Talk:Unova

2010-10-03T13:17:42Z

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more evidence for New York than against it (there is also more evidence for New York than its competitors, like Shanghai). As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Returns ==

Since Isshu is apparently based on New York City, and at the end of [[Mewtwo Returns]], Mewtwo is standing on a building in plain view of the Empire State Building, do you think there's any chance that perhaps Mewtwo will make another appearance in the anime or a special? That would be pretty neat! [[User:JoeMoron2000|JoeMoron2000]] 01:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please go to the forums for this, in the GV forum. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::In response to the original, I wish, but as A said, FORUMS IT. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, unless someone is banned like me. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Returns ==

Since Isshu is apparently based on New York City, and at the end of [[Mewtwo Returns]], Mewtwo is standing on a building in plain view of the Empire State Building, do you think there's any chance that perhaps Mewtwo will make another appearance in the anime or a special? That would be pretty neat! [[User:JoeMoron2000|JoeMoron2000]] 01:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please go to the forums for this, in the GV forum. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::In response to the original, I wish, but as A said, FORUMS IT. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, unless someone is banned like me. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Unova

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Returns ==

Since Isshu is apparently based on New York City, and at the end of [[Mewtwo Returns]], Mewtwo is standing on a building in plain view of the Empire State Building, do you think there's any chance that perhaps Mewtwo will make another appearance in the anime or a special? That would be pretty neat! [[User:JoeMoron2000|JoeMoron2000]] 01:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please go to the forums for this, in the GV forum. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::In response to the original, I wish, but as A said, FORUMS IT. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration. That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Returns ==

Since Isshu is apparently based on New York City, and at the end of [[Mewtwo Returns]], Mewtwo is standing on a building in plain view of the Empire State Building, do you think there's any chance that perhaps Mewtwo will make another appearance in the anime or a special? That would be pretty neat! [[User:JoeMoron2000|JoeMoron2000]] 01:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please go to the forums for this, in the GV forum. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::In response to the original, I wish, but as A said, FORUMS IT. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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2010-10-03T01:38:04Z

Marlowe: /* Just throwing this out there */

2009-05-11T02:25:01Z

Marlowe: /* Legendary dragons */

{{Samename|"Legendary Pokémon" species|Arcanine (Pokémon)}}
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[[Image:Storybook-entei.jpg|thumb|right|290px|An artist's interpretation of {{p|Entei}}, a legendary Pokémon]]
'''Legendary Pokémon''' are a group of extremely rare and powerful [[Pokémon]].

In the Japanese version, there are three distinct terms used to refer to those Pokémon which are collectively called ''legendary'' in English. One, '''伝説のポケモン''' (''densetsu no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of legend''), refers to those which are featured prominently in legends, such as {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}. The second, '''幻のポケモン''' (''maboroshi no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of illusions'', translated as ''mirage Pokémon'' in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}), refers to those so rarely seen that some question their very existence, such as {{p|Mew}} and {{p|Lugia}}; an alternative definition restricts it only to Pokémon not available in normal gameplay. The third is '''神話のポケモン''' (''shinwa no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of myth''), which is a term applied to some of the legendary Pokémon of [[Sinnoh]].

==Characteristics of legendary Pokémon==
In the {{pkmn|games}}, the {{player}} typically has only one chance to capture a legendary Pokémon, but the same species have appeared in more than one game. Their [[gender]]s are usually unknown, with the exception of {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Heatran}} and {{p|Cresselia}}. With the exception of {{p|Phione}} and {{p|Manaphy}}, they will refuse to be [[Pokémon breeding|bred]] by {{pkmn|Trainer}}s, and, for similar reasons, they are often banned from competitions. They are [[stats|statistically]] some of the most powerful Pokémon in the game. They never [[Evolution|evolve]], and many are one-third of a [[legendary trio]].

In the {{pkmn|anime}}, legendary Pokémon are generally held in higher regard than they are in the games, nearing a god-like reverence. They appear only to special {{pkmn|Trainer}}s (usually the case of [[Ash Ketchum]]). Very few people have actually seen legendary Pokémon. Because of their rarity, they are sought after by trainers and collectors, especially by [[villainous team]]s like [[Team Rocket]].

It has been predicted (and demonstrated) that the capture of certain legendary Pokémon can lead to great catastrophe, as they often hold a pivotal role in nature. But some speculate that if a trainer were to "play by the rules," the results would not be as chaotic. {{FB|Factory Head|Noland}}, for example, befriended and fought official {{pkmn|battle}}s with an {{p|Articuno}} and its power never exceeded him. It should be noted, however, that Noland is a very skilled trainer.

As seen with {{p|Lugia}}, some breed in the wild; as seen with {{p|Celebi}}, they are neither immortal nor invincible; and only very few (notably {{p|Mewtwo}} and {{p|Arceus}}) are unique.

==List of legendary Pokémon==
There are 35 Pokémon considered to be legendary Pokémon, and there are several more with certain characteristics of legendary Pokémon.

===[[Generation I]]===
The legendary Pokémon of Generation I can be broken into two groups: the Legendary Birds and the Mew-based legendary Pokémon.

====Legendary birds====
[[Image:Legend-birds-slab.jpg|thumb|right|270px|An ancient slab of the Legendary Birds and an Arcanine seen in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''. Ash mistakenly identified {{p|Articuno|the blue one}} as {{p|Ho-Oh}}.]]
There are three [[legendary birds]], also referred to as winged mirages. The Legendary Birds are each based off a mythical bird.

As shown in the [[The Power of One|second movie]], should the three birds be disturbed and turned against each other, they will fight over territory, and, left unabated, their battles will ultimately cause the end of the world. They represent nature's balance and are tied to {{p|Lugia}}. They are strongly linked to the elements {{t|fire}}, {{t|ice}}, and {{t|electric|lightning}}— forces that when combined are believed to yield both the origin of life and the cause of apocalyptic weather disasters. Some fans believe that this scenario applies only to the three birds found near [[Shamouti Island]] in the [[Orange Archipelago]], and that this characteristic does not extend to their species.

In [[Pokémon Snap]], it was shown that the legendary birds could breed, as the player could hatch them from eggs around [[Pokémon Island]] by introducing the eggs to their corresponding element.
* '''{{MS|144}} {{p|Articuno}}''' is the legendary bird of {{t|ice}}. It can be found on [[Seafoam Islands]] in the Generation I games and their [[Generation III]] [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remakes]]. In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the [[Johto]] region in the episode ''[[EP189|Freeze Frame]]''. A third one was seen in the [[Kanto]] region, with {{FB|Factory Head|Noland}} in ''[[AG135|Numero Uno Articuno]]'' and ''[[AG136|The Symbol Life]]''.
* '''{{MS|145}} {{p|Zapdos}}''' is the legendary bird of {{t|Electric|thunder}}. It can be found at the [[Power Plant]] in the Generation I games and their Generation III remakes. In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the Johto region in the episode ''[[EP242|As Clear As Crystal]]'', and a third was seen in the credits of Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the sea, flying Jack Walker after he captured it with his Capture Styler. A fourth one that was spotted by [[Team Rocket]] in Sinnoh in ''[[DP094|Doc Brock!]]''.
* '''{{MS|146}} {{p|Moltres}}''' is the legendary bird of {{t|fire}}. It can be found on {{ka|Victory Road}} in the Generation I games, and in the [[Sevii Islands]] in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. The spirit of Moltres represents the [[Indigo League]] and its flame came alive in the episode ''[[EP074|All Fired Up]]''. It also appeared to [[Ritchie]] at [[Sevii Islands]] in the anime.

====Mew and Mewtwo====
[[Image:Mewtwo_mew.jpg|thumb|left|Mewtwo and Mew]]
* '''{{MS|151}} {{p|Mew}}''' is the {{t|Psychic}} feline Pokémon of ancient legend. It is not obtainable by normal means in any game; however, a [[Mew glitch|glitch]] allows the player to battle and capture Mew in [[Generation I]]. In {{game|Emerald}}, a Nintendo event gave out the Old Sea Map that would take the player to [[Faraway Island]], where Mew could be caught. In [[My Pokémon Ranch]], it is possible to obtain a Mew after depositing 999 Pokémon onto your ranch. It is said to be able to live forever. The DNA of all Pokémon can be traced back to Mew, and thus it represents the origin of life. The bubbly Mew was first seen in the [[Mewtwo Strikes Back|first movie]], and later in the special ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]''. Another is seen in the [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|eighth movie]]. A mirage Mew was seen in the Master of Mirage Pokémon.
* '''{{MS|150}} {{p|Mewtwo}}''' is a genetically altered, unique clone of Mew. It can be found in the [[Cerulean Cave]] in the Generation I games and their remakes. It was statistically the most powerful Pokémon until Generation II. It is also one of the most intelligent, and can communicate freely with humans using telepathy. It is the main character of the first movie, and the ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'' and ''[[The Birth of Mewtwo]]'' specials. After the events of Mewtwo Returns, it is portrayed as taking the cover of night and living amongst humans in big cities.

===[[Generation II]]===
Generation II featured the advent of three new groups of legendary Pokémon, consisting of a total of six.
====Legendary beasts====
[[Image:Legendary-beasts.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Raikou, Entei, and Suicune.]]
The [[legendary beasts]] have variously been referred to as legendary dogs or cats, but beasts is the accepted neutral title. These speedy, powerful creatures were created by Ho-Oh after the burning of [[Brass Tower]]. Because they are unable to restrain their extreme power, they race headlong around the land. They can be found racing around the Johto region in the Generation II games. One can also be found roaming Kanto, after the player gets the National Pokédex, in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, depending on the [[starter Pokémon]] the user chooses at the beginning of the game. In [[Pokémon Colosseum]], it is possible to snag all three legendary beasts.
* '''{{MS|243}} {{p|Raikou}}''' is the embodiment of thunder. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Squirtle}}. Raikou was twice seen in the Johto region. It was briefly seen in the episode ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]'', and also in the ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' special.
* '''{{MS|244}} {{p|Entei}}''' is the embodiment of volcanoes. According to legend, one is born every time a new volcano appears. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Bulbasaur}}. An Entei was seen in the Johto region, in the episode ''[[EP259|Entei at Your Own Risk]]''. A telepathic Entei was featured in the [[Spell of the Unown|third movie]], but it was only a manifestation of [[Molly Hale]]'s imagination, created by the {{p|Unown}}. An Entei is formed from a statue in Fiore when [[Solana]] and [[Lunick]] reach the Jungle Relic. It comes to life when they complete {{p|Charizard|the last challenge}} by mistake.
* '''{{MS|245}} {{p|Suicune}}''' is the embodiment of the North Wind. It is closely tied with Ho-Oh and the Unown. It is the Pokémon sought by [[Eusine]] in {{game|Crystal}}, and is released upon the completion of the [[Brass Tower|Burned Tower]] storyline in the Generation II games. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Charmander}}. Ash encountered one at the beginning of the [[Johto]] story arc, in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'Dile]]'', again in ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll]]'', and made a [[Suicune (Pokémon 4Ever)|vital appearance]] in the [[Pokémon 4Ever|fourth movie]]. Ash also encountered a Suicune in [[Sinnoh]], near the [[Valley Windworks]] in ''[[DP028|Drifloon On the Wind!'']].

====Lugia and Ho-Oh====
[[Image:Lugia_and_ho-oh.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Lugia and Ho-Oh.]]These two additional birds of legend are thought to be closely related, although they are also polar opposites. Ho-Oh is based on the Chinese phoenix, or {{wp|Fènghuáng}} and Lugia on the Japanese sea-kami {{wp|Ryūjin}}.
* '''{{MS|250}} {{p|Ho-Oh}}''' is the Guardian of the Skies. This Pokémon is represented by the sun, the sky, rainbows, the color gold, and awakening. It is said to glow in seven colors and see into the future. It resides at the top of the Tin Tower in the Generation II games. In Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen, and {{v2|Emerald}}, Ho-Oh is found atop [[Navel Rock]]. Ho-Oh is often seen at the beginning of a new journey, which happened to Ash three times. The spirit of Ho-Oh represents the [[Johto League]]. Ho-Oh is the guardian of the Legendary Beasts, and it is especially close to Suicune.
* '''{{MS|249}} {{p|Lugia}}''' is the Guardian of the Sea. It is represented by the moon, the sea, storms, the color silver, and slumber. Lugia can be found in [[Whirl Islands]] in the Generation II games. In Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen, and Emerald, Lugia is found beneath Navel Rock. A [[Shadow Lugia]] resides in the [[Orre]] region in [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]. Lugia protects the balance of nature, and is the only creature that can pacify the battling Legendary Birds. One was seen in the second movie. Two more, a parent and a child, were seen near [[Silver Rock Isle]] at the beginning of the [[Master Quest|Whirl Cup]] arc of the anime. Lugia is the guardian of the Legendary Birds. In the [[The Power of One|second movie]], [[Lawrence III]] mistook Lugia for the Beast of the Sea, which is actually a chaotic underwater current caused when the Legendary Birds are disturbed.

====Celebi====
[[Image:Celebi_Shrine.png|thumb|right|100px|Celebi on its shrine in [[Ilex Forest]].]]
Although it has no relation to Mew, Celebi was dubbed the "New Mew" because of its similar size, shape, stats, and [[National Pokédex]] number. Because of this, it is commonly listed with Mew (and later {{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Phione}}, and {{p|Manaphy}}) in lists of legendary Pokémon.
* '''{{MS|251}} {{p|Celebi}}''' is a forest guardian Pokémon that can travel through time. It is the star of the fourth movie and was obtainable in the Japanese version of Pokémon Crystal via the now-discontinued [[Pokémon Mobile System]] service. On the Japanese Bonus Disk for [[Pokémon Colosseum]], Celebi was a direct download to [[Generation III]] cartridges. During ''Pokémon 10th Anniversary: [[Journey Across America]]'', Celebi was downloadable on US Generation III cartridges. Celebi, when obtainable, is found in [[Ilex Forest]] by bringing the [[GS Ball]] to the [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Forest Shrine]].{{Clear-both}}

===[[Generation III]]===
The Generation III games feature a total of 10 new legendaries.
====Legendary golems====
[[Image:3_regis.jpg|thumb|left|Booster art of Regice, Registeel, and Regirock from {{TCG|EX Hidden Legends}}.]]
The legendary {{wp|golem}}-like Regis were featured in the [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|eighth movie]] as the protectors of the Tree of Beginning, but the true story of their history remains a mystery. They have a strong connection to the fourth Regi and their keeper, '''{{p|Regigigas}}'''.
* '''{{MS|377}} {{p|Regirock}}''' is found in the [[Desert Ruins]] in the [[Generation III]] games when the required puzzle is solved. Its location in {{game|Platinum}} is the [[Rock Peak Ruins]].
* '''{{MS|378}} {{p|Regice}}''' is found in the [[Island Cave]] in the Generation III games after solving a puzzle. Its location in Pokémon Platinum is the [[Iceberg Ruins]].
* '''{{MS|379}} {{p|Registeel}}''' is found in the [[Ancient Tomb]] in the Generation III games, and, like the other two Regis, a puzzle must be solved before it can be reached. Its location in Pokémon Platinum is the [[Iron Ruins]].

