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Red (game)

2011-02-20T17:01:48Z

Manomow: Got rid of poorly made hgss red at the very bottom of page

{{CharInfobox|
color={{red color}} |
corecolor={{red color light}} |
bordercolor={{red color dark}} |
name=Red |
jname=レッド |
tmname=Red |
slogan=no |
image=FireRed LeafGreen Red.png |
size=155px |
caption=Art from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen |
gender=Male |
age=11 (RGBY, FR&LG), 13 (GSC, HG&SS) |
hometown=[[Pallet Town]] |
region=[[Kanto]] |
relatives=Mother |
trainer=yes |
colors=no |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Player character]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|I}}, {{gen|II}}, {{gen|III}}, {{gen|IV}} |
games={{game3|Red and Blue|Red, Green, Blue|s}} & {{v2|Yellow}} {{game3|Gold and Silver|Gold, Silver |s}} & {{v2|Crystal}} {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|FireRed, LeafGreen|s}} {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold, SoulSilver|s}} {{jap|Pokémon Stadium}}, {{pkmn|Stadium 2}} |
leader=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart=[[Ash Ketchum]] |
epnum=EP001|
epname=Pokémon - I Choose You!|
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Red}} |
roundnum=PS001|
roundname=A Glimpse of the Glow! |
}}
'''Red''' (Japanese: '''レッド''' ''Red'') is the [[canon]] name of the {{player|player character}} in the [[Generation I]] games {{game4|Red|Green|Blue|Yellow}} and the male choice in their [[Generation III]] remakes {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, where his female counterpart is {{ga|Leaf}}.

Red is known throughout [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] as the {{pkmn|Champion}} from [[Pallet Town]], as well as for his defeat of [[Team Rocket]] in Kanto during his quest. He is the final opponent in the [[Generation II]] games {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, their [[Generation IV]] remakes {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, and {{g|Stadium 2}}.

==In the games==
[[File:Red Green Red.png|thumb|200px|left|Official art of Red from Generation I]]
Red is introduced as a curious 10-year-old boy from [[Pallet Town]] in the instruction manuals of Red, Green, and Blue, having gained an interest in Pokémon after his best friend, {{ga|Blue}}, stopped playing with him and became a bully. His adventure begins one day when [[Professor Oak]] calls the two to his lab for a choice of a [[starter Pokémon]], the last three Pokémon Oak owns. Blue challenges Red to a battle immediately, to test out his new Pokémon, thinking he will easily beat Red.

After Red has journeyed to [[Viridian City]] to the north and taken [[Oak's Parcel|a package]] back to Oak in Pallet, Oak gives Red and Blue each a [[Pokédex]] with which to record data on all known Pokémon in the Kanto region. From here, Red and Blue journey across Kanto, collecting Pokémon to build up their teams, and defeating each of the [[Gym Leader]]s in turn, with Blue always one step ahead, showing up from time to time to impede Red's progress.
Red also comes across a gang of Pokémon thieves, [[Team Rocket]], several times through his journey, defeating a group of {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s who are trying to steal [[fossil]]s from [[Mt. Moon]], a member who is running the [[Nugget Bridge]] challenge to recruit for the organization on {{rt|24|Kanto}}, and another lone member who has stolen a [[TM]] from a family in [[Cerulean City]]. Eventually, Red uncovers a plot by Team Rocket, infiltrating their [[Rocket Hideout|hideout]] beneath the [[Celadon Game Corner]] and encountering their boss, [[Giovanni]]. Defeating him and ousting Team Rocket from Celadon, Red uses the [[Silph Scope]] that Giovanni leaves behind to battle {{type2|Ghost}} Pokémon and save [[Mr. Fuji]] in the [[Pokémon Tower]] in [[Lavender Town]], who is being held hostage by a trio of Grunts. Red soon journeys into Saffron City in the heart of Kanto to find it overrun by Team Rocket, who is attempting to take the recently-invented [[Master Ball]] from the [[Silph Co.]] President, and defeats Giovanni again, ending the group's plots for the time being.

With seven badges in hand, Red encounters Giovanni for the final time—this time as the [[Gym Leader|Leader]] of the [[Viridian Gym]], his final obstacle before the [[Elite Four]] of the [[Indigo Plateau]]. Red defeats him in battle, earning his eighth and final badge—the {{badge|Earth}}—and causing Giovanni to realize that he has no chance at reviving Team Rocket if he cannot defeat Red. He disbands the organization, promising to go into solo training to better himself.

Making it through {{ka|Victory Road}} and finally to the Indigo Plateau, Red defeats the Elite Four and discovers, to his surprise, that Blue has defeated them before him and is the {{pkmn|Champion}}. Red defeats Blue in the final battle, becoming the Champion himself, but then continues his training, rather than staying at the Indigo Plateau. Encountering an offshoot of Team Rocket in the southern [[Sevii Islands]], Red reveals with his Earth Badge that Giovanni has disbanded the organization, and though defeated the group there intends to revive Team Rocket and bring Giovanni back, having already made plans to force Pokémon to evolve with radio waves. Red continues as a wandering Trainer, eventually making his way to the caves of [[Mt. Silver]], where he trains his Pokémon alone.

Eventually, {{ga|Ethan}}, {{ga|Kris}}, or {{ga|Lyra}} arrives at Mt. Silver and challenges Red, identified only as a [[Pokémon Trainer]]. Red vanishes from Mt. Silver, and returns every time the Elite Four is defeated again by the player of Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, or SoulSilver.

===Pokémon===
As the player character, Red can have on his team any of the 151 Pokémon available during [[Generation I]]. In [[Generation III]], he can have any of the 386 Pokémon available at that time, though only after the player has obtained the [[National Pokédex]].

