put this in a new header, instead of one from a half-year ago. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I was trying to but couldn't figure it out (I'm new here...)Also I already knew about the trade evolutions(Love how you can catch wild Steelix instead of wasting your only Metal Coat...) Dragrath1 00:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Castform ==

why is Castform in here?
the only evidence I've ever seen of Castform being made by people is it's position in the weather institute, but I've always thought they were simply doing research on it and I believe since there are no Pokédex entries about it or any mentions about it being created by people in the anime that it should be removed [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:I think a character in RSE mentions it was artificially created when he gives it to the player. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 10:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hold on what about... ==
Wern't the Baltoy and Brozor families crafted by ancient people I Know claydoll was but I'm not so sure Brozer was. And what about the Magnamite family wen't they mutated magnets doesn't that point to human influance since the magnets they have on their bodies are manmade magnets unlike Nospass's whose was natural. Also Genesect?

== regi's ==

Weren't the Regi trio (and giggas) made by ancient man? [[User:Kingofall42|Kingofall42]] 16:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Artificial Pokémon

2011-02-17T04:08:24Z

Mewtwo777: /* regi's */

==Other artificial Pokémon==
These were the ones I could remember being artificially created off the top of my head. Can anyone think of any others? --[[User:DekuScrubby|DekuScrubby]] 13:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Does Vui (the modified Eevee of the manga) count? [[User:Maave|~Maave~]] 18:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

What about the Pokemon such at Electivire? They are evolved due to contact with certain items. And technically the Pokemon who have to be evolve-traded could be considered artificial, because they couldn't exist without human intervention.
(should be gap here other person didn't sign)
What about Magnimite? due to the mechanical Screws and Magnets there must at least be some human involvement in the Species.Dragrath1 21:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Pokémon that assumedly can only have evolved through trading have been seen in the wild (examples: tons in the Ranger games, some from the anime, and Steelix on Iron Island). Unless it's specifically stated, we can't assume Pokémon like Magnemite are artificially formed. There could be a natural explanation that simply can't be invoked by the player.
:Also, you really should have put this in a new header, instead of one from a half-year ago. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I was trying to but couldn't figure it out (I'm new here...)Also I already knew about the trade evolutions(Love how you can catch wild Steelix instead of wasting your only Metal Coat...) Dragrath1 00:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Castform ==

why is Castform in here?
the only evidence I've ever seen of Castform being made by people is it's position in the weather institute, but I've always thought they were simply doing research on it and I believe since there are no Pokédex entries about it or any mentions about it being created by people in the anime that it should be removed [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:I think a character in RSE mentions it was artificially created when he gives it to the player. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 10:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hold on what about... ==
Wern't the Baltoy and Brozor families crafted by ancient people I Know claydoll was but I'm not so sure Brozer was. And what about the Magnamite family wen't they mutated magnets doesn't that point to human influance since the magnets they have on their bodies are manmade magnets unlike Nospass's whose was natural. Also Genesect?

== regi's ==

Weren't the Regi trio (and giggas) made by ancient man? [[User:Kingofall42|Kingofall42]] 16:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
No. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:M14

2011-02-15T03:26:39Z

Mewtwo777: /* Two M14 Pages? */

== It's BLACK hero ==

Stop this politically correct bullcrap. It's black, not dark. Clearly. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:08, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
:Why can't it be dark? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
::Dark sounds cooler. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Wouldn't it make more sense to use black? You know... Black & White...? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Cooler or not, it's not very correct. And Kenji's got a point here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
They used the term ''kuroki'', not ''kuroi'' (which is specifically black-colored). It's intended to be a metaphor, I guess. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 16:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::I ''do'' agree on this. It should be black, it's not that I'm Japanese but I tried to get every single translation of kuroki and I got "Black" as a conclusion. So, it should be Black but I don't want to move the article without an admin's confirmation. So, What do you say? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::The article won't be moved if we decide on black. But really. Obviously the "Dark Hero" is Zekrom, the Deep-'''Black''' Pokémon. Hence, it should be Black Hero. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::So is it a case of that the title can be translated multiple ways? I'm just after finishing watching [[BW011]] by the #blackandwhitesubs fansub group, and they translated the movie title in the preview as ''Dark Hero''... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 07:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Under the influence of Serebii or Bulbapedia (or other big fansite). Don't really trust fans that much, even fansub groups often take informations from major Pokémon websites and communities. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:24, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

[http://sylphys.ddo.jp/upld2nd/manani2/src/1292319176976.jpg]

According to Corocoro the release date is July 16.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Well thanks whoever added it.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Two M14 Pages? ==

Shouldn't there be two Movie 14 Pages? I'm pretty sure Victini & The White Hero- Reshiram is confirmed, seeing as how CoroCoro is an official source. Regardless, making two pages would make sense, even if the two movies are conjoined in some way.[[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 21:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's not confirmed. They are most likely the same movie. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::I think we can few days more for the confirmation, since the official site already has a count down set. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 23:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, PokéBeach just added CoroCoro Scans. Has there not been any change here because these are leaks and CoroCoro hasn't officially been released in Japan yet? Also, since information about the Victini Download is shown on the M14 Page, CoroCoro also said that Victini holds the Fire Jewel, is inside a Cherish Ball and has a Wish Ribbon. As with before, it knows V-Generate as well. Just thought I'd bring that up as well.[[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 01:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: Adding on to what others have said, lets compile the evidence:
*Two seperate posters pictured in Corocoro
*Corocoro states there will be two "versions" of the movie
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]]

Talk:Legendary beasts (M13)

2011-02-11T04:26:55Z

Mewtwo777: /* Crown Beasts? */

Hey, here is the Nat. Dex numbers for the legendary bests so you can change the broken file link in the infoboxes: 243: Raikou244: Entei 245: Suicune. Thanks, [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

2 things, do we have seperate pics of the ledgendary beasts? and the other, shouldn't the overworld sprites be shiny?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 08:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

:They should, but we haven't uploaded an image of the shiny overworld beast sprites!! Can someone get to doing that? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone gather some more plot details for this page!?!? This is the most wanted page on Bulbapedia!! Please help!!! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:01, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well, they appear to stop Zoroark from attacking [[Crown City]]. Also, they are shiny, so you should probably put those two things in. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Crown City or Isshu or.. ==
I would like to know where the beasts reside at the end of the film, probably Crown City because right now I have Isshu written there.. so do they still reside at Crown City at the end of the movie? Or elsewhere? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

they are it's gaurdians...I think they do [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Information ==

Even if each beast does the exact same thing throughout the movie, could you try to reword the information so its not all the same?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:Or could you just put the information into one section, leaving the infoboxes as they are? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

::If I knew specific roles each Pokémon shared I could do what Burgundy said, however all I know is that they fought Zoroark and Kōdai together as a trio.. If I had specifics like "Raikou chased Zoroark and then Suicune popped out with a surprise attack" then I could probably do something right now but the pages on Bulbapedia right now just state what they did as a trio. For now, I think what I have is fine, it's just that info that I REALLY need. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Crown Beasts? ==

Since "legendary beasts" is already a conjectural name anyway, to be more specific can we rename the article "Crown Beasts (movie 13)" or can we at least make Crown Beasts redirect to this page? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:Okay, this is getting old, can someone PLEASE give me an answer. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with Landfish. Let's move this page to Crown City Beasts. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

== ExtremeSpeed ==

Because they were wild and needed no commands, and considering the policies of the site, is it possible that moments of very quick running that could be ExtremeSpeed were passed over as just regular fast running?--[[User:Derenol232|Derenol232]] 01:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nah, they weren't moving nearly as fast enough to be Extremespeed [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:41, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh OK. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I was curious--[[User:Derenol232|Derenol232]] 01:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Crossing informations ==

I have several badly crossing information about this trio and this seemed like the best page to put it on. The [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011]] page says that they're not supposed to be available until Feb 7, starting with Raikou. On Bulbanews, the event table says that Suicune is currently available, ending today. I just downloaded Mystery Gift in a rush faster than was probably healthy, and the event gave me Raikou. Anyone know what gives? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 04:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:This seems to just be a timezone issue. The Suicune giveaway at GameStops ended on February 6 (theoretically, just before midnight local time on February 7, but most GameStops were probably closed by then). The Raikou giveaway over Wi-Fi started immediately afterwards at midnight on February 7; according to some people on the forums, it was expected to start at midnight Pacific Standard Time (8 AM UTC), but the timestamp on your post indicates that it must have started earlier for some reason (possibly midnight UTC), most likely because the Wi-Fi event was advertised primarily to Brits instead of Americans. The table on Bulbanews was either using the wrong timezones or hadn't been automatically updated, as sometimes happens with the caching of wiki pages that vary based on time. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 21:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Raikou's move ==
Considering that Entei used Flare Blitz and Suicune used Air Slash, isn't it more likely that Raikou's apparent use of Charge Beam was in fact an alternative depiction of Zap Cannon? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 21:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary beasts (M13)

2011-02-11T04:25:37Z

Mewtwo777: /* Crown Beasts? */

Hey, here is the Nat. Dex numbers for the legendary bests so you can change the broken file link in the infoboxes: 243: Raikou244: Entei 245: Suicune. Thanks, [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

2 things, do we have seperate pics of the ledgendary beasts? and the other, shouldn't the overworld sprites be shiny?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 08:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

:They should, but we haven't uploaded an image of the shiny overworld beast sprites!! Can someone get to doing that? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone gather some more plot details for this page!?!? This is the most wanted page on Bulbapedia!! Please help!!! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:01, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well, they appear to stop Zoroark from attacking [[Crown City]]. Also, they are shiny, so you should probably put those two things in. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Crown City or Isshu or.. ==
I would like to know where the beasts reside at the end of the film, probably Crown City because right now I have Isshu written there.. so do they still reside at Crown City at the end of the movie? Or elsewhere? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

they are it's gaurdians...I think they do [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Information ==

Even if each beast does the exact same thing throughout the movie, could you try to reword the information so its not all the same?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:Or could you just put the information into one section, leaving the infoboxes as they are? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

::If I knew specific roles each Pokémon shared I could do what Burgundy said, however all I know is that they fought Zoroark and Kōdai together as a trio.. If I had specifics like "Raikou chased Zoroark and then Suicune popped out with a surprise attack" then I could probably do something right now but the pages on Bulbapedia right now just state what they did as a trio. For now, I think what I have is fine, it's just that info that I REALLY need. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Crown Beasts? ==

Since "legendary beasts" is already a conjectural name anyway, to be more specific can we rename the article "Crown Beasts (movie 13)" or can we at least make Crown Beasts redirect to this page? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:Okay, this is getting old, can someone PLEASE give me an answer. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with Landfish. Let's move this page to Crown City Beasts.

== ExtremeSpeed ==

Because they were wild and needed no commands, and considering the policies of the site, is it possible that moments of very quick running that could be ExtremeSpeed were passed over as just regular fast running?--[[User:Derenol232|Derenol232]] 01:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nah, they weren't moving nearly as fast enough to be Extremespeed [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:41, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh OK. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I was curious--[[User:Derenol232|Derenol232]] 01:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Crossing informations ==

I have several badly crossing information about this trio and this seemed like the best page to put it on. The [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011]] page says that they're not supposed to be available until Feb 7, starting with Raikou. On Bulbanews, the event table says that Suicune is currently available, ending today. I just downloaded Mystery Gift in a rush faster than was probably healthy, and the event gave me Raikou. Anyone know what gives? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 04:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:This seems to just be a timezone issue. The Suicune giveaway at GameStops ended on February 6 (theoretically, just before midnight local time on February 7, but most GameStops were probably closed by then). The Raikou giveaway over Wi-Fi started immediately afterwards at midnight on February 7; according to some people on the forums, it was expected to start at midnight Pacific Standard Time (8 AM UTC), but the timestamp on your post indicates that it must have started earlier for some reason (possibly midnight UTC), most likely because the Wi-Fi event was advertised primarily to Brits instead of Americans. The table on Bulbanews was either using the wrong timezones or hadn't been automatically updated, as sometimes happens with the caching of wiki pages that vary based on time. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 21:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Raikou's move ==
Considering that Entei used Flare Blitz and Suicune used Air Slash, isn't it more likely that Raikou's apparent use of Charge Beam was in fact an alternative depiction of Zap Cannon? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 21:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Johto Safari Zone

2011-01-31T23:36:41Z

Mewtwo777:

==Time of Day Row?==
The tables need a compatible time of day row, because there are changes in encounters for the non-block Pokémon. I tried using the catchheader, catchbar and catchtime templates, but they're all one column too short. --Maxo 18:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
: I agree with this and can confirm that certain pokemon only appear during certain times. It should also be noted that time only affects areas with no blocks [[User:Daemonten|Daemonten]] 01:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean by that? My guide says that {{p|Wobbuffet}} can only be found at night and it requires 10 blocks ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC))
:::Hmm, Maybe Time does have an affect on block-only pokemon as well. I wasn't sure to be honest. At any rate I went through and updated the templates to include time, and I cleaned up the page so that it at least displays unknowns in the fields I didn't know about. So we now have a time field, hooray. (And the swamp follows the templates now) [[User:Daemonten|Daemonten]] 03:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== Five or six sections? ==

Doesn't the artwork of the johto map show six areas and not five? --DSDark 21:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:I can only make out five on the scan that I've seen. Maybe you have a different one though... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well, the map shows six areas. And if you look at the screenshot of the area changer, there seems to be something behind the menu. My question is, how did we determine what kind of areas the Safari Zone had? Judging by the info we recieved, I'd assume that the areas weren't really set. -- Ryuutakeshi 17:22, 11 August 2009
:::well here's a picture i did up that clearly shows six areas and not five --DSDark 01:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8543/zonea.png

==New Image==

Do we want a new image on this page? I have a screencap of the safari zone without the menu and it' rather good quality. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 01:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:Go on then. If it's a fail we can just delete it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::Well, the link's there. Can't figure out why I can't get the actual image to show.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 01:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You're meant to upload it onto the Bulbagarden Archives. I'll do it for you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Got it. Here's the image
::::http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/hawkfire42/safarizone-1.jpg --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 01:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Guess it wasn't needed.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 01:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::All sorted. Please, don't hotlink images directly from photobucket or any other site into a Bulbapedia article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Roger that. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 01:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

==something I noticed==

My image

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/hawkfire42/safarizone-1.jpg

the website image

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/introduction/images/img_intro_inst01_04.jpg

some of the areas are different. Specifically, the bottom center one on the website image. Now, because of that menu I don't know what's behind it, but my image, from a filb.de video, doesn't show that bottom center area. Interesting, no?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 07:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:Pokebeach has answers:
:"There are 12 unique, default maps in the Johto Safari Zone to switch around and explore for Pokemon. Each map has six zones. You switch around the maps on the computer outside the Safari Zone and can even make your own, though we haven't explored this yet. In HeartGold, we can confirm Geodude, Graveler, Magnemite, Magneton, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Magmar, and Kangaskan are capturable. Some of the Pokemon are encountered more often on specific maps. For example, you can find Koffing, Weezing, Grimer, Arbok, and Ekans far more often on the swamp map. On the planes map, you encounter Girafarig, Rattata, Abra, and Smeargle more commonly than anywhere else (perhaps exclusively for some of them). This information is subject to change as we play through the Safari Zone. Remember, the Kanto Safari Zone has been replaced by the Pal Park." --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 08:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

==Paras==
I was watching the preview of the safari zone and it shows the player catching a paras {{unsigned|Grungle7}}

== The pokemon list ==

Should we add the location column to see what it usually best found in?

:I agree since there are so many different sections a Pokémon can be found in and since Serebii presently confirms post-National Pokédex Pokémon I think a list would be a good idea. Till then I won't make any changes on this page. Right now the present one just needs, more Pokémon, the areas of where to look and time of day.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

:There's been quite the update on the Safari Zone Section, here's the link for it http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/safarizone.shtml - 12Medbe

==Block additions==
Can someone update the Pokemon template on here so that we can add block types and numbers for two different types of blocks? I have all the information for the safari zone (Kanto guide) and want to add it, but the template right now doesn't allow adding blocks. This is an example of what the block additions would look like. Can someone add block columns to it? Thanks ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 09:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC))
===Cliff Area===
{| align=center border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=450px cellspacing="0"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! colspan=2 | Pokemon
! Location
! colspan=2 | Block 1
! colspan=2 | Block 2
! Levels
! Rate
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|022}}}|{{{2|Fearow}}}}}
| {{p|Fearow}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|046}}}|{{{2|Paras}}}}}
| {{p|Paras}}
| Walking
| Forest
| 3
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|074}}}|{{{2|Geodude}}}}}
| {{p|Geodude}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| 15-17
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|075}}}|{{{2|Graveler}}}}}
| {{p|Graveler}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|080}}}|{{{2|Slowbro}}}}}
| {{p|Slowbro}}
| Walking
| Water
| 5
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|081}}}|{{{2|Magnemite}}}}}
| {{p|Magnemite}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| 15-16
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|082}}}|{{{2|Magneton}}}}}
| {{p|Magneton}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| 17
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|126}}}|{{{2|Magmar}}}}}
| {{p|Magmar}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|126}}}|{{{2|Magmar}}}}}
| {{p|Magmar}}
| Walking
| Rocky
| 10
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|202}}}|{{{2|Wobbuffet}}}}}
| {{p|Wobbuffet}}
| Walking
| ---
| ---
| ---
| ---
| 16
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|202}}}|{{{2|Wobbuffet}}}}}
| {{p|Wobbuffet}}
| Walking
| Rocky
| 10
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|264}}}|{{{2|Linoone}}}}}
| {{p|Linoone}}
| Walking
| Grassland
| 5
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|288}}}|{{{2|Vigoroth}}}}}
| {{p|Wobbuffet}}
| Walking
| Forest
| 56
| Grassland
| 28
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|305}}}|{{{2|Lairon}}}}}
| {{p|Lairon}}
| Walking
| Rocky
| 24
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|335}}}|{{{2|Zangoose}}}}}
| {{p|Zangoose}}
| Walking
| Grassland
| 12
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|363}}}|{{{2|Spheal}}}}}
| {{p|Spheal}}
| Walking
| Water
| 35
| ---
| ---
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- align=center
| {{MS|{{{1|436}}}|{{{2|Bronzor}}}}}
| {{p|Bronzor}}
| Walking
| Rocky
| 35
| Forest
| 14
| Unknown
| Unknown
|}

== Location ==

Page says "Northeast of [[Cianwood City]], on [[Route 48]]," however, the Johto map shows it as being northwest of Cianwood. Should this be corrected? --[[User:Zukiedo|Zukiedo]] ''([[User talk:Zukiedo|Talk]])'' 08:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sealeo's Sprite ==

Sealeo's entry under the mountain area has a Banette sprite. This should probably be changed to a Sealeo sprite, right?
[[User:Hedgey|Hedgey]] 22:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

== Block numbers ==

What exactly are they for? The numbers in the "Block 1" sections of the charts I mean... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
: The block numbers list the number of block items that need to be present in order to get that pokemon to appear. The information on http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/safarizone.shtml is more clear on that for now. [[User:Daemonten|Daemonten]] 01:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::Mmm... thanks. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==Block Upgrade Notification?==
I got a call from Baoba today, and he said something about the catchable Pokémon changing in one of the areas. Now, I believe it was a block upgrade he was notifying me about, but that seems to clash with the info in the article, especially since he mentioned that somehow you could get the original Pokémon back... Anyway, has this happened to anyone else? I thought that if I'm correct, perhaps this should be added to the article. -[[User:Palkiajosh|•Palkia]][[User talk:Palkiajosh|josh•]]
:Baoba calls when an area has been upgraded. What part is conflicting exactly? ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC))
::Actually, now that I've re-read it, none of it does. I think I just misunderstood. -[[User:Palkiajosh|•Palkia]][[User talk:Palkiajosh|josh•]]

== Inaccurate Maximum Block Upgrades? ==

There's a guide on GameFAQs ([http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960100/59321 found here]) that states:

''"After a certain amount of time, Blocks will level up if left in an area. This will allow one Block to count for up to '''7.'''"''

