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2009-08-04T17:39:11Z

Martonimos: /* Hey look, a section break! */

I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

[[File:HGSS_Soul.png]]
:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There was a poll, and it is mentioned that there is no official name yet, and this is a fanname. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything about the hat because it was like that in the scan. It went off the page. (Sorry, I'm new to this wiki stuff, so I don't know how to do a lot...)
:How about [http://bayimg.com/image/aapfgaabl.jpg this one], or should we just wait for the official individual art from [[Ken Sugimori]] to be released.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 20:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you click through to the archives from the image's page, you'll notice that it's already been updated to the official art, taken from the HG/SS official site. There's just something up with the way images are being shown on the 'pedia. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

According to the screen revealed in CoroCoro and Famitsu, Soul seems to be the boy's name... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sigh. You know as well as I do that "Leaf" is among the optional names for Red in LeafGreen, too, don't you? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well. I know that it doesn't indicate anything. But I noted it here to show that the assumption that her name will be "Soul" is nothing more than gunjumping. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen versions|one generation]] did.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I knew it! her name was going to be Soul just like I predicted in Kris's Talk Page. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 17:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we don't know for a fact yet AlienX2008. While there is a 99% chance of her name being Soul (which I am starting to think is her name as opposed to Heart which I previously thought), there is no official word yet. Right now Soul is just her fan-name.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 18:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it Heart? I heard that according to those scans that the Pokemon website has,it has the Gold character with the default name "Soul"? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, i hope its Heart. But i'd be ok with Soul. {{unsigned|Golden}}

I personally think this article should be called "Female character (Heart Gold/Soul Silver)" since we don't know her name yet.It's best we avoid misinformation until more is revealed. - seriousexpression
:There would be no point in having an article then. Although I think it is jumping the gun as well, the article does say that it is a fan-made name. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::This article may be jumping the gun slightly, maybe, but truly, I'd rather have done it now just in case some dork comes along and wonders where she is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:::We can always change it later.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 00:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've seen her called Mariko on the Japanese site Pixiv. I haven't heard it anywhere else; is this another fan nickname, or is it official? --[[User:Lime|Lime]] 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Might be one of the default names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the female referred to as like Haato and the male referred to as Souru? [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== New screenshot ==

Can someone translate what she is saying in the new screenshot, please? This may give us some kind of information about her... [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/joodude/1245089067561.jpg

This one? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 20:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. I've tried to translate it, but realized soon enough that translating anything that does not use our alphabet is not for me. I got "Steer!". Please. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 21:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::According to the gallery on {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} it reads ''"Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== About Soul...==

I know this is simply speculation,but Soul looks a lot like that [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/Playergirl.png girl] that replaces Red if you insert a Crystal cart. with Kris into the game,right? Okay,maybe not a lot but still..Leaf is obviously based off that girl playable character that was left out of the first generation,right? Maybe Soul is based off this girl? If so,could we put it in the article? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:A. This comparison is an opinion, and B. No, because it's an opinion it cannot go into the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh,okay,just making sure. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sketch: If that's so, then why is the following paragraph in the article:
:::"Due to her similar hair, it is believed by some fans that she is to Kris what Leaf is to Blue: a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's Special counterpart Crystal likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and Marina), and currently has brown hair again." -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. He put it in. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::If anything, Stadium Boy and Stadium Girl are just that. Stadium people. Because this was before they identified your game as your game through the Trainer's appearance. Plus, since RGBY are playable with Stadium 2, it'd look really odd to see Red face... himself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

==SERIOUS BUSINESS==
I just read one of the scans's captions on the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions]]page. It said:

'''Inside Professor Elm's laboratory. "Oh, Soul! I've been waiting for you to come!"''

Does this mean the name is now set in stone? I don't want to edit it straight away incase this isn't the case. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:New stuff goes at the bottom. Also, look at that picture. Elm is talking to GOLD, not [[Soul|this new girl <s>that no one cares about</s>]]. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Most likely, "Soul" is a default name for Gold, like how "Diamond" and "Pearl" are default names for Lucas. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|Exactly.|Which probably means that was a screenshot from SoulSilver.}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

So, why not change the article to Heart? [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:That will likely be a default name for '''both''' in ''HeartGold'', just like Soul will be in ''SS'', just as “Red” was a default for both the [[Red (game)|boy]] '''and''' the [[Leaf (game)|girl]] in ''FireRed'' and “Green” for both in ''LeafGreen''. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
== Final proof ==

Eusine in HGSS. Means Crystal stuff is there. Means Soul is Kris. Yes or yes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
: Hmm... Let's do it. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for CoroCoro to come out before making any decisions just yet.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Three days? Good for me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Waiting for concrete proof would be ideal. If it explicitly mentions that it's Kris, then go for it. Otherwise... well isn't that a lot of speculation that we can enjoy ;) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 19:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::What does Eusine have to do with anything? Just because he's from Crystal doesn't mean that everything else is. They could just be simply putting some events from Crystal into this game. Chris is right. Wait for concrete proof. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::The main argument in the past was that this girl must be a new character because HeartGold and SoulSilver are not remakes of Crystal, so anything that was in Crystal can't be in HG/SS. Now that that argument has been put to rest, there's really no reason left to believe she isn't Kris. At the very least, a merge would solve the problem that this page is located at an unofficial title.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 20:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::...No reason? How about the fact that Soul looks NOTHING like Kris, unlike the other redesigned characters? Or the fact that that her clothes DON'T look like they're based on Kris' ones, unlike the other player characters' outfits? Or the fact that she would be the only player character whose hair color was changed to a totally different one in a remake (Red had brown hair in Pokémon Stadium 2, so no, FR/LG didn't change his hair from black to brown), and even compared to the few characters who had a hair color change (Lance and Lorelei), the change between from Kris' and Soul's hair color is too drastic (Lance and Lorelei's new hair colors [reddish pink and red respectively] could be obtained by changing the tonality of the original ones [reddish orange and purple], but you can't get Soul's hair color [brown] by changing the tonality of Kris' [blue])? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Kris's hair color was originally dark brown before they changed it to fit with the "Crystal" theme. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::When did game Kris have brown hair? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The manga. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which should be irrelevant because Special Crystal is based on game Kris, and not the other way around. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::However, she did still have Brown hair...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, there was something about a prototype female character similar to Kris that had brown hair, but I haven't found a picture so far x.x '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::PsychicRider: And anime Bill had green hair. So?
:::::::::::::Sol: You mean the "prototypical" artwork that was revealed years before Gold and Silver came out?:
:::::::::::::http://web.archive.org/web/20041021125709/http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gbc/alpha/alpha_girltrainer.png
::::::::::::: - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Bill has nothing to do with this...He may or may not be getting new artwork...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Neither have Pokémon Special or Special Crystal. The manga has even less influence in the games than the anime. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::You can't even keep your point. Special Crys did get a change...She had brown that switched to blue...Oh, kinda like this, but reversed...hm...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::"You can't even keep your point." < What? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Guys, how much like Red did Red look? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::A lot. Both original and FRLG Red have brown spiky hair, red-and-white jacket and cap, black shirt, blue pants... - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Just wanted to say, I support the merge, for what that's worth. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:The whole thing with PokéSpe Crystal's Blue/Brown hair aside, I'm going to side with Chris and Kenji-girl and suggest waiting until we at least get more concrete evidence pertaining specifically to this character -- such as [[Kris_(game)#Optional_names_for_Kris|sharing default names]], a mention on [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ Masuda's blog] (or preferably [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/ Sugimori's] with some early concept art, just to see that blog updated more than once a year), etc. -- before accepting that Kris and Soul are the same character.
::Not even Leaf's design is changed as drastically from the prototype RGB girl -- Leaf and RBG girl both have long brown hair, a mini-skirt, and no sleeves -- as Soul is from Kris. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 02:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
we already jumped the gun by making this page, so we might as well keep it until everything is 100% confirmed. I don't see how Crystal stuff being in these remakes automatically makes Soul Kris. What is so bad about waiting. And just throwing this in, but how about in the future we actually wait instead of having to go through this again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Waiting would mean someone comes along and makes an article at "NOO GURL (Hartgald/soulver)" that's an absolute mess. And considering the fandom's whining about "SHE'S NOT KRIS" and all that bullcrap... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
She's not Kris. EoT. I don't see how Eusine has anything to do with that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:What evidence is there that she's not Kris, aside from their appearances? We've come up with evidence to indicate she is, the appearance of Crystal elements and her appearing with Eusine in a picture being a few. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's not any evidence. It's just a failed comparative logic. Come on, we didn't even believe CONFIRMED dub title when it revealed [[Barry (anime)|Barry]]'s name. We didn't move his page until the airing of the episode. So, why are we supposed to believe some failed logic? Because the main 'Pedia admin is supporter of the "Soul is Kris" theory? It is NOT an evidence. As long as it's not blatantly stated that she is design-raped Kris after a nuclear explosion, we should not believe any failed "evidences" like that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I just want to say that I oppose the merge. They are obviously different people, and like said above, if you do merge them people will be saying "WTH! SOUL ISNT KRIS" and making fail pages named "new gil(hgss)" --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''An'' evidence? Sheez. Anyway, Maxim, I'm still not seeing any logic coming from you, aside from "they look different." Well, you also had "Not a Crystal remake," but that's obviously no longer the case. We've got "They don't look ''that'' different," "They fill the same role in-game," "Kris appears in a shot with Eusine," "Other characters have undergone drastic visual changes," etc.
:Please, if you have an argument, present it. It doesn't seem like you're using any logic, and I'd love for that to change. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::We have no proof that Soul is Kris, or even that Kris wont even be a character. She might pop up somewhere else, like Blue being a Gym Leader. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 19:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::We also have no proof that Soul is '''''NOT''''' Kris. Blue popped up as Gym Leader 3 years after he began his journey. This is back at the beginning of Gold/Kris's journey. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Both sides of the argument piss off the other side, so maybe we should leave this as is for now. We have no evidence to support either side, and all that is happening now are insults on how the other side isn't right. So just drop the subject for now, and we will pick it up once something in the Pokémon world actually happens. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Does it really matter if she is Kris or not. At least they are remaking G/S. That's what matters. I would love to have Kris back. Soul and Kris have similarities. They probably did that on purpose. To make her look similar to Kris. So until she is confirmed to be Kris, if she is her, i say no merger yet.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I say no to any merger at this point. There is strong evidence in favour of her being Kris, however it is nowhere near confirmed. I say we leave it as it is for the moment, otherwise, the situation could arise where we merge the pages, and then have the messy job of unmerging them, and removing all the Soul stuff from Kris's page. Surely you guys can wait til September 12th to merge the page, just to make sure your doing it when it is confirmed, and not another instance where Bulbapedia jumps the gun.
But I have a question, what will be the proof for either side, when the game comes out, if Kris isn't her name, when she is the NPC, will that confirm she's not Kris, equally if Kris is in her optional names, will that confirm she is Kris? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 14:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Personally, I believe it's what her NPC "helper" name is, what will determine who she is. Be it Kris, Soul or something totally different. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::@ Max King: No, it wouldn't prove a damned thing. If you'll recall, the player character from Diamond and Pearl have Ash/Satoshi or Gary/Shigeru amongst their default names, but that most certainly does not make them Red or Green. Player-Character Girl should use this name for now, since the mob of fanon has spoken. It'll be changed later whether they like it or not. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 13:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If I may add my opinion into this, I don't believe for a second they are the same and oppose the merge. In FireRed/LeafGreen, Red and Leaf were recognisable as who they were meant to be (albeit Leaf never appeared in the original, but there WAS beta artwork of her); Red still had a red jacket, red hat, blue pants; and Leaf still had the boots and same hairstyle. On the other hand, Soul resembles Kris in no way, shape, or form beyond the hair, and even then...I don't see the hair similarities beyond pigtails. Alongside that, if Soul WAS Kris, why would she look so utterly different if Gold and Silver are easily recognizable? It just doesn't make sense. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:Given her weird hair similar to the original Kris’s, and her appearance alongside Eusine in that [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_03_04.jpg Burned Tower/Legendary Beasts artwork], I am inclined to agree with TTE that she seems to be mainly a heavy redesign Kris/Crystal, and she will definitely be named the latter when I play her in ''SoulSilver''( now that I feel pretty sure ''HG''/''SS'' will be thirdversionless like ''FR/LG''). But there is something to be said for putting her at her NPC name, unless she is nameable as an NPC, in which case I say merge to Kris for sure. The REAL question we should be asking is what we do with '''''Gold''''' if '''''his''''' NPC name is nothing like “Gold”. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::Eusine's design hardly changed from his Crystal art, at all. The only thing that stands out as "major" is the designs on his suit. Everything else is basically the same (unless you consider adding lines to his hair a major addition, or that his one bang flipped sides). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I think I said that badly. Wasn’t saying Eusine looks weird. Should be more clear now. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::To answer your question, if Gold gets a new NPC name, then the obvious solution is to create a new article for him with regards to HG/SS, and leave [[Gold (game)]] solely for any and all details with regards to G/S/C.
::::But, this has nothing to do with improvement to {{tt|Soul's|Or whoever the heck she is!}} article, so back to point, or continue the discussion [[Talk:Gold (game)|somewhere else]]? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I didn’t mean to start a tangent on it here, just honestly think it’s a more pertinent question than this one. But not one that needs addressing just yet... kinda like this. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
===Hey look, a section break!===
Strange as it may sound, I agree with Mav. Neither side is really gaining any ground here, so we should all just call her what we want to call her, be it "Soul," "Kris," "Maria," etc, and stop yelling at people who don't agree. And it's not like Bulbapedia defines reality. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:But both sides should agree that the name "Soul" for the girl is practically denied. All screens confirm "Heart" as a version name for the girl and the page should be moved. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
While I think she's clearly just supposed to be Crys's equivalent, and Crys in the Special manga will thus have her outfit when she reappears, if the article really MUST use a name to refer to this "new" girl, why the hell is Soul used? The ONLY names that have been seen for her are Heart and Miki, while the MALE character has only been seen with the names Soul and Hiroshi. (Miki and Hiroshi only being used in a wireless battle for the second versions of them.) If there's a name used for her, it should be Heart for now. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 00:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Soul is mainly used because the FRLG girl was Leaf. Therefore, it's only logical that she'd be named Soul, following Leaf's pattern of being named after the first word in the second game. I say we keep it as Soul until the game comes out, where if it turns out she's Heart we change it then. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::How can this be logical when screens say otherwise? :/ [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Except to me, it's only logical that she's just the new version of Crys, regardless of what you wanna call her, or what she's called when she's an NPC. (I'm betting the boy won't be named "Gold" when he's an NPC, but he doesn't have a separate page from the G/S/C versions' boy. Odds are very likely that the boy and girl will get 'real' names just like gen 3 and 4 gave them.) Bottom line is that "Soul" has never been used in any way for her; it's nothing but speculation, and thus it should not be presented as such on an encyclopedia. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 02:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That's why we have the template... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::If you mean the "has no official name", that doesn't change the fact she's referred to as Soul throughout the article, which has lead to everyone annoyingly calling her as such like it's official. The most ridiculous thing is that the Japanese equivalent is there; seriously, what the hell? She should either not be referred to with any name or be called by a name that she's actually been seen having in-game, Heart. Not to mention it should be written in a way that explains where her names come from, rather than misleadingly-worded statements like "Soul is the female player character..." [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 02:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps the best way to approach this for now is to give the article a more neutral point of view with respect to the Kris/Soul debate. Also, I've stated several times on BMGf why I think using the default names isn't an indicator of this girl's identity. Default names have changed from game to game, see [[Gold (game)]]. Chances are, she'll have a new default name in HG/SS, but then again, so will Gold. The best evidence I can think of is to look at the anime and manga. If this girl is introduced as a separate character in those media, we can assume she's a new character in the games, if Crystal and Marina just end up getting new looks, then it's safe to say that this girl is Kris.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 15:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::@ Eric Destler: Screens tell us which names the people who took the screens are using, not which names are default. As others have pointed out, we've seen screens with a number of names for the characters in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, and none of them were the names we wound up using for the characters. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Guys Kris is Soul. Give me one good reason why Kris isn't Soul.{{unsigned|Pokemon1234567890}}
:::::::::Because she broke Strong Bad's rule about Japanese cartoons. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Why cant you all just wait 40 days until the games come out and we can finally have the answer? Soul is an unofficial name. and think about it. Green/Leaf diddnt appear in Red/Blue/Yellow other then that picture in the guidebook. Even then, she was portrayed by her Manga counterpart. In the remakes she got a new look, and was basically a new character. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 18:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, neither side of this argument has any real evidence to support its opinion. At this point, all anyone knows is that there's a female playable character in this game. Some people look at the design and see a radical redesign of Kris; others think it's a new character. The art is the only grounds anyone has for forming an opinion, and this page has certainly proved that that's not a good enough basis for making a decision. Since we've seen that the pre-release screenshots have a history of giving the characters different names from their "real" ones, the text boxes referring to her as "Heart" aren't any help either. In lieu of any new information either way, it would seem most reasonable to me to leave this page as it is until we know more. After all, if this is a redesign of Kris, I don't think anyone can disagree that it has succeeded in making her look like a new character, at least moreso than any previous redesign. We don't have any concrete information, so there's really nothing to do but wait. Bickering over whether Kris and "Soul's" hairstyles match obviously isn't going to get us anywhere. Actually, with the ridiculously fierce debate this trivial issue has inspired, I can only hope the girl ends up being named "Cindy." [[User:Kyunji|Kyunji]] 04:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Kyunji is right you know! Let's just STOP! It's really annoying! Let's just WAIT! Gees! Why does NO ONE listens!?

Signed,
--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 18:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Master of Bulbasaur and the Turtwig♀
:Wait for what exactly? Nintendo to hold a press conference revealing this girl's identity? It's not going to happen, and no matter what evidence we get, this debate will continue to exist. I'm hoping that we can get some resolution when we find out how the Manga and possibly Anime handle this but I'm not holding my breath. The only thing that is known for now is that some people view her as an updated Kris, and some people view her as a new character. Currently, there are still articles, such as [[Kris (game)]] which refer to "Soul" as a new character. These need to be fixed to be more neutral with respect to the debate. Also, to fix this article, how about merging it with Kris's article, but giving the HG/SS girl her own section along with some background on the Kris/Soul debate?[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 17:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. I think the primary reason most of the fandom is treating this as a new girl named Soul is because of the BP page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

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I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

[[File:HGSS_Soul.png]]
:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There was a poll, and it is mentioned that there is no official name yet, and this is a fanname. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything about the hat because it was like that in the scan. It went off the page. (Sorry, I'm new to this wiki stuff, so I don't know how to do a lot...)
:How about [http://bayimg.com/image/aapfgaabl.jpg this one], or should we just wait for the official individual art from [[Ken Sugimori]] to be released.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 20:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you click through to the archives from the image's page, you'll notice that it's already been updated to the official art, taken from the HG/SS official site. There's just something up with the way images are being shown on the 'pedia. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

According to the screen revealed in CoroCoro and Famitsu, Soul seems to be the boy's name... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sigh. You know as well as I do that "Leaf" is among the optional names for Red in LeafGreen, too, don't you? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well. I know that it doesn't indicate anything. But I noted it here to show that the assumption that her name will be "Soul" is nothing more than gunjumping. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen versions|one generation]] did.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I knew it! her name was going to be Soul just like I predicted in Kris's Talk Page. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 17:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we don't know for a fact yet AlienX2008. While there is a 99% chance of her name being Soul (which I am starting to think is her name as opposed to Heart which I previously thought), there is no official word yet. Right now Soul is just her fan-name.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 18:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it Heart? I heard that according to those scans that the Pokemon website has,it has the Gold character with the default name "Soul"? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, i hope its Heart. But i'd be ok with Soul. {{unsigned|Golden}}

I personally think this article should be called "Female character (Heart Gold/Soul Silver)" since we don't know her name yet.It's best we avoid misinformation until more is revealed. - seriousexpression
:There would be no point in having an article then. Although I think it is jumping the gun as well, the article does say that it is a fan-made name. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::This article may be jumping the gun slightly, maybe, but truly, I'd rather have done it now just in case some dork comes along and wonders where she is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:::We can always change it later.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 00:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've seen her called Mariko on the Japanese site Pixiv. I haven't heard it anywhere else; is this another fan nickname, or is it official? --[[User:Lime|Lime]] 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Might be one of the default names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the female referred to as like Haato and the male referred to as Souru? [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== New screenshot ==

Can someone translate what she is saying in the new screenshot, please? This may give us some kind of information about her... [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/joodude/1245089067561.jpg

This one? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 20:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. I've tried to translate it, but realized soon enough that translating anything that does not use our alphabet is not for me. I got "Steer!". Please. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 21:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::According to the gallery on {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} it reads ''"Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== About Soul...==

I know this is simply speculation,but Soul looks a lot like that [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/Playergirl.png girl] that replaces Red if you insert a Crystal cart. with Kris into the game,right? Okay,maybe not a lot but still..Leaf is obviously based off that girl playable character that was left out of the first generation,right? Maybe Soul is based off this girl? If so,could we put it in the article? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:A. This comparison is an opinion, and B. No, because it's an opinion it cannot go into the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh,okay,just making sure. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sketch: If that's so, then why is the following paragraph in the article:
:::"Due to her similar hair, it is believed by some fans that she is to Kris what Leaf is to Blue: a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's Special counterpart Crystal likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and Marina), and currently has brown hair again." -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. He put it in. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::If anything, Stadium Boy and Stadium Girl are just that. Stadium people. Because this was before they identified your game as your game through the Trainer's appearance. Plus, since RGBY are playable with Stadium 2, it'd look really odd to see Red face... himself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

==SERIOUS BUSINESS==
I just read one of the scans's captions on the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions]]page. It said:

'''Inside Professor Elm's laboratory. "Oh, Soul! I've been waiting for you to come!"''

Does this mean the name is now set in stone? I don't want to edit it straight away incase this isn't the case. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:New stuff goes at the bottom. Also, look at that picture. Elm is talking to GOLD, not [[Soul|this new girl <s>that no one cares about</s>]]. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Most likely, "Soul" is a default name for Gold, like how "Diamond" and "Pearl" are default names for Lucas. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|Exactly.|Which probably means that was a screenshot from SoulSilver.}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

So, why not change the article to Heart? [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Final proof ==

Eusine in HGSS. Means Crystal stuff is there. Means Soul is Kris. Yes or yes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
: Hmm... Let's do it. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for CoroCoro to come out before making any decisions just yet.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Three days? Good for me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Waiting for concrete proof would be ideal. If it explicitly mentions that it's Kris, then go for it. Otherwise... well isn't that a lot of speculation that we can enjoy ;) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 19:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::What does Eusine have to do with anything? Just because he's from Crystal doesn't mean that everything else is. They could just be simply putting some events from Crystal into this game. Chris is right. Wait for concrete proof. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::The main argument in the past was that this girl must be a new character because HeartGold and SoulSilver are not remakes of Crystal, so anything that was in Crystal can't be in HG/SS. Now that that argument has been put to rest, there's really no reason left to believe she isn't Kris. At the very least, a merge would solve the problem that this page is located at an unofficial title.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 20:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::...No reason? How about the fact that Soul looks NOTHING like Kris, unlike the other redesigned characters? Or the fact that that her clothes DON'T look like they're based on Kris' ones, unlike the other player characters' outfits? Or the fact that she would be the only player character whose hair color was changed to a totally different one in a remake (Red had brown hair in Pokémon Stadium 2, so no, FR/LG didn't change his hair from black to brown), and even compared to the few characters who had a hair color change (Lance and Lorelei), the change between from Kris' and Soul's hair color is too drastic (Lance and Lorelei's new hair colors [reddish pink and red respectively] could be obtained by changing the tonality of the original ones [reddish orange and purple], but you can't get Soul's hair color [brown] by changing the tonality of Kris' [blue])? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Kris's hair color was originally dark brown before they changed it to fit with the "Crystal" theme. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::When did game Kris have brown hair? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The manga. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which should be irrelevant because Special Crystal is based on game Kris, and not the other way around. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::However, she did still have Brown hair...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, there was something about a prototype female character similar to Kris that had brown hair, but I haven't found a picture so far x.x '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::PsychicRider: And anime Bill had green hair. So?
:::::::::::::Sol: You mean the "prototypical" artwork that was revealed years before Gold and Silver came out?:
:::::::::::::http://web.archive.org/web/20041021125709/http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gbc/alpha/alpha_girltrainer.png
::::::::::::: - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Bill has nothing to do with this...He may or may not be getting new artwork...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Neither have Pokémon Special or Special Crystal. The manga has even less influence in the games than the anime. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::You can't even keep your point. Special Crys did get a change...She had brown that switched to blue...Oh, kinda like this, but reversed...hm...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::"You can't even keep your point." < What? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Guys, how much like Red did Red look? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::A lot. Both original and FRLG Red have brown spiky hair, red-and-white jacket and cap, black shirt, blue pants... - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Just wanted to say, I support the merge, for what that's worth. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:The whole thing with PokéSpe Crystal's Blue/Brown hair aside, I'm going to side with Chris and Kenji-girl and suggest waiting until we at least get more concrete evidence pertaining specifically to this character -- such as [[Kris_(game)#Optional_names_for_Kris|sharing default names]], a mention on [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ Masuda's blog] (or preferably [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/ Sugimori's] with some early concept art, just to see that blog updated more than once a year), etc. -- before accepting that Kris and Soul are the same character.
::Not even Leaf's design is changed as drastically from the prototype RGB girl -- Leaf and RBG girl both have long brown hair, a mini-skirt, and no sleeves -- as Soul is from Kris. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 02:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
we already jumped the gun by making this page, so we might as well keep it until everything is 100% confirmed. I don't see how Crystal stuff being in these remakes automatically makes Soul Kris. What is so bad about waiting. And just throwing this in, but how about in the future we actually wait instead of having to go through this again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Waiting would mean someone comes along and makes an article at "NOO GURL (Hartgald/soulver)" that's an absolute mess. And considering the fandom's whining about "SHE'S NOT KRIS" and all that bullcrap... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
She's not Kris. EoT. I don't see how Eusine has anything to do with that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:What evidence is there that she's not Kris, aside from their appearances? We've come up with evidence to indicate she is, the appearance of Crystal elements and her appearing with Eusine in a picture being a few. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's not any evidence. It's just a failed comparative logic. Come on, we didn't even believe CONFIRMED dub title when it revealed [[Barry (anime)|Barry]]'s name. We didn't move his page until the airing of the episode. So, why are we supposed to believe some failed logic? Because the main 'Pedia admin is supporter of the "Soul is Kris" theory? It is NOT an evidence. As long as it's not blatantly stated that she is design-raped Kris after a nuclear explosion, we should not believe any failed "evidences" like that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I just want to say that I oppose the merge. They are obviously different people, and like said above, if you do merge them people will be saying "WTH! SOUL ISNT KRIS" and making fail pages named "new gil(hgss)" --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''An'' evidence? Sheez. Anyway, Maxim, I'm still not seeing any logic coming from you, aside from "they look different." Well, you also had "Not a Crystal remake," but that's obviously no longer the case. We've got "They don't look ''that'' different," "They fill the same role in-game," "Kris appears in a shot with Eusine," "Other characters have undergone drastic visual changes," etc.
:Please, if you have an argument, present it. It doesn't seem like you're using any logic, and I'd love for that to change. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::We have no proof that Soul is Kris, or even that Kris wont even be a character. She might pop up somewhere else, like Blue being a Gym Leader. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 19:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::We also have no proof that Soul is '''''NOT''''' Kris. Blue popped up as Gym Leader 3 years after he began his journey. This is back at the beginning of Gold/Kris's journey. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Both sides of the argument piss off the other side, so maybe we should leave this as is for now. We have no evidence to support either side, and all that is happening now are insults on how the other side isn't right. So just drop the subject for now, and we will pick it up once something in the Pokémon world actually happens. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Does it really matter if she is Kris or not. At least they are remaking G/S. That's what matters. I would love to have Kris back. Soul and Kris have similarities. They probably did that on purpose. To make her look similar to Kris. So until she is confirmed to be Kris, if she is her, i say no merger yet.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I say no to any merger at this point. There is strong evidence in favour of her being Kris, however it is nowhere near confirmed. I say we leave it as it is for the moment, otherwise, the situation could arise where we merge the pages, and then have the messy job of unmerging them, and removing all the Soul stuff from Kris's page. Surely you guys can wait til September 12th to merge the page, just to make sure your doing it when it is confirmed, and not another instance where Bulbapedia jumps the gun.
But I have a question, what will be the proof for either side, when the game comes out, if Kris isn't her name, when she is the NPC, will that confirm she's not Kris, equally if Kris is in her optional names, will that confirm she is Kris? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 14:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Personally, I believe it's what her NPC "helper" name is, what will determine who she is. Be it Kris, Soul or something totally different. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::@ Max King: No, it wouldn't prove a damned thing. If you'll recall, the player character from Diamond and Pearl have Ash/Satoshi or Gary/Shigeru amongst their default names, but that most certainly does not make them Red or Green. Player-Character Girl should use this name for now, since the mob of fanon has spoken. It'll be changed later whether they like it or not. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 13:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If I may add my opinion into this, I don't believe for a second they are the same and oppose the merge. In FireRed/LeafGreen, Red and Leaf were recognisable as who they were meant to be (albeit Leaf never appeared in the original, but there WAS beta artwork of her); Red still had a red jacket, red hat, blue pants; and Leaf still had the boots and same hairstyle. On the other hand, Soul resembles Kris in no way, shape, or form beyond the hair, and even then...I don't see the hair similarities beyond pigtails. Alongside that, if Soul WAS Kris, why would she look so utterly different if Gold and Silver are easily recognizable? It just doesn't make sense. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

===Hey look, a section break!===
Strange as it may sound, I agree with Mav. Neither side is really gaining any ground here, so we should all just call her what we want to call her, be it "Soul," "Kris," "Maria," etc, and stop yelling at people who don't agree. And it's not like Bulbapedia defines reality. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:But both sides should agree that the name "Soul" for the girl is practically denied. All screens confirm "Heart" as a version name for the girl and the page should be moved. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
While I think she's clearly just supposed to be Crys's equivalent, and Crys in the Special manga will thus have her outfit when she reappears, if the article really MUST use a name to refer to this "new" girl, why the hell is Soul used? The ONLY names that have been seen for her are Heart and Miki, while the MALE character has only been seen with the names Soul and Hiroshi. (Miki and Hiroshi only being used in a wireless battle for the second versions of them.) If there's a name used for her, it should be Heart for now. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 00:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Soul is mainly used because the FRLG girl was Leaf. Therefore, it's only logical that she'd be named Soul, following Leaf's pattern of being named after the first word in the second game. I say we keep it as Soul until the game comes out, where if it turns out she's Heart we change it then. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::How can this be logical when screens say otherwise? :/ [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Except to me, it's only logical that she's just the new version of Crys, regardless of what you wanna call her, or what she's called when she's an NPC. (I'm betting the boy won't be named "Gold" when he's an NPC, but he doesn't have a separate page from the G/S/C versions' boy. Odds are very likely that the boy and girl will get 'real' names just like gen 3 and 4 gave them.) Bottom line is that "Soul" has never been used in any way for her; it's nothing but speculation, and thus it should not be presented as such on an encyclopedia. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 02:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That's why we have the template... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::If you mean the "has no official name", that doesn't change the fact she's referred to as Soul throughout the article, which has lead to everyone annoyingly calling her as such like it's official. The most ridiculous thing is that the Japanese equivalent is there; seriously, what the hell? She should either not be referred to with any name or be called by a name that she's actually been seen having in-game, Heart. Not to mention it should be written in a way that explains where her names come from, rather than misleadingly-worded statements like "Soul is the female player character..." [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 02:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps the best way to approach this for now is to give the article a more neutral point of view with respect to the Kris/Soul debate. Also, I've stated several times on BMGf why I think using the default names isn't an indicator of this girl's identity. Default names have changed from game to game, see [[Gold (game)]]. Chances are, she'll have a new default name in HG/SS, but then again, so will Gold. The best evidence I can think of is to look at the anime and manga. If this girl is introduced as a separate character in those media, we can assume she's a new character in the games, if Crystal and Marina just end up getting new looks, then it's safe to say that this girl is Kris.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 15:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::@ Eric Destler: Screens tell us which names the people who took the screens are using, not which names are default. As others have pointed out, we've seen screens with a number of names for the characters in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, and none of them were the names we wound up using for the characters. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-07-26T08:39:19Z

Martonimos: /* Final proof */

I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

[[File:HGSS_Soul.png]]
:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There was a poll, and it is mentioned that there is no official name yet, and this is a fanname. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything about the hat because it was like that in the scan. It went off the page. (Sorry, I'm new to this wiki stuff, so I don't know how to do a lot...)
:How about [http://bayimg.com/image/aapfgaabl.jpg this one], or should we just wait for the official individual art from [[Ken Sugimori]] to be released.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 20:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you click through to the archives from the image's page, you'll notice that it's already been updated to the official art, taken from the HG/SS official site. There's just something up with the way images are being shown on the 'pedia. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

According to the screen revealed in CoroCoro and Famitsu, Soul seems to be the boy's name... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sigh. You know as well as I do that "Leaf" is among the optional names for Red in LeafGreen, too, don't you? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well. I know that it doesn't indicate anything. But I noted it here to show that the assumption that her name will be "Soul" is nothing more than gunjumping. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen versions|one generation]] did.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I knew it! her name was going to be Soul just like I predicted in Kris's Talk Page. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 17:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we don't know for a fact yet AlienX2008. While there is a 99% chance of her name being Soul (which I am starting to think is her name as opposed to Heart which I previously thought), there is no official word yet. Right now Soul is just her fan-name.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 18:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it Heart? I heard that according to those scans that the Pokemon website has,it has the Gold character with the default name "Soul"? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, i hope its Heart. But i'd be ok with Soul. {{unsigned|Golden}}

I personally think this article should be called "Female character (Heart Gold/Soul Silver)" since we don't know her name yet.It's best we avoid misinformation until more is revealed. - seriousexpression
:There would be no point in having an article then. Although I think it is jumping the gun as well, the article does say that it is a fan-made name. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::This article may be jumping the gun slightly, maybe, but truly, I'd rather have done it now just in case some dork comes along and wonders where she is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:::We can always change it later.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 00:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've seen her called Mariko on the Japanese site Pixiv. I haven't heard it anywhere else; is this another fan nickname, or is it official? --[[User:Lime|Lime]] 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Might be one of the default names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== New screenshot ==

Can someone translate what she is saying in the new screenshot, please? This may give us some kind of information about her... [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/joodude/1245089067561.jpg

This one? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 20:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. I've tried to translate it, but realized soon enough that translating anything that does not use our alphabet is not for me. I got "Steer!". Please. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 21:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::According to the gallery on {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} it reads ''"Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== About Soul...==

I know this is simply speculation,but Soul looks a lot like that [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/Playergirl.png girl] that replaces Red if you insert a Crystal cart. with Kris into the game,right? Okay,maybe not a lot but still..Leaf is obviously based off that girl playable character that was left out of the first generation,right? Maybe Soul is based off this girl? If so,could we put it in the article? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:A. This comparison is an opinion, and B. No, because it's an opinion it cannot go into the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh,okay,just making sure. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sketch: If that's so, then why is the following paragraph in the article:
:::"Due to her similar hair, it is believed by some fans that she is to Kris what Leaf is to Blue: a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's Special counterpart Crystal likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and Marina), and currently has brown hair again." -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. He put it in. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::If anything, Stadium Boy and Stadium Girl are just that. Stadium people. Because this was before they identified your game as your game through the Trainer's appearance. Plus, since RGBY are playable with Stadium 2, it'd look really odd to see Red face... himself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

==SERIOUS BUSINESS==
I just read one of the scans's captions on the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions]]page. It said:

'''Inside Professor Elm's laboratory. "Oh, Soul! I've been waiting for you to come!"''

