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2008-03-03T18:31:50Z

Mesprit: /* Another Giratina Comment */

Even in the anime, are Entei, Raikou, and Suicune ever thought of as gods? I thought they were spirits or embodiments of their elements.

Is Mewtwo really a Legendary? It's even less related to being a God than Raikou, Entei and Suicune, as it's just a mutant created in a laboratory. Also, in the Symphonic Medley Opening, you don't see Mewtwo coupling with the other Legendaries. Perhaps this article should be made more precise, telling the reader that Mewtwo isn't really a Legendary, but often is mentioned as a Legendary, as it has legendary powers (from mew)? What do you think? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 21:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's safe to assume that Mewtwo is a legendary, but a note might be added about that. Also, how do you say legendary in Japanese? More curious than anything, it doesn't have to be added to the page -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

The question is whether ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'' are exclusive categories. Are there any Pokémon which are ''maboroshi'' and in ''densetsu''? Some of the ''maboroshi'' Pokémon are present in ''densetsu'', such as Lugia (although a veiled reference); [[Latios]] and [[Latias]] are featured in ''densetsu'', but their species is ''mugen Pokémon'' - perhaps a roundabout self-reference to the nature of legendary Pokémon - but English species name ''Eon'' suggests a pun between 無限 (infinite) and 夢幻 (fantasy) rather than that. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:16, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realy wonder If any trainer ever captured (or already captured) an densetsu or maboroshi? (exept Giovanni he owned mewto for a limited time)

Mewtwo is more of the ''maboroshi'' than the ''densetsu''. Determining weither or not it's 'densetsu' or not depends on which canon we use. In the Anime, the Kanto Bird Trio certainly is ''densetsu'', but in the games, they are barely mentioned, except by a few Bird Keepers.
Should the message at the bottom about the Regis have info added to include Regigigas or not? I believe that it is the sealed Pokemon that the caves in Hoenn warn about. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 15:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Interesting. I always assumed it referred to all three Gen III Regis but in the light of Diamond and Pearl that is a good possibility. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 23:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting point is that DP itself uses the terms ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'', and this is translated into English as ''mirage'' and ''legendary'', respectively. It also seems to suggest that ''maboroshi'' is a subset of ''densetsu''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Regarding this, should we mention which categories each Legendary falls under? If there's a list somewhere in Japanese? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think that the [[Sinnoh Myths]] article should be merged with this one, or else the entire section on "Myths and Legends involving Legendary Pokémon" might need to be its own article (perhaps called something like "Myths and Legends of the Pokémon World" so it has greater scope?) with the Sinnoh Myths part of that. Just an idea, because I saw that it's a featured article candidate now, and the myths section looks sort of subpar. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think that Unown should defiantly be considered a lengendary. --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Like Arcanine, I suppose it could be considered as having legendary characteristics, but really, it's not legendary. Legendaries are pretty much completely defined by the fact that they are one-per-game Pokémon that are not able to breed and produce offspring that either is or can become the same species. And, of course, how many Unown can you get? A lot. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Solaceon Ruins? ==

Should a translation of the Unown runes there be on this page? --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== What about Absol? ==

Sometimes, aren't absol considered legendary?

:No. I've never heard of Absol being legendary, and I know a lot about Absol. :S [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think they're ever considered legendary. They have appeared close to legendaries, because Absol are disaster-sensing Pokémon, and there are no bigger disasters than those caused by legendaries and their interaction with nature ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Giratina ==

Since when was Giratina confirmed to have been created from Arceus? And even more pertinent, since when have Cresscelia and Darkrai been said to have been created from Giratina? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:According to the games, Arceus is the "Original One." This would mean that everything in the Pokémon world was either created by Arceus or by another Pokémon that was created by Arceus, or another Pokémon that was created by a Pokémon that was created by Arceus, and so on. Giratina is clearly too powerful to have been created by Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, or Palkia, so by a process of elimination, Giratina was created by Arceus. Also, [[Dragon trio|this article]] wouldn't be on Bulbapedia if Giratina wasn't recognized by everyone as being created by Arceus (I didn't start the article). Now, as for why Cresselia and Darkrai were created by Giraina. First, they were nowhere near powerful enough to be straight from Arceus. Therefore, they must either be from Dialga and Palkia, Giratina, or Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Due to the fact that they essentially have nothing to do with time and space, they would have to be created by either Giratina or the Lake Trio. Since there is no mention of Cresselia or Darkrai in the legends in the Canalave Library (Giratina isn't mentioned because it was unknown), they can't have been made by the Lake Trio either. Therefore, by a process of elimination, Giratina created Cresselia and Darkrai. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's nothing but original research. None of us get the right to say something isn't "powerful enough" to be created by Arceus. Unless Game Freak/Tajiri/etc. announce any of that, you can't treat it as fact.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That is entirely all speculation on your part. I'm surprised you didn't try to shove all the other Legendaries into that absurd "family tree". So did Kyogre give birth to Manaphy or did Lugia mate with Latias? *rolls eyes* And that article you linked to is about ''fan terminology'', so that isn't confirming it as fact. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That article I linked to says that Giratina is on an equal level (power-wise, not in-game level-wise) as Dialga and Palkia. And I didn't add the other legendaries because they, unlike Giratina, Darkrai, and Cresselia, have '''no''' proof of their relationships with other legendary Pokémon. If I was going to add an "absurd family tree" as you called it, I would have added [[User:Shiny Noctowl#The legendaries|this]] (some of the sub-relationships ''are'' confirmed, but their relationships with Gen IV haven't been confirmed yet, so I couldn't add them). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::: No, the article you linked to just said that "The Dragon trio is a term used to refer to Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia". It doesn't say anything about these mysterious "power levels" that seem to only exist in your mind, nor that the three all came from Arceus anymore than Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza do. Nor does it say anything about Darkrai and Cresselia being siblings or Giratina being their mother. This is entirely fanwank speculation on your part. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::By "power levels," I just meant that they are equally powerful. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is based on stats. Look:

