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Mega Stone

2019-06-28T04:17:36Z

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[[File:Mega Stone PO.png|thumb|250px|Charizardite X and Key Stone in Pokémon Origins]]
[[File:Kalos Mega Stone Locations.png|thumb|250px|A map depicting the locations of Mega Stones in Kalos]]

A '''Mega Stone''' (Japanese: '''メガストーン''' ''Mega Stone'') is a type of [[held item]] introduced in [[Pokémon X and Y]] that allows {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]]. According to [[Professor Sycamore]], Mega Stones are the results of [[Evolutionary stone]]s being irradiated by the power of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}} or {{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}}.

==Mechanics==
During a {{pkmn|battle}}, a {{pkmn|Trainer}} can use their [[Key Stone]] (held in the Mega Ring{{sup/6|XY}}, Mega Bracelet{{sup/6|ORAS}}, [[Z-Ring]]{{sup/7|SM}}, or [[Z-Power Ring]]{{sup/7|USUM}} for the player character) to Mega Evolve a Pokémon that holds its corresponding Mega Stone before it attacks. Pokémon only remain Mega Evolved during battles and [[Pokémon Contest|Pokémon Contest Spectaculars]], and will revert to their original state once the battle has ended or if they [[fainting|faint]]. Every Pokémon that can undergo Mega Evolution has a corresponding Mega Stone that is named after it, except for {{p|Rayquaza}}, which instead needs to know the move {{m|Dragon Ascent}} to Mega Evolve. Some Pokémon have multiple different Mega Stones for their species.

Mega Stones cannot be transferred to or from the correct holder during battle: {{m|Thief}} and {{m|Covet}} do not take the Mega Stone, {{m|Knock Off}} does not remove the Mega Stone or cause extra damage, {{m|Trick}} and {{m|Switcheroo}} fail, {{m|Fling}} and {{m|Bestow}} fail, and {{a|Symbiosis}} does not activate. {{m|Embargo}} and {{m|Magic Room}} also cannot prevent the use of Mega Stones to Mega Evolve Pokémon. Mega Stones are not consumed upon use, but only one Pokémon can Mega Evolve per battle.

==Availability==
===Generation VI===
In {{g|X and Y}}, all Mega Stones not directly given or sold to the player can only be found between 8 and 8:59 p.m. after [[Professor Sycamore]] has upgraded the player's Mega Ring to detect them. These Mega Stones do not appear as item balls in the overworld; rather, they appear as sparkles on the ground.

In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, Mega Stones on the ground appear as sparkles, like in Pokémon X and Y. Many Mega Stones that can be found in locations the player can already access will not appear until the player defeats or captures {{p|Groudon|Primal Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre|Primal Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}}. Some can only be obtained by meeting certain requirements, such as clearing all the [[Rank (Contest)|Master Ranks]] in the {{pkmn|Contest|Pokémon Contest Spectaculars}} and then defeating [[Lisia]] in one of the Master Rank Contests in order to receive the Lucarionite from {{ga|Chaz}} or receiving the Garchompite from [[Aarune]] after achieving Platinum Rank in the [[Secret Base|Super-Secret Base]] by collecting 1,000 Flags.

The Mega Stone for {{p|Blaziken}}, the Blazikenite, cannot be found through normal gameplay in Pokémon X and Y. However, it can be obtained via special distributions and trading. The Mega Stone for {{p|Diancie}}, the Diancite, also cannot be obtained through normal gameplay in [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]; instead, the stone can be obtained by having a Diancie in the party and activating an in-game event that results in the player being given a Diancite.

Pokémon holding Mega Stones introduced in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (except Latiasite and Latiosite) cannot be traded to Pokémon X and Y.

===Generation VII===
In {{g|Sun and Moon}}, only Mega Stones for Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number (Sun and Moon)|Alola Pokédex]] and for the fully-evolved [[Kanto]] {{pkmn2|starter}}s are available through normal gameplay. [[Dexio]] gives the player the Alakazite and a Key Stone after defeating him on [[Ancient Poni Path]] after becoming {{pkmn|Champion}}. Most Mega Stones can be purchased at the [[Battle Tree]] for 64 [[Battle Point]]s. {{ga|Red}} will give the player all Mega Stones associated with the starter Pokémon of the Kanto region after being defeated in a Single Challenge at the Battle Tree. The remaining Mega Stones have been distributed as [[event item]]s; by participating in [[Pokémon Global Link]] online competitions or with universal codes provided on the official Pokémon website.

In {{g|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}, all Mega Stones are available for purchase at the Battle Tree except for [[Diancite]], which is given to the player at [[Olivia]]'s {{DL|Konikoni City|jewelry store}} in [[Konikoni City]] for showing a man a {{p|Diancie}}, and the Kanto Starter Mega Stones, which are received from Red or Blue. Dexio also gives the player Alakazite in these games, but he is found at the entrance to [[Poni Meadow]] in [[Poni Plains]].

In [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]], the player receives the the Kanto starter Mega Stones along with a Key Stone from Blue at [[Professor Oak|his grandfather]]'s [[Professor Oak's laboratory|laboratory]] after obtaining seven [[Badge]]s. {{p|Mewtwo}}'s Mega Stones can be obtained from {{ga|Green}} in [[Cerulean Cave]] after defeating her. The remaining Kanto Pokémon Mega Stones can be purchased from a {{tc|Poké Maniac}} at [[Indigo Plateau]] after becoming Champion for {{pdollar}}30,000 each.

====Universal codes for event-exclusive Mega Stones====
These codes were usable in all regions of [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]], but expired at 8:59 {{wp|Japan Standard Time|JST}} on November 1, 2017.
{| style="margin:auto; background: #{{items color dark}}; {{roundy|10px;}} border: 5px solid #{{items color light}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{items color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Code
! style="background:#{{items color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Mega Stones
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''M2DESCENT'''
|{{Bag2|Mewtwonite X}} {{Bag2|Mewtwonite Y}}
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''INTIMIDATE'''
|{{Bag2|Mawilite}} {{Bag2|Beedrillite}} {{Bag2|Audinite}} {{Bag2|Medichamite}}
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''AZUL'''
|{{Bag2|Pidgeotite}} {{Bag2|Steelixite}} {{Bag2|Heracronite}} {{Bag2|Houndoominite}}
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''MATSUBUSA'''
|{{Bag2|Sceptilite}} {{Bag2|Blazikenite}} {{Bag2|Swampertite}} {{Bag2|Cameruptite}} {{Bag2|Banettite}}
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''SABLEVOLANT'''
|{{Bag2|Tyranitarite}} {{Bag2|Abomasite}} {{Bag2|Manectite}} {{Bag2|Aggronite}}
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''POYONG'''
|{{Bag2|Gardevoirite}} {{Bag2|Galladite}} {{Bag2|Lopunnite}} {{Bag2|Diancite}}
|- style="background:#fff"
|'''DRACHE'''
|{{Bag2|Ampharosite}} {{Bag2|Altarianite}} {{Bag2|Latiasite}} {{Bag2|Latiosite}}
|}

==List of Mega Stones==
{{Item
|main=Abomasite
|name=Abomasite
|jp=ユキノオナイト
|jpt=Yukinoonite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Abomasnow}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Abomasnow when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Frost Cavern]] (from {{p|Abomasnow}} after defeating [[Team Flare]])
|locoras={{rt|123|Hoenn}} (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge May Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge May]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fourth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Absolite
|name=Absolite
|jp=アブソルナイト
|jpt=Absolnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Absol}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Absol when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Kiloude City]] (after defeating the player's rival)
|locoras={{safari|Hoenn}}
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Aerodactylite
|name=Aerodactylite
|jp=プテラナイト
|jpt=Pteranite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Aerodactyl}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Aerodactyl when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Aerodactyl}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Aerodactyl when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Aerodactyl to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Ambrette Town]] Fossil Lab (after finding the scientist in [[Glittering Cave]])
|locoras=[[Meteor Falls]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Aggronite
|name=Aggronite
|jp=ボスゴドラナイト
|jpt=Bossgodoranite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Aggron}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Aggron when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Cyllage Gym]]{{sup/6|Y}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Rusturf Tunnel]] (from [[Wanda]]'s boyfriend after clearing the path)
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fourth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Alakazite
|name=Alakazite
|jp=フーディナイト
|jpt=Foodinite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Alakazam}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Alakazam when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Alakazam}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Alakazam when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Alakazam to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Reflection Cave]] (B2F, requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{DL|Slateport City|Slateport Market}} (bottom left corner)
|locsm=[[Ancient Poni Path]] (from [[Dexio]] after becoming {{pkmn|Champion}}), [[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Poni Plains]] (from [[Dexio]] after becoming {{pkmn|Champion}}), [[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Altarianite
|name=Altarianite
|jp=チルタリスナイト
|jpt=Tyltalisnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Altaria}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Altaria when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Altaria hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Altaria hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Altaria hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Lilycove City]] (requires Altaria in party)
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Weakness Cup Mega Stones|Weakness Cup]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Sixth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Ampharosite
|name=Ampharosite
|jp=デンリュウナイト
|jpt=Denryunite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Ampharos}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Ampharos when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Azure Bay]] (from an old man)
|locoras=[[New Mauville]]
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Weakness Cup Mega Stones|Weakness Cup]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Sixth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Audinite
|name=Audinite
|jp=タブンネナイト
|jpt=Tabunnenite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Audino}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Audino when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Audino hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Audino hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Audino hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Battle Resort]] (given by [[Looker]])
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|First Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Banettite
|name=Banettite
|jp=ジュペッタナイト
|jpt=Juppetanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Banette}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Banette when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Chamber of Emptiness]] (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Mt. Pyre]] (right part of summit)
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Third Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Beedrillite
|name=Beedrillite
|jp=スピアナイト
|jpt=Speanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Beedrill}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Beedrill when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Beedrill}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Beedrill when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Beedrill hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Beedrill hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Beedrill hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Beedrill to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Sea Mauville]] (Storage Room)
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge February Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge February]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|First Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Blastoisinite
|name=Blastoisinite
|jp=カメックスナイト
|jpt=Kamexnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Blastoise}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Blastoise when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Blastoise}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Blastoise when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Blastoise to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Squirtle}} is chosen), {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Squirtle}} is not chosen)
|locoras=[[S.S. Tidal]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} or {{ga|Blue}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locpe=[[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] (from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[Badge]]s)
}}
{{Item
|main=Blazikenite
|name=Blazikenite
|jp=バシャーモナイト
|jpt=Bursyamonite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=1,500
|effect=Allows {{p|Blaziken}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Blaziken when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=Held by {{DL|List of Wi-Fi event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|XY Torchic}} ({{pkmn2|event}})
|locoras={{rt|120|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was {{p|Torchic}}), {{rt|114|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was not {{p|Torchic}}, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge April Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge April]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Third Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Cameruptite
|name=Cameruptite
|jp=バクーダナイト
|jpt=Bakuudanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Camerupt}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Camerupt when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Camerupt hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Camerupt hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Camerupt hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Team Magma Hideout]]{{sup/6|OR}}, [[Battle Resort]]{{sup/6|AS}}
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Third Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Charizardite X
|name=Charizardite X
|jp=リザードナイトX
|jpt=Lizardonite X
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Charizard}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard X when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Charizard}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard X when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Charizard to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is chosen){{sup/6|X}}, {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is not chosen){{sup/6|X}} Held by {{DL|List of Wi-Fi event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|CoroCoro Charizard}}{{sup/6|Y}}
|locoras=[[Fiery Path]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} or {{ga|Blue}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locpe=[[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] (from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[Badge]]s)
}}
{{Item
|main=Charizardite Y
|name=Charizardite Y
|jp=リザードナイトY
|jpt=Lizardonite Y
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Charizard}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard Y when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Charizard}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard Y when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Charizard to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is chosen){{sup/6|Y}}, {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is not chosen){{sup/6|Y}} Held by {{DL|List of Wi-Fi event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|CoroCoro Charizard}}{{sup/6|X}}
|locoras=[[Scorched Slab]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} or {{ga|Blue}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locpe=[[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] (from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[Badge]]s)
}}
{{Item
|main=Diancite
|name=Diancite
|jp=ディアンシナイト
|jpt=Diancinite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Diancie}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Diancie when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Diancie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Diancie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Diancie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=Any [[Pokémon Center]] (upon entering after obtaining a [[fateful encounter]] Diancie)
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fifth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Konikoni City]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Galladite
|name=Galladite
|jp=エルレイドナイト
|jpt=Erureidonite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Gallade}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gallade when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gallade hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gallade hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gallade hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Fallarbor Town]] (given by [[Professor Cozmo]])
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#tiny tourney Mega Stones|tiny tourney]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fifth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Garchompite
|name=Garchompite
|jp=ガブリアスナイト
|jpt=Gaburiasnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Garchomp}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Garchomp when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{OBP|Victory Road|Kalos}} (outside, in front of the tower to the left of healing {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} and behind {{tc|Hex Maniac}}; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Fortree City]] (from [[Aarune]] once the player reaches the Platinum rank in the [[Secret Base]] ranking)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Gardevoirite
|name=Gardevoirite
|jp=サーナイトナイト
|jpt=Sirknightnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Gardevoir}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gardevoir when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Café Soleil}} (held by [[Diantha]]'s [[In-game trade|traded]] {{p|Ralts}})
|locoras=[[Verdanturf Town]] (from [[Wanda]], after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#tiny tourney Mega Stones|tiny tourney]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fifth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Gengarite
|name=Gengarite
|jp=ゲンガナイト
|jpt=Ganganite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Gengar}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gengar when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Gengar}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gengar when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Gengar to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Laverre City]] (from a {{tc|Hex Maniac}}; requires having {{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, or {{p|Gengar}} seen in the Pokédex)
|locoras=[[Battle Resort]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Glalitite
|name=Glalitite
|jp=オニゴーリナイト
|jpt=Onigohrinite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Glalie}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Glalie when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Glalie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Glalie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Glalie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Shoal Cave]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Gyaradosite
|name=Gyaradosite
|jp=ギャラドスナイト
|jpt=Gyaradosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Gyarados}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gyarados when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Gyarados}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gyarados when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Gyarados to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Couriway Town]] (near waterfalls; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{rt|123|Hoenn}} (from Chomper)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Heracronite
|name=Heracronite
|jp=ヘラクロスナイト
|jpt=Heracrosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Heracross}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Heracross when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Santalune Forest]]{{sup/6|Y}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{rt|127|Hoenn}} (bottom left corner of the island with {{tc|Black Belt}} Koji)
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Second Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Houndoominite
|name=Houndoominite
|jp=ヘルガナイト
|jpt=Hellganite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Houndoom}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Houndoom when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{rt|16|Kalos}}{{sup/6|Y}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Lavaridge Town]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Second Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Kangaskhanite
|name=Kangaskhanite
|jp=ガルーラナイト
|jpt=Garuranite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Kangaskhan}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Kangaskhan when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Kangaskhan}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Kangaskhan when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Kangaskhan to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Glittering Cave]] (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Pacifidlog Town]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Latiasite
|name=Latiasite
|jp=ラティアスナイト
|jpt=Latiasnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows {{p|Latias}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Latias when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Trade]]
|locoras=Held by {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}}, [[Littleroot Town]] (from {{ho|Mom}} after completing the [[Delta Episode]]){{sup/6|OR}}
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Weakness Cup Mega Stones|Weakness Cup]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Sixth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Latiosite
|name=Latiosite
|jp=ラティオスナイト
|jpt=Latiosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows {{p|Latios}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Latios when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Trade]]
|locoras=Held by {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}}, [[Littleroot Town]] (from {{ho|Mom}} after completing the [[Delta Episode]]){{sup/6|AS}}
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Weakness Cup Mega Stones|Weakness Cup]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Sixth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Lopunnite
|name=Lopunnite
|jp=ミミロップナイト
|jpt=Mimilopnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Lopunny}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Lopunny when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lopunny hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lopunny hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lopunny hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Mauville City]] (Mauville Hills)
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#tiny tourney Mega Stones|tiny tourney]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fifth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Lucarionite
|name=Lucarionite
|jp=ルカリオナイト
|jpt=Lucarionite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Lucario}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Lucario when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Tower of Mastery]] (held by [[Korrina]]'s {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}} given to the player)
|locoras=Win in [[Rank (Contest)|Master Rank]] of all five [[Contest category|categories]], then defeat [[Lisia]] in a [[Pokémon Contest|Pokémon Contest Spectacular]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Manectite
|name=Manectite
|jp=ライボルトナイト
|jpt=Livoltnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Manectric}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Manectric when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{rt|16|Kalos}}{{sup/6|X}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Seaside Cycling Road]] (on the inside of the north entrance, to the right before going on the elevated bike path)
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge May Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge May]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fourth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Mawilite
|name=Mawilite
|jp=クチートナイト
|jpt=Kucheatnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Mawile}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mawile when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Shabboneau Castle]] 2F (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Verdanturf Town]]
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge February Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge February]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|First Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Medichamite
|name=Medichamite
|jp=チャーレムナイト
|jpt=Charemnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Medicham}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Medicham when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Laverre City]] (in front of well; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Mt. Pyre]] (top floor)
|locsm=Event ({{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|First Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Metagrossite
|name=Metagrossite
|jp=メタグロスナイト
|jpt=Metagrossnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Metagross}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Metagross when held during battle.
|descoras=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Metagross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Metagross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Metagross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Ever Grande City|Pokémon League]] (from {{Steven}} after second battle), held by [[Steven's Beldum]] ({{pkmn2|event}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Mewtwonite X
|name=Mewtwonite X
|jp=ミュウツナイトX
|jpt=Mewtwonite X
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Mewtwo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mewtwo X when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Mewtwo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mewtwo X when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Mewtwo to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{OBP|Unknown Dungeon|Kalos}} (after catching {{p|Mewtwo}}){{sup/6|X}}
|locoras=[[Littleroot Town]] (next to Birch's lab, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm= Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Mewtwo Mega Stones|Mewtwo Mega Stones]])
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Cerulean Cave]] (from {{ga|Green}} after defeating her)
}}
{{Item
|main=Mewtwonite Y
|name=Mewtwonite Y
|jp=ミュウツナイトY
|jpt=Mewtwonite Y
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Mewtwo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mewtwo Y when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Mewtwo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mewtwo Y when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Mewtwo to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{OBP|Unknown Dungeon|Kalos}} (after catching {{p|Mewtwo}}){{sup/6|Y}}
|locoras=[[Ever Grande City|Pokémon League]] (outside)
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Mewtwo Mega Stones|Mewtwo Mega Stones]])
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Cerulean Cave]] (from {{ga|Green}} after defeating her)
}}
{{Item
|main=Pidgeotite
|name=Pidgeotite
|jp=ピジョットナイト
|jpt=Pigeotnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Pidgeot}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Pidgeot when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Pidgeot}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Pidgeot when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pidgeot hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pidgeot hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pidgeot hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Pidgeot to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Rustboro City]] (from [[Mr. Stone]] in exchange for the [[Intriguing Stone]])
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Kanto x Alola Regional Rumble Mega Stones|Kanto x Alola Regional Rumble]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Second Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Pinsirite
|name=Pinsirite
|jp=カイロスナイト
|jpt=Kailiosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Pinsir}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Pinsir when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Pinsir}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Pinsir when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Pinsir to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Santalune Forest]]{{sup/6|X}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{rt|124|Hoenn}} (requires {{m|Dive}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Sablenite
|name=Sablenite
|jp=ヤミラミナイト
|jpt=Yamiraminite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Sableye}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Sableye when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Sootopolis City]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Salamencite
|name=Salamencite
|jp=ボーマンダナイト
|jpt=Bohmandanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Salamence}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Salamence when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Salamence hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Salamence hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Meteor Falls]] (from [[Zinnia]]'s grandmother after completing the [[Delta Episode]])
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Sceptilite
|name=Sceptilite
|jp=ジュカインナイト
|jpt=Jukainnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=1,500
|effect=Allows {{p|Sceptile}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Sceptile when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sceptile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sceptile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras={{rt|120|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was {{p|Treecko}}), {{rt|114|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was not {{p|Treecko}}, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge April Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge April]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Third Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Scizorite
|name=Scizorite
|jp=ハッサムナイト
|jpt=Hassamnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Scizor}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Scizor when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Frost Cavern]] (behind {{p|Abomasnow}}; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Petalburg Woods]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Sharpedonite
|name=Sharpedonite
|jp=サメハダナイト
|jpt=Samehadenite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Sharpedo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Sharpedo when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sharpedo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sharpedo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sharpedo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Team Aqua Hideout]]{{sup/6|AS}}, [[Battle Resort]]{{sup/6|OR}}
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Slowbronite
|name=Slowbronite
|jp=ヤドランナイト
|jpt=Yadorannite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=30000{{tt|*|Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!}}
|effect=Allows {{p|Slowbro}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Slowbro when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Slowbro}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Slowbro when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Slowbro hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Slowbro hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Slowbro hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Pidgeot to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Shoal Cave]] (after making a [[Shell Bell]] for the first time)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
|locpe=[[Indigo Plateau]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Steelixite
|name=Steelixite
|jp=ハガネールナイト
|jpt=Haganeilnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Steelix}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Steelix when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Steelix hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Steelix hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Steelix hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Granite Cave]] (B2F)
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#Kanto x Alola Regional Rumble Mega Stones|Kanto x Alola Regional Rumble]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Second Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Swampertite
|name=Swampertite
|jp=ラグラージナイト
|jpt=Laglargenite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=1,500
|effect=Allows {{p|Swampert}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Swampert when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Swampert hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Swampert hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Swampert hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras={{rt|120|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was {{p|Mudkip}}), {{rt|114|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was not {{p|Mudkip}}, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge April Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge April]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Third Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Tyranitarite
|name=Tyranitarite
|jp=バンギラスナイト
|jpt=Bangirasnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Tyranitar}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Tyranitar when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Cyllage Gym]]{{sup/6|X}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Jagged Pass]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=Event ([[List of other event distributions in Generation VII#2017 International Challenge May Mega Stones|2017 International Challenge May]] & {{DL|List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Fourth Mega Stone Gift}})
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|main=Venusaurite
|name=Venusaurite
|jp=フシギバナイト
|jpt=Fushigibanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Venusaur}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Venusaur when held during battle.{{sup/6|XYORAS}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} Allows {{p|Venusaur}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Venusaur when present in the player's [[Bag]].{{sup/7|PE}}
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descusum=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descpe=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. This stone will enable Venusaur to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Bulbasaur}} is chosen), {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Bulbasaur}} is not chosen)
|locoras={{rt|119|Hoenn}} (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locusum=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} or {{ga|Blue}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
|locpe=[[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] (from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[Badge]]s)
}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Siebold Blastoise.png|thumb|250px|[[Siebold]]'s {{p|Blastoise}} wearing its [[Blastoisinite]]]]
===In the main series===
In the {{series|XY}}, Pokémon wear Mega Stones using equipment similar to that which their {{pkmn|Trainer}}s use to hold their [[Key Stone]]s. The equipment disappears while the Pokémon is in its Mega Evolved state. In the {{series|Sun & Moon}}, Mega Stones appear to be merged with the body of their holders and only appear when Mega Evolution is triggered.

====In the {{series|XY}}====
Mega Stones were first mentioned in ''[[XY002|Lumiose City Pursuit!]]'', where [[Professor Sycamore]] told {{Ash}} that a "special stone" is required to trigger Mega Evolution, referring to Mega Stones.

Mega Stones made their physical debut in ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution Special I]]''. The Mega Stones seen were [[Alain]]'s [[Charizardite X]], [[Astrid]]'s [[Absolite]], [[Remo]]'s [[Garchompite]], [[Siebold]]'s [[Blastoisinite]], and a [[Gyaradosite]] found by Alain from a set of ancient ruins. In addition, a [[Lucarionite]] was seen in a painting featuring the first-ever Mega Evolution, which was shown to Alain by Professor Sycamore in a flashback. Astrid's Absolite made a brief reappearance during the opening credits of ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''.

[[Diantha]]'s {{TP|Diantha|Gardevoir}}'s [[Gardevoirite]] debuted in ''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''. The Embrace Pokémon was shown carrying its Mega Stone in a necklace around its neck.

A Lucarionite appeared in ''[[XY031|The Cave of Trials!]]'', where it was found by [[Korrina]] in a cave near [[Geosenge Town]]. After battling a {{p|Blaziken}} guarding the Lucarionite—which was afterward revealed to belong to Korrina's grandfather, [[Gurkinn]]—Korrina obtained the Mega Stone and used it to Mega Evolve her {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}}. The uncut Lucarionite was later set in an armband by [[McGinty]], allowing Lucario to wear the Mega Stone.

Another Lucarionite appeared in ''[[XY032|The Aura Storm!]]'', under the ownership of Gurkinn. Much like Korrina's Lucario, Gurkinn's Lucario also wears its Lucarionite in an armband on its left wrist.

A [[Mawilite]] appeared in ''[[XY034|The Bonds of Mega Evolution!]]'', worn by [[Mabel]]'s {{p|Mawile}} in a piece of jewelry placed at the foot of its head jaws.

A Lucarionite appeared in a story told by Gurkinn in ''[[XY043|Origins of Mega Evolution!]]'', depicting the first known Mega Evolution.

{{Steven}}'s {{Shiny}} {{TP|Steven|Metagross}}'s [[Metagrossite]] appeared in ''[[SS031|Mega Evolution Special II]]'', wearing it as a large bracelet on its right foreleg. An [[Ampharosite]] was also seen in a flashback in the same episode, having been found by [[Lysandre]] before Alain could get his hands on it.

Another Garchompite, belonging to Professor Sycamore and his Garchomp, appeared in ''[[XY068|Garchomp's Mega Bond!]]''. Garchomp wears her Mega Stone as a choker around her neck.

Several different Mega Stones appeared in ''[[SS035|Mega Evolution Special IV]]''. The Mega Stones seen included a [[Venusaurite]] attached to the tree on a {{p|Venusaur}}'s back; an [[Alakazite]] tied onto one of {{p|Alakazam}}'s spoons; and [[Malva]]'s [[Houndoominite]], which is attached to a collar her {{p|Houndoom}} wears around its neck.

An [[Audinite]] appeared in ''[[XY096|A Giga Battle with Mega Results!]]'', where a [[Nurse Joy]] with an {{TP|Nurse Joy|Audino}} had found one. She later used it and Professor Sycamore's Key Stone to Mega Evolve Audino.

An [[Abomasite]] appeared in ''[[XY122|A Real Icebreaker!]]'', worn by [[Wulfric]]'s {{p|Abomasnow}}. The Frost Tree Pokémon wears its Mega Stone on its chest, revealing it only when it is about to Mega Evolve.

A [[Charizardite Y]] appeared in ''[[XY125|A League of His Own!]]'', worn by {{an|Trevor}}'s {{TP|Trevor|Charizard}} in a ring around its tail.

A [[Sceptilite]] appeared in ''[[XY126|Valuable Experience for All!]]'', worn by [[Sawyer]]'s {{TP|Sawyer|Sceptile}} on a bandanna that is tied around its neck.

In ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]'', [[Kimia]]'s Shiny Gardevoir has a Gardevoirite in a necklace around its neck, which looks exactly like the necklace that Diantha's Gardevoir has.

A [[Gyaradosite]] appeared in ''[[XY133|Coming Apart at the Dreams!]]'', worn by [[Lysandre]]'s Shiny {{p|Gyarados}} around its neck in a holder similar to the one Alain's Charizard keeps its Charizardite X in. It is unknown whether this is the same Gyaradosite that Alain found in ''Mega Evolution Special I'', or a different one.

====In the {{series|Sun & Moon}}====
A [[Steelixite]] worn by [[Brock's Steelix]] and a Gyaradosite worn by [[Misty's Gyarados]] appeared in ''[[SM043|When Regions Collide!]]''.

An [[Aggronite]] appeared in ''[[SM089|The Prism Between Light and Darkness!]]'', under the ownership of [[Team Rocket]] Elite Officer [[Gozu]].

====Gallery====
<gallery>
File:Charizardite X anime.png|Charizardite X
File:Absolite anime.png|Absolite
File:Gyaradosite uncut anime.png|Uncut Gyaradosite
File:Blastoisinite anime.png|Blastoisinite
File:Gardevoirite anime.png|Gardevoirite
File:Lucarionite anime.png|Uncut Lucarionite
File:Korrina Lucario Lucarionite.png|Lucarionite
File:Mawilite anime.png|Mawilite
File:Metagrossite anime.png|Metagrossite
File:Ampharosite anime.png|Uncut Ampharosite
File:Garchompite anime.png|Garchompite
File:Venusaurite anime.png|Venusaurite
File:Alakazite anime.png|Alakazite
File:Houndoominite anime.png|Houndoominite
File:Audinite anime.png|Audinite
File:Abomasite anime.png|Abomasite
File:Charizardite Y anime.png|Charizardite Y
File:Sceptilite anime.png|Sceptilite
File:Gyaradosite anime.png|Gyaradosite
File:Steelixite anime.png|Steelixite
File:Aggronite anime.png|Aggronite
</gallery>

===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Mega Stone PO.png|thumb|250px|Charizardite X (left) and a Key Stone (right) in Pokémon Origins]]
In ''[[PO02|File 2: Cubone]]'', [[Mr. Fuji]] gave {{OBP|Red|Origins}} a Mega Stone and a Key Stone, although he did not tell Red what they truly were, merely saying that he would find out soon enough. In ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', during Red's battle against {{p|Mewtwo}}, one of the stones was revealed to be a Charizardite X that came from Kalos. Together, it and the Key Stone triggered [[Red's Charizard]]'s Mega Evolution, allowing it to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard X and weaken Mewtwo enough to be caught by Red.
{{-}}

==In the manga==

===In the Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King manga===
In [[Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King]], as the story of the manga is centered around Mega Evolution, several characters have Mega Stones. {{OBP|Akira|LDK}} owns both a Charizardite X and a Charizardite Y, {{OBP|Koji|LDK}} owns a Garchompite, and [[Taichi]] has an Ampharosite.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
====History====
====={{chap|X & Y}}=====
Due to Mega Evolution being a relatively unknown phenomenon, the Mega Stone concept gradually developed. {{adv|Trevor}} was not aware of the Mega Stone that {{adv|X}}'s [[Kanga and Li'l Kanga|Kanga]] possessed, until ''[[PAXY04|They Have a Flare for a Li'l Kanga-Napping]]'' when he found it in Kanga's pouch. In ''[[PAXY08|What Does Charmander Do When It Dozes?]]'', Trevor and X proved that Kanga's Mega Stone had no effect when taken out of Kanga's pouch and placed with X's {{p|Chespin}}. In ''[[PAXY13|Overthrowing a Tyrunt]]'', Trevor and X became aware of different Mega Stones and their names when the {{tc|Team Flare Grunt}} they were fighting mentioned the Kangaskanite and Manectite explicitly. Trevor and X combined their skills to defeat the grunt in battle and steal a list of Mega Stones that he had supposedly compiled.

* [[Korrina]]'s {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}} possesses a Lucarionite, allowing it to Mega Evolve into Mega Lucario.
* [[Gurkinn]]'s {{p|Heracross}} wears its Heracronite around its horn.
* [[Diantha]]'s {{TP|Diantha|Gardevoir}} wears its Gardevoirite around its head.
* [[Lysandre]]'s Gyarados possesses a Gyaradosite, which a Team Flare grunt successfully dispatched to [[Malva]].
* X's [[Élec]] possesses a Manectite, which is kept in a patch of fur on his chest. Élec was motivated to seek its Mega Stone after witnessing Kanga and Li'l Kanga Mega Evolve during a battle in the [[Lumiose Gym|Prism Tower]].
* X's {{p|Gengar|Garma}} possesses a Gengarite, which is kept in a patch of fur under its jaw.
* {{adv|Tierno}} and {{adv|Shauna}} found multiple Mega Stones while looking for a Pinsirite and Absolite for X's {{p|Pinsir|Rute}} and Y's {{p|Absol|Solsol}}. After some searching, they successfully found the correct Mega Stones and gave them to X and Y.
* X's [[Salamè]] possesses a Charizardite X, which he keeps on the tip of his tail, hidden inside of tail's flame. {{adv|Blue}}'s {{TP|Blue|Charizard}} possesses a Charizardite Y, which is also kept hidden inside of the flame on the tip of his tail. Both Charizard combined in their respective Mega Evolutions to defeat [[Xerosic]], who claimed that Team Flare found no proof that a Charizard Mega Evolves, let alone into two different forms.
* [[Blaine]] possesses both a Mewtwonite Y and Mewtwonite X, which he can use to Mega Evolve {{adv|Mewtwo}} into either of its Mega Evolutions.

====={{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}=====
The Mega Stones appear or are mentioned in the following chapters:

* In ''[[PAORAS01|Omega Alpha Adventure 1]]'', {{adv|Eon duo|Latios}} revealed that he and Latias have obtained their respective Mega Stones.
* In ''[[PAORAS02|Omega Alpha Adventure 2]]'', it was revealed that {{Steven}} had already found the Mega Stones for [[Chic|Blaziken]], [[Mumu|Swampert]], and {{TP|Emerald|Sceptile}} for {{adv|Sapphire}}, {{adv|Ruby}}, and {{adv|Emerald}}, respectively.
* In ''[[PAORAS03|Omega Alpha Adventure 3]]'', [[Zinnia]] used her Salamencite to Mega Evolve her {{TP|Zinnia|Salamence}} during a battle against Ruby. Using Latios's Latiosite, Ruby Mega Evolved the Eon Pokémon into Mega Latios and defeated Mega Salamence.
* In ''[[PAORAS11|Omega Alpha Adventure 11]]'', {{adv|Red}} and {{adv|Green}} were revealed to have respectively obtained the Venusaurite and Blastoisinite, sometime before following [[Maxie]] and [[Archie]], who had obtained the Cameruptite and Sharpedonite, respectively. The two pairs of Trainers used the Mega Stones with their respective Pokémon to battle each other.
* In ''[[PAORAS20|Omega Alpha Adventure 20]]'', {{adv|Giovanni}} was revealed to have obtained a Beedrillite, using it to Mega Evolve his {{TP|Giovanni|Beedrill}} as part of his explanation that the meteoroid threatening to destroy the world may be housing a Pokémon inside of it. The [[Meteor Village]] {{OBP|elder|Meteor Village}} later offered {{adv|Sapphire}} a Gardevoirite and Galladite, commenting how matching her Gallade and {{adv|Ruby}}'s Gardevoir are. Ruby and Sapphire later used these Mega Stones to Mega Evolve [[Rara]] and {{p|Gallade|Kirly}} during a brief battle against each other.
* In ''[[PAORAS21|Omega Alpha Adventure 21]]'', after destroying the [[Grand Meteor Delta]], Ruby has {{p|Hoopa}} find a Diancite for Diancie to use in the Pokémon Contest Spectacular, allowing Ruby to Mega Evolve Diancie for his and Sapphire's performance.

====Gallery====
<gallery>
File:Charizardite Y Adventures.png|Blue's Charizard holding his Charizardite Y
File:Swampertite Adventures.png|Mumu's Swampertite
File:Blazikenite Adventures.png|Chic holding her Blazikenite
File:Sceptilite Adventures.png|Emerald's Sceptile holding his Sceptilite
File:Gardevoirite Galladite Adventures.png|Rara's Gardevoirite and Kirly's Galladite
File:Kangaskhanite Adventures.png|Li'l Kanga's Kangaskhanite
File:Charizardite X Adventures.png|Salamè holding his Charizardite X
File:Manectite Adventures.png|Élec using his Manectite
File:Gengarite Adventures.png|Garma holding his Gengarite
File:Pinsirite Adventures.png|Rute holding his Pinsirite
File:Absolite Adventures.png|Solsol holding his Absolite
File:Lucarionite Adventures.png|Korrina's Lucario's Lucarionite
File:Gardevoirite Adventures.png|Diantha's Gardevoir wearing its Gardevoirite around its head
File:Gyaradosite Adventures.png|Lysandre's Gyarados's Gyaradosite
File:Heracronite Adventures.png|Gurkinn's Heracross's Heracronite
File:Mewtwonite X and Y Adventures.png|Mewtwo's X and Y Mewtwonite
File:Diancite Adventures.png|A Diancite Ruby used
</gallery>

==Artwork==
The following is a gallery of Mega Stone artwork as seen on the [[Pokémon Global Link]].
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{black color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{black color}}"
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Abomasite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Absolite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Aerodactylite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Aggronite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Alakazite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Altarianite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Ampharosite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ice color dark}}|Abomasite}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Absolite}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{flying color dark}}|Aerodactylite}}
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{steel color dark}}|Aggronite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Alakazite}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fairy color dark}}|Altarianite}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Ampharosite}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Audinite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{ghost color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Banettite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Beedrillite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Blastoisinite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Blazikenite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Cameruptite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Charizardite X Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fairy color dark}}|Audinite}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ghost color dark}}|Banettite}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{bug color dark}}|Beedrillite}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Blastoisinite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Blazikenite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Cameruptite}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Charizardite X}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Charizardite Y Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Diancite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Galladite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Garchompite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gardevoirite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{ghost color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gengarite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{ice color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Glalitite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{flying color dark}}|Charizardite Y}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fairy color dark}}|Diancite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Galladite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Garchompite}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fairy color dark}}|Gardevoirite}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Gengarite}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ice color dark}}|Glalitite}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gyaradosite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Heracronite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Houndoominite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Kangaskhanite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Latiasite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Latiosite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Lopunnite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Gyaradosite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Heracronite}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fire color dark}}|Houndoominite}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{normal color dark}}|Kangaskhanite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Latiasite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Latiosite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Lopunnite}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fighting color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Lucarionite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Manectite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Mawilite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fighting color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Medichamite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Metagrossite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Mewtwonite X Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Mewtwonite Y Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{steel color dark}}|Lucarionite}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Manectite}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fairy color dark}}|Mawilite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Medichamite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Metagrossite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Mewtwonite X}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Mewtwonite Y}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Pidgeotite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Pinsirite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sablenite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Salamencite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sceptilite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Scizorite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sharpedonite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{flying color dark}}|Pidgeotite}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{flying color dark}}|Pinsirite}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ghost color dark}}|Sablenite}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{flying color dark}}|Salamencite}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Sceptilite}}
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{steel color dark}}|Scizorite}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Sharpedonite}}
|-
|
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Slowbronite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Steelixite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Swampertite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Tyranitarite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Venusaurite Sprite.png]]
|
|-
|
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Slowbronite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Steelixite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Swampertite}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Tyranitarite}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Venusaurite}}
|
|}{{-}}

==Trivia==

* The design of the Mega Stones appear to be based on a common pattern found in the glass {{wp|marble (toy)|marble}} called a toothpaste or catseye marble.
* The Aggronite and Houndoominite are only obtainable in Pokémon Y, despite {{p|Aron}}, {{p|Houndour}}, and their evolutions being exclusive to Pokémon X.
** Likewise, the Tyranitarite and Manectricite are only obtainable in Pokémon X, despite {{p|Larvitar}}, {{p|Electrike}}, and their evolutions being exclusive to Pokémon Y.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{x color light}}|bordercolor={{y color dark}}
|zh_yue=超級石 ''{{tt|Chīukāp Sehk|Super Stone}} {{tt|*|Games, Mega Evolution Special 01}} ''超進化石 ''{{tt|Chīujeunfa Sehk|Super Evolution Stone}}'' {{tt|*|Anime (XY028)}} Mega Stone {{tt|*|Anime (XY029, XY068, XY092), Mega Evolution Special 02}}
|zh_cmn=超級石 / 超级石 ''{{tt|Chāojí Shí|Super Stone}}'' {{tt|*|Games, Tretta}} 超進化石 ''{{tt|Chāojìnhuà Shí|Super Evolution Stone}}'' {{tt|*|Anime, Adventures}}
|cs=Mega kamen
|fi=Megakivi
|fr=Méga-Gemme
|da=Megasten
|nl=Megasteen
|de=Mega-Stein
|id=Batu Mega
|it=Megapietra
|hu=Mega Kő
|ko=메가스톤 ''Mega Stone''
|no=Megastein
|pl=Mega Kamień
|pt_br=Mega Pedra{{tt|*|anime}} Mega Rocha{{tt|*|XY140}} Megapedra{{tt|*|Pokémon Characters Guidebook}}
|ru=Мега Камень ''Mega Kamen'''
|es=Megapiedra
|sv=Megasten
|th=หินเมก้า ''H̄in Mega''
|vi=Đá Mega
}}

==See also==
* [[Key Stone]]
* [[Colored orbs]]
* [[Z-Crystal]]

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Talk:Pokémon Masters EX

2019-06-27T18:42:30Z

Mcheetah: /* But who's the really tall adult woman with the Lotad? */

Cheryl was also shown to be present in the direct. I don't want to mess with the coding since it's clearly being very carefully handled, but just wanted to point it out. [[User:GymLeaderKit|GymLeaderKit]] ([[User talk:GymLeaderKit|talk]]) 18:16, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

== But who's the really tall adult woman with the Lotad? ==

Only main series games I've never played are X & Y and Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee and I've never seen her before. Is she a new original character or a returning side character?

Also, does this take place in the Kalos/Alola universe (but at an earlier time period, before Red and Blue became adults), or is this an entirely separate universe on its own, like the Let's Go universe? [[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 18:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Masters EX

2019-06-27T18:42:20Z

Mcheetah: /* But who's the really tall adult woman with the Lotad? */

Cheryl was also shown to be present in the direct. I don't want to mess with the coding since it's clearly being very carefully handled, but just wanted to point it out. [[User:GymLeaderKit|GymLeaderKit]] ([[User talk:GymLeaderKit|talk]]) 18:16, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

== But who's the really tall adult woman with the Lotad? ==

Only main series games I've never played are X & Y and Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee and I've never seen her before. Is she a new original character or a returning side character?

Also, does this take place in the Kalos/Alola universe (but at an earlier time period, before Red and Blue became adults), or is this an entirely separate universe on its own, like the Let's Go universe?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 18:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Masters EX

2019-06-27T18:41:43Z

Mcheetah: /* But who's the really tall adult woman with the Lotad? */ new section

Talk:Thrifty Megamart (Abandoned Site)

2018-12-27T07:22:56Z

Mcheetah: Mimikium Z

'''Mimikium Z'''

The page claims that the player picks up the Mimikium Z after defeating the Totem Mimikyu in the back room Grand Trial battle. But I don't ever remember seeing anything dropped by Totem Mimikyu after defeating it and don't even remember if you can walk around in the back room after defeating it. Since it disappears after the trial and the page claims it is in the back room, how else are you possibly supposed to get the Mimikium Z? Because I never once got a chance to get it.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Thrifty Megamart (Abandoned Site)

2018-12-27T07:22:16Z

Mcheetah: Mimikium Z

The page claims that the player picks up the Mimikium Z after defeating the Totem Mimikyu in the back room Grand Trial battle. But I don't ever remember seeing anything dropped by Totem Mimikyu after defeating it and don't even remember if you can walk around in the back room after defeating it. Since it disappears after the trial and the page claims it is in the back room, how else are you possibly supposed to get the Mimikium Z? Because I never once got a chance to get it.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Talk:TM

2018-09-03T10:50:19Z

Mcheetah: Undo revision 2843327 by Force Fire (talk)

Greengiant, I put the games for a reason so people would know what games they are in. Yes I know they can click on the Gen links but trust me it looked better the way I had it. Thanks for linking the moves, though. Also, you didn't need to get rid of the Move Tutors link I had. Don't overedit.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 00:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris, with all due respect, I don't believe he's overediting. The names of the games are redundant with respect to what generation they're found in. So long as you link to the generation, a user can figure out the games in it. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I know what you're saying with how the differences between FireRed and LeafGreen can confuse things so you wanted to clarify. I didn't notice that before, but I think now that there might be a simpler way to say it, I'm just not sure how. I also didn't mean to remove the Move Tutors link, sorry about that. -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Just a thought - perhaps, for organizational purposes, we should turn the three lists into one big chart? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== potrayal ==

I really think the artical should include info on the looks of TMs, from the box thingys from the TCG to the modern disk shape (I also seem to recall them appearing in special as something else entirely). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember a Pokémon manga where they appeared as boxes (in a simpler style than the TCG ones, which came later). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::acctualy, thinking about, I'm not exactly sure it was special. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it was seen used against the Eevee Brothers, which would make it the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga... Eevee learned... Mimic, was it? Let it copy Jolteon's move, I think. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== TM Pages ==
For TMs that have not changed their move from generation to generation, I've begun changing the articles, since they aren't really referential to the move itself. The current format is ''TMs vary between generations. However, TMXX is (move) in every generation to date.'' -- I have switched this to ''TMXX has contained the move (MOVE) in every generation to date.'', because I feel the note that TMs vary between generations is both superfluous and misleading if the TM in question hasn't varied between generations. That statement would be better suited for this article. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rock Smash and Flash ==

In the trivia section, is it worth noting that these moves have been both TM and HM moves at some point? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Theoretical National TM List ==

I made a theoretical national TM list. I concatenated each regions TM list (in order), then removed duplicates. What I got was the following:

*TM001 {{m|Mega Punch}}
*TM002 {{m|Razor Wind}}
*TM003 {{m|Swords Dance}}
*TM004 {{m|Whirlwind}}
*TM005 {{m|Mega Kick}}
*TM006 {{m|Toxic}}
*TM007 {{m|Horn Drill}}
*TM008 {{m|Body Slam}}
*TM009 {{m|Take Down}}
*TM010 {{m|Double-Edge}}
*TM011 {{m|BubbleBeam}}
*TM012 {{m|Water Gun}}
*TM013 {{m|Ice Beam}}
*TM014 {{m|Blizzard}}
*TM015 {{m|Hyper Beam}}
*TM016 {{m|Pay Day}}
*TM017 {{m|Submission}}
*TM018 {{m|Counter}}
*TM019 {{m|Seismic Toss}}
*TM020 {{m|Rage}}
*TM021 {{m|Mega Drain}}
*TM022 {{m|SolarBeam}}
*TM023 {{m|Dragon Rage}}
*TM024 {{m|Thunderbolt}}
*TM025 {{m|Thunder}}
*TM026 {{m|Earthquake}}
*TM027 {{m|Fissure}}
*TM028 {{m|Dig}}
*TM029 {{m|Psychic}}
*TM030 {{m|Teleport}}
*TM031 {{m|Mimic}}
*TM032 {{m|Double Team}}
*TM033 {{m|Reflect}}
*TM034 {{m|Bide}}
*TM035 {{m|Metronome}}
*TM036 {{m|Selfdestruct}}
*TM037 {{m|Egg Bomb}}
*TM038 {{m|Fire Blast}}
*TM039 {{m|Swift}}
*TM040 {{m|Skull Bash}}
*TM041 {{m|Softboiled}}
*TM042 {{m|Dream Eater}}
*TM043 {{m|Sky Attack}}
*TM044 {{m|Rest}}
*TM045 {{m|Thunder Wave}}
*TM046 {{m|Psywave}}
*TM047 {{m|Explosion}}
*TM048 {{m|Rock Slide}}
*TM049 {{m|Tri Attack}}
*TM050 {{m|Substitute}}
*TM051 {{m|DynamicPunch}}
*TM052 {{m|Headbutt}}
*TM053 {{m|Curse}}
*TM054 {{m|Rollout}}
*TM055 {{m|Roar}}
*TM056 {{m|Zap Cannon}}
*TM057 {{m|Rock Smash}}
*TM058 {{m|Psych Up}}
*TM059 {{m|Hidden Power}}
*TM060 {{m|Sunny Day}}
*TM061 {{m|Sweet Scent}}
*TM062 {{m|Snore}}
*TM063 {{m|Icy Wind}}
*TM064 {{m|Protect}}
*TM065 {{m|Rain Dance}}
*TM066 {{m|Giga Drain}}
*TM067 {{m|Endure}}
*TM068 {{m|Frustration}}
*TM069 {{m|Iron Tail}}
*TM070 {{m|DragonBreath}}
*TM071 {{m|Return}}
*TM072 {{m|Shadow Ball}}
*TM073 {{m|Mud-Slap}}
*TM074 {{m|Ice Punch}}
*TM075 {{m|Swagger}}
*TM076 {{m|Sleep Talk}}
*TM077 {{m|Sludge Bomb}}
*TM078 {{m|Sandstorm}}
*TM079 {{m|Defense Curl}}
*TM080 {{m|ThunderPunch}}
*TM081 {{m|Detect}}
*TM082 {{m|Attract}}
*TM083 {{m|Thief}}
*TM084 {{m|Steel Wing}}
*TM085 {{m|Fire Punch}}
*TM086 {{m|Fury Cutter}}
*TM087 {{m|Nightmare}}
*TM088 {{m|Focus Punch}}
*TM089 {{m|Dragon Claw}}
*TM090 {{m|Water Pulse}}
*TM091 {{m|Calm Mind}}
*TM092 {{m|Hail}}
*TM093 {{m|Bulk Up}}
*TM094 {{m|Bullet Seed}}
*TM095 {{m|Taunt}}
*TM096 {{m|Light Screen}}
*TM097 {{m|Safeguard}}
*TM098 {{m|Brick Break}}
*TM099 {{m|Shock Wave}}
*TM100 {{m|Flamethrower}}
*TM101 {{m|Rock Tomb}}
*TM102 {{m|Aerial Ace}}
*TM103 {{m|Torment}}
*TM104 {{m|Facade}}
*TM105 {{m|Secret Power}}
*TM106 {{m|Skill Swap}}
*TM107 {{m|Snatch}}
*TM108 {{m|Overheat}}
*TM109 {{m|Roost}}
*TM110 {{m|Focus Blast}}
*TM111 {{m|Energy Ball}}
*TM112 {{m|False Swipe}}
*TM113 {{m|Brine}}
*TM114 {{m|Fling}}
*TM115 {{m|Charge Beam}}
*TM116 {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
*TM117 {{m|Drain Punch}}
*TM118 {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}
*TM119 {{m|Silver Wind}}
*TM120 {{m|Embargo}}
*TM121 {{m|Shadow Claw}}
*TM122 {{m|Payback}}
*TM123 {{m|Recycle}}
*TM124 {{m|Giga Impact}}
*TM125 {{m|Rock Polish}}
*TM126 {{m|Flash}}
*TM127 {{m|Stone Edge}}
*TM128 {{m|Avalanche}}
*TM129 {{m|Gyro Ball}}
*TM130 {{m|Stealth Rock}}
*TM131 {{m|Captivate}}
*TM132 {{m|Dark Pulse}}
*TM133 {{m|X-Scissor}}
*TM134 {{m|Natural Gift}}
*TM135 {{m|Poison Jab}}
*TM136 {{m|Grass Knot}}
*TM137 {{m|Pluck}}
*TM138 {{m|U-turn}}
*TM139 {{m|Flash Cannon}}
*TM140 {{m|Trick Room}}

140 TMs throughout the games! --[[User:JP585]]
:well thats pretty cool, but, whats the point? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well mainly it is for use for theoretical games....or for comic makers who want consistency throughout their stories. Personally I would use it for my comic (gonna make a character as a representative of a TM Factory).--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 04:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, at the least, it makes for a good piece of trivia. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It's an interesting list, certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Game Technical Machines ==

True, True. The national TM list good view of the totality of Technical Machines. Of course I did not include the TCG machines. They are not numbered 
*[[EX Hidden Legends (TCG)]]
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 84)|Ancient Technical Machine Ice]] - Ice Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 85)|Ancient Technical Machine Rock]] - Stone Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 86)|Ancient Technical Machine Steel]] - Steel Generator
*[[Skyridge (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/129-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere α] - Fire Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/130-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere β] - Freezing Force
** {{TCG ID|Skyridge|Miracle Sphere γ|131}} - Thunder Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/133-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate α] - Desert Burn
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/134-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate β] - Stone Crush
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/135-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate γ] - Retro Cave
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/136-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate δ] - Healing Oasis
*[[EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/079-aqua-tm.jpg Team Aqua TM 01] - Miracle
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/084-magma-tm.jpg Team Magma TM 01] - Crushing Magma
*[[Aquapolis (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/119-darkness01.jpg Darkness Cube 01] - Plunder
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/121-fighting01.jpg Fighting Cube 01] - Violent Rage
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/122-fire01.jpg Fire Cube 01] - Singe
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/124-grass01.jpg Grass Cube 01] - Sleep Poison
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/127-electric01.jpg Lightning Cube 01] - Discharge
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/129-metal01.jpg Metal Cube 01] - Metal Reversal
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/132-psychic01.jpg Psychic Cube 01] - Psy Confuse
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/140-water01.jpg Water Cube 01] - Splatter
*[[Expedition Base Set (TCG)]]
** {{TCG ID|Expedition|Multi Technical Machine 01|144}} -Paralyzing Gaze
*[[Pokémon VS (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm.shtml Falkner's TM01] - Quick Dive
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm2.shtml Falkner's TM02] - Slash Turn
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm.shtml Bugsy's TM01] - Fury Cutter
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm2.shtml Bugsy's TM02] - Super Drain
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm.shtml Whitney's TM01] - Shake
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm2.shtml Whitney's TM02] - Triple Slap
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm.shtml Morty's TM01] - Dream Eater
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm2.shtml Morty's TM02] - Recover
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm.shtml Jasmine's TM01] - Healing Flash
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm2.shtml Jasmine's TM02] - Thunder Bite
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm.shtml Chuck's TM01] - Dynamic Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm2.shtml Chuck's TM02] - Take Down
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm.shtml Pryce's TM01] - Blizzard
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm2.shtml Pryce's TM02] - Freeze Ray
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm.shtml Clair's TM01] - Dragon's Breath
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm2.shtml Clair's TM02] - Fry Beam
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm.shtml Janine's TM01] - Toxic
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm2.shtml Janine's TM02] - Poison Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm.shtml Will's TM01] 0
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm2.shtml Will's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm.shtml Bruno's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm2.shtml Bruno's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm.shtml Karen's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm2.shtml Karen's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/rockets_tm.shtml Rocket's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm.shtml Lance's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm2.shtml Lance's TM02]- Giant Tail
*Other
**[http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/altomare/18-altomare-cube.shtml Alto Mare Cube] - Dream Analysis
--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 05:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Mystery Dungeon ==

What about the other moves from Mystery Dungeon? --[[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:49, 21 April 2008 (GMT)

:I don't know what you mean. We have articles for {{m|Vacuum-Cut}}, etc.. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm talking about in this article...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Include Glitch TMs ==

Why not someone add in the Glitch TMs as well? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because real Pokémon game data and glitch/hack Pokémon game data ought not be mixed. In the Pokémon prev/next for Bulbasaur, it doesn't show Missingno. or 'M. They aren't real Pokémon just like the glitch TMs aren't real TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon that can't learn TMs==

Should we make a list of pokemon that cant learn TMs??

we were talking about it in the main page and [[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] told us to take it here instead; the list we have so far is: Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot, Beldum and Smeargle

if we are it should be completed first, also props go to; [[User:Mr._Charlie]],[[User:Jmvb]],[[User:EpicFail]] and[[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] for compiling the list so far --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 21:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there is anything missing, just add it yourself. With that said, I think we have them all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, someone else should put this into the page because I dont want to risk doing a bad edit of an article (never edited before)and would rather start with grammar/punctuation errors and not this kind of list
::also how do you change your signature --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 09:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's, um, already on the page. Signature changing is done in your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]; a basic howto guide for design is [[BP:SIG|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== TM Chart ==

I was really hoping to find a chart of all the TMs each Pokémon can learn. Having it all on one page would be helpful in deciding whom to use which TMs on. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by that? Each Pokémon has a list of moves that they can learn by TM on their page, and which Pokémon can learn a particular move by TM is listed on the move pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Buyable and Unbuyable TMs ==

There's no Information on the price of TMs.
We really need that information to know which TMs are replaceable and which TMs are "super-rare" irreplaceable. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind... --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Vulpix's energy ball ==

While a Vulpix that knows energy ball is a good example of a Pokémon which learns a TM move only through breeding in Generation IV, Vuplix and Ninetales can learn energy ball from TM53 in Generation V. Anyone know of an example which still works in Gen V?[[User:Chammy|Chammy]] 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Do you guys really think that there are no TMs in the show?! What if they never appear in the show or Ash and gang find and use them off screen?! Cause there is no way Ash's Herracross could know Hyper Beam or Sleep Talk without using a TM.{{unsigned|Mr.Char}}
:Until we actually see a TM (or hear about one) in the anime, we can't assume that they exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to above==
Actually, in season 1 Ash is seen trying to teach a tm to Pikachu. The tm appears to be a monitor with the attack on it. He tries to teach Pikachu mega punch I believe. This is either likely in the episode with the Mankeys or Diglets. I am unsure as to which. --[[User:WheatThins|WheatThins]] 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

The last section, "Returning TMs", needs to be updated for Gen V. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't get the fact that Sleep Talk and Psych Up have "remained their TM Status". Because Sleep Talk is not a TM in Gen V, and Psych Up is. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 09:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== TMs that (almost) everything can use ==

We already have a list of Pokemon that can't use any TMs. On the opposite end of things, should we have a list of TMs that *every* Pokemon can learn? (Minus those that can't use any of them and a few specific others, of course.)

