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2021-05-09T10:41:41Z

Malzagath: /* Generation II */

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[[File:Fly OW.png|thumb|250px|HM moves, like {{m|Fly}}, have effects outside of battle]]
[[File:RG HM.png|thumb|250px|HM artwork for {{game|Red and Green|s}}]]
A '''Hidden Machine''' (Japanese: '''ひでんマシン''' ''Secret Machine''), '''HM''' for short, is an [[item]] that, like a [[TM]], is used to teach a Pokémon a move. HMs can be used an unlimited number of times and cannot be disposed of. Moves taught by HMs, known as '''HM moves''', '''hidden moves'''{{sup/3|RSEFRLG}}{{sup/4|DPPtHGSS}}{{sup/5|BWB2W2}}, '''Hidden Moves'''{{sup/3|FRLG}}{{sup/5|B2W2}}, or '''<sc>Hidden</sc> moves'''{{sup/3|FRLG}} (Japanese: '''ひでんわざ''' ''secret move''; formatted in kanji as '''{{tt|秘伝技|ひでんわざ}}''' ''secret move'' only at the [[Entralink]] and when using [[Poké Transfer]] in Generation V), cannot normally be forgotten. These moves have a use as [[field move]]s in games in which they are HMs.

Starting in [[Generation VII]], there are no longer any field moves or HMs. The field move uses of HM moves are replaced by (depending on the game) [[Poké Ride]]s, [[Secret Technique]]s, the [[Flying Taxi]], and [[Rotom Bike]]. Some former HM moves are instead [[TM]] or [[TR]] moves in these games.
==In the core series==
===Mechanics===
HMs can be used any number of times, and cannot be tossed, sold, or [[held item|held]]. This contrasts to TMs in Generations {{gen|I}} to {{gen|IV}}, in which TMs are single-use items that can be tossed, sold, or held. In {{game2|FireRed|LeafGreen|Emerald}}, HMs cannot be stored in a [[PC]].

Moves taught by HMs are all [[field move]]s in the games in which they are HMs, but some field moves are not HM moves. Like all field moves, they can be used outside of battle even if the Pokémon has fainted or no [[PP]] in that move (using it in the field does not consume PP). Except for [[Generation V]], specific [[Badge]]s must be obtained by the player before they can use an HM move outside of battle to advance the game's storyline.

HM moves cannot be forgotten by Pokémon under normal circumstances in the games in which they are HMs, even if they are not learned via HM. They can be deleted by the [[Move Deleter]], although {{m|Surf}} cannot be deleted in {{game|Emerald}} if the Pokémon is the only one in the player's [[party]] or [[PC]] that knows the move. If a Pokémon learns a new move while in [[Pokémon Day Care]], an HM move can be replaced if it is at the top of the list; however, in [[Generation I]] the Pokémon Day Care will not accept Pokémon that know HM moves.

A Pokémon knowing an HM move cannot be sent forward from [[Generation III]] to [[Generation IV]] or from Generation IV to Generation V unless the HM move is removed (via [[Move Deleter]]). {{m|Dive}} prevents sending forward from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} despite not being considered an HM by those games, while {{m|Defog}} and {{m|Whirlpool}} only prevent Pokémon being sent forward from the games they are an HM in. Pokémon with Whirlpool can freely be sent into {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} from Generation III, while Pokémon with Dive can freely be sent into Generation V games. Unlike in previous inter-generational transfers, Pokémon sent from Generation I or V to [[Poké Transporter]] that know HM moves do not require these moves to be deleted. Pokémon which know HM moves cannot be traded over [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]] or the [[Nintendo Network]], and also cannot be deposited in the [[GTS]]. Pokémon that know HM moves can also be freely deposited and withdrawn from [[Pokémon Bank]].

In Generation V, Pokémon knowing an HM move cannot be traded via [[infrared]] communications if they are in the player's [[party]], to prevent a player from potentially becoming stuck somewhere that requires an HM move to escape.

In Generation III and IV, if the player attempts to [[Released Pokémon|release]] a Pokémon that is the only Pokémon in their party or PC that knows a certain HM move, it will immediately return. In Generation III, these moves are {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Dive}}. In Generation IV, they are Surf, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Rock Climb}}, as well as {{m|Fly}} in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

===HMs by generation===
====Generation I====
Five HM moves were introduced in this generation. Three HMs ({{m|Cut}}, {{m|Surf}}, and {{m|Strength}}) are required for completing the games.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[S.S. Anne]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Cascade Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cascade}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|16|Kanto}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Thunder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Thunder}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| {{safari|Kanto}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Soul Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Soul}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Fuchsia City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Rainbow Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rainbow}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{rt|2|Kanto}}
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Boulder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Boulder}}
|}

Four of them remain as HM moves even through [[Generation VI]], while the fifth, {{m|Flash}}, retains the ability to be used outside of battle (to light dark caves in [[Generation V]], or reduce encounters with wild Pokémon in Generation VI).

None of these moves are able to be forgotten in Generation I, and a Pokémon with these moves cannot be raised by the [[Pokémon Day Care]] on {{rt|5|Kanto}}. Unlike in later generations, all of these moves must be selected from the Pokémon screen to be used.

====Generation II====
The five HMs from Generation I return, while a new move, {{m|Whirlpool}}, is introduced as an HM, and an old move, {{m|Waterfall}}, becomes one as well. Five HMs are required for completing the games: the same three from before ({{m|Cut}}, {{m|Surf}}, and {{m|Strength}}) and the two new HMs. It should be noted however that Goldeen can learn Waterfall by level-up, which means that HM07 isn't necessary to complete the game.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Ilex Forest]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Hive Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Hive}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Cianwood City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Storm Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Storm}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Ecruteak City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Fog Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fog}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Olivine City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Plain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Plain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| [[Sprout Tower]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Zephyr Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Zephyr}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Whirlpool|000}}
| [[Team Rocket HQ|Team Rocket's Hideout]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Glacier Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Glacier}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Ice Path]]
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Rising Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rising}}
|}

A [[Move Deleter]] was added to the games, mostly with the intention of making possible the ability to delete {{cat|Generation II moves}} that a {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} had learned in order to be able to trade it back, though with the side effect of HM moves now being able to be forgotten.

From this generation on, Pokémon with HM moves are allowed in the Day Care, and fathers with HM moves will pass the moves down to their children as they would a TM move. HM moves can also be used just by checking the obstacle that the HM will clear, such as {{m|surf}}able water or a movable rock.

====Generation III====
=====Hoenn=====
{{m|Whirlpool}} lost its HM status, while {{m|Rock Smash}} gained HM status, and a new move, {{m|Dive}}, became an HM, raising the total number to eight. Five HMs are required for completing the games: {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Dive}}. While Cut is not required anymore, it can still be used to access optional areas.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Rustboro City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Stone Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Stone}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|119|Hoenn}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Feather Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Feather}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Petalburg City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Balance Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Balance}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Rusturf Tunnel]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Heat Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Heat}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| [[Granite Cave]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Knuckle Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Knuckle}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| [[Mauville City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Dynamo Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Dynamo}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Cave of Origin]]{{sup/3|RS}}
| style="text-align:left" rowspan="2" | [[File:Rain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[Sootopolis City]]{{sup/3|E}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM08}} {{color2|000|HM08}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Dive|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Mossdeep City]]
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Mind Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Mind}}
|}

=====Kanto=====
In Kanto, due to a lack of use for {{m|Dive}} outside of battle, HM08 is unobtainable and can only be accessed through [[cheating]]. The first five HMs can be acquired through the same methods as in Generation I, while HM06 and HM07 can be found in the [[Sevii Islands]] later in the game.

Three HMs are required for completing the games: the same ones from Generation I ({{m|Cut}}, {{m|Surf}}, and {{m|Strength}}). In addition, {{m|Waterfall}} is required for finishing the Pokémon Network machine, which allows trading with the Hoenn games.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[S.S. Anne]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Cascade Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cascade}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|16|Kanto}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Thunder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Thunder}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Soul Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Soul}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Fuchsia City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Rainbow Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rainbow}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| {{rt|2|Kanto}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Boulder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Boulder}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| {{DL|Kindle Road|Ember Spa}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Marsh Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Marsh}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Icefall Cave]]
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Volcano Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Volcano}}
|}

====Generation IV====
=====Sinnoh=====
For the first time, one of the original HMs, Flash, lost its status to a new move, {{m|Defog}}, while HM08 was brought back as {{m|Rock Climb}}.

Six HMs are required for completing the games: {{m|Cut}}, {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Rock Climb}}.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Eterna City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Forest Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Forest}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Veilstone City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Cobble Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cobble}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| rowspan="2" | [[Celestic Town]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Relic Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Relic}}{{sup/4|DP}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Fen Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fen}}{{sup/4|Pt}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Lost Tower]]{{sup/4|DP}}
| style="text-align:left" rowspan="2" | [[File:Mine Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Mine}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[Iron Island]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Flying|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Defog|000}}
| [[Great Marsh]]{{sup/4|DP}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Fen Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fen}}{{sup/4|DP}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[Solaceon Ruins]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Relic Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Relic}}{{sup/4|Pt}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| [[Oreburgh Gate]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Coal Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Coal}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Sunyshore City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Beacon Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Beacon}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM08}} {{color2|000|HM08}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Rock Climb|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{rt|217|Sinnoh}}
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Icicle Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Icicle}}
|}

=====Johto and Kanto=====
Defog lost its HM status in Johto for the return of {{m|Whirlpool}}; all other HMs retained their status from the prior Sinnoh games.

Six HMs are required for completing the games: {{m|Cut}}, {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Whirlpool}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Rock Climb}}.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Ilex Forest]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Hive Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Hive}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Cianwood City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Storm Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Storm}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Ecruteak City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Fog Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fog}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| {{rt|42|Johto}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Plain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Plain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Whirlpool|000}}
| [[Team Rocket HQ]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Glacier Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Glacier}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| {{rt|36|Johto}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Zephyr Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Zephyr}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Ice Path]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Rising Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rising}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM08}} {{color2|000|HM08}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Rock Climb|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Professor Oak's Laboratory]]
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Earth Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Earth}}
|}

====Generation V====
HMs were reduced to six in Generation V; HM07 and HM08 no longer exist in the coding of {{game|Black and White|s}}. Dive returns for use in Unova. This generation marks the first time that HM moves do not require Gym Badges for use outside of battle. Although most HM moves cannot be obtained before earning certain Gym Badges, if the player obtains a Pokémon that has learned an HM move through other means (via [[Level|level-up]], [[Trade|trading]], etc.) the player will be able to use the HM in the field without restrictions.

When a move is replaced by an HM, the HM move takes on the current PP of the replaced move until [[Pokémon Center|healed]] or [[Ether|replenished]]. The same also applies for replacing old moves with TMs.

Of all the HMs, only a single use of {{m|Cut}} is required at the [[Dreamyard]] for completing {{game|Black and White|s}}. Only {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Strength}} are required for completing {{game|Black and White|s 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}. Cut, Surf, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Dive}} can still be often used to access optional areas. Strength may also often be optionally used to make shortcuts.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found {{color2|000|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Location found {{color2|000|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black 2 and White 2}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Striaton City]]
| [[Virbank City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Driftveil City]]
| {{rt|5|Unova}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Twist Mountain]]
| {{rt|6|Unova}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Nimbasa City]]
| [[Castelia Sewers]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| {{rt|18|Unova}}
| {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Dive|000}}
| colspan=2 style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[Undella Town]]
|}

====Generation VI====
HMs have returned to requiring a Badge to use them.

When a move is replaced by an HM, the HM move takes on the current PP of the replaced move until [[Pokémon Center|healed]] or [[Ether|replenished]]. The same also applies for replacing old moves with TMs.

=====Kalos=====
HMs were reduced to five in Kalos like in Generation l. The HMs are the same as Generation V, except HM06 was removed.

Only {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Strength}} are required to complete the game. {{m|Cut}}, Surf, Strength, and {{m|Waterfall}} can still be often used to access optional areas. Strength may also often be optionally used to make shortcuts.

Though {{m|Rock Smash}} is not an HM, it can still be used outside of battle, unlike in Generation V.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Parfum Palace]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Bug Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Bug}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying VI|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Coumarine City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Plant Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Plant}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water VI|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Shalour City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Rumble Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rumble}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Cyllage City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Cliff Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cliff}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water VI|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{rt|19|Kalos}}
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Iceberg Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Iceberg}}
|}

=====Hoenn=====
HMs were increased to seven in Hoenn. {{m|Rock Smash}} and {{m|Dive}} regained their HM status.

Seven of the eight original Hoenn HMs are available in the remakes. {{m|Flash}} is the exception, which is still usable outside of battle as usual, but is not an HM anymore since Generation IV.

Like in the original Hoenn games, five HMs are required for completing the games ({{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Dive}}), while Cut can be used to access optional areas.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Rustboro City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Stone Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Stone}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying VI|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|119|Hoenn}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Feather Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Feather}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water VI|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Petalburg City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Balance Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Balance}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| {{rt|112|Hoenn}}
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Heat Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Heat}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water VI|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Sootopolis Gym]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Rain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting VI|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| [[Mauville City]]
| style="text-align:left" | [[File:Dynamo Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Dynamo}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water VI|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Dive|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Mossdeep City]]
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:left; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Mind Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Mind}}
|}

===HM-exclusive moves===
Due to the nature of HMs, these moves are often exclusively taught by them. {{m|Waterfall}} is the only HM move that was never HM-exclusive.

{| style="margin:auto; background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; border: 3px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center; white-space:nowrap; min-width:500px; {{roundy|10px}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; width:25%; {{roundytl|5px}}" rowspan=2 | HM-exclusive moves
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" colspan=6 | Generation
|-
! style="background:#{{Kanto color}}" | {{color2|000|Generation I|I}}
! style="background:#{{Johto color}}" | {{color2|000|Generation II|II}}
! style="background:#{{Hoenn color}}" | {{color2|000|Generation III|III}}
! style="background:#{{Sinnoh color}}" | {{color2|000|Generation IV|IV}}
! style="background:#{{Unova color}}" | {{color2|000|Generation V|V}}
! style="background:#{{Kalos color}}" | {{color2|000|Generation VI|VI}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{m|Cut}}
| ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{m|Fly}}
| ✔ || ✔ || || || ||
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{m|Surf}}
| ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{m|Strength}}
| ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || ✔
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{m|Flash}}
| ✔ || ✔ || ✔ || || ||
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{m|Whirlpool}}
| || ✔ || || || ||
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{m|Rock Smash}}
| || || ✔ || ✔ || ||
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{m|Dive}}
| || ||✔ || || ||
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{m|Defog}}
| || || || ✔ || ||
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{m|Rock Climb}}
| || || || ✔ ||
| style="{{roundybr|5px}}" |
|}

===Gallery===
<gallery>
File:HM Cut artwork.png|Artwork of Cut
File:HM Fly artwork.png|Artwork of Fly
File:HM Surf artwork.png|Artwork of Surf
File:HM Strength artwork.png|Artwork of Strength
File:HM Flash artwork.png|Artwork of Flash
File:HM Whirlpool artwork.png|Artwork of Whirlpool
File:HM Waterfall artwork.png|Artwork of Waterfall
File:HM Rock Smash artwork.png|Artwork of Rock Smash
File:HM Dive artwork.png|Artwork of Dive
File:HM Defog artwork.png|Artwork of Defog
File:HM Rock Climb artwork.png|Artwork of Rock Climb
</gallery>

==In spin-off games==
===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series===
Prior to {{g|Super Mystery Dungeon}}, HMs can be used an infinite amount of times and are colored differently to TMs. HMs cannot be used inside dungeons and are more difficult to obtain than TMs. In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]], each HM can only be found once in [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|specific dungeons]], while in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers of Time and Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Sky]], they can only be found in [[Destiny Tower (Explorers of Sky)|Destiny Tower]] or [[Final Maze]]. They play a particular role in Red and Blue Rescue Team, where the player must either have a specific HM in the [[Toolbox]] or have a party member that knows the move taught by that HM in order to access certain dungeons.

In {{g|Super Mystery Dungeon}}, HMs are treated more or less the same as TMs. Like TMs, they can only be used once and have the same bag sprite as TMs. Despite this, when a HM is dropped in a dungeon, the color of the HM differs from that of a TM.

====Appearance====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:20%" | [[File:MDBag HM RTRB Sprite.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:20%" | [[File:MDBag HM TDS Sprite.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:20%" | [[File:MDBag HM V Sprite.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:20%" | [[File:Unused MDBag HM VI Sprite.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:20%" | [[File:Unused MDBag Rainbow HM VI Sprite.png]]
|-
| Sprite of HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Rescue Team series}}
| Sprite of HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers series}}
| Sprite of HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity|Gates to Infinity}}
| Unused sprite of HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon|Super Mystery Dungeon}}
| Unused sprite of rainbow HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon|Super Mystery Dungeon}}
|}
{{-}}
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color}}; font-size:80%"
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:33%" | [[File:HM PMD GTI.png|80px]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:33%" | [[File:HM PSMD.png|80px]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{md color dark}}; background:#{{md color light}}; width:33%" | [[File:Used HM PSMD.png|80px]]
|-
| Model of a HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity|Gates to Infinity}}
| Model of a HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon|Super Mystery Dungeon}}
| Unused model of a Used HM from {{color2|000|Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon|Super Mystery Dungeon}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Hidden Machine PO.png|250px|thumb|HM01 in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
===Pokémon Origins===
{{HM|01|Cut}} appeared in ''[[PO02|File 2: Cubone]]''. Much like in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, it was given to {{OBP|Red|Origins}} by the captain of [[S.S. Anne]] after helping him recover from his seasickness.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Hidden Machine Adventures.png|thumb|140px|HM03 in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
===={{chap|Red, Green & Blue}}====
In ''[[PS024|What a Dragonite]]'', {{adv|Red}} was revealed to have already obtained {{HM|01|Cut}} for his [[Saur|Ivysaur]], {{HM|04|Strength}} for his [[Snor]]lax, and {{HM|05|Flash}} for his [[Pika]]chu, one of which he had won in a [[bicycle|bike]] race in ''[[PS012|Wake Up—You're Snorlax!]]''. When he tried to get his hands on {{HM|03|Surf}}, he ran into some trouble with a wild {{p|Dragonite}}, eventually leading to the Hidden Machine getting destroyed. To help him, [[Misty]] gave Red her [[Gyara]]dos [[Trade|in exchange]] for his {{p|Krabby}}, since it already knew Surf.

It was also revealed that {{adv|Blue}} had found HM03 before Red, fueling the young Trainer's determination of finding it too.

===Pokémon Zensho===
In ''[[PZ04|Vermilion City]]'', after defeating [[Lt. Surge]], {{Zensho|Satoshi}} received the HM for Cut from the captain of S.S. Anne, whom he had met earlier.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* In the core series, {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} and all [[Generation IV]] games have the highest number of HMs available (each game has eight HMs), and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are the games with most HMs required for completion (with seven HMs required).
* Of all the core series games with available HMs, the [[Generation I]] games and the [[Kalos]] ([[Generation VI]]) games are the ones with lowest number of HMs (they have five HMs), and {{game|Black and White|s}} are the ones with fewest HMs required for completion (with only Cut needed).
* Flash, Fly, and Defog are never required to finish a game. Flash and Defog remove obstacles ([[darkness]] and [[fog]], respectively) that make it difficult to see; areas affected can still otherwise be normally explored with these obstacles present.
* With the exception of Flash, Fly, and Defog, all HMs are required to finish the games where they first gained their HM status.
* In the core series, the only methods that can remove an HM move are [[Move Deleter]] and the [[Pokémon Day Care]]. However, HM moves can be replaced as normal in games in which they are not HMs.
* The only then-current HM moves that were also able to be learned by Pokémon by level-up were {{m|Fly}} and {{m|Waterfall}}. Former HMs {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Whirlpool}}, {{m|Defog}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Rock Climb}}, and {{m|Dive}} are also learnable by level, but only since their loss of HM status. Moves that regained their HM status, like Whirlpool and Dive, remained learnable by level-up. Waterfall remains the only HM move that has been learnable by level-up since it was introduced as a move, prior to gaining HM status.
* {{m|Rock Smash}} is the only HM with a unique type. All other HM moves share their type with at least one other HM move.
** HM moves have so far been only of the {{t|Flying}}, {{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Water}}, and {{t|Normal}} types.
* In {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, on {{rt|20|Kanto}}, Swimmer Lori states "{{m|Surf}} is no longer the only HM move you use in water" when she is defeated. This is a reference to [[Generation I]], where the only HM usable in the water was Surf.
* In Generation IV, all moves that were at one time an HM can be taught via some method, with Flash being available by [[TM70]] and Dive being available by [[Move Tutor]]. Defog and Whirlpool, which replace each other in the [[Sinnoh]]- and [[Johto]]-based games, are both HM05.
** [[Generation IV]] is the only generation in which two moves share the same HM number.
* {{m|Dive}} is the only HM in Generation V that is not found in a different location between {{game|Black and White|s|Black and White}} and {{game|Black and White|s 2|Black 2 and White 2}}.
* In {{pkmn|Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun, Moon}}, {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra, Sun, and Ultra Moon}}, {{tc|Swimmer Girls}} Kylie and Ashlyn, two [[Kalos]]ian HM-makers encountered at [[Poni Breaker Coast]] during the post-game, explain that HMs are not only difficult to make, they also cannot legally be sold for money in most regions.
* [[Tracey's Scyther]] is the first Pokémon belonging to a main character of the anime to have used a then-current HM move, {{m|Cut}}. It wasn't until ''[[Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl]]'' that one of {{Ash}}'s Pokémon used a then-current HM move; [[Ash's Grotle]] used {{m|Rock Climb}}.
** Although debatable, other Pokémon may have used {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Dive}}, and {{m|Fly}} throughout the anime; however, they were not directly ordered to use the move.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{TMs and HMs color light}}|bordercolor={{TMs and HMs color}}
|zh_yue=秘傳學習器 ''{{tt|Beichyùhn Hohkjaahphei|Secret Learning Machine}}''
|zh_cmn=秘傳學習器 / 秘传学习器 ''{{tt|Mìchuán Xuéxíqì|Secret Learning Machine}}''
|da=Skjult maskine
|nl=Verborgen machine{{tt|*|Emerald, Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver, Black & White manual}}
|fr_ca=HM{{tt|*|Diamond manual}}
|fr_eu=Capsule Secrète (CS)
|de=Versteckte Maschine (VM)
|it=Macchina Nascosta (MN)
|ko=비전머신 ''{{tt|Bijeon Machine|Secret Machine}}''
|pt_br=Máquina Oculta (MO)
|es=Máquina Oculta (MO)
|sv=Gömd maskin Gömt fordon{{tt|*|Pokémon Emerald manual}}
|vi=Cỗ máy bí truyền
|pt_eu=Máquina Oculta{{tt|*|Platinum manual}}
}}

''HM move / Hidden move''
{{langtable|color={{TMs and HMs color light}}|bordercolor={{TMs and HMs color}}
|fr=Capacité CS Capacité secrète
|de=VM-Attacke Versteckte Attacke
|ko=비전기술 ''{{tt|Bijeon Gisul|Secret Move}}''
|it=Mossa MN Mossa nascosta
|es=Movimiento de MO Movimiento oculto
}}

==See also==
* [[TM]]
* [[TR]]
* [[Appendix:Fan terminology#HM mule|Appendix:Fan terminology → HM mule]]
* [[Field move]]
* [[Poké Ride]]
* [[Secret Technique]]

{{TM and HM locations}}
{{Mystery Dungeon items}} 
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Equipment]]
[[Category:HMs|*]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon items]]

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User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 4

2018-10-19T16:29:50Z

Malzagath: /* Version Exclusive as Trivia */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3]] (through Feb 22, 2017)

== Radiant Sun/Full Moon ==

Why do we have the Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms on Solgaleo/Lunala's pages and the form differences page? When I added Reshiram's and Zekrom's active forms to their pages it was removed because they aren't counted in the Pokédex like Xerneas's neutral mode, but yet Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms are also not counted in the Pokédex, yet are on their pages. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:In Solgaleo/Lunala's case, [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ the official site] called them forms. (Whether that should be OK may be arguable.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Adding on, there are some Pokémon who have form differences recognized by the Pokédex but yet don't have their forms in the box at the top of the page (eg Furfrou). Should they be added? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Rotom is basically the high end of what we're willing to accomodate in the infobox. If there is a ''strongly'' compelling reason in the future, we might consider more, but something like Furfrou is simply impractical and relatively trivial—little benefit to worry about including it. It's fine with a gallery. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

== Your help ==

..was unexpected in both "I didn't expect you to help" and "Why exactly did you do [[Special:Diff/2604502|that]]" kind of way. So, thanks for the former, but for the latter, was that more an "oh my Nesci now just get over that class=expandable thing its bad nobody wants that", or rather an "i still have javascript disabled so i must've cleaned up and nothing more ♪♫♪♫"? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:It took me a bit to parse your actual question here...but yes, I don't enable Javascript if I don't need it, and all I saw was apparently pointless HTML tags in the diff. I might've said about as much except I try not to sound too much like an ass (because sometimes people just don't know), so instead of writing something like, "That's weird yo", I just simplified the reason very, very basically.
:That said, the first table is '''super''' short, collapsing it seems a bit pointless. In fact, actually reading that one, IMO it'd be better to just make those nested bullet points instead of a whole table (like [[Experience#Gain formula]]); or just nest the technical note about Gen I-II specifically. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:56, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
::Um, sorry for being cryptic, I thought you'd remember we already talked about that. Yo.
::Thanks for the nested bullet points idea, sounds good, I'll try to see how that might work out. But for the ''other'' table, you accidently removed the expandable part (more or less), there wasn't a hidden anti-javascript agenda or something, right? (I know that HTML tags look weird—it's a workaround because for some reason, using * will always push everything down to the next line; so I'd prefer to restore that.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Hiding the ''entire'' table isn't generally the smart thing in any case. If you're going to collapse a table, you can generally just do it right on the table in question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

== Z-Moves ==

I made a template at [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Z-Moves]] to assist with accessibility for Z-Move pages, similar to the "Variations of _" on a lot of move pages. I was wondering if it's ok for me to mainspace it and put it on all the Z-Move pages. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:05, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Lemme just ask, do you care if I (fairly) radically change the style and then mainspace it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::No, I don't mind. Go ahead! --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::It looks awesome, thanks man. But I really think that having an MS for the species Z-Moves would be beneficial. Is there any way we can still implement it? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::They are pretty. But they make that part relatively big too. I don't think it's so bad since it's all summarized on the [[Z-Move]] page too already. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

==Aether House==
If you don't like my edit, find some other way to deal with '''misleading''' information that could give people the wrong idea of when Porygon could be collect. I am stating this from an intelligent standpoint, not to show any rudeness. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Never mind, did not see that. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

==RE:Moving pages==
Can you move the page [[Gracidea (Sinnoh)]] to [[Gracidea Garden]]. After duscussion and waiting a long time, other users agreed and no one opposed the move. See [[Talk:Gracidea (Sinnoh)]] for further details. Or can you contact an Editorial Board member, as said on the [[Bulbapedia:Editorial Board]] page. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 19:18, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Verity Lakefront ==

You changed [[Verity Lakefront]]'s text box back to a default text box after I changed it to a route text box. It is stated in the [[list of routes]] on Bulbapedia that the [[Sinnoh]] lakefronts are routes. It even says on the [[lakefront]] page of Bulbapedia that the lakefronts are routes. The three lakefronts are routes, thus deserving a route text box. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 22:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:"List of routes" is not the criteria for deciding whether a location should have a "route" infobox. I'd be hard pressed to define exactly what those criteria are because there ''are'' a few places that are not numbered routes where we use a route infobox (and I'm OK with those), but if you want me to, I can try to figure out what the specifics are/should be. For now, though, please trust me that the lakefronts are regular locations, not routes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::The [[lakefront]] page also states that these areas are [[route]]s. Also, if these lakefronts don't get route infoboxes, then why does [[Spring Path]] get a route infobox? The lakefronts are much more like routes, for most of the lakefronts actually have [[tall grass]]. Spring Path is such an obscure location. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 22:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::To attempt some loose/theoretical explanations, "Spring '''Path'''" closely suggests something like a route, so it was perhaps easy to just put Route infobox there. A "lakefront" sounds more like a simple location, however.
:::This is not strictly justification, but, again, explanation for the current state of things (i.e., a basic answer to your "why"). The presence or absence of tall grass also doesn't really make or break a route, because plenty of locations (like the lakes themselves) have grass, and some routes don't (e.g., [[Kalos Route 1]]).
:::Sort of like I said above, it may be that we should solidify some criteria for what locations deserve Route infobox and which ones deserve Infobox location.
:::Let me ask (and try to answer this as earnestly as you can): why exactly did you change the template? Was it strictly because there was a '''route''' infobox template, and those pages weren't using it even though that's what you thought they were? Or was it more because you wanted to see the connecting locations like routes show them (and thankfully for you, the lakefronts are identified as "routes" in some places)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Another path in [[Sinnoh]], called [[Seabreak Path]], is a path and is considered a [[route]], similar to [[Spring Path]], yet Seakbreak Path doesn't get a route infobox. Seabreak Path is also on the [[list of routes]] here on Bulbapedia. I may fix the infobox later, since Seabreak Path is considered a route and a "path." I adjusted the [[lakefront]] infoboxes purely because the lakefronts are considered routes, and route infoboxes belong to routes. It makes sense to give a route an infobox literally called a "route infobox." I thought it was just common knowledge. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 00:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I also wasn't suggesting that '''all''' routes have [[tall grass]], but most of them do. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 00:58, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The contrast of Spring Path and Seabreak Path perhaps gives you your best answer: there probably wasn't any rigorous thought about it all. This is a public wiki. It can be easy for certain "habits" to start small and slowly spread, very possibly via different people, and without perfect rhyme/reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Do you approve of my change of the [[Seabreak Path]] infobox? --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 01:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm basically leaving it all alone at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Another template I thought might be useful ==

I'm not sure if there's a need for it, but I made a template [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Spritebox/MS/1]] for menusprites to be used in the sprites section of a Pokemon. I was thinking there would be another for Gen IV, Gen V, Gen VI, and Gen VII Pokemon. This one would be used for Gen 1-3 Pokemon. Is there any that needs to be changed and would there be a need for it in the mainspace? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 21:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:I just realized... Would there be any way to do Gen I and Gen II menu sprites? I know that there are just general sprites like "Ball" and "Quadruped". --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
::Just so you both know, the old menu sprites and their Pokémon are listed [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Original era menu sprites|here]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 22:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:::This is awesome! I'll try to add this in. {{unsigned|Celadonkey}}
::::All updated! Thanks. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 23:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Maybe.
:::::One problem about the template is that it basically requires changing when there's a new generation, when it's generally been our goal recently to avoid that in templates with such wide use as all Pokemon.
:::::You can keep it around, but it's not something that can be signed off on easily given its wide effect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::True, true. Is there any way I can rework this so that it would not have that problem? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If you want to try, you're welcome to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Alright, but how would I go about doing that? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't know how much you know about templates, but if you need to, I'd suggest checking out your welcome template links or introductions on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Then, you can try looking at what we do with other templates that are designed to avoid this, like dex, availability, and sprites on Pokemon pages.
:::::::::Beyond that, I don't know how to tell you exactly what to do without just as well doing it myself (which I won't). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:21, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I had an idea... What if there were templates for each box I already have (for example, a Gen I menu sprite template) and then those templates would be put together on a "master template" of sorts to be used on the Pokémon's page to make the full chart? This way, instead of all of the templates being modified every time a new generation comes, the sub templates would be adjusted appropriately, or if a new gen has completely new menu sprites, a new sub template would be created and added to the master template. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Actually, it might be a better idea to build the sub-templates on the Pokémon page itself instead of using a master template, because with a master template, we'd need different master templates depending on the game the Pokémon was introduced in - a different template would be needed for Bulbasaur and Dedenne, if that makes any sense. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

== Does this count? ==

I found a way to make Rockruff's Pokédex Entry from the anime Japanese. The translation in also there. does this count? {{unsigned|Hamfart}}
:I don't think we add dex entries until they're dubbed. On that understanding, I don't think it should be added.
:However, I don't really know the anime. You may wish to direct your question to a staff member who's more familiar instead. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== Archives ==

Am I allowed to move my archive back to my own page? I archived my talk page for no reason and want it back to my regular talk page. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:If your new page hadn't really been touched, that might be an interesting question, but since it has, it's kind of too late to ask. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, rats. So I can't copy the code from the archive and place it at the top of my talk page? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::That entirely defeats the purpose of maintaining the history. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah, alright. Thanks anyways. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

== Weather Trio ==

The page [[Weather trio]] should be moved to Super-ancient Pokémon, an official term. It's been discussed on the talk page since early 2015, but we haven't gotten any response from the staff, but yet... Ataro has made a page [[Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)]]. Can it be moved? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:It sounds to me like you want to talk to Ataro rather than me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::I dunno, I know that the comics are Ataro's thing and this isn't really a comics thing. I may bring it up to SnorlaxMonster, or someone. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 02:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Gen VII Images ==

Hey, I was wondering about how to upload images to the [[Bulbagarden Archives|Archives]]. I have a few images for moves from [[Generation VII]], and I am unable to upload them to the Archives. It says I'm not yet a confirmed user. I saw that you are active on the Archives, so I thought that you might know how to upload these images. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 03:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:The Archives has an {{bp|autoconfirmed}} status similar to Bulbapedia. The long and short of it is, if you look around (which may not be an entirely trivial task, but also isn't impossible), you should be able to find some things you can edit/improve on the Archives to earn that status and be able to make uploads.
:That said, do be aware that, in order to upload images from 3DS games, you [[a:Archives:Messages from the Council#November 9|have to have permission]] first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Which page to put name locations on ==

Hey there! You recently reverted an edit I did to the Gen II base stats structure page, citing that information of default names for Pokémon doesn't fit there (presumably as it's not part of the 32-byte structure). So as not to get in an edit war, I figure we'll hash it out before doing anything. I'd argue it ''does'' fit on the base stats structure page, as it - as all the other properties on the page - is something common to and used for all Pokémon of the species. I'd go as far as to say the page shouldn't be about one single data structure (which the page title doesn't really imply, after all), but rather the how base stats of the Pokémon are stored in general.

Putting it on the character encoding page, as you suggested, makes no sense at all: the name data has nothing to do with the encoding of the characters at all, and isn't used in any related contexts. Seeing as the name data is used when creating a Pokémon and on summary screens, just like the rest of the base statistics... I'd say that's the best place. Not putting it anywhere isn't an option either, as that'd simply be withholding potentially useful information, which we of course don't want to do. What do you think? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 23:27, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
:Like you say: the list of names is very plainly a '''very''' different thing from the list of base stats. You're grasping at reasons to shoehorn that list into the page, when the only truly logical approach is to limit it to a single, readily identifiable structure. Based on what you're saying, we may as well have Gen III's base stats structure and Pokedex data structures on the same page; they're at least based on the same indices, which is ''basically'' equivalent to your argument for the list of names.
:The best thing you could really argue for would perhaps be a ''different'' page altogether, one that could reasonably mention all the data relating to species. That seems like a bit of a weird idea to me, though, so I'm very unsure how such a page would be made, personally.
:Anyway, I don't see the base stats structure page as being an appropriate place for it at all. If you have any better suggestions, I'm all ears. I'm basically okay with just saying it fits nowhere and removing it altogether if you think that's best, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

::Sorry, I don't at all follow your extrapolation here. Not sure where the "like you say" part comes from, either - I'm not "grasping", it's quite logical. Here's an a bit more structured summary of how and why they strongly relate:

::* The "base stats" for a Pokémon is data that's used in any combination of a few ways. Not all of them have to be true for a point of data to be considered "base stats", as is apparent from their inclusion in the main structure. The ways are:
::** '''Informing choices when constructing a Pokémon''' (wild held item, gender ratio)
::** '''Basic, unchanging values for how the Pokémon acts''' (types, base stats, egg cycles, dimensions of sprite, growth rate, egg groups, TM/HM flags, catch rate, Exp. yield)
::** '''Basic, unchanging values used on the Pokémon's summary screen''' (types, base stats, dimensions of sprite)
::** And yes, even '''used in the species's Pokédex entry''': the sprite dimensions byte.
::* In comparison, the default name of a Pokémon is used in the following ways:
::** '''Informing choices when constructing a Pokémon''' - all wild Pokémon get their names from the list.
::** '''Basic, unchanging value for how the Pokémon acts''' - if the Pokémon's name differs from the species, it is considered nicknamed, which has an effect when the Pokémon was received in a trade.
::** '''Basic, unchanging value displayed on the Pokémon's summary screen''' - the species name is simply displayed under the nickname.
::** In addition, it is just like the sprite dimension byte '''used in the species's Pokédex entry'''.

::That's 4/4 of the purposes filled.

::It's not really possible to, as you did, extrapolate my argument to combining the Pokédex data (which I was looking at just earlier today for Gen II; should make a nice new page) page with the base stats structure page, as the Pokédex data has no actual impact on the Pokémon. If you edit the Pokédex data, all Pokémon of that species look and act the same, with no difference even to the summary screen. Of course, as I mentioned, "removing it altogether" is ''not an option'' - skipping out on providing real information, even if it were to prevent meta-level "shoehorning" (which I really do contest), goes against the very purpose of a wiki. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 01:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::You're talking about base stats as a very abstract concept.
:::The page [[Pokémon base stats data structure in Generation II]] is explicitly about a specific structure, about a contiguous set of data (a list) with entries corresponding to different Pokemon.
:::The list of names is a WHOLLY different list. It's not logical to conflate both of those things on a page called "Pokémon base stats data structure". It's TWO structures.
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::: They're two different contiguous data masses in memory, sure, but they're used in the same contexts. I say "Pokémon base stats data structure" can just as well mean "the structure of Pokémon base stats" (which may well include "the data is structured as part of these two parts of memory") as it can, as you assume, "this specific contiguous structure type in memory". Very logical, all in all.
:::: Really - the page in question is the absolute best fit for information on this, hands-down. I'd say it's a really good fit, but even if you don't agree with ''that'', you'd be hard pressed to find a page where it would fit better. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The page isn't about context. It's about a specific data structure. The one on the page. Not the list of names.
:::::...I'll go ahead and ask (even though the answer would seem obvious if you're delving this stuff at all): Do you have any experience with computer programming? Because as someone who does, I can tell you, the page title just is NOT interpretable the way you want it to be. (And those pages are by their very nature incredibly technical, meaning that is the most reasonable way to interpret it.) It's one structure. Not anything kinda with the same feel. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I am a programmer. And I really, really, don't appreciate the condescending tone you're taking. That someone doesn't agree with you does ''not'' mean they don't understand. Frankly, the fact that you choose to ask despite saying "the answer would seem obvious" tells me the entire point of the question is to be condescending, which... well, I'm not going to dignify that with further argument.
::::::Now that that's out of the way: I'm definitely qualified to say that yes, it is interpretable that way. Obviously it is, since I'm interpreting that way. It seems to be subjective, though, since you don't agree - you're taking it as a "data structure" (as what you'd call a struct in C, for example), but seeing as the page is called "Pokémon base stats data structure" and not "'''The''' Pokémon base stats data structure", it may just as well be taken as "the structure of Pokémon base stats data".
::::::You seem to be dodging a certain question a bit: what page makes for a better fit than that one? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 02:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I absolutely don't claim to always be the most politic, but I certainly don't mean to be condescending. Mostly I'm just frustrated by your views when it seems so obvious to me. I'm sorry if that comes off wrong.
:::::::I'm not dodging any question: I ''put'' it where it better belongs. (As you said, you disagree. I guess I didn't see any point in going into that part more; I wanted to focus on what I ''expected'' would be a more fruitful direction...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::So, first of all - how come you get to decide where it "better belongs"? Probably because you're a junior admin, huh.
::::::::In any case, I definitely oppose it being on the character encoding page. The character encoding is used for the names, sure, but it's also used for ''everything else'' in the game. If you put info on the species names there, why not put info on all the locations and structure of dialogue? For the Pokédex descriptions? For the list of items, the list of moves, the list of abilities, the list of trainer types? Because the contents of those have nothing to do with the character encoding except being encoded with it, just like the list of species names. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 07:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

{{indent}}Like I said right off the bat...if you want to offer a third solution for where it belongs, I'm all ears. When people have differing opinions, that sort of thing is ''always'' a great option if at all possible. You've spent a lot of bytes trying to "prove" your opinion above when I already suggested to you a third option. By all means, try creating some user page to try to address it. I certainly see the point of your complaint; ''I'm'' not perfectly happy with it either, but it's better than the only other alternative currently. I would be very happy to have a third option. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::And what I'm trying to do is convince you that no, making a separate page is not reasonable at this time (which you've said yourself). However, it is much more reasonable to have it on the page where I put it than on the character encoding page. Do I simply not have a say in the whole thing? You moved it elsewhere, making my initial placement an impossibility? Is that really how it is? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 13:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::(Sorry to intrude on a talk page, but maybe it's helpful.) I think in an ideal world, we should have main "Data structures in Gen X" pages, with lots of sections that mostly link to the articles we already have, and with another section on the Pokémon names.
:::(Also, if you're interested in a second opinion: I believe if we link to it from the Pokémon structure page (much like we currently do), it should be... fine. Regardless of who is staff and who is not, I believe there are good reasons to not include it on either page, though.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::It's rather curious, LpSamuelm: you think I'm being (more or less) tyrannical, when you're basically asking the same for yourself. Do *I* have no say against what you want? We're two people. We want exactly different things. There's no "winner" in that equation. There's no reason you're more right than I am except that you're sure you are. The idea that this makes me unreasonable or what-have-you is nonsensical.
::::At any rate, I think we've pretty much reached the point where I ''am'' prepared to turn a little "tyrannical" and explicitly throw in the weight of my authority as a staff member. I've tried persuading you and I would have hoped you could see what was obvious to me; but I'm at a loss for what to do when you cannot see it, short of seeking staff opinion. "Luckily", I don't have to look far. =P This is truly what I think is best for the wiki:
::::* The data structure pages should as a rule only describe one structure. That is how those pages should be; not how you want to interpret them.
::::If you want to make a page that touches on more than one structure, get creative. Don't just say it's impossible. I'm '''certain''' you can make a page even if it looks a bit ridiculous. But you're not going to get anywhere so long as you keep thinking it's impossible and declining to even try.
::::It may be important to note that my word is not ABSOLUTE law. To be sure, I have some authority which should be respected. However, there are also {{bp|staff|many people above me}} who you may appeal to if you ever think I (or someone else) am terribly wrong in anything.
::::FWIW and perhaps obviously, I'd prefer if you just moved forward and either tried to work on a solution like I've suggested you can, or if you would just let it go and be productive in other ways. But I won't pretend there aren't other options. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

== Pokétch app icons ==

I get what you mean by your reasoning, but the thing is many [[Pokétch]] apps are already represented in the item lists of the locations they are obtained in by icons other than the Pokétch sprite, and have been so for years now. Some of them are icons of the Pokémon featured in their respective apps, so they make sense, but what I want to ask you now is that what do we do with this thing now? Do we replace all the app icons in item lists with the Pokétch icon, leave them how they are now and just try not to come up with any new ones, or something else? What do you think would be the best solution? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure what to think of those placeholders. When I first saw what you added to [[Sunyshore City]] it just looked wrong. After you've pointed out everything else, I look at, say, [[Pal Park]], and it doesn't seem so bad.
:But. There's also a simple enough solution. Just use the app images from the [[Pokétch]] page for the "sprites". Part of me was thinking for a while that that'd be best, if only! And then I realized we totally have those and we can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== Template edit request ==

In [[SM004]], the [[Rotom Pokédex]] gives a ton of new entries. Besides the obvious Pokémon entries, I chose to add the descriptions it gave about catching Pokémon and Pokémon Centers as well. The first one already had an entry way back in [[EP001]], so it's already been taken care of. However, the entry for Pokémon Centers still has a red link. Could you edit the Pokédex template to remove the red link? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:03, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:It appears to have been taken care of. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:29, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::Yup. {{user|Abcboy}} apparently took care of it before you could. BTW, as I checked out the Pokédex template out of sheer curiosity, I noticed a special entry tag (or whatever it should be called) reading "Togepi's power". I dug into Togepi's article history, and found out that that thing was used for Togepi's second AG entry at some point, but was already taken out in 2010, which was ages ago, but apparently the special note was never removed from the template. Just wondering that shouldn't something unnecessary like that be removed, even if it doesn't technically show up anywhere? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC) PS. Is the "Purpose" part in the template the same thing as "Dexter (purpose)", in other words, repetition and thus unnecessary as well?
:::The template is used on a large number of pages, editing it for something that's currently going to make zero difference isn't altogether wise, so for now it's just fine. (Try to always keep your signature last as well.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Understood. Maybe next time it's really necessary to edit it, that can be done too. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, that time seems to be now. The newest dub episode has two double entries, and the template needs editing once again. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:32, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::The next time you come upon a case that causes an explicit problem in a template like that, can I ask you to consider ''holding off'' on saving it with that problem? Try asking ''first'', so that you're not imposing a red link or something like that. Especially, there should REALLY be an option in {{template|Animedexbody}} that ''doesn't'' require updating such a heavily used template every time a new random odd case pops up. If we don't fix that soon, please try to keep that in mind and ask us BEFORE you use the template in an "unexpected" way again so that we can implement such a fix, which you can then freely use to use the template without problems.
::::::Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::So basically your point is, "Tell first, wait, and ''then'' edit". Gotcha. In that case, I'm now telling you ahead that I'm planning to split {{p|Yanma}}'s OS entry into the main entry and a section called "Yanma's attacks". Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you. I've updated the template. Where you'd put the 2nd parameter, you can now just put <code><nowiki>None|po={{p|Yanma}}'s attack</nowiki></code> (or whatever for anything else that pops up in the future). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you too. I've tested it out on Yanma's page, and it seems simple enough. So I was wondering, should ALL exceptions in Pokédex entries (i.e. all entries not about a Pokémon species) be replaced with this feature so that they don't need to be listed on the template itself, or should they just be left the way they are now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::You don't need to go out of your way, but if you're doing anything else at the same time and you want to redo it, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Would anyone know how to delete an account?[[User:Empoleon042806|Empoleon042806]] ([[User talk:Empoleon042806|talk]]) 15:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if we can delete your account if that's what you want, but we could probably block it indefinitely if that aligns with whatever reason you want it deleted for. If you're perhaps dissatisfied with the name you chose, it can be changed once. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

== Genderless vs. gender unknown ==

I can't find hide nor hair of the phrase "gender unknown" on any of our pages in regard to what you mentioned. If "gender unknown" is the new canonical term for it, shouldn't we change everything to use the correct term? If not, shouldn't [[cosmic duo]] use the same usage we use on every other page? Either way, we should be consistent with one term or the other, not a haphazard mishmash of whichever people feel like. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:I kind of meant you should talk about it "publicly" on the article's talk page, not come to me individually. I think that'd be more useful.
:(FYI, one thing I didn't have space to write is that I'm not rightly sure what makes genderless canon as you claimed. If you can specify the sources you were thinking of, I'd love to know it. Again, though, I don't mean here.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::(The source I was relying on was... the fact that we use the term and don't use a "fan name" template on top of its page. That's all... I'll bring it up on the [[genderless]] talk page, since that disambig seems to be the grandparent of anywhere that might be relevant.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== FP Increasing FC Costs ==

Really, you have to delete a important detail. It was part of a incomplete section. One of the reasons was: Needed Costs for all facility levels for introduction by visitors. Please re-add them.