'''Giratina'''

HP: 150

Attack: 100

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 100

SpDef: 120

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Dialga'''

HP: 100

Attack: 120

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 100

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Palkia'''

HP: 90

Attack: 120

Defense: 100

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 120

Speed: 100

Total: 680

Not only do they all have the same total base stats (680) but they have the same distributions (one 150, two 120s, two 100, and one 90). This clearly shows that they are a trio. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed something kind of awkward about Palkia. You know it's in-game base HP, 90. Now look at a card scan of Palkia from the Diamond & Pearl TCG set. If you notice, they have the ''exacly the same HP''. Take an example from Shednga. In-game-1-TCG-''up to 50''.-[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[Image:Ani201MS.gif]] 9:40 p.m., 10 October 2007 (CT)

''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings. Fan assumptions do not count. '''End of story.''' --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Every single legendary trio has the same total base stats with the same distributions between stats. Therefore, my argument is valid until you can find three unrelated Pokémon that have the same base stat total with the same distribution. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please get it through your head that ''stats have no effect on Pokemon background or flavor information''. Second of all, easily done. Shaymin. Manaphy. Mew. Jirachi. Celebi. I guess they all come from some unnamed "mother" Pokemon as well, right? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I said ''unrelated'' Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:And you first said:
Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything.
:But then completely reversed it and said:
''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings.
:First you say that base stats are important and Pokédex entries aren't important, and then you say that base stats aren't important and Pokédex entries '''are''' important. Which is it? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think a more sound argument will note that all of the highest-powered legendaries of a generation typically have their stats sum to 680, as Mewtwo does, too. That doesn't imply lineage, directly anyway. Also, your argument that power doesn't increase down an "evolutionary" or other chain is disproven by Mewtwo, who is significantly more "powerful" than Mew in every canonical respect save learnset. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Okay. About Giratina and everything. Go compare Dialga, Palkia and Giratina's stats and level-up moves.
:Stats: 150 (1), 120 (2), 100 (2), 90 (1).
:Moves in common - Scary Face and DragonBreath at L:1.
:STAB move at 10.
:AncientPower at 20.
:Dragon Claw at 30.
:Signature move at 40.
:Heal Block at 50.
:Earth Power at 60.
:Slash at 70. (I say wtc at this one. Why Slash?!)
:Powerful STAB move at 80.
:Aura Sphere at 90.
:(Note that the ONLY differences between the movepools between the movepools is the STAB moves, and the signature moves. Coincidental? I think not.) [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 16:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that they're related. And Giratina will be the third version mascot. However, that's a conclusion and not a fact. Still, I don't get why doesn't Giratina appear in the article anymore. Did it start a Shadow Force? If the trouble is because of classifying it as a "legendary dragon", then let's just place Giratina next to Regigigas and the others, and mention its possible relation to Dialga and Palkia while the third version doesn't appear. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:You say "It's obvious they're related." So it should be added back into the article.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center"| [[Legendary trio]] || align="center"| [[Dragon trio|Existence trio]] || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

hey, i did this! by the way, giratina IS PART OF THIS TRIO. just wait till pokemon opal comes out. you'll see. there is a website if you don't believe in me: [http://PokemonOpal.com]. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm............... that link just goes to the nintendo website..........It has nothing about girantina! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT! but it's strange anyway. you can see a better description here: [http://www.pokebeach.com/?start_from=70&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&]. scroll down until you see Sunday - May 6th, 2007. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 23:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The guy said it was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 23:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

