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Talk:Sinnoh Route 212

2021-06-23T04:40:28Z

MegaNerd14: /* Bugged tile on North 212 */

Ehm, zoday it is not raining on Route 212 (Pastoria-Part) O_o It is dark, but without rain

== Lotad and Lombre Appearence Rate ==

Why does it say 4%? I have read that ALL dongle/dual-slot Pokémon are 8% chance? Are Lotad and Lombre special? Or are they ''all just not'' 8% [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 01:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:Two Pokémon. Hence, the 8% is divided in two. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::Duh, I guess I should've got that (being the math genius I am, lol). [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Erm? ==

So I've recently been migrating Pokemon from Emerald, and while picking berries in the part that's usually rainy, it is thundering and stuff like when in Emerald you are on the route where the Marine Cave is currently. What's going on? [[User:Silvermoonstar3|Silvermoonstar3]] 18:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

:Just like the area around the [[Weather Institute]] has rain that will sometimes turn into a thunderstorm, the same happens to R.212 and R.215. It's like the [[Snowpoint City#Diamond dust|Diamond dust]] of {{tt|rain|meaning, it won't happen very often}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::I added that fact to the Trivia section, mentioning that the two routes have similar weather patterns. --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 01:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Optional ==

While I was playing ''Diamond'' earlier, I realized that Route 212's basically ''completely optional''. There's nothing to gain (aside from training and items) from traversing the route. Shouldn't it be mentioned that it's basically optional, unlike almost every other route in the games? [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 03:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Full Heal and Max Repel ==

South the Honey Tree is a Full Heal, west the Honey Tree is a Max Repel, but I don´t see them in this article. But can anybody verify if this is only in the Platinum version or in both versions. Since I only have Platinum.

Yeah, I'm looking for the Dawn Stone :). But instead found these 2. [[User:KrakenNLD|KrakenNLD]] 13:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

i noticed the trivia note: 'This is the longest route in Sinnoh.', this isn't true, the longest route is seabreak path, shouldn't this be changed to 'This is the longest route in Sinnoh without the help of an event' or something... {{unsigned|GoldHuksy}}
:I guess Seabreak Path is not considered a route. Also, remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::Seabreak Path isn't considered a route because it doesn't have ''route'' in it's name. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Completely unrelated quiestion (almost) ==

it is about routes:
where do these route images come from?
are they scans from a magazine/strategy guide? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ben7229}} ([[User talk:Ben7229|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ben7229|contribs]]) ''
:On this page, yes. Other pages have maps ripped directly from the game, or amalgamated from screenshots by users. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there anywhere i can get them, or are they mostly scanned straight off page? {{unsigned|Ben7229}}

== Protein in DP perhaps changed to Iron in Platinum? ==

The table on this page states that there is a Protein on this route that requires surf to obtain. In my Platinum game I found an Iron at this location instead. Can anyone else confirm this? --[[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 23:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== No Rain? ==

Well, I don't know if it is a glitch, but I've never messed with my game. On Diamond, Route 212 gets dark but doesn't rain. In battles, it doesn't rain either. It normally rains, though, just not today. - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:04 PM EST 1 May 2010
:Which side? Because the lower part of the "L" by Pastoria always rains, no matter what. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, another person also said this was happening. Maybe you should check it out. Do you have Diamond? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:09 PM EST 1 May 2010

And I just found out that the person that said that said it as on 1 May 2008!!! Check your Diamond, if you have one. - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:14 PM EST 1 May 2010

Is there something special on May 1st? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:17 PM EST 1 May 2010
:Platinum still has rain, but Pearl doesn't. Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Should I put it in the trivia section then? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:44 PM EST 1 May 2010
:I just added it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

That's funny. I was actually going to mention this here yesterday. However... I was playing Platinum. And it happened two days ago. I wonder what the cause is. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 00:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well, okay, I'll try to be specific here. At the time I believe it was either late April 29th or really early April 30th. So either it's not date theory, it shifted around a bit when making Platinum, or it's not time-based. I don't know what the case is, so... we'll see as it comes, I guess. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 00:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

For those trying to replicate this, it needs to be a *natural* day (can't just set your clock to May 1). You can trick it by setting it to April 30 23:59 (any year, I used 2017), then waiting 24 hours + 1 minute. As with resetting for swarms, I made sure to start the game immediately, wait for the day to change and then saved. Interestingly, there's also diamond dust in Snowpoint on this day! [[User:Asottile|Asottile]] ([[User talk:Asottile|talk]]) 20:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== heavy rain and clear sky ==

i cant remember which day this route has no rain.It was just normal blue sky.I also met a day with heavy rain(it has lightning storm which really creep me)but i cant read japanese so i dont know which day it is.I look in dairy it was 6japanword 8japanword.Can someone translate it and is it good enough to add in? [[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 12:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Item Mistake? ==
In the southern items it says "Pearl In the Pokémon Mansion front yard (hidden)", but isn't the Pokémon Mansion in the northern part? --[[User:Bonabopn|Bonabopn]] 12:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

:I agree. This mistake has to be corrected.
:Also, whoever added the items for platinum did not remove the items that were in the D/P version in the same location (for items in the southern area) so those have to corrected too.
:[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 21:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
::The Pearl listed in the Southern area has been removed.--[[User:The CHOsen One|The CHOsen One]] ([[User talk:The CHOsen One|talk]]) 19:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

== Protein Missing from Pearl Version ==
So, apparently the Protein to the west of the Pokemon Mansion (accessible only with Surf) is completely missing from my retail copy of Pokemon Pearl. Has anyone else experienced something like this, or is now the time to start doubting my sanity? --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 21:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

:I confirm, the protein dont exist (im playing pokemon pearl). I passed almost half hour searching for the protein at west of pokemon mansion, near all 3 ponds and it is totally missing -- <big> .Rawr! </big> ''([[User :.Rawr!|Talk]])'' 10:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Northern Gate ==

The text (and the corresponding text for [[Gate]]) says that the route is blocked until the player defeats Maylene. On Pearl, the only one I own, I can access Route 212 via the Northern Gate without having battling Maylene, all I need to do is visit Solaceon Town. During my playthroughs, I tend to prefer to go to the Great Marsh, as that usually involves a Pokémon I would like to catch, so I do know of this method. However, although the Route is unlocked upon visiting Solaceon Town, it is possible that a different event unlocks this gate - perhaps receiving HM04 in the Lost Tower, or just venturing out into Route 209 after meeting Fantina. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 15:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

In addition, the note that it is is unblocked only after you beat the [[Veilstone Gym]] is (at least partially) false in platinum. All I had to do was go all the way around to the south entrance of the gate on [[Route 212]]. So, to get in from the north, is it that you need to actually beat the gym to go in from the north, if you don't go up through the southern gate entrance first? I double-checked and verified that going in [[Solaceon Town]] didn't remove the reporters in platinum, like it sounds like it does in Diamond & Pearl. I might test to verify all the triggers on my second run through the game. [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

== Socialite Reina DP ==

This battle also has stronger Pokémon when using the Vs Seeker. One of the intermediate leveled battles involves a level 40 Roselia as seen in the game. [[User:The CHOsen One|The CHOsen One]] ([[User talk:The CHOsen One|talk]]) 07:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

== Pókemon Ranger Taylor ==

Pókemon Ranger Taylor can be rebattled a 3rd time, he uses a lvl 60 Carnivine, a lvl 62 Luxray and a lvl 58 Dewgong. He gives $3480 {{unsigned|Mrsw}}

== Reporters ==

I can absolutely confirm that the trigger for them to move in DP is stepping foot in Solaceon Town (I've done this multiple times myself). For Platinum, I'm less certain. I know it's definitely not the same as DP, but I'm not sure exactly what it is. I think it's stepping foot in Pastoria.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 18:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Saw the page for 212 and the walktrough were both misleading on the trigger for the reporters on platinum, I've just tested it, pretty sure the trigger for them is just arriving in Pastoria via route 213 like Goukazaru said, I will edit this in ok? [[User:AntiSora|AntiSora]] ([[User talk:AntiSora|talk]]) 01:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

== Bugged tile on North 212 ==

While chaining for Roselia on the northern part of the route in Platinum (on the very south end of the section), I sometimes end up near the northwestern corner of the grass (but never on the corner or edge).
When I get an encounter there, repeatedly I have seen the chain abruptly end, despite encountering the correct pokemon and being surrounded by 8 grass tiles.

The only conclusion I can draw is that at least one tile in the corner is bugged and unable to generate a shaking grass patch. Can someone investigate the map data?