When he is encountered as an opponent in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]], Red has a set team, based on Generation I in-game event Pokémon, and has the highest leveled Pokémon yet encountered in the series, with his {{p|Pikachu}} at level 81 in Generation II and at level 88 in Generation IV.

===={{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
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|move3type=Water
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|move4type=Water}}
}}

===={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}====
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|bordercolor={{red color dark}}
|headcolor={{red color light}}
|sprite=RedHGSS.gif
|prize={{Pdollar}}16,800
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|name=Red
|game=HGSS
|location=Mt. Silver
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|ndex=025
|pokemon=Pikachu
|gender=male
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|ability=Static
|held=Light Ball
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|move1=Volt Tackle
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|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Thunderbolt
|move4type=Electric
|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=131
|pokemon=Lapras
|gender=male
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|type1=Water
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|ability=Shell Armor
|level=80
|move1=Blizzard
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|move2=Brine
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|move2cat=Special
|move3=Psychic
|move3type=Psychic
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Body Slam
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|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|gender=male
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|type1=Normal
|ability=Thick Fat
|level=82
|move1=Blizzard
|move1type=Ice
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|move2=Shadow Ball
|move2type=Ghost
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Crunch
|move3type=Dark
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Giga Impact
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=003
|pokemon=Venusaur
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Overgrow
|level=84
|move1=Sleep Powder
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|move2=Giga Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Sludge Bomb
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|move3cat=Special
|move4=Frenzy Plant
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=006
|pokemon=Charizard
|gender=male
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|type1=Fire
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|ability=Blaze
|level=84
|move1=Flare Blitz
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|move2=Air Slash
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|move3=Dragon Pulse
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|move4=Blast Burn
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=009
|pokemon=Blastoise
|gender=male
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|level=84
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|move3=Flash Cannon
|move3type=Steel
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hydro Cannon
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special}}
}}

===={{g|Stadium 2}}====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{red color}}
|headcolor={{red color light}}
|bordercolor={{red color dark}}
|sprite=S2_Pokémon_Trainer_Red.png‎
|prize=N/A
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Red
|game=Pokémon Stadium 2
|location=Mt. Silver
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=154 f
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=female
|level=50
|held=Mint Berry
|type1=Grass
|move1=Razor Leaf
|move1type=Grass
|move2=Body Slam
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Giga Drain
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Synthesis
|move4type=Grass}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=160
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=Miracleberry
|type1=Water
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Blizzard
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Bite
|move4type=Dark}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=157
|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=Focus Band
|type1=Fire
|move1=Flamethrower
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move3=ThunderPunch
|move3type=Electric
|move4=Dig
|move4type=Ground}}
||pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=135
|pokemon=Jolteon
|gender=female
|level=50
|held=King's Rock
|type1=Electric
|move1=Thunder
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Bite
|move2type=Dark
|move3=Thunder Wave
|move3type=Electric
|move4=Quick Attack
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=212
|pokemon=Scizor
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=Quick Claw
|type1=Bug
|type2=Steel
|move1=Metal Claw
|move1type=Steel
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Sleep Talk
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=128
|pokemon=Tauros
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=Scope Lens
|type1=Normal
|move1=Headbutt
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move3=Iron Tail
|move3type=Steel
|move4=Hyper Beam
|move4type=Normal}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{red color}}
|headcolor={{red color light}}
|bordercolor={{red color dark}}
|sprite=S2_Pokémon_Trainer_Red.png‎
|prize=N/A
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Red
|game=Pokémon Stadium 2
|location=Mt. Silver
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=243
|pokemon=Raikou
|level=50
|held=Focus Band
|type1=Electric
|move1=Thunderbolt
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Bite
|move2type=Dark
|move3=Iron Tail
|move3type=Steel
|move4=Hidden Power
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=244
|pokemon=Entei
|level=50
|held=Scope Lens
|type1=Fire
|move1=Fire Blast
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Bite
|move2type=Dark
|move3=Iron Tail
|move3type=Steel
|move4=Hidden Power
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=245
|pokemon=Suicune
|level=50
|held=BrightPowder
|type1=Water
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move2=Ice Beam
|move2type=Ice
|move3=Roar
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hidden Power
|move4type=Normal}}
||pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=149
|pokemon=Dragonite
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=Miracle Berry
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Flying
|move1=Fly
|move1type=Flying
|move2=Body Slam
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Thunder Wave
|move3type=Electric
|move4=Hidden Power
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=Quick Claw
|type1=Normal
|move1=Body Slam
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move3=Shadow Ball
|move3type=Ghost
|move4=Hidden Power
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=196
|pokemon=Espeon
|gender=male
|level=50
|held=King's Rock
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psychic
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Bite
|move2type=Dark
|move3=Reflect
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Hidden Power
|move4type=Normal}}
}}

==Sprites==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Red color dark}}; background: #{{Red color}};"
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[Image:Red.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[Image:RB Red.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:Red_RG2.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:Redback.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:RedRGBwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:Y Red.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:Y Red Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:RedYwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:GSC Trainer Red.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Red sprite from {{color2|000|Generation I}}
| Title screen sprite from {{color2|000|Generation I}} ({{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Worldwide}}, {{color2|000|Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|JP Blue}})
| Title screen sprite from {{color2|000|Generation I}} ({{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|JP Red and Green}})
| Red backsprite from {{color2|000|Generation I}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Green|Red, Green}} and {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue|Blue}}
| Red sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Pokémon Yellow}}
| Red backsprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Pokémon Yellow}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Pokémon Yellow}}
| Red sprite from {{color2|000|Generation II}}
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[Image:FRLG Red Intro.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[Image:FRRed.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:FRLG_Red_Back.png‎]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:RedFRLGwalkdown.png‎]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:PKMN_Trainer_RED.gif]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:Colo Red.png|60px]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:XD Red.png|80px]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:RedHGSS.gif]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"|
[[Image:Redwalkdown.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Intro sprite from {{color2|000|Generation III}}
| Red sprite from {{color2|000|Generation III}}
| Red backsprite from {{color2|000|Generation III}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Generation III}}
| Red credits sprite from {{color2|000|Generation III}}
| Red model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Colosseum|Colosseum}}
| Red's headshot from {{color2|000|Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|Pokémon XD}}
| Red sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
|}
 