This would contradict what the article currently says (that the maximum possible value for any given block is 4). Now, normally I would question the guide instead of the wiki, but the guide matches our current data perfectly, as well as lists several statistics which we currently have labeled as "Unknown". The question is, which is correct-- are there only 3 possible upgrades, or is there 6? If I had any other sources, I would personally update the page, but, as it is only one source, I thought it would be better if it were checked out thoroughly by someone besides me. --[[User:Unknown???|'''VW5''rbm''93bj8/Pw==''']] ''[[User talk:Unknown???|(d'''EBM'''aw==)]]'' 17:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, the article here never mentions that the numbers written on here are the maximum at all. The website you provided is correct, however putting information in this article gotten from them would be stealing from them, which is why I didn't do it a long time ago. The numbers listed on here are the upgrades necessary to get all Pokemon out through blocks. Any day count past that I couldn't prove myself, so therefore is not included yet (until someone who can, adds it) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC))
::Then should we slap an {{template|incomplete}} template or something on here until we get the info? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:26, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Sounds good to me, I probably should have done that earlier but I had never thought about it >.< The only thing I'm afraid of is inviting someone to go copy off of another website :/ Which I guess is bound to happen eventually anyways, so no sense in worrying about it :p I would say it's a good idea :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC))

== Magmar's Time of Day ==

Can someone review the time of day Magmar can be captured? I encountered one at 7:30pm/evening, while the current article states only morning/day.
([[User:Rt117|Rt117]] 23:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC))
:Night is 8:00PM to 3:59AM ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC))
::Alright. I was confused because the screen was dark as if it were the evening. ([[User:Rt117|Rt117]] 02:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC))

:::Trust me, the fact that the timeframes for the parts of day were changed between [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]] threw me off as well. It takes some getting used to the fact that Generation IV starts the night phase at 8 PM instead of 6 PM as it was in Generation II. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Questions regarding Block Upgrades ==

I'm having trouble understanding some things about the description of Block Upgrades. Can anybody clarify the following points?
* What does "days used" mean exactly? Does the block just need to be placed in the area, and in case I take a month-long break from playing, the 30 days will still count for the upgrades? Or does is count on how many different days I entered the area?
* Do the upgrades count per block, or per block/area? If a block has been upgraded in the Peak area, and then gets moved to the Desert area, will it be back to level 1 there, or keep its level?
[[User:Anke|Anke]] 12:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:From my experience, Block Upgrades count the number of days you've entered the area; that is, you have to go to the Safari Zone and find a Pokémon in that area each day until it upgrades. Also, the upgrades definitely count per block/area, although I'm fairly certain that all plains-blocks, water-blocks, etc. in an area are upgraded at the same time (So it doesn't really matter whether you use all stumps or both stumps and branches, for instance). I can see how the page is confusing in that respect, as it took me a while to figure out all the details as well. Perhaps the wording could be changed? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::I was able to catch a Riolu today. But the thing is that I didn't go to the Safari Zone very often. So that means Blocks will be upgraded over time instead of by the number of days you visit the Safari Zone. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 23:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Question about the DS clock ==

Can you just set the DS clock ahead and catch pokemon that need days to appear in the area? If so, should we add it to the trivia section? [[User:Borg184|Borg184]] 23:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think so, as I think the games have a sort of system that disallows it, like the Pal Park system or the swarm system. I think it might treat it as if it's still the same game day in the same way of the aforementioned swarm system. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Darn. Then how else can I get a Beldum :P Thanks though [[User:Borg184|Borg184]] 23:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:The event to download the [[Winner's Path]] Pokewalker courseis running right now for the American and PAL versions. It's where I caught mine. [[User:Anke|Anke]] 09:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Beldum_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Game_locations|The article might help you out]]... ;) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Blocks not adequately explained ==

In the section talking about blocks, I don't think the meaning of "blocks" is ever conveyed. It's stated what can be done by the use of blocks, but I don't think without a definition of a "block" a reader can adequately understand this section's meaning. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 01:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Images of sections ==

Would it be asking too much to get some images of the 12 Areas? Even if they're blown up version of the images you used for the shifting of the Safari layout? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Which is right? ==

*To catch a Riolu, Marter's Safari Zone Guide at GAMEFAQS says to plant 10 Forest and 14 Rocky Blocks then wait 70 Days.
*To catch a Riolu, this article says to plant 28 Forest and 42 Rocky Blocks.

Marter's Safari Zone Guide:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/960100-pokemon-soulsilver-version/faqs/59321]

--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 22:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:After 70 days the forest and peak blocks are both worth triple, so they can actually both be right. 10*3=30, which is the minimum needed for 28 blocks, and 14*3=42. The difference is that this article has the requirements, while that guide has the instructions. Since only 30 blocks can be placed, it's impossible to actually place 42 blocks. Once you've waited 70 days, the peak blocks become worth three, so it is actually possible to reach the total required. (the forest blocks are worth three after 60 days). <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trapinch ==

I caught one in the desert area (lv 46) with only 28 small rocks. I don't want to do any edits, though, because I don't know what the real number is.--[[User:Frankjohnson123|Frankjohnson123]] 03:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Forgot to mention, I had just added them that day.--[[User:Frankjohnson123|Frankjohnson123]] 03:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::According to people on GameFAQs, the number of days it takes to double the blocks is based on the number of days the area has been active in the Safari Zone, not the number of days since the blocks were placed, even if you don't go to the Safari Zone. So if the Desert has been one of the six accessible for the past 30 days then the blocks you are placing will each be worth two. 28*2=56, more than the 49 required. In my experience though, it should be that Boaba ''may'' call to tell you of the upgrades. I'm pretty sure I never got a call from him about that, and I've tested, and I definitely have several upgrades. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::That's useful info anyway, thank you, but I just added the desert that day as well. I also never switched days on my DS in case that has anything to do with it.--[[User:Frankjohnson123|Frankjohnson123]] 19:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Had it ever been active before then? The upgrades don't go away if you remove the area from the Safari Zone. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::That must be it, then.--[[User:Frankjohnson123|Frankjohnson123]] 00:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

==New Catch Template Design==
While things are going smoothly with upgrading the design for the catch templates, but the question is that it would be more complicated to do here, namely with the (Block 1) and (Block 2) designs on the old template. Besides that, there are no other questions I have to make about this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

==Metang without the waiting==
Today I used the Safari Zone for the first time (excluding Baoba's 2 challenges). I placed 15 Small Rocks in the Mountain Area to find a Lunatone. I also managed to encounter 8 Metangs (Didn't manage to catch any though). How is this possible? I have never placed an object in the Safari Zone before today, although it would be at least 100 days since I received the objects in the first place (I took a prolonged break). [[User:KrimsonEagl|KrimsonEagl]] 01:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:The number of days is how long the area has been active (i.e. one of the visitable six) and it doesn't matter whether the blocks are placed or the safari zone is visited. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks. Is there an easy way to find out which 6 areas I had 100+ days ago? Or will I just have to use trial and error? [[User:KrimsonEagl|KrimsonEagl]] 08:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, good luck catching one. Metang have the lowest possible catch rate, tied with legendaries such as Ho-oh and Lugia. It was a cruel trick of Game Freak's to stick them in the Safari Zone. >_< --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think there's any place where the days are listed. You'll just have to test it with trial and error if it matters for a particular area. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Slowbro ==

I found a Slowbro at peak without any waterside blocks. I don't want to edit anything without permission so just wanted to let ya know. [[User:Mewtwomaster|Mewtwomaster]] 20:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, in the Rocky Beach, the level of Slowbro isn't 17 when you have 3 peak. I have 4 plains, 8 peak, and 18 forest
right now and I'm seeing lvl 42 Slowbro. [[User:Machtung|Machtung]] 17:26, 24 January 2011 (CST)

== Block upgrade times ==

Since there's ten days between each block upgrade, does anyone have any idea why it takes 80 for the Waterside ones to go up, but it takes twenty more (up to 100) for the Forests to upgrade again? Is this an error or is there actually that ten day gap? [[User:Salix|Salix]] 08:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's an error, but I'm not sure. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

== "Other" blocks ==
What do blocks classified as "Other" count for, if anything? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Emmet

2011-01-31T23:12:22Z

Mewtwo777: /* Trivia */

{{CharInfobox|
color={{white color}} |
corecolor={{white color light}} |
bordercolor={{white color dark}} |
name=Kudari|
jname=クダリ |
tmname=Kudari |
image=Subway Masters.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from magazine scan, on the left|
gender=Male |
hometown=Unknown|
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{tc|Subway Master}} |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{Gen|V}} |
games={{2v2|Black|White}} |
leader=no |
brain=no |
anime=no| |
}}

'''Subway Master Kudari''' (Japanese: '''サブウェイマスタークダリ''' ''Subway Master Kudari'') is one of the leaders of the [[Battle Subway]] in {{game|Black and White|s}}, along with {{FB|Subway Master|Nobori}}.

==In the games==
Kudari can be battled in a [[double battle]] on the Red and Pink lines and with {{FB|Subway Master|Nobori}} in a [[tag battle]] on the Orange and Yellow lines.

===Red and Pink lines===
====On 21st consecutive battle====
{{Party|color={{white color}}|bordercolor={{white color dark}}|headcolor={{white color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master B.png
|prize=10 BP
|class=Subway Master
|name=Kudari
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5|ndex=558|pokemon=Iwaparesu
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=female|type1=Bug|type2=Rock|held=Rugged Helmet
|move1=Stone Edge|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor|move2type=Bug|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flail|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5|ndex=601|pokemon=Gigigiaru
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=none|type1=Steel|held=Steel Jewel
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flash Cannon|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Special
|move3=Protect|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Toxic|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5|ndex=569|pokemon=Dasutodasu
|ability=Broken Armor|level=50|gender=male|type1=Poison|held=Black Sludge
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Venom Shock|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Toxic|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5|ndex=632|pokemon=Aianto
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=male|type1=Bug|type2=Steel|held=Occa Berry
|move1=X-Scissor|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Shadow Claw|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Iron Head|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

====On 49th consecutive battle====
{{Party|color={{white color}}|bordercolor={{white color dark}}|headcolor={{white color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master B.png
|prize=30 BP
|class=Subway Master
|name=Kudari
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5|ndex=530|pokemon=Excadrill
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=male|type1=Ground|type2=Steel|held=Life Orb
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Poison Jab|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5|ndex=612|pokemon=Ononokus
|ability=Mold Breaker|level=50|gender=male|type1=Dragon|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Earthquake|move1type=Ground|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Dragon Claw|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Dragon Tail|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Dance|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Status}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5|ndex=609|pokemon=Shandera
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=male|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire|held=White Herb
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Protect|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Overheat|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5|ndex=604|pokemon=Shibirudon
|ability=Levitate|level=50|gender=male|type1=Electric|held=Magnet
|move1=Thunder Wave|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Status
|move2=Thunderbolt|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Special
|move3=Discharge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Special
|move4=Gastro Acid|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status}}
}}

===Yellow and Orange lines===
====On 21st consecutive battle====
{{Party
|tag=yes
|color={{white color}}
|bordercolor={{black color}}
|headcolor={{white color light}}
|color1={{black color}}
|headcolor1={{black color light}}
|color2={{white color}}
|headcolor2={{white color light}}
|class=Subway Master
|name={{color2|000|Subway Master Nobori|Nobori}}
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master A.png
|class2=Subway Master
|name2=Kudari
|sprite2=Spr BW Subway Master B.png
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|prize=10 BP
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Dasutodasu
|type1=Poison
|ndex=569
|level=50
|gender=female
|ability=Broken Armor
|held=Black Sludge
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Venom Shock|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Toxic|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Status
|move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Gigigiaru
|type1=Steel
|ndex=601
|level=50
|held=Occa Berry
|move1=Gear Change|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Status
|move2=Gear Saucer|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Giga Impact|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Volt Change|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|pokemon=Aianto
|game=Black and White
|type1=Bug
|type2=Steel
|ndex=632
|level=50
|gender=female
|held=Occa Berry
|ability=Hustle
|move1=Shadow Claw|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Iron Head|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=X-Scissor|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Denchura
|type1=Bug
|type2=Electric
|ndex=596
|level=50
|ability=Tension
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=X-Scissor|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Wild Charge|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Thunder Wave|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Status
|move4=Cross Poison|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

====On 49th consecutive battle====
{{Party
|tag=yes
|color={{white color}}
|bordercolor={{black color}}
|headcolor={{white color light}}
|color1={{black color}}
|headcolor1={{black color light}}
|color2={{white color}}
|headcolor2={{white color light}}
|class=Subway Master
|name={{color2|000|Subway Master Nobori|Nobori}}
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master A.png
|class2=Subway Master
|name2=Kudari
|sprite2=Spr BW Subway Master B.png
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|prize=30 BP
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ndex=530
|level=50
|gender=female
|ability=Unknown
|held=Life Orb
|move1=Rock Slide|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Poison Jab|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Ononokus
|type1=Dragon
|ndex=612
|level=50
|gender=female
|ability=Mold Breaker
|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Dragon Dance|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Claw|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Tail|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|pokemon=Shibirudon
|game=Black and White
|type1=Electric
|ndex=604
|level=50
|gender=male
|held=Magnet
|ability=Levitate
|move1=Thunder Wave|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Status
|move2=Thunderbolt|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Special
|move3=Discharge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Special
|move4=Gastro Acid|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Archeos
|type1=Rock
|type2=Flying
|ndex=567
|level=50
|gender=male
|ability=Timid
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Rock Slide|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Protect|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

==Trivia==
* Nobori and Kudari have names that mean exactly the opposite: Nobori comes from 上る ''noboru'', which means to climb or to go up and Kudari comes from 下る ''kudaru'', which means to go down.

{{NPC|white|unova=yes}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[ja:クダリ]]
:* Similarly, in the official artwork, Nobori is smiling (his mouth is "going up"), while Kudari is frowning (his mouth is "going down").

Ingo

2011-01-31T23:11:03Z

Mewtwo777:

{{CharInfobox|
color={{black color}} |
corecolor={{black color light}} |
bordercolor={{black color dark}} |
name=Nobori|
jname=ノボリ |
tmname=Nobori |
image=Subway Masters.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from magazine scan, on the right|
gender=Male |
hometown=Unknown|
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{tc|Subway Master}} |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{Gen|V}} |
games={{2v2|Black|White}} |
leader=no |
brain=no |
anime=no| |
}}

'''Subway Master Nobori''' (Japanese: '''サブウェイマスターノボリ''' ''Subway Master Nobori'') is one of the leaders of the [[Battle Subway]] in {{game|Black and White|s}}, along with {{FB|Subway Master|Kudari}}.

==In the games==
Nobori can be battled in a single battle on the Green and Dark Green lines and with {{FB|Subway Master|Kudari}} in a [[tag battle]] on the Orange and Yellow lines.

===Green and Dark Green lines===
====On 21st consecutive battle====
{{Party|color={{black color}}|bordercolor={{black color dark}}|headcolor={{black color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master A.png
|prize=10 BP
|class=Subway Master
|name=Nobori
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5|ndex=558|pokemon=Iwaparesu
|ability=Sturdy|level=50|gender=male|type1=Bug|type2=Rock|held=Rugged Helmet
|move1=Stone Edge|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor|move2type=Bug|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flail|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5|ndex=601|pokemon=Gigigiaru
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=none|type1=Steel|held=Occa Berry
|move1=Volt Change|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Gear Change|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Status
|move3=Giga Impact|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Gear Saucer|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5|ndex=569|pokemon=Dasutodasu
|ability=Broken Armor|level=50|gender=male|type1=Poison|held=Black Sludge
|move1=Toxic|move1type=Poison|move1cat=Status
|move2=Focus Blast|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Special
|move3=Venom Shock|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
}}

====On 49th consecutive battle====
{{Party|color={{black color}}|bordercolor={{black color dark}}|headcolor={{black color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master A.png
|prize=30 BP
|class=Subway Master
|name=Nobori
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5|ndex=530|pokemon=Excadrill
|ability=Unknown|level=50|gender=female|type1=Ground|type2=Steel|held=Life Orb
|move1=Rock Slide|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Poison Jab|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5|ndex=612|pokemon=Ononokus
|ability=Mold Breaker|level=50|gender=female|type1=Dragon|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Dragon Dance|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Claw|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Tail|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5|ndex=609|pokemon=Shandera
|ability=Flame Body|level=50|gender=male|type1=Ghost|type2=Fire|held=White Herb
|move1=Protect|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Will-O-Wisp|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Overheat|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
}}

===Yellow and Orange lines===
====On 21st consecutive battle====
{{Party
|tag=yes
|color={{white color}}
|bordercolor={{black color}}
|headcolor={{white color light}}
|color1={{black color}}
|headcolor1={{black color light}}
|color2={{white color}}
|headcolor2={{white color light}}
|class=Subway Master
|name=Nobori
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master A.png
|class2=Subway Master
|name2={{color2|000|Subway Master Kudari|Kudari}}
|sprite2=Spr BW Subway Master B.png
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|prize=10 BP
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Dasutodasu
|type1=Poison
|ndex=569
|level=50
|gender=female
|ability=Broken Armor
|held=Black Sludge
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Venom Shock|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Toxic|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Status
|move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Gigigiaru
|type1=Steel
|ndex=601
|level=50
|held=Occa Berry
|move1=Gear Change|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Status
|move2=Gear Saucer|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Giga Impact|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Volt Change|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|pokemon=Aianto
|game=Black and White
|type1=Bug
|type2=Steel
|ndex=632
|level=50
|gender=female
|held=Occa Berry
|ability=Hustle
|move1=Shadow Claw|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Iron Head|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=X-Scissor|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Denchura
|type1=Bug
|type2=Electric
|ndex=596
|level=50
|ability=Tension
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=X-Scissor|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Wild Charge|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Thunder Wave|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Status
|move4=Cross Poison|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

====On 49th consecutive battle====
{{Party
|tag=yes
|color={{white color}}
|bordercolor={{black color}}
|headcolor={{white color light}}
|color1={{black color}}
|headcolor1={{black color light}}
|color2={{white color}}
|headcolor2={{white color light}}
|class=Subway Master
|name=Nobori
|sprite=Spr BW Subway Master A.png
|class2=Subway Master
|name2={{color2|000|Subway Master Kudari|Kudari}}
|sprite2=Spr BW Subway Master B.png
|game=BW
|location=Battle Subway
|prize=30 BP
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ndex=530
|level=50
|gender=female
|ability=Unknown
|held=Life Orb
|move1=Rock Slide|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Poison Jab|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Ononokus
|type1=Dragon
|ndex=612
|level=50
|gender=female
|ability=Mold Breaker
|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Dragon Dance|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Claw|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Tail|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|pokemon=Shibirudon
|game=Black and White
|type1=Electric
|ndex=604
|level=50
|gender=male
|held=Magnet
|ability=Levitate
|move1=Thunder Wave|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Status
|move2=Thunderbolt|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Special
|move3=Discharge|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Special
|move4=Gastro Acid|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|pokemon=Archeos
|type1=Rock
|type2=Flying
|ndex=567
|level=50
|gender=male
|ability=Timid
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Rock Slide|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Protect|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

==Trivia==
* Nobori and Kudari have names that mean exactly the opposite: Nobori comes from 上る ''noboru'', which means to climb or to go up and Kudari comes from 下る ''kudaru'', which means to go down.
:* Similarly, in the official artwork, Nobori is smiling (his mouth is "going up"), while Kudari is frowning (his mouth is "going down").