[[User:Bluebird3639|Bluebird3639]] ([[User talk:Bluebird3639|talk]]) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:That information was actually there already. Nobody remembered about the incomplete template to update it, that's all. Nothing's been lost. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

==Ether==
Hey! Sorry, I was meant to put it in the edit summary, but Ether is the Japanese name and she's called Cherie in English. At least to my understanding, disambiguations don't count if it's the Japanese name and therefore there's no clash in terms of the article names. If not, I'm happy to be corrected.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:If someone's only heard the Japanese name, they could still search for that here, and then if there's no note they'd just be left confused. There may still be ways for them to find it, but that'd be relatively difficult especially if they're not super familiar with us/wikis. I imagine there's other examples of this being done but I wouldn't know where. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Move infobox and "flags" ==

Hey there! I believe you're still the flag officer around here? As you know, they're not exactly all perfectly accurate (as in, they're ''annoyingly'' deserted: half of our infoboxes have <code>mirrormove</code> incorrect, for example, but then there are none of the GenV+ "flags" I pasted on the talk of [[User:Tiddlywinks/Template:MoveInfobox|what I remember you were doing]]). I'm currently doing some related work there (which involves compiling lists of incorrect "flags"), and the more I do, the more I think this needs to be reformed rather radically. Before I go ahead, I want to ask: Do you have an opinion/plan on how to handle "flags" in infoboxes? Assuming there isn't something in the works already, could we (not necessarily just the two of us, but Bulbapedia as a whole) discuss (and eventually settle on) how to handle them? I believe this really needs some conceptual work before anything else (and it is about time!), that's why I'm coming to you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not really grasping what you're getting at. I guess that means no, I don't have any plan or anything. So in short: lay out your ideas. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
::Continued [[Template talk:MoveInfobox#Flag reform|here]]. Note that I added some more "flags". [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Pulse/Wave ==

'''はどう''' is translated as ''Wave'', same as the japanese version of ''Aura'', Lucario's power.--[[User:Martianmister|Martianmister]] ([[User talk:Martianmister|talk]]) 07:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
:Pulse is equivalent. Especially since they were translated in English as "pulse", it's fine to use that in our translations as well, rather than just take the lazy/mechanical route of obeying whatever Japanese-English dictionaries say. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== About the underlevelled Pokemon page ==

I saw that the pictures have been removed and I completely understand why they have been removed. But although an odd question but is SpriteIt still active on Bulbapedia? Because his most recent contributions and activity from what I'm aware of dates back to 2016 at latest. I'm asking as I'm not sure if I will be able to contact SpriteIt regarding his page for permission to have the template modified. If you know any way to contact him it would be great if you could tell me how so I can ask about the change in template. Although preferably it would make the page look better with pictures, if not having them is what he wishes than I'm completely fine either way.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:36, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:My removal of the column is entirely about what I think, not SpriteIt. That table is much too busy for a huge picture of the Pokemon's artwork. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::Cheers for the advice from my talk page.
::Fair enough about the table being too busy for a picture of the Pokemon's artwork.
::Also would it be better to remove the "Picture" column since there are multiple methods of obtaining an underlevelled species of a Pokemon along with the fact that it never was really used to begin with?
::Also if the "Picture" column is removed could I bring back the "Artwork" column? This is since the "Picture" column was never really used to begin with while the added "Artwork" column was used so in my opinion it would make sense to replace the picture column with an artwork column.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't really know how Picture would be used. I think if it gets to where it ''might'' be mainspacable, removing it can be considered, but until then, I'd rather give SpriteIt as much time as possible to respond to the page being edited and give any input (even if it just ends up being "Do whatever").
:::Like you said, the Picture column wasn't really used so even removing it doesn't really change a thing about the rest of the table. The artwork is still relatively huge and everything else relatively busy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Hey I know this is old and most likely this will not be approved but this is why I'm asking here first:
::::Would I be able to make my own Underleveled Pokemon page so I would be able to add my own information and change the template? This is so I can modify the page without distorting SpriteIt's original page format. Also from that page I'm only taking the information I have added there(it's still going to be on the original page however).
:::: If I can't make my own page then is there a way I could contact SpriteIt regarding the page? This is so I can discuss about modifying the original page and get his input before doing anything major since I'm not sure if he goes on Bulbapedia still.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 11:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::The userspace exists for a reason, and we welcome users making use of it to try to develop new pages. If you want to move it in a new direction, you're more than welcome to make a page in your userspace to play with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cheers! I assume I can get the stuff I added from the other page and make a different template?[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 13:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm a bit confused. But I don't think there's a lot of ways you can go wrong. Just dive in, get to it. If there's any issues, we can all figure it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

== Accuracy vs. evasion ==

I had believed you knew this all along, way before I realized it, but now I'm better safe than sorry: As accuracy and evasion stat stages are combined to ''one'' multiplier (Gen III onward), nothing can modify one but not the other. Or, in other words, "boosts its evasion by 25%" is another way to say "decreases accuracy of attacks targeted at it by 4/5". It's shorter and probably more intuitive/natural, but it doesn't allow us to be consistent, nor to link to one of the three consistently (and I understood that you preferred <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code>). (It's also a little less precise technically/mathematically, I guess, but I think that really shouldn't matter.) More or less, I believe we (and UPC) are using "accuracy" (or <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code>) as the generic term that encompasses both "accuracy"s and evasion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:I don't like leaving these things implied and ripe for misunderstanding, so I take it you're responding to the edits to {{a|Snow Cloak}}.
:Second: you're talking about stat stages, but Snow Cloak doesn't affect stages, it's just a multiplier. ...Perhaps you understand this, but that's not clear to me, and it did (plainly) confuse me.
:You do have a point that accuracy and evasion reduce to the same, ill-defined "stat" after stat stages are applied. (If we go by [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-diamond-version-pearl-version-and-platinum-version-accuracy-check.html UPC for DPPt], all multipliers come only after stat stages are resolved.) I.e., at a technical level, you can't really say whether a multiplier affects accuracy or evasion.
:So I think how we should handle it is that, in any cases where a multiplier nominally "affects" the user of a move, that affects their accuracy (like {{a|Hustle}} or {{a|Compound Eyes}}), while a multiplier that nominally affects a Pokemon that is the target of a move (like {{a|Snow Cloak}} or {{m|Gravity}}) affects evasion. This may be what the descriptions for those Abilities try to follow, but we may have gotten too concerned with the wrong things in some places. (If there are any categories for these sorts of multipliers, the question of what's right for ''them'' becomes interesting. Likewise, the multipliers that are split between accuracy and evasion at [[Statistic#Stat modifiers]] become equally interesting.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::I can't tell what your first sentence means, but my post was motivated by [[Special:Diff/2637785|you asking for proof it affects something other than accuracy]] (which could have been either an educational, rhethorical statement; or you being unaware that that's not really possible).
::I believe I understand the difference between stat stages and the rest. What I wanted to make you aware of is: Accuracy and evasion have ''a single, combined table lookup'' (unlike say Atk and Def).
::For things that do affect stat stages ({{m|Double Team}} etc.), we obviously need to refer to that stat whose stages are affected. For everything else, I guess we have some freedom, and I believe we're currently consistently saying "increases/decreases <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code> of moves [against it] by factor/percentage" (see {{a|Tangled Feet}}'s edit history).
::Both ways of saying it have their drawbacks (as I said above). I guess it's a matter of philosphy/ideology, and of where we want to link to. I believe either way is okay. It's just that whenever UPC etc. say "multiplies accuracy of attacks against it by 4/5", we're free to reword it to "boosts evasion by 25%" if we desire, because it's really the exact same thing.
::(As a side note: for Gravity and {{weather|fog}}, we can say both "affects accuracy/users" or "affects evasion/targets" even ideologically. Official wording from Gravity's effect apparently is neutral: "Moves are more likely to hit for five turns.") [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
:::(I can't tell how the stages are really related to anything in particular here... So I'm just going to plow ahead until it becomes clear that I did miss something.)
:::I think "where the multiplier comes from" is an eminently reasonable distinction. If it comes from the target's "condition" (like Tangled Feet), that's their "evasion" that's affected; if it comes from the attacker, it's "accuracy".
:::Gravity and fog are more field-wide effects, but I think we still can and ''should'' consider them '''logically'''. As far as Gravity, it should be pretty clear logically that gravity hampers a target's evasion. Fog should likewise logically affect an attacker's ability to ''aim'' (their accuracy). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::::That's a reasonable philospohy/ideology, in my opinion. (And for anything not called Gravity or fog, in-game descriptions may be unambiguous anyway.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

== Teleport ==

Hey, could you maybe elaborate on why [[Special:Diff/2641360|my edit]] apparently didn't adress my concern, or shifted the problem? (I guess you realized: my concern is that it sounds like "wild mon" takes precedence over Mean Look etc.) I've looked at my screen for minutes, but I really can't seem to find it. I'd like to "fix" it, which really... doesn't make sense when I'd be trying to just repeat my earlier edit!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:I might have actually missed or mistaken the "wild" part at the beginning. It was still densely worded, though. It's kind of annoying, because if this were the effect when the move was intro'd, you'd say "Teleport causes the user to flee. It can fail depending on the user's level and because of trapping moves." without having to worry about, "Wait, you can't say 'always'." Being a change like this makes it hard to do smoothly (because I would have said the original way was basically easiest/fine). But I've tried to communicate the same thing more smoothly all around now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. I really do try to find concise wording, but sometimes I apparently just lack the sensitivity, the ability to realize it is overly worded, so I appreciate any simplification you're able to provide.
::In the meantime, I'll be thinking about starting a petition urging for Game Freak to not do bugs, because it's really annoying for us to represent them. Seems kinda selfish. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I saw Looker having a separate quote page ([[Looker/Quotes]]) and wonders on the full requirements of having to create a new page? I was editing Lillie's quotes and the whole thing took to 97.1KB. As for Looker, because since it's from many games, so I assume the full requirements are that the quotes must be very long and the character must have appeared in several games in order for a new page to be created? Also would "Upon being defeated" and "After battle" makes more sense? Or if "After battle" could mean even if you lost? Thirdly, if I were to create my own "User:Ruixiang95/..." on the ghosts appearing in the Pokémon games, which I doubt will be mainspaced at all, will that be a breach of the website's policy? Thanks! — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 11:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC), Edited: 11:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
:There aren't specific requirements for splitting quotes, but you're right, it probably shouldn't be split if they're only in one game or generation.
:I almost like "After battle", but unfortunately it probably is a problem that it sounds like it applies even if you lost the battle.
:We're more than happy for users to use the userspace to try out pages that they think would improve the wiki. You can include the {{template|mainspace}} template at the top, and when you think you're all done, you can add the parameter "status=complete". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Vandal ==

[[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Poke_bulba_321&action=edit&redlink=1]] Whom you reverted will not stop. Should we block? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

== ability3 field in Template:Pokémon/7 ==

The field to list a third possible ability for [[Template:Pokémon/7]] (and Pokémon/6) was way overdue, so I prototyped a version that accepts 3 abilities. The only difference between this version and the current one is the line that handles the ability fields.

* Updated template: [[User:TehPerson/Pokémon/7]]
* Test cases: [[User:TehPerson/Tests]]

Please let me know if you have any feedback. Thanks!

[[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:We're not eager to add another conditional in a template that already has plenty, especially when you want to use it on so many pages that use the template so much. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::So is there some technical-related issue with this, or this being something too low priority to consider? [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 17:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::...It's exactly as I said. Let me put it less ambivalently. We will not be updating the template for that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

== Intervention, please? ==

Do you mind intervening on [[Cress's Panpour]], please? [[User talk:Pikablu|Pikablu]] refuses to listen to me when I point out that the trivia they added break policy, and they're persistently edit warring to reinstate the trivia. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

== Template questions ==

Hey, I've got a few questions regarding templates:
* Are we expected to avoid images in (high-use?) templates? Is there any (server-related) issues?
* Do you know whether the software evaluates all branches of ifs, and whatever will not display due to "display:none"? Or, in other words, is there a reason to nest ifs of subsets within each other (e.g., <code>if a<100 then ((if a<50 then x) y)</code> rather than <code>if a<50 then x; if a<100 then y</code>)?
* You seemed to be eager to wrap what currently is "display:none" entirely in ifs. I believe wiki syntax does not provide that functionality to wrap entire tables in ifs (expression error for me), but it may be possible with HTML. Is there a particular reason to try that (seeing how Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conditional_tables#Plan_C suggests] using "display:none")? (Possibly the above point!?)
Of course, it's related to [[User:Nescientist/Template:MoveInfobox|this]] (in particular, the damage category icons and the contest stats). Thanks in advance! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:Abstract issues don't always work well for me... What makes you apprehensive about images?
:Similar to above... I'm going to go with, I don't know, what's your issue?
:Firstly, Wikipedia doesn't exactly "suggest" display:none, it has it as an option (which perhaps notably comes ''after'' wrapping content in #if). I suggest it because display:none very explicitly ''hides'' content. Take a look at [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Cacophony_(Ability)]]: perhaps ''every'' species page links there because that's a default value in the Pokemon infobox, but it's hidden—it's still ''part of the page'', it's just not ''visible''. This is just, in general, a less than ideal problem (preferably only "valid" links would show up), but more to the point, there's cases where it can very explicitly cover something else you want to find. Suppose there's a parameter that, if set, shows a line with a link to "page", and if it's not set, that's just hidden. Based on the output, you might imagine you could check What links here for "page" to see where the parameter is set, but in truth, it wouldn't be any use to you; and it should be. I couldn't say for what, but I'm fairly sure I ran into just that problem for something in the move infobox. (FWIW as well, instead of very obliquely referring to "You seemed to be eager", being very specific about exactly where you get something like that from can only help. At least, that's true for me. Even if I did—eventually—realize what you were talking about here.)
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
::It's because very few templates seem to make use of images/icons. For example, [[User:MisterE13/Villain templates|these]] look so much better than the current templates IMO, and also nobody seems to have added the category icons to the move infoboxes although they existed way before the template was designed, and that made me wonder whether that's due to images (in templates) stressing servers or anything. I [[User talk:Nescientist/Template:MoveInfobox|included them]], but if use of images were a reason to reject template proposals, that'd be good to know (in general/"abstract").
::Thanks, I didn't think of "What links here", I just thought of categories, and none were added in that "display:none" parts. But thanks for pointing it out—{{m|Floral Healing}}, for example, currently links to [[Appeal]], and it really shouldn't. So I shall try to avoid "display:none", even if that involves some HTML workaround I guess. (Correct?)
::Example is the contest data within the move infobox; if a move needs no "Contest Spectacular", it needs neither "Super Contests" nor "Contests" and so on. If the software was smart and only evaluated what it really needs to (much like most "normal" programming languages/parsers), in most cases, it would need to evaluate less parser functions if those were nested, it wouldn't need to query some color templates, etc. So, I shall try to have them nested I guess. (At least I can't see any real drawback, now that I need to wrap entire tables instead of simply using "display:none" anyway.)
::I parsed your intention from [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Template:MoveInfobox#To do|here]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's ''no'' case where images would be a problem, but I don't know how. In this particular case, if those icons ''would'' be any sort of problem, they'd be very simple to remove, so that certainly wouldn't be grounds to reject everything.
:::You don't need to use HTML—and shouldn't, really. We're a wiki. We can expect people to know/learn wikicode. HTML can only complicate things. Just stick with wikicode.
:::The only generic argument I could make about nesting would be readability (counting brackets is annoying). There's probably documentation that could tell you. I rarely have the stomach to really digest things as dense as that tends to be, though.
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
::::As I said, I believe the wiki syntax doesn't allow for wrapping entire tables in ifs (specifically, I'm having problems with the opening and closing <nowiki>{| and |}</nowiki>), so I would need to use HTML (<nowiki><table></nowiki>) as a workaround. I'll try to see if I'm mistaken and/or can make it work somehow. I know using HTML it's bad.
::::Exactly, yes. But I think it's minor, especially when I'll try to intend properly. (And I think expansion depth can be a problem, but only if we get like a dozen more contests.)
::::Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Just wanted to clarify that the wiki syntax ''can'' be used to hide entire tables. I was able to make it work without using HTML. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

== Z-Move Effect ==

Ok then, let's discuss: Why do you think the E should be lowercase? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:03, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:...I was the last one to say anything on [[Z-Move]]. And what I said seems basically clear enough to me. Either you have a response that will attempt to discount something I've said (and/or you'd like clarification on something), or we can only disagree. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think you discounted anything I've said, and yet you reverted. Why did you revert? (I don't think any of your statements is factually wrong, but I don't see how that makes you revert my edit.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::There's no solid reason to think that phrase should be in title case. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::But wouldn't that be the most logical assumption for a key term? And also, wouldn't title case require one or two additional assumptions, namely that the beginning of the "line" (what you see in the infoscreen; I know it's not literally a sentence) ''is'' in title case, and that the capitalization ''changes'' between title case and sentence case within that same line?
::::Or in other words: Is there solid reason to think the phrase should ''not'' be in title case? (Or even ''rather'' be not in title case?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:54, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::I'm really not sure what you think a "key term" is/why Z-Power Effect is such. "Z-Power effect" seems simply descriptive, not particularly "special" or anything (for any solid reason). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Oh, you didn't challenge that until now!? That is because I noticed that in German, it is one word "Z-Kraft-Bonus", which can hardly be purely descriptive, and is different from [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/de-de/z-moves/ the website's] actual description (which is something with "Effekte"). Also, as it's in front of a colon, it's quite explicitly summarizing/shortening what it "describes"; it's designed to be to the point. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:43, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If you want me to have challenged it being a 'key term', I'm don't know how I should have done that when, again, I still don't know what you think that is and when this is furthermore the first time you've mentioned it.
:::::::I absolutely don't know enough about German to say much about that term, but I do know that all German nouns are capitalized. By that, I'd be very hesitant to infer too much from the German. As for it being in front of a colon, you're making a big assumption by inferring anything from the capitalization there; being explicitly set off, there's no telling ''how purposeful'' that capitalization is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:28, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Haha, of course I don't want you to challenge something I would eventually say. But what I mean when I say "it's a term" is that, well, it is an official term, official terminology, something that should be bolded and translated on the page; you didn't un-bold or doubt it was more than a pure descriptive sequence of words. (And with that German, I didn't mean to say anything about capitalization. It was an argument why it is a term, and not merely a pure descriptor.)

I know that it's technically an assumption to say "Z-Move Effect" is correctly capitalized this way. But in my opinion, it's actually way more of an assumption to say it should be "Z-Move effect" (because I guess terms are typically capitalized, because "Z-Move effect" requires the two additional assumptions I mentioned before, and because "Z-Move effect" just doesn't seem to be used anywhere official). If you really insist and disagree that it's a term, I guess we can agree that we disagree, and you would obviously have the right to make use of your Junior Adminship to overrule me if you wish—but then you should also de-bold and remove it from "In other languages". (But I honestly think I made rather strong arguments.)

But saying both "it's a term" and having it lowercase seems almost contradictory to me; I really hope that we will be able to adjust the article accordingly. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't have any particular opinion either way on this, but let me just point out that there are plenty of "terms" that we translate and use bold but that are officially lowercase. There's a whole list of them at [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax#Capitalization]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, and/but I think we have them that way exactly ''because'' they are not capitalized in sentence case (despite being terms). But either this one is, or (we're assuming) it's in title case ''and'' capitalized (only) because of that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::The plain fact is, there is no context where you can guarantee that "your" capitalization is intentional. Uppercase is plainly a ''special'' thing; it is not something you assume by default. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah really? Okay, I thought one would assume that by default (for a term, or a Pokémon term). In that case, even though I would still prefer to have it capitalized based on my arguments, I guess it's not as crystal clear as I initially thought. I don't care too much then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

== Talk ==

So like four people get involved and I'm the only one in trouble? Really fair treatment here. So glad we have admins to make this place so much more inviting and remove all the information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
:Frankly, you were the one most obviously egregious when I saw it. So I did your message first. (After the page itself.) Beyond that, I have various concerns that are not all limited to this site. Try to avoid jumping to conclusions. Or at very least, if your "unfair treatment" is really your concern, be earnest about that (for example, pointing out politely and reasonably the people you think also warrant some sort of messsge); if all you're gonna do is drawl sarcasm at me, you're not putting yourself in any good light. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

==Thoughts==
I know you might not care too much about this, but I wanted to ask about the Mystery Dungeon item pages since we've discussed it (a little) {{DL|User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3|before}}. I've made a page for [[User:Wowy/Throwing item|throwing items]] where I've split the page into each game. The advantage is that the template doesn't become too complex and ugly, and you can write information specific to each game (e.g. IQ skills). Another advantage is that the item "stick" changed its name to "wooden spike" (both English and japanese) (I am assuming they have the same effect with just a different name). So sorting it out by generation would mean that the 'same' item isn't duplicated twice. The disadvantage is that you can't compare the changes that have been made over the different games, and also when someone searches "Geo pebble", I think the search would only land on the page and not on the exact item. I tried to make a page for throwing item because it's relatively sparse, but I don't want spend time making any changes to big pages such as the [[Wonder Orb]] page before approval. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry I haven't been able to figure out what to say sooner...
:Can you give any examples of where you think an item gets complex besides regarding buy/sell prices? (I don't really know what you mean when you mention IQ skills above either, and I don't think I see anything about that on your user page.) For the most part, it seems to me like, since the template is meant to handle multiple games, it seems best to use it like that (aside from how messy the prices get). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::A slow response is better than no response! And I also don't know what the best way is, and it's fine if we end up leaving it as it is. But if you take Wonder Orb as an example of a list getting complex, some orbs are available in all the games (e.g. Slumber Orb), some are available only in a RBTDS (e.g. Silence Orb), and some only in GTI (e.g. Notice Orb, well I haven't found it yet in SMD and there are no reports of it online) etc. Like the throwing item, some items also changed names (e.g. Foe-Evolution Orb --> Enemy Evolve Orb). So for anyone playing just one of the games, the list gets confusing as to which one is relevant to your game or not, until you open each table. I guess you could argue that the page is just a list of all the orbs in all the games, but maybe the page should strive to do more than that (maybe?).
::When I mentioned the IQ skills, what I meant was when you open the "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team" tab, then you can see a mention of IQ skills since that info is relevant to that game, while when you open the "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity" tab, you can see a mention of Team Skills since that info is relevant to that game. So you can put information relevant to that game under each tab rather than having it all at the top of the page.
::Whatever happens, thanks for you thoughts! I'll keep them in mind. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I've been advised that a compromise could be grouping games. Like sections for "Only in [RB]", "In [RB and TDS]", "In all games", etc as required. That way you'd still have only one template for each item.
:::I don't know what to say about ones like Foe-Evolution Orb --> Enemy Evolve Orb except that it's arguably working alright as it is now on Wonder Orb, with just separate templates for each name. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Ok, that sounds good in theory, but it ends up with too many arbitrary sections: "Only in [RB]", "[In RB and TDS]", "[In RB, TDS and GTI]", "[Only in TDS]", "[Only in GTI]", "[Only in SMD]", "[In all games]", and would separate similar items that should be grouped together (e.g. Stick, Silver Spike and Iron Thorn are obviously counterparts with different strength, but Silver Spike would come under "All games", while Stick and Iron Thorn would be classed as "In RB, TDS and GTI"). If that's the case, I'm more than happy to keep the MD item pages as it is now rather than make that change (it also doesn't solve the buy/sell price issue).
::::On another note, should Foe-Evolution Orb and Enemy Evolve Orb be listed together on the same template since the Japanese names are the same, while Stick & Wooden Spike, Iron Thorn & Iron Spike be listed separately since they have different Japanese names and so are distinct items?
::::And thank you, I appreciate your responses! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 01:28, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Are those arc/straight categories a strong in-game distinction, beyond just ''how they behave'' when they're used? If not (and possibly even if they are), then you ''could'' forego those sections. There's only three arcing items, I think it would be fine then to just talk about the different behaviors and highlight the three arcing items at the top of the page or something.
:::::Strictly speaking... Yeah, the Foe/Enemy Evolution Orb should be in a single template, basically like {{DL|Status condition healing item|Paralyze Heal}}. On the other hand...that unfortunately brings about a similar sort of problem as you mentioned before, since the closed template doesn't display the note about the previous name. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay, how does the [[User:Wowy/Throwing item|page]] look now? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Did you misorder the Rare Fossil and Gold Thorn in the TDS section? Seems good to me otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Magikarp ==

I had believed it was rude of you to just undo the entire edit when I thought you seemed to be adamant to keep that section clean, and wanted me to possibly move it elsewhere. However, if your problem was not ''where'' it was added, but ''that'' it was added at all, I believe it's just as rude. By now, it should be clear that I (currently) disagree. Either way, please feel free to outline your rationale.

(As an aside, I believe it's quite striking you expect me to possibly start the discussion by undoing an edit, again. Or is this you exerting Junior Admin powers?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:I'm going to be honest... The argument you're attempting to make here simply makes no sense to me. You're thinking something that's just totally different than what I'm thinking.
:The situation is very simple. I saw you added something to Magikarp a earlier that didn't belong. You reverted my reversion and called my reversion rude. That makes no sense, and your simple reversion completely ignored the problem I pointed out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::Honesty is always good. I'm in.
::In my opinion, a simple undoing of an edit (that is within the MoS) is almost always some kind of rude if that undoing is based on personal opinion only. Even moreso when the edit is not one word, but an edit the editor obviously spent time and thought to it. (I thought about it for several days, and it took more than half an hour to finally implement my edit.)
::...And it's more rude (and very striking) when the editor/edit attempted to solve an issue. Your reversion didn't address the problem at all. It just reinstalled it.
::What problem did you want to address in your edit comment? I understood that you wanted to make me (or everyone) aware of the fact that this should be about the species the article is about, not describe a game. I am aware of that, it's just that the game ''is'' about that species. The game is literally ''called'' the species—I can't do anything about that. What I did was focus on Magikarp appearing there (and I pointed that out in my reversion).
::(Just in case: The patterns are the most important part of it, in my opinion. I ''insist'' they need to be somewhere on the page.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I have to say... (With, for what it's worth, no offense intended.) It doesn't matter how much time you spend on an edit, if someone undoes that for what ''they'' think is a good reason, your investment/disappointment in ''no way'' justifies you automatically labeling it rude. Just because you put effort into something doesn't give it some magical protection.
:::You say I didn't resolve the problem you were concerned about. Fun fact: I don't really know Magikarp Jump. My intent was that someone who does should address that concern in a better way than your edit did. (This all comes around to: you're invested in this thing and feeling hurt about it. I won't say you can't be, but don't lay it all on other people. They don't have to have the same investment as you.)
:::You state the problem exactly, but declined to try to address it at all. There's a whole article for details of the game. Pumpkinking's edit addresses Magikarp's appearance about as deeply as (as near as I can tell) it needs to be.
:::And there's already an explicit place for sprites. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::I am in absolutely no way feeling hurt or something about ''my'' edit being removed. Simply removing that much value created focused at solving a problem (one we even agree on), is bad—regardless of who created that value. (And I didn't say that value gave it protection, or used it as an argument to "automatically" call it rude.) In short: Removing the entire thing entirely is certainly worse than what I did.
::::I know Magikarp Jump a bit. And/but I don't quite understand what makes you think my edit was bad. If you (have read my explanation above and) specified, I could try to address your concern. (Again, I focused on Magikarp ''in the game'', not the game itself.)
::::Are you suggesting to append it to the core games' sprites? I initially wanted to have the patterns near the prose explaining them, but I'm okay with your suggestion as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Call it what you want then, there is still no justification for calling a good faith edit "rude". Anything not to your liking is not "rude".
:::::I'm not sure why you're offering to address my concern when I've already said that Pumpkinking's edit is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay then, I misread that part. I'm fine with that as well, if we add the patterns (in prose and images). Would you please edit them in (or answer where I should put them)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I already said, if they belong anywhere, there's already a sprites section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I hope you already know this, but after reading this whole section again, I wish to very explicitly state/reconfirm that no offense was intended on my part either. I was not trying to attack you personally, and I hope you didn't draw that conclusion at any point. (I obviously suck at reading your mind sometimes.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

== Marowak ==

Based on your response to PlayerKing95's page what is your stance on the moves used in SM034?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't really follow the anime. I'll pass the question along. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

==Shuckle==
Thanks for dealing with the vandalism from Joel, hate things I like that.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:Meant to be I hate things like that.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

== RE: Encounter Edits ==

As I've been playing through the series gen by gen recently, I've noticed that the more recent gens are full of misinformation on encounters. Diamond/Pearl had a few apparent hiccups, but I'm running into them all over the place in Black/White. Serebii's database is even worse, listing pokemon in completely incorrect routes and areas. It's clear that the encounter rates thus far have all gone on people's experiences and nothing else. I'm just adding mine to the pool--and mind you, I'm changing nothing unless it's been hours upon hours and I'm absolutely, 100% sure.

If you want to dig up ROM data, by all means, feel free. It has not been done with this encounter tables. I don't have the time or interest in doing it, either--again, I'm just adding my contribution to improve the tables. Even if it won't make them 100% perfect, it will be a step closer to perfect accuracy. If you want to make the tables LESS accurate by reverting my changes, I can't stop you; I went out of my way to improve the data, but if that generous act is not appreciated, I'm fine not bothering. [[User:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|- Xelrog T. Apocalypse]] ([[User talk:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|talk]]) 18:14, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

== Is corocoro also a forbidden source? ==

[http://i.imgur.com/RDIolxQ.jpg]

Because if it was, my edit was valid. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
:Can you read Japanese? If not, you're relying on Serebii's interpretation of what that scan says. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
::No, I can't. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

== M09 ==

Hello I would like to ask for a staff member's opinion on this. Frozen Fennec reverted me when I changed "most likely" to "may be" and said that "most likely" is fine, I think having "most" and "likely" makes those points too certain and I don't see what harm there would be in changing "most likely" to "may be". Please could you offer some input thanks[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 14:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
:We try to avoid personal opinions, which is what "most likely" is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you, I saw that you changed it.[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 19:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

==New editor==
[[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pokerman118933]] This new editor is spamming some strange link. Two of his eduts are hidden. Is this vandalism? And by the way, on the talkpage for [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] I posted a question but I am unsure if it belongs there. {{unsigned|RubyLeafGreenCrystal}}
:The user was dealt with.
:It seems okay.
:Also, please use the "+" button at the top of the page, next to "edit this page", to create a new section on a talk page, don't just put it at the end of someone else's section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

== Re:Anime moves ==

I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant or whatever by adding that {{m|Thunder Wave}} use. However, I would like to assure you that I've learned my lesson: I don't add too ambiguous moves without them being confirmed anymore. However, this case wasn't ambiguous at all in my mind: the animation used for the move was identical to the one used in the {{series|XY}}, you can check it out yourself if you want. A couple other users have also already left agreeing opinions to T-Wave's talk page. Do you give me the permission to restore my edit? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

== Type: Null at level 5. ==

(Without double-checking anything but our breeding page) Eggs hatch at level 1

Doesn't that prove my point? Other than Cosmog (who's obtained at level 5), everything that evolves can be bred and hatched, which makes Type: Null the only unevolved Pokemon unobtainable at level 5. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:34, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:So you mean by leveling up... That's not what obtainable should mean. And even if you find the right word, having to level up Pokemon makes it unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::There is clearly a misunderstanding here. What exactly do you think I'm trying to say? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:16, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what I said from the start... If Sandygast can be "obtained at level 5", then either it can be encountered in the wild and caught at level 5, or it can hatch at level 5. Neither is true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::I don't think the point is notable either, but perhaps what Unowninator intended was more like "the player can/cannot legitimately possess it at level 5". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: ^ Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for explaining Pumpkinking. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::In that case, my response here was understanding it just fine. You can only have Sandygast at level 5 after leveling it up, which makes it unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::What the hell does that have to do with anything? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:02, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::"You cannot legitimately possess it at level 5" is wildly aribtrary. If you can possess everything else at level 5 by leveling up but you can't possess Null lower than level 40, then why don't we just level up further and make it level 39, or ''everything'' from 1 to 39?
::::::::And why do we stop before Null's obtainable level? If we just go farther, then everything can be possessed at level 40-100. Yay?
::::::::Your line (and method) is arbitrary, formed to exclude Type: Null for no actually-good reason, it probably just "seems" right. It's not notable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::My reason was little cup, but since it doesn't really exist, why not bring up the level 40 thing? If that isn't notable, then why are these facts?
Of all the Pokémon that evolve by leveling up, Hydreigon evolves from its pre-evolution later than any other Pokémon, at level 64.
Out of all Pokémon that evolve by a set level, Larvesta evolves later than any other unevolved Pokémon, at level 59.
:::::::::[[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't know what "the level 40 thing" is supposed to be. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Basically of all unevolved Pokemon, it is obtained at the highest level. Everything else can be lower than 39, but Type: Null can only be at level 40 minimum because it can't breed. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
:Then just phrase it like that instead of going through a bunch of hoops to overcomplicate it. Something like ''Of all unevolved Pokémon, Type: Null has the highest minimum level at which it can be legitimately possessed: level 40'' seems, in my mind, to be more notable than dancing around the topic by bringing up Cosmog and level 5. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::Hang on, Unowninator, just because I said I ''personally'' think it's more notable than what you had before, doesn't mean Tiddlywinks will decide it's notable ''enough'' to keep. It's probably best to wait to add it until they approve/disapprove it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Type:_Null_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=215674&diff=2682162&oldid=2681962 *extreme facepalm*] Why does nobody understand me? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:18, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

== Video ==

I do not want to say it but if you pause at 0:25 of the video, it looks sha__. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:I still don't understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
::You will see a white menu in the bottom right corner. You know why now? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I see it. Please don't assume I can read your mind and keep asking me to guess. If you can't explain yourself, I won't understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
All right. I'll just ask if a white menu is possible on a gameboy. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:46, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
And if not, where can one be found on a gameboy game. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:I think they're trying to censor the word "shady" for some reason, and are pointing out that the video is taken of an emulated game (you can see a Windows right-click menu briefly at the point they mentioned). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

== Direct linking ==

Re: your discussion with Nescientist and the staff ruling that came out of it: Can you please have a word with FinnishPokeFan95? As you can see in their contributions history, they are edit warring on Berry pages to remove the redirect even though (as far as I understand it?) the outcome of that conversation was that those links should be redirects. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:My understanding is that there were two users seriously discussing, not that there was me and a staff member and a staff ruling. (However, there's reasons and arguments, and there's a policy to avoid edit warring, and a will to avoid useless edits.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
::When Tiddlywinks said they had been "advised" on the matter, I assumed it was from higher-up staff members, but yeah, perhaps I misinterpreted that. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

== Insignificant minor edits ==

(I have asked on SnorlaxMonster's talk page but gotten no replies, so...)
I wonder if these minor edits are necessary: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Scale&diff=prev&oldid=2700623 link 1], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Memory&diff=prev&oldid=2700622 link 2], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Fang&diff=prev&oldid=2700621 link 3]. They don't make any difference when you view them on the page. Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 22:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, I missed this before.
:"Necessary"? No. Personally, they are something I'd probably do myself if I was thinking about it while already doing something on the page.
:Your implication is that it should be stopped. If it was absolutely all someone was focused on, I personally ''would'' ask them to find more substantial edits to make (and have in some cases in the past). While at this particular moment it seems like GrammarFreak01 has done relatively a lot of that sort of edit in the past day, that doesn't seem to consistently be the case so strongly previously. It's still not ideal, but... For what it's worth, I can tell you that, as of yet, it doesn't seem to be weighing too heavily on anyone's mind on staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
::I see. I know it's supposed to do that while you are editing something else on the page, and not just specifically editing this part only. I remembered this sort of insignificant edits will clogged up the Recent Changes or something else. Since there's no worries about that, I guess I don't mind.
::Might as well ask this now also. Are the Rotom Adventures quotes needed to be added to the Rotom Pokédex page? ([[User:Ruixiang95/Rotom Pokédex/Quotes]]) — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 04:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Just to be sure I'm not missing something, you're talking about the Rotom from the Pokemon Adventures manga?
:::As far as I know, we don't do any quotes for anything but games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Nope, Video games. The message they show on the bottom screen as you travel in Alola. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 04:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Oh, just everything else beyond the dex stuff. I specifically refrained from that (or even adding an incomplete template) previously myself because I don't think it's necessary. Rotom's dialogue is a little bit like a walkthrough, I don't think it's worth much or adds much. And it's something for practically ''everywhere'', it'd be pretty huge. And then figuring out for ''each'' of those exactly when it occurs would be a huge pain too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

== Archive sandbox ==

Will you please archive the [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]? The maximum number of sections should be 60. [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 22:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:What do you mean the max should be 60? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:47, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::The ones including sub-sections. [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::That's not what I asked. I asked '''why''' you say it should be the max. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:40, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::::I actually agree. There's so much text & such on the sandbox that it causes my browser to freeze, so I can't even use it. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== That Rhydon thing. ==

How the hell is it excluding anything? The Psychic type thing excludes all other types, so why is that fine but not this? (I suppose I could just say highest attack of everything compatible with Eviolite, but I think the other way's better...) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:How is it excluding anything, you ask? The phrase "non-fully evolved" quite explicitly excludes fully evolved Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
::And Psychic types doesn't exclude all other types? I still think it's good trivia. Can we at least reword it? (Unfortunately, my best idea is using Eviolite compatibility) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:25, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Where do we draw the line? We've easily had "all but Legendaries and Mythicals", "all except Mega Evolutions", (all but Legendaries, Mythicals, and Megas; only Megas; only Legendaries and Mythicals...) "all starters", your "Eviolite users"...and that's just off the top of my head, there's probably several other "interesting" sets that have been on pages and plenty more beyond that if we just decided that anyone who wanted to could make up a set.
:::Let's also consider each of those sets I mentioned above: would it be okay to start talking about only the Fairy-types, Normal-types, etc among each of those groups?
:::What I'm getting at is that it's a lot of stuff, and all that just balloons. More than anything, it's hard enough keeping track of two broad categories (overall and by type)... (I'm pretty sure that when people started updating the best/worst trivia to account for Gen VII, they didn't pay any attention to the Pokemon that used to be "highest" or "lowest" and had now lost that status, thereby leaving old/incorrect trivia on a number of pages.) We don't need to worry about updating stats for a dozen different categories.
:::Even if you want to say, "Well, I think these four or five or so categories are okay and we won't allow ''anything'' else", it can be ''very'' hard to '''remember''' whether what someone added is actually in one of those categories, without referring to somewhere where it would have been stated out. Beyond that, it's not like there's a simple way to "agree" on which X categories we should have, either.
:::The short version is: we don't need a bunch of trouble for allowing all sorts of categories. We should keep it simple, and the most basic categories are just overall and by type. Easy to remember, easy to deal with... It's plenty. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Topps ==

Hi not trying to start an edit war but nowhere on the page does it describe all of the different printings. [[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 19:29, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
:What's not described? The logo colors are described. The finish is described.
:I was also just about ready to ask on your talk page: To me, it seems like the "2nd edition" set with a smooth finish that you described could easily fit the same case as what you called the "rogue" S1 set. Is there particular reason you think otherwise? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
::Everything is stated now but the topps logos and the 5th foil print were not stated initially. yes it could be called rogue as it was similarly not released in the U.S. but was produced here(at least as far as I can tell). So that terminology applies here as well. There are also packs of 5 and 8 for both logo colors. I also put in which set the promo was part of. [[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 19:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey I noticed some file names for the johto series 1 sticker set that were already uploaded are incorrect. 40 and 44 are swapped in the file name. I am unaware of how to fix this.[[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 01:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's interesting. I couldn't say why that happened or why I never noticed (and someone else had to fix it later on apparently)...
:Anyway, on the Archives, you can put the Archives' {{template|move}} template on the page so the staff there will know and be able to move it.
:As a note also, if you notice any images that are relatively low quality, like [[:File:Topps Johto 1 S45.png|Topps Johto 1 S45.png]], we'd be very happy if you are also able/willing to upload higher quality scans of those. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, I am willing to upload any scans of my cards. Do you have any pointers on how to spot lower quality scans? I know file size can usually be an indication but I also know that png images can be compressed with little loss.[[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 02:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't think images that are that colorful can be compressed incredibly much, at least not anywhere near the size of images with such lower resolution. It might be a bit tedious, but that means you could just check [[A:Category:Collectible cards|Category:Collectible cards]], find where the Topps cards start, and just check for small sizes.
:::You can also just check the user contributions of any person who you noticed has uploaded at least one LQ image. (It's a bit weird so you may not have noticed, but if you follow the link for S45/Steelix above and click "view on a shared repository" at the top of the page, it'll take you to the proper page on the Archives. On the Archives, you can see the user who uploaded it, LHakaLH in this case, and "contribs" will show their uploads and stuff.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

== some questions ==

hi. i'm not sure if you are the correct person to ask, but may i know how often does the admins reviews the articles in [[:Category:Candidates_for_moving]], and what is the procedure for moving of pages for admins? I suggested the renaming of [[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number]] to [[List of Pokémon by Unova Pokédex number (Black 2 and White 2)]] around 1.5 years ago. However, it had not been moved despite the hoenn and alola dex being moved to the format of "List of Pokémon by XXX Pokédex number (game)]]". I was told that admins will decide on the move after discussions, but most of the articles in [[:Category:Candidates_for_moving]] have no discussion at all, or the discussion only consist of the person who suggested it. Those that do have replies won't even last 5 people commenting on it. And the number of talk pages with the admins involved in the discussion is very minimum. It seems that
most of the pages in that category are just sitting there for months with no signs of any work to move or remove them from the page. May i have some enlightenment about the procedure, such as if the admins actually have their own private discussions about those pages, just that we won't know about it? i previously bring this up [[Talk:List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number (Sun and Moon)#rename|
on this talk page too]]. thank you for reading. If this is not the correct platform, please let me know the proper channel to enquire about it. Thank you again. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 07:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:To be honest, I believe discussion happens in an EB-exclusive venue, so I don't really know much to tell you myself about what kind of impetus there is or how it plays out or what.
:If you're worried about a particular page, it may be best to contact someone directly. That "a particular page" part may be important; I would suggest some moderation, not getting excited and asking for ''everything'' to be resolved at once. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you. the particular page is "[[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number]]". I feel that with the hoenn dex and alola dex being moved, i do not see the reason for the unova dex to not be moved to be consistent with the hoenn/alola dex page. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 03:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

== My confusion in regards to Grassy Terrain... ==

If Grassy Terrain is in effect, '''unless the target is in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move such as Dig''' or Dive, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude is halved (even if the user or the target is not grounded).

So basically, if I use Earthquake on something that used Dig, does it do a total of x1 damage (×1/2 from Grassy Terrain, ×2 from using Dig), or is Grassy Terrain's effect ignored when the Pokémon uses Dig, thus ×2? Does my question make sense?[[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
:The "×1/2 from Grassy Terrain" that you mention, you're supposing that comes from the sentence you've posted at the start? If so, that very sentence says that that 1/2 only is in effect IF the target is NOT using a move such as Dig. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, so the 1/2 is ignored and the total is ×2. I was just checking. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

== Necrozma DM DW ==

In Megalo Tower we have an box like this with Ultra Necrozma, and i think this is more convencional since Necrozma is not catchable and need to be defeated during this battles. [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) January 27, 00:03 (UTC)
:I fixed it. We do full battle templates for Trainers. Totem Pokemon get that treatment in Gen VII because the trials take the place of Gyms, but that's not what Necrozma is. If it's just part of the storyline, it doesn't warrant that. Otherwise it'd entail a '''lot''' more changes beyond just Necrozma. (This may be worth discussing—but my page isn't really the place for that). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

== BW142 ==

Could you please explain your edit to [[BW142]]? A Trainer can only carry six Pokémon at a time and Ash left more than six (Unfezant, Oshawott, Pignite, Snivy, Scraggy, Leavanny, Palpitoad, Boldore, Krookodile, and Charizard) at Oak's Laboratory. The "On hand" section on anime character pages always features up to six Pokémon. We use "In rotation" when Trainers are shown using more than six Pokémon. For reference, see the pages of May, Ursula, Nando, Virgil... --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 23:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
:I agree that's a better phrasing, so I've revised the page in hopes of it being able to stand as a compromise. I hadn't thought of the possibility of using "in rotation"; thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, Mikuri. I tried to check what was going on a bit but in the mix I seem to have missed/forgotten the part where you said Ash left more than six Pokemon with Oak. I thought your issue was that he had fewer than six Pokemon "on hand".
::That said, looking farther back this time, I really don't see any problem at all with Pumpkinking's original edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

== Rotom Power Bag Pocket ==

Do you know anyone who could add the Rotom Power as a pocket for the bag? On my userpage are samples of the item pages for Rotom Powers, but default to the Z-crystals pocket since Rotom powers aren't part of the template yet. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 03:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
:I received sprites for the pockets, so I can make it work soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Pokemon species trivia ==

Can trivia about a Pokemon species ever be notable if it's not unique? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
:As a rule, it is not. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
::For example, does that mean the trivia about Dugtrio being immune to telekinesis needs to be deleted because mega Gengar is also immune to it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Value of truth ==

I don't want to derail other discussions, so I'm taking this here. I'm alarmed by the attitude you've seemed to have on talk pages such as [[Talk:Team Skull Grunt (Trainer class)]] and [[Talk:Pokémon Communication Center]] in which you apparently don't think it's necessary to correct something false if it's something you consider minor. Phrases like "who really cares" and "what exactly is hurt" seem, in my mind, to be an effort to discourage people from trying to present the most truthful possible information. In my mind, these are plain-as-day cases of inarguably false information (niche cases, granted, but inarguably false nonetheless), and you seem actively interested in discouraging the correction of them.