Does this mean the name is now set in stone? I don't want to edit it straight away incase this isn't the case. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:New stuff goes at the bottom. Also, look at that picture. Elm is talking to GOLD, not [[Soul|this new girl <s>that no one cares about</s>]]. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Most likely, "Soul" is a default name for Gold, like how "Diamond" and "Pearl" are default names for Lucas. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|Exactly.|Which probably means that was a screenshot from SoulSilver.}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Final proof ==

Eusine in HGSS. Means Crystal stuff is there. Means Soul is Kris. Yes or yes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
: Hmm... Let's do it. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for CoroCoro to come out before making any decisions just yet.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Three days? Good for me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Waiting for concrete proof would be ideal. If it explicitly mentions that it's Kris, then go for it. Otherwise... well isn't that a lot of speculation that we can enjoy ;) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 19:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::What does Eusine have to do with anything? Just because he's from Crystal doesn't mean that everything else is. They could just be simply putting some events from Crystal into this game. Chris is right. Wait for concrete proof. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::The main argument in the past was that this girl must be a new character because HeartGold and SoulSilver are not remakes of Crystal, so anything that was in Crystal can't be in HG/SS. Now that that argument has been put to rest, there's really no reason left to believe she isn't Kris. At the very least, a merge would solve the problem that this page is located at an unofficial title.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 20:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::...No reason? How about the fact that Soul looks NOTHING like Kris, unlike the other redesigned characters? Or the fact that that her clothes DON'T look like they're based on Kris' ones, unlike the other player characters' outfits? Or the fact that she would be the only player character whose hair color was changed to a totally different one in a remake (Red had brown hair in Pokémon Stadium 2, so no, FR/LG didn't change his hair from black to brown), and even compared to the few characters who had a hair color change (Lance and Lorelei), the change between from Kris' and Soul's hair color is too drastic (Lance and Lorelei's new hair colors [reddish pink and red respectively] could be obtained by changing the tonality of the original ones [reddish orange and purple], but you can't get Soul's hair color [brown] by changing the tonality of Kris' [blue])? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Kris's hair color was originally dark brown before they changed it to fit with the "Crystal" theme. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::When did game Kris have brown hair? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The manga. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which should be irrelevant because Special Crystal is based on game Kris, and not the other way around. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::However, she did still have Brown hair...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, there was something about a prototype female character similar to Kris that had brown hair, but I haven't found a picture so far x.x '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::PsychicRider: And anime Bill had green hair. So?
:::::::::::::Sol: You mean the "prototypical" artwork that was revealed years before Gold and Silver came out?:
:::::::::::::http://web.archive.org/web/20041021125709/http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gbc/alpha/alpha_girltrainer.png
::::::::::::: - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Bill has nothing to do with this...He may or may not be getting new artwork...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Neither have Pokémon Special or Special Crystal. The manga has even less influence in the games than the anime. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::You can't even keep your point. Special Crys did get a change...She had brown that switched to blue...Oh, kinda like this, but reversed...hm...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::"You can't even keep your point." < What? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Guys, how much like Red did Red look? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::A lot. Both original and FRLG Red have brown spiky hair, red-and-white jacket and cap, black shirt, blue pants... - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Just wanted to say, I support the merge, for what that's worth. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:The whole thing with PokéSpe Crystal's Blue/Brown hair aside, I'm going to side with Chris and Kenji-girl and suggest waiting until we at least get more concrete evidence pertaining specifically to this character -- such as [[Kris_(game)#Optional_names_for_Kris|sharing default names]], a mention on [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ Masuda's blog] (or preferably [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/ Sugimori's] with some early concept art, just to see that blog updated more than once a year), etc. -- before accepting that Kris and Soul are the same character.
::Not even Leaf's design is changed as drastically from the prototype RGB girl -- Leaf and RBG girl both have long brown hair, a mini-skirt, and no sleeves -- as Soul is from Kris. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 02:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
we already jumped the gun by making this page, so we might as well keep it until everything is 100% confirmed. I don't see how Crystal stuff being in these remakes automatically makes Soul Kris. What is so bad about waiting. And just throwing this in, but how about in the future we actually wait instead of having to go through this again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Waiting would mean someone comes along and makes an article at "NOO GURL (Hartgald/soulver)" that's an absolute mess. And considering the fandom's whining about "SHE'S NOT KRIS" and all that bullcrap... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
She's not Kris. EoT. I don't see how Eusine has anything to do with that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:What evidence is there that she's not Kris, aside from their appearances? We've come up with evidence to indicate she is, the appearance of Crystal elements and her appearing with Eusine in a picture being a few. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's not any evidence. It's just a failed comparative logic. Come on, we didn't even believe CONFIRMED dub title when it revealed [[Barry (anime)|Barry]]'s name. We didn't move his page until the airing of the episode. So, why are we supposed to believe some failed logic? Because the main 'Pedia admin is supporter of the "Soul is Kris" theory? It is NOT an evidence. As long as it's not blatantly stated that she is design-raped Kris after a nuclear explosion, we should not believe any failed "evidences" like that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I just want to say that I oppose the merge. They are obviously different people, and like said above, if you do merge them people will be saying "WTH! SOUL ISNT KRIS" and making fail pages named "new gil(hgss)" --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''An'' evidence? Sheez. Anyway, Maxim, I'm still not seeing any logic coming from you, aside from "they look different." Well, you also had "Not a Crystal remake," but that's obviously no longer the case. We've got "They don't look ''that'' different," "They fill the same role in-game," "Kris appears in a shot with Eusine," "Other characters have undergone drastic visual changes," etc.
:Please, if you have an argument, present it. It doesn't seem like you're using any logic, and I'd love for that to change. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::We have no proof that Soul is Kris, or even that Kris wont even be a character. She might pop up somewhere else, like Blue being a Gym Leader. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 19:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::We also have no proof that Soul is '''''NOT''''' Kris. Blue popped up as Gym Leader 3 years after he began his journey. This is back at the beginning of Gold/Kris's journey. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Both sides of the argument piss off the other side, so maybe we should leave this as is for now. We have no evidence to support either side, and all that is happening now are insults on how the other side isn't right. So just drop the subject for now, and we will pick it up once something in the Pokémon world actually happens. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Does it really matter if she is Kris or not. At least they are remaking G/S. That's what matters. I would love to have Kris back. Soul and Kris have similarities. They probably did that on purpose. To make her look similar to Kris. So until she is confirmed to be Kris, if she is her, i say no merger yet.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I say no to any merger at this point. There is strong evidence in favour of her being Kris, however it is nowhere near confirmed. I say we leave it as it is for the moment, otherwise, the situation could arise where we merge the pages, and then have the messy job of unmerging them, and removing all the Soul stuff from Kris's page. Surely you guys can wait til September 12th to merge the page, just to make sure your doing it when it is confirmed, and not another instance where Bulbapedia jumps the gun.
But I have a question, what will be the proof for either side, when the game comes out, if Kris isn't her name, when she is the NPC, will that confirm she's not Kris, equally if Kris is in her optional names, will that confirm she is Kris? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 14:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Personally, I believe it's what her NPC "helper" name is, what will determine who she is. Be it Kris, Soul or something totally different. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::@ Max King: No, it wouldn't prove a damned thing. If you'll recall, the player character from Diamond and Pearl have Ash/Satoshi or Gary/Shigeru amongst their default names, but that most certainly does not make them Red or Green. Player-Character Girl should use this name for now, since the mob of fanon has spoken. It'll be changed later whether they like it or not. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 13:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If I may add my opinion into this, I don't believe for a second they are the same and oppose the merge. In FireRed/LeafGreen, Red and Leaf were recognisable as who they were meant to be (albeit Leaf never appeared in the original, but there WAS beta artwork of her); Red still had a red jacket, red hat, blue pants; and Leaf still had the boots and same hairstyle. On the other hand, Soul resembles Kris in no way, shape, or form beyond the hair, and even then...I don't see the hair similarities beyond pigtails. Alongside that, if Soul WAS Kris, why would she look so utterly different if Gold and Silver are easily recognizable? It just doesn't make sense. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

===Hey look, a section break!===
Strange as it may sound, I agree with Mav. Neither side is really gaining any ground here, so we should all just call her what we want to call her, be it "Soul," "Kris," "Maria," etc, and stop yelling at people who don't agree. And it's not like Bulbapedia defines reality. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Pikachu (Pokémon)

2009-07-16T01:43:17Z

Martonimos:

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name=Pikachu |
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jname=ピカチュウ |
tmname=Pikachu |
image=025Pikachu.png |
crysp=025Y|
size=150 |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=025 |
jdex=022 |
hdex=156 |
fdex=023 |
sdex=104 |
adex=002 |
typen=1 |
type1=Electric |
type2= |
species=Mouse |
height-ftin=1'04" |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=13.2 |
weight-kg=6.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Static |
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egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Ground |
egggroup2=Fairy |
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evsp=2 |
expyield=82 |
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color=Yellow |
catchrate=190 |
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footnotes=}}
'''Pikachu''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ピカチュウ''' ''Pikachu'') is an {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Pichu}} by [[happiness]], and evolves into {{p|Raichu}} when exposed to a {{stone|Thunderstone}}.

Pikachu is popularly known as the mascot of the [[Pokémon]] franchise.

It is the [[version mascot]] of {{game|Yellow}}, where it is the only [[starter Pokémon]] in that game, and has made numerous appearences on the boxes of spin-off titles.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
A Pikachu is a short, chubby, ground-dwelling rodent notable for its Electric abilities. Pikachu have short, yellow fur with brown stripes on the back, black-tipped ears, along with an unusually shaped tail, resembling a lightning bolt. Besides its evolution and pre-evolution, it may be related to {{p|Plusle}}, {{p|Minun}}, and {{p|Pachirisu}}, due to notable physical similarities.

Pikachu are known to have acute senses of hearing, thanks to their large ears. Most domestic Pikachu are very intelligent, understanding and interpreting human speech at levels far surpassing those of any pet dog.

In ''[[DP074|Pika and Goliath!]]'', when [[Ash's Pikachu]] was injured, it was shown to have a heart rate of 156.

====Gender differences====
A female Pikachu has a small "dent" at the end of its tail, causing it to resemble a heart.

===Special abilities===
Exclusive to the Pikachu's subspecies is the ability to release electric {{m|discharge}}s of varying intensity, at will, through electric sacs in its cheeks. This electric energy can be manipulated into a variety of [[Moves|techniques]] which are mostly used in {{pkmn|battle}}, but which can be used to roast [[berries]] as well.

As Pikachu build up energy in their electricity glands, it often needs to discharge, as to not result in a short, or worse, which can lead to physical {{status|Paralysis|Paralysis}}, or in severe cases, death. Pikachu release the built-up energy through their tail, which acts as a grounding rod, to safely remove unneeded energy. A sure sign to tell if a location is inhabited by Pikachu is to look for patches of burnt grass, which is the result of the discharge. Through an inability to release a buildup of electricity, a Pikachu may develop a rare condition similar to the human flu. This illness is most often caused by strong nearby electro-magnetic forces, which severely impact the electric glands. If a Pikachu is introduced to a magnet, it will be attracted towards its cheeks, and display other common attributes of magnetism.

Pikachu and its evolution family, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Raichu}}, are the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that can learn {{m|Volt Tackle}}. In a few rare cases, Pikachu can learn to manipulate {{t|Water}} and, with the help of a surfboard, perform the move {{m|Surf}}. Other rare cases show that Pikachu can also learn, with the use of balloons, to perform the move {{m|Fly}}, removing its weakness to {{type2|Ground}}s.

===Behavior===
In the wild, Pikachu often travel in packs, and are rarely territorial. However, when threatened, a group can generate an intense electrical offensive, and the electro-magnetic forces exerted by the resulting field can even produce a short lived, localized thunderstorm. Pikachu can be harmful pests, eating and sometimes destroying telephone poles, wires, and other electronic equipment.

Despite this, it is a popular pet, and relatively easy to maintain, with little exercise necessary for its well being. However, it is important to discharge the electricity in its cheeks periodically.

As many know, pulling on a Pikachu's tail will result in a severe shock to the offender. Another defense of Pikachu's is the use of its nasty {{m|Bite}} which has been known to leave quite a mark.

===Habitat===
[[File:Forest.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Forest Pokémon}}]]
They are found mostly in forests, but possibly because of their attraction to their electricity or simply because they are not afraid of people, Pikachu commonly show up in civilized areas. They may even enter houses, presumably attracted by the electrical output generated by the dwellers' appliances. Pikachu are native only to the [[Kanto]] region, although they have been introduced to many other regions.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Living in wooded areas, Pikachu often are found foraging for [[berries]]. Instead of climbing trees, they use small electrical shocks to release the berries from the tree, roasting them at the same time.

As pets, they can be fed a variety of processed food. Alternatively, like most Pokémon, Pikachu are tolerant to most "human" foods, and sometimes enjoy them more than the more nutritional food designed for their biology. An example of this is the fact that [[Ash's Pikachu]] has been known to have a fondness of ketchup.

==In the anime==
[[File:Pikachu_thunderbolt.png|right|thumb|[[Ash's Pikachu]] using {{m|Thunderbolt}}]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Ash's Pikachu]]====
[[Ash Ketchum]] has a Pikachu that he [[Starter Pokémon|obtained]] from [[Professor Oak]] in ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'', the first episode of the Pokémon anime series. It has appeared in every non-special episode since. Pikachu has also appeared in every Pokémon movie.

[[File:Pikachusinging.png||thumb|[[Ash's Pikachu]] with other {{pkmn2|wild}} Pikachu]]
Ash was given the opportunity to release Pikachu in ''[[EP039|Pikachu's Goodbye]]'', though Pikachu chose to stay with him. This episode also featured many other wild Pikachu.

A Pikachu named Sugar belonging to the owners of a restaurant went missing prior to ''[[DP024|Cooking up a Sweet Story!]]'', and Ash's Pikachu had to fill in for it so that its owner would have the confidence to win a cooking competition. At the end of the episode, the Pikachu returns, however, it has evolved into a {{p|Raichu}}.
[[File:AFriendinDeed.gif|right|thumb|{{OP|Ash|Pikachu}} and [[Sparky|Ritchie's Pikachu]]]]

====[[Sparky|Ritchie's Pikachu]]====
[[Ritchie]] also has a Pikachu nicknamed [[Sparky]], who debuted in ''[[EP078|A Friend In Deed]]''. Sparky, unlike most Pikachu, has a tuft of fur on the top of its head.

====[[Ashachu]]====
Ash gets turned into a Pikachu in ''[[EP241|Hocus Pokémon]]'' by a Pokémon magician named {{Jo|Lily}}. He reverts to his human form at the beginning of [[EP242|the next episode]].

====Other====
Many Pikachu appeared in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]'' to help Ash's Pikachu defeat [[Team Rocket]]'s [[Jessie]], [[James]], and {{MTR}} to send them blasting off for the first time.

Another Pikachu nicknamed '''[[Puka]]''' was owned by a man named {{ka|Victor}} on [[Seafoam Islands|Seafoam Island]] in ''[[EP067|The Pi-Kahuna]]''. This blue-eyed Pikachu had the ability to sense tidal waves approaching.

A Pikachu has also been owned by [[Luana]]'s son, [[Travis]]. Luana mistook Ash for Travis when she saw Pikachu on Ash's shoulder.

[[File:Mewtwospikachu.jpg|right|thumb|{{an|Mewtwo}}'s cloned Pikachu with different ear marks]]
In ''[[AG086|Lights, Camerupt, Action]]'', [[Elijah]] used a Pikachu in one of his movies. This Pikachu helped {{p|Plusle}} and {{p|Minun}} on their mission to rescue Princess {{p|Kirlia}} from the evil {{p|Exploud}}.

In ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', {{an|Mewtwo}} clones Ash's Pikachu. This Pikachu can be told apart from Ash's due to spikes on the black marks at the tips of its ears. It is also comparatively more aggressive than Ash's Pikachu and slurs its speech, defects possibly caused by Ash tampering with Mewtwo's cloning machine during the cloning process.

A Pikachu also had a part in ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]''. He was kidnapped by a {{p|Skarmory}} and Team Go-Getters set out to rescue him as their first mission. Pikachu provided them with some items in the battle.

===Minor appearances===
Aside from Ash's Pikachu, Pokémon of this species, wild and Trainers' alike, are rarely seen in the anime. This is most likely due to the fact that Ash's Pikachu is seen in every episode.

[[James]] used a Pikachu in the Pokémon League Entrance Exam in ''[[EP056|The Ultimate Test]]'', but the Pikachu was defeated by the instructor's {{p|Graveler}}. James, after interfering with a battle {{Ash}} was having with the instructor, later tried to steal this Pikachu.

A Pikachu belonging to an unnamed Aura Guardian appeared in a flashback in ''[[DP056|The Keystone Pops!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP002|Pikachu|Dawn's Pokédex|Pikachu, the Mouse Pokémon. It can generate electric attacks from the electric pouches located in both of its cheeks.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] prominently features a Pikachu.

A {{PiPiPi|Pikachu}} is one of the main characters in [[Pokémon PiPiPi Adventure]].

A more mouse-like {{TP|Isamu Akai|Pikachu}} that communicates through pantomime is one of [[Isamu Akai]]'s Pokémon in {{OBP|Pocket Monsters|manga}}.

{{OBP|Satoshi|Zensho}} has a Pikachu as one of the members of his team in [[Pokémon Zensho]]. It later evolves into a {{p|Raichu}}.

[[Shū]]'s first Pokémon was a {{OBP|Pikachu|Get da ze!}} he found abandoned in the forest in [[Pokémon Get da ze!]].

Ash's Pikachu was the main character in the short-lived [[Pokémon Newspaper Strip]].

A story called "Akari and Pikachu's Birthday" is featured in the final volume of [[How I Became a Pokémon Card]].

In [[Golden Boys]], {{OBP|Gold|Golden Boys}} was in possession of a Pikachu, which ended up being [[Eusine]]'s.

A Pikachu makes a cameo in [[Pokémon Battle Frontier]] during one of the battles. Also, a photo album owned by {{FB|Salon Maiden|Anabel}} has a Pikachu on the cover.

===Pokémon Special===
'''Pokédex entry''': When several of these Pokémon gather, their electricity could build up and cause lightning storms. Forest dwellers, they are few in number and exceptionally rare. The pouches in their cheeks discharge electricity at their opponents. The Pikachu are believed to be highly intelligent.

Pikachu debuted in its own round in the {{Special|Red, Green & Blue chapter}}, ''[[PS004|Wanted: Pikachu!]]''. Here, a Pikachu was stealing all the crops in a town. The townsfolk kept chasing it around, but end up getting shocked by it. {{Special|Red}} arrives and captures [[Pika|it]], ending the chaos.

In the ninth volume, {{Special|Yellow}} is seen to have a new addition to her team: a [[Chuchu|Pikachu]] she had found injured in the [[Viridian Forest]] and nursed back to health. When Pika is left behind by Red on his trip to [[Mt. Silver]], Pika joins Yellow and Chuchu on their trip to Johto.

Pika and Chuchu share a loving relationship, one that is so strong that even [[Jasmine]] noticed, prompting her to hand Yellow a slip with the Pokémon Daycare's address on it. In Volume 13, after Yellow and Wilton are brought to the Daycare after being shipwrecked, Yellow finds that Pika and Chuchu now have an egg shortly after they were "put together". The egg eventually hatches into {{Special|Gold}}'s Pichu.

Wild Pikachu also appeared in the R/S and D/P sagas.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Pikachu (TCG)}}

Pikachu somehow manages to find its way into many of the expansions, causing there to be at least 30 known Pokémon cards featuring Pikachu. There are also various Trainer cards with Pikachu in the card's artwork too, including the very sought-after tournament promos such as [[No.1 Trainer (Tournament promo)|No.1 Trainer]].

The first Pikachu that appeared in the TCG was {{TCG ID|Base Set|Pikachu|58}} in the {{TCG|Base Set}} (which was reprinted in {{TCG|Base Set 2}} and in {{TCG|POP Series 2}} with different artwork). It was followed in {{TCG|Jungle|the next set}} by another {{TCG ID|Jungle|Pikachu|60}} (which was also reprinted in the {{TCG|Legendary Collection}}). The third Pikachu card released was the first-ever English {{TCG|Wizards Black Star Promos|promo card}}, {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Pikachu|1}}. The original Base Set Pikachu was also released as a special promotional card at {{wp|E3}}.

In the early days of the TCG, several notable errors were made regarding the Pikachu cards. The Base Set Pikachu was released with altered artwork at first, depicting it with red cheeks, instead of the original yellow. While this matched [[Ken Sugimori]]'s artwork, the yellow color on its cheeks was intentional by the artist, who depicted Pikachu using {{m|ThunderShock}}. This error appeared in both the E3 promotional version and the normal Base Set release. A second error was made in the production of Jungle set booster packs, which, instead of the Jungle set's Pikachu, contained, at times, first edition versions of the Pikachu that was released as a promo card.

==In the TFG==
One Pikachu figure has been released.

*{{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Pikachu|18}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros.]]===
Pikachu is a playable character and the only Pokémon that is playable from the start of the game. It is in the fifth box of the second row. Its main stage is [[Saffron City]].

In the hands of a skilled player, Pikachu is not to be taken lightly. Alongside electrical attacks, it has very good aerial attacks and superb recovery. Because of this, top-level SSB players have placed Pikachu at the top of their list, theoretically making it the best character in the game.

===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
Pikachu is a playable character and the only Pokémon that is playable from the start of the game. It is initially placed to the right of Mario but moves to the bottom row after Luigi is unlocked. Its main stage is [[Pokémon Stadium (stage)|Kanto: Pokémon Stadium]].

While Pikachu's play style remained the same, it was powered down in the sequel. The tier lists for Melee place Pikachu in either the Middle or Low tier.

[[File:Pikachu in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Pikachu using Thunder Jolt in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]].]]
====Trophy information====
=====Classic Mode=====
It's safe to say that Pikachu is the most famous and popular of all Pokémon. It has electric pouches in both cheeks; when in danger, it shoots electricity at its enemies. Although Pikachu can evolve into Raichu by exposure to a Thunderstone, many Trainers like Pikachu so much that they don't let it evolve.

=====Adventure Mode=====
While its electrical attacks, such as Thunder and Thunder Jolt, are powerful, Pikachu is at its best speeding around the fray and waiting for its chance to strike. You can control the path of Pikachu's two-directional Quick Attack, allowing you to jump twice. Hold down the B Button to charge up Skull Bash.

=====All-Star Mode=====
The angle of the Control Stick controls the direction of Pikachu's Quick Attack. Pikachu will move blindingly fast, and it will also cause damage to any character it runs into. Move the Control Stick during Quick Attack and Pikachu will move in up to two directions. Be sure to check out the ceilings on the level when you use Thunder.

===[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
[[File:Pikachu_Brawl.jpg|140px|thumb|right|Pikachu in Brawl.]]
Pikachu is a returning playable character to the franchise. Its Final Smash move is {{m|Volt Tackle}}.

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Standard Special Move !! Side Special Move !! Up Special Move !! Down Special Move !! Final Smash
|-
||
{{m|Thunder Jolt}}
||
{{m|Skull Bash}}
||
{{m|Quick Attack}}
||
{{m|Thunder}}
||
{{m|Volt Tackle}}
|}

====Subspace Emissary====
Pikachu is first seen in the "Research Facility" stage where it is being used to power a generator. Responding to its shrieks of pain, {{wp|Samus Aran|Zero Suit Samus}} saves it by destroying the generator. The two then face a group of {{wp|R.O.B}} Sentries. Pikachu then joins Samus to search for her stolen power suit. The suit is soon recovered and then are soon confronted by {{wp|Metroid (series)#Recurring characters|Ridley}}. He grabs Samus and begins dragging her across the walls. It is now that Pikachu returns the favor as it zaps Ridley with a powerful Thunder attack. After, Pikachu can be used to battle the final boss.

====[[wp:Metal Gear|Codec]] information (on Shadow Moses Island)====
*'''[[wp:List of recurring Metal Gear characters#Mei Ling|Mei Ling]]:''' ''"Ooh! How cuute!"''
*'''{{wp|Solid Snake}}:''' ''"What? The [[List of Pokémon by color#Yellow|yellow thing]]?"''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"That's Pikachu. It's a [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|Pokémon]]. They're popular all over the {{pkmn|world}}, you know. And it may look cute, but be careful. It can store large amounts of {{t|electric}}ity in those adorable little cheeks. It'll try to pepper you with [[Pikachu (Pokémon)#Smash Bros.-only moves|electric shocks]]."''
*'''Solid Snake:''' ''"Couldn't be much worse than [[wp:List of recurring Metal Gear characters#Revolver Ocelot (Liquid Ocelot)|Ocelot's]] old torture device..."''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"Oh, and, Snake?"''
*'''Solid Snake:''' ''"What?"''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"I was wondering, could you maybe try and [[Caught Pokémon|catch Pikachu]] for me? Pleeeeease?"''
*'''Solid Snake:''' ''"Give me a break! What do I look like, a [[Pokémon Trainer]]?"''
*'''Mei Ling:''' ''"Fine... Sorry I asked."''

====Trophy information====
''"A Mouse Pokémon. Its lightning-bolt tail and round cheeks are its trademarks. When danger draws near, it uses tiny electric pouches within its cheeks to discharge electricity. When it's really fired up, it unleashes thunderbolts on its rivals. It's said to recharge when it's {{status|Sleep|sleeping}}. It evolves into {{p|Raichu}}."''

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}: Pikachu stars in the mini-game "Thundering Dynamo" alongside {{p|Voltorb}}. This mini-game involves charging up electric power.
* [[Pokémon Stadium 2]]: Pikachu can be used in "Pichu's Power Plant" if one is detected in a Transferred Pokémon game.
* [[Pokémon Pinball]]: Pikachu serves as a Ball-Saver, but it will only work if the Lightning Meter is full.
* [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]: Pikachu has the same role as in Pokémon Pinball but is sometimes helped by {{p|Pichu}}. Pikachu also appears on the Catch 'Em Mode banner.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=electric
|gen=1
|redbluedex=When several of these Pokémon gather, their electricity could build and cause lightning storms.
|yellowdex=It keeps its tail raised to monitor its surroundings. If you yank its tail, it will try to {{m|bite}} you.
|stadiumdex=Lives in forests away from people. It stores electricity in its cheeks for zapping an enemy if it is attacked.
|golddex=This intelligent Pokémon roasts hard [[berries]] with electricity to make them tender enough to eat.
|silverdex=It raises its tail to check its surroundings. The tail is sometimes struck by lightning in this pose.
|crystaldex=When it is angered, it immediately discharges the energy stored in the pouches in its cheeks.
|stadium2dex=This intelligent Pokémon roasts hard Berries with electricity to make them tender enough to eat.
|rubydex=Whenever Pikachu comes across something new, it blasts it with a jolt of electricity. If you come across a blackened berry, it's evidence that this Pokémon mistook the intensity of its charge.
|sapphiredex=This Pokémon has electricity-storing pouches on its cheeks. These appear to become electrically charged during the night while Pikachu sleeps. It occasionally discharges electricity when it is dozy after waking up.
|emeralddex=It stores electricity in the electric sacs on its cheeks. When it releases pent-up energy in a burst, the electric power is equal to a lightning bolt.
|firereddex=It has small electric sacs on both its cheeks. If threatened, it looses electric charges from the sacs.
|leafgreendex=When several of these Pokémon gather, their electricity could build and cause lightning storms.
|colosseumdex=Lives in forests away from people. It stores electricity in its cheeks for zapping an enemy if it is attacked.
|diamonddex=It lives in forests with others. It stores electricity in the pouches on its cheeks.
|pearldex=If it looses crackling power from the electrical pouches on its cheeks, it is being wary.
|platinumdex=It occasionally uses an electric shock to recharge a fellow Pikachu that is in a weakened state.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=electric |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Rare |
rbarea=[[Viridian Forest]], [[Power Plant]] |
yrarity=One |
yarea=[[Starter Pokémon]] from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]] |
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea=[[Route 2]] |
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Route 2]] |
rsrarity=Rare |
rsarea=[[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
erarity=Rare |
earea=[[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea=[[Viridian Forest]], [[Power Plant]] |
dprarity=Common |
dparea=[[Trophy Garden]] |
ptrarity=Common |
ptarea=[[Trophy Garden]] |
palarea=Forest |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Electric
|snap=[[Pokémon Island Beach|Beach]], [[Pokémon Island Tunnel|Tunnel]], [[Pokémon Island River|River]] and [[Pokémon Island Cave|Cave]]
|channel=Collect all 101 Nice Cards
|pinball=[[Viridian Forest]] (Blue Field)
|pinballrs=[[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] (Ruby Field)
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 4]] [[Secret Storage 20]] Endless Level 1 [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Starter Pokémon]] [[Lightning Field]] (6F-10F)
|ranger=[[Lyra Forest]] [[Panula Cave]] [[Sekra Mountain Range]]
|md2=[[Starter Pokémon]] [[Amp Plains]] (9F-10F) [[Far Amp Plains]] (1F-4F)
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]] [[Crysta Cave]] [[Volcano Cave]] [[Chroma Road]] [[Chroma Highlands]] [[Chroma Ruins]]
|ranch=Random [[Hayley's trades|trade]] with [[Hayley]]{{tt|*|Available for transfer to Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum}}
|scramble=[[Quiet Forest]]
}}

===Held items===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" align="center"
|- style="background: #{{electric color}};"
! Game
! colspan=2 | Items
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
| colspan=2 | [[Berry]] (8%)
|-
| [[Berry]] ([[Time Capsule|trade]] from {{2v2|Red|Blue}})
| [[Light Ball]] ([[Time Capsule|trade]] from {{v2|Yellow}})
|-
| {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}
| {{b|Oran}} (50%)
| [[Light Ball]] (5%)
|-
| {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}
| {{b|Oran}} (50%)
| [[Light Ball]] (5%)
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 35 |
Attack= 55 |
Defense=30 |
SpAtk= 50 |
SpDef= 40 |
Special=50 |
Speed= 90 |
type=Electric }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=Electric|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Pikachu}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
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{{mlentry4|Start|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|10|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|13|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|18|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|21|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|26|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|29|Feint|Normal|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|34|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|37|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|42|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|45|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|electric}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|electric|electric|4|1|Pikachu}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|electric}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|electric|electric|4|1|Pikachu}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Nuzleaf}}, {{p|Shiftry}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}} {{p|Pachirisu}}|Bide|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mareep}}, {{p|Flaaffy}}, {{p|Ampharos}} {{p|Electrike}}, {{p|Manectric}} {{p|Plusle}} {{p|Minun}} {{p|Shinx}}, {{p|Luxio}}, {{p|Luxray}}|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Clefable}} {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Wigglytuff}} {{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}}|DoubleSlap|Normal|Physical|15|85|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Clefable}} {{p|Togetic}}, {{p|Togekiss}} {{p|Slakoth}}, {{p|Vigoroth}}, {{p|Slaking}} {{p|Plusle}} {{p|Minun}} {{p|Spheal}}, {{p|Sealeo}}, {{p|Walrein}}|Encore|Normal|Status|—|100|5|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Meowth}}, {{p|Persian}} {{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Glameow}}, {{p|Purugly}}|Fake Out|Normal|Physical|40|100|10|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Delibird}}|Present|Normal|Physical|—|90|15|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Vigoroth}} {{p|Growlithe}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ampharos}}|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Aipom}}, {{p|Ambipom}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Raichu}}|Volt Tackle|Electric|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Togetic}}|Wish|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|electric}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|electric|electric|4|1|Pikachu}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cute|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|1|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mega Kick|Normal|Physical|120|75|5|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|Tough|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|100|20|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2||'''|no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|electric}}

====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{movelistspecial|electric|electric|4|1|Pikachu}}
{{mlentry4special|[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2005#Sunday Pikachu|Sunday Events]] 
[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2005#Yokohama Pikachu|Yokohama Events]] 
[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#TCG World Championships 2007 Pikachu|TCG World Championships 2007 Event]] 
[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2008#Birthday Pikachu|Birthday Event]] 
[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2008#PC Yokohama Pikachu|PC Yokohama Event]] [[Pokémon Battle Revolution#Pikachu|Pokémon Battle Revolution Gift Pokémon]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2|}}
{{mlentry4|[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2004#ANA Pikachu|ANA Event]] and [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2005#GW Pikachu|GW Event]]|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2009#Onemuri Pikachu|Onemuri Event]]|Yawn|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|electric}}

====Smash Bros.-only moves====
'''Thunder Jolt''' (Japanese: '''でんげき''' ''Electric Attack'') is {{p|Pikachu}}'s Standard Special Move in all three ''Smash Bros.'' games. When used, Pikachu will release a small, blue bolt that slowly jumps across the platform. It can also turn around at some corners.

When used in midair, Pikachu will instead make a white ball that will travel in a downward diagonal line until it reaches a platform. In ''Brawl'', there is a purple sphere around the white ball.