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[[ja:ノボリ]]

Talk:Imakuni?'s Exploud ex (T Promo 24)

2011-01-31T22:51:56Z

Mewtwo777:

What kind of star? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:A celebrity. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Trio master

2011-01-31T22:12:01Z

Mewtwo777:

Talk:Trio master

2011-01-30T18:37:56Z

Mewtwo777:

Talk:Swords of Justice/Archive 1

2011-01-30T18:37:13Z

Mewtwo777:

==Other possible inspirations?==
Couple of observations that have been pointed out to me that may have also been part of the inspiration for the quartet. In France, where the Musketeer stories originate, there's a variation of Rock, Paper, Scissors which includes a fourth option: Well. It may be coincidence, but the primary types of the Musketeer quartet seem to reflect this. Rock, Steel/Scissors, Grass/Paper, and Water/Well.
Another, slightly more unlikely proposition I've heard is that the four are based upon the four horsemen, with their livestock basis being a nod towards Arceus'[the God or creator] design as an equine creature. Kobaruon would be Conquest; Terakion, War; Birijion, Famine [its pokedex entry specifying it trifles with opponents, implying a slow demise]; and Keldeo, Death.

Should these possible influences be considered and added to the article at some point? When it comes to design inspiration, most pages tend to take liberties, especially with the newer Pokémon. In any case, I felt the two observations were worth bringing up. [[User:Tindil|Tindil]] 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The Rock-Scissors-Paper thing makes a lot of sense to me. Seems like a valid connection.--[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 07:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== Different name? ==

Okay, so, before, I know, the [[lake guardians]] were called by us the lake trio. And now with Gen V being new, this is the musketeer trio. One problem there, though.

'''''THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM.'''''

So I propose naming this page either musketeer ungulates (goes with the rest of the non-mascot trios, which don't use trio in their name), or legendary ungulates. And yes, I do intend for you guys to stop linking to them at every damned chance. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's called the three musketeers hence why it's a trio remember, Keldeo(d'Artagnan) isn't considered one yet as he's a new member and Keldeo being based on him should have the same treatment [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::This is still a dumb name. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I get an odd feeling to rant about how Keldeo doesn't belong, but something tells me that would get me banned again. So rather than ranting, I'll just list what discludes Keldeo.

*Exhibit A) MASS distance; seven Pokédex slots between Terrakion (last in the lineup) and Keldeo.
*Exhibit B) Altered learnset; knows Aqua Jet rather than Quick Attack, learns Sacred Sword at 43 rather than 42, and is the only one to learn Sword of Mystery.
*Exhibit C) Obtain method; the others roam, and Keldeo is an event Pokémon

To think that I inverbally supported the dragons but am disaproving of musketeer junior here. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 01:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

: 1)You mean Virizion.

2) god forbid it learns something different

3) It's the youngest so it takes longer to learn. and Sword of Mystery is an event so it doesn't count

4) your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that last part was me just thinking out loud... or something like that. And just because we're making an anology to a story/legend doesn't mean we need to link together every little bit of the story/legend to Pokémon. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, Keldeo is event-exclusive, so yes, Sword of Mystery does, in a way, count. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hm... Musketeers doesn't make much sense unless you know the origin, and even then Keldeo doesn't really count, even though it's definitely a counterpart. On the other hand, ungulates is very vague and lame; what would we do if another trio were based on ungulates? We'd have another "Dragon Trio" on our hands. I would lean toward Legendary Musketeers: it's not perfect, but it's the best I can think of. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'm totally with TTE on this one (I actually came to this page to request a move). Sure, it's not a member of the trio, but it is closely related. We could call it "legendary musketeers", "musketeer Pokémon", "musketeer ungulates" or "legendary ungulates". As TTE mentioned, only box legends get trio, and there can be considered to be four of these. Also, unless it was officially stated that they are inspired by the musketeers, this is a poor title choice. "Legendary ungulates" seems to be the best choice. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::"Ungulates" isn't going to garner favor or use. "Trio" is also not exclusive to box mascot trios; that's simply how it's happened so far (the Raijin/Kami trio will break it if the Three Musketeers don't). How hard is it to call them the Musketeer Quartet? They're going to be called the "musketeers" for short by the rest of the fandom, no matter '''which''' name is used here, ultimately. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::But it's debateable whether there re 3 or 4 of them, so just not mentioning it is better. Calling them the "Legendary Musketeers" seems to solve this problem. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Remove Keldeo from the article ==

Just because it's another Fighting legendary doesn't mean the trio is a quartet. Besides, it's not confirmed. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 16:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
:ahahahahaha no. Keldeo has a connection to the other three (and yes it happens in game) and it was adopted by them [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trio Master ==
If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Trio master

2011-01-30T18:35:54Z

Mewtwo777:

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:Legendary_birds.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| [[File:GenIII_Battle.jpg|100px]] [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Regis.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| [[File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg|100px]] [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
|}
:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
''
"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions the gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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[[File:First Part.jpg]]

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[[File:Second Part.jpg]]

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[[File:Third Part.jpg]]
:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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[[File:Back cover.JPG]]
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[[File:Cover.JPG]]
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[[File:Cover 2.JPG]]
:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Dr. Zager

2011-01-30T17:51:22Z

Mewtwo777:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Professor_Seger vs http://www.pocketmonsters.net/character/2256
Article was basically copied word for word. Same sentence structure and references in the same order.
[[User:Sunain|Sunain]] 10:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Our article has been changed now. I will speak to the user that appears to have taken content from your website. Sorry for this, but thanks for pointing it out. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis for design ==
Appears to be based on Albert Einstein. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2011-01-28T03:50:52Z

Mewtwo777: /* Nominated for FAC!!! */

==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

--== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I also think there was a shiny Pidgey clock in [[The Stray Charmander]]or whatever teh episode was called.All I know is Ash caught a Charmander in that episode. (Superdanielbros)--[[User:Superdanielbros|Superdanielbros]] 01:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:: I see no reason why this shouldn't be a featured article. I vote yes. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 03:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ghetsis

2011-01-27T02:09:10Z

Mewtwo777:

==Facial Damage==

Due to Geechisu having some sort of deformity in the right side of his face (apparent in his sprite and the latest coro coro artwork) that is most presented by him having an awkward shaped mouth, and also having that eyepatch thing, is it justifiable to say he may have some sort of facial damage? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:Was wondering if you were going to post that here, well putting that he may have facial damage goes a little on the border of speculation but I do think that his oddly shaped mouth should be noticed since it's not a sprite mistake and was obviously on purpose [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:: We've mentioned mass-fan-agreed-on speculation before. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Move to "Getis"? ==

If you listen to his battle music the choir says "Getis" over and over again, and so I think we should move it to "Getis". [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 04:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not until there's a definite answer - plenty of people hear "Penance" being chanted, and before that track was identified as Geechisu's theme, it was believed to be Genosect's and gave rise to the "Dennis" meme because of people hearing that. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Except why would they be chanting an english word that sounds almost exactly like a pronunciation of the charecters name in a japanese game? It's much more likely they are saying "Getis", the characters name, than "Penance", something Getis is not showing at all (I mean, even after you beat him he still acts like he was doing the right thing, defiantly not showing penance at all), or the english name "Dennis", and a weird way of say the name as well (The "is" is not as stressed in the name dennis, as it is in the song, while Getis would have that stressed that way). [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 05:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::It doesn't sound like Getis to me, and you yourself don't even seem sure so it won't be moved. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, what do you hear it as? And how do I not sound sure about it? I am very sure they are saying "Getis". [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 23:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::While you may hear it as "Getis", others may hear it as "Dennis" or "Penance" or even just indiscernible ominous chanting. At any rate, I'm fairly certain that it's a tad too shaky to be suitable evidence for moving a page. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I suppose you're right. Perhaps when he appears in the anime we'll find out how his name is pronounced (Although I do hear the chanting as "Getis" or "Geetis"). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I guess we can wait to see how they pronounce it in the anime. It can't take too long for them to show Getis. I mean, he does appear very close to the start of the game. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 06:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Penance" fits with the Team Plasma theme of making people repent for abusing Pokémon. Granted that Geechisu does not himself do this, but he is still manipulating others into releasing their Pokémon as "penance" for imagined crimes. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 08:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Not really, because plasma is already dead when Getis attacks you. He's just attacking you in anger, not in anyway connected to penance. Penance would not make sense when talking about Getis making a desperate move to try to try to get revenge for destroying his dream. Besides, he wasn't really the sort of person who believed it was freeing pokemon, so Penance would actually be extremely out of context when fighting Getis. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 06:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Romanization ==

It's just [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.ptitle2gli7wce&id=16638#16638 come to my attention] that ゲーチス may actually stand for "Goetis" (from ''{{wp|goetia|goēteia}}'', Greek for "sorcery"). Would this be suitable for everyone?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:Except goetis would be written as ゴーチス　instead of ゲーチス. {{unsigned|mikkim}}
::True, but the Japanese Wikipedia mentions that it can also be written as ゲーティア.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 10:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So...are we good? Any objections?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I did find this {{tt|Sanskrit|I think..}} term "gati" (going/motion/destiny, plural:gatis), the term is used in Buddhism to mean "course of existence" or "destiny". Apparently there are six realms (Deva - god, {{tt|Asura|Coincidentally, one of the names of the seven sages}} - titans, Manusyas - humans, Tiryaks -animals, Pretas - ghost, Narakas -hell beings). So his name could also be a reference to this also. [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 01:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess that that can work. Goetis and Gatis both make more sense than most of the other names that have been guessed. Does anybody object to moving it to Goetis? [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 21:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not a total objection, but perhaps it's just an origin and not the proper romanization? In that case, moving the page would be a mistake. Does Nintendo ever put out any media (be it guides, promotional material, etc.) which would use the romanizations of human characters' names, and thus put this issue to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Ummm, maybe romanizing dento as dent, poddo as pod, and koon as corn is also just an origin but not the proper romanization? Geechisu can also be written as Getis, because the closest thing the Japanese have to a "ti" is chi and su can also be read with the u being silent. It would be a proper romanization, just as proper as デント/dento -> dent　ポッド/poddo -> pod　コオン/ koon -> corn. Offical media is not nessecary, because any objection that you could have to ゲエチス/geechisu -> getis would also apply to デント/ポッド/コオン -> dent/pod/corn. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 00:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Technically I was opposed to those as well, but I suppose you have a point. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::There are countless possible spellings. Also, if Geechisu can be moved, then so should [[Shooti]] be moved to Shooty (the romanization we use now is simply incorrect because of prolonged "i"). Also, it's annoying how Bulbapedia lacks standards lately. I thought we aren't moving the pages because of romanizations, because we're waiting for English version. That's been the admins' trend towards moving lately. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, but are there countless spellings that actually make sense? I am not against Shooti being moved, and Geechisu -> Getis actually makes more sense than Shooti -> Shooty. If we aren't moving them to there correct romanizations, we might as well move Dent back to dento, Corn to Koon, Pod to Poddo, Iris to Airis, and so on. We are using the logical names for the gym leaders, so why are we not using the logical name for Goetis? {{unsigned|mikkim}}

== Interview confirms name "GCis" ==

CoroCoro has an interview with Junichi Masuda that confirms that Geechisu's name is GCis, from the G and Cis (C#) that the timpanis play in his battle theme. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 21:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Would you mind linking your source? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::This spelling, albeit correct meaning-wise, is simply too fugly. Let's just wait for his English name, okie? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That has nothing to do with this [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net (scroll down to the yellow box) [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 22:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::The only thing I see that confirming is the name's origin, not what its romanization is. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::If that is the name's origin, then I guess the correct spelling is how you spell the name of the letter Gee (for G), thus I go for Geecis.[[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 00:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Red Eyes ==

Notice that four of Geechy's six Pokémon have red sclera? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:Notably, he also has a red shade on one of his eyes and two red eyes in his outfit. Coincidence? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::If it were all of them, I would say yes, but unfortunately I think that it is just a slight co-incidence. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia regarding appearance ==

Am I the only one who thinks Geechisu bears a passing resemblance to [http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/id/1178261/?size=400x400&site=rsoc_en&authtoken=7b86a2c58c4972d7e2e2aa060a3ce775&quality=100 this guy]? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 08:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:: Wow, you're right!!!!! [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:We Will Carry On!

2011-01-25T02:03:31Z

Mewtwo777:

==Trivia==
Is this the shortest opening thus far? On an unrelated note, is it also the first opening title to show Ash's Pokémon evolving before they actually do so in the opening, namely Infernape and Torterra? --[[User:YakobTheRed|YakobTheRed]] 14:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:''[[This Dream]]'' also has spoilers, like Treecko's evolution. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can we put that it is the first opening since Diamond and Pearl to be sung by a male. --[[User talk:Renzo493|Renzo493]] 15:00, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::To YakobTheRed's first question, it's one of the longest, which ties with Galactic Battles. Battle Frontier is 31 seconds, Diamond and Pearl is 31 seconds, Battle Dimension is 33 seconds, Galactic Battles is around 36 seconds and Sinnoh League Victors is around 36 seconds. If anything, Battle Frontier or Diamond and Pearl is the shortest. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 15:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

it's only been two songs since we had a male singer
it's not like the japanese version where they only had one male singer...([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC))

== Artist ==

Is [[John Loeffler]] the artist of this song, the one who sang the movie version of ''[[We Will Be Heroes]]''? --[[User talk:Renzo493|Renzo493]] 15:12, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

==Lyrics==
Are we sure it says "friends"? Sounds more like "those" to me... --[[User:YakobTheRed|YakobTheRed]] 15:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I agree. It does sound like "It's about those that work together," rather then "It's about friends that work together." -- ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 05:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC))
:: No. Turn on your TV's closed caption subtitles. It says "friends". - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 21:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark ==
Where is Zoroark in this song? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Liberty Pass

2011-01-25T02:00:06Z

Mewtwo777: Created page with "== English Name == Is Liberty Pass, as seen [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draft:UK_Victini_Event_Announced here.] ~~~~"

== English Name ==
Is Liberty Pass, as seen [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draft:UK_Victini_Event_Announced here.] [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Purrloin (Pokémon)

2011-01-15T19:47:48Z

Mewtwo777:

== about name origin ==

I think I found the ''choro'' part's ethymology. ちょろまかす ''choromakasu'' means to pilfer, to filch, to make off with, which fits the stealing nature explained in the pokédex entry very well. The ''neko'' part of the name is obvious of course. [[User:BlackySully|㊰'''ブラッキーシュリー''']] 00:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, I was thinking it meant "black cat" since everyone knows "neko" is cat in Japanese. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 21:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::I think the ''choro'' comes from ちょろちょろ, which means ''in trickles''. Searching google, I've found many cats named/qualified as ちょろ because of their fur having some spots with diferent color. Blow 02:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Standing ==

OMG did you guys know this thing can stand on two legs?? Here proof:

http://pokebeach.com/scans/japanese/black-white-collection/thumbnails/034-white.gif

Pretty cool huh??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 18:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:Why not put this on trivia?[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesuxelf]] 18:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
::I added it to special abilities. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
*Choroneko and Poochyena are the only Pokémon that can be found normally on the first accessible route of a main region that are not Normal, Flying or Bug-type Pokémon.

Choroneko can't be found on Route 1. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 19:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Frillish (Pokémon)

2011-01-10T03:11:21Z

Mewtwo777: /* I know it's standard. */

{{Forme info|592{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0||_f}}.png|Water|Ghost|[[List of Pokémon with gender differences#Generation V Pokémon|Pururiru's gender differences]]|{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|male|female}} Pururiru|the artwork shown in the infobox and the sprites within the evobox|hour}}
In the Origins section, is it possible that this Pokemon is based on the Sea Angel rather than the jellyfish? --[[User:Oleandervine|Oleandervine]] 02:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:The biology is wrong for a sea angel. Pururiru has tentacles, not wings, or a body-shape closer to Manaphy and Phione. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Note ==

Should the prelease picture of it in a musical be noted in the trivia? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 13:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, probably. Does anyone know which Pokémon was in the other Musical pre-release picture? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:You mean Dageki? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::I don't the sprite matches up. It appears the other one is a short green thing, probably a grass type because of the flower petal on top, though that could be an accessory. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Apparently it was {{p|Yanappu}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== I know it's standard. ==

But do people really have to wait to see an alternate forme or gender difference of a Pokémon? This is an encyclopedia and we should have all info and pictures at all times, viewers shouldn't have to wait for a second to see the other forme/gender. I believe we need a different way, whether we make "Pururiru (Pokémon)/male" and "Pururiru (Pokémon)/female" or what, I don't like the way we do this at all. Now, again I know it's standard and I know you'll probably think, "well it's just your opinion". But please be open-minded. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 03:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pansage (Pokémon)

2011-01-06T03:26:17Z

Mewtwo777:

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

==Yay==
Broccoli. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually it's Willow

it's name comes from willow

appu not so sure...."Ape?"

(and I apologize for my previous mistake) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

:In the part of "Yana", the vegetable(野菜/yasai) might be an origin. When the pronunciation of the Yasai(vegetable) is changed, it becomes yana(野(ya)菜(na)). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
::I could understand that, it'd essentially mean Vegetable Ape. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 04:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I beleive Ape is Eipu [[User:Snozzardi|***Snozzardi***]]

My expectation seems to have been crushed by the name of "Hiyappu(Hyacinthus?)" and "Baoppu(Baobab?)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== I'm almost sure it could be mainspace, but I ask before post it! ==

Trivia
* Yanappu was first seen in an image despicting Toys in the month of July, but it wasn't named and nothing was known about it. In the beggining of August a ''false'' leak of the September issue of CoroCoro showed this Pokémon again with more information about it, but it was proven false, even though this Pokémon is now know as real. This could prove the leak had actually some true ''leaked'' information about the upcoming games and that some of the rest of the Pokémon shown are real too.

(yes.. it needs links xD.. I've been away a while so I'm a little ..off). Thanks in advance. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 03:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

the part about the fake info sounds like speculation.... I think only the first part should be kept [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, you're right I guess! Tc26 added it, thanks T!! [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 05:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Shouln't Yanappu be added to the "In the anime" section as Dento's Yanappu? --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 23:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Derp ==

So the starters and Legendary Trios get their own group pages and the Monkeys don't? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 23:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:They do, it's in Jello(I think)'s userspace [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::It's in mine (though Jello could have one too that I don't know about). [[User:Kenji-girl/Elemental monkeys]]. I'm stuck on what to add to it though. Please feel free to help improve it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

== Protect/Rename? ==

Serebii just revealed the 3 monkey's english names, which were released via English Display Boxes sent to game retailers. There's a picture, but it's low quality. As such, I'm just wondering if an admin may want to protect the 3 elemental monkey's pages, as Serebii isn't a reliable source for Bulba, as posted on multiple pages, or if they think the picture is reliable enough, rename. Just thought I'd post because obviously people will see it and attempt to change it. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 22:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's not just Serebii - it's all unofficial sources of information. We'll just watch the pages for now. I'd rather not lock editing for everyone just in case. If it becomes a problem, we'll deal with it later. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
::Blurry? [http://pokebeach.com/news/1210/pokemon-black-white-display-box.jpg The picture] looks pretty clear to me. I just clicked to zoom in, and I can clearly see the names "Pansage", "Pansear", "Panpour", "N" and "Team Plasma".[[User:Burnpsy|Burnpsy]] 20:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:::They could be nicknamed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:36, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Come on. You know it's utter bullcrap. Pokemon on the screens are never nicknamed. And the "official" screens are always direct translations of their Japanese counterpart. But, I know, "we're Bulbapedia. We must deny everything." --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, these are almost certainly their English names. However, it is better to be overly cautious than not cautious enough. Have these names been trademarked yet? http://www.pansage.com/ has a squatter, http://www.panpour.com/ is open and http://www.pansear.com/ is parked. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish using those as examples... Considering a basic http://www.butterfree.com isn't registered. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Exactly. Registered trademark =/= registered domain. They do not register domain for every single Pokémon name. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::{{p|Croagunk|Croalurk}}, {{p|Shinx|Spinx}}, and {{p|Shellos|Shelios}}. Remember them? That's probably why the admins are waiting for an official confirmation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Um, wasn't those because of a low quality scan rather than what is happening with the monkeys? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:51, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::This scan isn't perfect either. The letters look warped. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I just went to a GameStop and saw a big display box of the video game boxart. The back of the box, which is the same as the normal-sized display box, has a screenshot of the game with the monkeys' names as "Pansage", "Pansear", and "Panpour". 
:::::::::::~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User_talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~([[Special:Contributions/LDEJRuff|see what I have contributed]]) December 28, 2010, 2:44 (EDT)
Its true we should change pages to Pansage, Pansear and panpore. {{unsigned|Pokemonboy3000}}
:No, we should wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 03:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::[http://files.droplr.com/files/19310907/HMun.Photo12291808_1.jpg We have more confirmation.]--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:36, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::So should they be moved now? Seeing as the names are finally confirmed, I don't see why not. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
::::It's really not fair that it's blocked until March 2011. There are many good natured editors who know what their doing who would love to edit and improve these pages. Now we can't. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:14, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Umm... it's an encyclopedia. There are many other pages that you can edit. And... this argument has gone between autoconfirmed users, so we have to block for said users. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::How exactly does that picture you provided offer more proof? It looks even worse than the original. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::On the forums, people are stating that they've seen the box themselves at GameStop. And that they've seen the names, like, clear as day. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I'm not a liar, I was at Gamestop the other day spending Christmas money and I saw the box out on display and Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour were the names of the monkeys, as unlikely as it is though, they still could ne nicknames so I'd say wait for official confirmation like on Pokémon.com --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 14:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::I found this picture http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/pan_monkies.png Is that proof? - Zarthga '''January 5th, 2011'''
:::::::.........That's the same picture we've been using this whole time...-__- [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I've also seen these display boxes; I say we move the pages, if only temporarily. The least we could do would be to have Pansear/pour/sage redirect to Bao/Hiya/Yanappu. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 03:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Elemental monkeys

2011-01-06T00:20:06Z

Mewtwo777:

==Hair==
Uh-oh. Another hair discussion. But really, I couldn't help but notice that Yanakkie, Baokkie, and Hiyakkie's "hair styles" look similar to Dent, Pod, and Corn's, respectively. I know we had a problem with this with Team Galactic, but I think this is a different story. Dent, Pod, and Corn actually use the pre-evolved forms of these Pokémon.