For that reason, I wanted to directly ask: am I misinterpreting you, or do you really not think truth is an important value for Bulbapedia? If the latter, is that also the official staff position? If so, I'm not sure I can continue to feel comfortable participating in an encyclopedia if it isn't trying to be true. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
:You're taking it much too dramatically.
:I'm just going to address the specific cases directly.
:I do not believe that there's really any point to trying to say on any page about grunts that they technically have a "Trainer class" that is their team name. (Note that I am not saying we should have "Team Skull Grunt (Trainer class)". I am not, either, saying we shouldn't, though. I'm personally leaving it for further comment, because, in short, things are ''alright'' as they are, I'm fine just waiting and focusing my own attention on other things.) The only place I think it would be worth communicating that there is no "Team Skull Grunt" Trainer class would be if we had a technical page that touched on the Trainer data in the ROM or something. The argument I made that you express concern about above was against your suggestion to merge grunts' info into team TC pages—that's all.
:I do not consider an implication that the GS Ball is only available in Crystal's VC version a falsehood at all. You cannot obtain the GS Ball solely by playing Crystal's cartridge versions. There is no falsehood communicated. That said, I also ''explicitly'' did not say that only listing the VC item was the only option. I suppose I must admit, I tried to phrase my whole comment about the GS Ball relatively delicately; so let me attempt to make clear here that what I meant was: I do not think it is right for us to mention (or worry about) the cartridge GS Ball in the template, and I '''disfavor''' some extra note nearby (but it is still an '''option'''). To put it another way, the intended point was, noting the cartridge version in the template is more trouble than it's worth, but there are still solutions that we could '''add''' to the original revision before your original attempt to "fix" it. (Let's say that at least half as strongly as you are against only mentioning VC—which, again, is not the only option I entertain—I'm that strongly against any significant change to "Received from an attendant while attempting to exit after entering the [[Hall of Fame]] ([[Virtual Console]] only)" as your recent edit has done; it only hurts what is already perfectly useful.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
::FYI, I now [[Talk:Pokémon Communication Center#Event items|do not think]] that there is any real reason to add any note about the cartridge event. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

== I brought it to the guy's talk page to avoid an edit war, but it's been over a week. ==

I'm talking about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pokk%C3%A9n_Tournament&diff=2741661&oldid=2740232 this edit], specifically the release date. I even added the hidden text, but [[User:Akurochan]] flat out ignores it without even saying why. I asked him on [[User talk:Akurochan# Why did you keep changing Aegislash's release date?|his talk page]], but he hasn't even been on the site in over a week. What else am I allowed to do? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
:Two questions.
:1) What's your time zone? And do you remember when exactly you downloaded it?
:2) I don't know Pokken, so just to be sure, when you said you downloaded it, I suppose that means you could immediately play it (and not that it ws locked for a while still)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::My time-zone is EST, so it's 1:25 PM when I posted this. IIRC I was able to play it at 8:30 - 9:30 PM. It was playable immediately after the download finished. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Japan's time is 14 hours ahead of you. It was reasonably released on the "correct" day when you downloaded it. It's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::In other words, I have to leave it alone. Is that correct? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:56, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::It should not be changed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:04, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::Very well, I understand now. Thanks for doing what Akurochan didn't do himself. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

== Own Tempo Rockruff ==

I made a correct edit to the evolution section of Own Tempo Rockruff. Why was it reverted? [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:Note that it doesn't really make sense that you get '''Dusk''' Form at 5 AM (which is roughly ''dawn''). You're forgetting that in-game time is not the same as the real-world time (or more accurately, the 3DS clock, which also doesn't have to have ''any'' relation to real-world time). Only the in-game time matters. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::I am currently playing UM and I can confirm the evolution takes place between 5 AM and 5:59 AM. I know it doesn't make sense but thats how it is. US is 5 PM to 5:59 PM. I strongly suggest you revert your re-edit, or if you dont believe me, try it out yourself. [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:36, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Bear with me a second here... How do you know it's the 5 AM hour? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::::Well first I saw bulbapedia saying 5PM hour. So i tried leveling up Rockruff then. But it didnt evolve. So I found a few posts on the internet saying it was the 5AM hour for UM. So then I tried it around 5:20 AM (3DS time), and it worked. Why on earth would I even lie about this or make the edit if I wasn;t sure? [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm not at all saying you're lying. I'm saying you're missing something.
:::::The 3DS's time is NOT the time in-game.
:::::Try this. Check the time on your 3DS. Then go to a Pokemon Center in UM and talk to the cafe owner. (He doesn't tell you the same time.)
:::::That is to say, even though your 3DS says 5 AM, it's still 5 PM in the game when you're evolving Rockruff. The page is correct. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== "Trade" in Item Locations ==

For games where you can only obtain items through Trade, do we put down it as [[Trade]] or ''[[Trade]]''? FinnishPokéFan92 has been changing the latter back to the former, so I'm not sure which to go with now. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:I personally believe that the italicized one is better because it makes it readily distinguishable from other rows (where it's actually directly obtainable in-game). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::Agreed. I'll change them back when I find them again. Thanks. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh yeah in the same vein, under acquisition in item pages, when an item can be found in an area more than once (but still finite), do leave just the location or do we include the number of times it can be found? (6 [[Thunderstone]]s for example can be found in [[Ultra Plant]]). [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 02:53, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:I guess it's simple enough, I don't think a count like that is a problem. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::If I may intrude, that would require a lot of "backtracking" so to say, as many already existing item pages lack the amount of it obtainable in every finite way, especially when talking about earlier generations. This is why I personally would oppose the idea, even if only for the sheer size of that job, but if someone is ready to do all that checking for every single existing item page, knock yourselves out. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I think if it's missing, no big deal. It can be fixed sooner or later. And if it's often "later", even "much later", that's, again, not a huge deal. It's fine without, but also probably nice with a count. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:27, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Food Stall color ==

I don't get what you meant by that. The other Festival Plaza facilities don't share the same progression of palettes with each other. In fact, a majority of the most common ones are primarily or partially red, not blue. Plus there is nothing I've ever seen of Alola having some overarching color scheme outside the island names being colors in Hawaiian, and those four aren't applicable there, or with any of the different facility palettes.

I get keeping the descriptions of the facility palettes simple, but unless there's something in the game's code or from a guidebook that has official names for the facility colors that I'm not aware of, I just don't see what you mean by them having explicit palettes[[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 02:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:Let me get the issue of the "palette" out of the way. There are actually two reasonable color "palettes" you can take from SM/USUM. The first is the simple 7 "primary" colors of ROYGBIV, as seen in [[Poké Bean]] colors and {{p|Minior}}'s forms. The second is seen in the 8 colors you can [[Festival Plaza#Dye houses|dye]] clothes in (which many [[fashion item]]s also naturally have). (Pink is the "odd man out" in the latter set; "navy blue" could be considered a parallel to "indigo" and "purple" a parallel to "violet", and all other colors have the same names.)
:Now—if we exclude the obviously Pokemon-themed colorations of some facilities—every facility's color scheme is plainly based on one of these "primary" colors...or black. The black is a huge through line, so that gets a pass. But "brown" is not part of Alola's "palette" and it's not even remotely a significant pattern with any other facilities. Calling that one facility theme "brown" is ignoring the blatant pattern that everything else fits in; it's not reasonable that just one doesn't, especially when there are plain elements of a primary color in the building's color scheme. It may be relatively subdued, but it is the most meaningful label for this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::That's quite an arbitrary rule to apply to this. You're just applying the standard ROYGBIV, not something unique to the Pokemon games themselves, like Floette flowers, or the island colors. Plus, unlike the island colors, which are far more prevalent in Alola (Battle Royal Dome's stage entrances, the Battle Royal Dome symbol itself, Oricorio's forms, parts of the respective Island Kahunas' clothing, the Island Guardians), there's only two seemingly solid cases of it: Minior and Poke Beans.
::As well, those two are not perfect matches for ROYGBIV. The "blue" and "indigo" Minior Forms and Poke Bean colors are closer to being cyan and blue, respectively. I checked the RGB levels of the sprites in an editing program and none of the "Indigo" ones had red levels higher than their green levels Which for Indigo the RGB levels are usually around 75,0,130. The "blue" ones were far from being dominantly blue, having a fair mix of green and blue, which shades of Cyan usually have. Not to mention the "blue" pattern bean is nearly entirely white.
::All this, along with the Pink and Navy Blue dye shops and the odd Black themed facilities throughout not fitting with the ROYGBIV palette, leads me to the conclusion that it's not nearly as concrete of a design theory as it might seem.
::In conclusion, I think that we should provide descriptions of objects and locations based on what we see, not based on our assumptions. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 06:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::If the games want to identify whatever shades as "blue" or "indigo" or whatever, so long as it's halfway reasonable (i.e., not "blue" for '''orange'''), that's their choice and not even something worth arguing...
:::Among the other three food stall variations, the only things that consistently match the obvious color theme are the checkers and the paneling flanking them. The first food stall variation bucks that pattern, with those parts having different colors. And, of the two parts, I think it's profoundly reasonable to focus on the checker pattern. Brown isn't remotely worth calling a color scheme, it's just wood, a ''default''. The plain design touch is the blue checkers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Ok, I'll concede, I hadn't checked what the in-game Pokedex names Minior's forms prior to now. Poke Beans also likely follow that scheme, even if it's not as solid, there's still 7 of them and they somewhat follow ROYGBIV. The same for the dye stalls; Navy Blue could just be a mistranslation of Indigo. (and I just thought of Pink being there to fully represent the Island colors alongside ROYGBIV)
::::But I still think it's quite a large leap in logic to assume that other things in-game fit that when they don't come in a set of 7 colors that resemble ROYGBIV as those three examples do. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 20:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I don't think there's a big leap of logic, but I don't think that's the only reason to choose "blue" either. Like I said, that's really the only reasonable color you can point to as the design choice ("brown" is not the design choice, it's just the foundation). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Once again, that's a very arbitrary distinction. Brown is a color just the same as blue is. I don't see what makes it different from any other color that makes it just a "foundation". Regular wooden surfaces are just as valid in real life for designing building exteriors or interiors as any painted surface. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I really don't think this is hard. Blue is a color that the other variations have used. Brown isn't. There's simply NO good reason to choose brown uniquely here instead of blue. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Grant (trivia) ==

I simplified my earlier edit to include only Geodude - though Roxanne does have an Onix- in rematches that is.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:33, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

: What do you mean not enough Rock-type gym leaders - how many does there have to be for a comparison?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::Maybe 10. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Serrebi ==

Hi. Noticed your post on a user's page. Wnat to know, what iss tealing from Serribbi? Is it not fair use to note facts regardless of who discovered them? I am not an expert in law so it seems quite new to me (after all, I did not underatand copyright or IP rights well until a few years ago). [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 00:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:It's pretty simple. Serebii has expressed that they do not allow other sites to take their information. If you find something at Serebii, you'll have to find an independent source or confirm it on your own before you can edit it here. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:29, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::I understand. But is there any legal reason to avoid? I do not plan on posting anything from there (rarely visit it anyway), but just wondering. Does this mean research can be copyrighted? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 01:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::As they say: I am not a lawyer. All I can say is that BP staff wouldn't long tolerate anyone continually trying to use Serebii's info here. We have no desire to antagonize them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Did not realize there were people like that. One learns somthing new every day. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 02:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

== Fossil Pages ==

Hiya! I got the individual Fossil pages on my userspace I believe are ready to be mainspaced. If you deem they are, how would we go about this procedure with the current X and Y Fossils format? [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== untitled ==
Stick to your pages and I'll stick to mine. Thanks. {{unsigned|Vyper3006}}
:This does not constitute a discussion. I await any substance. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

You have it.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPoQ7QU8fR_pFFfBvm488IP_N3sMzgzFflr2t9C

Why are you saying it isn't a real card?

== List of moves and abilities affecting abilities ==

You undid my edit, saying that it was "already mentioned". Where was it already mentioned? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:Where you put it before and where I removed those tables, easily visible if you look at the diff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::You only told me not to put the tables above the list of abilities, so I re-added them below the list of abilities. Why can't I have the tables there? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm confused. Do you or do you not realize that the things you want to add are currently on the page already? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
::::I realized just now. Oh well. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:46, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Unacceptable User Name chain ==

An array of users named after Communists has just shown up. Might want to nip this in the bud.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Types and "metagame" information ==

Why is information about "the metagame" (stuff like "this type is good when combined with this other type") allowed on the pages about types but nowhere else? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Thunder wave ==

When I added that trivia (or trivium or whatever), I meant thunder wave was the only status move whose immunities ''behave according to the type chart''. You know, the one that looks like this.
{| class="roundy" style="border: 2px solid #111; background:#555; margin-right: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px"
|-
! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | ×
! colspan="18" style="{{roundytr|5px}} background:#4C4BA4" | Defending type
|-
! style="background:#{{normal color}}" | {{ic|Normal}}
! style="background:#{{fighting color}}" | {{ic|Fighting}}
! style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{ic|Flying}}
! style="background:#{{poison color}}" | {{ic|Poison}}
! style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{ic|Ground}}
! style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{ic|Rock}}
! style="background:#{{bug color}}" | {{ic|Bug}}
! style="background:#{{ghost color}}" | {{ic|Ghost}}
! style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{ic|Steel}}
! style="background:#{{fire color}}" | {{ic|Fire}}
! style="background:#{{water color}}" | {{ic|Water}}
! style="background:#{{grass color}}" | {{ic|Grass}}
! style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{ic|Electric}}
! style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{ic|Psychic}}
! style="background:#{{ice color}}" | {{ic|Ice}}
! style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{ic|Dragon}}
! style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{ic|Dark}}
! style="background:#{{fairy color}}" | {{ic|Fairy}}
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! rowspan="18" style="background:#A44C4B" | A t t a c k i n g t y p e
! style="background:#{{normal color}}" | {{ic|Normal}}
| 1×
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|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{fighting color}}" | {{ic|Fighting}}
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|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{ic|Flying}}
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|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{poison color}}" | {{ic|Poison}}
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| style="background:#000; color:#FFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
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|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{ic|Ground}}
| 1×
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| style="background:#000; color:#FFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| style="background:#090; color:#FFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
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! style="background:#{{bug color}}" | {{ic|Bug}}
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|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{ghost color}}" | {{ic|Ghost}}
| style="background:#000; color:#FFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
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| style="background:#090; color:#FFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
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|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{water color}}" | {{ic|Water}}
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| style="background:#090; color:#FFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
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| colspan="20" style="{{roundybottom|5px}}; background:#999" | These matchups are suitable for {{color2|000|Generation VI}} onward.
|}According to that chart, grass and electric are not immune to anything, so the fact that stun spore couldn't hit them had to be ''programmed separately.'' What I was trying to say earlier was that thunder wave was the only status move that ''behaves according to this chart'' and was not ''programmed separately.'' Do you understand what I'm trying to say now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:I still don't think it's so important a difference that it's worth any trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Klinklang ==

Hello. On the page for Klinklang, you removed my trivia because it was noticeable. Noticeable Trivia does appear a fair bit on Bulbapedia and if you looked at the Gen 5 Sprites, it isn't that obvious. I'm just wondering why it was removed as such. Thanks. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 15:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:We just don't list things already visible on the page. That's just repetitive, when anyone can see it if they care. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== How? ==

Seriously, how did you not see the poor English and punctuation in [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Unnamed_island_(EP098)&diff=prev&oldid=2768100 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cinnabar_Island&diff=prev&oldid=2768111 edits]? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:What do those matter? It's not at all unintelligible. The changes it seems you've now made are minor. That's not even remotely a basis for outright rejection. If you don't want to fix it, leave it alone, you can't revert it just because it bugs you a bit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::I reverted those because I wasn't sure what the original editor was trying to communicate due to the poor English, and I feared that any changes I made would ruin the intended meaning. For example, with the second diff, it mentions a "Gyarados hot spring tap". Since I didn't see that episode, I didn't know if the Gyarados was a typo, or if the hot spring tap was supposed to be shaped like a Gyarados, or if there was a missing key word. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:::That's just one (arguable) sentence. Not remotely warranting wholesale reversion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Like I said, one change could've ruined the whole meaning the user was trying to communicate, and I couldn't leave it like that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::...That doesn't mean reverting the whole thing was right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::Well, what was I supposed to do? And yes, I know that I did "improvements" after you undid my reversion, but I'm still not confident that was what the user was trying to say. It was that confusing to me. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::You can try talking. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Kinda hard to do that now that the user thinks I'm a racist. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::As far as I'm concerned, that's just an excuse to give up. ...Don't. (Also, that is not how I read their message.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

== Flavor Page ==

I'm relatively new to editing wikis, so I'm not sure if I ought to "...discuss this one first" {{ut|Tiddlywinks|here on your talk page}}, or on the Flavor article's [[Talk:Flavor|talk page]], but I figured I'd start here to give myself a better chance of being sure that you read this and don't accidentally miss it.

My main issue with the [[Flavor|Flavor page]] as it stands now is that the {{DL|Flavor|List_of_Apricorns_by_flavor|Apricorn section}} has the flavors listed in the "correct" order (that being Spicy, Sour, Dry, Bitter, and Sweet) while the page's intro, flavor preference table, Contest/Pokéathlon table, and the berry tables for gens III, IV, and e-Reader all have the flavors listed in the following order: Spicy (+Atk), Dry (+SpA), Sweet (+Spe), Bitter (+SpD), and Sour (+Def) [so not quite half-and-half, like I first thought - that's my bad].

This is, to me, pretty unintuitive, since stats are most always ordered HP (N/A here), Atk, Def, SpA, SpD, and Spe. I was actually looking at the flavor page for more info about {{cat|Berries_that_may_cause_confusion|confusion berries}} and ended up super confused (hah, didn't even mean for that silly little joke to happen) for a moment because of the ordering of the flavors (though that may just be indicative of ignorance on my part). Because 6/7 sections have the flavors ordered in the "weird" way, I'm beginning to think that there's probably a reason for it. If there is and I'm missing it, then please do let me know! However, even if that were to be the case, I, personally, still think that ordering the flavors to match with the traditional order of stats would be more beneficial overall. It makes things easier for dumb-dumbs like me, so that we don't have to go to {{DL|Nature|Stat-focused_table|an entirely different page}} in order to figure out what the heck is going on.

And, just on the off chance that you're considering it, there's no need to copy-paste that table onto the Flavor page - the current table is totally fine for its page (though I certainly wouldn't complain if I could reinstate my edited version of it!), since it's more focused on the flavors themselves, rather than the increase and decrease of stats that come along with most natures. At the very least, we ought to make all seven sections consistent, one way or the other.

Thanks!

<nowiki>~</nowiki>[[User:Mimikyuuuuuuu|Mimikyuuuuuuu]] ([[User talk:Mimikyuuuuuuu|talk]]) 05:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
:First things first, there is only one place on that page where any of those basic stats is mentioned at all ("Attack"). On the rest of the page, no one will be able to tell what stat each flavor corresponds to without a whole bunch of cross-referencing (or memorization). So the proposition that an "incorrect" order might be any particular problem is fairly dubious.
:FYI, it was also kind of a problem that you didn't change all of the tables. (I don't mean to say that it's okay for you to make the change if you do everything up "right".)
:My primary concern about the "proper" order was that I'd like to know what the games actually do. And {{pkmn|Contest}} categories are listed in the order Cool Beauty Cute Smart Tough, just as the second table currently on the page shows. IMO this is a fine order since Contests are pretty strongly linked with the flavors (at least stronger than anything else). There doesn't seem to be any real consistency in other things, like the stat order when viewing a [[Pokéblock]], the [[List of items by index number (Generation VII)|default order]] of the [[Apricorn]]s, the [[performance]] stat order...
:Given that general inconsistency, it may be reasonable to default to the order of basic stats. But personally, I don't think it's that huge a deal, either.
:(FYI, you can usually make comments on a mainspace talk page first. It's much easier for other people to contribute opinions there. And people will generally pay some attention...especially if they've explicitly suggested the talk page. But even if you don't seem to get a resonse, you can always make a short comment on the person's user talk page to direct their attention to the talk page you commented on.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

==Alola Dex in Ultras Sun and Moon==
Hey there. I need your help with something. Can you add this to the Pokémon Infobox so I can add the dex numbers on the Pokémon that appeared in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon?: a2dex And maybe add a category like this? Category:Pokémon in the Alola Pokédex in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. Kinda like how you did in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 15:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
:As we've told a number of people who have asked in other places, we are considering moving the 'dex numbers out of the infobox. As you can see on {{p|Zubat}}'s page, its infobox is already very well packed with the 'dex numbers. Trying to make a new format so we can add another could be very complex, especially with the more or less random nature of which 'dex numbers each Pokemon has. We think that putting that info somewhere else may be better. There still has not been a decision on the matter. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I'm planning to redo all the quotes for characters in core series games (I have nothing to do), while filling out any missing quotes. I just wanted to check a few things.
*Do references to other characters and items requires linking to the articles; the names for the characters or items aren't directly stated ([[Special:Diff/2771756|example]])?
*Do quotes in "scream" speech bubbles need to be bolded? ([[Special:Diff/2771753|example - first line in USUM section]]: "This is excellent! Exciting, even...")
*For battles, are "Before battling, Upon being defeated, After being defeated, If the player is defeated" the correct terms to use? (I think I previously discussed with you before, but another admin sometimes changed the "Upon being defeated" back to "Being defeated".)
Are do these doesn't really matter at all? (I doubt anybody pays attention to the quotes section) Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 09:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about linking indirect references. Right now...I suppose if it were me, I wouldn't remove them but I also don't know if I would be motivated to add them. (Very possibly, if I were specifically looking at something, I might realize that the links are a good idea; or possibly the opposite. Right now, though, I'm just not sure.)
:Personally I don't like bold for screaming. It's never come across like it was actually supposed to be screaming to me.
:I do prefer that set, with the exception that "if the player is defeated" is unnecessary since the first half already entirely implies that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Cute Charm ==

The sentence, "The set of possible values depends on the gender of the Pokémon with Cute Charm, and if the Pokémon with Cute Charm is female, the wild Pokémon's gender ratio." looked kind of weird and I thought it had a grammar error. It looked like it was trying to say something like "depends on the gender of the Pokemon, whether the Pokemon with Cute Charm is female, and the wild Pokemon's gender ratio." Can we possibly make it more clear and obvious that it isn't a grammar error? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:08, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
::Okay thanks. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

== The Ash's Charizard gender debate, and the reason I ceased participation on it ==

Force Fire said this when I contacted them(my notes added to show my thought process reading this):

"First of all, Dennou is not a former staff member, he is still a senior administrator"

My mistake.

"Secondly, you need to stop going around like you have some sort of authority"

I know that and neither want nor care for authority on this site, nor have I been actively attempting to inflect such....Passion for rules =/= projecting authority or seniority unless you are assuming bad faith/intent on my end...

"Thirdly, just because I've been very strict on anything gender related, doesn't mean I'm going to say "no" every single time"

I'd like an example of them saying yes on non-Force Fire-written and mandated gender policy-based evidence, but they're right in a way).

"There is actual legitimate evidence/source for Dennou's claim"

Tomioka is invoking Word of God like JK Rowling retconned a Jewish Student into Hogwarts despite wizards and witches having no prior evidence of organized religion besides the occasional "my God"...that's how
Word of God works, which this echoes IMO.

"Tomioka is an actual writer for the show, so he probably knows more and probably has control over how he wants characters to be portrayed"

Does he have authority over other anime staff? Is he the one who OKs final decisions? I don't know if this is true or if Force Fire is assuming this (And if so, based on what)?.

"Tracy West novelisations is not written by a writer from the (Japanese) show. There's a big difference"

Yeah, it was a bad, rather sarcastically-motivated example in hindsight)

...I feel bad for ever entering into it based on a big red warning label on the top of the talkpage...Am I supposed to feel ashamed for even trying to quote policy? Did it really come off as bossing people around in a Brainy Smurf-esque way via poor wording? Or did I catch Force Fire in a bad mood/at a bad time...can you sort this out my confusion/shame? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:ForceFire can answer best for ForceFire, as I rule I don't like to speak for others.
:I think keeping in mind the possibility that you might be wrong is a way not to sound too bossy. If there's one thing I hate, it's being wrong. So I try to ask myself what I'm overlooking; it can be a bitter pill, but I like the other option less. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:24, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::I'm not asking you to speak for ForceFire:I'm asking if I should feel ashamed for even discussing the matter if I'm not someone important enough. And just cause I report rulebreaks doesn't mean I think I'm a cop, judge, jury or executioner:At best I'm a tipster. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 12:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::You asked if Force Fire was in a bad mood. I do not know that. (And I'm not going to just ask and be a relay.)
:::I'm not certain where you get the idea that only "important" people can discuss any particular thing on the wiki or whatever.
:::But generally I would not say you should feel bad. That probably won't really ease anything, but it may help move past it. (Which isn't to say there shouldn't be anything that can be learned from the matter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::::That was meant to be rhetorical. I'm sorry for that not being worded in such a way.
::::It does seem that some people, like Lady Ariel, Pumpkinking, Playerking and FinnishPokémonfan get a lot more "freebies" regarding importance and/or extra rulebreaks, so I tend to feel that they are given special treatment due to edit count despite their lack of staff status and/or serial troublemaking.
::::That's what I needed to hear. I will rejoin the discussion now that my head's clear. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 22:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::If you're comparing (contrasting, rather, I suppose) those users to yourself, no one on staff has gone to your user talk page about anything for, it looks like, very nearly a whole 3 years. You're not in any special trouble about anything. (...To the extent of my knowledge. Which is mainly just a paranoid disclaimer.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

== Smogon and fansite rulings ==

If Showdown(created, owned and maintained by Smogon) isn't a reliable source(Though I think it should be, but Verlisify fans/sympathizers run this site and Serebii, methinks), why is Smogon OK for some reason? They're one and the same, and they cross-reference each other. And have they given permission to use their info? Or is it a case of petty rivalry based on perceived betrayal(s) and flimsy accusations between webmasters that lead to digital Iron Curtains like with Serebii and PokéBeach(That needs to end...That was how many years ago? Talent gets moved around all the time...), and no permission is given/received between them and us? Or should I ask EB/Archaic(To see if he has an old, unnecessary grudge with Smogon's owner, as well)for a more concrete status of Smogon/Showdown? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 03:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Look. If you're gonna come to my talk page with your mind already set against us like this and just being antagonistic, I'm not gonna be inclined to give you any remotely substantive response.
:Have a good day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
::I apologize for that rant...I had just seen Avengers:Infinity War earlier this week, and it made me...emotional, to say the least. I would like to know why Smogon is a valid source but Showdown isn't, though. ::Again, sorry for that. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 01:44, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Source code about source code is a step beyond what we're comfortable with trusting. Put simply, Showdown's accuracy always has to be couched in a caveat. Only the game can truly be trusted to perfectly represent the game. Showdown has had to correct mistakes, and we can't necessarily say where remaining ones are or aren't. It's one thing to look at the ''game'' and say, see, because of this, this is how that works; it's another thing to look at Showdown and say, well, Showdown says this—and chances are ''pretty good'' it's right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Re: {{m|Air Cutter}} trivia ==

Sorry if my edit summary was unclear. What I meant was, since there are no Triple Battles in Generation VII (set in Alola), Flying-type attacks introduced in that generation can't hit non-adjacent Pokémon (since there are none). So this feature of the move is no longer unique. I'm surprised the trivium hasn't already been removed. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 21:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:If you're talking about a feature unique to Triple Battles, you can't say anything about moves that you can't use in Triple Battles. The inverse is that you can use every other move in Triple Battles to hit non-adjacent foes, and this is not a thing you can rate true/false for new moves because (again) you can't use them in Triple Battles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
::In that case, the trivium should specify "the only pre-Generation VII damaging Flying-type move" or something instead of "the only damaging Flying-type move"; right now it's misleading. Unless that makes it not notable... [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 22:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::It says "in Triple Battles", it's not rightly logical to consider moves you could never use in Triple Battles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Fine. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 22:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Ancient Trait Cards ==

Dear Tiddlywinks,

I was hoping you could answer some of my queries:

1. I have noticed that the Ancient Trait 'variety' of card renowned for its artwork style differences and ancient trait abilities (not included in other card types, though some cross over exists with some Mega Evolution cards also listed as Ancient Trait cards e.g. M Sceptile and M Rayquaza) is not listed as a TCG Pokémon card type, is there a reason for this?

2. Also should Kingdra's Primal Clash 108 and XY39 (which redirects to Primal Clash 108) cards be listed as separate cards in the Ancient Trait article due to artwork differences or not?

I look forward to hearing your response,

Thank you in advance.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
:I know very little about the TCG. You would do better to ask someone else. Possibly {{u|glik}}, or anyone who regularly contributes to TCG pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

:: Thank you for the advice.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:07, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== Deletions by user:GrammarFreak01 ==

Thank you for stepping in last time, though GrammarFreak01 has again deleted all of my work leaving a useless comment behind to justify the drastic action. I was concerned maybe what I had written was to detailed, though my additions were in regards to Cameran Palace's various rooms visited in M08. I may be wrong, but I believed at the time of writing that the information was appropriate for the page dedicated to the location. GrammarFreak01 has been advised against such actions and ways to better handle any personal concerns, including contacting the user at hand; none of which has occurred. I do not wish to enter an edit war, and would like my changes reinstated, even if modified, and actions taken against the user for overstepping the mark one too many times. I do not believe the actions are of a personal nature, and have witnessed them against other users. Hope to hear shortly [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

:I did not understand the point of describing every single room inside. And what other users are you talking about? You're making a pretty serious accusation there. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:48, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sorry for not responding sooner. I've been trying to think, and I also haven't heard much from others I've tried to ask.
::My thoughts are, I know that game locations can have pretty detailed descriptions. And the areas that were described do not seem to be accounted for any other way on the page. So it seems to me the additions might be worthwhile.
::I think the best idea may be to try to start a wider discussion about if that's needed. That may be able to inform a stronger conclusion a little while later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Hi Tiddlywinks, a bit of an update. I streamlined what I had previously put in, deeming it of value given that these rooms were visited in the movie and having looked at other location pages, such details appear to be of interest. Fantastic news, instead of deleting the new additions, user GrammarFreak01 swapped a few sentences around to give the page a better structure. I'm really happy with the result. I would still have preferred discussion with GrammarFreak01 before deleting all of the additions. I might draft a generalist checklist for any future location pages, unless we already have one of those?. Thanks for getting back to me [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:14, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
::::I'm not really into the anime so I don't really know much about specifics of their structure or anything. (Like I didn't know that any other anime locations went into similar details.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

== [[Shipping:List of anime shippings]] ==

So what's the inclusion criteria for that list? I notice that the content that I deleted obviously has their own articles, but other main character ships like [[PokéShipping]] and [[AmourShipping]] are not included despite having articles of their own. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:There are two options. Just include any anime shippings like the page title fundamentally implies. Or ask someone who might know what "line" there is (and then also describe that line at the top of the page; although I can't really imagine why there should be any such line). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:19, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
::I can't imagine doing the second option since it's actually been over a year since there were any edits done to that page before me, so obviously no one's really keeping track of it. I guess I'll go with the first option when I have the time. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:27, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

== Promotions ==

Am I allowed to congratulate you on your new administrator status? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
:Sure. (And thanks.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
::Congratulations on your new administrator status! [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== Alola League ==

Why do we not need the thing you removed? It could be helpful. {{unsigned|Elite4Alola}}
:It's already on [[Pokémon League (Alola)]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== About the Spaceworld demo... ==

I want to ask you a question. How can you prove the legitimacy of the ROM? I mean, it fits everything we know about the ROM, and it fits the Honoguma picture that surfaced in 2013, but at the same time it has some some things that sound fanservice-y (Misty as an Elite Four, Red as a Gym Leader...). I'm asking because I'm curious.. --[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 03:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:I don't know. It's not really my decision. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you for answering my question.--[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 21:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

== Individual Pokémon in Shuffle weekly cycle ==

May I know how do we plan to include where/when the Pokémon appears in the "Game location: In side games" section of each individual Pokémon for Pokémon Shuffle? I doubt we need to include the UX Stages since it's the same as the initial Main Stages. Here are a few suggestions for Special Stages:
::Daily, Special Daily, Safari etc. (With form differences):
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release) (Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16) (From February 13, 2018 onward)
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release){{tt|*|Prior to February 13, 2018}} Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16){{tt|*|From February 13, 2018 onward}}
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release — Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16 — From February 13, 2018 onward)
::Daily, Special Daily, Safari etc. (Without form differences):
*Event: ''[[Special Stages#The Daily Pokémon (#6)|The Daily Pokémon (#6)]]'' (Prior to February 13, 2018)
*Event: ''[[Special Stages#Daily Pokémon|The Daily Pokémon (Week 7 & 19)]]'' (From February 13, 2018 onward)
::Great, Ultra, Special Challenges etc.
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Week 6) (From February 13, 2018 onward
Or simply just
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Week 6)
Or do not add anything until how Pokémon Shuffle will display from now onward are fully decided? — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 10:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
:I hardly know anything about Shuffle off the top of my head, honestly. {{u|CycloneGU}} was into Shuffle, but they haven't been that active recently, though I think they've still kind of got an ear to Bulbapedia.
:If you want me to figure it out, I'd start real basic. Like, when you ask "how do we plan to include [...]", it sounds like there's no location info for Shuffle on at least some pages. From above, I can identify {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Mimikyu}}, who do seem to have location info, so I'm confused. Are you actually saying that the current info is inadequate? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. And yeah, haven't seen him around lately. Perhaps I can just leave this on his talk page until he sees it. Currently, the info already on each individual Pokémon pages are Special Stages (Event) that is prior to the update on February 13. Now, the Special Stages are pre-set for each week. I just wanted to ask if Bulbapedia wants to separate them from the two versions. But I guess I'll just leave a message at CycloneGU's talk page. Sorry for bothering. :) — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 12:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Template pages ==

Do templates usually get a move tag if they need to be tagged to be moved? This is because I have noticed that [[Template:Ash and Pikachu characters|two of]] [[Template:Pokémon Battrio characters|them]] had incorrect/incomplete page names and I wasn't sure if those types of tags go on templates aside from normal pages. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 04:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:Tagging templates can easily be done wrong, so it may be simpler to just bring it up with someone on {{bp|staff}}. (Besides, template names don't really affect a whole lot, people don't really see them, so they may not even be a huge problem, depending.)
:What "should" the linked templates be titled? (And what's wrong with the current title?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::The Ash and Pikachu one, it was missing an amphersand sign since the actual manga contained that instead of the original ''and'' and the Battrio manga adaptation one was the one that didn't contain the whole manga title in its name for the template. It was for consistency reasons since many of the other templates containing manga characters had the full titles, such as [[Template:Let's Play the Pokémon Card Game! Sun and Moon Arc characters|this one]]. Hope this helps. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Talk page comment arrangements ==

In regards to PardescanSlowbro's talk page, I was responding to his comment: ''"I must be dim. I thought you said major appearances equals appearances where the individual was central to the plot? Some of the deleted points may need to be reinstated based solely on this definition."'' How are they going to know which comment I'm referring to if I just post my comment (''"Yes, that is ''exactly'' what I said. There's nothing about the deleted points that would indicate they fall under "major appearances". Can you give any specific examples so I know what exactly you're talking about?"'') at the end of their talk page? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:How about...''don't'' just post ''"Yes, that is exactly what I said [...]"''. If two people are talking in a group and you want to respond to something one says but they keep talking, you're not just SOL when you get a chance to speak later. Nothing binds you to start without preamble like you would have if you could have responded immediately. It's really not ''that'' hard, just remind them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::What rules dictate this? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:06, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Dictate what? If you want to respond without preamble that's your choice, I guess, we don't have a rule about that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I meant the whole talk page arrangement in general. It befuddles me how this is possible here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::How...responding in order is "possible"? It should be the most basic common sense. Responding ''out'' of order only screws up the order of the people who posted ''before'' you and who you've now forced after ''you''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I would like to jump in here, Tiddlywinks. What GrammarFreak01 is asking is what decision or rule requires Bulbapedia talk pages to have all comments go in order of when they were posted when compared to other wikis where comments are more like branches and split off when multiple users comment on a single reply. Frankly, I am curious as well regarding the order since the discussion on PardescanSlowbro's talk page does not make much sense in the current order, but I believe that there must be a reason for doing it this way. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:"What rule?" More or less just as I and other staff have said: "Comments go in order". The reason is also as I said above: anything else really just screws with everything else. Other wikis are welcome to do what they want. Bulbapedia asks that comments go in order (effectively just like any natural conversation; the entire species has managed to do that fine for a very long time, people can manage here too). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::But is that in Bulbapedia's actual set of official rules and guidelines? Because if not, I don't see why I or anyone else has to be bound by that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::...I'm gonna go with, if staff tells you something and you decide to flout it, it won't turn out very happily for you, regardless of whether there is a strict rule... (At best, I will say that if you're that dubious about something, take it up the chain.)
:::Protip, though: if you're familiar enough with Bulbapedia (and, [[Template:Welcome|ideally]], it ''shouldn't'' really take much "familiarity"), you can answer your own question. And maybe learn a thing or two else in the process. ;) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I am under the belief that every single rule should at the very least be documented in an official list, that way people can be directed to it if they're confused so they know it's not just something that is simply preferred by certain higher-ups. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::...Your issue essentially comes down to "I don't trust staff to not be going on a power trip." So I'll tell you what. If you can't trust that someone on staff is telling you something that, for whatever reason, you really do have to follow, then take it up the chain. Maybe they know something written out to point you to, maybe not. But if for whatever reason you can't "trust" something, there are easy enough recourses. (Protip: if you don't want to do it in the open, you can even use PMs on the forums.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

{{indent}}New comments going at the bottom of a discussion ''is'' written in the talk page policy, [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Editing in sections|under editing in sections]]. As for why, because people are going to look for new comments at the bottom of the conversation, not in the middle.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:36, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
:Since it's been spoiled =P , I'll leave off with: I'd very earnestly appreciate if you'd take a read through the whole page. If this is one thing you've missed, there may well be other things you can learn. (...Not to mention, if you won't trust if someone just tells you something else down the line, it'd be better for you to just learn for yourself sooner rather than later.) In a similar vein, if you find yourself wondering about {{cat|Bulbapedia policies}}, try to remember that you can check that and other pages we have. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:38, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

== In-game trade ==

I agree about the revert on my change as it was not a future proof way to do it.

I've added a discussion on the page for that subject and hope it goes in the direction of your comment.

I'd appreciate to have your feedback whether you agree on the idea or not.

(I'm still not sure if there's PM so I post this here. Sorry if I goofed up)
[[User:Zanguu|Zanguu]] ([[User talk:Zanguu|talk]]) 16:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

== Re: No article on Aura used by Totem Pokemon/ Ultra Beasts ==

Hello, I tried to search for articles describing the usage of the aura used by [[Totem Pokémon]] and [[Ultra Beasts]]. There is no article covering this topic. Could I please have your permission on making this page?[[User:Elite4Alola|[[Elite4Alola]]]] ([[User talk:Elite4Alola|talk]]) 08:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:Mechanically, in the games, aura is pretty simple. Lore-wise, there's a bit more, but still, I don't know. The anime is the thing I really don't know. If you'd like to create a user page so we can see how much and what kind of content there might be, then we can make a better decision about whether it warrants its own page or what. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:I think I'll get back to you on this. I'll will go and do some research first[[User:Elite4Alola|[[Elite4Alola]]]] ([[User talk:Elite4Alola|talk]]) 01:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

== Changes to game location sections ==

Why should we have one format that's consistent for gift Pokemon, another that's consistent for wild Pokemon, and a whole bunch of locations that don't use any consistent format when we can have one format that's consistent for all locations? 
On Voltorb's page, why are you using the Frontier Brain template to link to the Power Plant? I don't think the Power Plant is a Frontier Brain. 
On Golbat's page, why is "Blackthorn City side" in parentheses but "interior" is not? 
[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:"Consistency" is not god. Putting big lines of text in parentheses just looks bad. The parentheticals are only meant to be short—that's what they've been for a long time, and trades and stuff have used their own format for a long time, and it's been just fine. The short parentheticals do what they need to just fine, they don't need to be twisted to take on more.
:If {{template|FB}} creates an appropriate link, I don't think it's a huge problem.
:"Interior" doesn't need parentheses. It's a simple label that reads very fine without them, the kind of compound you could easily find in normal English text. A compound description like "Blackthorn City side" does not work like that, though. I understand the discrepancy...I considered maybe just using "north" instead or something—but I didn't want to be more vague (and I guess if ''you've'' been trying to add "actual locations" and all, you wouldn't like that option either) so I figured it'd just have to be what worked. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::So...very short additional details (like "interior") aren't in parentheses, and very long details (like "received from Professor Sycamore in Lumiose City after defeating him") aren't in parentheses, either? I never thought putting lots of text in parentheses looked bad. Am I the only one who thinks that? Also doesn't using the <nowiki>{{FB</nowiki> template to link to the Power Plant count as a lazy template? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think those cases are in such a juxtaposable context as that suggests, but you've essentially stated those cases correctly.
:::You question whether you're the only one who doesn't have a problem with lots of text in parentheses. I don't know the answer really, but to turn it in a different direction, it may be fair to say that you may be the only one who has a problem with the outstanding format for the trades and such.
:::You're putting that last question like I should know about it or know how to react or whatever... Is there a specific definition for "lazy template", or......? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I guess you can say that about me. As for the "lazy templates", this is what I found on the List of Link Templates page:
::::"Although link templates are encouraged in day-to-day usage, it is asked that they are only used for the intended purpose. Any use otherwise may be considered a "laziness template". For example, consider writing <code><nowiki>[[Pokémon Trainer]]</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>{{g|Trainer}}</nowiki></code>. Usage of laziness templates will be reverted, and offenders will be warned."
::::[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::It seems FB may be one we specifically let slide. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Okay. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

== Event Pokemon ==

Hello again. My line on the page for [[Event Pokémon]] said that '''most''' Event Pokemon are mythical but not all. You removed it because not all event Pokemon are Mythical. I was aware of that and I even gave an example in my line and even then, about 85% of Event Pokemon are Mythical. So, why was it removed again? Just curious. Thanks '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 23:13, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:I didn't remove it because "not all" are Mythical. I removed it because not "most" are even Mythical. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
::But the big majority of them are. Something about Mythical Pokemon should be added. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 23:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think so. There are all sorts of distributions for regular old Pokemon. I would be quite surprised if Mythicals make close to the 85% you think. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::The only Pokemon that aren't Mythical are Lugia and Ho-Oh in Gen 3, the two Vivillon patterns, cap Pikachu and Dusk Lycanroc. That's 5 out of 22 (There's 17 Mythicals that are event only) so about 77% Event Pokemon are Mythical to be precise. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 09:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::That's very incorrect... For example: [[Eevee (Pokémon)#In events]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I was mainly talking about Event-Exclusive Pokemon, since they're the ones mentioned on the page. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 12:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, you've been using completely the wrong words...
:::::::Mythical Pokemon ''would'' be worth mentioning so long as it's in the appropriate place and using unambiguous language. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Ah. Apologies if I was using the wrong words. I'll add a bit about them. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 14:32, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

== Type page discussion ==

I already [[User talk:Glik/Archive July 2015-May 2018|discussed this]] with glik. Is there anything else you want to tell me? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:42, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:You practically neutered the sections you edited. I said it would be better to start a discussion. That way there's something everyone can easily see if they wonder in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::I already started at least 3 discussions. One here, one on glik's talk page, and one on Normal (type)'s talk page. What else do you want me to discuss? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, I didn't know there was anything on the talk page. I've given a response. I may have lost track of it before or something, I don't know. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Is my signature ok?[[User:Форс файре|'''Ф'''орс]][[User talk:Форс файре|'''Ф'''айре]] 18:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, it's good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Creating Japanese voice actor articles ==

Hey! After remembering [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive_1#Creating_pages your response] to my creation of the [[Ash's Pikachu (M20)]] article, I've decided to come to you about creating new pages. I'm thinking of creating a couple of pages or so on Japanese voice actors, starting with [[Haruka Tomatsu]]. Is that okay? Is there an article creation procedure that I need to follow? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:The requirements for VA pages are described at [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you for the heads-up! [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Cynthia being Verity's mother ==

I understand that there are conflicting sources about this whole matter, and that is why I think you should perhaps work to debunk the source I just mentioned first before we all move forward. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:Let me ask: let's just suppose that all we could ever have would be these two conflicting pieces of "evidence": what would you think would be best for Bulbapedia to do? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:52, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Discuss it and investigate which source holds more veracity? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:01, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::That seems like it's ultimately down to pretty much opinion... It can be very easy for people to be loud and determined in their positions. I don't think your solution is a strong solution. But for now I will take the simple route and give you a bit of reasoning in the vein of your desired approach.
:::The director's word is currently verifiable, whereas the other source is only secondhand information. Perhaps you have heard the maxim, "Trust but verify"? I cannot, personally, tell you anything reliable about the claim that Cynthia is Verity's mother, but I can answer anything you want to ask about the director's refutation of that theory. If information cannot be independently evaluated by anyone with the desire/ability (and therefore argued with nuance in its own right), then it's a decidedly imperfect source. Sometimes that's all we have. That's not the case here, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Mallow Tsareena Sweet Scent ==

Hi. So in SM082 Mallow's Tsareena does something that some would describe as Sweet Scent, as it has a similar appearance and effect to how the move was used in its pre-evolved forms. PlayerKing95 has removed it because we don't have enough proof, despite the evidence pointing towards it. I, as well as another user, has reached out to him to discuss it. It has been about a week now and he has ignored multiple messages to resolve this issue, and it is making me think that he will continue to ignore messages because it means the page can't be changed. Could I get some help with this? Thank you for your time.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 18:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
:I saw you've asked ForceFire too and gotten a response. I wasn't immediately sure how it fits in our policy, and I still haven't checked the episode or anything, but since ForceFire has responded I'll leave it to him now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Type pages again ==