====Eon Pokémon====
[[Image:LatiosLatiasStatues.jpg|thumb|right|Statues of Latios and Latias in [[Alto Mare]]]]
Latios and Latias (sometimes referred to, collectively, as [[Lati@s]]) are twin {{t|Dragon}}s (one male, one female, respectively) featured in the [[Pokémon Heroes|fifth movie]]. Both can take the shape of humans. According to legend, they guard the water city of [[Alto Mare]], and are revered as gods. They have a strong connection with the [[Soul Dew]].
* '''{{MS|380}} {{p|Latias}}''', the female twin, is found in the wild after defeating the Elite Four in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}}. She changes routes whenever the player does, and is considered as rare as the Legendary Beasts in Generation II. She can also be obtained in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Ruby}} by using the [[Eon Ticket]] obtained from [[Nintendo Power]]. In {{game|Emerald}}, when the player's mom asks about a TV program after the Elite Four, she appears as in Sapphire if the player chooses Red, and as in Ruby if the player chooses Blue.
* '''{{MS|381}} {{p|Latios}}''', the male twin, is found in the wild after defeating the Elite Four in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}}. He is considered as rare as the Legendary Beasts in Generation II due to the similar route-changing activities that he shares with them and Latias. He can also be obtained in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}} by using the Eon Ticket obtained from Nintendo Power. In {{game|Emerald}}, when the player's mom asks about a TV program after the Elite Four, he appears as in Ruby if the player chooses Blue, and as in Sapphire if the player chooses Red.

====Super-ancient Pokémon====
[[Image:GenIII_Battle.jpg|250px|thumb|right|A depiction of the cataclysmic battle between Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza]]
The [[Weather conditions|weather]]-related legendary Pokémon represent the balance of nature and play a major role in the storyline of the [[Hoenn]]-based Generation III games. It is said that, at the beginning of time, Groudon raised lands and expanded continents as Kyogre expanded the seas. These Pokémon took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle, soothed by Rayquaza.

They are based on the {{wp|behemoth}}, {{wp|leviathan}}, and {{wp|ziz}} of Hebrew legend.
* '''{{MS|382}} {{p|Kyogre}}''' is the beast who has the power to expand the sea by bringing forth constant rain. It is found in the [[Cave of Origin]] in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}}, and [[Marine Cave]] in {{game|Emerald}}. It is the object of [[Team Aqua]]'s reverence. It was seen in the [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|ninth movie]].
* '''{{MS|383}} {{p|Groudon}}''' is the beast who has the power to expand the land by scattering rain clouds and making water evaporate with light and heat. It is found in the Cave of Origin in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}}, and [[Terra Cave]] in {{game|Emerald}}. It is the object of [[Team Magma]]'s reverence. It was seen in the [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|sixth movie]].
* '''{{MS|384}} {{p|Rayquaza}}''' is the legendary dragon found in the [[Sky Pillar]] in the Generation III games. It is the protector of the skies. It was seen in the [[Destiny Deoxys|seventh movie]].

====Other legendary Pokémon====
* '''{{MS|385}} {{p|Jirachi}}''' is the legendary wish-granting Pokémon who was available from [[Pokémon Colosseum]]'s bonus disk in North America and available within [[Pokémon Channel]] in the UK, Europe and Australia (PAL Encoded Regions). It is likened to Mew and Celebi. Jirachi is the star of the [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|sixth movie]].
* '''{{MS|386}}/{{MS|386A}}/{{MS|386D}}/{{MS|386S}} {{p|Deoxys}}''' is a Pokémon with strange alien and virus-like characteristics. It changes its form depending on the game version in which it is found. The [[Aurora Ticket]] used to obtain Deoxys has been given out in North America at the New York {{OBP|Pokémon Center|store}} and 2004's [[Pokémon Rocks America]] events. Two different Deoxys were featured in the seventh movie, while a third was featured in ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]''.

===[[Generation IV]]===
The Generation IV games feature a total of 14 legendary Pokémon, the most of any generation.
{{Clear-both}}
====Mirage Pokémon====
[[Image:LakeTrio.gif|thumb|right|Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf together]]
{{wp|Fairy}}-like creatures that each dwell in a trio of three lakes. Birthed from Arceus, each represents a different aspect of the human mind.
* '''{{MS|480}} {{p|Uxie}}''' embodies knowledge.
* '''{{MS|481}} {{p|Mesprit}}''' embodies emotion.
* '''{{MS|482}} {{p|Azelf}}''' embodies will.

All three are considered unique. Uxie is located in the [[Lake Acuity|Acuity Cavern]], Mesprit will [[Roaming Pokémon|roam]] Sinnoh after the first encounter in the [[Lake Verity|Verity Cavern]], and Azelf is found in the [[Lake Valor|Valor Cavern]].

====Legendary dragons====
[[Image:Dragontrio.PNG|180px|thumb|right|Dialga, Palkia and Giratina poster from {{game|Platinum}}]]
The three Pokémon Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are the mascots for Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum and have the ability to warp the fabric of reality. Birthed from Arceus, they battle for all of eternity in a different dimension. Dialga and Palkia were featured in the [[The Rise of Darkrai|tenth movie]], and Giratina was featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|eleventh movie]]. All three are expected to have their final confrontation in the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]].
* '''{{MS|483}} {{p|Dialga}}''' controls time.
* '''{{MS|484}} {{p|Palkia}}''' controls space.
* '''{{MS|487O}}/{{MS|487}} {{p|Giratina}}''' controls ???.
Depending on the game version, [[Team Galactic]] will try to gain control of one using the power of the lake trio. Their goal is to use their power to destroy the {{pkmn|universe}} and rebuild it with [[Cyrus]] as a god.

====Lunar Pokémon====
[[Image:Darkrai-Newmoon_Island.png|thumb|left|Darkrai in Newmoon Island]]
Based on the [[wp:crescent moon|crescent]] and [[wp:new moon|new]] {{wp|moon}}, these two Pokémon seem to be complementary of one another. Cresselia can cure the permanent nightmares that Darkrai causes people to suffer.
* '''{{MS|488}} {{p|Cresselia}}''' resembles the crescent moon. It seems to bring peaceful dreams and is able to heal emotional scars. It can be found {{pkmn2|roaming}} [[Sinnoh]] after it is first encountered on [[Fullmoon Island]].
* '''{{MS|491}} {{p|Darkrai}}''' can induce sleep and control dreams. It is active during nights with no moon, and can cause its victims to thrash about with terrible nightmares. It can be found on [[Newmoon Island]] if the {{player}} has a [[Member's Card]]. A Darkrai was featured in the [[The Rise of Darkrai|tenth movie]], along with one of each of the legendary dragons (except {{p|Giratina}}), while a second made its anime debut in ''[[DP104|Sleepless in Pre-Battle!]]''.

====Other Legendary Pokémon====

* '''{{MS|490}} {{p|Manaphy}}''' is referred to as the "Prince of the Sea." It must be hatched from an {{pkmn|egg}} and has the power to swap the hearts of people and Pokémon, putting them into different bodies. It was featured in the [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|ninth movie]].
* '''{{MS|489}} {{p|Phione}}''' is the result of breeding Manaphy (or another Phione) with {{p|Ditto}}, and is the only legendary to be obtained in such a manner. Until recently, its status was heavily debated; however, [[Pokémon.com]] revealed that Phione is a legendary.
* '''{{MS|486}} {{p|Regigigas}}''' is the Normal-type Regi that can be found only when the [[Legendary golems|three other Regis]] are reunited. It is said that they moved the continents into place by pulling them on a rope. A Regigigas was awakened in the [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|eleventh movie]]. In {{game|Platinum}} it is stated that it had shaped itself from an iceberg, rocks, and magma.
* '''{{MS|485}} {{p|Heatran}}''' is a dual-type Fire/Steel Pokémon that can be found in [[Stark Mountain]]. It was born from the flames of a volcano when Dialga, Palkia and their relatives first created the universe. The lava and magma pooled together to become the first living Heatran, and later, [[Stark Mountain]], their home. It is also the first Legendary Pokémon that can be either male or female. A Heatran will appear in the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]].
[[File:Seabreak path.png|thumb|right|Shaymin running down [[Seabreak Path]]]]
* '''{{MS|492}}/{{MS|492S}} {{p|Shaymin}}''' is the Gratitude Pokémon that curls up in flower-beds and often goes unnoticed. It has the ability to instantly purify an area of all pollutants and transform it into a flowery field. It can transform into another Forme. Shaymin and its Sky Forme were featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|eleventh movie]]. Many Shaymin appeared in the film, confirming that the Shaymin species is more common than that of other legendary species. If the player has [[Oak's Letter]], [[Flower Paradise]], where Shaymin is located, can be accessed after their thanks are expressed at the white rock on [[Route 224]].
* '''{{MS|493}} {{p|Arceus}}''' is the creation Pokémon said to have been born from an egg in the nothingness of space. It created matter (time and space) and spirit (knowledge, emotion and will) before falling into eternal slumber. It can be awoken by playing the [[Azure Flute]] at the peak of [[Mt. Coronet]]. Arceus appears in the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]].

===Other Pokémon of myth===
* '''{{p|Arcanine}}''''s [[species]] classification is ''Legendary''.
* The fierceness and destructive nature of '''{{p|Gyarados}}''' is described in the [[Pokédex]] as a thing of legend as is the seemingly complementary beauty and calming ability of '''{{p|Milotic}}'''.
* When facing '''{{p|Rotom}}''', the music is the same as when facing a legendary Pokémon. It, along with the legendary Giratina and Shaymin, has also received new forms in {{v2|Platinum}}.
* '''{{p|Unown}}''' are a mysterious species of Pokémon based on the Latin alphabet. [[Professor Oak]] referred to them as Legendary, probably because they were featured heavily in ancient myths and legends and because they can display large amounts of otherworldly power in swarms. Also, like legendaries, they cannot breed. In the anime, they appear to live in the [[Unown dimension|same dimension]] as Dialga and Palkia.
* The ''[[pseudo-legendary]]'', Dragon-like Pokémon '''{{p|Dragonite}}''', '''{{p|Tyranitar}}''', '''{{p|Salamence}}''' are usually placed within the "Legendary" section of a regional Pokédex, and are so extraordinarily rare and powerful that they are often mentioned in lists of Legendary Pokémon. '''{{p|Metagross}}''' and '''{{p|Garchomp}}''' are also considered "pseudo-legendary", due to their stats, and Metagross is even placed within the same section of the Hoenn Pokédex as Salamence.
* Like Arcanine, '''{{p|Ninetales}}''' is considered a Legendary Pokémon due to it being elusive, incredibly long-lived, and possessing the ability to cast powerful curses against anyone that touches its tails. This is specifically mentioned in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 1|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]].
* '''{{p|Lucario}}''' and its master [[Sir Aaron]] were forever revered because of their help pacifying an ancient battle, as seen in the eighth movie. In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, a Lucario was regarded as a legendary Rescue Team Leader in the distant past, and "Lucario Rank" is the highest attainable team rank in the game. Also, in the opening of the Diamond and Pearl theme song, {{p|Lucario}} appears beside {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}.
* '''{{p|Togepi}}''' and its evolutions are incredibly rare and bring joy wherever they go. In ''[[AG045|A Togepi Mirage!]]'' Togepi is referred to as a savior.
* The presence of '''{{p|Absol}}''' is a fabled warning of impending disaster.
* '''{{p|Spiritomb}}''' was formed by 108 spirits and is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] because of misdeeds 500 years ago.

==Trivia==
* In the games, there appears to only be one of every legendary Pokémon, but in the {{pkmn|anime}}, there is more than one of most legendaries.
* Battle themes are shared by related legendaries, while many [[legendary trios]] have a theme specific to themselves. Specifically:
**{{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} feature a theme specific to themselves in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, a remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto, as a reference to the fact that in [[Generation I]], there was only one battle theme for wild Pokémon, legendary or not. When they are encountered in {{game|Platinum}}, they use the standard wild legendary battle theme.
**{{p|Mewtwo}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, another remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto.
**{{p|Mew}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|Emerald}}, and despite being found in the wild ''only'' in a [[Hoenn]]-based game, it is yet another remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto.
**In {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} featured the standard wild Pokémon encounter music of [[Johto]], however, in {{game|Crystal}}, this was changed to a theme specific to themselves. When they are encountered in FireRed and LeafGreen, they use the standard legendary battle theme shared with the legendary birds.
**{{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, and {{p|Celebi}} have only featured the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation III]] when they are encountered. It was tuned up and reused when they are encountered in {{game|Platinum}}.
**{{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}} have only featured the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}} have a theme specific to themselves when encountered in [[Generation III]].
**{{p|Deoxys}} features a battle theme specific to itself when battled on [[Birth Island]], making it the first to share its theme with no other Pokémon.
**{{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Manaphy}}, and {{p|Phione}} have never appeared in battle as a wild Pokémon aside from [[cheating]].
**{{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered.
**{{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered.
**{{p|Giratina}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|Platinum}} when it is encountered.
**{{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Regigigas}}, {{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered. This theme is, strangely, shared with the non-legendary {{p|Rotom}}, and likewise is shared with {{p|Giratina}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
**{{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Cresselia}} use the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Arceus}}, perhaps fittingly, has its own theme shared with no others as well.
*Every generation has had at least one {{t|Psychic}}- and {{type2|Flying}} legendary (though in [[Generation IV]], {{p|Shaymin}} is only able to be part-Flying during the daytime, and {{p|Arceus}} is only Flying-type whilst holding the [[Sky Plate]]).

==Related articles==
*[[Event Pokémon]]
*[[Myths and legends involving legendary Pokémon]]
*[[Sinnoh myths]]
*[[History of the Pokémon world]]
*[[Pseudo-legendary]]

==External links==
*[http://www.dark-stars.net/Legend/ Legends of the Mon], the fanlisting for legendary Pokémon.

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Legendary Pokémon

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[[Image:Storybook-entei.jpg|thumb|right|290px|An artist's interpretation of {{p|Entei}}, a legendary Pokémon]]
'''Legendary Pokémon''' are a group of extremely rare and powerful [[Pokémon]].

In the Japanese version, there are three distinct terms used to refer to those Pokémon which are collectively called ''legendary'' in English. One, '''伝説のポケモン''' (''densetsu no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of legend''), refers to those which are featured prominently in legends, such as {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}. The second, '''幻のポケモン''' (''maboroshi no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of illusions'', translated as ''mirage Pokémon'' in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}), refers to those so rarely seen that some question their very existence, such as {{p|Mew}} and {{p|Lugia}}; an alternative definition restricts it only to Pokémon not available in normal gameplay. The third is '''神話のポケモン''' (''shinwa no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of myth''), which is a term applied to some of the legendary Pokémon of [[Sinnoh]].

==Characteristics of legendary Pokémon==
In the {{pkmn|games}}, the {{player}} typically has only one chance to capture a legendary Pokémon, but the same species have appeared in more than one game. Their [[gender]]s are usually unknown, with the exception of {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Heatran}} and {{p|Cresselia}}. With the exception of {{p|Phione}} and {{p|Manaphy}}, they will refuse to be [[Pokémon breeding|bred]] by {{pkmn|Trainer}}s, and, for similar reasons, they are often banned from competitions. They are [[stats|statistically]] some of the most powerful Pokémon in the game. They never [[Evolution|evolve]], and many are one-third of a [[legendary trio]].