[[File:Spr b g5 512.png]]
[[File:Dent eyes.png|120px]]

Example. Yanakkie has a tuft of "hair" in the front and the back, just like Dent does. Pod has wavy flame-like hair similar to Baokkie and Corn has parted hair like Hiyakkie.

I realize that this is technically an opinion, but I wouldn't bring it up if I wasn't sure that Dent, Pod, and Corn's designs were somewhat inspired by the elemental monkeys. It's kinda similar to [[Baron Alberto]]. Anyone else agree with this? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:yep.i agree.check out my new signature:--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|EBL]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|talk to me!]])'' 01:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== English names confirmed ==

[http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml From Serebii]: {{p|Yanappu|Pansage}}, {{p|Baoppu|Pansear}} and {{p|Hiyappu|Panpour}}. Will we wait for more reliable confirmation?----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 21:05, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii? Of course we'll wait for a better source. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

[http://pokebeach.com/news/1210/pokemon-black-white-display-box.jpg Does this Mean anything?]. It looks to me like it's true guys. But you know, whatever, Bulbapedia probably needs more concrete confirmation. --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 22:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:Ooh, a full scan. Nice. Makes it more authentic, but it'd be better to have an update from Pokémon.com or something. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yup, something a bit more official, or at least something a bit more high-res just for ideal confirmation would be ideal. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 23:29, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I say it's confirmed, as I've held those same display boxes with my own two hands in the Redmond, WA Gamestop, and those were the names on the box. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 00:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Elemental monkeys

2011-01-06T00:19:48Z

Mewtwo777:

M14

2010-12-03T18:52:18Z

Mewtwo777:

{{futureepisode|yes}}
{{MovieInfobox|
|colorscheme=BW

|jatitle=ビクティニと黒き英雄
|rotitle=Victini and the Black Hero
|poster=Victini and the Black Hero poster.png
|jpprem=July 2011
|usprem=TBA
|jpvid=N/A
|usvid=N/A
|usrating=?
|ukrating=?
|carating=?
|qurating=?
|irrating=?
|aurating=?
|nzrating=?
|jprating=?
|derating=?
}}
(Japanese: '''ビクティニと{{tt|黒|くろ}}き{{tt|英雄|えいゆう}}''' ''Victini and the Black Hero'') is the first {{series|Best Wishes}} movie and the fourteenth [[Pokémon movie]] overall. Its release is yet to be announced.

The movie is set to feature the Victory Pokémon {{p|Victini}} and the Deep Black Pokémon {{p|Zekrom}}.

==Other posters and logos==
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Movie 14 Pikachu the Movie poster.png|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
File:Victini and the Black Hero logo.png|''Victini and the Black Hero'' logo
</gallery>

==Plot==
==Featured Pokémon==

* {{p|Zekrom}}
* {{p|Victini}}

==Pokémon==
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})

* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})

* {{p|Oshawott}} 
* {{p|Tepig}} 
* {{p|Snivy}} 





* {{p|Victini}}

* {{p|Zekrom}}

==Cast==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%;}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | 
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! {{an|Iris}}
| 
! Iris
| [[Aoi Yūki]]
! lang="ja" | アイリス
| lang="ja" | 悠木碧
|-
! {{an|Dent}}
| 
! Dent
| [[Mamoru Miyano]]
! lang="ja" | デント
| lang="ja" | 宮野真守
|-

! [[Jessie]]
| 
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| 
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| 
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ

|-
! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| 
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
|}

==Soundtrack==
==Events==
A special Victini possibly knowing {{m|V-Generate}}, will be distributed to commemorate the movie.

==Trivia==
==In other languages==
==External links==
*[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp Japanese movie website]
*[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/movie Pokemon.co.jp movie website]

{{stub|Anime}} 
{{Movies}} 
{{Project Anime notice|mov}}

[[Category:Movies]]

Talk:Pokémon LEGEND (TCG)

2010-11-10T01:57:20Z

Mewtwo777:

Does a Pokémon LEGEND card played to the bench count as one or two Pokémon? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:Two I believe. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:No, it's only one. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 01:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2010-11-09T01:00:01Z

Mewtwo777: /* Shiny legendary pokémon? */

> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]
: I got a legit Shiny Dialga on my first try!!! Hah! BEAT THAT!!! [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 01:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}

Talk:Groudon (Pokémon)

2010-10-26T23:45:36Z

Mewtwo777:

== Groudon VS. Kyogre ==
If a Groudon battled a Kyogre, and they were both same level, would drought or drizzle last for the rest of the battle? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 14:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe both... but is that possible? --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 14:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)♫☆
:I'm not completely possitive, but I think that they'll just cancel each other out. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 17:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::I've already had this dicussion before. The weather effect is chosen at random between the two. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 17:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I've read that it's whichever Pokémon has lower speed. I don't know where I read that, but it was somewhere. Possibly here, possibly Serebii. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 23:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Well that actually does sound pretty logical. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Lower speed? Wait that doesn't make sense, it's not the other way around? Why would some Pokémon with lower speed have their ability to work quicker?
:::::I know I'm going off-topic now, but how can I get Pokémon sprites to my signature like you guys have? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I didn't see the lower speed thing. Yea, I think it will be the effect of the one with the '''higher''' speed stat. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Come to think of it the one with lower speed CAN make sense. Could it be possible that the first weather takes effect and then the other one replaces it? I'd love to see a YouTube video of this happening. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I got a better idea I will MAKE a YouTube video with that happening. I will do that on Wednesday. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm up for a battle, 1 on 1, Groudon VS (my) Kyogre. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 00:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was whoever was sent out second, their Ability will take effect... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Except for the fact that they're both sent out at the same time. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''01:58 4 Jun 2008'''''

::But the games don't actually show them being sent out at exactly the same time... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::When its groudons turn, drought is in effect and vice versa ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

::::If that's the case, then Kyogre should win the battle seeing that it has the type advantage that is increased by its Drizzle Ability. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had experience with this since me and my friend battle our groudon and kyogre respectivly, the pokemon who is sent out '''second''' will have it's ability active since it overrides the first one's ability, speed has nothing to do with it and no game has changed that not even battle revolution. so technically it's random since the the first one out almost always changes each battle. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:What really happens is that Drought and Drizzle really do activate in Speed order, if both Groudon and Kyogre are sent out first. The faster Pokémon's ability activates, then the slower one's activates. If both Groudon and Kyogre are switched in at the same time, then the Pokémon that actually comes out of the Poké Ball first activates its ability first, then the other one's activates afterward. That situation depends on who selects to switch Pokémon out first/last. This also applies to Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow. [[User:Ranko Hoshino|Ranko Hoshino]] 02:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Fake Groudons ==

Perhaps it could be an interesting trivia how Groudon copies and illusions have appeared lots: That ''thing'' in the Jirachi movie, Mismagius' illusion and Uxie's illusion in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2

:/
::exactly, I forgot about the Mismagius thing but it is definatley trivia worth [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I was watching ''Jirachi: The Wishmaker'' the other day, and i think the movie provides useful insight into how the real Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were created. The movie reveals that at least two things are necessary to create one of the Weather Trio: a special mineral of which their bodies consist, and a special marking. Whoever created each of them, let's say Arceus, drew markings into the ground using the aforementioned mineral, and like a spell, a being arose with the abilities of said markings. The reason that Butler's plan didn't work was because the marking for Groudon wasn't finished since Jirachi was taken out of the machine. The result was a monster that was kind of like Groudon, but had watery tendrils, and absorbed all the life it could reach into its body. (I call it 'Grougre' since it looked like Groudon, could manipulate water like Kyogre, and had the uncanny power to absorb life. At least, i think it's a good name. :P ) Anyway, that would explain why Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza all have strange, unique markings on them.
Also, shouldn't an article be made about the monster Groudon?-- [[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] 02:56, 26 May 2010

== Groudon Origins ==

I noticed that there is no similarity to Groudon and Godzilla. Considering it battles Kyogre and levels sootopolis, also considering its appearance, I think Godzilla should be added to its list of possible origins.--[[User:Janis|Janis]] 20:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:yes, it could be, and it could be compared that Groudon's [[Solar Beam]] comes out from its mouth like what Godzilla do when it uses its Atomic Breath? [[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 11:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

not to mention that it's shiny form is yellow, like godzilla.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 00:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

:wait what? in what godzilla anything is godzilla yellow?! i grew up on godzilla stuff and i think i'd remember his color changing from he dark green, dark blue, or dark browns that he's always been depicted as to yellow. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

::Godzilla's either charcoal-grey (most movies) or dark green (Hanna-Barbera cartoon, 2000, vs. Megaguirus). Either way, not yellow. [[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 09:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Something else about the name origin? ==

Perhaps the "don" in "Groudon" stands for the Japanese ドンッ (''don'') which is an onomatopoeia for a crash? (Considering that Groudon can create earthquakes by slamming its feet onto the ground, they would make the "don" sound) Just wondering. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 04:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Japanese Text ==
I notice that the Japanese text here is not translated like in most/all of the other Pokémon pages. I would do this, but I don't speak japanese and I know Google translator can be very iffy when translating more than a word or two. If someone could do this, that would be great.[[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 02:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Height Trivia ==
Groudon in the anime IS the correct size. It's not the same HEIGHT as Arbok, as Arbok's "height" is LENGTH. Look at the two in the PokéDex for crying out loud! I would upload a comparison pic myself but I have no way of recording anything on my DSi unlike most other people. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 19:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Type Trivia ==
"Groudon is the only Ground-type Legendary Pokémon, excluding Arceus holding an Earth Plate."
[[Landlos (Pokémon)]]
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[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Mewtwo777

2010-10-23T23:24:23Z

Mewtwo777:

== Talk pages ==

As I mentioned in the article, talk pages are only for the discussion of the article itself. If there's nothing to add or fix in the article, then please don't add anything, that's what the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 forums] are for.
Please don't remove talk page comments either, as you did with mine. If you are not familiar with the rules there is a [[Bulbapedia:Talk page|Talk page policy]], please read it over. Thanks. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:Oops, I didn't even see yours. Sorry!!! *sweatdrops*
BTW, How do you put an image in your signature??? {{unsigned|Mewtwo777}}

:As per the [[Bulbapedia:Signature policy|Signature policy]], images are not allowed in signatures. So you're going to have to edit your signature to reflect that. Don't forget to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (even on your own talk page!). —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:Then why do I see images in signatures like on Linoone's talk page?
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
::Those are from before the policy was implemented (as you can see, they're from 2007). The rules have changed since then and now everyone has to follow the same rules, so no one is allowed to have images in their signature. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Unova Route 3

2010-10-23T22:17:58Z

Mewtwo777: /* Intro */

==Cheren's Pokemon==

By the way, Cheren's starter is holding an Oran Berry.
I only have this confirmed if Pokabu was chosen.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Ranger Net

2010-08-20T17:52:52Z

Mewtwo777: /* Protect the Lost Shaymin! */ Fixed link

'''Ranger Net''' is a feature in the games {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}, {{g|Ranger: Shadows of Almia}} and {{g|Ranger: Guardian Signs}}. It allows {{player}}s to play and replay missions.

==Pokémon Ranger==
In the first game, it is unlocked after finishing the game. One must press <code>R + X + Left</code> to unlock it. A Manaphy Egg can be transferred after finishing the specific missions.

===Special Missions===
====Recover the Precious Egg!====
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| American
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| UK{{tt|*|Including English versions released in Netherlands and Belgium}}
| <code>Mg35-Cpb8-4FW8</code>
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| French{{tt|*|Including French version released in Belgium}}
| <code>DY4g-k28S-QB9F</code>
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| German
| <code>R3d4-cv2S-WC7W</code>
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| Spanish
| <code>C58f-t3WT-Vn79</code>
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| Italian
| <code>FH38-fwD8-5S2a</code>
|}
{{-}}

Prof. Hastings obtained a Manaphy Egg, but it was stolen by the Go-Rock Squad!
Before they can do any harm with the precious Egg, recover it from the criminals!

====Gain Deoxys’s Trust?!====
An extremely rare Deoxys has been discovered. However, it has turned aggressive for some unknown reason. Capture and becalm it before it harms other Pokémon or people!

====Rescue Celebi!====
There have been reports that Go-Rock Squad holdouts are after Celebi, which appeared in Lyra Forest. To protect this rare Pokémon, capture it before the Go-Rock Squad can!

====Find Mew, the Mirage!====
Mew, the Pokémon said to be a mirage, has been sighted in the Olive Jungle. Capture Mew for Prof. Hastings’s research and for the honor of a ranger.

==Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia==
In the second game, it does not need to be unlocked, missions do, however. Missions are can be downloaded via Wi-Fi during specific periods.

===Special Missions===

They allow players to send certain Pokémon to their Generation IV games after its completion.

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|-
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Mission}}
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Requirements}}
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| Manaphy
| Become a Ranger
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" | Riolu
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" rowspan="2" | Finish the story and become a level 10 Ranger
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Darkrai
|}
{{-}}

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{soam|Recover the Manaphy Egg!|Vientown|Barlow|rw=ManaphyEgg|rwd=mg|locl=yes|namel=yes|clr=a}}
| valign="top" |
{{soam|Rescue Kidnapped Riolu!|Vientown|Barlow|A Riolu that can use the move Aura Sphere has been abducted by Team Dim Sun. That Riolu is really close to a kid named Kyle. Work with him to rescue Riolu! |rw=447|rwd=mg|locl=yes|namel=yes|clr=a}}
| valign="top" |
{{soam|Liberate the Tower!|Ranger Union|name=Chairperson Erma|Erma|Someone has taken over the Altru Tower! There are also rumors of shadowy characters gathering near the Tower. Please go immediately to the Altru Tower and liberate it. This is for all the citizens!|rw=491|rwd=mg|locl=yes|namel=yes|clr=a}}
|}
====Recover the Manaphy Egg!====
A {{p|Happiny}} has found {{p|Manaphy}}'s egg and the player needs to go to her in order to get the egg. The egg can be transferred after doing this mission.

{| align="center" style="background: #2d4b98; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7090e3; "
|-
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Version}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|End of Availability}}
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| Japanese
| March 20, 2008 December 1, 2008
| June 15, 2008 January 15, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| American
| November 10, 2008
| January 31, 2009
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | European
| style="background: #fff" | November 21, 2008
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | February 14, 2009
|}
{{-}}

====Rescue Kidnapped Riolu!====
Team Dim Sun manages to take control of Kyle's {{p|Riolu}} which knows {{m|Aura Sphere}}. It is the player's job to rescue it. The player will eventually fight Riolu in the place where they fought {{p|Gliscor}}. This special Riolu can be transferred after doing this mission. Note that Riolu cannot have a different nature, gender or ability and cannot be shiny.

{| align="center" style="background: #2d4b98; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7090e3; "
|-
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Version}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|End of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color2|2d4b98|Original Trainer|OT}}
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|2d4b98|Trainer ID number|ID No.}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | March 20, 2008 December 1, 2008
| style="background: #fff" | June 15, 2008 January 15, 2009
| style="background: #fff" | {{tt2|カイト|Kaito|0070f8}}
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" rowspan="7" | 03208
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| American
| November 10, 2008
| January 31, 2009
| rowspan="3" | {{color|0070f8|Kyle}}
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| English
| rowspan="5" | November 21, 2008
| rowspan="5" | February 14, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| German
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| French
| {{color|0070f8|Karel}}
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| Italian
| {{color|0070f8|Carlo}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Spanish
| style="background: #fff" | {{color|0070f8|Kiko}}
|}
{{-}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Riolu|
nick=リオル|
gender=m|
level=30|
game=4p|
ndex=447|
typea=Fighting|
otcolor=blue|
ot=カイト|
id=03208|
ability1=Steadfast|
nature=Serious|
date=Mar. 20, 2008|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Fighting|move1=Aura Sphere|
type2=Ghost|move2=Shadow Claw|
type3=Steel|move3=Bullet Punch|
type4=Fighting|move4=Drain Punch|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
soa=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes
}}

=====Wonder Cards=====

{| align"left"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|lang=jap|
ms1=447|
title=<sc>ゆうしゅうな　ポケモントレ－ナ－へ</sc>|
msg=<sc>アルミアちほうの　レンジャ－ユニオン から　リオルほごの　いらいがきた。 リオルを　りっぱにそだててくれ！ ポケモンを　うけとったら　このカ－ドは すてておこう！</sc>|
date=<sc>２００８／０３／２０</sc>}}
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=447|
title=<sc>Trusted Pokémon Trainer:</sc>|
msg=<sc>Almia's Ranger Union requests that you protect this RIOLU. Watch over RIOLU carefully! Once you receive this Pokémon, discard this card.</sc>|
date=<sc>Nov. 10, 2008</sc>}}
|}

{| align"left"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=447|
title=<sc>Geschätzter Pokémon-Trainer:</sc>|
msg=<sc>Almias Ranger-Vereinigung möchte, dass du dieses RIOLU beschützt. Wache gut über dieses RIOLU! Nachdem du das Pokémon erhalten hast, kannst du die Karte wegwerfen.</sc>|
date=<sc>Nov. 21, 2008</sc>}}
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=447|
title=<sc>Honorable Dresseur Pokémon,</sc>|
msg=<sc>La Fédération Ranger d'Almia vous confie la garde de ce RIOLU. Prenez-en bien soin! Vous pourrez jeter cette carte une fois que vous aurez reçu ce Pokémon.</sc>|
date=<sc>Nov. 21, 2008</sc>}}
|}

{| align"left"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=447|
title=<sc>Esperto Allenatore di Pokémon:</sc>|
msg=<sc>La Federazione Ranger di Almia ti chiede di proteggere questo RIOLU. Accudiscilo con cura! Una volta ricevuto questo Pokémon, elimina questa scheda.</sc>|
date=<sc>Nov. 21, 2008</sc>}}
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=447|
title=<sc>Estimado entrenador Pokémon:</sc>|
msg=<sc>La Unión Ranger de Almia te solicita que acojas a este RIOLU. ¡Cuida a RIOLU con esmero! Cuando hayas recibido el Pokémon, rechaza esta tarjeta.</sc>|
date=<sc>Nov. 21, 2008</sc>}}
|}

====Liberate the Tower!====
The player will find {{p|Darkrai}} in the place where they fought it before, but this time it will help them. Darkrai will use its ability, Dark Power, to send some Team Dim Sun members to the Dark Void. Darkrai can be transfered after doing this mission.