[[User:MegaNerd14|MegaNerd14]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd14|talk]])

Talk:Sinnoh Route 212

2021-06-23T04:37:30Z

MegaNerd14: /* Bugged tile on North 212 */

Ehm, zoday it is not raining on Route 212 (Pastoria-Part) O_o It is dark, but without rain

== Lotad and Lombre Appearence Rate ==

Why does it say 4%? I have read that ALL dongle/dual-slot Pokémon are 8% chance? Are Lotad and Lombre special? Or are they ''all just not'' 8% [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 01:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:Two Pokémon. Hence, the 8% is divided in two. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::Duh, I guess I should've got that (being the math genius I am, lol). [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Erm? ==

So I've recently been migrating Pokemon from Emerald, and while picking berries in the part that's usually rainy, it is thundering and stuff like when in Emerald you are on the route where the Marine Cave is currently. What's going on? [[User:Silvermoonstar3|Silvermoonstar3]] 18:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

:Just like the area around the [[Weather Institute]] has rain that will sometimes turn into a thunderstorm, the same happens to R.212 and R.215. It's like the [[Snowpoint City#Diamond dust|Diamond dust]] of {{tt|rain|meaning, it won't happen very often}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::I added that fact to the Trivia section, mentioning that the two routes have similar weather patterns. --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 01:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Optional ==

While I was playing ''Diamond'' earlier, I realized that Route 212's basically ''completely optional''. There's nothing to gain (aside from training and items) from traversing the route. Shouldn't it be mentioned that it's basically optional, unlike almost every other route in the games? [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 03:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Full Heal and Max Repel ==

South the Honey Tree is a Full Heal, west the Honey Tree is a Max Repel, but I don´t see them in this article. But can anybody verify if this is only in the Platinum version or in both versions. Since I only have Platinum.

Yeah, I'm looking for the Dawn Stone :). But instead found these 2. [[User:KrakenNLD|KrakenNLD]] 13:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

i noticed the trivia note: 'This is the longest route in Sinnoh.', this isn't true, the longest route is seabreak path, shouldn't this be changed to 'This is the longest route in Sinnoh without the help of an event' or something... {{unsigned|GoldHuksy}}
:I guess Seabreak Path is not considered a route. Also, remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::Seabreak Path isn't considered a route because it doesn't have ''route'' in it's name. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Completely unrelated quiestion (almost) ==

it is about routes:
where do these route images come from?
are they scans from a magazine/strategy guide? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ben7229}} ([[User talk:Ben7229|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ben7229|contribs]]) ''
:On this page, yes. Other pages have maps ripped directly from the game, or amalgamated from screenshots by users. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there anywhere i can get them, or are they mostly scanned straight off page? {{unsigned|Ben7229}}

== Protein in DP perhaps changed to Iron in Platinum? ==

The table on this page states that there is a Protein on this route that requires surf to obtain. In my Platinum game I found an Iron at this location instead. Can anyone else confirm this? --[[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 23:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== No Rain? ==

Well, I don't know if it is a glitch, but I've never messed with my game. On Diamond, Route 212 gets dark but doesn't rain. In battles, it doesn't rain either. It normally rains, though, just not today. - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:04 PM EST 1 May 2010
:Which side? Because the lower part of the "L" by Pastoria always rains, no matter what. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, another person also said this was happening. Maybe you should check it out. Do you have Diamond? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:09 PM EST 1 May 2010

And I just found out that the person that said that said it as on 1 May 2008!!! Check your Diamond, if you have one. - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:14 PM EST 1 May 2010

Is there something special on May 1st? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:17 PM EST 1 May 2010
:Platinum still has rain, but Pearl doesn't. Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Should I put it in the trivia section then? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:44 PM EST 1 May 2010
:I just added it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

That's funny. I was actually going to mention this here yesterday. However... I was playing Platinum. And it happened two days ago. I wonder what the cause is. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 00:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well, okay, I'll try to be specific here. At the time I believe it was either late April 29th or really early April 30th. So either it's not date theory, it shifted around a bit when making Platinum, or it's not time-based. I don't know what the case is, so... we'll see as it comes, I guess. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 00:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

For those trying to replicate this, it needs to be a *natural* day (can't just set your clock to May 1). You can trick it by setting it to April 30 23:59 (any year, I used 2017), then waiting 24 hours + 1 minute. As with resetting for swarms, I made sure to start the game immediately, wait for the day to change and then saved. Interestingly, there's also diamond dust in Snowpoint on this day! [[User:Asottile|Asottile]] ([[User talk:Asottile|talk]]) 20:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== heavy rain and clear sky ==

i cant remember which day this route has no rain.It was just normal blue sky.I also met a day with heavy rain(it has lightning storm which really creep me)but i cant read japanese so i dont know which day it is.I look in dairy it was 6japanword 8japanword.Can someone translate it and is it good enough to add in? [[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 12:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Item Mistake? ==
In the southern items it says "Pearl In the Pokémon Mansion front yard (hidden)", but isn't the Pokémon Mansion in the northern part? --[[User:Bonabopn|Bonabopn]] 12:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

:I agree. This mistake has to be corrected.
:Also, whoever added the items for platinum did not remove the items that were in the D/P version in the same location (for items in the southern area) so those have to corrected too.
:[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 21:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
::The Pearl listed in the Southern area has been removed.--[[User:The CHOsen One|The CHOsen One]] ([[User talk:The CHOsen One|talk]]) 19:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

== Protein Missing from Pearl Version ==
So, apparently the Protein to the west of the Pokemon Mansion (accessible only with Surf) is completely missing from my retail copy of Pokemon Pearl. Has anyone else experienced something like this, or is now the time to start doubting my sanity? --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 21:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

:I confirm, the protein dont exist (im playing pokemon pearl). I passed almost half hour searching for the protein at west of pokemon mansion, near all 3 ponds and it is totally missing -- <big> .Rawr! </big> ''([[User :.Rawr!|Talk]])'' 10:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Northern Gate ==

The text (and the corresponding text for [[Gate]]) says that the route is blocked until the player defeats Maylene. On Pearl, the only one I own, I can access Route 212 via the Northern Gate without having battling Maylene, all I need to do is visit Solaceon Town. During my playthroughs, I tend to prefer to go to the Great Marsh, as that usually involves a Pokémon I would like to catch, so I do know of this method. However, although the Route is unlocked upon visiting Solaceon Town, it is possible that a different event unlocks this gate - perhaps receiving HM04 in the Lost Tower, or just venturing out into Route 209 after meeting Fantina. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 15:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

In addition, the note that it is is unblocked only after you beat the [[Veilstone Gym]] is (at least partially) false in platinum. All I had to do was go all the way around to the south entrance of the gate on [[Route 212]]. So, to get in from the north, is it that you need to actually beat the gym to go in from the north, if you don't go up through the southern gate entrance first? I double-checked and verified that going in [[Solaceon Town]] didn't remove the reporters in platinum, like it sounds like it does in Diamond & Pearl. I might test to verify all the triggers on my second run through the game. [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

== Socialite Reina DP ==

This battle also has stronger Pokémon when using the Vs Seeker. One of the intermediate leveled battles involves a level 40 Roselia as seen in the game. [[User:The CHOsen One|The CHOsen One]] ([[User talk:The CHOsen One|talk]]) 07:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

== Pókemon Ranger Taylor ==

Pókemon Ranger Taylor can be rebattled a 3rd time, he uses a lvl 60 Carnivine, a lvl 62 Luxray and a lvl 58 Dewgong. He gives $3480 {{unsigned|Mrsw}}

== Reporters ==

I can absolutely confirm that the trigger for them to move in DP is stepping foot in Solaceon Town (I've done this multiple times myself). For Platinum, I'm less certain. I know it's definitely not the same as DP, but I'm not sure exactly what it is. I think it's stepping foot in Pastoria.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 18:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Saw the page for 212 and the walktrough were both misleading on the trigger for the reporters on platinum, I've just tested it, pretty sure the trigger for them is just arriving in Pastoria via route 213 like Goukazaru said, I will edit this in ok? [[User:AntiSora|AntiSora]] ([[User talk:AntiSora|talk]]) 01:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

== Bugged tile on North 212 ==

While chaining for Roselia on the northern part of the route (on the very south end of the section), I sometimes end up near the northwestern corner of the grass (but never on the corner or edge).
When I get an encounter there, repeatedly I have seen the chain abruptly end, despite encountering the correct pokemon and being surrounded by 8 grass tiles.

The only conclusion I can draw is that at least one tile in the corner is bugged and unable to generate a shaking grass patch. Can someone investigate the map data?