====[[TCG]]-only moves====
*{{m|Spark}} {{ic|Electric}}
*{{m|Scratch}} {{ic|Normal}}
*{{m|Tackle}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=electric |
ndex=025 |
Pincatch=yes |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-19% |
area=Energetic Forest |
P1=You can depend on my electric attacks! |
P2=My HP's been halved... |
P3=I'm beat... My electric shocks are out of power... |
PL=OK! My level went up! Leave it to me! |
Partner=yes |
PP1=Let's keep at it, <name>! |
PP2=This is starting to hurt... |
PP3=I can't keep going like this... <name>, help... |
PPL=Yes! I leveled up! |
Ranger=yes |
typeG=Electric |
typeA=Electric |
fieldpower=2 |
field=Recharge |
loop=2 |
MinEXP=9 |
MaxEXP=9 |
browser=Pikachu discharges energy to recharge the [[Capture Styler|Styler]]'s energy. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Electric |
Assist2=no |
field2=Recharge |
field2power=3 |
browser2=It attacks by blasting electricity from its body. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2baby|172|Pichu|1|Electric||[[Happiness]]||025|Pikachu|1|Electric||[[Thunderstone]]|026|Raichu|1|Electric|}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=electric|
gen=1|
gender=both|
ndex=025|
name=Pikachu|
animated=1|
}}

==Trivia==
* The "secret" move for Pikachu's evolution line, {{m|Volt Tackle}}, is actually based on (and in the Japanese version, named after) {{wp|Pulseman}}'s signature move, Volteccer. To get this move, a {{p|Pichu}} must be bred from a parent Pikachu or {{p|Raichu}} holding a [[Light Ball]], though this can only happen in {{game|Emerald}}, {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.
** A Pikachu knowing Surf and Volt Tackle can be obtained from [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]] by defeating [[Stargazer Colosseum]] for the first time.
** A Surfing Pikachu can also be won in Pokémon Stadium. Players must beat Prime Cup Master Ball R-2 using a team containing a Pikachu from the player's Game Pak. The Pikachu must be used in every battle, and no continues may be used. After successfully winning, the Pikachu will optionally be allowed to learn Surf.
** All of Lt. Surge's Pikachu and Raichu in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}} and [[Pokémon Stadium 2]] know Surf.
* Pikachu is the smallest and lightest [[version mascot]], likely owing to the fact that it is neither fully evolved nor legendary, unlike the rest.
* In the games, Pikachu is the first Pokémon to have its [[cry]] changed to that of its anime counterpart. This only happened in {{game|Yellow}}. [[Junichi Masuda]] details the modification of [[Ikue Ohtani]]'s voice to a sound capable of being made by the low-tech [[Game Boy]] in his [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=144 Director's Column]. In some parts of the game, though, Pikachu's original cry was used.
* Pikachu is in all six regional [[Pokédex]]es, though it is only known to be native to Kanto. It is imported from Kanto to Hoenn's Safari Zone and Mr. Backlot's house in Sinnoh.
* Pikachu is the first {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon in [[National Pokédex]] order.
* Pikachu is one of fourteen Pokémon that one can collect [[Meister|foreign Pokédex entries]] for in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
* Pikachu and {{p|Raichu}} share the same [[species]] name with {{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Raticate}}, {{p|Sandshrew}}, and {{p|Sandslash}}. They are all known as Mouse Pokémon, though Rattata and Raticate have also been called the Rat Pokémon.
* On {{ga|Red}}'s final team in [[Mt. Silver]] at the end of the [[Generation II]] games, Pikachu was once the highest leveled Pokémon to be faced in any Pokémon game, excluding the [[Pokémon Stadium series|Stadium]]/{{pkmn|Colosseum}}/{{pkmn|Battle Revolution}} series and the [[Battle Tower]]/[[Battle Frontier]], at level 81. This places it one level higher than the wild {{p|Arceus}} that appears at the [[Hall of Origin]]. However, since the release of {{game|Platinum}}, {{ga|Pearl}}'s final party includes several members that are higher leveled than {{ga|Red's Pikachu}}.
* Pikachu was not the original [[Pokémon]] mascot. It was supposed to be {{p|Clefairy}}, but this was changed because of the popularity of [[Ash's Pikachu]].
* Pikachu is the first Pokémon in the National Dex listing to have a [[Baby Pokémon|baby]] relative.
** This also makes it the first Pokémon in National Dex order to be related to a Pokémon of another generation.
* Pikachu is the only Pokémon included in the [[Pokémon Stadium (Japanese)|original Pokémon Stadium]] that was {{p|Raichu|capable of evolving further}} when the game was released. Strangely, Raichu was excluded from the said game.
* Pikachu is the only starter Pokémon which cannot be evolved in the game that it is the starter for.
* Pikachu is the only starter who has already evolved when it is received (though Pichu did not yet exist).
** Pikachu is also the only [[main series]] [[starter Pokémon]] that does not have a 7:1 male to female gender ratio.
*In 2008, Japanese researchers discovered a new protein which helps carry electrical impulses from the eyes to the brain and named it {{wp|Pikachurin}}. They based themselves on Pikachu for the choice of the name because they noticed that both Pikachu and the protein have amazing speed and agility.
* Pikachu has appeared in every non-special episode. Pikachu has also appeared in every Pokémon movie.
* Pikachu is the first Pokémon in Pokédex order to require an [[evolution stone]] to evolve.
* Although its [[Pokédex]] entry in Yellow states that a Pikachu will try to bite anyone that yanks its tail, Pikachu is unable to learn {{m|Bite}}.
* Pikachu's artwork and game sprites have become slimmer every generation.
===Origin===
Pikachu has physical aspects resembling several species of {{wp|rodent}}s, such as mice.
====Name origin====
Pikachu is a combination of ぴかぴか ''pikapika'' which is Japanese onomatopoeia for sparkle and ちゅうちゅう ''chūchū'' which is the sound of squeaking. It may be named after the {{wp|pika}}, a lagomorph, but this is less likely. "Pika" also means "quick" in {{wp|Finnish}}.

==In other languages==
* [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Pikachu
* [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Pikachu
* [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 피카츄 ''Pikachyu''
* [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 皮卡丘 ''Pí Ka Qiu'' - Transliteration of the original name.
* [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Hong Kong)]]: 比卡超 ''Bî Ka Chao'' - Transliteration of the original name.

==Related articles==
*[[Ash's Pikachu]]
*[[Puka]]
*[[Sparky]]
*[[Pikachu (PiPiPi)]]
*[[Ashachu]]
*[[Pika]]
*[[Chuchu]]
*[[Pikachu (TCG)]]

==External links==
* [[wp:Pikachu|Article on Wikipedia]]
*[http://www.witch-hunter.net/pikachu/ Electric Mouse], the fanlisting for Pikachu.

==Notes==
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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=electric | prevnum=024 | nextnum=026 | prev=Arbok | next=Raichu }}
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Red (game)

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{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Red |
jname=レッド |
tmname=Red |
slogan=no |
image=[[Image:FireRed LeafGreen Red.png|120px]] |
caption=Art from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Pallet Town]] |
region=[[Kanto]] |
relatives=Mother |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Player character]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|I}}, {{gen|II}}, {{gen|III}}, {{Gen|IV}} |
games={{game3|Red and Blue|Red, Blue|s}}, {{v2|Yellow}}, {{game3|Gold and Silver|Gold, Silver,|s}} {{v2|Crystal}}, {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|FireRed, LeafGreen|s}}, {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold, SoulSilver|s}}, {{pkmn|Stadium 2}} |
leader=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart=[[Ash Ketchum]], [[Ritchie]]
}}

'''Red''' (Japanese: '''レッド''') is the main [[Player character|playable character]] in the [[Generation I]] games and is the male choice in their [[Generation III]] remakes. In Generation III, his female counterpart is {{ga|Leaf}}.

==Story==
Red is a curious 11-year-old boy from [[Pallet Town]]. The [[Generation I]] instruction booklets explain that Red became interested in Pokémon after his best friend, {{ga|Blue}}, stopped playing with him and became a bully. His adventure begins one day when {{prof|Oak}} calls the two of them to his lab and gives them each a [[Starter Pokémon|choice of Pokémon]]. Blue challenges Red to a [[Pokémon battle]] as soon as they get their Pokémon. A bit later, Professor Oak calls the two back, gives them each a [[Pokédex]], and sends them on a journey to fulfil his dream of capturing every type of Pokémon.

Red travels all over Kanto, filling in the [[Pokédex]] and defeating [[Gym Leader]]s. His [[rival]] Blue constantly stays one step ahead, and shows up quite a few times to impede his progress. When Red eventually reaches the [[Elite Four]], he finds that Blue has beaten him to a milestone yet again and has become the [[Indigo League|league]] [[Pokémon champion|champion]]. Red defeats Blue in the final battle, and becomes the champion himself.

[[Image:Game character red.png|thumb|left|Red from Generation I]]

Red's main conflict in the games, aside from Blue, is [[Team Rocket]], an infamous group of Pokémon thieves. Red clashes with [[Team Rocket]] many times in his quest. He defeats a group of grunts at [[Mt. Moon]] who are attempting to steal rare Pokémon [[fossil]]s, and defeats another group ahead at a bridge in [[Cerulean City]]. Red protects the [[Pokémon Tower]] and [[Mr. Fuji]] in [[Lavender Town]] and destroys their hold on the [[Celadon Game Corner|Game Corner]]. After he foils their plot to take over [[Silph Co.]], Red encounters [[Giovanni]], the leader of Team Rocket, as the final Gym Leader in [[Viridian City]]. Upon defeating him, Red stops the group's world domination plots once and for all, though a few remaining grunts, many who appeared and were defeated by Red on [[Chrono Island]] in [[Generation III]], would band together in [[Johto]] to try and revive the group.

By the [[Generation II]] games, Red is no longer the Champion and [[Lance]] has taken his place. Red's title is simply "[[Pokémon Trainer]]" in this Generation. He trains constantly on [[Mt. Silver]] and doesn't say anything to any {{pkmn|Trainer}}s he may come across (which could be a nod to the fact that Red never really spoke in previous games). When {{ga|Gold}} or {{ga|Kris}} meets Red in Mt. Silver, Red has the strongest [[party]] of Pokémon (with static levels) an NPC opponent had ever had in the series, including a Level 81 {{p|Pikachu}}, until {{ga|Pearl}}'s team in {{game|Platinum}}.

Red also appears in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]] as the last trainer players face in the combined [[Gym Leader Castle]], after the defeat of all of the others.

{{-}}

==Optional names for Red==
{| align=left border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align=center
| [[Image:RBY Red.png]]
| [[Image:RGB_Red_Back.png‎]]
| [[Image:Y Red.png]]
| [[Image:Y Red Back.png]]
| [[Image:GSC Trainer Red.png]]
| [[Image:FRRed.png]]
| [[Image:‎FRLG_Red_Back.png‎]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Red sprite from [[Generation I]]
| Red backsprite from [[Generation I]]
| Red sprite from [[Pokémon Yellow]]
| Red backsprite from [[Pokémon Yellow]]
| Red sprite from [[Generation II]]
| Red sprite from [[Generation III]]
| Red backsprite from [[Generation III]]
|}

{{-}}

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language !! Red/Green/Blue/Yellow !! FireRed/LeafGreen
|-
|| English
||
-----
* Red
* {{Ash}}
* Jack
-----
* Blue
* Gary
* John
-----
* Yellow
* Ash
* Jack
-----
||
* Red
* Fire
* Green
* Leaf
* Ash
* Gary
* Geki
* Hiro
* Jak
* Janne
* Jon
* Jonn
* Kamon
* Karl
* Kay
* Kaz
* Kene
* Max
* Oscar
* Ralph
* Roak
* Toru
* Taylor
* Tosh
|-
|| Japanese
||
-----
* レッド (Red)
* サトシ (Satoshi)
* ジャック (Jack)
-----
* グリーン (Green)
* シゲル (Shigeru)
* ジョン (John)
-----
* ブルー (Blue)
* ツネカズ (Tsunekaz)
* ジャン (Jean)
-----
* イエロー (Yellow)
* サトシ (Satoshi)
* ジャック (Jack)
-----
||
* レッド (Red)
* ファイア (Fire)
* グリーン (Green)
* リーフ (Leaf)
* カモン (Kamon)
* ケイ (Kei)
* ケン (Ken)
* サトシ (Satoshi)
* サトル (Satoru)
* シゲキ (Shigeki)
* シゲル (Shigeru)
* ジャック (Jack)
* ジャン (Jean)
* ジョン (John)
* タカオ (Takao)
* タカシ (Takashi)
* タケヒロ (Takehiro)
* ツネカズ (Tsunekaz)
* テツオ (Tetsuo)
* トオル (Tōru)
* ヒトシ (Hitoshi)
* ヒロアキ (Hiroaki)
* ヒロキ (Hiroki)
* マサオ (Masao)
|-
|| German
||
-----
* Rot
* {{Ash}}
* Jack
-----
* Blau
* Gary
* John
-----
* Gelb
* Ash
* Jack
-----
||
* Rot
* Feuer
* Grün
* Blatt
* Bert
* Chris
* Daniel
* Gerd
* Hans
* Helge
* Jack
* Jan
* John
* Jon
* Ralf
* Rolf
* Sven
* Tobi
* Udo
* Uli
* Uwe
|-
|| French
||
* Red
* Sacha
* Paul
-----
* Blue
* Regis
* Jean
-----
* Yellow
* Sacha
* Paul
||
|-
|| Italian
||
* Rosso
* Ash
* Gigi
-----
* Blu
* Gary
* Pippo
-----
* Giallo
* Ash
* Gigi
||
|-
|| Spanish
||
* Rojo
* Ash
* Jaime
-----
* Azul
* Gary
* Juan
-----
* Gualdo
* Ash
* Jaime
||
|}

==Pokémon==
Red is the most highly skilled Trainer in the [[Generation II]] games. His team references {{game|Yellow}}, which is based on the {{pkmn|anime}}, causing many to call him {{Ash}}.

==={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}===
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==={{g|Stadium 2}}===
====Round 1====
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====Round 2====
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==In the [[Super Smash Bros.]] series==
[[Image:Pokemon Trainer in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.jpg|left|thumb|Red about to switch Pokémon.]]
[[Image:Red Brawl.jpg|thumb|right|Red in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] with his [[Pokémon]].]]
Red's hat actually was the first object that made an appearance in the Smash Bros. series, worn as one of the alternate outfits of {{p|Pikachu}}.

===Super Smash Bros. Brawl===
Red himself appears in Brawl, in his [[Generation III]] design, here named [[Pokémon Trainer]] (his actual name is not given in the game). He stands in the background and sends his Pokémon into the fight, which are alternated between {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}} in that order; each is a member of one of the [[Kanto]] [[Starter Pokémon|starter]] [[evolution]] families. His main stage, as well as {{p|Pikachu}}'s, is [[Pokémon Stadium 2 (stage)|Pokémon Stadium 2]], [[Spear Pillar]] and [[Pokémon Stadium (stage)|Melee Stages: Pokémon Stadium]]. He is voiced by [[Michele Knotz]] in the English version and 半場友恵 ''[[Tomoe Hanba]]'' in the Japanese version.

Instead of fighting like other characters in the game, Red battles using his [[Party|team]]. Their moves are as follows. Note that all three Pokémon's Final Smashes combine to form [[Final Smash#Triple Finish|Triple Finish]].

In terms of gameplay, Squirtle is very quick and good at rapid-fire close range attacks, but light and easily KO'ed. Ivysaur is a good all-around fighter with balanced range and abilities but is poor in mid-air maneuvers. Charizard is very powerful and its attacks have lots of knockback, but it is very slow - its flying and gliding abilities make it excellent at returning to the stage, however.

His Final Smash is [[Final Smash#Triple Finish|Triple Finish]]. It is a combination of Squirtle's Hydro Pump, Ivysaur's SolarBeam, and Charizard's Fire Blast.

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====Subspace Emissary====
The Pokémon Trainer is first encountered by [[wp:Lucas (Mother 3)|Lucas]] in The Ruined Zoo. For most of the game, the two are paired together. Pokémon Trainer's mission is to capture Charizard and Ivysaur while Lucas's is to save [[wp:List_of_EarthBound_characters|Ness]]. On their way to the Ruins, the two are ambushed by {{wp|Wario}}, who is eventually defeated by the two. Later in The Ruined Hall, they are attacked by Galleom. Once defeated, it sets off a timer bomb. Lucas saves Pokémon Trainer and they are then both saved by {{wp|Meta Knight}} who carries them away from the explosion, which sucks up Wario's trophy into Subspace. From then on the two join him, [[wp:Fire Emblem|Marth, and Ike]] on their quest to take down the Subspace Army.

====[[wp:Metal Gear|Codec]] information (on Shadow Moses Island)====
:'''{{wp|Solid Snake}}:''' ''"[[Pokémon Trainer]]... That's the guy giving [[Move|orders]] behind a Pokémon, right?"''
:'''[[wp:List of recurring Metal Gear characters#Roy Campbell|Roy Campbell]]:''' ''"Right, and this Pokémon Trainer is [[Caught Pokémon|controlling]] {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}}. They represent {{t|water}}, {{t|grass}}, and {{t|fire}}, and they're all [[Damage modification|powerful]]."''
:'''Solid Snake:''' ''"So he makes his Pokémon fight while he sits back and watches. Sounds like a good deal if you ask me."''
:'''Roy Campbell:''' ''"It's not like that, Snake. Those Pokémon wouldn't know what to do if the Pokémon Trainer [[Wild Pokémon|wasn't there giving orders]]. In every {{pkmn|battle}}, there's a soldier doing the fighting, and a commander telling him what to do. By working together as a [[Party|team]], they accomplish much more than either could on their own. So let's do this together, partner."''
:'''Solid Snake:''' ''"...Yeah... Whatever you say, Colonel."''

====Trophy information====
=====Pokémon Trainer=====
A person who [[Pokémon Breeder|raises Pokémon]] and [[Pokémon training|trains]] them as [[Party|partners]] in battle. In battle, a Trainer gives [[Move|orders]] to the Pokémon and uses [[item]]s. It's not an exaggeration to say {{pkmn|battle}}s can be won or lost on a Trainer's [[Damage modification#Critical hit|single strategic move]]. Trainers pour their [[Happiness|hearts]] into their Pokémon and share anger, sadness, and joy as they adventure in hopes of becoming [[Pokémon Master]]s.
=====Triple Finish=====
The Final Smash of the Pokémon Trainer. Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard join forces to simultaneously use {{m|Hydro Pump}}, {{m|SolarBeam}}, and {{m|Fire Blast}}. This is the only time all three of them appear on the screen together, so this move boasts the strength of three in one. A window will appear on the screen, but don't worry about it.

==In the TFG==
{{TFG ID|Next Quest|Red|42}} appears as a common trainer figure in the launch set, {{TFG|Next Quest}}, of the [[Pokémon Trading Figure Game]].

==Counterparts==
[[Ash Ketchum]] from the {{pkmn|anime}} and [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga was designed based on Red. Furthermore, Ash's name comes from one of the optional names for Red. This has caused many fans to mistake Red for his anime counterpart. However, they are analogous but not the same and using one's name for the other is always a mistake. There are also many fans that believe that the main hero from {{game|Yellow}} is Ash. This is also untrue. {{game|Yellow}}'s protagonist is still Red but slightly redesigned to look more similar to Ash, much like the storyline was designed to be closer to the anime. In other words, Ash in the anime is based on Red in the game series, but this cannot imply after all that they are the same. Although this idea is of the most debatable topics in Pokémon, thinking about the analogy between the two characters is more convenient than considering them totally similar.

Another anime counterpart could be [[Ritchie]], another character with a [[Sparky|Pikachu]], who some see as a "perfect" manifestation of Ash, and a more closely-designed character to the original Red.

Other counterparts include {{Special|Red}} from Pokémon Special manga, {{OBP|Satoshi|Zensho}} from [[Pokémon Zensho]] manga, [[Isamu Akai]] from [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|Pocket Monsters]] manga, who also made a cameo appearance in anime, and [[Shū]] from [[Pokémon Get da ze!]] manga.

==Trivia==
* When Red is encountered in [[Mt. Silver]] during [[Generation II]], he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. This is a reference to the fact that during [[Generation I]] he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions.
* Just like there is hardly any information on {{Ash}}'s father, the same is true of Red's father, except for this one mention, when the player examines one of the SNES's in the [[Celadon Department Store]] in [[Generation I]]: ''"A sports game! Dad'll like that!"'', suggesting that he does have some kind of presence.
* Until the release of {{game|Platinum}}, Red's team was at the highest level of any normal Trainer battle in the games (this excludes the Battle Tower and Battle Frontier, along with Stadium games and the like). His [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] had been the highest-leveled Pokémon one can face, as well, one level higher than {{p|Arceus}} in the wild. However, with the release of Platinum, the levels of the player's {{ga|Pearl|rival}}'s Pokémon have been boosted, and {{P|Magikarp}} can be found as high as level 100 in the [[Resort Area]]. Eventually his [[starter Pokémon]] will be level 85, and he has three other Pokémon that equal or exceed the level of Red's Pikachu.
* In the [[Super Smash Bros.]] series, Pokémon Trainer is the first Pokémon character, other than {{p|Pikachu}}, that didn't need to be unlocked.
* An unused default name for Red in the [[Generation I]] games was "[[Nintendo|NINTEN]]". Conversely, {{ga|Blue}}'s unused default name is "{{wp|Sony|SONY}}". While normally unviewable, changing a few addresses within the game's code can allow for these names to appear.[http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=308&o=0&p=20] This references the fact that in the years surrounding the releases of the Generation I games, Sony was Nintendo's main competition, and may possibly reference the {{wp|Ninten|main character}} of another Nintendo RPG, {{wp|Mother (video game)|Mother}}.
* The majority of his Japanese default names from [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] are shared with {{ga|Lucas}}.
* The three Kanto starter Pokémon used in his [[Generation II]] battle all have moves that appeared on their {{TCG|Base Set}} cards.

==In other languages==
* French: '''Red'''
* German: '''Rot'''
* Italian: '''Rosso'''
* Spanish: '''Rojo'''
* Korean '''레드''' ''Redeu''

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Pokémon Trainer

2009-07-16T01:42:25Z

Martonimos:

:''For the character in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] referred to as "Pokémon Trainer," see [[Red (game)]].''
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[[Image:Pokemon trainers.jpg|thumb|Pokémon Trainers: {{ga|Brendan}}, {{ga|May}}, {{ga|Blue}}, a [[Team Magma]] grunt, and a [[Team Aqua]] grunt.]]
A '''Pokémon Trainer''' (Japanese: '''ポケモントレーナー''' ''Pokémon Trainer'') is a person who {{pkmn2|caught|catches}}, {{pkmn|training|trains}}, cares for and {{pkmn|battle}}s with Pokémon. The majority of people within the known [[Pokémon world]] are all Trainers.

==Background==
Many Trainers leave home at about the age of ten, sometimes accompanied with a [[starter Pokémon]] obtained from a [[Pokémon professor]]. Many will travel around one or more [[region]]s, doing such things as gathering information for a [[Pokédex]], perfecting their technique, collecting [[badge]]s, and working to become a [[Pokémon master]]. No matter what their specialties or aims, there is one code that they all follow - when two Trainers make eye contact, they must have a battle.
[[Image:SugimoriTrainers.png|thumb|left|Trainers from different classes: A [[Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]], a [[Lass]], and a [[Bug Catcher]]]]
Pokémon Trainers come in all sorts of [[Trainer class|classes]]: [[Youngster]]s tend to stay close to home, and [[Bug Catcher]]s swarm about the {{t|Bug}}-filled forests; [[Hiker]]s traverse mountains and caves, and [[Cool Trainer]]s aspire to compete in the [[Pokémon League]]. A Trainer's class may reflect their Pokémon of choice, the areas they prefer, their technique, and their level of skill; however, even among their classes, Trainers may vary greatly.

Many towns have a [[Gym]] run by a strong and experienced Trainer known as a [[Gym Leader]]. Other Trainers may challenge a Gym Leader, and if the Gym Leader is defeated in battle, he or she awards them a Pokémon League [[badge]]. However, the Gym Leader may award the Trainer a badge for other reasons, since the badge is a symbol of the Trainer's skill. For example, [[Ash Ketchum]] won several of his early badges by refusing to take an unfair advantage or going out of his way to save a gym, which proved himself as an exceptional Trainer outside of battle.

Above the level of Gym Leaders are the [[Elite Four]] Trainers and {{pkmn|champion|Pokémon League champions}}. There are also a special class of Trainers known as the [[Frontier Brain]]s, but they are unique to {{game|Emerald}} and {{game|Platinum}}, and part of a privately owned institution known as the [[Battle Frontier]], and so may not be recognized by the League. These Trainers are considered the cream of the crop, and can only be challenged if a Trainer has met requirements such as winning eight badges. Should a Trainer defeat other Trainers at this level, it is not uncommon for him or her to be offered a place in these high ranks.

However, just as there are many Trainers with noble goals and lawful methods, there are also corrupt Trainers, including a number of [[villainous team]]s. These Trainers often use powerful Pokémon to take what they want and further their plans.

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl ==
{{main|Red (game)#In the Super Smash Bros. series|Red}}
*There is a {{player|playable character}} called "Pokémon Trainer" in the game [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. His appearance is based on {{ga|Red}}'s [[Generation III]] design, and he uses members of the [[evolution]] families of the [[Kanto]] {{pkmn2|starter}}s to battle against the others.

==Trivia==
* For ''[[DP005|Gettin' Twiggy With It!]]'', [[Professor Oak's lecture]] is about the Pokémon Trainer. He writes this [[Pokémon senryū]] about it: さあ10さい　ぼくもわたしも　トレーナー ''Sā jussai, boku mo watashi mo torēnā.'' "Ah, the age 10; we will all be Trainers."

===In other languages===
*Chinese (Cantonese): 寵物小精靈訓練員 (''Chungmatsiujingling Fanlinyuen'')
*Chinese (Mandarin): 神奇寶貝訓練師 (''Shénqíbaǒbeì Xùnliànshī'')
*French: ''Dresseur Pokémon''
*German: ''Pokémon-Trainer''
*Italian: ''Allenatore di Pokémon''
*Korean: 포켓몬 트레이너 (''Pocketmon Trainer'')
*Polish: ''Trener Pokémonów''
*Portuguese: ''Treinador Pokémon''
*Spanish: ''Entrenador Pokémon''

==See also==
* [[Trainer class]]

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History of Pokémon

2009-07-16T01:40:51Z

Martonimos:

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:''This article is about the history of the Pokémon media franchise. For other uses of "history", see [[History]].''
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[[Image:Satoshitajiri.jpg|right|frame|Satoshi Tajiri]]The '''history of the Pokémon media franchise''' spans over a decade from when work began officially on the first game to now, and has roots even older. It started simply enough as a hobby of [[Satoshi Tajiri]], who as a child had a fondness for catching {{wp|insect}}s and {{wp|tadpole}}s near his home in suburban {{wp|Tokyo}}. Over time, Tajiri decided to put his idea of catching creatures into practice because it would give children the same thrill as he had.

==Early days==
[[Image:ShiMiy.jpg|thumb|left|Shigeru Miyamoto]]With the help of [[Ken Sugimori]] and other friends, Tajiri formed [[Game Freak]] and much later the design studio known as [[Creatures]]. When Tajiri discovered the [[Game Boy]] and the [[Link cable|Game Boy Link Cable]], it gave him the image of insects traveling along the wire, which led to concept for a new game called ''[[Capsule Monsters]]''. After several failed attempts at pitching this idea to [[Nintendo]], Tajiri's new friend [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] pitched it to the company, and Nintendo began to fund the project, spending six years developing the games that would become a worldwide sensation. The original artwork for the games was drawn by Tajiri's friend, the artist [[Ken Sugimori]]. Before the first Pokémon games were released in Japan in 1996, sprites of {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Meowth}}, {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}} and {{p|Squirtle}} appeared in Game Freak's [[Game Boy Camera]] in 1995. Around this time, Nintendo decided to change the name "Capsule Monsters" to "Pocket Monsters."

==Generation I==
===Taking over Japan===
[[Image:Pokemon_green_box_ja.jpg|thumb|right|Pokémon Green Box]]The first [[Pokémon games]], [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]], came to the [[Nintendo]] [[Game Boy]] system in Japan on February 27th, 1996, which was the fulfillment of Satoshi Tajiri's dream and allowed people of all ages to [[Caught Pokémon|catch]], [[Pokémon training|train]] and [[trade]] {{cat|Generation I Pokémon|151 creatures}} and become a [[Pokémon Master]]. Due to high sales, Pokémon Red and Green were swiftly followed up with [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], which had improved graphics and sounds.

After the games, a [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] was developed by Media Factory with its own set of rules. The {{TCG|Base Set|first set}} of cards was released on October 20th, 1996, containing 102 cards, and became very popular.

The popularity of the franchise also led to an {{pkmn|anime}} series based on the games, [[EP001|premiering]] in Japan on April 1st, 1997. The main character was a young [[Pokémon Trainer]] named ''Satoshi'' (after [[Satoshi Tajiri]], later dubbed in English to [[Ash Ketchum]]), based on {{ga|Red}}. Another character introduced in the first episode was Satoshi's [[rival]], ''Shigeru'' (after [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], later dubbed in English to [[Gary Oak]]), based on {{ga|Blue}}.

The franchise also won many manga interpretations, the first being {{ma|Pocket Monsters}}. The more famous manga in the western world, however, is [[Pokémon Special]], [[Pokémon Special volume 1|the first volume of which]] was first published in Japan on August 8th, 1997.

[[Shogakukan]] published the first volume of ''[[Pokémon Wonderland]]'', a magazine with the latest information on the franchise, on August 23rd, 1997.

On April 25th, 1998, the first [[Pokémon Center (store)|''Pokémon Center'' store]] was opened in Tokyo, specializing in Pokémon merchandise. Along the way, [[The Pokémon Company]] began its operations. Many such stores were opened in later years, and today there are six different stores across Japan, as well as one in New York.

===Conquering the world===
North America received {{2v|Red|Blue}}, as well as the anime, in September 1998 (the anime on the 7th and the games on the 30th), and soon everywhere else began to play the games on the Game Boy under the slogan ''[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]''. The {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}} was also introduced to North America on January 9th, 1999 by [[Wizards of the Coast]].

[[Image:Anime_Ash.png|thumb|left|Ash Ketchum from the anime]]Meanwhile in Japan in 1998, a new spin-off game, {{Jap|Pokémon Stadium}}, was released for [[Nintendo 64]]. This game featured only 42 Pokémon of the full 151. This game proved to be commercially and critically unsuccessful..

The {{pkmn|anime}}, on the other hand, pushed the franchise to new heights. On July 18th, 1998, ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back|Pokémon the First Movie]]'' debuted in Japanese theaters, featuring the rare {{p|Mew}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}. In the United States, where it was released on November 10th, 1999, the movie even briefly held the record for highest-grossing opening for an animated film.

Plans soon started for a game based on the popular anime and {{v|Yellow}} was released September 12th, 1998 in Japan, October 25th, 1999 in North America and Europe. Pokémon Yellow allowed Trainers to take on the role of {{Ash}} and travel through [[Kanto]] with anime-style graphics for each Pokémon and a [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] by their side, following the anime's course of events.

===Expanding to spin-offs===
On December 18th, 1998 a [[Pokémon Trading Card Game (game)|Game Boy game based on the TCG]] was released, later arriving in North America on April 10th, 2000. It was followed, only in Japan, a year later by a sequel titled {{Card GB 2}}.

The anime, as well as {{game|Yellow}}, marked {{p|Pikachu}} as one of (if not ''the'') most popular and recognized creatures in Pokémon history. This led to a small spin-off game called [[Hey You, Pikachu!]], which was released in Japan on December 12th, 1998, and in North America on November 6th, 2000. This was a virtual-pet game, utilizing the [[Nintendo 64]]'s Voice Recognition Unit to let one interact verbally with Pikachu.

When the anime finished following the games story with {{Ash}}'s defeat in the [[Pokémon League]] in January 1999, it [[EP081|started]] a [[Pokémon: The Adventures in the Orange Islands|filler season]] in a new region called the [[Orange Archipelago]], introducing the new main character of [[Tracey Sketchit]]. During this season's time, a second movie, ''[[The Power of One|Pokémon the Movie 2000]]'', was produced. It was first in Japanese theaters on July 17th, 1999, and in North American theaters on July 21st, 2000.

A non-traditional spin-off game for [[Nintendo 64]], {{g|Snap}}, was released in Japan on March 21st, 1999, inviting the player (in the role of [[Todd Snap]], a character previously introduced in the anime) to a Pokémon photographing mission in a place called [[Pokémon Island]]. This game made its way to North America on July 27th, 1999.

On April 14th, 1999, a spin-off pinball game for the [[Game Boy Color]] was released, called {{g|Pinball}}. This game took all the mechanics of regular pinball, with some Pokémon aspects added in. Its North American release was on June 28th, 1999.

A sequel to the {{Jap|Pokémon Stadium}} was also eventually released in Japan on April 30th, 1999, and became a success. This game reached North America on February 29th, 2000, and became known there as the original {{Eng|Pokémon Stadium}}. The twist in the Stadium series from the [[version|main series]] was that it featured the Pokémon in 3D.

[[Image:Pokemon Live cover.jpg|thumb|right|''Pokémon Live!'' CD cover]]In September 2000, the anime-based puzzle game {{g|Puzzle League}} was released for [[Nintendo 64]]. This game was the only Pokémon game to be made specifically for western audiences and not be released in Japan.

However, this was not the only American-made original Pokémon material. From 2000 to 2002, an anime-based musical called ''[[Pokémon Live!]]'' was shown on stages around the world. The most memorable plot point in the musical was the revelation that {{Ash}}'s mother, {{Delia}}, used to be a friend of [[Giovanni]] when they were younger. The musical isn't considered [[canon]], but it sparked endless theories among fans regarding the identity of Ash's father.

==Generation II==
===Winds of new beginnings===
[[Image:JohtoII.png|thumb|left|A map of Johto]]Almost since the very beginning, it was known that 151 was not the end of things. {{p|Ho-Oh}} was seen as early as [[EP001|the first episode of the anime]], {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} was owned by a [[Misty|main character]], and others like {{p|Marill}}, {{p|Snubbull}} and {{p|Donphan}} were seen in [[Mewtwo Strikes Back|the first movie]]. Later, when [[Generation II|the second generation]] of Pokémon was drawing nearer, others like {{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Slowking}} and {{p|Elekid}} made their way to [[The Power of One|the second movie]].

On November 21st, 1999, Nintendo of Japan released {{2v|Gold|Silver}} for the then-new [[Game Boy Color]]. This time, {{pkmn|Trainer}}s were invited to the land of [[Johto]], where {{cat|Generation II Pokémon|100 more Pokémon}} were waiting to be captured.

The new games enhanced the Pokémon gaming experience by adding many new features, the most famous of which probably being [[gender]]s for most Pokémon, which allowed for {{pkmn|breeding}}. Also, [[time]] came into play, which allowed for differing events in the day, night, and morning, and [[days of the week]]. Another important addition was the [[happiness]] system. [[Alternate coloration]] also first appeared, most importantly the [[Red Gyarados]] at the [[Lake of Rage]]. Trainers could also return to [[Kanto]] and face the [[Gym Leader]]s that existed in the original games. Pokémon Gold and Silver made its way to North America on October 11th, 2000.

The anime followed, of course, and {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr|his friends}} also arrived at Johto in [[EP117|an episode]] that aired in Japan on October 14th, 1999 and in the US on October 14th, 2000. ''[[Spell of the Unown|Pokémon 3: The Movie]]'' was then released to theaters on July 8th, 2000 in Japan and on April 6th, 2001 in North America, featuring the legendary {{p|Entei}}.

A new trading card set called [[Neo Genesis]] featured the first Generation II Pokémon to the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}}. It was released in Japan on December 10, 1999 and in USA on December 16, 2000.

A sequel to {{g|Puzzle League}} was released on September 21st, 2000 for [[Game Boy Color]], this time in Japan, titled {{g|Puzzle Challenge}}. It made its way to North America on December 4th, 2000.

[[Image:Stadium2.jpg|thumb|right|Pokémon Stadium 2 Box]]On December 14th, 2000, a sequel to the Stadium series was released in Japan called {{g|Stadium 2}}, bringing the [[Generation II]] Pokémon into full 3D for the first time. This game reached North America on March 25th, 2001.

Like Pokémon Yellow, a [[third version]] was made in Japan called {{v|Crystal}} and was released December 14th, 2000 in Japan and July 21st, 2001 in North America. Pokémon Crystal had several changes made. {{p|Suicune}} was the title character and the focus of the plot. This was also the first portable Pokémon game that featured animations for every Pokémon. Trainers in Japan received an added bonus of receiving the Pokémon known as {{p|Celebi}} through a wireless link, and also being able to trade wirelessly using a cellphone and the Mobile Adapter. Trainers were, for the first time, allowed to choose their character's [[gender]].

===Anime and manga in GS===
On December 30th, 2000, the first feature-length special of the Pokémon anime was released in Japan as a sequel to ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', titled ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]''. It was later released on DVD in the United States on December 5th, 2001.

Another movie, ''[[Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]'', debuted in theaters in Japan on July 7th, 2001, and in North America on October 25th, 2002. It featured two [[legendary Pokémon]] prominent in {{game|Crystal}}: {{p|Celebi}} and {{p|Suicune}}.

The [[Pokémon Special]] manga finally caught up to the second generation on August 8th, 2001, when [[Pokémon Special volume 8|Volume 8]] was published in Japan, starting [[Gold, Silver & Crystal chapter (Special)|a new chapter]].

{{p|Raikou}}, the only member of the [[Legendary Beasts]] yet to be featured in an anime movie, received its own made-for-TV special, ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', on December 30th, 2001. This special didn't feature {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr|his friends}}, but rather new characters based on the [[player character]]s of the second generation.

On July 13th, 2002, the fifth and last movie of the [[original series]], ''[[Pokémon Heroes]]'', was released in Japanese theaters. Distributed on limited release by [[Miramax]], it opened in select American theaters on May 16th, 2003.