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|-
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Version}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|End of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color2|2d4b98|Original Trainer|OT}}
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|2d4b98|Trainer ID number|ID No.}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | April 26, 2008 December 1, 2008
| style="background: #fff" | June 15, 2008 January 15, 2009
| style="background: #fff" | {{tt2|アルミア|Almia|0070f8}}
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" rowspan="3" | 03208
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| American
| rowspan="2" | December 1, 2008
| rowspan="2" | January 31, 2009
| rowspan="2" | {{color|0070f8|Almia}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | European
|}
{{-}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Darkrai|
nick=ダークライ|
level=50|
game=4p|
ndex=491|
typea=Dark|
otcolor=blue|
ot=アルミア|
id=03208|
ability1=Bad Dreams|
nature=Random|
date=Apr. 26, 2008|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Dark|move1=Dark Void|
type2=Dark|move2=Dark Pulse|
type3=Ghost|move3=Shadow Ball|
type4=Normal|move4=Double Team|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
soa=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes
}}

=====Wonder Cards=====

{| align"left"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|lang=jap|
ms1=491|
title=<sc>ゆうしゅうな　ポケモントレ－ナ－へ</sc>|
msg=<sc>アルミアちほうの　レンジャ－ユニオン から　ダ－クライほごの　いらいがきた。 ダ－クライを　りっぱにそだててくれ！ ポケモンを　うけとったら　このカ－ドは すてておこう！</sc>|
date=<sc>２００８／０４／２６</sc>}}
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=491|
title=<sc>Trusted Pokémon Trainer:</sc>|
msg=<sc>Almia's Ranger Union requests that you protect this DARKRAI. Watch over DARKRAI carefully! Once you receive this Pokémon, discard this card.</sc>|
date=<sc>Dec. 1, 2008</sc>}}
|}

{| align"left"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=491|
title=<sc>Geschätzter Pokémon-Trainer:</sc>|
msg=<sc>Almias Ranger-Vereinigung möchte, dass du dieses DARKRAI beschützt. Wache gut über dieses DARKRAI! Nachdem du das Pokémon erhalten hast, kannst du die Karte wegwerfen.</sc>|
date=<sc>Dec. 1, 2008</sc>}}
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=491|
title=<sc>Honorable Dresseur Pokémon,</sc>|
msg=<sc>La Fédération Ranger d'Almia vous confie la garde de ce DARKRAI. Prenez-en bien soin! Vous pourrez jeter cette carte une fois que vous aurez reçu ce Pokémon.</sc>|
date=<sc>Dec. 1, 2008</sc>}}
|}

{| align"left"
|-
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=491|
title=<sc>Esperto Allenatore di Pokémon:</sc>|
msg=<sc>La Federazione Ranger di Almia ti chiede di proteggere questo DARKRAI. Accudiscilo con cura! Una volta ricevuto questo Pokémon, elimina questa scheda.</sc>|
date=<sc>Dec. 1, 2008</sc>}}
| valign="top" |
{{wondercard|
ms=1|
ms1=491|
title=<sc>Estimado entrenador Pokémon:</sc>|
msg=<sc>La Unión Ranger de Almia te solicita que acojas a este DARKRAI. ¡Cuida a DARKRAI con esmero! Cuando hayas recibido el Pokémon, rechaza esta tarjeta.</sc>|
date=<sc>Dec. 1, 2008</sc>}}
|}

===Extra Missions===
These missions do not allow Pokémon to be sent to other games.

{| align="center" style="background: #2d4b98; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7090e3; "
|-
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Mission}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|Version}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44" | {{color|2d4b98|End of Availability}}
! style="background: #0c1e44; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|2d4b98|Requirements}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" rowspan="3" | Dialga
| style="background: #fff" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | June 16, 2008
| style="background: #fff" rowspan="6" | None
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" rowspan="9" | Finish the game and become a level 10 Ranger
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| American
| January 5, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| European
| January 12, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="3" | Palkia
| Japanese
| June 16, 2008
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| American
| January 5, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| European
| January 12, 2009
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="3" | Shaymin
| style="background: #fff" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | July 19, 2008 December 1, 2008
| style="background: #fff" | August 31, 2008 January 15, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| American
| rowspan="2" | March 1, 2009
| April 30, 2009
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| European
| March 31, 2009
|}
{{-}}

====Dialga in Hia Valley!?====
[[Image:Batonnage dialga.PNG|left|frame|Dialga in Almia Castle|190px]]
{{p|Dialga}} has disrupted the flow of time, sending the player and {{ra|Wendy}} back in time to before the player's family has moved to [[Chicole Village]]. Apparently, the injured Dialga used {{m|Roar of Time}} on the player and Wendy to protect itself. Dialga is found in the [[Almia Castle]], right by the {{p|Riolu}} statues. This is where Wendy and the player must go in order to capture it so that they could treat it and go back to their own time. However, Dialga will use Roar of Time once again if the capture takes too long (about 60 seconds), sending the player back to Chicole Village. After the capture, [[Professor Hastings]] would claim that the player took 10 seconds to capture {{p|Dialga}}.

====Palkia in Haruba Desert!?====
[[Image:Batonnage palkia.PNG|right|frame|Palkia in Hippowdon Temple|190px]]
{{p|Palkia}}'s presence starts to distort the fabric of space in [[Almia]]. This causes the Pokémon to appear in places they usually don't and other odd things, such as fishermen fishing by sand and lava. This also causes people to go to a different place when they enter things such as doors. The player will have to capture Palkia in the basement of [[Hippowdon Temple]] so that it could be treated and the distortions could be fixed. [[Sven]] and [[Henry]] join the player during this mission.

====For the Bride and Shaymin!====
[[File:Rangernetshaymin.png|left|frame|Shaymin hidden in the flowers]]
[[Erma]] and [[Professor Hastings]] receive an invitation on behalf of the player. It turns out that [[Ollie]] and [[Elaine]] are getting married! The player, Hastings, and the other rangers come and celebrate, but Team Dim Sun Remnants show up, trying to steal the bride's bouquet. It turns out the bouquet is none other than a {{p|Shaymin}}. Team Dim Sun wants to get it in order to sell the rare Pokémon for a huge amount of money to buy new weapons for the team.

Shaymin flees, and the player is assigned to return Shaymin, whose tendency is to hide with flowers. To make things more difficult, there are flowers all over the [[Pueltown|town]] shaped like Shaymin! The player, Hastings, and the other rangers leave the couple behind. They are not the only ones looking, though, as Team Dim Sun also wants to find it. During the first encounter of the scared Shaymin, the player will have to capture an {{p|Absol}} and {{p|Umbreon}}. On the second encounter, the player will have to capture a {{p|Roserade}} and two {{p|Bellossom}}. After that, Team Dim Sun manages to corner Shaymin on the bridge, who, out of anger, attacks them. The player then has to capture it to calm it down. After that everyone returns to the wedding, Shaymin will shower the place with flowers as a sign of gratitude and disappear.

==Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs==

===Special Missions===

{| align="center" style="background: #17607b; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7adafd; "
|-
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Mission}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Requirements}}
|-align="center" style="background: #fff"
| Manaphy
| Unknown
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" | Deoxys
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" rowspan="3" | Finish the story
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" | Heatran
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Shaymin
|}
{{-}}

====Deoxys and the Mysterious Temple====
(Japanese: '''デオキシスとナゾのしんでん''')

The mission ends with the player having to capture Deoxys, whom challenges him or her in all four of its forms. Once the player has have defeated it, he or she will have the ability to transfer it to any of the [[Generation IV|Fourth Generation]] handheld Pokémon games. The [[Formes|forme]] of the Deoxys received depends entirely upon how the mission goes. This mission can only be done in multiplayer mode. Each mission has a group leader and the group leader is the only one to download the Deoxys.

{| align="center" style="background: #17607b; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7adafd; "
|-
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Version}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|End of Availability}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | March 6, 2010
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | May 17, 2010
|}
{{-}}

{| align="center"
|-

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Deoxys|
nick=デオキシス|
level=50|
game=4h|
ndex=386|
typea=Psychic|
otcolor=blue|
ot=オブリビア|
id=03060|
ability1=Pressure|
date=March 6, 2010|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Psychic|move1=Psycho Boost|
type2=Normal|move2=Leer|
type3=Normal|move3=Wrap|
type4=Ghost|move4=Night Shade|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
gs=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes|
ribbon=yes|
}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Deoxys|
nick=デオキシス|
level=50|
game=4h|
ndex=386A|
dexno=386|
typea=Psychic|
otcolor=blue|
ot=オブリビア|
id=03060|
ability1=Pressure|
date=March 6, 2010|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Psychic|move1=Psycho Boost|
type2=Steel|move2=Meteor Mash|
type3=Fighting|move3=Superpower|
type4=Normal|move4=Hyper Beam|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
gs=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes|
ribbon=yes|
}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Deoxys|
nick=デオキシス|
level=50|
game=4h|
ndex=386D|
dexno=386|
typea=Psychic|
otcolor=blue|
ot=オブリビア|
id=03060|
ability1=Pressure|
date=March 6, 2010|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Psychic|move1=Psycho Boost|
type2=Fighting|move2=Detect|
type3=Fighting|move3=Counter|
type4=Psychic|move4=Mirror Coat|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
gs=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes|
ribbon=yes|
}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Deoxys|
nick=デオキシス|
level=50|
game=4h|
ndex=386S|
dexno=386|
typea=Psychic|
otcolor=blue|
ot=オブリビア|
id=03060|
ability1=Pressure|
date=March 6, 2010|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Psychic|move1=Psycho Boost|
type2=Normal|move2=Swift|
type3=Normal|move3=Double Team|
type4=Normal|move4=ExtremeSpeed|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
gs=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes|
ribbon=yes|
}}

====Protect the Legendary Blue Orb!====
(Japanese: '''でんせつのあおいたまをまもれ！''')

The second mission features the Pokémon Ranger staple, the Manaphy [[Egg]]. In this mission, the Manaphy Egg appears in the [[Oblivia]] Region. However, the [[Pokémon Pinchers]] want to get their hands on it so the player has to prevent them from doing so, even going Underwater to do it. Once the player has retrieved the egg, he or she will be able to send it to any handheld [[Generation IV|Generation IV game]].

{| align="center" style="background: #17607b; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7adafd; "
|-
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Version}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|End of Availability}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | March 6, 2010
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | May 17, 2010
|}
{{-}}

====Investigate the Mysterious Eruption!====
(Japanese: '''なぞのふんかをちょうさせよ！''')

The third mission features the Pokémon Heatran. In this mission, players will get notified of massive eruptions in a volcano in Oblivia which has been disturbing the nearby tourists. The player's task is to investigate the cause, which turns out to be Heatran. By capturing it and completing the mission players will be able to transfer Heatran over to any handheld [[Generation IV]] Pokémon game.

{| align="center" style="background: #17607b; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7adafd; "
|-
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Version}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|End of Availability}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | March 18, 2010
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | May 17, 2010
|}
{{-}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Heatran|
nick=ヒードラン|
gender=m|
level=50|
game=4h|
ndex=485|
types=2|
typea=Fire|
typeb=Steel|
otcolor=blue|
ot=オブリビア|
id=03060|
ability1=Flash Fire|
nature=Quiet|
date=March 18, 2010|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Fire|move1=Eruption|
type2=Fire|move2=Magma Storm|
type3=Ground|move3=Earth Power|
type4=Rock|move4=AncientPower|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
gs=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes|
ribbon=yes|
}}

====Protect the Lost Shaymin!====
(Japanese: '''まよえるシェイミをほごせよ！''')

The fourth mission features the Pokémon Shaymin. In the mission, players will be notified that a Shaymin has arrived in Oblivia. Naturally, the Pokémon Pinchers are eager to capture Shaymin. This mission requires players to protect it, and even takes to the skies, when Shaymin transforms into its Sky Forme. Capture the Shaymin and the player will be able to transfer it to his or her Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold or SoulSilver games. This Shaymin can also activate the [[Gracidea Flower]] in Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver.

{| align="center" style="background: #17607b; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7adafd; "
|-
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Version}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|End of Availability}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Japanese
| style="background: #fff" | March 18, 2010
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | May 17, 2010
|}
{{-}}

{{G4event|
ball=Poké|
pokemon=Shaymin|
nick=シェイミ|
level=30|
game=4h|
ndex=492|
typea=Grass|
otcolor=blue|
ot=オブリビア|
id=03060|
ability1=Natural Cure|
date=March 6, 2010|
met=Pokémon Ranger|
type1=Normal|move1=Growth|
type2=Grass|move2=Magical Leaf|
type3=Grass|move3=Leech Seed|
type4=Grass|move4=Synthesis|
receive=no|
country=many countries|
distribution=no|
gs=yes|
heartgold=yes|
soulsilver=yes|
ribbon=yes|
}}

===Extra Missions===
{| align="center" style="background: #17607b; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #7adafd; "
|-
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Mission}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|Version}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|Start of Availability}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9" | {{color|17607b|End of Availability}}
! style="background: #2cb8e9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|17607b|Requirements}}
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff" | Giratina
| rowspan="2" style="background: #fff" | Japanese
| rowspan="2" style="background: #fff" | April 15, 2010
| rowspan="2" style="background: #fff" | None
| rowspan="2" style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Finish the game
|-align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | Arceus
|}
{{-}}

====Giratina's Platinum Orb!!====
(Japanese:'''ギラティナにはっきんだまを！！''')

====Pledge to Arceus====
(Japanese:'''アルセウスへのちかい''')

Players will also fight {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} in this mission.

==Trivia==
* When the player plays through two extra missions in [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|Shadows of Almia]], Dialga In Hia Valley and Palkia in Haruba Desert, lots of new areas open up inside Almia Castle and Hippowdon Temple. These areas are not normally found in normal gameplay.
* Also, as stated by the designers, the player cannot save inside the extra missions in Shadows of Almia. Therefore, all exits capable of getting out of Haruba Desert or Almia Castle are all blocked. The Save Machines read: "It says 'Undergoing Adjustments' on the screen".

==See also==
===On Bulbanews===
*{{n|Dialga, Palkia Ranger missions now available}}
*{{n|Dialga, Palkia Ranger missions available in Europe}}
*{{n|Shaymin Extra Mission announced for American Pokémon Ranger}}
*{{n|Shaymin Ranger event begins in U.S., EU}}

{{Pokémon Ranger}}
{{Event Pokémon}}

{{Stub|Game}}
[[Category:Pokémon Ranger]]

Psych Up (move)

2010-08-20T00:59:01Z

Mewtwo777: /* Trivia */

{{MoveInfobox|
n=244 |
name=Psych Up |
jname=じこあんじ |
jtrans=Self-suggest |
desc=The user hypnotizes itself into copying any stat change made by the foe. |
gameimage=Psych up.PNG |
type=Normal |
damagecategory=Status |
basepp=10 |
maxpp=16 |
power=— |
accuracy=— |
gen=II |
bdesc=??? |
category=Smart |
appeal=2 |
jam=0 |
cdesc=Works well if it's the same type as before. |
appealsc=0 |
scdesc=Earn double the score in the next turn. |
pokefordex=psych+up |
tm2=yes |
tm#2=09 |
mte=yes |
tm4=yes |
tm#4=77 |
na=no |
touches=no |
protect=no |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=yes |
brightpowder=no |
kingsrock=no |
flag7=yes |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=self |
footnotes= }}
'''Psych Up''' (Japanese: '''じこあんじ''' ''Self-suggest'') is a non-damaging {{type2|Normal}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation II]].

==Effect==
Psych Up copies both the positive and negative changes to the target's stats and replicates them onto the user. The target's {{stat|Attack}}, {{stat|Defense}}, {{stat|Special Attack}}, {{stat|Special Defense}}, {{stat|Speed}}, {{stat|Accuracy}} and {{stat|Evasion}} are copied. Any changes made to the target's stats after Psych Up is used will not affect the user's stats.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation II]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|054|Psyduck|1|Water||31|}}
{{Moveentry|055|Golduck|1|Water||31|}}
{{Moveentry|096|Drowzee|1|Psychic||43|}}
{{Moveentry|097|Hypno|1|Psychic||55|}}
{{Moveentry|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||33|}}
{{Moveentry|196|Espeon|1|Psychic||42|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM09]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|054|Psyduck|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|055|Golduck|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|063|Abra|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|064|Kadabra|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|065|Alakazam|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|083|Farfetch'd|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|092|Gastly|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|093|Haunter|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|094|Gengar|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|096|Drowzee|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|097|Hypno|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|108|Lickitung|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|114|Tangela|1|Grass||}}
{{Moveentrytm|120|Staryu|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|121|Starmie|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|124|Jynx|2|Ice|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|137|Porygon|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|173|Cleffa|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|174|Igglybuff|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|175|Togepi|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|176|Togetic|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|177|Natu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|178|Xatu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock||}}
{{Moveentrytm|196|Espeon|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|197|Umbreon|1|Dark||}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost||}}
{{Moveentrytm|203|Girafarig|2|Normal|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|206|Dunsparce|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|215|Sneasel|2|Dark|Ice|}}
{{Moveentrytm|233|Porygon2|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|234|Stantler|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|238|Smoochum|2|Ice|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|241|Miltank|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|243|Raikou|1|Electric||}}
{{Moveentrytm|244|Entei|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentrytm|245|Suicune|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|249|Lugia|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|250|Ho-Oh|2|Fire|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|251|Celebi|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

===[[Generation III]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|054|Psyduck|1|Water||31|}}
{{Moveentry|055|Golduck|1|Water||31|}}
{{Moveentry|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic|47|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic|55|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|096|Drowzee|1|Psychic||43|||RSE}}
{{Moveentry|096|Drowzee|1|Psychic||37|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|097|Hypno|1|Psychic||55|||RSE}}
{{Moveentry|097|Hypno|1|Psychic||43|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||33|||RSE}}
{{Moveentry|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||77|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|196|Espeon|1|Psychic||42|}}
{{Moveentry|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic|47|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|307|Meditite|2|Fighting|Psychic|38|||RSE}}
{{Moveentry|307|Meditite|2|Fighting|Psychic|36|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|308|Medicham|2|Fighting|Psychic|40|||RSE}}
{{Moveentry|308|Medicham|2|Fighting|Psychic|36|||FRLG}}
{{Moveentry|325|Spoink|1|Psychic||19}}
{{Moveentry|326|Grumpig|1|Psychic||19}}
{{Moveentry|327|Spinda|1|Normal||38|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{Breedlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|052|Meowth|1|Normal||{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|{{p|Hoppip}}, {{p|Skiploom}}, {{p|Jumpluff}}||*}}
{{Moveentry|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic||{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|175|Togepi|1|Normal||{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||*}}
{{Moveentry|177|Natu|2|Psychic|Flying|{{p|Togetic}}||*}}
{{Moveentry|187|Hoppip|2|Grass|Flying|{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||*}}
{{Moveentry|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost||{{p|Castform}}||*}}
{{Moveentry|203|Girafarig|2|Normal|Psychic|{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|234|Stantler|1|Normal||{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|238|Smoochum|2|Ice|Psychic|{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|241|Miltank|1|Normal||{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|300|Skitty|1|Normal||{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|302|Sableye|2|Dark|Ghost|{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|303|Mawile|1|Steel||{{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Espeon}} {{p|Spoink}}, {{p|Grumpig}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Normal||{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||||*}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Fire||{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||Sun||*}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Water||{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||Rain||*}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Ice||{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||Hail||*}}
{{Learnlist/footer/breeding}}