[[User:MegaNerd14|MegaNerd14]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd14|talk]])

Talk:Sinnoh Route 212

2021-06-23T04:36:53Z

MegaNerd14: /* Bugged tile on North 212 */ new section

Ehm, zoday it is not raining on Route 212 (Pastoria-Part) O_o It is dark, but without rain

== Lotad and Lombre Appearence Rate ==

Why does it say 4%? I have read that ALL dongle/dual-slot Pokémon are 8% chance? Are Lotad and Lombre special? Or are they ''all just not'' 8% [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 01:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:Two Pokémon. Hence, the 8% is divided in two. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::Duh, I guess I should've got that (being the math genius I am, lol). [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Erm? ==

So I've recently been migrating Pokemon from Emerald, and while picking berries in the part that's usually rainy, it is thundering and stuff like when in Emerald you are on the route where the Marine Cave is currently. What's going on? [[User:Silvermoonstar3|Silvermoonstar3]] 18:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

:Just like the area around the [[Weather Institute]] has rain that will sometimes turn into a thunderstorm, the same happens to R.212 and R.215. It's like the [[Snowpoint City#Diamond dust|Diamond dust]] of {{tt|rain|meaning, it won't happen very often}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::I added that fact to the Trivia section, mentioning that the two routes have similar weather patterns. --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 01:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Optional ==

While I was playing ''Diamond'' earlier, I realized that Route 212's basically ''completely optional''. There's nothing to gain (aside from training and items) from traversing the route. Shouldn't it be mentioned that it's basically optional, unlike almost every other route in the games? [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 03:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Full Heal and Max Repel ==

South the Honey Tree is a Full Heal, west the Honey Tree is a Max Repel, but I don´t see them in this article. But can anybody verify if this is only in the Platinum version or in both versions. Since I only have Platinum.

Yeah, I'm looking for the Dawn Stone :). But instead found these 2. [[User:KrakenNLD|KrakenNLD]] 13:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

i noticed the trivia note: 'This is the longest route in Sinnoh.', this isn't true, the longest route is seabreak path, shouldn't this be changed to 'This is the longest route in Sinnoh without the help of an event' or something... {{unsigned|GoldHuksy}}
:I guess Seabreak Path is not considered a route. Also, remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::Seabreak Path isn't considered a route because it doesn't have ''route'' in it's name. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Completely unrelated quiestion (almost) ==

it is about routes:
where do these route images come from?
are they scans from a magazine/strategy guide? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ben7229}} ([[User talk:Ben7229|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ben7229|contribs]]) ''
:On this page, yes. Other pages have maps ripped directly from the game, or amalgamated from screenshots by users. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there anywhere i can get them, or are they mostly scanned straight off page? {{unsigned|Ben7229}}

== Protein in DP perhaps changed to Iron in Platinum? ==

The table on this page states that there is a Protein on this route that requires surf to obtain. In my Platinum game I found an Iron at this location instead. Can anyone else confirm this? --[[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 23:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== No Rain? ==

Well, I don't know if it is a glitch, but I've never messed with my game. On Diamond, Route 212 gets dark but doesn't rain. In battles, it doesn't rain either. It normally rains, though, just not today. - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:04 PM EST 1 May 2010
:Which side? Because the lower part of the "L" by Pastoria always rains, no matter what. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, another person also said this was happening. Maybe you should check it out. Do you have Diamond? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:09 PM EST 1 May 2010

And I just found out that the person that said that said it as on 1 May 2008!!! Check your Diamond, if you have one. - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:14 PM EST 1 May 2010

Is there something special on May 1st? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:17 PM EST 1 May 2010
:Platinum still has rain, but Pearl doesn't. Adding. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Should I put it in the trivia section then? - Pokemonemerfan1954 7:44 PM EST 1 May 2010
:I just added it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

That's funny. I was actually going to mention this here yesterday. However... I was playing Platinum. And it happened two days ago. I wonder what the cause is. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 00:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well, okay, I'll try to be specific here. At the time I believe it was either late April 29th or really early April 30th. So either it's not date theory, it shifted around a bit when making Platinum, or it's not time-based. I don't know what the case is, so... we'll see as it comes, I guess. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 00:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

For those trying to replicate this, it needs to be a *natural* day (can't just set your clock to May 1). You can trick it by setting it to April 30 23:59 (any year, I used 2017), then waiting 24 hours + 1 minute. As with resetting for swarms, I made sure to start the game immediately, wait for the day to change and then saved. Interestingly, there's also diamond dust in Snowpoint on this day! [[User:Asottile|Asottile]] ([[User talk:Asottile|talk]]) 20:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== heavy rain and clear sky ==

i cant remember which day this route has no rain.It was just normal blue sky.I also met a day with heavy rain(it has lightning storm which really creep me)but i cant read japanese so i dont know which day it is.I look in dairy it was 6japanword 8japanword.Can someone translate it and is it good enough to add in? [[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 12:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Item Mistake? ==
In the southern items it says "Pearl In the Pokémon Mansion front yard (hidden)", but isn't the Pokémon Mansion in the northern part? --[[User:Bonabopn|Bonabopn]] 12:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

:I agree. This mistake has to be corrected.
:Also, whoever added the items for platinum did not remove the items that were in the D/P version in the same location (for items in the southern area) so those have to corrected too.
:[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 21:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
::The Pearl listed in the Southern area has been removed.--[[User:The CHOsen One|The CHOsen One]] ([[User talk:The CHOsen One|talk]]) 19:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

== Protein Missing from Pearl Version ==
So, apparently the Protein to the west of the Pokemon Mansion (accessible only with Surf) is completely missing from my retail copy of Pokemon Pearl. Has anyone else experienced something like this, or is now the time to start doubting my sanity? --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 21:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

:I confirm, the protein dont exist (im playing pokemon pearl). I passed almost half hour searching for the protein at west of pokemon mansion, near all 3 ponds and it is totally missing -- <big> .Rawr! </big> ''([[User :.Rawr!|Talk]])'' 10:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Northern Gate ==

The text (and the corresponding text for [[Gate]]) says that the route is blocked until the player defeats Maylene. On Pearl, the only one I own, I can access Route 212 via the Northern Gate without having battling Maylene, all I need to do is visit Solaceon Town. During my playthroughs, I tend to prefer to go to the Great Marsh, as that usually involves a Pokémon I would like to catch, so I do know of this method. However, although the Route is unlocked upon visiting Solaceon Town, it is possible that a different event unlocks this gate - perhaps receiving HM04 in the Lost Tower, or just venturing out into Route 209 after meeting Fantina. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 15:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

In addition, the note that it is is unblocked only after you beat the [[Veilstone Gym]] is (at least partially) false in platinum. All I had to do was go all the way around to the south entrance of the gate on [[Route 212]]. So, to get in from the north, is it that you need to actually beat the gym to go in from the north, if you don't go up through the southern gate entrance first? I double-checked and verified that going in [[Solaceon Town]] didn't remove the reporters in platinum, like it sounds like it does in Diamond & Pearl. I might test to verify all the triggers on my second run through the game. [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

== Socialite Reina DP ==

This battle also has stronger Pokémon when using the Vs Seeker. One of the intermediate leveled battles involves a level 40 Roselia as seen in the game. [[User:The CHOsen One|The CHOsen One]] ([[User talk:The CHOsen One|talk]]) 07:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

== Pókemon Ranger Taylor ==

Pókemon Ranger Taylor can be rebattled a 3rd time, he uses a lvl 60 Carnivine, a lvl 62 Luxray and a lvl 58 Dewgong. He gives $3480 {{unsigned|Mrsw}}

== Reporters ==

I can absolutely confirm that the trigger for them to move in DP is stepping foot in Solaceon Town (I've done this multiple times myself). For Platinum, I'm less certain. I know it's definitely not the same as DP, but I'm not sure exactly what it is. I think it's stepping foot in Pastoria.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 18:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Saw the page for 212 and the walktrough were both misleading on the trigger for the reporters on platinum, I've just tested it, pretty sure the trigger for them is just arriving in Pastoria via route 213 like Goukazaru said, I will edit this in ok? [[User:AntiSora|AntiSora]] ([[User talk:AntiSora|talk]]) 01:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

== Bugged tile on North 212 ==

While chaining for Roselia on the northern part of the route (on the very south end of the section), I sometimes end up near the northwestern corner of the grass (but never on the corner or edge).
When I get an encounter there, repeatedly I have seen the chain abruptly end, despite encountering the correct pokemon and being surrounded by 8 grass tiles.

The only conclusion I can draw is that at least one tile in the corner is bugged and unable to generate a shaking grass patch. Can someone investigate the map data?

Talk:Great Marsh

2021-05-30T14:49:53Z

MegaNerd14: /* Daily Changing Pokemon observations */

Somebody in the watchtower mentioned that the pokemon that are there seem different today. Is it possible that the pokemon that appear change from day to day?