no, he said that someone made it up and THAT was an April fools joke. still, the website still exists. And the registrant of that site (which likns to nintendo) is nintendo! think whatever you want, dude, but ever since i read this, it got stuck on my head. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 11:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:The fact that Nintendo that domain name certainly is suspicious. However, Nintendo has also filed a bunch of weird trademarks like "Pokémon Amethyst," and we shouldn't think about a website redirect so hard. It may mean absolutely nothing; for example, J.K. Rowling has a history of filing trademarks for fake Harry Potter titles.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Yep, there's a problem with Giratina being part of the Dragon Trio...Guess what? It is '''not''' in the Sinnoh Pokédex! Looking at the before Sister games, you can conclude that the region's Pokédex stays the same until the defeat of the Elite Four. So, in conclusion, Giratina will NOT be in the main storyline of the sister game of Diamond and Pearl. In other words, The only Legendaries left to be the next game's mascot are the Lake Trio and Manaphy! Big Problem, right? At least Rayquaza '''and''' Suicune were in their region Pokédexes! The likeliness of a sister game to DP is low, very low...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nintendo will probably come up with a way around it. Maybe the main storyline happens '''after''' you become the Champion. Or maybe, the main storyline happens before you become the Champion, but you don't get to actually catch Giratina until after you become the Champion. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Most game event take place before the elite four and the star Pokémon is usually obtainable before the elite four anyway (I used a master ball on the Rayquaza) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Forgetting that {{p|Rayquaza}} was only obtainable after the E4? Yes, it was in Hoenn Dex.. but even then, you CAN get Pokémon not in Sinnoh Dex - for example, I did have 100 {{p|Eevee}} before the Elite Four - I just couldn't view their dex data or number. So um.. yeah, I still think it's possible ^^; I think you got Rayquaza before the E4 in {{pkmn|Emerald}}, though I'm not sure because I haven't got to that point yet. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, yeah. I was talking bout Emerald. And it's true, Rayquaza is the star Pokémon and can be captured before the E4...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, the regional Pokédex numeration is not so determinant IMO. They could also enlarge the Sinnoh Pokédex for the third version specifically. Since the regional Pokédex is a game-specific feature and not a file-specific feature, it's possible. Emerald took place after Ruby & Sapphire chronologically, so maybe they'll expand the Sinnoh Pokédex months/years later. Maybe the Spring Path will open right after you catch Dialga and Palkia and before you become the champion. Let Oak give you the National Pokédex when you meet every Pokémon plus Giratina. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that has never EVER happened before in one of the sister games. And I just had a horrible thought. Since I saw Suicune as Crystal's mascot, the next game's mastcot could be Mesprit...Okay, that gives us FIVE Pokémon...*sigh* [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:What thing never happened? ^_^' And yeah, Mesprit is like a Generation IV Suicune. With the exception that the choice of Suicune only happened in the third version (not Gold and Silver), while the peculiarities of Mesprit exist since the first two versions, before Opal. Also Ho-Oh and Lugia didn't have a Rayquaza/Giratina in their generation. Dialga rules time, Palkia rules space, and maybe Giratina rules the whole reality and is the ultimate goal of Cyrus or something. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::They have NEVER enlarged the Pokédex before...Giratina rules the underworld, maybe Cyrus want to bring back Pokémon from the dead...It's just a thought...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== A Quartet??? ==

Just thoght I should point out that Phione, Manaphy, Heatran and Shaymin all seem to complement eachother. Could it be that they are the 1st Legendary Quartet?
:No. I have NO idea how Heatran is related to them. AT ALL. Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy all fit in the Cute category. Heatran goes in the 'I HAVE NO IDEA D8' category. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Phione is far weaker, and Heatran has higher base stats. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stats aside, they each represent one domains of the legendaries. Fire, Water, and Grass. Although it ''is'' a bit of a stretch, I am not talking about their relative stats, I'm talking about Pokémon Mythos. They have played a large role in shaping the world.
:But still. NONE of them have to do with the land. This is a random thought to just give an excuse to categorize (Not the Wiki Way!) the last legends that don't fit. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 22:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Manaphy is the 'Prince of the Sea' Shaymin causes Land to flourish, and creates a cleaner sky, and Heatran dwells in a volcano, hence land