I've actually put together a list for this. I'm pretty sure I've got everything.
*TM03 [gen II]: Curse
*TM06: Toxic
*TM10 [since gen II]: Hidden Power
*TM13 [gen II]: Snore
*TM17 [since gen II]: Protect (except for Regigigas)
*TM20 [gen II]/TM58 [gen IV]: Endure
*TM21 [since gen II]: Frustration
*TM27 [since gen II]: Return
*TM31 [gen I]: Mimic
*TM32: Double team
*TM34 [gen I]: Bide
*TM34 [gen II]/TM87 [gens IV and V]: Swagger
*TM35 [gen III]/TM82 [gen IV]: Sleep Talk
*TM42 [gens III and IV]: Facade
*TM43 [gens III and IV]: Secret Power
*TM44: Rest (except for Regigigas)
*TM45 [since gen II]: Attract (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew and Cryogonal)
*TM50 [gen I]/TM90 [gens IV and V]: Substitute
*TM78 [gen IV]: Captivate (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew)
*TM83 [gen IV]: Natural gift

[[User:Spudwalt|-Spudwalt]] 04:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Bringing this up once again... will we eventually do something related to TMs and HMs for the Mystery Dungeon series? I know the locations will be hard to come up with, but buy and sell prices should be somewhat simple, if not time consuming. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's already a space for them on the individual TM and HM pages. Parameters are locmdrb, pricemdrb, sellmdrb, locmdtds, pricemdtds, sellmdtds, locmdww, pricemdww and sellmdww. If there's anything which you know is the same across multiple existing MD games, the relevant parameters default to that specified by pricemd and sellmd. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, I'll look into it then. I was on Thunder's page and didn't see anything, so I wanted to ask just in case. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "No. <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

The Trivia section for this page is enormous and rather difficult to read. Should something be done about it? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Pokémon Move Compatibility ==

So, as I was seeing if I could update some TM move pages for Gen VI games, I noticed something incredibly useful. While in Cassius's PC, if you choose the "Organize Boxes" option, there's a little magnifying glass icon at the bottom. This allows you to search for Pokémon in your boxes that fulfill certain criteria. One of these criteria is "TMs & HMs". To quote the game, "You can check whether Pokémon can use the selected TM or HM." So, I'm going to run through the Pokémon that I have and try to update any TM/HM move pages that need some Gen VI love. However, I don't own even all of the Kalos Pokémon yet, much less the rest (some of which will have to wait until the Pokémon Bank launches next month anyway). So, if anyone wants to further edit the pages with their own Pokémon collection, feel free to do so. I just figured I'd let everyone know that they've made it amazingly easy to determine this compatibility in X and Y. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Incompatible Pokémon ==

Some Pokémon, like Wobbuffet cannot learn TMs, there are confusion between it can learn TMs and it cannot learn at all. Someone must check Pokémon pages whatever it can learn TMs or not. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say seeing as Wobbuffet's page clearly shows it being able to learn a move from TMs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll find more TMs later because Wobbuffet can learn TMs so I'll check on Pokémon Storage System on my game. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

== Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. ==

''Here are all of the TM moves exclusive to gen 1 only. I'd like permission to make this into its own full page please. Thank you.''

*'''TM02 Razor Wind''' - ''Normal'' - Butterfree, Pidgey, Zubat, Venomoth, Farfetch'd, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew.

*'''TM 07 Horn Drill''' - ''Normal'' - Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Tauros, Omastar, Dragonair/Dragonite, Mew.

*'''TM 09 Take Down''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Oddish, Paras, Venonat, Diglett, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Geodude, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Krabby, Voltorb, Exeggcute, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Goldeen, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Gyarados, Porygon, Omanyte, Kabuto, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 11 BubbleBeam''' - ''Water'' - Squirtle, Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Slowpoke, Seel, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Lapras, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 12 Water Gun''' - ''Water'' - Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Seel, Shellder, Krabby, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 16 Pay Day''' - ''Normal'' - Pikachu, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Psyduck, Mankey, Slowpoke, Seel, Rhydon, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 17 Submission''' - ''Fighting'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickintung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 20 Rage''' - ''Normal'' - All TM capable Pokemon.

*'''TM 21 Mega Drain''' - ''Grass'' - Bulbasaur, Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Zubat, Paras, Venonat, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Exeggutor, Mew.

*'''TM 23 Dragon Rage''' - ''Dragon'' - Growlithe, Arcanine, Lapras, Aerodactyl, Mew.

*'''TM 27 Fissure''' - ''Ground'' - Charizard, Blastoise, Ekans, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Poliwhirl, Machop (with Guts), Geodude, Slowpoke, Onix, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Kangaskhan, Tauros, Mew.

*'''TM 30 Teleport''' - ''Psychic'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venomoth, Arcanine, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Shellder, Drowzee, Voltorb, Exegcute, Chansey, Staryu, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 34 Bide''' - ''Normal'' - All TM capable Pokemon.

*'''TM 35 Metronome''' - ''Normal'' - Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Machop, Geodude, Gengar, Drowzee, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Mewtwo.

*'''TM 36 Selfdestruct''' - ''Normal'' - Grimer, Shellder, Gastly, Onix, Exeggcute, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 37 Egg Bomb''' - ''Normal'' - Exeggcute, Mew.

*'''TM 40 Skull Bash''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Beedrill, Rattata, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Paras, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Growlithe, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Seel, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Electrode, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Chansey, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee, Porygon, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 46 Psywave''' - ''Psychic'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venonat, Poliwag, Abra, Slowpoke, Drowzee, Exeggcute, Chansey, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Lapras, Porygon, Snorlax, Mew.

*'''TM 49 Tri Attack''' - ''Normal'' - Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Abra, Slowpoke, Shellder, Drowzee, Chansey, Staryu, Mewtwo, Mew.

Also, if anyone knows how to format this into chart form, please let me know or edit it for me. Thanks.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
:As far as I remember, people have always brought this up because of breeding. But people can see on the move pages exactly who can learn any given move and how. I don't see any real point to something like this. (And I could certainly be missing something, but I don't know how, for instance, {{m|Razor Wind}} is so different from something like {{m|Focus Punch}}, which also used to be a TM but is not currently. I have no idea why the Gen I TMs are the focus, at least here/above.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
::It's clearly meant to see which moves Pokémon can have in Gen 7 only via Poké Transfer from Gen 1 (other than Self-Destruct which was tutorable in XD). That said, I agree it's not needed in mainspace.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

== Generation 2 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 2. ==

''Here are all of the TM moves exclusive to generation 2 only. They can be used brought into the modern-day games from the Virtual Console via Pokemon Bank.''

*'''TM01 DynamicPunch''' - ''Fighting'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, ''Mankey'', Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Grimer, Gengar, Drowzee, Cubone, ''Hitmonlee'', ''Hitmonchan'', Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Snorlax, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Typhlosion, Totodile, Sentret, Ledyba, Flaaffy, Marill, Sudowoodo, Politoed, Aipom, Wooper, Slowking, Snubbull, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Smoochum, Miltank, Blissey, Tyranitar.

*'''TM03 Curse''' - ''Ghost'' - All who can learn TMs can learn Curse.

*'''TM04 Rollout''' - ''Rock'' - Squirtle, Pikachu, Clefairy, Magnemite, Exeggcute, Koffing, Rhyhorn, Chansey, Chansey, ''Kabuto'', Mew, Sentret, Ledyba, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Wooper, Pineco, Dunsparce, Teddiursa, Corsola, Phanpy.

*'''TM 07 Zap Cannnon''' - ''Electric'' - ''Pikachu'', Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Abra, Slowpoke, Grimer, Gastly, Drowzee, ''Voltorb'', Koffing, Rhyhorn, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Staryu, Mr. Mime, ''Electabuzz'', Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, ''Jolteon'', Flareon, Snorlax, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew, ''Chinchou'', ''Pichu'', Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Snubbull, Teddiursa, ''Elekid'', Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Lugia, Ho-Oh.

*'''TM12 Sweet Scent''' - ''Normal'' - Butterfree, Beedrill, Venonat, Tangela, Jynx, Mew, Ledyba, Hoppip, Pineco, Smoochum, Miltank, Celebi.

*'''TM19 Giga Drain''' - ''Grass'' - Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Mew, ''Chikorita'', Ledyba, Spinarak, Natu, Yanma, Pineco, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

*'''TM20 Endure''' - ''Normal'' - All who can learn TMs can learn Endure.

*'''TM23 Iron Tail''' - ''Steel'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Rattata, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Psyduck, Mankey, Abra, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Farfetch'd, Cubone, Lickitung, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Electabuzz, Tauros, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Porygon, Aerodactyl, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Pichu, Cleffa, Marill, Aipom, Wooper, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Gligar, Granbull, Sneasel, Houndour, Phanpy, Porygon2, Stantler, Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia.

*'''TM24 Dragonbreath''' - ''Dragon'' - Charmander, Growlithe, Gyarados, Lapras, Mew, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh.

*'''TM31 Mud-Slap''' - ''Ground'' - Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Pikachu, ''Sandshrew'', Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Machop, ''Geodude'', Slowpoke, Doduo, ''Onix'', Krabby, ''Cubone'', Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, ''Rhyhorn'', Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Porygon, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Sentret, Hoothoot, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Marill, Sudowoodo, Aipom, ''Wooper'', Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Slowking, Girafarig, ''Steelix'', Snubbull, Shuckle, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Slugma, Corsola, Remoraid, Delibird, Mantine, Skarmory, Houndour, ''Phanpy'', Stantler, Miltank, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Blissey, Smoochum, Elekid, Magby, Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Larvitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

*'''TM39 Swift''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Butterfree, Beedrill, ''Pidgey'', ''Rattata'', ''Spearow'', Pikachu, Vulpix, Venonat, ''Meowth'', Psyduck, Mankey, Growlithe, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Magnemite, ''Farfetch'd'', ''Doduo'', Shellder, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Horsea, Goldeen, Scyther, Porygon, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mew, ''Sentret'', ''Hoothoot'', Pichu, Togepi, Natu, Mareep, Marill, Yanma, Murkrow, Slowking, Misdreavus, ''Girafarig'', Gligar, Qwilfish, Sneasel, ''Teddiursa'', Remoraid, Delibird, Mantine, Houndour, ''Stantler'', Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Celebi.

*'''TM40 Defense Curl''' - ''Normal'' - Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Rattata, Pikachu, Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Meowth, Mankey, Poliwag, Mew, Pichu, Cleffa, Togepi, Mareep, Hoppip, Aipom, Wooper, Misdreavus, Pineco, Snubbull, Qwilfish, Shuckle, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Slugma, Swinub, Corsola, Remoraid, Celebi.

*'''TM43 Detect''' - ''Fighting'' - Pidgey, Spearow, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Meowth, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Machop, Farfetch'd, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Scyther, Electabuzz, Magmar, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Sentret, Hoothoot, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Natu, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Gligar, Snubbull, Heracross, Sneasel, Swinub, Delibird, Skarmory, Houndour, Stantler, Tyrogue, Elekid, Magby, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Larvitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

*'''TM49 Fury Cutter''' - ''Bug'' - Bulbasaur, Charmander, ''Beedrill'', Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Golduck, Golem, Slowbro, Krabby, Rhydon, Kangaskhan, ''Pinsir'', Kabutops, Dragonite, Mew, Bayleef, Quilava, Croconaw, Sentret, Aipom, Slowking, ''Heracross'', Sneasel, Teddiursa, Tyranitar.

*'''TM50 Nightmare''' - ''Ghost'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Abra, Slowpoke, Gastly, Drowzee, Exeggcute, Lickitung, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Lapras, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew, Hoothoot, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Natu, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Sneasel, Houndour, Porygon2, Stantler, Smoochum, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

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==Flaming==
Hey, Mcheetah, I can understand where you are coming from with some of your [[User talk:Tiddlywinks#Subjective Editing/Blocking you keep doing|comments]], but don't flame people. Using all caps/yelling at someone isn't the answer. Talk to them nicely and if the problem persists, talk to a staff member. Just warning you because you can get banned for flaming. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 02:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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== Spiritomb ==

That was me, not {{u|AquaDragon}}. Now, to explain, it was an accidental rollback (those do no require confirmation to proceed, so the revert happens automatically). But looking into see if I should revert myself or not, I determined: we do not list how to acquire pokémon in that area of the article, so the revert was correct in the end. That is what the "game locations" section is for, and had you looked on either [[Hallowed Tower]] or even the [[Sinnoh Route 209]] page, as Spiritomb's game locations section dictates, it explains how to get Spiritomb. In detail. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 04:15, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== Assuming Bad Faith ==

Hello, I've noticed that you tend to overreact when others respond or reverts one of your edits. Whilst it can be frustrating, don't always assume that other are out there to get you. They are just trying to help you. So when someone says "It's not that hard to find", it doesn't automatically mean "You're an idiot", it just means that you just have to be more careful when reading articles. Next time, I hope you don't go around biting people's heads off because you don't like what they say. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== Heatran ==

Hi, I noticed your inquiry about Heatran's availability in DPPt. The information can be found in the article at the [[Heatran_(Pokémon)#Game_locations|Game locations]] section. My advice would be to carefully read through the article and not assume the information you want is going to be in the first paragraph of the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talk page comments ==

Please don't edit other people's talk page comments, including their section headers. Thanks! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== No Guard Machamp ==

The information you want can be found in the article. However I will simply answer the ability question, all transferred gen 1 pokemon have their hidden ability so that means No Guard Machamp is impossible [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 14:25, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Talk pages are for suggesting improvements for an article, not pointless junk. The information that you want to add is already on the various move pages, we don't need a specific list of what move a Pokémon can only learn in a certain generation. I know that idea is for those that want to transfer Pokémon, but that should just be common sense. Of course a Pokémon that only knows a move in Gen II is going to know the move if you transfer it to a Gen VII game.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:09, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

But its not "common sense", nor is it "pointless junk." That statement is not accurate at all. The edit was for moves that can ONLY be learned in gen 2 and nowhere else. It should be listed at least SOMEWHERE on the TM's section, even if its buried way in the back of the "talk" section almost no one looks at. It's very useful information, especially for rare moves like Zap Cannon. I don't know why a page dedicated to Pokemon information has such strict gate-keeping for what valid information is allowed or not. That is the very reason why people use Bulbapedia: for information.
--[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 10:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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==Flaming==
Hey, Mcheetah, I can understand where you are coming from with some of your [[User talk:Tiddlywinks#Subjective Editing/Blocking you keep doing|comments]], but don't flame people. Using all caps/yelling at someone isn't the answer. Talk to them nicely and if the problem persists, talk to a staff member. Just warning you because you can get banned for flaming. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 02:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Please remember to sign your talk page posts with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> (four tildes) at the end of your comment. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:Another reminder. Try to get in the habit. Here's a tip: when you go to write a comment, first thing, maybe put <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> at the very end and then type your response before that, so that you don't have to remember it at the very end. I do this myself pretty often. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:00, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

== Spiritomb ==

That was me, not {{u|AquaDragon}}. Now, to explain, it was an accidental rollback (those do no require confirmation to proceed, so the revert happens automatically). But looking into see if I should revert myself or not, I determined: we do not list how to acquire pokémon in that area of the article, so the revert was correct in the end. That is what the "game locations" section is for, and had you looked on either [[Hallowed Tower]] or even the [[Sinnoh Route 209]] page, as Spiritomb's game locations section dictates, it explains how to get Spiritomb. In detail. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 04:15, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== Assuming Bad Faith ==

Hello, I've noticed that you tend to overreact when others respond or reverts one of your edits. Whilst it can be frustrating, don't always assume that other are out there to get you. They are just trying to help you. So when someone says "It's not that hard to find", it doesn't automatically mean "You're an idiot", it just means that you just have to be more careful when reading articles. Next time, I hope you don't go around biting people's heads off because you don't like what they say. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== Heatran ==

Hi, I noticed your inquiry about Heatran's availability in DPPt. The information can be found in the article at the [[Heatran_(Pokémon)#Game_locations|Game locations]] section. My advice would be to carefully read through the article and not assume the information you want is going to be in the first paragraph of the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talk page comments ==

Please don't edit other people's talk page comments, including their section headers. Thanks! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== No Guard Machamp ==

The information you want can be found in the article. However I will simply answer the ability question, all transferred gen 1 pokemon have their hidden ability so that means No Guard Machamp is impossible [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 14:25, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Talk pages are for suggesting improvements for an article, not pointless junk. The information that you want to add is already on the various move pages, we don't need a specific list of what move a Pokémon can only learn in a certain generation. I know that idea is for those that want to transfer Pokémon, but that should just be common sense. Of course a Pokémon that only knows a move in Gen II is going to know the move if you transfer it to a Gen VII game.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:09, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

But its not "common sense", nor is it "pointless junk." That statement accurate at all. The edit was for moves that can ONLY be learned in gen 2 and nowhere else. It's very useful information, especially for rare moves like Zap Cannon. I don't know why a page dedicated to Pokemon information has such strict gate-keeping for what information is allowed or not. That is the very reason why people use Bulbapedia: for information.
--[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 10:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Talk:TM

2018-09-03T09:20:31Z

Mcheetah: /* Generation 2 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 2. */

Talk:TM

2018-09-03T09:16:00Z

Mcheetah: /* Generation 2 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 2. */ new section

Greengiant, I put the games for a reason so people would know what games they are in. Yes I know they can click on the Gen links but trust me it looked better the way I had it. Thanks for linking the moves, though. Also, you didn't need to get rid of the Move Tutors link I had. Don't overedit.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 00:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris, with all due respect, I don't believe he's overediting. The names of the games are redundant with respect to what generation they're found in. So long as you link to the generation, a user can figure out the games in it. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I know what you're saying with how the differences between FireRed and LeafGreen can confuse things so you wanted to clarify. I didn't notice that before, but I think now that there might be a simpler way to say it, I'm just not sure how. I also didn't mean to remove the Move Tutors link, sorry about that. -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Just a thought - perhaps, for organizational purposes, we should turn the three lists into one big chart? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== potrayal ==

I really think the artical should include info on the looks of TMs, from the box thingys from the TCG to the modern disk shape (I also seem to recall them appearing in special as something else entirely). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember a Pokémon manga where they appeared as boxes (in a simpler style than the TCG ones, which came later). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::acctualy, thinking about, I'm not exactly sure it was special. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it was seen used against the Eevee Brothers, which would make it the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga... Eevee learned... Mimic, was it? Let it copy Jolteon's move, I think. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== TM Pages ==
For TMs that have not changed their move from generation to generation, I've begun changing the articles, since they aren't really referential to the move itself. The current format is ''TMs vary between generations. However, TMXX is (move) in every generation to date.'' -- I have switched this to ''TMXX has contained the move (MOVE) in every generation to date.'', because I feel the note that TMs vary between generations is both superfluous and misleading if the TM in question hasn't varied between generations. That statement would be better suited for this article. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rock Smash and Flash ==

In the trivia section, is it worth noting that these moves have been both TM and HM moves at some point? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Theoretical National TM List ==

I made a theoretical national TM list. I concatenated each regions TM list (in order), then removed duplicates. What I got was the following:

*TM001 {{m|Mega Punch}}
*TM002 {{m|Razor Wind}}
*TM003 {{m|Swords Dance}}
*TM004 {{m|Whirlwind}}
*TM005 {{m|Mega Kick}}
*TM006 {{m|Toxic}}
*TM007 {{m|Horn Drill}}
*TM008 {{m|Body Slam}}
*TM009 {{m|Take Down}}
*TM010 {{m|Double-Edge}}
*TM011 {{m|BubbleBeam}}
*TM012 {{m|Water Gun}}
*TM013 {{m|Ice Beam}}
*TM014 {{m|Blizzard}}
*TM015 {{m|Hyper Beam}}
*TM016 {{m|Pay Day}}
*TM017 {{m|Submission}}
*TM018 {{m|Counter}}
*TM019 {{m|Seismic Toss}}
*TM020 {{m|Rage}}
*TM021 {{m|Mega Drain}}
*TM022 {{m|SolarBeam}}
*TM023 {{m|Dragon Rage}}
*TM024 {{m|Thunderbolt}}
*TM025 {{m|Thunder}}
*TM026 {{m|Earthquake}}
*TM027 {{m|Fissure}}
*TM028 {{m|Dig}}
*TM029 {{m|Psychic}}
*TM030 {{m|Teleport}}
*TM031 {{m|Mimic}}
*TM032 {{m|Double Team}}
*TM033 {{m|Reflect}}
*TM034 {{m|Bide}}
*TM035 {{m|Metronome}}
*TM036 {{m|Selfdestruct}}
*TM037 {{m|Egg Bomb}}
*TM038 {{m|Fire Blast}}
*TM039 {{m|Swift}}
*TM040 {{m|Skull Bash}}
*TM041 {{m|Softboiled}}
*TM042 {{m|Dream Eater}}
*TM043 {{m|Sky Attack}}
*TM044 {{m|Rest}}
*TM045 {{m|Thunder Wave}}
*TM046 {{m|Psywave}}
*TM047 {{m|Explosion}}
*TM048 {{m|Rock Slide}}
*TM049 {{m|Tri Attack}}
*TM050 {{m|Substitute}}
*TM051 {{m|DynamicPunch}}
*TM052 {{m|Headbutt}}
*TM053 {{m|Curse}}
*TM054 {{m|Rollout}}
*TM055 {{m|Roar}}
*TM056 {{m|Zap Cannon}}
*TM057 {{m|Rock Smash}}
*TM058 {{m|Psych Up}}
*TM059 {{m|Hidden Power}}
*TM060 {{m|Sunny Day}}
*TM061 {{m|Sweet Scent}}
*TM062 {{m|Snore}}
*TM063 {{m|Icy Wind}}
*TM064 {{m|Protect}}
*TM065 {{m|Rain Dance}}
*TM066 {{m|Giga Drain}}
*TM067 {{m|Endure}}
*TM068 {{m|Frustration}}
*TM069 {{m|Iron Tail}}
*TM070 {{m|DragonBreath}}
*TM071 {{m|Return}}
*TM072 {{m|Shadow Ball}}
*TM073 {{m|Mud-Slap}}
*TM074 {{m|Ice Punch}}
*TM075 {{m|Swagger}}
*TM076 {{m|Sleep Talk}}
*TM077 {{m|Sludge Bomb}}
*TM078 {{m|Sandstorm}}
*TM079 {{m|Defense Curl}}
*TM080 {{m|ThunderPunch}}
*TM081 {{m|Detect}}
*TM082 {{m|Attract}}
*TM083 {{m|Thief}}
*TM084 {{m|Steel Wing}}
*TM085 {{m|Fire Punch}}
*TM086 {{m|Fury Cutter}}
*TM087 {{m|Nightmare}}
*TM088 {{m|Focus Punch}}
*TM089 {{m|Dragon Claw}}
*TM090 {{m|Water Pulse}}
*TM091 {{m|Calm Mind}}
*TM092 {{m|Hail}}
*TM093 {{m|Bulk Up}}
*TM094 {{m|Bullet Seed}}
*TM095 {{m|Taunt}}
*TM096 {{m|Light Screen}}
*TM097 {{m|Safeguard}}
*TM098 {{m|Brick Break}}
*TM099 {{m|Shock Wave}}
*TM100 {{m|Flamethrower}}
*TM101 {{m|Rock Tomb}}
*TM102 {{m|Aerial Ace}}
*TM103 {{m|Torment}}
*TM104 {{m|Facade}}
*TM105 {{m|Secret Power}}
*TM106 {{m|Skill Swap}}
*TM107 {{m|Snatch}}
*TM108 {{m|Overheat}}
*TM109 {{m|Roost}}
*TM110 {{m|Focus Blast}}
*TM111 {{m|Energy Ball}}
*TM112 {{m|False Swipe}}
*TM113 {{m|Brine}}
*TM114 {{m|Fling}}
*TM115 {{m|Charge Beam}}
*TM116 {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
*TM117 {{m|Drain Punch}}
*TM118 {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}
*TM119 {{m|Silver Wind}}
*TM120 {{m|Embargo}}
*TM121 {{m|Shadow Claw}}
*TM122 {{m|Payback}}
*TM123 {{m|Recycle}}
*TM124 {{m|Giga Impact}}
*TM125 {{m|Rock Polish}}
*TM126 {{m|Flash}}
*TM127 {{m|Stone Edge}}
*TM128 {{m|Avalanche}}
*TM129 {{m|Gyro Ball}}
*TM130 {{m|Stealth Rock}}
*TM131 {{m|Captivate}}
*TM132 {{m|Dark Pulse}}
*TM133 {{m|X-Scissor}}
*TM134 {{m|Natural Gift}}
*TM135 {{m|Poison Jab}}
*TM136 {{m|Grass Knot}}
*TM137 {{m|Pluck}}
*TM138 {{m|U-turn}}
*TM139 {{m|Flash Cannon}}
*TM140 {{m|Trick Room}}

140 TMs throughout the games! --[[User:JP585]]
:well thats pretty cool, but, whats the point? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well mainly it is for use for theoretical games....or for comic makers who want consistency throughout their stories. Personally I would use it for my comic (gonna make a character as a representative of a TM Factory).--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 04:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, at the least, it makes for a good piece of trivia. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It's an interesting list, certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Game Technical Machines ==

True, True. The national TM list good view of the totality of Technical Machines. Of course I did not include the TCG machines. They are not numbered 
*[[EX Hidden Legends (TCG)]]
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 84)|Ancient Technical Machine Ice]] - Ice Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 85)|Ancient Technical Machine Rock]] - Stone Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 86)|Ancient Technical Machine Steel]] - Steel Generator
*[[Skyridge (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/129-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere α] - Fire Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/130-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere β] - Freezing Force
** {{TCG ID|Skyridge|Miracle Sphere γ|131}} - Thunder Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/133-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate α] - Desert Burn
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/134-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate β] - Stone Crush
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/135-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate γ] - Retro Cave
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/136-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate δ] - Healing Oasis
*[[EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/079-aqua-tm.jpg Team Aqua TM 01] - Miracle
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/084-magma-tm.jpg Team Magma TM 01] - Crushing Magma
*[[Aquapolis (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/119-darkness01.jpg Darkness Cube 01] - Plunder
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/121-fighting01.jpg Fighting Cube 01] - Violent Rage
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/122-fire01.jpg Fire Cube 01] - Singe
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/124-grass01.jpg Grass Cube 01] - Sleep Poison
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/127-electric01.jpg Lightning Cube 01] - Discharge
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/129-metal01.jpg Metal Cube 01] - Metal Reversal
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/132-psychic01.jpg Psychic Cube 01] - Psy Confuse
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/140-water01.jpg Water Cube 01] - Splatter
*[[Expedition Base Set (TCG)]]
** {{TCG ID|Expedition|Multi Technical Machine 01|144}} -Paralyzing Gaze
*[[Pokémon VS (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm.shtml Falkner's TM01] - Quick Dive
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm2.shtml Falkner's TM02] - Slash Turn
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm.shtml Bugsy's TM01] - Fury Cutter
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm2.shtml Bugsy's TM02] - Super Drain
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm.shtml Whitney's TM01] - Shake
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm2.shtml Whitney's TM02] - Triple Slap
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm.shtml Morty's TM01] - Dream Eater
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm2.shtml Morty's TM02] - Recover
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm.shtml Jasmine's TM01] - Healing Flash
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm2.shtml Jasmine's TM02] - Thunder Bite
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm.shtml Chuck's TM01] - Dynamic Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm2.shtml Chuck's TM02] - Take Down
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm.shtml Pryce's TM01] - Blizzard
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm2.shtml Pryce's TM02] - Freeze Ray
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm.shtml Clair's TM01] - Dragon's Breath
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm2.shtml Clair's TM02] - Fry Beam
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm.shtml Janine's TM01] - Toxic
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm2.shtml Janine's TM02] - Poison Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm.shtml Will's TM01] 0
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm2.shtml Will's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm.shtml Bruno's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm2.shtml Bruno's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm.shtml Karen's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm2.shtml Karen's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/rockets_tm.shtml Rocket's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm.shtml Lance's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm2.shtml Lance's TM02]- Giant Tail
*Other
**[http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/altomare/18-altomare-cube.shtml Alto Mare Cube] - Dream Analysis
--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 05:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Mystery Dungeon ==

What about the other moves from Mystery Dungeon? --[[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:49, 21 April 2008 (GMT)

:I don't know what you mean. We have articles for {{m|Vacuum-Cut}}, etc.. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm talking about in this article...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Include Glitch TMs ==

Why not someone add in the Glitch TMs as well? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because real Pokémon game data and glitch/hack Pokémon game data ought not be mixed. In the Pokémon prev/next for Bulbasaur, it doesn't show Missingno. or 'M. They aren't real Pokémon just like the glitch TMs aren't real TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon that can't learn TMs==

Should we make a list of pokemon that cant learn TMs??

we were talking about it in the main page and [[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] told us to take it here instead; the list we have so far is: Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot, Beldum and Smeargle

if we are it should be completed first, also props go to; [[User:Mr._Charlie]],[[User:Jmvb]],[[User:EpicFail]] and[[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] for compiling the list so far --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 21:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there is anything missing, just add it yourself. With that said, I think we have them all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, someone else should put this into the page because I dont want to risk doing a bad edit of an article (never edited before)and would rather start with grammar/punctuation errors and not this kind of list
::also how do you change your signature --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 09:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's, um, already on the page. Signature changing is done in your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]; a basic howto guide for design is [[BP:SIG|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== TM Chart ==

I was really hoping to find a chart of all the TMs each Pokémon can learn. Having it all on one page would be helpful in deciding whom to use which TMs on. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by that? Each Pokémon has a list of moves that they can learn by TM on their page, and which Pokémon can learn a particular move by TM is listed on the move pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Buyable and Unbuyable TMs ==

There's no Information on the price of TMs.
We really need that information to know which TMs are replaceable and which TMs are "super-rare" irreplaceable. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind... --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Vulpix's energy ball ==

While a Vulpix that knows energy ball is a good example of a Pokémon which learns a TM move only through breeding in Generation IV, Vuplix and Ninetales can learn energy ball from TM53 in Generation V. Anyone know of an example which still works in Gen V?[[User:Chammy|Chammy]] 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Do you guys really think that there are no TMs in the show?! What if they never appear in the show or Ash and gang find and use them off screen?! Cause there is no way Ash's Herracross could know Hyper Beam or Sleep Talk without using a TM.{{unsigned|Mr.Char}}
:Until we actually see a TM (or hear about one) in the anime, we can't assume that they exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to above==
Actually, in season 1 Ash is seen trying to teach a tm to Pikachu. The tm appears to be a monitor with the attack on it. He tries to teach Pikachu mega punch I believe. This is either likely in the episode with the Mankeys or Diglets. I am unsure as to which. --[[User:WheatThins|WheatThins]] 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

The last section, "Returning TMs", needs to be updated for Gen V. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't get the fact that Sleep Talk and Psych Up have "remained their TM Status". Because Sleep Talk is not a TM in Gen V, and Psych Up is. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 09:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== TMs that (almost) everything can use ==

We already have a list of Pokemon that can't use any TMs. On the opposite end of things, should we have a list of TMs that *every* Pokemon can learn? (Minus those that can't use any of them and a few specific others, of course.)

I've actually put together a list for this. I'm pretty sure I've got everything.
*TM03 [gen II]: Curse
*TM06: Toxic
*TM10 [since gen II]: Hidden Power
*TM13 [gen II]: Snore
*TM17 [since gen II]: Protect (except for Regigigas)
*TM20 [gen II]/TM58 [gen IV]: Endure
*TM21 [since gen II]: Frustration
*TM27 [since gen II]: Return
*TM31 [gen I]: Mimic
*TM32: Double team
*TM34 [gen I]: Bide
*TM34 [gen II]/TM87 [gens IV and V]: Swagger
*TM35 [gen III]/TM82 [gen IV]: Sleep Talk
*TM42 [gens III and IV]: Facade
*TM43 [gens III and IV]: Secret Power
*TM44: Rest (except for Regigigas)
*TM45 [since gen II]: Attract (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew and Cryogonal)
*TM50 [gen I]/TM90 [gens IV and V]: Substitute
*TM78 [gen IV]: Captivate (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew)
*TM83 [gen IV]: Natural gift

[[User:Spudwalt|-Spudwalt]] 04:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Bringing this up once again... will we eventually do something related to TMs and HMs for the Mystery Dungeon series? I know the locations will be hard to come up with, but buy and sell prices should be somewhat simple, if not time consuming. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's already a space for them on the individual TM and HM pages. Parameters are locmdrb, pricemdrb, sellmdrb, locmdtds, pricemdtds, sellmdtds, locmdww, pricemdww and sellmdww. If there's anything which you know is the same across multiple existing MD games, the relevant parameters default to that specified by pricemd and sellmd. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, I'll look into it then. I was on Thunder's page and didn't see anything, so I wanted to ask just in case. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "No. <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

The Trivia section for this page is enormous and rather difficult to read. Should something be done about it? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Pokémon Move Compatibility ==

So, as I was seeing if I could update some TM move pages for Gen VI games, I noticed something incredibly useful. While in Cassius's PC, if you choose the "Organize Boxes" option, there's a little magnifying glass icon at the bottom. This allows you to search for Pokémon in your boxes that fulfill certain criteria. One of these criteria is "TMs & HMs". To quote the game, "You can check whether Pokémon can use the selected TM or HM." So, I'm going to run through the Pokémon that I have and try to update any TM/HM move pages that need some Gen VI love. However, I don't own even all of the Kalos Pokémon yet, much less the rest (some of which will have to wait until the Pokémon Bank launches next month anyway). So, if anyone wants to further edit the pages with their own Pokémon collection, feel free to do so. I just figured I'd let everyone know that they've made it amazingly easy to determine this compatibility in X and Y. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Incompatible Pokémon ==

Some Pokémon, like Wobbuffet cannot learn TMs, there are confusion between it can learn TMs and it cannot learn at all. Someone must check Pokémon pages whatever it can learn TMs or not. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say seeing as Wobbuffet's page clearly shows it being able to learn a move from TMs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll find more TMs later because Wobbuffet can learn TMs so I'll check on Pokémon Storage System on my game. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

== Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. ==

''Here are all of the TM moves exclusive to gen 1 only. I'd like permission to make this into its own full page please. Thank you.''

*'''TM02 Razor Wind''' - ''Normal'' - Butterfree, Pidgey, Zubat, Venomoth, Farfetch'd, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew.

*'''TM 07 Horn Drill''' - ''Normal'' - Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Tauros, Omastar, Dragonair/Dragonite, Mew.

*'''TM 09 Take Down''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Oddish, Paras, Venonat, Diglett, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Geodude, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Krabby, Voltorb, Exeggcute, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Goldeen, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Gyarados, Porygon, Omanyte, Kabuto, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 11 BubbleBeam''' - ''Water'' - Squirtle, Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Slowpoke, Seel, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Lapras, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 12 Water Gun''' - ''Water'' - Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Seel, Shellder, Krabby, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 16 Pay Day''' - ''Normal'' - Pikachu, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Psyduck, Mankey, Slowpoke, Seel, Rhydon, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 17 Submission''' - ''Fighting'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickintung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 20 Rage''' - ''Normal'' - All TM capable Pokemon.

*'''TM 21 Mega Drain''' - ''Grass'' - Bulbasaur, Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Zubat, Paras, Venonat, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Exeggutor, Mew.

*'''TM 23 Dragon Rage''' - ''Dragon'' - Growlithe, Arcanine, Lapras, Aerodactyl, Mew.

*'''TM 27 Fissure''' - ''Ground'' - Charizard, Blastoise, Ekans, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Poliwhirl, Machop (with Guts), Geodude, Slowpoke, Onix, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Kangaskhan, Tauros, Mew.

*'''TM 30 Teleport''' - ''Psychic'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venomoth, Arcanine, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Shellder, Drowzee, Voltorb, Exegcute, Chansey, Staryu, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 34 Bide''' - ''Normal'' - All TM capable Pokemon.

*'''TM 35 Metronome''' - ''Normal'' - Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Machop, Geodude, Gengar, Drowzee, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Mewtwo.

*'''TM 36 Selfdestruct''' - ''Normal'' - Grimer, Shellder, Gastly, Onix, Exeggcute, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 37 Egg Bomb''' - ''Normal'' - Exeggcute, Mew.

*'''TM 40 Skull Bash''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Beedrill, Rattata, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Paras, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Growlithe, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Seel, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Electrode, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Chansey, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee, Porygon, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

*'''TM 46 Psywave''' - ''Psychic'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venonat, Poliwag, Abra, Slowpoke, Drowzee, Exeggcute, Chansey, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Lapras, Porygon, Snorlax, Mew.

*'''TM 49 Tri Attack''' - ''Normal'' - Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Abra, Slowpoke, Shellder, Drowzee, Chansey, Staryu, Mewtwo, Mew.

Also, if anyone knows how to format this into chart form, please let me know or edit it for me. Thanks.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
:As far as I remember, people have always brought this up because of breeding. But people can see on the move pages exactly who can learn any given move and how. I don't see any real point to something like this. (And I could certainly be missing something, but I don't know how, for instance, {{m|Razor Wind}} is so different from something like {{m|Focus Punch}}, which also used to be a TM but is not currently. I have no idea why the Gen I TMs are the focus, at least here/above.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
::It's clearly meant to see which moves Pokémon can have in Gen 7 only via Poké Transfer from Gen 1 (other than Self-Destruct which was tutorable in XD). That said, I agree it's not needed in mainspace.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

== Generation 2 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 2. ==

''Here are all of the TM moves exclusive to generation 2 only. They can be used brought into the modern day games from the Virtual Console via Pokemon Bank.''

*'''TM01 DynamicPunch''' - ''Fighting'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Mankey, Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Grimer, Gengar, Drowzee, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Snorlax, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Typhlosion, Totodile, Sentret, Ledyba, Flaaffy, Marill, Sudowoodo, Politoed, Aipom, Wooper, Slowking, Snubbull, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Smoochum, Miltank, Blissey, Tyranitar.

*'''TM03 Curse''' - ''Ghost'' - All who can learn TMs can learn Curse.

*'''TM04 Rollout''' - ''Rock'' - Squirtle, Pikachu, Clefairy, Magnemite, Exeggcute, Koffing, Rhyhorn, Chansey, Chansey, Kabuto, Mew, Sentret, Ledyba, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Wooper, Pineco, Dunsparce, Teddiursa, Corsola, Phanpy.

*'''TM 07 Zap Cannnon''' - ''Electric'' - ''Pikachu'', Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Abra, Slowpoke, Grimer, Gastly, Drowzee, ''Voltorb'', Koffing, Rhyhorn, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Staryu, Mr. Mime, ''Electabuzz'', Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, ''Jolteon'', Flareon, Snorlax, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew, ''Chinchou'', ''Pichu'', Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Snubbull, Teddiursa, ''Elekid'', Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Lugia, Ho-Oh.

*'''TM12 Sweet Scent''' - ''Normal'' - Butterfree, Beedrill, Venonat, Tangela, Jynx, Mew, Ledyba, Hoppip, Pineco, Smoochum, Miltank, Celebi.

*'''TM19 Giga Drain''' - ''Grass'' - Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Mew, Chikorita, Ledyba, Spinarak, Natu, Yanma, Pineco, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

*'''TM20 Endure''' - ''Normal'' - All who can learn TMs can learn Endure.

*'''TM23 Iron Tail''' - ''Steel'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Rattata, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Psyduck, Mankey, Abra, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Farfetch'd, Cubone, Lickitung, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Electabuzz, Tauros, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Porygon, Aerodactyl, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Pichu, Cleffa, Marill, Aipom, Wooper, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Gligar, Granbull, Sneasel, Houndour, Phanpy, Porygon2, Stantler, Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia.

*'''TM24 Dragonbreath''' - ''Dragon'' - Charmander, Growlithe, Gyarados, Lapras, Mew, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh.

*'''TM31 Mud-Slap''' - ''Ground'' - Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Machop, Geodude, Slowpoke, Doduo, Onix, Krabby, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Porygon, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Sentret, Hoothoot, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Marill, Sudowoodo, Aipom, Wooper, Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Slowking, Girafarig, Steelix, Snubbull, Shuckle, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Slugma, Corsola, Remoraid, Delibird, Mantine, Skarmory, Houndour, Phanpy, Stantler, Miltank, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Blissey, Smoochum, Elekid, Magby, Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Larvitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

*'''TM39 Swift''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Pikachu, Vulpix, Venonat, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Growlithe, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Shellder, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Horsea, Goldeen, Scyther, Porygon, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mew, Sentret, Hoothoot, Pichu, Togepi, Natu, Mareep, Marill, Yanma, Murkrow, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Gligar, Qwilfish, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Remoraid, Delibird, Mantine, Houndour, Stantler, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Celebi.

*'''TM40 Defense Curl''' - ''Normal'' - Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Rattata, Pikachu, Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Meowth, Mankey, Poliwag, Mew, Pichu, Cleffa, Togepi, Mareep, Hoppip, Aipom, Wooper, Misdreavus, Pineco, Snubbull, Qwilfish, Shuckle, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Slugma, Swinub, Corsola, Remoraid, Celebi.

*'''TM43 Detect''' - ''Fighting'' - Pidgey, Spearow, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Meowth, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Machop, Farfetch'd, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Scyther, Electabuzz, Magmar, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Sentret, Hoothoot, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Natu, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Gligar, Snubbull, Heracross, Sneasel, Swinub, Delibird, Skarmory, Houndour, Stantler, Tyrogue, Elekid, Magby, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Larvitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

*'''TM49 Fury Cutter''' - ''Bug'' - Bulbasaur, Charmander, Beedrill, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Golduck, Golem, Slowbro, Krabby, Rhydon, Kangaskhan, Pinsir, Kabutops, Dragonite, Mew, Bayleef, Quilava, Croconaw, Sentret, Aipom, Slowking, Heracross, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Tyranitar.

*'''TM50 Nightmare''' - ''Ghost'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Abra, Slowpoke, Gastly, Drowzee, Exeggcute, Lickitung, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Lapras, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew, Hoothoot, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Natu, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Sneasel, Houndour, Porygon2, Stantler, Smoochum, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi.

Talk:Silph Co.

2017-07-22T06:29:44Z

Mcheetah: /* Quickest Route Through Silph Co. (Gen 1 & 3) */

==Overhaul==
I just made a big overhaul of this page. I'll add links tomorrow hopefully. [[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]] 03:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== In the anime ==

In which episode did it happen? Isn't only speculation to say that tha place is, in fact, Silph Co. only because of the warp tiles? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

==Charon's History with Silph==
Isn't that just speculation? The trivia states it like it's a confirmed fact. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I think it should be worded a little more tentatively as well, although Charon having a diary in the Silph building can't really be interpreted any other way...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

The logo on the Pokégear, is that the logo of the company? If it is, is there are way we can get a scan of it? And put it in the article?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS: Rotom Appliances! ==

Rotom can make the elevator work, and it takes you to a room where the Appliances are. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLWyK_YaU4 I even have a video!]

Hope this gets annexed into the page. (I'm not sure how it should be annexed, so it's up to you, peeps.) '''[[User:SharKing|SharKing]] [[User talk:SharKing|Productions]]''' 01:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Upon closer inspection, it's already there. Whoops. '''[[User:SharKing|SharKing]] [[User talk:SharKing|Productions]]''' 01:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Ether ==

I found an Ether on the fifth floor in the left tree in the Japanese version of Red. I don't know if it's altered in the English releases or something, but it's there in the original. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 22:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and the Lapras I got is Lv. 15. Are you guys sure it's Lv. 25 in the English releases? [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 22:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, it turns out I haven't picked up it in my Green version yet, so I could make a photo. Also, I checked my English Red, and nothing was there, but there was an Elixer in the right tree. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 16:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC) http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x294/Krisipoke/ether.jpg
:::Wait, it IS an Elixer... But it's in the other tree. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 21:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== 7th floor Rival Pokémon ==

When I met my rival on the 7th floor, my team was wiped out by his Charizard, which apparently knew {{tt|Flamethrower|And in the article, it says it has Ember.}}. Shouldn't it be changed? [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] 14:24, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:Just found out it also knows Wingattack. [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] 20:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::Which game? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the Rival pokemon listed for at least Red/Blue probably should be fully checked. If he has a Gyarados, it knows Hydro Pump, which is not listed. This is an under-level move as Gyarados shouldn't learn it until 41 in RB. --[[User:PagodaGiftShop|PagodaGiftShop]] 15:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

==Rival's Pidgeot==

I'm going through my Firered version, and I just faced my rival. His Pidgeot knew Featherdance, but it's not in his move box on the page. Can someone else check up on this to make sure it wasn't a glitch? {{unsigned|Tmeyer16}}
:His Venusaur also knew Sleep Powder. {{unsigned|Tmeyer16}}

== Map description ==

Miss a map description from FRLG, like the other landmarks in these games. --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 23:00, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
:It's not counted as a landmark, hence no description. In both FRLG and HGSS, it seems. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 14:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

== Sylph/Silph ==

...if it's Japanese name is Sylph, then it should show Sylph in the part of infobox with Japanese name and have Silph being shown when mouse cursor is over it (via the Tt template). Currently, it's the reverse of what I think it should be{{tt|.|inb4 wrong}} [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 14:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
:It's like that because it is officially romanized as Silph (see [[Media:Game Freak Hitmonlee poster.png|here]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

== Warp Tile Chart? ==

Is there a map that shows which each warp tile connects to? Like Point A to A, B to B, C to C, etc? I think it would make it much easier to know how to navigate the building, and for example, get to Lapras on the 7th floor. {{unsigned|‎Mcheetah}}
:Bulbapedia's mainspace is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough or guide. If you want that, you can consult [[Appendix:Red and Blue walkthrough/Section 10#Liberate Silph Co.!|the Appendix namespace]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::That's not really right. We do it for the Gyms with teleporter puzzles because it IS useful. Silph Co. is a little different, though, simply because it's such a big place and has so many teleporters.
::If anyone has any bright ideas, we'd be glad to hear of them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Quickest Route Through Silph Co. (Gen 1 & 3) ==

1. Go up to the ninth floor and head to the teleporter on the southeast corner of the floor. This will take you to the fifth floor.

2. Grab the card key in the southern hallway of the fifth floor and then head down to the third floor.

3. Use the card key to head to the warp tile in the center of the room on the third floor. This will take you to the seventh floor.

4. Warp to the seventh floor and fight your rival.

5. Take the warp tile to the eleventh floor to then fight Giovanni.

If you need to rest, go to the guest suites on floor nine's southwest corner.

Talk:Silph Co.

2017-07-22T06:27:18Z

Mcheetah: /* Quickest Route Through Silph Co. (Gen 1 & 3) */

Talk:Silph Co.

2017-07-22T06:25:29Z

Mcheetah: /* Quickest Route Through Silph Co. (Gen 1 & 3) */ new section

==Overhaul==
I just made a big overhaul of this page. I'll add links tomorrow hopefully. [[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]] 03:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== In the anime ==

In which episode did it happen? Isn't only speculation to say that tha place is, in fact, Silph Co. only because of the warp tiles? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

==Charon's History with Silph==
Isn't that just speculation? The trivia states it like it's a confirmed fact. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I think it should be worded a little more tentatively as well, although Charon having a diary in the Silph building can't really be interpreted any other way...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

The logo on the Pokégear, is that the logo of the company? If it is, is there are way we can get a scan of it? And put it in the article?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS: Rotom Appliances! ==

Rotom can make the elevator work, and it takes you to a room where the Appliances are. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLWyK_YaU4 I even have a video!]

Hope this gets annexed into the page. (I'm not sure how it should be annexed, so it's up to you, peeps.) '''[[User:SharKing|SharKing]] [[User talk:SharKing|Productions]]''' 01:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Upon closer inspection, it's already there. Whoops. '''[[User:SharKing|SharKing]] [[User talk:SharKing|Productions]]''' 01:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Ether ==

I found an Ether on the fifth floor in the left tree in the Japanese version of Red. I don't know if it's altered in the English releases or something, but it's there in the original. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 22:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and the Lapras I got is Lv. 15. Are you guys sure it's Lv. 25 in the English releases? [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 22:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, it turns out I haven't picked up it in my Green version yet, so I could make a photo. Also, I checked my English Red, and nothing was there, but there was an Elixer in the right tree. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 16:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC) http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x294/Krisipoke/ether.jpg
:::Wait, it IS an Elixer... But it's in the other tree. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 21:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== 7th floor Rival Pokémon ==

When I met my rival on the 7th floor, my team was wiped out by his Charizard, which apparently knew {{tt|Flamethrower|And in the article, it says it has Ember.}}. Shouldn't it be changed? [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] 14:24, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:Just found out it also knows Wingattack. [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] 20:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::Which game? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the Rival pokemon listed for at least Red/Blue probably should be fully checked. If he has a Gyarados, it knows Hydro Pump, which is not listed. This is an under-level move as Gyarados shouldn't learn it until 41 in RB. --[[User:PagodaGiftShop|PagodaGiftShop]] 15:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

==Rival's Pidgeot==

I'm going through my Firered version, and I just faced my rival. His Pidgeot knew Featherdance, but it's not in his move box on the page. Can someone else check up on this to make sure it wasn't a glitch? {{unsigned|Tmeyer16}}
:His Venusaur also knew Sleep Powder. {{unsigned|Tmeyer16}}

== Map description ==

Miss a map description from FRLG, like the other landmarks in these games. --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 23:00, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
:It's not counted as a landmark, hence no description. In both FRLG and HGSS, it seems. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 14:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

== Sylph/Silph ==

...if it's Japanese name is Sylph, then it should show Sylph in the part of infobox with Japanese name and have Silph being shown when mouse cursor is over it (via the Tt template). Currently, it's the reverse of what I think it should be{{tt|.|inb4 wrong}} [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 14:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
:It's like that because it is officially romanized as Silph (see [[Media:Game Freak Hitmonlee poster.png|here]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

== Warp Tile Chart? ==

Is there a map that shows which each warp tile connects to? Like Point A to A, B to B, C to C, etc? I think it would make it much easier to know how to navigate the building, and for example, get to Lapras on the 7th floor. {{unsigned|‎Mcheetah}}
:Bulbapedia's mainspace is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough or guide. If you want that, you can consult [[Appendix:Red and Blue walkthrough/Section 10#Liberate Silph Co.!|the Appendix namespace]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::That's not really right. We do it for the Gyms with teleporter puzzles because it IS useful. Silph Co. is a little different, though, simply because it's such a big place and has so many teleporters.
::If anyone has any bright ideas, we'd be glad to hear of them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Quickest Route Through Silph Co. (Gen 1 & 3) ==

1. Go up to the ninth floor and head to the teleporter on the southeast corner of the floor. This will take you to the fifth floor.