==Generation III==
===Advancing to a new age===
[[Image:207episode.jpg|left|thumb|The first Kecleon]]In July 2001 [[EP205|an episode]] of the anime aired in Japan featuring a Pokémon never previously seen - {{p|Kecleon}}. Soon, Kecleon and others like {{p|Wynaut}}, {{p|Azurill}}, {{p|Duskull}} and {{p|Volbeat}} showed up in theaters in 2 [[PK11|Pikachu]] [[PK12|shorts]] while {{p|Wailmer}}, {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}} were featured in [[Pokémon Heroes|the fifth]] Pokémon movie. During the [[Silver Conference]] Ash battled {{jo|Harrison}}, a Trainer from [[Littleroot Town]] in [[Hoenn]]. [[Professor Birch]], along {{p|Poochyena|with}} {{p|Lotad|other}} {{p|Sharpedo|Pokémon}}, made a cameo in ''[[EP272|Johto Photo Finish]]''. Through them, it became known that the next generation of Pokémon was just around the corner.

Indeed, a major overhaul of the game series occurred when Pokémon arrived on the [[Game Boy Advance]] on November 21st, 2002 when {{2v|Ruby|Sapphire}} were released in Japan. Trainers found themselves in the southern land called [[Hoenn]] where {{cat|Generation III Pokémon|135 new Pokémon}} were waiting to be discovered. The games reached North America on March 18th 2003 and had many new features, the most prominent ones being [[Pokémon Contests]], [[double battle]]s, Pokémon [[abilities]] and [[natures]] for each Pokémon, along with the reform of [[effort values]] and [[individual values]]. Also new in these versions were the more detailed [[weather conditions]] and the new villains: [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]]. Due to the overhaul in the system, however, this generation was not compatible with earlier generations.

The anime started a new series, [[Advanced Generation series|Advanced Generation]], which [[AG001|started]] in Japan on the same day as the release of the games, and reached North America almost a year later. A lot was changed in this series, including the introduction of a new main character, {{an|May}}, based on her game counterpart. Two new movies were produced during the time in [[Hoenn]]: ''[[Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'' (which was released on July 19th, 2003 in Japan and on June 1st, 2004 on video and DVD in North America) and ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]'' (which was released on July 17th, 2004 in Japan and on January 22nd, 2005 on North American television).

Around the same time of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, a show called ''[[Weekly Pokémon Broadcasting Station]]'' began to air weekly in Japan, focusing not on {{Ash}}, but on other characters of the anime, such as [[Misty]], [[Brock]], {{Tracey}}, {{Gary}}, [[Ritchie]], {{an|Casey}} and [[Sakura]]. The English dubbed version, ''[[Pokémon Chronicles]]'', first aired in the United Kingdom in May 2005, finally dubbing ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' special to English along the way, three and a half years after its original Japanese airing.

[[Nintendo]] transferred the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}} license from [[Wizards of the Coast]] to itself in 2003, and released {{TCG|EX Ruby & Sapphire|its first set}} on January 31st, introducing new game mechanics and a new card design. This set was released in North America on June 18th, 2003.

===More spin-offs===
To solve the problem of limited Pokémon storage in the continuously growing Pokémon world, {{g|Box Ruby & Sapphire}} was released May 30th 2003 in Japan, July 11th 2004 in North America, allowing Trainers to store up to 1,500 Pokémon from their Generation III games.

A small spin-off game named {{g|Channel}} for [[Nintendo GameCube|GameCube]] was released in Japan on July 13th, 2003, about a TV-broadcasting network that airs a variety of Pokémon programs, with the player as test audience. This game also included a unique anime episode, ''[[Pichu Bros. in Party Panic]]'', and it reached North America on December 1st, 2003.

On July 28th, 2003, [[Pokémon Special volume 15|Volume 15]] of the [[Pokémon Special]] manga was first published, starting [[Ruby & Sapphire chapter (Special)|another chapter]] for the manga, following the third generation story.

A sequel to {{g|Pinball}} met the third generation in {{g|Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire}} for [[Game Boy Advance]] on August 1st, 2003 in Japan and on August 23rd, 2003 in North America.

The 3D version of [[Generation III]] came in the form of {{g|Colosseum}} on November 21st, 2003 in Japan and March 22nd, 2004 in North America on the [[Nintendo GameCube|GameCube]]. Unlike the [[Pokémon Stadium series]], this game also featured an RPG taking place in the desolate [[region]] of [[Orre]]. The main new addition to the Pokémon universe in this game was [[Shadow Pokémon]].

===Back to Kanto and onward to the Battle Frontier===
[[Image:Pokemon_FireRed_boxart_EN-US.jpg|thumb|right|Pokémon FireRed Version Box]]On January 29th, 2004, two new [[version|games]] were released in Japan: {{2v|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. They arrived in North America on September 9th, 2004, and were remakes of {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, only in Generation III standards, wireless connection and with an added region - the [[Sevii Islands]]. They also gave [[Event Pokémon]] {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences|two additional forms]] which could only be obtained by moving Deoxys over to those games.

Not finished with the [[Hoenn]] story, Game Freak developed a third version to go with Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, called {{v|Emerald}}. This game was released in Japan on September 16th, 2004, and in North America on May 1st, 2005. Emerald featured the same wireless connection as in FireRed and LeafGreen, as well as a return to Hoenn with many new features, including the Hoenn {{ho|Battle Frontier}}, re-battling Gym Leaders, changes in plot and animations for all Pokémon, like in Pokémon Crystal.

The {{pkmn|anime}} [[AG132|caught up]] with both the Generation I remakes and Emerald by having the group travel back to [[Kanto]] and face the Kanto {{ho|Battle Frontier}} there. During this season's time two more movies were produced: ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'' (premiering in Japan on July 16th, 2005) and ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'' (debuting in Japanese cinemas on July 15th, 2006).

On August 28, 2006, [[Pokémon Special volume 22| volume 22]] of the [[Pokémon Special]] was published, starting the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}, and on June 23, 2007, [[Pokémon Special volume 26| volume 26]] of the [[Pokémon Special]] was published, starting the {{chap|Emerald}}.

===Original new concepts===
A spin-off racing game called {{g|Dash}} was released in Japan on December 2nd, 2004 and in North America on March 14th, 2005. It was the first of many Pokémon games to come made for [[Nintendo DS]].

On August 4th, 2005, Trainers were invited back to [[Orre]] in {{g|XD: Gale of Darkness}}, a sequel to {{g|Colosseum}} taking place about five years later. This game found its way to North America on October 3rd, 2005.

A spin-off puzzle game, {{g|Trozei!}}, was released on October 20th, 2005 in Japan and on March 6th, 2006 in North America. The game had a story mode, which followed [[Lucy Fleetfoot]] as she attempted to take down the [[Phobos Battalion]].

Starting with the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]] expansion {{TCG|EX Delta Species}}, which was released on October 28th, 2005 in Japan and 3 days later in the United States, a new special kind of Pokémon called {{TCG|δ Delta Species}} was introduced. δ Delta Species Pokémon were found only in a few TCG expansions, and were given a backstory involving a new region called [[Holon]].

[[Image:Ranger_box.jpg|thumb|left|210px|Pokémon Ranger Box]]A new concept saw light on November 17th, 2005, with [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 1|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] - a pair of games, one for [[Game Boy Advance]] and one for [[Nintendo DS]] - in which the {{player}} is turned into a Pokémon at the beginning of the game. The games, that were released in North America on September 18th, 2006, have received adaptations in the anime episode ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]'' and the manga series ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Ginji's Rescue Team]]''.

Another new twist on Pokémon came in the spin-off [[Nintendo DS]] game {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} on March 23rd, 2006. This time, players didn't play regular [[Pokémon Trainer]]s, but {{OBP|Pokémon Ranger|Ranger series}}s traveling the land of [[Fiore]] with a device called the [[Capture Styler]] instead of [[Poké Ball]]s. It was released in the North America on October 30th, 2006. The game was also promoted in the anime through the appearance of Pokémon Rangers in [[AG155|the main series]], [[AG171|a special episode]] and [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|the ninth movie]].

===Ten years of Pokémon===
2006 was marked officially as Pokémon's tenth anniversary, and was celebrated as such in many ways, such as [[Pokémon 10th Anniversary Journey Across America|Journey Across America]]. Among other things, an English CD was released titled ''[[Pokémon X]] - 10 Years of Pokémon''.

On April 29th, 2006, a special episode of the {{pkmn|anime}} called ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]'' was broadcast in the United States. This was the first episode to use [[The Pokémon Company International]]'s new voice actors (Pokémon USA at the time), causing big [[Pokémon USA recasting controversy|controversy]] among the Pokémon fan community. The special was eventually broadcast in Japan as streaming video from the TV Tokyo ''Anitele'' web site from October 13th to October 31st, 2006.

In fall 2006, another section of the Pokémon franchise was created in the form of the [[Pokémon Trading Figure Game]] in Europe, Australia, and Southeast Asia, made by {{wp|Kaiyodo}}. The figures reached North America and Japan in 2007.

==Generation IV==
===Diamond and Pearl===
[[Image:Lucariodvdfc0.jpg|thumb|right|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]Just like with {{p|Kecleon}} in [[Generation III]], the public learned of [[Generation IV]] through a new Pokémon - {{p|Munchlax}} - in May 2004. Munchlax was soon featured in {{g|Dash}}, as well as [[Destiny Deoxys|the seventh movie]] and later [[May's Munchlax|the main anime]]. Others such as {{p|Lucario}}, {{p|Bonsly}}, {{p|Mime Jr.}} and {{p|Weavile}} then made their way to [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|the eighth movie]], and {{p|Mantyke}}, {{p|Buizel}} and {{p|Chatot}} appeared in [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|the ninth]], which featured {{p|Manaphy}} - a new [[legendary Pokémon]] that even became obtainable in {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}.

{{2v|Diamond|Pearl}} were eventually released for [[Nintendo DS]] in Japan on September 28th, 2006, and in North America on April 22nd, 2007. Along with {{cat|Generation IV Pokémon|107 new Pokémon}} in the new huge land of [[Sinnoh]], these games offered an actual 3D rendering of the overworld, the return of the [[time]] system, [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences between Pokémon]], a split between [[physical move|physical]] and [[special move]]s, and [[Pokémon Super Contest]]s.

The anime [[Diamond & Pearl series]] [[DP001|started]] in Japan and in the US in synchronization with the release of the games. Like the previous series, it introduced a new female character, {{an|Dawn}}, based on her game counterpart.

The three {{pkmn|movie}}s of this series, while so far being only partway through, form a continuous trilogy. The first part of the trilogy, ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'', premiered on July 14th, 2007 in Japanese theaters, and aired on February 24th, 2008 on North American televisions. The [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|second part]] premiered in Japan on July 19th, 2008, and aired on February 13th, 2009 on North American televisions.

A new [[Diamond & Pearl (TCG)|TCG set]] was released in Japan on November 30, 2006 and in the USA on May 23, 2007, featuring the new Pokémon from [[Sinnoh]].

===New sequels===
[[Image:PBRAmerican.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Pokémon Battle Revolution Box]]On December 14th, 2006, two weeks after the launch of Nintendo's [[Wii]] console, [[Generation IV]] Pokémon turned 3D in the form of {{g|Battle Revolution}}. It was released in the United States on June 25th, 2007.

The [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|paired sequels for]] [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 1|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] for [[Nintendo DS]] were released in Japan on September 13th, 2007 and in North America on April 20th, 2008. Just like before, {{an|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|an anime adaptation}} was also produced. It was followed by a third version, [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Explorers of Sky]], which was released in Japan on April 18th, 2009. Just like the third versions of the main series, Explorers of Sky had additional content. {{an|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky|Another anime adaptation}} was produced as well.

{{OBP|Pokémon Ranger|Ranger series}}s were also brought into the fourth generation in a sequel called {{g|Ranger: Shadows of Almia}}, set in the new land of [[Almia]]. It was released in Japan on March 20th, 2008 and in North America on November 10th, 2008. [[DP071|An anime special]] was also produced, and aired on the same day as the Japanese release.

Like with Pokémon Box in Generation III, a storage game titled [[My Pokémon Ranch]] was released on March 25th, 2008 in Japan and on June 9th, 2008 in North America, featuring the character of [[Hayley]].

The third [[version]] of [[Generation IV]], {{v|Platinum}}, was released on September 13th, 2008 in Japan and on March 22nd, 2009 in North America, bringing new [[Form differences|Pokémon forms]] into the ring for {{p|Giratina}}, {{p|Shaymin}}, and {{p|Rotom}}, as well as updates similar to those found in Pokémon Emerald.

==The future of Pokémon==
[[Image:HGSS logo.png|right|thumb|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver's logos]]The history of the Pokémon media franchise already spans long over a decade, and is rich with four [[generation]]s, many [[version|main series games]], [[Spin-off Pokémon games|spin-off games]], a {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}}, three series of {{pkmn|anime}} complete with 12 {{pkmn|movie}}s, many series of {{pkmn|manga}}, [[Pokémon Live!|a musical]], and plenty of {{cat|music}}, but it is far from over.

{{game|Platinum}} was first released in Japan on September 13, 2008, with subsequent releases in North America on March 22, 2009, and PAL regions staggered through May 2009. This game ended the [[Generation IV]] story set in the Sinnoh region, but like [[Generation III]] brought about remakes for the incompatible [[Generation I]] {{pkmn|FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|games}}, a remake of the [[Generation II]] Pokémon games, {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, has been confirmed to be released for the [[Nintendo DS]] titled {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. The paired games will be available September 12, 2009 in Japan.

The thirteenth {{pkmn|movie}} has been announced, but not much is known about it. The film is to be released in July of 2009.

It is widely believed that a [[Future generations of Pokémon|fifth generation of Pokémon]] is inevitable, and that the [[Pokémon world]] will continue to grow with it. While no official announcement has been made by the game developers, anime director [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] said in an interview that there will definitely be a fifth generation of Pokémon. The new generation will probably extend the Pokémon universe in similar fashion as the older generations did, with new Pokémon, a new region, new characters and features. However, no details have been confirmed and there is only a vague picture of the future of Pokémon: only time shall tell.

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Poké Ball

2009-07-16T01:40:18Z

Martonimos:

{{Featured}}
[[Image:Pokeball.jpg|thumb|right|A Poké Ball as seen in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
A '''Poké Ball''' (Japanese: '''モンスターボール''' ''Monster Ball'') is a type of [[item]] critical in any {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s quest. It is used for {{pkmn2|caught|catching}} and storing [[wild Pokémon]]; a {{pkmn|Trainer}} may carry as many Poké Balls and ball variants as he or she desires. However, a Trainer may only carry up to six [[Pokémon]] at a time in their [[party]]. Therefore, if a Trainer owns more than six Pokémon, they may be stored in a [[Pokémon storage system]], and withdrawn or deposited at any [[Pokémon Center]]. There are four different basic levels of Poké Ball, and over a dozen variations on the Poké Ball design throughout the games.

A Poké Ball's strength is determined by how much it raises a wild Pokémon's [[catch rate]]. Many Poké Balls' strengths change based on certain conditions.

A Poké Ball also limits the strength of the Pokémon inside it.

In the distant past, according to the manga adaptation of [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]], Pokémon were referred to as
''majuu'' (魔獣, or "magical beasts"). This implies that the name Pokémon did not come into common parlance as a term until the Poké Ball's advent allowed Pokémon to be stored in pockets.

==Mechanics==
[[Image:Open PokeBall.gif|frame|right|Interior of a Poké Ball from the anime]]
Though the technology behind the workings of a Poké Ball remains unknown, the basic mechanics are fairly simple to understand. In a {{pkmn|battle}}, once the opposing [[wild Pokémon]] has been weakened, the {{pkmn|Trainer}} will throw a Poké Ball at it. Assuming the Poké Ball hits it and is not dodged or hit back to the Trainer, the Poké Ball will open, convert the wild Pokémon to an energy form, pull the energy into its hollow center, and then close. The wild Pokémon will then be given the chance to struggle to try and escape the Poké Ball. If it escapes, in the anime, the Poké Ball flies back towards the Trainer, while in the games, the Poké Ball bursts open and cannot be reused. If it does not escape, the wild Pokémon will be {{pkmn2|caught}}.

As seen in anime episodes like ''[[AG065|Gulpin it Down!]]'' and ''[[AG104|Claydol Big and Tall]]'', normal Poké Balls have difficulty catching extremely large and heavy Pokémon, to the point that the Pokémon will not even be taken entirely into the Poké Ball. The latter of these episodes shows how ancient civilizations overcame this issue: to catch and hold a very large Pokémon, they constructed a very large Poké Ball out of stone. However, giant stone Poké Balls are nearly impossible to use, so with the advancement of technology a better solution came in the form of Heavy Balls.
[[Image:PokeballWrong.PNG|thumb|left|Common misspelling, "Pokéball", seen in an official Pokémon [[A Sneak Peek at Pokémon|promotional video]]]]
Besides catching new Pokémon, Poké Balls are also used to store caught Pokémon. A Trainer can have six Poké Balls with Pokémon in them at one time. When starting a battle, he or she can throw out one or more of these onto the battlefield, and they will open, releasing their Pokémon quickly. When a Trainer wants to recall their Pokémon, they simply hold up the Poké Ball and point it at their Pokémon, and a beam will come from the Poké Ball's button, converting the Pokémon into energy again and drawing it back in. If this beam hits a person for any reason, that person will be momentarily stunned. Also, some Pokémon know how to enter and leave their Poké Balls at will, several examples being [[Jessie's Seviper]] (only when {{p|Zangoose}} are involved), [[Jessie's Wobbuffet]], [[May's Skitty]], and more famously, [[Misty's Psyduck]] and [[Brock's Croagunk]]. Also, if a Pokémon is being sent out, but does not wish to exit its Poké Ball, when the flash of light emerges from the Poké Ball, it will make a u-turn back to the open ball, turn red, and re-enter the Poké Ball. This happened in ''[[EP031|Dig Those Diglett!]]'', when [[Gary Oak]] attempted to send out several unnamed Pokémon to battle the wild {{p|Diglett}}. It also happened when {{Ash}} attempted to send out his {{AP|Squirtle}} (though before he threw the ball, {{AP|Pikachu}} yelled something to Squirtle), and when numerous Trainers attempted to send out their Pokémon.
[[Image:Chimchar release.jpg|[[Paul]] releasing {{AP|Chimchar}}|thumb]]
Poké Balls are not always at full size. Tapping the button on the front can convert it from full size, about the same size as a {{wp|Baseball (object)|baseball}}, to a miniature size, about the same size as a {{wp|Table tennis#The ball|ping-pong ball}}. This smaller size is more useful for storage, being small enough to carry in pockets or on belts.

Poké Balls presumably can communicate with a Trainer's [[Pokédex]], since the system updates itself with new caught Pokémon information, and keeps track of how many full Poké Balls the Trainer has on-hand. If the Trainer catches a new Pokémon while their team of six is full, it will be transported to the [[Pokémon storage system]] they are using. They also have the ability to "mark" their catches - as shown in ''[[DP002|Two Degrees of Separation]]'', when Dawn attempts to catch [[Ash's Pikachu]] - so that they cannot be caught by other Poké Balls once caught. This has shown some inconsistency in the series, particularly in older episodes such as in ''[[EP073|Bad to the Bone]]'' when Jessie throws a Poké Ball at [[Otoshi]]'s Doduo which has to be reflected by Otoshi himself, like in the games.

When a Pokémon is released from its ball, it usually has a burst of light come out with it, which varies depending on the Ball the Pokémon is contained in (normally a white light in the anime).
[[Image:RealeasingPokemon.png|thumb|Sending out a Pokémon in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}]]
However, when a [[Ball Capsule]] and [[seal]]s are used, visual effects will accompany the Pokémon's release. It has also been shown that if a Pokémon is sent out with a blue light, that Pokémon will be released and will be able to go back into the wild (in the anime, one can also break the Poké Ball, like in the cases of [[Brock]] and [[Jessie]], while releasing {{p|Ninetales}} and {{TP|Jessie|Dustox}}, respectively.)

==Poké Ball accuracy==
Poké Balls obviously do not always succeed in catching the Pokémon (except where Master Balls are concerned), but in some cases, it's possible for a Poké Ball to not even come into contact with the wild Pokémon.

*In [[Generation I]], there was a chance that a Poké Ball could miss the target, the message coming up "You missed the Pokémon!". This usually happens within the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] or while battling a {{p|Chansey}}, {{p|Snorlax}} or [[Legendary Pokémon]]. In the case of the Legendary Pokémon, a [[status ailment]] such as [[Paralysis]] would need to be inflicted upon it in order for the thrown Ball to hit its target.
*In [[Lavender Town]]'s [[Pokémon Tower]], the [[Literal ghost|ghosts]] would dodge any thrown ball, as would the ghost of the {{p|Marowak}} (even after being unmasked by the [[Silph Scope]]).
*In [[Generation IV]], if in a [[double battle]] with two wild Pokémon and one of the five partners, the player needs to knock out one of the Pokémon before attempting to catch the other. If not, the game does not allow either to be caught, with the message of "It's no good! It's impossible to aim when there are two Pokémon!" This is a contradiction to {{g|Colosseum}} and {{g|XD: Gale of Darkness}}, in which it is possible to snag a Pokémon even when there are two on the opponent's side of the field, although it's possible that the abilities of the [[Snag Machine]] somehow negated this issue.

==Types of Poké Ball==
===[[Generation I]] Poké Balls===
====In the games====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{red color dark}}"
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Artwork
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Name
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Catch rate
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Notes
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Price
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriPokeBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallPokéstatus.png]] Poké Ball (モンスターボール ''Monster Ball'')
| 1×
| None
| {{PDollar}}200
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriGreatBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallGreatstatus.png]] Great Ball (スーパーボール ''Super Ball'')
| 1.5×
| None
| {{PDollar}}600
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriUltraBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallUltrastatus.png]] Ultra Ball (ハイパーボール ''Hyper Ball'')
| 2×
| None
| {{PDollar}}1200
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriMasterBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallMasterstatus.png]] Master Ball (マスターボール ''Master Ball'')
| 255×
| Guaranteed to catch any wild Pokémon{{fn|1}}
| —
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:FanSaf.PNG]]
| [[Image:BallSafaristatus.png]] Safari Ball (サファリボール ''Safari Ball'')
| 1.5×
| For use in the {{color2|000|Safari Zone}} only
| —
|-
| colspan="7" style="font-size: small; background: #{{red color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" |

* {{fnb|1}} There is a {{color2|000|Literal ghost|ghost}} {{pcolor|Marowak|000}} in the {{color2|000|Pokémon Tower}} that not even the Master Ball can catch.
|}
{{-}}

These Poké Balls were first introduced in Generation I and have appeared in each game since, with the exception of the Safari Ball which did not appear in the second Generation of games.

The Poké Ball is considered the most basic and universal form of Ball. Nearly every [[Poké Mart]] carries it or one of its two upgrades, the Great Ball and Ultra Ball. The only known place where these three Balls are not plentiful is [[Orre]], due to its lack of wild Pokémon. With the discovery of [[Poké Spot]]s, however, they are becoming more commonly available in this region as well.

The Master Ball is the final and best upgrade of the Poké Ball, as well as the most rare. It was developed by [[Silph Co.]], but only a few were created before [[Team Rocket]] invaded and the project was discontinued. Master Balls are now given only to esteemed Pokémon researchers. Because of this, only one can be found normally in each game (though it can be won in all other generations after the first; it is the grand prize for the [[Lucky Channel|Lucky Number show]], [[Lilycove Department Store|Lilycove City's Lottery]], and at [[Jubilife TV]]). It could be sold for {{PDollar}}0 in Generations I and II, but in later Generations the Poké Marts would refuse it.

The Safari Ball is the only one of the original Poké Ball forms that is not considered one of the basic Poké Ball types. When playing a game in the [[Safari Zone]], thirty of these will be provided to catch Pokémon with. If the game ends before all thirty are used, the remainder are returned when leaving the Safari Zone. It is as strong as a Great Ball, but catching Pokémon is often more difficult with it due to the fact that there are no formal {{pkmn|battle}}s with Pokémon in the Safari Zone.

=====List of Master Ball locations in the games=====
{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Generation
! Game(s)
! Location
! Requirements
! Notes
|-
| {{Gen|I}}
| {{game|Green}}, {{2v|Red|Blue}}, {{game|Yellow}}
| [[Silph Co.]]
| Talk to the president after defeating [[Giovanni]].
|
|-
| {{Gen|II}}
| {{3v|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
| [[Professor Elm]]'s laboratory
| Talk to Professor Elm after earning the first eight badges.
|
|-
| {{Gen|II}}
| {{3v|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
| [[Johto Radio Tower]]
| Match all 5 numbers in the [[Lucky Number Show]].
|
|-
| {{Gen|III}}
| {{game|Ruby}}
| [[Magma Hideout]], [[Maxie]]'s office
| None
| Entrance is blocked off after battling {{p|Groudon}} (Ruby only).
|-
| {{Gen|III}}
| {{game|Sapphire}}, {{game|Emerald}}
| [[Aqua Hideout]], [[Archie]]'s office
| None
| Entrance is blocked off after battling {{p|Kyogre}} (Sapphire only).
|-
| {{Gen|III}}
| {{3v|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}
| [[Lilycove Department Store]]
| Defeat the rival in front of the store, match all 5 numbers in the lottery.
|
|-
| {{Gen|III}}
| {{g|Colosseum}}
| [[Agate Village]]
| Receive incomplete email from [[Eagun]] in [[Realgam Tower]]
| Eagun's email is cut off before it can mention the Master Ball.
|-
| {{Gen|III}}
| {{Pokémon XD}}
| [[Pokémon HQ Lab]]
| Talk to [[Professor Krane]] before heading to [[Citadark Isle]]
|
|-
| {{Gen|III}}
| {{2v|FireRed|LeafGreen}}
| [[Silph Co.]]
| Talk to the president after defeating [[Giovanni]]
|
|-
| {{Gen|IV}}
| {{3v|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}
| [[Galactic Veilstone Building]]
| Defeat [[Cyrus]]
|
|-
| {{Gen|IV}}
| {{3v|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}
| [[Jubilife TV]]
| Earn the {{badge|Coal}}, defeat the [[Galactic Grunt]]s near the northern exit of [[Jubilife City]], match all 5 numbers in the lottery.
|
|-

|}

=====Super Smash Bros. Series=====
Normal Poké Balls are also an item in the ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' series. When thrown, on top of doing a small amount of damage to any opposing character they may hit, they release a randomly selected Pokémon.

=====[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] Trophy information=====
These balls are used to catch and contain wild Pokémon. Most Pokémon must be weakened in some way before they can be caught, but once they're inside a Poké Ball, they enjoy their new home, since Poké Balls contain an environment specially designed for Pokémon comfort. Master Balls are the strongest type.

====In the anime====
[[File:Poké Ball anime.png|thumb|A Poké Ball in the anime]]
Beyond any doubt, the original Poké Ball is the most commonly used type of Ball in the anime. The vast majority of Pokémon are stored in regular Poké Balls, to the point that large collections of Poké Balls can be seen with no variations among them. Even [[Ash's Pikachu]], which spends all of its time out of its Poké Ball, is shown to have a regular Poké Ball with a little lightning bolt drawn on it in ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]''. On the other hand, the Great Ball and Ultra Ball upgrades are very rare or even non-existent.
[[File:Master ball.png|left|thumb|[[Sullivan]]'s Master Ball]]
A Master Ball has been seen in ''[[AG075|Whiscash and Ash]]''. It was used by [[Sullivan]] in his attempt to catch a {{p|Whiscash}}. However, despite the fact that the Master Ball cannot be escaped from, he did not catch the Whiscash; instead, the Pokémon swallowed it whole and escaped back into the water. However, much time prior, a Master Ball sort of appeared, albeit as a beach ball in ''[[EP018|Beauty and the Beach]]'', and after in ''[[EP167|A Hot Water Battle]]''.

Safari Balls were seen in [[EP035]]. In this episode, {{Ash}} received thirty with which he could catch Safari Zone Pokémon. However, despite his best efforts to catch other Pokémon, he ended up using all thirty to catch a herd of {{AP|Tauros}}. They appeared in Safari Balls in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-Ké Corral]]''; however, in all subsequent airings they have been in regular Poké Balls.

[[Image:Rice Ball Poké Ball.jpg|right|thumb|A [[rice ball]] inside Ash's Poké Ball]]
Occasionally, an [[item]] will be caught instead of a [[Pokémon]], such as a [[rice ball]] or something else that would be smaller than the Poké Ball. The greatest example, if not the only, is when {{Ash}} tried catching [[Ash's Primeape|Mankey]] in ''[[EP025|Primeape Goes Bananas]]''. These, however, are just jokes. For example, in a commercial for [[Kids' WB!]], Ash caught a talking sock singing that Ash couldn't catch him.

If a Poké Ball is used to try to catch a human, the human will get shocked with electricity instead of being caught.

Named in ''[[H014|Journey to the Starting Line]]'', the Poké Ball a Pokémon is temporarily held in before being given to beginning [[Pokémon Trainer]]s is called a "starter Poké Ball". In the anime only, a Pokémon is held in one of these temporary containments which do not 'mark' the Pokémon, so it can then be assigned to one of the six regular Poké Balls given to the Trainer. Starter Poké Balls look identical to regular Poké Balls, but are occasionally marked with some form of identification, such as a lightning-bolt or writing, such as the one which held [[Ash's Pikachu]]. In the games, however, the player is simply given 5 Poké Balls plus the Pokémon, already assigned a ball.

If a Poké Ball should crack or break, it must be taken to a [[Pokémon Center]] to be repaired, or the Pokémon must be registered to a new ball as seen in ''[[EP107|Pokémon Food Fight!]]''. Wealthier trainers or pet Pokémon owners may also purchase fancy Poké Balls. These balls are only cosmetically modified, and treated like fine jewelry. [[Meowzie]]'s owner purchased a diamond-studded ball for her in ''[[EP070|Go West, Young Meowth]]'' as seen in {{MTR}}'s flashback.

===[[Generation II]] Poké Balls===
====In the games====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{red color dark}}"
|-
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Image
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Name
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Apricorn}}
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Catch rate
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Notes
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Park Ball-Johto.png|50px]]
| Park Ball (パークボール ''Park Ball'')
| -
| 1.5×
| align="left" | For use in the {{color2|000|National Park}} {{color2|000|Bug-Catching Contest}} only
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Level Ball.png|50px]]
| Level Ball (レベルボール ''Level Ball'')
| Red
| Varies
| align="left" | Catch rate if the player's current Pokémon's level is:
* The same or lower than the wild Pokémon's: 1×
* Higher than the wild Pokémon's: 2×;
* Double or more than that of the wild Pokémon's: 4×;
* Four times as much or higher: 8×
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Lure Ball.png|50px]]
| Lure Ball (ルアーボール ''Lure Ball'')
| Blu
| 3×
| align="left" | Wild Pokémon must be hooked by a {{color2|000|Fishing|Fishing rod}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Moon Ball.png|50px]]
| Moon Ball (ムーンボール ''Moon Ball'')
| Ylw
| 4×
| align="left" | Only if the wild Pokémon evolves with a {{color2|000|Evolutionary stone#Moon Stone|Moon Stone}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Friend Ball.png|50px]]
| Friend Ball (フレンドボール ''Friend Ball'')
| Grn
| 1×
| align="left" | The wild Pokémon has a {{color2|000|happiness}} value of 200 after being caught
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Fast Ball.png|50px]]
| Fast Ball (スピードボール ''Speed Ball'')
| Wht
| 4×
| align="left" | If the wild Pokémon is one that flees from battles{{fn|2}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Heavy Ball.png|50px]]
| Heavy Ball (ヘビーボール ''Heavy Ball'')
| Blk
| Varies
| align="left" | Catch rate if the wild Pokémon is:
* Between 100kg{{tt|*|220 lbs.}} and 200kg{{tt|*|440 lbs.}}: +0
* Between 200kg{{tt|*|440 lbs.}} and 300kg{{tt|*|660 lbs.}}: +20
* More than 300kg{{tt|*|660 lbs.}}: +30
* Under 100kg{{tt|*|220 lbs.}}: -30
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:Love Ball.png|50px]]
| Love Ball (ラブラブボール ''Love Love Ball'')
| Pnk
| 8×
| align="left" | If the player's current Pokémon and the wild Pokémon have opposite genders
|-
| colspan="7" style="font-size:small; background: #{{red color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px; " |

* {{fnb|2}} Fast Ball has an effect with {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Grimer}}, {{p|Tangela}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Eevee}}, {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Quagsire}}, {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Raikou}}, although not all these Pokémon can be found in the wild.
|}
{{-}}

The Park Ball is much like the Safari Ball absent in the Generation II games, including being equal to a Great Ball in strength. It is used in the [[National Park]] during their [[Bug-Catching Contest]]. Twenty Park Balls are provided for this, and the Pokémon can be battled before they are caught. However, while all twenty balls can be used and catch Pokémon before the contest ends, only one Pokémon can be kept for the contest judging.

Most of the Poké Balls available in Generation II, however, are the custom Poké Balls crafted by [[Kurt]]. This Poké Ball expert can be found in [[Azalea Town]], and once per day he will craft an [[Apricorn]] into a special Poké Ball based on its color. Because of the much larger variety of Poké Balls available, Generation II was the first generation to introduce a [[bag]] with a separate pocket for Poké Balls.

====In the anime====
In ''[[EP161|The Bug Stops Here]]'', {{Ash}} and {{an|Casey}} compete in the Bug-Catching Contest and use Park Balls to catch {{t|Bug}} Pokémon. Ash wins the contest with a {{TP|Casey|Beedrill}}, but gives it to Casey instead.

The custom Apricorn Poké Balls were seen and used a few times during the anime. In ''[[EP143|Going Apricorn!]]'', Ash, [[Misty]], and [[Brock]] receive Fast Balls from Kurt, and by the end of the episode Brock uses his to catch [[Brock's Forretress|a Pineco]]. By the end of the next episode, ''[[EP144|Gettin' The Bugs Out]]'', Ash and Misty receive Lure Balls, and Brock receives a Heavy Ball. In ''[[EP151|The Totodile Duel]]'', both Ash and Misty tried to catch a {{AP|Totodile}} with their Lure Balls, with Ash succeeding. Later, in ''[[EP213|A Corsola Caper!]]'', Misty got a second chance to use her Lure Ball, catching a {{TP|Misty|Corsola}} with it. The other two Fast Balls and the Heavy Ball were not seen or mentioned again, but a different Heavy Ball was used in ''[[AG065|Gulpin It Down!]]'' to catch a giant {{p|Gulpin}}.

====In [[Pokémon Special]]====
Both {{Special|Gold}} and {{Special|Silver}} received a Friend Ball and Heavy Ball, respectively. Kurt says that the Poké Balls would work only where its life energy is most concentrated.