==Optional names for Red==
{| class="expandable" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{red color}};"
! Language !! Red !! Green !! Blue !! Yellow !! FireRed/LeafGreen
|-
|| English
||
* Red
* {{Ash}}
* Jack
||
||
* Blue
* Gary
* John
||
* Yellow
* Ash
* Jack
||
{|
|-
|
* Red
* Fire
* Green
* Leaf
|
* Ash
* Gary
* Geki
* Hiro
|
* Jak
* Janne
* Jon
* Jonn
|
* Kamon
* Karl
* Kay
* Kaz
|
* Kene
* Max
* Oscar
* Ralph
|
* Roak
* Toru
* Taylor
* Tosh
|}
|-
|| Japanese
||
* レッド ''Red''
* サトシ ''Satoshi''
* ジャック ''Jack''
||
* グリーン ''Green''
* シゲル ''Shigeru''
* ジョン ''John''
||
* ブルー ''Blue''
* ツネカズ ''Tsunekaz''
* ジャン ''Jean''
||
* イエロー ''Yellow''
* サトシ ''Satoshi''
* ジャック ''Jack''
||
{|
|-
|
* ファイア ''Fire''
* レッド ''Red''
* リーフ ''Leaf''
* グリーン ''Green''
* カモン ''Kamon''
* ケイ ''Kei''
* ケン ''Ken''
* サトシ ''Satoshi''
|
* サトル ''Satoru''
* シゲキ ''Shigeki''
* シゲル ''Shigeru''
* ジャック ''Jack''
* ジャン ''Jean''
* ジョン ''John''
* タカオ ''Takao''
* タカシ ''Takashi''
|
* タケヒロ ''Takehiro''
* ツネカズ ''Tsunekaz''
* テツオ ''Tetsuo''
* トオル ''Tōru''
* ヒトシ ''Hitoshi''
* ヒロアキ ''Hiroaki''
* ヒロキ ''Hiroki''
* マサオ ''Masao''
|}
|-
|| German
||
* Rot
* {{Ash}}
* Jack
||
||
* Blau
* Gary
* John
||
* Gelb
* Ash
* Jack
||
{|
|-
|
* Rot
* Feuer
* Grün
* Blatt
|
* Bert
* Chris
* Daniel
* Gerd
|
* Hans
* Helge
* Jack
* Jan
|
* John
* Jon
* Ralf
* Rolf
|
* Sven
* Tobi
* Udo
* Uli
* Uwe
|}
|-
|| French
||
* Red
* Sacha
* Paul
||
||
* Blue
* Régis
* Jean
||
* Yellow
* Sacha
* Paul
||
{|
|-
|
* Red
* Fire
* Green
* Leaf
|
* Ayrton
* Damien
* Davy
* Franck
|
* Greg
* Kamel
* Loris
* Mael
|
* Mario
* Max
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==In the [[Super Smash Bros.]] series==
[[Image:SSBB Pokemon Trainer.png|left|thumb|Red about to switch Pokémon]]
[[Image:Pokemon Trainer Brawl.png|thumb|right|Red in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] with his Pokémon]]
Red's hat appears in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] as an alternate outfit worn by {{p|Pikachu}}, possibly in reference to the anime or [[Pokémon Adventures]].

===Super Smash Bros. Brawl===
Red himself appears as a playable character in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]], named only as "{{sbw|Pokémon Trainer}}", with a team consisting of {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}}. Rather than fighting himself, like the other human characters, Red sends his three Pokémon into battle, switching between them in order. His home stages, like the other Pokémon characters in the game, are {{OBP|Pokémon Stadium|stage}}, {{OBP|Pokémon Stadium 2|stage}}, and {{OBP|Spear Pillar|stage}}. He is voiced by [[Michele Knotz]] in the English version and 半場友恵 ''[[Tomoe Hanba]]'' in the Japanese version.

In terms of gameplay, {{sbw|Squirtle}} is an agile and quick attacker, but it is somewhat weaker than the other two and is much more easily knocked back. {{sbw|Ivysaur}} is a good all-around fighter, but its attacks lack range and it has poor aerial ability. {{sbw|Charizard}} is the most difficult to knock away, and has excellent recovery, but its attacks are slow, albeit powerful.

Red's [[Final Smash]] is Triple Finish, a combination of Squirtle's {{m|Hydro Pump}}, Ivysaur's {{m|SolarBeam}}, and Charizard's {{m|Fire Blast}}.