2. Grab the card key in the southern hallway of the floor and then head to the third floor.

3. Use the card key to head to the warp tile in the center of the room on the third floor. This will take you to the seventh floor.

4. Warp to the seventh floor and fight your rival.

5. Take the warp tile to the eleventh floor to then fight Giovanni.

Talk:Poké Transporter

2017-07-10T09:02:54Z

Mcheetah: /* Generation One Pokemon Transfer */ new section

== B/W? ==

Does anyone know if this will be exclusive to B2/W2 or will it include original B/W? [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 01:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:BW is mentioned as well, so it will be included. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 02:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::Sweet. Thank you. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 02:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Stardom ==

Does anyone know if pokemon that achieve 'cult star' status at Pokestar Studios will keep their entrance sparkle in X/Y? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 18:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
:I am not sure that is related to the Poké Transporter. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 15:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
::I've heard reports that the Pokéstar Studios and N's Pokémon entry animations no longer occur. I don't have a Japanese game though, so I haven't tested this myself. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:47, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Sorry if this is old news, but I can confirm that the Pokéstar Studios entry animation is gone. Tested this by sending out my Wynaut against a wild Flabébé. In Black 2, my Wynaut had the animation. In Y, nothing. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

== Names of transferred Pokémon ==

Something that the article doesn't seem to note yet: Transporter fixes the all-uppercase names of unnicknamed Pokémon from Gen III and IV to proper case. Not sure where to put that without it looking like a random statement, though, so I'll let someone else decide. '''[[User:Soulweaver|Soulweaver]]''' ([[User talk:Soulweaver|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Soulweaver|edits]]) 19:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

== Pokédex trivia ==

after using Poké Transporter, I discovered that the symbol that marks a completed Pokédex entry, instead of being the Kalos symbol, will be a the National Pokédex symbol (a Pokéball) if, and only if, using Poké Transporter got you the Pokémon species in question, or evolving a Pokémon that was transferred gets you the entry. This symbol can be upgraded to the Kalos symbol by catching or evolving a native-to-Kalos Pokémon of the species, as well as hatching one. I tested this with Aron. I initially got the entry by transfering, then I hatched one that was laid by a Lairon I had. --[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] ([[User talk:KinCryos|talk]]) 22:50, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
:Makes sense, and I confirm. The logo for the National Dex is the red/white Poké Ball, so entries exclusive to it would be marked as such...wait, I just went over to [[Pokédex]], someone stated that the National Dex icon is the combo of the three regional Dex icons... [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:52, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

== Pokédex Completion ==

Does anyone happen to know how the Pokédex in XY is marked with regard to imports from Bank? Specifically, I know the somewhere in the line, the Dex gets marked as Caught, but I don't know if the game or if Bank does it, and if Bank does, what conditions need to be met (transferred to XY by save, was in an XY box during the "transaction" (could be removed later in the same transaction), was in full Bank system, etc). Hopefully (for Ninty and our game carts) it is one of the two latter possibilities, because then one could do mass Dex filling in a single transaction, reducing both server load and flash writes (to either SD, cart, or NAND(?)). [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:48, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you're referring to. I finished my dex today, so I could potentially answer your question but...I don't understand. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:52, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:Edit: Oh. Yup. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::So it is clarified for other people, I'm wondering when the game's Pokédex is updated to indicate Pokémon as having been caught. There are only two/three possibilities for when the actual Dex is updated on the save file (save/exit from Bank, save of XY, or load of XY), but if it is Bank which updates the dex, there are a number of possibilities as to how (see old post for list). The thing is, a couple of the possibilities could result in the game's Dex having Pokémon marked as having been caught, without keeping them on the savefile for a period of time. I think I might link this discussion from the Bank talkpage as well, as it seems to be more related to Bank, or even with Bank and 2 GenVI games. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 01:02, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Arceus ==
In my own experience, which is backed up by the experiences of those on external forums, the TRU Arceus cannot be transferred. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 15:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:I'd actually like to see a list started on the Transporter page for 'legit' Pokémon that can't be transferred. I can already confirm that any Shaymin or Darkrai caught from Japanese Diamond/Pearl (via the surf-into-the-void bug) won't go through since they aren't tagged with "fateful encounter". I've read that Azure Flute Arceus won't go either. I know all those are technically 'cheated' but it'd be good to know. One non-cheated that I'm yet to confirm myself but that I've heard is blocked is the Gen3 Mystery Mew that they handed out at TRU back in 2006. I'm gonna test the Journey Across America Celebi and all of the event ticket Pokémon from Gen3 soon for myself, since I have access to them. They're all still in my Gen3 games, though, so I need to set aside some time to do a lot of transferring. There's plenty of others I'd like to get confirmed, too, like pretty much all event handouts (since TRU Arceus won't transfer, which is a BIG disappointment).[[User:Shugo|Shugo]] ([[User talk:Shugo|talk]]) 08:34, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
::I just checked both the Arceus I have in my X version. One of them was actually from my Diamond version which I got through use of the Azure Flute. My other was obtained in White through the [[List_of_Pokémon_Global_Link_promotions/Pokémon#Arceus|PGL promotion]]. I honestly haven't had any issues transferring Pokémon at all. My Azure Flute Arceus is the only "hacked" Pokémon that I've ever transferred. The rest are banished to my Diamond version, never to be removed. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I've heard Hayley's Phione won't go through either. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Uh oh, I wonder if that means Hayley's Mew won't work either. Ranch is the only legit in-game way to get an English Mew as of now, and if that's blocked then there's only a couple distributed Mews left for us poor English users.[[User:Shugo|Shugo]] ([[User talk:Shugo|talk]]) 10:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Personally, if a handful of event PkMn are being blocked, I believe the issue should be brought up with Ninty/GF. If someone can assemble a list of known problems, Nintendo or GameFreak (I don't know who configures etc. the servers, or if it is a client-side block) can work to fix the problem. I might do a event transfer at some point (using the GenV GTS exploit to send the ones I lost to my W2, since my Black's EEPROM died on me along with most of my prized collection), I'll note other events which don't go through. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC) (note to self: back up Pt/SS/W2 before those chips die too)
::::::I've been told Hayley's Mew is fine. ALso, should have mentioned this earlier, but it has been widely reported that Shiny Jirachi is prohibited. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
(resetting indent) I can't get any variation of shaymin or arceus to transfer. What I've noticed is that some people's banks seem to differ on what they think is hacked. For example, one of my friends was able to transfer 6IV Dittos to Gen 6, and I had the exact same .pkm file for that ditto, and it didn't pass. Sometimes a .pkm on one game will register as hacked, and if you trade it to another bank passes it. I do agree with TruePikachu though, GF needs to fix this.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 03:12, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
:I have a Shaymin transferred, though, let me check which one...[[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 03:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
::TRU Shaymin, and realised that Bank might be databasing PIDs so that clones aren't let on. No idea if there is a whitelist for events, someone should confirm. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 03:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
:::And to think that they're letting Shiny Zekroms and Reshirams through. It would seem odd for them to database PIDs, because there's a fairly narrow spectrum of PIDs for event pokemon if I remember correctly, especially those with invariable natures.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 03:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
::::Which is why there would be a whitelist for events. But now I'm not so sure they are doing so, someone should probably contact Nintendo. I guess I'll see if I'm able to. I don't expect them to share the details about the algorithm, but they might check it to make sure it is actually working as intended. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 03:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::You're probably trying to send non-fateful encounter Shaymin through, which are always illegitimate and known to be prohibited. I highly doubt the game prevents duplicate PIDs going through, and that there is any difference between people's Pokémon Transporter checks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::Believe it or not, they actually were fateful-encounter ones. I tried a TRU and an Oblivia Shaymin. Neither worked. It' really weird how some legit pokemon can't pass but some really badly done hacks can pass. As I said before though, some banks pass different things for some strange reason. It really ticks me off. While we're at it though, considering this is a pretty prominent issue, should we add some details to the page about it?----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::::You can in the meantime, but I'm waiting for a response from TPCi or someone. I not only mentioned that some events weren't going through, but I also mentioned a case where a hacked PkMn ''did'' go through (I am not elaborating on this here). I also sent a link to this page, but don't expect them to reply here. However, if they do discover that there was indeed a problem, the edits could become incorrect and be removed later. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 22:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
(resetting indent again) I can confirm that the TRU Mystery Mew (mentioned near the beginning of this comment thread) is indeed blocked. Possibly because its SID is 0. [[User:Rycr|Rycr]] ([[User talk:Rycr|talk]]) 09:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
:Indeed I can confirm that legitimately obtained (special event) TRU arcues is tansferable. I can also personally confirm the 2006 TRU mew is transferable. I realize people have already confirmed this, but I figure the more confimation from seperate sources is best in this case. [[User:Icestar649|Icestar649]] ([[User talk:Icestar649|talk]]) 13:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
::Wait so which is it? Mystery Mew blocked or not? I still haven't had the chance to check myself. I do have five legitimate ones actually obtained at the TRU event, currently sitting in my Pokémon Box. (That was fun; I got four friends to wait in line with me.)
::I think what might be going on here is something going wrong with Pokémon obtained via injected PKM. The games keep lots of hidden records, including data on when and how Pokémon are met. Maybe Transporter checks more than just the Pokémon itself; perhaps it checks with the save file to see how that Pokémon arrived in the game. It would make sense of what BigBadBatter said about how his Ditto imported from a PKM file wouldn't work but it did for his friend. It's possible his friend's game created a record of that Ditto arriving "legitimately" through a trade whereas his own game had no such record due to being imported directly. It might also explain why some event Pokémon seem blocked, since those are very commonly imported through hacking. Someone on /vp/ was giving away a TRU Arceus, and he confirmed to me that TRU Arceus is not blocked, contrary to many reports. The reports likely stem from the possible issue I just outlined.[[User:Shugo|Shugo]] ([[User talk:Shugo|talk]]) 07:01, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
:::I'm Pokedit's Head Moderater and a .pkm legality specialist, and I can say this, the game keeps no such records. When and how they were met is in the .pkm's memo data, and can be easily edited. I have passed a lot of injected and edited .pkm files, because all the parameters were legal. All the event pokemon I've attempted to get in were completely unedited, and 100% legal (used pokecheck to confirm this, but don't have a link to the .pkm, sorry). I've also recently tested with another friend identical Arceus and Shaymin .pkms. Theirs passed and mine didn't. Remember that really badly hacked pokemon have been able to pass bank, whilst some legit ones can't. I say it's just really bad programming on GF's part. Also Shugo, I am a girl XD----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
::::I meant the other details that the game apparently keeps regarding Pokémon, unless that's also kept in the PKM. (I don't know much about the PKM format.) I recall there being a guy in Black/White you could talk to who would tell you a bunch of extra details about a Pokémon, like what Pokémon fought it before it was caught or who it was traded from (even if that person isn't the OT). I can't remember where in the game he is, though. That made me think that the game keeps extra hidden data on a Pokémon. Surely there must be ''some'' reason for why the same Pokémon doesn't pass for some people but does for others. It can't just be 'bad programming'; I can't think of how they'd mess up creating a simple set of checks, checks that should be the same for everybody. Something must be tripping the checks for one person but not the other, and I'm thinking it's the person's game. If you have the ability, could you try trading one of these Pokémon that won't pass (but will for your friends) to another of your games and then attempting to transfer? If that doesn't work then my theory weakens.
::::For the record, though, I'm not denying that it could be Transporter actually being terrible. I just find it unlikely. [[User:Shugo|Shugo]] ([[User talk:Shugo|talk]]) 21:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::All of the stuff's kept in the .pkm except base stats, sprites and cry. I have traded between games, and that doesn't work either. However, I asked pokemon support about it and they said that "some pokemon cannot be transferred from certain games, and which pokemon can or cannot be tranferred depends on the settings of each game". Oddly enough though, I tried last night to pass an Arceus and Shaymin I made with the PokEdit app as a last resort and they passed. It's weird to say the least.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

== Modifications to transferred would-be shiny Pokémon ==

Previously a Pokemon would be shiny if the shiny formula would result in a Color ID between 0 and 7 inclusive (Color ID / CID, I refer to it by this name for simplicity sake), but as of X/Y the CID can be a number anywhere from 0 to 15 inclusive for the Pokemon to be shiny.
My question is how would the Poke Transporter deal with Pokemon whose CID is a number between 8 and 15 inclusive, would they become shiny upon transfer or would they be locked into non-shiny ? I personally expect the latter to happens, and if the latter would evolution cancel the non-shininess ? Regards. [[User:Flare drive 2|Flare drive 2]] ([[User talk:Flare drive 2|talk]]) 18:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:By all means, try it and find out. But most likely no one around here knows the answer, and discussing what we "expect" is just pointless speculation. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
::Well, that would have been the first thing I would have done if not due to the fact that I got no Pokemon games from Gen V and prior, hence why I asked here. [[User:Flare drive 2|Flare drive 2]] ([[User talk:Flare drive 2|talk]]) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

==Legit, yet un-tranferrable==

Just curious, but could someone help me figure out why my Entei from Firered can't be transferred? The other beasts transferred just fine, so I'm stumped.[[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 07:58, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

== What is meant by this? ==

"If it was unnicknamed, and from another language game, it will no longer count as being a foreign-language Pokémon."
As far as I can tell this is wrong. I have tonnes of unnicknamed foreign pokemon that still show up as foreign and unlock the dex entry. Unless it means it doesn't count for masuda? [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 12:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:[[Special:Diff/Poké Transporter/2108386|I have no idea what Pikachu Bros. meant]], but if they can clarify it here, we can try to reword it. Obviously as it stood, it didn't make much sense at all. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 13:37, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

== Cost ==

Does this cost money to use? I know Pokemon bank does, but is this different?

[[User:GavinSlavin|GavinSlavin]] ([[User talk:GavinSlavin|talk]]) 01:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
:It's in the article....

:''As a part of Pokémon Bank, the player must have a valid pass in order to use Poké Transporter.''
--[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 08:00, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

== Legality Checking and the Mew Glitch ==

I would like to question if Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are truly banned from being transferred or if a detail had been missed. For example, we know that a Mew without an OT of GF and an ID of 22796 cannot be transferred. However, there are Mew that are checked and can be transferred. Same for the starters, though with less restrictions. In the case of using the Mew Glitch without an attack modifier move, the resulting Pokémon is set to Level 7. While this would work for Pokémon like Mr.Mime that do not evolve, it does not work for the starters as it makes them underleveled. They would need to be at least past Level 35 before they would no longer be considered to be underleveled, something that might be checked to consider if a Pokémon is legal or not.

To get to my point, has anyone tested transferring a Level 100 starter obtained from the Mew Glitch or any other evolved Pokémon that cannot be underleveled in Generation I without use of the Mew Glitch? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:22, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

== Location Data: RSE vs ORAS ==

I'm just wondering. Since, after the poké transporter transfer is done, Pokémon from Red, Blue, and Yellow will have the text 'Kanto in the good old days' added to the end (whereas FireRed/LeafGreen will just say 'Kanto') is this the same case for Hoenn games as well ('Hoenn in the good old days' for Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald vs just 'Hoenn' in ORAS)? [[User:Pokemonred200|Pokemonred200]] ([[User talk:Pokemonred200|talk]]) 11:55, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nope, they're both just displayed as "Hoenn". You can tell them apart due to the [[blue pentagon]] on ORAS Pokémon though (which is now black). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:35, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

== Alola Forms ==

How does evolving Pokémon with Alolan variants work after using this? If you transfer, say, an Exeggcute to Sun or Moon from a Generation VI game and then evolve it, will it evolve into a normal Exeggutor or an Alolan Exeggutor? - [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 09:48, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:In Alola, all Exeggcute evolve into Alolan Exeggutor. Kantonian Vulpix still evolve into Kantonian Ninetales though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:09, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::Sould we add this to the article? - [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 10:22, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::It's not relevant to this article. Even Pokémon withdrawn directly from Pokémon Bank that were deposited by a Generation VI game, or bred in the Alola region, work the same way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== Gen VII "modifications made" description error ==

"in Generation VII, the level obtained at and date obtained are removed from Pokémon obtained in previous generations."

IMHO I think this is phrased incorrectly. The met date is changed to date transferred,
and met level is changed to level transferred, but while not visible from gaming standpoint,
it still yields the data; technically changed, not removed (I can see the transfer data in PKHeX)

I think the only field that is actually removed,
is this pesky [https://projectpokemon.org/wiki/Pokemon_Save_Structure#Encounter_Types encounter type] field used in Gen 4 (trash bytes past gen 4),
that IIRC is now used to store the "hyper training" data as bitflags.
theSLAYER ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Theslayer talk]) 06:55, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
:I've reworded this line to something more precisely accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

== Generation One Pokemon Transfer ==

Is there any way of knowing or predicting which Pokemon from Red, Blue, and Yellow will show up as when transfer them, such as what genders they'll be, their abilities, their natures, etc.

I just want a No Guard male Machop with Fissure transferred from Pokemon Red, but I have no way of knowing which one will have No Guard or be male.

Talk:Silph Co.

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Mcheetah: /* Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. */

Greengiant, I put the games for a reason so people would know what games they are in. Yes I know they can click on the Gen links but trust me it looked better the way I had it. Thanks for linking the moves, though. Also, you didn't need to get rid of the Move Tutors link I had. Don't overedit.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 00:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris, with all due respect, I don't believe he's overediting. The names of the games are redundant with respect to what generation they're found in. So long as you link to the generation, a user can figure out the games in it. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I know what you're saying with how the differences between FireRed and LeafGreen can confuse things so you wanted to clarify. I didn't notice that before, but I think now that there might be a simpler way to say it, I'm just not sure how. I also didn't mean to remove the Move Tutors link, sorry about that. -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Just a thought - perhaps, for organizational purposes, we should turn the three lists into one big chart? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== potrayal ==

I really think the artical should include info on the looks of TMs, from the box thingys from the TCG to the modern disk shape (I also seem to recall them appearing in special as something else entirely). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember a Pokémon manga where they appeared as boxes (in a simpler style than the TCG ones, which came later). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::acctualy, thinking about, I'm not exactly sure it was special. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it was seen used against the Eevee Brothers, which would make it the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga... Eevee learned... Mimic, was it? Let it copy Jolteon's move, I think. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== TM Pages ==
For TMs that have not changed their move from generation to generation, I've begun changing the articles, since they aren't really referential to the move itself. The current format is ''TMs vary between generations. However, TMXX is (move) in every generation to date.'' -- I have switched this to ''TMXX has contained the move (MOVE) in every generation to date.'', because I feel the note that TMs vary between generations is both superfluous and misleading if the TM in question hasn't varied between generations. That statement would be better suited for this article. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rock Smash and Flash ==

In the trivia section, is it worth noting that these moves have been both TM and HM moves at some point? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Theoretical National TM List ==

I made a theoretical national TM list. I concatenated each regions TM list (in order), then removed duplicates. What I got was the following:

*TM001 {{m|Mega Punch}}
*TM002 {{m|Razor Wind}}
*TM003 {{m|Swords Dance}}
*TM004 {{m|Whirlwind}}
*TM005 {{m|Mega Kick}}
*TM006 {{m|Toxic}}
*TM007 {{m|Horn Drill}}
*TM008 {{m|Body Slam}}
*TM009 {{m|Take Down}}
*TM010 {{m|Double-Edge}}
*TM011 {{m|BubbleBeam}}
*TM012 {{m|Water Gun}}
*TM013 {{m|Ice Beam}}
*TM014 {{m|Blizzard}}
*TM015 {{m|Hyper Beam}}
*TM016 {{m|Pay Day}}
*TM017 {{m|Submission}}
*TM018 {{m|Counter}}
*TM019 {{m|Seismic Toss}}
*TM020 {{m|Rage}}
*TM021 {{m|Mega Drain}}
*TM022 {{m|SolarBeam}}
*TM023 {{m|Dragon Rage}}
*TM024 {{m|Thunderbolt}}
*TM025 {{m|Thunder}}
*TM026 {{m|Earthquake}}
*TM027 {{m|Fissure}}
*TM028 {{m|Dig}}
*TM029 {{m|Psychic}}
*TM030 {{m|Teleport}}
*TM031 {{m|Mimic}}
*TM032 {{m|Double Team}}
*TM033 {{m|Reflect}}
*TM034 {{m|Bide}}
*TM035 {{m|Metronome}}
*TM036 {{m|Selfdestruct}}
*TM037 {{m|Egg Bomb}}
*TM038 {{m|Fire Blast}}
*TM039 {{m|Swift}}
*TM040 {{m|Skull Bash}}
*TM041 {{m|Softboiled}}
*TM042 {{m|Dream Eater}}
*TM043 {{m|Sky Attack}}
*TM044 {{m|Rest}}
*TM045 {{m|Thunder Wave}}
*TM046 {{m|Psywave}}
*TM047 {{m|Explosion}}
*TM048 {{m|Rock Slide}}
*TM049 {{m|Tri Attack}}
*TM050 {{m|Substitute}}
*TM051 {{m|DynamicPunch}}
*TM052 {{m|Headbutt}}
*TM053 {{m|Curse}}
*TM054 {{m|Rollout}}
*TM055 {{m|Roar}}
*TM056 {{m|Zap Cannon}}
*TM057 {{m|Rock Smash}}
*TM058 {{m|Psych Up}}
*TM059 {{m|Hidden Power}}
*TM060 {{m|Sunny Day}}
*TM061 {{m|Sweet Scent}}
*TM062 {{m|Snore}}
*TM063 {{m|Icy Wind}}
*TM064 {{m|Protect}}
*TM065 {{m|Rain Dance}}
*TM066 {{m|Giga Drain}}
*TM067 {{m|Endure}}
*TM068 {{m|Frustration}}
*TM069 {{m|Iron Tail}}
*TM070 {{m|DragonBreath}}
*TM071 {{m|Return}}
*TM072 {{m|Shadow Ball}}
*TM073 {{m|Mud-Slap}}
*TM074 {{m|Ice Punch}}
*TM075 {{m|Swagger}}
*TM076 {{m|Sleep Talk}}
*TM077 {{m|Sludge Bomb}}
*TM078 {{m|Sandstorm}}
*TM079 {{m|Defense Curl}}
*TM080 {{m|ThunderPunch}}
*TM081 {{m|Detect}}
*TM082 {{m|Attract}}
*TM083 {{m|Thief}}
*TM084 {{m|Steel Wing}}
*TM085 {{m|Fire Punch}}
*TM086 {{m|Fury Cutter}}
*TM087 {{m|Nightmare}}
*TM088 {{m|Focus Punch}}
*TM089 {{m|Dragon Claw}}
*TM090 {{m|Water Pulse}}
*TM091 {{m|Calm Mind}}
*TM092 {{m|Hail}}
*TM093 {{m|Bulk Up}}
*TM094 {{m|Bullet Seed}}
*TM095 {{m|Taunt}}
*TM096 {{m|Light Screen}}
*TM097 {{m|Safeguard}}
*TM098 {{m|Brick Break}}
*TM099 {{m|Shock Wave}}
*TM100 {{m|Flamethrower}}
*TM101 {{m|Rock Tomb}}
*TM102 {{m|Aerial Ace}}
*TM103 {{m|Torment}}
*TM104 {{m|Facade}}
*TM105 {{m|Secret Power}}
*TM106 {{m|Skill Swap}}
*TM107 {{m|Snatch}}
*TM108 {{m|Overheat}}
*TM109 {{m|Roost}}
*TM110 {{m|Focus Blast}}
*TM111 {{m|Energy Ball}}
*TM112 {{m|False Swipe}}
*TM113 {{m|Brine}}
*TM114 {{m|Fling}}
*TM115 {{m|Charge Beam}}
*TM116 {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
*TM117 {{m|Drain Punch}}
*TM118 {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}
*TM119 {{m|Silver Wind}}
*TM120 {{m|Embargo}}
*TM121 {{m|Shadow Claw}}
*TM122 {{m|Payback}}
*TM123 {{m|Recycle}}
*TM124 {{m|Giga Impact}}
*TM125 {{m|Rock Polish}}
*TM126 {{m|Flash}}
*TM127 {{m|Stone Edge}}
*TM128 {{m|Avalanche}}
*TM129 {{m|Gyro Ball}}
*TM130 {{m|Stealth Rock}}
*TM131 {{m|Captivate}}
*TM132 {{m|Dark Pulse}}
*TM133 {{m|X-Scissor}}
*TM134 {{m|Natural Gift}}
*TM135 {{m|Poison Jab}}
*TM136 {{m|Grass Knot}}
*TM137 {{m|Pluck}}
*TM138 {{m|U-turn}}
*TM139 {{m|Flash Cannon}}
*TM140 {{m|Trick Room}}

140 TMs throughout the games! --[[User:JP585]]
:well thats pretty cool, but, whats the point? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well mainly it is for use for theoretical games....or for comic makers who want consistency throughout their stories. Personally I would use it for my comic (gonna make a character as a representative of a TM Factory).--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 04:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, at the least, it makes for a good piece of trivia. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It's an interesting list, certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Game Technical Machines ==

True, True. The national TM list good view of the totality of Technical Machines. Of course I did not include the TCG machines. They are not numbered 
*[[EX Hidden Legends (TCG)]]
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 84)|Ancient Technical Machine Ice]] - Ice Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 85)|Ancient Technical Machine Rock]] - Stone Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 86)|Ancient Technical Machine Steel]] - Steel Generator
*[[Skyridge (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/129-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere α] - Fire Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/130-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere β] - Freezing Force
** {{TCG ID|Skyridge|Miracle Sphere γ|131}} - Thunder Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/133-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate α] - Desert Burn
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/134-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate β] - Stone Crush
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/135-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate γ] - Retro Cave
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/136-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate δ] - Healing Oasis
*[[EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/079-aqua-tm.jpg Team Aqua TM 01] - Miracle
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/084-magma-tm.jpg Team Magma TM 01] - Crushing Magma
*[[Aquapolis (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/119-darkness01.jpg Darkness Cube 01] - Plunder
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/121-fighting01.jpg Fighting Cube 01] - Violent Rage
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/122-fire01.jpg Fire Cube 01] - Singe
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/124-grass01.jpg Grass Cube 01] - Sleep Poison
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/127-electric01.jpg Lightning Cube 01] - Discharge
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/129-metal01.jpg Metal Cube 01] - Metal Reversal
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/132-psychic01.jpg Psychic Cube 01] - Psy Confuse
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/140-water01.jpg Water Cube 01] - Splatter
*[[Expedition Base Set (TCG)]]
** {{TCG ID|Expedition|Multi Technical Machine 01|144}} -Paralyzing Gaze
*[[Pokémon VS (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm.shtml Falkner's TM01] - Quick Dive
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm2.shtml Falkner's TM02] - Slash Turn
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm.shtml Bugsy's TM01] - Fury Cutter
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm2.shtml Bugsy's TM02] - Super Drain
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm.shtml Whitney's TM01] - Shake
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm2.shtml Whitney's TM02] - Triple Slap
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm.shtml Morty's TM01] - Dream Eater
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm2.shtml Morty's TM02] - Recover
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm.shtml Jasmine's TM01] - Healing Flash
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm2.shtml Jasmine's TM02] - Thunder Bite
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm.shtml Chuck's TM01] - Dynamic Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm2.shtml Chuck's TM02] - Take Down
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm.shtml Pryce's TM01] - Blizzard
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm2.shtml Pryce's TM02] - Freeze Ray
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm.shtml Clair's TM01] - Dragon's Breath
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm2.shtml Clair's TM02] - Fry Beam
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm.shtml Janine's TM01] - Toxic
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm2.shtml Janine's TM02] - Poison Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm.shtml Will's TM01] 0
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm2.shtml Will's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm.shtml Bruno's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm2.shtml Bruno's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm.shtml Karen's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm2.shtml Karen's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/rockets_tm.shtml Rocket's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm.shtml Lance's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm2.shtml Lance's TM02]- Giant Tail
*Other
**[http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/altomare/18-altomare-cube.shtml Alto Mare Cube] - Dream Analysis
--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 05:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Mystery Dungeon ==

What about the other moves from Mystery Dungeon? --[[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:49, 21 April 2008 (GMT)

:I don't know what you mean. We have articles for {{m|Vacuum-Cut}}, etc.. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm talking about in this article...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Include Glitch TMs ==

Why not someone add in the Glitch TMs as well? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because real Pokémon game data and glitch/hack Pokémon game data ought not be mixed. In the Pokémon prev/next for Bulbasaur, it doesn't show Missingno. or 'M. They aren't real Pokémon just like the glitch TMs aren't real TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon that can't learn TMs==

Should we make a list of pokemon that cant learn TMs??

we were talking about it in the main page and [[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] told us to take it here instead; the list we have so far is: Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot, Beldum and Smeargle

if we are it should be completed first, also props go to; [[User:Mr._Charlie]],[[User:Jmvb]],[[User:EpicFail]] and[[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] for compiling the list so far --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 21:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there is anything missing, just add it yourself. With that said, I think we have them all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, someone else should put this into the page because I dont want to risk doing a bad edit of an article (never edited before)and would rather start with grammar/punctuation errors and not this kind of list
::also how do you change your signature --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 09:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's, um, already on the page. Signature changing is done in your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]; a basic howto guide for design is [[BP:SIG|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== TM Chart ==

I was really hoping to find a chart of all the TMs each Pokémon can learn. Having it all on one page would be helpful in deciding whom to use which TMs on. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by that? Each Pokémon has a list of moves that they can learn by TM on their page, and which Pokémon can learn a particular move by TM is listed on the move pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Buyable and Unbuyable TMs ==

There's no Information on the price of TMs.
We really need that information to know which TMs are replaceable and which TMs are "super-rare" irreplaceable. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind... --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Vulpix's energy ball ==

While a Vulpix that knows energy ball is a good example of a Pokémon which learns a TM move only through breeding in Generation IV, Vuplix and Ninetales can learn energy ball from TM53 in Generation V. Anyone know of an example which still works in Gen V?[[User:Chammy|Chammy]] 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Do you guys really think that there are no TMs in the show?! What if they never appear in the show or Ash and gang find and use them off screen?! Cause there is no way Ash's Herracross could know Hyper Beam or Sleep Talk without using a TM.{{unsigned|Mr.Char}}
:Until we actually see a TM (or hear about one) in the anime, we can't assume that they exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to above==
Actually, in season 1 Ash is seen trying to teach a tm to Pikachu. The tm appears to be a monitor with the attack on it. He tries to teach Pikachu mega punch I believe. This is either likely in the episode with the Mankeys or Diglets. I am unsure as to which. --[[User:WheatThins|WheatThins]] 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

The last section, "Returning TMs", needs to be updated for Gen V. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't get the fact that Sleep Talk and Psych Up have "remained their TM Status". Because Sleep Talk is not a TM in Gen V, and Psych Up is. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 09:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== TMs that (almost) everything can use ==

We already have a list of Pokemon that can't use any TMs. On the opposite end of things, should we have a list of TMs that *every* Pokemon can learn? (Minus those that can't use any of them and a few specific others, of course.)

I've actually put together a list for this. I'm pretty sure I've got everything.
*TM03 [gen II]: Curse
*TM06: Toxic
*TM10 [since gen II]: Hidden Power
*TM13 [gen II]: Snore
*TM17 [since gen II]: Protect (except for Regigigas)
*TM20 [gen II]/TM58 [gen IV]: Endure
*TM21 [since gen II]: Frustration
*TM27 [since gen II]: Return
*TM31 [gen I]: Mimic
*TM32: Double team
*TM34 [gen I]: Bide
*TM34 [gen II]/TM87 [gens IV and V]: Swagger
*TM35 [gen III]/TM82 [gen IV]: Sleep Talk
*TM42 [gens III and IV]: Facade
*TM43 [gens III and IV]: Secret Power
*TM44: Rest (except for Regigigas)
*TM45 [since gen II]: Attract (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew and Cryogonal)
*TM50 [gen I]/TM90 [gens IV and V]: Substitute
*TM78 [gen IV]: Captivate (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew)
*TM83 [gen IV]: Natural gift

[[User:Spudwalt|-Spudwalt]] 04:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Bringing this up once again... will we eventually do something related to TMs and HMs for the Mystery Dungeon series? I know the locations will be hard to come up with, but buy and sell prices should be somewhat simple, if not time consuming. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's already a space for them on the individual TM and HM pages. Parameters are locmdrb, pricemdrb, sellmdrb, locmdtds, pricemdtds, sellmdtds, locmdww, pricemdww and sellmdww. If there's anything which you know is the same across multiple existing MD games, the relevant parameters default to that specified by pricemd and sellmd. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, I'll look into it then. I was on Thunder's page and didn't see anything, so I wanted to ask just in case. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "No. <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

The Trivia section for this page is enormous and rather difficult to read. Should something be done about it? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Pokémon Move Compatibility ==

So, as I was seeing if I could update some TM move pages for Gen VI games, I noticed something incredibly useful. While in Cassius's PC, if you choose the "Organize Boxes" option, there's a little magnifying glass icon at the bottom. This allows you to search for Pokémon in your boxes that fulfill certain criteria. One of these criteria is "TMs & HMs". To quote the game, "You can check whether Pokémon can use the selected TM or HM." So, I'm going to run through the Pokémon that I have and try to update any TM/HM move pages that need some Gen VI love. However, I don't own even all of the Kalos Pokémon yet, much less the rest (some of which will have to wait until the Pokémon Bank launches next month anyway). So, if anyone wants to further edit the pages with their own Pokémon collection, feel free to do so. I just figured I'd let everyone know that they've made it amazingly easy to determine this compatibility in X and Y. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Incompatible Pokémon ==

Some Pokémon, like Wobbuffet cannot learn TMs, there are confusion between it can learn TMs and it cannot learn at all. Someone must check Pokémon pages whatever it can learn TMs or not. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say seeing as Wobbuffet's page clearly shows it being able to learn a move from TMs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll find more TMs later because Wobbuffet can learn TMs so I'll check on Pokémon Storage System on my game. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

== Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. ==

''Here are all of the TM moves exclusive to gen 1 only. I'd like permission to make this into its own full page please. Thank you.''

'''TM02 Razor Wind''' - ''Normal'' - Butterfree, Pidgey, Zubat, Venomoth, Farfetch'd, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 07 Horn Drill''' - ''Normal'' - Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Tauros, Omastar, Dragonair/Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 09 Take Down''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Oddish, Paras, Venonat, Diglett, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Geodude, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Krabby, Voltorb, Exeggcute, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Goldeen, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Gyarados, Porygon, Omanyte, Kabuto, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 11 BubbleBeam''' - ''Water'' - Squirtle, Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Slowpoke, Seel, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Lapras, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 12 Water Gun''' - ''Water'' - Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Seel, Shellder, Krabby, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 16 Pay Day''' - ''Normal'' - Pikachu, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Psyduck, Mankey, Slowpoke, Seel, Rhydon, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 17 Submission''' - ''Fighting'' - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickintung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 20 Rage''' - ''Normal'' - All TM capable Pokemon.

'''TM 21 Mega Drain''' - ''Grass'' - Bulbasaur, Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Zubat, Paras, Venonat, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Exeggutor, Mew.

'''TM 23 Dragon Rage''' - ''Dragon'' - Growlithe, Arcanine, Lapras, Aerodactyl, Mew.

'''TM 27 Fissure''' - ''Ground'' - Charizard, Blastoise, Ekans, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Poliwhirl, Machop (with Guts), Geodude, Slowpoke, Onix, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Kangaskhan, Tauros, Mew.

'''TM 30 Teleport''' - ''Psychic'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venomoth, Arcanine, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Shellder, Drowzee, Voltorb, Exegcute, Chansey, Staryu, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 34 Bide''' - ''Normal'' - All TM capable Pokemon.

'''TM 35 Metronome''' - ''Normal'' - Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Machop, Geodude, Gengar, Drowzee, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Mewtwo.

'''TM 36 Selfdestruct''' - ''Normal'' - Grimer, Shellder, Gastly, Onix, Exeggcute, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 37 Egg Bomb''' - ''Normal'' - Exeggcute, Mew.

'''TM 40 Skull Bash''' - ''Normal'' - Charmander, Beedrill, Rattata, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Paras, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Growlithe, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Seel, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Electrode, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Chansey, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee, Porygon, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 46 Psywave''' - ''Psychic'' - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venonat, Poliwag, Abra, Slowpoke, Drowzee, Exeggcute, Chansey, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Lapras, Porygon, Snorlax, Mew.

'''TM 49 Tri Attack''' - ''Normal'' - Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Abra, Slowpoke, Shellder, Drowzee, Chansey, Staryu, Mewtwo, Mew.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:TM

2017-03-27T08:07:30Z

Mcheetah: /* Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and the Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. */

Greengiant, I put the games for a reason so people would know what games they are in. Yes I know they can click on the Gen links but trust me it looked better the way I had it. Thanks for linking the moves, though. Also, you didn't need to get rid of the Move Tutors link I had. Don't overedit.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 00:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris, with all due respect, I don't believe he's overediting. The names of the games are redundant with respect to what generation they're found in. So long as you link to the generation, a user can figure out the games in it. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I know what you're saying with how the differences between FireRed and LeafGreen can confuse things so you wanted to clarify. I didn't notice that before, but I think now that there might be a simpler way to say it, I'm just not sure how. I also didn't mean to remove the Move Tutors link, sorry about that. -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Just a thought - perhaps, for organizational purposes, we should turn the three lists into one big chart? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== potrayal ==

I really think the artical should include info on the looks of TMs, from the box thingys from the TCG to the modern disk shape (I also seem to recall them appearing in special as something else entirely). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember a Pokémon manga where they appeared as boxes (in a simpler style than the TCG ones, which came later). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::acctualy, thinking about, I'm not exactly sure it was special. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it was seen used against the Eevee Brothers, which would make it the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga... Eevee learned... Mimic, was it? Let it copy Jolteon's move, I think. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== TM Pages ==
For TMs that have not changed their move from generation to generation, I've begun changing the articles, since they aren't really referential to the move itself. The current format is ''TMs vary between generations. However, TMXX is (move) in every generation to date.'' -- I have switched this to ''TMXX has contained the move (MOVE) in every generation to date.'', because I feel the note that TMs vary between generations is both superfluous and misleading if the TM in question hasn't varied between generations. That statement would be better suited for this article. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rock Smash and Flash ==

In the trivia section, is it worth noting that these moves have been both TM and HM moves at some point? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Theoretical National TM List ==

I made a theoretical national TM list. I concatenated each regions TM list (in order), then removed duplicates. What I got was the following:

*TM001 {{m|Mega Punch}}
*TM002 {{m|Razor Wind}}
*TM003 {{m|Swords Dance}}
*TM004 {{m|Whirlwind}}
*TM005 {{m|Mega Kick}}
*TM006 {{m|Toxic}}
*TM007 {{m|Horn Drill}}
*TM008 {{m|Body Slam}}
*TM009 {{m|Take Down}}
*TM010 {{m|Double-Edge}}
*TM011 {{m|BubbleBeam}}
*TM012 {{m|Water Gun}}
*TM013 {{m|Ice Beam}}
*TM014 {{m|Blizzard}}
*TM015 {{m|Hyper Beam}}
*TM016 {{m|Pay Day}}
*TM017 {{m|Submission}}
*TM018 {{m|Counter}}
*TM019 {{m|Seismic Toss}}
*TM020 {{m|Rage}}
*TM021 {{m|Mega Drain}}
*TM022 {{m|SolarBeam}}
*TM023 {{m|Dragon Rage}}
*TM024 {{m|Thunderbolt}}
*TM025 {{m|Thunder}}
*TM026 {{m|Earthquake}}
*TM027 {{m|Fissure}}
*TM028 {{m|Dig}}
*TM029 {{m|Psychic}}
*TM030 {{m|Teleport}}
*TM031 {{m|Mimic}}
*TM032 {{m|Double Team}}
*TM033 {{m|Reflect}}
*TM034 {{m|Bide}}
*TM035 {{m|Metronome}}
*TM036 {{m|Selfdestruct}}
*TM037 {{m|Egg Bomb}}
*TM038 {{m|Fire Blast}}
*TM039 {{m|Swift}}
*TM040 {{m|Skull Bash}}
*TM041 {{m|Softboiled}}
*TM042 {{m|Dream Eater}}
*TM043 {{m|Sky Attack}}
*TM044 {{m|Rest}}
*TM045 {{m|Thunder Wave}}
*TM046 {{m|Psywave}}
*TM047 {{m|Explosion}}
*TM048 {{m|Rock Slide}}
*TM049 {{m|Tri Attack}}
*TM050 {{m|Substitute}}
*TM051 {{m|DynamicPunch}}
*TM052 {{m|Headbutt}}
*TM053 {{m|Curse}}
*TM054 {{m|Rollout}}
*TM055 {{m|Roar}}
*TM056 {{m|Zap Cannon}}
*TM057 {{m|Rock Smash}}
*TM058 {{m|Psych Up}}
*TM059 {{m|Hidden Power}}
*TM060 {{m|Sunny Day}}
*TM061 {{m|Sweet Scent}}
*TM062 {{m|Snore}}
*TM063 {{m|Icy Wind}}
*TM064 {{m|Protect}}
*TM065 {{m|Rain Dance}}
*TM066 {{m|Giga Drain}}
*TM067 {{m|Endure}}
*TM068 {{m|Frustration}}
*TM069 {{m|Iron Tail}}
*TM070 {{m|DragonBreath}}
*TM071 {{m|Return}}
*TM072 {{m|Shadow Ball}}
*TM073 {{m|Mud-Slap}}
*TM074 {{m|Ice Punch}}
*TM075 {{m|Swagger}}
*TM076 {{m|Sleep Talk}}
*TM077 {{m|Sludge Bomb}}
*TM078 {{m|Sandstorm}}
*TM079 {{m|Defense Curl}}
*TM080 {{m|ThunderPunch}}
*TM081 {{m|Detect}}
*TM082 {{m|Attract}}
*TM083 {{m|Thief}}
*TM084 {{m|Steel Wing}}
*TM085 {{m|Fire Punch}}
*TM086 {{m|Fury Cutter}}
*TM087 {{m|Nightmare}}
*TM088 {{m|Focus Punch}}
*TM089 {{m|Dragon Claw}}
*TM090 {{m|Water Pulse}}
*TM091 {{m|Calm Mind}}
*TM092 {{m|Hail}}
*TM093 {{m|Bulk Up}}
*TM094 {{m|Bullet Seed}}
*TM095 {{m|Taunt}}
*TM096 {{m|Light Screen}}
*TM097 {{m|Safeguard}}
*TM098 {{m|Brick Break}}
*TM099 {{m|Shock Wave}}
*TM100 {{m|Flamethrower}}
*TM101 {{m|Rock Tomb}}
*TM102 {{m|Aerial Ace}}
*TM103 {{m|Torment}}
*TM104 {{m|Facade}}
*TM105 {{m|Secret Power}}
*TM106 {{m|Skill Swap}}
*TM107 {{m|Snatch}}
*TM108 {{m|Overheat}}
*TM109 {{m|Roost}}
*TM110 {{m|Focus Blast}}
*TM111 {{m|Energy Ball}}
*TM112 {{m|False Swipe}}
*TM113 {{m|Brine}}
*TM114 {{m|Fling}}
*TM115 {{m|Charge Beam}}
*TM116 {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
*TM117 {{m|Drain Punch}}
*TM118 {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}
*TM119 {{m|Silver Wind}}
*TM120 {{m|Embargo}}
*TM121 {{m|Shadow Claw}}
*TM122 {{m|Payback}}
*TM123 {{m|Recycle}}
*TM124 {{m|Giga Impact}}
*TM125 {{m|Rock Polish}}
*TM126 {{m|Flash}}
*TM127 {{m|Stone Edge}}
*TM128 {{m|Avalanche}}
*TM129 {{m|Gyro Ball}}
*TM130 {{m|Stealth Rock}}
*TM131 {{m|Captivate}}
*TM132 {{m|Dark Pulse}}
*TM133 {{m|X-Scissor}}
*TM134 {{m|Natural Gift}}
*TM135 {{m|Poison Jab}}
*TM136 {{m|Grass Knot}}
*TM137 {{m|Pluck}}
*TM138 {{m|U-turn}}
*TM139 {{m|Flash Cannon}}
*TM140 {{m|Trick Room}}

140 TMs throughout the games! --[[User:JP585]]
:well thats pretty cool, but, whats the point? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well mainly it is for use for theoretical games....or for comic makers who want consistency throughout their stories. Personally I would use it for my comic (gonna make a character as a representative of a TM Factory).--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 04:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, at the least, it makes for a good piece of trivia. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It's an interesting list, certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Game Technical Machines ==

True, True. The national TM list good view of the totality of Technical Machines. Of course I did not include the TCG machines. They are not numbered 
*[[EX Hidden Legends (TCG)]]
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 84)|Ancient Technical Machine Ice]] - Ice Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 85)|Ancient Technical Machine Rock]] - Stone Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 86)|Ancient Technical Machine Steel]] - Steel Generator
*[[Skyridge (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/129-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere α] - Fire Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/130-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere β] - Freezing Force
** {{TCG ID|Skyridge|Miracle Sphere γ|131}} - Thunder Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/133-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate α] - Desert Burn
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/134-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate β] - Stone Crush
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/135-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate γ] - Retro Cave
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/136-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate δ] - Healing Oasis
*[[EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/079-aqua-tm.jpg Team Aqua TM 01] - Miracle
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/084-magma-tm.jpg Team Magma TM 01] - Crushing Magma
*[[Aquapolis (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/119-darkness01.jpg Darkness Cube 01] - Plunder
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/121-fighting01.jpg Fighting Cube 01] - Violent Rage
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/122-fire01.jpg Fire Cube 01] - Singe
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/124-grass01.jpg Grass Cube 01] - Sleep Poison
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/127-electric01.jpg Lightning Cube 01] - Discharge
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/129-metal01.jpg Metal Cube 01] - Metal Reversal
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/132-psychic01.jpg Psychic Cube 01] - Psy Confuse
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/140-water01.jpg Water Cube 01] - Splatter
*[[Expedition Base Set (TCG)]]
** {{TCG ID|Expedition|Multi Technical Machine 01|144}} -Paralyzing Gaze
*[[Pokémon VS (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm.shtml Falkner's TM01] - Quick Dive
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm2.shtml Falkner's TM02] - Slash Turn
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm.shtml Bugsy's TM01] - Fury Cutter
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm2.shtml Bugsy's TM02] - Super Drain
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm.shtml Whitney's TM01] - Shake
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm2.shtml Whitney's TM02] - Triple Slap
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm.shtml Morty's TM01] - Dream Eater
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm2.shtml Morty's TM02] - Recover
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm.shtml Jasmine's TM01] - Healing Flash
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm2.shtml Jasmine's TM02] - Thunder Bite
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm.shtml Chuck's TM01] - Dynamic Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm2.shtml Chuck's TM02] - Take Down
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm.shtml Pryce's TM01] - Blizzard
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm2.shtml Pryce's TM02] - Freeze Ray
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm.shtml Clair's TM01] - Dragon's Breath
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm2.shtml Clair's TM02] - Fry Beam
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm.shtml Janine's TM01] - Toxic
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm2.shtml Janine's TM02] - Poison Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm.shtml Will's TM01] 0
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm2.shtml Will's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm.shtml Bruno's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm2.shtml Bruno's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm.shtml Karen's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm2.shtml Karen's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/rockets_tm.shtml Rocket's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm.shtml Lance's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm2.shtml Lance's TM02]- Giant Tail
*Other
**[http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/altomare/18-altomare-cube.shtml Alto Mare Cube] - Dream Analysis
--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 05:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Mystery Dungeon ==

What about the other moves from Mystery Dungeon? --[[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:49, 21 April 2008 (GMT)

:I don't know what you mean. We have articles for {{m|Vacuum-Cut}}, etc.. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm talking about in this article...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Include Glitch TMs ==

Why not someone add in the Glitch TMs as well? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because real Pokémon game data and glitch/hack Pokémon game data ought not be mixed. In the Pokémon prev/next for Bulbasaur, it doesn't show Missingno. or 'M. They aren't real Pokémon just like the glitch TMs aren't real TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon that can't learn TMs==

Should we make a list of pokemon that cant learn TMs??

we were talking about it in the main page and [[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] told us to take it here instead; the list we have so far is: Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot, Beldum and Smeargle

if we are it should be completed first, also props go to; [[User:Mr._Charlie]],[[User:Jmvb]],[[User:EpicFail]] and[[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] for compiling the list so far --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 21:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there is anything missing, just add it yourself. With that said, I think we have them all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, someone else should put this into the page because I dont want to risk doing a bad edit of an article (never edited before)and would rather start with grammar/punctuation errors and not this kind of list
::also how do you change your signature --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 09:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's, um, already on the page. Signature changing is done in your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]; a basic howto guide for design is [[BP:SIG|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== TM Chart ==

I was really hoping to find a chart of all the TMs each Pokémon can learn. Having it all on one page would be helpful in deciding whom to use which TMs on. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by that? Each Pokémon has a list of moves that they can learn by TM on their page, and which Pokémon can learn a particular move by TM is listed on the move pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Buyable and Unbuyable TMs ==

There's no Information on the price of TMs.
We really need that information to know which TMs are replaceable and which TMs are "super-rare" irreplaceable. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind... --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Vulpix's energy ball ==

While a Vulpix that knows energy ball is a good example of a Pokémon which learns a TM move only through breeding in Generation IV, Vuplix and Ninetales can learn energy ball from TM53 in Generation V. Anyone know of an example which still works in Gen V?[[User:Chammy|Chammy]] 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Do you guys really think that there are no TMs in the show?! What if they never appear in the show or Ash and gang find and use them off screen?! Cause there is no way Ash's Herracross could know Hyper Beam or Sleep Talk without using a TM.{{unsigned|Mr.Char}}
:Until we actually see a TM (or hear about one) in the anime, we can't assume that they exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to above==
Actually, in season 1 Ash is seen trying to teach a tm to Pikachu. The tm appears to be a monitor with the attack on it. He tries to teach Pikachu mega punch I believe. This is either likely in the episode with the Mankeys or Diglets. I am unsure as to which. --[[User:WheatThins|WheatThins]] 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

The last section, "Returning TMs", needs to be updated for Gen V. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't get the fact that Sleep Talk and Psych Up have "remained their TM Status". Because Sleep Talk is not a TM in Gen V, and Psych Up is. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 09:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== TMs that (almost) everything can use ==

We already have a list of Pokemon that can't use any TMs. On the opposite end of things, should we have a list of TMs that *every* Pokemon can learn? (Minus those that can't use any of them and a few specific others, of course.)