==How many?==

How many legendary pokemons are actually are there? I mean are they one of a kind or theres more of them?? [[User:MAXDude17|MAXDude]]
:They're only one of a kind in the games (although I think that can easily be explained as "you'll probably never see such a rare Pokémon more than once). In other media (anime, manga, etc.) there's often more than one because - let's face it - it's improbable that these Pokémon wouldn't be extinct by now without a way to procreate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you may CATCH only one, but that doesn't mean that they ARE one-of-a-kind. I mean, even the Games imply that there are multitudes of legendaries, considering how Entei's Pokedex entry said that a new one is born at the same time a Volcano erupts (though pokedex entries are debatable), Brandon has all of the regis (as well as all of the three birds on gold symbol level), The Legendary Beasts were found in Orre, Fiore, and even KANTO (the last one couldn't have been the burnt tower beasts since they were still asleep by that time.), in addition to Johto, the Lati@'s Pokedex articles stated that there was more than one Lati@s, the 3 Birds were seen in Kanto and Orre, Lugia was sighted in Orre, Kanto and Johto. The same applies to Ho-Oh (though, unlike Lugia, it was never a shadow pokemon.), Celebi was seen in Orre, Fiore, and Johto (sort of), Mew was seen on mysterious Island, pokemon Island, Kanto, And Fiore, Manaphy (as well as Phione) were implied to have many in their species due to both of them being introduced as eggs, Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre were all seen in both Hoenn and Fiore, and Palmer had Regigigas, Cresselia, and Heatran on his team in the second battle against him, despite the fact that Regigigas, Heatran, and Cresselia are most likely still at their places. I mean, the Only legendary pokemon that is explicitly stated to be one of a Kind (Or at least haven't had another of their species appear in the Main Pokeverse yet.) are Mewtwo (Mystery Dungeon doesn't count.), Darkrai (the upcoming Mystery dungeon sequel doesn't count), Sheimi, and Arceus.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I don't think a legendary pokemon has to be strictly native to one region, I see nothing significant about Ho-Oh appearing in both Johto and Orre. There are definitly more then one member of legendary pokemon species, except for special cases like Palkia and such. At the same time, I don't think the fact that Palmer had legendary pokemon is significant, since most games give legendary pokemon to the last enemy trainer at the end of particular modes. (Mt. Battle, Battle Tower, Poketopia, etc.) [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Another Giratina Comment ==

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of? I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.
:p.s. can you guys checkout the [[Double Battle|Double Battle]] page and look under the article I, [[User: Kirby 3003| kirby3003]], made, "Pokemon Pairs Often Used In Double Battles". I think some of the pairs I put don't make sense or are a little too fanny, if you know what I mean...

Palkia and Dialga spend most of their time in that other demension, and since Giratina has the same base stats as them, I believe it can be safely said that he is super-powered, no matter how you look at it. [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1

2008-03-03T18:29:27Z

Mesprit: /* How many? */

Lt. Surge's Raichu

2008-02-03T03:33:15Z

Mesprit:

{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
trainername=Lt. Surge|
pokemonname=Raichu|
jtrainername=マチス|
jpokemonname=ライチュウ|
tmtrainername=Machisu|
tmpokemonname=Raichu|
image=[[Image:SurgesRaichu.jpg|200px]] |
caption=Lt. Surge's Raichu |
location=[[Kanto]] |
evolution=1|
epnum=EP014|
numeps1=an unknown number of|
firststagename=Pikachu|
epname=Electric Shock Showdown|
firstevoep=EP014|
firstevoname=''Prior to'' Electric Shock Showdown|
prevonum=025|
evo1num=026|
current=[[Party|With Lt. Surge]]|
java1=Not shown|
java2=???|
}}

'''Lt. Surge's Raichu''' (Japanese: '''マチスのライチュウ''' ''Machisu's Raichu'') is [[Lt. Surge]]'s main Pokémon in the anime.

Raichu made its appearance in ''[[EP014|Electric Shock Showdown]]'', when Surge used it to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]]. Surge laughed at [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]] for not evolving Pikachu, thinking evolved Pokémon are always better. With its powerful {{m|Thunderbolt}} attack, Raichu easily defeated Pikachu.

Eventually, however, Ash defeated Surge in a rematch, proving him that evolved Pokémon are not always better. As Raichu evolved too fast, it never learned any speed attacks. Pikachu took advantage of this by using its speed attacks to confuse Raichu. Pikachu also dodged Raichu's powerful {{m|Thunderbolt}} attack by using its tail to dodge it.

Lt. Surge's Raichu's attitude towards Ash's Pikachu almost completely mirrors Lt. Surge's attitude toward Ash. When they first meet Raichu doesn't have a high opinion of Pikachu, but after being defeated grows to respect Pikachu.