In the {{pkmn|anime}}, legendary Pokémon are generally held in higher regard than they are in the games, nearing a god-like reverence. They appear only to special {{pkmn|Trainer}}s (usually the case of [[Ash Ketchum]]). Very few people have actually seen legendary Pokémon. Because of their rarity, they are sought after by trainers and collectors, especially by [[villainous team]]s like [[Team Rocket]].

It has been predicted (and demonstrated) that the capture of certain legendary Pokémon can lead to great catastrophe, as they often hold a pivotal role in nature. But some speculate that if a trainer were to "play by the rules," the results would not be as chaotic. {{FB|Factory Head|Noland}}, for example, befriended and fought official {{pkmn|battle}}s with an {{p|Articuno}} and its power never exceeded him. It should be noted, however, that Noland is a very skilled trainer.

As seen with {{p|Lugia}}, some breed in the wild; as seen with {{p|Celebi}}, they are neither immortal nor invincible; and only very few (notably {{p|Mewtwo}} and {{p|Arceus}}) are unique.

==List of legendary Pokémon==
There are 35 Pokémon considered to be legendary Pokémon, and there are several more with certain characteristics of legendary Pokémon.

===[[Generation I]]===
The legendary Pokémon of Generation I can be broken into two groups: the Legendary Birds and the Mew-based legendary Pokémon.

====Legendary birds====
[[Image:Legend-birds-slab.jpg|thumb|right|270px|An ancient slab of the Legendary Birds and an Arcanine seen in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''. Ash mistakenly identified {{p|Articuno|the blue one}} as {{p|Ho-Oh}}.]]
There are three [[legendary birds]], also referred to as winged mirages. The Legendary Birds are each based off a mythical bird.

As shown in the [[The Power of One|second movie]], should the three birds be disturbed and turned against each other, they will fight over territory, and, left unabated, their battles will ultimately cause the end of the world. They represent nature's balance and are tied to {{p|Lugia}}. They are strongly linked to the elements {{t|fire}}, {{t|ice}}, and {{t|electric|lightning}}— forces that when combined are believed to yield both the origin of life and the cause of apocalyptic weather disasters. Some fans believe that this scenario applies only to the three birds found near [[Shamouti Island]] in the [[Orange Archipelago]], and that this characteristic does not extend to their species.

In [[Pokémon Snap]], it was shown that the legendary birds could breed, as the player could hatch them from eggs around [[Pokémon Island]] by introducing the eggs to their corresponding element.
* '''{{MS|144}} {{p|Articuno}}''' is the legendary bird of {{t|ice}}. It can be found on [[Seafoam Islands]] in the Generation I games and their [[Generation III]] [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remakes]]. In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the [[Johto]] region in the episode ''[[EP189|Freeze Frame]]''. A third one was seen in the [[Kanto]] region, with {{FB|Factory Head|Noland}} in ''[[AG135|Numero Uno Articuno]]'' and ''[[AG136|The Symbol Life]]''.
* '''{{MS|145}} {{p|Zapdos}}''' is the legendary bird of {{t|Electric|thunder}}. It can be found at the [[Power Plant]] in the Generation I games and their Generation III remakes. In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the Johto region in the episode ''[[EP242|As Clear As Crystal]]'', and a third was seen in the credits of Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the sea, flying Jack Walker after he captured it with his Capture Styler. A fourth one that was spotted by [[Team Rocket]] in Sinnoh in ''[[DP094|Doc Brock!]]''.
* '''{{MS|146}} {{p|Moltres}}''' is the legendary bird of {{t|fire}}. It can be found on {{ka|Victory Road}} in the Generation I games, and in the [[Sevii Islands]] in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. The spirit of Moltres represents the [[Indigo League]] and its flame came alive in the episode ''[[EP074|All Fired Up]]''. It also appeared to [[Ritchie]] at [[Sevii Islands]] in the anime.

====Mew and Mewtwo====
[[Image:Mewtwo_mew.jpg|thumb|left|Mewtwo and Mew]]
* '''{{MS|151}} {{p|Mew}}''' is the {{t|Psychic}} feline Pokémon of ancient legend. It is not obtainable by normal means in any game; however, a [[Mew glitch|glitch]] allows the player to battle and capture Mew in [[Generation I]]. In {{game|Emerald}}, a Nintendo event gave out the Old Sea Map that would take the player to [[Faraway Island]], where Mew could be caught. In [[My Pokémon Ranch]], it is possible to obtain a Mew after depositing 999 Pokémon onto your ranch. It is said to be able to live forever. The DNA of all Pokémon can be traced back to Mew, and thus it represents the origin of life. The bubbly Mew was first seen in the [[Mewtwo Strikes Back|first movie]], and later in the special ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]''. Another is seen in the [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|eighth movie]]. A mirage Mew was seen in the Master of Mirage Pokémon.
* '''{{MS|150}} {{p|Mewtwo}}''' is a genetically altered, unique clone of Mew. It can be found in the [[Cerulean Cave]] in the Generation I games and their remakes. It was statistically the most powerful Pokémon until Generation II. It is also one of the most intelligent, and can communicate freely with humans using telepathy. It is the main character of the first movie, and the ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'' and ''[[The Birth of Mewtwo]]'' specials. After the events of Mewtwo Returns, it is portrayed as taking the cover of night and living amongst humans in big cities.

===[[Generation II]]===
Generation II featured the advent of three new groups of legendary Pokémon, consisting of a total of six.
====Legendary beasts====
[[Image:Legendary-beasts.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Raikou, Entei, and Suicune.]]
The [[legendary beasts]] have variously been referred to as legendary dogs or cats, but beasts is the accepted neutral title. These speedy, powerful creatures were created by Ho-Oh after the burning of [[Brass Tower]]. Because they are unable to restrain their extreme power, they race headlong around the land. They can be found racing around the Johto region in the Generation II games. One can also be found roaming Kanto, after the player gets the National Pokédex, in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, depending on the [[starter Pokémon]] the user chooses at the beginning of the game. In [[Pokémon Colosseum]], it is possible to snag all three legendary beasts.
* '''{{MS|243}} {{p|Raikou}}''' is the embodiment of thunder. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Squirtle}}. Raikou was twice seen in the Johto region. It was briefly seen in the episode ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]'', and also in the ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' special.
* '''{{MS|244}} {{p|Entei}}''' is the embodiment of volcanoes. According to legend, one is born every time a new volcano appears. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Bulbasaur}}. An Entei was seen in the Johto region, in the episode ''[[EP259|Entei at Your Own Risk]]''. A telepathic Entei was featured in the [[Spell of the Unown|third movie]], but it was only a manifestation of [[Molly Hale]]'s imagination, created by the {{p|Unown}}. An Entei is formed from a statue in Fiore when [[Solana]] and [[Lunick]] reach the Jungle Relic. It comes to life when they complete {{p|Charizard|the last challenge}} by mistake.
* '''{{MS|245}} {{p|Suicune}}''' is the embodiment of the North Wind. It is closely tied with Ho-Oh and the Unown. It is the Pokémon sought by [[Eusine]] in {{game|Crystal}}, and is released upon the completion of the [[Brass Tower|Burned Tower]] storyline in the Generation II games. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Charmander}}. Ash encountered one at the beginning of the [[Johto]] story arc, in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'Dile]]'', again in ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll]]'', and made a [[Suicune (Pokémon 4Ever)|vital appearance]] in the [[Pokémon 4Ever|fourth movie]]. Ash also encountered a Suicune in [[Sinnoh]], near the [[Valley Windworks]] in ''[[DP028|Drifloon On the Wind!'']].

====Lugia and Ho-Oh====
[[Image:Lugia_and_ho-oh.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Lugia and Ho-Oh.]]These two additional birds of legend are thought to be closely related, although they are also polar opposites. Ho-Oh is based on the Chinese phoenix, or {{wp|Fènghuáng}} and Lugia on the Japanese sea-kami {{wp|Ryūjin}}.
* '''{{MS|250}} {{p|Ho-Oh}}''' is the Guardian of the Skies. This Pokémon is represented by the sun, the sky, rainbows, the color gold, and awakening. It is said to glow in seven colors and see into the future. It resides at the top of the Tin Tower in the Generation II games. In Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen, and {{v2|Emerald}}, Ho-Oh is found atop [[Navel Rock]]. Ho-Oh is often seen at the beginning of a new journey, which happened to Ash three times. The spirit of Ho-Oh represents the [[Johto League]]. Ho-Oh is the guardian of the Legendary Beasts, and it is especially close to Suicune.
* '''{{MS|249}} {{p|Lugia}}''' is the Guardian of the Sea. It is represented by the moon, the sea, storms, the color silver, and slumber. Lugia can be found in [[Whirl Islands]] in the Generation II games. In Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen, and Emerald, Lugia is found beneath Navel Rock. A [[Shadow Lugia]] resides in the [[Orre]] region in [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]. Lugia protects the balance of nature, and is the only creature that can pacify the battling Legendary Birds. One was seen in the second movie. Two more, a parent and a child, were seen near [[Silver Rock Isle]] at the beginning of the [[Master Quest|Whirl Cup]] arc of the anime. Lugia is the guardian of the Legendary Birds. In the [[The Power of One|second movie]], [[Lawrence III]] mistook Lugia for the Beast of the Sea, which is actually a chaotic underwater current caused when the Legendary Birds are disturbed.

====Celebi====
[[Image:Celebi_Shrine.png|thumb|right|100px|Celebi on its shrine in [[Ilex Forest]].]]
Although it has no relation to Mew, Celebi was dubbed the "New Mew" because of its similar size, shape, stats, and [[National Pokédex]] number. Because of this, it is commonly listed with Mew (and later {{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Phione}}, and {{p|Manaphy}}) in lists of legendary Pokémon.
* '''{{MS|251}} {{p|Celebi}}''' is a forest guardian Pokémon that can travel through time. It is the star of the fourth movie and was obtainable in the Japanese version of Pokémon Crystal via the now-discontinued [[Pokémon Mobile System]] service. On the Japanese Bonus Disk for [[Pokémon Colosseum]], Celebi was a direct download to [[Generation III]] cartridges. During ''Pokémon 10th Anniversary: [[Journey Across America]]'', Celebi was downloadable on US Generation III cartridges. Celebi, when obtainable, is found in [[Ilex Forest]] by bringing the [[GS Ball]] to the [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Forest Shrine]].{{Clear-both}}

===[[Generation III]]===
The Generation III games feature a total of 10 new legendaries.
====Legendary golems====
[[Image:3_regis.jpg|thumb|left|Booster art of Regice, Registeel, and Regirock from {{TCG|EX Hidden Legends}}.]]
The legendary {{wp|golem}}-like Regis were featured in the [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|eighth movie]] as the protectors of the Tree of Beginning, but the true story of their history remains a mystery. They have a strong connection to the fourth Regi and their keeper, '''{{p|Regigigas}}'''.
* '''{{MS|377}} {{p|Regirock}}''' is found in the [[Desert Ruins]] in the [[Generation III]] games when the required puzzle is solved. Its location in {{game|Platinum}} is the [[Rock Peak Ruins]].
* '''{{MS|378}} {{p|Regice}}''' is found in the [[Island Cave]] in the Generation III games after solving a puzzle. Its location in Pokémon Platinum is the [[Iceberg Ruins]].
* '''{{MS|379}} {{p|Registeel}}''' is found in the [[Ancient Tomb]] in the Generation III games, and, like the other two Regis, a puzzle must be solved before it can be reached. Its location in Pokémon Platinum is the [[Iron Ruins]].

====Eon Pokémon====
[[Image:LatiosLatiasStatues.jpg|thumb|right|Statues of Latios and Latias in [[Alto Mare]]]]
Latios and Latias (sometimes referred to, collectively, as [[Lati@s]]) are twin {{t|Dragon}}s (one male, one female, respectively) featured in the [[Pokémon Heroes|fifth movie]]. Both can take the shape of humans. According to legend, they guard the water city of [[Alto Mare]], and are revered as gods. They have a strong connection with the [[Soul Dew]].
* '''{{MS|380}} {{p|Latias}}''', the female twin, is found in the wild after defeating the Elite Four in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}}. She changes routes whenever the player does, and is considered as rare as the Legendary Beasts in Generation II. She can also be obtained in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Ruby}} by using the [[Eon Ticket]] obtained from [[Nintendo Power]]. In {{game|Emerald}}, when the player's mom asks about a TV program after the Elite Four, she appears as in Sapphire if the player chooses Red, and as in Ruby if the player chooses Blue.
* '''{{MS|381}} {{p|Latios}}''', the male twin, is found in the wild after defeating the Elite Four in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}}. He is considered as rare as the Legendary Beasts in Generation II due to the similar route-changing activities that he shares with them and Latias. He can also be obtained in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}} by using the Eon Ticket obtained from Nintendo Power. In {{game|Emerald}}, when the player's mom asks about a TV program after the Elite Four, he appears as in Ruby if the player chooses Blue, and as in Sapphire if the player chooses Red.

====Super-ancient Pokémon====
[[Image:GenIII_Battle.jpg|250px|thumb|right|A depiction of the cataclysmic battle between Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza]]
The [[Weather conditions|weather]]-related legendary Pokémon represent the balance of nature and play a major role in the storyline of the [[Hoenn]]-based Generation III games. It is said that, at the beginning of time, Groudon raised lands and expanded continents as Kyogre expanded the seas. These Pokémon took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle, soothed by Rayquaza.

They are based on the {{wp|behemoth}}, {{wp|leviathan}}, and {{wp|ziz}} of Hebrew legend.
* '''{{MS|382}} {{p|Kyogre}}''' is the beast who has the power to expand the sea by bringing forth constant rain. It is found in the [[Cave of Origin]] in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Sapphire}}, and [[Marine Cave]] in {{game|Emerald}}. It is the object of [[Team Aqua]]'s reverence. It was seen in the [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|ninth movie]].
* '''{{MS|383}} {{p|Groudon}}''' is the beast who has the power to expand the land by scattering rain clouds and making water evaporate with light and heat. It is found in the Cave of Origin in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}}, and [[Terra Cave]] in {{game|Emerald}}. It is the object of [[Team Magma]]'s reverence. It was seen in the [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|sixth movie]].
* '''{{MS|384}} {{p|Rayquaza}}''' is the legendary dragon found in the [[Sky Pillar]] in the Generation III games. It is the protector of the skies. It was seen in the [[Destiny Deoxys|seventh movie]].

====Other legendary Pokémon====
* '''{{MS|385}} {{p|Jirachi}}''' is the legendary wish-granting Pokémon who was available from [[Pokémon Colosseum]]'s bonus disk in North America and available within [[Pokémon Channel]] in the UK, Europe and Australia (PAL Encoded Regions). It is likened to Mew and Celebi. Jirachi is the star of the [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|sixth movie]].
* '''{{MS|386}}/{{MS|386A}}/{{MS|386D}}/{{MS|386S}} {{p|Deoxys}}''' is a Pokémon with strange alien and virus-like characteristics. It changes its form depending on the game version in which it is found. The [[Aurora Ticket]] used to obtain Deoxys has been given out in North America at the New York {{OBP|Pokémon Center|store}} and 2004's [[Pokémon Rocks America]] events. Two different Deoxys were featured in the seventh movie, while a third was featured in ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]''.