Is there anything you still want to talk about? Can I start editing all the types now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
:Thank you for asking. And I'm very sorry I haven't devoted time to it (once again) for so long.
:Anyway, I've responded to the last comment and I think you can make edits if you try to follow the examples on [[Talk:Normal (type)]], unless you yourself have other pressing questions. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Stat averages of types ==

How did you calculate the stat averages of each type? You said poison had the lowest average speed, but the Bulbapedia articles say a few other types (such as rock) have even lower speed. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
:I used the averages from each type page. Apparently I made a surprising typo with Poison's speed; I typed 30 instead of 80 (I couldn't say how, 3 and 8 aren't close, possibly I just misread it or something). Rock is right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

== questions about hidden items in games ==

if an item is like inside a rock would i describe it as 'in the rock' or 'on the rock'? Also if you get an item from an npc should i use 'obtain' or 'receive'? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:It's not like you pick up the rock or break it or anything special. The only thing that makes sense is "on". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::ok 'on' it is. also u didnt answer my second question if someone gives u an item do we use 'receive' or 'obtain'? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Usually it's not necessary at all. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::u mean neither is necessary? so in the [[Pallet Town]] items section where all the items begin with "obtained from.." i should delete the "obtained" and just leave it "from x"? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::There are some cases, like if it's a ''reward'', where I might feel like specifying that, but even more specific things like probably aren't necessary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:39, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== repeated links in item lists ==

are they bad or good? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
:IMO it's usually a little better than making someone look for the first link in the box when they're reading a specific line. And it's how I always saw them so IMO it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::But shouldn't we still avoid deliberately adding new ones? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::I personally am very likely to link every line myself. There have definitely been pages where I had a problem like, "Ugh, Beauty's not linked, alright which random item referenced some Beauty or other in this whole list..." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Well, I guess we both have different viewpoints on this subject, and I can definitely understand your viewpoint. I just personally don't prefer the same link popping up again and again. Let's just leave the whole thing be. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::allrightey finnish u heard what the man said i will be linking every single damn link i see in every single item list i can find. :) - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::I hope you also noticed my reply. Please don't go overboard. And '''please''', start using big capital letters! It's bothering me! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:54, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::FYI I think there can be a few links that would be kind of useless. Like, say, caught Pokemon, that would probably be pointless to link repeatedly. Useful links are key, unnecessary ones just get in the way. If I had to try to classify it, that might mean mainly tangible things. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

== X-type vs. X type ==

I was under the impression that the word "Pokémon" or "move" or whatever had to actually ''be'' there in order for it to be "X-type" instead of "X type". I even said so to {{user|GrammarFreak01}} when they asked me about it on my talk page. Just watch the {{series|Sun & Moon}} Pokédex entries. They seem to be agreeing with me, since in them, it's always "<Pokémon>, the <category name> Pokémon. A(n) X type". The subtitles have confirmed that it's "X type", not "X-type". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:37, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:It seems even the games have some rare examples of this, like [[Acerola]], ''"And your Rotom is a Ghost type, too!"''. I think this is poorly thought out and fundamentally wrong, but I will leave it there and I won't argue with it beyond that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. So I take that I can undo your undoings on the memory articles? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:50, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Move policy ==

While I understand what you are trying to accomplish with this new rule, I honestly see the forbiddence of using one's own head while determining unnamed moves as absurd. 
First off: you removed {{m|Psycho Cut}} and {{m|Air Slash}}, when they '''fit''' one of the categories you named. Psycho Cut has been used in the Sun & Moon series before, with identical animation, and so has Air Slash, even to the point where it was used in the '''very same episode''', in case the comparison couldn't be easier! 
Second: why is the use of common sense apparently forbidden in this issue? Like, what else could Necrozma's laser-like move '''be''' than its own signature move {{m|Prismatic Laser}}? Why can't [[Mallow's Tsareena]]'s {{m|Sweet Scent}} be confirmed as such, when we've seen it being used in an '''identical way''' by its two pre-evolutions? 
Third: we rely '''way''' too much on subtitles when it comes to identifying unnamed moves. I'm telling you, some of these "confirmations" should be taken with a '''serious''' grain of salt. For example, why does Litten/Torracat know so many different slashing/scratching moves? Shouldn't we just go with the move that's actually named out loud? In some cases, these "confirmations" haven't even come in episodes where the move is used for the first time, like [[Nebby]]'s crying being suddenly classified as "{{m|Supersonic}}", which should be an even further indication that the subtitles aren't as reliable as some want to believe. And what about the cases when the subtitles fail to recognize something what is undoubtedly a move '''as''' a specific move? What then? What about [[Lusamine]]'s {{p|Salazzle}}'s attack from [[SM053]], which could easily be {{m|Sludge Wave}}? Why wasn't [[Kiawe's Marowak]]'s {{m|Bonemerang}} named in its debut episode, despite clearly being used in it (further evidence for the unreliability of subtitles), with the subtitlers rather labeling {{m|Headbutt}} as a move, although it has never been commanded to to be used out loud (thus indicating that it was just a generic headbutt and not a move), while all of Marowak's other moves have, which, based on the fact that anime has been sticking to the "only four moves at a time" policy from the games for a good while already, as evidenced by, say [[Ash's Pikachu]]? So, in short, I consider that subtitles '''can''' be used as '''help''' while identifying unnamed moves, but they shouldn't be trusted blindly. And if something that resembles a move is used without it being named by the dialogue '''or''' the subtitles, it should '''seriously''' be discussed and determined. 
I honestly feel that Bulbapedia is actively hurting itself removing all this information. Please. Try to understand my points. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:I totally agree with [[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] statement, especially in the upcoming episode of Poipole World that is going even more '''serious''' discussion and debate, wheather that location is [[Ultra Megalopolis]] or another unknown location that only appears in the anime-exclusive. So many questions to answers. It just really don't know, where it going to end. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 06:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::FinnishPokéFan92: you say that Psycho Cut and Air Slash fit a category I named. In my last message on your talk page I left two bullet points on your page in a "simple" criteria for the policy; can you please quote the one that you say fits?
::I'm going to put off touching the rest until that is answered. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

== Questions about files ==

How do I change files on Bulbapedia? Am I allowed to change this file if it looks different in my copy of Emerald? [[File:Hoenn Route 132 RSE.png|80px]] [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
:That's an RSE map. If it's different in Emerald, it may still be accurate for R/S, so it may not be right to upload over it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::What's the answer to my first question? How do I know if it's accurate for RS, and what do I do after I find out? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
:::How is it different in Emerald? Is it possible for you to upload an image to show what is different?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::::How do I change files on Bulbapedia? Do you want me to upload it directly to Bulbapedia or upload it to Imgur and link to it here? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Bulbapedia files are on the Archives. If you're not certain about something, using a simple image hoster temporarily is probably best. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::[https://i.imgur.com/VPstLqb.png the image] So far, the only difference I've noticed is the arrangement of the current tiles leading from the east end to Fisherman Ronald. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for being late, I got busy a bit and forgot.
:::::::Is that your own image? I think Emerald ''is'' different, but I do not think that is an accurate image from Emerald. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::How do I make sure that image is accurate? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Are you asking how to check it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well...I mean, does that mean you didn't take the image yourself? (If you did it should be "accurate".) If not, you can only compare the currents very closely. It may help to blow up your image so you can see the detail better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::I didn't take it myself. I don't know if it's accurate; I only know that it's ''more accurate'' than the current (yes pun intended) one on Bulbapedia. How can I take a screenshot myself? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::There's one small area that's different between the images, and that difference isn't accurate to either game as I know them, so I'm not sure it's more accurate. But anyway...
:::::::::::::Emulators usually have ways to take screenshots I think, but if that's not what you're using, you usually need a capture card. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Can I do anything if I have neither an emulator nor a capture card? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't think so? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== item split proposal ==

in this items section: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hoenn_Route_104#Items the hidden items for gen 3 and gen 6 are put together because theyre the same items, but i want to propose that its better to split them up. for gen 6 the description would remain the same but for gen 3 i would put a more specific description like "three squares east of fisherman" or something so it would be easier to find them. what do you think? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:FWIW it is possible to be equally specific for Gen VI. But...I was of the same mind before. It was decided that it's better to just be generic and keep to one entry if possible. (I have a secret desire to some day just make versions of the game maps with all items explicitly labeled including marking hidden items.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::curious how u would be specific for gen 6 since u might hold the direction key a bit too long or short and be off by a bit from the location. also okay i will just leave the items generic the way they are --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:56, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::The descriptors shouldn't be overly specific (like three squares to the left). "Holding the direction key for too long" is not the fault of the description, that's on the player.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::u mean they shouldnt be overly specific for non hidden items right? For hidden items I feel like they should be.. cuz thats what ive been doing for all my hidden item edits so far lol --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:53, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::If you can hold the key too long in ORAS/XY, you can do the same in any previous games. Gen VII is the only time where you've had NO discrete steps.
:::::I don't care if directions for hidden items are specific where they're the same in any games they appear in. If they would be different (and therefore require different entries or other complications), they should just be generic. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::i understand that a description for a hidden item should be generic if the item appears in multiple games to avoid different entries. i wanna know how you would make a specific description in oras/xy. would you just say like "three steps east of fisherman"? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 13:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::What do you mean how? If the item is located 3 steps east of a fisherman, then "three steps east of fisherman" would be accurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::hmm i dont know, i just feel like pre gen 6 its very clearly defined what a step is cuz you would just press a direction key once and you would always be on a certain square. in gen 6 i can tap the direction key gently and i go a tiny distance or i may accidentally hold it for a millisecond longer and go a further distance. my point is that i dont really agree about your point of "if you hold it too long in gen 6, you can in the previous games" --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I think you must be confusing Gen VI and VII. I would suggest getting out XY/ORAS and trying to move a step. It is not hard. The movement grid was not removed until Gen VII (though they did let you "break" it in XYORAS). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::EternalDragon, "pressing the directional button for too long" is not our problem. It's not the fault of the wiki. That's the fault of the player. We cannot control how "long" a player presses a button. It's simply not an issue.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

==Anime moves SM088==
Hey, I wanted to ask about a couple of moves and whether you think they can identified and be added to their respective articles.
* Flash Cannon (used by Solgaleo)
* Moonblast (used by Lunala)
* Air Slash (used by Lunala)
* Prismatic Laser (used by Necrozma)
I think the former two can be identified, because of unique animation. They both look identical to how they have always appeared in the past; Flash Cannon is a silver beam of energy and Moonblast is a pink orb of energy while the moon is shown in the background. Additionally, Flash Cannon and Moonblast have already been used in the Sun & Moon series (by Sophocles's Metang and Lusamine's Clefable). Solgaleo and Lunala's attacks matched the appearance of their respective moves.

Air Slash has been used by Gladion's Silvally. Lunala's attack looked identical to this one.

While Prismatic Laser has not appeared yet in the anime, it looks like the move's appearance in the games. I decided to include this one, because of the recent discussion on Sunsteel Strike, which you approved because it matched its game animation.

So, what do you think? [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 16:24, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:Relatively simple energy beams are always iffy to me. But you do say Flash Cannon's been seen before; would you be able to tell me what episodes and an episode where it's explicitly identified/called?
:I like the moon element for Moonblast, that seems like a solid differentiator. Would you also be able to tell me somewhere it's been explicitly ID'd just so there's one more bit of evidence?
:Air Slash, I'm really not sure. If it's not unique enough to be added to the whitelist in its own right, then I worry about how any change would play out considering what happened with {{m|Psycho Cut}} for [[SM053]] previously. I and/or we (meaning everyone who usually adds moves and gave it a pass) need to figure out why that sort of error was made and how to avoid anything similar if the rules will change.
:Sunsteel Strike (FWIW) wasn't approved just because it matched its animation, but because that animation was also quite distinct from any other move.
:Anyway, I'll take a good look at the moves and see what I think, and see if the rest of staff has any input. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
::Flash Cannon was used and called in SM086 (near the end of the episode against Team Rocket) and in SM088 (around the 9-minute mark against Necrozma). Moonblast was used in SM053, also near the end of the episode. This one was identified by the dub's closed captions. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 14:55, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Silvally was ordered to use Air Slash in the same episode where Lunala used it. The animation and colors are identical, so I'd consider it confirmed. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier articles ==

May I know why you deleted the articles on the Battle Frontier facilities which were created by {{u|TehPerson}}? The reason you provided on your edit summary makes zero amount of sense considering way back in '''2013''' {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} approved the split. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 14:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:Immediately apparent here is a really big assumption on your part.
:Namely: that I know what you are referring to when you say SM approved it in 2013.
:Perhaps you could help by pointing to where that was? (In the future as well, if you can, essentially, "source" your comments with links or something, that can help a lot if someone else doesn't know what you're referring to (which is probably not a good assumption to make usually).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::Is it so hard to go to the talk page and search for a comment SM left in 2013? Apparently so. [[Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation III)#Splitting suggestion|Here you have it]]. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 14:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to reward that attitude by doing work for you... Either I can spend who-knows-how-long to look for something you know and I don't every time you do anything like this, or I can try to prompt you to remember to provide these answers yourself sooner rather than later. It shouldn't be a horrible courtesy I'm asking. If you wish to respond to my request, I will be happy to respond further, otherwise, you'll have to be satisfied with what you can make from this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::What are you even talking about now? I responded to your request and provided a link. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I realized that just posting. I apologize, I seem to have missed the link at the end of your message. I think when I saw that my mind thought it was a signature. (Again...the abrasive attitude didn't help anything either, though.)
:::::So, it shouldn't really be hard to imagine, but I did not read that part of the talk page when I checked to see if the split that TehPerson had performed was approved. (I don't really understand why you might think I would have seen it and ignored it, certainly without explicitly acknowledging it.)
:::::For what it's worth, the Generation IV pages do not seem to have been approved. Also, SnorlaxMonster's message said "'''we''' can make progress", which does not necessarily mean "proceed entirely at your own discretion". Beyond which, 5 years is a long time. If TehPerson knew about that message, it still would have been very reasonable to ask someone on {{bp|staff}} directly (perhaps even SnorlaxMonster himself) just to check, even referencing SnorlaxMonster's old comment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:17, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::So you're essentially saying that you, by clicking on a button, undid all the hard work TehPerson put on creating those pages because you failed to read the talk page? Is that correct?
::::::What SM really said in that comment is that the split hadn't been performed yet because '''we''' didn't have all the necessary pages ready. '''We''' made progress when TehPerson went and created those pages.
::::::Anyway, are you going to undo your own edits now? At least the Generation III pages have been approved. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I read the talk page. Sorry if I'm not perfect. That's why all you beautiful people are here to help. (Though I'd appreciate it a bit more if it was rendered with less hostility. =P )
:::::::I'm not going to undo anything right now. There's no great rush.
:::::::I'm just going to wait until I know for sure what our decision is rather than presume. Patience. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== Professor Willow special research ==
Hi, I followed the pre-existing format for "A Mythical Discovery" which was omitting the very last sentence of each phase and used bullet points for items. Should you want to reintroduce correct phrasing, you may find video reference for the following researches:
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEjrqrBi1iM GO Fest 2018]
*[https://youtu.be/_WsWgCIaixk Yokosuka]
Also you removed "Special Research" from "A Mythical Discovery" and "A Ripple in Time" but not from "Go FEST 2018" and "Pokémon GO Safari Zone in YOKOSUKA", was this intended? [[User:JaxomNC|JaxomNC]] ([[User talk:JaxomNC|talk]]) 03:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:There is no format to "follow" for quotes except to represent as precisely as possible what a character's dialogue actually shows. We don't want to invent anything where there is no need, we want to document the game faithfully. (And Willow's dialogue for the Mythical Discovery steps did not have any "last sentence" with all the tasks, it did actually list the tasks on their own lines (with no bullet points).)
:Thanks for the links. Like I said, I deferred any substantial edits to the two variants until I had seen them myself (because, as I said, they should reflect as precisely as possible what the game shows). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

== Notability ==

Hello! I saw that you undid a revision I made on [[Trainers' School (Alola)]] due to notability. I'm still new here and figuring out the conventions, and I couldn't find a solid answer on the [[Bulbapedia:Notability requirements]] page. What typically makes something not notable? Was there anything specific about that change that I should avoid doing in the future? Thank you! [[User:Butterfreeism|'''–Butterfreeism''']] 01:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:I was mostly using notable as a common word rather than in the specific sense on the page you linked. It's just kind of pointless to note that [whatever] is only found in "this" area. Either the person is already there and will find the Pokemon if they want to, or they're not (or they may leave and forget) and if they want to find that Pokemon there's a very convenient species page where they will be well able to find a location where they can look for it, regardless of whether there's one place or more. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::Understood! Thanks for the insight! :) [[User:Butterfreeism|'''–Butterfreeism''']] 06:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

== Oluolu ==

The [[SM091|newest episode of the anime]] confirms that exclusive Z-Moves need specific moves as their basis in the anime too. Should this count as a sign that [[Oluolu]]'s {{p|Snorlax}} knows {{m|Giga Impact}} to perform {{m|Pulverizing Pancake}}, despite it never having been seen using Giga Impact? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:I'll see if the rest of staff have any qualms about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'll be waiting.
::Oh, and I also remembered: doesn't this also mean that [[Nebby]] learned {{m|Sunsteel Strike}} immediately after evolving in [[SM052]], given how it was able to perform {{m|Searing Sunraze Smash}} in the same episode? And, by extension, shouldn't that be proof that the move Nebby used in [[SM053]] wasn't just "a glowing headbutt"? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::No... Even supposing Nebby knew Sunsteel Strike, there's no reason to assume that's what it was doing. There are very unique parts of Sunsteel Strike that were not at all seen there; that's a huge leap of logic. Frankly, there's no reason to assume Nebby was using any move, as opposed to just building up power and smashing through the rock. Not everything HAS to be a move. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Your scepticism is way too over the top... --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::I don't exactly want to "shout", but I'm honestly a little astounded if you don't understand this huge point... '''"There are very unique parts of Sunsteel Strike that were not at all seen"'''. That's not overly skeptical, that's ''only'' reasonable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I'm sorry (like, not sarcastic or anything), in the midst of my reaction above, I did forget to mention... Yes, it's okay to say that a Pokemon knows the base move if it uses an exclusive Z-Move. (It doesn't count as a use of the base move in and of itself, though. For that it'd have to be identifiable by the same criteria as any anime move.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

== Undoing edits ==

Regarding the edit you [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Generations&diff=2858945&oldid=2858907 undid] on the [[Pokémon Generations]] page.

Why?

Maybe Bulbapedia doesn't make it a priority to use dashes the way style guides recommend, and maybe we're not going to make a [[wp:MOS:DASH|policy]] to "enforce" proper usage. But what reason is there to enforce it in the opposite direction? Where's the Bulbapedia policy on that? Just because an edit didn't need to be done, doesn't mean it needs to be ''un''done.

I don't know if Bulbapedia has an explicitly-stated equivalent policy, but Wikipedia has certain guidelines with regards to undoing people's edits. Per [[wp:WP:REVERT#Before reverting|WP:REVERT]]:

''"Consider carefully before reverting, as it rejects the contributions of another editor. […] In the edit summary or on the talk page, succinctly explain why the change you are reverting was a bad idea or why reverting it is a better idea."''

"We don't normally bother with that" isn't good enough. Why is undoing it better than leaving it alone? How is the article improved by your reversion? — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 18:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:I guess I'm just responding to your logic. You said/are saying that endash is the "right" thing to use, meaning it should always be used. I don't think there's actually a passive/lazy middle ground like you're suggesting.
:And IMO it's really not worth making anyone type out "ndash" or copy the right symbol. Not when I'm sure most people wouldn't even notice any difference just reading either version, or have ''any'' idea that it's a "thing" (meaning there'd just have to be other people watching out for it all the time—again, not worth it). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
::What you're saying is, in your opinion, it wasn't worth it to make the edit. That was already established. That doesn't explain why it's worth it to undo. [[wp:WP:DONTREVERT|Don't revert edits just because they're not a significant improvement.]] — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 04:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::We are not Wikipedia. We have our rules, and they have there's. The point TiddlyWinks is trying to make is that you didn't have to make the edit in the first place. It was unnecessary, that's why it was reverted.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I would add, it's "worth" undoing because a mix of styles is not "good" either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::You guys aren't very good at clicking links, are you?
:::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary#Bad_reasons_to_revert
:::::''"Do not revert an edit because that edit is unnecessary"''
:::::I don't know how it could possibly be any clearer. Just because an editor isn't following ''your'' agenda, doesn't mean it's your responsibility to stamp them out. This is a wiki. It's collaborative.
:::::And as far as the "mix of styles" argument, there are two reasons why that's nonsense. First, because "most people wouldn't even notice any difference just reading either version," as ''you'' said. No reader would ever see that dash and think, "That needs to be changed to a hyphen," yet you made that change anyway. And second, why should we be complacent about this punctuation issue but not others? Even if "most people" don't know or care about the difference between ''its'' and ''it's'', we still want our articles to look like they're written by people who do, which is why we don't reintroduce errors after people fix them. — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 14:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::News flash: we are not beholden to Wikipedia. (Which ForceFire already pointed out.)
:::::For the rest: refer again to my original explanation of why it's ''not worth'' it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

== Not-up-to-standards Messages- SM075 - SM088 ==

Hi Tiddlywinks,

I am messaging you in regards to the not up to standards messages on the sm075 through to sm088 episode plot pages. They were placed on the respective pages by GrammarFreak01 several weeks ago, and have yet to be rectified. I had earlier attempted to edit the sm075 plot, but the not up to standards message was reinstated by GrammarFreak01. I don't feel the current alerts are necessary to begin with as most of the pages were edited in response to FinnishPokeFan92's concerns, but I want the best result. As the user suggested, and because he is busy, could you or ForceFire look over those pages and make the necessary changes to delete the alerts? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

:Let me clarify that the tags are up there because there are some leftover errors that were most likely missed during the cleanup process. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive as Trivia ==

I've seen that you deleted my added trivia fact on the Pokémon Blue Japanese version page. I do agree that this fact may not be trivia-worthy, however on the Pokémon Yellow page, there is an exact same trivia fact on Farfetch'd. Perhaps it would benefit consistency to delete the trivia-fact from that page too then?

''Out of all the [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games, this is the only one where {{p|Jynx}} can be caught in the wild; in the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} as well as in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, this Pokémon is only available by means of an [[in-game trade]]. In {{game|Yellow}} Jynx is unobtainable altogether.''

I think the 'uniqueness' in this regard is that Jynx cannot be caught in the wild in ANY International version of the games and Farfetch'd cannot be caught in ANY Japanese version. Not sure whether later games have this kind of trade-only Pokémon across all core games within one generation. Obviously it's all not that important, but the wiki is at a state right now where only small improvements are necessary, so we got the time to nitpick.

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 4

2018-10-19T16:29:31Z

Malzagath: /* Version Exclusive as Trivia */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3]] (through Feb 22, 2017)

== Radiant Sun/Full Moon ==

Why do we have the Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms on Solgaleo/Lunala's pages and the form differences page? When I added Reshiram's and Zekrom's active forms to their pages it was removed because they aren't counted in the Pokédex like Xerneas's neutral mode, but yet Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms are also not counted in the Pokédex, yet are on their pages. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:In Solgaleo/Lunala's case, [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ the official site] called them forms. (Whether that should be OK may be arguable.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Adding on, there are some Pokémon who have form differences recognized by the Pokédex but yet don't have their forms in the box at the top of the page (eg Furfrou). Should they be added? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Rotom is basically the high end of what we're willing to accomodate in the infobox. If there is a ''strongly'' compelling reason in the future, we might consider more, but something like Furfrou is simply impractical and relatively trivial—little benefit to worry about including it. It's fine with a gallery. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

== Your help ==

..was unexpected in both "I didn't expect you to help" and "Why exactly did you do [[Special:Diff/2604502|that]]" kind of way. So, thanks for the former, but for the latter, was that more an "oh my Nesci now just get over that class=expandable thing its bad nobody wants that", or rather an "i still have javascript disabled so i must've cleaned up and nothing more ♪♫♪♫"? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:It took me a bit to parse your actual question here...but yes, I don't enable Javascript if I don't need it, and all I saw was apparently pointless HTML tags in the diff. I might've said about as much except I try not to sound too much like an ass (because sometimes people just don't know), so instead of writing something like, "That's weird yo", I just simplified the reason very, very basically.
:That said, the first table is '''super''' short, collapsing it seems a bit pointless. In fact, actually reading that one, IMO it'd be better to just make those nested bullet points instead of a whole table (like [[Experience#Gain formula]]); or just nest the technical note about Gen I-II specifically. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:56, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
::Um, sorry for being cryptic, I thought you'd remember we already talked about that. Yo.
::Thanks for the nested bullet points idea, sounds good, I'll try to see how that might work out. But for the ''other'' table, you accidently removed the expandable part (more or less), there wasn't a hidden anti-javascript agenda or something, right? (I know that HTML tags look weird—it's a workaround because for some reason, using * will always push everything down to the next line; so I'd prefer to restore that.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Hiding the ''entire'' table isn't generally the smart thing in any case. If you're going to collapse a table, you can generally just do it right on the table in question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

== Z-Moves ==

I made a template at [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Z-Moves]] to assist with accessibility for Z-Move pages, similar to the "Variations of _" on a lot of move pages. I was wondering if it's ok for me to mainspace it and put it on all the Z-Move pages. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:05, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Lemme just ask, do you care if I (fairly) radically change the style and then mainspace it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::No, I don't mind. Go ahead! --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::It looks awesome, thanks man. But I really think that having an MS for the species Z-Moves would be beneficial. Is there any way we can still implement it? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::They are pretty. But they make that part relatively big too. I don't think it's so bad since it's all summarized on the [[Z-Move]] page too already. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

==Aether House==
If you don't like my edit, find some other way to deal with '''misleading''' information that could give people the wrong idea of when Porygon could be collect. I am stating this from an intelligent standpoint, not to show any rudeness. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Never mind, did not see that. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

==RE:Moving pages==
Can you move the page [[Gracidea (Sinnoh)]] to [[Gracidea Garden]]. After duscussion and waiting a long time, other users agreed and no one opposed the move. See [[Talk:Gracidea (Sinnoh)]] for further details. Or can you contact an Editorial Board member, as said on the [[Bulbapedia:Editorial Board]] page. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 19:18, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Verity Lakefront ==

You changed [[Verity Lakefront]]'s text box back to a default text box after I changed it to a route text box. It is stated in the [[list of routes]] on Bulbapedia that the [[Sinnoh]] lakefronts are routes. It even says on the [[lakefront]] page of Bulbapedia that the lakefronts are routes. The three lakefronts are routes, thus deserving a route text box. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 22:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:"List of routes" is not the criteria for deciding whether a location should have a "route" infobox. I'd be hard pressed to define exactly what those criteria are because there ''are'' a few places that are not numbered routes where we use a route infobox (and I'm OK with those), but if you want me to, I can try to figure out what the specifics are/should be. For now, though, please trust me that the lakefronts are regular locations, not routes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::The [[lakefront]] page also states that these areas are [[route]]s. Also, if these lakefronts don't get route infoboxes, then why does [[Spring Path]] get a route infobox? The lakefronts are much more like routes, for most of the lakefronts actually have [[tall grass]]. Spring Path is such an obscure location. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 22:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::To attempt some loose/theoretical explanations, "Spring '''Path'''" closely suggests something like a route, so it was perhaps easy to just put Route infobox there. A "lakefront" sounds more like a simple location, however.
:::This is not strictly justification, but, again, explanation for the current state of things (i.e., a basic answer to your "why"). The presence or absence of tall grass also doesn't really make or break a route, because plenty of locations (like the lakes themselves) have grass, and some routes don't (e.g., [[Kalos Route 1]]).
:::Sort of like I said above, it may be that we should solidify some criteria for what locations deserve Route infobox and which ones deserve Infobox location.
:::Let me ask (and try to answer this as earnestly as you can): why exactly did you change the template? Was it strictly because there was a '''route''' infobox template, and those pages weren't using it even though that's what you thought they were? Or was it more because you wanted to see the connecting locations like routes show them (and thankfully for you, the lakefronts are identified as "routes" in some places)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Another path in [[Sinnoh]], called [[Seabreak Path]], is a path and is considered a [[route]], similar to [[Spring Path]], yet Seakbreak Path doesn't get a route infobox. Seabreak Path is also on the [[list of routes]] here on Bulbapedia. I may fix the infobox later, since Seabreak Path is considered a route and a "path." I adjusted the [[lakefront]] infoboxes purely because the lakefronts are considered routes, and route infoboxes belong to routes. It makes sense to give a route an infobox literally called a "route infobox." I thought it was just common knowledge. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 00:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I also wasn't suggesting that '''all''' routes have [[tall grass]], but most of them do. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 00:58, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The contrast of Spring Path and Seabreak Path perhaps gives you your best answer: there probably wasn't any rigorous thought about it all. This is a public wiki. It can be easy for certain "habits" to start small and slowly spread, very possibly via different people, and without perfect rhyme/reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Do you approve of my change of the [[Seabreak Path]] infobox? --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 01:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm basically leaving it all alone at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Another template I thought might be useful ==

I'm not sure if there's a need for it, but I made a template [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Spritebox/MS/1]] for menusprites to be used in the sprites section of a Pokemon. I was thinking there would be another for Gen IV, Gen V, Gen VI, and Gen VII Pokemon. This one would be used for Gen 1-3 Pokemon. Is there any that needs to be changed and would there be a need for it in the mainspace? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 21:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:I just realized... Would there be any way to do Gen I and Gen II menu sprites? I know that there are just general sprites like "Ball" and "Quadruped". --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
::Just so you both know, the old menu sprites and their Pokémon are listed [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Original era menu sprites|here]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 22:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:::This is awesome! I'll try to add this in. {{unsigned|Celadonkey}}
::::All updated! Thanks. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 23:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Maybe.
:::::One problem about the template is that it basically requires changing when there's a new generation, when it's generally been our goal recently to avoid that in templates with such wide use as all Pokemon.
:::::You can keep it around, but it's not something that can be signed off on easily given its wide effect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::True, true. Is there any way I can rework this so that it would not have that problem? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If you want to try, you're welcome to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Alright, but how would I go about doing that? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't know how much you know about templates, but if you need to, I'd suggest checking out your welcome template links or introductions on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Then, you can try looking at what we do with other templates that are designed to avoid this, like dex, availability, and sprites on Pokemon pages.
:::::::::Beyond that, I don't know how to tell you exactly what to do without just as well doing it myself (which I won't). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:21, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I had an idea... What if there were templates for each box I already have (for example, a Gen I menu sprite template) and then those templates would be put together on a "master template" of sorts to be used on the Pokémon's page to make the full chart? This way, instead of all of the templates being modified every time a new generation comes, the sub templates would be adjusted appropriately, or if a new gen has completely new menu sprites, a new sub template would be created and added to the master template. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Actually, it might be a better idea to build the sub-templates on the Pokémon page itself instead of using a master template, because with a master template, we'd need different master templates depending on the game the Pokémon was introduced in - a different template would be needed for Bulbasaur and Dedenne, if that makes any sense. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

== Does this count? ==

I found a way to make Rockruff's Pokédex Entry from the anime Japanese. The translation in also there. does this count? {{unsigned|Hamfart}}
:I don't think we add dex entries until they're dubbed. On that understanding, I don't think it should be added.
:However, I don't really know the anime. You may wish to direct your question to a staff member who's more familiar instead. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== Archives ==

Am I allowed to move my archive back to my own page? I archived my talk page for no reason and want it back to my regular talk page. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:If your new page hadn't really been touched, that might be an interesting question, but since it has, it's kind of too late to ask. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, rats. So I can't copy the code from the archive and place it at the top of my talk page? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::That entirely defeats the purpose of maintaining the history. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah, alright. Thanks anyways. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

== Weather Trio ==

The page [[Weather trio]] should be moved to Super-ancient Pokémon, an official term. It's been discussed on the talk page since early 2015, but we haven't gotten any response from the staff, but yet... Ataro has made a page [[Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)]]. Can it be moved? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:It sounds to me like you want to talk to Ataro rather than me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::I dunno, I know that the comics are Ataro's thing and this isn't really a comics thing. I may bring it up to SnorlaxMonster, or someone. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 02:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Gen VII Images ==

Hey, I was wondering about how to upload images to the [[Bulbagarden Archives|Archives]]. I have a few images for moves from [[Generation VII]], and I am unable to upload them to the Archives. It says I'm not yet a confirmed user. I saw that you are active on the Archives, so I thought that you might know how to upload these images. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 03:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:The Archives has an {{bp|autoconfirmed}} status similar to Bulbapedia. The long and short of it is, if you look around (which may not be an entirely trivial task, but also isn't impossible), you should be able to find some things you can edit/improve on the Archives to earn that status and be able to make uploads.
:That said, do be aware that, in order to upload images from 3DS games, you [[a:Archives:Messages from the Council#November 9|have to have permission]] first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Which page to put name locations on ==

Hey there! You recently reverted an edit I did to the Gen II base stats structure page, citing that information of default names for Pokémon doesn't fit there (presumably as it's not part of the 32-byte structure). So as not to get in an edit war, I figure we'll hash it out before doing anything. I'd argue it ''does'' fit on the base stats structure page, as it - as all the other properties on the page - is something common to and used for all Pokémon of the species. I'd go as far as to say the page shouldn't be about one single data structure (which the page title doesn't really imply, after all), but rather the how base stats of the Pokémon are stored in general.

Putting it on the character encoding page, as you suggested, makes no sense at all: the name data has nothing to do with the encoding of the characters at all, and isn't used in any related contexts. Seeing as the name data is used when creating a Pokémon and on summary screens, just like the rest of the base statistics... I'd say that's the best place. Not putting it anywhere isn't an option either, as that'd simply be withholding potentially useful information, which we of course don't want to do. What do you think? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 23:27, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
:Like you say: the list of names is very plainly a '''very''' different thing from the list of base stats. You're grasping at reasons to shoehorn that list into the page, when the only truly logical approach is to limit it to a single, readily identifiable structure. Based on what you're saying, we may as well have Gen III's base stats structure and Pokedex data structures on the same page; they're at least based on the same indices, which is ''basically'' equivalent to your argument for the list of names.
:The best thing you could really argue for would perhaps be a ''different'' page altogether, one that could reasonably mention all the data relating to species. That seems like a bit of a weird idea to me, though, so I'm very unsure how such a page would be made, personally.
:Anyway, I don't see the base stats structure page as being an appropriate place for it at all. If you have any better suggestions, I'm all ears. I'm basically okay with just saying it fits nowhere and removing it altogether if you think that's best, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

::Sorry, I don't at all follow your extrapolation here. Not sure where the "like you say" part comes from, either - I'm not "grasping", it's quite logical. Here's an a bit more structured summary of how and why they strongly relate:

::* The "base stats" for a Pokémon is data that's used in any combination of a few ways. Not all of them have to be true for a point of data to be considered "base stats", as is apparent from their inclusion in the main structure. The ways are:
::** '''Informing choices when constructing a Pokémon''' (wild held item, gender ratio)
::** '''Basic, unchanging values for how the Pokémon acts''' (types, base stats, egg cycles, dimensions of sprite, growth rate, egg groups, TM/HM flags, catch rate, Exp. yield)
::** '''Basic, unchanging values used on the Pokémon's summary screen''' (types, base stats, dimensions of sprite)
::** And yes, even '''used in the species's Pokédex entry''': the sprite dimensions byte.
::* In comparison, the default name of a Pokémon is used in the following ways:
::** '''Informing choices when constructing a Pokémon''' - all wild Pokémon get their names from the list.
::** '''Basic, unchanging value for how the Pokémon acts''' - if the Pokémon's name differs from the species, it is considered nicknamed, which has an effect when the Pokémon was received in a trade.
::** '''Basic, unchanging value displayed on the Pokémon's summary screen''' - the species name is simply displayed under the nickname.
::** In addition, it is just like the sprite dimension byte '''used in the species's Pokédex entry'''.

::That's 4/4 of the purposes filled.

::It's not really possible to, as you did, extrapolate my argument to combining the Pokédex data (which I was looking at just earlier today for Gen II; should make a nice new page) page with the base stats structure page, as the Pokédex data has no actual impact on the Pokémon. If you edit the Pokédex data, all Pokémon of that species look and act the same, with no difference even to the summary screen. Of course, as I mentioned, "removing it altogether" is ''not an option'' - skipping out on providing real information, even if it were to prevent meta-level "shoehorning" (which I really do contest), goes against the very purpose of a wiki. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 01:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::You're talking about base stats as a very abstract concept.
:::The page [[Pokémon base stats data structure in Generation II]] is explicitly about a specific structure, about a contiguous set of data (a list) with entries corresponding to different Pokemon.
:::The list of names is a WHOLLY different list. It's not logical to conflate both of those things on a page called "Pokémon base stats data structure". It's TWO structures.
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::: They're two different contiguous data masses in memory, sure, but they're used in the same contexts. I say "Pokémon base stats data structure" can just as well mean "the structure of Pokémon base stats" (which may well include "the data is structured as part of these two parts of memory") as it can, as you assume, "this specific contiguous structure type in memory". Very logical, all in all.
:::: Really - the page in question is the absolute best fit for information on this, hands-down. I'd say it's a really good fit, but even if you don't agree with ''that'', you'd be hard pressed to find a page where it would fit better. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The page isn't about context. It's about a specific data structure. The one on the page. Not the list of names.
:::::...I'll go ahead and ask (even though the answer would seem obvious if you're delving this stuff at all): Do you have any experience with computer programming? Because as someone who does, I can tell you, the page title just is NOT interpretable the way you want it to be. (And those pages are by their very nature incredibly technical, meaning that is the most reasonable way to interpret it.) It's one structure. Not anything kinda with the same feel. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I am a programmer. And I really, really, don't appreciate the condescending tone you're taking. That someone doesn't agree with you does ''not'' mean they don't understand. Frankly, the fact that you choose to ask despite saying "the answer would seem obvious" tells me the entire point of the question is to be condescending, which... well, I'm not going to dignify that with further argument.
::::::Now that that's out of the way: I'm definitely qualified to say that yes, it is interpretable that way. Obviously it is, since I'm interpreting that way. It seems to be subjective, though, since you don't agree - you're taking it as a "data structure" (as what you'd call a struct in C, for example), but seeing as the page is called "Pokémon base stats data structure" and not "'''The''' Pokémon base stats data structure", it may just as well be taken as "the structure of Pokémon base stats data".
::::::You seem to be dodging a certain question a bit: what page makes for a better fit than that one? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 02:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I absolutely don't claim to always be the most politic, but I certainly don't mean to be condescending. Mostly I'm just frustrated by your views when it seems so obvious to me. I'm sorry if that comes off wrong.
:::::::I'm not dodging any question: I ''put'' it where it better belongs. (As you said, you disagree. I guess I didn't see any point in going into that part more; I wanted to focus on what I ''expected'' would be a more fruitful direction...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::So, first of all - how come you get to decide where it "better belongs"? Probably because you're a junior admin, huh.
::::::::In any case, I definitely oppose it being on the character encoding page. The character encoding is used for the names, sure, but it's also used for ''everything else'' in the game. If you put info on the species names there, why not put info on all the locations and structure of dialogue? For the Pokédex descriptions? For the list of items, the list of moves, the list of abilities, the list of trainer types? Because the contents of those have nothing to do with the character encoding except being encoded with it, just like the list of species names. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 07:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

{{indent}}Like I said right off the bat...if you want to offer a third solution for where it belongs, I'm all ears. When people have differing opinions, that sort of thing is ''always'' a great option if at all possible. You've spent a lot of bytes trying to "prove" your opinion above when I already suggested to you a third option. By all means, try creating some user page to try to address it. I certainly see the point of your complaint; ''I'm'' not perfectly happy with it either, but it's better than the only other alternative currently. I would be very happy to have a third option. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::And what I'm trying to do is convince you that no, making a separate page is not reasonable at this time (which you've said yourself). However, it is much more reasonable to have it on the page where I put it than on the character encoding page. Do I simply not have a say in the whole thing? You moved it elsewhere, making my initial placement an impossibility? Is that really how it is? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 13:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::(Sorry to intrude on a talk page, but maybe it's helpful.) I think in an ideal world, we should have main "Data structures in Gen X" pages, with lots of sections that mostly link to the articles we already have, and with another section on the Pokémon names.
:::(Also, if you're interested in a second opinion: I believe if we link to it from the Pokémon structure page (much like we currently do), it should be... fine. Regardless of who is staff and who is not, I believe there are good reasons to not include it on either page, though.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::It's rather curious, LpSamuelm: you think I'm being (more or less) tyrannical, when you're basically asking the same for yourself. Do *I* have no say against what you want? We're two people. We want exactly different things. There's no "winner" in that equation. There's no reason you're more right than I am except that you're sure you are. The idea that this makes me unreasonable or what-have-you is nonsensical.
::::At any rate, I think we've pretty much reached the point where I ''am'' prepared to turn a little "tyrannical" and explicitly throw in the weight of my authority as a staff member. I've tried persuading you and I would have hoped you could see what was obvious to me; but I'm at a loss for what to do when you cannot see it, short of seeking staff opinion. "Luckily", I don't have to look far. =P This is truly what I think is best for the wiki:
::::* The data structure pages should as a rule only describe one structure. That is how those pages should be; not how you want to interpret them.
::::If you want to make a page that touches on more than one structure, get creative. Don't just say it's impossible. I'm '''certain''' you can make a page even if it looks a bit ridiculous. But you're not going to get anywhere so long as you keep thinking it's impossible and declining to even try.
::::It may be important to note that my word is not ABSOLUTE law. To be sure, I have some authority which should be respected. However, there are also {{bp|staff|many people above me}} who you may appeal to if you ever think I (or someone else) am terribly wrong in anything.
::::FWIW and perhaps obviously, I'd prefer if you just moved forward and either tried to work on a solution like I've suggested you can, or if you would just let it go and be productive in other ways. But I won't pretend there aren't other options. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

== Pokétch app icons ==

I get what you mean by your reasoning, but the thing is many [[Pokétch]] apps are already represented in the item lists of the locations they are obtained in by icons other than the Pokétch sprite, and have been so for years now. Some of them are icons of the Pokémon featured in their respective apps, so they make sense, but what I want to ask you now is that what do we do with this thing now? Do we replace all the app icons in item lists with the Pokétch icon, leave them how they are now and just try not to come up with any new ones, or something else? What do you think would be the best solution? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure what to think of those placeholders. When I first saw what you added to [[Sunyshore City]] it just looked wrong. After you've pointed out everything else, I look at, say, [[Pal Park]], and it doesn't seem so bad.
:But. There's also a simple enough solution. Just use the app images from the [[Pokétch]] page for the "sprites". Part of me was thinking for a while that that'd be best, if only! And then I realized we totally have those and we can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== Template edit request ==

In [[SM004]], the [[Rotom Pokédex]] gives a ton of new entries. Besides the obvious Pokémon entries, I chose to add the descriptions it gave about catching Pokémon and Pokémon Centers as well. The first one already had an entry way back in [[EP001]], so it's already been taken care of. However, the entry for Pokémon Centers still has a red link. Could you edit the Pokédex template to remove the red link? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:03, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:It appears to have been taken care of. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:29, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::Yup. {{user|Abcboy}} apparently took care of it before you could. BTW, as I checked out the Pokédex template out of sheer curiosity, I noticed a special entry tag (or whatever it should be called) reading "Togepi's power". I dug into Togepi's article history, and found out that that thing was used for Togepi's second AG entry at some point, but was already taken out in 2010, which was ages ago, but apparently the special note was never removed from the template. Just wondering that shouldn't something unnecessary like that be removed, even if it doesn't technically show up anywhere? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC) PS. Is the "Purpose" part in the template the same thing as "Dexter (purpose)", in other words, repetition and thus unnecessary as well?
:::The template is used on a large number of pages, editing it for something that's currently going to make zero difference isn't altogether wise, so for now it's just fine. (Try to always keep your signature last as well.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Understood. Maybe next time it's really necessary to edit it, that can be done too. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, that time seems to be now. The newest dub episode has two double entries, and the template needs editing once again. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:32, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::The next time you come upon a case that causes an explicit problem in a template like that, can I ask you to consider ''holding off'' on saving it with that problem? Try asking ''first'', so that you're not imposing a red link or something like that. Especially, there should REALLY be an option in {{template|Animedexbody}} that ''doesn't'' require updating such a heavily used template every time a new random odd case pops up. If we don't fix that soon, please try to keep that in mind and ask us BEFORE you use the template in an "unexpected" way again so that we can implement such a fix, which you can then freely use to use the template without problems.
::::::Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::So basically your point is, "Tell first, wait, and ''then'' edit". Gotcha. In that case, I'm now telling you ahead that I'm planning to split {{p|Yanma}}'s OS entry into the main entry and a section called "Yanma's attacks". Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you. I've updated the template. Where you'd put the 2nd parameter, you can now just put <code><nowiki>None|po={{p|Yanma}}'s attack</nowiki></code> (or whatever for anything else that pops up in the future). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you too. I've tested it out on Yanma's page, and it seems simple enough. So I was wondering, should ALL exceptions in Pokédex entries (i.e. all entries not about a Pokémon species) be replaced with this feature so that they don't need to be listed on the template itself, or should they just be left the way they are now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::You don't need to go out of your way, but if you're doing anything else at the same time and you want to redo it, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Would anyone know how to delete an account?[[User:Empoleon042806|Empoleon042806]] ([[User talk:Empoleon042806|talk]]) 15:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if we can delete your account if that's what you want, but we could probably block it indefinitely if that aligns with whatever reason you want it deleted for. If you're perhaps dissatisfied with the name you chose, it can be changed once. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

== Genderless vs. gender unknown ==

I can't find hide nor hair of the phrase "gender unknown" on any of our pages in regard to what you mentioned. If "gender unknown" is the new canonical term for it, shouldn't we change everything to use the correct term? If not, shouldn't [[cosmic duo]] use the same usage we use on every other page? Either way, we should be consistent with one term or the other, not a haphazard mishmash of whichever people feel like. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:I kind of meant you should talk about it "publicly" on the article's talk page, not come to me individually. I think that'd be more useful.
:(FYI, one thing I didn't have space to write is that I'm not rightly sure what makes genderless canon as you claimed. If you can specify the sources you were thinking of, I'd love to know it. Again, though, I don't mean here.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::(The source I was relying on was... the fact that we use the term and don't use a "fan name" template on top of its page. That's all... I'll bring it up on the [[genderless]] talk page, since that disambig seems to be the grandparent of anywhere that might be relevant.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== FP Increasing FC Costs ==

Really, you have to delete a important detail. It was part of a incomplete section. One of the reasons was: Needed Costs for all facility levels for introduction by visitors. Please re-add them.