I've actually put together a list for this. I'm pretty sure I've got everything.
*TM03 [gen II]: Curse
*TM06: Toxic
*TM10 [since gen II]: Hidden Power
*TM13 [gen II]: Snore
*TM17 [since gen II]: Protect (except for Regigigas)
*TM20 [gen II]/TM58 [gen IV]: Endure
*TM21 [since gen II]: Frustration
*TM27 [since gen II]: Return
*TM31 [gen I]: Mimic
*TM32: Double team
*TM34 [gen I]: Bide
*TM34 [gen II]/TM87 [gens IV and V]: Swagger
*TM35 [gen III]/TM82 [gen IV]: Sleep Talk
*TM42 [gens III and IV]: Facade
*TM43 [gens III and IV]: Secret Power
*TM44: Rest (except for Regigigas)
*TM45 [since gen II]: Attract (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew and Cryogonal)
*TM50 [gen I]/TM90 [gens IV and V]: Substitute
*TM78 [gen IV]: Captivate (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew)
*TM83 [gen IV]: Natural gift

[[User:Spudwalt|-Spudwalt]] 04:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Bringing this up once again... will we eventually do something related to TMs and HMs for the Mystery Dungeon series? I know the locations will be hard to come up with, but buy and sell prices should be somewhat simple, if not time consuming. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's already a space for them on the individual TM and HM pages. Parameters are locmdrb, pricemdrb, sellmdrb, locmdtds, pricemdtds, sellmdtds, locmdww, pricemdww and sellmdww. If there's anything which you know is the same across multiple existing MD games, the relevant parameters default to that specified by pricemd and sellmd. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, I'll look into it then. I was on Thunder's page and didn't see anything, so I wanted to ask just in case. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "No. <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

The Trivia section for this page is enormous and rather difficult to read. Should something be done about it? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Pokémon Move Compatibility ==

So, as I was seeing if I could update some TM move pages for Gen VI games, I noticed something incredibly useful. While in Cassius's PC, if you choose the "Organize Boxes" option, there's a little magnifying glass icon at the bottom. This allows you to search for Pokémon in your boxes that fulfill certain criteria. One of these criteria is "TMs & HMs". To quote the game, "You can check whether Pokémon can use the selected TM or HM." So, I'm going to run through the Pokémon that I have and try to update any TM/HM move pages that need some Gen VI love. However, I don't own even all of the Kalos Pokémon yet, much less the rest (some of which will have to wait until the Pokémon Bank launches next month anyway). So, if anyone wants to further edit the pages with their own Pokémon collection, feel free to do so. I just figured I'd let everyone know that they've made it amazingly easy to determine this compatibility in X and Y. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Incompatible Pokémon ==

Some Pokémon, like Wobbuffet cannot learn TMs, there are confusion between it can learn TMs and it cannot learn at all. Someone must check Pokémon pages whatever it can learn TMs or not. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say seeing as Wobbuffet's page clearly shows it being able to learn a move from TMs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll find more TMs later because Wobbuffet can learn TMs so I'll check on Pokémon Storage System on my game. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

== Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. ==

''Here are all of the TM moves exclusive to gen 1 only. I'd like permission to make this into its own full page please. Thank you.''

'''TM02 Razor Wind''' - Normal - Butterfree, Pidgey, Zubat, Venomoth, Farfetch'd, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 07 Horn Drill''' - Normal - Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Tauros, Omastar, Dragonair/Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 09 Take Down''' - Normal - Charmander, Squirtle, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Oddish, Paras, Venonat, Diglett, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Geodude, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Krabby, Voltorb, Exeggcute, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Goldeen, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Gyarados, Porygon, Omanyte, Kabuto, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 11 BubbleBeam''' - Water - Squirtle, Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Slowpoke, Seel, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Lapras, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 12 Water Gun''' - Water - Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Seel, Shellder, Krabby, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 16 Pay Day''' - Normal - Pikachu, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Psyduck, Mankey, Slowpoke, Seel, Rhydon, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 17 Submission''' - Fighting - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickintung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 20 Rage''' - Normal - All TM capable Pokemon.

'''TM 21 Mega Drain''' - Grass - Bulbasaur, Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Zubat, Paras, Venonat, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Exeggutor, Mew.

'''TM 23 Dragon Rage''' - Dragon - Growlithe, Arcanine, Lapras, Aerodactyl, Mew.

'''TM 27 Fissure''' - Ground - Charizard, Blastoise, Ekans, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Poliwhirl, Machop (with Guts), Geodude, Slowpoke, Onix, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Kangaskhan, Tauros, Mew.

'''TM 30 Teleport''' - Psychic - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venomoth, Arcanine, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Shellder, Drowzee, Voltorb, Exegcute, Chansey, Staryu, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 34 Bide''' - Normal - All TM capable Pokemon.

'''TM 35 Metronome''' - Normal - Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Machop, Geodude, Gengar, Drowzee, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Mewtwo.

'''TM 36 Selfdestruct''' - Normal - Grimer, Shellder, Gastly, Onix, Exeggcute, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 37 Egg Bomb''' - Normal - Exeggcute, Mew.

'''TM 40 Skull Bash''' - Normal - Charmander, Beedrill, Rattata, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoran♂, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Paras, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Growlithe, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Ponyta, Slowpoke, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Seel, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Electrode, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Chansey, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee, Porygon, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 46 Psywave''' - Psychic - Butterfree, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Venonat, Poliwag, Abra, Slowpoke, Drowzee, Exeggcute, Chansey, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Lapras, Porygon, Snorlax, Mew.

'''TM 49 Tri Attack''' - Normal - Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Abra, Slowpoke, Shellder, Drowzee, Chansey, Staryu, Mewtwo, Mew.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:TM

2017-03-27T07:41:25Z

Mcheetah: /* Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. */

Greengiant, I put the games for a reason so people would know what games they are in. Yes I know they can click on the Gen links but trust me it looked better the way I had it. Thanks for linking the moves, though. Also, you didn't need to get rid of the Move Tutors link I had. Don't overedit.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 00:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris, with all due respect, I don't believe he's overediting. The names of the games are redundant with respect to what generation they're found in. So long as you link to the generation, a user can figure out the games in it. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I know what you're saying with how the differences between FireRed and LeafGreen can confuse things so you wanted to clarify. I didn't notice that before, but I think now that there might be a simpler way to say it, I'm just not sure how. I also didn't mean to remove the Move Tutors link, sorry about that. -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Just a thought - perhaps, for organizational purposes, we should turn the three lists into one big chart? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== potrayal ==

I really think the artical should include info on the looks of TMs, from the box thingys from the TCG to the modern disk shape (I also seem to recall them appearing in special as something else entirely). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember a Pokémon manga where they appeared as boxes (in a simpler style than the TCG ones, which came later). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::acctualy, thinking about, I'm not exactly sure it was special. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it was seen used against the Eevee Brothers, which would make it the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga... Eevee learned... Mimic, was it? Let it copy Jolteon's move, I think. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== TM Pages ==
For TMs that have not changed their move from generation to generation, I've begun changing the articles, since they aren't really referential to the move itself. The current format is ''TMs vary between generations. However, TMXX is (move) in every generation to date.'' -- I have switched this to ''TMXX has contained the move (MOVE) in every generation to date.'', because I feel the note that TMs vary between generations is both superfluous and misleading if the TM in question hasn't varied between generations. That statement would be better suited for this article. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rock Smash and Flash ==

In the trivia section, is it worth noting that these moves have been both TM and HM moves at some point? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Theoretical National TM List ==

I made a theoretical national TM list. I concatenated each regions TM list (in order), then removed duplicates. What I got was the following:

*TM001 {{m|Mega Punch}}
*TM002 {{m|Razor Wind}}
*TM003 {{m|Swords Dance}}
*TM004 {{m|Whirlwind}}
*TM005 {{m|Mega Kick}}
*TM006 {{m|Toxic}}
*TM007 {{m|Horn Drill}}
*TM008 {{m|Body Slam}}
*TM009 {{m|Take Down}}
*TM010 {{m|Double-Edge}}
*TM011 {{m|BubbleBeam}}
*TM012 {{m|Water Gun}}
*TM013 {{m|Ice Beam}}
*TM014 {{m|Blizzard}}
*TM015 {{m|Hyper Beam}}
*TM016 {{m|Pay Day}}
*TM017 {{m|Submission}}
*TM018 {{m|Counter}}
*TM019 {{m|Seismic Toss}}
*TM020 {{m|Rage}}
*TM021 {{m|Mega Drain}}
*TM022 {{m|SolarBeam}}
*TM023 {{m|Dragon Rage}}
*TM024 {{m|Thunderbolt}}
*TM025 {{m|Thunder}}
*TM026 {{m|Earthquake}}
*TM027 {{m|Fissure}}
*TM028 {{m|Dig}}
*TM029 {{m|Psychic}}
*TM030 {{m|Teleport}}
*TM031 {{m|Mimic}}
*TM032 {{m|Double Team}}
*TM033 {{m|Reflect}}
*TM034 {{m|Bide}}
*TM035 {{m|Metronome}}
*TM036 {{m|Selfdestruct}}
*TM037 {{m|Egg Bomb}}
*TM038 {{m|Fire Blast}}
*TM039 {{m|Swift}}
*TM040 {{m|Skull Bash}}
*TM041 {{m|Softboiled}}
*TM042 {{m|Dream Eater}}
*TM043 {{m|Sky Attack}}
*TM044 {{m|Rest}}
*TM045 {{m|Thunder Wave}}
*TM046 {{m|Psywave}}
*TM047 {{m|Explosion}}
*TM048 {{m|Rock Slide}}
*TM049 {{m|Tri Attack}}
*TM050 {{m|Substitute}}
*TM051 {{m|DynamicPunch}}
*TM052 {{m|Headbutt}}
*TM053 {{m|Curse}}
*TM054 {{m|Rollout}}
*TM055 {{m|Roar}}
*TM056 {{m|Zap Cannon}}
*TM057 {{m|Rock Smash}}
*TM058 {{m|Psych Up}}
*TM059 {{m|Hidden Power}}
*TM060 {{m|Sunny Day}}
*TM061 {{m|Sweet Scent}}
*TM062 {{m|Snore}}
*TM063 {{m|Icy Wind}}
*TM064 {{m|Protect}}
*TM065 {{m|Rain Dance}}
*TM066 {{m|Giga Drain}}
*TM067 {{m|Endure}}
*TM068 {{m|Frustration}}
*TM069 {{m|Iron Tail}}
*TM070 {{m|DragonBreath}}
*TM071 {{m|Return}}
*TM072 {{m|Shadow Ball}}
*TM073 {{m|Mud-Slap}}
*TM074 {{m|Ice Punch}}
*TM075 {{m|Swagger}}
*TM076 {{m|Sleep Talk}}
*TM077 {{m|Sludge Bomb}}
*TM078 {{m|Sandstorm}}
*TM079 {{m|Defense Curl}}
*TM080 {{m|ThunderPunch}}
*TM081 {{m|Detect}}
*TM082 {{m|Attract}}
*TM083 {{m|Thief}}
*TM084 {{m|Steel Wing}}
*TM085 {{m|Fire Punch}}
*TM086 {{m|Fury Cutter}}
*TM087 {{m|Nightmare}}
*TM088 {{m|Focus Punch}}
*TM089 {{m|Dragon Claw}}
*TM090 {{m|Water Pulse}}
*TM091 {{m|Calm Mind}}
*TM092 {{m|Hail}}
*TM093 {{m|Bulk Up}}
*TM094 {{m|Bullet Seed}}
*TM095 {{m|Taunt}}
*TM096 {{m|Light Screen}}
*TM097 {{m|Safeguard}}
*TM098 {{m|Brick Break}}
*TM099 {{m|Shock Wave}}
*TM100 {{m|Flamethrower}}
*TM101 {{m|Rock Tomb}}
*TM102 {{m|Aerial Ace}}
*TM103 {{m|Torment}}
*TM104 {{m|Facade}}
*TM105 {{m|Secret Power}}
*TM106 {{m|Skill Swap}}
*TM107 {{m|Snatch}}
*TM108 {{m|Overheat}}
*TM109 {{m|Roost}}
*TM110 {{m|Focus Blast}}
*TM111 {{m|Energy Ball}}
*TM112 {{m|False Swipe}}
*TM113 {{m|Brine}}
*TM114 {{m|Fling}}
*TM115 {{m|Charge Beam}}
*TM116 {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
*TM117 {{m|Drain Punch}}
*TM118 {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}
*TM119 {{m|Silver Wind}}
*TM120 {{m|Embargo}}
*TM121 {{m|Shadow Claw}}
*TM122 {{m|Payback}}
*TM123 {{m|Recycle}}
*TM124 {{m|Giga Impact}}
*TM125 {{m|Rock Polish}}
*TM126 {{m|Flash}}
*TM127 {{m|Stone Edge}}
*TM128 {{m|Avalanche}}
*TM129 {{m|Gyro Ball}}
*TM130 {{m|Stealth Rock}}
*TM131 {{m|Captivate}}
*TM132 {{m|Dark Pulse}}
*TM133 {{m|X-Scissor}}
*TM134 {{m|Natural Gift}}
*TM135 {{m|Poison Jab}}
*TM136 {{m|Grass Knot}}
*TM137 {{m|Pluck}}
*TM138 {{m|U-turn}}
*TM139 {{m|Flash Cannon}}
*TM140 {{m|Trick Room}}

140 TMs throughout the games! --[[User:JP585]]
:well thats pretty cool, but, whats the point? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well mainly it is for use for theoretical games....or for comic makers who want consistency throughout their stories. Personally I would use it for my comic (gonna make a character as a representative of a TM Factory).--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 04:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, at the least, it makes for a good piece of trivia. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It's an interesting list, certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Game Technical Machines ==

True, True. The national TM list good view of the totality of Technical Machines. Of course I did not include the TCG machines. They are not numbered 
*[[EX Hidden Legends (TCG)]]
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 84)|Ancient Technical Machine Ice]] - Ice Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 85)|Ancient Technical Machine Rock]] - Stone Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 86)|Ancient Technical Machine Steel]] - Steel Generator
*[[Skyridge (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/129-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere α] - Fire Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/130-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere β] - Freezing Force
** {{TCG ID|Skyridge|Miracle Sphere γ|131}} - Thunder Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/133-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate α] - Desert Burn
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/134-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate β] - Stone Crush
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/135-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate γ] - Retro Cave
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/136-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate δ] - Healing Oasis
*[[EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/079-aqua-tm.jpg Team Aqua TM 01] - Miracle
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/084-magma-tm.jpg Team Magma TM 01] - Crushing Magma
*[[Aquapolis (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/119-darkness01.jpg Darkness Cube 01] - Plunder
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/121-fighting01.jpg Fighting Cube 01] - Violent Rage
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/122-fire01.jpg Fire Cube 01] - Singe
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/124-grass01.jpg Grass Cube 01] - Sleep Poison
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/127-electric01.jpg Lightning Cube 01] - Discharge
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/129-metal01.jpg Metal Cube 01] - Metal Reversal
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/132-psychic01.jpg Psychic Cube 01] - Psy Confuse
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/140-water01.jpg Water Cube 01] - Splatter
*[[Expedition Base Set (TCG)]]
** {{TCG ID|Expedition|Multi Technical Machine 01|144}} -Paralyzing Gaze
*[[Pokémon VS (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm.shtml Falkner's TM01] - Quick Dive
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm2.shtml Falkner's TM02] - Slash Turn
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm.shtml Bugsy's TM01] - Fury Cutter
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm2.shtml Bugsy's TM02] - Super Drain
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm.shtml Whitney's TM01] - Shake
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm2.shtml Whitney's TM02] - Triple Slap
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm.shtml Morty's TM01] - Dream Eater
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm2.shtml Morty's TM02] - Recover
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm.shtml Jasmine's TM01] - Healing Flash
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm2.shtml Jasmine's TM02] - Thunder Bite
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm.shtml Chuck's TM01] - Dynamic Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm2.shtml Chuck's TM02] - Take Down
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm.shtml Pryce's TM01] - Blizzard
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm2.shtml Pryce's TM02] - Freeze Ray
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm.shtml Clair's TM01] - Dragon's Breath
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm2.shtml Clair's TM02] - Fry Beam
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm.shtml Janine's TM01] - Toxic
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm2.shtml Janine's TM02] - Poison Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm.shtml Will's TM01] 0
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm2.shtml Will's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm.shtml Bruno's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm2.shtml Bruno's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm.shtml Karen's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm2.shtml Karen's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/rockets_tm.shtml Rocket's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm.shtml Lance's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm2.shtml Lance's TM02]- Giant Tail
*Other
**[http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/altomare/18-altomare-cube.shtml Alto Mare Cube] - Dream Analysis
--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 05:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Mystery Dungeon ==

What about the other moves from Mystery Dungeon? --[[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:49, 21 April 2008 (GMT)

:I don't know what you mean. We have articles for {{m|Vacuum-Cut}}, etc.. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm talking about in this article...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Include Glitch TMs ==

Why not someone add in the Glitch TMs as well? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because real Pokémon game data and glitch/hack Pokémon game data ought not be mixed. In the Pokémon prev/next for Bulbasaur, it doesn't show Missingno. or 'M. They aren't real Pokémon just like the glitch TMs aren't real TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon that can't learn TMs==

Should we make a list of pokemon that cant learn TMs??

we were talking about it in the main page and [[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] told us to take it here instead; the list we have so far is: Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot, Beldum and Smeargle

if we are it should be completed first, also props go to; [[User:Mr._Charlie]],[[User:Jmvb]],[[User:EpicFail]] and[[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] for compiling the list so far --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 21:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there is anything missing, just add it yourself. With that said, I think we have them all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, someone else should put this into the page because I dont want to risk doing a bad edit of an article (never edited before)and would rather start with grammar/punctuation errors and not this kind of list
::also how do you change your signature --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 09:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's, um, already on the page. Signature changing is done in your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]; a basic howto guide for design is [[BP:SIG|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== TM Chart ==

I was really hoping to find a chart of all the TMs each Pokémon can learn. Having it all on one page would be helpful in deciding whom to use which TMs on. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by that? Each Pokémon has a list of moves that they can learn by TM on their page, and which Pokémon can learn a particular move by TM is listed on the move pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Buyable and Unbuyable TMs ==

There's no Information on the price of TMs.
We really need that information to know which TMs are replaceable and which TMs are "super-rare" irreplaceable. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind... --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Vulpix's energy ball ==

While a Vulpix that knows energy ball is a good example of a Pokémon which learns a TM move only through breeding in Generation IV, Vuplix and Ninetales can learn energy ball from TM53 in Generation V. Anyone know of an example which still works in Gen V?[[User:Chammy|Chammy]] 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Do you guys really think that there are no TMs in the show?! What if they never appear in the show or Ash and gang find and use them off screen?! Cause there is no way Ash's Herracross could know Hyper Beam or Sleep Talk without using a TM.{{unsigned|Mr.Char}}
:Until we actually see a TM (or hear about one) in the anime, we can't assume that they exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to above==
Actually, in season 1 Ash is seen trying to teach a tm to Pikachu. The tm appears to be a monitor with the attack on it. He tries to teach Pikachu mega punch I believe. This is either likely in the episode with the Mankeys or Diglets. I am unsure as to which. --[[User:WheatThins|WheatThins]] 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

The last section, "Returning TMs", needs to be updated for Gen V. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't get the fact that Sleep Talk and Psych Up have "remained their TM Status". Because Sleep Talk is not a TM in Gen V, and Psych Up is. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 09:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== TMs that (almost) everything can use ==

We already have a list of Pokemon that can't use any TMs. On the opposite end of things, should we have a list of TMs that *every* Pokemon can learn? (Minus those that can't use any of them and a few specific others, of course.)

I've actually put together a list for this. I'm pretty sure I've got everything.
*TM03 [gen II]: Curse
*TM06: Toxic
*TM10 [since gen II]: Hidden Power
*TM13 [gen II]: Snore
*TM17 [since gen II]: Protect (except for Regigigas)
*TM20 [gen II]/TM58 [gen IV]: Endure
*TM21 [since gen II]: Frustration
*TM27 [since gen II]: Return
*TM31 [gen I]: Mimic
*TM32: Double team
*TM34 [gen I]: Bide
*TM34 [gen II]/TM87 [gens IV and V]: Swagger
*TM35 [gen III]/TM82 [gen IV]: Sleep Talk
*TM42 [gens III and IV]: Facade
*TM43 [gens III and IV]: Secret Power
*TM44: Rest (except for Regigigas)
*TM45 [since gen II]: Attract (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew and Cryogonal)
*TM50 [gen I]/TM90 [gens IV and V]: Substitute
*TM78 [gen IV]: Captivate (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew)
*TM83 [gen IV]: Natural gift

[[User:Spudwalt|-Spudwalt]] 04:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Bringing this up once again... will we eventually do something related to TMs and HMs for the Mystery Dungeon series? I know the locations will be hard to come up with, but buy and sell prices should be somewhat simple, if not time consuming. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's already a space for them on the individual TM and HM pages. Parameters are locmdrb, pricemdrb, sellmdrb, locmdtds, pricemdtds, sellmdtds, locmdww, pricemdww and sellmdww. If there's anything which you know is the same across multiple existing MD games, the relevant parameters default to that specified by pricemd and sellmd. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, I'll look into it then. I was on Thunder's page and didn't see anything, so I wanted to ask just in case. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "No. <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

The Trivia section for this page is enormous and rather difficult to read. Should something be done about it? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Pokémon Move Compatibility ==

So, as I was seeing if I could update some TM move pages for Gen VI games, I noticed something incredibly useful. While in Cassius's PC, if you choose the "Organize Boxes" option, there's a little magnifying glass icon at the bottom. This allows you to search for Pokémon in your boxes that fulfill certain criteria. One of these criteria is "TMs & HMs". To quote the game, "You can check whether Pokémon can use the selected TM or HM." So, I'm going to run through the Pokémon that I have and try to update any TM/HM move pages that need some Gen VI love. However, I don't own even all of the Kalos Pokémon yet, much less the rest (some of which will have to wait until the Pokémon Bank launches next month anyway). So, if anyone wants to further edit the pages with their own Pokémon collection, feel free to do so. I just figured I'd let everyone know that they've made it amazingly easy to determine this compatibility in X and Y. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Incompatible Pokémon ==

Some Pokémon, like Wobbuffet cannot learn TMs, there are confusion between it can learn TMs and it cannot learn at all. Someone must check Pokémon pages whatever it can learn TMs or not. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say seeing as Wobbuffet's page clearly shows it being able to learn a move from TMs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll find more TMs later because Wobbuffet can learn TMs so I'll check on Pokémon Storage System on my game. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

== Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. ==

Here are all of the TM's exclusive to gen 1 only. I'd like permission to make this into it's own full page please. Thank you.

'''TM02 Razor Wind''' - Normal - Butterfree, Pidgey, Zubat, Venomoth, Farfetch'd, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 07 Horn Drill''' - Normal - Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Tauros, Omastar, Dragonair/Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 09 Take Down''' - Normal - Charmander, Squirtle, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Oddish, Paras, Venonat, Diglett, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Geodude, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Krabby, Voltorb, Exeggcute, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Goldeen, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Gyarados, Porygon, Omanyte, Kabuto, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 11 BubbleBeam''' - Water - Squirtle, Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Psyduck, Slowpoke, Seel, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Lapras, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 12 Water Gun''' - Water - Rattata, Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Nidorino/Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Seel, Shellder, Krabby, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Goldeen, Jynx, Gyarados, Snorlax, Articuno, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 16 Pay Day''' - Normal - Pikachu, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Psyduck, Mankey, Slowpoke, Seel, Rhydon, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 17 Submission''' - Fighting - Charmander, Squirtle, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwhirl, Abra, Geodude, Slowbro, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickintung, Rhydon, Chansey, Kangaskhan, Mr Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Omastar, Kabutops, Snorlax, Mewtwo, Mew.

'''TM 20 Rage''' - Normal - All TM capable Pokemon.

'''TM 21 Mega Drain''' - Grass - Bulbasaur, Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans, Zubat, Paras, Venonat, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Grimer, Gastly, Exeggutor, Mew.

'''TM 23 Dragon Rage''' - Dragon - Growlithe, Arcanine, Lapras, Aerodactyl, Mew.

'''TM 27 Fissure''' - Ground - Charizard, Blastoise, Ekans, Sandshrew, Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Poliwhirl, Machop (with Guts), Geodude, Slowpoke, Onix, Cubone, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Kangaskhan, Tauros, Mew.

'''TM 30 Teleport''' - Psychic -
31 Mimic Normal
32 Double Team Normal
33 Reflect Psychic
34 Bide Normal
35 Metronome Normal
36 Selfdestruct Normal
37 Egg Bomb Normal
38 Fire Blast Fire
39 Swift Normal
40 Skull Bash Normal
41 Softboiled Normal
42 Dream Eater Psychic
43 Sky Attack Flying
44 Rest Psychic
45 Thunder Wave Electric
46 Psywave Psychic
47 Explosion Normal
48 Rock Slide Rock
49 Tri Attack Normal
50 Substitute Normal

[IN PROGRESS!]

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:TM

2017-03-27T07:19:15Z

Mcheetah: /* Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. */ new section

Greengiant, I put the games for a reason so people would know what games they are in. Yes I know they can click on the Gen links but trust me it looked better the way I had it. Thanks for linking the moves, though. Also, you didn't need to get rid of the Move Tutors link I had. Don't overedit.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 00:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris, with all due respect, I don't believe he's overediting. The names of the games are redundant with respect to what generation they're found in. So long as you link to the generation, a user can figure out the games in it. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think I know what you're saying with how the differences between FireRed and LeafGreen can confuse things so you wanted to clarify. I didn't notice that before, but I think now that there might be a simpler way to say it, I'm just not sure how. I also didn't mean to remove the Move Tutors link, sorry about that. -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

Just a thought - perhaps, for organizational purposes, we should turn the three lists into one big chart? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== potrayal ==

I really think the artical should include info on the looks of TMs, from the box thingys from the TCG to the modern disk shape (I also seem to recall them appearing in special as something else entirely). --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember a Pokémon manga where they appeared as boxes (in a simpler style than the TCG ones, which came later). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::acctualy, thinking about, I'm not exactly sure it was special. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 06:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it was seen used against the Eevee Brothers, which would make it the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga... Eevee learned... Mimic, was it? Let it copy Jolteon's move, I think. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== TM Pages ==
For TMs that have not changed their move from generation to generation, I've begun changing the articles, since they aren't really referential to the move itself. The current format is ''TMs vary between generations. However, TMXX is (move) in every generation to date.'' -- I have switched this to ''TMXX has contained the move (MOVE) in every generation to date.'', because I feel the note that TMs vary between generations is both superfluous and misleading if the TM in question hasn't varied between generations. That statement would be better suited for this article. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rock Smash and Flash ==

In the trivia section, is it worth noting that these moves have been both TM and HM moves at some point? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Theoretical National TM List ==

I made a theoretical national TM list. I concatenated each regions TM list (in order), then removed duplicates. What I got was the following:

*TM001 {{m|Mega Punch}}
*TM002 {{m|Razor Wind}}
*TM003 {{m|Swords Dance}}
*TM004 {{m|Whirlwind}}
*TM005 {{m|Mega Kick}}
*TM006 {{m|Toxic}}
*TM007 {{m|Horn Drill}}
*TM008 {{m|Body Slam}}
*TM009 {{m|Take Down}}
*TM010 {{m|Double-Edge}}
*TM011 {{m|BubbleBeam}}
*TM012 {{m|Water Gun}}
*TM013 {{m|Ice Beam}}
*TM014 {{m|Blizzard}}
*TM015 {{m|Hyper Beam}}
*TM016 {{m|Pay Day}}
*TM017 {{m|Submission}}
*TM018 {{m|Counter}}
*TM019 {{m|Seismic Toss}}
*TM020 {{m|Rage}}
*TM021 {{m|Mega Drain}}
*TM022 {{m|SolarBeam}}
*TM023 {{m|Dragon Rage}}
*TM024 {{m|Thunderbolt}}
*TM025 {{m|Thunder}}
*TM026 {{m|Earthquake}}
*TM027 {{m|Fissure}}
*TM028 {{m|Dig}}
*TM029 {{m|Psychic}}
*TM030 {{m|Teleport}}
*TM031 {{m|Mimic}}
*TM032 {{m|Double Team}}
*TM033 {{m|Reflect}}
*TM034 {{m|Bide}}
*TM035 {{m|Metronome}}
*TM036 {{m|Selfdestruct}}
*TM037 {{m|Egg Bomb}}
*TM038 {{m|Fire Blast}}
*TM039 {{m|Swift}}
*TM040 {{m|Skull Bash}}
*TM041 {{m|Softboiled}}
*TM042 {{m|Dream Eater}}
*TM043 {{m|Sky Attack}}
*TM044 {{m|Rest}}
*TM045 {{m|Thunder Wave}}
*TM046 {{m|Psywave}}
*TM047 {{m|Explosion}}
*TM048 {{m|Rock Slide}}
*TM049 {{m|Tri Attack}}
*TM050 {{m|Substitute}}
*TM051 {{m|DynamicPunch}}
*TM052 {{m|Headbutt}}
*TM053 {{m|Curse}}
*TM054 {{m|Rollout}}
*TM055 {{m|Roar}}
*TM056 {{m|Zap Cannon}}
*TM057 {{m|Rock Smash}}
*TM058 {{m|Psych Up}}
*TM059 {{m|Hidden Power}}
*TM060 {{m|Sunny Day}}
*TM061 {{m|Sweet Scent}}
*TM062 {{m|Snore}}
*TM063 {{m|Icy Wind}}
*TM064 {{m|Protect}}
*TM065 {{m|Rain Dance}}
*TM066 {{m|Giga Drain}}
*TM067 {{m|Endure}}
*TM068 {{m|Frustration}}
*TM069 {{m|Iron Tail}}
*TM070 {{m|DragonBreath}}
*TM071 {{m|Return}}
*TM072 {{m|Shadow Ball}}
*TM073 {{m|Mud-Slap}}
*TM074 {{m|Ice Punch}}
*TM075 {{m|Swagger}}
*TM076 {{m|Sleep Talk}}
*TM077 {{m|Sludge Bomb}}
*TM078 {{m|Sandstorm}}
*TM079 {{m|Defense Curl}}
*TM080 {{m|ThunderPunch}}
*TM081 {{m|Detect}}
*TM082 {{m|Attract}}
*TM083 {{m|Thief}}
*TM084 {{m|Steel Wing}}
*TM085 {{m|Fire Punch}}
*TM086 {{m|Fury Cutter}}
*TM087 {{m|Nightmare}}
*TM088 {{m|Focus Punch}}
*TM089 {{m|Dragon Claw}}
*TM090 {{m|Water Pulse}}
*TM091 {{m|Calm Mind}}
*TM092 {{m|Hail}}
*TM093 {{m|Bulk Up}}
*TM094 {{m|Bullet Seed}}
*TM095 {{m|Taunt}}
*TM096 {{m|Light Screen}}
*TM097 {{m|Safeguard}}
*TM098 {{m|Brick Break}}
*TM099 {{m|Shock Wave}}
*TM100 {{m|Flamethrower}}
*TM101 {{m|Rock Tomb}}
*TM102 {{m|Aerial Ace}}
*TM103 {{m|Torment}}
*TM104 {{m|Facade}}
*TM105 {{m|Secret Power}}
*TM106 {{m|Skill Swap}}
*TM107 {{m|Snatch}}
*TM108 {{m|Overheat}}
*TM109 {{m|Roost}}
*TM110 {{m|Focus Blast}}
*TM111 {{m|Energy Ball}}
*TM112 {{m|False Swipe}}
*TM113 {{m|Brine}}
*TM114 {{m|Fling}}
*TM115 {{m|Charge Beam}}
*TM116 {{m|Dragon Pulse}}
*TM117 {{m|Drain Punch}}
*TM118 {{m|Will-O-Wisp}}
*TM119 {{m|Silver Wind}}
*TM120 {{m|Embargo}}
*TM121 {{m|Shadow Claw}}
*TM122 {{m|Payback}}
*TM123 {{m|Recycle}}
*TM124 {{m|Giga Impact}}
*TM125 {{m|Rock Polish}}
*TM126 {{m|Flash}}
*TM127 {{m|Stone Edge}}
*TM128 {{m|Avalanche}}
*TM129 {{m|Gyro Ball}}
*TM130 {{m|Stealth Rock}}
*TM131 {{m|Captivate}}
*TM132 {{m|Dark Pulse}}
*TM133 {{m|X-Scissor}}
*TM134 {{m|Natural Gift}}
*TM135 {{m|Poison Jab}}
*TM136 {{m|Grass Knot}}
*TM137 {{m|Pluck}}
*TM138 {{m|U-turn}}
*TM139 {{m|Flash Cannon}}
*TM140 {{m|Trick Room}}

140 TMs throughout the games! --[[User:JP585]]
:well thats pretty cool, but, whats the point? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well mainly it is for use for theoretical games....or for comic makers who want consistency throughout their stories. Personally I would use it for my comic (gonna make a character as a representative of a TM Factory).--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 04:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::well, at the least, it makes for a good piece of trivia. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::It's an interesting list, certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trainer Card Game Technical Machines ==

True, True. The national TM list good view of the totality of Technical Machines. Of course I did not include the TCG machines. They are not numbered 
*[[EX Hidden Legends (TCG)]]
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 84)|Ancient Technical Machine Ice]] - Ice Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 85)|Ancient Technical Machine Rock]] - Stone Generator
** [[Ancient Technical Machine (EX Hidden Legends 86)|Ancient Technical Machine Steel]] - Steel Generator
*[[Skyridge (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/129-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere α] - Fire Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/130-miracle-sphere.jpg Miracle Sphere β] - Freezing Force
** {{TCG ID|Skyridge|Miracle Sphere γ|131}} - Thunder Force
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/133-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate α] - Desert Burn
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/134-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate β] - Stone Crush
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/135-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate γ] - Retro Cave
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Skyridge/136-mystery-plate.jpg Mystery Plate δ] - Healing Oasis
*[[EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/079-aqua-tm.jpg Team Aqua TM 01] - Miracle
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Magma-Aqua/084-magma-tm.jpg Team Magma TM 01] - Crushing Magma
*[[Aquapolis (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/119-darkness01.jpg Darkness Cube 01] - Plunder
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/121-fighting01.jpg Fighting Cube 01] - Violent Rage
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/122-fire01.jpg Fire Cube 01] - Singe
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/124-grass01.jpg Grass Cube 01] - Sleep Poison
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/127-electric01.jpg Lightning Cube 01] - Discharge
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/129-metal01.jpg Metal Cube 01] - Metal Reversal
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/132-psychic01.jpg Psychic Cube 01] - Psy Confuse
** [http://www.serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Aquapolis/140-water01.jpg Water Cube 01] - Splatter
*[[Expedition Base Set (TCG)]]
** {{TCG ID|Expedition|Multi Technical Machine 01|144}} -Paralyzing Gaze
*[[Pokémon VS (TCG)]]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm.shtml Falkner's TM01] - Quick Dive
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/falkners_tm2.shtml Falkner's TM02] - Slash Turn
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm.shtml Bugsy's TM01] - Fury Cutter
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/bugsys_tm2.shtml Bugsy's TM02] - Super Drain
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm.shtml Whitney's TM01] - Shake
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/whitneys_tm2.shtml Whitney's TM02] - Triple Slap
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm.shtml Morty's TM01] - Dream Eater
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/mortys_tm2.shtml Morty's TM02] - Recover
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm.shtml Jasmine's TM01] - Healing Flash
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/jasmines_tm2.shtml Jasmine's TM02] - Thunder Bite
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm.shtml Chuck's TM01] - Dynamic Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/chucks_tm2.shtml Chuck's TM02] - Take Down
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm.shtml Pryce's TM01] - Blizzard
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/pryces_tm2.shtml Pryce's TM02] - Freeze Ray
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm.shtml Clair's TM01] - Dragon's Breath
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/clairs_tm2.shtml Clair's TM02] - Fry Beam
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm.shtml Janine's TM01] - Toxic
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/janines_tm2.shtml Janine's TM02] - Poison Punch
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm.shtml Will's TM01] 0
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/wills_tm2.shtml Will's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm.shtml Bruno's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/brunos_tm2.shtml Bruno's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm.shtml Karen's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/karens_tm2.shtml Karen's TM02]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/rockets_tm.shtml Rocket's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm.shtml Lance's TM01]
** [http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/Translation/lances_tm2.shtml Lance's TM02]- Giant Tail
*Other
**[http://www.serebii.net/TCG/VS/altomare/18-altomare-cube.shtml Alto Mare Cube] - Dream Analysis
--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 05:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Mystery Dungeon ==

What about the other moves from Mystery Dungeon? --[[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:49, 21 April 2008 (GMT)

:I don't know what you mean. We have articles for {{m|Vacuum-Cut}}, etc.. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm talking about in this article...[[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Include Glitch TMs ==

Why not someone add in the Glitch TMs as well? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because real Pokémon game data and glitch/hack Pokémon game data ought not be mixed. In the Pokémon prev/next for Bulbasaur, it doesn't show Missingno. or 'M. They aren't real Pokémon just like the glitch TMs aren't real TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon that can't learn TMs==

Should we make a list of pokemon that cant learn TMs??

we were talking about it in the main page and [[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] told us to take it here instead; the list we have so far is: Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wurmple, Silcoon, Cascoon, Wynaut, Burmy, Combee and Kricketot, Beldum and Smeargle

if we are it should be completed first, also props go to; [[User:Mr._Charlie]],[[User:Jmvb]],[[User:EpicFail]] and[[User:The_dark_lord_trombonator]] for compiling the list so far --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 21:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:If there is anything missing, just add it yourself. With that said, I think we have them all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, someone else should put this into the page because I dont want to risk doing a bad edit of an article (never edited before)and would rather start with grammar/punctuation errors and not this kind of list
::also how do you change your signature --[[User:Titan|TiTAn]] 09:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It's, um, already on the page. Signature changing is done in your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]; a basic howto guide for design is [[BP:SIG|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== TM Chart ==

I was really hoping to find a chart of all the TMs each Pokémon can learn. Having it all on one page would be helpful in deciding whom to use which TMs on. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 03:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by that? Each Pokémon has a list of moves that they can learn by TM on their page, and which Pokémon can learn a particular move by TM is listed on the move pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Buyable and Unbuyable TMs ==

There's no Information on the price of TMs.
We really need that information to know which TMs are replaceable and which TMs are "super-rare" irreplaceable. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind... --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Vulpix's energy ball ==

While a Vulpix that knows energy ball is a good example of a Pokémon which learns a TM move only through breeding in Generation IV, Vuplix and Ninetales can learn energy ball from TM53 in Generation V. Anyone know of an example which still works in Gen V?[[User:Chammy|Chammy]] 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

Do you guys really think that there are no TMs in the show?! What if they never appear in the show or Ash and gang find and use them off screen?! Cause there is no way Ash's Herracross could know Hyper Beam or Sleep Talk without using a TM.{{unsigned|Mr.Char}}
:Until we actually see a TM (or hear about one) in the anime, we can't assume that they exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Reply to above==
Actually, in season 1 Ash is seen trying to teach a tm to Pikachu. The tm appears to be a monitor with the attack on it. He tries to teach Pikachu mega punch I believe. This is either likely in the episode with the Mankeys or Diglets. I am unsure as to which. --[[User:WheatThins|WheatThins]] 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

The last section, "Returning TMs", needs to be updated for Gen V. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't get the fact that Sleep Talk and Psych Up have "remained their TM Status". Because Sleep Talk is not a TM in Gen V, and Psych Up is. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 09:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== TMs that (almost) everything can use ==

We already have a list of Pokemon that can't use any TMs. On the opposite end of things, should we have a list of TMs that *every* Pokemon can learn? (Minus those that can't use any of them and a few specific others, of course.)

I've actually put together a list for this. I'm pretty sure I've got everything.
*TM03 [gen II]: Curse
*TM06: Toxic
*TM10 [since gen II]: Hidden Power
*TM13 [gen II]: Snore
*TM17 [since gen II]: Protect (except for Regigigas)
*TM20 [gen II]/TM58 [gen IV]: Endure
*TM21 [since gen II]: Frustration
*TM27 [since gen II]: Return
*TM31 [gen I]: Mimic
*TM32: Double team
*TM34 [gen I]: Bide
*TM34 [gen II]/TM87 [gens IV and V]: Swagger
*TM35 [gen III]/TM82 [gen IV]: Sleep Talk
*TM42 [gens III and IV]: Facade
*TM43 [gens III and IV]: Secret Power
*TM44: Rest (except for Regigigas)
*TM45 [since gen II]: Attract (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew and Cryogonal)
*TM50 [gen I]/TM90 [gens IV and V]: Substitute
*TM78 [gen IV]: Captivate (except for genderless and Nincada; includes Mew)
*TM83 [gen IV]: Natural gift

[[User:Spudwalt|-Spudwalt]] 04:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

Bringing this up once again... will we eventually do something related to TMs and HMs for the Mystery Dungeon series? I know the locations will be hard to come up with, but buy and sell prices should be somewhat simple, if not time consuming. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's already a space for them on the individual TM and HM pages. Parameters are locmdrb, pricemdrb, sellmdrb, locmdtds, pricemdtds, sellmdtds, locmdww, pricemdww and sellmdww. If there's anything which you know is the same across multiple existing MD games, the relevant parameters default to that specified by pricemd and sellmd. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright, I'll look into it then. I was on Thunder's page and didn't see anything, so I wanted to ask just in case. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "No. <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

The Trivia section for this page is enormous and rather difficult to read. Should something be done about it? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Pokémon Move Compatibility ==

So, as I was seeing if I could update some TM move pages for Gen VI games, I noticed something incredibly useful. While in Cassius's PC, if you choose the "Organize Boxes" option, there's a little magnifying glass icon at the bottom. This allows you to search for Pokémon in your boxes that fulfill certain criteria. One of these criteria is "TMs & HMs". To quote the game, "You can check whether Pokémon can use the selected TM or HM." So, I'm going to run through the Pokémon that I have and try to update any TM/HM move pages that need some Gen VI love. However, I don't own even all of the Kalos Pokémon yet, much less the rest (some of which will have to wait until the Pokémon Bank launches next month anyway). So, if anyone wants to further edit the pages with their own Pokémon collection, feel free to do so. I just figured I'd let everyone know that they've made it amazingly easy to determine this compatibility in X and Y. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Incompatible Pokémon ==

Some Pokémon, like Wobbuffet cannot learn TMs, there are confusion between it can learn TMs and it cannot learn at all. Someone must check Pokémon pages whatever it can learn TMs or not. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say seeing as Wobbuffet's page clearly shows it being able to learn a move from TMs. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 02:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

::Yes, I'll find more TMs later because Wobbuffet can learn TMs so I'll check on Pokémon Storage System on my game. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

== Generation 1 Exclusive TM's and Pokemon that can only learn them in Gen 1. ==

'''TM02 Razor Wind''' - Normal - Butterfree, Pidgey, Zubat, Venomoth, Farfetch'd, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 07 Horn Drill''' - Normal - Nidorina/Nidoqueen, Tauros, Omastar, Dragonair/Dragonite, Mew.

'''TM 09 Take Down''' - Normal - Charmander, Squirtle, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Ekans, Pikachu, Sandshrew, Clefairy, Vulpix, Jigglypuff, Zubat, Oddish, Paras, Venonat, Diglett, Meowth, Psyduck, Mankey, Poliwag, Abra, Machop, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Geodude, Slowpoke, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Doduo, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Krabby, Voltorb, Exeggcute, Cubone, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Goldeen, Staryu, Mr Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Gyarados, Porygon, Omanyte, Kabuto, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dratini, Mewtwo, Mew.

[IN PROGRESS!]

10 Double-Edge Normal
11 BubbleBeam Water
12 Water Gun Water
13 Ice Beam Ice
14 Blizzard Ice
15 Hyper Beam Normal
16 Pay Day Normal
17 Submission Fighting
18 Counter Fighting
19 Seismic Toss Fighting
20 Rage Normal
21 Mega Drain Grass
22 SolarBeam Grass
23 Dragon Rage Dragon
24 Thunderbolt Electric
25 Thunder Electric
26 Earthquake Ground
27 Fissure Ground
28 Dig Ground
29 Psychic Psychic
30 Teleport Psychic
31 Mimic Normal
32 Double Team Normal
33 Reflect Psychic
34 Bide Normal
35 Metronome Normal
36 Selfdestruct Normal
37 Egg Bomb Normal
38 Fire Blast Fire
39 Swift Normal
40 Skull Bash Normal
41 Softboiled Normal
42 Dream Eater Psychic
43 Sky Attack Flying
44 Rest Psychic
45 Thunder Wave Electric
46 Psywave Psychic
47 Explosion Normal
48 Rock Slide Rock
49 Tri Attack Normal
50 Substitute Normal

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Mt. Silver

2017-03-27T05:15:54Z

Mcheetah: /* Grinding spot for Red */

==Silver Town==
I was wondering if we ought to create a page for [[Silver Town]]? It's a pretty big place in the Animé, and it should probably get it's own page. If no one disagrees in the next few days, I'll create it. [[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]] 23:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have no qualms about creating a page about Silver Town. My only suggestion would be that when you name it, call it '''Silver Town (Johto)''' because there's also a Silver Town in Kanto. It's where May defeated Jeremy and won her second contest ribbon. Besides that, I definitely think Silver Town deserves its own article. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 00:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Okay so ==

That template's way too long. I'm planning on making a separate template for use in big, multiroom caves like Mt. Silver and Mt. Coronet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== True or False? ==

{{p|Pupitar}} can be found in Mt. Silver. If true, add to article. If false, remove from {{p|Pupitar|here}}. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shinto Ruins ==
The article for the [[Shinto Ruins]] is located within the [[Ruins of Alph]] article. If you ask me, the Shinto Ruins are clearly on top of a mountain; furthermore, it seems to me that the mountain that it is located on is a sacred mountain like [[Mt. Coronet]]. {{wp|Mt. Fuji}}, which Mt. Silver is based off of, is probably the most famous sacred mountain in Japan. Furthermore, in the artwork for [[Ecruteak City]] in HGSS, Mt. Silver stands tall in the background. If you ask me, it seems evident that Shinto Ruins will be located on top of Mt. Silver, and I feel that perhaps we should move the Shinto Ruins article here, or at least say something about this in the Trivia. However, as we have no sufficient information regarding its location thus far, but shouldn't we, at the very least, make Shinto Ruins into its own article, instead of being part of the Ruins of Alph article? {{unsigned|Kamikarasu}}
:It's incorporated here because there is:
::a) a lack of information; and
::b) because the Shinto Ruins are accessed by taking Arceus to the Ruins of Alph.
:It is prefered to have a smaller number of high-quality articles than a {{cat|stubs|large number of articles with three or four sentences}}. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::Besides, if and when more information becomes known after the game's Japanese release, we can always split the Shinto Ruins into its own article at that time. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon of GSC ==

I think it's best for Pokémon found in GSC, to be kept.
Put it in a spoiler and add HGSS in --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:We don't need a spoiler tag for that. HGSS data will come as we get it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Maps ==

The article's maps for the interior and exterior of the mountain continue to utilize the Generation II graphics. Is there a particular reason why they haven't been updated? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 18:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Diamond Dust ==

The diamond dust affect the battle vs. Red, or not? --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 15:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, the hail effect is gone, just a normal battle. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 17:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Wrong trivia? ==

''"In Generation IV, the battle music in Mt. Silver, as well as Silver Cave and Route 28 is changed to the Kanto style, while in Generation II, it stayed as Johto style. The same music for Victory Road, Route 26, Route 27 and Tohjo Falls is affected by this change as well, but only after defeating the Elite Four for the first time and boarding the S.S. Aqua."''

I think that the music in Mt. Silver is the Johto one, and the Route 28 and all these areas use the Kanto music after the S.S. Aqua... At least i cheat to win the Elite Four and use the S.S Aqua and i notice that when i was in Route 28, the Kanto wild battle music is used, but just when i enter to Silver Cave i heard the Johto wild battle music.
--[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 02:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Item List ==

It seems to me that the item list needs to be divided into GSC and HGSS sections, as the pokemon are and like other routes/locations are throughout this site. For example, in HGSS, an Expert Belt can be found here (in the Moltres cave), and the Expert Balt subsection on the held item list indicates it is found in Mt. Silver but is not on this page. The maps also definitely need to be updated. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 03:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:Pure Incense can also be found, but is not listed here. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::You can edit the page if you want to... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pokédex location ==

When viewed in the Pokédex, Mt. Silver is shown as a Kanto location, for example, if you look up Rapidash, it is not shown as a Johto location, but a Kanto one. Is it already in the article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Generation 4 Pokemon ==

Let me start off by saying that I am a regular visitor to Mt. Silver (both grass and cave) for training purposes with my SS game. After taking a look at the Mt. Silver Pokemon section, though, I was rather perturbed by the fact that all the catch rates regarding the outside grass area and other sections of the Mt. Silver cave are missing.

My point: you can't get Ponyta, Rapidash, Doduo, Dodrio, or Tangela inside the cave, so why aren't they represented in an outside area section just like in Generation II? Is it just that nobody has gotten around to it yet?

I've already started keeping track of SS information and will have it posted as soon as I start getting really definite numbers for all of the areas in SS. I have access to HG info, too, and will gladly post it when I get solid numbers. (You all can email me your numbers, too, if you'd like! :) )--[[User:Tybear009|Tybear009]] 02:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:Try and do that if you want, but it's best to do it the way we already do—look at the game data and retrieve it. By playing, you can miss some levels, and you certainly won't be able to give encounter rates. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Layout==
[[User:Akurochan|Akurochan]] has uploaded really good maps of Mt. Silver in HGSS to the Archives. These need to be implemented into this page. The question is, how? Mt. Silver was pretty much completely redesigned for HGSS, making a comparison between the Gen II and Gen IV sprites nigh-on-impossible. Add in the fact that it has multiple interiors and exteriors, and you have a situation where making a template to display these maps would be an almost Herculean labor. So is anyone up to this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:Um... It's been more than a month. Does anyone have any ideas? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::When all else fails, just display it in a gallery. If I have time, I'll put it into fancier table. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 23:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I added what I could to the gallery, but we seem to be missing some (such as the entrance area by the Pokémon Center and the summit with Red). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen IV Encounter Rates ==

It's literally impossible for those encounter rates to be correct... anybody have the real stats? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 23:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

==Extra Trivia==
Could the fact that Red standing on the summit of Mt. Silver be a reference to the Rainbow song "Man on the Silver Mountain"? [[User:Videogames4all|Videogames4all]] 21:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

== Encounter rates ==

A bunch of encounter rates on this page are wrong for Crystal (GS are fine and I just fixed HGSS). The majority of sections do not total to 100%. Here are the totals for each subsection, at present.

'''Exterior'''
*Land
**Morning: 40%
**Day: 100%
**Night: 100%
*Surfing
**100%
*Fishing
**Old: 100%
**Good: 100%
**Super: 100%

'''1F'''
*Morning: 50%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 100%

'''2F'''
*Land
**Morning: 15%
**Day: 100%
**Night: 105%
*Surfing
**100%
*Fishing
**Old: 100%
**Good: 100%
**Super: 100%

'''Summit'''
*Morning: 50%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 100%

'''Chambers'''
*Morning: 20%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 80%

--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

:Are we allowed to copy data from serebii (which seems correct), and would explain the erroneous encounter rates? [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 14:43, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
::We are not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Shame, because they probably are correct. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 10:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

== Grinding spot for Red ==

Is this really the area with the strongest wild Pokemon in all of Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver?

The remakes also got rid of a LOT of grinding areas, like the SS Aqua and Viridian's Trainer House, and also now requires you to use an HM Slave to fight Red, meaning you'll only have five Pokemon to fight him with (unless one of your main six is an HM Slave, which rarely happens) instead of six-on-six like in the original. The Rock Climb crap annoys me so much and ruins what would've been an epic 6 on 6 battle with him, but is doesn't even seem like I can get my team high enough to even get up to the mid lv 80's with wild Pokemon only in the mid 40's to fight.

Is there anyway around this? And are there any better ways to get lv. 60 Pokemon up to Red's levels in the remakes in order to fight him since ALL of the old grind spots, like the SS Aqua, no longer are available in the remakes?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 05:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Mt. Silver

2017-03-27T05:13:59Z

Mcheetah: /* Grinding spot for Red */

==Silver Town==
I was wondering if we ought to create a page for [[Silver Town]]? It's a pretty big place in the Animé, and it should probably get it's own page. If no one disagrees in the next few days, I'll create it. [[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]] 23:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have no qualms about creating a page about Silver Town. My only suggestion would be that when you name it, call it '''Silver Town (Johto)''' because there's also a Silver Town in Kanto. It's where May defeated Jeremy and won her second contest ribbon. Besides that, I definitely think Silver Town deserves its own article. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 00:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Okay so ==

That template's way too long. I'm planning on making a separate template for use in big, multiroom caves like Mt. Silver and Mt. Coronet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== True or False? ==

{{p|Pupitar}} can be found in Mt. Silver. If true, add to article. If false, remove from {{p|Pupitar|here}}. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shinto Ruins ==
The article for the [[Shinto Ruins]] is located within the [[Ruins of Alph]] article. If you ask me, the Shinto Ruins are clearly on top of a mountain; furthermore, it seems to me that the mountain that it is located on is a sacred mountain like [[Mt. Coronet]]. {{wp|Mt. Fuji}}, which Mt. Silver is based off of, is probably the most famous sacred mountain in Japan. Furthermore, in the artwork for [[Ecruteak City]] in HGSS, Mt. Silver stands tall in the background. If you ask me, it seems evident that Shinto Ruins will be located on top of Mt. Silver, and I feel that perhaps we should move the Shinto Ruins article here, or at least say something about this in the Trivia. However, as we have no sufficient information regarding its location thus far, but shouldn't we, at the very least, make Shinto Ruins into its own article, instead of being part of the Ruins of Alph article? {{unsigned|Kamikarasu}}
:It's incorporated here because there is:
::a) a lack of information; and
::b) because the Shinto Ruins are accessed by taking Arceus to the Ruins of Alph.
:It is prefered to have a smaller number of high-quality articles than a {{cat|stubs|large number of articles with three or four sentences}}. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::Besides, if and when more information becomes known after the game's Japanese release, we can always split the Shinto Ruins into its own article at that time. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon of GSC ==

I think it's best for Pokémon found in GSC, to be kept.
Put it in a spoiler and add HGSS in --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:We don't need a spoiler tag for that. HGSS data will come as we get it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Maps ==

The article's maps for the interior and exterior of the mountain continue to utilize the Generation II graphics. Is there a particular reason why they haven't been updated? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 18:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Diamond Dust ==

The diamond dust affect the battle vs. Red, or not? --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 15:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, the hail effect is gone, just a normal battle. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 17:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Wrong trivia? ==

''"In Generation IV, the battle music in Mt. Silver, as well as Silver Cave and Route 28 is changed to the Kanto style, while in Generation II, it stayed as Johto style. The same music for Victory Road, Route 26, Route 27 and Tohjo Falls is affected by this change as well, but only after defeating the Elite Four for the first time and boarding the S.S. Aqua."''