===[[Generation IV]]===
The Generation IV games feature a total of 14 legendary Pokémon, the most of any generation.
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====Mirage Pokémon====
[[Image:LakeTrio.gif|thumb|right|Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf together]]
{{wp|Fairy}}-like creatures that each dwell in a trio of three lakes. Birthed from Arceus, each represents a different aspect of the human mind.
* '''{{MS|480}} {{p|Uxie}}''' embodies knowledge.
* '''{{MS|481}} {{p|Mesprit}}''' embodies emotion.
* '''{{MS|482}} {{p|Azelf}}''' embodies will.

All three are considered unique. Uxie is located in the [[Lake Acuity|Acuity Cavern]], Mesprit will [[Roaming Pokémon|roam]] Sinnoh after the first encounter in the [[Lake Verity|Verity Cavern]], and Azelf is found in the [[Lake Valor|Valor Cavern]].

====Legendary dragons====
[[Image:Dragontrio.PNG|180px|thumb|right|Dialga, Palkia and Giratina poster from {{game|Platinum}}]]
The three Pokémon Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are the mascots for Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum and have the ability to warp the fabric of reality. Birthed from Arceus, they battle for all of eternity in a different dimension. Dialga and Palkia were featured in the [[The Rise of Darkrai|tenth movie]], and Giratina was featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|eleventh movie]]. All three are expected to have their final confrontation in the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]].
* '''{{MS|483}} {{p|Dialga}}''' controls time.
* '''{{MS|484}} {{p|Palkia}}''' controls space.
* '''{{MS|487O}}/{{MS|487}} {{p|Giratina}}''' controls possibly an unknown third factor, speculated by fans to be dimensions.
Depending on the game version, [[Team Galactic]] will try to gain control of one using the power of the lake trio. Their goal is to use their power to destroy the {{pkmn|universe}} and rebuild it with [[Cyrus]] as a god.

====Lunar Pokémon====
[[Image:Darkrai-Newmoon_Island.png|thumb|left|Darkrai in Newmoon Island]]
Based on the [[wp:crescent moon|crescent]] and [[wp:new moon|new]] {{wp|moon}}, these two Pokémon seem to be complementary of one another. Cresselia can cure the permanent nightmares that Darkrai causes people to suffer.
* '''{{MS|488}} {{p|Cresselia}}''' resembles the crescent moon. It seems to bring peaceful dreams and is able to heal emotional scars. It can be found {{pkmn2|roaming}} [[Sinnoh]] after it is first encountered on [[Fullmoon Island]].
* '''{{MS|491}} {{p|Darkrai}}''' can induce sleep and control dreams. It is active during nights with no moon, and can cause its victims to thrash about with terrible nightmares. It can be found on [[Newmoon Island]] if the {{player}} has a [[Member's Card]]. A Darkrai was featured in the [[The Rise of Darkrai|tenth movie]], along with one of each of the legendary dragons (except {{p|Giratina}}), while a second made its anime debut in ''[[DP104|Sleepless in Pre-Battle!]]''.

====Other Legendary Pokémon====

* '''{{MS|490}} {{p|Manaphy}}''' is referred to as the "Prince of the Sea." It must be hatched from an {{pkmn|egg}} and has the power to swap the hearts of people and Pokémon, putting them into different bodies. It was featured in the [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|ninth movie]].
* '''{{MS|489}} {{p|Phione}}''' is the result of breeding Manaphy (or another Phione) with {{p|Ditto}}, and is the only legendary to be obtained in such a manner. Until recently, its status was heavily debated; however, [[Pokémon.com]] revealed that Phione is a legendary.
* '''{{MS|486}} {{p|Regigigas}}''' is the Normal-type Regi that can be found only when the [[Legendary golems|three other Regis]] are reunited. It is said that they moved the continents into place by pulling them on a rope. A Regigigas was awakened in the [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|eleventh movie]]. In {{game|Platinum}} it is stated that it had shaped itself from an iceberg, rocks, and magma.
* '''{{MS|485}} {{p|Heatran}}''' is a dual-type Fire/Steel Pokémon that can be found in [[Stark Mountain]]. It was born from the flames of a volcano when Dialga, Palkia and their relatives first created the universe. The lava and magma pooled together to become the first living Heatran, and later, [[Stark Mountain]], their home. It is also the first Legendary Pokémon that can be either male or female. A Heatran will appear in the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]].
[[File:Seabreak path.png|thumb|right|Shaymin running down [[Seabreak Path]]]]
* '''{{MS|492}}/{{MS|492S}} {{p|Shaymin}}''' is the Gratitude Pokémon that curls up in flower-beds and often goes unnoticed. It has the ability to instantly purify an area of all pollutants and transform it into a flowery field. It can transform into another Forme. Shaymin and its Sky Forme were featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|eleventh movie]]. Many Shaymin appeared in the film, confirming that the Shaymin species is more common than that of other legendary species. If the player has [[Oak's Letter]], [[Flower Paradise]], where Shaymin is located, can be accessed after their thanks are expressed at the white rock on [[Route 224]].
* '''{{MS|493}} {{p|Arceus}}''' is the creation Pokémon said to have been born from an egg in the nothingness of space. It created matter (time and space) and spirit (knowledge, emotion and will) before falling into eternal slumber. It can be awoken by playing the [[Azure Flute]] at the peak of [[Mt. Coronet]]. Arceus appears in the [[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime|twelfth movie]].

===Other Pokémon of myth===
* '''{{p|Arcanine}}''''s [[species]] classification is ''Legendary''.
* The fierceness and destructive nature of '''{{p|Gyarados}}''' is described in the [[Pokédex]] as a thing of legend as is the seemingly complementary beauty and calming ability of '''{{p|Milotic}}'''.
* When facing '''{{p|Rotom}}''', the music is the same as when facing a legendary Pokémon. It, along with the legendary Giratina and Shaymin, has also received new forms in {{v2|Platinum}}.
* '''{{p|Unown}}''' are a mysterious species of Pokémon based on the Latin alphabet. [[Professor Oak]] referred to them as Legendary, probably because they were featured heavily in ancient myths and legends and because they can display large amounts of otherworldly power in swarms. Also, like legendaries, they cannot breed. In the anime, they appear to live in the [[Unown dimension|same dimension]] as Dialga and Palkia.
* The ''[[pseudo-legendary]]'', Dragon-like Pokémon '''{{p|Dragonite}}''', '''{{p|Tyranitar}}''', '''{{p|Salamence}}''' are usually placed within the "Legendary" section of a regional Pokédex, and are so extraordinarily rare and powerful that they are often mentioned in lists of Legendary Pokémon. '''{{p|Metagross}}''' and '''{{p|Garchomp}}''' are also considered "pseudo-legendary", due to their stats, and Metagross is even placed within the same section of the Hoenn Pokédex as Salamence.
* Like Arcanine, '''{{p|Ninetales}}''' is considered a Legendary Pokémon due to it being elusive, incredibly long-lived, and possessing the ability to cast powerful curses against anyone that touches its tails. This is specifically mentioned in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 1|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]].
* '''{{p|Lucario}}''' and its master [[Sir Aaron]] were forever revered because of their help pacifying an ancient battle, as seen in the eighth movie. In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, a Lucario was regarded as a legendary Rescue Team Leader in the distant past, and "Lucario Rank" is the highest attainable team rank in the game. Also, in the opening of the Diamond and Pearl theme song, {{p|Lucario}} appears beside {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}.
* '''{{p|Togepi}}''' and its evolutions are incredibly rare and bring joy wherever they go. In ''[[AG045|A Togepi Mirage!]]'' Togepi is referred to as a savior.
* The presence of '''{{p|Absol}}''' is a fabled warning of impending disaster.
* '''{{p|Spiritomb}}''' was formed by 108 spirits and is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] because of misdeeds 500 years ago.

==Trivia==
* In the games, there appears to only be one of every legendary Pokémon, but in the {{pkmn|anime}}, there is more than one of most legendaries.
* Battle themes are shared by related legendaries, while many [[legendary trios]] have a theme specific to themselves. Specifically:
**{{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} feature a theme specific to themselves in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, a remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto, as a reference to the fact that in [[Generation I]], there was only one battle theme for wild Pokémon, legendary or not. When they are encountered in {{game|Platinum}}, they use the standard wild legendary battle theme.
**{{p|Mewtwo}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, another remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto.
**{{p|Mew}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|Emerald}}, and despite being found in the wild ''only'' in a [[Hoenn]]-based game, it is yet another remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto.
**In {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} featured the standard wild Pokémon encounter music of [[Johto]], however, in {{game|Crystal}}, this was changed to a theme specific to themselves. When they are encountered in FireRed and LeafGreen, they use the standard legendary battle theme shared with the legendary birds.
**{{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, and {{p|Celebi}} have only featured the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation III]] when they are encountered. It was tuned up and reused when they are encountered in {{game|Platinum}}.
**{{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}} have only featured the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}} have a theme specific to themselves when encountered in [[Generation III]].
**{{p|Deoxys}} features a battle theme specific to itself when battled on [[Birth Island]], making it the first to share its theme with no other Pokémon.
**{{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Manaphy}}, and {{p|Phione}} have never appeared in battle as a wild Pokémon aside from [[cheating]].
**{{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered.
**{{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered.
**{{p|Giratina}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|Platinum}} when it is encountered.
**{{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Regigigas}}, {{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered. This theme is, strangely, shared with the non-legendary {{p|Rotom}}, and likewise is shared with {{p|Giratina}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
**{{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Cresselia}} use the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Arceus}}, perhaps fittingly, has its own theme shared with no others as well.
*Every generation has had at least one {{t|Psychic}}- and {{type2|Flying}} legendary (though in [[Generation IV]], {{p|Shaymin}} is only able to be part-Flying during the daytime, and {{p|Arceus}} is only Flying-type whilst holding the [[Sky Plate]]).

==Related articles==
*[[Event Pokémon]]
*[[Myths and legends involving legendary Pokémon]]
*[[Sinnoh myths]]
*[[History of the Pokémon world]]
*[[Pseudo-legendary]]

==External links==
*[http://www.dark-stars.net/Legend/ Legends of the Mon], the fanlisting for legendary Pokémon.

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==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course I notice that houses are bigger on the inside. I just figure that the character (and other characters) is smaller when outside than what the sprite suggests and its inside size is the 'true' size. Well, the game makers have been making mistakes for ages; shadows with no trees to cast them. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, I don't think this is an error, when I got Giratina in the Turnback Cave in Diamond, after I got back to its room, I found a Rare Bone, and when I picked it up the same thing happened, the "[PLAYER] received a Rare Bone" appears before the item disappeared. Maybe this isn't a "Cosmetic Error", it seems like its somehow linked to Giratina. [[User:Heaven Arceus|Heaven Arceus]] 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and I never said it wan't a color. If I did, I meant to get to the point that a lot of people don't consider it a color. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:To be specific, Platinum looks like a lighter shade of silver. Basically, officially, it's a color.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So why hasn't this been edited yet? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Altered Forme==

I request that all "Another Formes" on this page be replaced with "Altered Forme," as that is the official English name. Thank you. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:There ''are'' no instances of Another Forme on this page. Just checked. '''Edit:''' Ah. My mistake, they were previously changed. ''Merry Christmas from'' [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 20:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Europe Release 22 May 2009==

On the website Pokemon-France.com there is a possible Europe release date, 22 May 2009. This is not yet confirmed by Nintendo, but is likely to be the Europe release for Pokémon Platinum. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 10:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is it an official website?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's not an official Nintendo website, but Filb.de said, the source was reliable and believable. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm... It seems likely that it is. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Wait until we have a bit more information on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::HMV says it's in July [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::well turns out it is confirmed released in Europe 22 of May [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 15:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Development section ==

Sure we add a "Development" section devoted to the the stages of development and pre-release information, not just to this game page but to all the games?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The beta pages are there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmmm... That is true. But, unfortunately it was removed from the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum_beta&diff=prev&oldid=583965 some time ago]. It kinda started a bit of an edit war on the page.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Can we unprotect the page so people can edit the article, there is still a lot of stuff to be added, stuff that has been confirmed. But I can't add it cause it's blocked. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree. And someone needs to at the European release date, May 22, 2009.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, by now it should really be unprotected, I mean there's still a bit of info that needs to be added, yes, like the European release date. What admin can we get? I guess I'll put it in the page summary and if any admin sees this in recent changes, they'll hopefully check it out...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll BUMP it. Now its times like these I wish I was an admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a sigh... *SIGH*. When can we get it unprotected? Wait... if the admins think it should be protected until it comes out, we'll just have to live with that... I mean its just couple of edits and we're all mature people here, maybe an admin might put those edits on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 11:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe your right. Its just one date. They will come round with themselves soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's not just a date, what about renaming Wi-Fi Square and Battle Recorder to their official English names (Wi-Fi Plaza and Vs. Recorder, respectively)? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We're the main editing force, yet our right to edit is unfairly limited because of admins' fondness of protecting. And it's not always easy to find an admin online (especially if someone lives in Europe, just like me). There is NO REAL REASON to hold this page protected. I'm all for UNPROTECTING IT? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree. The article refers to [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] as Wi-Fi Square!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just calm down. They most likely have a good reason for keeping it protected. And if they don't, then it still isn't something to get angry about. Just wait. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::STFU! It IS something to be angry about! THERE IS NO FREAKIN' REASON TO KEEP THE PAGE PROTECTED ANYMORE! The admins just piss at us, so they don't unprotect the pages. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So, what time is it over in Europe. Its about 10:00pm here in Australia. We need an admin who lives in one of this countries to be on at this time because I have noticed the lack of admins on at this hour.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That means it's late and you're still not on bed. D: 7:00pm in our country. Since no admin around at this time, we should wait until someone wakes up to respond for this problem. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's currently 12 AM in my part of Europe. Yes, there's lack of admins here at this time and that's what annoys me. It's freakin' hard for me to catch an admin online, which stops me from editing really many pages. Another reason against that protect-mania among admins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
They should space out the admins. There's like a clump before and there isn't any now. lol. I should go to bed shouldn't I. Its a school night too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::First, take it to the forums. Second, I doubt you guys could become an admin any time soon. And if you did, you'd have to change your attitudes. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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The reason why it's staying protected until 3/22 is because people decide to jump the gun. We don't need that happening, we don't wanna waste edits to fix something that someone assumed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

People! I agree with TTE! Take this immature "discussion" to the forums! Plus, you shouldn't talk rudely about the admins. Its their choice and I will act maturely and respect that choice. When the time for unprotection will come, I know for one that it will be the right time, plus its the time it comes out in America. I trust the admins and I look up to them. So, everyone start acting mature.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so Maturity = Lickspittling! GTFO. I hate lickspittles. I still think that keeping the page protecting is just stupid. People jumping the gun? Come on, those are just n00bs. Experienced users know Bulbapedia's policies and rules and they know NOT TO jump the gun. Really, protecting pages for such reason is like... keeping a shop closed just because a thief may rob it while it's open. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Very well said, I'll keep this in mind ^^ hehe. though, one question, what is ''Lickspittling''? I can't find a translation/explanation... [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU, yeah YOU just don't get it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Stop. Like I said, it's no big deal, you got your reason, now leave it alone. They protect it from ''everybody'' so the new users don't feel like everybody's hating them. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email functions ==