:According to Coronis, yes: ''the Safari actually works by randomly generating a pokemon from the 'rare' list for each 6 area each day. the same species can appear in more than 1 areas. according to your list, there seem to be 31 holders, and those that appear more than once, like the Sinnoh ones, are less rare, while the post-National dex Kanto/Johto/Hoenn ones, are rarer since they occupy one holder only'' - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone done any researching into how the Bait/Mud catching system works? I haven't figured out anything better than just acting randomly, pretty much. [[User:Opaopa13|Opaopa13]] 18:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

While playing the game myself, i discovered a rare Carnivine which means that the list of pokemon is incomplete. I added it to the list, but i did not know the percentage.
And by the way, throwing bit makes the pokemon less likely to flee but decreases the accuracy of catching it. Throwing mud makes the pokemon more likely to flee, but it increases the accuracy of catching it. [[User:CBhadha|CBhadha]] 21:57, 25 July 2007
:It's in the Changing Pokémon section. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you can get two 'rare' Pokemon on the same day (crogunk and skorupi), and it was my first time at the marsh. Does anybody know anything about this? [[User:Verity_Lies|Verity_Lies]]

There are a few things that i have found wrong with the lists for platinum i have been able to catch a Carnivine as wall as finding a Skorupi at level 27 even though the range says 20-26, i was also able to find Yanma without it being indicated by the binoculars. I think there may be other anomalies but i haven't encountered them yet. [[User:Bonez565|Bonez565]] 08:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:You might not see Yanma in the binoculars. The article is simply saying that it's the only way of knowing ahead of time, ''if'' the binoculars show it. The Yanma would've been there whether you looked or not, but you simply didn't know before going into the Marsh.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
==Carvanha?==
It's possible to catch Carvanha in the Great Marsh with a super rod. How does that fit in? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 15:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
==Magikarp weirdness==
Okay, two things:
1--After tracking down Skorupi with the 'scope, the encounter rate in the specific area (6) seemed significantly less than the 10% offered... maybe less than 5%?
2--Most interesting, maybe spotted already but it wasn't posted here (and I do apologize in advance if it was already) but I had beyond abnormal difficulties trying to catch wild Magikarp (area 6 again) Using the good rod, I failed to catch ANY Magikarp (6 of them, aroundabouts) usually got them to 2/3 rolls in the ball before breaking out... but when I used the old rod, a level -4- Magikarp broke out -immediately- of the Safari Ball, and two level 5s were also failed to be caught despite 3 balls thrown at them, each. Well over a dozen balls wasted on them all :/

Yet I caught a level 30 Gyarados on my first try... *shrug*

If it helps any, this was all done around 1am in the morning, on Diamond.

--[[User:NotJim|NotJim]] 24 December 2007

Umm...Just asking, but: Why are you trying to catch Magikarp in the Great Marsh in the first place? Go to any waterway in the game, whip out the Old/Good Rod, and you can catch a Magikarp the normal way.
:As for how many balls it takes to catch a Pokémon: The number (and, outside the Safari-type areas, type) of balls you need to go through is completely random; I caught a Giratina (health in the Yellow area) with a Great Ball, after going through about 10-30 Ultra Balls, while I ALMOST RAN OUT of balls trying to catch Rotom. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 23:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::I tried using ultra balls on a LV. 2 Pidgey. IT WOULDNT WORK. then I tried a regular Poke Ball and "Pidgey was caught!" I dont get it. Ive tried catching other low level-ers with ultra balls and i have the same frusturation. any ideas? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 23:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Huh, say what now? ==

Why is Carnivine on the list of Pokémon found ''NORMALLY'' in the Great Marsh? I thought it was one of them rares. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It sometimes appears without being a rare set for the day. Being a rare set just increases it's chance. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Bait vs Mud ==

"If you throw food at Pokémon, it 
makes them easier to catch... 
But they're also more likely to 
bolt when they eat. 
If you throw mud at them, they 
also get easier to catch... 
But they also get more likely to 
bolt out of anger. 
It's hard to decide what I should 
be doing." 
-- this is said by a man in the Marsh.

This seems to contradict what is written on this page. Can anyone clear this up for me? 
Thanks [[User:Tomw|Tomw]] 23:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's probably a translation error. It's mentioned at the bottom of the page. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:Note, the text is different in Platinum. He says that bait will make them easier to catch, but more likely to flee, and mud will make them less likely to run (out of anger, he says), but harder to catch. Which is still contradictory to the article. I always thought it was the other way around, but playing in the Great Marsh and trying both out, I believe him. I'm changing it. [[User:Terrane|Terrane]] 16:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Out of DPPt, I have only played the Platinum version. I also confirm to what Tomw says and personally, I found that the boy in the marsh is correct and the part in the article is incorrect. If this is also true for Diamond and Platinum, the article needs to be changed. Otherwise it needs to be mentioned that the system is opposite in Platinum.
Thanks
[[User:Ishu Bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]] 21:20 14 November 2010 (UTC)

: I am also playing Platinum version and have experienced some severe frustration with my usual catching strategy -- for example, after throwing two Muds, a Yanma escaped ''six'' Safari Balls before fleeing -- either the Random Number God is out to deprive me of any Safari catches tonight, or today must be Opposite Day. Or maybe the above theory is correct? So, experimenting with it, I successfully threw ... eighteen Muds at a Bibarel before it fled from battle. Yes, ''EIGHTEEN.'' Random Number God may be fickle, but he can't like me ''that'' much, right? By contrast, when I tried throwing Baits instead of Mud, and most wild Pokemon fled from battle after just two. It ''certainly'' appears to me that Platinum's (if not D/P too) Bait/Mud effects are precisely the opposite of normal for Safari Zones.

: PS: Also by contrast, I threw two Bait at a Yanma and then caught it with just one Ball. That's a huge difference from two Muds + six Balls and ''still'' not catching one. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)''

::PPS: I found two user FAQs on GameFAQs.com corroborating that the Great Marsh's Bait and Mud mechanics (at least in Platinum) appear to be reversed from other Safari Zones. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 16:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)''

== Rarity ==

The percentages for each pokemon to be found can be seen by the output of my Encounters Extraction program. The format is:

Game|Section|Slot|Encounter Type|PokeNatID|MinLevel|<MaxLevel>

Slots are like the following:

Slot 0 - 20%

Slot 1 - 20%

Slot 2 - 10%

Slot 3 - 10%

Slot 4 - 10%

Slot 5 - 10%

Slot 6 - 5%

Slot 7 - 5%

Slot 8 - 4%

Slot 9 - 4%

Slot 10 - 1%

Slot 11 - 1%

Surfing/Fishing

Slot 0 - 60%

Slot 1 - 30%

Slot 2 - 5%

Slot 3 - 4%

Slot 4 - 1%

Sections are as follows where 52 is the Great Mash location.

23,52,"Great Marsh [Area 1]"

24,52,"Great Marsh [Area 2]"

25,52,"Great Marsh [Area 3]"

26,52,"Great Marsh [Area 4]"

27,52,"Great Marsh [Area 5]"

28,52,"Great Marsh [Area 6]"

For slots which say night, day, or something other than grass/surf/rods - These are slot replacements. They replace the pokemon that normally occupies that slot and assumes its rarity.

D|P,23,0,grass,194,24

D|P,23,1,grass,400,25

D|P,23,2,grass,406,24

D|P,23,3,grass,396,26

D|P,23,4,grass,183,25

D|P,23,5,grass,195,25

D|P,23,6,grass,183,26

D|P,23,7,grass,195,26

D|P,23,8,grass,54,26

D|P,23,9,grass,54,24

D|P,23,10,grass,399,26

D|P,23,11,grass,298,24

D|P,23,2,night,163

D|P,23,3,night,164

D|P,23,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,23,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,23,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,23,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,23,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,23,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,23,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,23,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,23,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,23,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,23,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,23,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,23,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,23,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,23,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,23,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,23,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,23,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,23,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,23,0,grass,194,28

Pl,23,1,grass,400,28

Pl,23,2,grass,357,28

Pl,23,3,grass,357,30

Pl,23,4,grass,194,29

Pl,23,5,grass,195,30

Pl,23,6,grass,194,28

Pl,23,7,grass,194,30

Pl,23,8,grass,193,30

Pl,23,9,grass,114,30

Pl,23,10,grass,193,31

Pl,23,11,grass,114,31

Pl,23,2,night,164

Pl,23,3,night,164

Pl,23,6,pokeradar,194

Pl,23,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,23,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,23,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,23,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,23,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,23,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,23,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,23,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,23,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,23,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,23,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,23,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,23,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,23,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,23,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,23,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,23,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,23,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,23,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,23,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,23,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,23,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,24,0,grass,194,24

D|P,24,1,grass,400,25

D|P,24,2,grass,406,24

D|P,24,3,grass,396,26

D|P,24,4,grass,183,25

D|P,24,5,grass,195,25

D|P,24,6,grass,183,26

D|P,24,7,grass,195,26

D|P,24,8,grass,54,26

D|P,24,9,grass,54,24

D|P,24,10,grass,399,26

D|P,24,11,grass,298,24

D|P,24,2,night,163

D|P,24,3,night,164

D|P,24,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,24,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,24,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,24,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,24,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,24,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,24,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,24,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,24,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,24,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,24,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,24,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,24,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,24,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,24,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,24,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,24,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,24,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,24,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,24,0,grass,194,28