====Squirtle====
{{SmashMoves|type=Water|game=Brawl|Spe=Water Gun|SpeM=yes|SpeS=Withdraw|SpeSM=yes|SpeU=Waterfall|SpeUM=yes|SpeD=[[Recall|Pokémon Change]]|FS=Triple Finish|FS2=Hydro Pump}}

====Ivysaur====
{{SmashMoves|type=Grass|type2=Poison|game=Brawl|Spe=Bullet Seed|SpeM=yes|SpeS=Razor Leaf|SpeSM=yes|SpeU=Vine Whip|SpeUM=yes|SpeD=[[Recall|Pokémon Change]]|FS=Triple Finish|FS2=SolarBeam}}

====Charizard====
{{SmashMoves|type=Fire|type2=Flying|game=Brawl|Spe=Flamethrower|SpeM=yes|SpeS=Rock Smash|SpeSM=yes|SpeU=Fly|SpeUM=yes|SpeD=[[Recall|Pokémon Change]]|FS=Triple Finish|FS2=Fire Blast}}

====Subspace Emissary====
The Pokémon Trainer is first encountered by {{wb|Lucas}} in the Ruined Zoo. For most of the game, the two are paired together. Pokémon Trainer's mission is to capture Charizard and Ivysaur while Lucas's is to save {{wb|Ness}}. On their way to {{sbw|the Ruins}}, the two are ambushed by {{smw|Wario}}, who is eventually defeated by the two. Later in {{sbw|The Ruined Hall}}, they are attacked by {{sbw|Galleom}}. Once defeated, it sets off a time bomb. Lucas saves Pokémon Trainer and they are then both saved by {{wk|Meta Knight}} who carries them away from the explosion, which sucks up Wario's trophy into Subspace. From then on the two join Meta Knight, {{sbw|Marth}}, and {{sbw|Ike}} on their quest to take down the {{sbw|Subspace Army}}.

====[[wp:Metal Gear|Codec]] information (on {{sbw|Shadow Moses Island}})====
:'''{{sbw|Solid Snake}}:''' ''"[[Pokémon Trainer]]... That's the guy giving [[Move|orders]] behind a Pokémon, right?"''
:'''[[wp:List of recurring Metal Gear characters#Roy Campbell|Roy Campbell]]:''' ''"Right, and this Pokémon Trainer is [[Caught Pokémon|controlling]] {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}}. They represent {{t|water}}, {{t|grass}}, and {{t|fire}}, and they're all [[Damage modification|powerful]]."''
:'''Solid Snake:''' ''"So he makes his Pokémon fight while he sits back and watches. Sounds like a good deal if you ask me."''
:'''Roy Campbell:''' ''"It's not like that, Snake. Those Pokémon wouldn't know what to do if the Pokémon Trainer [[Wild Pokémon|wasn't there giving orders]]. In every {{pkmn|battle}}, there's a soldier doing the fighting, and a commander telling him what to do. By working together as a [[Party|team]], they accomplish much more than either could on their own. So let's do this together, partner."''
:'''Solid Snake:''' ''"...Yeah... Whatever you say, Colonel."''

====Trophy information====
=====Pokémon Trainer=====
A person who [[Pokémon Breeder|raises Pokémon]] and [[Pokémon training|trains]] them as [[Party|partners]] in battle. In battle, a Trainer gives [[Move|orders]] to the Pokémon and uses [[item]]s. It's not an exaggeration to say {{pkmn|battle}}s can be won or lost on a Trainer's [[Damage modification#Critical hit|single strategic move]]. Trainers pour their [[Happiness|hearts]] into their Pokémon and share anger, sadness, and joy as they adventure in hopes of becoming [[Pokémon Master]]s.
=====Triple Finish=====
The Final Smash of the Pokémon Trainer. Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard join forces to simultaneously use {{m|Hydro Pump}}, {{m|SolarBeam}}, and {{m|Fire Blast}}. This is the only time all three of them appear on the screen together, so this move boasts the strength of three in one. A window will appear on the screen saying "It's {{DL|Damage modification|super effective}}!" when the attack hits.

==In other games==
Red makes an appearance in both [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]. While he does not appear in the games' Story Mode, he is playable in the Battle Mode when a FireRed or LeafGreen cartridge is used, with a male player character chosen. He can take on the Mt. Battle's 100-battle challenge, as well as compete in Colosseum battles. Red also made a brief appearence in the debut trailer of [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], having a [[double battle]] against [[Leaf]], using a {{p|Deoxys}} on its Attack Forme and a {{p|Wailord}}. Despite this, he didn't appear in the final cut of the game.

==In the TFG==
{{TFG ID|Next Quest|Red|42}} appears as a common Trainer figure in the launch set, {{TFG|Next Quest}}, of the [[Pokémon Trading Figure Game]].

==In the anime==
{{main|Ash Ketchum}}
[[File:Ash catches a Pokemon.png|thumb|250px|right|Ash Ketchum, Red's anime counterpart]]
While Red himself does not appear in the anime, his counterpart, introduced in the [[EP001|first episode]], is the anime's main character, Ash Ketchum. Like Red, Ash is from Pallet Town, on a journey to become a Pokémon Master. Unlike Red, Ash's journey did not end with Kanto, and Ash has continued through every other region introduced in the [[main series]] games, as well as the [[Orange Archipelago]] south of Kanto, taking the place of the player characters of Generation II during Johto, and being joined by the anime counterparts of {{ga|May}} and {{ga|Dawn}} during the Hoenn and Sinnoh sagas. Instead of starting with one of the standard three Kanto starters, however, Ash began his journey with a {{AP|Pikachu}}, inspiring {{game|Yellow}}'s creation, as well as causing some to consider Red and Ash to be the same person, most especially due to Red owning {{ga|Red's Pikachu|one}} as well.

==In the manga==
Red, like most player characters, also has counterparts in the various Pokémon manga, with {{adv|Red}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{Zensho|Satoshi}} from [[Pokémon Zensho]] manga, [[Isamu Akai]] from [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga, and [[Shū]] from [[Pokémon Get da ze!]] manga being among them.