====By [[move tutor]]====
=====In {{game|Emerald}}=====
{{Learnlist/TM|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|054|Psyduck|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|055|Golduck|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|056|Mankey|1|Fighting||}}
{{Moveentrytm|057|Primeape|1|Fighting||}}
{{Moveentrytm|063|Abra|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|064|Kadabra|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|065|Alakazam|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|083|Farfetch'd|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|092|Gastly|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|093|Haunter|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|094|Gengar|2|Ghost|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|096|Drowzee|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|097|Hypno|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|108|Lickitung|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|114|Tangela|1|Grass||}}
{{Moveentrytm|120|Staryu|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|121|Starmie|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|124|Jynx|2|Ice|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|137|Porygon|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|173|Cleffa|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|174|Igglybuff|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|175|Togepi|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|176|Togetic|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|177|Natu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|178|Xatu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock||}}
{{Moveentrytm|196|Espeon|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|197|Umbreon|1|Dark||}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost||}}
{{Moveentrytm|203|Girafarig|2|Normal|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|206|Dunsparce|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|215|Sneasel|2|Dark|Ice|}}
{{Moveentrytm|233|Porygon2|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|234|Stantler|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|238|Smoochum|2|Ice|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|241|Miltank|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|243|Raikou|1|Electric||}}
{{Moveentrytm|244|Entei|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentrytm|245|Suicune|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|249|Lugia|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|250|Ho-Oh|2|Fire|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|251|Celebi|2|Grass|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|261|Poochyena|1|Dark||}}
{{Moveentrytm|262|Mightyena|1|Dark||}}
{{Moveentrytm|274|Nuzleaf|2|Grass|Dark|}}
{{Moveentrytm|275|Shiftry|2|Grass|Dark|}}
{{Moveentrytm|280|Ralts|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|281|Kirlia|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|282|Gardevoir|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|283|Surskit|2|Bug|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|284|Masquerain|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|293|Whismur|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|294|Loudred|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|295|Exploud|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|300|Skitty|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|301|Delcatty|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|302|Sableye|2|Dark|Ghost|}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|1|Steel||}}
{{Moveentrytm|307|Meditite|2|Fighting|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|308|Medicham|2|Fighting|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|313|Volbeat|1|Bug||}}
{{Moveentrytm|314|Illumise|1|Bug||}}
{{Moveentrytm|315|Roselia|2|Grass|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|325|Spoink|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|326|Grumpig|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|327|Spinda|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|333|Swablu|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|334|Altaria|2|Dragon|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|337|Lunatone|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|345|Lileep|2|Rock|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|346|Cradily|2|Rock|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|350|Milotic|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|351|Castform|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|351|Castform|1|Fire|||Sun}}
{{Moveentrytm|351|Castform|1|Water|||Rain}}
{{Moveentrytm|351|Castform|1|Ice|||Hail}}
{{Moveentrytm|352|Kecleon|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|353|Shuppet|1|Ghost||}}
{{Moveentrytm|354|Banette|1|Ghost||}}
{{Moveentrytm|355|Duskull|1|Ghost||}}
{{Moveentrytm|356|Dusclops|1|Ghost||}}
{{Moveentrytm|358|Chimecho|1|Psychic||}}
{{Moveentrytm|359|Absol|1|Dark||}}
{{Moveentrytm|369|Relicanth|2|Water|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|370|Luvdisc|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|375|Metang|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|376|Metagross|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|377|Regirock|1|Rock||}}
{{Moveentrytm|378|Regice|1|Ice||}}
{{Moveentrytm|379|Registeel|1|Steel||}}
{{Moveentrytm|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|382|Kyogre|1|Water||}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground||}}
{{Moveentrytm|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|385|Jirachi|2|Steel|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|||Speed}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

===[[Generation IV]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Normal}}
{{Moveentry|054|Psyduck|1|Water||35|}}
{{Moveentry|055|Golduck|1|Water||37|}}
{{Moveentry|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic|57}}
{{Moveentry|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic|67}}
{{Moveentry|096|Drowzee|1|Psychic||29}}
{{Moveentry|097|Hypno|1|Psychic||33}}
{{Moveentry|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic||29}}
{{Moveentry|196|Espeon|1|Psychic||57|}}
{{Moveentry|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic|57}}
{{Moveentry|307|Meditite|2|Fighting|Psychic|36}}
{{Moveentry|308|Medicham|2|Fighting|Psychic|36}}
{{Moveentry|325|Spoink|1|Psychic||15}}
{{Moveentry|326|Grumpig|1|Psychic||15}}
{{Moveentry|327|Spinda|1|Normal||41|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM77]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal||}}
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====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
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{{Moveentry|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|{{p|Hoppip}}, {{p|Skiploom}}, {{p|Jumpluff}}||*}}
{{Moveentry|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic||{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Spinda}}}}
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{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Ice||{{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Mawile}}||Hail||*}}
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==Trivia==
* From its introduction in Generation II, this move was {{type2|Normal}}. Many people mistake it as a {{type2|Psychic}} move because its name sounds very similar to the word "psychic".
* No Generation IV Pokemon can learn this move by level up.

==In other languages==
* French: '''Boost'''
* Spanish: '''Más Psique'''
* Italian: '''Psicamisù'''
* German: '''Psycho-Plus'''
* Korean: '''자기암시''' ''Jagiamshi''

{{Generation II TMs}}
{{Generation IV TMs}}
{{Project MoveDex notice}}

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Talk:Audino (Pokémon)

2010-08-19T23:32:31Z

Mewtwo777: /* The moment we get official art */

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==Type==
I thought it was said somewhere that Tabunne was a Normal-type. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii says apparently, PokéBeach seems certain, blog says nothing is known about type. I guess it would be alright to put the type on, as it is still in the userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Image==
Which one is Tabunne? Could you put it in the caption of the picture? [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 18:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)Theviolinkid
:Tabunne is the right opponent. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Origin==
Tabunne might be based off a goat. I know goats aren't bipedal, but it looks like a baby goat to me. If you look closely you see what appear to horns near its ears and a bell hanging on its right ear. I'm '''not''' saying put "Tabunne appears to be based off a goat", I'm just bringing up a point here. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 03:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it's best to just wait till we can see a clearer image first

I can't see the goat resemblance [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== The moment we get official art ==

This is mainspaced. Try to find the official art. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

um....ok? isn't that how it usually works when we have all the info...is the art out or something? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

No, the art is not out. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Audino (Pokémon)

2010-08-19T23:31:57Z

Mewtwo777: /* The moment we get official art */

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==Type==
I thought it was said somewhere that Tabunne was a Normal-type. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii says apparently, PokéBeach seems certain, blog says nothing is known about type. I guess it would be alright to put the type on, as it is still in the userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Image==
Which one is Tabunne? Could you put it in the caption of the picture? [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 18:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)Theviolinkid
:Tabunne is the right opponent. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Origin==
Tabunne might be based off a goat. I know goats aren't bipedal, but it looks like a baby goat to me. If you look closely you see what appear to horns near its ears and a bell hanging on its right ear. I'm '''not''' saying put "Tabunne appears to be based off a goat", I'm just bringing up a point here. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 03:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it's best to just wait till we can see a clearer image first

I can't see the goat resemblance [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== The moment we get official art ==

This is mainspaced. Try to find the official art. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

um....ok? isn't that how it usually works when we have all the info...is the art out or something? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Generation V

2010-07-23T17:14:21Z

Mewtwo777:

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox]] to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version]] of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?([[User: Munchy Lax]] 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)
:Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
::Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC</s>
:::::Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]], it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Order==

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. [[User:Blaze of Shadow]] 23:30, 1 June 2010
:Please make more sense.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==July 2010 New Pokémon==
I just whipped a [[User:Quagbert/Chiraamii (Pokémon)|draft article for Chirāmī]] based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion {{tt|over here|Category talk:Generation V Pokémon}} and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Ugh... ==

"''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium ''miiight'', but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...
:However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/characters/characters02.html Prof Araragi and Chirami]. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

== Named after colors ==

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, they '''are''' colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon currently known ==

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. {{unsigned|InferSizMamoMagne}}
:There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Picture ==

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- [[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:The boxart is on the {{game|Black and White|s}} article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== advances in gameplay ==
i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do ''you'' need to add it?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'' as of now, while the correct would be ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'''s''''' --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Evos ==

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: [[File:GenVStarterEvos.png]]

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Mime (Pokémon)

2010-07-20T19:07:45Z

Mewtwo777:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Starmie | next=Scyther|type=psychic|| prevnum=121| nextnum=123}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Mr. Mime |
jname=バリヤード |
tmname=Barrierd |
art=FRLG |
pron=<sc>''mis''-ter mime</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=122 |
oldjdex=156 |
jdex=158 |
hdex=280 |
fbrow=092 |
sdex=095 |
abrow=165 |
typen=1 |
type1=Psychic |
type2= |
species=Barrier |
height-ftin=4'03" |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=120.1 |
weight-kg=54.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Soundproof |
ability2=Filter |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=25 |
evsd=2 |
expyield=136 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Pink |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=mr_mime |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Mr. Mime''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''バリヤード''' ''Barrierd'') is a {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Mime Jr.}} when [[level]]ed up while knowing {{m|Mimic}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Mr. Mime has a round, white body with a red spot in the middle. Its light-pink arms and legs are connected to its body by red spheres. Mr. Mime has white, five-fingered hands and black feet that curl upward at the end. Mr. Mime has a pink head with red cheeks and blue, frizzy hair.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Mr. Mime is able to bring invisible barriers that it mimes into existence. These barriers can repel harsh attacks.

===Behavior===
Mr. Mime are very prideful of their pantomime acts. Anyone that dares to interrupt a Mr. Mime while it is miming will get {{m|DoubleSlap|slapped}} silly.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Urban.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Urban Pokémon}}]]
Mr. Mime are usually very rare, however, they seem to congregate in suburban areas. They seem to be most common in [[Kanto]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
 

==In the anime==
[[Image:Mimey2.jpg|thumb|right|210px|[[Mimey|Mr. Mime]] in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Mimey]]====
Mr. Mime first appeared in ''[[EP064|It's Mr. Mime Time]]''. {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr|co.}} were looking for a Mr. Mime to replace another one that was supposed to perform in [[Stella]]'s circus. Ash originally dressed as one to encourage the old Mr. Mime, soon confusing [[Delia Ketchum|his mother]] when a wild Mr. Mime arrived at her house.

====Other====
In ''[[EP090|Stage Fight]]'', a Mr. Mime was part of a showboat stage show along with other Pokémon.

Mr. Mime also appears in ''[[AG141|Hail to the Chef]]'' under the ownership of {{ka|Rhonda}}, a girl who lives outside [[Saffron City]] who was competing with [[Rhoda|her sister]], who owned a {{p|Sneasel}}, for the ownership of her father's restaurant.

Another one appeared in ''[[DP140|Historical Mystery Tour!]]'' under the ownership of a [[Clown]].

Another one appeared in ''[[DP159|Short and To the Punch!]]'' under the ownership of [[Clayton]]. It battled {{Ash}}'s {{AP|Buizel}} twice, beating it the first time but losing the second due to Buizel's {{m|Ice Punch}}.

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP064|Mr. Mime|Ash's Pokédex|Mr. Mime, the Barrier Pokémon. {{m|Barrier|It uses pantomime to make actual walls appear}}. Because it is rarely discovered, information about this Pokémon is extremely limited.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:PS028.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sabrina]]'s Mr. Mime in ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'']]
Mr. Mime was first seen under the control of [[Sabrina]] in [[Pokémon Adventures]], generating a {{m|Light Screen}} to seal off the whole of [[Saffron City]].

The same Mr. Mime was seen again during the [[Gym Leader]] faceoff, using its miming powers to trap [[Bugsy]] and defeat his {{p|Heracross}}.

{{adv|Crystal}} now had a Mr. Mime nicknamed Mimee, revealed to have been caught during the {{chap|Emerald}}.
===Pokédex entries===
{{Mangadexheader}}
{{Mangadexbody|Pokémon Adventures|[[PS158]]|It can release mysterious waves from its finger and solidify the air, creating invisible walls.{{tt|*|Chuang Yi's translation}}}}
{{Mangadexfooter}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Mr. Mime (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
*[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]: Mr. Mime stars in its own minigame called "Barrier Ball." [[Poké Ball]]s appear on the field and by using Mr. Mime's Barrier, send the Poké Balls to the other player's fields.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=1
|redbluedex=If interrupted while it is miming, it will {{m|DoubleSlap|slap}} around the offender with its broad hands.
|yellowdex=Always practices its pantomime act. It makes enemies believe something exists that really doesn't.
|stadiumdex=It is an expert at miming and loves to perform. It is said to slap around anyone who disturbs it with its broad hands.
|golddex=A skilled mime from birth, it gains the ability to create invisible objects as it matures.
|silverdex=Its fingertips emit a peculiar force field that hardens air to create an actual {{m|Barrier|wall}}.
|crystaldex=It uses the mysterious power it has in its fingers to solidify air into an invisible wall.
|stadium2dex=A skilled mime from birth, it gains the ability to create invisible objects as it matures.
|rsdex=Mr. Mime is a master of pantomime. Its gestures and motions convince watchers that something unseeable actually exists. Once it is believed, it will exist as if it were a real thing.
|emeralddex=A Mr. Mime is a master of pantomime. It can convince others that something unseeable actually exists. Once believed, the imaginary object does become real.
|firereddex=It is adept at conning people. It is said to be able to create walls out of thin air by miming.
|leafgreendex=If interrupted while it is miming, it will suddenly DoubleSlap the offender with its broad hands.
|diamonddex=It is a pantomime expert that can create invisible but solid walls using miming gestures.
|pearldex=Emanations from its fingertips solidify the air into invisible walls that repel even harsh attacks.
|platinumdex=It shapes an invisible wall in midair by minutely vibrating its fingertips to stop molecules in the air.
|heartgolddex=A skilled mime from birth, it gains the ability to create invisible objects as it matures.
|soulsilverdex=Its fingertips emit a peculiar force field that hardens air to create an actual wall.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Psychic |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=One |
rbarea=[[Trade]] {{p|Abra}} on {{rt|2}} |
yrarity=One |
yarea=[[Trade]] {{p|Clefairy}} on {{rt|2}} |
gsrarity=Common |
gsarea={{rt|21}}, [[Celadon Game Corner]] |
crarity=Common |
carea={{rt|21}} |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Trade]] {{p|Abra}} on {{rt|2}} |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Citadark Isle]] |
xdshadow=yes |
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|218}} and {{rtn|222}} |
gen4ex=diamond |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea={{rt|218}} |
hgssrarity=Unlimited |
hgssarea={{rt|21}}, [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]], [[Celadon Game Corner]] |
palarea=Field |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=psychic
|channel=[[Springleaf Field|Bus Stop]]
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 7]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Buried Relic]] (50F-69F) [[Solar Cave]] (7F-12F)
|ranger=[[Dusk Factory]]
|md2=[[Mt. Travail]] (1F-19F) [[Lost Wilderness]] (B1-B17)
|ranger2=[[Oil Field Hideout]]
|scramble=[[Eternal Tower]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=Psychic
|rby1=Bitter Berry|rby1type=Berries (Generation II)|rby1rar=100|rby1image=no
|gsc1=MysteryBerry|gsc1type=Berries (Generation II)|gsc1rar=8|gsc1image=no
|dppt1=Leppa Berry|dppt1type=Berry|dppt1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 40 |
Attack= 45 |
Defense= 65 |
SpAtk= 100 |
SpDef= 120 |
Special=100 |
Speed= 90 |
type=Psychic }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 |
notes=yes|
gen1psychic=yes|
oldghost=0|
filter=maybe|
filternote={{typecolor|Bug}}-, {{typecolor|Ghost}}-, and {{typecolor2|Dark}} moves is 1½×|}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|psychic|psychic|4|1|Mr. Mime}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Power Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Guard Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Barrier|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25|Smart|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|4|Copycat|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|8|Meditate|Psychic|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|11|Encore|Normal|Status|—|100|5|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|15|DoubleSlap|Normal|Physical|15|85|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|18|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|22|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|22|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|25|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|29|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|32|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|36|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|39|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|43|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|46|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|50|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|psychic}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Psychic|Psychic|4|1|Mr. Mime}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM48]]|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM49]]|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM60]]|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|60|100|5|Beauty|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM66]]|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM67]]|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM85]]|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM92]]|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|psychic}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|psychic|psychic|4|1|Mr. Mime}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}}|Charm|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}} {{p|Sableye}} {{p|Volbeat}}|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Makuhita}}, {{p|Hariyama}} {{p|Sableye}}|Fake Out|Normal|Physical|40|100|10|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}} {{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}}|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|80|90|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}}|Healing Wish|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Spinda}}|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Monferno}}, {{p|Infernape}} {{p|Croagunk}}, {{p|Toxicroak}}|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0|||HGSS}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Spinda}}|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Spinda}}|Teeter Dance|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}} {{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}}|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Makuhita}}, {{p|Hariyama}}|Wake-Up Slap|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10|Smart|0}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|psychic}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|psychic|psychic|4|1|Mr. Mime}}
{{mtentry4|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|Tough|3|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|1|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|Beauty|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|1|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|Beauty|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|psychic}}

====Special moves====
{{Shadow moves|122|42|Shadow Storm|Shadow Shed|--|--|Follow Me|Normal|Psychic|Psychic|Encore|Normal|ThunderPunch|Electric|xd|psychic|psychic}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=psychic |
ndex=122 |
pinball=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.4 |
area=Decrepit Lab |
P1=Believe it or not, but I am an artist! |
P2=Now this is not good. My health is reduced by half. |
P3=This won't do. I'm out of power completely... |
PL=There goes my level! I'm so happy! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Psychic |
assist=Psychic |
fieldpower=0 |
field=None |
loop=8 |
MinEXP=68 |
MaxEXP=81 |
browser=Mr. Mime puts up invisible {{m|barrier}}s while performing its pantomime motions. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-4.5 |
iq=F |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Psychic |
assist2=Psychic |
field2=Teleport |
field2power=- |
browser2=It uses a psychically made barrier to shield itself. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Incense
|sprite1=439
|name1=Mime Jr.
|type1-1=Psychic
|evotype1=Move
|move1=Mimic
|incense=Odd Incense
|sprite2=122
|name2=Mr. Mime
|type1-2=Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=122|
name=Mr. Mime|
}}

==Trivia==
* Although its English and [[List of French Pokémon names##102 - #151 Exeggcute - Mew|French]] names suggest that it is exclusively male, female Mr. Mime are just as common as males, and in {{5v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, [[Sabrina]] herself has a female Mr. Mime as one of her Pokémon. In fact, it is her only female Pokémon until HeartGold and SoulSilver's rematch.
**This is due to the lack of [[gender]]s in the [[Generation I]] games when it was introduced. However, the "Mr." part of its name appears to be just part of its name, rather than a title - (probably due to this not being a part of its Japanese name).
* The Mr. Mime obtained through an in-game trade in {{game|Red and Blue|s}} was nicknamed Marcel. This is possibly an homage to the late {{wp|Marcel Marceau}}. However, this was not kept in {{game|Yellow}} or {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}; the same Mr. Mime is nicknamed Miles and Mimien, in those games, respectively.
* There was a guest villain in an episode of {{wp|The Powerpuff Girls}} named "Mr. Mime".
* Mr. Mime originally had four fingers on its hands, but in [[Generation III]] it was given an extra finger. However, in Ruby and Sapphire, it still has only four fingers on one hand. It should be noted that the anime version of Mr. Mime always had five fingers.
*In the Hebrew dub of the anime, Mr. Mime was often confused for a {{type2|Water}} Pokémon in {{pmin|Israel}}, as "Mayim" (water) is pronounced very similar to "Mime".
*Mr. Mime was the first species with a space in its name, as well as the first one with a period and the first one whose name was more than one word; the space in its name was only reflected in the handheld games starting with [[Generation III]], however. Only in [[Generation IV]] was the second such species introduced: its baby form, {{p|Mime Jr.}}
** Mr. Mime is also one of eight Pokémon whose name has a non-alphabetic character in it, the others being {{p|Nidoran♀}}, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Farfetch'd}}, {{p|Porygon2}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, {{p|Mime Jr.}} and {{p|Porygon-Z}}.
===Origin===
It appears that it is based on a combination between a {{wp|clown}} and a mime - together with a popular pantomime, pretending to be trapped in {{wp|invisible box}}es.