On the Pokémon Platinum website, it doesn't have the email function appearently, just Wii message support. --[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I saw that in my game, too. Is there maybe a way to get past this?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprites ==

The article mistakenly informs that Platinum is the first game to have the Pokémon back sprites animated. It's untrue since that happens in every game since Emerald. Since the page is protected, a mod should correct it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're not the same kind of animation. In The other games, they just move back and forth or get bigger or something like that. In Platinum. They actually move. Such as Pikachu for example will move it's head to look behind it. Or Azumarril will do a little dance. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
'''True and False, I heard that Pokémon back sprites do what they do on the front. i don't know but i will find out.''' ''Anoritian''
::What Sketch has is correct. They have different BACK animation than before, not specifically different animation from when facing the player. There may be some similarities in both front and back animation, but it doesn't really matter to add that. "Their back sprites now animate much like their front sprites" is perfectly fine. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, now I understand. I didn't had the idea that I was talking about a different type of animation. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 22:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2008-12-25T03:42:03Z

Marlowe:

> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[H012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version

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== Error? ==

''"Giratina is the second dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its own types. The other one is [[Nincada]]."''
"'''''The other one is Nincada'''''" - This is incorrect because Nincada is not weak to [[Bug]] or [[Ground]].
Which Pokemon is actually waek to '''both of its types'''? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:None that I know of. The only types that are weak to themselves are ghost and dragon. I can't think of another combination with the same effect. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 18:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe somebody did just make an error... I might as well remove it then. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:If anything, I'd've thought it'd be {{p|Shedinja}}. Remember, to be weak to both of your own types means that one of the types could be weak to itself and the other type. The question is... what Pokémon could be weak to both of its own types? It doesn't seem like any of them could be. I mean, technically, {{p|Sableye}} and {{p|Spiritomb}} are weak to both {{t|Dark}} and {{t|Ghost}} on their Ghost-type, but their Dark-type covers both. So yeah, you're right. Until we get another Ghost/Dragon (which I hope is soon), we're not gonna have any Pokémon weak to their type twice. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I'm hoping to see a Psychic/Dark or Psychic/Ghost type Pokémon... think about it... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 21:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this dosen't fit with previous topics, but i'm worried there might be an error in my game. Is giratina supposed to dissapear if you make it faint?
:... uh, yeah. That's what the legendaries do. If you take them out, you just blew your chance and you'd better not have saved. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 15:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Devil? ==

How is giratina the devil of poke'mon? It just lives on an opposite side of the world. Plus I don't think the developers are aware of the body part thing. It is also irrelevant to the subject.--[[user:arceus fan|arceus fan]] [[image:ArceusDP.png|35px]] 21:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
: I agree. If no one objects, I will take it out now.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Whoever changed it back, don't do it again. Giratina is NOT the Devil Pokemon. Get over it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Fourth lake of Sinnoh ==

Can we be so sure that Giratina is really part of the [[Dragon trio]]? It makes sense if you think everything through, but I find it interesting that Giratina is found in a cave near the "fourth lake of Sinnoh". Can it be assumed that Giratina has ''some'' association with the [[Lake trio]], or is that simply too much of a stretch? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Arceus created Dialga/Palkia ''and'' the lake trio. It's not hard to see the link there. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
also they all have equal base stats just in a different order and the footprints all resemble crowns and it stars in a game along with them and they all rule over different universal planes time, space, and the reverse world but the reverse world could be a reality made by palkia so until they give the official word nobody knows

== H/W eight ==

The Height and Weight of Giratina's two forms are different. Should we place both of the weights and heights in the article (or in List of Articles by Weight or List of Articles by Height)?{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 18:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think we should put somthing in like this,
Origin Form Height: Blah
Another Form Height: Blah
Origin Form Weight: Blah
Another Form Weight: Blah
(of course replacing blahs with data)(i don't know how to do it)[[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Opal trademark ==

I know we've had this conversation already on the Gold/Silver remakes talk page, but does anyone KNOW for certain that Nintendo trademarked the name Pokémon Opal? As far as I know, nobody's had any luck confirming the DuskGold/DawnSilver trademarks, so how do we know this one is for real, too? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 07:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.pokemonopal.com proves this pretty well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely hard to argue with that. Thanks. [[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Couldn't someone have just bought the domain name and have it redirect to Nintendo?--[[User:Ocean2292|Ocean2292]] 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

According to serbii, it is Pokémon PLatium, and Grantia is the Verson Mascot, I don't like where this is going, can someone block the pages: GRantinia, SHaymin, Regigiggas, Verson Mascot and anything to do with this Pokémon Platium thing, I don't want false rumors Spreading. I guess I'll put a link: http://serebii.net/index2.shtml --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

: Platinum? That's a surprise, since that has nohing to do with a Diamond or a Pearl. Then again, Crystal didn't match Gold and silver, so... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 14:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Platinum actually does make some sense, though. Platinum in Japanese can be プラティナム ''puratinamu'', or more commonly, プラチナ ''purachina'' (keep in mind ''chi'' and ''ti'' are essentially interchangeable, at least prounounciation/romanization wise). Now, both words contain ''ratina'', just like ギラティナ ''Giratina''. Pu'''ratina'''mu/Pu'''ratina''', Gi'''ratina'''... Makes sense to me, anyway. Maybe even more than ''girasol''. Either way, though, Platinum is just a rumor for now. The only problem is that http://www.pokemonplatinum.com doesn't ridirect to Nintendo like http://www.pokemonopal.com does, although I'm sure that will change if the rumors are true. We'll see what happens in the next CoroCoro... [[User:Homerowed|Homerowed]] 05:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== !protectnao ==

Okay, with this ''unconfirmed'' Pokémon Platinum b/s being added to the page (Along with random "e"s added to everything), I request protection. <s>Else, I'll have to be adding my own fake stuff such as ''Lisae Franke Forme'' and the like. *runs*</s> [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
: The "random "e"s" are being added because that's how the Official stuff for the 11th movie names the forms of Giratina; if they use "Origine" and "Forme", ''that's because it's supposed to be like that'' and we're not to question it. Otherwise we would use "Tears for Fears" instead of "Tears For Fears!", for example. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.filb.de/content/scans/corocoro/2008-04/2.jpg
See it? '''ORIGINE FORME''', '''ANOTHER FORME'''. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, yeah. This is getting out of hand. Protect. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected, but the main reason actually WASN'T the excess E's. It was some bull**** unconfirmed report about a tie-in of its name to platnium based on unconfirmed rumors of the third to Diamond and Pearl being a Platnium (the chances of that being true are slim to none). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:Darling, they're all possibilities! I bet you weren't there when the name was conceived. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 18:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, I just hope they don't keep those stupid E's in English. Otherwise we'll have Deoxys Normale Forme, Attacke Forme, Defence Forme, and Speede Forme. Yes, Defence with a C. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Don't make me start the "sitting on Defence" jokes. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh? You have a problem with English spelling TTE? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]]
Yeah, we really have to get rid of the extra e's. This is english after all. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:Respectful disagreement. The [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/platinum/02.html Platinum website] uses "forme" as well, although it's reverted to "origin". Surely you've seen places that jokingly spell their names "ye olde shoppe," or something similar. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::But we don't know if NOA will go for the fake-Medieval feel. Until we get English confirmation, we should follow the precedent of Deoxys and use modern English. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::All right, that makes sense. But I think we should definitely at least mention the 'Forme' stuff in the trivia sections of this page and others it's relevant to. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Didn't anyone notice that this magazine used Shaymin's U.S. name in it? Wonder why... --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm trying to understand why people are having such a hard time accepting an official spelling. If the English game gets rid of the "ye olde" then we'll get rid of it then, but by "proper English" rationale we should be calling them "crabby" and "dugong". It's a stylized spelling like any ''Pokémon'' name.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any solving this civilly or simply through discussion. Therefore, I grudgingly <s>announce</s> propose a poll. That's right, a poll. I'm not going to really get into this aside from offering my opinion, and of course voting, but this seems to be a popular topic for discussion, so this page should see a lot of action in the next few hours/days. I'll add the poll momentarily to the bottom of the page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Oh boy. Check Deoxys on the official American Pokedex: http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp I'm afraid that That solves the question. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Good. There we go, folks. Discussion closed. Now, could somebody please protect this? I see no reason to encourage certain users by allowing them to continue ignoring the facts. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoot. That means we have to go around and edit all the {{p|Deoxys}} stuff so it says "forme," too. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Uraptu work for Pokemon.com or something? Unless Deoxys is somehow involved in movie 11, I see no reason why they've done that. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:My guess is because two common words like "Another" and "Form" are difficult to trademark together. It's why Hasbro released a toy called "Battle Ravage," because it was too hard to get a trademark on just {{wp|Ravage (Transformers)|Ravage}}, since it's such a common word. So "Another Forme," "Sky Forme," and "Defense Forme" are easier to trademark than they would be if they were spelled correctly. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 19:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:: So "Deoxys Normal Form" would be harder to trademark than "Deoxys Normal Forme"? "Deoxys" itself aint exactly a dictionary word.

:: Besides, wouldn't those four ''already'' be trademarked by now? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, it was only a guess. But "Deoxys" almost certainly wouldn't be part of the trademark. The bulbanews article mentioned that "Land form" and "Sky form" (or, as it now almost surely is, "Land Forme" and "Sky Forme") were trademarked without any Pokémon name, which is why we have to guess as to who it is. Origin and Another Formes were similarly free-floating trademarks, without "Giratina" anywhere in the title.
:::ANYWAY, it doesn't matter now. The E is in officially. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 22:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Quick thought: Has anybody checked the Japanese site's Pokedex lately? I wonder if the Japnese names for Deoxys's forms have changed as well... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Er, there's no English on the Japanese Pokédex.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think he was asking about the Japanese names themselves. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::...oh. He actually says that outright. Ahahaha. They use the obvious katakana spellings of "Normal," "Attack," "Defense," and "Speed," and the same katakana for "form(e)" as Giratina's (フォルム ''forumu'').--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::: So if that's their version, what's everyone else using as "form" (Burmy etc)? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

::Is there a specific reason why "Forme" was just recently changed to "Form"? I was under the impression that the former was the official spelling. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

To Cassius335: How the hell did you get Guillotine,Giraffe from Giratina?? Girasol and platina are the only words to make Giratina. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 11:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU FORCE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:You know, if it was based on that word, then it should learn the [[Guillotine (move)|move]]...Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:45 16 May 2008'''''

I think we have a clear verdict here.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:47 16 May 2008
:Hmm, Guillotine, Giratina. G<s>u</s>i'''ra'''<s>llo</s>tin<s>e</s>'''a'''. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:50 16 May 2008'''''

:: Hmmmmm. I do see how guillotine is part of the name, But why giraffe? [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 11:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
But why would Game Freak go through so much trouble of breaking down Guillotine and adding an 'a' to the end when the mascots of Diamond and Pearl are derived from there respective jewel, so obviously they would do similar with the third mascot hence Girasol and Platinum being in Giratina's name.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 20:04 16 May 2008
: Yes, we get the idea, I agree, You agree, everyone agrees, Damnit! [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 12:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
OK!I'm just making a point so that Cassius335 sees that he or she doesn't have to be perfect and that people get it wrong sometimes.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 20:09 16 May 2008

Girasol (hence the 'gira' part) + Platina (hence the 'tina' part) = Giratina!
:And do sign off, <s>b@$+@rd</s>...{{u|Tina}} could be also an origin, according to you. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:54 16 May 2008'''''

Sorry I forget sometimes.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:56 16 May 2008
:You attacked me personally. Now tell me, who's better at wikicode? TTE! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''12:11 16 May 2008'''''
:: You two knock it off! That is not the reason Bulbapedia is here for. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 12:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No Comment.[[User:Big Johnno|Big Johnno]] 20:16 16 May 2008

So it's named after a Jewel and a Metal? I'm leaning more towards '''Gira'''ffe, myself (look at the shape of Another Form).

And frankly "Don't argue with me because I just figured it out" did not inspire confidence. Bulbapedia needs facts, not opinions.

Best to leave the four as was until someone an actually provide a proper source. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be Protected due to the edits....... [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Next person to revert will be shot. Stop it, and we'll have a discussion here about it.
Personally I agree with Big Johnno, Giraffe has no place there. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 10:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? Where are the Girasols,then? All I'm asking for is something to back-up what otherwise is just Big Johnno's opinion, not a fact. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:'''Gira'''sol and Pla'''tina''' [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::OBVIOUSLY GIRATINA'S NAME ORIGIN IS FROM ME AND GIRASOL, BECAUSE I'M AWESOME.
::...I'm sorry. I needed to say something. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::: Did anyone force you to? --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::She meant it as a way of need to acknowledge herself in the discussion•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[:Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]]''' 23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well yeah and my inner troll told me to do so anyway. lol. Besides. It was asking for it. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Dang you must be ugly•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[:Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]]''' 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Girasol doesn't seem to fit. It did when we thought DPv3 would be called Opal, but now that it's being called Platinum, I doubt it. Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?
:::::::Also: Why hasn't this been protected yet? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: '''Gira'''sol...... --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 07:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Guillotine also would not fit, unless you are grasping at straws. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::If you're speaking in strict phonetic terms, then no. Although there is the whole R vs. L thing in Japanese... anyway, I'm thinking more along the lines of fitting thematically. Girasol doesn't work, unless they were planning to call it Opal and changed it to Platinum at the last minute to throw off everyone who had figured it out (doubtful if the -tina part really comes from Platina). And Guillotine does fit ''sort of'', but not quite as well as I'd like. Anyway, I do think Big Johnno's ideas for this have more grounding than Cassius's. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 08:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::: Big Johnno doesn't ''have'' any grounding. He just gave us his opinion with nothing to back it up. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]]

Ooo girare actually suits Giratina pretty good I mean like theres that saying the dead wander the earth forever or something simliar and Giratina is an undead Pokémon
: Glinn Mgraw said leave it alone--[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
: That means YOU too Big Johnno... [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Yes, but he's saying "leave it alone" ''after'' siding with Big Johnno and eliminating two. I say leave all possibilities in play until we can eliminate them with facts. "Girare" is an interesting one though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::Pulling this out of the text wall...

"Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?"

:: Giraffe's aren't supposed to have a second face on their tails either, and yet we have Girafarig. As for why Giratina doesn't learn Guillotine... no idea. Maybe the Japanese didn't make the connection. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe it's because Giratina doesn't come from Guillotine? SHOCK HORROR. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: Giratina phonetically is (roughly) Gir-ah-teen-ah. Knock off the second 'ah' and what do you get?

:::: Not saying anything for definite though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Mind if I jump in here? No? Tough. Cassius dude, tell me something, because I'm totally confused here - how the ''hell'' does Giratina resemble, or even RELATE to, a freaking guillotine?! Or a giraffe?! It's blatantly obvious to even the dumbest of people that Giratina comes from ''gira''sol and pla''tina''. Go and pick on some other Pokémon. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 13:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::: Try reading the page once in a while. As has already been pointed out, Girasol doesn't work any more (some people can't accept that the third game is '''not''' Pokémon Opal). Giraffe (I'm guessing) is because Giratina's a four-legged long necked creature (ok, six-legged, but still...). Guillotine as I mentioned ''in the post above yours'' is a phonetic soundalike.