===[[Generation III]] Poké Balls===
====In the games====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{red color dark}}"
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Artwork
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Name
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Catch rate
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Effects
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Price
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriLuxuryBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallLuxurystatus.png]] Luxury Ball (ゴージャスボール ''Gorgeous Ball'')
| 1×
| align="left" | The Pokémon caught will become closer to their Trainer quicker.
| {{PDollar}}1000 {{color2|{{diamond color}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|D}}{{color2|{{pearl color}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|P}}{{color2|{{platinum color}}|Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriPremierBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallPremierstatus.png]] Premier Ball (プレミアボール ''Premier Ball'')
| 1×
| align="left" | Given after purchasing 10 or more normal Poké Balls
| —
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriNetBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallNetstatus.png]] Net Ball (ネットボール ''Net Ball'')
| Varies
| align="left" | Catch rate if used on:
* {{type2|Bug}} or {{type2|Water}} Pokémon: 3x
* Other Pokémon: 1x
| {{PDollar}}1000
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriDiveBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallDivestatus.png]] Dive Ball (ダイブボール ''Dive Ball'')
| Varies
| align="left" | Catch rate if used on:
* Under-sea dwelling Pokémon {{color2|{{ruby color}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|R}}{{color2|{{sapphire color}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|S}}{{color2|{{emerald color}}|Pokémon Emerald Version|E}}, or water-dwelling Pokémon {{color2|{{firered color}}|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FR}}{{color2|{{leafgreen color}}|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LG}}{{color2|{{diamond color}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|D}}{{color2|{{pearl color}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|P}}{{color2|{{platinum color}}|Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt}}: 3.5x
* Other Pokémon: 1x
| {{PDollar}}1000
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriNestBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallNeststatus.png]] Nest Ball (ネストボール ''Nest Ball'')
| Varies
| align="left" | Catch rate if the wild Pokémon is:
* Between level 1 and level 19: 3×
* Between level 20 and level 29: 2×
* Above level 30: 1×
| {{PDollar}}1000
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriRepeatBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallRepeatstatus.png]] Repeat Ball (リピートボール ''Repeat Ball'')
| Varies
| align="left" | Catch rate if used on:
* wild Pokémon's species caught before: 3x
* other Pokémon: 1x
| {{PDollar}}1000
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[Image:SugimoriTimerBall.png]]
| style="background: #fff" | [[Image:BallTimerstatus.png]] Timer Ball (タイマーボール ''Timer Ball'')
| style="background: #fff" | Varies
| align="left" style="background: #fff" | Catch rate if the number of turns that have passed is:
* Between 1 and 9: 1×
* Between 10 and 19: 2×
* Between 20 and 29: 3×
* More than 30: 4×
| colspan="7" style="font-size: small; background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{PDollar}}1000
|}

All of the third generation Poké Balls were developed by the [[Devon Corporation]].

In this generation, the type of Ball used to catch a Pokémon was kept track of by the game itself, so that when Trainers sent out their Pokémon, the type of effect could vary. In this way, two Balls with the same effectiveness, such as the Safari Ball and Great Ball, or Poké Ball and Premier Ball, would differ.

In Generation III, the Luxury Ball is rare, second only to the Master Ball; however, it is available for normal purchase in Generation IV. One can be found on the [[Abandoned Ship]], and others can be obtained from winning Master Rank [[Pokémon Contests]]. It is also given in {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} by [[Selphy|Lady Selphy]] for showing her the Pokémon she asks for. Taking advantage of being able to track what kind of Ball a Pokémon is in, rather than applying a flat happiness bonus like the Friend Ball did, it heightens the rate at which the [[Happiness]] of the Pokémon caught with it increases.

The Premier Ball is given with every purchase of ten or more Poké Balls in [[Hoenn]], [[Orre]], and [[Sinnoh]] Poké Marts. However, it is not different from regular Poké Balls in any manner except appearance.

The Net Ball and Dive Ball can only be purchased at the Poké Mart in [[Mossdeep City]]. This is likely due to the city's high affiliation with the {{type2|Water}}. It can also be obtained from the Fishing Guru's younger brother in [[Silence Bridge]] after showing him a {{p|Magikarp}}.

The Nest Ball can only be purchased at the Poké Mart in [[Verdanturf Town]].

The Repeat Ball and Timer Ball can be purchased in [[Rustboro City]] after going through [[Rusturf Tunnel]] from [[Verdanturf Town]] for the first time, or from {{DL|Two Island (town)|Market Stall|Two Island Market Stall}} after saving [[Lostelle]], beating the {{ka|Elite Four}}, buying every item in the stall at least once and then leaving and returning to the area.

All Poké Balls released in [[Generation I]] are available as well.

====In the anime====
The Luxury Ball and the Repeat Ball made a short cameo appearance in the beginning of ''[[Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'', containing {{ga|Brendan}}'s {{p|Aggron}} and {{p|Shiftry}}.

===[[Generation IV]] Poké Balls===
====In the games====
Five new Poké Balls were introduced in the Generation IV games.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{red color dark}}"
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Artwork
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Name
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Catch rate
! style="background: #{{red color}}" | Notes
! style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Price
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriHealBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallHealstatus.png]] Heal Ball (ヒールボール ''Heal Ball'')
| 1×
| Fully heals a caught Pokémon
| {{PDollar}}300
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriDuskBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallDuskstatus.png]] Dusk Ball (ダークボール ''Dark Ball'')
| 4×
| Catch rate only applies if used within a dark area or during the night; otherwise 1×
| {{PDollar}}1,000
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriCherishBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallCherishstatus.png]] Cherish Ball (プレジャスボール ''Precious Ball'')
| 1×
| Used to contain Pokémon given out in {{color2|000|Event Pokémon|events}}
| —
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| [[Image:SugimoriQuickBall.png]]
| [[Image:BallQuickstatus.png]] Quick Ball (クイックボール ''Quick Ball'')
| 4×
| For every 5 turns in battle, the catch rate decreases by 1×, reaching a minimum of 1×
| {{PDollar}}1,000
|- align="center" style=""
| style="background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" |
| style="background: #fff" | [[Image:BallPalParkstatus.png]] Park Ball (パークボール ''Park Ball'')
| style="background: #fff" | —
| style="background: #fff" | Used only at {{color2|000|Pal Park}}
| colspan="7" style="font-size: small; background: #fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | —
|}
{{-}}
All of the Generation I and Generation III Poké Balls are also available, though the Dive Ball can only be obtained randomly through the man in [[Solaceon Town]] upon showing him the Pokémon he asks for, or transferred ahead held by a Pokémon via [[Pal Park]]. The Park Ball is used as a temporary containment for show. It is the only Poké Ball (aside from the [[Snag Ball]]) with the ability to override another Poké Ball's "mark" on a Pokémon. Once caught, the Pokémon is put into the Poké Ball it was caught in. Whether the Park Ball would work on a regular [[wild Pokémon]] not already caught is not known.

Cherish Balls cannot be acquired for use without [[cheating]]; instead, they contain Pokémon distributed at {{pkmn2|event}}s.

Luxury Balls function differently in this generation: they can be bought, and the factor the happiness is increased by varies with the event. For details, see [[Happiness#Generation IV|this page]].
 

===In the manga===
[[Image:Seadraspe.PNG|thumb|right|{{Special|Yellow}}'s {{p|Seadra}}'s Poké Ball in [[Pokémon Special]]]]
[[Image:Pkballdengeki.PNG|thumb|right|A Poké Ball in [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]]]]
In the [[Pokémon Special]] manga, one can see the miniature of the Pokémon inside the Poké Ball; the type of ball doesn't matter. Already caught Pokémon can be re-caught, as shown when Red re-catches Misty's Gyarados.

In the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga, however, the center of a Poké Ball has a small number to differentiate it from others.
In one chapter of this series, Ash suggests to have a large Poké Ball built as a trap to catch a giant Haunter (Black Fog). The plan succeeded, but Haunter used Explosion from inside, destroying the trap in the process.

==Other Poké Balls==
These Poké Balls are found outside of the standard games. They are often too unusual to fit in with other groups of Poké Balls, and some are so unusual that it is questionable if they even qualify as Poké Balls. Most of these have separate articles, which describe their unique properties in greater detail.

===In the games===
; [[Pester Ball]]s
: Seen in {{g|Snap}}, this unusual Poké Ball cannot catch Pokémon. Instead, it releases an irritating gas.

; [[GS Ball]]
: Seen in {{game|Crystal}}, this Poké Ball cannot catch Pokémon. Instead, it is a special item that can be used to make {{p|Celebi}} appear in the [[Ilex Forest]].

; [[Snag Ball]]s
: Though not a Poké Ball in its own right, this is seen in {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{Pokémon XD}}. It is a ball that has been modified using the [[Snag Machine]]. It is capable of [[snagging]] a [[caught Pokémon]] during a [[Pokémon battle]] as if it were wild.

===In the anime===
; Pre-Poké Ball Objects
: There are multiple artifacts and antiques which have similar properties to modern Poké Balls but are not technically the same thing - some, in fact, are not even balls. These range from unusual artifacts found in the ancient city of [[Pokémopolis]] which contain [[Giant Pokémon]] inside (seen in ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]'') to antique Poké Balls which look similar to their modern-day equivalents but have an altered design and are made from a more fragile material (seen in ''[[EP232|Just Waiting On a Friend]]''). Given that these were made before the development of the technology used in modern Poké Balls, the workings behind these objects are a mystery. Another early Poké Ball design is seen in [[Celebi: Voice of the Forest]] when [[Sam]] uses a Poké Ball brought from his own time with a lock on its button to call out his {{p|Charmeleon}}. This model seems to be much closer to the modern design. Hollowed-out Apricorn berries, much like [[Kurt]]'s custom Poké Balls, may also have been used in the past to hold Pokémon.

[[Image:Green pokeball.JPG|thumb|200px|A green Poké Ball]]
; Green Poké Balls
: Official name unknown. In ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'', in the [[Pokémon League]] {{pkmn|battle}} seen at the very start of the episode, one Trainer, presumably [[Bruno]], throws out a green Poké Ball which contains an {{p|Onix}}. This was the first Poké Ball seen in the anime. No details on this Poké Ball were given, and its color has never been explained; shortly after in the episode, regular red Poké Balls are used.

: Interestingly, [[Brendan]]'s {{v2|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} artwork depicts him holding a green Poké Ball. The reason for this is also unknown.

; Solid Gold Poké Balls
: There are not actually any solid gold Poké Balls in the Pokémon world. However, the idea is often used to fool greedy criminals like [[Brodie]] in ''[[AG119|The Ribbon Cup Caper]]'' or gullible consumers like [[James]] in ''[[EP015|Battle Aboard the St. Anne]]''.

; Mewtwo's Poké Balls/Clone Balls
: Marked by an eerie eye incorporated into their design, these Poké Balls were created and used by {{an|Mewtwo}} in ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''. They can be moved around easily with Mewtwo's {{t|Psychic}} powers, and they can catch any Pokémon, including those which have already been caught by a Trainer, and Pokémon which are already inside their Poké Balls. Mewtwo used these to gather Pokémon to be cloned. Mewtwo's Poké Balls do not make the same sound as regular Poké Balls when they open, but otherwise their function is the same. Some Pokémon fans on the Internet refer to them as '''Shadow Balls''', but this is misleading because this type of Poké Ball has nothing to do with [[Shadow Pokémon]]; '''Shadow Ball''' is also the name of {{m|Shadow Ball|a Ghost-type Pokémon move}} first seen in the same movie.

; [[GS Ball]]
: This was in the possession of [[Professor Ivy]], who gave it to {{Ash}}, who in turn gave it to [[Kurt]] to study. It was revealed in a 2008 interview that the GS Ball was actually meant to catch a {{p|Celebi}}, but when it was determined that the [[Celebi: Voice of the Forest|fourth movie]] would feature Celebi, it was decided that it would be left with Kurt so viewers would forget about it. There is a large amount of fan speculation as to what purpose it holds. It bears a striking resemblance with the Park Ball (seen above).

; Lake Balls
[[Image:Lake_Ball.jpg|The Seaking Catching Competition announcer holding a Lake Ball|thumb]]
: These balls were used only in the [[Seaking Catching Day|Seaking Catching Competition]], similar to the Park Balls used in the Bug-Catching Contest. They only appeared in ''[[EP168|Hook, Line, and Stinker]]'', and have not been seen since. They appear as blue and white Poké Balls, with a fish pattern around the edge, and a yellow arrow on the top and bottom of the ball.
[[Image:Vicious.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Vicious]] holding a Dark Ball]]
; [[Dark Ball]]s
: These were used by [[The Iron Masked Marauder]] in ''[[Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''. Presumably technology of [[Team Rocket]], these Poké Balls will take over the mind of any Pokémon caught by them, making them turn into mindless servants of whoever caught them, as well as raise them to the highest level. These were used to catch multiple Pokémon, including {{p|Celebi}}. The Poké Balls were quite powerful in the movie as one of them was used to catch a {{p|Tyranitar}} without any problem.
[[Image:Chansey PokeBall.PNG|right|200px|thumb|A disguised [[Nurse Joy]] holding [[Nurse Joy's Chansey|her Chansey's]] Poké Ball]]

; Crystal Poké Balls
:These were created by the {{OBP|Unown|Spell of the Unown}} for [[Molly Hale|Molly]] to battle with during ''[[Spell of the Unown]]''.

; Rocket Poké Balls
:These were used in ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'', and look like normal Poké Balls but black with a red "R" on them. Hundreds were used by the many Rockets in the special.

; {{p|Chansey}} Poké Balls
: Used by a [[Nurse Joy]] in ''[[EP042|Showdown at Dark City]]''.

; Other Poké Balls
: In ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'', {{AP|Pikachu}}'s Poké Ball has a small lightning bolt mark on the top half of the ball, presumably added by [[Professor Oak]] to differentiate it from the Pokémon he would usually hand out as [[starter Pokémon|starters]].

:[[Ritchie]]'s Poké Balls bear a star-shaped sticker on the top half, so that he knows which ones are his if needed.

; Other uses of Poké Balls in the anime
: When {{Ash}} and {{Gary}} break a rusty, old Poké Ball they fished out of a pond, they each keep a piece as a symbol of their rivalry.

:Poké Balls are used in several places to symbolize Pokémon; for example, the {{ho|Battle Frontier}} logo, either three entwined Poké Balls, or alternatively, half a stylized Poké Ball, as seen on Ash's {{series|Advanced Generation}} and {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} caps.

:A Poké Ball design marks the floor of most Pokémon Centers. Sometimes the roofs are also designed to look like a Poké Ball.

:The first Pokédex entry given in the anime was for the Poké Ball: "While being trained, a Pokémon usually stays inside its Poké Ball. However, there are many exceptions. [[Ash's Pikachu|Some Pokémon]] hate being confined. To catch a Pokémon, you ''usually'' have your own Pokémon battle with the other."
 

== In the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]] ==
[[Image:Aqua - Aqua Ball.jpg|thumb|right|An Aqua Ball|150px]][[Image:Magma - Magma Ball.jpg|thumb|right|A Magma Ball|150px]]

;{{TCG ID|Jungle|Poké Ball|64}}
: This ball is found in the {{TCG|Base Set 2}} reprint set, {{TCG|EX Ruby & Sapphire}} {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}}, {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}}, {{TCG|EX Crystal Guardians}}, {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}}, {{TCG|Majestic Dawn}} and {{TCG|Platinum}}.

; {{TCG ID|Expedition|Dual Ball|139}}
: This ball is found in {{TCG|Expedition Base Set}}, {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}}, {{TCG|EX Delta Species}}, and {{TCG|EX Crystal Guardians}}.

; {{TCG ID|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|Team Aqua Ball|75}}
: This ball is found in {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}}.

; {{TCG ID|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|Team Magma Ball|80}}
: This ball is found in {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}}.

; {{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Poké Ball|89}}
: This ball is found in {{TCG|EX Team Rocket Returns}}.

* Also, on the card '''[[Lt. Surge's Secret Plan (Gym Challenge 107)|Lt. Surge's Secret Plan]]''', [[Lt. Surge]] is seen holding a Master Ball. The significance of this is unknown.

==Trivia==

*In the handheld games, items are found in what appear to be normal Poké Balls; however, the console games choose to use large Poké Ball shaped chests for this purpose.
*Some [[Generation III]] Poké Balls are similar in function to some [[Generation II]] Poké Balls: Nest Ball is better for catching low-level Pokémon like the Level Ball, the Dive Ball is good for catching Pokémon found on the water like the Lure Ball, and the Luxury Ball raises happiness quicker like the Friend Ball.
*In {{wp|Super Mario Galaxy}}, there is a galaxy named Buoy Base Galaxy which has a big sphere above it that looks very similar to a Poké Ball. It even has a button in the middle of it.

 
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[[Image:AshPokedex1.PNG|right|thumb|240px|[[Professor Oak]] handing {{Ash}} his Pokédex]]
A '''Pokédex''' (Japanese: '''ポケモン{{tt|図鑑|ずかん}}''' ''illustrated Pokémon encyclopedia'') is an invaluable tool to a {{pkmn|Trainer}} in the [[Pokémon world]]. It gives information about all [[Pokémon]] in the world that are contained in its database. In the {{pkmn|games}}, it lists the number of Pokémon seen and {{pkmn2|caught}}. In the {{pkmn|anime}}, simply pointing it at a target Pokémon will give someone the Pokédex entry for that Pokémon. In both the anime and [[Pokémon Special]], the Pokédex also confers all the information shown by the interface in the games; that is, a Pokédex can display a Pokémon's [[stat]]s, [[level]], and [[move]]s. Another function of the Pokédex is that it is immune to most forms of outside interference from stimuli such as water, fire or electricity, as seen in [[EP061|''The Misty Mermaid'']], in the [[Generation III]] games where the player can go [[Underwater|under water]], and in [[EP001|Pokémon, I Choose You!]]. Pokédexes in the games, anime, and manga are not given to all trainers, but given to trainers of exceptional potential and skill. Just the same, anime Pokédexes take the place of the {{ga|trainer card}} in that they store the identification information of their owner. In the anime, {{Ash}} and {{Gary}} both received their Pokédexes from [[Prof. Oak]], much like their game counterparts {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}}. Ash was notorious for using his Pokédex early in his journey in situations where he had no idea what was going on, and was just as notorious for always being behind Gary in Pokédex entries.

In the Pokémon continuity, the Pokédex was invented by Professor Oak. When a young [[Sam|"Sammy"]] Oak was accidentally warped to a future of his own time, {{Ash}} explains to him how the Pokédex works, unknowingly giving him an idea.

In ''[[EP066|The Evolution Solution]]'' it was mentioned that the Pokédex entries in Ash's Pokédex were written by [[Professor Westwood V]] of the [[Seafoam Islands]].

Pokédex entries are typically only two- or three-sentence bits of information about the Pokémon referred to. In some events it gives background information on the habitat or activities of this Pokémon in the wild; at other times it gives other bits of information on the Pokémon's history or anatomy. A typical entry would be one of {{p|Bulbasaur}}, which states:

"''A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. The plant sprouts and grows with this Pokémon.''"

To date, there have been five different numbering systems used: the [[National Pokédex]], and various [[Regional Pokédex]]es.
==Kanto (Generation I)==
[[Image:Generation_I_Pokedex.png|frame|right|The [[Generation I|first]]-generation Pokédex]]
The first version of the Pokédex, model number HANDY505, recorded data on the first 151 Pokémon, focusing on Pokémon mostly native to [[Kanto]]. It listed them in [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|number sequence]], and it recorded data on height, weight, number, [[species]], cry, and nesting area. However, in {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, Pokémon only found in [[Cerulean Cave]] and Pokémon found only by fishing would be listed as "Area Unknown". In {{game|Yellow}}, the option to print Pokédex entries using the [[Game Boy Printer]] was added.

[[Image:RBYPokedex.png|thumb|left|The main interface of the first Pokédex model]]

In the anime, the Pokédex model's program is referred to as Dexter, as well as the programs for most models of the Pokédex. When [[Misty]] got {{TP|Misty|Togepi}}, Professor Oak updated this model with new software that included data on a handful of [[Johto]] Pokémon, and its voice gets redone (via a different reverb effect). Its Japanese voice actor is 三木眞一郎 ''[[Shin'ichirō Miki]]'' and its English voice actor is [[Eric Stuart]]. Internationally, it is played by [[Wellington Lima]] in the Brazilian dub. It also has the ability to identify a Pokémon's moveset, as shown when it identified all of the known moves that Misty's Psyduck can learn in ''[[EP032|The Ninja Pokémon Showdown!]]''.

The numbering of Pokémon in this generation is the same as those in the National Pokédex. Therefore, see the first 151 Pokémon of [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number]].
===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP002|Dexter (Purpose)|Ash's Pokédex|I'm Dexter, a [[Pokédex]] programmed by [[Professor Oak]] for [[Pokémon Trainer]] {{Ash|Ash Ketchum}} of the town of [[Pallet Town|Pallet]]. My function is to provide Ash with information and advice regarding Pokémon and their training. If lost or stolen, I cannot be replaced.}}
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==Johto==
[[Image:Johto_Pokedex.png|frame|right|The [[Generation II|second]]-generation Pokédex]]
[[Image:JohtoDex.png|thumb|left|Johto's Pokédex, as seen in {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pokémon Gold}}]]
The second Pokédex, model HANDY808, had many improvements. Data on 251 species of Pokémon could be recorded. Pokémon could be listed in the Kanto (or National) order (referred to as the "Old Pokédex"), a [[List of Pokémon by Johto Dex number|new order]] focusing on Johto (referred to as the "New Pokédex"), or [[List of Pokémon by name|alphabetically by name]]. It also included an [[Unown Dex]] that can be unlocked by catching three different forms of {{p|Unown}}. A new search option allowed users to find specific Pokémon by [[type]]. Entries were expanded to include a Pokémon's [[footprint]] (if it had feet). Also, the design of this Pokédex is markedly similar to that of Nintendo's [[Game Boy]], Game Boy Pocket, and [[Game Boy Color]].

In the anime, its Japanese voice actor is 三木眞一郎 ''[[Shin'ichirō Miki]]'' and its English voice actor is [[Eric Stuart]].

For the numbering list introduced in this version of the Pokédex, see [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]].
 
==Hoenn==
[[Image:Pokedex Hoenn Region.png|frame|right|The [[Hoenn]] region's Pokédex]]
The third Pokédex could record data on [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Dex number|202 species of Pokémon]] native to the [[Hoenn]] region. An upgrade called the [[National Pokédex]] was unlocked if a trade with [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Kanto]] was made in {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}, or if the [[Elite Four]] were defeated in {{v2|Emerald}}, which would allow 386 species to be recorded. Pokémon could also be listed by [[List of Pokémon by weight|weight]] and [[List of Pokémon by height|size]]. The search option was expanded to include the first letter of a name, as well as [[List of Pokémon by color|color]] of the Pokémon. The most interesting addition was size charts that compared [[player character|a pre-teen child]] to individual Pokémon in terms of height. This allowed Trainers to get a better idea of how large individual Pokémon were, which often conflicted with depictions in the anime. The print option was removed, however, as no Game Boy Printer was made for the Game Boy Advance.
[[Image:PokedexHoennView.png|thumb|left|Viewing the Hoenn Pokédex in the {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}}]]

In the anime, this Pokédex model's program is referred to as Dextette instead of Dexter, and it has a female voice to match. Its Japanese voice actress is 林原めぐみ ''[[Megumi Hayashibara]]'' and its English voice actress is [[Rachael Lillis]].

The Hoenn region Pokédex is markedly similar to the [[Game Boy Advance]], the console most of the [[Generation III]] games were played on.

For the numbering list introduced in this version of the Pokédex, see [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number]].
 

==Kanto (Generation III)==
[[Image:Pokedex_FRLG.png|thumb|160px|right|[[Kanto]] region's Pokédex]]
The fourth Pokédex, model HANDY909, could record data on 151 species of Pokémon native to the Kanto region. An upgrade called the National Dex was unlocked if the Elite Four were defeated and the player had caught 60 different Pokémon, which would allow 386 species to be recorded. In addition to the improvements made in the Hoenn version, Pokémon were all organized into [[List of Pokémon by habitat|habitat categories]], where similar Pokémon were typically listed together on the same pages (such as {{p|Jynx}} and {{p|Mr. Mime}}, for instance), and Pokémon who are [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions|cross-generation evolutions]] are also displayed next to each other, such as {{p|Onix}} and {{p|Steelix}}. Nest display was also expanded to include the [[Sevii Islands]]. This Pokédex also has a toy model, which has Pokémon up to Generation III.
[[Image:FRLGdex.png|thumb|left|{{p|Pidgey}}'s entry in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s|Pokémon FireRed}}]]
In the anime, this model comes in both red and yellow. Its Japanese voice actor is 三木眞一郎 ''[[Shin'ichirō Miki]]'' and its English voice actors are [[Eric Stuart]] ([[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]]) and [[Bill Rogers]] ([[Pokémon USA]]). Internationally, it is played by [[Wellington Lima]] in the Brazilian dub.

The Generation III Kanto Pokédex is markedly similar to the [[Game Boy Advance SP]], an upgraded version of the Game Boy Advance that was released the year before [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] were released in Japan.

For the regional Pokédex list, see the first 151 entries of [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number]].
 
==Sinnoh==
[[File:Pokedex_Sinnoh_Region.jpg|thumb|170px|right|[[Sinnoh]] region's Pokédex]]
The fifth Pokédex, model HANDY910is, can naturally record data on the 151 Pokémon native to [[Sinnoh]], with the National Dex upgrade allowing for the 493 Pokémon available to players of {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} to be recorded. Strangely, some of the Pokémon first encountered in [[Generation IV]] are not in the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Dex number|Sinnoh Dex order]], such as the two new evolutions of {{p|Eevee}}. Nest display includes time of day as part of its functions now.

In the anime and [[Pokémon Special]] manga, it seems that the color of the Pokédex casing is customizable. {{an|Dawn}} has a pink one, {{Ash}} and {{Special|Platinum}} have a red one, {{Special|Diamond}} has a blue one, {{Special|Pearl}} has an orange one and [[Paul]] has a dark blue one. The anime version lacks the dial on the side. This Pokédex also has a female voice. Its Japanese voice actresses are 川上とも子 ''[[Tomoko Kawakami]]'' and ''[[Satsuki Yukino]]'' and its English voice actress is [[Michele Knotz]].
[[File:Paul's dex.jpg|Paul's Pokédex|thumb|left]]
[[File:Platinum National Pokédex.png|thumb|right|150px|{{p|Giratina}} in the Platinum National Pokédex]]
Its appearance is similar to that of the [[Nintendo DS]], and it may have a touchscreen as well. The placement of buttons and other features suggest it is based on its second version, the [[Nintendo DS Lite]].

For the numbering list introduced in this version of the Pokédex, see [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number]].

This Pokédex, as shown in the anime by [[Paul]], is able to scan a Poké Ball to see what moves the Pokémon inside it can use.

In the anime, it was also shown by {{an|Dawn}} to be able to identify moves like the Generation I Pokédex, as was the case with [[Dawn's Ambipom|Dawn's Aipom]]'s {{m|Double Hit}}.
===Platinum===
The sixth Pokédex, an expansion on the fifth, can naturally record data on 210 Pokémon, a majority native to Sinnoh, with the National Pokédex upgrade that allows for the recording of data on the 493 Pokémon known at this time.

This Pokédex, which is available to players of {{v2|Platinum}}, works similar to the ones in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}.
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==Johto (Generation IV)==
[[File:PokéDex HGSS m.png|thumb|left|[[Johto]] region's Pokédex for males]]
[[File:HGSSpokedex.png|thumb|right|{{p|Mareep}} in the Johto Pokédex]]
[[File:PokéDex HGSS f.png|thumb|left|[[Johto]] region's Pokédex for females]]
The seventh Pokédex, like the fourth, has been given a redesign as the games return to an old region. While it is similar to the original Johto Pokédex when closed, there are many new features, such as a touch screen interface. In addition, the actual regional Pokédex numbers of the Pokémon are shown, instead of the National numbers when in regional mode. The listing also appears in a matrix style. This Pokédex can come in two colors: red for males, and pink for females.

Following the tradition for Pokédexes being based on recent hand-held Nintendo game consoles in real life, this Pokédex resembles the [[Nintendo DSi]].

For the regional Pokédex list, which is the same as the previous design used for Johto, see [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]].
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==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring the Pokédex in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]]. The Hoenn region's model did not receive a TCG card, and the Generation I and Generation II Pokédexes, which featured model numbers on the Japanese card, did not show these model numbers on the English card.
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!Name
!Type
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
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| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Base Set|Pokédex|87}} || rowspan=2 | T || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Base Set}} || 87/102
|-
| {{TCG|Base Set 2}} || 115/130
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Neo Genesis|New Pokédex|95}} || rowspan=2 | T || rowspan=1 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Neo Genesis}} || 95/111
|-
| {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon Web}} || 16/48
|-
| {{TCG ID|EX FireRed & LeafGreen|PokéDex HANDY909|96}} || T || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}} || 96/112
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Pokédex HANDY910is|111}} || rowspan=2 | T || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} || 111/130
|-
| {{TCG|Platinum}} || 114/127
|}
==In Pokémon Special==
The Pokédex makes a signal when all three regional Pokédexes are close to each other. Another signal shows that they are being held by the correct owner, as seen in [[PS085]]. More usefully, they can display moves known by a Pokémon, and health that the Pokémon has, in a manner that looks identical to the battle screens in games. A feature included in {{game|Yellow}}, interacting with Pikachu to see its mood, was added to {{special|Red}}'s Pokédex. They can also be used to prevent a Pokémon from evolving. Trainers without a Pokédex have no choice in the matter.
==Trivia==
[[Image:AshPokedex2.PNG|right|thumb|250px|Ash's original Pokédex]]
*For [[DP002]], [[Professor Oak]]'s lecture is about the Pokédex. He writes this [[Pokémon senryū]] about it: こまったら　ひらいてみよう　ポケモンずかん ''Komattara hiraite miyō, Pokémon zukan.'' "When troubled, let's open the Pokédex."
*In [[Pokémon Super Contest]]s, there is a judge, who also serves as the {{wp|MC}}, named Dexter.
*Most of the Pokédexes appear similar to one of Nintendo's handhelds. The Johto Pokédex looks similar to a [[Game Boy Color]], the Hoenn Pokédex appears similar to the [[Game Boy Advance]], the Generation III Kanto Pokédex looks similar to a [[Game Boy Advance SP]], the Sinnoh Pokédex looks like a [[Nintendo DS Lite]], and the Generation IV Johto Pokédex looks like a [[Nintendo DSi]].
*The Pokédex is evidently encased in material that is invulnerable to almost anything within reason. It has been soaked in water and (in the anime) electrocuted and exposed to high-temperature flames, all with no ill effect. It is also voice-sensitive. There are some limitations to its ability; certain circumstances can prevent the Pokédex from accurately identifying its target:
**A Pokédex which has not received a [[National Pokédex|National Mode]] upgrade will not display any information on Pokémon not usually found in its home region, even if those Pokémon have been caught.
**In the anime, a Pokédex also can only identify the Pokémon itself, and not what appears to be where it is, as seen in [[EP020|The Ghost of Maiden’s Peak]] when {{p|Gastly}} uses illusions to scare {{Ash}} and his {{Ashfr|friends}}.
**Similarly, [[Gary]]’s Pokédex failed to identify {{an|Mewtwo}} at the [[Viridian Gym]], displaying only static interference. This may be attributed to the mechanical “focus/leech” battle armor Mewtwo was wearing at the time, or simply the fact that it was a species not yet known to [[Professor Oak]] and [[Professor Westwood V|other]] [[Pokémon researcher]]s who participated in the Pokédex’s development.
*All five of Ash’s Pokédexes have been red, as were the Pokédexes in the games prior to {{2v|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, while other characters have had other colors. May had a yellow one in Kanto, Paul has a dark blue Pokédex and Dawn has a pink Pokédex.
*Pokédex entries in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen]] are identical to those in {{2v2|Red|Blue}} for the {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}}, while those for [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed]] are identical to those from the original {{2v2|Red|Green}}. Likewise, FireRed's entries for {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} are identical to the entries found in {{v2|Silver}}, and the same is true of Pokémon LeafGreen and {{v2|Gold}}.
[[Image:Computer pokédex.jpg|Giovanni's computer|210px|thumb|left]]
*The Kanto regional Pokédex and the Sinnoh regional Pokédex ({{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}) have 151 members, the smallest of all regional Pokédexes. The largest regional Pokédex is the Johto regional Pokédex, with 251 members.
*In ''[[DP080|The Thief That Keeps On Thieving!]]'', [[Giovanni]]'s computer had a function similar to the Pokédex, scanning for what's inside the Poké Ball.
*The online Pokédex at [http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp Pokémon.com] uses Pokédex entries from {{game|Diamond}}.
*[[James]] uses cards of Pokémon, rather than a Pokédex, to sometimes identify the Pokémon and the moves they can learn.
*The Pokédex models of [[Generation]]s {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}} rounded the weights of all Pokémon to full pounds except for {{p|Gastly}} and {{p|Haunter}}, despite the Japanese games' use of tenths of kilograms since the start. From [[Generation III]] onward, all weights have been given to the nearest tenth of a pound.
*The Pokédex lost several buttons with every new model, due to various upgrades: Kanto's first model has twenty-two buttons, Johto’s original model has five, Kanto's second model, Hoenn's, and Sinnoh's only have three, and Johto’s second model apparently has none whatsoever, solely using the touch-screen interface.
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User:Martonimos/Relinks

2009-07-15T04:31:24Z

Martonimos: /* Other */ A job for another day

The eventual goal of this project is to ensure that every link on Bulbapedia goes to an actual page, instead of a redirect. The list below includes moves and redirect pages for those moves that have links to them. By using the "what links here" and focusing on the redirects, I can find all such links and relink them to the actual page. While redirects are fine when users mistype something during a search, there shouldn't be any links that lead to them. I'm starting with moves, because I first saw this problem with the moves {{m|U-turn}} and {{m|SonicBoom}} (which were linked to as U-Turn and Sonicboom), but I hope to one day eliminate all links to redirects.

===Known offending moves===
None currently

====Previously handled moves====
*{{m|SolarBeam}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/SolarBeam (move)|links]])
*{{m|ThunderShock}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/ThunderShock (move)|links]])
*{{m|SmokeScreen}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/SmokeScreen (move)|links]])
*{{m|DynamicPunch}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/DynamicPunch (move)|links]])
*{{m|ViceGrip}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/ViceGrip (move)|links]])
*{{m|Double-Edge}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Double-Edge (move)|links]])
*{{m|DragonBreath}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/DragonBreath (move)|links]])
*{{m|Sand-Attack}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Sand-Attack (move)|links]])
*{{m|DoubleSlap}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/DoubleSlap (move)|links]])
*{{m|PoisonPowder}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/PoisonPowder (move)|links]])
*{{m|Poison Sting}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Poison Sting (move)|links]])
*{{m|AncientPower}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/AncientPower (move)|links]])
*{{m|Mud-Slap}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Mud-Slap (move)|links]])
*{{m|Lock-On}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Lock-On (move)|links]])
*{{m|Tri Attack}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Tri Attack (move)|links]])
*{{m|Conversion 2}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Conversion 2 (move)|links]])
*{{m|ThunderPunch}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/ThunderPunch (move)|links]])
*{{m|SmellingSalt}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/SmellingSalt (move)|links]])
*{{m|FeatherDance}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/FeatherDance (move)|links]])
*{{m|Wake-Up Slap}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Wake-Up Slap (move)|links]])
*{{m|GrassWhistle}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/GrassWhistle (move)|links]])
*{{m|Superpower}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Superpower (move)|links]])
*{{m|Will-O-Wisp}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Will-O-Wisp (move)|links]])
*{{m|ExtremeSpeed}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/ExtremeSpeed (move)|links]])
*{{m|Thunder Wave}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Thunder Wave (move)|links]])
*{{m|SonicBoom}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/SonicBoom (move)|links]])
*{{m|U-turn}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/U-turn (move)|links]])
*{{m|BubbleBeam}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/BubbleBeam (move)|links]])

===Other===
*{{g|Trainer}} ({{g|trainer}}, [[Trainer]]) ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Trainer|links]], [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pokémon trainer|links]])
*[[Orange Archipelago]] ([[Orange Islands]]) ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Orange Islands|links]])
*{{TCG|Vending Machine cards}} ({{TCG|Vending Machine Cards}}) ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Vending Machine Cards (TCG)|links]])
*All instances of [[Captured Pokémon]] that aren't actually about capturing Pokémon should be changed to [[Caught Pokémon]], and then Captured Pokémon can be redirected to [[Caught Pokémon#Captured Pokémon]]. ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Captured Pokémon|links]])

====Previously handled====
*[[Celestic Town]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Celestic Town|links]])
*{{TCG|Expedition Base Set}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Expedition Base Set (TCG)|links]])
*[[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|links]])
*{{g|Trozei!}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Pokémon Trozei!|links]])
*[[Ash Ketchum]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Ash Ketchum|links]])
*[[Alternate coloration]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Alternate coloration|links]])
*{{p|Ninetales}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Ninetales (Pokémon)|links]])
*{{p|Ho-Oh}} ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|links]])
*[[Golduck (anime)]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Golduck (anime)|links]])
*[[Mystery Part and Secret Slab]] ([[Special:Whatlinkshere/Mystery Part and Secret Slab|links]])

Phew... that's quite a list, and I doubt I even have them all... If you spot any others, then be sure to let me know, and I'll add it here. As I said, I want to focus on moves first, but I'll move on to other pages over time.