[[Image:SurgeRaichu.gif|left|thumb|Raichu towering over [[Ash's Pikachu]].]]
==Moves used==
* {{m|ThunderShock}}
* {{m|Mega Punch}}
* {{m|Mega Kick}}
* {{m|Body Slam}}
* {{m|Thunderbolt}}
* {{m|Take Down}}

==In the TCG==
* {{TCG|Gym Heroes}}: {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Lt. Surge's Raichu|28}}
* {{TCG|Gym Challenge}}: {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Lt. Surge's Raichu|11}}
* {{TCG|Pokémon VS}}: {{TCG ID|VS|Lt. Surge's Raichu|53}}

==Related articles==
{{Animespeciesevo1|Pikachu|Raichu}}
{{animestub}}
[[Category:Gym Leaders' Pokémon]]

Winona

2008-02-03T02:36:49Z

Mesprit: Spelling

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Winona |
jname=ナギ |
tmname=Nagi |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="The bird user taking flight into the world." |
image=[[Image:ArtWinona.png|150px]] |
caption=Art from R/S/E |
gender=Female |
hometown=[[Fortree City]] |
region=[[Hoenn]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation=[[Generation III|III]] |
games=[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Ruby]], [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Sapphire]], [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] |
leader=yes |
gym=Fortree Gym |
type=[[Flying (type)|Flying]] |
badge=Feather Badge |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=AG084 |
epname=Who's Flying Now? |
enva=[[Amy Birnbaum]] |
java=[[Hyōsei]]
}}

'''Winona''' (Japanese: '''ナギ''' ''Nagi'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Fortree City]]'s [[Gym]], known officially as the [[Fortree Gym]]. She specializes in {{type2|Flying}} [[Pokémon]] and gives out the [[Badge#Feather Badge|Feather Badge]] to [[Pokémon trainer|trainers]] who defeat her.

==In the anime==
[[Image:WinnonaAnime.jpg|frame|left|Winnona in the anime]]Winona was the Gym Leader of the Fortree City Gym, who was also known as the most talented Flying Type user. She appeared in ''[[AG084|Who's Flying Now?]]'' and ''[[AG085|Sky High Gym Battle]]''. When [[Ash]] first arrived at Fortree, she was away from the gym in order to help out in the [[Feather Carnival]], an annual festival where the whole city celebrates the Flying Pokémon. After getting scared by [[Brock]]'s "usual ways" and chasing [[Team Rocket]] off for trying to steal the {{type2|Flying}}s with her {{p|Skarmory}}, she battled Ash on the next day.

Winona used {{p|Altaria}}, {{p|Pelipper}} and a [[Alternate color|shiny]] {{p|Swellow}} against [[Ash's Grovyle]], [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]] and his own [[Ash's Swellow|Swellow]]. After a long (and, surprisingly, Team Rocket-less) battle, Ash won the Feather Badge from her.

She is voiced by 氷青 ''Hyōsei'' in the Japanese version and [[Amy Birnbaum]] in the English version.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Winona's Pokémon in the Pokémon anime.

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:227.png]] {{p|Skarmory}}
| align=center | [[Image:279.png]] {{p|Pelipper}}
| align=center | [[Image:334.png]] {{p|Altaria}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4d_277_s.png]] [[Winona's Swellow|Swellow]]
|}

==In the games==
Winona runs the Fortree City Gym. She specializes in {{type2|Flying}} Pokémon and gives out the Feather Badge once defeated. In addition to the Feather Badge, Winona also gives out {{TM|40|Aerial Ace}} in [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Ruby, Sapphire]], and [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]].

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Winona's Pokémon in the video games in which she has appeared.

====Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire====

{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:277.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Swellow}}
|LV1=Lv. 31
|G1=♀
|HI1=???
|M1P1={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M2P1={{m|Double Team}}
|M3P1={{m|Quick Attack}}
|M4P1={{m|Focus Energy}}

|#2=[[Image:279.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Pelipper}}
|LV2=Lv. 30
|G2=♀
|HI2=???
|M1P2={{m|Water Gun}}
|M2P2={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M3P2={{m|Protect}}
|M4P2={{m|Mist}}

|#3=[[Image:227.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Skarmory}}
|LV3=Lv. 31
|G3=♀
|HI3=???
|M1P3={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M2P3={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M3P3={{m|Sand Attack}}
|M4P3={{m|Agility}}

|#4=[[Image:334.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Altaria}}
|LV4=Lv. 33
|G4=♀
|HI4=???
|M1P4={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M2P4={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P4={{m|Dragonbreath}}
|M4P4={{m|Dragon Dance}}