I think that the music in Mt. Silver is the Johto one, and the Route 28 and all these areas use the Kanto music after the S.S. Aqua... At least i cheat to win the Elite Four and use the S.S Aqua and i notice that when i was in Route 28, the Kanto wild battle music is used, but just when i enter to Silver Cave i heard the Johto wild battle music.
--[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 02:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Item List ==

It seems to me that the item list needs to be divided into GSC and HGSS sections, as the pokemon are and like other routes/locations are throughout this site. For example, in HGSS, an Expert Belt can be found here (in the Moltres cave), and the Expert Balt subsection on the held item list indicates it is found in Mt. Silver but is not on this page. The maps also definitely need to be updated. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 03:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:Pure Incense can also be found, but is not listed here. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::You can edit the page if you want to... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pokédex location ==

When viewed in the Pokédex, Mt. Silver is shown as a Kanto location, for example, if you look up Rapidash, it is not shown as a Johto location, but a Kanto one. Is it already in the article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Generation 4 Pokemon ==

Let me start off by saying that I am a regular visitor to Mt. Silver (both grass and cave) for training purposes with my SS game. After taking a look at the Mt. Silver Pokemon section, though, I was rather perturbed by the fact that all the catch rates regarding the outside grass area and other sections of the Mt. Silver cave are missing.

My point: you can't get Ponyta, Rapidash, Doduo, Dodrio, or Tangela inside the cave, so why aren't they represented in an outside area section just like in Generation II? Is it just that nobody has gotten around to it yet?

I've already started keeping track of SS information and will have it posted as soon as I start getting really definite numbers for all of the areas in SS. I have access to HG info, too, and will gladly post it when I get solid numbers. (You all can email me your numbers, too, if you'd like! :) )--[[User:Tybear009|Tybear009]] 02:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:Try and do that if you want, but it's best to do it the way we already do—look at the game data and retrieve it. By playing, you can miss some levels, and you certainly won't be able to give encounter rates. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Layout==
[[User:Akurochan|Akurochan]] has uploaded really good maps of Mt. Silver in HGSS to the Archives. These need to be implemented into this page. The question is, how? Mt. Silver was pretty much completely redesigned for HGSS, making a comparison between the Gen II and Gen IV sprites nigh-on-impossible. Add in the fact that it has multiple interiors and exteriors, and you have a situation where making a template to display these maps would be an almost Herculean labor. So is anyone up to this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:Um... It's been more than a month. Does anyone have any ideas? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::When all else fails, just display it in a gallery. If I have time, I'll put it into fancier table. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 23:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I added what I could to the gallery, but we seem to be missing some (such as the entrance area by the Pokémon Center and the summit with Red). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen IV Encounter Rates ==

It's literally impossible for those encounter rates to be correct... anybody have the real stats? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 23:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

==Extra Trivia==
Could the fact that Red standing on the summit of Mt. Silver be a reference to the Rainbow song "Man on the Silver Mountain"? [[User:Videogames4all|Videogames4all]] 21:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

== Encounter rates ==

A bunch of encounter rates on this page are wrong for Crystal (GS are fine and I just fixed HGSS). The majority of sections do not total to 100%. Here are the totals for each subsection, at present.

'''Exterior'''
*Land
**Morning: 40%
**Day: 100%
**Night: 100%
*Surfing
**100%
*Fishing
**Old: 100%
**Good: 100%
**Super: 100%

'''1F'''
*Morning: 50%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 100%

'''2F'''
*Land
**Morning: 15%
**Day: 100%
**Night: 105%
*Surfing
**100%
*Fishing
**Old: 100%
**Good: 100%
**Super: 100%

'''Summit'''
*Morning: 50%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 100%

'''Chambers'''
*Morning: 20%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 80%

--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

:Are we allowed to copy data from serebii (which seems correct), and would explain the erroneous encounter rates? [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 14:43, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
::We are not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Shame, because they probably are correct. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 10:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

== Grinding spot for Red ==

Is this really the area with the strongest wild Pokemon in all of Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver?

The remakes also got rid of a LOT of grinding areas, like the SS Aqua, and also now requires you to use an HM Slave to fight Red, meaning you'll only have five Pokemon to fight him with (unless one of your main six is an HM Slave, which rarely happens) instead of six-on-six like in the original.

Is there anyway around this? And are there any better ways to get lv. 60 Pokemon up to Red's levels in the remakes in order to fight him since ALL of the old grind spots, like the SS Aqua, no longer are available in the remakes?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 05:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Mt. Silver

2017-03-27T05:13:40Z

Mcheetah: /* Grinding spot for Red */ new section

==Silver Town==
I was wondering if we ought to create a page for [[Silver Town]]? It's a pretty big place in the Animé, and it should probably get it's own page. If no one disagrees in the next few days, I'll create it. [[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]] 23:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have no qualms about creating a page about Silver Town. My only suggestion would be that when you name it, call it '''Silver Town (Johto)''' because there's also a Silver Town in Kanto. It's where May defeated Jeremy and won her second contest ribbon. Besides that, I definitely think Silver Town deserves its own article. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 00:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Okay so ==

That template's way too long. I'm planning on making a separate template for use in big, multiroom caves like Mt. Silver and Mt. Coronet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== True or False? ==

{{p|Pupitar}} can be found in Mt. Silver. If true, add to article. If false, remove from {{p|Pupitar|here}}. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shinto Ruins ==
The article for the [[Shinto Ruins]] is located within the [[Ruins of Alph]] article. If you ask me, the Shinto Ruins are clearly on top of a mountain; furthermore, it seems to me that the mountain that it is located on is a sacred mountain like [[Mt. Coronet]]. {{wp|Mt. Fuji}}, which Mt. Silver is based off of, is probably the most famous sacred mountain in Japan. Furthermore, in the artwork for [[Ecruteak City]] in HGSS, Mt. Silver stands tall in the background. If you ask me, it seems evident that Shinto Ruins will be located on top of Mt. Silver, and I feel that perhaps we should move the Shinto Ruins article here, or at least say something about this in the Trivia. However, as we have no sufficient information regarding its location thus far, but shouldn't we, at the very least, make Shinto Ruins into its own article, instead of being part of the Ruins of Alph article? {{unsigned|Kamikarasu}}
:It's incorporated here because there is:
::a) a lack of information; and
::b) because the Shinto Ruins are accessed by taking Arceus to the Ruins of Alph.
:It is prefered to have a smaller number of high-quality articles than a {{cat|stubs|large number of articles with three or four sentences}}. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::Besides, if and when more information becomes known after the game's Japanese release, we can always split the Shinto Ruins into its own article at that time. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon of GSC ==

I think it's best for Pokémon found in GSC, to be kept.
Put it in a spoiler and add HGSS in --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:We don't need a spoiler tag for that. HGSS data will come as we get it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Maps ==

The article's maps for the interior and exterior of the mountain continue to utilize the Generation II graphics. Is there a particular reason why they haven't been updated? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 18:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Diamond Dust ==

The diamond dust affect the battle vs. Red, or not? --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 15:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, the hail effect is gone, just a normal battle. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 17:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Wrong trivia? ==

''"In Generation IV, the battle music in Mt. Silver, as well as Silver Cave and Route 28 is changed to the Kanto style, while in Generation II, it stayed as Johto style. The same music for Victory Road, Route 26, Route 27 and Tohjo Falls is affected by this change as well, but only after defeating the Elite Four for the first time and boarding the S.S. Aqua."''

I think that the music in Mt. Silver is the Johto one, and the Route 28 and all these areas use the Kanto music after the S.S. Aqua... At least i cheat to win the Elite Four and use the S.S Aqua and i notice that when i was in Route 28, the Kanto wild battle music is used, but just when i enter to Silver Cave i heard the Johto wild battle music.
--[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 02:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Item List ==

It seems to me that the item list needs to be divided into GSC and HGSS sections, as the pokemon are and like other routes/locations are throughout this site. For example, in HGSS, an Expert Belt can be found here (in the Moltres cave), and the Expert Balt subsection on the held item list indicates it is found in Mt. Silver but is not on this page. The maps also definitely need to be updated. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 03:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:Pure Incense can also be found, but is not listed here. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::You can edit the page if you want to... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pokédex location ==

When viewed in the Pokédex, Mt. Silver is shown as a Kanto location, for example, if you look up Rapidash, it is not shown as a Johto location, but a Kanto one. Is it already in the article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Generation 4 Pokemon ==

Let me start off by saying that I am a regular visitor to Mt. Silver (both grass and cave) for training purposes with my SS game. After taking a look at the Mt. Silver Pokemon section, though, I was rather perturbed by the fact that all the catch rates regarding the outside grass area and other sections of the Mt. Silver cave are missing.

My point: you can't get Ponyta, Rapidash, Doduo, Dodrio, or Tangela inside the cave, so why aren't they represented in an outside area section just like in Generation II? Is it just that nobody has gotten around to it yet?

I've already started keeping track of SS information and will have it posted as soon as I start getting really definite numbers for all of the areas in SS. I have access to HG info, too, and will gladly post it when I get solid numbers. (You all can email me your numbers, too, if you'd like! :) )--[[User:Tybear009|Tybear009]] 02:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:Try and do that if you want, but it's best to do it the way we already do—look at the game data and retrieve it. By playing, you can miss some levels, and you certainly won't be able to give encounter rates. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Layout==
[[User:Akurochan|Akurochan]] has uploaded really good maps of Mt. Silver in HGSS to the Archives. These need to be implemented into this page. The question is, how? Mt. Silver was pretty much completely redesigned for HGSS, making a comparison between the Gen II and Gen IV sprites nigh-on-impossible. Add in the fact that it has multiple interiors and exteriors, and you have a situation where making a template to display these maps would be an almost Herculean labor. So is anyone up to this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:Um... It's been more than a month. Does anyone have any ideas? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::When all else fails, just display it in a gallery. If I have time, I'll put it into fancier table. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 23:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I added what I could to the gallery, but we seem to be missing some (such as the entrance area by the Pokémon Center and the summit with Red). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen IV Encounter Rates ==

It's literally impossible for those encounter rates to be correct... anybody have the real stats? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 23:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

==Extra Trivia==
Could the fact that Red standing on the summit of Mt. Silver be a reference to the Rainbow song "Man on the Silver Mountain"? [[User:Videogames4all|Videogames4all]] 21:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

== Encounter rates ==

A bunch of encounter rates on this page are wrong for Crystal (GS are fine and I just fixed HGSS). The majority of sections do not total to 100%. Here are the totals for each subsection, at present.

'''Exterior'''
*Land
**Morning: 40%
**Day: 100%
**Night: 100%
*Surfing
**100%
*Fishing
**Old: 100%
**Good: 100%
**Super: 100%

'''1F'''
*Morning: 50%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 100%

'''2F'''
*Land
**Morning: 15%
**Day: 100%
**Night: 105%
*Surfing
**100%
*Fishing
**Old: 100%
**Good: 100%
**Super: 100%

'''Summit'''
*Morning: 50%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 100%

'''Chambers'''
*Morning: 20%
*Day: 100%
*Night: 80%

--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

:Are we allowed to copy data from serebii (which seems correct), and would explain the erroneous encounter rates? [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 14:43, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
::We are not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Shame, because they probably are correct. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 10:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

== Grinding spot for Red ==

Is this really the area with the strongest Pokemon in all of Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver?

The remakes also got rid of a LOT of grinding areas, like the SS Aqua, and also now requires you to use an HM Slave to fight Red, meaning you'll only have five Pokemon to fight him with (unless one of your main six is an HM Slave, which rarely happens) instead of six-on-six like in the original.

Is there anyway around this? And are there any better ways to get lv. 60 Pokemon up to Red's levels in the remakes in order to fight him since ALL of the old grind spots, like the SS Aqua, no longer are available in the remakes?

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Talk:Gary Oak

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== Game data ==
Should Gary's game data be here or under "Blue_(game)"? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

== Dub only line ==
"Gary has an attitude of catch first, ask questions later, as seen in It's Mr. Mime Time."

I recall hearing this in the dub; is it a dub only line? --[[User:Paperfairy|Paperfairy]]

== Gary's Electabuzz? ==

How do we know that his Electivire evolved from Electabuzz? Where's the proof? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 05:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:well the only way to get an electrivire is to evolve a electabbuzz by tradin with electrizer but im not sure if it applies to the anime [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]

Old comment!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
::And obviously, Evolving in the anime is WAY different that in games. Slopoke -> Slowbro for example.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 22:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Also misty getting her [[Misty's Politoed|Politoed]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 13:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== about his pokemon... ==

Look, I know the Jr. novelizations of pokemon aren't exactly canon with the pokemon series and all that, but didn't they mention Gary also having a Charizard and a Venusaur in addition to his Blastoise in the book "Stage fight"? I mean, sure, that book might not have been canon (It mentioned Ash's Pidgeot still being under his command despite his releasing it right after it evolved and defeated Fearow), but shouldn't it at least be worth noting in at least the Trivia section? just wondering.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

:If we note that, then we'd also have to note the Charizard he toted in the Robot Chicken sketch "Pikachu Secret", from the episode {{wp|Cracked China}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

::Those books were basically authorized fanfiction. It's non-canon, so it shouldn't be mentioned. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 23:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

== Gary's Status ==
I remember that Gary used to be a trainer, but he stop to be a pokemon researcher, I'm not sure which region, but here was even in Pokemon Housou/ Chronicles as such, shouldn't his status change from trainer to professor or something? - [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 03:24, 07 October 2007 (UTC)
:Technically now he's not yet Professor Oak the younger, because he hasn't been seen to get whatever one needs... and has no labcoat. He's on his way... but I don't think he's a professor yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:I don't that he is a Rivel of Ash anymore , I think that Paul is more of Rivel than Gary.
[[User:Pokemon157|Pokemon157]] 5:34, 08 October 2007
::Paul's more of an asshat than Gary now, yes, but Gary and Ash are still rivals, though on more friendly terms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Temporary ==

Do we really need the temporary section in the page? This is Gary we're talking about, not Max. [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 17:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

:He didn't keep the {{p|Hoothoot}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, or {{p|Shieldon}}. Thus, we need that Temporary section. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Its just like Max. He just befriended them and he never caught them. Hoothoot was just rented. That doesn't mean you own it. [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 18:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's Appearance ==
I'm not sure if this is valid but, aside from the fact that he has the same voice actor, but he also wears the same clothing as the video game, in the Kanto series of Pokemon he wore the same thing or at least a strong look-a-like of his game counterpart, in the rest of the series (from the point of Pokemon: FireRed and LeafGreen) Gary changes to a black shirt and purple pants, I believe that ever since that time and the fact that his character was not designed to wear new clothing, that he still looks the way he is in Diamond and Pearl Series

Also, Ash, Brock and Misty changes their clothing during each arc, this is just something i felt i need to being to notice, if you already know this sorry. - [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 07:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah. Gary's design during the Gen I/II era of the anime (AKA, the [[original series]] in its entirety) was based off of {{ga|Blue}}'s Red/Blue art. During the Gen III/IV era (the [[Advance Generation series|Advance Generation]] and [[Diamond & Pearl series]]), his design's based off of Blue's FireRed/LeafGreen art. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

When did Gary wear a kimono? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 17:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

When the original trio was looking for a place to stay in Season 1 but... I 4get wich eppy!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'' if I remember correctly. Let me just check. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::yep ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Where'd u find it?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:I just pulled the episode out of storage and watched it to see if it was correct. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Houndoom? ==

When did Gary get a Houndoom?[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]
:Well according to [http://www.serebii.net/anime/characters/gary.shtml here,] he never batteled with it, but it was seen on a computer with his profile in [[EP269|The Ties that Bind]]. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 20:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Edit ==

Could a mod please change the [[EP001]] in trivia to [[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 17:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia question ==

Seeing as May's Eevee has evolved, should it really be mentioned as a counterpart to Gary's Umbreon? If a Pokémon is really needed for the sake of comparison, might I suggest adding her Wartortle to the part mentioning Gary's Blastoise and Ash's Squirtle? [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 18:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
:It might have been a counterpart, but May hasn't actually ever met Gary...so, I don't think it would be. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dodrio==
How do we know Dodrio is in storage or not on hand? SinceIts last appearance it hasnt been comented on so we dont know where it is, maybe status unknown?--[[User:David aipom|''David Aipom'']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] Sonic Electronic]] 20:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Badges==
According to EP063, Gary says that he has 10 badges. He shows his badge case to Ash, and it clearly shows 10 badges. Change the number? [[User:Forretress205|Forretress205 ]] 21:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:That means he got 4 more badges after EP025. Not 4 in total! [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== EP013 ==

EP013 shows the images of all of Gary's caught Pokémon on the background screen. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please post. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:As far as I can remember only Gary's Krabby was shown. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::See here: [[:a:File:Bill.jpg]] More than JUST Krabby... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Those aren't Gary's Pokémon. That's just Bill describing the known Pokémon. Gary wasn't even mentioned in this part. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::As you can see, the are in Pokédex order. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm REALLY sure that there was a time where he was talking about the amount Gary had in comparison to the amount Ash had (7)... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, when he was talking to Professor Oak. I remember this seen. A list of all 150 (though I don't know how its possible because no one knew about Dragonite or Mewtwo) flashed on the screen when Bill was talking about how there could be many more. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, they DID know about Dragonite, that scene with the giant Dragonite was just because it was enormous, not because they didn't know what it was. If they didn't know about Dragonite, then how could the guy in the Orange League have one?(Moot point, but still.)[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It's called a retcon or inconsistency. And if they had known about Dragonite as a species, why didn't Bill mention that the mystery Pokémon was one? And don't tell me that Bill didn't realize the Pokémon's species due to never getting to fully see it, he had recorded the Pokémon's cry. He SHOULD have realized the Pokémon was a Dragonite by listening to its cry. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 04:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gary's pokemon ==

Of course we can't add pages of ALL of Gary's pokemon, as he has literally millions XD

Anyways, I believe we should make pages of the ones he's battled with, such as his {{p|Scizor}} and {{p|Golem}} he used in [[EP270|Can't beat the heat]]. I mean we have a page for his [[Gary's Nidoqueen|Nidoqueen]], who only appeared in two episodes, so why not them? -- [[User:050294|050294]] 02:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:Apparently, one cannot count...look at moveset. It appeared the ep afterwards. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::However, see [[User:MAGNEDETH/Notability|here]]. Vote and decide for self. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Removal of unsatisfactory tag !!! ==

I have replaced "Gary's collection of Kanto badges" image because it was in unsatisfactory. This is my kind request to administrators, please check out the new image and if you like it then remove the unsatisfactory tag over it.
Along with that i have replaced another image in "Pokédex" article (1st image of the article) because the previous image was also in unsatisfactory. I want to remove that unsatisfactory template myself but i don't no whether we are allowed to remove that template or an administrator can do this job only.
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 05:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Anyone can remove a bad picture template... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh thank you very much.
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confused ==

In the article, it said that in "A Tents Situation", Gary came to Pallet, and challenged Ash to a battle (Eevee vs. Pikachu) and won. Didn't the battle happen in "A Rivalry Revival?" * (I'm now using star to refer to my old thingy.) [[User:Garyplusash|Garyplusash]] 20:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:According to the "Main events" scetion in the episode pages, Gary challenged Ash (or vice versa) in ''[[EP115|A Tents Situation]]'', but the battle didn't happen untill ''[[EP116|A Rivalry Revival]]''. Both you and the article are right. [[User:Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Current Pic ==

Is that what his hair looks like now, or is that a bad angle? Because he looks completely different than he used to... so i was wondering if that was just a bad pic (and if so, can we get a better one?) or if he really just changed THAT much [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 07:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the image.
But still, i will try to search a better image (if possible).
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 09:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:There's nothing wrong with the image. Don't change it at all unless you find a pan shot. As for his appearance, he's looked like that since [[AG192]]. They gave him the appearance of {{ga|Blue}} in FRLG. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 17:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, so he DID just change a lot. Because his hair is completely different in that picture, and i've seen some shots online in which his hair has the original style (but the new color). If i find them again, should i upload them here? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with his hairs.
It is just a shady look. Checkout gary's old picture and new one, there is a slight (a little) difference and that is because of shade (i think).
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 03:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It's nothing about the shade. It's the fact his hair looks more like Brock's in the picture. Like, it's not long enough in the front and everything. Thats why i thought it was just a bad shot. If his hair is still long in the front, then we need a new pic. If he's gotten a complete renovation... then it's fine. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 16:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's fine. If we want more info about it then we have to wait for Gary's next appearance.
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Latest trivia ==

"Gary is the only main rival not to have at least one Grass-type Pokémon."

What exactly qualifies as a "main rival"? I would consider both Ritchie and Zoey as main rivals and they don't have Grass-types. Or was this person just talking about Ash's regular rivals? Gary, Paul, and Barry. Cause if that's it, then it's not really notable. I think it should be removed on the of either it's not notable due to Ash's lack of regular rivals or that it isn't true as Zoey is very much a regular rival and does not have a Grass-type. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Paul, Barry and Gary are the rivals to appear the most but Ritchie also appears a lot. I wouldn't say that there is any main rivals, except Gary, and he isn't even really a rival any more. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 20:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Recently added Trivia ==

''Gary is the only main rival not to have at least one {{type|Grass}} Pokémon.''

Who counts as a "main rival"? If we are just counting Ash's rivals, then there are only two "main" rivals - Gary and Paul. If we count Barry then we should probably count Richie, who doesn't have any grass types. If we are counting Contest rivals then Zoey doesn't have any grass types. If we really are just counting Gary, Paul and Barry, then is it really notable, especially given that the following are also true: Gary doesn't have a fighting type, Barry doesn't have a ground type, rock type, fire type or Dark type, while Paul is the only one with an Ice type and Gary is the only one with a dragon type. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:We were just talking about this. See above. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 20:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::I removed it already. It's untrue. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Or at least a very bad piece of trivia as we could go through them all, as Werdnae said, and place them all up. It is just pointless so it was best to remove it. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 20:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::(edit conflict)(edit conflict) I saw that just after I hit "Save Page". I guess that's what happens when I try to do two things at once :P [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Birthday? ==

Didn't he and Ash both start their journey on there 10th birthday? If so, it should be put in the trivia that he and Ash both have the same birthday. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 22:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-Hinoarashi]]
:I think the anime said that Oak gives out his Pokémon once a year. I also think the "starting at 10" thing comes from the games, while in the anime trainers ''can'' get their license to be a trainer at 10. I think... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 23:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Dodrio ==

Are we sure that the Dodrio that Gary has is the same Doduo he had at Oak's lab? I mean, in that episode, Gary was revealed to have over 200 Pokémon, implying most if not ALL non-legendaries known at the time, as well as multiples of some of them. Therefore, it is possible, nay, likely, that this Dodrio and that Doduo are not the same Pokémon. Unless I missed something, of course. Gary never identified this Dodrio as the Doduo from Showdown at the Po-Ke Corral, did he? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gary's eye color ==

For future reference, because I have seen people reverting it back to black, it IS green and there is proof on Puds' talk page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Puds]
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b121/kennykyo/GREENEYES.jpg

Hopefully this will resolve the little edit wars we seem to be getting in.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 22:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
== Gary's badge case ==
I was wondering if his badge case was the first badge case shown by a main character and brought the possibility of having badge cases in future seasons?--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 19:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Surname? ==

Just being curious, does anybody ever say that Gary's surname is Oak? [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 10:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. I can't give you an exact episode number, but yes. They've said his full name before. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
::Oh, okay then. Just because I couldn't remember a single instance, and I was assuming that people ony say his surname is Oak, because, you know, Prof. Oak is his grandfather... But you know, if the professor was his mother's father, Gary's surname would probably be something else. Except is somehow both ot his parents are called Oak. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 02:23, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

== eye color again ==
The picture above shows it to be green, so why is it listed as black?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== flashback confusion ==

Sometime during the Advanced Generation series (or so at least I think, I might be wrong), I recall Ash having a flashback about his meeting with Gary in some snowy area. I'm almost positive to had seen all episodes, movies and side story episodes up to that point, but I don't recall that particular scene in any of them. Did that happen in one of the Pikachu short stories or not at all and I'm just imagining things? I hope someone knows what I'm talking about. EDIT: could be from AG187--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Bump--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:02, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

== Return of Gary Oak ==
Anybody can confirm me that Gary is going to make an appearance in {{series|XY}}, I have heard recently many times he is going to make an appearance as he also attended the summer camp.......is there any official info ??!--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 04:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
*There is none. The forum has a thread about it though, so feel free to discuss it there :) [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 04:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Gary Oak's Mother ==

We've seen Gary's mom a few times driving around their convertible that Gary is in with his cheerleaders/fans/girlfriends. But I see no page or mention of her. Why not? I think it's important to know who Samuel Oak's daughter is, either in the games (canon) or anime/mangas.

http://i.imgur.com/6Ebdt.jpg

Also, does his cheerleader group of six fans from seasons one and two have names?

http://www.filb.de/content/anime/pm/018/357.jpg

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==Bonsly==
Er, should we really include Bonsly just because it's using a move one generation before its (Bonsly's, I mean) official debut? On that note, there's a Machamp in one of the Battle CDs that can use Swords Dance. I'll try to find more details. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:I agree, including Bonsly's Rock Slide is comparable to adding every move used by Harrison's Blaziken/Kecleon, May's Munchlax, James's Mime Jr. and Brock's Bonsly and the others [[anime move errors|here]].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::Completely agree. Bonsly can learn Rock Slide after it is available in-game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

==Moves at the wrong level==
Should we list moves that Pokémon can learn, but cannot know at their level? For example, a user recently added Winona's Altaria for {{m|Dragon Dance}}. If we do, they should certainly be in a separate section to the rest of them, like the illegal combinations are. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:I've moved Altaria to its own section, are there any others that need added? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

== Guardian Signs skills ==

I don't think we should be listing "throwing rocks" and "teleporting" as using the moves. They can simply be skills rather than moves, and based on Pokémon Ranger as a whole, are very unlikely to be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
:A little late, but I agree. For all we know, they are simply using {{m|Fling}}, or even just throwing them without any sort of attack being involved. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::I got rid of the "rock throw", but I think Bronzor using Teleport should stay, I don't think there is a difference between Teleport and 'teleporting'. IMO, it would be the same as saying, for example, the Bellsprout in [[DP134]] is just absorbing the foe's energy, instead of using {{m|Absorb}}. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

== Mainspace? ==

Is there any reason why this page should not yet be mainspaced? It looks all right to me. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

== Goldeen's Splash in Smash Bros? ==

In the Smash Bros series, Goldeen used Splash when sent out, despite being unable to learn that move by any means. Should it be added? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

== Rayquaza's Dig ==

In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Rayquaza attacks by using Dig, which it can't learn in the games. {{unsigned|Squirtle drink}}
:Just checked the appropriate pages to make sure, and it looks like a move error to me. Will add it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon Stadium 2 Problems ==

I haven't played Stadium 2 in ages so I could be wrong but I think that there are mistakes in the raichu and the exeggutor. I believe that if you beat round 2 mode of Stadium 2 and brought pikachu with you in each battle, it rewarded you by letting you teach it surf. If that is the case then it would be possible to have a raichu with an egg move and surf. I also think that you could use TMs from RBY on a pokémon in a GSC game if you went to that place that you could move boxes and items around. I'm less sure on that one though because it was long before I bred for egg moves so I could be completely off base there. [[User:O76923|O76923]] ([[User talk:O76923|talk]]) 09:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
:Reversal and AncientPower were introduced in Generation II, so you can't trade Pokémon that know them to Generation I games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

==Sidney's Shiftry==
It is level 48 and knows Extrasensory which Nuzleaf doesn't normally learn until level 49. {{unsigned|Gatogirl}}
:After checking, I am able to confirm that it should not learn it that early. Also, since Seedot cannot learn it by breeding, I added it to the list. Thanks for catching that. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 00:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
::Let me ask you a question. Why didn't you add it yourself? I will admit that sometimes I bring something up in the discussion pages if I'm about to add something that's questionable. But since you know for a fact that's true and worthy, I don't see how you couldn't add it yourself. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 17:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

== Bruno's Exeggutor ==

Could we reword the sentence for Bruno's Exeggutor so it says it couldn't learn both {{m|AncientPower}} and {{m|Explosion}} simultaneously at the time, because since Gen III it's been possible to have an Exeggutor that legally knows both those moves. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 12:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI illegal move? ==

I noticed on Battle Chatelaine Evelyn's page, that her Entei knows Sacred Fire. If I have seen it correctly, shouldn't Ho-Oh be the only one with this move or do we have to wait to tell for this one? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 02:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:Since Entei is not currently available in Generation VI, we actually don't know if it can learn Sacred Fire. Until Poké Transporter is released, I think it is best to give the game the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
::Seeing as Pokémon Bank was released today, I guess we'll see soon enough if it's an illegal move eh? :P ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 19:15, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
:::It's been known for almost a day that Entei can now learn it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Oh, I thought it came out today, didn't know. Sorry. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

== Entei ==
In that image of Bryce's Piloswine using Fury Attack, that's Entei on the defence isn't it? It doesn't match the G2 sprites given on Entei's page, but it sure looks like Entei's G3 backsprites. Did it have a different back sprite in Crystal that Entei's page doesn't have on record? [[User:Bug Catcher Wade|'''Bug Catcher Wade''']] 08:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, it's its [[a:File:Spr b 2c 244.png|Crystal sprite]]. We are currently working on to update the sprite template so that it can have all the sprites.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== Victory Road Flygon ==

In Pokémon Black/White 2, I might get the level wrong, but you have to trust me. I fought a Flygon in Victory Road that hit my Flygon with Dragon Claw at level 54, despite learning it at level 55.

He might have taught it via TM, but I'm just peeved off he beat up my Flygon that was the SAME EXACT LEVEL with a move that he doesn't learn naturally at the level.
[[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's not unusual at all for regular trainers to use TM moves, even if they'd be part of a learnset at a later level. It's otherwise not worth putting in this article. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 03:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Really now? I never noticed any out-of-the-blue TM moves. Probably because I'm always so overleveled and one-shot them.
But, isn't the TM for that located at Dragonspiral Tower? It's out of place. But I'm still angry at that trainer. [[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 19:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:TM02 is in Victory Road in BW. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 06:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
::Never mind, I mistook your game for BW when it was BW2. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 09:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Fairy Wind Gardevoir ==

Should it be in this article since they probably changed it before they released the game. [[User:Ellis99|Ellis99]] ([[User talk:Ellis99|talk]]) 08:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:They did, but I still think it is interesting to note. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Rumble World ==

Since the Froakie and Togepi were, in fact, gifts, should their moves be considered event moves in the vein of {{DL|List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V|15th Anniversary Rayquaza}}'s {{m|V-create}} and [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects#Entei|Shiny Entei]]'s {{m|Flare Blitz}}? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 13:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:The main difference is that the event Pokémon were distributed for the main games with the move in question. As for the Gift Froakie and Togepi, it's best if we don't list their illegal moves as event moves; that could create confusion. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

==Winstrate Vicky's Meditite and Norman's Linoone==
It is level 18 and knows [[Hi Jump Kick]] which Meditite doesn't normally learn until level 32 in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. Is a move at the wrong level? In Pokémon Colosseum is one of its purified moves. [[User:NeoCrimson|NeoCrimson]] 04:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
:It's possible to breed a Meditite with Hi Jump Kick (so hatching at level 5 in Gen III) if both parents know it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
::I see. And about Norman's Linoone in Emerald? Zigzagoon cannot learn [[Slash]]. [[User:NeoCrimson|NeoCrimson]] 03:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
:::That would be an example. I've added it to the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

== On Aerodactyl and Dragonite ==

Shouldn't they be a former error? Other error pages have former error sections, so... [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 11:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:Unless an old game is updated (not talking about remakes), it is not possible for an error to become a "former" error like it may for the anime, manga, or TCG. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
::As the page stands, we do list if a move became (or formerly was) learnable by the Pokémon, but the error is still in the game where it is impossible, so it stays in the errors section. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding Moltres's Leer Error Status ==

It doesn't seem like Leer Moltres should be listed on this page. In Japan, "Leer Moltres" has become an internet meme of sorts, lamenting Moltres for learning the move in Gen I at the same level Articuno learns Blizzard and Zapdos learns Thunder. Considering the PWT download tournament gave Moltres the move deliberately to reference this, does it really qualify as an "error"? [[User:Desupisaro|Desupisaro]] ([[User talk:Desupisaro|talk]]) 06:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:It would as a player cannot own a Moltres with the move in that Generation legally. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Nobody mentioned Blissey with Reflect? ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKwfi-3Tss

Although Chansey can in RBY, there's no way for Blissey to have it in XD. I'd add it myself, but I'm afraid of breaking the table. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so I thought that area was just gray because it was highlighting the change. I was wrong. I'll try to fix that now. Also, I tried to upload this image, but it wouldn't let me. [http://i.imgur.com/6DuedHN.png] [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Never mind; Cold beat me to it. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

== Section naming ==

Just to say that somewhere, I chose "Pokémon with unobtainable movesets in-game" over "Pokémon with unobtainable movesets in the core games" because that can be read as "(Pokémon with unobtainable movesets) in the core games" instead of "Pokémon with (unobtainable movesets in the core games)", which frankly was what I initially did. And I chose "Single unobtainable moves" down at the spin offs because I'd like to avoid a list under a non-bottom layer headline, and because that is consistent to the section above. I'm ok with the current state as well. (And I agree it's iffy to strictly bind spin-offs by core games, but that's another discussion I guess). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:As for the former part, I don't think there's really much difference. Either way, "in the core games" is a very essential part of it.
:I don't know if the latter part really has any easy solution (maybe there could be something, but not what it was, at least), but we already do pretty much exactly that often/prominently enough elsewhere... Witness {{DL|Bulbasaur|Game locations}} and {{DL|Bulbasaur|In side games}}/etc. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::For the difference, well, if it's "core games" as in "core series", Bandana Guy Noxy's Lotad, for example, is in line with the second reading from above but not the first one.
::I just didn't intend "single moves" to be "at most one per poke" necessarily, so that's my solution :P I can't think of anything else, and I wouldn't have mentioned it if I wasn't writing here anyway. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Colo/XD/etc, I think I'm just going to cop out by saying, obviously they're in there (and meant to be), so take ''that'' interpretation. If I weren't a lazy sort most of the time, I might try to fix the section title to explicitly account for both; but at the same time, trying to do anything like that gets clunky too. Trade-offs. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Ok, imma stop throwing interpretations at you, I just wanted you (or anyone) to at least trade off against known info. (Also, one of the wisest trade-offs of all time. All time.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

== Generation I exclusive TM's and moves for Pokemon that can't use them elsewhere ==

Hi. I wanted to know if there was a list anywhere of '''Pokemon moves that can only be taught in generation I via TM that cannot be taught in any other generation or game''' since Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow have now been re-released and can be transferred via Pokemon Box. I want to use all my Pokemon Red TM's on Pokemon that can no longer use the moves anywhere else, like Skull Bash on Pikachu and Teleport on Mewtwo. Is there anywhere on this site I can find those out in one place? Is there a way to add that onto this page? Thank you.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 01:50, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Purify Chamber

2016-08-15T16:38:11Z

Mcheetah: /* Purifying Shadow Lugia in Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness */

==Merge==
Originally suggested [[Talk:Super Glitch (move)|here]]. Place your objections below. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]] 10:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
:'''Weak Oppose''': Purify Chamber is the location while Purification is the process. [[User:Neobenedict|Neobenedict]] 13:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::It doesn't mean that Purification can't have a subsection on Purify Chamber. They are very closely related. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I oppose, because the Purify Chamber is notable. I just don't think it has all the information it needs yet. I think I can squeeze out some stuff from XD for this. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I've reconsidered, and I oppose. You can do it at the [[Relic Stone]] as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

== name ==

the manual for XD says that the name is '''Purify Chamber'''. Should this be moved to reflect that? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:If it's in the manual then yea. Is that what it is called in the game? I have not played it in a while.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
::I'll check. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:44, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:::It is known as that in-game too. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Alright, you moved it right?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not yet. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== Purifying Shadow Lugia in Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness ==

Use this combination of Snaggable In-game Pokemon to purify Shadow Lugia. It is just one of many possible combinations.

1- Spheal, Houndour, Hoppip, Primeape + Shadow Lugia

2- Voltorb, Golduck, Swinub, wild Sandshrew

3- Exeggutor, Grimer, Nuzleaf, Magcargo

4- Nosepass, Xatu, Gulpin, Roselia

5- Banette, Mr. Mime, Ariados, Poochyena

6- Tangela, Sharpedo, Phanpy, Rapidash

7- Hypno, Hitmonlee, Sableye, Dusclops

8- Manectric, Wooper, Rhydon, Camerupt

9- Poliwrath, Togetic, Hitmonchan, Pideotto

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 16:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Purify Chamber

2016-08-15T16:37:24Z

Mcheetah: /* Purifying Shadow Lugia in Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness */ new section

Talk:Shadow Lugia

2016-08-15T14:29:48Z

Mcheetah: /* Purifying Shadow Lugia */ new section

According to Pokémon Zeo, the Pokémon Center in Tokyo is giving away Jumbo Promos of [[Shadow Lugia]]. The link for the picture is right [http://www.sugarshock.net/global/promo.gif here]. I feel that it's worth mentioning.-Pokencyclopedia

Perhaps. Ask nYoo for better scans first. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 18:23, 15 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Hm yeah I think so, too, that it's worth being mentioned. I'll scan the card soon. :) --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 11:16, 16 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Also, the article mentions time flutes, which don't exist in XD, only in colosseum. That should probably be removed. [[User:Mathmagus|Mathmagus]] 11:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:Speaking of [[Time Flute]]s, the Time Flute article says there's 4 of them, yet I can only recall 3 existing: the one [[Vander]] gives you, the one that requires the [[U-Disk]] to reach, and the one at the top of [[Mt. Battle]]. Are those really the only three, and if not, where's this fourth one? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

::Maybe the fourth one, if there is one, was broken, lost or somethings...? *is in Science ICT class at school at the moment* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

could shadow Lugia actually be another form for [[lugia]] somehow, but in [[Pokémon XD]] labelled as a [[shadow Pokémon]] ?12:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Should it be noted that Shadow Lugia is the only Shadow Pokémon who is a different color than its Purified form? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

What about the fact that it's XD'''001'''? Could it be possible that they are planning a sequel with XD'''002'''? Sk8torchic 18:43, 10/10/2008 (EST)
:NO. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]
::WHY?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== Defeating Lugia ==

If you defeat Lugia in battle, does he ever show up with Miror B? I haven't had the guts to try this myself, although I might in the next few weeks. [[User:Machinedramon|Machinedramon]] 20:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:This section may be old, but I've been wondering the same thing myself. Would XD001 be owned by Miror B. if it were defeated without being caught? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:This is quite old, but I believe I hold the answer. Last time I played XD, I defeated Lugia to make Greevil's battle easier. I then came back to Snag Shadow Moltres, and it appeared. This is from memory and some research, as Miror B. cannot hold Shadow Lugia, as it was never crammed in a Poke Ball.[[User:Blitzamirin|Blitzamirin]] 15:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Shadow Lugia ==
Does anyone know what happens if Shadow Lugia happens to be [[Shiny]]? Does it just look like a normal Shadow Lugia until it is purified, or does it have a difference? Because if it does, then Lugia will hold the record for having the most alternate colorations for a single form... maybe a hack of XD is in order? --[[User:Unknown???|'''VW5''rbm''93bj8/Pw==''']] ''[[User talk:Unknown???|(d'''EBM'''aw==)]]'' 00:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
:I know this is old, but for convenience, I saw someone test it. Seems that Bonsly and Shadow Lugia show no differences in Shiny Forms, but let out a sparkle (like all shinies). However, Shadow Lugia becomes Shiny after purification.[[User:Blitzamirin|Blitzamirin]] 15:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Sprite ==
The custom sprite on this page is only a recoloured normal Lugia sprite, and does not show Shadow Lugia's other features, such as its longer talons, & its jagged eye plate things & longer head spike. I can swap the sprite for a more accurate version if there are no objections?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Purifying Shadow Lugia ==

It says you need to have all nine Purification Chamber slots filled with max Tempo. But what Pokemon from the game will maximize this?

What Pokemon in what sequence will purify Shadow Lugia?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 14:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Crystal Onix

2016-08-04T09:09:12Z

Mcheetah: /* Alola Form Crystal Onix */

== Alternate Coloration ==

Since it seems like it's been debated, rather than reverting an edit I'd prefer it discussed here. Since being made of crystal isn't the official alternate colour of Onix, I don't think it should be listed. Also, alternate coloration was not officially introduced yet ([[Pokémon Gold and Silver|Gold/Silver]] wasn't released, and the concept wasn't formally introduced into the anime until [[EP154]]. Could a compromise be made by putting a link in the 'see also' section? ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 01:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point, but I accept the revert--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget that a crystal Onix is alternate '''materialization'''--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:Well we say the [[Pink Butterfree]] is an alternate colored Pokémon, matter of fact the first to appear in the anime, yet it's not what the shiny version looks like. And that was way before the Crystal Onix. The meaning of alternate coloration doesn't mean it's "Shiny". It just simply means it's a different color then the norm of its species. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::The Pink Butterfree appeared in the anime before Shiny Pokémon had even been invented, and they just made the Butterfree pink to show that it was female. Still, I think it should still be on the list of Shiny Pokémon. But maybe the Crystal Onix should be in a sub-category called "Other Special Pokémon" or something like that. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 09:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== Typing ==

Crystal Onix is still Rock/Ground typing isn't it? It was able to repel and even live in water, which rock and ground type cannot do.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 05:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Filler season of the anime from ten years ago. It's made of glass. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh alright. Thanks. And in my opinion, ''all'' of the anime is filler--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Concerning the typing of the Crystal Onix... I realize that fan-created sites are not canon, but can it be mentioned as trivia that on '''Global PokedeX Plus''' the Crystal Onix is a 'Novelty' Pokemon whose type is Rock/Ice? [[User:ILOVETOGETIC|I♥Togetic]] 19:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Anime's take on the "Diamond Onix" Pokédex entry? ==
Could this have been a reference to the "Onix's body becomes more like diamond than rock if it lives for long enough" Pokédex entry from one of the early games? Can't remember which off the top of my head, but I know one of the earlier games (1st-generation) had an entry like that.

And though I'm sure it was a coincidence (I doubt the anime people knew exact details of Steelix and its weaknesses that far ahead of time), the "more resistant to water, but weaker against fire" thing also makes me think of the change from Rock to Steel that comes when an Onix evolves into Steelix... --[[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 06:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
: "As it grows, the stone portions of its body harden to become similar to a diamond, but colored black." ~ [[Onix_(Pokémon)#Pokédex_entries_3|Pokémon Red and Blue]] It could be a possible reference, though I am not sure we could make use of this without it becoming speculation. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

== Alola Form Crystal Onix ==

Given how people are basically saying Sun and Moon is a canonized version of the Orange Islands, is it really so ''Farfetch'd'' to think we'd wouldn't get a Crystal Onix that is Ice/Steel type in Alola? They've got to make this happen, right?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 09:08, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Crystal Onix

2016-08-04T09:08:31Z

Mcheetah: /* Alola Form Crystal Onix */ new section

== Alternate Coloration ==

Since it seems like it's been debated, rather than reverting an edit I'd prefer it discussed here. Since being made of crystal isn't the official alternate colour of Onix, I don't think it should be listed. Also, alternate coloration was not officially introduced yet ([[Pokémon Gold and Silver|Gold/Silver]] wasn't released, and the concept wasn't formally introduced into the anime until [[EP154]]. Could a compromise be made by putting a link in the 'see also' section? ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 01:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point, but I accept the revert--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget that a crystal Onix is alternate '''materialization'''--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:Well we say the [[Pink Butterfree]] is an alternate colored Pokémon, matter of fact the first to appear in the anime, yet it's not what the shiny version looks like. And that was way before the Crystal Onix. The meaning of alternate coloration doesn't mean it's "Shiny". It just simply means it's a different color then the norm of its species. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::The Pink Butterfree appeared in the anime before Shiny Pokémon had even been invented, and they just made the Butterfree pink to show that it was female. Still, I think it should still be on the list of Shiny Pokémon. But maybe the Crystal Onix should be in a sub-category called "Other Special Pokémon" or something like that. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 09:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== Typing ==

Crystal Onix is still Rock/Ground typing isn't it? It was able to repel and even live in water, which rock and ground type cannot do.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 05:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Filler season of the anime from ten years ago. It's made of glass. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh alright. Thanks. And in my opinion, ''all'' of the anime is filler--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Concerning the typing of the Crystal Onix... I realize that fan-created sites are not canon, but can it be mentioned as trivia that on '''Global PokedeX Plus''' the Crystal Onix is a 'Novelty' Pokemon whose type is Rock/Ice? [[User:ILOVETOGETIC|I♥Togetic]] 19:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Anime's take on the "Diamond Onix" Pokédex entry? ==
Could this have been a reference to the "Onix's body becomes more like diamond than rock if it lives for long enough" Pokédex entry from one of the early games? Can't remember which off the top of my head, but I know one of the earlier games (1st-generation) had an entry like that.

And though I'm sure it was a coincidence (I doubt the anime people knew exact details of Steelix and its weaknesses that far ahead of time), the "more resistant to water, but weaker against fire" thing also makes me think of the change from Rock to Steel that comes when an Onix evolves into Steelix... --[[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 06:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
: "As it grows, the stone portions of its body harden to become similar to a diamond, but colored black." ~ [[Onix_(Pokémon)#Pokédex_entries_3|Pokémon Red and Blue]] It could be a possible reference, though I am not sure we could make use of this without it becoming speculation. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

== Alola Form Crystal Onix ==

Given how people are basically saying Sun and Moon is a canonized version of the Orange Islands, is it really so _Farfetch'd_ to think we'd get a Crystal Onix that is Ice/Steel type in Alola? They've got to make this happen, right?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 09:08, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Porygon-Z (Pokémon)

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==The Meaning of Z==

Couldn't the Z also mean the end? Like when Akria Toriyama suggested that the 'anime sequal' to Dragon Ball be called Dragon Ball Z? PorygonZ should, by all counts, be the end of the Porygon Evolutionary line, seeing as it is the third stage, and no Pokémon currently have more than 3 stages.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 01:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
: Well, yeah I think it could mean that. But DragonBall Z had a sequel after that didn't it? It was DragonBall GT. But I don't think there will be another Evolution after that unless the Scientists that created it want it to be stronger... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 20:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
: Z looks vaguely like 2. It's possible that Z was chosen because of that, and the fact that Porygon-Z looks like a corrupted version of Porygon2. -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]]
:Maybe there will be an alternate, non-glitch-like evolution of Porygon2, called, of course, Porygon3. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]] 15:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I hope so. Call me crazy, but I kind feel bad that to fully evolve a Pokemon, I have to glitch it. When are they gonna release the official v3 patch?!

:::There could be a Porygon3, Silph Co. made Porygon2 to explore space, but it failed. Who said that Silph Co. didn't develop Porygon3 already and kept it under wraps? {{unsigned|Rouge2}}

Dragon Ball GT was made by a toy company that owned the rights to the franchise and wanted to milk it some more. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

:Yep. DBGT wasn't created by Toriyama, he finished with the series at Z. It was another director who decided to continue the series. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 06:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I think they just called it Porygon-Z because Z lookes like an evolved 2. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 14:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pokedex entry ==

I was thinking that maybe I should edit the pokedex entry so that it makes more sense in English.
Something like this: "Although programs were added to make it surpass other pokemon, it began to behave strangely." sound good? [[User:Kabutops master|kabutops master]] 10:22 pm march 25, 2007
:Well, what's there now is pretty much just the translation of the Japanese one. With English DP out in four weeks, it'll be changed by then, but if you do now, it doesn't really matter, so long as you're doing so to improve its grammar. Just make sure to spell it "Pokémon". --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
==Glitch?==
How the heck is it a glitch???? it doesn't SEEM like a glitch compaired 2 other glitch pokémon does it????[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:No, it's not a glitch, You probably just read the text wrong. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 20:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
oh ok.[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yea, no worries. Many sentences could be read wrong. Blah~ [[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]] 14:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::It could kind of be considered an intentional glitch of Porygon2. Or it could just be an upgrade. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 15:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

"It is essentially a glitched Porygon2 with some minor differences. It could also be based loosely on MissingNo., the both of them being glitches." I saw THIS at the origin thing. does that mean anything???[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:What you said could mean that they Porygon-Z is literally a glitch like MissingNo., or it can mean that some Porygon-2 became glitched and evolved into Porygon-Z, and Porygon-Z came into being[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]] 15:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

i think whey should come out with a pre-evo for Porygon-Z(i mean not porygon2) that is also glitched sorta and a non-glitched evo for porygon2. of course called porygon3 for Porygon2's evo and perhaps porygon-X for Porygon-Z's pre evo.[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

== Togekiss? ==

"Porygon-Z is one of the two fully evolved three-stage Pokémon capable of legitimately being level 1 (Roserade being the other)"

If I'm not mistaken, Togepi can be found at Level 1. You can evolve it into Togetic then Togekiss without leveling up. Is this true, or does Togepi count as a baby Pokemon even though it is not a pre-evolution of a Gen I Pokemon? [[User:Gligar|Gligar]] 14:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No, because Togepi evolves by max happiness, which can't b achieved @ lvl 1--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes it can. If you hatch a Lv.1 Togepi and give it tons of vitamins and use a Rare Candy, it will have enough happiness to evolve into Togetic, and then you can use a Shiny Stone to get a Lv.2 Togekiss. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 15:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
::Exactly.Level 2 togekiss, not level 1.[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|Your Friendly Neighborhood Cookie Monster]]

Though Porygon is the only one that can go through both of its evolutions at level 1, since Budew evolves through happiness like Togepi. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 19:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, Budew only hatches from Roselia/Roserade eggs if you have the Rose Incense attached to the parent; if you don't have it attached, the egg hatches a Roselia and you can evolve it to a Roserade at Lv.1. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 20:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::But then it doesn't go through both evolutions, like I said.--[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 07:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, but it still gets to its final form. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 13:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== Not sure how many people noticed this ==

Did anyone ever notice that Porygon2 looks like one of those Drinking birds with the mercury or liquid in them where they keep tilting up and down for water?

And now Porygon-Z has taken on a Hummingbird like posture. Also wasn't Porygon2 known for some strange anomolies like moving in ways not programed? Its been a long time since my Pokemon Stadium 2 has seen action but if i remember right Porygon2 moves a little hyperactive in the 3D 360 view in the pokédex. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

*Yeah, it was originally designed to explore space, but it failed and was made public.{{unsigned|Rouge2}}

== Porygon Z fits bodystyle 9 better then 4. ==

I changed the body type value to nine because Porygon-Z fits the body type better then 4. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

:Don't do that, because that's predetermined data from the game. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 18:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::He's figured it out by now. Not to say it didn't take him a while... but he did figure it out. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Roserade ==
I really don't think Roserade should be noted in the trivia. Because, while you can have a level one Roserade, that's only if you hatch a Roselia, which skips the baby, meaning it only evolves once. If you start out with Budew, it has to be at least level two.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Still doesn't change the fact that you can legitimately get a Roserade at level 1.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 22:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==A question==

What is the note about the fact that Porygon-Z is the only Pokémon evolved from a Pokémon who evolves via trade doing at the top?
Shouldn't it be in the trivia section? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 14:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:I ''think'' so...--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 14:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::I'm fully aware of the fact that articles have evolution details at the top of the page, but the fact about it being few that evolves from special evolutions belongs in trivia in my opinion. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, looks like this has been resolved. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Strange trivia I noticed ==

Porygon-Z is the only fourth-gen Pokemon that evolves from an older Pokemon that was not obtainable in either of the Gamecube games. Perhaps a bit specific for trivia, which is why I threw it in here instead of the page, just something I noticed. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 19:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== Stat Loss ==

I noticed that Porygon2 loses base stats in defense and special defense when it evolves. Should this be in the trivia? Also, where can i find a list of pokemon with base stat reduction upon evolution? I know Scizor is one, but i don't know any others. [[User:Mastergiygas11|Mastergiygas11]] 19:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, Scizor is the only Pokemon whose base stat total is lower than that of it previous evolution. However, PorygonZ has a base stat total of 535, while Porygon has a base stat total of only 395. There are many Pokémon who have at least one base stat decrease when they evolve, but Scizor is the only one who has an overall reduction in its base stats. I don't think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 20:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

== Dex Color ==

Why is PorygonZ's Dex Color red if there isn't a trace of red on it? It is irrefutably pink. Just look at the picture for Pokepark Wii. Hot pink. And the Mystery Dungeon picture is light pink. Is it at least worth mentioning the confusion? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 20:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:I think the color is debatable. Some people think it looks more pink than red, but obviously the creators classified it's dex color red probably meaning it's intended to be red. I don't really think it's worth mentioning because many Pokémon look diffrent in various media. Like Saturn's Toxicroak, who looks a diffrent color than the official art for it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

== Problem with Rain Dance ==

Not sure how to fix it, but the image for Rain Dance's TM is a Fraxure sprite. [[User:Inanimateblob|Inanimateblob]] ([[User talk:Inanimateblob|talk]]) 04:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:Looks fine to me. It's probably an issue with your cache. Try purging the cache (click on the UTC time at the top of any Bulbapedia page); I think that'll do it, but I don't know for sure (I'm not great with technical stuff like that). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Alien Dimensions ==

Porygon-Z's Pokédex entries state that it was made for work in alien dimensions. Take note that Porygon-Z is a Sinnoh region indigenous Pokémon, and of the mascot legendaries for the Sinnoh-based games,the Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum versions. Dialga and Palkia reside in this world, our native world, and Giratina resides in the Distortion World, an ALIEN WORLD.