==Trivia==
* When Red is encountered in [[Mt. Silver]] during [[Generation II]], he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. This is a reference to the fact that during [[Generation I]] he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. He also remains silent when confronted in [[Generation IV]].
**Ironically, in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, {{ga|Blue}} calls him a ''chatty gossip''. However, this is probably sarcasm.
* Much like there is minimal information on his {{Ash|anime counterpart}}'s father, Red's father is mentioned only in passing when examining a {{wp|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|SNES}} in the [[Celadon Department Store]].
* Until the release of {{game|Platinum}}, Red's team featured the highest-leveled opponent Pokémon a player could face outside of battle arenas such as the [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Stadium series]] and the [[Battle Frontier]], with his {{ga|Red's Pikachu|Pikachu}} at level 81, beating the wild {{p|Arceus}} found at the [[Hall of Origin]] by one level. In Platinum, however, the {{ga|Barry|rival}}'s team receives a boost in level, putting his [[starter Pokémon]] at level 85, while wild {{p|Magikarp}} can be found in the [[Resort Area]] at up to level 100. Due to {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} giving Red's team a level boost as well, with his Pikachu topping the list at level 88, Red is again the highest-leveled Trainer opponent (though wild Magikarp still are the highest level opponent Pokémon).
** Although the rival's Pokémon were at a higher level, however, several of Red's Pokémon had higher stats, due to their species' higher [[base stats]], with his Charizard being the strongest (the rival's possible Infernape comes closest, mere points behind).
* In the [[Super Smash Bros.]] series, Pokémon Trainer is the second Pokémon character, after {{p|Pikachu}}, that didn't need to be unlocked.
*In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, somewhat ironically, Charizard is the slowest character, even though the {{p|Charmander}} evolution family has an exceptionally high Speed stat compared to the other two Kanto starters.
* Red's team in Generation II and Generation IV is based heavily on in-game events from [[Generation I]] and {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}: {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, and {{p|Pikachu}} are the version mascots of the four Generation I games, and are as well available in all iterations of the Kanto storyline; {{p|Espeon}} could have been obtained as an {{p|Eevee}} in [[Celadon City]] (and serves as Blue's starter Pokémon in Pokémon Yellow), {{p|Lapras}} is given away by a [[Silph Co.]] employee shortly before Team Rocket is vanquished there, and two {{p|Snorlax}} are required to be caught or defeated to travel to [[Fuchsia City]] (in [[Generation II]] and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, only one Snorlax is found blocking the way in Kanto, indicating a possible connection that Red caught one and defeated the other).
** Likewise, the four version mascots Red owns all know their [[signature move]]s: Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise know {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, {{m|Blast Burn}} and {{m|Hydro Cannon}} respectively, while Pikachu knows {{m|Volt Tackle}}.
** Red's Pikachu's four moves are the same four moves that [[Ash's Pikachu]] uses most frequently in the anime: {{m|Volt Tackle}}, {{m|Quick Attack}}, {{m|Iron Tail}}, and {{m|Thunderbolt}}.
** Red's Generation II team was also the same as that of Red in the Pokémon Adventures manga during his venture to Mt. Silver - while he didn't ''own'' Charizard and Blastoise, he borrowed them for a time from {{adv|Blue}} and {{adv|Green}} respectively. However, Red did not own a Lapras as he does in Generation IV.
* An unused default name for Red in the English [[Generation I]] games was "[[Nintendo|NINTEN]]". Conversely, {{ga|Blue}}'s unused default name is "{{wp|Sony|SONY}}". While normally unviewable, changing a few addresses within the game's code can allow for these names to appear as shown [http://acmlm.kafuka.org/board/thread.php?pid=18912#18912 here]. This references the fact that in the years surrounding the releases of the Generation I games, Sony was Nintendo's main competition, and may possibly reference the {{wb|Ninten|main character}} of another Nintendo RPG developed by [[Creatures, Inc.]], {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}.
* Hidden name data for Red in the Japanese [[Generation I]] games include: やまぐち ''Yamaguchi'' for the player and いしはら ''Ishihara'' for the rival in {{game|Red and Green|s}}. Yamaguchi refers to [[Wataru Yamaguchi]], an art director on the original games, while Ishihara refers to [[Tsunekaz Ishihara]], who is now the head of [[The Pokémon Company]]. In [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], the player's unused default name is ゲーフリ ''Gēfuri'', an abbreviation of [[Game Freak]]'s Japanese name ゲームフリーク ''Gēmu Furīku''. As for the rival, his name is クリチャ ''Kuricha'', in what it seems a reference to [[Creatures, Inc.]] As for {{game|Yellow}}, it preserved the rival's name from Pokémon Blue; however, for an unknown reason, the player's name was subtly altered by gaining an extra digit, becoming "ゲーフリ１". For more information, see [http://mltreq.alwaysdata.net/i/default-names this article].
* The majority of his Japanese default names from {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} are shared with {{ga|Ethan}} and {{ga|Lucas}}. The same holds true for their {{ga|Leaf|respective}} {{ga|Lyra|female}} {{ga|Dawn|counterparts}}.
* All of the three Kanto starter Pokémon used in his [[Generation II]] battle have the moves that appeared on their {{TCG|Base Set}} cards.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, apart from his Venusaur and Blastoise being fully evolved, Red's team is identical to that of Ash Ketchum throughout most of the [[Pokémon: The Adventures in the Orange Islands|Orange Islands]] anime arc ([[Ash's Bulbasaur]] and {{AP|Squirtle}} were at the time, and still are presently, in their base forms).
* Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]].
* Red's Generation II sprite is a colorized and mirrored version of his sprite from {{game|Yellow}}. The same thing occurred to his rival, {{ga|Blue}}.
* Red, along with Blue and Prof. Oak, appears in all generations so far either as an NPC or as a playable character, except for [[Generation V]].