Pl,24,1,grass,400,28

Pl,24,2,grass,357,28

Pl,24,3,grass,357,30

Pl,24,4,grass,194,29

Pl,24,5,grass,195,30

Pl,24,6,grass,194,28

Pl,24,7,grass,194,30

Pl,24,8,grass,193,30

Pl,24,9,grass,114,30

Pl,24,10,grass,193,31

Pl,24,11,grass,114,31

Pl,24,2,night,164

Pl,24,3,night,164

Pl,24,6,pokeradar,194

Pl,24,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,24,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,24,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,24,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,24,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,24,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,24,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,24,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,24,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,24,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,24,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,24,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,24,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,24,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,24,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,24,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,24,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,24,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,24,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,24,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,24,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,24,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,25,0,grass,194,22

D|P,25,1,grass,400,23

D|P,25,2,grass,406,22

D|P,25,3,grass,396,24

D|P,25,4,grass,183,23

D|P,25,5,grass,195,23

D|P,25,6,grass,183,24

D|P,25,7,grass,195,24

D|P,25,8,grass,54,24

D|P,25,9,grass,54,22

D|P,25,10,grass,399,24

D|P,25,11,grass,298,22

D|P,25,2,night,163

D|P,25,3,night,163

D|P,25,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,25,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,25,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,25,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,25,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,25,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,25,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,25,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,25,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,25,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,25,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,25,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,25,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,25,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,25,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,25,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,25,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,25,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,25,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,25,0,grass,194,27

Pl,25,1,grass,400,27

Pl,25,2,grass,400,28

Pl,25,3,grass,114,27

Pl,25,4,grass,114,28

Pl,25,5,grass,195,29

Pl,25,6,grass,194,28

Pl,25,7,grass,194,29

Pl,25,8,grass,193,29

Pl,25,9,grass,114,29

Pl,25,10,grass,193,30

Pl,25,11,grass,114,30

Pl,25,2,night,164

Pl,25,3,night,163

Pl,25,6,pokeradar,114

Pl,25,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,25,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,25,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,25,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,25,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,25,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,25,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,25,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,25,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,25,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,25,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,25,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,25,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,25,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,25,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,25,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,25,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,25,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,25,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,25,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,25,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,25,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,26,0,grass,194,22

D|P,26,1,grass,400,23

D|P,26,2,grass,406,22

D|P,26,3,grass,396,24

D|P,26,4,grass,183,23

D|P,26,5,grass,195,23

D|P,26,6,grass,183,24

D|P,26,7,grass,195,24

D|P,26,8,grass,54,24

D|P,26,9,grass,54,22

D|P,26,10,grass,399,24

D|P,26,11,grass,298,22

D|P,26,2,night,163

D|P,26,3,night,163

D|P,26,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,26,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,26,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,26,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,26,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,26,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,26,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,26,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,26,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,26,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,26,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,26,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,26,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,26,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,26,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,26,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,26,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,26,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,26,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,26,0,grass,194,27

Pl,26,1,grass,400,27

Pl,26,2,grass,400,28

Pl,26,3,grass,114,27

Pl,26,4,grass,114,28

Pl,26,5,grass,195,29

Pl,26,6,grass,194,28

Pl,26,7,grass,194,29

Pl,26,8,grass,193,29

Pl,26,9,grass,114,29

Pl,26,10,grass,193,30

Pl,26,11,grass,114,30

Pl,26,2,night,164

Pl,26,3,night,163

Pl,26,6,pokeradar,114

Pl,26,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,26,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,26,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,26,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,26,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,26,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,26,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,26,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,26,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,26,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,26,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,26,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,26,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,26,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,26,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,26,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,26,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,26,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,26,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,26,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,26,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,26,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,27,0,grass,194,20

D|P,27,1,grass,400,21

D|P,27,2,grass,406,20

D|P,27,3,grass,396,22

D|P,27,4,grass,183,21

D|P,27,5,grass,195,21

D|P,27,6,grass,183,22

D|P,27,7,grass,195,22

D|P,27,8,grass,399,22

D|P,27,9,grass,298,20

D|P,27,10,grass,399,22

D|P,27,11,grass,298,20

D|P,27,2,night,163

D|P,27,3,night,163

D|P,27,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,27,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,0,grass,194,26

Pl,27,1,grass,400,26

Pl,27,2,grass,400,27

Pl,27,3,grass,193,26

Pl,27,4,grass,193,27

Pl,27,5,grass,195,28

Pl,27,6,grass,194,27

Pl,27,7,grass,194,28

Pl,27,8,grass,193,28

Pl,27,9,grass,114,28

Pl,27,10,grass,193,29

Pl,27,11,grass,114,29

Pl,27,2,night,163

Pl,27,3,night,163

Pl,27,6,pokeradar,193

Pl,27,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,27,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,27,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,27,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,27,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,27,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,27,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,27,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,27,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,27,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,27,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,27,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,27,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,27,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,27,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,27,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,27,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,27,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,27,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,27,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,28,0,grass,194,20

D|P,28,1,grass,400,21

D|P,28,2,grass,406,20

D|P,28,3,grass,396,22

D|P,28,4,grass,183,21

D|P,28,5,grass,195,21

D|P,28,6,grass,183,22

D|P,28,7,grass,195,22

D|P,28,8,grass,54,22

D|P,28,9,grass,54,20

D|P,28,10,grass,399,22

D|P,28,11,grass,298,20

D|P,28,2,night,163

D|P,28,3,night,163

D|P,28,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,28,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,28,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,28,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,28,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,28,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,28,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,28,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,28,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,28,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,28,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,28,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,28,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,28,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,28,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,28,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,28,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,28,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,28,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,28,0,grass,194,26

Pl,28,1,grass,400,26

Pl,28,2,grass,400,27

Pl,28,3,grass,193,26

Pl,28,4,grass,193,27

Pl,28,5,grass,195,28

Pl,28,6,grass,194,27

Pl,28,7,grass,194,28

Pl,28,8,grass,193,28

Pl,28,9,grass,114,28

Pl,28,10,grass,193,29

Pl,28,11,grass,114,29

Pl,28,2,night,163

Pl,28,3,night,163

Pl,28,6,pokeradar,193

Pl,28,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,28,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,28,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,28,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,28,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,28,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,28,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,28,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,28,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,28,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,28,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,28,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,28,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,28,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,28,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,28,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,28,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,28,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,28,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,28,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,28,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,28,4,super-rod,318,40,55

You can tell from this data that there are descrete levels and rarities which change between the different areas.
This mistake has been made throughout all of bulbapedia's location project.
I will get the daily great marsh zone pokemon rarities later.
[[User:Sabresite|Sabresite]] 03:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Can you put that in the chart format which we have? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes when I get time, I will do this. I posted the long spam so that someone who has the time, can do it for me. If a pokemon appears multiple times with the same level, simply add the percentages for each slot and that is the total rarity. Keep in mind that rarity changes from night to day, or with the dongles present. [[User:Sabresite|Sabresite]] 03:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Platinum ==

Err, should the article mention that the place was redesigned in Platinum? The rough layout is the same (the railway tracks and platforms are still there, and it's still the same size and shape), but a lot of little details have been changed. The mud also looks a lot different (there are light and dark patches indicating where you can walk without falling) and it actually has unique grass-in-mud graphics too. All in all it's substantially nicer. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 12:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

==Drapion!==

I caught a Drapion in my Platinum copy, and it doesn't say so in the article!! :P [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 00:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Toxicroak! ==

I caught a Toxicroak in my Platinum version just as YukitoOoO caught a Drapion in their Platinum version. --[[User:Kamikami|Kamikami]] 00:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Carvanha ==

I keep finding low lvl (16-20) Carvanha in the safarizone. im sing a super rod, yet it says on the list they 30+.i havent found 1 over 20. shold this be mentioned?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 21:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Merge the platinum pre-national list? ==

Why is the set of three additional Pokémon available in platinum before the national Pokédex given it's own list? The availability marks should be enough. [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 10:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:To signify the difference? Because someone was lazy when Pt came out? Change it if you want - it's a wiki, after all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shards in Platinum ==

Um, the Ace Trainer (or guy with green hair) doesn't just give you a green shard (he just gave me a blue shard today). He gives you a random shard each day, think someone should correct that. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 03:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Item list is lousy. ==

Someone needs to redo the list of items and where they are located for those who play platinum. I tried to use it, and almost nothing was where it said it would be. Some I couldn't find at all. Will someone please fix this. I would, but I can't remember where I found items and what they were. All I remember is that the Rare candy was the only item that was where the list said it would be. Someone also needs to change the map to one that shows the layout of the marsh in Platinum.--[[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 22:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Funny that you said that because that rare candy is not in Platinum as far as I can tell. I saw multiple rare candy guides of all 30 in Platinum and nobody even visited the Great Marsh in their videos. I don't think it is there. 05:17, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

==Quick Tram==
Should an area be added for the Quick Tram?[[User:152105|152105]] ([[User talk:152105|talk]]) 20:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Variable Pokémon reloadable? ==

I am attempting to complete my Pokédex, and was wondering whether you can manipulate the Pokémon that appear like you can with the Trophy Garden, or just have to wait a day like with Swarms. Also, either way, could someone add it to the page? (I don't see it there) Bookwyrm1357 06:55, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if this will work, but you may get different Pokemon if you set your DS's clock a day forward if you find the current Pokemon in the marsh are not what you want. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 19:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::The way daily events often work, you could probably save during one day, and, until you actually save again when it's a new day, you can load and reset your game as often as you need to until the right Pokemon is appearing. You could try that. If you mess with the clock, I think it makes you wait a day anyway until you can do time-based events again. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

== Bait & Mud effects - an experiment ==

There is definitely something wrong regarding the effects of bait and mud, at least in Pearl/Diamond. Empirically, I have been surprised to see my catch rate go down trying to apply what was written here (bait makes them stay, mud makes them easier to catch). It's also the exact opposite of what a boy NPC in the Marsh says.