Dialga and Palkia control time & space, respectively.
These consist of the four dimensions this world is made up of. It would therefore follow that the Distortion World, which is not part of this world, may consist of different dimensions. And since, as we have already established, the Distortion World is an ALIEN WORLD, that would make its dimensions ALIEN DIMENSIONS!

I rest my case.
-[[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 19:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:Speculation is not allowed on Bulbapedia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== Stat Similarities ==

I noticed that Porygon-Z shares the same Defense and Special Defense stats as Porygon and the same HP and Attack stats as Porygon2 (essentially, only Speed and Special Attack increase along the evolutionary line). Is this valid trivia? [[User:ShermTank7272|ShermTank7272]] ([[User talk:ShermTank7272|talk]]) 19:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

== Chinese Names ==

Since up until the near future Pokemon have been given their Chinese names by the Anime, how do we know Porygon-Z's Chinese names? {{unsigned|Benayla}}

== Adaptability or Download? ==

If going for a 'Special Attack powerhouse' Porygon-Z, which is the better ability to utilize? I have seen Download used more often on it, but Adaptability would help more with Tri-Attack and Swift.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 05:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation IV)

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==Previous discussion==
* [[/Sinnoh|Sinnoh]] - pre-merge discussion while this page was '''Battle Frontier (Sinnoh)'''
* [[/Johto|Johto]] - pre-merge discussion from '''Battle Frontier (Johto)''' (including the vote to merge)

== Map Picture of where the Frontier is in Johto ==

the picture to side where it says Location in Sinnoh and Johto is untrue, it only shows its location in Sinnoh we that line changed until we have a map picture of the location in Johto. --DSDark 20:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier artwork ==

The artwork of the Battle Frontier appears twice in this article, and they state two different illustrators.
Which one is the real illustrator, and is it necessary to have two? --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 20:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's not necessary. And the pic is by [[Midori Harada]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Hall Fans ==

Just wondering if anyone else playing the main male character in Platinum has Serena. The article says that guys get Winston. Has someone got the genders the wrong way around?--[[User:Dion24|D i]] [[Special:Contributions/Dion24|o n]] [[User talk:Dion24|2 4]] 04:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== something's up ==

for some reason, even after defeating 21 trainers in the battle arcade i didn't get a silver print or get challenged by the arcade brain. why?--[[User:Fern 24|Fern]] [[User talk:Fern 24|24]] 15:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Did you battle them without stoping? if not, she won't challenge you. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, it doesn't matter if you stop. You can stop and take a rest. It matters if you won them consecutively, as in did you win them in a row or did you lose some in between? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== shnies in the factory ==

today i went to challenge the battle factory, defeated this one trainer who had a regular cubone. i decided that i was going to trade for it but i had to rest because i had to go somewhere. i came back, traded for the cubone and found out it was SHINY! so does this mean that the factory gives you different pokemon from those that you battled? heres the battle video number for one of the battles i used the cubone: 78-50402-72221. i lost though so i dont have the cubone any more : ( [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 07:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon can appear Shiny in the Battle Frontier as well as in the wild, so you aren't very lucky you saw one there. Your Cubone was shiny because when you continued from your Save, the RNG (Random Number Generator) made the [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Cubone]] shiny. [[User:Shinytwo|Shinytwo]] 16:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:I don't see how he's not lucky, that seems very lucky to me, how many random shinies do you see? [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 19:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shinies are rare, nothing more. They're not stronger or anything. And yes, you can find them in the Battle Frontier. It's rare, but it happens. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Shinies have the same chance of appearing in the battle frontier as in the wild, but it might only be possible in the battle hall and factory, why battle hall? the opponent, I seem to remember battleing Argenta as she used a shiny Regice without sparkles.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 00:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Stat Judge Needs More Info ==

(I actually edited the page, but changed it back after I realized this was a Featured Article...)

The Stat Judge section is dangerously empty. He is extremely useful for breeding for IVs, and the section should have a table of the things he says - maybe even a page of his own. This is the only mention of him. Here's what the Platinum Player's Guide says (so far, it seems correct).

{|
|'''Overall Stats'''
|'''Highest Stat'''
|-
|Decent
|Rather Decent
|-
|Above Average
|Very Good
|-
|Outstanding
|Fantastic
|-
|Relatively Superior
|Can't Be Better
|}

Sorry, I'm a newb to editing Bulbapedia. Does my name get attached to this??

--[[User:Dsaerno]]

Actually, If the highest stats have the same number, the stats judge will say them according to this order: HP, Atk, Def, Sp.Atk, Sp.Def and Spe. E.g. 31 IVs in Atk and Speed would mean that he would say "It can't be better" for Atk first then Spe second, also by the looks of it, the stats judge seems to be a legit checker considering the fact that a hacked "flawless" Pokemon will have an outstanding rating but the stats judge will only say "It can't be better" for one stat, not all of them, whereas for a legit Pokemon, that stats judge will actually mention all of them.
--[[User:Animecheck|Animecheck]] 06:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Battle Factory etc.. in Diamond? ==

Hi there. 
I'm looking for the Battle Factory in Diamond, however I can only see the Battle Tower in the Battle Park.. 
Is the Battle Factory actually in Diamond, or is it Platinum only? 
Cheers. 
[[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to ask those type of questions, also please read the article. [[User:.insomniac.|insomniac]]
::It seems like a perfectly good place to ask.. I also read the article, it didn't seem clear to me. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 10:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It's only in Platinum.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't believe this "it didn't seem clear". It says right at the top of the article. "'''The Battle Frontier is a special post-league area featured in the Generation IV games, ''Pokémon Platinum'' and ''HeartGold and SoulSilver''.'''" -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I see. Thanks. Seems a shame.. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Battle Arcade error? ==
Is there any reason to actually believe the BP spaces on the board allow you to skip battles? I just did 28 rounds of Battle Arcade today and every time I hit the BP space, I still had to battle. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You don't skip battles, I'm just about to edit that out. I'm wondering this stemmed from, the first result on Google for "Battle arcade" is a page that says the same thing. --[[User:Cyberdude93|Cyberdude93]] 08:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
: It says you battle the brain in Sinnoh after 21 battles, but I am at 28, and I haven't seen her. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Have you had 21 consecutive wins? If you lose the number resets to zero. I've definitely battled her on my third time through. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::: They were consecutive, and by the way, you can bring 4 pokemon to the Tower in Platinum, I am doing it right now. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 00:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Four Pokémon. . . isn't that double battle mode? The frontier brains only appear on Single player Single battle mode. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::: Really? That stinks. Well, I'll try again. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 21:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gaining fans ==

In Battle Hall, what fans are gained in HGSS? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== BP ==

For amount of BP gained, could we say "Plenty" instead of "Lots." It just sounds more educated. [[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
: "Plenty" connotes "enough". Ambiguity is the poor man's eloquence. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shedinja in Battle Arcade ==

If you're in the Battle Arcade with a Shedinja, and hit the button which causes your team to lose some HP, will Shedinja faint before it is sent out, or right after? [[User:Shinytwo|Shinytwo]] 20:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

:That event lowers HP by 20%. 20% of 1HP is less than 1HP, so Shedinja shouldn't lose anything at all. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tauros in Battle Tower ==

Just tried to enter Johto Battle Tower with Tauros, was notified it was banned. No info here, looking for confirmation.
[[User:CommanderRook|CommanderRook]] 19:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:You probably had a repeated item on it. You can't use the same item on more than one Pokemon {{unsigned|Malake256}}

==Battle Arcade Game Board Pictures==

It would be nice to see what the effect's pictures are. Can someone upload them. that would help greatly. Thanks!! --[[User:Moretacos|Moretacos]] 02:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Accuracy with Battle Castle Rewards? ==

Okay, so I just finished a battle in the Battle Castle, and using the table, I should have received 49 CP. However, I only got 43. No Pokémon fainted (9), they all started and finished with full health (9), 2 Pokémon did not recieve status ailments (2), I won using only 4 PP (8), and all 3 of the opponent's Pokémon had their levels raised (21). By my math, 9+9+2+8+21=49. Clearly, there is either some error in these numbers, or there are unknown conditions that can be met to recieve CP. I have no means to do so, but this should be looked into. If it helps, I was playing Heart Gold. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 06:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Two legendarys ==

So, if in the battle hall, you enter a double battle, you require two of the same pokemon? right? so, when battling, the trainer has the same pokemon, same level, different genders. does this mean that argenta could have (when battled) 2 regices?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 01:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:You're not allowed to have two of the same Pokémon in any facility. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::But in the battle hall it says that you must have two of the same pokemon so a togekiss and a togekiss.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 01:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yes you could battle someone with 2 legendaries. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Just another question, who is "Serena"?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 23:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::::She's [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)#Gaining fans|a fan]]. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 13:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Manga ==

I make a manga place of the battle frontier.{{unsigned|Nazirbashir}}

== Huh? ==

How is this article a featured article but is also incomplete at the same time? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 13:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:It became a featured article a long time ago. Featured articles keep their featured status. The incomplete template is more recent. I don't know, but it could possibly have been a featured article before it appeared in a manga, making it complete at the time of featuring. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary Beasts ==

In Heartgold, I found that the sniny legendary beasts that were given out through a mystery gift event can participate. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 18:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
:No. The Beasts are already allowed to enter, shiny or not. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Hall mistake? ==

In the description for the Battle Hall says it is the only place in the Battle Frontier that can have pokémon at higher than level 50, but the Battle Arcade can make pokémon be level 53. Should this be changed?
--Bulbachartortle 17:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Trick Room ==

In Battle Arcade, the option to begin with Trick Room, is it permanent, or lasts the usual times of the Trick Room?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Consecutive Battles ==

I noticed that it says you fight the Frontier Brain after 21 (or 50) consecutive battles, but when I did it in the Battle Tower, Palmer was the twenty first and in the Battle Hall, Argenta was the fiftieth. Did I read the article wrong or is that a mistake?--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 06:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:Every Brain is fought after winning 21 battles in a row, except Argenta who requires a streak of 50. The reason for that is because you get to choose what Type you'll be fighting, which makes it a lot simpler than the other three facilities to get a long streak going. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think Rocket Admin Hunter Blade misunderstood your question. Yes, Palmer is the 21st opponent, rather than appearing after winning 21 battles, so you technically only need a streak of 21 to battle him (the same goes for Argenta). The page should probably be clearer about that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

==A question==
Can you battle in other battle areas (Factory, Hall, Castle...) without breaking the streak of 21 or 50? Thanks-[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 18:22, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:Each battle facility records a separate streak, so you can have 7 in the Tower, 21 in the Hall, etc., without any of the others being reset or overwritten. They're only reset when you lose during a current streak in that specific facility. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::Not only each facility either, each mode in each facility. You can lose in the Double Battle mode and still keep your Single Battle streak. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Arcade ==

With respect to the "Lowers foes'/allies' HP" function in the roulette, since this lowers HP by 20%, what effect does this have on Shedinja? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

== List of all Rental Pokémon ==

I created a [[User:TehPerson/List of Battle Frontier Pokémon (Generation IV)|List of Battle Frontier Pokémon]] if anyone wants to see. Better late than never :) [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hey. I was going to make this same thing as you did, until I saw your link. I really wish the site admins would treat this more seriously. Your list is a tremendous help and you beat me to it by a few months! Currently trying to get Gold in Pokemon Platinum's Battle Factory.

Anyway, thanks!

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 05:55, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation IV)

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Mcheetah:

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Sinnoh|Sinnoh]] - pre-merge discussion while this page was '''Battle Frontier (Sinnoh)'''
* [[/Johto|Johto]] - pre-merge discussion from '''Battle Frontier (Johto)''' (including the vote to merge)

== Map Picture of where the Frontier is in Johto ==

the picture to side where it says Location in Sinnoh and Johto is untrue, it only shows its location in Sinnoh we that line changed until we have a map picture of the location in Johto. --DSDark 20:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier artwork ==

The artwork of the Battle Frontier appears twice in this article, and they state two different illustrators.
Which one is the real illustrator, and is it necessary to have two? --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 20:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's not necessary. And the pic is by [[Midori Harada]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Hall Fans ==

Just wondering if anyone else playing the main male character in Platinum has Serena. The article says that guys get Winston. Has someone got the genders the wrong way around?--[[User:Dion24|D i]] [[Special:Contributions/Dion24|o n]] [[User talk:Dion24|2 4]] 04:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== something's up ==

for some reason, even after defeating 21 trainers in the battle arcade i didn't get a silver print or get challenged by the arcade brain. why?--[[User:Fern 24|Fern]] [[User talk:Fern 24|24]] 15:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Did you battle them without stoping? if not, she won't challenge you. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, it doesn't matter if you stop. You can stop and take a rest. It matters if you won them consecutively, as in did you win them in a row or did you lose some in between? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== shnies in the factory ==

today i went to challenge the battle factory, defeated this one trainer who had a regular cubone. i decided that i was going to trade for it but i had to rest because i had to go somewhere. i came back, traded for the cubone and found out it was SHINY! so does this mean that the factory gives you different pokemon from those that you battled? heres the battle video number for one of the battles i used the cubone: 78-50402-72221. i lost though so i dont have the cubone any more : ( [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 07:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon can appear Shiny in the Battle Frontier as well as in the wild, so you aren't very lucky you saw one there. Your Cubone was shiny because when you continued from your Save, the RNG (Random Number Generator) made the [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Cubone]] shiny. [[User:Shinytwo|Shinytwo]] 16:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:I don't see how he's not lucky, that seems very lucky to me, how many random shinies do you see? [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 19:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shinies are rare, nothing more. They're not stronger or anything. And yes, you can find them in the Battle Frontier. It's rare, but it happens. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Shinies have the same chance of appearing in the battle frontier as in the wild, but it might only be possible in the battle hall and factory, why battle hall? the opponent, I seem to remember battleing Argenta as she used a shiny Regice without sparkles.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 00:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Stat Judge Needs More Info ==

(I actually edited the page, but changed it back after I realized this was a Featured Article...)

The Stat Judge section is dangerously empty. He is extremely useful for breeding for IVs, and the section should have a table of the things he says - maybe even a page of his own. This is the only mention of him. Here's what the Platinum Player's Guide says (so far, it seems correct).

{|
|'''Overall Stats'''
|'''Highest Stat'''
|-
|Decent
|Rather Decent
|-
|Above Average
|Very Good
|-
|Outstanding
|Fantastic
|-
|Relatively Superior
|Can't Be Better
|}

Sorry, I'm a newb to editing Bulbapedia. Does my name get attached to this??

--[[User:Dsaerno]]

Actually, If the highest stats have the same number, the stats judge will say them according to this order: HP, Atk, Def, Sp.Atk, Sp.Def and Spe. E.g. 31 IVs in Atk and Speed would mean that he would say "It can't be better" for Atk first then Spe second, also by the looks of it, the stats judge seems to be a legit checker considering the fact that a hacked "flawless" Pokemon will have an outstanding rating but the stats judge will only say "It can't be better" for one stat, not all of them, whereas for a legit Pokemon, that stats judge will actually mention all of them.
--[[User:Animecheck|Animecheck]] 06:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Battle Factory etc.. in Diamond? ==

Hi there. 
I'm looking for the Battle Factory in Diamond, however I can only see the Battle Tower in the Battle Park.. 
Is the Battle Factory actually in Diamond, or is it Platinum only? 
Cheers. 
[[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to ask those type of questions, also please read the article. [[User:.insomniac.|insomniac]]
::It seems like a perfectly good place to ask.. I also read the article, it didn't seem clear to me. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 10:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It's only in Platinum.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't believe this "it didn't seem clear". It says right at the top of the article. "'''The Battle Frontier is a special post-league area featured in the Generation IV games, ''Pokémon Platinum'' and ''HeartGold and SoulSilver''.'''" -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I see. Thanks. Seems a shame.. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Battle Arcade error? ==
Is there any reason to actually believe the BP spaces on the board allow you to skip battles? I just did 28 rounds of Battle Arcade today and every time I hit the BP space, I still had to battle. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You don't skip battles, I'm just about to edit that out. I'm wondering this stemmed from, the first result on Google for "Battle arcade" is a page that says the same thing. --[[User:Cyberdude93|Cyberdude93]] 08:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
: It says you battle the brain in Sinnoh after 21 battles, but I am at 28, and I haven't seen her. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Have you had 21 consecutive wins? If you lose the number resets to zero. I've definitely battled her on my third time through. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::: They were consecutive, and by the way, you can bring 4 pokemon to the Tower in Platinum, I am doing it right now. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 00:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Four Pokémon. . . isn't that double battle mode? The frontier brains only appear on Single player Single battle mode. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::: Really? That stinks. Well, I'll try again. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 21:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gaining fans ==

In Battle Hall, what fans are gained in HGSS? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== BP ==

For amount of BP gained, could we say "Plenty" instead of "Lots." It just sounds more educated. [[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
: "Plenty" connotes "enough". Ambiguity is the poor man's eloquence. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shedinja in Battle Arcade ==

If you're in the Battle Arcade with a Shedinja, and hit the button which causes your team to lose some HP, will Shedinja faint before it is sent out, or right after? [[User:Shinytwo|Shinytwo]] 20:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

:That event lowers HP by 20%. 20% of 1HP is less than 1HP, so Shedinja shouldn't lose anything at all. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tauros in Battle Tower ==

Just tried to enter Johto Battle Tower with Tauros, was notified it was banned. No info here, looking for confirmation.
[[User:CommanderRook|CommanderRook]] 19:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:You probably had a repeated item on it. You can't use the same item on more than one Pokemon {{unsigned|Malake256}}

==Battle Arcade Game Board Pictures==

It would be nice to see what the effect's pictures are. Can someone upload them. that would help greatly. Thanks!! --[[User:Moretacos|Moretacos]] 02:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Accuracy with Battle Castle Rewards? ==

Okay, so I just finished a battle in the Battle Castle, and using the table, I should have received 49 CP. However, I only got 43. No Pokémon fainted (9), they all started and finished with full health (9), 2 Pokémon did not recieve status ailments (2), I won using only 4 PP (8), and all 3 of the opponent's Pokémon had their levels raised (21). By my math, 9+9+2+8+21=49. Clearly, there is either some error in these numbers, or there are unknown conditions that can be met to recieve CP. I have no means to do so, but this should be looked into. If it helps, I was playing Heart Gold. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 06:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Two legendarys ==

So, if in the battle hall, you enter a double battle, you require two of the same pokemon? right? so, when battling, the trainer has the same pokemon, same level, different genders. does this mean that argenta could have (when battled) 2 regices?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 01:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:You're not allowed to have two of the same Pokémon in any facility. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::But in the battle hall it says that you must have two of the same pokemon so a togekiss and a togekiss.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 01:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yes you could battle someone with 2 legendaries. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Just another question, who is "Serena"?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 23:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::::She's [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)#Gaining fans|a fan]]. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 13:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Manga ==

I make a manga place of the battle frontier.{{unsigned|Nazirbashir}}

== Huh? ==

How is this article a featured article but is also incomplete at the same time? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 13:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:It became a featured article a long time ago. Featured articles keep their featured status. The incomplete template is more recent. I don't know, but it could possibly have been a featured article before it appeared in a manga, making it complete at the time of featuring. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary Beasts ==

In Heartgold, I found that the sniny legendary beasts that were given out through a mystery gift event can participate. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 18:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
:No. The Beasts are already allowed to enter, shiny or not. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Hall mistake? ==

In the description for the Battle Hall says it is the only place in the Battle Frontier that can have pokémon at higher than level 50, but the Battle Arcade can make pokémon be level 53. Should this be changed?
--Bulbachartortle 17:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Trick Room ==

In Battle Arcade, the option to begin with Trick Room, is it permanent, or lasts the usual times of the Trick Room?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Consecutive Battles ==

I noticed that it says you fight the Frontier Brain after 21 (or 50) consecutive battles, but when I did it in the Battle Tower, Palmer was the twenty first and in the Battle Hall, Argenta was the fiftieth. Did I read the article wrong or is that a mistake?--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 06:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:Every Brain is fought after winning 21 battles in a row, except Argenta who requires a streak of 50. The reason for that is because you get to choose what Type you'll be fighting, which makes it a lot simpler than the other three facilities to get a long streak going. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think Rocket Admin Hunter Blade misunderstood your question. Yes, Palmer is the 21st opponent, rather than appearing after winning 21 battles, so you technically only need a streak of 21 to battle him (the same goes for Argenta). The page should probably be clearer about that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

==A question==
Can you battle in other battle areas (Factory, Hall, Castle...) without breaking the streak of 21 or 50? Thanks-[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 18:22, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:Each battle facility records a separate streak, so you can have 7 in the Tower, 21 in the Hall, etc., without any of the others being reset or overwritten. They're only reset when you lose during a current streak in that specific facility. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::Not only each facility either, each mode in each facility. You can lose in the Double Battle mode and still keep your Single Battle streak. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Arcade ==

With respect to the "Lowers foes'/allies' HP" function in the roulette, since this lowers HP by 20%, what effect does this have on Shedinja? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

== List of Pokémon ==

I created a [[User:TehPerson/List of Battle Frontier Pokémon (Generation IV)|List of Battle Frontier Pokémon]] if anyone wants to see. Better late than never :) [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation IV)

2016-07-19T05:49:21Z

Mcheetah: /* Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver Battle Factory Rental Pokemon */ new section

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Sinnoh|Sinnoh]] - pre-merge discussion while this page was '''Battle Frontier (Sinnoh)'''
* [[/Johto|Johto]] - pre-merge discussion from '''Battle Frontier (Johto)''' (including the vote to merge)

== Map Picture of where the Frontier is in Johto ==

the picture to side where it says Location in Sinnoh and Johto is untrue, it only shows its location in Sinnoh we that line changed until we have a map picture of the location in Johto. --DSDark 20:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier artwork ==

The artwork of the Battle Frontier appears twice in this article, and they state two different illustrators.
Which one is the real illustrator, and is it necessary to have two? --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 20:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's not necessary. And the pic is by [[Midori Harada]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Hall Fans ==

Just wondering if anyone else playing the main male character in Platinum has Serena. The article says that guys get Winston. Has someone got the genders the wrong way around?--[[User:Dion24|D i]] [[Special:Contributions/Dion24|o n]] [[User talk:Dion24|2 4]] 04:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== something's up ==

for some reason, even after defeating 21 trainers in the battle arcade i didn't get a silver print or get challenged by the arcade brain. why?--[[User:Fern 24|Fern]] [[User talk:Fern 24|24]] 15:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Did you battle them without stoping? if not, she won't challenge you. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, it doesn't matter if you stop. You can stop and take a rest. It matters if you won them consecutively, as in did you win them in a row or did you lose some in between? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== shnies in the factory ==

today i went to challenge the battle factory, defeated this one trainer who had a regular cubone. i decided that i was going to trade for it but i had to rest because i had to go somewhere. i came back, traded for the cubone and found out it was SHINY! so does this mean that the factory gives you different pokemon from those that you battled? heres the battle video number for one of the battles i used the cubone: 78-50402-72221. i lost though so i dont have the cubone any more : ( [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 07:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon can appear Shiny in the Battle Frontier as well as in the wild, so you aren't very lucky you saw one there. Your Cubone was shiny because when you continued from your Save, the RNG (Random Number Generator) made the [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Cubone]] shiny. [[User:Shinytwo|Shinytwo]] 16:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:I don't see how he's not lucky, that seems very lucky to me, how many random shinies do you see? [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 19:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shinies are rare, nothing more. They're not stronger or anything. And yes, you can find them in the Battle Frontier. It's rare, but it happens. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Shinies have the same chance of appearing in the battle frontier as in the wild, but it might only be possible in the battle hall and factory, why battle hall? the opponent, I seem to remember battleing Argenta as she used a shiny Regice without sparkles.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 00:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Stat Judge Needs More Info ==

(I actually edited the page, but changed it back after I realized this was a Featured Article...)

The Stat Judge section is dangerously empty. He is extremely useful for breeding for IVs, and the section should have a table of the things he says - maybe even a page of his own. This is the only mention of him. Here's what the Platinum Player's Guide says (so far, it seems correct).

{|
|'''Overall Stats'''
|'''Highest Stat'''
|-
|Decent
|Rather Decent
|-
|Above Average
|Very Good
|-
|Outstanding
|Fantastic
|-
|Relatively Superior
|Can't Be Better
|}

Sorry, I'm a newb to editing Bulbapedia. Does my name get attached to this??

--[[User:Dsaerno]]

Actually, If the highest stats have the same number, the stats judge will say them according to this order: HP, Atk, Def, Sp.Atk, Sp.Def and Spe. E.g. 31 IVs in Atk and Speed would mean that he would say "It can't be better" for Atk first then Spe second, also by the looks of it, the stats judge seems to be a legit checker considering the fact that a hacked "flawless" Pokemon will have an outstanding rating but the stats judge will only say "It can't be better" for one stat, not all of them, whereas for a legit Pokemon, that stats judge will actually mention all of them.
--[[User:Animecheck|Animecheck]] 06:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Battle Factory etc.. in Diamond? ==

Hi there. 
I'm looking for the Battle Factory in Diamond, however I can only see the Battle Tower in the Battle Park.. 
Is the Battle Factory actually in Diamond, or is it Platinum only? 
Cheers. 
[[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to ask those type of questions, also please read the article. [[User:.insomniac.|insomniac]]
::It seems like a perfectly good place to ask.. I also read the article, it didn't seem clear to me. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 10:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It's only in Platinum.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't believe this "it didn't seem clear". It says right at the top of the article. "'''The Battle Frontier is a special post-league area featured in the Generation IV games, ''Pokémon Platinum'' and ''HeartGold and SoulSilver''.'''" -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I see. Thanks. Seems a shame.. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Battle Arcade error? ==
Is there any reason to actually believe the BP spaces on the board allow you to skip battles? I just did 28 rounds of Battle Arcade today and every time I hit the BP space, I still had to battle. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You don't skip battles, I'm just about to edit that out. I'm wondering this stemmed from, the first result on Google for "Battle arcade" is a page that says the same thing. --[[User:Cyberdude93|Cyberdude93]] 08:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
: It says you battle the brain in Sinnoh after 21 battles, but I am at 28, and I haven't seen her. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Have you had 21 consecutive wins? If you lose the number resets to zero. I've definitely battled her on my third time through. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::: They were consecutive, and by the way, you can bring 4 pokemon to the Tower in Platinum, I am doing it right now. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 00:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Four Pokémon. . . isn't that double battle mode? The frontier brains only appear on Single player Single battle mode. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::: Really? That stinks. Well, I'll try again. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 21:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gaining fans ==

In Battle Hall, what fans are gained in HGSS? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== BP ==

For amount of BP gained, could we say "Plenty" instead of "Lots." It just sounds more educated. [[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
: "Plenty" connotes "enough". Ambiguity is the poor man's eloquence. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shedinja in Battle Arcade ==

If you're in the Battle Arcade with a Shedinja, and hit the button which causes your team to lose some HP, will Shedinja faint before it is sent out, or right after? [[User:Shinytwo|Shinytwo]] 20:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

:That event lowers HP by 20%. 20% of 1HP is less than 1HP, so Shedinja shouldn't lose anything at all. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tauros in Battle Tower ==

Just tried to enter Johto Battle Tower with Tauros, was notified it was banned. No info here, looking for confirmation.
[[User:CommanderRook|CommanderRook]] 19:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:You probably had a repeated item on it. You can't use the same item on more than one Pokemon {{unsigned|Malake256}}

==Battle Arcade Game Board Pictures==

It would be nice to see what the effect's pictures are. Can someone upload them. that would help greatly. Thanks!! --[[User:Moretacos|Moretacos]] 02:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Accuracy with Battle Castle Rewards? ==

Okay, so I just finished a battle in the Battle Castle, and using the table, I should have received 49 CP. However, I only got 43. No Pokémon fainted (9), they all started and finished with full health (9), 2 Pokémon did not recieve status ailments (2), I won using only 4 PP (8), and all 3 of the opponent's Pokémon had their levels raised (21). By my math, 9+9+2+8+21=49. Clearly, there is either some error in these numbers, or there are unknown conditions that can be met to recieve CP. I have no means to do so, but this should be looked into. If it helps, I was playing Heart Gold. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 06:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Two legendarys ==

So, if in the battle hall, you enter a double battle, you require two of the same pokemon? right? so, when battling, the trainer has the same pokemon, same level, different genders. does this mean that argenta could have (when battled) 2 regices?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 01:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:You're not allowed to have two of the same Pokémon in any facility. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::But in the battle hall it says that you must have two of the same pokemon so a togekiss and a togekiss.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 01:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yes you could battle someone with 2 legendaries. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Just another question, who is "Serena"?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 23:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::::She's [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)#Gaining fans|a fan]]. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 13:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Manga ==

I make a manga place of the battle frontier.{{unsigned|Nazirbashir}}

== Huh? ==

How is this article a featured article but is also incomplete at the same time? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 13:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:It became a featured article a long time ago. Featured articles keep their featured status. The incomplete template is more recent. I don't know, but it could possibly have been a featured article before it appeared in a manga, making it complete at the time of featuring. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

== Legendary Beasts ==

In Heartgold, I found that the sniny legendary beasts that were given out through a mystery gift event can participate. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 18:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
:No. The Beasts are already allowed to enter, shiny or not. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Hall mistake? ==

In the description for the Battle Hall says it is the only place in the Battle Frontier that can have pokémon at higher than level 50, but the Battle Arcade can make pokémon be level 53. Should this be changed?
--Bulbachartortle 17:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Trick Room ==

In Battle Arcade, the option to begin with Trick Room, is it permanent, or lasts the usual times of the Trick Room?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Consecutive Battles ==

I noticed that it says you fight the Frontier Brain after 21 (or 50) consecutive battles, but when I did it in the Battle Tower, Palmer was the twenty first and in the Battle Hall, Argenta was the fiftieth. Did I read the article wrong or is that a mistake?--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 06:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:Every Brain is fought after winning 21 battles in a row, except Argenta who requires a streak of 50. The reason for that is because you get to choose what Type you'll be fighting, which makes it a lot simpler than the other three facilities to get a long streak going. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think Rocket Admin Hunter Blade misunderstood your question. Yes, Palmer is the 21st opponent, rather than appearing after winning 21 battles, so you technically only need a streak of 21 to battle him (the same goes for Argenta). The page should probably be clearer about that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

==A question==
Can you battle in other battle areas (Factory, Hall, Castle...) without breaking the streak of 21 or 50? Thanks-[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 18:22, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:Each battle facility records a separate streak, so you can have 7 in the Tower, 21 in the Hall, etc., without any of the others being reset or overwritten. They're only reset when you lose during a current streak in that specific facility. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::Not only each facility either, each mode in each facility. You can lose in the Double Battle mode and still keep your Single Battle streak. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Arcade ==

With respect to the "Lowers foes'/allies' HP" function in the roulette, since this lowers HP by 20%, what effect does this have on Shedinja? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

== List of Pokémon ==

I created a [[User:TehPerson/List of Battle Frontier Pokémon (Generation IV)|List of Battle Frontier Pokémon]] if anyone wants to see. Better late than never :) [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver Battle Factory Rental Pokemon ==

How is there NOT a list anywhere of all the Battle Factory Pokemon? I will try to write a list here.

'''Open Level'''

Venusaur

Charizard

Blastoise

Raichu

Nidoqueen

Nidoking

Ninetales

Vileplume

Crobat

Dugtrio

Arcanine

Poliwrath

Poiltoed

Alakazam

Machamp

Tentacruel

Machamp

Golem

Rapidash

Slowbro

Slowking

Magnezone

Dewgong

Muk

Gengar

Steelix

Hypno

Electrode

Marowak

Lickilicky

Tangrowth

Kingdra

Rhydon

Rhyperior

Kangaskhan

Starmie

Scizor

Jynx

Electavire

Magmortar

Pinsir

Tauros

Gyarados

Lapras

Vaporeon

Flareon

Jolteon

Espeon

Umbreon

Leafeon

Glaceon

Porygon2

Porygon-Z

Aerodactyl

Snorlax

Dragonite

Meganinum

Typhlosion

Feraligatr

Togekiss

Lanturn

Ampharos

Sudowoodo

Ambipom

Yanmega

Quagsire

Honchcrow

Forretress

Gliscor

Granbull

Shuckle

Heracross

Weavile

Ursaring

Magcargo

Piloswine

Mamoswine

Houndoom

Donphan

Miltank

Tyranitar

Sceptile

Blaziken

Swampert

Mightyena

Ludicolo

Shiftry

Swellow

Gardevoir

Gallade

Breloom

Hariyama

Slaking

Exploud

Aggron

Medicham

Manectric

Roserade

Sharpedo

Wailord

Camerupt

Flygon

Cacturne

Altaria

Probopass

Whiscash

Crawdaunt

Claydol

Milotic

Armaldo

Cradily

Dusknoir

Absol

Glalie

Froslass

Walrein

Salamence

Metagross

Torterra

Infernape

Empoleon

Staraptor

Rampardos

Bastiodon

Floatzel

Drifblim

Lopunny

Mismagius

Skuntank

Garchomp

Lucario

Hippowdon

Drapion

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Talk:Rental Pokémon

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== Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver Battle Factory Rental Pokemon ==

'''Open Level'''

Venusaur -

Charizard - Overheat, Solarbeam, Will-o-Wisp, Sunny Day

Blastoise - Waterfall, Ice Punch,

Raichu -

Nidoqueen -

Nidoking -

Ninetales -

Vileplume -

Crobat - Cross Poison, Aerial Ace, Roost, Hypnosis

Dugtrio -

Arcanine -

Poliwrath -

Poiltoed -

Alakazam - Psychic, Calm Mind, Shadow Ball, Future Sight

Machamp -

Tentacruel -

Machamp -

Golem -

Rapidash -

Slowbro -

Slowking -

Magnezone -

Dewgong -

Muk -

Gengar -

Steelix -

Hypno - Psycho Cut, Fling, Hypnosis, Trick Room

Electrode - Thunderbolt, Swift, Thunder Wave, Light Screen - Chesto Berry

Marowak -

Lickilicky -

Tangrowth -

Kingdra -

Rhydon -

Rhyperior -

Kangaskhan -

Starmie -

Scizor -

Jynx -

Electavire -

Magmortar -

Pinsir -

Tauros - Thrash, Zen Headbutt, Pursuit, Scary Face

Gyarados -

Lapras -

Vaporeon -

Flareon -

Jolteon - Thudnerbolt, Double Kick, Thunder Wave

Espeon -

Umbreon -

Leafeon -

Glaceon -

Porygon2 - Tri Attack, Charge Beam, Thunder Wave, Recycle

Porygon-Z - Tri Attack, Shadow Ball, Recycle, Conversion2 - Sitrus Berry

Aerodactyl -

Snorlax - Return, Rock Slide, Curse, Yawn

Dragonite - Dragon Claw, Aqua Tail, Dragon Dance, Thunder Wave

Meganinum -

Typhlosion -

Feraligatr - Waterfall, Ice Fang

Togekiss - Extremespeed, Sky Attack, Drain Punch, Roost

Lanturn - Discharge, Rain Dance, Surf, Thunder Wave

Ampharos - Thudnerbolt, Swift, Thunder Wave

Sudowoodo -

Ambipom -

Yanmega -

Quagsire - Earthquake, Aqua Tail, Brick Break, Counter

Honchcrow -

Forretress -

Gliscor -

Granbull - Return, Rock Slide

Shuckle -

Heracross -

Weavile -

Ursaring - Slash, Rock Slide, Counter, Avalanche

Magcargo -

Piloswine -

Mamoswine -

Houndoom - Fire Fang, Thunder Fang, Reversal, Endure

Donphan - Earthquake, Rock Slide,

Miltank -

Tyranitar -

Sceptile - Crunch,

Blaziken - Blaze Kick, Reversal, Aerial Ace, Endure - Salac Berry

Swampert -

Mightyena -

Ludicolo - Waterfall, Razof Leaf, Drain Punch, Swords Dance - Muscle Band

Shiftry - Giga Drain, Synthesis, Leech Seed, Double Team

Swellow -

Gardevoir -

Gallade -

Breloom -

Hariyama - Arm Thrust, Earthquake, Facade, Fake Out - Persim Berry

Slaking -

Exploud -

Aggron -

Medicham -

Manectric -

Roserade -

Sharpedo -

Wailord -

Camerupt -

Flygon -

Cacturne -

Altaria -

Probopass -

Whiscash - Surf, Earth Power, Icy Wind, Amnesia - Shell Bell

Crawdaunt -

Claydol -

Milotic - Surf, Ice Beam, Attract, Hypnosis

Armaldo - X-Scissor, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Iron Defense - Razor Claw

Cradily -

Dusknoir -

Absol -

Glalie -

Froslass -

Walrein -

Salamence - Dragon Claw, Aerial Ace, Dragon Dance, Thunder Wave

Metagross - Zen Headbutt, Bullet Punch, Facade, Light Screen - Brightpowder

Torterra - Earthquake, Grass Knot, Rock Slide, Curse

Infernape - Close Combat, Fire Punch, Fake Out

Empoleon - Waterfall, Ice Beam

Staraptor - Return, Roost, Aerial Ace,

Rampardos - Zen Headbutt

Bastiodon -

Floatzel - Aqua Jet, Ice Punch

Drifblim -

Lopunny -

Mismagius -

Skuntank -

Garchomp - Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Sandstorm, Double Team - Brightpowder

Lucario - Aura Sphere, Roar

Hippowdon -

Drapion - Poison Jab, Crunch, Aqua Tail, Acupressure

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Talk:HM slave

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Mcheetah: /* Best HM Slaves */

<big><big><big><big>Please refrain from adding a list of HM slaves to this article.</big></big></big></big>
== List of all two-Pokemon combinations ==
Aerodactyl + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Aggron + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Articuno + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Bibarel + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina(Origin), Hooh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Blastoise + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Blaziken + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Buizel + Giratina (Origin)

Carvanha + Giratina (Origin)

Charizard + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Chimchar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Clamperl + Giratina (Origin)

Corphish + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Crawdaunt + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Croconaw + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Darkrai + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dewgong + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonair + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonite + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Drapion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dratini + Giratina (Origin)

Drifblim + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Empoleon + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Entei + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Exploud + Latias, Latios

Farfetch'd + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Feebas + Giratina (Origin)

Feraligatr + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory,
Togekiss, Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Finneon + Giratina (Origin)

Floatzel + Giratina (Origin)

Flygon + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Gabite + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Garchomp + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gastrodon + Giratina (Origin)

Gible + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Giratina (Altered) + Bibarel, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Latias, Latios, Pinsir, Prinplup, Suicune, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Totodile

Giratina (Origin) + Azumarill, Azurill, Barboach, Bibarel, Blastoise, Buizel, Carvanha, Clamperl, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Dewgong, Dragonair, Dragonite, Dratini, Empoleon, Feebas, Feraligatr, Finneon,
Floatzel, Gastrodon, Goldeen, Golduck, Gorebyss, Gyarados, Horsea, Huntail, Kabuto, Kabutops, Kingdra, Kyogre, Lanturn, Lapras, Latias, Latios, Lombre, Ludicolo, Lugia, Lumineon, Luvdisc, Manaphy, Mantine,
Mantyke, Marill, Marshtomp, Milotic, Mudkip, Omanyte, Omastar, Phione, Pinsir, Politoed, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Prinplup, Psyduck, Quagsire, Rayquaza, Relicanth, Remoraid, Seadra, Seaking, Sealeo, Seel,
Sharpedo, Spheal, Squirtle, Starmie, Staryu, Suicune, Swampert, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Vaporeon, Wailmer, Wailord, Walrein, Wartortle, Whiscash, Whiscash

Goldeen + Giratina (Origin)

Golduck + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Gorebyss + Giratina (Origin)

Grotle + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Groudon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gyarados + Giratina (Origin)

Hariyama + Latias, Latios

Ho-oh + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Horsea + Giratina (Origin)

Huntail + Giratina (Origin)

Infernape + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kabuto + Giratina (Origin)

Kabutops + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Kangaskhan + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kingdra + Giratina (Origin)

Kyogre + Giratina (Origin)

Lanturn + Giratina (Origin)

Lapras + Giratina (Origin)

Latias + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Latios + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Lickilicky + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lickitung + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lombre + Giratina (Origin)

Ludicolo + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Lugia + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Lumineon + Giratina (Origin)

Luvdisc + Giratina (Origin)

Makuhita + Latias, Latios

Manaphy + Giratina (Origin)

Mantine + Giratina (Origin)

Mantyke + Giratina (Origin)

Marill + Giratina (Origin)

Marshtomp + Giratina (Origin)

Meganium + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Milotic + Giratina (Origin)

Moltres + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Monferno + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Mudkip + Giratina (Origin)

Munchlax + Latias, Latios

Nidoking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Nidoqueen + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Omanyte + Giratina (Origin)

Omastar + Charizard, Giratina (Origin), Salamence, Tropius, Tropius

Pelipper + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Phione + Giratina (Origin)

Pinsir + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos, Vibrava, Zapdos

Politoed + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwag + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwhirl + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwrath + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Prinplup + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Psyduck + Giratina (Origin)

Quagsire + Giratina (Origin)

Raikou + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rampardos + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rayquaza + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Relicanth + Giratina (Origin)

Remoraid + Giratina (Origin)

Rhydon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rhyperior + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Salamence + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Sandshrew + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sandslash + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sceptile + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Seadra + Giratina (Origin)

Seaking + Giratina (Origin)

Sealeo + Giratina (Origin)

Seel + Giratina (Origin)

Sharpedo + Giratina (Origin)

Skarmory + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Slaking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Snorlax + Latias, Latios

Spheal + Giratina (Origin)

Squirtle + Giratina (Origin)

Starmie + Giratina (Origin)

Staryu + Giratina (Origin)

Steelix + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Suicune + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Swampert + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Tauros + Latias, Latios

Tentacool + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Tentacruel + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Togekiss + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Togetic + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Torterra + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Totodile + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Toxicroak + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tropius + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Turtwig + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Typhlosion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tyranitar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Ursaring + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vaporeon + Giratina (Origin)

Venusaur + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vibrava + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Vigoroth + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Wailmer + Giratina (Origin)

Wailord + Giratina (Origin)

Walrein + Giratina (Origin)

Wartortle + Giratina (Origin)

Whiscash + Giratina (Origin)

Zapdos + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

You all may do with this as you wish. [[User:Skandranonsg|Skandranonsg]] 18:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:For HGSS, Tentacruel+Psyduck give you everything but Fly. Fly is a decent enough move that you probably have it on one of your other Pokémon anyway, and Tentacruel and Psyduck aren't damn-near-impossible to obtain like most of these are. I'd hazard that Psyduck can also learn Teleport or Dig (can you buy those as TMs?), which would get you back to a Pokémon centre, where you can then switch for someone that can fly. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

== Best mules? ==
I didn't know if this was worth mentioning or not (sorry if it isn't) but after a little research I've always used Golduck and Tropius. Between the two of them they can learn all 8 HMs, which only takes up two slots with no switching. {{unsigned|Ndoki}}

:I had the same with the Tropius-Tentacruel duo, which I found pretty much by chance. For this reason I transferred a random Tropius to my Leaf Green later on.
:For a pokémon to team up well with Tropius you only need a water pokémon that can learn all water HMs plus one other HM, so with a little research on Bulbapedia I found another good amount of candidates in Hoenn. I excluded starters and legendaries.
:*'''Water HMs + cut''': Tentacool &up, Crawdaunt
:*'''Water HMs + strength''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Quagsire (Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up.
:*'''Water HMs + flash''': Psyduck &up, Staryu &up, Chinchou &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lotad &up (Saphire and Emerald)
:*'''Water HMs + rock smash''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lombre &up (Saphire and Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up, Relicanth.
:So as you see, it might be more useful to make a list of water pokémon that ''don't'' make a perfect team with Tropius in Hoenn. By the way, you don't have the HM Dive in Fire Red and Leaf Green, so if you have a Tropius there, you can choose to use your {{TM|28|Dig}} on a water pokémon like Psyduck, Slowpoke, Poliwhirl or Krabby as your second slave.
:And from what I can tell from the current list, Bibarel and Skarmory make a good combo for HMs in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 18:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Topic ==
can anyone give me a list of HM mules? {{unsigned|Link-BOX}}
:Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Bibarel}} can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. {{p|Mew}}, of course, can. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Page name ==

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the page should be called HM Slaves/Mules, or something???

Although, I personally use HM Monkeys.
Not my decision, though. It's fine if you don't use my suggestion, I don't expect you to.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 16:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Defog? ==

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. [[User:Sylari|Sylari]] 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question. ==

Is there ''anything'' besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there's {{p|Smeargle}}... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until [[Generation II]].. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There's also {{p|Arceus}} in [[Generation IV]]...[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dragonite ==
Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tropius and Bibarel can also learn them all. Of course, Tropius is tough to find unless you have Platinum or access to Pal Park. {{unsigned|Osiris32}}

== So ==

Opinions on my listing revamp? Should I kill the on-field moves and leave it as HM-only? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Disagreement ==

As MAGNEDETH argues in the edit made on December 4 of 2009 about the tables made by me and edited later by TTEchidna (sorry for the awful mess XD TTEchidna's version rules):

"Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first routes of a given game." - these examples are ANYTHING but...

I agree with him in some points, first of all... "Any common pokémon capable of learning HMs can become an HM Slave" yes,
second... "typically those pokémon are captured at the beginning of the game because you need to use this abilities" yes, this is also true, BUT... the purpose of the table mentioned before was to solve the question that almost every pokémon gamer has asked himself at some point of the games, "Wich are the best pokémons in each generation to carry my HMs and Field moves?", the best and logical answer is "the pokémon who can learn the most quantity of HMs per game", obviously you can't left this task to a single pokémon since they can only learn four moves, so the idea is to distribute the HMs and Field Moves of a certain generation onto the minimum amount of HM slaves possible, maybe you'll need several HM slaves at the beginning but at some point of the game you can say "Why not concentrate all those abilities onto the minimum pokémon combination possible? this way I can throw away all those several incredibly common HM slaves that I have".

So, my point is... the tables mentioned before wasn't random examples of what an HM slave can be, or examples of common pokémons (in the meaning of not rare) that can be HM slaves, they are, according to most people, the best pokémons of each generation for being HM Slave (If you don't believe me read other forums); and this tables follows the following rules:

* The tables shows only pokémons capable of perform HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows the pokémons most compatible with HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows only pokémons capable of fill their four moves with HMs and/or field moves.
* This pokémons are combinable in the way that every HM or field move is covered between a minimum combination of pokémons.
* The tables covers and allows to view wich are all the HMs and field moves for every generation.

Obviously there's not exist one unique combination for this, but, for example, if you want to have all the eight field moves of Generation I in the best pokémon combination possible, you know that you need at least 2 HM slaves wich is the minimum of pokémons necesary to cover all the eight field moves (HMs & TMs wich do so), so, instead of investigate wich pokémon can learn wich move and so on, you can check the table, pick two pokémons, compare their possible moves and decide what is the best for you; for that reason I've decided to restore the tables until someone else suggests something better. I'll try to improve the meaning of the tables changing the title "common HM slaves" to something else to not confuse people between "most commonly used pokémons for HM Slaves because of their compability with HMs" than "Examples of Common Pókemons able to be HM Slaves".

Ok, sorry for this huge explanation and sorry for my poor grammar in english (it's not my native language but I'm practicing), I'm just trying to be part and contribute (even a little) with this wonderful community, greetings. -[[User:Daipop|Daipop]] 20:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that this is a page worth expanding upon. Maybe we limit what we add by having a minimum limit to how many HM or Field moves that Pokemon can have and be included? 6 or more sounds good to me. Any suggestions? --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 17:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
::I'm removing Milk Drink and Softboiled since they are specific to very few (1 or 2) Pokemon as soon as Gen 1+2 templates are unlocked. It's pointless to have them on the charts as I see it. --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 05:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Update for HGSS? ==
Having looked at the list purely out of interest, i thought it was very DPP centric, *most* of the pokemon are quite difficult to obtain in HGSS.
One suggestion i have that is significantly easier to obtain in HGSS than other games is kangaskhan, available from the first course on the pokewalker, and in this game learns 6/8 HMs and can learn dig as a bonus. Is it worth adding this to the list? Along with others that are possible better fits to HGSS? {{unsigned|Dudemango}}
:The article is known to be incomplete. If you can help expand it, that would be great. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Farfetch'd?! ==

How's Farfetch'd on the list? It only knows two HMs/field moves, Cut and Fly. So... Should we take it out?--[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 05:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Tentacool ==

Tentacool/cruel can learn Cut plus various Water-type HMs depending on the generation. [[User:Kylegetsspam|Kylegetsspam]] 02:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Too Limited ==

I just started a new game in Crystal and found this page. I was very excited when I found it, but very disappointed when I looked at it. My specific situation is that I neet to teach cut to someone, but don't want to just waste a Pokemon with it. I also have flash, so ideally I would teach cut and flash to one Pokemon and that Pokemon could learn another move later. But this list only includes 6 Pokemon, none of which are available to me at this point. And only two can even learn cut (Mew and Bayleef), neither of which will ever be available to me in this game. I think that ideally, this page would be an extensive list of options, rather than a few almost perfect options that are only available late in the game. This would be much more useful for people in my situation if it included every Pokemon that can learn a minimum of three HMs. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Two things.
:# This article is rather incomplete at the moment.
:# The idea of this article is to list Pokémon which can learn many HM moves. A lot of these aren't available until later in the games, so you may find you need to catch a common low level Pokémon to teach Cut, and then box it later on when you can get something which can learn more HM moves.
:In the mean time, you may find {{DL|Cut (move)|Generation IV|this list}} helpful. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Late in the game, you don't need very many HMs. You just need things like surf and fly for getting around. It's before you beat the game that you have to worry about covering many HMs with as few Pokemon as possible because you need the space for your real Pokemon. I think that the purpose of this page should be helping people to find good HM slaves, not listing Pokemon that know five or more HMs. That's not even helpful when they can only learn four. By the way, I ended up using Bellsprout because it can learn flash and cut, later teaching surf to Totodile, strength, rock smash, whirlpool, and waterfall to a Psyduck, and then fly to Pidgey. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with the idea that we should cover Pokémon that people playing the game may need to have early on as well as those that learn a large number. Bellsprout learning flash and cut gets you through the beginning of HGSS but means you need extra Pokémon with you to go anywhere. I have 4 early Pokemon that do nothing more then carry HMs in HG and as many in Pearl. But I do belive that if it were a comprehensive list people could easily see what they wanted or even what to traid over. In HGSS you can get Kangaskhan from a Pokéwalker course at the beginning like I did (2) and potentially teach her HM01,03,04,06,08, & TM28. I would be happy to go through my walkthroughs and add in a choprehensive list to Gen 3&4 if no one objects. [[User:011284mm|011284mm]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Article Length ==
This page is REALLY long, so I was thinking maybe we could split up the page into 5 different pages for each generation like with the movelists on pokemon pages, would that work? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I would prefer to remove the strategy section (i.e. the list of HM slaves) and put it in the mainspace... Same with FEAR. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree, I don't think the list is very useful either. I think the list for FEAR should be kept though. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So can we mainspace it? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I disagree. If someone made the list and other people kept updating it, it's because it's useful. What the hell people? Because it's not useful to you, it doesn't mean that it's not useful to anyone else. I was pissed that I could not find the list, with Gen V pokémons and I still am. ETA : Hey, you are probably right though. A list of pokémons by height, weight, or body style is much more useful than a damn list of pokémons by the HMs they can learn. What the hell was I thinking? [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Why no list?! ==

There used to be a list of pokémons with the HMs they could use. I came just for that, hoping to see a list of the Gen V pokémons because I am currently at the beginning of the game, I have never played and I need a mule. That you have removed the list totally sucks and if it could be useful to me, it would probably be for other people too. It was stupid to remove it. [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:The list was keeping the page in the Appendix namespace. It is a fact that HM slaves exist. What Pokémon are good HM slaves is not a fact. It is an opinion, and thus does not belong in the mainspace. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::The list was a list of pokémons along with the HMs they could learn. Those are FACTs. It was a _referrence_ list, not a goddamn opinion. There was nothing in that list pointing to any particular pokémon that hinted that "<== THIS IS A GOOD HM SLAVE!!!1120N3". If I remember correctly, it even contained pokémons that could only learn one or two HMs. So it was NOT an opinion. The list could have been made into another page, but not completely removed. Also, the list cannot be accessed from history, it's been giving a "Connection was reset". [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::How about having a list of ONLY those pokemon that can learn at least four HMs (meaning they can have a full set of four HM moves as their moveset)? This would make such pokemon natural HM slaves, and is purely a matter of fact, not opinion or preference. Also, Stoo - you can actually access the list, at least in source form, if you perform a "difference" between the current version and a version that had the list. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 13:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I was really hoping to just find a big table for each generation listing which Pokémon can learn which field moves, or which moves can be learned by whom. A list of those that can learn 3 or 4 field moves would be handy too. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As there is clearly interest in there being a proper list, and nobody has responded to my question in the meantime, I have done up a listing of the Gen V pokemon that can learn 4 or more HMs, as these are rather objectively HM slave candidates, independent of any personal opinion. If it really does offend people to have such a list, revert it, but please first have a quick look and think about any real issues with such a list - I'd rather it not just be removed because someone wasn't even willing to consider changing the rules. (for the record, I was going to construct the list in my userspace and ask for opinions about it that way, but a restriction currently gets in the way). [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 15:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::See, that's why I specifically didn't title the section "List of HM Slaves". If the list purports to be a list of pokemon that are "good" as HM Slaves, then it's definitely subjective. But if the list is specifically of "pokemon learning X or more HMs", then it's rather clear what it describes.
:::::::What if, instead, it was a list of pokemon by the number of HMs that they can learn? There are quite a few lists on bulbapedia of pokemon by height, weight, type, ability, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it would have a list for each game set (RSE, DPPt, HGSS, etc), with a column for "total number of HMs" and then columns for each HM. Since every pokemon would be on the list, and it would contain nothing but facts, it wouldn't be at all subjective. It could also provide information on where the pokemon is first obtainable (if at all) within that game set, thus making it a useful resource for people playing the game. It would be on a separate page, though, and just linked to from this page, since it's not a list of HM Slaves at all. (I'll be happy to do all the legwork in making the full lists, if necessary) [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Image ==

The [[media:HM_Slave_Bibarel.png|image]] used in this article depicts a level 100 Shiny Bibarel caught in a Cherish Ball as an example of an 'HM Slave', which somewhat implies that it has been cheated into the game. Although this screenshot technically meets the requirements set by the Manual of Style (on the Bulbagarden Archives), I think that this image should be replaced by one where the Pokemon in question appears to be legitimately obtained. (although given that the term "HM Slave" is fanon, and the presumed obscurity of the said page, I understand that this may not be necessary) 05:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Best HM Slaves ==

From what I can tell, these are the best HM Slaves of any game they're available in.