====Name origin====
Mr. Mime's name simply refers to {{wp|mime}}s. Its Japanese name may be a combination of ''barrier'' and ''weird'' - indicating its ability to erect invisible walls - or ''barrier'' and ''barricade''.

==In other languages==
* [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Pantimos - From ''{{wp|pantomime}}''.
* [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: M. Mime - Pronounced ''Monsieur Mime''. M. is the official abbreviation of ''Monsieur'' (Mister).
* [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 마임맨 ''Maimmaen''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 吸盤魔偶 ''Xī Pán Mó Ǒu'' - "Suction magic figure". 吸盤 (Sucking disc) refers to the ones found in its fingers.

==Related articles==
* [[Mimey]]
* [[Delia Ketchum]]

==External links==
* [[wp:Mr. Mime|Article on Wikipedia]]

==Notes==
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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Starmie | next=Scyther|type=psychic|| prevnum=121| nextnum=123}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

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Talk:Villa furniture

2010-07-17T18:10:58Z

Mewtwo777:

==[[Pokémon Bust]]==
According to a guide, it says to get Bust #2 is to all 10 prints. This is false because I have gotten all 10 prints and yet I have Pokémon Bust #2. So the guide made a mistake with that and chance the criteria to getting Bust #2.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 05:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe you should get one first. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 05:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::Get what first?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 05:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Bust #1. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 06:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I already bought them all.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::...I have Bust#2 on my catalog and I only have 2 prints. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| |3urn ]][[Special:contributions/PH1RESTRIKE|•]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE|57R1K3]] 21:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Perhaps you don't have to defeat the brains, but only meet them. I didn't had the bust #1 in my catalog until I beat argenta for the first time, so it has to do at least something with the battle frontier.[[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 14:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::According to the official strategy guide, Bust 1 is unlocked when you battle each of the Battle Frontier facilities more than once and Bust 2 is unlocked when you get any one type of Silver Print. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 03:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::: that's weird because I only beat the battle factory once (and won), and then I did the battle hall untill I got to Argenta and then I beat here. Then I could buy the pokemon bust. The mystery continues.... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 16:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::: I got both busts using the methods I mentioned. You appear to have only unlocked Bust 2 --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Yup, I now have both the busts using the methods winning 1 silver and entering all facilities.[[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Visiting ==
I believe that the people visiting is compltely random; I had Prof. Rowan visit me, but I only have the Table, while the article states that the Bookshelf is needed in order for him to appear. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:I think they just show up on the initial purchase, and after that, it's random.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::I had cynthia visit beforeI had the piano. Glitch? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Cat2killer}} ([[User talk:Cat2killer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cat2killer|contribs]]) ''
:::No, it just means our information is wrong. Do any other sites or paper game guides have this information? There is a lot of confusion here. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I already said something about that [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Villa here]. And how long do they normally stay? I've had Maylene in my house for at least 3 or 4 days now... and then I'll have lapses where nobody visits for a week. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I have had the following visitors (at least that I can remember):

Pearl comes in for telling you he is telling the others.

Dawn came, telling me she's jealous that I have my own house because she shares a room with her sister. (Does Lucas say the same thing?)

Pearl came and said that he was... I forgot what he said. At least, I've forgotten too much to reword it. I believe it was something like he envied me for having a Villa.

Wake came yesterday just as I walked in and commented on similarities between Pearl and Palmer.
[[User:Nintendofan146B|Nintendofan146B]] 00:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Visitors are normally random but they change to the person listed when you buy the relevent items. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Chandelier ==

It's not 300,000. It's 99,999. I am changing it.--'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 17:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It is 300,000, cos ive walked over 99,999. I watched the step counter go to 99,999 and over and there aint no chandelier available to order. The guide says its 300,000 and so does serebii, so i changed it back.--'''[[User:Dragonboy]]''' 18:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Wall Clock ==

Will the clock become available if you just plant 50 berries in soil and then just leave them, or do you have to actually go through the whole berry-growing process and harvest berries on 50 trees?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 22:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:...That's a good question, really. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing you actually have to grow and pick them. I don't think there are even enough "fertile soil" patches to accommodate 50 berries at once, so you'd be forced to harvest anyway. @w@ --[[User:ChaudCo|'''Chaud''']][[User talk:ChaudCo|'''Co''']][[a:User:ChaudCo|'''~''']] 01:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== Price ==

"...and are the most expensive decorations one can purchase with Pokémon Dollars."
But, at the Ribbon Syndicate, you can buy a Gorgeous Royal Ribbon for 999,999.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:10, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

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Please don't remove talk page comments either, as you did with mine. If you are not familiar with the rules there is a [[Bulbapedia:Talk page|Talk page policy]], please read it over. Thanks. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:Oops, I didn't even see yours. Sorry!!! *sweatdrops*
BTW, How do you put an image in your signature??? {{unsigned|Mewtwo777}}

:As per the [[Bulbapedia:Signature policy|Signature policy]], images are not allowed in signatures. So you're going to have to edit your signature to reflect that. Don't forget to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (even on your own talk page!). —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:Then why do I see images in signatures like on Linoone's talk page?
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== Talk pages ==

As I mentioned in the article, talk pages are only for the discussion of the article itself. If there's nothing to add or fix in the article, then please don't add anything, that's what the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 forums] are for.
Please don't remove talk page comments either, as you did with mine. If you are not familiar with the rules there is a [[Bulbapedia:Talk page|Talk page policy]], please read it over. Thanks. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't even see yours. Sorry!!! *sweatdrops*

BTW, How do you put an image in your signature???

Talk:Rock Smash (move)

2010-07-09T16:46:00Z

Mewtwo777: /* Encounter */

== Can someone ==

Add this picture to the anime table: [[File:Toxicroak rock smash.png]]

Again, I can't figure out how the stupid thing works... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done and Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Encounter ==
I think we need a table of pokemon locations for pokemon found through rocksmash, similar to the headbutt page, seeing as there is some general confusion caused over pokemon like Dunspace and Shuckle being found simply through "Rock Smash", when they are only found in specific locations.
Anyone else think this would be a handy reference? {{unsigned|Parallel}}

I do.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 16:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:HM slave

2010-07-09T16:09:59Z

Mewtwo777: /* Page name */

== Best mules? ==
I didn't know if this was worth mentioning or not (sorry if it isn't) but after a little research I've always used Golduck and Tropius. Between the two of them they can learn all 8 HMs, which only takes up two slots with no switching. {{unsigned|Ndoki}}

== Topic ==
can anyone give me a list of HM mules? {{unsigned|Link-BOX}}
:Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Bibarel}} can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. {{p|Mew}}, of course, can. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Page name ==

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the page should be called HM Slaves/Mules, or something???

Although, I personally use HM Monkeys.
Not my decision, though. It's fine if you don't use my suggestion, I don't expect you to.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 16:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Defog? ==

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. [[User:Sylari|Sylari]] 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question. ==

Is there ''anything'' besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there's {{p|Smeargle}}... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until [[Generation II]].. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There's also {{p|Arceus}} in [[Generation IV]]...[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dragonite ==
Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tropius and Bibarel can also learn them all. Of course, Tropius is tough to find unless you have Platinum or access to Pal Park. {{unsigned|Osiris32}}

== So ==

Opinions on my listing revamp? Should I kill the on-field moves and leave it as HM-only? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Disagreement ==

As MAGNEDETH argues in the edit made on December 4 of 2009 about the tables made by me and edited later by TTEchidna (sorry for the awful mess XD TTEchidna's version rules):

"Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first routes of a given game." - these examples are ANYTHING but...

I agree with him in some points, first of all... "Any common pokémon capable of learning HMs can become an HM Slave" yes,
second... "typically those pokémon are captured at the beginning of the game because you need to use this abilities" yes, this is also true, BUT... the purpose of the table mentioned before was to solve the question that almost every pokémon gamer has asked himself at some point of the games, "Wich are the best pokémons in each generation to carry my HMs and Field moves?", the best and logical answer is "the pokémon who can learn the most quantity of HMs per game", obviously you can't left this task to a single pokémon since they can only learn four moves, so the idea is to distribute the HMs and Field Moves of a certain generation onto the minimum amount of HM slaves possible, maybe you'll need several HM slaves at the beginning but at some point of the game you can say "Why not concentrate all those abilities onto the minimum pokémon combination possible? this way I can throw away all those several incredibly common HM slaves that I have".

So, my point is... the tables mentioned before wasn't random examples of what an HM slave can be, or examples of common pokémons (in the meaning of not rare) that can be HM slaves, they are, according to most people, the best pokémons of each generation for being HM Slave (If you don't believe me read other forums); and this tables follows the following rules:

* The tables shows only pokémons capable of perform HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows the pokémons most compatible with HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows only pokémons capable of fill their four moves with HMs and/or field moves.
* This pokémons are combinable in the way that every HM or field move is covered between a minimum combination of pokémons.
* The tables covers and allows to view wich are all the HMs and field moves for every generation.

Obviously there's not exist one unique combination for this, but, for example, if you want to have all the eight field moves of Generation I in the best pokémon combination possible, you know that you need at least 2 HM slaves wich is the minimum of pokémons necesary to cover all the eight field moves (HMs & TMs wich do so), so, instead of investigate wich pokémon can learn wich move and so on, you can check the table, pick two pokémons, compare their possible moves and decide what is the best for you; for that reason I've decided to restore the tables until someone else suggests something better. I'll try to improve the meaning of the tables changing the title "common HM slaves" to something else to not confuse people between "most commonly used pokémons for HM Slaves because of their compability with HMs" than "Examples of Common Pókemons able to be HM Slaves".

Ok, sorry for this huge explanation and sorry for my poor grammar in english (it's not my native language but I'm practicing), I'm just trying to be part and contribute (even a little) with this wonderful community, greetings. -[[User:Daipop|Daipop]] 20:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that this is a page worth expanding upon. Maybe we limit what we add by having a minimum limit to how many HM or Field moves that Pokemon can have and be included? 6 or more sounds good to me. Any suggestions? --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 17:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
::I'm removing Milk Drink and Softboiled since they are specific to very few (1 or 2) Pokemon as soon as Gen 1+2 templates are unlocked. It's pointless to have them on the charts as I see it. --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 05:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Update for HGSS? ==
Having looked at the list purely out of interest, i thought it was very DPP centric, *most* of the pokemon are quite difficult to obtain in HGSS.
One suggestion i have that is significantly easier to obtain in HGSS than other games is kangaskhan, available from the first course on the pokewalker, and in this game learns 6/8 HMs and can learn dig as a bonus. Is it worth adding this to the list? Along with others that are possible better fits to HGSS? {{unsigned|Dudemango}}
:The article is known to be incomplete. If you can help expand it, that would be great. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Farfetch'd?! ==

How's Farfetch'd on the list? It only knows two HMs/field moves, Cut and Fly. So... Should we take it out?--[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 05:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Tentacool ==

Tentacool/cruel can learn Cut plus various Water-type HMs depending on the generation. [[User:Kylegetsspam|Kylegetsspam]] 02:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ledian (Pokémon)

2010-07-09T09:53:21Z

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Heeey I thought I was gonna do ledian =P[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 14:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

you can always make it like, worth reading. =p
[[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 16:09, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey, would it be okay if I summarize what most people use Ledian for and stuff? Or put standard movesets or something? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 17:58, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, those are gonna be for something else on BMG. We want encyclopedia entries here. Not opinions for entries. Movesets go along with the deal that no opinions should be in an entry. [[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 18:04, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. So how do you get these Pokemon entries to not really be stubs?

Just get rid of the ( stub ) part in some of the pages. Working on doing the previous/next thing for the pokedex entries so I'll get it covered.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 18:12, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me or does this Pokémon look like an alien? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:It also looks kinda like he's wearing a helmet. - Buddy
::I can see both of those things, though it isn't enough to be worth adding to the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

There appears to be an error in Ledian's non-shiny sprite in Crystal.

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 09:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Linoone (Pokémon)

2010-07-01T16:37:57Z

Mewtwo777: /* Linoone's Sprites */

==Appa?==
Whats he doing in this page? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 18:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Linoone and Appa look kinda similar. Read the text. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 18:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:It's just too bad that Linoone can't learn any Flying-type moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::Well, that wouldn't make much sense, now would it? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It's... a very loose similarity. I don't automatically think of the the other while looking at one of them. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Well I added the pic there, and I think they look totally alike. Right when I saw linoone, I was like "That's Appa!" --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 18:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's a ferret and a six-legged Bison. They're white with brown markings but that's as far as it goes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

::::: Linoone isn't based upon Appa. Suggesting the pokemon Linoone concept ( from Japanese creators ) is based upon an obscure American cartoon trying to look Japanese is hilarious, especially when a lot of the pokemon concepts pre-date the show. I'd like to see citation. Linoone's name has the word "Line" in it. Arrow, line, you get the point, right? Appa is some goat thing. I don't see how a Line-Raccoon that's brown and white is a Bison-Goat-Thing. This isn't a fan fiction. [[User:Ph00kedup|Ph00kedup]] 14:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::The trivia doesn't say Linoone is based on Appa, it says the other way around. I find that information useful, but it's true that it can be only a coincidence. I haven't even seen the animation avatar, because I'm not really a television fan. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 14:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Neither was directly based on the other. Linoone came first and Appa's character design was certainly created seperately. (Take a white bison, give it extra legs and the ability to fly, then add the airbender symbol). The question is whether they resemble each other enough for it to be worth mentioning. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::If we keep this, I think it should be mentioned that it's a coincidence somehow. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 17:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::We shouldn't keep this, period. Opinion doesn't belong on any wiki, not even this one. [[User:LostDrewid|LostDrewid]] 00:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::You are right about that, mostly. There are many criticism sections on Wikipedia, if criticism isn't personal opinions, then tell me what that is. But I agree, it should be proven it's more than a coincidence if it should be here. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

==Racoone?==
Hasn't Linoone got more in common with Meerkats? In the 3D games he is even seen standing on his hind legs as as Meerkat would and then dashing at the opponent. Also Linoone is supposed be very quick and Racoons aren't meant to be very fast. {{u|Watchcrow}} 22:23 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
Many others have similar sprites as well. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 04:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Linoone's Sprites ==

If you look at the very tip of Linoone's Gen. 3 sprite, there is a small black ring on it. This is not present in Gen 4. [[User:Billy|Billy]] 03:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The page says that "Linoone's sprites do not change at all between the Generation III games and the Generation IV games (not including the animation)", but if you look at the back foot, it has been moved/rotated between the Generations. [[User:Mewtwo777|Mewtwo777]] 16:36, 1 July, 2010

M12

2009-11-24T21:48:49Z

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'''Arceus and the Jewel of Life''' (Japanese: '''アルセウス {{tt|超克|ちょうこく}}の{{tt|時空|じくう}}へ''' ''Arceus: To a Conquering {{wp|Spacetime}}'') is the third {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie and the twelfth [[Pokémon movie]] overall. It is the last movie in the trilogy that started with ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'' and continued with ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. It premiered in Japan on July 18, 2009, coincidentally the 11th anniversary of the premiere of the [[Mewtwo Strikes Back|first movie]]. The movie's first international screening was on Cartoon Network Australia on November 6, and in the United States on Cartoon Network on November 20, 2009.

The movie was confirmed in Japanese cinemas in July 2008 at the end of the credits of its predecessor, ''Giratina and the Sky Warrior'', with a teaser that showed {{an|Giratina}}, {{an|Dialga}} and {{an|Palkia}} ready to {{pkmn|battle}} over ruins that resembles the [[Spear Pillar]].

==Other posters and DVD covers==
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Image:Movie12poster2.png|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
Image:Movie12poster1.png|''To a Conquering Spacetime'' movie poster
Image:Movie 12 Arceus Choukoku Jikuu e Oha Suta poster.jpg|''Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime'' poster 
File:Movie 12 DVD cover J.jpg|Japanese ''Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime'' DVD cover
File:Movie 12 Korean poster.jpg|Korean poster
</gallery>

==Plot==
{{spoiler}}
Thousands of years in the past, the legendary Alpha Pokémon {{an|Arceus}} came to Earth to retrieve the "[[Jewel of Life]]" that it had loaned to a man named [[Damos]]. Damos however betrayed Arceus and attacked it with a large army of Pokémon. After presumably killing Damos in its counterattack, Arceus went to sleep, vowing to judge all humans when it next returns based on Damos's actions.

After walking through a patch of long grass {{Ash}} and [[Ash's friends|his friends]] reach a beautiful area called [[Michina Town]]. Deciding to take the chance to relax, everyone sends out their Pokémon and make the most of the idyllic surroundings. As they are playing in the river, three watermelons float towards them. The gang looks forward to eating them them when a boy named [[Kanta]] and a girl named [[Kako]] come to claim the watermelons, as they belong to them but were washed away when they were left in the river to cool. Everyone is disappointed, so Kanta and Kako make them a deal... Ash and his friends can have them if they can beat them in a [[tag battle]]. Taking on Kanta and Kako's {{p|Heracross}} and {{p|Beautifly}}, Ash and {{an|Dawn}} use {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}. Although the battle is hard fought, the teamwork between trainers and Pokémon shines through and Ash and Dawn win, but decide to share the watermelons with Kanta, Kako and all the Pokémon. Later, Kanta and Kako recommend that they go Michina's famous ruins.

Ripples start to emerge from another part of time and space, which causes a spatial distortion to open near the gang. Although [[Brock]] is able to hold on to Ash and Dawn, Pikachu and Piplup are swept away and although Piplup is able to stop the two being immediately sucked in by using {{m|BubbleBeam}} to stop the momentum, it appears all is lost for the two. Suddenly a girl named [[Sheena]] arrives and calls {{an|Dialga}}, the Pokémon that rules over time, to come and help. Dialga saves Pikachu and Piplup from being sucked into the distortion, and after returning the Pokémon to their trainers then uses {{m|Roar of Time}} to close it up. Everyone is amazed to see the legendary Dialga hovering above them, and even more so that Sheena was able to summon and communicate with it.

Suddenly, another ripple starts to emerge from the river but it isn't another distortion... it's {{an|Giratina}}! The Renegade Pokémon immediately attacks Dialga, still enraged over the damage done to its world. Everyone can't believe that Giratina is still after Dialga and plead with it to stop. Sheena attempts to use her special ability to touch a Pokémon's heart to reach and calm Giratina, however Giratina is so full of rage that her attempts fail and she is caught by her partner {{an|Kevin}}. Ash runs towards where Giratina is battling Dialga in the river and pleads with it to stop. Giratina stares at Ash for a few seconds, and remembers that Ash was the person that [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|saved its life]] before. Giratina's anger dissipates, and Sheena takes the chance to reach Giratina using her powers and convinces it that Dialga has been misunderstood and shouldn't be battled. Giratina understands and immediately returns to its own dimension.

Sheena and Kevin introduce themselves to everyone, and Sheena explains that she has the ability to connect with a Pokémon's heart and communicate with them. Sheena is especially curious about Ash and Pikachu, as she recalls a legend that a Thunder Creature and its master once changed the course of Michina's history and asks the gang to accompany her. Naturally Brock moves in with yet another misguided romantic attempt claiming that Sheena helped to remove the pain that was caused by a scraped elbow... unfortunately for Brock, the pain is delivered right back courtesy of {{TP|Brock|Croagunk}}'s {{m|Poison Jab}}. As Croagunk drags the truly hopeless romantic away, suddenly another distortion appears and Dialga is caught in the resulting water spout traps Dialga and the distortion starts to drag it away. Suddenly another portal appears and from it emerges {{an|Palkia}}, the Pokémon that rules over space. Palkia uses {{m|Spacial Rend}} to free Dialga and close the distortion, and Sheena communicates with them both and uses her amazing powers to end the conflict between them for good. Both Pokémon, having settled their differences, return to their own dimensions.