Catch rate is hard to test since you would have to throw a set number of mudballs/baits to test it reliably. The more you want, the more relevant the results will be, but the harder it'll be to get there (because the pokémon is likely to flee before that most of the time). However, fleeing rate is easier to test, so that's what I've done.

Pearl European cartridge. I've made two trips to the Great Marsh using alternately baits and mud on every pokémon encounter. I've counted how many of each I could throw before the pokémon flees. One is supposed to make it harder after each throw while the other should make it more increasingly more likely.

Results here : [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19K3QQFYOT0Npm_YVaYKQzQSWHhhWZ9cGJ-Atpz6ePDk/edit?usp=sharing]

Not surprisingly, short encounters are present in both case, because the first few throws have not changed the flee rate enough to make a huge difference. However, every long string (more than 5 throws) happens ''only'' with mud. Yes, this is really 42 mudballs for a Marill and more than 50 for a Bibarel (at this point I just stopped, as it was clear the probability was quite low).

Escape rate is apparently 60 for Bibarel, so without any modifier the probability to not flee is (255-60)/255 (about 76%). If I'm not mistaken (new to stat stages), and if mud increase that value by one stage each turn until it's at +6, it means the probability to get that 50 times in a row is :

(255-60)/255 * (255-90)/255 * (255-120)/255 * (255-150)/255 * (255-180)/255 * (255-210)/255 * ((255-240)/255)^44 = 4.058091e-57

which is less likely than winning 7 times the great prize at the national lottery in my country.

If mud decreases that value, we get :

(255-60)/255 * (255-39)/255 * (255-30)/255 * (255-24)/255 * (255-19)/255 * (255-17)/255 * ((255-15)/255)^44 = 0.03104970184

3%. Got "lucky" I guess, but reasonable, this is after 94 tries after all.

So yeah, after this I am pretty sure mud make them less likely to flee.
--[[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 15:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

== Escape rates ==

Is there something on Bulbapedia that lists the escape rate of every Pokemon in the Great Marsh? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

== Daily Changing Pokemon observations ==

While trying to catch every pokemon in the great marsh, I have made a couple observations.

1: The daily changing pokemon will not appear until you check the binoculars and see it.

2: The daily changing pokemon will appear in the most recent area they were spotted in.

For example, if you check the binoculars and see Paras in area 3, Paras will start appearing in area 3.
Then if you check again and see Kangaskhan in area 3 and Paras in area 1, Kangaskhan will start appearing in area 3 and ''Paras will move from area 3 to area 1.''

This also means that two daily changing pokemon can appear in one area (if you see a second daily pokemon in the area, and the first one hasn't been spotted elsewhere). I have seen both Paras and Gulpin appear in area 6 in this manner.

Can anyone confirm these observations?

{{unsigned|MegaNerd14}} 17:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
:I did not use the binoculars in DP and found Shroomish regardless. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

::I am playing Platinum if that's relevant. I would test it on my Diamond copy, but i don't have a file on it and given how slow the game plays it would take me about a week to reach pastoria. Observation 1 may just be me going insane. [[User:MegaNerd14|MegaNerd14]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd14|talk]]) 14:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Great Marsh

2021-05-30T14:44:24Z

MegaNerd14: /* Daily Changing Pokemon observations */

Somebody in the watchtower mentioned that the pokemon that are there seem different today. Is it possible that the pokemon that appear change from day to day?

:According to Coronis, yes: ''the Safari actually works by randomly generating a pokemon from the 'rare' list for each 6 area each day. the same species can appear in more than 1 areas. according to your list, there seem to be 31 holders, and those that appear more than once, like the Sinnoh ones, are less rare, while the post-National dex Kanto/Johto/Hoenn ones, are rarer since they occupy one holder only'' - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone done any researching into how the Bait/Mud catching system works? I haven't figured out anything better than just acting randomly, pretty much. [[User:Opaopa13|Opaopa13]] 18:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

While playing the game myself, i discovered a rare Carnivine which means that the list of pokemon is incomplete. I added it to the list, but i did not know the percentage.
And by the way, throwing bit makes the pokemon less likely to flee but decreases the accuracy of catching it. Throwing mud makes the pokemon more likely to flee, but it increases the accuracy of catching it. [[User:CBhadha|CBhadha]] 21:57, 25 July 2007
:It's in the Changing Pokémon section. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you can get two 'rare' Pokemon on the same day (crogunk and skorupi), and it was my first time at the marsh. Does anybody know anything about this? [[User:Verity_Lies|Verity_Lies]]

There are a few things that i have found wrong with the lists for platinum i have been able to catch a Carnivine as wall as finding a Skorupi at level 27 even though the range says 20-26, i was also able to find Yanma without it being indicated by the binoculars. I think there may be other anomalies but i haven't encountered them yet. [[User:Bonez565|Bonez565]] 08:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:You might not see Yanma in the binoculars. The article is simply saying that it's the only way of knowing ahead of time, ''if'' the binoculars show it. The Yanma would've been there whether you looked or not, but you simply didn't know before going into the Marsh.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
==Carvanha?==
It's possible to catch Carvanha in the Great Marsh with a super rod. How does that fit in? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 15:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
==Magikarp weirdness==
Okay, two things:
1--After tracking down Skorupi with the 'scope, the encounter rate in the specific area (6) seemed significantly less than the 10% offered... maybe less than 5%?
2--Most interesting, maybe spotted already but it wasn't posted here (and I do apologize in advance if it was already) but I had beyond abnormal difficulties trying to catch wild Magikarp (area 6 again) Using the good rod, I failed to catch ANY Magikarp (6 of them, aroundabouts) usually got them to 2/3 rolls in the ball before breaking out... but when I used the old rod, a level -4- Magikarp broke out -immediately- of the Safari Ball, and two level 5s were also failed to be caught despite 3 balls thrown at them, each. Well over a dozen balls wasted on them all :/

Yet I caught a level 30 Gyarados on my first try... *shrug*

If it helps any, this was all done around 1am in the morning, on Diamond.

--[[User:NotJim|NotJim]] 24 December 2007

Umm...Just asking, but: Why are you trying to catch Magikarp in the Great Marsh in the first place? Go to any waterway in the game, whip out the Old/Good Rod, and you can catch a Magikarp the normal way.
:As for how many balls it takes to catch a Pokémon: The number (and, outside the Safari-type areas, type) of balls you need to go through is completely random; I caught a Giratina (health in the Yellow area) with a Great Ball, after going through about 10-30 Ultra Balls, while I ALMOST RAN OUT of balls trying to catch Rotom. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 23:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::I tried using ultra balls on a LV. 2 Pidgey. IT WOULDNT WORK. then I tried a regular Poke Ball and "Pidgey was caught!" I dont get it. Ive tried catching other low level-ers with ultra balls and i have the same frusturation. any ideas? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 23:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Huh, say what now? ==

Why is Carnivine on the list of Pokémon found ''NORMALLY'' in the Great Marsh? I thought it was one of them rares. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It sometimes appears without being a rare set for the day. Being a rare set just increases it's chance. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Bait vs Mud ==

"If you throw food at Pokémon, it 
makes them easier to catch... 
But they're also more likely to 
bolt when they eat. 
If you throw mud at them, they 
also get easier to catch... 
But they also get more likely to 
bolt out of anger. 
It's hard to decide what I should 
be doing." 
-- this is said by a man in the Marsh.