==A note about Card pages==
While working on this project, I've found that a lot of {{TCG|Pokémon}} cards in the {{pkmn|TCG}} use normal case standards for moves that use {{wp|CamelCase}} in the {{pkmn|games}}. In such cases, the text of the article should reflect the text on the card, using the same case standards. However, such articles usually have an "origins" section that usually includes a link to the move. This link can be put into CamelCase. I usually also include a note such as "Although this move is spelled with CamelCase in the games, it uses normal case here."

Catching

2009-07-15T04:26:25Z

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Captured Pokemon

2009-07-15T04:26:09Z

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#REDIRECT:[[Caught Pokémon#Captured Pokémon]]

Mewtwo (M01)

2009-07-15T04:24:44Z

Martonimos:

{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
type1=Psychic|
nickname=Mewtwo|
jnickname=ミュウツー|
tmnickname=Mewtwo|
pokemonname=Mewtwo|
image=[[Image:Capture14.png|300px]] |
caption=Mewtwo |
location=[[New Island]] |
gender=Unknown|
epnum=EP063|
epname=The Battle of the Badge|
prevonum=150|
released=yes|
releaseep=EP065|
releasename=Showdown at the Poké Corral|
current=[[Johto]]|
enva1=[[Phillip Bartlett]] ([[Mewtwo Strikes Back|MSB]]) [[Dan Green]] ([[Mewtwo Returns|MR]])|
java1=Masachika Ichimura (adult) Fujiko Takimoto (child)|
}}

'''Mewtwo''' (Japanese: '''ミュウツー''') is a {{type2|Psychic}} {{pkmn2|legendary}} [[Pokémon]] cloned from a {{p|Mew}}. His Japanese voice actors are 市村正親 ''Masachika Ichimura'' (adult) and 瀧本富士子 ''Fujiko Takimoto'' (child). His English voice actors are [[Phillip Bartlett]] (''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'') and [[Dan Green]] (''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'').

The story of Mewtwo is chronicled in ''[[The Birth of Mewtwo]]'' (CD drama), ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' (movie), and ''Mewtwo Returns'' (TV special). It made a brief appearance in the {{pkmn|anime}} in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]'' when [[Giovanni]] used him to defeat [[Gary Oak]], and in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' where it escapes from [[Team Rocket]] headquarters (a scene also chronicled in ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'').

==History==
[[Image:RyRo_Pokemon_Movie_1_Mewtwo_Strikes_Back_DVD_XviD_63A4FFD4_0005.png‎|thumb|left|180px|Young Mewtwo crying as Ambertwo dies]]
Approximately twenty years before the present, Team Rocket discovered that a Mew was living in the {{wp|Andes|Andes Mountains}}. Many years later, under the orders of its new leader, [[Giovanni]], Rocket members went back to the area to search for fossils. They succeeded in finding an eyelash belonging to Mew. Giovanni asked [[Dr. Fuji]] to clone Mew for him. Fuji agreed because it wanted to use Team Rocket's research funds to attempt to clone his deceased daughter, {{an|Amber}}.

One month after the discovery of the eyelash, Mewtwo was successfully created and was stored at [[New Island]]. At this point, it was still not fully grown and lived in a large test tube alongside a tube containing Ambertwo. Fuji and Giovanni thought Mewtwo was sleeping inside his tube, but it was able to communicate telepathically with Ambertwo. However, because the lifeforce of a human is not as strong as a Pokémon's, the Amber clone died. It also grew alongside three other clones, a Bulbasaurtwo, Squirtletwo, and Charmandertwo. However, these clones died shortly before the Amber clone, suggesting that Mewtwo's lifeforce is even stronger than a normal Pokémon's.

Eventually, Mewtwo fully matured and broke out of its test tube. Those responsible for its creation were happy that they succeeded in their goal of creating the world's most powerful Pokémon. Enraged and confused about the circumstances that led to his creation and powers, Mewtwo attacked the scientists on New Island. A computer attacked and attempted to kill him to protect the scientists, but Mewtwo quickly {{m|recover}}ed and destroyed the island and everyone on it.

[[Image:Mewtwo Analysis.jpg|right|thumb|In its robotic suit, as an unknown species, according to the [[Pokédex]]]]
Immediately thereafter, Giovanni found Mewtwo and convinced it to help with Team Rocket's goal of controlling the world. Mewtwo's power was focused in a robotic suit of armor, preforming tasks such as battling within the [[Viridian Gym]]. Eventually Mewtwo became tired of being used by Giovanni. It developed a strong hatred for humans, and thought that they were weak beings only interested in power and greed; it also despised the [[Caught Pokémon|Pokémon who served humans]]. It escaped from Giovanni, destroying Team Rocket headquarters in the process, and relocated to its birthplace on New Island. There it issued a challenge to several strong [[Pokémon Trainer]]s, including [[Ash Ketchum]]. Only a handful of Trainers made the hard trip to the island, and Mewtwo challenged them with a {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, and {{p|Charizard}} (all cloned) to prove its superiority to human Trainers and the superiority of cloned Pokémon to trained Pokémon. However, before it could defeat the Trainers and move out into the world, Mew appeared. The two Pokémon fought and ceased battle when Ash was caught in their crossfire and killed. Mew convinced Mewtwo to stop its destructive rampage. Mewtwo, wanting to find itself, erased the memories of those present and left New Island for [[Johto]].

A few years later, Giovanni found Mewtwo's hiding place and began a plan to capture it once again. However, this plan was foiled when Mewtwo once again met with Ash, who did not remember their previous encounter. Giovanni restrained Mewtwo, but {{ashfr|Ash and friends}} helped it to escape and defeat Giovanni. At the end of the ordeal, Mewtwo erased Giovanni and his soldiers' memories of him, and decided to move throughout the world searching for the meaning of its life.

In the epilogue to ''Mewtwo Returns'' and in some TV series opening sequences and movie previews, Mewtwo has been seen wearing a plain brown cape and moving across rooftops at night.

==Moves used==
{{anmu/h|psychic|row=6|align=center|move=Psychic|pic=Mewtwo_Psychic.png}}
{{anmu|psychic|Psychic|EP063|The Battle of the Badge}}
{{anmu|psychic|Barrier|Mewtwo Strikes Back|Mewtwo Strikes Back}}
{{anmu|fighting|Counter|Mewtwo Strikes Back|Mewtwo Strikes Back}}
{{anmu|normal|Hyper Beam}}
{{anmu|ghost|Shadow Ball|Mewtwo Strikes Back|Mewtwo Strikes Back}}
{{anmu/f|psychic|yes|c=l}}

==Pokémon==
===Created===
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=500px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:Pikatwo.png]] {{P|Pikachu}}
| align=center | [[Image:MewtwosOriginVenusaurClone.PNG]] {{P|Venusaur}}
| align=center | [[Image:MewtwosOriginCharizardClone.PNG]] {{P|Charizard}}
| align=center | [[Image:MewtwosOriginBlastoiseClone.PNG]] {{P|Blastoise}}
| align=center | [[Image:001.png]] {{P|Bulbasaur}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:007.png]] {{P|Squirtle}}
| align=center | [[Image:028.png]] {{P|Sandslash}}
| align=center | [[Image:031.png]] {{P|Nidoqueen}}
| align=center | [[Image:037.png]] {{P|Vulpix}}
| align=center | [[Image:038.png]] {{P|Ninetales}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:045.png]] {{P|Vileplume}}
| align=center | [[Image:052.png]] {{P|Meowth}}
| align=center | [[Image:130.png]] {{P|Gyarados}}
| align=center | [[Image:055.png]] {{P|Golduck}}
| align=center | [[Image:073.png]] {{P|Tentacruel}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:087.png]] {{P|Dewgong}}
| align=center | [[Image:106.png]] {{P|Hitmonlee}}
| align=center | [[Image:117.png]] {{P|Seadra}}
| align=center | [[Image:111.png]] {{P|Rhyhorn}}
| align=center | [[Image:123.png]] {{P|Scyther}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:134.png]] {{P|Vaporeon}}
| align=center | [[Image:040.png]] {{P|Wigglytuff}}
| align=center | [[Image:054.png]] {{P|Psyduck}}
| align=center | [[Image:018.png]] {{P|Pidgeot}}
| align=center | [[Image:078.png]] {{P|Rapidash}}
|}

===Befriended===
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center colspan=1 | [[Image:MewtwosOriginBulbasaurClone.PNG]] [[The Birth of Mewtwo|Bulbasaurtwo]]
| align=center colspan=1 | [[Image:MewtwosOriginCharmanderClone.PNG]] [[The Birth of Mewtwo|Charmandertwo]]
| align=center colspan=1 | [[Image:MewtwosOriginSquirtleClone.PNG]] [[The Birth of Mewtwo|Squirtletwo]]
|}

===Used===
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center colspan=1 | [[Image:MessengerDragonite.PNG]] {{p|Dragonite}}
| align=center colspan=1 | [[Image:Fearow Camera.png]] {{p|Fearow}}
|}

==Trivia==
* In the [[Mewtwo Strikes Back|first movie]], Mewtwo used {{m|Shadow Ball}} despite this move not being released at the time.
* The cloned Squirtle, Charmander, and Bulbasaur look extremely similar to their cloned evolved forms. Mewtwo also mentions when it introduces them to {{Ash}}, [[Misty]], [[Brock]], [[Fergus]], [[Corey]], [[Neesha]], and [[Nurse Joy]] that it also had a Squirtle, Charmander, and Bulbasaur, and that they evolved, which hints that it may have cloned them from its childhood friends.
* It's implied in Gary's battle with Mewtwo that Mewtwo's armor scrambles the Pokédex's scanning ability, as the Pokédex's screen has static on it when it states that it was unknown and had unavailable data. All undocumented Pokémon both before and after it either were blank on the screen (e.g. {{an|Ho-Oh}}'s, {{TP|Harrison|Blaziken}}'s and {{TP|Gary|Electivire}}'s first appearances), or were shown, but the Pokédex didn't have any other data (e.g. {{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, and {{p|Gengar}}).

==Related articles==
{{Animespecies|Mewtwo}}
{{Team Rocket's Pokémon}}
{{Moviecharacters}}
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon (anime)]]
[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Movie antagonists]]
[[Category:Team Rocket's Pokémon]]

[[de:Mewtu (Anime)]]

[[ja:ミュウツー (アニメ)]]

Pokémon food

2009-07-15T04:24:07Z

Martonimos:

'''Pokémon food''' is a broad term used for almost any food a [[Pokémon]] eats. Despite the variety of both Pokémon and Pokémon food, nearly every Pokémon will eat any kind of Pokémon food. This may mean that the majority of Pokémon are [[wp:Omnivore|omnivorous]]. Several species are even capable of consuming things not normally viewed as edible from a human perspective, such as minerals, electrical energy or even dreams and emotions.

==In the games==
===Standard Pokémon games===
====Bait====
First introduced in the [[Generation I]] games and used in the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]], this food will make a [[wild Pokémon]] less likely to run away but more difficult to [[Caught Pokémon|catch]]. An unlimited supply of Bait is provided for use in the Safari Zone.

====Berries====
{{main|Berry}}

First introduced in the [[Generation II]] games, berries are a type of item which, unlike [[Potion]]s or [[Vitamin]]s, are portrayed as food rather than {{wp|Medication|medicine}}. A Pokémon may hold this item and, if needed, eat it during a {{pkmn|battle}} to heal itself or cause other effects. In Generation III onwards, these can be planted and harvested by the {{player}}. Many berries have names that are puns of famous fruits.

====Pokéblocks====
{{main|Pokéblock}}

First introduced in the [[Generation III]] games, Pokéblocks are a type of candy which are blended from berries and given to a Pokémon to raise its condition in several areas. The flavor, level, and feel of the Pokéblock is determined by the ingredients which compose it and how well it is blended.

A Pokémon can only eat a certain number of Pokéblocks before it is full and cannot eat any more. The lower the feel of the Pokéblock, the less it fills the Pokémon up, and the more Pokéblocks a Pokémon can eat.

Pokéblocks can also be put on a feeder in the {{ho|Safari Zone}} to lure [[wild Pokémon]] out. After being there for a while, however, the Pokéblock will eventually be eaten. It can also be used in encounters in the Safari Zone in the same manner as bait.

====Poffin====
{{main|Poffin}}

First introduced in [[Generation IV]], Poffins are similar to Pokéblocks. A Poffin will raise the the condition of a Pokémon in at least one of five categories: Smart, Cute, Tough, Beauty, and Cool. The flavor and feel of a Poffin is still taken into account just as in a Pokéblock. The main difference is that Poffins are pastries and Pokéblocks are candy.

====Honey====
{{main|Honey}}

First introduced in [[Generation IV]], Honey can be slathered onto a Honey Tree to attract wild Pokémon. It works similarly to Pokéblocks in the Safari Zone; it can be placed in a specific location and will disappear (presumably eaten) after some time. However, only one Pokémon can be found on a honey tree for one Honey slathered onto it.

===Other Pokémon games===
[[Image:MeowthEatApple.jpg|frame|200px|right|{{p|Meowth}} eating an apple.]]
====Apples====
In [[Pokémon Snap]], one of the few [[item]]s provided is Pokémon Food. This is an unlimited supply of apples which [[Todd Snap]] can throw to the [[wild Pokémon]]. Many Pokémon will happily eat the food, and it can be used to lure them to a new spot since they may walk to where the food was thrown. A well-aimed throw may also hit the Pokémon with the apple, causing them to {{DL|Status ailment|flinch}}, [[faint]], or become upset.

[[Professor Oak]] will provide Todd with Pokémon Food upon obtaining a total score of 14,000 points in the {{OBP|Pokémon Report|Pokémon Snap}}.

Different types of [[Food and Gummis|apples]] are available in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 1|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2]].

====Poké Snacks====
These are used in [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]] to lure [[wild Pokémon]] to [[Poké Spot]]s. They look like a slice of a yellow cake, with each slice being one-tenth of the cake. Up to ten can be placed at each Poké Spot.

The [[P☆DA]] monitors the Poké Snacks at each Poké Spot, and will inform [[Michael]] how many are at each Poké Spot and when a wild Pokémon is eating them. If Michael doesn't return to the Poké Spot quickly, the wild Pokémon may eat all the Poké Snacks he had there.

Sometimes a {{p|Munchlax}} will appear at a Poké Spot. When this happens, its {{pkmn|Trainer}} will arrive, apologize, and give ten new Poké Snacks for any the Munchlax may have eaten.

====Food and Gummis====
{{main|Food and Gummis}}

There are a variety of different kinds of Pokémon food in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]. Examples include various types of gummis (Gold, Green, Black ect.), and other foods such as Berries and apples. Gummis have an effect on the player's IQ, while apples fill up the belly. Berries cause many effects, such as healing the player's HP and stats. All food will have a small effect on the belly as well.

====Sushi====
[[Image:Pokemonfood.jpg|thumb|right|160px|{{p|Aerodactyl}}'s favorite food.]]
In {{Eng|Pokémon Stadium}}, a mini-game called "Sushi-Go-Round" features several {{p|Lickitung}} competing in a race against the clock to eat the most pieces of sushi. Some pieces are too spicy for the {{p|Lickitung}}, causing them to momentarily spin around in anguish, stalling them for time.

====Other Food====
In [[Hey You, Pikachu!]] there are many more different kinds of food than in other Pokémon games. There are foods such as {{wp|cupcake}}s, {{wp|acorn}}s, {{wp|mushroom}}s, {{wp|corn}}, {{wp|carrot}}s, {{wp|onion}}s, {{wp|herbs}}, {{wp|radish}}es, {{wp|apple}}s, and {{wp|banana}}s. Other things are edible even though they are not typically eaten as food, such as {{wp|flowers}} and other {{wp|plants}}. {{p|Lairon}} and {{p|Aron}} have also been shown to eat iron in [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]. This suggests that some Pokémon are able to eat things that humans wouldn't be suggested to.

==In the anime==
[[Image:AG108.png|thumb|200px|left|[[Ash's Snorunt]] eating an apple.]]
[[Image:Slowking Eating.JPG|right|thumb|200px|A {{p|Slowking}} drinking milk from a {{wp|coconut}}.]]
Pokémon food has appeared in the anime as early as ''[[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]'' as a sort of kibble. Several [[Pokémon Trainer]]s will make their own, especially [[Pokémon Breeder]]s like [[Brock]]. The flavor is not always agreeable with humans, as shown by the fact that [[Seymour]] was able to eat it without any problem, but {{Ash}} tried some and reacted badly. Good Pokémon food tastes great to Pokémon, however.

Brock often offers Pokémon food to try and gain a Pokémon's trust, such as a baby {{p|Stantler}} in ''[[EP125|Little Big Horn]]'', and a {{TP|Brock|Mudkip|Marshtomp}} in ''[[AG025|A Mudkip Mission]]'' which he caught after befriending. Most Pokémon are extremely fond of his food, with the exception of a {{p|Jigglypuff}} in ''[[AG138|Rough, Tough Jigglypuff]]'' which outright refused it.

Pokémon are also known to consume food that is meant for people, such as [[rice ball]]s. In fact, some Pokémon, such as [[Madame Muchmoney's Snubbull]], loved to eat these more than anything else. As shown by {{an|Lucario}}, [[Ash's Swellow|Ash's Taillow]] and {{MTR}}, Pokémon are also able to eat chocolate without any ill effects.

==Eating other Pokémon==
In the original Pokémon games and concept, it seems that most Pokémon were more animal-like. As such, wild Pokémon were originally portrayed as eating one another by some sources, in a very animal-like prey-predator system; for example, on [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]]'s entry for {{p|Pidgeot}}, it is said that "''When they hunt, Pidgeot fly on the surface of the water at top speed to catch unsuspecting Fish element prey like {{p|Magikarp}}.''" The Handbook also lists {{p|Golbat}} as drinking the blood of its enemies, not just the 'energy' it uses when referring to {{m|Leech Life}} in {{p|Zubat}}'s entry.

However, this theme does not seem to have been explored in the anime or the games; it seems the closest thing is found in attacks that steal an opponent's HP. This may be because of moral issues; as the anime and games progress, Pokémon seem to be growing more human, with personalities, etc., and so such behavior might be too close to cannibalism. However, some Pokédex entries still refer to Pokémon preying on each other, or at least sucking life force, as with {{p|Haunter}} and {{p|Gengar}}, who in {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}, together with Gastly, lick the partner Pokémon until they vanish. The Pokédex entry in {{2v|Ruby|Sapphire}} also claims that {{p|Taillow}} feed on {{p|Wurmple}} (which is further explored in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2]] when Wurmple of Team Tasty thinks its partner, {{p|Swellow}} will eventually eat it, however Swellow seems mortified at the idea of eating her teammate). In [[Cherubi (Pokémon)|Cherubi]]'s [[Pokémon Diamond Version|Diamond]] Pokédex entry, it describes it as being "very sweet and tasty" possibly confirming that one can safely consume a Cherubi. In its [[Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum]] entry it explains that [[Starly (Pokémon)|Starly]] try to feed on Cherubi also.

{{Project ItemDex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Items]]
[[Category:Pokémon Snap]]
[[Category:Food|*]]

Released Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:23:41Z

Martonimos:

{{incomplete}}
[[Image:Ash's Butterfree DP099.jpg|right|thumb|Ash saying farewell to his {{AP|Butterfree}}.]]
'''Released Pokémon''' are [[Pokémon]] that have been {{pkmn2|caught}} by a [[Pokémon Trainer]], but are sent back into the {{pkmn2|wild}}.

==In the anime==
Throughout the [[Pokémon anime]], a Trainer releases a Pokémon for several reasons. The Trainer may see it as weak, as [[Damian]] did with {{AP|Charmander|Charizard}} and [[Paul]] with {{AP|Chimchar}}. The Pokémon may have to do something that requires it to leave (such as {{Ash}} and his {{AP|Butterfree}}). Another common reason is that the Pokémon does not listen, frustrating the Trainer. To guarantee release, some Trainers destroy the [[Poké Ball]], as seen with [[Jessie]] and her {{TP|Jessie|Dustox}}.
[[File:Chimchar release.jpg|right|thumb|The blue coloring indicating release.]]

===Pokémon released in the anime===
* [[Ash's Butterfree]] (''[[EP021|Bye Bye Butterfree]]'')
* [[Jessie's Shellder]] (''[[EP066|The Evolution Solution]]'')
* [[Ash's Pidgeot]] (''[[EP081|Pallet Party Panic]]'')
* [[Ash's Lapras]] (''[[EP113|Viva Las Lapras]]'')
* [[James's second Victreebel]] (''[[EP261|Here's Lookin' at You, Elekid]]'')
* [[James's Victreebel|The Magikarp salesman's Victreebel]] (''[[EP261|Here's Lookin' at You, Elekid]]'')
* [[James's second Victreebel]] (''[[EP261|Here's Lookin' at You, Elekid]]'')
* [[Jessie's Arbok]] (''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]'')
* [[James's Weezing]] (''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]'')
* [[Misty's Togetic]] (''[[AG045|A Togepi Mirage!]]'')
* {{p|Starly|Paul's Starly (x3)}} (''[[DP003|When Pokémon Worlds Collide!]]'')
* {{p|Stantler|Paul's Stantler}} (''[[DP006|Different Strokes for Different Blokes]]'')
* [[Dawn's Pachirisu]] (recaptured) (''[[DP019|Twice Smitten, Once Shy!]]'')
* {{AP|Paul's Chimchar|Chimchar}} (''[[DP051|Glory Blaze!]]'')
* [[Jessie's Dustox]] (''[[DP073|Crossing Paths]]'')
* [[Brandon's Regirock]] (''[[DP129]]'')
* [[Brandon's Regice]] (''[[DP129]]'')
* [[Brandon's Registeel]] (''[[DP129]]'')

==In the games==
For a {{player}} to release a Pokémon, the player must access the [[Pokémon Storage System]] on a [[PC]]. The player can release the Pokémon through the PC. Pokémon with [[HM]] moves cannot be released in some games, as without the move, the player may become trapped in an area like [[Mossdeep City]] or [[Cinnabar Island]].

{{training}}
{{gamestub}}
[[Category:Terminology]]

Pokénet

2009-07-15T04:23:15Z

Martonimos:

[[Image:Pokenetlogo.png|thumb|right|Official Pokenet Logo]]
'''Pokénet''' is a fan-made {{wp|massively multiplayer online role-playing game}} (MMORPG), coded using {{wp|Java (programming language)|Java}}, started in February 2009 by former members of [[Pokémon Global]] and [[Pokemon Online Revolution]]. The first release of Pokénet went public on June 30, 2009.

== History & Development ==
Pokénet started development in February 2009. The game is primarily programmed to address design flaws and optimise existing code from [[Pokémon Global]] and [[Pokemon Online Revolution]]. The project was started by '''Fshy94''', '''Sienide''' and '''ZombieBear''' and is programmed using the following technologies:
* {{wp|Java (programming language)|Java}}
* {{wp|Lightweight_Java_Game_Library|lwjgl}} / Slick
* Apache Mina
* Tiled
* [[Shoddy Battle]]

The current development team consists of several programmers, mappers, musicians, writers and graphics artists from around the world. Pokénet made its first release on June 30th 2009.

== Releases ==
=== Fearless Feebas ===
Fearless {{p|Feebas}} was released on June 30th 2009, marking the first release of Pokénet. Features included:
* New Login/Registration System (Play on same account on multiple servers)
* New Chat System
* New Item System
* Multiple Language Support (''English'', ''Spanish'', ''Italian'', ''Portugese'', ''French'', ''German'', ''Dutch'', ''Finnish'')
* [[Wild Pokémon]]
* [[Caught Pokémon|Catching]] (including Boxes)
* [[Level]]ing/[[Evolution]]
* [[Johto]]
* Player vs. Player Battles
* Trading
* New [[Pokémon Battle|Battle System]] based on [[Pokémon Platinum Version]]

=== Valiant Venonat ===
Valiant [[Venonat]] is the second release planned for Pokénet. The plan for this release is to provide a skills system to add new gameplay elements.

==== Planned Skills System ====
Under the planned skills system, each trainer would have the ability to develop skills in different aspects of Pokémon. The skills are planned as follows:
* [[Pokémon Trainer|Trainer Skill]]
* [[Pokémon Breeding|Breeding Skill]]
* [[Pokémon Coordinator|Co-ordinating Skill]]
* [[Fishing|Fishing Skill]]
* Crafting Skill (allows creation of items such as [[Potion|Potions]])

=== Future Releases ===
After ''Valiant [[Venonat]]'', there will be a Release Candidate (name still undecided), followed by the final release. Future releases will incorporate other aspects of [[Pokémon]] and MMORPGs such as:
* Quests
* [[Pokémon Contests]]
* All regions including [[Hoenn]], [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Sinnoh]] and the [[Orange Islands]].

== Source Code ==
The source code to Pokénet is available under the {{wp|GNU_General_Public_License|GNU General Public License Version 3}} and can be located in the [http://pokenetonline.googlecode.com Pokénet Google Code SVN].

== External Links ==
* [http://www.pokedev.org Pokénet Official Website]
* [http://www.pokedev.org/forums/ Pokénet Development Forums]
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/pokenetonline Pokénet YouTube Channel]
* [http://code.google.com/p/pokenetonline/ Pokénet SVN]

{{Project Fandom notice}}
[[Category:Fan sites]]

Remake

2009-07-15T04:22:48Z

Martonimos:

A '''remake''' is a term used to describe something that is done again, in a new and updated style, such as a {{wp|video game remake}}. In Pokémon terms, it can refer to two pairs of games:
*{{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, remakes of the [[Generation I]] games {{game|Red and Green|s}} during [[Generation III]].
*{{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, remakes of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} during [[Generation IV]].

==Remake speculation==
{{main|Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation}}
[[Image:ChikoritaJohto2.PNG|thumb|right|From Johto]]
Before the announcement of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, many had speculated a remake of Gold and Silver since the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} in 2004. In the [[Generation IV]] games, location pointer data (for a [[caught Pokémon]]'s status screen) includes a reference to ''Johto'', much like it does for [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]] when a Pokémon is transferred forward from [[Generation III]]. This left programmers the opportunity to see Johto make an appearance in [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|future games]] compatible with {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

Because of the "pattern" established by remaking both Red and Green and Gold and Silver two [[generation]]s after their original release, it is now being speculated that [[Generation III]] remakes may appear sometime in the future, possibly during [[Generation V]].

{{disambiguation}}

Primo

2009-07-15T04:22:01Z

Martonimos:

:''For the [[Pokémon Daisuki Club]] card of the same name, see {{TCG ID|Fan Club|Poké Dude|promo}}.''
:''For the character who teaches players how to catch Pokémon in [[Generation II]], see [[Dude]].''
----
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name=Poké Dude |
jname=テレビのおにいさん |
tmname=Older Brother of TV |
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caption= |
gender=Male |
hometown=Unknown, possibly [[Viridian City]] |
region=[[Kanto]] |
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trainerclass={{pkmn|Trainer}} |
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The '''Poké Dude''' (Japanese: '''テレビのおにいさん''' ''Older Brother of TV'') is the host of the Poké Dude Show available on the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Teachy TV}}, which only appears in [[Generation III]]. He teaches the player:

*how to {{pkmn|battle}}
*how to {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} [[Pokémon]]
*what [[Damage modification|type matchups]] are
*what a [[status ailment]] is
*what [[TM]]s are

The Poké Dude is the grandson of the {{Ka|Old man}} in [[Viridian City]] who taught the player how to catch Pokémon in [[Generation I]], and gives the Teachy TV in Generation III.

==Pokémon==
{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:012.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Butterfree}}
|LV1=Lv. 15
|G1={{male}}
|HI1=
|M1P1={{m|Confusion}}
|M2P1={{m|Stun Spore}}
|M3P1={{m|Sleep Powder}}
|M4P1={{m|PoisonPowder}}

|#2=[[Image:039.png]]
|Poke2={{p|Jigglypuff}}
|LV2=Lv. 11
|G2={{male}}
|HI2=
|M1P2={{m|Pound}}
|M2P2={{m|Sing}}{{tt|*|not shown, just assumed from Gen III moveset}}
|M3P2={{m|Defense Curl}}{{tt|*|not shown, just assumed, just assumed from Gen III moveset}}
|M4P2=---

|#3=[[Image:019.png]]
|Poke3={{p|Rattata}}
|LV3=Lv. 15
|G3={{male}}
|HI3=
|M1P3={{m|Tackle}}
|M2P3={{m|Hyper Fang}}
|M3P3={{m|Quick Attack}}
|M4P3={{m|Tail Whip}}

|#4=[[Image:060.png]]
|Poke4={{p|Poliwag}}
|LV4=Lv. 15
|G4={{male}}
|HI4=
|M1P4={{m|Bubble}}
|M2P4={{m|Water Gun}}
|M3P4={{m|Hypnosis}}
|M4P4=---
|}}

==TMs owned==
{| {{bluetable}}.
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!TM
!Move
|-
! style="background: #{{fighting color}};" | [[TM01]]
| {{m|Focus Punch}}
|-
! style="background: #{{water color}};" | [[TM03]]
| {{m|Water Pulse}}
|-
! style="background: #{{grass color}};" | [[TM09]]
| {{m|Bullet Seed}}
|-
! style="background: #{{fire color}};" | [[TM35]]
| {{m|Flamethrower}}
|}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring the Poké Dude or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #DDDDFF;"
!Name
!Type
!Rarity
!Set
|-
| {{TCG ID|Fan Club|Poké Dude|promo}} || T || - || {{TCG|Unnumbered Promotional cards}} (no English release)
|}

==Quotes==
At the start of the show: 
''Hey, all you Trainers out there! HELLO, Trainers! …Come on, let me hear you! HELLO, Trainers! It's me, the Poké Dude!''

Before moving to a particular aspect of the show: 
''All righty, here goes! Keep your eyes glued to the super Poké Dude Show!''

At the end of the show: 
''Remember, Trainers, a good deed a day brings happiness to stay!''

==Gallery==
<gallery perrow="4">
Image:Teachytv.JPG|The Teachy TV menu screen.
Image:Teachytv2.jpg|The Teachy TV logo is displayed at the start of each show.
Image:Pokedude.JPG|Each show is set in this secret area, inaccessible in-game.
Image:Pokedude2.JPG|Poké Dude teaches by engaging battles with wild Pokémon.
</gallery>

==Trivia==
*[[Hironobu Yoshida]] once performed in a live-action version of Teachy TV, dressing up as the Poké Dude to present it. Depictions of him in various poses form the basis for the illustration for the Poké Dude promotional card.
*Aside from [[Gym Leader]]s, the Poké Dude is one of few [[Non-player character|NPCs]] shown to possess TMs. He is the only NPC shown to possess a {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|TM Case}}, though it is natural to assume that other Trainers also own TM Cases.

{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[ja:テレビのおにいさん]]

Caught Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:19:00Z

Martonimos: Updating page

'''Caught Pokémon''' are [[Pokémon]] that have been put in the control of a [[Pokémon Trainer]] by the use of a [[Poké Ball]], or by [[Traded Pokémon|trading]] with another Trainer. The capturing process typically involves a {{pkmn|battle}} in which the Pokémon is at first weakened and/or affected with a [[status ailment]], at which point the Trainer throws a Poké Ball (or upgraded version) at said Pokémon in order to catch it. Catching Pokémon is central to all canons in the Pokémon franchise; a caught Pokémon can be used in battling and for quests to aid Trainers, whereas Pokémon in the wild cannot, except in some episodes in the anime. Pokémon that are caught, however, do not need to obey their masters; if a Pokémon is traded and the Trainer does not have the [[badge]] required, it may disobey and refuse to attack during battles. According to the anime, even with many badges or being [[Ash's Pikachu|under original ownership]], [[Ash's Charizard|many Pokémon]] still may refuse to battle until trust is gained between the Trainer and Pokémon.

Caught Pokémon are stronger than [[wild Pokémon|Pokémon in the wild]] in the {{pkmn|games}}. At the same level, a caught Pokémon will have more points in every statistic than a wild one; this is due to the fact that caught Pokémon gain [[EV]]s from every battle they partake in, and therefore, on training, will gain points in their stats based on what they've encountered. This becomes more and more obvious at the later stages of the game, where the higher levels allow for a greater disparity of stats between caught and wild Pokémon, especially those raised from a low level, giving the Trainer a more decisive edge in wild battles. It's important to note, however, that Pokémon controlled by other Trainers are just as strong statistically (at the same level) as the player's are. Caught Pokémon can level up and learn new moves in battle, while wild Pokémon cannot, and can [[evolution|evolve]].

Newly caught Pokémon are no stronger or weaker than their wild counterparts, with the exception of innate [[Individual values|IV]] differences.
Using an [[Luxury Ball|upgraded]] [[Friend Ball|version]] of a Poké Ball may increase the [[happiness]] of the caught Pokémon upon capture, as well.

==Captured Pokémon==
A related concept to caught Pokémon is '''captured Pokémon''', from the [[Pokémon Ranger (game)|Ranger]] [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|series]]. While catching uses a Poké Ball, capturing requires a [[Capture Styler]], and the captured Pokémon can only be used once for either capturing another Pokémon or for its [[Field Move]] before it's automatically released.

==Trivia==
*In the anime, {{Ash}}, {{an|May}} and [[Max]] show confusion when they first witness [[Solana]] use her [[Capture Styler]]. Ths is because of the difference between the concept of ''catching'' a Pokémon and ''capturing'' one. The difference in the terms is hair-splittingly thin, but they do refer to separate concepts.

==See also==
*[[Poké Ball]]
*[[Capture Styler]]
*[[Item]]

{{gamestub}}
{{training}}
[[Category:Terminology]]

Caught Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:10:18Z

Martonimos: Don't need this anymore...

'''Captured Pokémon''' are [[Pokémon]] that have been put in the control of a [[Pokémon Trainer]] by the use of a [[Poké Ball]], [[Capture Styler]] or [[Traded Pokémon|trading]] with another Trainer. The capturing process typically involves a {{pkmn|battle}} in which the Pokémon is at first weakened and/or affected with a [[status ailment]], at which point the Trainer throws a Poké Ball (or upgraded version) at said Pokémon in order to catch it. Capturing Pokémon is central to all canons in the Pokémon franchise; a captured Pokémon can be used in battling and for quests to aid Trainers, whereas Pokémon in the wild cannot, except in some episodes in the anime. Pokémon that are captured, however, do not need to obey their masters; if a Pokémon is traded and the Trainer does not have the [[badge]] required, it may disobey and refuse to attack during battles. According to the anime, even with many badges or being [[Ash's Pikachu|under original ownership]], [[Ash's Charizard|many Pokémon]] still may refuse to battle until trust is gained between the Trainer and Pokémon.