|#5=
|Poke5=
|LV5=
|G5=
|HI5=
|M1P5=
|M2P5=
|M3P5=
|M4P5=

|#6=
|Poke6=
|LV6=
|G6=
|HI6=
|M1P6=
|M2P6=
|M3P6=
|M4P6=
}}

====Pokémon Emerald====
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:333.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Swablu}}
|LV1=Lv. 29
|G1=♀
|HI1=
|M1P1={{m|Perish Song}}
|M2P1={{m|Mirror Move}}
|M3P1={{m|Safeguard}}
|M4P1={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#2=[[Image:357.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Tropius}}
|LV2=Lv. 29
|G2=♀
|HI2=
|M1P2={{m|Sunny Day}}
|M2P2={{m|Solarbeam}}
|M3P2={{m|Synthesis}}
|M4P2={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#3=[[Image:279.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Pelipper}}
|LV3=Lv. 31
|G3=♀
|HI3=
|M1P3={{m|Water Gun}}
|M2P3={{m|Supersonic}}
|M3P3={{m|Protect}}
|M4P3={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#4=[[Image:227.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Skarmory}}
|LV4=Lv. 31
|G4=♀
|HI4=
|M1P4={{m|Fury Attack}}
|M2P4={{m|Sand-Attack}}
|M3P4={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M4P4={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#5=[[Image:334.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Altaria}}
|LV5=Lv. 33
|G5=♀
|HI5=
|M1P5={{m|Dragonbreath}}
|M2P5={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P5={{m|Dragon Dance}}
|M4P5={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#6=
|Poke6=
|LV6=
|G6=
|HI6=
|M1P6=
|M2P6=
|M3P6=
|M4P6=
}}

=====First Rematch=====
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:147.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Dratini}}
|LV1=Lv. 40
|G1=♂
|HI1=
|M1P1={{m|Hyper Beam}}
|M2P1={{m|Protect}}
|M3P1={{m|Thunderbolt}}
|M4P1={{m|Ice Beam}}

|#2=[[Image:357.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Tropius}}
|LV2=Lv. 38
|G2=♂
|HI2=
|M1P2={{m|Sunny Day}}
|M2P2={{m|Solarbeam}}
|M3P2={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M4P2={{m|Earthquake}}

|#3=[[Image:279.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Pelipper}}
|LV3=Lv. 41
|G3=♂
|HI3=
|M1P3={{m|Surf}}
|M2P3={{m|Protect}}
|M3P3={{m|Supersonic}}
|M4P3={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#4=[[Image:227.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Skarmory}}
|LV4=Lv. 43
|G4=♂
|HI4=
|M1P4={{m|Whirlwind}}
|M2P4={{m|Spikes}}
|M3P4={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M4P4={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#5=[[Image:334.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Altaria}}
|LV5=Lv. 45
|G5=♂
|HI5=
|M1P5={{m|Dragonbreath}}
|M2P5={{m|Dragon Dance}}
|M3P5={{m|Rest}}
|M4P5={{m|Earthquake}}

|#6=
|Poke6=
|LV6=
|G6=
|HI6=
|M1P6=
|M2P6=
|M3P6=
|M4P6=
}}

=====Second Rematch=====
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:163.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Hoothoot}}
|LV1=Lv. 43
|G1=♂
|HI1=
|M1P1={{m|Hypnosis}}
|M2P1={{m|Reflect}}
|M3P1={{m|Psychic}}
|M4P1={{m|Dream Eater}}

|#2=[[Image:357.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Tropius}}
|LV2=Lv. 43
|G2=♂
|HI2=
|M1P2={{m|Sunny Day}}
|M2P2={{m|Solarbeam}}
|M3P2={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M4P2={{m|Earthquake}}

|#3=[[Image:148.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Dragonair}}
|LV3=Lv. 45
|G3=♂
|HI3=
|M1P3={{m|Hyper Beam}}
|M2P3={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P3={{m|Thunderbolt}}
|M4P3={{m|Ice Beam}}

|#4=[[Image:279.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Pelipper}}
|LV4=Lv. 46
|G4=♂
|HI4=
|M1P4={{m|Surf}}
|M2P4={{m|Protect}}
|M3P4={{m|Supersonic}}
|M4P4={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#5=[[Image:227.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Skarmory}}
|LV5=Lv. 48
|G5=♂
|HI5=
|M1P5={{m|Whirlwind}}
|M2P5={{m|Spikes}}
|M3P5={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M4P5={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#6=[[Image:334.png]]
|Poke6={{p|Altaria}}
|LV6=Lv. 50
|G6=♂
|HI6=
|M1P6={{m|Sky Attack}}
|M2P6={{m|Dragon Dance}}
|M3P6={{m|Rest}}
|M4P6={{m|Earthquake}}
}}