This seems to contradict what is written on this page. Can anyone clear this up for me? 
Thanks [[User:Tomw|Tomw]] 23:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's probably a translation error. It's mentioned at the bottom of the page. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:Note, the text is different in Platinum. He says that bait will make them easier to catch, but more likely to flee, and mud will make them less likely to run (out of anger, he says), but harder to catch. Which is still contradictory to the article. I always thought it was the other way around, but playing in the Great Marsh and trying both out, I believe him. I'm changing it. [[User:Terrane|Terrane]] 16:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Out of DPPt, I have only played the Platinum version. I also confirm to what Tomw says and personally, I found that the boy in the marsh is correct and the part in the article is incorrect. If this is also true for Diamond and Platinum, the article needs to be changed. Otherwise it needs to be mentioned that the system is opposite in Platinum.
Thanks
[[User:Ishu Bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]] 21:20 14 November 2010 (UTC)

: I am also playing Platinum version and have experienced some severe frustration with my usual catching strategy -- for example, after throwing two Muds, a Yanma escaped ''six'' Safari Balls before fleeing -- either the Random Number God is out to deprive me of any Safari catches tonight, or today must be Opposite Day. Or maybe the above theory is correct? So, experimenting with it, I successfully threw ... eighteen Muds at a Bibarel before it fled from battle. Yes, ''EIGHTEEN.'' Random Number God may be fickle, but he can't like me ''that'' much, right? By contrast, when I tried throwing Baits instead of Mud, and most wild Pokemon fled from battle after just two. It ''certainly'' appears to me that Platinum's (if not D/P too) Bait/Mud effects are precisely the opposite of normal for Safari Zones.

: PS: Also by contrast, I threw two Bait at a Yanma and then caught it with just one Ball. That's a huge difference from two Muds + six Balls and ''still'' not catching one. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)''

::PPS: I found two user FAQs on GameFAQs.com corroborating that the Great Marsh's Bait and Mud mechanics (at least in Platinum) appear to be reversed from other Safari Zones. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 16:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)''

== Rarity ==

The percentages for each pokemon to be found can be seen by the output of my Encounters Extraction program. The format is:

Game|Section|Slot|Encounter Type|PokeNatID|MinLevel|<MaxLevel>

Slots are like the following:

Slot 0 - 20%

Slot 1 - 20%

Slot 2 - 10%

Slot 3 - 10%

Slot 4 - 10%

Slot 5 - 10%

Slot 6 - 5%

Slot 7 - 5%

Slot 8 - 4%

Slot 9 - 4%

Slot 10 - 1%

Slot 11 - 1%

Surfing/Fishing

Slot 0 - 60%

Slot 1 - 30%

Slot 2 - 5%

Slot 3 - 4%

Slot 4 - 1%

Sections are as follows where 52 is the Great Mash location.

23,52,"Great Marsh [Area 1]"

24,52,"Great Marsh [Area 2]"

25,52,"Great Marsh [Area 3]"

26,52,"Great Marsh [Area 4]"

27,52,"Great Marsh [Area 5]"

28,52,"Great Marsh [Area 6]"

For slots which say night, day, or something other than grass/surf/rods - These are slot replacements. They replace the pokemon that normally occupies that slot and assumes its rarity.

D|P,23,0,grass,194,24

D|P,23,1,grass,400,25

D|P,23,2,grass,406,24

D|P,23,3,grass,396,26

D|P,23,4,grass,183,25

D|P,23,5,grass,195,25

D|P,23,6,grass,183,26

D|P,23,7,grass,195,26

D|P,23,8,grass,54,26

D|P,23,9,grass,54,24

D|P,23,10,grass,399,26

D|P,23,11,grass,298,24

D|P,23,2,night,163

D|P,23,3,night,164

D|P,23,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,23,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,23,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,23,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,23,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,23,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,23,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,23,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,23,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,23,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,23,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,23,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,23,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,23,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,23,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,23,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,23,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,23,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,23,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,23,0,grass,194,28

Pl,23,1,grass,400,28

Pl,23,2,grass,357,28

Pl,23,3,grass,357,30

Pl,23,4,grass,194,29

Pl,23,5,grass,195,30

Pl,23,6,grass,194,28

Pl,23,7,grass,194,30

Pl,23,8,grass,193,30

Pl,23,9,grass,114,30

Pl,23,10,grass,193,31

Pl,23,11,grass,114,31

Pl,23,2,night,164

Pl,23,3,night,164

Pl,23,6,pokeradar,194

Pl,23,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,23,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,23,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,23,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,23,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,23,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,23,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,23,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,23,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,23,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,23,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,23,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,23,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,23,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,23,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,23,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,23,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,23,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,23,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,23,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,23,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,23,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,24,0,grass,194,24

D|P,24,1,grass,400,25

D|P,24,2,grass,406,24

D|P,24,3,grass,396,26

D|P,24,4,grass,183,25

D|P,24,5,grass,195,25

D|P,24,6,grass,183,26

D|P,24,7,grass,195,26

D|P,24,8,grass,54,26

D|P,24,9,grass,54,24

D|P,24,10,grass,399,26

D|P,24,11,grass,298,24

D|P,24,2,night,163

D|P,24,3,night,164

D|P,24,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,24,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,24,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,24,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,24,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,24,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,24,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,24,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,24,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,24,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,24,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,24,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,24,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,24,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,24,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,24,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,24,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,24,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,24,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,24,0,grass,194,28

Pl,24,1,grass,400,28

Pl,24,2,grass,357,28

Pl,24,3,grass,357,30

Pl,24,4,grass,194,29

Pl,24,5,grass,195,30

Pl,24,6,grass,194,28

Pl,24,7,grass,194,30

Pl,24,8,grass,193,30

Pl,24,9,grass,114,30

Pl,24,10,grass,193,31

Pl,24,11,grass,114,31

Pl,24,2,night,164

Pl,24,3,night,164

Pl,24,6,pokeradar,194

Pl,24,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,24,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,24,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,24,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,24,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,24,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,24,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,24,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,24,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,24,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,24,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,24,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,24,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,24,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,24,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,24,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,24,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,24,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,24,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,24,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,24,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,24,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,25,0,grass,194,22

D|P,25,1,grass,400,23

D|P,25,2,grass,406,22

D|P,25,3,grass,396,24

D|P,25,4,grass,183,23

D|P,25,5,grass,195,23

D|P,25,6,grass,183,24

D|P,25,7,grass,195,24

D|P,25,8,grass,54,24

D|P,25,9,grass,54,22

D|P,25,10,grass,399,24

D|P,25,11,grass,298,22

D|P,25,2,night,163

D|P,25,3,night,163

D|P,25,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,25,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,25,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,25,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,25,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,25,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,25,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,25,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,25,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,25,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,25,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,25,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,25,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,25,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,25,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,25,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,25,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,25,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,25,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,25,0,grass,194,27

Pl,25,1,grass,400,27

Pl,25,2,grass,400,28

Pl,25,3,grass,114,27

Pl,25,4,grass,114,28

Pl,25,5,grass,195,29

Pl,25,6,grass,194,28

Pl,25,7,grass,194,29

Pl,25,8,grass,193,29

Pl,25,9,grass,114,29

Pl,25,10,grass,193,30

Pl,25,11,grass,114,30

Pl,25,2,night,164

Pl,25,3,night,163

Pl,25,6,pokeradar,114

Pl,25,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,25,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,25,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,25,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,25,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,25,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,25,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,25,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,25,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,25,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,25,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,25,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,25,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,25,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,25,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,25,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,25,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,25,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,25,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,25,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,25,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,25,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,26,0,grass,194,22

D|P,26,1,grass,400,23

D|P,26,2,grass,406,22

D|P,26,3,grass,396,24

D|P,26,4,grass,183,23

D|P,26,5,grass,195,23

D|P,26,6,grass,183,24

D|P,26,7,grass,195,24

D|P,26,8,grass,54,24

D|P,26,9,grass,54,22

D|P,26,10,grass,399,24

D|P,26,11,grass,298,22

D|P,26,2,night,163

D|P,26,3,night,163

D|P,26,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,26,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,26,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,26,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,26,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,26,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,26,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,26,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,26,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,26,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,26,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,26,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,26,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,26,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,26,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,26,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,26,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,26,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,26,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,26,0,grass,194,27

Pl,26,1,grass,400,27

Pl,26,2,grass,400,28

Pl,26,3,grass,114,27

Pl,26,4,grass,114,28

Pl,26,5,grass,195,29

Pl,26,6,grass,194,28

Pl,26,7,grass,194,29

Pl,26,8,grass,193,29

Pl,26,9,grass,114,29

Pl,26,10,grass,193,30

Pl,26,11,grass,114,30

Pl,26,2,night,164

Pl,26,3,night,163

Pl,26,6,pokeradar,114

Pl,26,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,26,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,26,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,26,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,26,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,26,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,26,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,26,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,26,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,26,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,26,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,26,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,26,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,26,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,26,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,26,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,26,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,26,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,26,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,26,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,26,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,26,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,27,0,grass,194,20

D|P,27,1,grass,400,21

D|P,27,2,grass,406,20

D|P,27,3,grass,396,22

D|P,27,4,grass,183,21

D|P,27,5,grass,195,21

D|P,27,6,grass,183,22

D|P,27,7,grass,195,22

D|P,27,8,grass,399,22

D|P,27,9,grass,298,20

D|P,27,10,grass,399,22

D|P,27,11,grass,298,20

D|P,27,2,night,163

D|P,27,3,night,163

D|P,27,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,27,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,0,grass,194,26