[[User:Bluebird3639|Bluebird3639]] ([[User talk:Bluebird3639|talk]]) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:That information was actually there already. Nobody remembered about the incomplete template to update it, that's all. Nothing's been lost. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

==Ether==
Hey! Sorry, I was meant to put it in the edit summary, but Ether is the Japanese name and she's called Cherie in English. At least to my understanding, disambiguations don't count if it's the Japanese name and therefore there's no clash in terms of the article names. If not, I'm happy to be corrected.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:If someone's only heard the Japanese name, they could still search for that here, and then if there's no note they'd just be left confused. There may still be ways for them to find it, but that'd be relatively difficult especially if they're not super familiar with us/wikis. I imagine there's other examples of this being done but I wouldn't know where. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Move infobox and "flags" ==

Hey there! I believe you're still the flag officer around here? As you know, they're not exactly all perfectly accurate (as in, they're ''annoyingly'' deserted: half of our infoboxes have <code>mirrormove</code> incorrect, for example, but then there are none of the GenV+ "flags" I pasted on the talk of [[User:Tiddlywinks/Template:MoveInfobox|what I remember you were doing]]). I'm currently doing some related work there (which involves compiling lists of incorrect "flags"), and the more I do, the more I think this needs to be reformed rather radically. Before I go ahead, I want to ask: Do you have an opinion/plan on how to handle "flags" in infoboxes? Assuming there isn't something in the works already, could we (not necessarily just the two of us, but Bulbapedia as a whole) discuss (and eventually settle on) how to handle them? I believe this really needs some conceptual work before anything else (and it is about time!), that's why I'm coming to you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not really grasping what you're getting at. I guess that means no, I don't have any plan or anything. So in short: lay out your ideas. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
::Continued [[Template talk:MoveInfobox#Flag reform|here]]. Note that I added some more "flags". [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Pulse/Wave ==

'''はどう''' is translated as ''Wave'', same as the japanese version of ''Aura'', Lucario's power.--[[User:Martianmister|Martianmister]] ([[User talk:Martianmister|talk]]) 07:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
:Pulse is equivalent. Especially since they were translated in English as "pulse", it's fine to use that in our translations as well, rather than just take the lazy/mechanical route of obeying whatever Japanese-English dictionaries say. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== About the underlevelled Pokemon page ==

I saw that the pictures have been removed and I completely understand why they have been removed. But although an odd question but is SpriteIt still active on Bulbapedia? Because his most recent contributions and activity from what I'm aware of dates back to 2016 at latest. I'm asking as I'm not sure if I will be able to contact SpriteIt regarding his page for permission to have the template modified. If you know any way to contact him it would be great if you could tell me how so I can ask about the change in template. Although preferably it would make the page look better with pictures, if not having them is what he wishes than I'm completely fine either way.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:36, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:My removal of the column is entirely about what I think, not SpriteIt. That table is much too busy for a huge picture of the Pokemon's artwork. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::Cheers for the advice from my talk page.
::Fair enough about the table being too busy for a picture of the Pokemon's artwork.
::Also would it be better to remove the "Picture" column since there are multiple methods of obtaining an underlevelled species of a Pokemon along with the fact that it never was really used to begin with?
::Also if the "Picture" column is removed could I bring back the "Artwork" column? This is since the "Picture" column was never really used to begin with while the added "Artwork" column was used so in my opinion it would make sense to replace the picture column with an artwork column.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't really know how Picture would be used. I think if it gets to where it ''might'' be mainspacable, removing it can be considered, but until then, I'd rather give SpriteIt as much time as possible to respond to the page being edited and give any input (even if it just ends up being "Do whatever").
:::Like you said, the Picture column wasn't really used so even removing it doesn't really change a thing about the rest of the table. The artwork is still relatively huge and everything else relatively busy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Hey I know this is old and most likely this will not be approved but this is why I'm asking here first:
::::Would I be able to make my own Underleveled Pokemon page so I would be able to add my own information and change the template? This is so I can modify the page without distorting SpriteIt's original page format. Also from that page I'm only taking the information I have added there(it's still going to be on the original page however).
:::: If I can't make my own page then is there a way I could contact SpriteIt regarding the page? This is so I can discuss about modifying the original page and get his input before doing anything major since I'm not sure if he goes on Bulbapedia still.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 11:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::The userspace exists for a reason, and we welcome users making use of it to try to develop new pages. If you want to move it in a new direction, you're more than welcome to make a page in your userspace to play with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cheers! I assume I can get the stuff I added from the other page and make a different template?[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 13:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm a bit confused. But I don't think there's a lot of ways you can go wrong. Just dive in, get to it. If there's any issues, we can all figure it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

== Accuracy vs. evasion ==

I had believed you knew this all along, way before I realized it, but now I'm better safe than sorry: As accuracy and evasion stat stages are combined to ''one'' multiplier (Gen III onward), nothing can modify one but not the other. Or, in other words, "boosts its evasion by 25%" is another way to say "decreases accuracy of attacks targeted at it by 4/5". It's shorter and probably more intuitive/natural, but it doesn't allow us to be consistent, nor to link to one of the three consistently (and I understood that you preferred <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code>). (It's also a little less precise technically/mathematically, I guess, but I think that really shouldn't matter.) More or less, I believe we (and UPC) are using "accuracy" (or <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code>) as the generic term that encompasses both "accuracy"s and evasion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:I don't like leaving these things implied and ripe for misunderstanding, so I take it you're responding to the edits to {{a|Snow Cloak}}.
:Second: you're talking about stat stages, but Snow Cloak doesn't affect stages, it's just a multiplier. ...Perhaps you understand this, but that's not clear to me, and it did (plainly) confuse me.
:You do have a point that accuracy and evasion reduce to the same, ill-defined "stat" after stat stages are applied. (If we go by [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-diamond-version-pearl-version-and-platinum-version-accuracy-check.html UPC for DPPt], all multipliers come only after stat stages are resolved.) I.e., at a technical level, you can't really say whether a multiplier affects accuracy or evasion.
:So I think how we should handle it is that, in any cases where a multiplier nominally "affects" the user of a move, that affects their accuracy (like {{a|Hustle}} or {{a|Compound Eyes}}), while a multiplier that nominally affects a Pokemon that is the target of a move (like {{a|Snow Cloak}} or {{m|Gravity}}) affects evasion. This may be what the descriptions for those Abilities try to follow, but we may have gotten too concerned with the wrong things in some places. (If there are any categories for these sorts of multipliers, the question of what's right for ''them'' becomes interesting. Likewise, the multipliers that are split between accuracy and evasion at [[Statistic#Stat modifiers]] become equally interesting.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::I can't tell what your first sentence means, but my post was motivated by [[Special:Diff/2637785|you asking for proof it affects something other than accuracy]] (which could have been either an educational, rhethorical statement; or you being unaware that that's not really possible).
::I believe I understand the difference between stat stages and the rest. What I wanted to make you aware of is: Accuracy and evasion have ''a single, combined table lookup'' (unlike say Atk and Def).
::For things that do affect stat stages ({{m|Double Team}} etc.), we obviously need to refer to that stat whose stages are affected. For everything else, I guess we have some freedom, and I believe we're currently consistently saying "increases/decreases <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code> of moves [against it] by factor/percentage" (see {{a|Tangled Feet}}'s edit history).
::Both ways of saying it have their drawbacks (as I said above). I guess it's a matter of philosphy/ideology, and of where we want to link to. I believe either way is okay. It's just that whenever UPC etc. say "multiplies accuracy of attacks against it by 4/5", we're free to reword it to "boosts evasion by 25%" if we desire, because it's really the exact same thing.
::(As a side note: for Gravity and {{weather|fog}}, we can say both "affects accuracy/users" or "affects evasion/targets" even ideologically. Official wording from Gravity's effect apparently is neutral: "Moves are more likely to hit for five turns.") [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
:::(I can't tell how the stages are really related to anything in particular here... So I'm just going to plow ahead until it becomes clear that I did miss something.)
:::I think "where the multiplier comes from" is an eminently reasonable distinction. If it comes from the target's "condition" (like Tangled Feet), that's their "evasion" that's affected; if it comes from the attacker, it's "accuracy".
:::Gravity and fog are more field-wide effects, but I think we still can and ''should'' consider them '''logically'''. As far as Gravity, it should be pretty clear logically that gravity hampers a target's evasion. Fog should likewise logically affect an attacker's ability to ''aim'' (their accuracy). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::::That's a reasonable philospohy/ideology, in my opinion. (And for anything not called Gravity or fog, in-game descriptions may be unambiguous anyway.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

== Teleport ==

Hey, could you maybe elaborate on why [[Special:Diff/2641360|my edit]] apparently didn't adress my concern, or shifted the problem? (I guess you realized: my concern is that it sounds like "wild mon" takes precedence over Mean Look etc.) I've looked at my screen for minutes, but I really can't seem to find it. I'd like to "fix" it, which really... doesn't make sense when I'd be trying to just repeat my earlier edit!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:I might have actually missed or mistaken the "wild" part at the beginning. It was still densely worded, though. It's kind of annoying, because if this were the effect when the move was intro'd, you'd say "Teleport causes the user to flee. It can fail depending on the user's level and because of trapping moves." without having to worry about, "Wait, you can't say 'always'." Being a change like this makes it hard to do smoothly (because I would have said the original way was basically easiest/fine). But I've tried to communicate the same thing more smoothly all around now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. I really do try to find concise wording, but sometimes I apparently just lack the sensitivity, the ability to realize it is overly worded, so I appreciate any simplification you're able to provide.
::In the meantime, I'll be thinking about starting a petition urging for Game Freak to not do bugs, because it's really annoying for us to represent them. Seems kinda selfish. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I saw Looker having a separate quote page ([[Looker/Quotes]]) and wonders on the full requirements of having to create a new page? I was editing Lillie's quotes and the whole thing took to 97.1KB. As for Looker, because since it's from many games, so I assume the full requirements are that the quotes must be very long and the character must have appeared in several games in order for a new page to be created? Also would "Upon being defeated" and "After battle" makes more sense? Or if "After battle" could mean even if you lost? Thirdly, if I were to create my own "User:Ruixiang95/..." on the ghosts appearing in the Pokémon games, which I doubt will be mainspaced at all, will that be a breach of the website's policy? Thanks! — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 11:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC), Edited: 11:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
:There aren't specific requirements for splitting quotes, but you're right, it probably shouldn't be split if they're only in one game or generation.
:I almost like "After battle", but unfortunately it probably is a problem that it sounds like it applies even if you lost the battle.
:We're more than happy for users to use the userspace to try out pages that they think would improve the wiki. You can include the {{template|mainspace}} template at the top, and when you think you're all done, you can add the parameter "status=complete". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Vandal ==

[[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Poke_bulba_321&action=edit&redlink=1]] Whom you reverted will not stop. Should we block? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

== ability3 field in Template:Pokémon/7 ==

The field to list a third possible ability for [[Template:Pokémon/7]] (and Pokémon/6) was way overdue, so I prototyped a version that accepts 3 abilities. The only difference between this version and the current one is the line that handles the ability fields.

* Updated template: [[User:TehPerson/Pokémon/7]]
* Test cases: [[User:TehPerson/Tests]]

Please let me know if you have any feedback. Thanks!

[[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:We're not eager to add another conditional in a template that already has plenty, especially when you want to use it on so many pages that use the template so much. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::So is there some technical-related issue with this, or this being something too low priority to consider? [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 17:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::...It's exactly as I said. Let me put it less ambivalently. We will not be updating the template for that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

== Intervention, please? ==

Do you mind intervening on [[Cress's Panpour]], please? [[User talk:Pikablu|Pikablu]] refuses to listen to me when I point out that the trivia they added break policy, and they're persistently edit warring to reinstate the trivia. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

== Template questions ==

Hey, I've got a few questions regarding templates:
* Are we expected to avoid images in (high-use?) templates? Is there any (server-related) issues?
* Do you know whether the software evaluates all branches of ifs, and whatever will not display due to "display:none"? Or, in other words, is there a reason to nest ifs of subsets within each other (e.g., <code>if a<100 then ((if a<50 then x) y)</code> rather than <code>if a<50 then x; if a<100 then y</code>)?
* You seemed to be eager to wrap what currently is "display:none" entirely in ifs. I believe wiki syntax does not provide that functionality to wrap entire tables in ifs (expression error for me), but it may be possible with HTML. Is there a particular reason to try that (seeing how Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conditional_tables#Plan_C suggests] using "display:none")? (Possibly the above point!?)
Of course, it's related to [[User:Nescientist/Template:MoveInfobox|this]] (in particular, the damage category icons and the contest stats). Thanks in advance! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:Abstract issues don't always work well for me... What makes you apprehensive about images?
:Similar to above... I'm going to go with, I don't know, what's your issue?
:Firstly, Wikipedia doesn't exactly "suggest" display:none, it has it as an option (which perhaps notably comes ''after'' wrapping content in #if). I suggest it because display:none very explicitly ''hides'' content. Take a look at [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Cacophony_(Ability)]]: perhaps ''every'' species page links there because that's a default value in the Pokemon infobox, but it's hidden—it's still ''part of the page'', it's just not ''visible''. This is just, in general, a less than ideal problem (preferably only "valid" links would show up), but more to the point, there's cases where it can very explicitly cover something else you want to find. Suppose there's a parameter that, if set, shows a line with a link to "page", and if it's not set, that's just hidden. Based on the output, you might imagine you could check What links here for "page" to see where the parameter is set, but in truth, it wouldn't be any use to you; and it should be. I couldn't say for what, but I'm fairly sure I ran into just that problem for something in the move infobox. (FWIW as well, instead of very obliquely referring to "You seemed to be eager", being very specific about exactly where you get something like that from can only help. At least, that's true for me. Even if I did—eventually—realize what you were talking about here.)
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
::It's because very few templates seem to make use of images/icons. For example, [[User:MisterE13/Villain templates|these]] look so much better than the current templates IMO, and also nobody seems to have added the category icons to the move infoboxes although they existed way before the template was designed, and that made me wonder whether that's due to images (in templates) stressing servers or anything. I [[User talk:Nescientist/Template:MoveInfobox|included them]], but if use of images were a reason to reject template proposals, that'd be good to know (in general/"abstract").
::Thanks, I didn't think of "What links here", I just thought of categories, and none were added in that "display:none" parts. But thanks for pointing it out—{{m|Floral Healing}}, for example, currently links to [[Appeal]], and it really shouldn't. So I shall try to avoid "display:none", even if that involves some HTML workaround I guess. (Correct?)
::Example is the contest data within the move infobox; if a move needs no "Contest Spectacular", it needs neither "Super Contests" nor "Contests" and so on. If the software was smart and only evaluated what it really needs to (much like most "normal" programming languages/parsers), in most cases, it would need to evaluate less parser functions if those were nested, it wouldn't need to query some color templates, etc. So, I shall try to have them nested I guess. (At least I can't see any real drawback, now that I need to wrap entire tables instead of simply using "display:none" anyway.)
::I parsed your intention from [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Template:MoveInfobox#To do|here]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's ''no'' case where images would be a problem, but I don't know how. In this particular case, if those icons ''would'' be any sort of problem, they'd be very simple to remove, so that certainly wouldn't be grounds to reject everything.
:::You don't need to use HTML—and shouldn't, really. We're a wiki. We can expect people to know/learn wikicode. HTML can only complicate things. Just stick with wikicode.
:::The only generic argument I could make about nesting would be readability (counting brackets is annoying). There's probably documentation that could tell you. I rarely have the stomach to really digest things as dense as that tends to be, though.
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
::::As I said, I believe the wiki syntax doesn't allow for wrapping entire tables in ifs (specifically, I'm having problems with the opening and closing <nowiki>{| and |}</nowiki>), so I would need to use HTML (<nowiki><table></nowiki>) as a workaround. I'll try to see if I'm mistaken and/or can make it work somehow. I know using HTML it's bad.
::::Exactly, yes. But I think it's minor, especially when I'll try to intend properly. (And I think expansion depth can be a problem, but only if we get like a dozen more contests.)
::::Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Just wanted to clarify that the wiki syntax ''can'' be used to hide entire tables. I was able to make it work without using HTML. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

== Z-Move Effect ==

Ok then, let's discuss: Why do you think the E should be lowercase? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:03, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:...I was the last one to say anything on [[Z-Move]]. And what I said seems basically clear enough to me. Either you have a response that will attempt to discount something I've said (and/or you'd like clarification on something), or we can only disagree. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think you discounted anything I've said, and yet you reverted. Why did you revert? (I don't think any of your statements is factually wrong, but I don't see how that makes you revert my edit.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::There's no solid reason to think that phrase should be in title case. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::But wouldn't that be the most logical assumption for a key term? And also, wouldn't title case require one or two additional assumptions, namely that the beginning of the "line" (what you see in the infoscreen; I know it's not literally a sentence) ''is'' in title case, and that the capitalization ''changes'' between title case and sentence case within that same line?
::::Or in other words: Is there solid reason to think the phrase should ''not'' be in title case? (Or even ''rather'' be not in title case?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:54, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::I'm really not sure what you think a "key term" is/why Z-Power Effect is such. "Z-Power effect" seems simply descriptive, not particularly "special" or anything (for any solid reason). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Oh, you didn't challenge that until now!? That is because I noticed that in German, it is one word "Z-Kraft-Bonus", which can hardly be purely descriptive, and is different from [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/de-de/z-moves/ the website's] actual description (which is something with "Effekte"). Also, as it's in front of a colon, it's quite explicitly summarizing/shortening what it "describes"; it's designed to be to the point. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:43, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If you want me to have challenged it being a 'key term', I'm don't know how I should have done that when, again, I still don't know what you think that is and when this is furthermore the first time you've mentioned it.
:::::::I absolutely don't know enough about German to say much about that term, but I do know that all German nouns are capitalized. By that, I'd be very hesitant to infer too much from the German. As for it being in front of a colon, you're making a big assumption by inferring anything from the capitalization there; being explicitly set off, there's no telling ''how purposeful'' that capitalization is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:28, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Haha, of course I don't want you to challenge something I would eventually say. But what I mean when I say "it's a term" is that, well, it is an official term, official terminology, something that should be bolded and translated on the page; you didn't un-bold or doubt it was more than a pure descriptive sequence of words. (And with that German, I didn't mean to say anything about capitalization. It was an argument why it is a term, and not merely a pure descriptor.)

I know that it's technically an assumption to say "Z-Move Effect" is correctly capitalized this way. But in my opinion, it's actually way more of an assumption to say it should be "Z-Move effect" (because I guess terms are typically capitalized, because "Z-Move effect" requires the two additional assumptions I mentioned before, and because "Z-Move effect" just doesn't seem to be used anywhere official). If you really insist and disagree that it's a term, I guess we can agree that we disagree, and you would obviously have the right to make use of your Junior Adminship to overrule me if you wish—but then you should also de-bold and remove it from "In other languages". (But I honestly think I made rather strong arguments.)

But saying both "it's a term" and having it lowercase seems almost contradictory to me; I really hope that we will be able to adjust the article accordingly. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't have any particular opinion either way on this, but let me just point out that there are plenty of "terms" that we translate and use bold but that are officially lowercase. There's a whole list of them at [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax#Capitalization]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, and/but I think we have them that way exactly ''because'' they are not capitalized in sentence case (despite being terms). But either this one is, or (we're assuming) it's in title case ''and'' capitalized (only) because of that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::The plain fact is, there is no context where you can guarantee that "your" capitalization is intentional. Uppercase is plainly a ''special'' thing; it is not something you assume by default. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah really? Okay, I thought one would assume that by default (for a term, or a Pokémon term). In that case, even though I would still prefer to have it capitalized based on my arguments, I guess it's not as crystal clear as I initially thought. I don't care too much then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

== Talk ==

So like four people get involved and I'm the only one in trouble? Really fair treatment here. So glad we have admins to make this place so much more inviting and remove all the information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
:Frankly, you were the one most obviously egregious when I saw it. So I did your message first. (After the page itself.) Beyond that, I have various concerns that are not all limited to this site. Try to avoid jumping to conclusions. Or at very least, if your "unfair treatment" is really your concern, be earnest about that (for example, pointing out politely and reasonably the people you think also warrant some sort of messsge); if all you're gonna do is drawl sarcasm at me, you're not putting yourself in any good light. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

==Thoughts==
I know you might not care too much about this, but I wanted to ask about the Mystery Dungeon item pages since we've discussed it (a little) {{DL|User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3|before}}. I've made a page for [[User:Wowy/Throwing item|throwing items]] where I've split the page into each game. The advantage is that the template doesn't become too complex and ugly, and you can write information specific to each game (e.g. IQ skills). Another advantage is that the item "stick" changed its name to "wooden spike" (both English and japanese) (I am assuming they have the same effect with just a different name). So sorting it out by generation would mean that the 'same' item isn't duplicated twice. The disadvantage is that you can't compare the changes that have been made over the different games, and also when someone searches "Geo pebble", I think the search would only land on the page and not on the exact item. I tried to make a page for throwing item because it's relatively sparse, but I don't want spend time making any changes to big pages such as the [[Wonder Orb]] page before approval. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry I haven't been able to figure out what to say sooner...
:Can you give any examples of where you think an item gets complex besides regarding buy/sell prices? (I don't really know what you mean when you mention IQ skills above either, and I don't think I see anything about that on your user page.) For the most part, it seems to me like, since the template is meant to handle multiple games, it seems best to use it like that (aside from how messy the prices get). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::A slow response is better than no response! And I also don't know what the best way is, and it's fine if we end up leaving it as it is. But if you take Wonder Orb as an example of a list getting complex, some orbs are available in all the games (e.g. Slumber Orb), some are available only in a RBTDS (e.g. Silence Orb), and some only in GTI (e.g. Notice Orb, well I haven't found it yet in SMD and there are no reports of it online) etc. Like the throwing item, some items also changed names (e.g. Foe-Evolution Orb --> Enemy Evolve Orb). So for anyone playing just one of the games, the list gets confusing as to which one is relevant to your game or not, until you open each table. I guess you could argue that the page is just a list of all the orbs in all the games, but maybe the page should strive to do more than that (maybe?).
::When I mentioned the IQ skills, what I meant was when you open the "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team" tab, then you can see a mention of IQ skills since that info is relevant to that game, while when you open the "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity" tab, you can see a mention of Team Skills since that info is relevant to that game. So you can put information relevant to that game under each tab rather than having it all at the top of the page.
::Whatever happens, thanks for you thoughts! I'll keep them in mind. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I've been advised that a compromise could be grouping games. Like sections for "Only in [RB]", "In [RB and TDS]", "In all games", etc as required. That way you'd still have only one template for each item.
:::I don't know what to say about ones like Foe-Evolution Orb --> Enemy Evolve Orb except that it's arguably working alright as it is now on Wonder Orb, with just separate templates for each name. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Ok, that sounds good in theory, but it ends up with too many arbitrary sections: "Only in [RB]", "[In RB and TDS]", "[In RB, TDS and GTI]", "[Only in TDS]", "[Only in GTI]", "[Only in SMD]", "[In all games]", and would separate similar items that should be grouped together (e.g. Stick, Silver Spike and Iron Thorn are obviously counterparts with different strength, but Silver Spike would come under "All games", while Stick and Iron Thorn would be classed as "In RB, TDS and GTI"). If that's the case, I'm more than happy to keep the MD item pages as it is now rather than make that change (it also doesn't solve the buy/sell price issue).
::::On another note, should Foe-Evolution Orb and Enemy Evolve Orb be listed together on the same template since the Japanese names are the same, while Stick & Wooden Spike, Iron Thorn & Iron Spike be listed separately since they have different Japanese names and so are distinct items?
::::And thank you, I appreciate your responses! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 01:28, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Are those arc/straight categories a strong in-game distinction, beyond just ''how they behave'' when they're used? If not (and possibly even if they are), then you ''could'' forego those sections. There's only three arcing items, I think it would be fine then to just talk about the different behaviors and highlight the three arcing items at the top of the page or something.
:::::Strictly speaking... Yeah, the Foe/Enemy Evolution Orb should be in a single template, basically like {{DL|Status condition healing item|Paralyze Heal}}. On the other hand...that unfortunately brings about a similar sort of problem as you mentioned before, since the closed template doesn't display the note about the previous name. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay, how does the [[User:Wowy/Throwing item|page]] look now? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Did you misorder the Rare Fossil and Gold Thorn in the TDS section? Seems good to me otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Magikarp ==

I had believed it was rude of you to just undo the entire edit when I thought you seemed to be adamant to keep that section clean, and wanted me to possibly move it elsewhere. However, if your problem was not ''where'' it was added, but ''that'' it was added at all, I believe it's just as rude. By now, it should be clear that I (currently) disagree. Either way, please feel free to outline your rationale.

(As an aside, I believe it's quite striking you expect me to possibly start the discussion by undoing an edit, again. Or is this you exerting Junior Admin powers?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:I'm going to be honest... The argument you're attempting to make here simply makes no sense to me. You're thinking something that's just totally different than what I'm thinking.
:The situation is very simple. I saw you added something to Magikarp a earlier that didn't belong. You reverted my reversion and called my reversion rude. That makes no sense, and your simple reversion completely ignored the problem I pointed out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::Honesty is always good. I'm in.
::In my opinion, a simple undoing of an edit (that is within the MoS) is almost always some kind of rude if that undoing is based on personal opinion only. Even moreso when the edit is not one word, but an edit the editor obviously spent time and thought to it. (I thought about it for several days, and it took more than half an hour to finally implement my edit.)
::...And it's more rude (and very striking) when the editor/edit attempted to solve an issue. Your reversion didn't address the problem at all. It just reinstalled it.
::What problem did you want to address in your edit comment? I understood that you wanted to make me (or everyone) aware of the fact that this should be about the species the article is about, not describe a game. I am aware of that, it's just that the game ''is'' about that species. The game is literally ''called'' the species—I can't do anything about that. What I did was focus on Magikarp appearing there (and I pointed that out in my reversion).
::(Just in case: The patterns are the most important part of it, in my opinion. I ''insist'' they need to be somewhere on the page.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I have to say... (With, for what it's worth, no offense intended.) It doesn't matter how much time you spend on an edit, if someone undoes that for what ''they'' think is a good reason, your investment/disappointment in ''no way'' justifies you automatically labeling it rude. Just because you put effort into something doesn't give it some magical protection.
:::You say I didn't resolve the problem you were concerned about. Fun fact: I don't really know Magikarp Jump. My intent was that someone who does should address that concern in a better way than your edit did. (This all comes around to: you're invested in this thing and feeling hurt about it. I won't say you can't be, but don't lay it all on other people. They don't have to have the same investment as you.)
:::You state the problem exactly, but declined to try to address it at all. There's a whole article for details of the game. Pumpkinking's edit addresses Magikarp's appearance about as deeply as (as near as I can tell) it needs to be.
:::And there's already an explicit place for sprites. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::I am in absolutely no way feeling hurt or something about ''my'' edit being removed. Simply removing that much value created focused at solving a problem (one we even agree on), is bad—regardless of who created that value. (And I didn't say that value gave it protection, or used it as an argument to "automatically" call it rude.) In short: Removing the entire thing entirely is certainly worse than what I did.
::::I know Magikarp Jump a bit. And/but I don't quite understand what makes you think my edit was bad. If you (have read my explanation above and) specified, I could try to address your concern. (Again, I focused on Magikarp ''in the game'', not the game itself.)
::::Are you suggesting to append it to the core games' sprites? I initially wanted to have the patterns near the prose explaining them, but I'm okay with your suggestion as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Call it what you want then, there is still no justification for calling a good faith edit "rude". Anything not to your liking is not "rude".
:::::I'm not sure why you're offering to address my concern when I've already said that Pumpkinking's edit is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay then, I misread that part. I'm fine with that as well, if we add the patterns (in prose and images). Would you please edit them in (or answer where I should put them)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I already said, if they belong anywhere, there's already a sprites section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I hope you already know this, but after reading this whole section again, I wish to very explicitly state/reconfirm that no offense was intended on my part either. I was not trying to attack you personally, and I hope you didn't draw that conclusion at any point. (I obviously suck at reading your mind sometimes.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

== Marowak ==

Based on your response to PlayerKing95's page what is your stance on the moves used in SM034?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't really follow the anime. I'll pass the question along. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

==Shuckle==
Thanks for dealing with the vandalism from Joel, hate things I like that.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:Meant to be I hate things like that.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

== RE: Encounter Edits ==

As I've been playing through the series gen by gen recently, I've noticed that the more recent gens are full of misinformation on encounters. Diamond/Pearl had a few apparent hiccups, but I'm running into them all over the place in Black/White. Serebii's database is even worse, listing pokemon in completely incorrect routes and areas. It's clear that the encounter rates thus far have all gone on people's experiences and nothing else. I'm just adding mine to the pool--and mind you, I'm changing nothing unless it's been hours upon hours and I'm absolutely, 100% sure.

If you want to dig up ROM data, by all means, feel free. It has not been done with this encounter tables. I don't have the time or interest in doing it, either--again, I'm just adding my contribution to improve the tables. Even if it won't make them 100% perfect, it will be a step closer to perfect accuracy. If you want to make the tables LESS accurate by reverting my changes, I can't stop you; I went out of my way to improve the data, but if that generous act is not appreciated, I'm fine not bothering. [[User:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|- Xelrog T. Apocalypse]] ([[User talk:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|talk]]) 18:14, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

== Is corocoro also a forbidden source? ==

[http://i.imgur.com/RDIolxQ.jpg]

Because if it was, my edit was valid. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
:Can you read Japanese? If not, you're relying on Serebii's interpretation of what that scan says. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
::No, I can't. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

== M09 ==

Hello I would like to ask for a staff member's opinion on this. Frozen Fennec reverted me when I changed "most likely" to "may be" and said that "most likely" is fine, I think having "most" and "likely" makes those points too certain and I don't see what harm there would be in changing "most likely" to "may be". Please could you offer some input thanks[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 14:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
:We try to avoid personal opinions, which is what "most likely" is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you, I saw that you changed it.[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 19:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

==New editor==
[[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pokerman118933]] This new editor is spamming some strange link. Two of his eduts are hidden. Is this vandalism? And by the way, on the talkpage for [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] I posted a question but I am unsure if it belongs there. {{unsigned|RubyLeafGreenCrystal}}
:The user was dealt with.
:It seems okay.
:Also, please use the "+" button at the top of the page, next to "edit this page", to create a new section on a talk page, don't just put it at the end of someone else's section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

== Re:Anime moves ==

I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant or whatever by adding that {{m|Thunder Wave}} use. However, I would like to assure you that I've learned my lesson: I don't add too ambiguous moves without them being confirmed anymore. However, this case wasn't ambiguous at all in my mind: the animation used for the move was identical to the one used in the {{series|XY}}, you can check it out yourself if you want. A couple other users have also already left agreeing opinions to T-Wave's talk page. Do you give me the permission to restore my edit? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

== Type: Null at level 5. ==

(Without double-checking anything but our breeding page) Eggs hatch at level 1

Doesn't that prove my point? Other than Cosmog (who's obtained at level 5), everything that evolves can be bred and hatched, which makes Type: Null the only unevolved Pokemon unobtainable at level 5. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:34, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:So you mean by leveling up... That's not what obtainable should mean. And even if you find the right word, having to level up Pokemon makes it unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::There is clearly a misunderstanding here. What exactly do you think I'm trying to say? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:16, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what I said from the start... If Sandygast can be "obtained at level 5", then either it can be encountered in the wild and caught at level 5, or it can hatch at level 5. Neither is true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::I don't think the point is notable either, but perhaps what Unowninator intended was more like "the player can/cannot legitimately possess it at level 5". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: ^ Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for explaining Pumpkinking. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::In that case, my response here was understanding it just fine. You can only have Sandygast at level 5 after leveling it up, which makes it unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::What the hell does that have to do with anything? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:02, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::"You cannot legitimately possess it at level 5" is wildly aribtrary. If you can possess everything else at level 5 by leveling up but you can't possess Null lower than level 40, then why don't we just level up further and make it level 39, or ''everything'' from 1 to 39?
::::::::And why do we stop before Null's obtainable level? If we just go farther, then everything can be possessed at level 40-100. Yay?
::::::::Your line (and method) is arbitrary, formed to exclude Type: Null for no actually-good reason, it probably just "seems" right. It's not notable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::My reason was little cup, but since it doesn't really exist, why not bring up the level 40 thing? If that isn't notable, then why are these facts?
Of all the Pokémon that evolve by leveling up, Hydreigon evolves from its pre-evolution later than any other Pokémon, at level 64.
Out of all Pokémon that evolve by a set level, Larvesta evolves later than any other unevolved Pokémon, at level 59.
:::::::::[[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't know what "the level 40 thing" is supposed to be. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Basically of all unevolved Pokemon, it is obtained at the highest level. Everything else can be lower than 39, but Type: Null can only be at level 40 minimum because it can't breed. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
:Then just phrase it like that instead of going through a bunch of hoops to overcomplicate it. Something like ''Of all unevolved Pokémon, Type: Null has the highest minimum level at which it can be legitimately possessed: level 40'' seems, in my mind, to be more notable than dancing around the topic by bringing up Cosmog and level 5. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::Hang on, Unowninator, just because I said I ''personally'' think it's more notable than what you had before, doesn't mean Tiddlywinks will decide it's notable ''enough'' to keep. It's probably best to wait to add it until they approve/disapprove it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Type:_Null_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=215674&diff=2682162&oldid=2681962 *extreme facepalm*] Why does nobody understand me? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:18, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

== Video ==

I do not want to say it but if you pause at 0:25 of the video, it looks sha__. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:I still don't understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
::You will see a white menu in the bottom right corner. You know why now? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I see it. Please don't assume I can read your mind and keep asking me to guess. If you can't explain yourself, I won't understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
All right. I'll just ask if a white menu is possible on a gameboy. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:46, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
And if not, where can one be found on a gameboy game. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:I think they're trying to censor the word "shady" for some reason, and are pointing out that the video is taken of an emulated game (you can see a Windows right-click menu briefly at the point they mentioned). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

== Direct linking ==

Re: your discussion with Nescientist and the staff ruling that came out of it: Can you please have a word with FinnishPokeFan95? As you can see in their contributions history, they are edit warring on Berry pages to remove the redirect even though (as far as I understand it?) the outcome of that conversation was that those links should be redirects. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:My understanding is that there were two users seriously discussing, not that there was me and a staff member and a staff ruling. (However, there's reasons and arguments, and there's a policy to avoid edit warring, and a will to avoid useless edits.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
::When Tiddlywinks said they had been "advised" on the matter, I assumed it was from higher-up staff members, but yeah, perhaps I misinterpreted that. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

== Insignificant minor edits ==

(I have asked on SnorlaxMonster's talk page but gotten no replies, so...)
I wonder if these minor edits are necessary: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Scale&diff=prev&oldid=2700623 link 1], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Memory&diff=prev&oldid=2700622 link 2], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Fang&diff=prev&oldid=2700621 link 3]. They don't make any difference when you view them on the page. Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 22:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, I missed this before.
:"Necessary"? No. Personally, they are something I'd probably do myself if I was thinking about it while already doing something on the page.
:Your implication is that it should be stopped. If it was absolutely all someone was focused on, I personally ''would'' ask them to find more substantial edits to make (and have in some cases in the past). While at this particular moment it seems like GrammarFreak01 has done relatively a lot of that sort of edit in the past day, that doesn't seem to consistently be the case so strongly previously. It's still not ideal, but... For what it's worth, I can tell you that, as of yet, it doesn't seem to be weighing too heavily on anyone's mind on staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
::I see. I know it's supposed to do that while you are editing something else on the page, and not just specifically editing this part only. I remembered this sort of insignificant edits will clogged up the Recent Changes or something else. Since there's no worries about that, I guess I don't mind.
::Might as well ask this now also. Are the Rotom Adventures quotes needed to be added to the Rotom Pokédex page? ([[User:Ruixiang95/Rotom Pokédex/Quotes]]) — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 04:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Just to be sure I'm not missing something, you're talking about the Rotom from the Pokemon Adventures manga?
:::As far as I know, we don't do any quotes for anything but games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Nope, Video games. The message they show on the bottom screen as you travel in Alola. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 04:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Oh, just everything else beyond the dex stuff. I specifically refrained from that (or even adding an incomplete template) previously myself because I don't think it's necessary. Rotom's dialogue is a little bit like a walkthrough, I don't think it's worth much or adds much. And it's something for practically ''everywhere'', it'd be pretty huge. And then figuring out for ''each'' of those exactly when it occurs would be a huge pain too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

== Archive sandbox ==

Will you please archive the [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]? The maximum number of sections should be 60. [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 22:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:What do you mean the max should be 60? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:47, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::The ones including sub-sections. [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::That's not what I asked. I asked '''why''' you say it should be the max. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:40, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::::I actually agree. There's so much text & such on the sandbox that it causes my browser to freeze, so I can't even use it. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== That Rhydon thing. ==

How the hell is it excluding anything? The Psychic type thing excludes all other types, so why is that fine but not this? (I suppose I could just say highest attack of everything compatible with Eviolite, but I think the other way's better...) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:How is it excluding anything, you ask? The phrase "non-fully evolved" quite explicitly excludes fully evolved Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
::And Psychic types doesn't exclude all other types? I still think it's good trivia. Can we at least reword it? (Unfortunately, my best idea is using Eviolite compatibility) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:25, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Where do we draw the line? We've easily had "all but Legendaries and Mythicals", "all except Mega Evolutions", (all but Legendaries, Mythicals, and Megas; only Megas; only Legendaries and Mythicals...) "all starters", your "Eviolite users"...and that's just off the top of my head, there's probably several other "interesting" sets that have been on pages and plenty more beyond that if we just decided that anyone who wanted to could make up a set.
:::Let's also consider each of those sets I mentioned above: would it be okay to start talking about only the Fairy-types, Normal-types, etc among each of those groups?
:::What I'm getting at is that it's a lot of stuff, and all that just balloons. More than anything, it's hard enough keeping track of two broad categories (overall and by type)... (I'm pretty sure that when people started updating the best/worst trivia to account for Gen VII, they didn't pay any attention to the Pokemon that used to be "highest" or "lowest" and had now lost that status, thereby leaving old/incorrect trivia on a number of pages.) We don't need to worry about updating stats for a dozen different categories.
:::Even if you want to say, "Well, I think these four or five or so categories are okay and we won't allow ''anything'' else", it can be ''very'' hard to '''remember''' whether what someone added is actually in one of those categories, without referring to somewhere where it would have been stated out. Beyond that, it's not like there's a simple way to "agree" on which X categories we should have, either.
:::The short version is: we don't need a bunch of trouble for allowing all sorts of categories. We should keep it simple, and the most basic categories are just overall and by type. Easy to remember, easy to deal with... It's plenty. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Topps ==

Hi not trying to start an edit war but nowhere on the page does it describe all of the different printings. [[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 19:29, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
:What's not described? The logo colors are described. The finish is described.
:I was also just about ready to ask on your talk page: To me, it seems like the "2nd edition" set with a smooth finish that you described could easily fit the same case as what you called the "rogue" S1 set. Is there particular reason you think otherwise? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
::Everything is stated now but the topps logos and the 5th foil print were not stated initially. yes it could be called rogue as it was similarly not released in the U.S. but was produced here(at least as far as I can tell). So that terminology applies here as well. There are also packs of 5 and 8 for both logo colors. I also put in which set the promo was part of. [[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 19:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey I noticed some file names for the johto series 1 sticker set that were already uploaded are incorrect. 40 and 44 are swapped in the file name. I am unaware of how to fix this.[[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 01:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's interesting. I couldn't say why that happened or why I never noticed (and someone else had to fix it later on apparently)...
:Anyway, on the Archives, you can put the Archives' {{template|move}} template on the page so the staff there will know and be able to move it.
:As a note also, if you notice any images that are relatively low quality, like [[:File:Topps Johto 1 S45.png|Topps Johto 1 S45.png]], we'd be very happy if you are also able/willing to upload higher quality scans of those. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, I am willing to upload any scans of my cards. Do you have any pointers on how to spot lower quality scans? I know file size can usually be an indication but I also know that png images can be compressed with little loss.[[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 02:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't think images that are that colorful can be compressed incredibly much, at least not anywhere near the size of images with such lower resolution. It might be a bit tedious, but that means you could just check [[A:Category:Collectible cards|Category:Collectible cards]], find where the Topps cards start, and just check for small sizes.
:::You can also just check the user contributions of any person who you noticed has uploaded at least one LQ image. (It's a bit weird so you may not have noticed, but if you follow the link for S45/Steelix above and click "view on a shared repository" at the top of the page, it'll take you to the proper page on the Archives. On the Archives, you can see the user who uploaded it, LHakaLH in this case, and "contribs" will show their uploads and stuff.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

== some questions ==

hi. i'm not sure if you are the correct person to ask, but may i know how often does the admins reviews the articles in [[:Category:Candidates_for_moving]], and what is the procedure for moving of pages for admins? I suggested the renaming of [[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number]] to [[List of Pokémon by Unova Pokédex number (Black 2 and White 2)]] around 1.5 years ago. However, it had not been moved despite the hoenn and alola dex being moved to the format of "List of Pokémon by XXX Pokédex number (game)]]". I was told that admins will decide on the move after discussions, but most of the articles in [[:Category:Candidates_for_moving]] have no discussion at all, or the discussion only consist of the person who suggested it. Those that do have replies won't even last 5 people commenting on it. And the number of talk pages with the admins involved in the discussion is very minimum. It seems that
most of the pages in that category are just sitting there for months with no signs of any work to move or remove them from the page. May i have some enlightenment about the procedure, such as if the admins actually have their own private discussions about those pages, just that we won't know about it? i previously bring this up [[Talk:List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number (Sun and Moon)#rename|
on this talk page too]]. thank you for reading. If this is not the correct platform, please let me know the proper channel to enquire about it. Thank you again. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 07:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:To be honest, I believe discussion happens in an EB-exclusive venue, so I don't really know much to tell you myself about what kind of impetus there is or how it plays out or what.
:If you're worried about a particular page, it may be best to contact someone directly. That "a particular page" part may be important; I would suggest some moderation, not getting excited and asking for ''everything'' to be resolved at once. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you. the particular page is "[[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number]]". I feel that with the hoenn dex and alola dex being moved, i do not see the reason for the unova dex to not be moved to be consistent with the hoenn/alola dex page. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 03:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

== My confusion in regards to Grassy Terrain... ==

If Grassy Terrain is in effect, '''unless the target is in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move such as Dig''' or Dive, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude is halved (even if the user or the target is not grounded).

So basically, if I use Earthquake on something that used Dig, does it do a total of x1 damage (×1/2 from Grassy Terrain, ×2 from using Dig), or is Grassy Terrain's effect ignored when the Pokémon uses Dig, thus ×2? Does my question make sense?[[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
:The "×1/2 from Grassy Terrain" that you mention, you're supposing that comes from the sentence you've posted at the start? If so, that very sentence says that that 1/2 only is in effect IF the target is NOT using a move such as Dig. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, so the 1/2 is ignored and the total is ×2. I was just checking. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

== Necrozma DM DW ==

In Megalo Tower we have an box like this with Ultra Necrozma, and i think this is more convencional since Necrozma is not catchable and need to be defeated during this battles. [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) January 27, 00:03 (UTC)
:I fixed it. We do full battle templates for Trainers. Totem Pokemon get that treatment in Gen VII because the trials take the place of Gyms, but that's not what Necrozma is. If it's just part of the storyline, it doesn't warrant that. Otherwise it'd entail a '''lot''' more changes beyond just Necrozma. (This may be worth discussing—but my page isn't really the place for that). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

== BW142 ==

Could you please explain your edit to [[BW142]]? A Trainer can only carry six Pokémon at a time and Ash left more than six (Unfezant, Oshawott, Pignite, Snivy, Scraggy, Leavanny, Palpitoad, Boldore, Krookodile, and Charizard) at Oak's Laboratory. The "On hand" section on anime character pages always features up to six Pokémon. We use "In rotation" when Trainers are shown using more than six Pokémon. For reference, see the pages of May, Ursula, Nando, Virgil... --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 23:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
:I agree that's a better phrasing, so I've revised the page in hopes of it being able to stand as a compromise. I hadn't thought of the possibility of using "in rotation"; thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, Mikuri. I tried to check what was going on a bit but in the mix I seem to have missed/forgotten the part where you said Ash left more than six Pokemon with Oak. I thought your issue was that he had fewer than six Pokemon "on hand".
::That said, looking farther back this time, I really don't see any problem at all with Pumpkinking's original edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

== Rotom Power Bag Pocket ==

Do you know anyone who could add the Rotom Power as a pocket for the bag? On my userpage are samples of the item pages for Rotom Powers, but default to the Z-crystals pocket since Rotom powers aren't part of the template yet. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 03:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
:I received sprites for the pockets, so I can make it work soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Pokemon species trivia ==

Can trivia about a Pokemon species ever be notable if it's not unique? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
:As a rule, it is not. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
::For example, does that mean the trivia about Dugtrio being immune to telekinesis needs to be deleted because mega Gengar is also immune to it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Value of truth ==

I don't want to derail other discussions, so I'm taking this here. I'm alarmed by the attitude you've seemed to have on talk pages such as [[Talk:Team Skull Grunt (Trainer class)]] and [[Talk:Pokémon Communication Center]] in which you apparently don't think it's necessary to correct something false if it's something you consider minor. Phrases like "who really cares" and "what exactly is hurt" seem, in my mind, to be an effort to discourage people from trying to present the most truthful possible information. In my mind, these are plain-as-day cases of inarguably false information (niche cases, granted, but inarguably false nonetheless), and you seem actively interested in discouraging the correction of them.