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Manomow: /* In-Game Picture */

== Gaido ==

I know it's not really important, but wouldn't the guide's name be Gaidō instead of Gaido?[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 07:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Butler Cafe Pic ==

I dont think that an anime picture should go in the games section. I think it should be moved. [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 21:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== Tea ==

Grass - Herbs, Water - Water, Fire - Heat and the 3 own what is colloquially known as a café. Worth noting? [[User:Lostbluez|Lostbluez]] 20:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think that it would be acceptable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== In-Game Picture ==

I can't get a picture of the full map but I can get an in-game pic from inside the gym. Would it be useful in the article? Or would it be better to just wait until a full map picture is added? ----[[User:Valkyria|Valkyria]] ''([[User talk:Valkyria|Talk]])'' 01:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Most Generation V locations don't have full maps due to the level of 3D in the games (yet). You should just add whatever image you can. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, the black and white gide has the maps in it. [[User:Manomow|Manomow]] 03:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Red and Green beta

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Manomow: /* Concept art */

== Concept art ==

Where can i get a bigger picture of it?--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 03:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about the picture, but I know that we don't use citations, so I'm totally erasing that citation.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:We do know the female character was planned, we just need a picture. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

There is more concept art here: http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8356 [[User:Manomow|Manomow]] 23:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Should someone put this picture in article?: [http://www.sailorteam.com/fakecard/starters/rgb.jpg].. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Not necessarily Leaf, as it's an old picture. We have it elsewhere, though. I'm not sure where exactly, but I've seen it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Was it true? ==

There was supposed to be like seven versions of the games but gamefreak could not afford it.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:Where in the world have you read or listened to that? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
::I read it a long time ago in some magazine talking about some games that were being developed in japan.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 19:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I think I’ve read that too... perhaps an interview with Satoshi Tajiri or Shigeru Miyamoto? I think maybe it wasn’t about finance so much as taking advice from a senior game designer about simplifying in order to get it done( like how ''Zelda''’s ''Triforce'' trilogy became the ''Oracle'' duo). Still, I wouldn’t add it unless someone finds the interview for reference. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Do you think we should try to get this confirmed? Or would it not matter--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Beta names of Pokémon ==

Is it worth mentioning reasons why the names were changed? For example, the fact that it would impossible to trademark words like "Lucky" and "dodo"? --[[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] 16:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Umm...some of the names there are the same... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

That's not the issue; the issue is that they were changed for a second time and possible reasons behind it. :) [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] 16:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

== The other concept art? ==

Does [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11718&d=1247599349 the] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11717&d=1247599296 other] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11719&d=1247599367 concept art] count? The "Capsule Monsters" ones. Should they be mentioned? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}
:If better quality ones can be found, [[Capsule Monsters|this article]] might want them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::Hm..Sorry,I don't know of any better quality ones. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Incorrect Translation ==

While no beta Pokémon remains in the coding, it is interesting to note that the official website for Super Smash Bros. lists a character from the Pokémon franchise called ポケモンのだれか, whose name translates to "Who of Pokémon?". It is possible that the name was used as a "cover-up" to not reveal the name of an unused Pokémon. However, it can also mean that it just sends out a random Pokémon, as there are other obscure characters in the list, such as James Bond and Ash Ketchum. 
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... It says "Somebody from Pokemon". ("Some Pokemon" would probably be a smoother translation.)
People who barely speak japanese (if at all) should not be jumping to conclusions. Contextually, the meaning is pretty clear.

== http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html ==

Now that I look at this website further, it's just an opinion poll. "Most desired characters if they made a sequel to Smash Bros" (Hence characters like Ash Ketchum and James Bond [goldeneye was popular at the time] appearing). So really it's completely irrelevant. Lugia was probably on the list because he already existed in japan.
:Neat find, umm lets see what others think.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Umm, there's nothing else to discuss about it.O_o I checked the dates and this poll was from shortly before the Lugia movie opened in theatres in Japan. And I speak Japanese, so I know what the poll says.

== Text when using Cut outside of battle ==

I very faintly recall when seeing an official guide, there was a screenshot of a Pokémon using Cut outside of battle. However, I think the text in the screenshot said something like "[Pokémon] cut down the bush!" (unfortunately, my memory is faint here, so I'm not 100% sure about this). However, the final version says "[Pokémon] hacked away with Cut!" Does anybody know for a fact whether this is true or not? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 03:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:That may very well be true, stuff like that does appear in the guides. I know the instruction manual has a bunch of beta screenshots in it (Poké Mart says "Shop", "THE BROCK wants to fight") [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::The "Shop" part is only in the Japanese version. I think. I might need to check.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I've got JP Red and they all say "Shop", which as we all know was changed to "Mart" for w/e reason. Buuuut in the English R/B manuals the screenshots still say "Shop" ;D [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::::That's interesting, and I know they called a Great Ball a Super Ball in one picture.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think the English version is actually the only one that says "Mart." Once I played a Spanish version, and it said... "Shop" (which doesn't make sense, as the proper word is "tienda"). I think I saw other foreign language versions with "Shop" too. [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 12:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Ookido-sensei ==

We have a section about Oak having a Pokemon team programmed into the game, but it doesn't mention that this character was known as Ookido-sensei (オーキドせんせい, rather than Ookido-hakase オーキドはかせ) in the Japanese version. (Ref: [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AD%E3%83%89%E3%81%9B%E3%82%93%E3%81%9B%E3%81%84 Japanese wiki], note Youtube link.) Is this worth mentioning? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:What do the two names mean in English? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 09:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
::"Hakase" is "professor/doctor/etc." and "sensei" is "teacher/master/etc."... roughly. "Sensei" can mean many things in different contexts. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding the Badges beta ==

''When used outside of battle, they have another strange effect - after the throwing animation, the music changes to a strange, unused tune not heard anywhere else.''