::::: Neither of these are my theories, I'm just trying to stop people from jumping to conclusions without a shred of proof. Which, last I checked, we're not supposed to do. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yet you're doing the same thing. These ideas may not be yours, but your constantly re-adding them is the same as what Big Johnno's doing. I suggest we just put down ''all'' the ideas we've had so far and figure this out without an edit war going on. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::: Um... he's taking way, I'm restoring them. That's not quite the same thing.

::::::: And what's currently on the page ''is'' all of the idea's so far. That was kind of the point. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Aren't '''all''' name origins of Pokémon speculation and opinion? As far as I know, Nintendo has '''never''' came out and said, "This is where we got the name." And, while most are obvious, some are not. Just look at that section on {{P|Corphish}}. It's highly doubtful that its name comes from an obscure fishing term from the 1600s, but it's still mentioned on the page. I see no harm in keeping all possibilities, no matter how unlikely. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:You must draw a line in the sand at some point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 07:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::Did anyone mention girasol or something like that? Because it says girasol along with what you guys said earlier. Oh, and by the way? DEFINITELY NOT GIRAFFE. I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Really, it doesn't. Really. [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 06:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Forme Picture ==

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Giratina's origin forme art from Platinum, then the art from the anime?

Deoxys uses all of his Sugimori art on his page, and none of the other Pokémon have their anime art on their pages (besides screenshots).

So why was the other art gotten rid of from the page? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
: There's no point having two pictures of the same thing. --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::He was asking why we got rid of the Sugimori art and kept the anime art instead of the other way around, not why we didn't keep both. At any rate, I changed it after seeing his comment, so now we have the Sugimori art alone. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::where did we get the shiny origine sprite? '''[[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Talk]]-[[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|Contribs]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|Mudkipz]]''' 17:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Someone recoloured the normal sprite. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::and so it'll be changed again when the official sprite is released i presume. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Talk]]-[[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|Contribs]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|Mudkipz]]''' 17:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::If there's any real difference. Origin Forme Giratina has the same colors as Another Forme Giratina, so why would the shiny ones differ? It's the same as Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Because the real-deal is always superior in quality to the recolor.--[[User:Xparasite9|Xparasite9]] 03:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Protection request ==

A lot of people have making changes and undoing changes. I say we protect it for a while. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:You freakin want everything protected. But for this article, yea, me too•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny is near-perfect negative? ==

The article says that the shiny sprite is a near-perfect negative of the normal sprite.
I ask you, does the following look like the statement is true? the only thing that matches up are the red (blue) bands and wing-horns.
 
[[{{ns:6}}:Not-reverse-colors.PNG|Shiny Giratina is not a negative]]--[[User:Xparasite9|Xparasite9]] 03:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:I think what was really meant was "nearly opposite in color", regular has gold, shiny has silver, regular has silver, shiny has gold, regular has red, shiny has blue. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Lack of Land/Lowered Level ==

the lowered level seems to make sense because of the fact that he had just entered the dimension, which would theoretically weaken him. the lack of land seems to be either giratina floating in the air, a reflection of the fact that there is no land in the reverse world, or that he is still in the teleportation rift.

[[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== Tutor Moves ==

is there a platinum standard template that could be used for Giratina's tutored move, Draco Meteor?
[[User:Meman140|meman140]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Done and done. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Meman140|meman140]] 00:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Art in the infobox ==

I know with Deoxys we do the "standard forme" thing... but we have Wormadam with all three of her coats, same with Burmy, and Shellos and Gastrodon in both West and East Sea variations. I know that's how the Sugimori art came, but why the heck not combine the images into one, then put it in the infobox? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Doesn't Giratina have 3 Platinum sprites? 2 Origin and 1 Another. How will you place that? tc26 23:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:The game isn't even out yet!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Screenshots!! tc26 23:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I know but we're still thinking!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::And they may be more~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Well most likely there's only 1 Another and 1 Origin for Platinum, The Platinum Origin is likely a moving image~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The new shiny sprite is all wrong. One of its eyes is still red, and the body color wasn't even changed. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry about the recloration. I be someone would come along and fix it eventually if I don't have the time to. There is 1 another and 1 origin in platinum but 1 orign and 2 another in DP AND Platinum.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 05:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Oh! and, tc26, could you help buy making a transparent background for Giratina Origine forme? I have no idea how to do it. Thanks and sorry if I troubled you.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 05:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, later. i'm doing some things right now. I'll just make a new one since that one has several errors in coloring.tc26 06:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that it have to take the three sprites of Platinum, as the sprites of Deoxys in D/P --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 19:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Nevermind about the transparent background. I managed to do that this morning. But we still need to fix the shiny sprite.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 21:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::I already fixed it only the eye is a problem--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you serious? The forehead was silver. Some parts were red! The other eye was red! The shading wasn't exactly right. I uploaded my own now.tc26 11:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
http://www.serebii.net/platinum/pokemon/487-a.png
Where would this go in the sprite box? This is his older form in Platinum. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 18:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hey! That's what I asked yesterday! But apparently, they don't have table for both formes yet.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 21:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me try to add tables for ''both'' forms--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Are we sure that's just not a new second frame of animation for the sprite? All D/P sprites have two, but only the static image is used. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 22:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried adding the tables, but it wouldn't work. You'll have to make a new template for it. Try asking Shinigpikablu for help. He'll know what to do.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 23:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Shiny ==

Isn't that Shiny Origin Forme sprite a fan-colored estimation? Can someone rip and upload the ACTUAL Origin Forme Shiny Sprite, as there will certainly be some colour differences? I see Shiny Rotom Forms are already uploaded, so Shiny Origin Giratina wouldn't be a problem, would it? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:The official sprite is there now. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Pokédex ==

Well, I got the Platinum Pokédex entry, but I don't know how to read Hiragana:

あぱれものゆえおいだされたがわぶれたせかいといねれるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた.

So anyone can translate it? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::No one is on Bulbapdia at this moment...and the above sentece probably has an error, for it doesn't make any sense.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::It says something like, "Oh, Paremono Oidasa is just why I am not Bureta seka nereru." And then something about chanigng into origine form when...something...something.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::No. I'm sure it doesn't have any errors. But anyways... I think it's better to wait till we have an official translation... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay no thanks Babelfish. And no thanks typos on that Japanese right there. ("あ'''ば'''れものゆえおいだされたがやぶれたせかいとい'''わ'''れるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた。")
:::::Anyway, here's what I was able to come up with. I'd like someone to check it first because I feel a bit iffy about it, but, uh...who reads Japanese here besides me? Zhen? And waiting for the official translation is wise...anyway, the translation. "'''Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Torn World, from where it silently gazes upon our world.'''"--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::If we're to use the Japanese translations we should make sure we can tell they're just translations and not the official US text when Pt comes out here. Put a <code><nowiki>Ja</nowiki></code> in there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I heard the translation was "'''Although it is banished for being a tyrannian creature, it quietly watches our world from a place called the Torn World.'''" [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Just wait until the game comes out. Online Japanese translators are so full of mistakes. Ask the M3 translation. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 23:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It's translating from Japanese text. Obviously wording is going to differ between translations, m190049.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I used the Google translator and got "OIDASA PAREMONO is why I was NERERU BURETA place in the world and is based in the world peacefully and was expected." --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 21:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Never trust a Google Translator... At least, when translating more than a single word. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Capture video ==

It comes in from the top in that video... do they ''all'' do that, or just Giratina? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not only that... the player gets teleported to Turnback Cave after battling Giratina. I wonder what's inside there this time? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::A portal back to the Torn World. However only a small area is available. In there is the Platinum Orb, and literally nothing else.[[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::So can you ever go back to the Torn World afterward? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::You can never go back to the giant maze area you went through when you first entered the torn world from the events at the Spear Pillar. However, from Turnback Cave, you can go back to that smaller area, where the Platinum Orb is. After you get that... There is nothing else there. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Huh? But the place where the Platinum orb is looks like the area just before battling Giratina, plus an item ball. Is it really just that small area and nothing else? Poo. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::In that case, imma gonna explore that place fully before exiting!
:::::And think how much a Walk Through Walls code would screw up in the torn world with all those sideways platforms and stuff...'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 12:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

==Behavior==
Shouldn't we add Giratina is apparently very violent in behavior and protective of its home?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:The Pokédex in Platinum describes Giratina with a word to the effect of "violent" or "tyrannical", so I'd say yes.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it attacked Dialgia cause of the pollution. [[User:ArceusEX]]

== Animated sprite? ==

Well, I don't remember where, but... Is it ok if we update the sprites? I mean because someone said that Crystal and Emerald have their own set of animated sprites, and PNG animations doesn't look bad: [[Image:MGiratina.png]] '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-11-13T23:53:43Z

Marlowe: /* !protectnao */

== Error? ==

''"Giratina is the second dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its own types. The other one is [[Nincada]]."''
"'''''The other one is Nincada'''''" - This is incorrect because Nincada is not weak to [[Bug]] or [[Ground]].
Which Pokemon is actually waek to '''both of its types'''? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:None that I know of. The only types that are weak to themselves are ghost and dragon. I can't think of another combination with the same effect. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 18:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe somebody did just make an error... I might as well remove it then. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:If anything, I'd've thought it'd be {{p|Shedinja}}. Remember, to be weak to both of your own types means that one of the types could be weak to itself and the other type. The question is... what Pokémon could be weak to both of its own types? It doesn't seem like any of them could be. I mean, technically, {{p|Sableye}} and {{p|Spiritomb}} are weak to both {{t|Dark}} and {{t|Ghost}} on their Ghost-type, but their Dark-type covers both. So yeah, you're right. Until we get another Ghost/Dragon (which I hope is soon), we're not gonna have any Pokémon weak to their type twice. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I'm hoping to see a Psychic/Dark or Psychic/Ghost type Pokémon... think about it... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 21:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this dosen't fit with previous topics, but i'm worried there might be an error in my game. Is giratina supposed to dissapear if you make it faint?
:... uh, yeah. That's what the legendaries do. If you take them out, you just blew your chance and you'd better not have saved. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 15:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Devil? ==

How is giratina the devil of poke'mon? It just lives on an opposite side of the world. Plus I don't think the developers are aware of the body part thing. It is also irrelevant to the subject.--[[user:arceus fan|arceus fan]] [[image:ArceusDP.png|35px]] 21:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
: I agree. If no one objects, I will take it out now.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Whoever changed it back, don't do it again. Giratina is NOT the Devil Pokemon. Get over it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Fourth lake of Sinnoh ==

Can we be so sure that Giratina is really part of the [[Dragon trio]]? It makes sense if you think everything through, but I find it interesting that Giratina is found in a cave near the "fourth lake of Sinnoh". Can it be assumed that Giratina has ''some'' association with the [[Lake trio]], or is that simply too much of a stretch? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Arceus created Dialga/Palkia ''and'' the lake trio. It's not hard to see the link there. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
also they all have equal base stats just in a different order and the footprints all resemble crowns and it stars in a game along with them and they all rule over different universal planes time, space, and the reverse world but the reverse world could be a reality made by palkia so until they give the official word nobody knows

== H/W eight ==

The Height and Weight of Giratina's two forms are different. Should we place both of the weights and heights in the article (or in List of Articles by Weight or List of Articles by Height)?{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 18:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think we should put somthing in like this,
Origin Form Height: Blah
Another Form Height: Blah
Origin Form Weight: Blah
Another Form Weight: Blah
(of course replacing blahs with data)(i don't know how to do it)[[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Opal trademark ==

I know we've had this conversation already on the Gold/Silver remakes talk page, but does anyone KNOW for certain that Nintendo trademarked the name Pokémon Opal? As far as I know, nobody's had any luck confirming the DuskGold/DawnSilver trademarks, so how do we know this one is for real, too? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 07:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.pokemonopal.com proves this pretty well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely hard to argue with that. Thanks. [[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Couldn't someone have just bought the domain name and have it redirect to Nintendo?--[[User:Ocean2292|Ocean2292]] 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

According to serbii, it is Pokémon PLatium, and Grantia is the Verson Mascot, I don't like where this is going, can someone block the pages: GRantinia, SHaymin, Regigiggas, Verson Mascot and anything to do with this Pokémon Platium thing, I don't want false rumors Spreading. I guess I'll put a link: http://serebii.net/index2.shtml --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

: Platinum? That's a surprise, since that has nohing to do with a Diamond or a Pearl. Then again, Crystal didn't match Gold and silver, so... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 14:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Platinum actually does make some sense, though. Platinum in Japanese can be プラティナム ''puratinamu'', or more commonly, プラチナ ''purachina'' (keep in mind ''chi'' and ''ti'' are essentially interchangeable, at least prounounciation/romanization wise). Now, both words contain ''ratina'', just like ギラティナ ''Giratina''. Pu'''ratina'''mu/Pu'''ratina''', Gi'''ratina'''... Makes sense to me, anyway. Maybe even more than ''girasol''. Either way, though, Platinum is just a rumor for now. The only problem is that http://www.pokemonplatinum.com doesn't ridirect to Nintendo like http://www.pokemonopal.com does, although I'm sure that will change if the rumors are true. We'll see what happens in the next CoroCoro... [[User:Homerowed|Homerowed]] 05:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== !protectnao ==

Okay, with this ''unconfirmed'' Pokémon Platinum b/s being added to the page (Along with random "e"s added to everything), I request protection. <s>Else, I'll have to be adding my own fake stuff such as ''Lisae Franke Forme'' and the like. *runs*</s> [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
: The "random "e"s" are being added because that's how the Official stuff for the 11th movie names the forms of Giratina; if they use "Origine" and "Forme", ''that's because it's supposed to be like that'' and we're not to question it. Otherwise we would use "Tears for Fears" instead of "Tears For Fears!", for example. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.filb.de/content/scans/corocoro/2008-04/2.jpg
See it? '''ORIGINE FORME''', '''ANOTHER FORME'''. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, yeah. This is getting out of hand. Protect. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected, but the main reason actually WASN'T the excess E's. It was some bull**** unconfirmed report about a tie-in of its name to platnium based on unconfirmed rumors of the third to Diamond and Pearl being a Platnium (the chances of that being true are slim to none). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:Darling, they're all possibilities! I bet you weren't there when the name was conceived. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 18:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, I just hope they don't keep those stupid E's in English. Otherwise we'll have Deoxys Normale Forme, Attacke Forme, Defence Forme, and Speede Forme. Yes, Defence with a C. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Don't make me start the "sitting on Defence" jokes. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh? You have a problem with English spelling TTE? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]]
Yeah, we really have to get rid of the extra e's. This is english after all. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:Respectful disagreement. The [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/platinum/02.html Platinum website] uses "forme" as well, although it's reverted to "origin". Surely you've seen places that jokingly spell their names "ye olde shoppe," or something similar. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::But we don't know if NOA will go for the fake-Medieval feel. Until we get English confirmation, we should follow the precedent of Deoxys and use modern English. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::All right, that makes sense. But I think we should definitely at least mention the 'Forme' stuff in the trivia sections of this page and others it's relevant to. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Didn't anyone notice that this magazine used Shaymin's U.S. name in it? Wonder why... --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm trying to understand why people are having such a hard time accepting an official spelling. If the English game gets rid of the "ye olde" then we'll get rid of it then, but by "proper English" rationale we should be calling them "crabby" and "dugong". It's a stylized spelling like any ''Pokémon'' name.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any solving this civilly or simply through discussion. Therefore, I grudgingly <s>announce</s> propose a poll. That's right, a poll. I'm not going to really get into this aside from offering my opinion, and of course voting, but this seems to be a popular topic for discussion, so this page should see a lot of action in the next few hours/days. I'll add the poll momentarily to the bottom of the page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Oh boy. Check Deoxys on the official American Pokedex: http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp I'm afraid that That solves the question. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Good. There we go, folks. Discussion closed. Now, could somebody please protect this? I see no reason to encourage certain users by allowing them to continue ignoring the facts. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoot. That means we have to go around and edit all the {{p|Deoxys}} stuff so it says "forme," too. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Uraptu work for Pokemon.com or something? Unless Deoxys is somehow involved in movie 11, I see no reason why they've done that. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:My guess is because two common words like "Another" and "Form" are difficult to trademark together. It's why Hasbro released a toy called "Battle Ravage," because it was too hard to get a trademark on just {{wp|Ravage (Transformers)|Ravage}}, since it's such a common word. So "Another Forme," "Sky Forme," and "Defense Forme" are easier to trademark than they would be if they were spelled correctly. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 19:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:: So "Deoxys Normal Form" would be harder to trademark than "Deoxys Normal Forme"? "Deoxys" itself aint exactly a dictionary word.