Captured Pokémon are stronger than [[wild Pokémon|Pokémon in the wild]] in the {{pkmn|games}}. At the same level, a captured Pokémon will have more points in every statistic than a wild one; this is due to the fact that captured Pokémon gain [[EV]]s from every battle they partake in, and therefore, on training, will gain points in their stats based on what they've encountered. This becomes more and more obvious at the later stages of the game, where the higher levels allow for a greater disparity of stats between captured and wild Pokémon, especially those raised from a low level, giving the Trainer a more decisive edge in wild battles. It's important to note, however, that Pokémon controlled by other Trainers are just as strong statistically (at the same level) as the player's are. Captured Pokémon can level up and learn new moves in battle, while wild Pokémon cannot, and can [[evolution|evolve]].

Newly captured Pokémon are no stronger or weaker than their wild counterparts, with the exception of innate [[Individual values|IV]] differences.
Using an [[Luxury Ball|upgraded]] [[Friend Ball|version]] of a Poké Ball may increase the [[happiness]] of the captured Pokémon upon capture, as well.

==Trivia==
*In the anime, {{Ash}}, {{an|May}} and [[Max]] show confusion when they first witness [[Solana]] use her [[Capture Styler]]. The term "capture" seems like an entirely new concept to them even though they are supposed to be familiar with the word.

==See also==
*[[Poké Ball]]
*[[Capture Styler]]
*[[Item]]

{{gamestub}}
{{training}}
[[Category:Terminology]]

Template:Training

2009-07-15T04:09:59Z

Martonimos: Update link

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<noinclude>[[Category:Terminology]]</noinclude>

Talk:Caught Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:09:04Z

Martonimos: moved Talk:Captured Pokémon to Talk:Caught Pokémon: "Capture" has more to do with the Ranger series; the term used in the main series is almost always "Catch."

== Move to "Caught Pokémon" ==

The concept of a "captured Pokémon" is exclusive to the Ranger games. In the main series, they always refer to it as "catching." I know, the difference between "capturing" and "catching" is minimal, but that's how the terminology seems to work. So very stupid. Anyway, if there are no objections, I'd like to move the page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with this move for the reasons Martonimos stated. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 19:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
::Voting for the page move, catching is a better term here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, I planned to give this five days to see if anyone would complain. It's now been closer to seven, and nobody's come to say "no," so I guess I'll move it. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Captured Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:09:03Z

Martonimos: moved Captured Pokémon to Caught Pokémon: "Capture" has more to do with the Ranger series; the term used in the main series is almost always "Catch."

#REDIRECT [[Caught Pokémon]]

Caught Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:09:03Z

Martonimos: moved Captured Pokémon to Caught Pokémon: "Capture" has more to do with the Ranger series; the term used in the main series is almost always "Catch."

{{move|Caught Pokémon}}
'''Captured Pokémon''' are [[Pokémon]] that have been put in the control of a [[Pokémon Trainer]] by the use of a [[Poké Ball]], [[Capture Styler]] or [[Traded Pokémon|trading]] with another Trainer. The capturing process typically involves a {{pkmn|battle}} in which the Pokémon is at first weakened and/or affected with a [[status ailment]], at which point the Trainer throws a Poké Ball (or upgraded version) at said Pokémon in order to catch it. Capturing Pokémon is central to all canons in the Pokémon franchise; a captured Pokémon can be used in battling and for quests to aid Trainers, whereas Pokémon in the wild cannot, except in some episodes in the anime. Pokémon that are captured, however, do not need to obey their masters; if a Pokémon is traded and the Trainer does not have the [[badge]] required, it may disobey and refuse to attack during battles. According to the anime, even with many badges or being [[Ash's Pikachu|under original ownership]], [[Ash's Charizard|many Pokémon]] still may refuse to battle until trust is gained between the Trainer and Pokémon.

Captured Pokémon are stronger than [[wild Pokémon|Pokémon in the wild]] in the {{pkmn|games}}. At the same level, a captured Pokémon will have more points in every statistic than a wild one; this is due to the fact that captured Pokémon gain [[EV]]s from every battle they partake in, and therefore, on training, will gain points in their stats based on what they've encountered. This becomes more and more obvious at the later stages of the game, where the higher levels allow for a greater disparity of stats between captured and wild Pokémon, especially those raised from a low level, giving the Trainer a more decisive edge in wild battles. It's important to note, however, that Pokémon controlled by other Trainers are just as strong statistically (at the same level) as the player's are. Captured Pokémon can level up and learn new moves in battle, while wild Pokémon cannot, and can [[evolution|evolve]].

Newly captured Pokémon are no stronger or weaker than their wild counterparts, with the exception of innate [[Individual values|IV]] differences.
Using an [[Luxury Ball|upgraded]] [[Friend Ball|version]] of a Poké Ball may increase the [[happiness]] of the captured Pokémon upon capture, as well.

==Trivia==
*In the anime, {{Ash}}, {{an|May}} and [[Max]] show confusion when they first witness [[Solana]] use her [[Capture Styler]]. The term "capture" seems like an entirely new concept to them even though they are supposed to be familiar with the word.

==See also==
*[[Poké Ball]]
*[[Capture Styler]]
*[[Item]]

{{gamestub}}
{{training}}
[[Category:Terminology]]

Talk:Caught Pokémon

2009-07-15T04:08:16Z

Martonimos: /* Move to "Caught Pokémon" */ Martonimos HATES losses of session data.

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-07-14T17:22:58Z

Martonimos: /* Final proof */

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-07-14T00:06:45Z

Martonimos: /* Final proof */

Lyra (game)

2009-07-12T20:11:26Z

Martonimos: We ARE discussing merging it, we might as well have this template.

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| '''The subject of this article has no official name.''' The name currently in-use is a fan designator; see below for more information.
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'''Soul''' (Japanese: '''ソウル''' ''Soul'') is the female [[player character]] in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the counterpart to {{ga|Gold}} in the same games. She is a young girl who lives with her mother in [[New Bark Town]].
[[File:Goldandsoul.png|thumb|left|Soul speaking with [[Gold (game)|Gold]]]]
Currently, this is the only known information about her, and details of any and all changed plots in HeartGold and SoulSilver from the original Gold and Silver are nonexistent at the current time. Her name, likewise, is unknown, but assumed to follow the pattern that {{ga|Leaf}} does in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, as Leaf is named after the prefix of the second version, while her {{ga|Red|male counterpart}} is named for the primary original version and her {{ga|Blue|rival}} is named for the secondary original version.

Due to her similar hair and the revelation that HeartGold and SoulSilver will incorporate Crystal elements, it is believed by many fans that she is to [[Kris (game)|Kris]] what {{ga|Leaf}} is to {{special|Blue}}: a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's {{pkmn|Special}} counterpart {{special|Crystal}} likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and {{jo|Marina}}), and currently has brown hair again. Given this ambiguity, as well as a lack of information on HeartGold and SoulSilver currently, this article will remain until a potential confirmation of Soul's identity.

Soul can be seen talking with {{ga|Gold}} in [[New Bark Town]] at the start off the game. In this particular scene, she is seen with a {{p|Marill}}. It is still unknown if she will always have Marill or if the Pokémon will change if another [[starter Pokémon]] is selected.
 
{{Player characters}} 
{{charstub}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Playable characters]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver characters]]
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Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-07-12T06:37:28Z

Martonimos: /* Put this image in please */

User:Martonimos

2009-07-12T02:45:55Z

Martonimos: So stupid...

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I'm just hanging out, looking for info on {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}.

My list of commonly mislinked pages can be found [[/Relinks|here]].

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*Bulbagarden forums: [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=21382 Martonimos]
*TFWiki: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:Martonimos Martonimos]
*FanFiction.net: [http://www.fanfiction.net/u/654556/Wyrmseeker Wyrmseeker]
*Facebook: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 Vodka Martini]
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Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-07-11T00:33:37Z

Martonimos: /* Final proof */

User:Martonimos

2009-07-07T18:02:33Z

Martonimos: UGH. I'll need to fix those square-bordered custom boxes when I have more time. Grah!

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Talk:Caught Pokémon

2009-07-07T17:43:54Z

Martonimos: Move to "Caught Pokémon"

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-06-30T01:48:33Z

Martonimos: /* Arceus Event */

User:Martonimos

2009-06-24T20:49:22Z

Martonimos:

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User:Martonimos

2009-06-24T20:48:34Z

Martonimos: Sorry, Trom, didn't mean to make you do that.

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Talk:Lake guardians

2009-06-23T03:59:16Z

Martonimos: /* Name... */

Why won't the links to Neptune and Jupiter work? The one for Minerva works. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Fun|Fun]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 01:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'll take a look, but if I can't fix it, ask [[User:Zhen Lin|Zhen]] to. -[[User:Politoed666|Politoed666]] 01:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
::I got it. You accidentally used a colon instead of a | between wp and Jupiter or Neptune. -[[User:Politoed666|Politoed666]] 01:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== Puddle shapes ==

{{u|M.vit}} added to this page that the three puddles are in the shapes of the [[dragon trio]]. I can sort of see {{p|Giratina}} in Uxie's cave, but {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Dialga}}... I just don't see them. Does anyone believe this is true besides M.vit? There may be something to this, but I want to get everyone's opinion before I revert again. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]]
:On second thought, I will revert it, and we can add it later if we decide it's correct. Better to keep speculation off the pages and add facts later. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 07:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:: In fact, I can't see anything.... All I see is A triangle in Uxie's Cavern, A Square in Both Azelf's and Mesprit's Cavern. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, the first puddle seen in the article is giratina, which has a shape like this http://gallery.bulbagarden.net/albums/userpics/11378/thumb_giratina.jpg for the second one, you can see dialga's face, with one of the dots acting as his eye, the third one looks like palkia's pearl mixed with his head.--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 19:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Anyone else want to weigh in? Although now that you mention it, FF, I think that the third puddle actually looks more like a circle. They all have the weird lines coming out of them, though... --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see it:
*Uxie's cave has Giratina's head.
*the 2nd one is dialaga's head
*the 3rd is palkia's head.
[[User:Sailor Earth|セーラー地球]] 09:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmm.. I can see it, A little bit. Just can make up the picture [[User:ForceFire|Force Fire]] 09:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see Giratina and Dialga. Having trouble with Palkia though. I think this speculation, however, is correct. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 07:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Distance ==

I found out that each of the caves according to units on the town map (I.E the one that mention the cave and spear pillar and including girantinas lake) ar roughly 12 units away for each of them by the Pythagorean Theorem. Show anything? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Name... ==

I know ''I'' made up the name "lake trio" but I'm thinking that a better way to describe them would be legendary pixies. Plus, then they'd fit with the other three standard trios. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:What standard? Beasts, birds, golems, dragons, fine, that's a standard...and then there's the weather trio. They don't have a standard, thus break any standard one would have. Everyone calls them the lake trio anyway. Besides being sprite-like (as in fae, not pixel), it's what they have in common that's the most blaringly obvious. Change 'lake' and you'd have to change 'weather'...and the only thing they have in common is the Bible. And we {{tt|cannot|under, like, ANY circumstance}} call them that. Lake trio is fine. ...It's also shorter. You know how people in this fandom like their short hand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I also do not see a problem with Lake Trio....I like it.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I guess... I created the name, can't get people off it. I just wonder what happens when GSDS comes out and isn't called something that starts with GSDS... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::The weather and dragon trios aren't the same as the lake trio, or the legendary birds/beasts/golems. Legendary Pixies would match better with the other three. I think TTE has the right idea. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't disagree with a namechange, but pixies? Can't we at least think of something better? Pixies is just..... odd. Too odd. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Lake Trio doesn't match with Dragon trio or Weather trio, since they have nothing to do with lakes. They are just found in them. I agree it should be renamed but I am not sure whether it should be "pixies". [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 07:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, OK. Other good options are fairies/faeries or sprites. I'm sure we can come up with plenty more. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 09:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Propose "legendary spirits". — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

How about "Lake Guardians", seeing that's what they're collectively called in the anime, and no one else calls them anything else in canon media. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

They are referred to as "Lake Guardians" by [[Cynthia]]. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:Sounds good. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::By that, then Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres should be at [[Winged Mirages]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Haven't they actually been ''called'' the legendary birds officially as well, though? Meanwhile Lake Guardians seems to be the ''only'' thing Azelf, Uxie and Mesprit have been called (I assume we're discounting "mirage Pokémon," since that's a Japanese generic term the English games decided to start using).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, only in DP096. In the previous episodes, they were referred individually. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::...so, are we going to move this, or what? [[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Everyone knows them as the Lake Trio now, I'd just leave the title as it is. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

On second thoughts... how about Mind Trio? Just an idea. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Both of the names sound good. I think that Lake Guardians makes them sound more "legendary". --Usyflad10 22:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:Dude... notice the date before you comment on a page. This is from back in the first week of June. That was the fifth. This is the twenty-third. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::And in all that time, we haven't come to a conclusion. I think we should move the page. There's not a lot of dissent, and if there's an outcry afterwards, we can change it back. I don't have the power to do it myself, so... --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Puddles ==

... What I WAS going to say in my edit summary was 'I'm not seeing it.. besides, it's just speculation, isn't it?'. I think a discussion'd be better than just going back and forth in an edit war, so.. um, how do these puddles resemble the DPPt mascots? [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:The Uxie picture is clearly Giratina facing forward. The 2 puddles are eyes, Mesprit's puddle is Diala facing east, the top puddle is the eye, the bottom puddle is in its mouth, Azelf's puddle is Palkia facing west, top puddle is it's eye, bottom puddle is in its mouth. Quite a few people have seen it [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 21:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::i think they actually do bear slight resemblances to the dragon trio. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hm. Now that you point it out, it does kinda look like the three dragons.. It'd be a little less vague if the page said which lake looked like which dragon, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Politoed666 is being an ass. Even though Deth (another admin) can see it, and the consensus on this page says they can see it, he has decided to over ride consensus and over ride another admin, and put his own views, instead of what the consensus is. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:No. They don't. Additionally, Max-o, I'm E.B., which means I technically win against all of you. However, if anyone else wants to weigh in, I may be persuaded to change my mind. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are you acting like a dictator, do you need glasses, it's clear which is which, are you saying this happened by accident, why then did the game makers make all the puddles different, and it's clear that the makers were thinking about these puddles, as they included a location of the other 2 lakes. The info has been on there for ages, and the majority can see it. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Come on, Politoed. You know, its true (not about the glasses thing)and its better to have that than absolutely nothing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't usually like getting involved in these arguments, as I don't feel I contribute enough to have a say, but when I saw these puddles in-game the first thing I though was that they looked like the dragons, so I have to agree with the majority here, the puddles do clearly resemble the dragongs. [[User:Crest|'''C R''']] [[User talk:Crest|'''E S''']] [[special:Contributions/Crest|'''T ☆''']] 22:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nice try Crest... Or should I say Super Max? The admins can see your IP address... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

==Shut the hell up==

Speculation like this has no place on Bulbapedia. Take it to the forums. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 22:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's now 5-2, and we are arguing about how to improve the article, so it does belong on Bulbapedia, even 2 admins are involved in the argument, and can you talk to people with a bit more respect, we have a code of conduct page you know. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{p|Ditto}} on the {{bp|Code of conduct|conduct thing}}. But in case you didn't know, Max, Ketsuban's an admin too...--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=34706 Take it to the forums.] [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 22:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This page isn't just a speculation. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 08:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::She was talking about people seeing the Dragon trio in the puddle's shapes, not the page itself. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Ahh. I thought it was the article. SMax's answer made me confused. @_@ '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 08:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lake Guardians ==

Should the article be renamed with this? They were referred like this. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 14:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:Capitalized or no? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::I guess it's better if it isn't capitalized. It would be consistent with the other pages. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 18:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Puddle Shapes ==

I just noticed something. Uxie has a circular head, Azelf has a triangular head, and Mesprit has four things on its head that, if spread out, would make an x shape. If you connect the points on an X, you get a square

...Didn't ANYBODY else see this? ~ Shadowater [April 11th, 2009, 9:46 PM GMT -7 (I don't know how to use the time stamp >.<)]
:Just type four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
::No, sorry, we were busy arguing about whether or not they're the Dragon Trio's heads.
::This is an interesting theory, but I don't see it in Mesprit. It looks triangular, too. It's otherwise a neat pattern, though. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:A circle, a triangle and an X are the three symbols used for judging in the Set KO Tourney in Emerald aren't they? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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== i put this picture on AG 171 ==

[[Image:AG1712.jpg‎]]
{{unsigned|Lindsayoris15}}

:I'd say go for it, provided you start signing your comments and using better grammar/punctuation. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Upload anime screenshots as png images. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== CAN I PUT THIS PICTURE ON ==

[[Image:Allegra1.jpg‎]] it the only picture i can find beside the other one[[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 23:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:It's definetly sharp--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::And it's JPG too. Anime screenshot as pngs, please, this is the guideline I've heard. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== i put this picture on an alternate dimension ==

[[Image:Alternate_dimension.jpg‎]] [[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 23:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Srsly. Are you reading what I put up there? png, not jpg. Yeah, you're not reading nor you are interested. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== ??? ==

<code>01010011 01101111 00101100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101110 01110100 01110010 01101111 01101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01000010 01110101 01101100 01100010 01100001 01000010 01101111 01110100 00111111</code> [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 21:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:''The hell...?'' --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:Oh... No, I don't ''control'' it, persay, but it's my good friend. I felt the need to stand up for it. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

::<code>01001001 01100110 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01100110 01110010 01101001 01100101 01101110 01100100 00101100 00100000 01110111 01101000 01111001 00100000 01100100 01101001 01100100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 00100010 01000010 01100001 01110011 01110100 01100001 01110010 01100100 01000010 01101111 01110100 00100010 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110100 01100001 01101011 01100101 00100000 01100001 01110111 01100001 01111001 00100000 01101001 01110100 01110011 00100000 01100001 01100100 01101101 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110010 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100 01110011 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100110 01101111 01110010 01100101 00111111</code> [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 21:27 12/22/2008

== Disambiguated Pokémon Special characters ==

The link template for them is [[Template:Special]]. [[Template:S]] is for shippings. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:...Shut up, 'pikablu. I knew that. D: --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Double links ==

"Also, only link to an article once within a given portion of text; if you say "Ash" more than once in a paragraph, only link it the first time." – From the {{Bp|Manual of style|MoS}}. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 23:46 12/22/2008

:Can't find that. Link me to the section? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

::Paragraph four in [[Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style#Article_titles|this section]]. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 23:49 12/22/2008

:::That's ridiculous. I'll talk to TTE about that. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::::What's so ridiculous about that? Usually the people read the thing from the beginning to the end, and they get the link since it's there once. It also makes the page smaller in size and easier to read since not every second word is blue and every other black. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Atheism ==

I find the fact that you see the entire "atheism" page funny very offensive. All I have to say. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:Dunno what the hell you're talking about. Are you from Conservapedia? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

::No, I'm an atheist. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:::As am I and so are some of my best friends. I get what you're saying now. No, the reason I find the Conservapedia article on Atheism funny isn't because I find Atheism itself funny; it's because that article is pure dumbassery. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 00:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, okay. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't realize at first that it was conservapedia... I really need to start reading things through. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

:::No problem! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 00:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== In response: ==

I guess it doesn't matter what you call me. I don't write out Politoed666 every time I refer to you. And then there's Mav, TTE, and SP252, so... --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 03:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:I'm thankful it's Mav and no longer Moldy... ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::pff. Your still Moldy Orange where it counts *points to heart*. What a mouthful for Shiningpikablu. I just type 252 for him[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== Re:Swift Empoleon ==

Heya, Politoed666. Thanks for the complement on [[Swift Empoleon (TCG)|Swift Empoleon]]. I'll work on the article, I only did it quickly at the start. It will making it as good a Queendom, maybe even better. lol n00bs -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 01:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

:Any time. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== What? ==

How is 5 a sheer number of uncategorized pages on Conservapedia? Yeah, I'm a Christian, but I don't really care about websites like that. Still, that isn't much. I just don't see how it's funny. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== OK, so... ==

It's an [[User:The dark lord trombonator/Bulbapedia:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]] policy, not a strict "{{tt|civility|I'm never going to get someone to call it Bulbaquette, am I?}}" policy. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Feel free to edit it, either of you, if you feel it's not quite what you're looking for. That goes for all users, btw, if anyone is reading this and is interested. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

::Hmmm... I don't have time to read it right now, but I'll look at it tomorrow and make a judgement then. And actually, I like Bulbaquette. ''I shall make it happen!'' --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 04:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::evkl just posted the new {{bp|code of conduct}}. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Gah! Alrighty, then. I'll check that out tomorrow, too! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 04:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== About the rename... ==

You forget about it? Or are you just having trouble doing it?--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[User:Kkllnn|K]] [[user talk:Kkllnn|l]]lnn 22:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:Thankies.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user talk:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::No problem. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Move-protection ==

Can the main characters be moved-protected to sysop? I think it is within reason to do this so that some vandal doesn't come along and move them. Main characters, as well various other things need proper move protection. I can think of the following to be move-protected as well: Items, Poké balls, Pokémon disambiguation pages, and the game articles. --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 23:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

For unblocking me. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 02:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:No problem. You were in the right. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Sorry ==
I am new to bulbapedia so sorry for going past the limit. :( --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 23:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I know how that can feel. I used to be on wikipedia, (By the way im now inactive on wikipedia and i was anfish then) and people who ignore warnings get temporary or permanent ban. ;) --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 23:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Administrator Status ==

In order to keep our Administrator list currently up-to-date, this is a generic "are you there" message.

You've been assumed as currently active and are already marked as such, but if you disagree with this, either edit the [[Bulbapedia:Administrators#List_of_administrators|List of administrators]] to reflect your status (Active, Hiatus, Inactive), or reply here when you get the chance. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 16:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

:You serious? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

:He sent it to everyone just to make sure everyone was described however they wanted. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

::And actually, it seems like I'm not especially active because I'm devoting more of my time to the forums right now. I'll be back soon, though. And I still do visit every day for about an hour, hiding in the shadows of RC. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

:::So all good then. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jacobe ==

Hi, I am an administrator of Pokemon Global, and one of my wiki editors, Jacobe, informs me that he has been banned from bulbapedia by you. He quotes the reason given for the ban as: "Because we just don't like you: Evidence of clear info transfer between our wiki and his. No can do.."

He claims that he does not transfer information from bulbapedia to his articles, and furthermore, under the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 license under which all content in bulbapedia is governed, all content may be freely modified and redistributed under a similar license, of which our wiki is under. If you are indeed banning people for something which your license not only allows but encourages, this deeply concerns me. I would like some clarification over the reason for this ban, and I look forward to resolving this matter in a timely manner. --[[User:Fshy94|Fshy94]] 20:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

:Hey there. Yes, I did ban Jacobe. And if he says he's not transferring information, he's a bit of a liar, as can be evidenced by what it says [[User:Jacobe|here]]. Additionally, yeah, you are free to take Bulbapedia content provided you attribute it to Bulbapedia. See the bold section [[Bulbapedia:Copyrights|here]]. Read the whole thing while you're at it. So, in essence, if you wanna take our content you oughta have a good size banner that says "HEY GUYS WE ESSENTIALLY RIPPED THIS FROM [[Main Page|BULBAPEDIA]]" so you actually are abiding by the ANCSA 2.5 license. And I don't see the word "Bulbapedia" anywhere on your wiki. And just for good measure, what license ''exactly'' is your wiki under?

:And the "We just don't like you" reason is a common reason for blocking. We have "funny reasons" to choose from if we don't feel like putting "Other" but the offense doesn't fall into any real categories. So, the reason for the ban is that he even ''admitted'' to transferring content between wikis. He didn't even give credit, and we '''just don't like that.''' And, if I'm not mistaken, our license has nothing at all to say about whether I can or cannot ban people for any reason at all. Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:: Thanks for responding in a timely manner. He says that he misspoke when he wrote that, but at any rate, this feels like a rather trivial event. As for abiding to the ANCSA license, looking around, our entire wiki team has failed to reference any sources properly, which is something that they may wish to...well, do (they're a bit green with wiki's). As for banners, that's not specified in the license, so I presume a simple reference would suffice, or an "External links" section, which seems to be the current policy in wikipedia. I agree that the license does not stipulate whether you can ban anyone for any reason you please, but that's a rather odd way of looking at it, no? Oh, and btw, we're also under ANCSA(3.0 with us). I understand that some of the reason for the hostility may be due to a feeling that our wiki competes with yours; but that's not quite the case, we merely wish to have a reference of information related to our game, as some of that information clearly isn't relevant to bulbapedia's purpose. At any rate, while your banning or unbanning Jacobe matters little, I think it'd be a gesture of good faith, as I highly doubt Jacobe intentionally or maliciously broke your policy. --[[User:Fshy94|Fshy94]] 06:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Alright. I understand. I apologize for being harsh earlier, and I appreciate your diplomacy through the ordeal. I ''will'' unblock Jacobe as a gesture of good faith provided you agree to cite Bulbapedia as a reference when creating the article. As opposed to simply linking to us in your external links section, it would be appreciated if you would create an additional section titled "references" and link to us there. Thank you. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Many thanks. I will inform the wiki team to do just that, and I appreciate your diplomacy as well. I'll walk my wiki team through proper referencing technique as well, and I look forward to working with you guys in the future. --[[User:Fshy94|Fshy94]] 23:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:::::Sounds good. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== New Project? ==

Is it okay if I make a new project? I wanted to make one about fandom. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 23:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Has been taken care of, via Nate. Thanks anyway Poli. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== come on ==

It's 5-2, the majority can see it, even you can see it. I think you should go with what consensus says instead of just using your powers to spite people. Come on Poli, you seem kinda down today, like on Aim, you just seemed kinda upset about something.

It's clear what the puddles are, the creators put thought into them, that's fact, and many can see that's what they are. It's not speculation, it's common sense. You can see it with your eyes. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:I'll start a forum poll. If your side wins, we MIGHT keep it. If TTE says no, we absolutely do NOT keep it. Aaaaaand... no, I'm not upset about anything. Not anything except this bull, though. It annoys me. But I'm not especially angry with any of you. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

No one uses the forum polls, I already sent an offline IM to TTE asking what he thinks, can't we just say, let him decide? oh and come back on aim, I wanted a regular chat. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:Don't wanna come on AIM right now. I'll be back on in a little bit. And oh yes, [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=34314 people use the forum polls.] --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Left a response on my talk page. ==

Short version: I check here all the time but I don't see much lately in dire need of editing, but I still do my part whenever I see the need. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:Checking all the time isn't exactly contributing anything. You have to actually do something. I usually find little things to do. Rules are is that you have to be a frequent editor. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::Now it's mostly just little things though, that's the thing. Be it really minor additions or fixes to otherwise comprehensive articles, placement of a new tag I've never seen on an existing template, all I see in the recent changes lately are tweaks and small things. There is one big article I had been working on that's incomplete, and I still want to keep going along at it, but otherwise I just don't see anything except if it's big breaking news, and half the time others have done it already. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Reply on your Talk Page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
== {{bp|Project Games}} ==

I would like to be the leader of this project. I came to know that you were among the persons to go to in this regard from [[Bulbapedia:Project Leaders|this page]]. What do I have to do in this regard to become a project leader of this project?--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 13:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Reply on your Talk Page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

:I would like a quick response from you about this. I have a few plans about the improvement of this project and I would like to act fast.--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 10:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank u Poli, if u mean it. And regarding the administratorship nominee usertag, well, if u haven't noticed, I haven't had much time to update that page. And I do know one thing: that tag ain't goin on my page at least until you current administrators move onto better things--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Reply on your Talk Page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== here ==

"There are legitimate reasons for creating new accounts when you already have one, for example, if you wish to be dissociated from your past. '''''In these cases, there is no need to obtain permission''''', however, you must stop using your old account as soon as possible."
:Directly quoted from [[Bulbapedia:Blocking policy]].
:Approved by both Zhen Lin and evkl, who both top you in power. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 04:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

::Reply on your talk. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 00:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Meh, we already talked about it, so, I've got nothing to say. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== AIM ==

Hey--next time I'm on, and you're on, please drop me a line. Thanks. No rush, nothing critical, just a Q. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 02:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Just so no one's wondering, we took care of this awhile ago. Issue resolved. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Just wanted to know something. Who did you mean in your comment posted on [[User talk:Wigglytuff?]] ? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 07:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

:Reply on your talk. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Can i start a new project? ==
i hav joined bulbapeidia to create a project on movies, cause i know everything theire is to now about them. answer me back on my discussion page plzzz. thank you. [[User:Totojo158|totoRulz]] 22:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Blocks ==

I just talked Charitwo into unblocking most of the non-vandal accounts on TPE, so it would be appreciated if we could not block him as well.

Also, worth noting that your block length was too high, and the result was a block with no duration. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:Guess our time problem's moved from a {{wp|Year 2038 problem|year 2038}} one to a {{wp|Year 10,000 problem|year 10,000}} one...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

::Reply on your talk, Geo. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Poli ==

Get your ass on AIM if you still happen to be online. If not, just check the most recently made pages. they are some decks that you definitly need to fix. If you get this message tomorrow, you don't need to jump on AIM, just fix the decks! ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:I've been really, really short on time the past few days and it's likely to stay that way until near the end of the school year. However, I have a little time now and I'll take a look at 'em. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 15:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:I assume you're talking about {{TCG|Suns and Moons}} and the other couple WC articles that were created. I'm having major trouble finding the decklist anywhere, but I'll keep looking. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 15:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== ok ==

ok poli, you wanted an explanation, so here it goes. i wanted to delete a few unnessary pages, almost did so, had to go some where, changed kg's password, then email, relized what i had done, saw the trap the tte had set for me, and fell for it on purpose, because i didn't really want to have a hacked account, even if i could. now, may i have a new user if i stop using this one, or is there some prerecquist to this?-- [[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 16:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:I only have a second now, but I'll talk to you about it tomorrow. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

::waiting for on month now--[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== This is really minor and has nothing to do with Bulbapedia, but... ==

I checked those links on your userpage. They are just hilarious. Just thought I'd say that. And yes, Conservapedia is full of dumbasses. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 22:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

:Thank you very much! I've been waiting for the moment when someone would acknowledge that yes, Conservapedia is a congregation of idiots who somehow figured out how to use the internets. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah, I never thought anyone would agree with me on that until I saw your userpage (which was actually quite a long time before I became a user). Part of the reason I hate Conservatism is because of the way its followers tend to act toward gay people. (As far as I know, the only exception to this is {{u|MAGNEDETH}}. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 11:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:::I feel the same way. Homosexuality shouldn't enter into people's behavior. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

::::im not your run-of-the-mill Conservative. i have no problems with gay people, do not feel the need to force my religion, and i hate Conservapedia. bunch of idiots. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::Deth, I've lurked here long enough to know that you're not like most conservatives and that you have no problems with gay people. (unlike {{u|Maxim|someone else here}} who's nomination for adminship was rejected for many reasons, homophobia being one of them) I'm bisexual myself. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 02:50, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== BulbaBot ==

You are the operator of BulbaBot? I just wanted to inform you that you can edit interwiki-links on de: again. We're up again :-) I'm a bot operator over there and will add links here, too :) See you, [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 16:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm not the operator of BulbaBot. I'm an staff member, but I'm not really a technical guy. I'd talk to {{u|evkl}} or {{u|TTEchidna}}. Also drop {{u|Zhen Lin}} a message, but he probably won't answer for awhile. Thanks! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 18:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== LOL ==
*Cough* 00110011001001101011010010010100110111001110000000000112211110000001010101010101010000011110001110000000100100101110000100010010001001001001001101001010101010101010101010101010101010101010100101010101011001010001010101001001010010100101010101010101
*Gasp*I'm native to Bulbabot Land (Totally unoriginal) --[[User:PIKA23|'''The Legend Of''']] [[User talk:PIKA23|'''The Pikachu PIKA23''']]

:...LOL? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Socks... ==

...were kids at my school. Just, block until 20:00 when school's out.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 16:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:Done. Sorry I initially misunderstood. I though they were your socks! ;) BTW, don't welcome them. Rather, just leave a note on an administrator's talk page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::First one wasn't a sock. Second was, but they wanted to be blocked.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 16:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::The first one was utilizing the same IP as your school. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Kindly ==

remove my administrative powers. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:Sure. Why, though? D: --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 18:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm not really doing anyone any good here. I only make a few edits to the HgSs page, when someone requests something. You said a while back that removing power from older admins gives newer admins "a bigger piece of the pie," so... --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Politoed666/Archive 4

2009-06-17T17:36:04Z

Martonimos: /* Kindly */ new section

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-13T19:12:28Z

Martonimos:

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

And yet, it was revealed that ALL 493 Pokemon are capable of following you. So, do you STILL think it won't happen, hmm? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|PokemonMasterJamal3}} ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PokemonMasterJamal3|contribs]]) ''
:[[wiktionary:sarcasm|I think you're missing the point.]] I was trying to point out to RAHB the flaw in his argument.--[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Pf, event-exclusive? I got my Lugia in XD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==The Release Date Isn't Fall 2009, It's in September==

According to the Japanese website, it's coming out in specifically September, not just "Fall". http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon.co.jp%2Fgame%2Fds%2Fhgss%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0= [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 18:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Google's wrong. "2009年秋" (which Google is calling "September 2009" because it's just an awful thing to use) is "year 2009, autumn".—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::I examined the address of the japanese site that Google is translating and this '''www.pokemon.co.jp''' lodged in there and found it is from the official pokemon site in japan so the release month may in fact be legit. Course the exact date still needs released for this game to prove where the real date is. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Are you reading? There ''isn't'' a release month because the site says "autumn" and nothing else.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Just so you're aware I even if this page wasn't protected I wouldn't have added the month to this site without further consensus or the exact date to do so since I try to avoid obvious mistakes if possible. Besides there no other sources besides this so I won't do anything beyond this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I might as well mention that September would be written as 9月 in Japanese (note the use of Arabic numerals for months). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pedometer a.k.a. PokéWalk ==

Supposedly, there's a pedometer that will come with the game, and you can upload a Pokémon to it. Then, you can walk around, and the Pokémon will supposedly gain experience. I'm not kidding. If you think I'm crazy, then check out these links: [http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84986] [http://pokebeach.com/] Shouldn't this be mentioned here, especially when the first link has a video from Pokémon Sunday (a primary source)? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:This pedometer is going to be called the PokéWalk. Additionally it was announced on Pokémon Sunday (6/7/09) and is also at Serebii(http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml). Also, I started on it in the [[Sandbox]] but was told to hold off on doing anything with it. Lastly, there is a picture on the Serebii newspost. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 05:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, it looks interesting, and given that you have at least one reliable source, then write something up and see what the others think. However, one thing that those pictures on Serebii indicate is that the HG/SS Pokémon might be using the <strike>Platinum</strike> D/P (oops!) sprites, unless that's just a filler. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe only some of the Pokemon in HGSS use Plat sprites. FR/LG and R/S used the same Pikachu sprite, after all. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I already wrote up something and asked two admins. It is located in the [[sandbox]]. I was told by the admins to hold off until more information is available. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 18:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed the [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold%2C_SoulSilver_to_come_with_pedometer Bulbanews article], so I'd say something brief should be added to the article. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't get your jaws in an uproar, guys. I added the info. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== More CoroCoro info out ==

So [http://pokebeach.com/2009/06/kyogre-groudon-and-rayquaza-in-heartgold-and-soulsilver apparently more scans are out] with info about the Hoenn legendary trio, and some info about a possible tie-in with the Movie 12 Arceus. Any info that's actually worthwhile to add in? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Well the way I can figure it from my analysis is that the the three Hoenn Legendaries have a better chance of being posted on this page first being that is more notable than the Arceus event. But once an administrator makes the choice it doens't matter to me if it will be full, partial, or no addition to the page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::They're both gonna be put up... don't worry about it. The admins would already know about it without people asking. They're like vultures over a dying animal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It should all be there now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Boxart now revealed==
Firstly I would like to applaud you Sketch for removing the unneeded images since I had the same idea myself about not wanting the section to be too overcrowded.