Anyone have a YouTube or the like link to said "strange unused tune"? Does anybody have it? [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 07:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== "The BROCK" wants to Fight. Would adding a Pictures help? ==

I have the English/Dutch Manual that is sold in Europe. There is "The BROCK wants to Fight" Image in the Manual. Should I scan it? Also the Route 1 Page has TWO types of sign posts, for the same sign. Shop is shown on the map of Virddian, Want that too? [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 14:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. Make sure it's a good quality scan though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Something I noticed when checking locations by index number in Generation I ==

Identifiers/Index Numbers 00 (0) to 0A (10) are the main towns and cities such as Pallet Town, Pewter City, Viridian City etc. 0C (12) is the first route i.e. Route 1. Noticing this I developed a Gameshark code 010B5ED3 for use on Pokémon Red/Blue to take the player to location #11 (0B). It crashes the game if you activate the code when entering through a door but if you force the game to display it on the Town Map it is directly north of the Pokémon League, do you think this is probably just a pure coincidence? There is no defined data for its name, so the game refers to it as "PALLET TOWN". --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:43, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== Title change ==

Should we change the title of the article from "Pokémon Red and Green beta" to "Generation I beta" or something to that effect? It's because from the info we have in the article, we are mentioning aspects of the betas of all the Generation I games, not just of Red and Green. Thus, the current title is unfitting when related to the contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'd usually say we should leave it at Red & Green because the finished R&G is kind of the beta for Blue/RB/Yellow... ''but'' there is a bunch of information in this article that only applies to Blue/international RB/Yellow, and there's also plenty that applies to all Generation I versions. In short, I think a move would be appropriate. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 14:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::"''The'' beta?" In general the original assumption of there actually being a single 'beta version' of a Pokémon game with each and every feature known of that game is quite speculative. There is no solid proof but game developers usually do not simply produce two versions of the game (e.g. pre-release and release). Instead, they usually save many revisions (versions) of the game, for example lots of prototype versions of many of the classic Sonic games have been leaked, even those for the same game. There's also the distinction between Alpha and Beta; Alpha denotes when testing techniques are very brief and the product is not feature complete (note planned features are not always the only final features). Borderline between Alpha and Beta is probably what you mean, although many features are often added (or removed) in later Beta stages too, maybe due to technical limitations or a good 'brain-wave'.

::I'd prefer that we just move every page to "Prototype and scrapped features of (Game Series)". --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

: I say it's best as it is. Why?
First, we have a format. And that format is to have articles for each individual game, not for whole generations. If we change this into "Generation I Beta", then we'd have to merge GS and Crystal's Beta articles into one single article with the name "Generation II Beta", and even worse, all the Gen III and IV games, to keep consistency, and we know that would not be the best move. It's better to leave it as it is for the sake of consistency.
Second, Red and Blue is Red and Green with different names and translated text, not different games. I don't eat the universal assumption that they are different games, since they retain Red and Green's version exclusive Pokémon and even keep glitches that were not present anymore in Blue but were in Red and Green (Missingno.); the only thing that was carried over from Blue was its graphics and the evolving Raichu text in Cinnabar, but otherwise, their still Red and Green with Blue's updated graphics. Calling them different games just because of minor changes would be like considering Kin and Gin different games from Gold and Silver because of the Teddiursa and Phanpy lines as vesion exclusives being switched from the Japanese versions -it just don't make sense.
Third. The "exclusive English Red and Blue beta content" consists in translated text only ("The BROCK" and different Pokémon names), not actual elements of their own, so it doesn't really count as beta for different/new games, but rather as beta text for a LOCALIZED VERSION OF THE ORIGINAL GAMES.
With all of this in mind, it can be well concluded that Japanese Red and Green (or Aka and Midori if you prefer) and International Red and Blue are the same game, not different ones, thus, is there still any true reason left to rename the article? The best we can do in my opinion is to rename it "Red, Green AND BLUE Beta" and split the exclusive Yellow beta content (is there actually any beta content exclusive to Yellow in the article?) into a separate article to keep up with the other generations' beta articles. [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 17:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::@"is there actually any beta content exclusive to Yellow in the article?". Not much, the unused battle system using the dialogue string "Hurry, get away" when you attempt to attack and an unused soundtrack (only existing in the Pikachu's Beach/ bonus trainer soundbank) --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 19:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, our Red and Blue's game engine is derived from the [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Japanese Blue version]] which was notably different than that of the original Red and Green. Though, calling this article "Pokémon Red and Green beta" is potentially misguiding because it implies that all of the unused elements of Red/Blue/Yellow were originally planned to be included in the original Red/Green to begin with, which would be speculation if anything because of the (exclusive) unused content within Pokémon Yellow; it doesn't exist in the newer Pokémon Red/Blue engine, neither the original Pokémon Red/Green. I don't see a problem with making a separate article for Pokémon Yellow, we have "Pokémon Crystal Beta" which would be of about the same size of a "Pokémon Yellow Beta" (though I prefer we just use something in the title like 'unused content' instead of beta, we have concept art which is more likely to be alpha/pre-alpha content) . --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:::I acknowledged the fact that our Red and Blue were made from Blue's engine, but IN CONTENT, they are still Red and Green (I detailedly explained why I consider it that way), plus there are no Japanese Blue nor English Red and Blue exclusive TRUE beta elements (aside from text translations in the case of the English RB), so my point still stands, and thus, I keep my suggestion: in my opinion, the best is to rename the article, but not "Gen I beta", but rather into "Red, Green and Blue beta" (since Red and Blue are nothing but debugged versions of Red and Green, not independent games) and split the Yellow elements into a separate article like those of Crystal, Emerald and Platinum.[[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 05:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, that sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 08:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
There ''are'' some parts of the article that refer to international Red/Blue but not Japanese Red/Green, like the "The Misty wants to fight" section. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 13:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:Actually yes that's right, "The" included prior to a trainer class didn't have an equivalent transliteration "ザ" in the original Red and Green, though Veggietable acknowledges this. Are you also trying to suggest that added text (unused of course) (but not direct transliterations) aren't notable too Veggietable? Some of the temporary placeholder names used in American promotions like "Ness" for Lapras weren't direct transliterations of the Japanese names. Also, thought someone would be interested, transliterated (though it might not be actually?) text in only the localized Red/Blue outside of Japan refers to an old in-game trade exclusive to Japanese Blue, where you receive a {{p|Beedrill}} but it's now referred to as "CHIKUCHIKU". --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