:: Besides, wouldn't those four ''already'' be trademarked by now? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, it was only a guess. But "Deoxys" almost certainly wouldn't be part of the trademark. The bulbanews article mentioned that "Land form" and "Sky form" (or, as it now almost surely is, "Land Forme" and "Sky Forme") were trademarked without any Pokémon name, which is why we have to guess as to who it is. Origin and Another Formes were similarly free-floating trademarks, without "Giratina" anywhere in the title.
:::ANYWAY, it doesn't matter now. The E is in officially. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 22:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Quick thought: Has anybody checked the Japanese site's Pokedex lately? I wonder if the Japnese names for Deoxys's forms have changed as well... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Er, there's no English on the Japanese Pokédex.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think he was asking about the Japanese names themselves. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::...oh. He actually says that outright. Ahahaha. They use the obvious katakana spellings of "Normal," "Attack," "Defense," and "Speed," and the same katakana for "form(e)" as Giratina's (フォルム ''forumu'').--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::: So if that's their version, what's everyone else using as "form" (Burmy etc)? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

:Is there a specific reason why "Forme" was just recently changed to "Form"? I was under the impression that the former was the official spelling. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

To Cassius335: How the hell did you get Guillotine,Giraffe from Giratina?? Girasol and platina are the only words to make Giratina. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 11:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU FORCE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:You know, if it was based on that word, then it should learn the [[Guillotine (move)|move]]...Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:45 16 May 2008'''''

I think we have a clear verdict here.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:47 16 May 2008
:Hmm, Guillotine, Giratina. G<s>u</s>i'''ra'''<s>llo</s>tin<s>e</s>'''a'''. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:50 16 May 2008'''''

:: Hmmmmm. I do see how guillotine is part of the name, But why giraffe? [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 11:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
But why would Game Freak go through so much trouble of breaking down Guillotine and adding an 'a' to the end when the mascots of Diamond and Pearl are derived from there respective jewel, so obviously they would do similar with the third mascot hence Girasol and Platinum being in Giratina's name.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 20:04 16 May 2008
: Yes, we get the idea, I agree, You agree, everyone agrees, Damnit! [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 12:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
OK!I'm just making a point so that Cassius335 sees that he or she doesn't have to be perfect and that people get it wrong sometimes.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 20:09 16 May 2008

Girasol (hence the 'gira' part) + Platina (hence the 'tina' part) = Giratina!
:And do sign off, <s>b@$+@rd</s>...{{u|Tina}} could be also an origin, according to you. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:54 16 May 2008'''''

Sorry I forget sometimes.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:56 16 May 2008
:You attacked me personally. Now tell me, who's better at wikicode? TTE! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''12:11 16 May 2008'''''
:: You two knock it off! That is not the reason Bulbapedia is here for. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 12:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No Comment.[[User:Big Johnno|Big Johnno]] 20:16 16 May 2008

So it's named after a Jewel and a Metal? I'm leaning more towards '''Gira'''ffe, myself (look at the shape of Another Form).

And frankly "Don't argue with me because I just figured it out" did not inspire confidence. Bulbapedia needs facts, not opinions.

Best to leave the four as was until someone an actually provide a proper source. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be Protected due to the edits....... [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Next person to revert will be shot. Stop it, and we'll have a discussion here about it.
Personally I agree with Big Johnno, Giraffe has no place there. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 10:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? Where are the Girasols,then? All I'm asking for is something to back-up what otherwise is just Big Johnno's opinion, not a fact. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:'''Gira'''sol and Pla'''tina''' [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::OBVIOUSLY GIRATINA'S NAME ORIGIN IS FROM ME AND GIRASOL, BECAUSE I'M AWESOME.
::...I'm sorry. I needed to say something. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::: Did anyone force you to? --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::She meant it as a way of need to acknowledge herself in the discussion•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[:Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]]''' 23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well yeah and my inner troll told me to do so anyway. lol. Besides. It was asking for it. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Dang you must be ugly•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[:Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]]''' 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Girasol doesn't seem to fit. It did when we thought DPv3 would be called Opal, but now that it's being called Platinum, I doubt it. Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?
:::::::Also: Why hasn't this been protected yet? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: '''Gira'''sol...... --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 07:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Guillotine also would not fit, unless you are grasping at straws. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::If you're speaking in strict phonetic terms, then no. Although there is the whole R vs. L thing in Japanese... anyway, I'm thinking more along the lines of fitting thematically. Girasol doesn't work, unless they were planning to call it Opal and changed it to Platinum at the last minute to throw off everyone who had figured it out (doubtful if the -tina part really comes from Platina). And Guillotine does fit ''sort of'', but not quite as well as I'd like. Anyway, I do think Big Johnno's ideas for this have more grounding than Cassius's. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 08:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::: Big Johnno doesn't ''have'' any grounding. He just gave us his opinion with nothing to back it up. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]]

Ooo girare actually suits Giratina pretty good I mean like theres that saying the dead wander the earth forever or something simliar and Giratina is an undead Pokémon
: Glinn Mgraw said leave it alone--[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
: That means YOU too Big Johnno... [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Yes, but he's saying "leave it alone" ''after'' siding with Big Johnno and eliminating two. I say leave all possibilities in play until we can eliminate them with facts. "Girare" is an interesting one though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::Pulling this out of the text wall...

"Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?"

:: Giraffe's aren't supposed to have a second face on their tails either, and yet we have Girafarig. As for why Giratina doesn't learn Guillotine... no idea. Maybe the Japanese didn't make the connection. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe it's because Giratina doesn't come from Guillotine? SHOCK HORROR. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: Giratina phonetically is (roughly) Gir-ah-teen-ah. Knock off the second 'ah' and what do you get?

:::: Not saying anything for definite though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Mind if I jump in here? No? Tough. Cassius dude, tell me something, because I'm totally confused here - how the ''hell'' does Giratina resemble, or even RELATE to, a freaking guillotine?! Or a giraffe?! It's blatantly obvious to even the dumbest of people that Giratina comes from ''gira''sol and pla''tina''. Go and pick on some other Pokémon. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 13:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::: Try reading the page once in a while. As has already been pointed out, Girasol doesn't work any more (some people can't accept that the third game is '''not''' Pokémon Opal). Giraffe (I'm guessing) is because Giratina's a four-legged long necked creature (ok, six-legged, but still...). Guillotine as I mentioned ''in the post above yours'' is a phonetic soundalike.

::::: Neither of these are my theories, I'm just trying to stop people from jumping to conclusions without a shred of proof. Which, last I checked, we're not supposed to do. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yet you're doing the same thing. These ideas may not be yours, but your constantly re-adding them is the same as what Big Johnno's doing. I suggest we just put down ''all'' the ideas we've had so far and figure this out without an edit war going on. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::: Um... he's taking way, I'm restoring them. That's not quite the same thing.

::::::: And what's currently on the page ''is'' all of the idea's so far. That was kind of the point. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Aren't '''all''' name origins of Pokémon speculation and opinion? As far as I know, Nintendo has '''never''' came out and said, "This is where we got the name." And, while most are obvious, some are not. Just look at that section on {{P|Corphish}}. It's highly doubtful that its name comes from an obscure fishing term from the 1600s, but it's still mentioned on the page. I see no harm in keeping all possibilities, no matter how unlikely. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:You must draw a line in the sand at some point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 07:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::Did anyone mention girasol or something like that? Because it says girasol along with what you guys said earlier. Oh, and by the way? DEFINITELY NOT GIRAFFE. I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Really, it doesn't. Really. [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 06:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Forme Picture ==

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Giratina's origin forme art from Platinum, then the art from the anime?

Deoxys uses all of his Sugimori art on his page, and none of the other Pokémon have their anime art on their pages (besides screenshots).

So why was the other art gotten rid of from the page? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
: There's no point having two pictures of the same thing. --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::He was asking why we got rid of the Sugimori art and kept the anime art instead of the other way around, not why we didn't keep both. At any rate, I changed it after seeing his comment, so now we have the Sugimori art alone. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::where did we get the shiny origine sprite? '''[[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Talk]]-[[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|Contribs]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|Mudkipz]]''' 17:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Someone recoloured the normal sprite. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::and so it'll be changed again when the official sprite is released i presume. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Talk]]-[[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|Contribs]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|Mudkipz]]''' 17:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::If there's any real difference. Origin Forme Giratina has the same colors as Another Forme Giratina, so why would the shiny ones differ? It's the same as Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Because the real-deal is always superior in quality to the recolor.--[[User:Xparasite9|Xparasite9]] 03:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Protection request ==

A lot of people have making changes and undoing changes. I say we protect it for a while. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:You freakin want everything protected. But for this article, yea, me too•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny is near-perfect negative? ==

The article says that the shiny sprite is a near-perfect negative of the normal sprite.
I ask you, does the following look like the statement is true? the only thing that matches up are the red (blue) bands and wing-horns.
 
[[{{ns:6}}:Not-reverse-colors.PNG|Shiny Giratina is not a negative]]--[[User:Xparasite9|Xparasite9]] 03:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:I think what was really meant was "nearly opposite in color", regular has gold, shiny has silver, regular has silver, shiny has gold, regular has red, shiny has blue. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Lack of Land/Lowered Level ==

the lowered level seems to make sense because of the fact that he had just entered the dimension, which would theoretically weaken him. the lack of land seems to be either giratina floating in the air, a reflection of the fact that there is no land in the reverse world, or that he is still in the teleportation rift.

[[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== Tutor Moves ==

is there a platinum standard template that could be used for Giratina's tutored move, Draco Meteor?
[[User:Meman140|meman140]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Done and done. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Meman140|meman140]] 00:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Art in the infobox ==

I know with Deoxys we do the "standard forme" thing... but we have Wormadam with all three of her coats, same with Burmy, and Shellos and Gastrodon in both West and East Sea variations. I know that's how the Sugimori art came, but why the heck not combine the images into one, then put it in the infobox? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Doesn't Giratina have 3 Platinum sprites? 2 Origin and 1 Another. How will you place that? tc26 23:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:The game isn't even out yet!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Screenshots!! tc26 23:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I know but we're still thinking!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::And they may be more~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Well most likely there's only 1 Another and 1 Origin for Platinum, The Platinum Origin is likely a moving image~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The new shiny sprite is all wrong. One of its eyes is still red, and the body color wasn't even changed. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry about the recloration. I be someone would come along and fix it eventually if I don't have the time to. There is 1 another and 1 origin in platinum but 1 orign and 2 another in DP AND Platinum.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 05:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Oh! and, tc26, could you help buy making a transparent background for Giratina Origine forme? I have no idea how to do it. Thanks and sorry if I troubled you.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 05:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, later. i'm doing some things right now. I'll just make a new one since that one has several errors in coloring.tc26 06:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that it have to take the three sprites of Platinum, as the sprites of Deoxys in D/P --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 19:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Nevermind about the transparent background. I managed to do that this morning. But we still need to fix the shiny sprite.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 21:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::I already fixed it only the eye is a problem--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you serious? The forehead was silver. Some parts were red! The other eye was red! The shading wasn't exactly right. I uploaded my own now.tc26 11:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
http://www.serebii.net/platinum/pokemon/487-a.png
Where would this go in the sprite box? This is his older form in Platinum. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 18:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hey! That's what I asked yesterday! But apparently, they don't have table for both formes yet.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 21:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me try to add tables for ''both'' forms--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Are we sure that's just not a new second frame of animation for the sprite? All D/P sprites have two, but only the static image is used. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 22:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried adding the tables, but it wouldn't work. You'll have to make a new template for it. Try asking Shinigpikablu for help. He'll know what to do.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 23:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Shiny ==

Isn't that Shiny Origin Forme sprite a fan-colored estimation? Can someone rip and upload the ACTUAL Origin Forme Shiny Sprite, as there will certainly be some colour differences? I see Shiny Rotom Forms are already uploaded, so Shiny Origin Giratina wouldn't be a problem, would it? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:The official sprite is there now. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Pokédex ==

Well, I got the Platinum Pokédex entry, but I don't know how to read Hiragana:

あぱれものゆえおいだされたがわぶれたせかいといねれるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた.