First, the HM's.

1. '''HM01''' Cut

2. '''HM02''' Fly

3. '''HM03''' Surf

4. '''HM04''' Strength

5. '''HM05''' Waterfall

6. '''HM06''' Rock Smash

7. '''HM07''' Dive

8. '''HM08''' Rock Climb

9. Old '''HM05''' Flash

10. Sinnoh '''HM05''' Defog

11. Johto '''HM06''' Whirlpool

Now, the best HM Slaves, ranked.

1. '''Mew''' (if you dare) - The universal HM Slave.

2. '''Bibarel''' - All except HM02 Fly, or Flash.

3. '''Golduck''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM02 Fly, or Defog. ''(Pairs well with Tropius)''

3. '''Dragonite''' (if you have plenty of spare Dragonites lying around) - Can't learn HM01 Cut, Flash, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel, but would need another to use Flash)''

5. '''Gyarados''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM02 Fly, Flash, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Tropius, but still would need a Rock Climb'er)''

6. '''Tropius''' - Can't learn HM03 Surf, HM05 Waterfall, Hoenn HM07 Dive, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel)''

7. '''Pelipper''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM04 Strength, Flash, HM06 Rock Smash, Hoenn HM07 Dive, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel)''

8. '''Tentacruel''' - Can't learn HM02 Fly, HM04 Strength, Flash, HM06 Rock Smash, or HM08 Rock Climb.

Good HM Buddies.

1. '''Bibarel and Tropius'''. ''(Full coverage for Sinnoh and Unova)''

2. '''Golduck and Tropius'''. ''(Full coverage for Kalos and Hoenn)''

3. '''Bibarel and Dragonite'''. ''(Full coverage, but a waste of a Dragonite)''

4. '''Bibarel and Pelipper'''. ''(Would be missing Flash)''

5. '''Gyarados and Tropius'''. ''(Would be missing Rock Climb)''

6. '''Dragonite and Tentacruel'''. ''(Would be missing Flash and Rock Climb; good for Kanto and Johto)''

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Please look and read the message at the '''top''' of this talk page. We are '''not''' going to list "the best HM Slaves". End of story.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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<big><big><big><big>Please refrain from adding a list of HM slaves to this article.</big></big></big></big>
== List of all two-Pokemon combinations ==
Aerodactyl + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Aggron + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Articuno + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Bibarel + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina(Origin), Hooh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Blastoise + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Blaziken + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Buizel + Giratina (Origin)

Carvanha + Giratina (Origin)

Charizard + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Chimchar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Clamperl + Giratina (Origin)

Corphish + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Crawdaunt + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Croconaw + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Darkrai + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dewgong + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonair + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonite + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Drapion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dratini + Giratina (Origin)

Drifblim + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Empoleon + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Entei + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Exploud + Latias, Latios

Farfetch'd + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Feebas + Giratina (Origin)

Feraligatr + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory,
Togekiss, Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Finneon + Giratina (Origin)

Floatzel + Giratina (Origin)

Flygon + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Gabite + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Garchomp + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gastrodon + Giratina (Origin)

Gible + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Giratina (Altered) + Bibarel, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Latias, Latios, Pinsir, Prinplup, Suicune, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Totodile

Giratina (Origin) + Azumarill, Azurill, Barboach, Bibarel, Blastoise, Buizel, Carvanha, Clamperl, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Dewgong, Dragonair, Dragonite, Dratini, Empoleon, Feebas, Feraligatr, Finneon,
Floatzel, Gastrodon, Goldeen, Golduck, Gorebyss, Gyarados, Horsea, Huntail, Kabuto, Kabutops, Kingdra, Kyogre, Lanturn, Lapras, Latias, Latios, Lombre, Ludicolo, Lugia, Lumineon, Luvdisc, Manaphy, Mantine,
Mantyke, Marill, Marshtomp, Milotic, Mudkip, Omanyte, Omastar, Phione, Pinsir, Politoed, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Prinplup, Psyduck, Quagsire, Rayquaza, Relicanth, Remoraid, Seadra, Seaking, Sealeo, Seel,
Sharpedo, Spheal, Squirtle, Starmie, Staryu, Suicune, Swampert, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Vaporeon, Wailmer, Wailord, Walrein, Wartortle, Whiscash, Whiscash

Goldeen + Giratina (Origin)

Golduck + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Gorebyss + Giratina (Origin)

Grotle + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Groudon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gyarados + Giratina (Origin)

Hariyama + Latias, Latios

Ho-oh + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Horsea + Giratina (Origin)

Huntail + Giratina (Origin)

Infernape + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kabuto + Giratina (Origin)

Kabutops + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Kangaskhan + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kingdra + Giratina (Origin)

Kyogre + Giratina (Origin)

Lanturn + Giratina (Origin)

Lapras + Giratina (Origin)

Latias + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Latios + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Lickilicky + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lickitung + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lombre + Giratina (Origin)

Ludicolo + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Lugia + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Lumineon + Giratina (Origin)

Luvdisc + Giratina (Origin)

Makuhita + Latias, Latios

Manaphy + Giratina (Origin)

Mantine + Giratina (Origin)

Mantyke + Giratina (Origin)

Marill + Giratina (Origin)

Marshtomp + Giratina (Origin)

Meganium + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Milotic + Giratina (Origin)

Moltres + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Monferno + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Mudkip + Giratina (Origin)

Munchlax + Latias, Latios

Nidoking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Nidoqueen + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Omanyte + Giratina (Origin)

Omastar + Charizard, Giratina (Origin), Salamence, Tropius, Tropius

Pelipper + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Phione + Giratina (Origin)

Pinsir + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos, Vibrava, Zapdos

Politoed + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwag + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwhirl + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwrath + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Prinplup + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Psyduck + Giratina (Origin)

Quagsire + Giratina (Origin)

Raikou + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rampardos + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rayquaza + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Relicanth + Giratina (Origin)

Remoraid + Giratina (Origin)

Rhydon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rhyperior + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Salamence + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Sandshrew + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sandslash + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sceptile + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Seadra + Giratina (Origin)

Seaking + Giratina (Origin)

Sealeo + Giratina (Origin)

Seel + Giratina (Origin)

Sharpedo + Giratina (Origin)

Skarmory + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Slaking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Snorlax + Latias, Latios

Spheal + Giratina (Origin)

Squirtle + Giratina (Origin)

Starmie + Giratina (Origin)

Staryu + Giratina (Origin)

Steelix + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Suicune + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Swampert + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Tauros + Latias, Latios

Tentacool + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Tentacruel + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Togekiss + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Togetic + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Torterra + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Totodile + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Toxicroak + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tropius + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Turtwig + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Typhlosion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tyranitar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Ursaring + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vaporeon + Giratina (Origin)

Venusaur + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vibrava + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Vigoroth + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Wailmer + Giratina (Origin)

Wailord + Giratina (Origin)

Walrein + Giratina (Origin)

Wartortle + Giratina (Origin)

Whiscash + Giratina (Origin)

Zapdos + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

You all may do with this as you wish. [[User:Skandranonsg|Skandranonsg]] 18:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:For HGSS, Tentacruel+Psyduck give you everything but Fly. Fly is a decent enough move that you probably have it on one of your other Pokémon anyway, and Tentacruel and Psyduck aren't damn-near-impossible to obtain like most of these are. I'd hazard that Psyduck can also learn Teleport or Dig (can you buy those as TMs?), which would get you back to a Pokémon centre, where you can then switch for someone that can fly. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

== Best mules? ==
I didn't know if this was worth mentioning or not (sorry if it isn't) but after a little research I've always used Golduck and Tropius. Between the two of them they can learn all 8 HMs, which only takes up two slots with no switching. {{unsigned|Ndoki}}

:I had the same with the Tropius-Tentacruel duo, which I found pretty much by chance. For this reason I transferred a random Tropius to my Leaf Green later on.
:For a pokémon to team up well with Tropius you only need a water pokémon that can learn all water HMs plus one other HM, so with a little research on Bulbapedia I found another good amount of candidates in Hoenn. I excluded starters and legendaries.
:*'''Water HMs + cut''': Tentacool &up, Crawdaunt
:*'''Water HMs + strength''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Quagsire (Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up.
:*'''Water HMs + flash''': Psyduck &up, Staryu &up, Chinchou &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lotad &up (Saphire and Emerald)
:*'''Water HMs + rock smash''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lombre &up (Saphire and Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up, Relicanth.
:So as you see, it might be more useful to make a list of water pokémon that ''don't'' make a perfect team with Tropius in Hoenn. By the way, you don't have the HM Dive in Fire Red and Leaf Green, so if you have a Tropius there, you can choose to use your {{TM|28|Dig}} on a water pokémon like Psyduck, Slowpoke, Poliwhirl or Krabby as your second slave.
:And from what I can tell from the current list, Bibarel and Skarmory make a good combo for HMs in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 18:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Topic ==
can anyone give me a list of HM mules? {{unsigned|Link-BOX}}
:Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Bibarel}} can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. {{p|Mew}}, of course, can. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Page name ==

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the page should be called HM Slaves/Mules, or something???

Although, I personally use HM Monkeys.
Not my decision, though. It's fine if you don't use my suggestion, I don't expect you to.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 16:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Defog? ==

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. [[User:Sylari|Sylari]] 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question. ==

Is there ''anything'' besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there's {{p|Smeargle}}... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until [[Generation II]].. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There's also {{p|Arceus}} in [[Generation IV]]...[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dragonite ==
Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tropius and Bibarel can also learn them all. Of course, Tropius is tough to find unless you have Platinum or access to Pal Park. {{unsigned|Osiris32}}

== So ==

Opinions on my listing revamp? Should I kill the on-field moves and leave it as HM-only? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Disagreement ==

As MAGNEDETH argues in the edit made on December 4 of 2009 about the tables made by me and edited later by TTEchidna (sorry for the awful mess XD TTEchidna's version rules):

"Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first routes of a given game." - these examples are ANYTHING but...

I agree with him in some points, first of all... "Any common pokémon capable of learning HMs can become an HM Slave" yes,
second... "typically those pokémon are captured at the beginning of the game because you need to use this abilities" yes, this is also true, BUT... the purpose of the table mentioned before was to solve the question that almost every pokémon gamer has asked himself at some point of the games, "Wich are the best pokémons in each generation to carry my HMs and Field moves?", the best and logical answer is "the pokémon who can learn the most quantity of HMs per game", obviously you can't left this task to a single pokémon since they can only learn four moves, so the idea is to distribute the HMs and Field Moves of a certain generation onto the minimum amount of HM slaves possible, maybe you'll need several HM slaves at the beginning but at some point of the game you can say "Why not concentrate all those abilities onto the minimum pokémon combination possible? this way I can throw away all those several incredibly common HM slaves that I have".

So, my point is... the tables mentioned before wasn't random examples of what an HM slave can be, or examples of common pokémons (in the meaning of not rare) that can be HM slaves, they are, according to most people, the best pokémons of each generation for being HM Slave (If you don't believe me read other forums); and this tables follows the following rules:

* The tables shows only pokémons capable of perform HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows the pokémons most compatible with HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows only pokémons capable of fill their four moves with HMs and/or field moves.
* This pokémons are combinable in the way that every HM or field move is covered between a minimum combination of pokémons.
* The tables covers and allows to view wich are all the HMs and field moves for every generation.

Obviously there's not exist one unique combination for this, but, for example, if you want to have all the eight field moves of Generation I in the best pokémon combination possible, you know that you need at least 2 HM slaves wich is the minimum of pokémons necesary to cover all the eight field moves (HMs & TMs wich do so), so, instead of investigate wich pokémon can learn wich move and so on, you can check the table, pick two pokémons, compare their possible moves and decide what is the best for you; for that reason I've decided to restore the tables until someone else suggests something better. I'll try to improve the meaning of the tables changing the title "common HM slaves" to something else to not confuse people between "most commonly used pokémons for HM Slaves because of their compability with HMs" than "Examples of Common Pókemons able to be HM Slaves".

Ok, sorry for this huge explanation and sorry for my poor grammar in english (it's not my native language but I'm practicing), I'm just trying to be part and contribute (even a little) with this wonderful community, greetings. -[[User:Daipop|Daipop]] 20:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that this is a page worth expanding upon. Maybe we limit what we add by having a minimum limit to how many HM or Field moves that Pokemon can have and be included? 6 or more sounds good to me. Any suggestions? --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 17:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
::I'm removing Milk Drink and Softboiled since they are specific to very few (1 or 2) Pokemon as soon as Gen 1+2 templates are unlocked. It's pointless to have them on the charts as I see it. --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 05:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Update for HGSS? ==
Having looked at the list purely out of interest, i thought it was very DPP centric, *most* of the pokemon are quite difficult to obtain in HGSS.
One suggestion i have that is significantly easier to obtain in HGSS than other games is kangaskhan, available from the first course on the pokewalker, and in this game learns 6/8 HMs and can learn dig as a bonus. Is it worth adding this to the list? Along with others that are possible better fits to HGSS? {{unsigned|Dudemango}}
:The article is known to be incomplete. If you can help expand it, that would be great. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Farfetch'd?! ==

How's Farfetch'd on the list? It only knows two HMs/field moves, Cut and Fly. So... Should we take it out?--[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 05:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Tentacool ==

Tentacool/cruel can learn Cut plus various Water-type HMs depending on the generation. [[User:Kylegetsspam|Kylegetsspam]] 02:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Too Limited ==

I just started a new game in Crystal and found this page. I was very excited when I found it, but very disappointed when I looked at it. My specific situation is that I neet to teach cut to someone, but don't want to just waste a Pokemon with it. I also have flash, so ideally I would teach cut and flash to one Pokemon and that Pokemon could learn another move later. But this list only includes 6 Pokemon, none of which are available to me at this point. And only two can even learn cut (Mew and Bayleef), neither of which will ever be available to me in this game. I think that ideally, this page would be an extensive list of options, rather than a few almost perfect options that are only available late in the game. This would be much more useful for people in my situation if it included every Pokemon that can learn a minimum of three HMs. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Two things.
:# This article is rather incomplete at the moment.
:# The idea of this article is to list Pokémon which can learn many HM moves. A lot of these aren't available until later in the games, so you may find you need to catch a common low level Pokémon to teach Cut, and then box it later on when you can get something which can learn more HM moves.
:In the mean time, you may find {{DL|Cut (move)|Generation IV|this list}} helpful. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Late in the game, you don't need very many HMs. You just need things like surf and fly for getting around. It's before you beat the game that you have to worry about covering many HMs with as few Pokemon as possible because you need the space for your real Pokemon. I think that the purpose of this page should be helping people to find good HM slaves, not listing Pokemon that know five or more HMs. That's not even helpful when they can only learn four. By the way, I ended up using Bellsprout because it can learn flash and cut, later teaching surf to Totodile, strength, rock smash, whirlpool, and waterfall to a Psyduck, and then fly to Pidgey. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with the idea that we should cover Pokémon that people playing the game may need to have early on as well as those that learn a large number. Bellsprout learning flash and cut gets you through the beginning of HGSS but means you need extra Pokémon with you to go anywhere. I have 4 early Pokemon that do nothing more then carry HMs in HG and as many in Pearl. But I do belive that if it were a comprehensive list people could easily see what they wanted or even what to traid over. In HGSS you can get Kangaskhan from a Pokéwalker course at the beginning like I did (2) and potentially teach her HM01,03,04,06,08, & TM28. I would be happy to go through my walkthroughs and add in a choprehensive list to Gen 3&4 if no one objects. [[User:011284mm|011284mm]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Article Length ==
This page is REALLY long, so I was thinking maybe we could split up the page into 5 different pages for each generation like with the movelists on pokemon pages, would that work? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I would prefer to remove the strategy section (i.e. the list of HM slaves) and put it in the mainspace... Same with FEAR. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree, I don't think the list is very useful either. I think the list for FEAR should be kept though. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So can we mainspace it? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I disagree. If someone made the list and other people kept updating it, it's because it's useful. What the hell people? Because it's not useful to you, it doesn't mean that it's not useful to anyone else. I was pissed that I could not find the list, with Gen V pokémons and I still am. ETA : Hey, you are probably right though. A list of pokémons by height, weight, or body style is much more useful than a damn list of pokémons by the HMs they can learn. What the hell was I thinking? [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Why no list?! ==

There used to be a list of pokémons with the HMs they could use. I came just for that, hoping to see a list of the Gen V pokémons because I am currently at the beginning of the game, I have never played and I need a mule. That you have removed the list totally sucks and if it could be useful to me, it would probably be for other people too. It was stupid to remove it. [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:The list was keeping the page in the Appendix namespace. It is a fact that HM slaves exist. What Pokémon are good HM slaves is not a fact. It is an opinion, and thus does not belong in the mainspace. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::The list was a list of pokémons along with the HMs they could learn. Those are FACTs. It was a _referrence_ list, not a goddamn opinion. There was nothing in that list pointing to any particular pokémon that hinted that "<== THIS IS A GOOD HM SLAVE!!!1120N3". If I remember correctly, it even contained pokémons that could only learn one or two HMs. So it was NOT an opinion. The list could have been made into another page, but not completely removed. Also, the list cannot be accessed from history, it's been giving a "Connection was reset". [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::How about having a list of ONLY those pokemon that can learn at least four HMs (meaning they can have a full set of four HM moves as their moveset)? This would make such pokemon natural HM slaves, and is purely a matter of fact, not opinion or preference. Also, Stoo - you can actually access the list, at least in source form, if you perform a "difference" between the current version and a version that had the list. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 13:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I was really hoping to just find a big table for each generation listing which Pokémon can learn which field moves, or which moves can be learned by whom. A list of those that can learn 3 or 4 field moves would be handy too. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As there is clearly interest in there being a proper list, and nobody has responded to my question in the meantime, I have done up a listing of the Gen V pokemon that can learn 4 or more HMs, as these are rather objectively HM slave candidates, independent of any personal opinion. If it really does offend people to have such a list, revert it, but please first have a quick look and think about any real issues with such a list - I'd rather it not just be removed because someone wasn't even willing to consider changing the rules. (for the record, I was going to construct the list in my userspace and ask for opinions about it that way, but a restriction currently gets in the way). [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 15:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::See, that's why I specifically didn't title the section "List of HM Slaves". If the list purports to be a list of pokemon that are "good" as HM Slaves, then it's definitely subjective. But if the list is specifically of "pokemon learning X or more HMs", then it's rather clear what it describes.
:::::::What if, instead, it was a list of pokemon by the number of HMs that they can learn? There are quite a few lists on bulbapedia of pokemon by height, weight, type, ability, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it would have a list for each game set (RSE, DPPt, HGSS, etc), with a column for "total number of HMs" and then columns for each HM. Since every pokemon would be on the list, and it would contain nothing but facts, it wouldn't be at all subjective. It could also provide information on where the pokemon is first obtainable (if at all) within that game set, thus making it a useful resource for people playing the game. It would be on a separate page, though, and just linked to from this page, since it's not a list of HM Slaves at all. (I'll be happy to do all the legwork in making the full lists, if necessary) [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Image ==

The [[media:HM_Slave_Bibarel.png|image]] used in this article depicts a level 100 Shiny Bibarel caught in a Cherish Ball as an example of an 'HM Slave', which somewhat implies that it has been cheated into the game. Although this screenshot technically meets the requirements set by the Manual of Style (on the Bulbagarden Archives), I think that this image should be replaced by one where the Pokemon in question appears to be legitimately obtained. (although given that the term "HM Slave" is fanon, and the presumed obscurity of the said page, I understand that this may not be necessary) 05:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Best HM Slaves ==

From what I can tell, these are the best HM Slaves of any game they're available in.

First, the HM's.

1. '''HM01''' Cut

2. '''HM02''' Fly

3. '''HM03''' Surf

4. '''HM04''' Strength

5. '''HM05''' Waterfall

6. '''HM06''' Rock Smash

7. '''HM07''' Dive

8. '''HM08''' Rock Climb

9. Old '''HM05''' Flash

10. Sinnoh '''HM05''' Defog

11. Johto '''HM06''' Whirlpool

Now, the best HM Slaves, ranked.

1. '''Mew''' (if you dare) - The universal HM Slave.

2. '''Bibarel''' - All except HM02 Fly, or Flash.

3. '''Golduck''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM02 Fly, or Defog. ''(Pairs well with Tropius)''

3. '''Dragonite''' (if you have plenty of spare Dragonites lying around) - Can't learn HM01 Cut, Flash, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel, but would need another to use Flash)''

5. '''Gyarados''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM02 Fly, Flash, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Tropius, but still would need a Rock Climb'er)''

6. '''Tropius''' - Can't learn HM03 Surf, HM05 Waterfall, Hoenn HM07 Dive, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel)''

7. '''Pelipper''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM04 Strength, Flash, HM06 Rock Smash, Hoenn HM07 Dive, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel)''

Good HM Buddies.

1. '''Bibarel and Tropius'''. ''(Full coverage)''

2. '''Golduck and Tropius'''. ''(Full coverage)''

3. '''Bibarel and Dragonite'''. ''(Full coverage)''

4. '''Bibarel and Pelipper'''. ''(Would be missing Flash)''

5. '''Gyarados and Tropius'''. ''(Would be missing Rock Climb)''

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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== List of all two-Pokemon combinations ==
Aerodactyl + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Aggron + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Articuno + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Bibarel + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina(Origin), Hooh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Blastoise + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Blaziken + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Buizel + Giratina (Origin)

Carvanha + Giratina (Origin)

Charizard + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Chimchar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Clamperl + Giratina (Origin)

Corphish + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Crawdaunt + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Croconaw + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Darkrai + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dewgong + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonair + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonite + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Drapion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dratini + Giratina (Origin)

Drifblim + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Empoleon + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Entei + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Exploud + Latias, Latios

Farfetch'd + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Feebas + Giratina (Origin)

Feraligatr + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory,
Togekiss, Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Finneon + Giratina (Origin)

Floatzel + Giratina (Origin)

Flygon + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Gabite + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Garchomp + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gastrodon + Giratina (Origin)

Gible + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Giratina (Altered) + Bibarel, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Latias, Latios, Pinsir, Prinplup, Suicune, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Totodile

Giratina (Origin) + Azumarill, Azurill, Barboach, Bibarel, Blastoise, Buizel, Carvanha, Clamperl, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Dewgong, Dragonair, Dragonite, Dratini, Empoleon, Feebas, Feraligatr, Finneon,
Floatzel, Gastrodon, Goldeen, Golduck, Gorebyss, Gyarados, Horsea, Huntail, Kabuto, Kabutops, Kingdra, Kyogre, Lanturn, Lapras, Latias, Latios, Lombre, Ludicolo, Lugia, Lumineon, Luvdisc, Manaphy, Mantine,
Mantyke, Marill, Marshtomp, Milotic, Mudkip, Omanyte, Omastar, Phione, Pinsir, Politoed, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Prinplup, Psyduck, Quagsire, Rayquaza, Relicanth, Remoraid, Seadra, Seaking, Sealeo, Seel,
Sharpedo, Spheal, Squirtle, Starmie, Staryu, Suicune, Swampert, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Vaporeon, Wailmer, Wailord, Walrein, Wartortle, Whiscash, Whiscash

Goldeen + Giratina (Origin)

Golduck + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Gorebyss + Giratina (Origin)

Grotle + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Groudon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gyarados + Giratina (Origin)

Hariyama + Latias, Latios

Ho-oh + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Horsea + Giratina (Origin)

Huntail + Giratina (Origin)

Infernape + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kabuto + Giratina (Origin)

Kabutops + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Kangaskhan + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kingdra + Giratina (Origin)

Kyogre + Giratina (Origin)

Lanturn + Giratina (Origin)

Lapras + Giratina (Origin)

Latias + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Latios + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Lickilicky + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lickitung + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lombre + Giratina (Origin)

Ludicolo + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Lugia + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Lumineon + Giratina (Origin)

Luvdisc + Giratina (Origin)

Makuhita + Latias, Latios

Manaphy + Giratina (Origin)

Mantine + Giratina (Origin)

Mantyke + Giratina (Origin)

Marill + Giratina (Origin)

Marshtomp + Giratina (Origin)

Meganium + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Milotic + Giratina (Origin)

Moltres + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Monferno + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Mudkip + Giratina (Origin)

Munchlax + Latias, Latios

Nidoking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Nidoqueen + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Omanyte + Giratina (Origin)

Omastar + Charizard, Giratina (Origin), Salamence, Tropius, Tropius

Pelipper + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Phione + Giratina (Origin)

Pinsir + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos, Vibrava, Zapdos

Politoed + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwag + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwhirl + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwrath + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Prinplup + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Psyduck + Giratina (Origin)

Quagsire + Giratina (Origin)

Raikou + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rampardos + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rayquaza + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Relicanth + Giratina (Origin)

Remoraid + Giratina (Origin)

Rhydon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rhyperior + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Salamence + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Sandshrew + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sandslash + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sceptile + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Seadra + Giratina (Origin)

Seaking + Giratina (Origin)

Sealeo + Giratina (Origin)

Seel + Giratina (Origin)

Sharpedo + Giratina (Origin)

Skarmory + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Slaking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Snorlax + Latias, Latios

Spheal + Giratina (Origin)

Squirtle + Giratina (Origin)

Starmie + Giratina (Origin)

Staryu + Giratina (Origin)

Steelix + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Suicune + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Swampert + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Tauros + Latias, Latios

Tentacool + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Tentacruel + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Togekiss + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Togetic + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Torterra + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Totodile + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Toxicroak + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tropius + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Turtwig + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Typhlosion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tyranitar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Ursaring + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vaporeon + Giratina (Origin)

Venusaur + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vibrava + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Vigoroth + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Wailmer + Giratina (Origin)

Wailord + Giratina (Origin)

Walrein + Giratina (Origin)

Wartortle + Giratina (Origin)

Whiscash + Giratina (Origin)

Zapdos + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

You all may do with this as you wish. [[User:Skandranonsg|Skandranonsg]] 18:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:For HGSS, Tentacruel+Psyduck give you everything but Fly. Fly is a decent enough move that you probably have it on one of your other Pokémon anyway, and Tentacruel and Psyduck aren't damn-near-impossible to obtain like most of these are. I'd hazard that Psyduck can also learn Teleport or Dig (can you buy those as TMs?), which would get you back to a Pokémon centre, where you can then switch for someone that can fly. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

== Best mules? ==
I didn't know if this was worth mentioning or not (sorry if it isn't) but after a little research I've always used Golduck and Tropius. Between the two of them they can learn all 8 HMs, which only takes up two slots with no switching. {{unsigned|Ndoki}}

:I had the same with the Tropius-Tentacruel duo, which I found pretty much by chance. For this reason I transferred a random Tropius to my Leaf Green later on.
:For a pokémon to team up well with Tropius you only need a water pokémon that can learn all water HMs plus one other HM, so with a little research on Bulbapedia I found another good amount of candidates in Hoenn. I excluded starters and legendaries.
:*'''Water HMs + cut''': Tentacool &up, Crawdaunt
:*'''Water HMs + strength''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Quagsire (Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up.
:*'''Water HMs + flash''': Psyduck &up, Staryu &up, Chinchou &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lotad &up (Saphire and Emerald)
:*'''Water HMs + rock smash''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lombre &up (Saphire and Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up, Relicanth.
:So as you see, it might be more useful to make a list of water pokémon that ''don't'' make a perfect team with Tropius in Hoenn. By the way, you don't have the HM Dive in Fire Red and Leaf Green, so if you have a Tropius there, you can choose to use your {{TM|28|Dig}} on a water pokémon like Psyduck, Slowpoke, Poliwhirl or Krabby as your second slave.
:And from what I can tell from the current list, Bibarel and Skarmory make a good combo for HMs in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 18:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Topic ==
can anyone give me a list of HM mules? {{unsigned|Link-BOX}}
:Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Bibarel}} can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. {{p|Mew}}, of course, can. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Page name ==

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the page should be called HM Slaves/Mules, or something???

Although, I personally use HM Monkeys.
Not my decision, though. It's fine if you don't use my suggestion, I don't expect you to.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 16:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Defog? ==

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. [[User:Sylari|Sylari]] 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question. ==

Is there ''anything'' besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there's {{p|Smeargle}}... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until [[Generation II]].. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There's also {{p|Arceus}} in [[Generation IV]]...[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dragonite ==
Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tropius and Bibarel can also learn them all. Of course, Tropius is tough to find unless you have Platinum or access to Pal Park. {{unsigned|Osiris32}}

== So ==

Opinions on my listing revamp? Should I kill the on-field moves and leave it as HM-only? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Disagreement ==

As MAGNEDETH argues in the edit made on December 4 of 2009 about the tables made by me and edited later by TTEchidna (sorry for the awful mess XD TTEchidna's version rules):

"Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first routes of a given game." - these examples are ANYTHING but...

I agree with him in some points, first of all... "Any common pokémon capable of learning HMs can become an HM Slave" yes,
second... "typically those pokémon are captured at the beginning of the game because you need to use this abilities" yes, this is also true, BUT... the purpose of the table mentioned before was to solve the question that almost every pokémon gamer has asked himself at some point of the games, "Wich are the best pokémons in each generation to carry my HMs and Field moves?", the best and logical answer is "the pokémon who can learn the most quantity of HMs per game", obviously you can't left this task to a single pokémon since they can only learn four moves, so the idea is to distribute the HMs and Field Moves of a certain generation onto the minimum amount of HM slaves possible, maybe you'll need several HM slaves at the beginning but at some point of the game you can say "Why not concentrate all those abilities onto the minimum pokémon combination possible? this way I can throw away all those several incredibly common HM slaves that I have".

So, my point is... the tables mentioned before wasn't random examples of what an HM slave can be, or examples of common pokémons (in the meaning of not rare) that can be HM slaves, they are, according to most people, the best pokémons of each generation for being HM Slave (If you don't believe me read other forums); and this tables follows the following rules:

* The tables shows only pokémons capable of perform HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows the pokémons most compatible with HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows only pokémons capable of fill their four moves with HMs and/or field moves.
* This pokémons are combinable in the way that every HM or field move is covered between a minimum combination of pokémons.
* The tables covers and allows to view wich are all the HMs and field moves for every generation.

Obviously there's not exist one unique combination for this, but, for example, if you want to have all the eight field moves of Generation I in the best pokémon combination possible, you know that you need at least 2 HM slaves wich is the minimum of pokémons necesary to cover all the eight field moves (HMs & TMs wich do so), so, instead of investigate wich pokémon can learn wich move and so on, you can check the table, pick two pokémons, compare their possible moves and decide what is the best for you; for that reason I've decided to restore the tables until someone else suggests something better. I'll try to improve the meaning of the tables changing the title "common HM slaves" to something else to not confuse people between "most commonly used pokémons for HM Slaves because of their compability with HMs" than "Examples of Common Pókemons able to be HM Slaves".

Ok, sorry for this huge explanation and sorry for my poor grammar in english (it's not my native language but I'm practicing), I'm just trying to be part and contribute (even a little) with this wonderful community, greetings. -[[User:Daipop|Daipop]] 20:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that this is a page worth expanding upon. Maybe we limit what we add by having a minimum limit to how many HM or Field moves that Pokemon can have and be included? 6 or more sounds good to me. Any suggestions? --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 17:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
::I'm removing Milk Drink and Softboiled since they are specific to very few (1 or 2) Pokemon as soon as Gen 1+2 templates are unlocked. It's pointless to have them on the charts as I see it. --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 05:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Update for HGSS? ==
Having looked at the list purely out of interest, i thought it was very DPP centric, *most* of the pokemon are quite difficult to obtain in HGSS.
One suggestion i have that is significantly easier to obtain in HGSS than other games is kangaskhan, available from the first course on the pokewalker, and in this game learns 6/8 HMs and can learn dig as a bonus. Is it worth adding this to the list? Along with others that are possible better fits to HGSS? {{unsigned|Dudemango}}
:The article is known to be incomplete. If you can help expand it, that would be great. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Farfetch'd?! ==

How's Farfetch'd on the list? It only knows two HMs/field moves, Cut and Fly. So... Should we take it out?--[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 05:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Tentacool ==

Tentacool/cruel can learn Cut plus various Water-type HMs depending on the generation. [[User:Kylegetsspam|Kylegetsspam]] 02:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Too Limited ==

I just started a new game in Crystal and found this page. I was very excited when I found it, but very disappointed when I looked at it. My specific situation is that I neet to teach cut to someone, but don't want to just waste a Pokemon with it. I also have flash, so ideally I would teach cut and flash to one Pokemon and that Pokemon could learn another move later. But this list only includes 6 Pokemon, none of which are available to me at this point. And only two can even learn cut (Mew and Bayleef), neither of which will ever be available to me in this game. I think that ideally, this page would be an extensive list of options, rather than a few almost perfect options that are only available late in the game. This would be much more useful for people in my situation if it included every Pokemon that can learn a minimum of three HMs. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Two things.
:# This article is rather incomplete at the moment.
:# The idea of this article is to list Pokémon which can learn many HM moves. A lot of these aren't available until later in the games, so you may find you need to catch a common low level Pokémon to teach Cut, and then box it later on when you can get something which can learn more HM moves.
:In the mean time, you may find {{DL|Cut (move)|Generation IV|this list}} helpful. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Late in the game, you don't need very many HMs. You just need things like surf and fly for getting around. It's before you beat the game that you have to worry about covering many HMs with as few Pokemon as possible because you need the space for your real Pokemon. I think that the purpose of this page should be helping people to find good HM slaves, not listing Pokemon that know five or more HMs. That's not even helpful when they can only learn four. By the way, I ended up using Bellsprout because it can learn flash and cut, later teaching surf to Totodile, strength, rock smash, whirlpool, and waterfall to a Psyduck, and then fly to Pidgey. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with the idea that we should cover Pokémon that people playing the game may need to have early on as well as those that learn a large number. Bellsprout learning flash and cut gets you through the beginning of HGSS but means you need extra Pokémon with you to go anywhere. I have 4 early Pokemon that do nothing more then carry HMs in HG and as many in Pearl. But I do belive that if it were a comprehensive list people could easily see what they wanted or even what to traid over. In HGSS you can get Kangaskhan from a Pokéwalker course at the beginning like I did (2) and potentially teach her HM01,03,04,06,08, & TM28. I would be happy to go through my walkthroughs and add in a choprehensive list to Gen 3&4 if no one objects. [[User:011284mm|011284mm]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Article Length ==
This page is REALLY long, so I was thinking maybe we could split up the page into 5 different pages for each generation like with the movelists on pokemon pages, would that work? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I would prefer to remove the strategy section (i.e. the list of HM slaves) and put it in the mainspace... Same with FEAR. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree, I don't think the list is very useful either. I think the list for FEAR should be kept though. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So can we mainspace it? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I disagree. If someone made the list and other people kept updating it, it's because it's useful. What the hell people? Because it's not useful to you, it doesn't mean that it's not useful to anyone else. I was pissed that I could not find the list, with Gen V pokémons and I still am. ETA : Hey, you are probably right though. A list of pokémons by height, weight, or body style is much more useful than a damn list of pokémons by the HMs they can learn. What the hell was I thinking? [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Why no list?! ==

There used to be a list of pokémons with the HMs they could use. I came just for that, hoping to see a list of the Gen V pokémons because I am currently at the beginning of the game, I have never played and I need a mule. That you have removed the list totally sucks and if it could be useful to me, it would probably be for other people too. It was stupid to remove it. [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:The list was keeping the page in the Appendix namespace. It is a fact that HM slaves exist. What Pokémon are good HM slaves is not a fact. It is an opinion, and thus does not belong in the mainspace. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::The list was a list of pokémons along with the HMs they could learn. Those are FACTs. It was a _referrence_ list, not a goddamn opinion. There was nothing in that list pointing to any particular pokémon that hinted that "<== THIS IS A GOOD HM SLAVE!!!1120N3". If I remember correctly, it even contained pokémons that could only learn one or two HMs. So it was NOT an opinion. The list could have been made into another page, but not completely removed. Also, the list cannot be accessed from history, it's been giving a "Connection was reset". [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::How about having a list of ONLY those pokemon that can learn at least four HMs (meaning they can have a full set of four HM moves as their moveset)? This would make such pokemon natural HM slaves, and is purely a matter of fact, not opinion or preference. Also, Stoo - you can actually access the list, at least in source form, if you perform a "difference" between the current version and a version that had the list. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 13:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I was really hoping to just find a big table for each generation listing which Pokémon can learn which field moves, or which moves can be learned by whom. A list of those that can learn 3 or 4 field moves would be handy too. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As there is clearly interest in there being a proper list, and nobody has responded to my question in the meantime, I have done up a listing of the Gen V pokemon that can learn 4 or more HMs, as these are rather objectively HM slave candidates, independent of any personal opinion. If it really does offend people to have such a list, revert it, but please first have a quick look and think about any real issues with such a list - I'd rather it not just be removed because someone wasn't even willing to consider changing the rules. (for the record, I was going to construct the list in my userspace and ask for opinions about it that way, but a restriction currently gets in the way). [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 15:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::See, that's why I specifically didn't title the section "List of HM Slaves". If the list purports to be a list of pokemon that are "good" as HM Slaves, then it's definitely subjective. But if the list is specifically of "pokemon learning X or more HMs", then it's rather clear what it describes.
:::::::What if, instead, it was a list of pokemon by the number of HMs that they can learn? There are quite a few lists on bulbapedia of pokemon by height, weight, type, ability, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it would have a list for each game set (RSE, DPPt, HGSS, etc), with a column for "total number of HMs" and then columns for each HM. Since every pokemon would be on the list, and it would contain nothing but facts, it wouldn't be at all subjective. It could also provide information on where the pokemon is first obtainable (if at all) within that game set, thus making it a useful resource for people playing the game. It would be on a separate page, though, and just linked to from this page, since it's not a list of HM Slaves at all. (I'll be happy to do all the legwork in making the full lists, if necessary) [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Image ==

The [[media:HM_Slave_Bibarel.png|image]] used in this article depicts a level 100 Shiny Bibarel caught in a Cherish Ball as an example of an 'HM Slave', which somewhat implies that it has been cheated into the game. Although this screenshot technically meets the requirements set by the Manual of Style (on the Bulbagarden Archives), I think that this image should be replaced by one where the Pokemon in question appears to be legitimately obtained. (although given that the term "HM Slave" is fanon, and the presumed obscurity of the said page, I understand that this may not be necessary) 05:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Best HM Slaves ==

From what I can tell, these are the best HM Slaves of any game they're available in.

First, the HM's.

1. '''HM01''' Cut

2. '''HM02''' Fly

3. '''HM03''' Surf

4. '''HM04''' Strength

5. '''HM05''' Waterfall

6. '''HM06''' Rock Smash

7. '''HM07''' Dive

8. '''HM08''' Rock Climb

9. Old '''HM05''' Flash

10. Sinnoh '''HM05''' Defog

11. Johto '''HM06''' Whirlpool

Now, the best HM Slaves, ranked.

1. '''Mew''' (if you dare) - The universal HM Slave.

2. '''Bibarel''' - All except HM02 Fly, or Flash.

3. '''Golduck''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM02 Fly, or Defog. ''(Pairs well with Tropius)''

3. '''Dragonite''' (if you have plenty of spare Dragonites lying around) - Can't learn HM01 Cut, Flash, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel, but would need another to use Flash)''

5. '''Gyarados''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM02 Fly, Flash, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Tropius, but still would need a Rock Climb'er)''

6. '''Tropius''' - Can't learn HM03 Surf, HM05 Waterfall, Hoenn HM07 Dive, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel)''

7. '''Pelipper''' - Can't learn HM01 Cut, HM04 Strength, Flash, HM06 Rock Smash, Hoenn HM07 Dive, or HM08 Rock Climb. ''(Pairs well with Bibarel)''

Good HM Buddies.

1. Bibarel and Tropius.

2. Golduck and Tropius.

3. Gyarados and Tropius.

4. Pelipper and Bibarel.

5. Bibarel and Dragonite.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 07:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Mewtwo (Pokémon)

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'''Mewtwo''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ミュウツー''' ''Mewtwo'') is a {{type|Psychic}} [[Legendary Pokémon]].

While it is not known to [[evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon, it can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into two different forms: '''Mega Mewtwo X''' using {{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite X}} and '''Mega Mewtwo Y''' using {{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite Y}}.

It is a member of the {{DL|Legendary duo|Mew and Mewtwo|Mew duo}} along with {{p|Mew}}.

==Biology==
Mewtwo is a [[artificial Pokémon|Pokémon created by science]]. It is a bipedal, humanoid creature with some feline features. It is primarily gray with a long, purple tail. On top of its head are two short, blunt horns, and it has purple eyes. A tube extends from the back of its skull to the top of its spine, bypassing its neck. It has a defined chest and shoulders, which resemble a breastplate. The three digits on each hand and foot have spherical tips. Its tail is thick at the base, but thins before ending in a small bulb.

Mega Mewtwo X is larger and bulkier than its normal state. The horns on its head are longer and extend from V-shaped ridges on its forehead. Additionally, the horns are now pointed and curve upward. It now has two tubes behind its neck, its eyes are light blue, and it has large, purple growths over its shoulders. Its torso is smooth and small compared to its long, bulky limbs, and a Y-shaped line connects the collar and underbelly. Its forearms and thighs each have two raised ridges, and its digits are now longer and thinner. The tail is slightly shorter and stiffer than before and has a curled tip.

In comparison, Mega Mewtwo Y is smaller and lighter, losing its long tail and the tube behind its neck. However, it grows a long, purple appendage with a curled tip from the back of its head that is similar to its previous form's tail. On its head it has two pointed, backward-curving spikes and a half-ring structure connecting to base of each and crossing over the top of its head, with empty space inside. Its eyes are now red and slightly larger. The digits on its hands and feet are now purple and more bulbous, and the middle toe is longer than the others. A bumpy ridge similar to a {{wp|sternum}} replaces the breastplate structure on its chest, but this form is still largely smoother than the other two.

Mewtwo was created after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments based on {{p|Mew}}. It is said to have the most savage heart among all Pokémon, lack compassion, and strike fear into its enemy with cold, glowing eyes. Because it was engineered to be the ultimate in battle, it can only think of defeating its foes. In the first movie, {{OBP|Mewtwo|original series}} exemplified these vicious characteristics and was shown to be capable of levitation, telepathy and mind control. However, it was [[Mewtwo Returns|later shown]] to be caring, protective, and even altruistic. Another {{OBP|Mewtwo|Best Wishes series}} in the anime shared its aversion to contact with others, but was much less belligerent. Mewtwo conserves energy by remaining motionless in order to unleash its full power in battle. It is also capable of materializing psychic waves in the form of its [[signature move]], {{m|Psystrike}}. Though {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rare Pokémon|rarely seen}} in the wild, it is said to be resting in a dark cave somewhere.

==History==
According to the [[Pokémon Mansion journals|scientific logs]] found in the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} of [[Cinnabar Island]], Mewtwo was born of a pregnant {{p|Mew}}, found deep in the jungles of [[Guyana]], whose embryo had been tampered with to alter its DNA. It was held and studied in the mansion where [[Mr. Fuji|a scientist]] performed horrific gene-splicing experiments that made it vicious and extremely powerful. It eventually broke free of the Mansion, destroying it in the process, and fled. It can be encountered in [[Cerulean Cave]], accessible only after a Trainer has proven his or her skill at the [[Indigo Plateau]].

==In the anime==
[[File:Mewtwo M01.png|thumb|220px|left|Mewtwo in the anime]]
[[File:Mega Mewtwo X anime.png|thumb|220px|right|Mega Mewtwo X in the anime]]
[[File:Mega Mewtwo Y anime.png|thumb|220px|right|Mega Mewtwo Y in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Mewtwo (original series)]]====
While Mewtwo has been the Pokémon of focus of a {{pkmn|movie}} and a special, it also made brief appearances in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]'' and ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' in its body armor. The first instance was when {{an|Giovanni}} used it to battle [[Gary's Arcanine]] and {{p|Nidoking}}. The second time was when Mewtwo totaled Giovanni's headquarters and flew off. While a scene involving Mewtwo and Giovanni did appear in ''[[EP064|It's Mr. Mime Time]]'', it wasn't in the movie. Mewtwo made further appearances during the openings of ''[[M06|Jirachi Wish Maker]]'' standing on a rooftop wearing a cape, and in the intro of ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' and ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', chasing a {{p|Mew}}.

====[[Mewtwo (Best Wishes series)]]====
Another Mewtwo and the [[Mega Evolution]] Mega Mewtwo Y debuted in the special episode ''[[SS026|Mewtwo — Prologue to Awakening]]'', a prologue to ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]''. In the special, Mewtwo escaped from [[Mewtwo's creators|its creators]] and fought against a [[Pokémon poacher|Pokémon hunter]] named [[Dirk]], while [[Virgil]] helped protect it.

It reappeared in ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]'' as both its normal form and Mega Mewtwo Y. At the beginning of the film, Mewtwo encountered the [[Genesect Army]], who were looking for their home after being recreated. After a short conflict, the Army departed, and Mewtwo followed them to [[New Tork City]]. It met {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}}, then got into a great conflict with the Red Genesect leading the Army.

====Other====
A {{pkmn2|mirage}} Mewtwo appears in ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]'' and is the most powerful Pokémon controlled by the [[Dr. Yung|Mirage Master]].

Both Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Mewtwo Y appeared in the credits of ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Two Mewtwo appeared in the introduction to ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution Special I]]'', one as Mega Mewtwo X and one as Mega Mewtwo Y.
A picture resembling Mewtwo appeared on the lighthouse door in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]].''

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP063|Mewtwo|Gary's Pokédex|Pokémon unknown. No available data.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Red Mewtwo PO.png|thumb|left|250px|Mewtwo in Pokémon Origins]]
{{spoilers}}

====Red's Mewtwo====
Mewtwo appears as the ultimate adversary of {{OBP|Red|Origins}} in [[Pokémon Origins]] in ''[[PO04|File 4 - Charizard]]''. As in the games, it is encountered in [[Cerulean Cave]] after defeating {{OBP|Blue|Origins}}. In a hard battle that wiped out almost all of Red's Pokémon, Mewtwo is defeated by {{p|Charizard}} after it Mega Evolves into Mega Charizard X. With Mewtwo captured after several tries, Red then had all 150 known Pokémon.
{{left clear}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Mewtwo Adventures.png|thumb|250px|Mewtwo in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the movie adaptations===
{{main|Mewtwo (original series)}}
{{main|Mewtwo (Best Wishes series)}}
Two different Mewtwo appear in the {{ma|Mewtwo Strikes Back!|manga}} {{ma|Genesect and the Legend Awakened|adaptations}} of the [[M01|first]] and [[M16|sixteenth]] [[Pokémon movie]]s.

===In the Magical Pokémon Journey manga===
During the {{Vol|Magical Pokémon Journey|10|final volume}} of [[Magical Pokémon Journey]], [[Hazel]] goes to a forest in another dimension to find Mew so it can grant her a wish, but is trapped by Mewtwo.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Mewtwo (Adventures)}}
Mewtwo has a similar origin and personality to the Mewtwo that appeared in the anime. It was created by Team Rocket scientist [[Blaine]] in ''[[PS016|Tauros the Tyrant]]'', who added his own human DNA to Mewtwo to finish its creation when Mew's cells weren't enough. It was fully completed by the time of ''[[PS034|And Mewtwo Too?!]]''. Together, {{adv|Red}} and Blaine battled with Mewtwo, which eventually ended in its capture via [[Master Ball]] in ''[[PS035|And Mewtwo... Three!]]''. It appeared again in the {{chap|X & Y}}, where it was sitting in a cave in [[Pokémon Village]].

===In the Pokémon Gotta Catch 'Em All! manga===
[[Shu's father]] has a Mewtwo.

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
Mewtwo made its first appearance in the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga and debuted in ''[[PM002|Big Battle In The Viridian Forest!!]]''

{{main|Blue's Mewtwo}}
Mewtwo is a Pokémon created by {{OBP|Giovanni|Pocket Monsters}} in ''[[PM025|Bring Down the Strongest Pokémon!!]]''. It was caught by {{OBP|Blue|Pocket Monsters}} prior to ''[[PM054|The Pokémon Banana League (Part 1)]]''. Mewtwo becomes a "gag Pokémon" when its DNA becomes mixed with {{TP|Red|Clefairy}}'s.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Mewtwo (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Mewtwo figure has been released.
* {{TFG|Groundbreakers}}: {{TFG ID|Groundbreakers|Mewtwo|22}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros.]]===
{{main|Mewtwo (Super Smash Bros.)}}

===[[Pokkén Tournament]]===
[[File:Pokkén Mewtwo.png|thumb|200px|Mewtwo in [[Pokkén Tournament]]]] Mewtwo is a playable character. Additionally, Shadow Mewtwo is introduced as the story boss and is also a separate playable character.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}: [[Pokémon Stadium (English)#Vs. Mewtwo|Mewtwo]] is the player's final opponent.
* [[Pokémon Stadium 2]]: {{ga|Silver}} uses a Mewtwo in the final battle.
* {{g|Pinball}}: Mewtwo appears in its own bonus stage, where the player must attempt to hit Mewtwo within the two-minute time limit.
* [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]: Mewtwo is the final boss of the game, battled once under the control of the evil [[Edward]] "The Thinker", and [[Purple Eyes]]. It is also seen charging up in [[Kasa]]'s laboratory in the [[Sky Fortress]].
* [[Pokémon Puzzle League]]: Mewtwo reveals that it organized the Puzzle League to find a worthy foe and clones {{Ash}}'s Pokémon. In the Very Hard and Super Hard modes, Mewtwo is the final opponent.