=====Third Rematch=====
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:164.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Noctowl}}
|LV1=Lv. 48
|G1=♂
|HI1=
|M1P1={{m|Hypnosis}}
|M2P1={{m|Reflect}}
|M3P1={{m|Psychic}}
|M4P1={{m|Dream Eater}}

|#2=[[Image:357.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Tropius}}
|LV2=Lv. 49
|G2=♂
|HI2=
|M1P2={{m|Sunny Day}}
|M2P2={{m|Solarbeam}}
|M3P2={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M4P2={{m|Earthquake}}

|#3=[[Image:148.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Dragonair}}
|LV3=Lv. 50
|G3=♂
|HI3=
|M1P3={{m|Hyper Beam}}
|M2P3={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P3={{m|Thunderbolt}}
|M4P3={{m|Ice Beam}}

|#4=[[Image:279.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Pelipper}}
|LV4=Lv. 51
|G4=♂
|HI4=
|M1P4={{m|Surf}}
|M2P4={{m|Protect}}
|M3P4={{m|Supersonic}}
|M4P4={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#5=[[Image:227.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Skarmory}}
|LV5=Lv. 53
|G5=♂
|HI5=
|M1P5={{m|Whirlwind}}
|M2P5={{m|Spikes}}
|M3P5={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M4P5={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#6=[[Image:334.png]]
|Poke6={{p|Altaria}}
|LV6=Lv. 55
|G6=♂
|HI6=
|M1P6={{m|Sky Attack}}
|M2P6={{m|Dragon Dance}}
|M3P6={{m|Rest}}
|M4P6={{m|Earthquake}}
}}

=====Fourth Rematch=====
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:164.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Noctowl}}
|LV1=Lv. 53
|G1=♂
|HI1=
|M1P1={{m|Hypnosis}}
|M2P1={{m|Reflect}}
|M3P1={{m|Psychic}}
|M4P1={{m|Dream Eater}}

|#2=[[Image:357.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Tropius}}
|LV2=Lv. 54
|G2=♂
|HI2=
|M1P2={{m|Sunny Day}}
|M2P2={{m|Solarbeam}}
|M3P2={{m|Aerial Ace}}
|M4P2={{m|Earthquake}}

|#3=[[Image:149.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Dragonite}}
|LV3=Lv. 55
|G3=♂
|HI3=
|M1P3={{m|Hyper Beam}}
|M2P3={{m|Earthquake}}
|M3P3={{m|Thunderbolt}}
|M4P3={{m|Ice Beam}}

|#4=[[Image:279.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Pelipper}}
|LV4=Lv. 55
|G4=♂
|HI4=
|M1P4={{m|Surf}}
|M2P4={{m|Protect}}
|M3P4={{m|Supersonic}}
|M4P4={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#5=[[Image:227.png]]
|Poke5={{p|Skarmory}}
|LV5=Lv. 58
|G5=♂
|HI5=
|M1P5={{m|Whirlwind}}
|M2P5={{m|Spikes}}
|M3P5={{m|Steel Wing}}
|M4P5={{m|Aerial Ace}}

|#6=[[Image:334.png]]
|Poke6={{p|Altaria}}
|LV6=Lv. 60
|G6=♂
|HI6=
|M1P6={{m|Sky Attack}}
|M2P6={{m|Dragon Dance}}
|M3P6={{m|Rest}}
|M4P6={{m|Earthquake}}
}}

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
[[Image:Winona.PNG|right|frame|Winona in the Pokémon Special]]
In [[Pokémon Special]], Winona is the supervisor of the [[Hoenn]] Gym Leaders, much as [[Erika]] is the leader of the [[Kanto]] Gym Leaders. Her job is to watch over all [[Hoenn]] Gym Leaders to ensure the gyms are running smoothly. She's apparently close to [[Flannery]], as the redhead's judgment is enough to convince her that [[Team Magma]] is the side she should take in the battle between Team Magma and [[Team Aqua]]. Later, she is convinced by [[Wallace]] to renounce her alliance, as both sides are up to no good.

When {{Special|Sapphire}} first battles and loses to Winona, Winona takes her under her wing and trains her. Because of this, Sapphire joins the Gym Leaders' fight against {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}}.

She and [[Wallace]] apparently had some sort of [[GracefulShipping|relationship]] in the past, speculated by most fans to have been romantic. Although it is largely unconfirmed whether she still has feelings for him, it is quite obvious that [[Wallace]] still has feelings for her, based on the scene where the two say their goodbyes before they leave to fight {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} in {{PSV|20}}.

When Wallace attempted to battle [[Maxie]] and [[Archie]] single-handedly, Winona was held hostage by Archie's {{p|Tentacruel}}.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Winona's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.
* {{p|Altaria}}
* {{p|Swablu}}
* {{p|Masquerain}}
* {{p|Beautifly}}
* {{p|Skarmory}}

==Quotes==
''"I am Winona. I am the Leader of the Fortree Pokémon Gym. I have become one with Bird Pokémon and have soared the skies... However grueling the battle, we have triumphed with grace... Witness the elegant choreography of Bird Pokémon and I!"''

''"Never before have I seen a Trainer command Pokémon with more grace than I... In recognition of your prowess, I present to you this Gym Badge."''