For that reason, I wanted to directly ask: am I misinterpreting you, or do you really not think truth is an important value for Bulbapedia? If the latter, is that also the official staff position? If so, I'm not sure I can continue to feel comfortable participating in an encyclopedia if it isn't trying to be true. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
:You're taking it much too dramatically.
:I'm just going to address the specific cases directly.
:I do not believe that there's really any point to trying to say on any page about grunts that they technically have a "Trainer class" that is their team name. (Note that I am not saying we should have "Team Skull Grunt (Trainer class)". I am not, either, saying we shouldn't, though. I'm personally leaving it for further comment, because, in short, things are ''alright'' as they are, I'm fine just waiting and focusing my own attention on other things.) The only place I think it would be worth communicating that there is no "Team Skull Grunt" Trainer class would be if we had a technical page that touched on the Trainer data in the ROM or something. The argument I made that you express concern about above was against your suggestion to merge grunts' info into team TC pages—that's all.
:I do not consider an implication that the GS Ball is only available in Crystal's VC version a falsehood at all. You cannot obtain the GS Ball solely by playing Crystal's cartridge versions. There is no falsehood communicated. That said, I also ''explicitly'' did not say that only listing the VC item was the only option. I suppose I must admit, I tried to phrase my whole comment about the GS Ball relatively delicately; so let me attempt to make clear here that what I meant was: I do not think it is right for us to mention (or worry about) the cartridge GS Ball in the template, and I '''disfavor''' some extra note nearby (but it is still an '''option'''). To put it another way, the intended point was, noting the cartridge version in the template is more trouble than it's worth, but there are still solutions that we could '''add''' to the original revision before your original attempt to "fix" it. (Let's say that at least half as strongly as you are against only mentioning VC—which, again, is not the only option I entertain—I'm that strongly against any significant change to "Received from an attendant while attempting to exit after entering the [[Hall of Fame]] ([[Virtual Console]] only)" as your recent edit has done; it only hurts what is already perfectly useful.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
::FYI, I now [[Talk:Pokémon Communication Center#Event items|do not think]] that there is any real reason to add any note about the cartridge event. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

== I brought it to the guy's talk page to avoid an edit war, but it's been over a week. ==

I'm talking about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pokk%C3%A9n_Tournament&diff=2741661&oldid=2740232 this edit], specifically the release date. I even added the hidden text, but [[User:Akurochan]] flat out ignores it without even saying why. I asked him on [[User talk:Akurochan# Why did you keep changing Aegislash's release date?|his talk page]], but he hasn't even been on the site in over a week. What else am I allowed to do? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
:Two questions.
:1) What's your time zone? And do you remember when exactly you downloaded it?
:2) I don't know Pokken, so just to be sure, when you said you downloaded it, I suppose that means you could immediately play it (and not that it ws locked for a while still)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::My time-zone is EST, so it's 1:25 PM when I posted this. IIRC I was able to play it at 8:30 - 9:30 PM. It was playable immediately after the download finished. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Japan's time is 14 hours ahead of you. It was reasonably released on the "correct" day when you downloaded it. It's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::In other words, I have to leave it alone. Is that correct? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:56, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::It should not be changed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:04, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::Very well, I understand now. Thanks for doing what Akurochan didn't do himself. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

== Own Tempo Rockruff ==

I made a correct edit to the evolution section of Own Tempo Rockruff. Why was it reverted? [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:Note that it doesn't really make sense that you get '''Dusk''' Form at 5 AM (which is roughly ''dawn''). You're forgetting that in-game time is not the same as the real-world time (or more accurately, the 3DS clock, which also doesn't have to have ''any'' relation to real-world time). Only the in-game time matters. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::I am currently playing UM and I can confirm the evolution takes place between 5 AM and 5:59 AM. I know it doesn't make sense but thats how it is. US is 5 PM to 5:59 PM. I strongly suggest you revert your re-edit, or if you dont believe me, try it out yourself. [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:36, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Bear with me a second here... How do you know it's the 5 AM hour? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::::Well first I saw bulbapedia saying 5PM hour. So i tried leveling up Rockruff then. But it didnt evolve. So I found a few posts on the internet saying it was the 5AM hour for UM. So then I tried it around 5:20 AM (3DS time), and it worked. Why on earth would I even lie about this or make the edit if I wasn;t sure? [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm not at all saying you're lying. I'm saying you're missing something.
:::::The 3DS's time is NOT the time in-game.
:::::Try this. Check the time on your 3DS. Then go to a Pokemon Center in UM and talk to the cafe owner. (He doesn't tell you the same time.)
:::::That is to say, even though your 3DS says 5 AM, it's still 5 PM in the game when you're evolving Rockruff. The page is correct. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== "Trade" in Item Locations ==

For games where you can only obtain items through Trade, do we put down it as [[Trade]] or ''[[Trade]]''? FinnishPokéFan92 has been changing the latter back to the former, so I'm not sure which to go with now. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:I personally believe that the italicized one is better because it makes it readily distinguishable from other rows (where it's actually directly obtainable in-game). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::Agreed. I'll change them back when I find them again. Thanks. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh yeah in the same vein, under acquisition in item pages, when an item can be found in an area more than once (but still finite), do leave just the location or do we include the number of times it can be found? (6 [[Thunderstone]]s for example can be found in [[Ultra Plant]]). [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 02:53, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:I guess it's simple enough, I don't think a count like that is a problem. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::If I may intrude, that would require a lot of "backtracking" so to say, as many already existing item pages lack the amount of it obtainable in every finite way, especially when talking about earlier generations. This is why I personally would oppose the idea, even if only for the sheer size of that job, but if someone is ready to do all that checking for every single existing item page, knock yourselves out. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I think if it's missing, no big deal. It can be fixed sooner or later. And if it's often "later", even "much later", that's, again, not a huge deal. It's fine without, but also probably nice with a count. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:27, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Food Stall color ==

I don't get what you meant by that. The other Festival Plaza facilities don't share the same progression of palettes with each other. In fact, a majority of the most common ones are primarily or partially red, not blue. Plus there is nothing I've ever seen of Alola having some overarching color scheme outside the island names being colors in Hawaiian, and those four aren't applicable there, or with any of the different facility palettes.

I get keeping the descriptions of the facility palettes simple, but unless there's something in the game's code or from a guidebook that has official names for the facility colors that I'm not aware of, I just don't see what you mean by them having explicit palettes[[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 02:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:Let me get the issue of the "palette" out of the way. There are actually two reasonable color "palettes" you can take from SM/USUM. The first is the simple 7 "primary" colors of ROYGBIV, as seen in [[Poké Bean]] colors and {{p|Minior}}'s forms. The second is seen in the 8 colors you can [[Festival Plaza#Dye houses|dye]] clothes in (which many [[fashion item]]s also naturally have). (Pink is the "odd man out" in the latter set; "navy blue" could be considered a parallel to "indigo" and "purple" a parallel to "violet", and all other colors have the same names.)
:Now—if we exclude the obviously Pokemon-themed colorations of some facilities—every facility's color scheme is plainly based on one of these "primary" colors...or black. The black is a huge through line, so that gets a pass. But "brown" is not part of Alola's "palette" and it's not even remotely a significant pattern with any other facilities. Calling that one facility theme "brown" is ignoring the blatant pattern that everything else fits in; it's not reasonable that just one doesn't, especially when there are plain elements of a primary color in the building's color scheme. It may be relatively subdued, but it is the most meaningful label for this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::That's quite an arbitrary rule to apply to this. You're just applying the standard ROYGBIV, not something unique to the Pokemon games themselves, like Floette flowers, or the island colors. Plus, unlike the island colors, which are far more prevalent in Alola (Battle Royal Dome's stage entrances, the Battle Royal Dome symbol itself, Oricorio's forms, parts of the respective Island Kahunas' clothing, the Island Guardians), there's only two seemingly solid cases of it: Minior and Poke Beans.
::As well, those two are not perfect matches for ROYGBIV. The "blue" and "indigo" Minior Forms and Poke Bean colors are closer to being cyan and blue, respectively. I checked the RGB levels of the sprites in an editing program and none of the "Indigo" ones had red levels higher than their green levels Which for Indigo the RGB levels are usually around 75,0,130. The "blue" ones were far from being dominantly blue, having a fair mix of green and blue, which shades of Cyan usually have. Not to mention the "blue" pattern bean is nearly entirely white.
::All this, along with the Pink and Navy Blue dye shops and the odd Black themed facilities throughout not fitting with the ROYGBIV palette, leads me to the conclusion that it's not nearly as concrete of a design theory as it might seem.
::In conclusion, I think that we should provide descriptions of objects and locations based on what we see, not based on our assumptions. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 06:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::If the games want to identify whatever shades as "blue" or "indigo" or whatever, so long as it's halfway reasonable (i.e., not "blue" for '''orange'''), that's their choice and not even something worth arguing...
:::Among the other three food stall variations, the only things that consistently match the obvious color theme are the checkers and the paneling flanking them. The first food stall variation bucks that pattern, with those parts having different colors. And, of the two parts, I think it's profoundly reasonable to focus on the checker pattern. Brown isn't remotely worth calling a color scheme, it's just wood, a ''default''. The plain design touch is the blue checkers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Ok, I'll concede, I hadn't checked what the in-game Pokedex names Minior's forms prior to now. Poke Beans also likely follow that scheme, even if it's not as solid, there's still 7 of them and they somewhat follow ROYGBIV. The same for the dye stalls; Navy Blue could just be a mistranslation of Indigo. (and I just thought of Pink being there to fully represent the Island colors alongside ROYGBIV)
::::But I still think it's quite a large leap in logic to assume that other things in-game fit that when they don't come in a set of 7 colors that resemble ROYGBIV as those three examples do. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 20:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I don't think there's a big leap of logic, but I don't think that's the only reason to choose "blue" either. Like I said, that's really the only reasonable color you can point to as the design choice ("brown" is not the design choice, it's just the foundation). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Once again, that's a very arbitrary distinction. Brown is a color just the same as blue is. I don't see what makes it different from any other color that makes it just a "foundation". Regular wooden surfaces are just as valid in real life for designing building exteriors or interiors as any painted surface. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I really don't think this is hard. Blue is a color that the other variations have used. Brown isn't. There's simply NO good reason to choose brown uniquely here instead of blue. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Grant (trivia) ==

I simplified my earlier edit to include only Geodude - though Roxanne does have an Onix- in rematches that is.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:33, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

: What do you mean not enough Rock-type gym leaders - how many does there have to be for a comparison?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::Maybe 10. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Serrebi ==

Hi. Noticed your post on a user's page. Wnat to know, what iss tealing from Serribbi? Is it not fair use to note facts regardless of who discovered them? I am not an expert in law so it seems quite new to me (after all, I did not underatand copyright or IP rights well until a few years ago). [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 00:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:It's pretty simple. Serebii has expressed that they do not allow other sites to take their information. If you find something at Serebii, you'll have to find an independent source or confirm it on your own before you can edit it here. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:29, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::I understand. But is there any legal reason to avoid? I do not plan on posting anything from there (rarely visit it anyway), but just wondering. Does this mean research can be copyrighted? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 01:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::As they say: I am not a lawyer. All I can say is that BP staff wouldn't long tolerate anyone continually trying to use Serebii's info here. We have no desire to antagonize them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Did not realize there were people like that. One learns somthing new every day. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 02:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

== Fossil Pages ==

Hiya! I got the individual Fossil pages on my userspace I believe are ready to be mainspaced. If you deem they are, how would we go about this procedure with the current X and Y Fossils format? [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== untitled ==
Stick to your pages and I'll stick to mine. Thanks. {{unsigned|Vyper3006}}
:This does not constitute a discussion. I await any substance. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

You have it.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPoQ7QU8fR_pFFfBvm488IP_N3sMzgzFflr2t9C

Why are you saying it isn't a real card?

== List of moves and abilities affecting abilities ==

You undid my edit, saying that it was "already mentioned". Where was it already mentioned? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:Where you put it before and where I removed those tables, easily visible if you look at the diff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::You only told me not to put the tables above the list of abilities, so I re-added them below the list of abilities. Why can't I have the tables there? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm confused. Do you or do you not realize that the things you want to add are currently on the page already? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
::::I realized just now. Oh well. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:46, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Unacceptable User Name chain ==

An array of users named after Communists has just shown up. Might want to nip this in the bud.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Types and "metagame" information ==

Why is information about "the metagame" (stuff like "this type is good when combined with this other type") allowed on the pages about types but nowhere else? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Thunder wave ==

When I added that trivia (or trivium or whatever), I meant thunder wave was the only status move whose immunities ''behave according to the type chart''. You know, the one that looks like this.
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! style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{ic|Flying}}
! style="background:#{{poison color}}" | {{ic|Poison}}
! style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{ic|Ground}}
! style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{ic|Rock}}
! style="background:#{{bug color}}" | {{ic|Bug}}
! style="background:#{{ghost color}}" | {{ic|Ghost}}
! style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{ic|Steel}}
! style="background:#{{fire color}}" | {{ic|Fire}}
! style="background:#{{water color}}" | {{ic|Water}}
! style="background:#{{grass color}}" | {{ic|Grass}}
! style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{ic|Electric}}
! style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{ic|Psychic}}
! style="background:#{{ice color}}" | {{ic|Ice}}
! style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{ic|Dragon}}
! style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{ic|Dark}}
! style="background:#{{fairy color}}" | {{ic|Fairy}}
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| colspan="20" style="{{roundybottom|5px}}; background:#999" | These matchups are suitable for {{color2|000|Generation VI}} onward.
|}According to that chart, grass and electric are not immune to anything, so the fact that stun spore couldn't hit them had to be ''programmed separately.'' What I was trying to say earlier was that thunder wave was the only status move that ''behaves according to this chart'' and was not ''programmed separately.'' Do you understand what I'm trying to say now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:I still don't think it's so important a difference that it's worth any trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Klinklang ==

Hello. On the page for Klinklang, you removed my trivia because it was noticeable. Noticeable Trivia does appear a fair bit on Bulbapedia and if you looked at the Gen 5 Sprites, it isn't that obvious. I'm just wondering why it was removed as such. Thanks. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 15:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:We just don't list things already visible on the page. That's just repetitive, when anyone can see it if they care. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== How? ==

Seriously, how did you not see the poor English and punctuation in [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Unnamed_island_(EP098)&diff=prev&oldid=2768100 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cinnabar_Island&diff=prev&oldid=2768111 edits]? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:What do those matter? It's not at all unintelligible. The changes it seems you've now made are minor. That's not even remotely a basis for outright rejection. If you don't want to fix it, leave it alone, you can't revert it just because it bugs you a bit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::I reverted those because I wasn't sure what the original editor was trying to communicate due to the poor English, and I feared that any changes I made would ruin the intended meaning. For example, with the second diff, it mentions a "Gyarados hot spring tap". Since I didn't see that episode, I didn't know if the Gyarados was a typo, or if the hot spring tap was supposed to be shaped like a Gyarados, or if there was a missing key word. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:::That's just one (arguable) sentence. Not remotely warranting wholesale reversion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Like I said, one change could've ruined the whole meaning the user was trying to communicate, and I couldn't leave it like that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::...That doesn't mean reverting the whole thing was right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::Well, what was I supposed to do? And yes, I know that I did "improvements" after you undid my reversion, but I'm still not confident that was what the user was trying to say. It was that confusing to me. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::You can try talking. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Kinda hard to do that now that the user thinks I'm a racist. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::As far as I'm concerned, that's just an excuse to give up. ...Don't. (Also, that is not how I read their message.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

== Flavor Page ==

I'm relatively new to editing wikis, so I'm not sure if I ought to "...discuss this one first" {{ut|Tiddlywinks|here on your talk page}}, or on the Flavor article's [[Talk:Flavor|talk page]], but I figured I'd start here to give myself a better chance of being sure that you read this and don't accidentally miss it.

My main issue with the [[Flavor|Flavor page]] as it stands now is that the {{DL|Flavor|List_of_Apricorns_by_flavor|Apricorn section}} has the flavors listed in the "correct" order (that being Spicy, Sour, Dry, Bitter, and Sweet) while the page's intro, flavor preference table, Contest/Pokéathlon table, and the berry tables for gens III, IV, and e-Reader all have the flavors listed in the following order: Spicy (+Atk), Dry (+SpA), Sweet (+Spe), Bitter (+SpD), and Sour (+Def) [so not quite half-and-half, like I first thought - that's my bad].

This is, to me, pretty unintuitive, since stats are most always ordered HP (N/A here), Atk, Def, SpA, SpD, and Spe. I was actually looking at the flavor page for more info about {{cat|Berries_that_may_cause_confusion|confusion berries}} and ended up super confused (hah, didn't even mean for that silly little joke to happen) for a moment because of the ordering of the flavors (though that may just be indicative of ignorance on my part). Because 6/7 sections have the flavors ordered in the "weird" way, I'm beginning to think that there's probably a reason for it. If there is and I'm missing it, then please do let me know! However, even if that were to be the case, I, personally, still think that ordering the flavors to match with the traditional order of stats would be more beneficial overall. It makes things easier for dumb-dumbs like me, so that we don't have to go to {{DL|Nature|Stat-focused_table|an entirely different page}} in order to figure out what the heck is going on.

And, just on the off chance that you're considering it, there's no need to copy-paste that table onto the Flavor page - the current table is totally fine for its page (though I certainly wouldn't complain if I could reinstate my edited version of it!), since it's more focused on the flavors themselves, rather than the increase and decrease of stats that come along with most natures. At the very least, we ought to make all seven sections consistent, one way or the other.

Thanks!

<nowiki>~</nowiki>[[User:Mimikyuuuuuuu|Mimikyuuuuuuu]] ([[User talk:Mimikyuuuuuuu|talk]]) 05:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
:First things first, there is only one place on that page where any of those basic stats is mentioned at all ("Attack"). On the rest of the page, no one will be able to tell what stat each flavor corresponds to without a whole bunch of cross-referencing (or memorization). So the proposition that an "incorrect" order might be any particular problem is fairly dubious.
:FYI, it was also kind of a problem that you didn't change all of the tables. (I don't mean to say that it's okay for you to make the change if you do everything up "right".)
:My primary concern about the "proper" order was that I'd like to know what the games actually do. And {{pkmn|Contest}} categories are listed in the order Cool Beauty Cute Smart Tough, just as the second table currently on the page shows. IMO this is a fine order since Contests are pretty strongly linked with the flavors (at least stronger than anything else). There doesn't seem to be any real consistency in other things, like the stat order when viewing a [[Pokéblock]], the [[List of items by index number (Generation VII)|default order]] of the [[Apricorn]]s, the [[performance]] stat order...
:Given that general inconsistency, it may be reasonable to default to the order of basic stats. But personally, I don't think it's that huge a deal, either.
:(FYI, you can usually make comments on a mainspace talk page first. It's much easier for other people to contribute opinions there. And people will generally pay some attention...especially if they've explicitly suggested the talk page. But even if you don't seem to get a resonse, you can always make a short comment on the person's user talk page to direct their attention to the talk page you commented on.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

==Alola Dex in Ultras Sun and Moon==
Hey there. I need your help with something. Can you add this to the Pokémon Infobox so I can add the dex numbers on the Pokémon that appeared in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon?: a2dex And maybe add a category like this? Category:Pokémon in the Alola Pokédex in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. Kinda like how you did in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 15:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
:As we've told a number of people who have asked in other places, we are considering moving the 'dex numbers out of the infobox. As you can see on {{p|Zubat}}'s page, its infobox is already very well packed with the 'dex numbers. Trying to make a new format so we can add another could be very complex, especially with the more or less random nature of which 'dex numbers each Pokemon has. We think that putting that info somewhere else may be better. There still has not been a decision on the matter. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I'm planning to redo all the quotes for characters in core series games (I have nothing to do), while filling out any missing quotes. I just wanted to check a few things.
*Do references to other characters and items requires linking to the articles; the names for the characters or items aren't directly stated ([[Special:Diff/2771756|example]])?
*Do quotes in "scream" speech bubbles need to be bolded? ([[Special:Diff/2771753|example - first line in USUM section]]: "This is excellent! Exciting, even...")
*For battles, are "Before battling, Upon being defeated, After being defeated, If the player is defeated" the correct terms to use? (I think I previously discussed with you before, but another admin sometimes changed the "Upon being defeated" back to "Being defeated".)
Are do these doesn't really matter at all? (I doubt anybody pays attention to the quotes section) Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 09:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about linking indirect references. Right now...I suppose if it were me, I wouldn't remove them but I also don't know if I would be motivated to add them. (Very possibly, if I were specifically looking at something, I might realize that the links are a good idea; or possibly the opposite. Right now, though, I'm just not sure.)
:Personally I don't like bold for screaming. It's never come across like it was actually supposed to be screaming to me.
:I do prefer that set, with the exception that "if the player is defeated" is unnecessary since the first half already entirely implies that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Cute Charm ==

The sentence, "The set of possible values depends on the gender of the Pokémon with Cute Charm, and if the Pokémon with Cute Charm is female, the wild Pokémon's gender ratio." looked kind of weird and I thought it had a grammar error. It looked like it was trying to say something like "depends on the gender of the Pokemon, whether the Pokemon with Cute Charm is female, and the wild Pokemon's gender ratio." Can we possibly make it more clear and obvious that it isn't a grammar error? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:08, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
::Okay thanks. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

== The Ash's Charizard gender debate, and the reason I ceased participation on it ==

Force Fire said this when I contacted them(my notes added to show my thought process reading this):

"First of all, Dennou is not a former staff member, he is still a senior administrator"

My mistake.

"Secondly, you need to stop going around like you have some sort of authority"

I know that and neither want nor care for authority on this site, nor have I been actively attempting to inflect such....Passion for rules =/= projecting authority or seniority unless you are assuming bad faith/intent on my end...

"Thirdly, just because I've been very strict on anything gender related, doesn't mean I'm going to say "no" every single time"

I'd like an example of them saying yes on non-Force Fire-written and mandated gender policy-based evidence, but they're right in a way).

"There is actual legitimate evidence/source for Dennou's claim"

Tomioka is invoking Word of God like JK Rowling retconned a Jewish Student into Hogwarts despite wizards and witches having no prior evidence of organized religion besides the occasional "my God"...that's how
Word of God works, which this echoes IMO.

"Tomioka is an actual writer for the show, so he probably knows more and probably has control over how he wants characters to be portrayed"

Does he have authority over other anime staff? Is he the one who OKs final decisions? I don't know if this is true or if Force Fire is assuming this (And if so, based on what)?.

"Tracy West novelisations is not written by a writer from the (Japanese) show. There's a big difference"

Yeah, it was a bad, rather sarcastically-motivated example in hindsight)

...I feel bad for ever entering into it based on a big red warning label on the top of the talkpage...Am I supposed to feel ashamed for even trying to quote policy? Did it really come off as bossing people around in a Brainy Smurf-esque way via poor wording? Or did I catch Force Fire in a bad mood/at a bad time...can you sort this out my confusion/shame? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:ForceFire can answer best for ForceFire, as I rule I don't like to speak for others.
:I think keeping in mind the possibility that you might be wrong is a way not to sound too bossy. If there's one thing I hate, it's being wrong. So I try to ask myself what I'm overlooking; it can be a bitter pill, but I like the other option less. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:24, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::I'm not asking you to speak for ForceFire:I'm asking if I should feel ashamed for even discussing the matter if I'm not someone important enough. And just cause I report rulebreaks doesn't mean I think I'm a cop, judge, jury or executioner:At best I'm a tipster. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 12:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::You asked if Force Fire was in a bad mood. I do not know that. (And I'm not going to just ask and be a relay.)
:::I'm not certain where you get the idea that only "important" people can discuss any particular thing on the wiki or whatever.
:::But generally I would not say you should feel bad. That probably won't really ease anything, but it may help move past it. (Which isn't to say there shouldn't be anything that can be learned from the matter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::::That was meant to be rhetorical. I'm sorry for that not being worded in such a way.
::::It does seem that some people, like Lady Ariel, Pumpkinking, Playerking and FinnishPokémonfan get a lot more "freebies" regarding importance and/or extra rulebreaks, so I tend to feel that they are given special treatment due to edit count despite their lack of staff status and/or serial troublemaking.
::::That's what I needed to hear. I will rejoin the discussion now that my head's clear. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 22:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::If you're comparing (contrasting, rather, I suppose) those users to yourself, no one on staff has gone to your user talk page about anything for, it looks like, very nearly a whole 3 years. You're not in any special trouble about anything. (...To the extent of my knowledge. Which is mainly just a paranoid disclaimer.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

== Smogon and fansite rulings ==

If Showdown(created, owned and maintained by Smogon) isn't a reliable source(Though I think it should be, but Verlisify fans/sympathizers run this site and Serebii, methinks), why is Smogon OK for some reason? They're one and the same, and they cross-reference each other. And have they given permission to use their info? Or is it a case of petty rivalry based on perceived betrayal(s) and flimsy accusations between webmasters that lead to digital Iron Curtains like with Serebii and PokéBeach(That needs to end...That was how many years ago? Talent gets moved around all the time...), and no permission is given/received between them and us? Or should I ask EB/Archaic(To see if he has an old, unnecessary grudge with Smogon's owner, as well)for a more concrete status of Smogon/Showdown? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 03:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Look. If you're gonna come to my talk page with your mind already set against us like this and just being antagonistic, I'm not gonna be inclined to give you any remotely substantive response.
:Have a good day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
::I apologize for that rant...I had just seen Avengers:Infinity War earlier this week, and it made me...emotional, to say the least. I would like to know why Smogon is a valid source but Showdown isn't, though. ::Again, sorry for that. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 01:44, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Source code about source code is a step beyond what we're comfortable with trusting. Put simply, Showdown's accuracy always has to be couched in a caveat. Only the game can truly be trusted to perfectly represent the game. Showdown has had to correct mistakes, and we can't necessarily say where remaining ones are or aren't. It's one thing to look at the ''game'' and say, see, because of this, this is how that works; it's another thing to look at Showdown and say, well, Showdown says this—and chances are ''pretty good'' it's right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Re: {{m|Air Cutter}} trivia ==

Sorry if my edit summary was unclear. What I meant was, since there are no Triple Battles in Generation VII (set in Alola), Flying-type attacks introduced in that generation can't hit non-adjacent Pokémon (since there are none). So this feature of the move is no longer unique. I'm surprised the trivium hasn't already been removed. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 21:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:If you're talking about a feature unique to Triple Battles, you can't say anything about moves that you can't use in Triple Battles. The inverse is that you can use every other move in Triple Battles to hit non-adjacent foes, and this is not a thing you can rate true/false for new moves because (again) you can't use them in Triple Battles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
::In that case, the trivium should specify "the only pre-Generation VII damaging Flying-type move" or something instead of "the only damaging Flying-type move"; right now it's misleading. Unless that makes it not notable... [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 22:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::It says "in Triple Battles", it's not rightly logical to consider moves you could never use in Triple Battles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Fine. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 22:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Ancient Trait Cards ==

Dear Tiddlywinks,

I was hoping you could answer some of my queries:

1. I have noticed that the Ancient Trait 'variety' of card renowned for its artwork style differences and ancient trait abilities (not included in other card types, though some cross over exists with some Mega Evolution cards also listed as Ancient Trait cards e.g. M Sceptile and M Rayquaza) is not listed as a TCG Pokémon card type, is there a reason for this?

2. Also should Kingdra's Primal Clash 108 and XY39 (which redirects to Primal Clash 108) cards be listed as separate cards in the Ancient Trait article due to artwork differences or not?

I look forward to hearing your response,

Thank you in advance.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
:I know very little about the TCG. You would do better to ask someone else. Possibly {{u|glik}}, or anyone who regularly contributes to TCG pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

:: Thank you for the advice.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:07, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== Deletions by user:GrammarFreak01 ==

Thank you for stepping in last time, though GrammarFreak01 has again deleted all of my work leaving a useless comment behind to justify the drastic action. I was concerned maybe what I had written was to detailed, though my additions were in regards to Cameran Palace's various rooms visited in M08. I may be wrong, but I believed at the time of writing that the information was appropriate for the page dedicated to the location. GrammarFreak01 has been advised against such actions and ways to better handle any personal concerns, including contacting the user at hand; none of which has occurred. I do not wish to enter an edit war, and would like my changes reinstated, even if modified, and actions taken against the user for overstepping the mark one too many times. I do not believe the actions are of a personal nature, and have witnessed them against other users. Hope to hear shortly [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

:I did not understand the point of describing every single room inside. And what other users are you talking about? You're making a pretty serious accusation there. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:48, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sorry for not responding sooner. I've been trying to think, and I also haven't heard much from others I've tried to ask.
::My thoughts are, I know that game locations can have pretty detailed descriptions. And the areas that were described do not seem to be accounted for any other way on the page. So it seems to me the additions might be worthwhile.
::I think the best idea may be to try to start a wider discussion about if that's needed. That may be able to inform a stronger conclusion a little while later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Hi Tiddlywinks, a bit of an update. I streamlined what I had previously put in, deeming it of value given that these rooms were visited in the movie and having looked at other location pages, such details appear to be of interest. Fantastic news, instead of deleting the new additions, user GrammarFreak01 swapped a few sentences around to give the page a better structure. I'm really happy with the result. I would still have preferred discussion with GrammarFreak01 before deleting all of the additions. I might draft a generalist checklist for any future location pages, unless we already have one of those?. Thanks for getting back to me [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:14, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
::::I'm not really into the anime so I don't really know much about specifics of their structure or anything. (Like I didn't know that any other anime locations went into similar details.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

== [[Shipping:List of anime shippings]] ==

So what's the inclusion criteria for that list? I notice that the content that I deleted obviously has their own articles, but other main character ships like [[PokéShipping]] and [[AmourShipping]] are not included despite having articles of their own. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:There are two options. Just include any anime shippings like the page title fundamentally implies. Or ask someone who might know what "line" there is (and then also describe that line at the top of the page; although I can't really imagine why there should be any such line). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:19, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
::I can't imagine doing the second option since it's actually been over a year since there were any edits done to that page before me, so obviously no one's really keeping track of it. I guess I'll go with the first option when I have the time. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:27, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

== Promotions ==

Am I allowed to congratulate you on your new administrator status? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
:Sure. (And thanks.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
::Congratulations on your new administrator status! [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== Alola League ==

Why do we not need the thing you removed? It could be helpful. {{unsigned|Elite4Alola}}
:It's already on [[Pokémon League (Alola)]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== About the Spaceworld demo... ==

I want to ask you a question. How can you prove the legitimacy of the ROM? I mean, it fits everything we know about the ROM, and it fits the Honoguma picture that surfaced in 2013, but at the same time it has some some things that sound fanservice-y (Misty as an Elite Four, Red as a Gym Leader...). I'm asking because I'm curious.. --[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 03:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:I don't know. It's not really my decision. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you for answering my question.--[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 21:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

== Individual Pokémon in Shuffle weekly cycle ==

May I know how do we plan to include where/when the Pokémon appears in the "Game location: In side games" section of each individual Pokémon for Pokémon Shuffle? I doubt we need to include the UX Stages since it's the same as the initial Main Stages. Here are a few suggestions for Special Stages:
::Daily, Special Daily, Safari etc. (With form differences):
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release) (Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16) (From February 13, 2018 onward)
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release){{tt|*|Prior to February 13, 2018}} Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16){{tt|*|From February 13, 2018 onward}}
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release — Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16 — From February 13, 2018 onward)
::Daily, Special Daily, Safari etc. (Without form differences):
*Event: ''[[Special Stages#The Daily Pokémon (#6)|The Daily Pokémon (#6)]]'' (Prior to February 13, 2018)
*Event: ''[[Special Stages#Daily Pokémon|The Daily Pokémon (Week 7 & 19)]]'' (From February 13, 2018 onward)
::Great, Ultra, Special Challenges etc.
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Week 6) (From February 13, 2018 onward
Or simply just
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Week 6)
Or do not add anything until how Pokémon Shuffle will display from now onward are fully decided? — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 10:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
:I hardly know anything about Shuffle off the top of my head, honestly. {{u|CycloneGU}} was into Shuffle, but they haven't been that active recently, though I think they've still kind of got an ear to Bulbapedia.
:If you want me to figure it out, I'd start real basic. Like, when you ask "how do we plan to include [...]", it sounds like there's no location info for Shuffle on at least some pages. From above, I can identify {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Mimikyu}}, who do seem to have location info, so I'm confused. Are you actually saying that the current info is inadequate? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. And yeah, haven't seen him around lately. Perhaps I can just leave this on his talk page until he sees it. Currently, the info already on each individual Pokémon pages are Special Stages (Event) that is prior to the update on February 13. Now, the Special Stages are pre-set for each week. I just wanted to ask if Bulbapedia wants to separate them from the two versions. But I guess I'll just leave a message at CycloneGU's talk page. Sorry for bothering. :) — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 12:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Template pages ==

Do templates usually get a move tag if they need to be tagged to be moved? This is because I have noticed that [[Template:Ash and Pikachu characters|two of]] [[Template:Pokémon Battrio characters|them]] had incorrect/incomplete page names and I wasn't sure if those types of tags go on templates aside from normal pages. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 04:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:Tagging templates can easily be done wrong, so it may be simpler to just bring it up with someone on {{bp|staff}}. (Besides, template names don't really affect a whole lot, people don't really see them, so they may not even be a huge problem, depending.)
:What "should" the linked templates be titled? (And what's wrong with the current title?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::The Ash and Pikachu one, it was missing an amphersand sign since the actual manga contained that instead of the original ''and'' and the Battrio manga adaptation one was the one that didn't contain the whole manga title in its name for the template. It was for consistency reasons since many of the other templates containing manga characters had the full titles, such as [[Template:Let's Play the Pokémon Card Game! Sun and Moon Arc characters|this one]]. Hope this helps. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Talk page comment arrangements ==

In regards to PardescanSlowbro's talk page, I was responding to his comment: ''"I must be dim. I thought you said major appearances equals appearances where the individual was central to the plot? Some of the deleted points may need to be reinstated based solely on this definition."'' How are they going to know which comment I'm referring to if I just post my comment (''"Yes, that is ''exactly'' what I said. There's nothing about the deleted points that would indicate they fall under "major appearances". Can you give any specific examples so I know what exactly you're talking about?"'') at the end of their talk page? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:How about...''don't'' just post ''"Yes, that is exactly what I said [...]"''. If two people are talking in a group and you want to respond to something one says but they keep talking, you're not just SOL when you get a chance to speak later. Nothing binds you to start without preamble like you would have if you could have responded immediately. It's really not ''that'' hard, just remind them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::What rules dictate this? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:06, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Dictate what? If you want to respond without preamble that's your choice, I guess, we don't have a rule about that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I meant the whole talk page arrangement in general. It befuddles me how this is possible here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::How...responding in order is "possible"? It should be the most basic common sense. Responding ''out'' of order only screws up the order of the people who posted ''before'' you and who you've now forced after ''you''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I would like to jump in here, Tiddlywinks. What GrammarFreak01 is asking is what decision or rule requires Bulbapedia talk pages to have all comments go in order of when they were posted when compared to other wikis where comments are more like branches and split off when multiple users comment on a single reply. Frankly, I am curious as well regarding the order since the discussion on PardescanSlowbro's talk page does not make much sense in the current order, but I believe that there must be a reason for doing it this way. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:"What rule?" More or less just as I and other staff have said: "Comments go in order". The reason is also as I said above: anything else really just screws with everything else. Other wikis are welcome to do what they want. Bulbapedia asks that comments go in order (effectively just like any natural conversation; the entire species has managed to do that fine for a very long time, people can manage here too). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::But is that in Bulbapedia's actual set of official rules and guidelines? Because if not, I don't see why I or anyone else has to be bound by that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::...I'm gonna go with, if staff tells you something and you decide to flout it, it won't turn out very happily for you, regardless of whether there is a strict rule... (At best, I will say that if you're that dubious about something, take it up the chain.)
:::Protip, though: if you're familiar enough with Bulbapedia (and, [[Template:Welcome|ideally]], it ''shouldn't'' really take much "familiarity"), you can answer your own question. And maybe learn a thing or two else in the process. ;) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I am under the belief that every single rule should at the very least be documented in an official list, that way people can be directed to it if they're confused so they know it's not just something that is simply preferred by certain higher-ups. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::...Your issue essentially comes down to "I don't trust staff to not be going on a power trip." So I'll tell you what. If you can't trust that someone on staff is telling you something that, for whatever reason, you really do have to follow, then take it up the chain. Maybe they know something written out to point you to, maybe not. But if for whatever reason you can't "trust" something, there are easy enough recourses. (Protip: if you don't want to do it in the open, you can even use PMs on the forums.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

{{indent}}New comments going at the bottom of a discussion ''is'' written in the talk page policy, [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Editing in sections|under editing in sections]]. As for why, because people are going to look for new comments at the bottom of the conversation, not in the middle.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:36, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
:Since it's been spoiled =P , I'll leave off with: I'd very earnestly appreciate if you'd take a read through the whole page. If this is one thing you've missed, there may well be other things you can learn. (...Not to mention, if you won't trust if someone just tells you something else down the line, it'd be better for you to just learn for yourself sooner rather than later.) In a similar vein, if you find yourself wondering about {{cat|Bulbapedia policies}}, try to remember that you can check that and other pages we have. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:38, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

== In-game trade ==

I agree about the revert on my change as it was not a future proof way to do it.

I've added a discussion on the page for that subject and hope it goes in the direction of your comment.

I'd appreciate to have your feedback whether you agree on the idea or not.

(I'm still not sure if there's PM so I post this here. Sorry if I goofed up)
[[User:Zanguu|Zanguu]] ([[User talk:Zanguu|talk]]) 16:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

== Re: No article on Aura used by Totem Pokemon/ Ultra Beasts ==

Hello, I tried to search for articles describing the usage of the aura used by [[Totem Pokémon]] and [[Ultra Beasts]]. There is no article covering this topic. Could I please have your permission on making this page?[[User:Elite4Alola|[[Elite4Alola]]]] ([[User talk:Elite4Alola|talk]]) 08:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:Mechanically, in the games, aura is pretty simple. Lore-wise, there's a bit more, but still, I don't know. The anime is the thing I really don't know. If you'd like to create a user page so we can see how much and what kind of content there might be, then we can make a better decision about whether it warrants its own page or what. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:I think I'll get back to you on this. I'll will go and do some research first[[User:Elite4Alola|[[Elite4Alola]]]] ([[User talk:Elite4Alola|talk]]) 01:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

== Changes to game location sections ==

Why should we have one format that's consistent for gift Pokemon, another that's consistent for wild Pokemon, and a whole bunch of locations that don't use any consistent format when we can have one format that's consistent for all locations? 
On Voltorb's page, why are you using the Frontier Brain template to link to the Power Plant? I don't think the Power Plant is a Frontier Brain. 
On Golbat's page, why is "Blackthorn City side" in parentheses but "interior" is not? 
[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:"Consistency" is not god. Putting big lines of text in parentheses just looks bad. The parentheticals are only meant to be short—that's what they've been for a long time, and trades and stuff have used their own format for a long time, and it's been just fine. The short parentheticals do what they need to just fine, they don't need to be twisted to take on more.
:If {{template|FB}} creates an appropriate link, I don't think it's a huge problem.
:"Interior" doesn't need parentheses. It's a simple label that reads very fine without them, the kind of compound you could easily find in normal English text. A compound description like "Blackthorn City side" does not work like that, though. I understand the discrepancy...I considered maybe just using "north" instead or something—but I didn't want to be more vague (and I guess if ''you've'' been trying to add "actual locations" and all, you wouldn't like that option either) so I figured it'd just have to be what worked. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::So...very short additional details (like "interior") aren't in parentheses, and very long details (like "received from Professor Sycamore in Lumiose City after defeating him") aren't in parentheses, either? I never thought putting lots of text in parentheses looked bad. Am I the only one who thinks that? Also doesn't using the <nowiki>{{FB</nowiki> template to link to the Power Plant count as a lazy template? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think those cases are in such a juxtaposable context as that suggests, but you've essentially stated those cases correctly.
:::You question whether you're the only one who doesn't have a problem with lots of text in parentheses. I don't know the answer really, but to turn it in a different direction, it may be fair to say that you may be the only one who has a problem with the outstanding format for the trades and such.
:::You're putting that last question like I should know about it or know how to react or whatever... Is there a specific definition for "lazy template", or......? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I guess you can say that about me. As for the "lazy templates", this is what I found on the List of Link Templates page:
::::"Although link templates are encouraged in day-to-day usage, it is asked that they are only used for the intended purpose. Any use otherwise may be considered a "laziness template". For example, consider writing <code><nowiki>[[Pokémon Trainer]]</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>{{g|Trainer}}</nowiki></code>. Usage of laziness templates will be reverted, and offenders will be warned."
::::[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::It seems FB may be one we specifically let slide. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Okay. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

== Event Pokemon ==

Hello again. My line on the page for [[Event Pokémon]] said that '''most''' Event Pokemon are mythical but not all. You removed it because not all event Pokemon are Mythical. I was aware of that and I even gave an example in my line and even then, about 85% of Event Pokemon are Mythical. So, why was it removed again? Just curious. Thanks '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 23:13, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:I didn't remove it because "not all" are Mythical. I removed it because not "most" are even Mythical. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
::But the big majority of them are. Something about Mythical Pokemon should be added. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 23:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think so. There are all sorts of distributions for regular old Pokemon. I would be quite surprised if Mythicals make close to the 85% you think. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::The only Pokemon that aren't Mythical are Lugia and Ho-Oh in Gen 3, the two Vivillon patterns, cap Pikachu and Dusk Lycanroc. That's 5 out of 22 (There's 17 Mythicals that are event only) so about 77% Event Pokemon are Mythical to be precise. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 09:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::That's very incorrect... For example: [[Eevee (Pokémon)#In events]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I was mainly talking about Event-Exclusive Pokemon, since they're the ones mentioned on the page. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 12:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, you've been using completely the wrong words...
:::::::Mythical Pokemon ''would'' be worth mentioning so long as it's in the appropriate place and using unambiguous language. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Ah. Apologies if I was using the wrong words. I'll add a bit about them. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 14:32, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

== Type page discussion ==

I already [[User talk:Glik/Archive July 2015-May 2018|discussed this]] with glik. Is there anything else you want to tell me? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:42, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:You practically neutered the sections you edited. I said it would be better to start a discussion. That way there's something everyone can easily see if they wonder in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::I already started at least 3 discussions. One here, one on glik's talk page, and one on Normal (type)'s talk page. What else do you want me to discuss? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, I didn't know there was anything on the talk page. I've given a response. I may have lost track of it before or something, I don't know. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Is my signature ok?[[User:Форс файре|'''Ф'''орс]][[User talk:Форс файре|'''Ф'''айре]] 18:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, it's good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Creating Japanese voice actor articles ==

Hey! After remembering [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive_1#Creating_pages your response] to my creation of the [[Ash's Pikachu (M20)]] article, I've decided to come to you about creating new pages. I'm thinking of creating a couple of pages or so on Japanese voice actors, starting with [[Haruka Tomatsu]]. Is that okay? Is there an article creation procedure that I need to follow? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:The requirements for VA pages are described at [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you for the heads-up! [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Cynthia being Verity's mother ==

I understand that there are conflicting sources about this whole matter, and that is why I think you should perhaps work to debunk the source I just mentioned first before we all move forward. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:Let me ask: let's just suppose that all we could ever have would be these two conflicting pieces of "evidence": what would you think would be best for Bulbapedia to do? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:52, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Discuss it and investigate which source holds more veracity? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:01, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::That seems like it's ultimately down to pretty much opinion... It can be very easy for people to be loud and determined in their positions. I don't think your solution is a strong solution. But for now I will take the simple route and give you a bit of reasoning in the vein of your desired approach.
:::The director's word is currently verifiable, whereas the other source is only secondhand information. Perhaps you have heard the maxim, "Trust but verify"? I cannot, personally, tell you anything reliable about the claim that Cynthia is Verity's mother, but I can answer anything you want to ask about the director's refutation of that theory. If information cannot be independently evaluated by anyone with the desire/ability (and therefore argued with nuance in its own right), then it's a decidedly imperfect source. Sometimes that's all we have. That's not the case here, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Mallow Tsareena Sweet Scent ==

Hi. So in SM082 Mallow's Tsareena does something that some would describe as Sweet Scent, as it has a similar appearance and effect to how the move was used in its pre-evolved forms. PlayerKing95 has removed it because we don't have enough proof, despite the evidence pointing towards it. I, as well as another user, has reached out to him to discuss it. It has been about a week now and he has ignored multiple messages to resolve this issue, and it is making me think that he will continue to ignore messages because it means the page can't be changed. Could I get some help with this? Thank you for your time.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 18:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
:I saw you've asked ForceFire too and gotten a response. I wasn't immediately sure how it fits in our policy, and I still haven't checked the episode or anything, but since ForceFire has responded I'll leave it to him now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Type pages again ==

Is there anything you still want to talk about? Can I start editing all the types now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
:Thank you for asking. And I'm very sorry I haven't devoted time to it (once again) for so long.
:Anyway, I've responded to the last comment and I think you can make edits if you try to follow the examples on [[Talk:Normal (type)]], unless you yourself have other pressing questions. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Stat averages of types ==

How did you calculate the stat averages of each type? You said poison had the lowest average speed, but the Bulbapedia articles say a few other types (such as rock) have even lower speed. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
:I used the averages from each type page. Apparently I made a surprising typo with Poison's speed; I typed 30 instead of 80 (I couldn't say how, 3 and 8 aren't close, possibly I just misread it or something). Rock is right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