===Pokédex entries===
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Yellow|entry=Its DNA is almost the same as Mew's. However, its size and disposition are vastly different.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium|t=FFF|color=000|entry=A vicious {{t|psychic}} Pokémon created by genetic engineering. Its cold, glowing eyes strike fear into its enemy.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=It usually remains motionless to conserve energy, so that it may unleash its full power in battle.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=Said to rest quietly in an undiscovered cave, this Pokémon was created solely for battling.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=A Pokémon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans made its body, they failed to give it a warm heart.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=A Pokémon whose genetic code was repeatedly recombined for research. It turned vicious as a result.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene-splicing and DNA-engineering experiments.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=A Pokémon created by recombining Mew's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart among Pokémon.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=It usually remains motionless to conserve energy, so that it may unleash its full power in battle.}}
|}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
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{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=A Pokémon created by recombining Mew's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart among Pokémon.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene-splicing and DNA-engineering experiments.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=A Pokémon created by recombining Mew's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart among Pokémon.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|t2=FFF|entry=Mewtwo is a Pokémon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this Pokémon's body, they failed to endow Mewtwo with a compassionate heart.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
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====In side games====
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{{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=Random Agent Cards, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=MD Time|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Wonder Mail]] code}}
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{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Origin Hideaway#Super Gene Laboratorium|Origin Hideaway: Super Gene Laboratorium]] (Special Boss)}}

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{{Availability/Footer}}

Mewtwo is only obtainable in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time]] after downloading a special [[Wonder Mail]] from the Nintendo WFC. Unlike other Wonder Mails, the one to unlock Mewtwo does not come with a password.

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|Language/Region|type=psychic}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Mewtwo|English|United States|70[[File:ShinyIIStars.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|September 27 to October 3, 2002; February 14 to 20, 2003|link=List of Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Shiny Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Pokémon Smash! Mewtwo|Japanese|Japan Wi-Fi|70|September 26 to October 31, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Pokémon Smash! Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|February 2012 Mewtwo|English|Wi-Fi|70|February 12 to 26, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#February 2012 Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Strongest Return Mewtwo|Korean|South Korea|70|March 3, 2012|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Strongest Return Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Strongest Return Mewtwo|Korean|Wi-Fi|70|March 15 to May 10, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Strongest Return Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Spring 2012 Mewtwo|French|Wi-Fi|70|March 26 to May 1, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi French event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Spring 2012 Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Spring 2012 Mewtwo|German|Wi-Fi|70|May 1 to 31, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi German event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Spring 2012 Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Spring 2012 Mewtwo|Italian|Wi-Fi|70|May 1 to 31, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Spring 2012 Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Spring 2012 Mewtwo|Spanish|Wi-Fi|70|May 1 to 31, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Spring 2012 Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Pokémon Hills Mewtwo|Japanese|Japan and Taiwan Indonesia Philippines|100|June 15 to September 1, 2013 November 2, 6, and 9, 2013 November 16 to 17, 2013|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Pokémon Hills Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Pokémon Hills Mewtwo|English|Indonesia Philippines|100|November 2, 6, and 9, 2013 November 16 to 17, 2013|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Pokémon Hills Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Pokémon Scrap Mewtwo|Japanese region|Online|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|April 28 to August 31, 2016|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|2016 Korean World Championship Series Mewtwo|All|South Korea|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|May 5 to 8, 2016|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#2016 Korean World Championship Series Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Nintendo Hong Kong Mewtwo|Japanese region|Online|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|June 9 to July 24, 2016|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Nintendo Hong Kong Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Nintendo Hong Kong Mewtwo|PAL region|Online|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|June 9 to July 24, 2016|link=List of PAL region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Nintendo Hong Kong Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Nintendo Hong Kong Mewtwo|Taiwanese region|Online|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|June 9 to July 24, 2016|link=List of Taiwanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Nintendo Hong Kong Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Play! Pokémon Mewtwo|American region|Online|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|July to August 21, 2016|link=List of American region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Play! Pokémon Mewtwo}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Play! Pokémon Mewtwo|PAL region|Online|100[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|July to August 21, 2016|link=List of PAL region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Play! Pokémon Mewtwo}}
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===Held items===
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|type=psychic
|rby1=BrightPowder|rby1type=In-battle effect item|rby1rar=100
|gsc1=Berserk Gene|gsc1type=In-battle effect item|gsc1rar=50
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||event2=Custap Berry|event2type=Berry|event2rar=100
|event3=Mewtwonite Y|event3type=Mega Stone|event3rar=100
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===Stats===
====Base stats====
=====Mewtwo=====
{{Stats
|type=psychic
|HP=106
|Attack=110
|Defense=90
|SpAtk=154
|SpDef=90
|Special=154
|Speed=130}}

=====Mega Mewtwo X=====
{{Base Stats
|type=Psychic
|type2=Fighting
|HP=106
|Attack=190
|Defense=100
|SpAtk=154
|SpDef=100
|Speed=130}}

=====Mega Mewtwo Y=====
{{Base Stats
|type=Psychic
|HP=106
|Attack=150
|Defense=70
|SpAtk=194
|SpDef=120
|Speed=140}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=4
}}

===Type effectiveness===
=====Mewtwo and Mega Mewtwo Y=====
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Psychic
|Normal=100
|Flying=100
|Fighting=50
|Ground=100
|Rock=100
|Bug=200
|Poison=100
|Ghost=200
|Steel=100
|Fire=100
|Grass=100
|Electric=100
|Psychic=50
|Water=100
|Ice=100
|Dragon=100
|Dark=200
|Fairy=100
|notes=yes
|gen1psychic=yes
|oldghost=0}}

=====Mega Mewtwo X=====
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Fighting
|Normal=100
|Flying=200
|Fighting=50
|Ground=100
|Rock=50
|Bug=100
|Poison=100
|Ghost=200
|Steel=100
|Fire=100
|Grass=100
|Electric=100
|Psychic=100
|Water=100
|Ice=100
|Dragon=100
|Dark=100
|Fairy=200}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|1|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Disable|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|8|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|||Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|120|100|10||'''|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|29|Miracle Eye|Psychic|Status|—|—|40|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|36|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|43|Power Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|43|Guard Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|57|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|64|Barrier|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|70|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Special|80|—|20||''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|79|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|86|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|93|Me First|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|100|Psystrike|Psychic|Special|100|100|10||'''|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|1|form=mega}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|1|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM03|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''|Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|||Beautiful|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|||Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5|||Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|||Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM47|Low Sweep|Fighting|Physical|65|100|20||''|Clever|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|85|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||'''|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}|''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM98|Power-Up Punch|Fighting|Physical|40|100|20||''|Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM07|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|1|form=mega}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|2|form=mega}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|75|100|10||''|no|yes|Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20||''|no|yes|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Foul Play|Dark|Physical|95|100|15|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20||''|no|yes|Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magic Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|||no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Thunder Punch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes|Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Wonder Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''|no|yes|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Mewtwo|Psychic|Psychic|2|form=mega}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{tcg psychic color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg psychic color}}"
! Move
! Card
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{m|Hypnosis}}
| [[Mewtwo (Expedition 20)]]
|}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame
|type=psychic
|ndex=150
|pinball=Catch
|Trozei=yes
|rarity=Rare
|Dungeon=yes
|body=1
|rate=99.9
|area=Cryptic Cave
|P1=I long to demonstrate my power to the world!
|P2=What gives? Why is my HP down by half?
|P3=I feel faint... This shouldn't be happening to me...
|PL=Fine! Leveled up! Witness my newfound power!
|Partner=no
|Ranger=no
|Dungeon2=yes
|body2=1
|rate2=-22
|iq=C
|Ranger3=yes
|group3=Psychic
|assist3=Normal
|field3=Psy Power
|field3power=1
|browser3=It attacks by letting loose psychic orbs and launching powerful beams.
|rumble=yes
|rumbleattack=5
|rumbledefense=4
|rumblespeed=5
|rumble2=yes
|rumble2attack=5
|rumble2defense=4
|rumble2speed=5
|Conquest=yes
|ConquestAtk=5
|ConquestSpd=5
|ConquestDef=4
|ConquestHP=5
|ConquestRange=4
|ConquestMove={{m|Psystrike}}
|ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Life Force}}
|ConquestAbility2=
|ConquestAbility3=
|ConquestEvo=Does not evolve into or from anything
|ConquestLink='''[[Kenshin]]'''
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Psychic
|pictype=art
|no1=150
|name1=Mewtwo
|type1-1=Psychic
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Psychic}}
{{Spritebox/1|ndex=150}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=150}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=150}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=150}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=150}}
{{Spritebox/6/3Forms|ndex=150|form1=MX|form2=MY}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|150|Mewtwo}}

==Trivia==
* One of the [[Pokémon Mansion journals]] states that Mewtwo's birthday is February 6.
** The same journal implies that Mew was impregnated with the modified clone, as in real life cloning. All other depictions show Mewtwo being grown using laboratory equipment.
* Mewtwo comes before {{p|Mew}} in the [[Pokédex]] despite being created from its modified DNA.
* Mewtwo was the first Pokémon seen in the English dub, as it appears at the very beginning of the [[Pokémon Theme|first dub opening]].
* Mewtwo is tied with Mew for the most anime opening appearances of any Legendary Pokémon, with seven in Japan.
* Mewtwo is depicted on the door of [[Bill]]'s lighthouse in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'' despite having only been seen by [[Team Rocket scientists|its creators]] and [[Team Rocket]] at that point in the anime. Similarly, Mewtwo's sprite was depicted as a portrait in Viridian Gym, despite being a public area.
* The island country of {{wp|Niue}} released a one-dollar coin featuring Mewtwo as part of a commemorative promotion for the Pokémon franchise, with Mewtwo on the reverse side and the nation's crest on the obverse.
* Mewtwo was originally depicted as the only member of its species, being a clone of Mew. In the {{pkmn|anime}} and {{pkmn|manga}}, however, it is implied that multiple Mewtwo have been created.
* Mega Mewtwo Y was the first [[Mega Evolution]] revealed to the public and the first to appear in the anime, even before Mega Evolution was announced.
** Prior to the announcement of Mega Evolution, Mega Mewtwo Y was referred to as its 「覚醒した姿」 ''Awakened Form''.<ref>[http://wayback.archive.org/web/20130618180918/http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/2013/06/130615_m02.html?a001=news ポケモン映画最新作『神速のゲノセクトミュウツー覚醒』へと続くオリジナルストーリーが、テレビで放送決定！]</ref> This term was also used in the {{ma|Genesect and the Legend Awakened|manga adaptation of the movie}}.
* Mewtwo's Mega Evolutions are tied with {{me|Rayquaza}} for the highest base stat total of all Pokémon, with 780.
** Mega Mewtwo X has the highest base {{stat|Attack}} of all Pokémon, as well as the highest single base stat and base {{stat|Special Attack}} of all {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon.
*** Mega Mewtwo X's Attack increase is the largest single stat increase of all Mega Evolutions, at 80 points.
** Mega Mewtwo Y has the highest base Special Attack of all Pokémon and the highest single base stat of all Psychic-type Pokémon.
* Mewtwo and {{p|Charizard}} are currently the only Pokémon with two Mega Evolutions.
* Mega Mewtwo X is tied with {{p|Hariyama}} for the tallest Fighting-type Pokémon.
* Despite having been seen using the move through several iterations of media, including [[M01|the first movie]] and [[Super Smash Bros.]], Mewtwo never learns [[Shadow Ball]] on its own and can only learn it via [[TM30|TM]].

===Origin===
Like {{p|Mew}}, Mewtwo has some {{wp|feline}} characteristics, but its body structure is much larger as a result of {{wp|gene splicing}}. Mewtwo also has some characteristics of a {{wp|grey alien}}.

====Name origin====
Mewtwo is a combination of ''{{p|Mew}}'' (the Pokémon it originated from) and ''two'' (indicating that it is a clone). It also sounds somewhat similar to ''{{wp|mutant}}'' (ミュータント).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=psychic|type2=psychic
|ja=ミュウツー ''Mewtwo''|jameaning=From ''{{p|Mew}}'' and ''two''
|fr=Mewtwo|frmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|es=Mewtwo|esmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|de=Mewtu|demeaning=Similar to English/Japanese name
|it=Mewtwo|itmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|ko=뮤츠 ''Mewtwo''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|bg=Мюту ''Myutu''|bgmeaning=Transcription of English/Japanese name
|zh_yue=超夢夢 ''Chīumuhngmuhng''|zh_yuemeaning=Can either mean "Ultimate dream" or "To transcend dreams". Alternatively, it can be taken as "Super {{p|Mew}}".
|zh_cmn=超夢 / 超梦 ''Chāomèng''|zh_cmnmeaning=Can either mean "Ultimate dream" or "To transcend dreams".
|ru=Мьюту ''M'yutu''|rumeaning=Transcription of English/Japanese name
|hi=मिउटू ''Mewtwo''|himeaning=Transliteration of English/Japanese name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Mewtwo (original series)]]
* [[Mewtwo (Adventures)]]
* [[Mewtwo (Best Wishes series)]]
* [[Mewtwo (Super Smash Bros.)]]
* [[Blue's Mewtwo]]

==External links==
* [[wp:Mewtwo|Article on Wikipedia]]

==Notes==
<references/>

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{{Smash Bros.}}
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{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Kanto legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are included in the Japan-only Pokémon Stadium]]
[[Category:Artificial Pokémon]]

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Talk:Battle Park (Johto)

2016-07-04T07:40:54Z

Mcheetah: /* Question */ new section

== Question ==

I'm not sure the information on here is correct. How could there be a precursor to the Battle Frontier in a generation 2 setting like Johto? Was the in-game Battle Frontier from Emerald based on this episode? Or is it merely coincidental? Which would mean the info listed isn't 100% correct.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]])

Talk:Hallowed Tower

2016-07-02T03:50:51Z

Mcheetah: /* Getting Spiritomb post-generation IV */

==Spiritomb==
Does Spiritomb only appear once? If not, when does it reappear? Either way, I think this should be added. I don't know enough people with the game to do the underground thingy, so I don't know. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 21:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It appears every time you have seen 32 people in the underground since you put it in. If you saw 32 people after putting one in, you will have to put another one in and see another 32 people to get another Spiritomb. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]] 21:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
==Help==
Does Spiritomb appear after going underground, talking to the vendors there, and coming back up and doing it again 32 times, or am I missing something? [[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 16:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Put the Keystone in the Tower then go Underground and talk to 32 REAL people. Not the vendors, I mean other players. Don't worry, you can just talk to the same person 32 times (but you'll have to come back up and then go back Underground each time).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

Doesn't the tower look more like a well in the games?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki>

LOL yes {{unsigned|Jimmyduckett}}

==By 32 people==
I assume that means other players and not NPCs? Also, does it have to be 32 different people?--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 01:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, other players. And no, it doesn't have to be other people. You just have to go into a secret base or overground and, in essence, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Hallowed_Tower?action=purge purging] the cache of the game. I guess this might need to be more clear in the article, otherwise you'd have read it and known yourself, hence preventing a forummy comment here. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Answer to your problems ==

Ok, Many people are confused by the Speak to 32 People clause around Spiritomb.

The quickest method to do this is to have 1 friend in the underground, greet them, go inside your Secret Base, leave Secret Base, greet again, do this 32 times and it counts as greeting 32 People. :) Also it is rumors if you greet 50 people in the US version a Level 50 r Level 100 Shaymin appears, though this is a glitch I do not recommend you try it (TRY IT!) {{unsigned|Jimmyduckett}}

:First of all, this would be more appropriate for the forums. We aren't a strategy wiki. Secondly, remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Getting Spiritomb post-generation IV ==

For starters, I don't get why the info to get Spiritomb is listed here and not on the Spiritomb main page, as you would already have to KNOW it's here first before anything else. If you have never played the gen IV games or know very little about them, this info is rendered moot. So it's kind of backwards to place the info here, and have no information at all on the main page on where to find Spiritomb at (just vague links).

But my main question is, since it's been years since Nintendo has had an open internet connection for the gen IV games and they are no longer available (as is the Dream World in gen V), does this mean you can no longer get a Spiritomb in gen IV? What would happen if you tried to use two DS's with a copy of Diamond or Pearl and the other, a copy of Platinum and you both went underground?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 03:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Hallowed Tower

2016-07-02T03:50:06Z

Mcheetah: /* Getting Spiritomb post-generation IV */ new section

==Spiritomb==
Does Spiritomb only appear once? If not, when does it reappear? Either way, I think this should be added. I don't know enough people with the game to do the underground thingy, so I don't know. [[User:Blink|Blink]] 21:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It appears every time you have seen 32 people in the underground since you put it in. If you saw 32 people after putting one in, you will have to put another one in and see another 32 people to get another Spiritomb. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]] 21:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
==Help==
Does Spiritomb appear after going underground, talking to the vendors there, and coming back up and doing it again 32 times, or am I missing something? [[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 16:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Put the Keystone in the Tower then go Underground and talk to 32 REAL people. Not the vendors, I mean other players. Don't worry, you can just talk to the same person 32 times (but you'll have to come back up and then go back Underground each time).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

Doesn't the tower look more like a well in the games?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki>

LOL yes {{unsigned|Jimmyduckett}}

==By 32 people==
I assume that means other players and not NPCs? Also, does it have to be 32 different people?--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 01:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, other players. And no, it doesn't have to be other people. You just have to go into a secret base or overground and, in essence, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Hallowed_Tower?action=purge purging] the cache of the game. I guess this might need to be more clear in the article, otherwise you'd have read it and known yourself, hence preventing a forummy comment here. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Answer to your problems ==

Ok, Many people are confused by the Speak to 32 People clause around Spiritomb.

The quickest method to do this is to have 1 friend in the underground, greet them, go inside your Secret Base, leave Secret Base, greet again, do this 32 times and it counts as greeting 32 People. :) Also it is rumors if you greet 50 people in the US version a Level 50 r Level 100 Shaymin appears, though this is a glitch I do not recommend you try it (TRY IT!) {{unsigned|Jimmyduckett}}

:First of all, this would be more appropriate for the forums. We aren't a strategy wiki. Secondly, remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Getting Spiritomb post-generation IV ==

For starters, I don't get why the info to get Spiritomb is listed here and not on the Spiritomb main page, as you would already have to KNOW it's here first before anything else. If you have never played the gen IV games or know very little about them, this info is rendered moot. So it's kind of backwards to place the info here, and have no information at all on the main page on where to find Spiritomb at (just vague links).

But my main question is, since it's been years since Nintendo has had an open WiFi connection to the gen IV games and they are no longer open, does this mean you can no longer get a Spiritomb in gen IV? What would happen if you tried to use two DS's with a copy of Diamond or Pearl and the other, a copy of Platinum and you both went underground?

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 03:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Mewtwo (Pokémon)

2016-07-02T03:41:45Z

Mcheetah: /* Trivia */

Talk:Sunyshore City

2016-06-25T13:39:17Z

Mcheetah: /* Different Staryu level ranges in Platinum version than Diamond/Pearl */ new section

Would it be worth mentioning that the layout of the city is very similar to Olivine with exits to north and left and two houses in the northeastern, gym in the northwestern and a lighthouse in the southeastern corner? -- [[User:Hohoo|Hohoo]] 17:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:You could probably put that in the trivia section if you want. The layout is extremely similar.--[[User:Heyyopat|Heyyopat]] 17:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

==City image==
What is the origin of the "sprite" image of the city? With the perspective-based graphics of Gen IV I didn't think it was possible to get screenshots like this? [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 16:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would guess from a game guide or soemthing. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:: [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=39087] '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I see then. You change the camera to 2D then take the images and put them together. Clever. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Other generation images: ==

Why is that there in the location infobox?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 13:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:Because it is integrated into the infobox template apparently. Someone needs to make that an optional parameter. The only places when Generation differences are Kanto and Johto. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fishing encounter tables ==

Staryu does appear in the encounter table for Platinum with Super Rod. It should be 60% Gyarados, 35% Octillery, 5% Staryu (0:Gyarados 1:Octillery 2:Staryu 3:Octillery 4:Octillery). -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 12:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:Corrected. [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 11:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

== Different Staryu level ranges in Platinum version than Diamond/Pearl ==

Staryu ranges from level 20 to 50 with the Super Rod in Sunyshore City in Platinum version, thus deserves its own Platinum slot, with the difference in level ranges. This has yet still not been fixed. It should look just like the Staryu encounter rates in Canalave City:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Canalave_City

Please correct this mistake. Thank you. [[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 13:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Staryu (Pokémon)

2016-06-25T13:35:18Z

Mcheetah:

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'''Staryu''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヒトデマン''' ''Hitodeman'') is a {{type|Water}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Starmie}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Water Stone}}.

==Biology==
Staryu is a golden-brown sea star-like Pokémon with five appendages. These appendages surround an exterior organ called the core, which is held in place by a golden ring looped around Staryu's left "leg". If any of Staryu's appendages are lost, it can grow them back with ease provided the core is still intact. The core resembles a red jewel and is similar to a {{wp|madreporite}}.

When the sun goes down, the core glows its brightest. Many will float from the seafloor to the surface and align themselves with stars of the night sky as their core flickers, displaying a connection with the celestial bodies of space. The [[EP091|anime has shown]] that if Staryu becomes weak, its core will grow faint and flash slowly. Staryu can be found at the very bottom of the ocean on the {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Sea Pokémon|seafloors}} or in the dark, calm waters of [[cave]]s. There are times, however, when Staryu finds itself in rivers that lead into the ocean as seen in [[Pokémon Snap]].

==In the anime==
[[File:Staryu anime.png|thumb|upright|250px|Staryu in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Misty's Staryu]]====
Staryu is one of {{an|Misty}}'s main battlers throughout the [[original series]], debuting in ''[[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]''.

===Other===
Two Staryu appeared in the Hoopa's Surprise Ring Adventures short ''{{DL|Hoopa's Surprise Ring Adventures|Shooting Star}}''.

===Minor appearances===
A Staryu also appeared in ''[[EP010|Bulbasaur and the Hidden Village]]''. It was one of the Pokémon in [[Melanie]]'s care. It reappeared in a flashback in ''[[EP225|Bulbasaur... the Ambassador!]]''.

A Staryu appeared in ''[[EP015|Battle Aboard the St. Anne]]'', ''[[EP028|Pokémon Fashion Flash]]'', ''[[EP057|The Breeding Center Secret]]'' and ''[[EP216|Dueling Heroes]]''.

Multiple Staryu were among the Pokémon seen at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' and ''[[EP116|The Rivalry Revival]]''.

A Staryu appeared in {{OBP|Marina|EP091}}'s fantasy in ''[[EP091|Bye Bye Psyduck]]''.

Staryu also appeared in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]''.

A Staryu appeared in ''[[EP206|The Joy of Water Pokémon]]'' where it was receiving special treatment in a salt bath tank in the [[Pokémon Center]] near [[Lake Lucid]].

A Staryu was among the Pokémon stolen from the [[Pokémon Center]] of [[Blue Point Isle]] in ''[[EP210|Around the Whirlpool]]''.

A Staryu was used by one of the students of the [[Pokémon Trainer's School]] in ''[[AG015|Gonna Rule The School!]]''.

A Staryu appeared in the opening of ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.

[[Juan]] has several Staryu that appeared in ''[[AG110|The Great Eight Fate!]]''.

A Staryu is used by one of the students of [[Pokémon Summer Academy]] in the second leg of the Pokémon Triathlon in ''[[DP091|One Team, Two Team, Red Team, Blue Team!]]''.

Two Staryu appeared in ''[[BW085|All for the Love of Meloetta!]]''. Another appeared in ''[[BW087|Expedition to Onix Island!]]''.

A Trainer's Staryu appeared is ''[[BW105|Lost at the League!]]''.

Multiple Staryu appeared in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]''.

A Staryu appeared in ''[[XY022|Going for the Gold!]]'' with {{p|Starmie}}'s colorization.

A {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s Staryu appeared in ''[[XY039|Summer of Discovery!]]'' and ''[[XY041|Foggy Pokémon Orienteering!]]'' and in a fantasy in ''[[XY040|Day Three Blockbusters!]]'' and ''[[XY042|Battling Into the Hall of Fame!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP007|Staryu|Ash's Pokédex|Staryu. The core of this {{t|Water}} Pokémon shines in a rainbow of seven colors, a core that is valued by some as a type of jewelry.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Misty Staryu Recover Adventures.png|200px|thumb|Staryu in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Staryu debuts in the {{chap|Red, Green & Blue}} as one of [[Misty]]'s Pokémon, defending her from an enraged {{p|Gyarados}} in ''[[PS006|Gyarados Splashes In!]]'' and from [[Koga]]'s {{p|Rhydon}} in ''[[PS007|Raging Rhydon]]''.

A Staryu is seen in ''[[PS058|The Kindest Tentacruel]]'' where it was one of the Pokémon that Yellow was fantasizing about that was able to evolve via [[Evolutionary stones|stone]].

Staryu appeared in ''''[[PS060|Breath of the Dragonair Part 1]]'' where it was used by a trainer in a surfing contest, before the it was interrupted by Lance controlling the winning prize, a Dragonair.

{{adv|Crystal}} encounters a herd of twelve Staryu during her journey in ''[[PS120|Surrounded by Staryu]]''. The dozen Staryu hound after [[Bill]] in an attempt to play with him, encasing him and his {{p|Farfetch'd}} in a dodecahedral shell not even Crystal's {{p|Cubone}} could penetrate. Crystal was eventually able to capture and calm the Staryu down by breaking them up from the inside, using the new Pokémon Portable Transport System to send her {{p|Natu}} inside. They're later seen playing with Professor Oak in his Laboratory in [[Cherrygrove City]].

A Staryu was one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]] in ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]''

{{-}}

===Pokédex entries===
{{Mangadexheader}}
{{Mangadexbody|Pokémon Adventures|[[PS120]]|As long as the sparkling core in the middle of its body is not destroyed, Staryu can reform, even after it has been cut into a thousand pieces.{{tt|*|Chuang Yi's translation}}}}
{{Mangadexfooter}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Staryu (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[File:Staryu SSBB.png|200px|thumb|Staryu in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
[[File:Staryu SSB4.png|200px|thumb|Staryu in [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U|Super Smash Bros. for 3DS]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]/[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U|3DS/Wii U]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Staryu will target one of the opponents, spin towards them and shoot {{m|Swift}}. It is rapid-fire, but it can easily be escaped from by Directional Influence; the player can still move around while getting hit by Swift.

====Melee trophy information====
''These starshape Pokémon that evolve into Starmie are found in large numbers at the seashore. At night, Staryu's red center glows and blinks on and off. It's said that as long as its red center remains, it can regrow its limbs. Whether it's related to {{p|Cleffa}}, another Pokémon with a vaguely star-shaped appearance, is unknown.''

====Brawl trophy information====
''"A Star Shape Pokémon. It gathers in groups and flashes the red jewel in the center of its body in time to the twinkling of the stars in the night sky. If it loses appendages, it can regenerate them right away. It can also use {{m|Camouflage}}, which allows it to change its type to match the surrounding terrain. If a Water Stone is used on it, evolves into Starmie."''
====3DS/Wii U Trophy information====
'''NA''': ''This Water-type Pokémon, Staryu, greatly resembles a star. Exposing one to a Water Stone causes it to evolve into Starmie. Another star-shaped Pokémon, Cleffa, exists, but the two don't look all that similar. In Smash Bros., Staryu will attack foes with Swift. Anyone hit will be seeing stars! ''

'''PAL''': ''This Water-type Pokémon evolves into Starmie when you use a Water Stone. Its star shape makes it rather cute, but that doesn't mean Staryu's not a threat. Its Swift attack will pummel fighters with a flurry of stars. If you notice Staryu's aiming at you, quickly move up or down to get out of the line of fire. ''

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{g|Pinball}}: A Staryu appears on the Red Table; however, it is merely decoration.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=water}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=I}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Red|v2=Blue|t2=FFF|entry=An enigmatic Pokémon that can effortlessly regenerate any appendage it loses in battle.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Yellow|entry=As long as the center section is unharmed, it can grow back fully even if it is chopped to bits.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium|t=FFF|color=000|entry=It is capable of growing back any portion of its body that is cut off. At night, the center core glows with a red light.}}
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=At night, the center of its body slowly flickers with the same rhythm as a human heartbeat.}}
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ruby|t=FFF|entry=Staryu's center section has an organ called the core that shines bright red. If you go to a beach toward the end of summer, the glowing cores of these Pokémon look like the stars in the sky.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=Staryu apparently communicates with the stars in the night sky by flashing the red core at the center of its body. If parts of its body are torn, this Pokémon simply regenerates the missing pieces and limbs.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=It gathers with others in the night and makes its red core glow on and off with the twinkling stars. It can regenerate limbs if they are severed from its body.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=It appears in large numbers by seashores. At night, its central core flashes with a red light.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=An enigmatic Pokémon that can effortlessly regenerate any appendage it loses in battle.}}
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{{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=If its body is torn, it can grow back if the red core remains. The core flashes at midnight.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=At night, the center of its body slowly flickers with the same rhythm as a human heartbeat.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=Even if its body is torn, it can regenerate as long as the glowing central core remains intact.}}
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=Staryu apparently communicates with the stars in the night sky by flashing the red core at the center of its body. If parts of its body are torn, this Pokémon simply regenerates the missing pieces and limbs.}}
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{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Dewdrop Bay#Quiet Inlet|Dewdrop Bay: Quiet Inlet]] (All Areas), [[Pearl Marsh#Moonlit Island|Pearl Marsh: Moonlit Island]] (All Areas)}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=water}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Twister Staryu|English|United States|5|November 8 to 14, 2002; December 27, 2002 to January 2, 2003|link=List of Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Twister Staryu}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RS}}|Evolution Stone Promotion Staryu|English|United States|50|August 30 to September 1, 2003|link=List of PCNY event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Staryu}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Pokémon Trade and Battle Day Staryu|English|United States|18|September 25, 2004|link=List of Trade and Battle Day event Pokémon distributions#Staryu}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=Water|
|rby1=TM33|rby1type=TM|rby1TMtype=Ice|rby1TMmove=Ice Punch|rby1rar=100|
|gsc1=Stardust|gsc1type=Valuable item|gsc1rar=25|
|gsc2=Star Piece|gsc2type=Valuable item|gsc2rar=8|
|rse1=Stardust|rse1type=Valuable item|rse1rar=50|
|rse2=Star Piece|rse2type=Valuable item|rse2rar=5|
|lg1=Stardust|lg1type=Valuable item|lg1rar=50|
|lg2=Star Piece|lg2type=Valuable item|lg2rar=5|
|dppt1=Stardust|dppt1type=Valuable item|dppt1rar=50|
|dppt2=Star Piece|dppt2type=Valuable item|dppt2rar=5|
|hgss1=Stardust|hgss1type=Valuable item|hgss1rar=50|
|hgss2=Star Piece|hgss2type=Valuable item|hgss2rar=5|
|bw1=Stardust|bw1type=Valuable item|bw1rar=50|
|bw2=Star Piece|bw2type=Valuable item|bw2rar=5|
|b2w21=Stardust|b2w21type=Valuable item|b2w21rar=50|
|b2w22=Star Piece|b2w22type=Valuable item|b2w22rar=5|
|x1=Stardust|x1type=Valuable item|x1rar=50|
|x2=Star Piece|x2type=Valuable item|x2rar=5|
|oras1=Stardust|oras1type=Valuable item|oras1rar=50|
|oras2=Star Piece|oras2type=Valuable item|oras2rar=5|
|walk1=Water Stone|walk1type=Evolutionary stone|walk1rar={{pw|Beyond the Sea}} only, 100
|event1=Water Stone|event1type=Evolutionary stone|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 30 |
Attack= 45 |
Defense=55 |
SpAtk= 70 |
SpDef= 55 |
Special=70 |
Speed= 85 |
type=Water }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=1
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=water|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |
Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy=100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Staryu|Water|Water|1|XY|ORAS|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|1|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|1|1|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|6|4|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25||'''|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|10|7|Rapid Spin|Normal|Physical|20|100|40|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|12|10|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|N/A|13|Psywave|Psychic|Special|—|100|15|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|18|16|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|||Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|22|18|Bubble Beam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''|Beautiful|2|3}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|15|22|Camouflage|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|30|24|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|36|28|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10||'''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|25|31|Minimize|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|40|35|Reflect Type|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|43|37|Power Gem|Rock|Special|80|100|20|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|N/A|40|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|||Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|N/A|42|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|33|46|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|48|49|Cosmic Power|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|52|53|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Staryu|Water|Water|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Staryu|Water|Water|1|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|||Beautiful|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5|||Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM99|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Special|80|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM07|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Staryu|Water|Water|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Staryu|Water|Water|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Staryu|Water|Water|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Staryu|Water|Water|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Staryu|Water|Water|2}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{tcg water color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg water color}}"
! Move
! Card
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{m|Confuse Ray}}
| [[Staryu (Skyridge 104)]]
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{m|DoubleSlap}}
| [[Staryu (Skyridge 103)]]
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{m|Pound}}
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[Staryu (Neo Revelation 56)]] [[Staryu (EX Delta Species 84)]] [[Staryu (EX Hidden Legends 75)]]
|}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=water |
ndex=120 |
pinball=Catch |
pinballrs=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=8.9 |
area=Bountiful Sea |
P1=When I glow red, it means I'm in tip-top condition! |
P2=My health is down to half. |
P3=I'm ready to give up. Please help me! |
PL=Ah, my level's gone up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Water |
assist=Water |
fieldpower=1 |
field=Flash |
loop=5 |
MinEXP=25 |
MaxEXP=39 |
browser=Staryu attacks while spinning its body. Take care not to touch it then. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2 |
iq=C |
rumble=yes |
rumbleattack=2 |
rumbledefense=2 |
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=2 |
rumble2defense=2 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Water |
assist2=Water |
field2=Cut |
field2power=1 |
browser2=It attacks by launching strange orbs and by spinning around. |
Pad2=He thought no Pokémon could exceed his speed. Actually, losing Chase made his life more challenging and fun. |
Park2strong= |
Park2weak= |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-2
|type1=Water
|pictype=art
|no1=120
|name1=Staryu
|type1-1=Water
|evo1={{bag|Water Stone}} {{color2|000|Water Stone}}
|no2=121
|name2=Starmie
|type1-2=Water
|type2-2=Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Water}}
{{Spritebox/1|ndex=120}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=120}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=120}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=120}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=120}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=120}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|120|Staryu}}

==Trivia==
* In {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}, Staryu is the only Pokémon with the [[Field Move]] {{m|Flash}}.
** Once Staryu serves its purpose with Flash, it cannot be captured again, except during the Kyogre mission.
* Staryu is one of fourteen Pokémon that one is able to collect [[foreign Pokédex entries]] for in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
* Staryu shares its {{pkmn|category}} name with {{p|Cleffa}}. They are both known as the Star Shape Pokémon.
* Despite being a genderless Pokémon, Staryu and Starmie were programmed to learn Egg moves in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}; however, due to being genderless, these were unobtainable. This was fixed in {{v2|Crystal}}.
** Also, they are able to learn {{m|Attract}} in [[Generation II]] only, along with {{p|Mew}}.
* Staryu can be seen as a parallel to {{p|Shellder}}. Both of them are {{type|Water}} {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} whose only evolutionary event utilizes a {{evostone|Water Stone}} into their evolved forms, and gain a type upon evolution.
** They also have a chance of holding [[valuable items]], {{DL|Valuable items|Stardust}}/{{DL|Valuable items|Star Piece}} and {{DL|Valuable items|Pearl}}/{{DL|Valuable items|Big Pearl}}, respectively. Staryu is exclusive to {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s|LeafGreen}} and {{pkmn|X and Y|X}}, while Shellder is exclusive to {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s|FireRed}} and {{pkmn|X and Y|Y}}, with both Pokémon found by fishing in the same locations in their respective versions.
* [[PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond]] erroneously refers to Staryu as "he," despite it being a genderless Pokémon.

===Origin===
Staryu's design is based on a {{wp|starfish}}, likely a {{wp|common starfish}}. The large gem attached to its body is held on by a bracket similar to a ring mount.

====Name origin====
Staryu is derived from ''star'' (referring to its shape) and ''yu'' (possible corruption of ''you'', in opposition to the ''mie'' in {{p|Starmie}}). ''Yu'' is also the Chinese word for fish (魚).

Hitodeman is probably derived from an alternate reading of 海星 ''kaisei'' ({{wp|starfish}}), ヒトデ ''hitode'', along with the combination of ''man'' or possibly ''demon''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=water|type2=water
|ja=ヒトデマン ''Hitodeman''|jameaning=From ''hitode'', an alternate reading of {{tt|海星 ''kaisei''|starfish}}
|fr=Stari|frmeaning=From the English words ''star'' and ''I''
|es=Staryu|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Sterndu|demeaning=From {{tt|''Stern''|star}} and {{tt|''du''|you}}
|it=Staryu|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=별가사리 ''Byulgasari''|komeaning=From {{tt|별 ''byeol''|star}} and {{tt|불가사리 ''bulgasari''|starfish}}
|zh_yue=海星星 ''Hóisīngsīng''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|海星|starfish, sea star}} and {{tt|星星|star}}
|zh_cmn=海星星 ''Hǎixīngxīng''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|海星|starfish, sea star}} and {{tt|星星|star}}
|hi= स्टारयू ''Staryu'' |himeaning=Same as English name
}}

 

==Related articles==
* [[Misty's Staryu]]

==External links==
* {{wp|Staryu and Starmie|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
<references />

{{Smash Bros.}}
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Seaking | next=Starmie | type=water | prevnum=119 | nextnum=121 }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon that evolve by evolutionary stone]]
[[Category:Pokémon that evolve using Water Stone]]

[[de:Sterndu]]
[[fr:Stari]]
[[it:Staryu]]
[[ja:ヒトデマン]]
[[pl:Staryu]]
[[zh:海星星]]

Talk:Sinnoh Route 223

2016-06-25T13:32:52Z

Mcheetah: /* Staryu */

==Junction, maybe??==

Shouldn't Victory Road be considered a junction of Route 223, in between the Pokémon League and the rest of Route 223?? Or, should it be considered one of the terminals of Route 223?? Victory Road isn't even mentioned on this page, nor on the Pokémon League's page. I think it's rather important, considering how large of an obstacle it is to overcome. It's the final challenge in the way of getting to the Elite Four. It's long and tedious, and there's even a Pokémon Center at the entrance (that in my gameplay I have returned to often). What does everyone else think?? [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

Agreed, I edited the page to say it connects to Victory Road and the Pokemon League, rather than editing the junction itself though as Victory Road is considered part of the Pokemon League. If anyone else wants to add that in they can but I thought it looked too cluttered to have both in the junction. --[[User:Heyyopat|Heyyopat]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:It doesn't connect to Victory Road. You have to go through the south part of the League area. By that logic you'd say Route 9 connects to Rock Tunnel... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

In the beginning it seems to a player that route 223 connects to the victory road because when they reach the top of that waterfall, they don't realize that it is the southern part of the Pokemon League mountain area which happens to have the cave entrance to Victory Road. The same happened to me. Even the Victory Road page info box shows only that part. Only after seeing the Pokemon League info box image did I understand that.

--[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 10:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

==Dive Ball==
Is the Dive Ball only available in Platinum? Because I took a long look around in Diamond and didn't find anything, and even looked at some walkthroughs and no Diamond walkthrough mentions a Dive Ball. They do, however, mention a Pearl (the item). --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 17:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

==Staryu==
I Am A Player of Platinum and I have just landed a staryu (lvl 33) using the Super Rod at the edge of the beach at Sunyshore, not sure if this counts as a catch at route 223 or Sunyshore though, I thought I would bring it to attention (I haven't checked sunyshore's page yet but i will), thanks and I'll upload a screenshot of the summary page saying where it is caught ASAP--[[User:Titan|Titan]] 21:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
: No Matter it's a Sunyshore capture --[[User:Titan|Titan]] 21:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Not only there is no Staryu on route 223, but the current % for Fishing with Super Rod in Platinum go far over 100%. According to the encounter slots, it's the same as [[Sinnoh Route 230|route 230]] : 60% Gyarados 30% Wailmer 5% Octillery 5% Wailord. (0:Gyarados 1:Wailmer 2:Octillery 3:Wailord 4:Wailord). The confusion must come from the proximity of [[Sunyshore|Sunyshore City]], which has Staryu. -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 12:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:Corrected both Route 223 to remove the Staryu and Sunyshore to put it back there. -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 12:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I just checked and it still says Staryu can be caught on Route 223 on the Staryu page, instead of Sunyshore City. This confused me, as I was on Route 223 for a while due to this misinformation. I came here to write just what This person above wrote over SIX years ago! Can someone please fix Staryu's Platinum locations on that page? Thank you. -- [[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]]

Talk:Spiritomb (Pokémon)

2016-05-14T21:10:02Z

Mcheetah: /* How to get Spiritomb in Generation IV? */ new section

== Level in the wild ==

What level does this pokémon appear in the wild at? I seen to be unable to find this information anywhere. (Of course, I might have just not looked hard enough...) --[[User:Tatrion|Tatrion]

It appears at the Hallowed Tower after talking to 32 people underground at level 25 (See entry for Hallowed Tower.) [[User:Yugiohguy1|Yugiohguy1]] 16:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

==Two things Spiritomb and Sableye have in common==
Having weaknesses to no type is one of the things Spiritomb and Sableye have in common. Another thing Spiritomb and Sableye have in common is that they are both Dual Dark and Ghost types.
[[User:FREAKAZOID|FREAKAZOID]]
:That's the reason for their lack of weaknesses. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::Indeed. FREAKAZOID.
Jeez... People. Spiritomb/Sableye does have a weakness. To fighting, use foresight to hit ghosts with fighting, and hit it. Its supereffective.
:Naturally, it doesn't. After using Miracle Eye and Foresight doesn't count, because they aren't automatic. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

what about Kangaskhan and Miltank's "Scrappy" ability? doesn't that account for anything?

They're the only Pokémon that have no PERMANENT weakness to any type. Abilities like Scrappy and moves like Foresight are only TEMPORARY ways of giving them a weakness; without resorting to those moves/Abilities, they have no weakness. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

==Eggs Moves==
Should we add about that Spiritomb can learn {{m|Shadow Ball}} from breeding??? Since I breed the Spiritomb with my Misdreavus. And It have {{m|Shadow Ball}} and {{m|Pain Split}} as it egg moves. [[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpun]] 13:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It got Shadow Ball because Spiritomb can learn it from a TM, not because it's an Egg Move. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

== Fly? ==

So, I was doing some breeding and I bred my {{p|Drifblim}} and my Spiritomb and when Spiritomb came out of the egg, it had {{m|Fly}} as a move, along with {{m|Shadow Ball}}, {{m|Confuse Ray}}, and {{m|Ominous Wind}}. Even after that, I hatched more Spiritomb eggs and they all had Fly as a move. Drifblim was the father and knew Fly, along with Shadow Ball and Ominous Wind. Spiritomb of course was the mother, with Shadow Ball, Ominous Wind, Silver Wind, and Dark Pulse. Does anyone know why? --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That's odd...I've never seen that before. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::I don't have Wi-fi or that stuff to trade to someone for proof. But one of their detail screens has this information: a Timid Nature, Mischievous characteristic, Fly, Shadow Ball, Confuse Ray, and Ominous Wind, egg received August 30, hatched August 31st, female, hatched at Lv 1 at Solaceon Town. I don't have an Action Replay or Gameshark so I know it wasn't a move modifier. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll try that myself and see what happens. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I have tried it. Oddly enough, it works. Maybe someone should add it. But i think someone else should check, just to be on the safe side. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== Spiritomb/Rotom/Lucario/etc. ==

It varies from person to person, but I know some hardcore Pokémon fans who claim that rare 'semi-Legendaries' like Lucario and Rotom should be given some special classification. Has this ever been a consideration (I'm neutral on the issue itself)? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]]
:Hmmm... i have seen it happen before. Maybe a page called "Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon" would work. I'll ask Turtwig A. He'll know. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::I know nothing about it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::No. They're not even semi-legendary. And it doesn't matter if they're hardcore fans. Some people would consider Charizard, or anybody else that has a good sweep, as a semi-legendary. Lucario definitely isn't, seeing as how common it and Riolu are, Rotom is just rare, and Spiritomb is the same situation as Rotom. No need for a page. That's like saying that Feebas and Milotic are semi-legendary because of how hard they are to find. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== Its possible origin ==

It might base on one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature, Water Margin (traditional Chinese: 水滸傳; simplified Chinese: 水浒传; pinyin: Shuǐhǔ Zhuàn) (also Outlaws of the Marsh, All Men Are Brothers or The Marshes of Mount Liang).
Its opening episode is the release of '''the 108 spirits'''.
For knowing more info, here is for you:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Margin English Language Wikipedia's Info of Water Margin]

[http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/水浒传 Chinese Language Wikipedia's Info of Water Margin]

[http://baike.baidu.com/view/2578.htm Chinese Language Baike's Info of Water Margin]

P/S: I am Chinese, so my English is sucks. If you have any difficult in understanding what I type when viewing this one, I am sorry about it. {{unsigned|06cloud}}

== Sucker Punch? ==

I just noticed this, but how can it use that move when it has no apparent limbs?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 20:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Look at the Japanese name... It has nothing to do with punching. It's just a figure of speech. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== 108 and Legion ==

''"In Pokémon Diamond, Spiritomb's entry states that it was formed from 108 spirits. Incidentally, Spiritomb's number in the Sinnoh Pokédex is 108, its Defense and Special Defense base values are 108, and it weighs exactly 108.0 kilograms."''
This bit of trivia makes it sound like it's all a coincidence, but that's highly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_%28number%29#In_Eastern_religions_.26_traditions unlikely]. Does anyone else think this bit should be changed to reflect the obvious references here?

Also, I'm going to take down the part about the Legion demon being a possible inspiration for Legion, since I really doubt that Nintendo would intentionally make a Pokemon based on a demon, especially considering all the heat they get simply from ''perceived'' [[Pokémon controversy|Satanism]]. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 08:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

:I fail to see your point about the Legion thing. Especially considering how it refers to itself as "We". IMO i don't think that should've been removed. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 08:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

==Odd piece of trivia==
It's always been said that there's no such thing as an evil Pokémon - yet it is stated that Spiritomb was clearly cruel and evil, enough so to be sealed away. Any thoughts? I'd add it to the trivia section but (stating the obvious), it's protected. ^^; [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 15:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

==In other languages==
Between "means" and what the character means, mentally add ", among other things,", as languages like Korean, Chinese and Japanese use the same symbols to mean different things, and it can be hard to tell which meaning was intended.

Korean: 화 means "flower", 강 means "river", and 돌 means "stone"; there is also the word 화강 which means "granite". This suggests that the Korean name for Spiritomb is either "flower river stone" or "granite stone", neither of which really makes sense. Are you sure that 화강돌 is the actual Korean name?

Chinese: 花 means "multicolored" or "flowery", 岩 means "rock", and 怪 means "monster". So the Chinese name for Spiritomb is something along the lines of "multicolored/flowery rock monster", which kinda makes sense.

Japanese (side note): 軽石 just means "light stone", and is used to ''refer'' to pumice; it does not actually ''mean'' "pumice". This could be a reference to the fact that Spiritomb resides in stones, and yet it is itself a ghost (therefore light). 御影石 is used to refer to granite, but the characters mean "honorable shadow stone", which is a fitting description of the Odd Keystone.

'''[[User:The Token Asian Guy|The Token Asian Guy]]''' 00:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Based on Irish mythology? ==

According to the origin section: "Spiritomb could also be based on 'The Elemental,' an indescribable primitive ghost created from countless spirts that derive from Irish Mythology."
I really kind of doubt that Spiritomb could be based on an Irish myth...should it really be included? [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 03:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Why? {{tt|Because it's Irish?|I kid}} I did find something [http://www.hauntedcastlesandhotels.com/Ireland/leap.htm here] and [http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7741 here] though. I think it's just as plausible as the Chinese and Buddhist myths, although they're both Asian myths and much closer to Japan. But, Spiritomb was created in the last few years, instead of a hundred years ago where it definitely wouldn't be based off of the Elemental. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Met at level 62? ==

Recently I was on the GTS and found a spiritomb up for trade. I had what the person wanted, and got it. When I looked at it's summery, it said that it had been caught with a masterball, at level 62, at the pokemon league! It has the same moves as Karen's spiritomb, and is at the same level. Is there a cheat that allows you to catch trainers pokemon? I also got a gardevior caught in the same manner, and and it has the same moves as Will's gardevior. {{unsigned|Fishmonk}}
:Yeah, there is a cheat to capture trainers' Pokémon. Using an Action Replay. Both Spiritomb and Gardevoir are hacked. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 15:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Methods of Obtaining Spiritomb ==

* As of {{2v2|Black|White}}, all methods of obtaining Spiritomb in the main games (discounting {{pkmn|breeding}}) involve connecting with another device (another player's [[Nintendo DS]] or the [[Pokéwalker]]).

Well, first off, B/W can't connect with the Pokewalker. This means that the only way to get it is by connecting with another person's DS - ie, transferring it from a Gen. IV game. That's the only way to obtain a number of Pokemon in Gen. V, so this piece of "trivia" is kind of pointless, don't you think? [[User:King Riolu|King Riolu]] 11:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:'''HeartGold and SoulSilver'''. That's what connects to the Pokewalker. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I read that wrong. Thought it said "in" Black and White rather than "as of" Black and White. [[User:King Riolu|King Riolu]] 11:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== In the anime ==

Why do we have the '''minor appearances''' thing? We probably won't see Spiritomb for a while, especially since it's only has 1 appearance in about 10 years. Should we just take out the '''minor appearances''' part? --[[User:Pringles|'''P'''r]][[User talk:Pringles|'''i'''ngles]] 04:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:It's there because that's how the structure should be like. Regardless if it's empty or not, it stays. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Force Fire}} ([[User talk:Force Fire|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|contribs]]) ''

== Possible more likely origin for Spiritomb ==

I'm not so sure that Spiritomb's 108 spirits are meant to be directly referencing the ringing of a bell 108 times in Buddhist tradition, so much as a reference to the 108 spirits that were sealed away for centuries and then released at the beginning of the old Chinese novel [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Margin Water Margin]. Within the story, the spirits (or demons, depending on translation) were evil and had been sealed away centuries before (presumably because of their evil actions) and were not to be released because they would cause trouble and disaster if they were. This closely parallels both Spiritomb's pokedex entries referencing it being made of spirits being sealed away for "misdeeds" or to prevent it from doing "mischief" and so on, as well as its portrayal in the anime in [[DP056|The Keystone Pops]] where again, Spiritomb was sealed away for misdeeds and caused trouble upon being carelessly released. Admittedly, the 108 spirits in Water Margin probably came from Buddhist tradition in the first place (even though the spirits in the novel were sealed in a Taoist temple...) however Spritiomb seems to clearly be based more directly on the concept of "108 spirits sealed under/in a stone that would cause problems if released" rather than "108 temptations to be banished once a year". Even the species name of "Forbidden" pokemon reflects the forbidden nature of releasing the 108 spirits, with the Taoist priests telling Marshal Hong they don't know any details about the demons, just that it's forbidden to release them. (Or alternatively, the Japanese species name of "Sealed" again reflects the spirits that were sealed away and not to be released.) Since Water Margin is very, very famous both in China and Japan (the entire Suikoden series of games is loosely based on it!) I think this is a more realistic inspiration for Spiritomb than a single Buddhist tradition that doesn't explain other details like the presence of the Odd Keystone and such. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 19:20, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

== Fly ==

I dont know how to add it, but if you breed a male difblim and a female spiritomb the egg pokmon knows fly only if drifblim knows fly this should be addded as an egg movee.[[User:Pokemon nomekop|Pokemon nomekop]] ([[User talk:Pokemon nomekop|talk]]) 00:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:In which game(s) you have done it? I think it can be added when we know in which games it works.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 00:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the bad spelling, wasnt paying attention. Anyway, I did it in generation IV.
[[User:Pokemon nomekop|Pokemon nomekop]] ([[User talk:Pokemon nomekop|talk]]) 00:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:Specifically which game? Just because it works in one Generation IV game doesn't mean that it works in all of them.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 00:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
::It didn't work for me in any game. Maybe it's been fixed in European versions?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

== Spiritomb's gender? ==

I just scrubbed this from the Trivia section:
* ''While it is composed of multiple souls, it is gendered. This could mean that every soul composing a Spiritomb has the same gender.''

This is just speculation. Other ideas about Spiritomb's gendered status could be:
* Majority of souls being one gender
* Dominant soul(s) being one gender
* Souls are genderless and only the physical body (the [[Odd Keystone]]) is gendered

It's never canonically explained if Spiritomb's gender has any meaning about the individual souls contained inside it, so all of the above are just equal fan speculation, not fact. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 18:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

== anime picture ==

the page really needs an anime picture that isn't an animation error(the two swirly eye things) [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 12:19, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
:It's not an error, as there are [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Spiritomb many images] in different media where it has two swirls. It's just like how Hoothoot can be seen with both of its legs.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

== How to get Spiritomb in Generation IV? ==

I know in the past, there have been people who have added the ways to get Spiritomb on its main page, but almost everything the main editors don't approve of gets taken down, regardless of it being helpful or not. Since no one will approve it on this page, can I just ask how to get Spiritomb in gen IV on here? I can't find it and don't see it anywhere else on Bulbapedia and on other pages, they say you have to keep talking to people in the Underground, but I have tried that and it still hasn't worked. I don't have Black and White 2, which are the only other games I could get it from to migrate.