==Trivia==
*Her Japanese Leader title is {{tt|大空に羽ばたく姫姉様|Woman Flapping Through the Heavens}}.
*In addition to being the only female in the [[Pokémon anime]] to own a [[Alternate color|shiny]] Pokémon, Winona is the only [[Gym Leader]] to do so.
==Names==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
|ナギ (''Nagi'')
|Alludes to "calm; lull" (凪 ''nagi''), possibly relating to wind.
|-
|English
|Winona
|Meaning "first born daughter", but may have been chosen because it's similar to "wing" or "wind".
|-
|French
|Alizée
|Possible derivation from "alizé" (trade wind).
|-
|German
|Wibke
|Possible derivation from "Wind", "Schwinge" (wing), or "Wirbel" ("whirlpool").
|-
|Italian
|Alice
|Possible derivation from "ali", which is the plural of "ala" ("wing").
|-
|Spanish
|Alana
|Possible derivation from "ala" ("wing").
|-
|Korean
|은송 (''Eunsong'')
|
|-
|Chinese
|娜琪 (''Na Qi'')
|A phonetical translation of "Nagi".
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/gymleader-nagi.html Nagi's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

{{Gym Leaders of Hoenn}}

[[Category:Anime characters]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Special characters]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire characters]]
[[Category:Emerald characters]]
[[Category:Flying-type trainers]]
[[ja:ナギ]]
[[de:Wibke]]

Sashay

2008-01-28T03:51:55Z

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[[Image:sissy.png|thumb|Sashay (Japanese version)]]'''Colosseum Master Sashay''' (Japanese: '''コロシアムマスター　リボン''' ''Colosseum Master Ribon'') is the sixth Colosseum leader in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], and the second [[Colosseum Master]]. She is the head of [[Sunny Park Colosseum]]. She has purple hair, black skin, and light brown eyes. She is probably in her 20s. Like [[Taylor]], Sashay appears to like cute and beautiful Pokémon, and uses both in battle. [[Trainer]]s in her Colosseum sometimes refer to her as "Ms. Sashay".

There is a Trainer class called [[Sashay Fan Club]]. It is presumed Trainers of this class belong to a club of the same name.

Sashay views herself as being beautiful, to the point that it could be considered narcissistic.

Sashay considers herself an expert at dancing.

Interestingly enough, Sashay had white skin in the Japanese version of the game. However, her skin color was changed to black in the English version. She was also given shorts for unknown reasons.

When facing her in Little Battle format, her [[Trainer classes|Trainer class]] is changed from Colosseum Master to [[Little Queen]], a Trainer class exclusive to her.

Her Japanese name, Ribon, is based on the fact that she is decked out from head to toe in ribbons. Her English name, Sashay, has the same origin, except it refers sashes instead of ribbons. It is also a reference to dancing.

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User:Mesprit

2008-01-28T03:22:06Z

Mesprit:

I am Mesprit, I have decided that during my time on Bulbapedia I will use this name.

I have been with the series from the very beginning, all the way back since Red and Blue for the Gameboy.

I generally prefer the games over all other material, but I still like the anime and such, I could never really get ''in'' the card game, though.

In the games, my strategy is generally brute force, crushing the enemy before they can get a chance to do much, I have my pokemon have a few "precaution" abilities (status effects) in case pure strength won't work.

Although I generally enjoy romance in most fictions, there aren't many shippings in the series that really strike a cord with me, as of right now i'm only a fan of [[Pearlshipping]], [[FortuneShipping]], and [[RivalShippingXD]]. I don't agree with homosexual ships or incest ships, but I won't hold anything against people who do enjoy them, nor will I do something drastic with the pages for homo and/or incest ships.

Normally I cannot attend Pokémon conventions, therefore any of the promotional pokémon (such as Mew) are completely out of bounds for me, normally I wouldn't care, however, [[Darkrai]] has captured my intrest, i'm tempted to resort to [[Cheating]], but I don't want to...

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2008-01-28T02:59:37Z

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2008-01-28T02:36:29Z

Mesprit: New page: I am Mesprit, I have decided that during my time on Bulbapedia I will use this name. I have been with the series from the very beginning, all the way back since Red and Blue for the Game...

I am Mesprit, I have decided that during my time on Bulbapedia I will use this name.

I have been with the series from the very beginning, all the way back since Red and Blue for the Gameboy.

I generally prefer the games over all other material, but I still like the anime and such, I could never really get ''in'' the card game, though.

In the games, my strategy is generally brute force, crushing the enemy before they can get a chance to do much, I have my pokemon have a few "precaution" abilities (status effects) in case pure strength won't work.

Although I generally enjoy romance in most fictions, there aren't many shippings in the series that really strike a cord with me, as of right now i'm only a fan of [[Pearlshipping]] and [[RivalShippingXD]]. I don't agree with homosexual ships, but I won't hold anything against people who do enjoy them, nor will I do something drastic with the pages for homo ships.