Pl,27,1,grass,400,26

Pl,27,2,grass,400,27

Pl,27,3,grass,193,26

Pl,27,4,grass,193,27

Pl,27,5,grass,195,28

Pl,27,6,grass,194,27

Pl,27,7,grass,194,28

Pl,27,8,grass,193,28

Pl,27,9,grass,114,28

Pl,27,10,grass,193,29

Pl,27,11,grass,114,29

Pl,27,2,night,163

Pl,27,3,night,163

Pl,27,6,pokeradar,193

Pl,27,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,27,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,27,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,27,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,27,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,27,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,27,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,27,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,27,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,27,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,27,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,27,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,27,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,27,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,27,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,27,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,27,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,27,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,27,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,27,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,28,0,grass,194,20

D|P,28,1,grass,400,21

D|P,28,2,grass,406,20

D|P,28,3,grass,396,22

D|P,28,4,grass,183,21

D|P,28,5,grass,195,21

D|P,28,6,grass,183,22

D|P,28,7,grass,195,22

D|P,28,8,grass,54,22

D|P,28,9,grass,54,20

D|P,28,10,grass,399,22

D|P,28,11,grass,298,20

D|P,28,2,night,163

D|P,28,3,night,163

D|P,28,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,28,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,28,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,28,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,28,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,28,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,28,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,28,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,28,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,28,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,28,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,28,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,28,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,28,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,28,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,28,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,28,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,28,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,28,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,28,0,grass,194,26

Pl,28,1,grass,400,26

Pl,28,2,grass,400,27

Pl,28,3,grass,193,26

Pl,28,4,grass,193,27

Pl,28,5,grass,195,28

Pl,28,6,grass,194,27

Pl,28,7,grass,194,28

Pl,28,8,grass,193,28

Pl,28,9,grass,114,28

Pl,28,10,grass,193,29

Pl,28,11,grass,114,29

Pl,28,2,night,163

Pl,28,3,night,163

Pl,28,6,pokeradar,193

Pl,28,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,28,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,28,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,28,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,28,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,28,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,28,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,28,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,28,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,28,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,28,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,28,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,28,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,28,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,28,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,28,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,28,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,28,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,28,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,28,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,28,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,28,4,super-rod,318,40,55

You can tell from this data that there are descrete levels and rarities which change between the different areas.
This mistake has been made throughout all of bulbapedia's location project.
I will get the daily great marsh zone pokemon rarities later.
[[User:Sabresite|Sabresite]] 03:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Can you put that in the chart format which we have? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes when I get time, I will do this. I posted the long spam so that someone who has the time, can do it for me. If a pokemon appears multiple times with the same level, simply add the percentages for each slot and that is the total rarity. Keep in mind that rarity changes from night to day, or with the dongles present. [[User:Sabresite|Sabresite]] 03:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Platinum ==

Err, should the article mention that the place was redesigned in Platinum? The rough layout is the same (the railway tracks and platforms are still there, and it's still the same size and shape), but a lot of little details have been changed. The mud also looks a lot different (there are light and dark patches indicating where you can walk without falling) and it actually has unique grass-in-mud graphics too. All in all it's substantially nicer. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 12:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

==Drapion!==

I caught a Drapion in my Platinum copy, and it doesn't say so in the article!! :P [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 00:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Toxicroak! ==

I caught a Toxicroak in my Platinum version just as YukitoOoO caught a Drapion in their Platinum version. --[[User:Kamikami|Kamikami]] 00:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Carvanha ==

I keep finding low lvl (16-20) Carvanha in the safarizone. im sing a super rod, yet it says on the list they 30+.i havent found 1 over 20. shold this be mentioned?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 21:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Merge the platinum pre-national list? ==

Why is the set of three additional Pokémon available in platinum before the national Pokédex given it's own list? The availability marks should be enough. [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 10:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:To signify the difference? Because someone was lazy when Pt came out? Change it if you want - it's a wiki, after all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shards in Platinum ==

Um, the Ace Trainer (or guy with green hair) doesn't just give you a green shard (he just gave me a blue shard today). He gives you a random shard each day, think someone should correct that. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 03:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Item list is lousy. ==

Someone needs to redo the list of items and where they are located for those who play platinum. I tried to use it, and almost nothing was where it said it would be. Some I couldn't find at all. Will someone please fix this. I would, but I can't remember where I found items and what they were. All I remember is that the Rare candy was the only item that was where the list said it would be. Someone also needs to change the map to one that shows the layout of the marsh in Platinum.--[[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 22:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Funny that you said that because that rare candy is not in Platinum as far as I can tell. I saw multiple rare candy guides of all 30 in Platinum and nobody even visited the Great Marsh in their videos. I don't think it is there. 05:17, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

==Quick Tram==
Should an area be added for the Quick Tram?[[User:152105|152105]] ([[User talk:152105|talk]]) 20:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Variable Pokémon reloadable? ==

I am attempting to complete my Pokédex, and was wondering whether you can manipulate the Pokémon that appear like you can with the Trophy Garden, or just have to wait a day like with Swarms. Also, either way, could someone add it to the page? (I don't see it there) Bookwyrm1357 06:55, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if this will work, but you may get different Pokemon if you set your DS's clock a day forward if you find the current Pokemon in the marsh are not what you want. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 19:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::The way daily events often work, you could probably save during one day, and, until you actually save again when it's a new day, you can load and reset your game as often as you need to until the right Pokemon is appearing. You could try that. If you mess with the clock, I think it makes you wait a day anyway until you can do time-based events again. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

== Bait & Mud effects - an experiment ==

There is definitely something wrong regarding the effects of bait and mud, at least in Pearl/Diamond. Empirically, I have been surprised to see my catch rate go down trying to apply what was written here (bait makes them stay, mud makes them easier to catch). It's also the exact opposite of what a boy NPC in the Marsh says.

Catch rate is hard to test since you would have to throw a set number of mudballs/baits to test it reliably. The more you want, the more relevant the results will be, but the harder it'll be to get there (because the pokémon is likely to flee before that most of the time). However, fleeing rate is easier to test, so that's what I've done.

Pearl European cartridge. I've made two trips to the Great Marsh using alternately baits and mud on every pokémon encounter. I've counted how many of each I could throw before the pokémon flees. One is supposed to make it harder after each throw while the other should make it more increasingly more likely.

Results here : [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19K3QQFYOT0Npm_YVaYKQzQSWHhhWZ9cGJ-Atpz6ePDk/edit?usp=sharing]

Not surprisingly, short encounters are present in both case, because the first few throws have not changed the flee rate enough to make a huge difference. However, every long string (more than 5 throws) happens ''only'' with mud. Yes, this is really 42 mudballs for a Marill and more than 50 for a Bibarel (at this point I just stopped, as it was clear the probability was quite low).

Escape rate is apparently 60 for Bibarel, so without any modifier the probability to not flee is (255-60)/255 (about 76%). If I'm not mistaken (new to stat stages), and if mud increase that value by one stage each turn until it's at +6, it means the probability to get that 50 times in a row is :

(255-60)/255 * (255-90)/255 * (255-120)/255 * (255-150)/255 * (255-180)/255 * (255-210)/255 * ((255-240)/255)^44 = 4.058091e-57

which is less likely than winning 7 times the great prize at the national lottery in my country.

If mud decreases that value, we get :

(255-60)/255 * (255-39)/255 * (255-30)/255 * (255-24)/255 * (255-19)/255 * (255-17)/255 * ((255-15)/255)^44 = 0.03104970184

3%. Got "lucky" I guess, but reasonable, this is after 94 tries after all.

So yeah, after this I am pretty sure mud make them less likely to flee.
--[[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 15:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

== Escape rates ==

Is there something on Bulbapedia that lists the escape rate of every Pokemon in the Great Marsh? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

== Daily Changing Pokemon observations ==

While trying to catch every pokemon in the great marsh, I have made a couple observations.

1: The daily changing pokemon will not appear until you check the binoculars and see it.

2: The daily changing pokemon will appear in the most recent area they were spotted in.

For example, if you check the binoculars and see Paras in area 3, Paras will start appearing in area 3.
Then if you check again and see Kangaskhan in area 3 and Paras in area 1, Kangaskhan will start appearing in area 3 and ''Paras will move from area 3 to area 1.''

This also means that two daily changing pokemon can appear in one area (if you see a second daily pokemon in the area, and the first one hasn't been spotted elsewhere). I have seen both Paras and Gulpin appear in area 6 in this manner.

Can anyone confirm these observations?

{{unsigned|MegaNerd14}} 17:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
:I did not use the binoculars in DP and found Shroomish regardless. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

::I am playing Platinum if that's relevant. I would test it on my Diamond copy, but i don't have a file on it and given how slow the game plays it would take me about a week to reach pastoria. [[User:MegaNerd14|MegaNerd14]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd14|talk]]) 14:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

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