== questions about hidden items in games ==

if an item is like inside a rock would i describe it as 'in the rock' or 'on the rock'? Also if you get an item from an npc should i use 'obtain' or 'receive'? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:It's not like you pick up the rock or break it or anything special. The only thing that makes sense is "on". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::ok 'on' it is. also u didnt answer my second question if someone gives u an item do we use 'receive' or 'obtain'? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Usually it's not necessary at all. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::u mean neither is necessary? so in the [[Pallet Town]] items section where all the items begin with "obtained from.." i should delete the "obtained" and just leave it "from x"? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::There are some cases, like if it's a ''reward'', where I might feel like specifying that, but even more specific things like probably aren't necessary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:39, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== repeated links in item lists ==

are they bad or good? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
:IMO it's usually a little better than making someone look for the first link in the box when they're reading a specific line. And it's how I always saw them so IMO it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::But shouldn't we still avoid deliberately adding new ones? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::I personally am very likely to link every line myself. There have definitely been pages where I had a problem like, "Ugh, Beauty's not linked, alright which random item referenced some Beauty or other in this whole list..." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Well, I guess we both have different viewpoints on this subject, and I can definitely understand your viewpoint. I just personally don't prefer the same link popping up again and again. Let's just leave the whole thing be. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::allrightey finnish u heard what the man said i will be linking every single damn link i see in every single item list i can find. :) - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::I hope you also noticed my reply. Please don't go overboard. And '''please''', start using big capital letters! It's bothering me! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:54, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::FYI I think there can be a few links that would be kind of useless. Like, say, caught Pokemon, that would probably be pointless to link repeatedly. Useful links are key, unnecessary ones just get in the way. If I had to try to classify it, that might mean mainly tangible things. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

== X-type vs. X type ==

I was under the impression that the word "Pokémon" or "move" or whatever had to actually ''be'' there in order for it to be "X-type" instead of "X type". I even said so to {{user|GrammarFreak01}} when they asked me about it on my talk page. Just watch the {{series|Sun & Moon}} Pokédex entries. They seem to be agreeing with me, since in them, it's always "<Pokémon>, the <category name> Pokémon. A(n) X type". The subtitles have confirmed that it's "X type", not "X-type". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:37, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:It seems even the games have some rare examples of this, like [[Acerola]], ''"And your Rotom is a Ghost type, too!"''. I think this is poorly thought out and fundamentally wrong, but I will leave it there and I won't argue with it beyond that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. So I take that I can undo your undoings on the memory articles? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:50, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Move policy ==

While I understand what you are trying to accomplish with this new rule, I honestly see the forbiddence of using one's own head while determining unnamed moves as absurd. 
First off: you removed {{m|Psycho Cut}} and {{m|Air Slash}}, when they '''fit''' one of the categories you named. Psycho Cut has been used in the Sun & Moon series before, with identical animation, and so has Air Slash, even to the point where it was used in the '''very same episode''', in case the comparison couldn't be easier! 
Second: why is the use of common sense apparently forbidden in this issue? Like, what else could Necrozma's laser-like move '''be''' than its own signature move {{m|Prismatic Laser}}? Why can't [[Mallow's Tsareena]]'s {{m|Sweet Scent}} be confirmed as such, when we've seen it being used in an '''identical way''' by its two pre-evolutions? 
Third: we rely '''way''' too much on subtitles when it comes to identifying unnamed moves. I'm telling you, some of these "confirmations" should be taken with a '''serious''' grain of salt. For example, why does Litten/Torracat know so many different slashing/scratching moves? Shouldn't we just go with the move that's actually named out loud? In some cases, these "confirmations" haven't even come in episodes where the move is used for the first time, like [[Nebby]]'s crying being suddenly classified as "{{m|Supersonic}}", which should be an even further indication that the subtitles aren't as reliable as some want to believe. And what about the cases when the subtitles fail to recognize something what is undoubtedly a move '''as''' a specific move? What then? What about [[Lusamine]]'s {{p|Salazzle}}'s attack from [[SM053]], which could easily be {{m|Sludge Wave}}? Why wasn't [[Kiawe's Marowak]]'s {{m|Bonemerang}} named in its debut episode, despite clearly being used in it (further evidence for the unreliability of subtitles), with the subtitlers rather labeling {{m|Headbutt}} as a move, although it has never been commanded to to be used out loud (thus indicating that it was just a generic headbutt and not a move), while all of Marowak's other moves have, which, based on the fact that anime has been sticking to the "only four moves at a time" policy from the games for a good while already, as evidenced by, say [[Ash's Pikachu]]? So, in short, I consider that subtitles '''can''' be used as '''help''' while identifying unnamed moves, but they shouldn't be trusted blindly. And if something that resembles a move is used without it being named by the dialogue '''or''' the subtitles, it should '''seriously''' be discussed and determined. 
I honestly feel that Bulbapedia is actively hurting itself removing all this information. Please. Try to understand my points. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:I totally agree with [[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] statement, especially in the upcoming episode of Poipole World that is going even more '''serious''' discussion and debate, wheather that location is [[Ultra Megalopolis]] or another unknown location that only appears in the anime-exclusive. So many questions to answers. It just really don't know, where it going to end. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 06:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::FinnishPokéFan92: you say that Psycho Cut and Air Slash fit a category I named. In my last message on your talk page I left two bullet points on your page in a "simple" criteria for the policy; can you please quote the one that you say fits?
::I'm going to put off touching the rest until that is answered. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

== Questions about files ==

How do I change files on Bulbapedia? Am I allowed to change this file if it looks different in my copy of Emerald? [[File:Hoenn Route 132 RSE.png|80px]] [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
:That's an RSE map. If it's different in Emerald, it may still be accurate for R/S, so it may not be right to upload over it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::What's the answer to my first question? How do I know if it's accurate for RS, and what do I do after I find out? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
:::How is it different in Emerald? Is it possible for you to upload an image to show what is different?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::::How do I change files on Bulbapedia? Do you want me to upload it directly to Bulbapedia or upload it to Imgur and link to it here? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Bulbapedia files are on the Archives. If you're not certain about something, using a simple image hoster temporarily is probably best. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::[https://i.imgur.com/VPstLqb.png the image] So far, the only difference I've noticed is the arrangement of the current tiles leading from the east end to Fisherman Ronald. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for being late, I got busy a bit and forgot.
:::::::Is that your own image? I think Emerald ''is'' different, but I do not think that is an accurate image from Emerald. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::How do I make sure that image is accurate? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Are you asking how to check it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well...I mean, does that mean you didn't take the image yourself? (If you did it should be "accurate".) If not, you can only compare the currents very closely. It may help to blow up your image so you can see the detail better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::I didn't take it myself. I don't know if it's accurate; I only know that it's ''more accurate'' than the current (yes pun intended) one on Bulbapedia. How can I take a screenshot myself? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::There's one small area that's different between the images, and that difference isn't accurate to either game as I know them, so I'm not sure it's more accurate. But anyway...
:::::::::::::Emulators usually have ways to take screenshots I think, but if that's not what you're using, you usually need a capture card. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Can I do anything if I have neither an emulator nor a capture card? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't think so? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== item split proposal ==

in this items section: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hoenn_Route_104#Items the hidden items for gen 3 and gen 6 are put together because theyre the same items, but i want to propose that its better to split them up. for gen 6 the description would remain the same but for gen 3 i would put a more specific description like "three squares east of fisherman" or something so it would be easier to find them. what do you think? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:FWIW it is possible to be equally specific for Gen VI. But...I was of the same mind before. It was decided that it's better to just be generic and keep to one entry if possible. (I have a secret desire to some day just make versions of the game maps with all items explicitly labeled including marking hidden items.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::curious how u would be specific for gen 6 since u might hold the direction key a bit too long or short and be off by a bit from the location. also okay i will just leave the items generic the way they are --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:56, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::The descriptors shouldn't be overly specific (like three squares to the left). "Holding the direction key for too long" is not the fault of the description, that's on the player.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::u mean they shouldnt be overly specific for non hidden items right? For hidden items I feel like they should be.. cuz thats what ive been doing for all my hidden item edits so far lol --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:53, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::If you can hold the key too long in ORAS/XY, you can do the same in any previous games. Gen VII is the only time where you've had NO discrete steps.
:::::I don't care if directions for hidden items are specific where they're the same in any games they appear in. If they would be different (and therefore require different entries or other complications), they should just be generic. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::i understand that a description for a hidden item should be generic if the item appears in multiple games to avoid different entries. i wanna know how you would make a specific description in oras/xy. would you just say like "three steps east of fisherman"? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 13:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::What do you mean how? If the item is located 3 steps east of a fisherman, then "three steps east of fisherman" would be accurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::hmm i dont know, i just feel like pre gen 6 its very clearly defined what a step is cuz you would just press a direction key once and you would always be on a certain square. in gen 6 i can tap the direction key gently and i go a tiny distance or i may accidentally hold it for a millisecond longer and go a further distance. my point is that i dont really agree about your point of "if you hold it too long in gen 6, you can in the previous games" --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I think you must be confusing Gen VI and VII. I would suggest getting out XY/ORAS and trying to move a step. It is not hard. The movement grid was not removed until Gen VII (though they did let you "break" it in XYORAS). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::EternalDragon, "pressing the directional button for too long" is not our problem. It's not the fault of the wiki. That's the fault of the player. We cannot control how "long" a player presses a button. It's simply not an issue.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

==Anime moves SM088==
Hey, I wanted to ask about a couple of moves and whether you think they can identified and be added to their respective articles.
* Flash Cannon (used by Solgaleo)
* Moonblast (used by Lunala)
* Air Slash (used by Lunala)
* Prismatic Laser (used by Necrozma)
I think the former two can be identified, because of unique animation. They both look identical to how they have always appeared in the past; Flash Cannon is a silver beam of energy and Moonblast is a pink orb of energy while the moon is shown in the background. Additionally, Flash Cannon and Moonblast have already been used in the Sun & Moon series (by Sophocles's Metang and Lusamine's Clefable). Solgaleo and Lunala's attacks matched the appearance of their respective moves.

Air Slash has been used by Gladion's Silvally. Lunala's attack looked identical to this one.

While Prismatic Laser has not appeared yet in the anime, it looks like the move's appearance in the games. I decided to include this one, because of the recent discussion on Sunsteel Strike, which you approved because it matched its game animation.

So, what do you think? [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 16:24, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:Relatively simple energy beams are always iffy to me. But you do say Flash Cannon's been seen before; would you be able to tell me what episodes and an episode where it's explicitly identified/called?
:I like the moon element for Moonblast, that seems like a solid differentiator. Would you also be able to tell me somewhere it's been explicitly ID'd just so there's one more bit of evidence?
:Air Slash, I'm really not sure. If it's not unique enough to be added to the whitelist in its own right, then I worry about how any change would play out considering what happened with {{m|Psycho Cut}} for [[SM053]] previously. I and/or we (meaning everyone who usually adds moves and gave it a pass) need to figure out why that sort of error was made and how to avoid anything similar if the rules will change.
:Sunsteel Strike (FWIW) wasn't approved just because it matched its animation, but because that animation was also quite distinct from any other move.
:Anyway, I'll take a good look at the moves and see what I think, and see if the rest of staff has any input. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
::Flash Cannon was used and called in SM086 (near the end of the episode against Team Rocket) and in SM088 (around the 9-minute mark against Necrozma). Moonblast was used in SM053, also near the end of the episode. This one was identified by the dub's closed captions. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 14:55, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Silvally was ordered to use Air Slash in the same episode where Lunala used it. The animation and colors are identical, so I'd consider it confirmed. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier articles ==

May I know why you deleted the articles on the Battle Frontier facilities which were created by {{u|TehPerson}}? The reason you provided on your edit summary makes zero amount of sense considering way back in '''2013''' {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} approved the split. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 14:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:Immediately apparent here is a really big assumption on your part.
:Namely: that I know what you are referring to when you say SM approved it in 2013.
:Perhaps you could help by pointing to where that was? (In the future as well, if you can, essentially, "source" your comments with links or something, that can help a lot if someone else doesn't know what you're referring to (which is probably not a good assumption to make usually).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::Is it so hard to go to the talk page and search for a comment SM left in 2013? Apparently so. [[Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation III)#Splitting suggestion|Here you have it]]. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 14:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to reward that attitude by doing work for you... Either I can spend who-knows-how-long to look for something you know and I don't every time you do anything like this, or I can try to prompt you to remember to provide these answers yourself sooner rather than later. It shouldn't be a horrible courtesy I'm asking. If you wish to respond to my request, I will be happy to respond further, otherwise, you'll have to be satisfied with what you can make from this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::What are you even talking about now? I responded to your request and provided a link. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I realized that just posting. I apologize, I seem to have missed the link at the end of your message. I think when I saw that my mind thought it was a signature. (Again...the abrasive attitude didn't help anything either, though.)
:::::So, it shouldn't really be hard to imagine, but I did not read that part of the talk page when I checked to see if the split that TehPerson had performed was approved. (I don't really understand why you might think I would have seen it and ignored it, certainly without explicitly acknowledging it.)
:::::For what it's worth, the Generation IV pages do not seem to have been approved. Also, SnorlaxMonster's message said "'''we''' can make progress", which does not necessarily mean "proceed entirely at your own discretion". Beyond which, 5 years is a long time. If TehPerson knew about that message, it still would have been very reasonable to ask someone on {{bp|staff}} directly (perhaps even SnorlaxMonster himself) just to check, even referencing SnorlaxMonster's old comment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:17, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::So you're essentially saying that you, by clicking on a button, undid all the hard work TehPerson put on creating those pages because you failed to read the talk page? Is that correct?
::::::What SM really said in that comment is that the split hadn't been performed yet because '''we''' didn't have all the necessary pages ready. '''We''' made progress when TehPerson went and created those pages.
::::::Anyway, are you going to undo your own edits now? At least the Generation III pages have been approved. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I read the talk page. Sorry if I'm not perfect. That's why all you beautiful people are here to help. (Though I'd appreciate it a bit more if it was rendered with less hostility. =P )
:::::::I'm not going to undo anything right now. There's no great rush.
:::::::I'm just going to wait until I know for sure what our decision is rather than presume. Patience. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== Professor Willow special research ==
Hi, I followed the pre-existing format for "A Mythical Discovery" which was omitting the very last sentence of each phase and used bullet points for items. Should you want to reintroduce correct phrasing, you may find video reference for the following researches:
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEjrqrBi1iM GO Fest 2018]
*[https://youtu.be/_WsWgCIaixk Yokosuka]
Also you removed "Special Research" from "A Mythical Discovery" and "A Ripple in Time" but not from "Go FEST 2018" and "Pokémon GO Safari Zone in YOKOSUKA", was this intended? [[User:JaxomNC|JaxomNC]] ([[User talk:JaxomNC|talk]]) 03:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:There is no format to "follow" for quotes except to represent as precisely as possible what a character's dialogue actually shows. We don't want to invent anything where there is no need, we want to document the game faithfully. (And Willow's dialogue for the Mythical Discovery steps did not have any "last sentence" with all the tasks, it did actually list the tasks on their own lines (with no bullet points).)
:Thanks for the links. Like I said, I deferred any substantial edits to the two variants until I had seen them myself (because, as I said, they should reflect as precisely as possible what the game shows). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

== Notability ==

Hello! I saw that you undid a revision I made on [[Trainers' School (Alola)]] due to notability. I'm still new here and figuring out the conventions, and I couldn't find a solid answer on the [[Bulbapedia:Notability requirements]] page. What typically makes something not notable? Was there anything specific about that change that I should avoid doing in the future? Thank you! [[User:Butterfreeism|'''–Butterfreeism''']] 01:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:I was mostly using notable as a common word rather than in the specific sense on the page you linked. It's just kind of pointless to note that [whatever] is only found in "this" area. Either the person is already there and will find the Pokemon if they want to, or they're not (or they may leave and forget) and if they want to find that Pokemon there's a very convenient species page where they will be well able to find a location where they can look for it, regardless of whether there's one place or more. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::Understood! Thanks for the insight! :) [[User:Butterfreeism|'''–Butterfreeism''']] 06:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

== Oluolu ==

The [[SM091|newest episode of the anime]] confirms that exclusive Z-Moves need specific moves as their basis in the anime too. Should this count as a sign that [[Oluolu]]'s {{p|Snorlax}} knows {{m|Giga Impact}} to perform {{m|Pulverizing Pancake}}, despite it never having been seen using Giga Impact? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:I'll see if the rest of staff have any qualms about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'll be waiting.
::Oh, and I also remembered: doesn't this also mean that [[Nebby]] learned {{m|Sunsteel Strike}} immediately after evolving in [[SM052]], given how it was able to perform {{m|Searing Sunraze Smash}} in the same episode? And, by extension, shouldn't that be proof that the move Nebby used in [[SM053]] wasn't just "a glowing headbutt"? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::No... Even supposing Nebby knew Sunsteel Strike, there's no reason to assume that's what it was doing. There are very unique parts of Sunsteel Strike that were not at all seen there; that's a huge leap of logic. Frankly, there's no reason to assume Nebby was using any move, as opposed to just building up power and smashing through the rock. Not everything HAS to be a move. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Your scepticism is way too over the top... --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::I don't exactly want to "shout", but I'm honestly a little astounded if you don't understand this huge point... '''"There are very unique parts of Sunsteel Strike that were not at all seen"'''. That's not overly skeptical, that's ''only'' reasonable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I'm sorry (like, not sarcastic or anything), in the midst of my reaction above, I did forget to mention... Yes, it's okay to say that a Pokemon knows the base move if it uses an exclusive Z-Move. (It doesn't count as a use of the base move in and of itself, though. For that it'd have to be identifiable by the same criteria as any anime move.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

== Undoing edits ==

Regarding the edit you [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Generations&diff=2858945&oldid=2858907 undid] on the [[Pokémon Generations]] page.

Why?

Maybe Bulbapedia doesn't make it a priority to use dashes the way style guides recommend, and maybe we're not going to make a [[wp:MOS:DASH|policy]] to "enforce" proper usage. But what reason is there to enforce it in the opposite direction? Where's the Bulbapedia policy on that? Just because an edit didn't need to be done, doesn't mean it needs to be ''un''done.

I don't know if Bulbapedia has an explicitly-stated equivalent policy, but Wikipedia has certain guidelines with regards to undoing people's edits. Per [[wp:WP:REVERT#Before reverting|WP:REVERT]]:

''"Consider carefully before reverting, as it rejects the contributions of another editor. […] In the edit summary or on the talk page, succinctly explain why the change you are reverting was a bad idea or why reverting it is a better idea."''

"We don't normally bother with that" isn't good enough. Why is undoing it better than leaving it alone? How is the article improved by your reversion? — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 18:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:I guess I'm just responding to your logic. You said/are saying that endash is the "right" thing to use, meaning it should always be used. I don't think there's actually a passive/lazy middle ground like you're suggesting.
:And IMO it's really not worth making anyone type out "ndash" or copy the right symbol. Not when I'm sure most people wouldn't even notice any difference just reading either version, or have ''any'' idea that it's a "thing" (meaning there'd just have to be other people watching out for it all the time—again, not worth it). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
::What you're saying is, in your opinion, it wasn't worth it to make the edit. That was already established. That doesn't explain why it's worth it to undo. [[wp:WP:DONTREVERT|Don't revert edits just because they're not a significant improvement.]] — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 04:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::We are not Wikipedia. We have our rules, and they have there's. The point TiddlyWinks is trying to make is that you didn't have to make the edit in the first place. It was unnecessary, that's why it was reverted.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I would add, it's "worth" undoing because a mix of styles is not "good" either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::You guys aren't very good at clicking links, are you?
:::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary#Bad_reasons_to_revert
:::::''"Do not revert an edit because that edit is unnecessary"''
:::::I don't know how it could possibly be any clearer. Just because an editor isn't following ''your'' agenda, doesn't mean it's your responsibility to stamp them out. This is a wiki. It's collaborative.
:::::And as far as the "mix of styles" argument, there are two reasons why that's nonsense. First, because "most people wouldn't even notice any difference just reading either version," as ''you'' said. No reader would ever see that dash and think, "That needs to be changed to a hyphen," yet you made that change anyway. And second, why should we be complacent about this punctuation issue but not others? Even if "most people" don't know or care about the difference between ''its'' and ''it's'', we still want our articles to look like they're written by people who do, which is why we don't reintroduce errors after people fix them. — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 14:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::News flash: we are not beholden to Wikipedia. (Which ForceFire already pointed out.)
:::::For the rest: refer again to my original explanation of why it's ''not worth'' it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

== Not-up-to-standards Messages- SM075 - SM088 ==

Hi Tiddlywinks,

I am messaging you in regards to the not up to standards messages on the sm075 through to sm088 episode plot pages. They were placed on the respective pages by GrammarFreak01 several weeks ago, and have yet to be rectified. I had earlier attempted to edit the sm075 plot, but the not up to standards message was reinstated by GrammarFreak01. I don't feel the current alerts are necessary to begin with as most of the pages were edited in response to FinnishPokeFan92's concerns, but I want the best result. As the user suggested, and because he is busy, could you or ForceFire look over those pages and make the necessary changes to delete the alerts? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

:Let me clarify that the tags are up there because there are some leftover errors that were most likely missed during the cleanup process. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive as Trivia ==

I've seen that you deleted my added trivia fact on the Pokémon Blue Japanese version page. I do agree that this fact may not be trivia-worthy, however on the Pokémon Yellow page, there is an exact same trivia fact on Farfetch'd. Perhaps it would benefit consistency to delete the trivia-fact from that page too then?

I think the 'uniqueness' in this regard is that Jynx cannot be caught in the wild in ANY International version of the games and Farfetch'd cannot be caught in ANY Japanese version. Not sure whether later games have this kind of trade-only Pokémon across all core games within one generation. Obviously it's all not that important, but the wiki is at a state right now where only small improvements are necessary, so we got the time to nitpick.

''Out of all the [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games, this is the only one where {{p|Jynx}} can be caught in the wild; in the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} as well as in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, this Pokémon is only available by means of an [[in-game trade]]. In {{game|Yellow}} Jynx is unobtainable altogether.''

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 4

2018-10-19T16:28:19Z

Malzagath: /* Version Exclusive as Trivia */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3]] (through Feb 22, 2017)

== Radiant Sun/Full Moon ==

Why do we have the Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms on Solgaleo/Lunala's pages and the form differences page? When I added Reshiram's and Zekrom's active forms to their pages it was removed because they aren't counted in the Pokédex like Xerneas's neutral mode, but yet Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms are also not counted in the Pokédex, yet are on their pages. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:In Solgaleo/Lunala's case, [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ the official site] called them forms. (Whether that should be OK may be arguable.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Adding on, there are some Pokémon who have form differences recognized by the Pokédex but yet don't have their forms in the box at the top of the page (eg Furfrou). Should they be added? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Rotom is basically the high end of what we're willing to accomodate in the infobox. If there is a ''strongly'' compelling reason in the future, we might consider more, but something like Furfrou is simply impractical and relatively trivial—little benefit to worry about including it. It's fine with a gallery. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

== Your help ==

..was unexpected in both "I didn't expect you to help" and "Why exactly did you do [[Special:Diff/2604502|that]]" kind of way. So, thanks for the former, but for the latter, was that more an "oh my Nesci now just get over that class=expandable thing its bad nobody wants that", or rather an "i still have javascript disabled so i must've cleaned up and nothing more ♪♫♪♫"? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:It took me a bit to parse your actual question here...but yes, I don't enable Javascript if I don't need it, and all I saw was apparently pointless HTML tags in the diff. I might've said about as much except I try not to sound too much like an ass (because sometimes people just don't know), so instead of writing something like, "That's weird yo", I just simplified the reason very, very basically.
:That said, the first table is '''super''' short, collapsing it seems a bit pointless. In fact, actually reading that one, IMO it'd be better to just make those nested bullet points instead of a whole table (like [[Experience#Gain formula]]); or just nest the technical note about Gen I-II specifically. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:56, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
::Um, sorry for being cryptic, I thought you'd remember we already talked about that. Yo.
::Thanks for the nested bullet points idea, sounds good, I'll try to see how that might work out. But for the ''other'' table, you accidently removed the expandable part (more or less), there wasn't a hidden anti-javascript agenda or something, right? (I know that HTML tags look weird—it's a workaround because for some reason, using * will always push everything down to the next line; so I'd prefer to restore that.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Hiding the ''entire'' table isn't generally the smart thing in any case. If you're going to collapse a table, you can generally just do it right on the table in question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

== Z-Moves ==

I made a template at [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Z-Moves]] to assist with accessibility for Z-Move pages, similar to the "Variations of _" on a lot of move pages. I was wondering if it's ok for me to mainspace it and put it on all the Z-Move pages. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:05, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Lemme just ask, do you care if I (fairly) radically change the style and then mainspace it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::No, I don't mind. Go ahead! --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::It looks awesome, thanks man. But I really think that having an MS for the species Z-Moves would be beneficial. Is there any way we can still implement it? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::They are pretty. But they make that part relatively big too. I don't think it's so bad since it's all summarized on the [[Z-Move]] page too already. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

==Aether House==
If you don't like my edit, find some other way to deal with '''misleading''' information that could give people the wrong idea of when Porygon could be collect. I am stating this from an intelligent standpoint, not to show any rudeness. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Never mind, did not see that. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

==RE:Moving pages==
Can you move the page [[Gracidea (Sinnoh)]] to [[Gracidea Garden]]. After duscussion and waiting a long time, other users agreed and no one opposed the move. See [[Talk:Gracidea (Sinnoh)]] for further details. Or can you contact an Editorial Board member, as said on the [[Bulbapedia:Editorial Board]] page. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 19:18, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Verity Lakefront ==

You changed [[Verity Lakefront]]'s text box back to a default text box after I changed it to a route text box. It is stated in the [[list of routes]] on Bulbapedia that the [[Sinnoh]] lakefronts are routes. It even says on the [[lakefront]] page of Bulbapedia that the lakefronts are routes. The three lakefronts are routes, thus deserving a route text box. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 22:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:"List of routes" is not the criteria for deciding whether a location should have a "route" infobox. I'd be hard pressed to define exactly what those criteria are because there ''are'' a few places that are not numbered routes where we use a route infobox (and I'm OK with those), but if you want me to, I can try to figure out what the specifics are/should be. For now, though, please trust me that the lakefronts are regular locations, not routes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::The [[lakefront]] page also states that these areas are [[route]]s. Also, if these lakefronts don't get route infoboxes, then why does [[Spring Path]] get a route infobox? The lakefronts are much more like routes, for most of the lakefronts actually have [[tall grass]]. Spring Path is such an obscure location. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 22:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::To attempt some loose/theoretical explanations, "Spring '''Path'''" closely suggests something like a route, so it was perhaps easy to just put Route infobox there. A "lakefront" sounds more like a simple location, however.
:::This is not strictly justification, but, again, explanation for the current state of things (i.e., a basic answer to your "why"). The presence or absence of tall grass also doesn't really make or break a route, because plenty of locations (like the lakes themselves) have grass, and some routes don't (e.g., [[Kalos Route 1]]).
:::Sort of like I said above, it may be that we should solidify some criteria for what locations deserve Route infobox and which ones deserve Infobox location.
:::Let me ask (and try to answer this as earnestly as you can): why exactly did you change the template? Was it strictly because there was a '''route''' infobox template, and those pages weren't using it even though that's what you thought they were? Or was it more because you wanted to see the connecting locations like routes show them (and thankfully for you, the lakefronts are identified as "routes" in some places)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Another path in [[Sinnoh]], called [[Seabreak Path]], is a path and is considered a [[route]], similar to [[Spring Path]], yet Seakbreak Path doesn't get a route infobox. Seabreak Path is also on the [[list of routes]] here on Bulbapedia. I may fix the infobox later, since Seabreak Path is considered a route and a "path." I adjusted the [[lakefront]] infoboxes purely because the lakefronts are considered routes, and route infoboxes belong to routes. It makes sense to give a route an infobox literally called a "route infobox." I thought it was just common knowledge. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 00:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I also wasn't suggesting that '''all''' routes have [[tall grass]], but most of them do. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 00:58, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The contrast of Spring Path and Seabreak Path perhaps gives you your best answer: there probably wasn't any rigorous thought about it all. This is a public wiki. It can be easy for certain "habits" to start small and slowly spread, very possibly via different people, and without perfect rhyme/reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Do you approve of my change of the [[Seabreak Path]] infobox? --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 01:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm basically leaving it all alone at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Another template I thought might be useful ==

I'm not sure if there's a need for it, but I made a template [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Spritebox/MS/1]] for menusprites to be used in the sprites section of a Pokemon. I was thinking there would be another for Gen IV, Gen V, Gen VI, and Gen VII Pokemon. This one would be used for Gen 1-3 Pokemon. Is there any that needs to be changed and would there be a need for it in the mainspace? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 21:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:I just realized... Would there be any way to do Gen I and Gen II menu sprites? I know that there are just general sprites like "Ball" and "Quadruped". --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
::Just so you both know, the old menu sprites and their Pokémon are listed [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Original era menu sprites|here]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 22:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:::This is awesome! I'll try to add this in. {{unsigned|Celadonkey}}
::::All updated! Thanks. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 23:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Maybe.
:::::One problem about the template is that it basically requires changing when there's a new generation, when it's generally been our goal recently to avoid that in templates with such wide use as all Pokemon.
:::::You can keep it around, but it's not something that can be signed off on easily given its wide effect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::True, true. Is there any way I can rework this so that it would not have that problem? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If you want to try, you're welcome to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Alright, but how would I go about doing that? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't know how much you know about templates, but if you need to, I'd suggest checking out your welcome template links or introductions on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Then, you can try looking at what we do with other templates that are designed to avoid this, like dex, availability, and sprites on Pokemon pages.
:::::::::Beyond that, I don't know how to tell you exactly what to do without just as well doing it myself (which I won't). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:21, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I had an idea... What if there were templates for each box I already have (for example, a Gen I menu sprite template) and then those templates would be put together on a "master template" of sorts to be used on the Pokémon's page to make the full chart? This way, instead of all of the templates being modified every time a new generation comes, the sub templates would be adjusted appropriately, or if a new gen has completely new menu sprites, a new sub template would be created and added to the master template. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Actually, it might be a better idea to build the sub-templates on the Pokémon page itself instead of using a master template, because with a master template, we'd need different master templates depending on the game the Pokémon was introduced in - a different template would be needed for Bulbasaur and Dedenne, if that makes any sense. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

== Does this count? ==

I found a way to make Rockruff's Pokédex Entry from the anime Japanese. The translation in also there. does this count? {{unsigned|Hamfart}}
:I don't think we add dex entries until they're dubbed. On that understanding, I don't think it should be added.
:However, I don't really know the anime. You may wish to direct your question to a staff member who's more familiar instead. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== Archives ==

Am I allowed to move my archive back to my own page? I archived my talk page for no reason and want it back to my regular talk page. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:If your new page hadn't really been touched, that might be an interesting question, but since it has, it's kind of too late to ask. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, rats. So I can't copy the code from the archive and place it at the top of my talk page? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::That entirely defeats the purpose of maintaining the history. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah, alright. Thanks anyways. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

== Weather Trio ==

The page [[Weather trio]] should be moved to Super-ancient Pokémon, an official term. It's been discussed on the talk page since early 2015, but we haven't gotten any response from the staff, but yet... Ataro has made a page [[Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)]]. Can it be moved? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:It sounds to me like you want to talk to Ataro rather than me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::I dunno, I know that the comics are Ataro's thing and this isn't really a comics thing. I may bring it up to SnorlaxMonster, or someone. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 02:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Gen VII Images ==

Hey, I was wondering about how to upload images to the [[Bulbagarden Archives|Archives]]. I have a few images for moves from [[Generation VII]], and I am unable to upload them to the Archives. It says I'm not yet a confirmed user. I saw that you are active on the Archives, so I thought that you might know how to upload these images. --[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 03:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:The Archives has an {{bp|autoconfirmed}} status similar to Bulbapedia. The long and short of it is, if you look around (which may not be an entirely trivial task, but also isn't impossible), you should be able to find some things you can edit/improve on the Archives to earn that status and be able to make uploads.
:That said, do be aware that, in order to upload images from 3DS games, you [[a:Archives:Messages from the Council#November 9|have to have permission]] first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Which page to put name locations on ==

Hey there! You recently reverted an edit I did to the Gen II base stats structure page, citing that information of default names for Pokémon doesn't fit there (presumably as it's not part of the 32-byte structure). So as not to get in an edit war, I figure we'll hash it out before doing anything. I'd argue it ''does'' fit on the base stats structure page, as it - as all the other properties on the page - is something common to and used for all Pokémon of the species. I'd go as far as to say the page shouldn't be about one single data structure (which the page title doesn't really imply, after all), but rather the how base stats of the Pokémon are stored in general.

Putting it on the character encoding page, as you suggested, makes no sense at all: the name data has nothing to do with the encoding of the characters at all, and isn't used in any related contexts. Seeing as the name data is used when creating a Pokémon and on summary screens, just like the rest of the base statistics... I'd say that's the best place. Not putting it anywhere isn't an option either, as that'd simply be withholding potentially useful information, which we of course don't want to do. What do you think? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 23:27, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
:Like you say: the list of names is very plainly a '''very''' different thing from the list of base stats. You're grasping at reasons to shoehorn that list into the page, when the only truly logical approach is to limit it to a single, readily identifiable structure. Based on what you're saying, we may as well have Gen III's base stats structure and Pokedex data structures on the same page; they're at least based on the same indices, which is ''basically'' equivalent to your argument for the list of names.
:The best thing you could really argue for would perhaps be a ''different'' page altogether, one that could reasonably mention all the data relating to species. That seems like a bit of a weird idea to me, though, so I'm very unsure how such a page would be made, personally.
:Anyway, I don't see the base stats structure page as being an appropriate place for it at all. If you have any better suggestions, I'm all ears. I'm basically okay with just saying it fits nowhere and removing it altogether if you think that's best, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

::Sorry, I don't at all follow your extrapolation here. Not sure where the "like you say" part comes from, either - I'm not "grasping", it's quite logical. Here's an a bit more structured summary of how and why they strongly relate:

::* The "base stats" for a Pokémon is data that's used in any combination of a few ways. Not all of them have to be true for a point of data to be considered "base stats", as is apparent from their inclusion in the main structure. The ways are:
::** '''Informing choices when constructing a Pokémon''' (wild held item, gender ratio)
::** '''Basic, unchanging values for how the Pokémon acts''' (types, base stats, egg cycles, dimensions of sprite, growth rate, egg groups, TM/HM flags, catch rate, Exp. yield)
::** '''Basic, unchanging values used on the Pokémon's summary screen''' (types, base stats, dimensions of sprite)
::** And yes, even '''used in the species's Pokédex entry''': the sprite dimensions byte.
::* In comparison, the default name of a Pokémon is used in the following ways:
::** '''Informing choices when constructing a Pokémon''' - all wild Pokémon get their names from the list.
::** '''Basic, unchanging value for how the Pokémon acts''' - if the Pokémon's name differs from the species, it is considered nicknamed, which has an effect when the Pokémon was received in a trade.
::** '''Basic, unchanging value displayed on the Pokémon's summary screen''' - the species name is simply displayed under the nickname.
::** In addition, it is just like the sprite dimension byte '''used in the species's Pokédex entry'''.

::That's 4/4 of the purposes filled.

::It's not really possible to, as you did, extrapolate my argument to combining the Pokédex data (which I was looking at just earlier today for Gen II; should make a nice new page) page with the base stats structure page, as the Pokédex data has no actual impact on the Pokémon. If you edit the Pokédex data, all Pokémon of that species look and act the same, with no difference even to the summary screen. Of course, as I mentioned, "removing it altogether" is ''not an option'' - skipping out on providing real information, even if it were to prevent meta-level "shoehorning" (which I really do contest), goes against the very purpose of a wiki. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 01:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::You're talking about base stats as a very abstract concept.
:::The page [[Pokémon base stats data structure in Generation II]] is explicitly about a specific structure, about a contiguous set of data (a list) with entries corresponding to different Pokemon.
:::The list of names is a WHOLLY different list. It's not logical to conflate both of those things on a page called "Pokémon base stats data structure". It's TWO structures.
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::: They're two different contiguous data masses in memory, sure, but they're used in the same contexts. I say "Pokémon base stats data structure" can just as well mean "the structure of Pokémon base stats" (which may well include "the data is structured as part of these two parts of memory") as it can, as you assume, "this specific contiguous structure type in memory". Very logical, all in all.
:::: Really - the page in question is the absolute best fit for information on this, hands-down. I'd say it's a really good fit, but even if you don't agree with ''that'', you'd be hard pressed to find a page where it would fit better. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The page isn't about context. It's about a specific data structure. The one on the page. Not the list of names.
:::::...I'll go ahead and ask (even though the answer would seem obvious if you're delving this stuff at all): Do you have any experience with computer programming? Because as someone who does, I can tell you, the page title just is NOT interpretable the way you want it to be. (And those pages are by their very nature incredibly technical, meaning that is the most reasonable way to interpret it.) It's one structure. Not anything kinda with the same feel. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I am a programmer. And I really, really, don't appreciate the condescending tone you're taking. That someone doesn't agree with you does ''not'' mean they don't understand. Frankly, the fact that you choose to ask despite saying "the answer would seem obvious" tells me the entire point of the question is to be condescending, which... well, I'm not going to dignify that with further argument.
::::::Now that that's out of the way: I'm definitely qualified to say that yes, it is interpretable that way. Obviously it is, since I'm interpreting that way. It seems to be subjective, though, since you don't agree - you're taking it as a "data structure" (as what you'd call a struct in C, for example), but seeing as the page is called "Pokémon base stats data structure" and not "'''The''' Pokémon base stats data structure", it may just as well be taken as "the structure of Pokémon base stats data".
::::::You seem to be dodging a certain question a bit: what page makes for a better fit than that one? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 02:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I absolutely don't claim to always be the most politic, but I certainly don't mean to be condescending. Mostly I'm just frustrated by your views when it seems so obvious to me. I'm sorry if that comes off wrong.
:::::::I'm not dodging any question: I ''put'' it where it better belongs. (As you said, you disagree. I guess I didn't see any point in going into that part more; I wanted to focus on what I ''expected'' would be a more fruitful direction...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::So, first of all - how come you get to decide where it "better belongs"? Probably because you're a junior admin, huh.
::::::::In any case, I definitely oppose it being on the character encoding page. The character encoding is used for the names, sure, but it's also used for ''everything else'' in the game. If you put info on the species names there, why not put info on all the locations and structure of dialogue? For the Pokédex descriptions? For the list of items, the list of moves, the list of abilities, the list of trainer types? Because the contents of those have nothing to do with the character encoding except being encoded with it, just like the list of species names. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 07:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

{{indent}}Like I said right off the bat...if you want to offer a third solution for where it belongs, I'm all ears. When people have differing opinions, that sort of thing is ''always'' a great option if at all possible. You've spent a lot of bytes trying to "prove" your opinion above when I already suggested to you a third option. By all means, try creating some user page to try to address it. I certainly see the point of your complaint; ''I'm'' not perfectly happy with it either, but it's better than the only other alternative currently. I would be very happy to have a third option. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::And what I'm trying to do is convince you that no, making a separate page is not reasonable at this time (which you've said yourself). However, it is much more reasonable to have it on the page where I put it than on the character encoding page. Do I simply not have a say in the whole thing? You moved it elsewhere, making my initial placement an impossibility? Is that really how it is? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 13:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::(Sorry to intrude on a talk page, but maybe it's helpful.) I think in an ideal world, we should have main "Data structures in Gen X" pages, with lots of sections that mostly link to the articles we already have, and with another section on the Pokémon names.
:::(Also, if you're interested in a second opinion: I believe if we link to it from the Pokémon structure page (much like we currently do), it should be... fine. Regardless of who is staff and who is not, I believe there are good reasons to not include it on either page, though.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
::::It's rather curious, LpSamuelm: you think I'm being (more or less) tyrannical, when you're basically asking the same for yourself. Do *I* have no say against what you want? We're two people. We want exactly different things. There's no "winner" in that equation. There's no reason you're more right than I am except that you're sure you are. The idea that this makes me unreasonable or what-have-you is nonsensical.
::::At any rate, I think we've pretty much reached the point where I ''am'' prepared to turn a little "tyrannical" and explicitly throw in the weight of my authority as a staff member. I've tried persuading you and I would have hoped you could see what was obvious to me; but I'm at a loss for what to do when you cannot see it, short of seeking staff opinion. "Luckily", I don't have to look far. =P This is truly what I think is best for the wiki:
::::* The data structure pages should as a rule only describe one structure. That is how those pages should be; not how you want to interpret them.
::::If you want to make a page that touches on more than one structure, get creative. Don't just say it's impossible. I'm '''certain''' you can make a page even if it looks a bit ridiculous. But you're not going to get anywhere so long as you keep thinking it's impossible and declining to even try.
::::It may be important to note that my word is not ABSOLUTE law. To be sure, I have some authority which should be respected. However, there are also {{bp|staff|many people above me}} who you may appeal to if you ever think I (or someone else) am terribly wrong in anything.
::::FWIW and perhaps obviously, I'd prefer if you just moved forward and either tried to work on a solution like I've suggested you can, or if you would just let it go and be productive in other ways. But I won't pretend there aren't other options. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

== Pokétch app icons ==

I get what you mean by your reasoning, but the thing is many [[Pokétch]] apps are already represented in the item lists of the locations they are obtained in by icons other than the Pokétch sprite, and have been so for years now. Some of them are icons of the Pokémon featured in their respective apps, so they make sense, but what I want to ask you now is that what do we do with this thing now? Do we replace all the app icons in item lists with the Pokétch icon, leave them how they are now and just try not to come up with any new ones, or something else? What do you think would be the best solution? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure what to think of those placeholders. When I first saw what you added to [[Sunyshore City]] it just looked wrong. After you've pointed out everything else, I look at, say, [[Pal Park]], and it doesn't seem so bad.
:But. There's also a simple enough solution. Just use the app images from the [[Pokétch]] page for the "sprites". Part of me was thinking for a while that that'd be best, if only! And then I realized we totally have those and we can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== Template edit request ==

In [[SM004]], the [[Rotom Pokédex]] gives a ton of new entries. Besides the obvious Pokémon entries, I chose to add the descriptions it gave about catching Pokémon and Pokémon Centers as well. The first one already had an entry way back in [[EP001]], so it's already been taken care of. However, the entry for Pokémon Centers still has a red link. Could you edit the Pokédex template to remove the red link? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:03, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:It appears to have been taken care of. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:29, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::Yup. {{user|Abcboy}} apparently took care of it before you could. BTW, as I checked out the Pokédex template out of sheer curiosity, I noticed a special entry tag (or whatever it should be called) reading "Togepi's power". I dug into Togepi's article history, and found out that that thing was used for Togepi's second AG entry at some point, but was already taken out in 2010, which was ages ago, but apparently the special note was never removed from the template. Just wondering that shouldn't something unnecessary like that be removed, even if it doesn't technically show up anywhere? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC) PS. Is the "Purpose" part in the template the same thing as "Dexter (purpose)", in other words, repetition and thus unnecessary as well?
:::The template is used on a large number of pages, editing it for something that's currently going to make zero difference isn't altogether wise, so for now it's just fine. (Try to always keep your signature last as well.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Understood. Maybe next time it's really necessary to edit it, that can be done too. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, that time seems to be now. The newest dub episode has two double entries, and the template needs editing once again. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:32, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::The next time you come upon a case that causes an explicit problem in a template like that, can I ask you to consider ''holding off'' on saving it with that problem? Try asking ''first'', so that you're not imposing a red link or something like that. Especially, there should REALLY be an option in {{template|Animedexbody}} that ''doesn't'' require updating such a heavily used template every time a new random odd case pops up. If we don't fix that soon, please try to keep that in mind and ask us BEFORE you use the template in an "unexpected" way again so that we can implement such a fix, which you can then freely use to use the template without problems.
::::::Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::So basically your point is, "Tell first, wait, and ''then'' edit". Gotcha. In that case, I'm now telling you ahead that I'm planning to split {{p|Yanma}}'s OS entry into the main entry and a section called "Yanma's attacks". Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you. I've updated the template. Where you'd put the 2nd parameter, you can now just put <code><nowiki>None|po={{p|Yanma}}'s attack</nowiki></code> (or whatever for anything else that pops up in the future). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you too. I've tested it out on Yanma's page, and it seems simple enough. So I was wondering, should ALL exceptions in Pokédex entries (i.e. all entries not about a Pokémon species) be replaced with this feature so that they don't need to be listed on the template itself, or should they just be left the way they are now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::You don't need to go out of your way, but if you're doing anything else at the same time and you want to redo it, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Would anyone know how to delete an account?[[User:Empoleon042806|Empoleon042806]] ([[User talk:Empoleon042806|talk]]) 15:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if we can delete your account if that's what you want, but we could probably block it indefinitely if that aligns with whatever reason you want it deleted for. If you're perhaps dissatisfied with the name you chose, it can be changed once. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

== Genderless vs. gender unknown ==

I can't find hide nor hair of the phrase "gender unknown" on any of our pages in regard to what you mentioned. If "gender unknown" is the new canonical term for it, shouldn't we change everything to use the correct term? If not, shouldn't [[cosmic duo]] use the same usage we use on every other page? Either way, we should be consistent with one term or the other, not a haphazard mishmash of whichever people feel like. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:I kind of meant you should talk about it "publicly" on the article's talk page, not come to me individually. I think that'd be more useful.
:(FYI, one thing I didn't have space to write is that I'm not rightly sure what makes genderless canon as you claimed. If you can specify the sources you were thinking of, I'd love to know it. Again, though, I don't mean here.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::(The source I was relying on was... the fact that we use the term and don't use a "fan name" template on top of its page. That's all... I'll bring it up on the [[genderless]] talk page, since that disambig seems to be the grandparent of anywhere that might be relevant.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== FP Increasing FC Costs ==

Really, you have to delete a important detail. It was part of a incomplete section. One of the reasons was: Needed Costs for all facility levels for introduction by visitors. Please re-add them.