Nearby, everyone is being watched by none other than [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} of [[Team Rocket]]. Jessie is very excited to have not only seen the rulers of space and time but also a woman who can control them. Jessie attempts to use her charm to touch Meowth's heart, but it's Meowth's Charm that ends up doing the hypnotizing, as Jessie falls in love with her own reflection which is shown on the shiny surface. James and Meowth can only sigh for their one-track minded teammate.

Inside the ruins, Sheena and Kevin show everyone the Time-Space Axis, which they use to monitor disruptions in the space-time continuum. With the help of the Axis, Sheena and Kevin were present when Palkia returned [[Alamos Town]] to its correct location, and also were able to investigate the glacier that was damaged during the conflict with [[Zero]]. Sheena and Kevin explain the various worlds that exist...first there's the human world, which is supported by Giratina's [[Reverse World]], then there are the Temporal and Spatial Worlds inhabited by Dialga and Palkia... and these were all created by the legendary Pokémon... Arceus. Recently, Arceus has begun to awaken which has caused ripples in the space-time continuum. As a result, the Temporal and Spatial Worlds intersected with each other. Both Dialga and Palkia believed that the other had attempted to invade their territory which caused [[The Rise of Darkrai|the battle that almost destroyed Alamos Town]]. As a result of the battle, the Reverse World was damaged causing Giratina to be drawn into the conflict. Sheena explains that she was unable to reach Giratina's heart due to it being filled with anger.

Meanwhile, at the center of space-time, Arceus awakens and begins its journey to the human world...

Although the conflict between Dialga and Palkia has been resolved, according to the Axis it is nearly time to Arceus to emerge... and deliver its {{m|Judgement}} upon the world. Sheena tells the legend that once the planet was in serious danger from being destroyed by meteorites. However Arceus helped to destroy the meteorites, but in the process lost the sixteen Life Plates that normally helped it defend against any possible attack. Arceus's death appeared to inevitable when a man named [[Damos]] helped Arceus retrieve the plates and ensured it's survival. At the time Michina was a desolate wasteland but Arceus, in gratitude at being saved, used five of its plates to create the [[Jewel of Life]] which helped transform the wasteland into a paradise. Arceus put its own life at risk to create the Jewel of Life, however when the day came that Damos was supposed to return it he instead betrayed Arceus and attacked it. He believed that returning the Jewel of Life would doom Michina and cause it to return to its previous state. Arceus, filled with unspeakable fury at being betrayed by Damos after risking its life to help him, destroyed the shrine but was injured so was forced to sleep and recover but it was known that eventually Arceus would return and unleash its wrath upon the planet. Sheena then tells everyone an astonishing fact; Damos is her ancestor. However her plan is to try and calm Arceus by returning the Jewel of Life which is in her possession. Suddenly the Time-Space Axis begins to chime and shake violently, which means only one thing... it is time for Arceus to emerge.

Arceus arrives in the human and, still filled with fury over its previous betrayal, begins to pass down its Judgment. It sends a sphere into the air, from which several energy beams emerge and begin to destroy Michina and the ruins. Suddenly, Arceus sees Sheena and she apologizes for Damos's despicable actions in the past and humbly returns the Jewel of Life. Arceus calms briefly before suddenly becoming even more enraged than before as it steps on the Jewel of Life shattering it into pieces. Arceus furiously tells Sheena that the Jewel of Life was made up of itself and cannot be broken... the one Sheena had possession of was a fake. Taking this as a sign that humanity cannot possibly be trusted, Arceus completely destroys the ruins, sending Team Rocket (who has rather grand plans of stealing the Jewel of Life and capturing Arceus) falling into the river below. Michina continues to crumble beneath Arceus's might until Dialga, Palkia and Giratina return to stop it. Palkia is able to subdue Arceus long enough to allow Dialga to send everyone but Kevin back in time to alter the past.

When the group arrives, they see Damos enter the temple with the Jewel of Life on a staff. Following him, they all witness as he betrays Arceus as already known, however, it becomes apparent that another man who is dressed in a red toga and controls a {{p|Heatran}} and {{p|Bronzong}} wearing strange armor is also involved. Furthermore, Damos appears to be under hypnosis of some sort. When Arceus violently counterattacks, Ash and his friends nearly fall to their deaths along with Damos and the other man, but Sheena quickly prays to Dialga again and manages to get it to send them back a bit further in time.

Meanwhile, in the present day, Arceus is gaining the upper hand in its battle against the [[dragon trio]] and the strain of sending the group back in time causes Dialga to faint.

Ash, [[Brock]], {{an|Dawn}} and Sheena arrive in the afternoon several hours prior to Damos's betrayal. Sheena becomes alarmed when she realizes that Dialga can no longer send them through time, and things get worse when a group of armed soldiers surround them. The man in the toga appears with his Bronzong and has it use {{m|Hypnosis}} on everyone but Sheena. The girl attempts to warn him of what is going to happen, garnering the man's interest, so he orders his guards to take the others away while he interrogates Sheena.

Ash, Brock and Dawn are thrown in a jail cell guarded by [[Tapp|an old man]] and soon realize they are sharing the space with Damos, who appears jovial and in control of himself, unlike what had previously been seen. The group's initial reaction to him is overwhelmingly negative, to which he takes offense. The gang explain that they're from the future, which Ash demonstrates by briefly sending out {{AP|Monferno}}. Damos is amazed by the [[Poké Ball]], technology that doesn't exist in this time, and believes their story and starts to tell them his. Damos explains that in the past, he was traveling through the wasteland that was Michina when he witnessed the destruction of the meteor by Arceus, and found it when it was nearly killed by losing the Life Plates. After searching the area, he found one of the Life Plates and returned it to the Alpha Pokémon. As a result, Arceus began to heal and all the other Life Plates were able to return to their owner, completely restoring Arceus's strength. Although Arceus was healthy, the same couldn't be said for Michina. The land was barren and lifeless and it appeared that Damos and the other inhabitants wouldn't survive the coming winter. Arceus, wishing to help the person that had helped it when it was near death, decided to grant Damos the use of its plates. First it handed over the Plates that harnessed the power of [[Earth Plate|Ground]], [[Meadow Plate|Grass]] and [[Splash Plate|Water]] then bound them together with the power of [[Zap Plate|electricity]] and then increased their powers with the force of the [[Draco Plate|Dragon]] and formed the Jewel of Life. With the Jewel of Life, Michina was soon flourishing with life. Crops were plentiful and the entire area was a beautiful sight. Arceus returned to visit and was happy to see Damos doing so much good, but explained that the Jewel of Life must be returned at the date of the next solar eclipse as its life was in danger while it was parted from any of its Life Plates. Damos then built a shrine to Michina's savior, and ends the story insisting that he has no intention of ''not'' returning the Jewel.

After hearing that they were imprisoned by a man with a Bronzong, Damos identifies him as [[Marcus]]. Thinking back, Brock realizes that Marcus and Bronzong were present at the scene of Damos's betrayal and theorizes that Marcus was the real mastermind and that he was controlling Damos through Bronzong's Hypnosis.

Marcus, meanwhile, is hosting Sheena at a dinner. She explains everything to him, that Damos is going to betray Arceus and cause the world to be placed in danger, so Marcus agrees to assist her in stopping him. He then walks over to an area obscured by his Heatran and secretly removes the Jewel of Life from its staff before presenting Sheena with the empty staff. Sheena, unknowing of Marcus's true nature, goes off willingly with him to the temple.

Just in the nick of time, a [[Spiky-eared Pichu]] that Damos had previously befriended, through use of the same ability Sheena possesses, appears and gives him the jail cell's keys so they can escape.

At the temple, the eclipse begins and Arceus enters wondering why Damos isn't the one returning the Jewel of Life. Sheena tells Arceus that Damos is not coming as he planned to betray it. Arceus is shocked that his friend would ever turn against him, and Sheena attempts to give the Jewel to it, only for Marcus to initiate the attack however this time the attack proceeds differently, as Marcus has altered the attack plan based on Sheena's information. This time, as well as attacking Arceus with the other controlled Pokémon, he begins to pour silver water onto Arceus which instantly hardens around it. Ash's group arrives and Sheena meets Damos for the first time, while Ash confronts the true villain. He and Dawn attempt to battle Heatran and Bronzong, but both are far too powerful. Instead, he attempts to defeat Marcus with hand-to-hand combat. This also fails, but Marcus drops the Jewel. It is nearly destroyed but Ash manages to recover it. Meanwhile, Damos and Sheena attempt to get to Arceus, however the two are almost killed by the silver water, but luckily Brock arrives and has {{TP|Brock|Sudowoodo}} use {{m|Hammer Arm}} on the ground, creating a chasm for the water to fall into.

Arceus, meanwhile, is losing strength under the force of Marcus's attack, and without some of its Life Plates begins to die from the constant bombardment. Damos and Sheena combine their power and manage to touch the hearts of Damos' Pokémon, which are being controlled by the armor they wear. Ash and Dawn have Pikachu and Piplup destroy the armor on Heatran and Bronzong with {{m|Iron Tail}} and {{m|Peck}}. The assault frees them, and they turn on Marcus while the other Pokémon stop their attack. Marcus smugly declares that even if he fails, Arceus will still die, and the future that Ash and his friends came from will cease to exist, meaning they will no longer exist as well. True to his word, Pikachu soon vanishes, and Ash begins to vanish as well as he attempts to give the Jewel of Life to the nearly-dead Arceus. Damos manages to reach the last spark of life in Arceus' heart, giving it enough strength to reabsorb the Jewel and completely recover. With Marcus's plan thwarted, Pikachu is restored to life. As the area collapses, Arceus saves the group, as well as Marcus's Pokémon slaves, freeing the Pokémon in the process, then returns Ash's group to their proper time.

Arriving back in the present day, it appears that things have become peaceful due to the changes in the past. However, this is not the case - Arceus has completely defeated Dialga, Palkia and Giratina, and is preparing its final Judgment attack to destroy all of Michina. Ash cries out to it, begging it to remember that everything was fixed in the past, and just before the attack's destruction begins, Arceus remembers that this is true and halts its rampage. The changes to the past finally catch up to the present, restoring Michina to normal and healing the Dragon Trio who bid a final farewell to Ash and his friends and depart for their respective worlds. Brock in confused as Michina is still flourishing despite the Jewel of Life being returned, but Arceus explains that Damos and the others devoted their entire lives to making sure Michina remained beautiful. Also, Sheena finds a new monument which gives thanks to her and the others from Damos himself. Sheena begins to cry, now finally knowing the full truth about the ancestor she was ashamed of. Arceus says his goodbyes to everyone, but not before noting that for the first time it truly feels it belongs to the world they inhabit.

In the credits, it is revealed that Marcus went on to become an employee of Damos as a steward of the temple. In [[Alamos Town]], [[Tonio]] and [[Alice]] fly in a hot air balloon while [[Baron Alberto]] attempts to follow them. [[Darkrai (movie 10)|Darkrai]] is then seen looking over the town. In a later scene, an imprisoned [[Zero]] is seen being visited by [[Newton Graceland]] and receiving a copy of [[Infi]] that survived the [[Megarig]]'s wreck, much to his delight. [[Shaymin (movie 11)|Shaymin]] is also seen, looking out to a sunrise with a smile. Dialga, Palkia and Giratina are shown in their respective worlds, finally being able to live in peace once again. Meanwhile Team Rocket decide to steal some watermelons, only to come across a disguised {{p|Voltorb}} which sends them blasting off. Ash, Dawn and Brock continue their journey through [[Sinnoh]], moving ever closed to their goals and with many more adventures still to come...

==Featured Pokémon==
[[Image:Movie12logo.png|thumb|right|The Japanese logo, containing Arceus's name.]]
* {{an|Dialga}}
* {{an|Palkia}}
* {{an|Giratina}}
* {{p|Heatran}}
* {{an|Arceus}}
* [[Spiky-eared Pichu|Spiky-eared Pichu]]
* {{p|Chikorita}}
* {{p|Cyndaquil}}
* {{p|Totodile}}
* {{p|Bronzong}}

==Pokémon==
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{op|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Piplup}} ({{op|Dawn|Piplup}})
* {{p|Grotle}} ({{OP|Ash|Grotle}})
* {{p|Monferno}} ({{OP|Ash|Monferno}})
* {{p|Staraptor}} ({{OP|Ash|Staraptor}})
* {{p|Buizel}} ({{OP|Ash|Buizel}})
* {{p|Gliscor}} ({{OP|Ash|Gliscor}})
* {{p|Pachirisu}} ({{OP|Dawn|Pachirisu}})
* {{p|Buneary}} ({{OP|Dawn|Buneary}})
* {{p|Mamoswine}} ({{OP|Dawn|Mamoswine}})
* {{p|Sudowoodo}} ({{OP|Brock|Sudowoodo}})
* {{p|Croagunk}} ({{OP|Brock|Croagunk}})
* {{p|Happiny}} ({{OP|Brock|Happiny}})
* {{p|Heracross}} ([[Kanta]]'s)
* {{p|Beautifly}} ([[Kako]]'s)
* {{p|Igglybuff}}
* {{p|Nidoking}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Nidoqueen}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Nidoran♀}}
* {{p|Nidoran♂}}
* {{p|Electrike}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Manectric}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Baltoy}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Claydol}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Linoone}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Nosepass}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Probopass}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Absol}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Exploud}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Luxray}} ([[Damos]]'s)
* {{p|Combee}}
* {{p|Geodude}}
* {{p|Graveler}}
* {{p|Golem}}
* {{p|Sandshrew}}
* {{p|Sandslash}}
* {{p|Cubone}}
* {{p|Marowak}}
* {{p|Dusknoir}}
* {{p|Pidgeot}}
* {{p|Budew}}
* {{p|Roserade}}
* {{p|Vileplume}}
* {{p|Bellsprout}}
* {{p|Victreebel}}
* {{p|Suicune}} (cameo)
* {{p|Raikou}} (cameo)
* {{p|Entei}} (cameo)
* {{p|Ho-Oh}} (cameo)
* {{p|Lugia}} (cameo)
* {{p|Zapdos}} (cameo)
* {{p|Articuno}} (cameo)
* {{p|Moltres}} (cameo)
* {{p|Kyogre}} (cameo)
* {{p|Groudon}} (cameo)
* {{p|Manaphy}} (cameo)
* {{p|Phione}} (cameo)
* {{p|Milotic}} (cameo, [[Tower Tycoon Palmer|Palmer]]'s)
* {{p|Garchomp}} (cameo, {{OP|Cynthia|Garchomp}})
* {{an|Dialga}}
* {{an|Palkia}}
* {{an|Giratina}}
* {{p|Heatran}} ([[Marcus]]'s)
* {{an|Arceus}}
* [[Spiky-eared Pichu|Spiky-eared Pichu]]
* {{p|Chikorita}}
* {{p|Cyndaquil}}
* {{p|Totodile}}
* {{p|Bronzong}} ([[Marcus]]'s)

==Cast==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%;}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | [[Sarah Natochenny]]
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! [[Brock]]
| [[Bill Rogers]]
! Takeshi
| [[Yūji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! {{an|Dawn}}
| [[Emily Jenness]]
! Hikari
| [[Megumi Toyoguchi]]
! lang="ja" | ヒカリ
| lang="ja" | 豊口めぐみ
|-
! {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}
| [[Michele Knotz]]
! Pochama
| [[Etsuko Kozakura]]
! lang="ja" | ポッチャマ
| lang="ja" | 小桜エツ子
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| Michele Knotz
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| [[Jimmy Zoppi]]
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| Jimmy Zoppi
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| [[Rodger Parsons]]
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" |
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" | Special appearances by
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 特別出演
|-
! [[Damos]]
| [[Dan Green]]
! Damos
| Masahiro Takashima
! lang="ja" | ダモス
| lang="ja" | 髙嶋政宏
|-
! [[Sheena]]
| [[Rebecca Soler]]
! Sheena
| Kii Kitano
! lang="ja" | シーナ
| lang="ja" | 北乃きい
|-
! {{mo|Kevin}}
|[[Wayne Grayson]]
! Kevin
| Yūji Kishi
! lang="ja" | ケビン
| lang="ja" | 岸祐二
|-
! [[Marcus]]
| [[Jason Griffith]]
! Gishin
| [[Koichi Yamadera]]
! lang="ja" | ギシン
| lang="ja" | 山寺宏一
|-
! {{an|Arceus}}
| Tim Werenko
! Arceus
| Akihiro Miwa
! lang="ja" | アルセウス
| lang="ja" | 美輪明宏
|-
! [[Spiky-eared Pichu]]
| [[Kayzie Rogers]]
! Gizamimi Pichu
| [[Shōko Nakagawa]]
! lang="ja" | ギザみみピチュー
| lang="ja" | 中川翔子
|-
!
|
! [[Tapp]]
| Yuzuru Fujimoto
! lang="ja" | タップ
| lang="ja" | 藤本譲
|-
!
| [[Jamie McGonnigal]]
! [[Kanta]]
| [[Motoko Kumai]]
! lang="ja" | カンタ
| lang="ja" | くまいもとこ
|-
!
|
! [[Kako]]
| Kei Shindou
! lang="ja" | カコ
| lang="ja" | 真堂圭
|-
! {{p|Heatran}}
| [[Tom Wayland]]
! Heatran
| [[Kenta Miyake]]
! lang="ja" | ヒードラン
| lang="ja" | 三宅健太
|}

==Trivia==
* The movie director and producers went to {{wp|Greece}} in August 2008 to use the country as a basis for the movie's fictitious setting. Among the locations they visited were there {{wp|Acropolis_of_Athens|Acropolis}}, {{wp|Mycenae}}, {{wp|Delphi}} and {{wp|Metéora}}.
* Though it has happened to [[Ash's friends]] before, this is the first time {{Ash}} himself travels through time.
* The events of this movie happen between the episodes [[DP135]] and [[DP136]].
* Interestingly, {{wp|Solar eclipse of July 22, 2009|the longest solar eclipse in the 21st century}} was visible from Japan just days after the premiere of this movie, which uses {{wp|solar eclipse|the astronomical event}} as a herald of Arceus's approach.
* This is the first movie that shows a legendary Pokémon that appeared in two previous Pokémon movies, in this case {{an|Dialga}} from ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'' and ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.
** This is also the second movie that shows legendary Pokémon that appeared in a previous movie: {{an|Palkia}} from ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'' and {{an|Giratina}} from ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'', as well as {{an|Dialga}}, who was in both.
* This is the first movie to debut in the US in the same year as it debuted in Japan, with the shortest time between the Japanese premiere and English premiere yet. This makes 2009 the first year when two Pokémon movies debuted in the US.
* Much as was standard in the [[original series]] movies, this movie's English opening is the same as [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl: Galactic Battles|the corresponding season]], which has not occurred since ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.
* This is the third movie in which {{Ash}} and friends do not encounter [[Team Rocket]].
* Although it has happened many times before in the series, this movie marks the first time {{TP|Brock|Croagunk}} is actually seen delivering its {{m|Poison Jab}} to [[Brock]] during his attempts to ask out Sheena.

==Errors==
* Arceus had transformed into its Grass form during the fight in the movie, yet it should not have been able to transform into that form due to the fact that it no longer possessed the grass plate at that particular point in the movie.

== External links ==
*[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp Japanese movie website]
*[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/movie Pokemon.co.jp movie website]
*[http://www.pokemonarceus.com English movie website]
*[http://movie.pokemonkorea.co.kr Korean movie website]

==In other languages==
*French: '''{{tt|Arceus et le Joyau de Vie|Arceus and the Jewel of Life}}'''
*Korean: '''{{tt|아르세우스 초극의 시공으로|Arceus: To the Conquering of Spacetime}}'''

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