So anyone can translate it? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::No one is on Bulbapdia at this moment...and the above sentece probably has an error, for it doesn't make any sense.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::It says something like, "Oh, Paremono Oidasa is just why I am not Bureta seka nereru." And then something about chanigng into origine form when...something...something.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::No. I'm sure it doesn't have any errors. But anyways... I think it's better to wait till we have an official translation... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay no thanks Babelfish. And no thanks typos on that Japanese right there. ("あ'''ば'''れものゆえおいだされたがやぶれたせかいとい'''わ'''れるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた。")
:::::Anyway, here's what I was able to come up with. I'd like someone to check it first because I feel a bit iffy about it, but, uh...who reads Japanese here besides me? Zhen? And waiting for the official translation is wise...anyway, the translation. "'''Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Torn World, from where it silently gazes upon our world.'''"--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::If we're to use the Japanese translations we should make sure we can tell they're just translations and not the official US text when Pt comes out here. Put a <code><nowiki>Ja</nowiki></code> in there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I heard the translation was "'''Although it is banished for being a tyrannian creature, it quietly watches our world from a place called the Torn World.'''" [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Just wait until the game comes out. Online Japanese translators are so full of mistakes. Ask the M3 translation. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 23:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It's translating from Japanese text. Obviously wording is going to differ between translations, m190049.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I used the Google translator and got "OIDASA PAREMONO is why I was NERERU BURETA place in the world and is based in the world peacefully and was expected." --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 21:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Never trust a Google Translator... At least, when translating more than a single word. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Capture video ==

It comes in from the top in that video... do they ''all'' do that, or just Giratina? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not only that... the player gets teleported to Turnback Cave after battling Giratina. I wonder what's inside there this time? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::A portal back to the Torn World. However only a small area is available. In there is the Platinum Orb, and literally nothing else.[[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::So can you ever go back to the Torn World afterward? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::You can never go back to the giant maze area you went through when you first entered the torn world from the events at the Spear Pillar. However, from Turnback Cave, you can go back to that smaller area, where the Platinum Orb is. After you get that... There is nothing else there. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Huh? But the place where the Platinum orb is looks like the area just before battling Giratina, plus an item ball. Is it really just that small area and nothing else? Poo. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::In that case, imma gonna explore that place fully before exiting!
:::::And think how much a Walk Through Walls code would screw up in the torn world with all those sideways platforms and stuff...'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 12:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

==Behavior==
Shouldn't we add Giratina is apparently very violent in behavior and protective of its home?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:The Pokédex in Platinum describes Giratina with a word to the effect of "violent" or "tyrannical", so I'd say yes.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it attacked Dialgia cause of the pollution. [[User:ArceusEX]]

== Animated sprite? ==

Well, I don't remember where, but... Is it ok if we update the sprites? I mean because someone said that Crystal and Emerald have their own set of animated sprites, and PNG animations doesn't look bad: [[Image:MGiratina.png]] '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Featured article candidate

2008-11-12T22:05:09Z

Marlowe: /* Support (14) */

====Support (16)====
* It's like the mascot of Bulbapedia. I think it should be an FA. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* It IS the mascot of Bulbapedia. Easily one of the best Pokémon pages. I've used it as an example for how other pages should be. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
*I support because it's the mascot well put and all the Pokémon pages use this--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 21:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
*I have some reservations about this, as most Pokémon pages are more or less the same, but this is certainly the best of them. If any Pokémon page deserves to be featured, it's this one. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 22:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
*If you see the talk, I wanted to nominate this myself, but didn't have the time. Bulbasaur is the example of what the Pokémon pages should look like, and is updated to new standards first. Glad to already see this much support for it! [[User:Theininen|Thein]][[User talk:Theininen|inen]] 02:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
*Easily one of the best Bulbapedia articles, and likely the best article about a Pokémon species. Exactly how an article should be written. [[User:Arceus548|Arceus548]] 17:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
*For all the reasons above. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 10:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
*it is the first pokemon of the national desk[[User:Dutch-pidgeot|Dutch-pidgeot]] 8:58, 6 september 2008 (UTC)
*The best Pokémon page ever made in Bulbapedia.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 13:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
*Yup. How it's not an FA but Brock/Poké Ball are baffles me.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 23:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
*Bulbasaur deserves it all for being our mascot.--[[User:Tavisource/Custom Sprite Project|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
*Bulbasaur should be a featured article cantidate it's the mascot of the website!--[[Mew (Pokémon)|M]][[User:MyUU|yU]][[User talk:MyUU|U]] 19:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's already a featured article ''candidate''. It's trying just to become a featured article.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 19:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
*True. Everything you've said is true. Still... it ''would'' get messy if we had to include more Pokémon articles here. In spite of that, since Bulbasaur ''is'' the example page for movesets and exemplifies how other articles about Pokémon should look like, I'll support it. ---[[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 12:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
*Probably the best article in a series of articles that are all decent anyway. The Pokédex project needs recognition and the article every improvement starts at is the best suited to do that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
*It is a very well put-together page and is about a Pokémon that is ''key'' in the history of Pokémon. [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 21:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
* This is a very well-written article, Bulbapedia's mascot, and the very first Pokémon of the National Dex. It should, without a doubt, be an FA. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 22:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

====Object (2)====
*I'm sure I'll be alone on this...but I think the first Pokémon ever created should be the FA. [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 12:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:um...meaning????--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 13:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::{{p|Mew}}!! [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 13:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::And I thought it was {{p|Arceus}}!--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 13:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::You think a Generation IV Pokémon was created before a Generation I Pokémon? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 14:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::You think that a certain {{p2|Pikachu|Generation 1}} Pokémon existed before a {{p2|Pichu|Generation 2}} Pokémon? If you don't think it existed, then I can think that the Gen 4 Pokémon existed before the Gen 1 Pokémon.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 10:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::And if you want it so bad and it's good enough, just nominate it! Both of you! (But only if you actually think it is worth nominating) [[User:Theininen|Thein]][[User talk:Theininen|inen]] 01:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Mew is the first Pokémon that was created by the series' creator. I think that's what he means.[[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 02:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Ash zane, [[History of the Pokémon world]] says that {{p|Arceus}} came before {{p|Mew}}. Just FYI.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 20:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:What [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] said. I mean the first Pokémon that [[Satoshi Tajiri]] created. He was even trademarked before before the term 'Pocket Monsters'. [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 07:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::I agree with Kkllnn Arceus '''created''' the Universe- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] ([[User talk:Ultamatecharizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ultamatecharizard|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::I swear I heard somewhere [[Rhyhorn]] was the first Pokémon, which is they they made it's National Dex. No. 111... Or something like that. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::::This is a really interesting discussion but doesn't have much to do with the issue at hand. Featured articles are based on quality, not notority. Bulbasaur is one of our best species articles but feel free to make any of the others shine. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
*I'm against! The article has more or less the same amount of info that every Pokémon article has. I think articles on the Pokémon (the creatures) SHALL NOT be nominated to Featured Articles. They're all equally long because there is much to write about certain Pokémon. This article's info is TOO OBVIOUS to be make a good nominee. If Bulbasaur really deserves the nomination, then so do remaining 492 kinds of Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Too obvious? Isn't the content of every article obvious? Plus, we have the biology section to set us apart from other sites and Bulbasaur has a good one. Nor is length an issue - read the description at the top. And honestly, I don't see why we can't feature every species article if they are good enough. (Which they aren't at the moment so the point is moot.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes. Too obvious. My ideal of a Featured Article is a long, informative article which can bring knowledge about something which NOT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT! This article is just long. It has all those infoboxes, sprites, tables etc. but I'm not sure if it's unique enough to be nominated. It's one of 493 Pokemon and all of them are equally good. A FA should be UNIQUE. And I don't see anything extraordinary in this article. At all. The biology section is nothing interesting or canonnical. Just obvious facts with a little bit of fanfiction (and random observations, which I hate). That's not an extraordinarity. I hope you understand my point and respect it. I'm really sick of that "you don't agree with majority, so I must argue with you" which everyone here seems to have. I'm against the nomination, I have strong arguments and that's my thing. I just hope that someone else agrees with my point. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

====Other comments====
Hmm, how come? If we add this to the featured articles, shouldn't we be adding other Pokémon pages to the nominations? Wala lang, I think it might get cluttery if that's the case. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 11:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:Bulbasaur is the article that sets the standard. Plus, I'd say we at least need a decent biology section before any of them are nominated and few pass there. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Featured article candidate

2008-11-12T22:04:05Z

Marlowe:

====Support (14)====
* It's like the mascot of Bulbapedia. I think it should be an FA. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* It IS the mascot of Bulbapedia. Easily one of the best Pokémon pages. I've used it as an example for how other pages should be. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
*I support because it's the mascot well put and all the Pokémon pages use this--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 21:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
*I have some reservations about this, as most Pokémon pages are more or less the same, but this is certainly the best of them. If any Pokémon page deserves to be featured, it's this one. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 22:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
*If you see the talk, I wanted to nominate this myself, but didn't have the time. Bulbasaur is the example of what the Pokémon pages should look like, and is updated to new standards first. Glad to already see this much support for it! [[User:Theininen|Thein]][[User talk:Theininen|inen]] 02:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
*Easily one of the best Bulbapedia articles, and likely the best article about a Pokémon species. Exactly how an article should be written. [[User:Arceus548|Arceus548]] 17:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
*For all the reasons above. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 10:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
*it is the first pokemon of the national desk[[User:Dutch-pidgeot|Dutch-pidgeot]] 8:58, 6 september 2008 (UTC)
*The best Pokémon page ever made in Bulbapedia.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 13:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
*Yup. How it's not an FA but Brock/Poké Ball are baffles me.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 23:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
*Bulbasaur deserves it all for being our mascot.--[[User:Tavisource/Custom Sprite Project|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
*Bulbasaur should be a featured article cantidate it's the mascot of the website!--[[Mew (Pokémon)|M]][[User:MyUU|yU]][[User talk:MyUU|U]] 19:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's already a featured article ''candidate''. It's trying just to become a featured article.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 19:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
*True. Everything you've said is true. Still... it ''would'' get messy if we had to include more Pokémon articles here. In spite of that, since Bulbasaur ''is'' the example page for movesets and exemplifies how other articles about Pokémon should look like, I'll support it. ---[[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 12:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
*Probably the best article in a series of articles that are all decent anyway. The Pokédex project needs recognition and the article every improvement starts at is the best suited to do that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
*It is a very well put-together page and is about a Pokémon that is ''key'' in the history of Pokémon. [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 21:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
* This is a very well-written article, Bulbapedia's mascot, and the very first Pokémon of the National Dex. It should, without a doubt, be an FA. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 22:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

====Object (2)====
*I'm sure I'll be alone on this...but I think the first Pokémon ever created should be the FA. [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 12:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:um...meaning????--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 13:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::{{p|Mew}}!! [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 13:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::And I thought it was {{p|Arceus}}!--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 13:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::You think a Generation IV Pokémon was created before a Generation I Pokémon? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 14:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::You think that a certain {{p2|Pikachu|Generation 1}} Pokémon existed before a {{p2|Pichu|Generation 2}} Pokémon? If you don't think it existed, then I can think that the Gen 4 Pokémon existed before the Gen 1 Pokémon.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]] 10:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::And if you want it so bad and it's good enough, just nominate it! Both of you! (But only if you actually think it is worth nominating) [[User:Theininen|Thein]][[User talk:Theininen|inen]] 01:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Mew is the first Pokémon that was created by the series' creator. I think that's what he means.[[User:Spatula|Spatula]] 02:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Ash zane, [[History of the Pokémon world]] says that {{p|Arceus}} came before {{p|Mew}}. Just FYI.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 20:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:What [[User:Spatula|Spatula]] said. I mean the first Pokémon that [[Satoshi Tajiri]] created. He was even trademarked before before the term 'Pocket Monsters'. [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 07:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::I agree with Kkllnn Arceus '''created''' the Universe- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] ([[User talk:Ultamatecharizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ultamatecharizard|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::I swear I heard somewhere [[Rhyhorn]] was the first Pokémon, which is they they made it's National Dex. No. 111... Or something like that. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::::This is a really interesting discussion but doesn't have much to do with the issue at hand. Featured articles are based on quality, not notority. Bulbasaur is one of our best species articles but feel free to make any of the others shine. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
*I'm against! The article has more or less the same amount of info that every Pokémon article has. I think articles on the Pokémon (the creatures) SHALL NOT be nominated to Featured Articles. They're all equally long because there is much to write about certain Pokémon. This article's info is TOO OBVIOUS to be make a good nominee. If Bulbasaur really deserves the nomination, then so do remaining 492 kinds of Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Too obvious? Isn't the content of every article obvious? Plus, we have the biology section to set us apart from other sites and Bulbasaur has a good one. Nor is length an issue - read the description at the top. And honestly, I don't see why we can't feature every species article if they are good enough. (Which they aren't at the moment so the point is moot.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes. Too obvious. My ideal of a Featured Article is a long, informative article which can bring knowledge about something which NOT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT! This article is just long. It has all those infoboxes, sprites, tables etc. but I'm not sure if it's unique enough to be nominated. It's one of 493 Pokemon and all of them are equally good. A FA should be UNIQUE. And I don't see anything extraordinary in this article. At all. The biology section is nothing interesting or canonnical. Just obvious facts with a little bit of fanfiction (and random observations, which I hate). That's not an extraordinarity. I hope you understand my point and respect it. I'm really sick of that "you don't agree with majority, so I must argue with you" which everyone here seems to have. I'm against the nomination, I have strong arguments and that's my thing. I just hope that someone else agrees with my point. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

====Other comments====
Hmm, how come? If we add this to the featured articles, shouldn't we be adding other Pokémon pages to the nominations? Wala lang, I think it might get cluttery if that's the case. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 11:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:Bulbasaur is the article that sets the standard. Plus, I'd say we at least need a decent biology section before any of them are nominated and few pass there. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:MissingNo./Featured article candidate/Nomination 1

2008-11-12T20:06:34Z

Marlowe: /* Support (8) */

====Support (8)====
* This has got to be the most comprehensive, complete, and informative Glitch Pokémon Bulbapedia has to offer. Surely a precendent to be set for all the stub-esque Glitch Pokémon articles with little more than an infobox, vague information, and MAYBE a learneset. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 15:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
* I agree with Missingno. Master. <strike>That, and i love Missingno., awesome Glitch.</strike> [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 15:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
*Very detailed, very self-explanatory. I nominate. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:49 6 Sep 2008'''''
* I AGREE [[User:Cal05000|cal05000]] 07:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
* I Agree [[User:Theininen|Thein]][[User talk:Theininen|inen]] 20:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
* MissingNo. was one of the most significant elements of Pokémon in the early days of Red/Blue in America. I believe that information on Ketsuban and how it was viewed in the Japanese perspective are the main missing information that would make said article perfect. Despite this however, MissingNo.'s significance far outweighs any other game element, at least to the players of Red/Blue; I highly doubt that there is anyone who played Red/Blue who knew not of MissingNo. at some point or another, though the truth about MissingNo. is still largely unknown to the general populace, and it is still looked down upon for the deeds of its fellows such as chiisai-u and 'm. For it's importance in the Rare Candy Code, it's reappearance in the Mew Glitch, and its infamous nature to Red/Blue players, MissingNo. is the ONLY Glitch Pokémon notable enough to be featured. And it IS notable, and worthy of being a Feature Article. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
* MISSINGNO. was the ''original'' OG, and not FA'ing his/her/its/your mom's article is a major disservice what could quickly dissolve into a riot. [[User:Missingno000|欠番]] 18:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
* Not only is this article the most detailed Glitch Pokémon article (in my opinion), it is also one of the most detailed articles of all. I greatly support the idea of this being a featured article. [[User:ZanderX|Zan]][[User talk:ZanderX|der]][[Special:Contributions/ZanderX|X]] 08:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
* Very detailed and very bright, I think that this article represents what we are looking for at Bulbapedia.--[[Smartkidhen]] 2:54 12 November 2008 (UTC)
* While I don't classify Missingno as an actual Pokémon (I can't see why anyone would), it is indeed the most noteworthy glitch in the history of the series and has a fantastic, thoroughly detailed article. Agreed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

====Object (5)====
*Glitchs are really are things Nintendo doesn't approve of. I personally think the article is good, but not enough for a FA. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]]
:Ah, but Nintendo doesn't run Bulbapedia, does it? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 02:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
*Biology and Physiology sections indicate this is a living thing in-universe. Those bits should be renamed to reflect Missingno.'s nature. Other than that, it's actually a pretty good article. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 08:43, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
*I am quite sure that we should not have a ''fake'' Pokémon's article on our mainpage.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]]'''[[User talk:Diby|by]] 08:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
*Sorry I agree with Diby. Pokemonboy 08:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no. Pikablu is a fake Pokémon. Mewthree is a fake Pokémon. But Missingno..... He's real, whether Nintendo likes it or not. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 10:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
::Missingno. has a huge place in Pokémon history. Worthiness shouldn't even be in question here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
*It's the best glitch related article in Bulbapedia, but I don't think it should be a FA. [[User: Dialgalover]]

====Other comments====

Talk:Dark (type)

2008-11-12T19:58:49Z

Marlowe: /* The Implication of Dark */