:: I already DID aknowledged that the "The BROCK" addition in the international versions as American-original, but that comes because of the different sentence structures in Japanese and English, where a pronoun isn't needed in Japanese but is in English, so, while still "original" material in the beta English releases, it derives from translation issues, and thus, my original point (which is that all the "changes" made in the international releases where made due to localization ) still stands and remains congruent. As I told a couple of times before, conseidering them separate games just for minor additions is not quite congruent, and going by this logic, Japanese and International versions of HGSS must be considered different games too (and as such, get separate articles or the article be renamed into "Generation II remakes") just because one has a Game Corner and the other has Voltorb Flip -it just don't make sense. Had Red and Blue kept Blue's CONTENT features (version exclusives, in-game trades, removal of Missingno., et al) or introduced brand-new features like Yellow did, then yes, I'd say they are differeht games and that the article must be splitted into "RG beta" and "RB beta" or me renamed "Gen I Beta", but it wasn't the case. That's why to avoid confusion I suggested (and I feel honored that my suggetsion was put on the main article) instead to rename it "Red, Green and Blue beta", thus acknowledging the identity of Blue and Red and Blue, if not as separate games, at least as different revisions of the game deserving mention in the article's title. If you still want the distintion to be made, the article could have a "localization beta" sub-section and put there the Pokémon names and the "The Brock" thing. To make it shorter, adressing your specific question of "Are you also trying to suggest that added text (unused of course) (but not direct transliterations) aren't notable too Veggietable?", my answer is: "I'm not saying that is not notable, just that it's not enough notable to be considered A DIFFERENT GAME", after all, international releases OF EVERYTHING are changed, because according to context, we can't always get direct translation/transilteration -we instead get adaptations, and such, names or sentences might be added or removed. If we considered everything that is not A DIRECT TRANSLATION to be a different entity dererving its own article, then half of the Pokémon must be considered different from their Japanese counterparts (it's like saying "Lizardon is already an English word so it didn't need anything more than a romaji transilteration, but instead we got Charizard; since they have different names, then it's original content and thus they must be different Pokémon"). Its the same: International Green got its named changed into Blue and got some changes ("The BROCK") due to localization, but nothing more. The in-game trade refering to a Blue event I think was a slip from the localization team caused by the use of Blue's engine, but the actual trade was still that of Red and Green, that's why I still consider them Red and Green. [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 23:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I actually like your idea, Veggie. Let's rename this to Pokémon Red, Green, and Blue beta and create Pokémon Yellow beta. And speaking of the latter, would it be something like [[User:Pokemon_lover/Pokémon_Yellow_beta|this]]? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 23:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not against your idea Veggie. [Actually it was from an in-game Japanese Blue exclusive trade (Butterfree for Beedrill) where "CHIKUCHIKU" is the Beedrill according to [[Meowth346]] and the 39 MISSINGNO. were never removed in Japanese Blue].

::::I'm not trying to make any distinctions of unused content between Red/Green/Blue and the Japanese Blue such that they require different pages, I was just trying to outline what the differences were before jumping to any conclusions. I agree with your idea, that having a separate page for Japanese Blue would be similar to "making separate pages for Pokémon Kin and Gin", (there are a few dialogue strings which were never translated for Gold and Silver relating to a debugging interface in Japanese Kin and Gin but it doesn't matter). I was only suggesting that we use the format "Prototype and scrapped features of (XXX)" because concept art does not class as beta, it is alpha/pre-alpha content. I agree that we could have two separate articles about Red/Green/Blue, Yellow and implement any 'localization beta' content into their own sections. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 12:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

:::::OK, Then I'm completely fine with it. So, who decides if the rename is done? By the way, Pokémon lover's draft for Yellow's article is very good to be honest. [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 16:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yellow beta got its article already, so should we move this to Red, Green, and Blue beta or not? It'd make sense if it was moved but I'm not sure who has the last word on this. And thanks for the compliment, Veggie. xD [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 20:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

==Should I include this?==
A tentative 'debug menu' can be accessed via the "Game Freak" screen. Only in Pokémon Yellow if the title screen is loaded with an invalid sound font a text box will appear below the "Game Freak" screen and the equivalent of the 'item obtained' sound will play, although the sound is only noticeable if the sound-font is quickly changed back to its usual default. The menu can be scrolled through, although the text is illegible and the only remaining option left for the player is to exit the menu. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEI-ijQMBg Youtube video]</ref> <references/>--[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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