But now the Boxart has been revealed as CoroCoro scans I am wondering if it should be posted because of its importance or postponed till better images are aquired? Course I am willing to wait over being too hasty. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:If I can have an opinion, I would say we should hold off as the news article said the Lugia and Ho-Oh on the box are don't match the official Japanese website. The only thing that could actually verify it that I would agree with is if someone compared the Lugia and Ho-Oh with the Lugia and Ho-Oh that were revealed on Pokémon Sunday, if they match then I would say it is a go... -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 17:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

:: *pokes notice at the page's top* '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Last comment has my support since this was intended to affect when the box art should be posted on the page at some point in the near future and this is not supposed to be a forum chat. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::::I was talking about the "everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK" and the "We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows" parts. Sorry about the confusion. And I appreciate that you aren't spazzing like some users who would if you were them... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It is because I am a patient person who is used to waiting and since this has value I just wanted to know what the game plan was. I may watch over this page, but I only comment when I feel I need to. If this situation had little importance like an average screenshot then I wouldn't have done anything. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's fine. I'm making sure you know. A lot of people tend to miss those, even though they're bigger than anything else on the page. xD '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::My opinion on the boxart: too small at the current time for our purposes. We'll get it up probably in a few weeks when it appears on websites and such in high-res format. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Agree with you there since the boxart is mixed in with the Magazine scan and it is better to wait for pictures that have no magazine scan in them. So this pretty much ends the discussion of the topic of when the should the boxart pictures should be posted on this page. No need to add anything to the discussion at this point -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== New Area ==

I put in a bit about the new area near the National Park, but it was removed a few hours later with the comment "We'll wait until we know what that area is". We don't even know for sure that Soul isn't Kris (and that her name is Soul), yet she has an entire article. Should my thing be put back in? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 03:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see a reason to mention it yet. We don't even know what it is. You weren't supposed to be able to edit the article anyway. The protection expired. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 10:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::On the one hand, it's official information. On the other hand, it's not much information. I guess we'll wait until we know more, although I agree that too many BP users are revert-happy. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==Confirmed?==
All 493 Pokemon can follow you? Is that correct? I mean, I can't imagine a Pokemon the size of Regigigas following me into a house. {{User|Team Hyper}}
:Yeppers. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-11T00:29:09Z

Martonimos:

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Pf, event-exclusive? I got my Lugia in XD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==The Release Date Isn't Fall 2009, It's in September==

According to the Japanese website, it's coming out in specifically September, not just "Fall". http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon.co.jp%2Fgame%2Fds%2Fhgss%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0= [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 18:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Google's wrong. "2009年秋" (which Google is calling "September 2009" because it's just an awful thing to use) is "year 2009, autumn".—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::I examined the address of the japanese site that Google is translating and this '''www.pokemon.co.jp''' lodged in there and found it is from the official pokemon site in japan so the release month may in fact be legit. Course the exact date still needs released for this game to prove where the real date is. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Are you reading? There ''isn't'' a release month because the site says "autumn" and nothing else.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Just so you're aware I even if this page wasn't protected I wouldn't have added the month to this site without further consensus or the exact date to do so since I try to avoid obvious mistakes if possible. Besides there no other sources besides this so I won't do anything beyond this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I might as well mention that September would be written as 9月 in Japanese (note the use of Arabic numerals for months). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pedometer a.k.a. PokéWalk ==

Supposedly, there's a pedometer that will come with the game, and you can upload a Pokémon to it. Then, you can walk around, and the Pokémon will supposedly gain experience. I'm not kidding. If you think I'm crazy, then check out these links: [http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84986] [http://pokebeach.com/] Shouldn't this be mentioned here, especially when the first link has a video from Pokémon Sunday (a primary source)? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:This pedometer is going to be called the PokéWalk. Additionally it was announced on Pokémon Sunday (6/7/09) and is also at Serebii(http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml). Also, I started on it in the [[Sandbox]] but was told to hold off on doing anything with it. Lastly, there is a picture on the Serebii newspost. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 05:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, it looks interesting, and given that you have at least one reliable source, then write something up and see what the others think. However, one thing that those pictures on Serebii indicate is that the HG/SS Pokémon might be using the <strike>Platinum</strike> D/P (oops!) sprites, unless that's just a filler. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe only some of the Pokemon in HGSS use Plat sprites. FR/LG and R/S used the same Pikachu sprite, after all. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I already wrote up something and asked two admins. It is located in the [[sandbox]]. I was told by the admins to hold off until more information is available. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 18:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed the [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold%2C_SoulSilver_to_come_with_pedometer Bulbanews article], so I'd say something brief should be added to the article. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't get your jaws in an uproar, guys. I added the info. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== More CoroCoro info out ==

So [http://pokebeach.com/2009/06/kyogre-groudon-and-rayquaza-in-heartgold-and-soulsilver apparently more scans are out] with info about the Hoenn legendary trio, and some info about a possible tie-in with the Movie 12 Arceus. Any info that's actually worthwhile to add in? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Well the way I can figure it from my analysis is that the the three Hoenn Legendaries have a better chance of being posted on this page first being that is more notable than the Arceus event. But once an administrator makes the choice it doens't matter to me if it will be full, partial, or no addition to the page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::They're both gonna be put up... don't worry about it. The admins would already know about it without people asking. They're like vultures over a dying animal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It should all be there now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

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Martonimos: /* Gameplay changes */

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name = Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions |
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category = RPG |
players = 2 players simultaneous |
release_date_ja = Fall 2009  |
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'''Pokémon HeartGold Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターハートゴールド''' ''Pocket Monsters Heartgold'') and '''Pokémon SoulSilver Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターソウルシルバー''' ''Pocket Monsters Soulsilver'') are paired [[Generation IV]] {{wp|remake}}s of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

Much like {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} revisited the [[Generation I]] story of [[Kanto]], HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of [[Johto]], with the player's starting area being [[New Bark Town]]. As there are no definitive details about the games yet, it is currently unknown whether or not changes to the plot and course of the original games will be made. What is currently known, however, is that the geography of New Bark Town, while updated, has not changed. The player's [[rival]], {{ga|Silver}}, lurks outside of [[Professor Elm]]'s lab as he did in Generation II.

Like FireRed and LeafGreen, it is assumed that several enhancements will be made to the games to bring them up to speed with Generation IV, including adding features and Pokémon introduced in Generations {{gen|III}} and IV. It has also been confirmed that brand new features, never before seen in the series, will be introduced. As indicated by [[List of locations by index number (DS)|data in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum]], these games are highly likely to be compatible with the Sinnoh three for battling and trading, though like FireRed and LeafGreen, certain objectives might need to be accomplished beforehand.

{{ga|Kris}}, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character {{ga|Gold}}, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a {{ga|Soul|new character}} instead taking her place.

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
*{{ga|Gold}} received a redesign while {{ga|Soul|a new player character}} apparently replaces {{ga|Kris}}.
* The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the [[starter Pokémon]].
* The [[PokéGear]] has been redesigned. Now, it features two designs, one blue and white for males and another white and pink for females.
* An image of certain locations, similar to that of {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, appears when entering the location.

====Location changes====
* Elm's Lab has an upstairs level.
* Maps have been remade to match the design style used in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

===Gameplay changes===
* The player's starter will follow them, similar to [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] in {{v2|Yellow}}. More specific details are currently unknown.
* Similarly to the event {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Regigigas}}'s effect on Platinum, the [[Pikachu-colored Pichu]] to be given to those who have pre-ordered tickets to the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]] will unlock an event near the [[Ilex Forest]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Shrine]] featuring the [[Notched-ear Pichu]].
* The screen that pops up when pressing the ''Start'' or ''X'' buttons in the previous games appears on the touch screen instead.
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} will appear in SoulSilver and HeartGold, respectively, after the Elite Four.

Like the [[GBA Wireless Adapter]] that came with FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver will be packaged with a bonus: a [[Poké Ball]]-shaped [[wikipedia:pedometer|pedometer]] called the [[PokéWalker]] that will link to the games and hold a Pokémon, increasing its [[experience]] and [[happiness]] as the wearer walks.

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS NewBark Serebii.JPG|First gameplay screenshot, depicting New Bark Town
File:Screen1.png|Choosing a [[starter Pokémon]]
File:Screen2.png|The touch screen menu
File:Screen3.png|Outside a building
File:Screen4.png|Outside [[Slowpoke Well]]
File:Screen5.png|[[Sprout Tower]]
File:Shiny Pichu HGSS event.png|[[Shokotan Pichu|Pichu]] event
File:PokéWalk.png|The [[PokéWalker]]'s LCD screen
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* These games will mark the tenth anniversary since the release of the original {{2v|Gold|Silver}} for [[Game Boy Color]].
* As remakes, these games have been [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|speculated]] since the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* The games' engine seems to be based on that of {{game|Platinum}}. The reverse happened in [[Generation III]], where {{game|Emerald}} was based on FireRed and LeafGreen's engine.
* As {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} were considered sequels to {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver are thus sequels to {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html Official Announcement]
* {{n|Nintendo confirms Generation II remakes|Story on Bulbanews}}
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/ Official Site]
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User talk:ArcToraphim/Archive1

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Martonimos: /* Manga Jasmine */ new section

==I Have a New Idea!==
Hi! I just joined to help! I have a new idea for one. How about Brock and Autumn. I also have a suggested name for it! How about...
1. YoungOldShipping
2. TutorShipping
3. BrotumnShipping
[[User:Tandra88|Tandra88]] 14:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)tandra88
:Tutor would probably have been a good choice. Except Brock/Autumn is already named KitchenMaidShipping. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== NavigatorShipping??? ==
Why did you change '''KnowledgeShipping''' to '''''NavigatorShipping'''''???? Brock and Max know '''a whole lot more''' than Gissele (a C.O.D.), and Gary. Can't we change the Gary/Gissle shipping to something like ''GravelerShipping''???? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 14:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

-- *eye roll* Dude, we have an official list for a reason (even the out-of-date one on Bulbapedia will confirm that it's been under these name since at least May): so things like this won't happen.

Knowledgeshipping has been Gary/Giselle for even longer than ''I'' can remember and I've been in the 'shipping game for years, and someone (not you, because I know who it was) named Brock/Max Navigatorshipping even before it occured to you. There is no ''changing'' when it's been that way for that long; you'll have to live with it. Sorry. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]]

Okay, it's not that bad. I just wanted a reason why we changed it, and you gave me one. Thanks. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 14:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== BlueShipping??? ==

What in the HELL made you change DrugShipping to BlueShipping?? Quite clearly DrugShipping made more sence "I'm sick of people not checking and doing things willy-nilly" what the hell does that mean?? I checked to see if there was a shipping like that there wasn't so I made one!! You have no right to change the name so there I'm pissed off Ok are you happy!?!? I want answers!!! I will not change it for risk of being banned but I think that everyone has a choice of what to call there own pages!! GAWD!!! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 22:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:I Googled both names, but BlueShipping seems to be more common for the Meowth/James ship. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 22:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah I did the same thing and..well... I apologize for freaking out I hope you can forgive me Luna Tiger!! HeHe!! Anyway thanks for at least changing it to make things better for Bulbapedia!! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 22:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:::...Just...*headsmack* Can people just stop rimming me out and trying to think they know more about 'shipping in the Pokémon fandom than me? I update the damn list; I'm ''immersed'' in this stuff up to the gills I should have by now. If I change a name, can we just assume it's for a pritty dam gud reesun and not think they'll be the one to prove me wrong? Pleeeeease? [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 22:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== ''Brunette'' ==

Alright. It's spelled "brunette." Not "brunett." Next time, heed the warning that questions whether you ''really'' want to create a page that was previously deleted. See ''why'' it was deleted. Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
: TRUST ME. Yes, it's a damn misspelling! It's LISTED on the bloody list as 'Brunett'. Brunette is Delia/Jasmine. Did you even read the updated article? I bet you didn't. Forgive me for typing rudely, but I think I know what I'm bloody well talking about. Gary/May is LIST ON THE LIST AS ''BrunettShipping''. So thank you kindly for being far too hasty and for being just another person who doesn't trust me when I change something. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 16:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Go here [http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1437679/cascade88]. Then scroll down to #36, and read it! Read the story if u have to!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:No, I don't read fanfiction. Never have, never will. So are you telling me that it's an intentional misspelling because they couldn't think of a different name for it? BTW, BrunettShipping only gets, like, 53 hits on Google. BrunetteShipping gets 152. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:For one, that's infuriating. And wrong. How 'bout this: you go {{s|List of shippers|here}}, ctrl+F 'brunett' and pay attention that ''that'' list wasn't updated since May of '07. And cascade posted that 'fic in Feb of '08. No, I'm not backing down from this. I know the bloddy difference between brunet, brunette, and brunett. Gary/May is listed as Brunett. Give it up. Please.
:And yes, it was an intentional misspelling. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 16:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I was talking to Arc--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

::Ah, whatever. Carry on shipping. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Well noone believes in DeliaXJasmine--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:So? That no excuse. Absolutely not an excuse. Delia/Jasmine came first. They get precedent. It's how the game goes. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 16:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Move War ==

Knock it off, you two. ArcToraphim knows more about shipping, and I admit that I know absolutely nothing, so leave the misspelling. However, should I delete BrunetteShipping, since it refers to something totally different and doesn't have an article? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 17:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It has an article, so NO--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Brunetteshipping should be a redirect, as should Shellshipping, I suppose. It goes against my better nature since they're both claimed, but neither will be getting any articles any time soon. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 17:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:ShellShipping I'll keep as a redirect. BrunetteShipping, however, should be deleted, since there's no connection between BrunettShipping and BrunetteShipping besides the similar names. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 17:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
::Point taken, but at the same time, you did make the point about the common use of Brunetteshipping on Google. .....I just don't want to keep going through these arguments between people, and if this is what I get for something not many people support, imagine what's going to happen once I find the strength to do something about Farawayshipping (which should be Outcry, but Faraway's in much more use). I'm too old and settled for the crap.
::In the short run, Delia/Jasmine will never get an article, for obvious reasons. If it's possible to create a disambig that states Brunette is Delia/Jasmine and commonly mistaken for Gary/May, please go here for article, that I can live with. They used to have similar pages, which 'ships that were couples twice like Luckyshipping, before they became irrelevant. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 17:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Signature ==

As an admin, I'm obligated to remind you of our signature policy. Signing as "Luna Tiger" is inappropriate, even if it is your nickname. Your sig must reflect your username. You're free to try and get a username change, though. Thank you. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 18:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Just warning you ==

{{u|Yami Takashi}} gets upset when you revert him. I had a hell of a time with him a few days ago over a stupid last name. If he starts giving you trouble, let me know. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Images ==

Images from any Pokémon media containing logos of companies, say the Cartoon Network logo on anime images, are frowned upon here at Bulbapedia. Before my block, I found pictures from here [http://gallery.pokenightmare.com], andmany of the episode pictures are logoless, compared to your probable direct from TV pictures. That site will have better quality pictures too. hope you find this helpful.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:I'm aware that no-logo-is-betteru, however, I would rather pull images from online streaming sources than pilfer someone else's capture work, even if credited. ...And don't act so pretentious, considering you're hardly one to talk about images. If I could find a source that streamed without the logo, do you think mine would have it? In the mean time, it's a temp until I can find such an image. It's something to work on later. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 19:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

== Bridgette ==

do you have proof? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have proof it's not? Like owning the game yourself? ...Look, the reason I went on a spree of asking and asking was because someone make a 'ship submission, and outright claimed that it was spelled "Brigette". (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=9230890&postcount=194) I asked around, in hope that someone could clear this up, because I thought it was Bridgette too. No one answered. Except {{u|Teradyne}}. They say they got proof, and if two unrelated people are saying it, and Teradyne saying they got proof, if necessary.... What. Ask them for the proof. I'll take their word for it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::why didnt you ask in the BP section on the forums? hell, {{u|TTEchidna}} has the game, hed know. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Because I wasn't initially asking for the sake of the BP. I went to the game forums. Asked on their "Simple questions" thread. You know, figuring there were more gamers there than anywhere else? Given the context of the forum in question, and all. You're assuming I can psychic-up that TTE's got the game himself. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't worry, I corrected him over AIM.----[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 01:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::that seems a tad condescending Arc. how would we all edit the pedia if we ourselves didnt know everything about the games were writing out? and all in the name of a ship? in the meantime, Rex has looked into it and confirmed it is indeed Brigette. but seriously, next time, ask us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::-headdesk- [[Talk:Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire|What do you think I did?]] [[Talk:Brigette|Twice?]] In relevant BP places to ask? ...*sigh* Nobody knows everything, and obviously, if there were more people who editted the BP who knew more about BOX than those who didn't, why then, was Brigette's name misspelled for so long? Why would I ask a forum that likely didn't know either, when I wasn't getting answers elsewhere? I went to where I thought I would get the results. I eventually did. Condescending or not, the 'Pedia is thus not the answer to every question. Don't feel slighted I didn't ask the great collective you first, when I couldn't trust the answer that's here.
:::::...And no, it's not all in the name of "a ship". It's in the name of many 'ships that have Brigette in them. The list is directly related to BMGf. Do you want anything reflecting BMGf to be wrong? I hope not. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::well, we cant always scan every single talk page we see. besides, if you dont get an answer on here, the forums are visited by many people, namely the admins. i ''guarantee'' you would have gotten an answer. and while the pedia isnt the answer for everything, wed like it to be. so, just because we skimped some talk pages isnt a reason to get up in arms about something. as for shipping, im not a shipper, so, i dont care about that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::No, you can't, but at the same time, it seems plenty of people go to talk pages all the time to talk of perpetually nothing. It's just that no one wants to bother with the talk pages ''they want to know nothing about''. Truth. The matter is done anyway. I'm not in the wrong. I got my answer. I am happy. I'm not getting into arms. I just don't like it when people come onto me and claim I don't know what I'm talking about, as my talk page clearly demonstrates (who wouldn't keep getting into arms when the only time they bother to message me is when they get defensive and say "How dare you?!"). And it doesn't matter if you're not a 'shipper. I've a job to do keeping it as correct as possible. I'd like to think I'm doing that job by maintaining it to canon standard. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And I've been meaning to thank you, Rex, so, thank you [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::now, im not here to stir things up, im just saying, if a talk page doesnt do it, use the forums. i also didnt know we had a head of shipping, so, sorry. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== GodisdeadShipping ==

Yay! One more GodisdeadShipping fan.
There should be a page for that when it gets a tiny bit more popular. [[User:Zephy.Changes|Zephy Changes]] 15:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:Godisdeadshipping will never get any more popular than various underground bands that only a handful listen to and believe are more superior than mainstream music. XD It's all in the name. The name makes it truly wicked. But a page? Perhaps. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Oopsies ==

Sorry, I guess I forgot. My bad. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 22:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Chie ==

[[Satoshi]] is a disambig page because there are two characters named so. Tajiri is just an addition to an existing disambig. As for voice actors, we don't make disambigs just because of their first names because no one refers to them just by their first names. That "what if they think Chie's the surname?" is not a reason. What if someone thinks that "Ketchum" is actually Misty's surname? Is it a reason for a disambig? No. We NEVER create disambigs just because some VA shares a name with a character. We only add VA names to EXISTING disambigs. Hence, there's no need for [[Chie]] being a disambig. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ever think if you took a less demeaning course of action, people would actually take you serious more times than not? Saying things like "We NEVER" is belitting (as though you're yelling at a child) and akin to a personal attack that puts people who don't know how to deal with you on the maximum defensive. It also makes you feel you've erected a wall others cannot argue around, empowering yourself to whatever your statement is, which in fact, it can.
:Because I would like to see where this mandate that "VAs don't get listed in disambigs when this, that, and these" is dictated (even a solid agreement on a talk page involving Those Who Matter would do if it's not apart of a manual), instead of something you feel should be warranted by your own say-so. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::Personal attack? Don't be funny. I just think there's no need to create disambigs for the sake of creating disambigs. The arguments for "Chie" as a disambig are very weak. If there were two characters with such name - I would agree with it. Or even, if there was more than one notable VA with that first name. But there is nothing like that, a person who could be searching for a "Chie" in POKEMON Pedia would most possibly be searching for Maisy/Maizie/Macey/whatever it's spelt. And it's funny how you completely changed the topic of the discussion, questioning my methods of reasoning. There is no mandate about creating useless disambigs but there should be one (I think I'll contact TTE on this issue) and as long as there's no such one, I'm just seeking for usless disambig and annihilating them. Your advocating of them is ridiculous. And we actually deleted one disambig like that (character vs. VA) - that was [[Hiroki]]. I was the one to annihilate it and (despite Maverick Nate's revert) my decision was supported without any further problems. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not saying you're attacking people; I'm saying the way you conduct yourself makes people feel like you are, regardless if you are or not: all guns ablaze, and all that jazz. And see, now you're bringing what you should have brought in the first place instead of CAPS usage and demanding to be right: passive reasons for its elimination (except for that "advocating of them is ridiculous part"; I rightly take offense).
:::Now, I agree somewhat with what you're saying and I see what you mean, but I have to protest: it's very '''unlikely''' that anyone searching for "Chie" is looking for Maisy. Chie Sato is a lot more prominent for being a voice actor than Maisy is as a character (being that she existed a thousand episodes ago and anyone looking for her will likely only know her English name, or will search her out through Kurt, if they don't know her English name).
:::Chie Sato, however, is still functioning through the series as the occasional voice or various roles and remains a current member of the minor cast. My reasoning for "what if they think her first name is her surname" is logical: you might think such a person to be an idiot, but there are a lot of people who cannot discern an Asian surname from a first name (because it's all Greek to them). Also, if a person's mind blanks and they can only recall "Chie", what then? If it leads to a redirect, they're square out of luck, no?
:::However, I will concede to the point of not having the disambig (for now). Though I don't believe it's right, only because it plays a part in isolating the Japanese part of the 'Pedia from the English folk. And if you DO bring this up to TTE, be a lad and bring up both sides of the argument, yes? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== About Barry ==
On the page it said, "Also, like Gary, his name is taken, in both Japanese and English, from the first-listed default name for his game counterpart in the primary version." But isn't this wrong? The first listed name for the rival in Red/Blue was Blue not Gary. Gary was second. - Kirby Phelps (PK)
:Point. Perhaps it needs to be reworded to negate doubts of a pattern; the problem with just saying the name was taken from one of the defaulted list makes it seem like there is no pattern, while that's untrue (and would give way to possible arguments on "how he should have been Damion"). The pattern is the top-most normal name (colors and metals not considered in the general "normal" vicinity) of the alpha version is given to the rival. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== {{template|g}} ==

Do not get rid of it when it is used to link to games. That is its correct usage.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 04:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I figured that out on my own, belatedly, before you started reverting. Though at the same time, I also figured, why have a template that physically makes the same link as adding "Pokémon" does? If all roads lead to Rome, when it comes to how the article will look with the G template or the word itself, what's the point of using it in the first place? It really is a lazy template, even game wise, if you are using it instead of writing out the darn word. Dreaded é you can just click on the palette. Ooooo, I'm frightened. It's a silly template, if you want my opinion, even if you didn't. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== Manga Jasmine ==

I've never read the manga, but most of the online resources I've found seem to back up the info on the page. [http://www.serebii.net/manga/gsc/109.shtml This page], for example. I'll leave it up to your judgment what to do; you obviously know more about this than me. But I don't want to have a big chunk of information missing from that page for too long. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-07T19:23:01Z

Martonimos: /* Pedometer a.k.a. PokéWalk */

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Pf, event-exclusive? I got my Lugia in XD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==The Release Date Isn't Fall 2009, It's in September==

According to the Japanese website, it's coming out in specifically September, not just "Fall". http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon.co.jp%2Fgame%2Fds%2Fhgss%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0= [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 18:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Google's wrong. "2009年秋" (which Google is calling "September 2009" because it's just an awful thing to use) is "year 2009, autumn".—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::I examined the address of the japanese site that Google is translating and this '''www.pokemon.co.jp''' lodged in there and found it is from the official pokemon site in japan so the release month may in fact be legit. Course the exact date still needs released for this game to prove where the real date is. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Are you reading? There ''isn't'' a release month because the site says "autumn" and nothing else.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Just so you're aware I even if this page wasn't protected I wouldn't have added the month to this site without further consensus or the exact date to do so since I try to avoid obvious mistakes if possible. Besides there no other sources besides this so I won't do anything beyond this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pedometer a.k.a. PokéWalk ==

Supposedly, there's a pedometer that will come with the game, and you can upload a Pokémon to it. Then, you can walk around, and the Pokémon will supposedly gain experience. I'm not kidding. If you think I'm crazy, then check out these links: [http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84986] [http://pokebeach.com/] Shouldn't this be mentioned here, especially when the first link has a video from Pokémon Sunday (a primary source)? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:This pedometer is going to be called the PokéWalk. Additionally it was announced on Pokémon Sunday (6/7/09) and is also at Serebii(http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml). Also, I started on it in the [[Sandbox]] but was told to hold off on doing anything with it. Lastly, there is a picture on the Serebii newspost. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 05:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, it looks interesting, and given that you have at least one reliable source, then write something up and see what the others think. However, one thing that those pictures on Serebii indicate is that the HG/SS Pokémon might be using the <strike>Platinum</strike> D/P (oops!) sprites, unless that's just a filler. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe only some of the Pokemon in HGSS use Plat sprites. FR/LG and R/S used the same Pikachu sprite, after all. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I already wrote up something and asked two admins. It is located in the [[sandbox]]. I was told by the admins to hold off until more information is available. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 18:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed the [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold%2C_SoulSilver_to_come_with_pedometer Bulbanews article], so I'd say something brief should be added to the article. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't get your jaws in an uproar, guys. I added the info. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

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name = Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions |
boxart = [[Image:HeartGold logo.png]] [[Image:SoulSilver logo.png]] |
caption = Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver's logos, [[version mascot|depicting]] a stylized {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}, respectively. |
category = RPG |
players = 2 players simultaneous |
release_date_ja = Fall 2009  |
release_date_au = N/A |
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'''Pokémon HeartGold Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターハートゴールド''' ''Pocket Monsters Heartgold'') and '''Pokémon SoulSilver Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターソウルシルバー''' ''Pocket Monsters Soulsilver'') are paired [[Generation IV]] {{wp|remake}}s of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

Much like {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} revisited the [[Generation I]] story of [[Kanto]], HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of [[Johto]], with the player's starting area being [[New Bark Town]]. As there are no definitive details about the games yet, it is currently unknown whether or not changes to the plot and course of the original games will be made. What is currently known, however, is that the geography of New Bark Town, while updated, has not changed. The player's [[rival]], {{ga|Silver}}, lurks outside of [[Professor Elm]]'s lab as he did in Generation II.

Like FireRed and LeafGreen, it is assumed that several enhancements will be made to the games to bring them up to speed with Generation IV, including adding features and Pokémon introduced in Generations {{gen|III}} and IV. It has also been confirmed that brand new features, never before seen in the series, will be introduced. As indicated by [[List of locations by index number (DS)|data in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum]], these games are highly likely to be compatible with the Sinnoh three for battling and trading, though like FireRed and LeafGreen, certain objectives might need to be accomplished beforehand.

{{ga|Kris}}, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character {{ga|Gold}}, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a {{ga|Soul|new character}} instead taking her place.

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
*{{ga|Gold}} received a redesign while {{ga|Soul|a new player character}} apparently replaces {{ga|Kris}}.
* The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the [[starter Pokémon]].
* The [[PokéGear]] has been redesigned. Now, it features two designs, one blue and white for males and another white and pink for females.
* An image of certain locations, similar to that of {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, appears when entering the location.

====Location changes====
* Elm's Lab has an upstairs level.
* Maps have been remade to match the design style used in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

===Gameplay changes===
* The player's starter will follow them, similar to [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] in {{v2|Yellow}}. More specific details are currently unknown.
* Similarly to the event {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Regigigas}}'s effect on Platinum, the [[Pikachu-colored Pichu]] to be given to those who have pre-ordered tickets to the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]] will unlock an event near the [[Ilex Forest]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Shrine]] featuring the [[Notched-ear Pichu]].
* The screen that pops up when pressing the ''Start'' or ''X'' buttons in the previous games appears on the touch screen instead.

Like the [[GBA Wireless Adapter]] that came with FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver will be packaged with a bonus: a [[Poké Ball]]-shaped [[wikipedia:pedometer|pedometer]] called the [[PokéWalker]] that will link to the games and hold a Pokémon, increasing its [[experience]] and [[happiness]] as the wearer walks.

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS NewBark Serebii.JPG|First gameplay screenshot, depicting New Bark Town
File:Screen1.png|Choosing a [[starter Pokémon]]
File:Screen2.png|The touch screen menu
File:Screen3.png|Outside a building
File:Screen4.png|Outside [[Slowpoke Well]]
File:Screen5.png|[[Sprout Tower]]
File:Shiny Pichu HGSS event.png|[[Shokotan Pichu|Pichu]] event
File:PokéWalk.png|The [[PokéWalker]]'s LCD screen
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* These games will mark the tenth anniversary since the release of the original {{2v|Gold|Silver}} for [[Game Boy Color]].
* As remakes, these games have been [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|speculated]] since the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* The games' engine seems to be based on that of {{game|Platinum}}. The reverse happened in [[Generation III]], where {{game|Emerald}} was based on FireRed and LeafGreen's engine.
* As {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} were considered sequels to {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver are thus sequels to {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html Official Announcement]
* {{n|Nintendo confirms Generation II remakes|Story on Bulbanews}}
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/ Official Site]
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Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

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'''Pokémon HeartGold Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターハートゴールド''' ''Pocket Monsters Heartgold'') and '''Pokémon SoulSilver Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターソウルシルバー''' ''Pocket Monsters Soulsilver'') are paired [[Generation IV]] {{wp|remake}}s of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

Much like {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} revisited the [[Generation I]] story of [[Kanto]], HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of [[Johto]], with the player's starting area being [[New Bark Town]]. As there are no definitive details about the games yet, it is currently unknown whether or not changes to the plot and course of the original games will be made. What is currently known, however, is that the geography of New Bark Town, while updated, has not changed. The player's [[rival]], {{ga|Silver}}, lurks outside of [[Professor Elm]]'s lab as he did in Generation II.

Like FireRed and LeafGreen, it is assumed that several enhancements will be made to the games to bring them up to speed with Generation IV, including adding features and Pokémon introduced in Generations {{gen|III}} and IV. It has also been confirmed that brand new features, never before seen in the series, will be introduced. As indicated by [[List of locations by index number (DS)|data in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum]], these games are highly likely to be compatible with the Sinnoh three for battling and trading, though like FireRed and LeafGreen, certain objectives might need to be accomplished beforehand.

{{ga|Kris}}, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character {{ga|Gold}}, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a {{ga|Soul|new character}} instead taking her place.

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
*{{ga|Gold}} received a redesign while {{ga|Soul|a new player character}} apparently replaces {{ga|Kris}}.
* The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the [[starter Pokémon]].
* The [[PokéGear]] has been redesigned. Now, it features two designs, one blue and white for males and another white and pink for females.
* An image of certain locations, similar to that of {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, appears when entering the location.

====Location changes====
* Elm's Lab has an upstairs level.
* Maps have been remade to match the design style used in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

===Gameplay changes===
* The player's starter will follow them, similar to [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] in {{v2|Yellow}}. More specific details are currently unknown.
* Similarly to the event {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Regigigas}}'s effect on Platinum, the [[Pikachu-colored Pichu]] to be given to those who have pre-ordered tickets to the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]] will unlock an event near the [[Ilex Forest]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Shrine]] featuring the [[Notched-ear Pichu]].
* The screen that pops up when pressing the ''Start'' or ''X'' buttons in the previous games appears on the touch screen instead.

[[File:PokéWalk.png|thumb|Huh-''wha''?]]Like the [[GBA Wireless Adapter]] that came with FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver will be packaged with a bonus: a [[Poké Ball]]-shaped [[wikipedia:pedometer|pedometer]] called the [[PokéWalker]] that will link to the games and hold a Pokémon, increasing its [[experience]] and [[happiness]] as the wearer walks.

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS NewBark Serebii.JPG|First gameplay screenshot, depicting New Bark Town
File:Screen1.png|Choosing a [[starter Pokémon]]
File:Screen2.png|The touch screen menu
File:Screen3.png|Outside a building
File:Screen4.png|Outside [[Slowpoke Well]]
File:Screen5.png|[[Sprout Tower]]
File:Shiny Pichu HGSS event.png|[[Shokotan Pichu|Pichu]] event
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* These games will mark the tenth anniversary since the release of the original {{2v|Gold|Silver}} for [[Game Boy Color]].
* As remakes, these games have been [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|speculated]] since the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* The games' engine seems to be based on that of {{game|Platinum}}. The reverse happened in [[Generation III]], where {{game|Emerald}} was based on FireRed and LeafGreen's engine.
* As {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} were considered sequels to {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver are thus sequels to {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html Official Announcement]
* {{n|Nintendo confirms Generation II remakes|Story on Bulbanews}}
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/ Official Site]
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Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

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Martonimos:

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
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==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto? ==

Will the Kanto region be accesable? It was in the original Gold and Silver. Will the Kanto region be updated in the same way, such as the volcano erupting on Cinnabar Island and Blaine moving his gym to the Seafoam Islands?
Will HeartGold and SoulSilver be to FireRed and LeafGreen what Gold and Silver was to Red and Blue?
I wonder if there's enough data space on the DS card for two regions. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know that now, but probably. Remember the thread on the Forums for this kind of talk. --'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 03:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::I hope that they will make it the way it is in gold and silver (shorter route etc) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Smething about Kanto should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:But we don't know anything about Kanto. We can't add information that doesn't exist. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

True. I meant ad something about speculation over whether KAnto will be included. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:No. ''This'' article is about hard facts, not speculation.
:Just to be clear, we're not shooting down all your ideas to be mean. You just haven't come up with anything relevant to the article yet. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Console ==

So, will these be on the DS or exclusively on the DSi?? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:The DSi is just a smaller version of the DS, it isn't a different console, except the DSi doesn't have a slot for the GBA games[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 03:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::It'll probably be on the DS, but with features unlocked on the DSi (although I have no idea what those would be). --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-30T20:19:19Z

Martonimos: /* blue or green? */ Irrelevant to article. Take discussion like this to the forums, please.

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By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
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==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto? ==

Will the Kanto region be accesable? It was in the original Gold and Silver. Will the Kanto region be updated in the same way, such as the volcano erupting on Cinnabar Island and Blaine moving his gym to the Seafoam Islands?
Will HeartGold and SoulSilver be to FireRed and LeafGreen what Gold and Silver was to Red and Blue?
I wonder if there's enough data space on the DS card for two regions. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know that now, but probably. Remember the thread on the Forums for this kind of talk. --'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 03:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::I hope that they will make it the way it is in gold and silver (shorter route etc) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Smething about Kanto should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:But we don't know anything about Kanto. We can't add information that doesn't exist. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)