[[User:Bluebird3639|Bluebird3639]] ([[User talk:Bluebird3639|talk]]) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:That information was actually there already. Nobody remembered about the incomplete template to update it, that's all. Nothing's been lost. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

==Ether==
Hey! Sorry, I was meant to put it in the edit summary, but Ether is the Japanese name and she's called Cherie in English. At least to my understanding, disambiguations don't count if it's the Japanese name and therefore there's no clash in terms of the article names. If not, I'm happy to be corrected.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:If someone's only heard the Japanese name, they could still search for that here, and then if there's no note they'd just be left confused. There may still be ways for them to find it, but that'd be relatively difficult especially if they're not super familiar with us/wikis. I imagine there's other examples of this being done but I wouldn't know where. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Move infobox and "flags" ==

Hey there! I believe you're still the flag officer around here? As you know, they're not exactly all perfectly accurate (as in, they're ''annoyingly'' deserted: half of our infoboxes have <code>mirrormove</code> incorrect, for example, but then there are none of the GenV+ "flags" I pasted on the talk of [[User:Tiddlywinks/Template:MoveInfobox|what I remember you were doing]]). I'm currently doing some related work there (which involves compiling lists of incorrect "flags"), and the more I do, the more I think this needs to be reformed rather radically. Before I go ahead, I want to ask: Do you have an opinion/plan on how to handle "flags" in infoboxes? Assuming there isn't something in the works already, could we (not necessarily just the two of us, but Bulbapedia as a whole) discuss (and eventually settle on) how to handle them? I believe this really needs some conceptual work before anything else (and it is about time!), that's why I'm coming to you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not really grasping what you're getting at. I guess that means no, I don't have any plan or anything. So in short: lay out your ideas. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
::Continued [[Template talk:MoveInfobox#Flag reform|here]]. Note that I added some more "flags". [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Pulse/Wave ==

'''はどう''' is translated as ''Wave'', same as the japanese version of ''Aura'', Lucario's power.--[[User:Martianmister|Martianmister]] ([[User talk:Martianmister|talk]]) 07:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
:Pulse is equivalent. Especially since they were translated in English as "pulse", it's fine to use that in our translations as well, rather than just take the lazy/mechanical route of obeying whatever Japanese-English dictionaries say. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== About the underlevelled Pokemon page ==

I saw that the pictures have been removed and I completely understand why they have been removed. But although an odd question but is SpriteIt still active on Bulbapedia? Because his most recent contributions and activity from what I'm aware of dates back to 2016 at latest. I'm asking as I'm not sure if I will be able to contact SpriteIt regarding his page for permission to have the template modified. If you know any way to contact him it would be great if you could tell me how so I can ask about the change in template. Although preferably it would make the page look better with pictures, if not having them is what he wishes than I'm completely fine either way.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:36, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:My removal of the column is entirely about what I think, not SpriteIt. That table is much too busy for a huge picture of the Pokemon's artwork. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::Cheers for the advice from my talk page.
::Fair enough about the table being too busy for a picture of the Pokemon's artwork.
::Also would it be better to remove the "Picture" column since there are multiple methods of obtaining an underlevelled species of a Pokemon along with the fact that it never was really used to begin with?
::Also if the "Picture" column is removed could I bring back the "Artwork" column? This is since the "Picture" column was never really used to begin with while the added "Artwork" column was used so in my opinion it would make sense to replace the picture column with an artwork column.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't really know how Picture would be used. I think if it gets to where it ''might'' be mainspacable, removing it can be considered, but until then, I'd rather give SpriteIt as much time as possible to respond to the page being edited and give any input (even if it just ends up being "Do whatever").
:::Like you said, the Picture column wasn't really used so even removing it doesn't really change a thing about the rest of the table. The artwork is still relatively huge and everything else relatively busy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Hey I know this is old and most likely this will not be approved but this is why I'm asking here first:
::::Would I be able to make my own Underleveled Pokemon page so I would be able to add my own information and change the template? This is so I can modify the page without distorting SpriteIt's original page format. Also from that page I'm only taking the information I have added there(it's still going to be on the original page however).
:::: If I can't make my own page then is there a way I could contact SpriteIt regarding the page? This is so I can discuss about modifying the original page and get his input before doing anything major since I'm not sure if he goes on Bulbapedia still.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 11:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::The userspace exists for a reason, and we welcome users making use of it to try to develop new pages. If you want to move it in a new direction, you're more than welcome to make a page in your userspace to play with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cheers! I assume I can get the stuff I added from the other page and make a different template?[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 13:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm a bit confused. But I don't think there's a lot of ways you can go wrong. Just dive in, get to it. If there's any issues, we can all figure it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

== Accuracy vs. evasion ==

I had believed you knew this all along, way before I realized it, but now I'm better safe than sorry: As accuracy and evasion stat stages are combined to ''one'' multiplier (Gen III onward), nothing can modify one but not the other. Or, in other words, "boosts its evasion by 25%" is another way to say "decreases accuracy of attacks targeted at it by 4/5". It's shorter and probably more intuitive/natural, but it doesn't allow us to be consistent, nor to link to one of the three consistently (and I understood that you preferred <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code>). (It's also a little less precise technically/mathematically, I guess, but I think that really shouldn't matter.) More or less, I believe we (and UPC) are using "accuracy" (or <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code>) as the generic term that encompasses both "accuracy"s and evasion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:I don't like leaving these things implied and ripe for misunderstanding, so I take it you're responding to the edits to {{a|Snow Cloak}}.
:Second: you're talking about stat stages, but Snow Cloak doesn't affect stages, it's just a multiplier. ...Perhaps you understand this, but that's not clear to me, and it did (plainly) confuse me.
:You do have a point that accuracy and evasion reduce to the same, ill-defined "stat" after stat stages are applied. (If we go by [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-diamond-version-pearl-version-and-platinum-version-accuracy-check.html UPC for DPPt], all multipliers come only after stat stages are resolved.) I.e., at a technical level, you can't really say whether a multiplier affects accuracy or evasion.
:So I think how we should handle it is that, in any cases where a multiplier nominally "affects" the user of a move, that affects their accuracy (like {{a|Hustle}} or {{a|Compound Eyes}}), while a multiplier that nominally affects a Pokemon that is the target of a move (like {{a|Snow Cloak}} or {{m|Gravity}}) affects evasion. This may be what the descriptions for those Abilities try to follow, but we may have gotten too concerned with the wrong things in some places. (If there are any categories for these sorts of multipliers, the question of what's right for ''them'' becomes interesting. Likewise, the multipliers that are split between accuracy and evasion at [[Statistic#Stat modifiers]] become equally interesting.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::I can't tell what your first sentence means, but my post was motivated by [[Special:Diff/2637785|you asking for proof it affects something other than accuracy]] (which could have been either an educational, rhethorical statement; or you being unaware that that's not really possible).
::I believe I understand the difference between stat stages and the rest. What I wanted to make you aware of is: Accuracy and evasion have ''a single, combined table lookup'' (unlike say Atk and Def).
::For things that do affect stat stages ({{m|Double Team}} etc.), we obviously need to refer to that stat whose stages are affected. For everything else, I guess we have some freedom, and I believe we're currently consistently saying "increases/decreases <code><nowiki>{{stat|accuracy}}</nowiki></code> of moves [against it] by factor/percentage" (see {{a|Tangled Feet}}'s edit history).
::Both ways of saying it have their drawbacks (as I said above). I guess it's a matter of philosphy/ideology, and of where we want to link to. I believe either way is okay. It's just that whenever UPC etc. say "multiplies accuracy of attacks against it by 4/5", we're free to reword it to "boosts evasion by 25%" if we desire, because it's really the exact same thing.
::(As a side note: for Gravity and {{weather|fog}}, we can say both "affects accuracy/users" or "affects evasion/targets" even ideologically. Official wording from Gravity's effect apparently is neutral: "Moves are more likely to hit for five turns.") [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
:::(I can't tell how the stages are really related to anything in particular here... So I'm just going to plow ahead until it becomes clear that I did miss something.)
:::I think "where the multiplier comes from" is an eminently reasonable distinction. If it comes from the target's "condition" (like Tangled Feet), that's their "evasion" that's affected; if it comes from the attacker, it's "accuracy".
:::Gravity and fog are more field-wide effects, but I think we still can and ''should'' consider them '''logically'''. As far as Gravity, it should be pretty clear logically that gravity hampers a target's evasion. Fog should likewise logically affect an attacker's ability to ''aim'' (their accuracy). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::::That's a reasonable philospohy/ideology, in my opinion. (And for anything not called Gravity or fog, in-game descriptions may be unambiguous anyway.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

== Teleport ==

Hey, could you maybe elaborate on why [[Special:Diff/2641360|my edit]] apparently didn't adress my concern, or shifted the problem? (I guess you realized: my concern is that it sounds like "wild mon" takes precedence over Mean Look etc.) I've looked at my screen for minutes, but I really can't seem to find it. I'd like to "fix" it, which really... doesn't make sense when I'd be trying to just repeat my earlier edit!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:I might have actually missed or mistaken the "wild" part at the beginning. It was still densely worded, though. It's kind of annoying, because if this were the effect when the move was intro'd, you'd say "Teleport causes the user to flee. It can fail depending on the user's level and because of trapping moves." without having to worry about, "Wait, you can't say 'always'." Being a change like this makes it hard to do smoothly (because I would have said the original way was basically easiest/fine). But I've tried to communicate the same thing more smoothly all around now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. I really do try to find concise wording, but sometimes I apparently just lack the sensitivity, the ability to realize it is overly worded, so I appreciate any simplification you're able to provide.
::In the meantime, I'll be thinking about starting a petition urging for Game Freak to not do bugs, because it's really annoying for us to represent them. Seems kinda selfish. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I saw Looker having a separate quote page ([[Looker/Quotes]]) and wonders on the full requirements of having to create a new page? I was editing Lillie's quotes and the whole thing took to 97.1KB. As for Looker, because since it's from many games, so I assume the full requirements are that the quotes must be very long and the character must have appeared in several games in order for a new page to be created? Also would "Upon being defeated" and "After battle" makes more sense? Or if "After battle" could mean even if you lost? Thirdly, if I were to create my own "User:Ruixiang95/..." on the ghosts appearing in the Pokémon games, which I doubt will be mainspaced at all, will that be a breach of the website's policy? Thanks! — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 11:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC), Edited: 11:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
:There aren't specific requirements for splitting quotes, but you're right, it probably shouldn't be split if they're only in one game or generation.
:I almost like "After battle", but unfortunately it probably is a problem that it sounds like it applies even if you lost the battle.
:We're more than happy for users to use the userspace to try out pages that they think would improve the wiki. You can include the {{template|mainspace}} template at the top, and when you think you're all done, you can add the parameter "status=complete". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Vandal ==

[[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Poke_bulba_321&action=edit&redlink=1]] Whom you reverted will not stop. Should we block? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

== ability3 field in Template:Pokémon/7 ==

The field to list a third possible ability for [[Template:Pokémon/7]] (and Pokémon/6) was way overdue, so I prototyped a version that accepts 3 abilities. The only difference between this version and the current one is the line that handles the ability fields.

* Updated template: [[User:TehPerson/Pokémon/7]]
* Test cases: [[User:TehPerson/Tests]]

Please let me know if you have any feedback. Thanks!

[[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
:We're not eager to add another conditional in a template that already has plenty, especially when you want to use it on so many pages that use the template so much. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::So is there some technical-related issue with this, or this being something too low priority to consider? [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 17:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::...It's exactly as I said. Let me put it less ambivalently. We will not be updating the template for that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

== Intervention, please? ==

Do you mind intervening on [[Cress's Panpour]], please? [[User talk:Pikablu|Pikablu]] refuses to listen to me when I point out that the trivia they added break policy, and they're persistently edit warring to reinstate the trivia. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

== Template questions ==

Hey, I've got a few questions regarding templates:
* Are we expected to avoid images in (high-use?) templates? Is there any (server-related) issues?
* Do you know whether the software evaluates all branches of ifs, and whatever will not display due to "display:none"? Or, in other words, is there a reason to nest ifs of subsets within each other (e.g., <code>if a<100 then ((if a<50 then x) y)</code> rather than <code>if a<50 then x; if a<100 then y</code>)?
* You seemed to be eager to wrap what currently is "display:none" entirely in ifs. I believe wiki syntax does not provide that functionality to wrap entire tables in ifs (expression error for me), but it may be possible with HTML. Is there a particular reason to try that (seeing how Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conditional_tables#Plan_C suggests] using "display:none")? (Possibly the above point!?)
Of course, it's related to [[User:Nescientist/Template:MoveInfobox|this]] (in particular, the damage category icons and the contest stats). Thanks in advance! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:Abstract issues don't always work well for me... What makes you apprehensive about images?
:Similar to above... I'm going to go with, I don't know, what's your issue?
:Firstly, Wikipedia doesn't exactly "suggest" display:none, it has it as an option (which perhaps notably comes ''after'' wrapping content in #if). I suggest it because display:none very explicitly ''hides'' content. Take a look at [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Cacophony_(Ability)]]: perhaps ''every'' species page links there because that's a default value in the Pokemon infobox, but it's hidden—it's still ''part of the page'', it's just not ''visible''. This is just, in general, a less than ideal problem (preferably only "valid" links would show up), but more to the point, there's cases where it can very explicitly cover something else you want to find. Suppose there's a parameter that, if set, shows a line with a link to "page", and if it's not set, that's just hidden. Based on the output, you might imagine you could check What links here for "page" to see where the parameter is set, but in truth, it wouldn't be any use to you; and it should be. I couldn't say for what, but I'm fairly sure I ran into just that problem for something in the move infobox. (FWIW as well, instead of very obliquely referring to "You seemed to be eager", being very specific about exactly where you get something like that from can only help. At least, that's true for me. Even if I did—eventually—realize what you were talking about here.)
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
::It's because very few templates seem to make use of images/icons. For example, [[User:MisterE13/Villain templates|these]] look so much better than the current templates IMO, and also nobody seems to have added the category icons to the move infoboxes although they existed way before the template was designed, and that made me wonder whether that's due to images (in templates) stressing servers or anything. I [[User talk:Nescientist/Template:MoveInfobox|included them]], but if use of images were a reason to reject template proposals, that'd be good to know (in general/"abstract").
::Thanks, I didn't think of "What links here", I just thought of categories, and none were added in that "display:none" parts. But thanks for pointing it out—{{m|Floral Healing}}, for example, currently links to [[Appeal]], and it really shouldn't. So I shall try to avoid "display:none", even if that involves some HTML workaround I guess. (Correct?)
::Example is the contest data within the move infobox; if a move needs no "Contest Spectacular", it needs neither "Super Contests" nor "Contests" and so on. If the software was smart and only evaluated what it really needs to (much like most "normal" programming languages/parsers), in most cases, it would need to evaluate less parser functions if those were nested, it wouldn't need to query some color templates, etc. So, I shall try to have them nested I guess. (At least I can't see any real drawback, now that I need to wrap entire tables instead of simply using "display:none" anyway.)
::I parsed your intention from [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Template:MoveInfobox#To do|here]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's ''no'' case where images would be a problem, but I don't know how. In this particular case, if those icons ''would'' be any sort of problem, they'd be very simple to remove, so that certainly wouldn't be grounds to reject everything.
:::You don't need to use HTML—and shouldn't, really. We're a wiki. We can expect people to know/learn wikicode. HTML can only complicate things. Just stick with wikicode.
:::The only generic argument I could make about nesting would be readability (counting brackets is annoying). There's probably documentation that could tell you. I rarely have the stomach to really digest things as dense as that tends to be, though.
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
::::As I said, I believe the wiki syntax doesn't allow for wrapping entire tables in ifs (specifically, I'm having problems with the opening and closing <nowiki>{| and |}</nowiki>), so I would need to use HTML (<nowiki><table></nowiki>) as a workaround. I'll try to see if I'm mistaken and/or can make it work somehow. I know using HTML it's bad.
::::Exactly, yes. But I think it's minor, especially when I'll try to intend properly. (And I think expansion depth can be a problem, but only if we get like a dozen more contests.)
::::Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Just wanted to clarify that the wiki syntax ''can'' be used to hide entire tables. I was able to make it work without using HTML. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

== Z-Move Effect ==

Ok then, let's discuss: Why do you think the E should be lowercase? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:03, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:...I was the last one to say anything on [[Z-Move]]. And what I said seems basically clear enough to me. Either you have a response that will attempt to discount something I've said (and/or you'd like clarification on something), or we can only disagree. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think you discounted anything I've said, and yet you reverted. Why did you revert? (I don't think any of your statements is factually wrong, but I don't see how that makes you revert my edit.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::There's no solid reason to think that phrase should be in title case. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::But wouldn't that be the most logical assumption for a key term? And also, wouldn't title case require one or two additional assumptions, namely that the beginning of the "line" (what you see in the infoscreen; I know it's not literally a sentence) ''is'' in title case, and that the capitalization ''changes'' between title case and sentence case within that same line?
::::Or in other words: Is there solid reason to think the phrase should ''not'' be in title case? (Or even ''rather'' be not in title case?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:54, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::I'm really not sure what you think a "key term" is/why Z-Power Effect is such. "Z-Power effect" seems simply descriptive, not particularly "special" or anything (for any solid reason). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Oh, you didn't challenge that until now!? That is because I noticed that in German, it is one word "Z-Kraft-Bonus", which can hardly be purely descriptive, and is different from [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/de-de/z-moves/ the website's] actual description (which is something with "Effekte"). Also, as it's in front of a colon, it's quite explicitly summarizing/shortening what it "describes"; it's designed to be to the point. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:43, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If you want me to have challenged it being a 'key term', I'm don't know how I should have done that when, again, I still don't know what you think that is and when this is furthermore the first time you've mentioned it.
:::::::I absolutely don't know enough about German to say much about that term, but I do know that all German nouns are capitalized. By that, I'd be very hesitant to infer too much from the German. As for it being in front of a colon, you're making a big assumption by inferring anything from the capitalization there; being explicitly set off, there's no telling ''how purposeful'' that capitalization is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:28, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Haha, of course I don't want you to challenge something I would eventually say. But what I mean when I say "it's a term" is that, well, it is an official term, official terminology, something that should be bolded and translated on the page; you didn't un-bold or doubt it was more than a pure descriptive sequence of words. (And with that German, I didn't mean to say anything about capitalization. It was an argument why it is a term, and not merely a pure descriptor.)

I know that it's technically an assumption to say "Z-Move Effect" is correctly capitalized this way. But in my opinion, it's actually way more of an assumption to say it should be "Z-Move effect" (because I guess terms are typically capitalized, because "Z-Move effect" requires the two additional assumptions I mentioned before, and because "Z-Move effect" just doesn't seem to be used anywhere official). If you really insist and disagree that it's a term, I guess we can agree that we disagree, and you would obviously have the right to make use of your Junior Adminship to overrule me if you wish—but then you should also de-bold and remove it from "In other languages". (But I honestly think I made rather strong arguments.)

But saying both "it's a term" and having it lowercase seems almost contradictory to me; I really hope that we will be able to adjust the article accordingly. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't have any particular opinion either way on this, but let me just point out that there are plenty of "terms" that we translate and use bold but that are officially lowercase. There's a whole list of them at [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax#Capitalization]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, and/but I think we have them that way exactly ''because'' they are not capitalized in sentence case (despite being terms). But either this one is, or (we're assuming) it's in title case ''and'' capitalized (only) because of that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:::The plain fact is, there is no context where you can guarantee that "your" capitalization is intentional. Uppercase is plainly a ''special'' thing; it is not something you assume by default. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah really? Okay, I thought one would assume that by default (for a term, or a Pokémon term). In that case, even though I would still prefer to have it capitalized based on my arguments, I guess it's not as crystal clear as I initially thought. I don't care too much then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

== Talk ==

So like four people get involved and I'm the only one in trouble? Really fair treatment here. So glad we have admins to make this place so much more inviting and remove all the information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
:Frankly, you were the one most obviously egregious when I saw it. So I did your message first. (After the page itself.) Beyond that, I have various concerns that are not all limited to this site. Try to avoid jumping to conclusions. Or at very least, if your "unfair treatment" is really your concern, be earnest about that (for example, pointing out politely and reasonably the people you think also warrant some sort of messsge); if all you're gonna do is drawl sarcasm at me, you're not putting yourself in any good light. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

==Thoughts==
I know you might not care too much about this, but I wanted to ask about the Mystery Dungeon item pages since we've discussed it (a little) {{DL|User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3|before}}. I've made a page for [[User:Wowy/Throwing item|throwing items]] where I've split the page into each game. The advantage is that the template doesn't become too complex and ugly, and you can write information specific to each game (e.g. IQ skills). Another advantage is that the item "stick" changed its name to "wooden spike" (both English and japanese) (I am assuming they have the same effect with just a different name). So sorting it out by generation would mean that the 'same' item isn't duplicated twice. The disadvantage is that you can't compare the changes that have been made over the different games, and also when someone searches "Geo pebble", I think the search would only land on the page and not on the exact item. I tried to make a page for throwing item because it's relatively sparse, but I don't want spend time making any changes to big pages such as the [[Wonder Orb]] page before approval. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry I haven't been able to figure out what to say sooner...
:Can you give any examples of where you think an item gets complex besides regarding buy/sell prices? (I don't really know what you mean when you mention IQ skills above either, and I don't think I see anything about that on your user page.) For the most part, it seems to me like, since the template is meant to handle multiple games, it seems best to use it like that (aside from how messy the prices get). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::A slow response is better than no response! And I also don't know what the best way is, and it's fine if we end up leaving it as it is. But if you take Wonder Orb as an example of a list getting complex, some orbs are available in all the games (e.g. Slumber Orb), some are available only in a RBTDS (e.g. Silence Orb), and some only in GTI (e.g. Notice Orb, well I haven't found it yet in SMD and there are no reports of it online) etc. Like the throwing item, some items also changed names (e.g. Foe-Evolution Orb --> Enemy Evolve Orb). So for anyone playing just one of the games, the list gets confusing as to which one is relevant to your game or not, until you open each table. I guess you could argue that the page is just a list of all the orbs in all the games, but maybe the page should strive to do more than that (maybe?).
::When I mentioned the IQ skills, what I meant was when you open the "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team" tab, then you can see a mention of IQ skills since that info is relevant to that game, while when you open the "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity" tab, you can see a mention of Team Skills since that info is relevant to that game. So you can put information relevant to that game under each tab rather than having it all at the top of the page.
::Whatever happens, thanks for you thoughts! I'll keep them in mind. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I've been advised that a compromise could be grouping games. Like sections for "Only in [RB]", "In [RB and TDS]", "In all games", etc as required. That way you'd still have only one template for each item.
:::I don't know what to say about ones like Foe-Evolution Orb --> Enemy Evolve Orb except that it's arguably working alright as it is now on Wonder Orb, with just separate templates for each name. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Ok, that sounds good in theory, but it ends up with too many arbitrary sections: "Only in [RB]", "[In RB and TDS]", "[In RB, TDS and GTI]", "[Only in TDS]", "[Only in GTI]", "[Only in SMD]", "[In all games]", and would separate similar items that should be grouped together (e.g. Stick, Silver Spike and Iron Thorn are obviously counterparts with different strength, but Silver Spike would come under "All games", while Stick and Iron Thorn would be classed as "In RB, TDS and GTI"). If that's the case, I'm more than happy to keep the MD item pages as it is now rather than make that change (it also doesn't solve the buy/sell price issue).
::::On another note, should Foe-Evolution Orb and Enemy Evolve Orb be listed together on the same template since the Japanese names are the same, while Stick & Wooden Spike, Iron Thorn & Iron Spike be listed separately since they have different Japanese names and so are distinct items?
::::And thank you, I appreciate your responses! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 01:28, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Are those arc/straight categories a strong in-game distinction, beyond just ''how they behave'' when they're used? If not (and possibly even if they are), then you ''could'' forego those sections. There's only three arcing items, I think it would be fine then to just talk about the different behaviors and highlight the three arcing items at the top of the page or something.
:::::Strictly speaking... Yeah, the Foe/Enemy Evolution Orb should be in a single template, basically like {{DL|Status condition healing item|Paralyze Heal}}. On the other hand...that unfortunately brings about a similar sort of problem as you mentioned before, since the closed template doesn't display the note about the previous name. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay, how does the [[User:Wowy/Throwing item|page]] look now? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Did you misorder the Rare Fossil and Gold Thorn in the TDS section? Seems good to me otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Magikarp ==

I had believed it was rude of you to just undo the entire edit when I thought you seemed to be adamant to keep that section clean, and wanted me to possibly move it elsewhere. However, if your problem was not ''where'' it was added, but ''that'' it was added at all, I believe it's just as rude. By now, it should be clear that I (currently) disagree. Either way, please feel free to outline your rationale.

(As an aside, I believe it's quite striking you expect me to possibly start the discussion by undoing an edit, again. Or is this you exerting Junior Admin powers?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:I'm going to be honest... The argument you're attempting to make here simply makes no sense to me. You're thinking something that's just totally different than what I'm thinking.
:The situation is very simple. I saw you added something to Magikarp a earlier that didn't belong. You reverted my reversion and called my reversion rude. That makes no sense, and your simple reversion completely ignored the problem I pointed out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::Honesty is always good. I'm in.
::In my opinion, a simple undoing of an edit (that is within the MoS) is almost always some kind of rude if that undoing is based on personal opinion only. Even moreso when the edit is not one word, but an edit the editor obviously spent time and thought to it. (I thought about it for several days, and it took more than half an hour to finally implement my edit.)
::...And it's more rude (and very striking) when the editor/edit attempted to solve an issue. Your reversion didn't address the problem at all. It just reinstalled it.
::What problem did you want to address in your edit comment? I understood that you wanted to make me (or everyone) aware of the fact that this should be about the species the article is about, not describe a game. I am aware of that, it's just that the game ''is'' about that species. The game is literally ''called'' the species—I can't do anything about that. What I did was focus on Magikarp appearing there (and I pointed that out in my reversion).
::(Just in case: The patterns are the most important part of it, in my opinion. I ''insist'' they need to be somewhere on the page.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I have to say... (With, for what it's worth, no offense intended.) It doesn't matter how much time you spend on an edit, if someone undoes that for what ''they'' think is a good reason, your investment/disappointment in ''no way'' justifies you automatically labeling it rude. Just because you put effort into something doesn't give it some magical protection.
:::You say I didn't resolve the problem you were concerned about. Fun fact: I don't really know Magikarp Jump. My intent was that someone who does should address that concern in a better way than your edit did. (This all comes around to: you're invested in this thing and feeling hurt about it. I won't say you can't be, but don't lay it all on other people. They don't have to have the same investment as you.)
:::You state the problem exactly, but declined to try to address it at all. There's a whole article for details of the game. Pumpkinking's edit addresses Magikarp's appearance about as deeply as (as near as I can tell) it needs to be.
:::And there's already an explicit place for sprites. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::I am in absolutely no way feeling hurt or something about ''my'' edit being removed. Simply removing that much value created focused at solving a problem (one we even agree on), is bad—regardless of who created that value. (And I didn't say that value gave it protection, or used it as an argument to "automatically" call it rude.) In short: Removing the entire thing entirely is certainly worse than what I did.
::::I know Magikarp Jump a bit. And/but I don't quite understand what makes you think my edit was bad. If you (have read my explanation above and) specified, I could try to address your concern. (Again, I focused on Magikarp ''in the game'', not the game itself.)
::::Are you suggesting to append it to the core games' sprites? I initially wanted to have the patterns near the prose explaining them, but I'm okay with your suggestion as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Call it what you want then, there is still no justification for calling a good faith edit "rude". Anything not to your liking is not "rude".
:::::I'm not sure why you're offering to address my concern when I've already said that Pumpkinking's edit is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Okay then, I misread that part. I'm fine with that as well, if we add the patterns (in prose and images). Would you please edit them in (or answer where I should put them)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I already said, if they belong anywhere, there's already a sprites section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I hope you already know this, but after reading this whole section again, I wish to very explicitly state/reconfirm that no offense was intended on my part either. I was not trying to attack you personally, and I hope you didn't draw that conclusion at any point. (I obviously suck at reading your mind sometimes.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

== Marowak ==

Based on your response to PlayerKing95's page what is your stance on the moves used in SM034?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't really follow the anime. I'll pass the question along. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

==Shuckle==
Thanks for dealing with the vandalism from Joel, hate things I like that.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:Meant to be I hate things like that.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

== RE: Encounter Edits ==

As I've been playing through the series gen by gen recently, I've noticed that the more recent gens are full of misinformation on encounters. Diamond/Pearl had a few apparent hiccups, but I'm running into them all over the place in Black/White. Serebii's database is even worse, listing pokemon in completely incorrect routes and areas. It's clear that the encounter rates thus far have all gone on people's experiences and nothing else. I'm just adding mine to the pool--and mind you, I'm changing nothing unless it's been hours upon hours and I'm absolutely, 100% sure.

If you want to dig up ROM data, by all means, feel free. It has not been done with this encounter tables. I don't have the time or interest in doing it, either--again, I'm just adding my contribution to improve the tables. Even if it won't make them 100% perfect, it will be a step closer to perfect accuracy. If you want to make the tables LESS accurate by reverting my changes, I can't stop you; I went out of my way to improve the data, but if that generous act is not appreciated, I'm fine not bothering. [[User:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|- Xelrog T. Apocalypse]] ([[User talk:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|talk]]) 18:14, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

== Is corocoro also a forbidden source? ==

[http://i.imgur.com/RDIolxQ.jpg]

Because if it was, my edit was valid. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
:Can you read Japanese? If not, you're relying on Serebii's interpretation of what that scan says. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
::No, I can't. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

== M09 ==

Hello I would like to ask for a staff member's opinion on this. Frozen Fennec reverted me when I changed "most likely" to "may be" and said that "most likely" is fine, I think having "most" and "likely" makes those points too certain and I don't see what harm there would be in changing "most likely" to "may be". Please could you offer some input thanks[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 14:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
:We try to avoid personal opinions, which is what "most likely" is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you, I saw that you changed it.[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 19:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

==New editor==
[[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pokerman118933]] This new editor is spamming some strange link. Two of his eduts are hidden. Is this vandalism? And by the way, on the talkpage for [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] I posted a question but I am unsure if it belongs there. {{unsigned|RubyLeafGreenCrystal}}
:The user was dealt with.
:It seems okay.
:Also, please use the "+" button at the top of the page, next to "edit this page", to create a new section on a talk page, don't just put it at the end of someone else's section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

== Re:Anime moves ==

I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant or whatever by adding that {{m|Thunder Wave}} use. However, I would like to assure you that I've learned my lesson: I don't add too ambiguous moves without them being confirmed anymore. However, this case wasn't ambiguous at all in my mind: the animation used for the move was identical to the one used in the {{series|XY}}, you can check it out yourself if you want. A couple other users have also already left agreeing opinions to T-Wave's talk page. Do you give me the permission to restore my edit? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

== Type: Null at level 5. ==

(Without double-checking anything but our breeding page) Eggs hatch at level 1

Doesn't that prove my point? Other than Cosmog (who's obtained at level 5), everything that evolves can be bred and hatched, which makes Type: Null the only unevolved Pokemon unobtainable at level 5. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:34, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:So you mean by leveling up... That's not what obtainable should mean. And even if you find the right word, having to level up Pokemon makes it unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::There is clearly a misunderstanding here. What exactly do you think I'm trying to say? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:16, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what I said from the start... If Sandygast can be "obtained at level 5", then either it can be encountered in the wild and caught at level 5, or it can hatch at level 5. Neither is true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::I don't think the point is notable either, but perhaps what Unowninator intended was more like "the player can/cannot legitimately possess it at level 5". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::: ^ Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for explaining Pumpkinking. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::In that case, my response here was understanding it just fine. You can only have Sandygast at level 5 after leveling it up, which makes it unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::What the hell does that have to do with anything? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:02, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::"You cannot legitimately possess it at level 5" is wildly aribtrary. If you can possess everything else at level 5 by leveling up but you can't possess Null lower than level 40, then why don't we just level up further and make it level 39, or ''everything'' from 1 to 39?
::::::::And why do we stop before Null's obtainable level? If we just go farther, then everything can be possessed at level 40-100. Yay?
::::::::Your line (and method) is arbitrary, formed to exclude Type: Null for no actually-good reason, it probably just "seems" right. It's not notable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::My reason was little cup, but since it doesn't really exist, why not bring up the level 40 thing? If that isn't notable, then why are these facts?
Of all the Pokémon that evolve by leveling up, Hydreigon evolves from its pre-evolution later than any other Pokémon, at level 64.
Out of all Pokémon that evolve by a set level, Larvesta evolves later than any other unevolved Pokémon, at level 59.
:::::::::[[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't know what "the level 40 thing" is supposed to be. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Basically of all unevolved Pokemon, it is obtained at the highest level. Everything else can be lower than 39, but Type: Null can only be at level 40 minimum because it can't breed. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
:Then just phrase it like that instead of going through a bunch of hoops to overcomplicate it. Something like ''Of all unevolved Pokémon, Type: Null has the highest minimum level at which it can be legitimately possessed: level 40'' seems, in my mind, to be more notable than dancing around the topic by bringing up Cosmog and level 5. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::Hang on, Unowninator, just because I said I ''personally'' think it's more notable than what you had before, doesn't mean Tiddlywinks will decide it's notable ''enough'' to keep. It's probably best to wait to add it until they approve/disapprove it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
::: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Type:_Null_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=215674&diff=2682162&oldid=2681962 *extreme facepalm*] Why does nobody understand me? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:18, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

== Video ==

I do not want to say it but if you pause at 0:25 of the video, it looks sha__. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:I still don't understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
::You will see a white menu in the bottom right corner. You know why now? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I see it. Please don't assume I can read your mind and keep asking me to guess. If you can't explain yourself, I won't understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
All right. I'll just ask if a white menu is possible on a gameboy. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:46, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
And if not, where can one be found on a gameboy game. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:I think they're trying to censor the word "shady" for some reason, and are pointing out that the video is taken of an emulated game (you can see a Windows right-click menu briefly at the point they mentioned). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

== Direct linking ==

Re: your discussion with Nescientist and the staff ruling that came out of it: Can you please have a word with FinnishPokeFan95? As you can see in their contributions history, they are edit warring on Berry pages to remove the redirect even though (as far as I understand it?) the outcome of that conversation was that those links should be redirects. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:My understanding is that there were two users seriously discussing, not that there was me and a staff member and a staff ruling. (However, there's reasons and arguments, and there's a policy to avoid edit warring, and a will to avoid useless edits.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
::When Tiddlywinks said they had been "advised" on the matter, I assumed it was from higher-up staff members, but yeah, perhaps I misinterpreted that. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

== Insignificant minor edits ==

(I have asked on SnorlaxMonster's talk page but gotten no replies, so...)
I wonder if these minor edits are necessary: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Scale&diff=prev&oldid=2700623 link 1], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Memory&diff=prev&oldid=2700622 link 2], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Fang&diff=prev&oldid=2700621 link 3]. They don't make any difference when you view them on the page. Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 22:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, I missed this before.
:"Necessary"? No. Personally, they are something I'd probably do myself if I was thinking about it while already doing something on the page.
:Your implication is that it should be stopped. If it was absolutely all someone was focused on, I personally ''would'' ask them to find more substantial edits to make (and have in some cases in the past). While at this particular moment it seems like GrammarFreak01 has done relatively a lot of that sort of edit in the past day, that doesn't seem to consistently be the case so strongly previously. It's still not ideal, but... For what it's worth, I can tell you that, as of yet, it doesn't seem to be weighing too heavily on anyone's mind on staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
::I see. I know it's supposed to do that while you are editing something else on the page, and not just specifically editing this part only. I remembered this sort of insignificant edits will clogged up the Recent Changes or something else. Since there's no worries about that, I guess I don't mind.
::Might as well ask this now also. Are the Rotom Adventures quotes needed to be added to the Rotom Pokédex page? ([[User:Ruixiang95/Rotom Pokédex/Quotes]]) — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 04:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Just to be sure I'm not missing something, you're talking about the Rotom from the Pokemon Adventures manga?
:::As far as I know, we don't do any quotes for anything but games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Nope, Video games. The message they show on the bottom screen as you travel in Alola. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 04:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Oh, just everything else beyond the dex stuff. I specifically refrained from that (or even adding an incomplete template) previously myself because I don't think it's necessary. Rotom's dialogue is a little bit like a walkthrough, I don't think it's worth much or adds much. And it's something for practically ''everywhere'', it'd be pretty huge. And then figuring out for ''each'' of those exactly when it occurs would be a huge pain too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

== Archive sandbox ==

Will you please archive the [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]? The maximum number of sections should be 60. [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 22:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:What do you mean the max should be 60? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:47, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::The ones including sub-sections. [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::That's not what I asked. I asked '''why''' you say it should be the max. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:40, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::::I actually agree. There's so much text & such on the sandbox that it causes my browser to freeze, so I can't even use it. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== That Rhydon thing. ==

How the hell is it excluding anything? The Psychic type thing excludes all other types, so why is that fine but not this? (I suppose I could just say highest attack of everything compatible with Eviolite, but I think the other way's better...) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:How is it excluding anything, you ask? The phrase "non-fully evolved" quite explicitly excludes fully evolved Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
::And Psychic types doesn't exclude all other types? I still think it's good trivia. Can we at least reword it? (Unfortunately, my best idea is using Eviolite compatibility) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:25, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Where do we draw the line? We've easily had "all but Legendaries and Mythicals", "all except Mega Evolutions", (all but Legendaries, Mythicals, and Megas; only Megas; only Legendaries and Mythicals...) "all starters", your "Eviolite users"...and that's just off the top of my head, there's probably several other "interesting" sets that have been on pages and plenty more beyond that if we just decided that anyone who wanted to could make up a set.
:::Let's also consider each of those sets I mentioned above: would it be okay to start talking about only the Fairy-types, Normal-types, etc among each of those groups?
:::What I'm getting at is that it's a lot of stuff, and all that just balloons. More than anything, it's hard enough keeping track of two broad categories (overall and by type)... (I'm pretty sure that when people started updating the best/worst trivia to account for Gen VII, they didn't pay any attention to the Pokemon that used to be "highest" or "lowest" and had now lost that status, thereby leaving old/incorrect trivia on a number of pages.) We don't need to worry about updating stats for a dozen different categories.
:::Even if you want to say, "Well, I think these four or five or so categories are okay and we won't allow ''anything'' else", it can be ''very'' hard to '''remember''' whether what someone added is actually in one of those categories, without referring to somewhere where it would have been stated out. Beyond that, it's not like there's a simple way to "agree" on which X categories we should have, either.
:::The short version is: we don't need a bunch of trouble for allowing all sorts of categories. We should keep it simple, and the most basic categories are just overall and by type. Easy to remember, easy to deal with... It's plenty. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Topps ==

Hi not trying to start an edit war but nowhere on the page does it describe all of the different printings. [[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 19:29, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
:What's not described? The logo colors are described. The finish is described.
:I was also just about ready to ask on your talk page: To me, it seems like the "2nd edition" set with a smooth finish that you described could easily fit the same case as what you called the "rogue" S1 set. Is there particular reason you think otherwise? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
::Everything is stated now but the topps logos and the 5th foil print were not stated initially. yes it could be called rogue as it was similarly not released in the U.S. but was produced here(at least as far as I can tell). So that terminology applies here as well. There are also packs of 5 and 8 for both logo colors. I also put in which set the promo was part of. [[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 19:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey I noticed some file names for the johto series 1 sticker set that were already uploaded are incorrect. 40 and 44 are swapped in the file name. I am unaware of how to fix this.[[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 01:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's interesting. I couldn't say why that happened or why I never noticed (and someone else had to fix it later on apparently)...
:Anyway, on the Archives, you can put the Archives' {{template|move}} template on the page so the staff there will know and be able to move it.
:As a note also, if you notice any images that are relatively low quality, like [[:File:Topps Johto 1 S45.png|Topps Johto 1 S45.png]], we'd be very happy if you are also able/willing to upload higher quality scans of those. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, I am willing to upload any scans of my cards. Do you have any pointers on how to spot lower quality scans? I know file size can usually be an indication but I also know that png images can be compressed with little loss.[[User:Samcarano|Samcarano]] ([[User talk:Samcarano|talk]]) 02:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't think images that are that colorful can be compressed incredibly much, at least not anywhere near the size of images with such lower resolution. It might be a bit tedious, but that means you could just check [[A:Category:Collectible cards|Category:Collectible cards]], find where the Topps cards start, and just check for small sizes.
:::You can also just check the user contributions of any person who you noticed has uploaded at least one LQ image. (It's a bit weird so you may not have noticed, but if you follow the link for S45/Steelix above and click "view on a shared repository" at the top of the page, it'll take you to the proper page on the Archives. On the Archives, you can see the user who uploaded it, LHakaLH in this case, and "contribs" will show their uploads and stuff.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

== some questions ==

hi. i'm not sure if you are the correct person to ask, but may i know how often does the admins reviews the articles in [[:Category:Candidates_for_moving]], and what is the procedure for moving of pages for admins? I suggested the renaming of [[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number]] to [[List of Pokémon by Unova Pokédex number (Black 2 and White 2)]] around 1.5 years ago. However, it had not been moved despite the hoenn and alola dex being moved to the format of "List of Pokémon by XXX Pokédex number (game)]]". I was told that admins will decide on the move after discussions, but most of the articles in [[:Category:Candidates_for_moving]] have no discussion at all, or the discussion only consist of the person who suggested it. Those that do have replies won't even last 5 people commenting on it. And the number of talk pages with the admins involved in the discussion is very minimum. It seems that
most of the pages in that category are just sitting there for months with no signs of any work to move or remove them from the page. May i have some enlightenment about the procedure, such as if the admins actually have their own private discussions about those pages, just that we won't know about it? i previously bring this up [[Talk:List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number (Sun and Moon)#rename|
on this talk page too]]. thank you for reading. If this is not the correct platform, please let me know the proper channel to enquire about it. Thank you again. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 07:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:To be honest, I believe discussion happens in an EB-exclusive venue, so I don't really know much to tell you myself about what kind of impetus there is or how it plays out or what.
:If you're worried about a particular page, it may be best to contact someone directly. That "a particular page" part may be important; I would suggest some moderation, not getting excited and asking for ''everything'' to be resolved at once. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you. the particular page is "[[List of Pokémon by New Unova Pokédex number]]". I feel that with the hoenn dex and alola dex being moved, i do not see the reason for the unova dex to not be moved to be consistent with the hoenn/alola dex page. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 03:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

== My confusion in regards to Grassy Terrain... ==

If Grassy Terrain is in effect, '''unless the target is in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move such as Dig''' or Dive, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude is halved (even if the user or the target is not grounded).

So basically, if I use Earthquake on something that used Dig, does it do a total of x1 damage (×1/2 from Grassy Terrain, ×2 from using Dig), or is Grassy Terrain's effect ignored when the Pokémon uses Dig, thus ×2? Does my question make sense?[[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
:The "×1/2 from Grassy Terrain" that you mention, you're supposing that comes from the sentence you've posted at the start? If so, that very sentence says that that 1/2 only is in effect IF the target is NOT using a move such as Dig. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, so the 1/2 is ignored and the total is ×2. I was just checking. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

== Necrozma DM DW ==

In Megalo Tower we have an box like this with Ultra Necrozma, and i think this is more convencional since Necrozma is not catchable and need to be defeated during this battles. [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) January 27, 00:03 (UTC)
:I fixed it. We do full battle templates for Trainers. Totem Pokemon get that treatment in Gen VII because the trials take the place of Gyms, but that's not what Necrozma is. If it's just part of the storyline, it doesn't warrant that. Otherwise it'd entail a '''lot''' more changes beyond just Necrozma. (This may be worth discussing—but my page isn't really the place for that). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

== BW142 ==

Could you please explain your edit to [[BW142]]? A Trainer can only carry six Pokémon at a time and Ash left more than six (Unfezant, Oshawott, Pignite, Snivy, Scraggy, Leavanny, Palpitoad, Boldore, Krookodile, and Charizard) at Oak's Laboratory. The "On hand" section on anime character pages always features up to six Pokémon. We use "In rotation" when Trainers are shown using more than six Pokémon. For reference, see the pages of May, Ursula, Nando, Virgil... --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 23:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
:I agree that's a better phrasing, so I've revised the page in hopes of it being able to stand as a compromise. I hadn't thought of the possibility of using "in rotation"; thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, Mikuri. I tried to check what was going on a bit but in the mix I seem to have missed/forgotten the part where you said Ash left more than six Pokemon with Oak. I thought your issue was that he had fewer than six Pokemon "on hand".
::That said, looking farther back this time, I really don't see any problem at all with Pumpkinking's original edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

== Rotom Power Bag Pocket ==

Do you know anyone who could add the Rotom Power as a pocket for the bag? On my userpage are samples of the item pages for Rotom Powers, but default to the Z-crystals pocket since Rotom powers aren't part of the template yet. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 03:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
:I received sprites for the pockets, so I can make it work soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Pokemon species trivia ==

Can trivia about a Pokemon species ever be notable if it's not unique? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
:As a rule, it is not. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
::For example, does that mean the trivia about Dugtrio being immune to telekinesis needs to be deleted because mega Gengar is also immune to it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Value of truth ==

I don't want to derail other discussions, so I'm taking this here. I'm alarmed by the attitude you've seemed to have on talk pages such as [[Talk:Team Skull Grunt (Trainer class)]] and [[Talk:Pokémon Communication Center]] in which you apparently don't think it's necessary to correct something false if it's something you consider minor. Phrases like "who really cares" and "what exactly is hurt" seem, in my mind, to be an effort to discourage people from trying to present the most truthful possible information. In my mind, these are plain-as-day cases of inarguably false information (niche cases, granted, but inarguably false nonetheless), and you seem actively interested in discouraging the correction of them.

For that reason, I wanted to directly ask: am I misinterpreting you, or do you really not think truth is an important value for Bulbapedia? If the latter, is that also the official staff position? If so, I'm not sure I can continue to feel comfortable participating in an encyclopedia if it isn't trying to be true. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
:You're taking it much too dramatically.
:I'm just going to address the specific cases directly.
:I do not believe that there's really any point to trying to say on any page about grunts that they technically have a "Trainer class" that is their team name. (Note that I am not saying we should have "Team Skull Grunt (Trainer class)". I am not, either, saying we shouldn't, though. I'm personally leaving it for further comment, because, in short, things are ''alright'' as they are, I'm fine just waiting and focusing my own attention on other things.) The only place I think it would be worth communicating that there is no "Team Skull Grunt" Trainer class would be if we had a technical page that touched on the Trainer data in the ROM or something. The argument I made that you express concern about above was against your suggestion to merge grunts' info into team TC pages—that's all.
:I do not consider an implication that the GS Ball is only available in Crystal's VC version a falsehood at all. You cannot obtain the GS Ball solely by playing Crystal's cartridge versions. There is no falsehood communicated. That said, I also ''explicitly'' did not say that only listing the VC item was the only option. I suppose I must admit, I tried to phrase my whole comment about the GS Ball relatively delicately; so let me attempt to make clear here that what I meant was: I do not think it is right for us to mention (or worry about) the cartridge GS Ball in the template, and I '''disfavor''' some extra note nearby (but it is still an '''option'''). To put it another way, the intended point was, noting the cartridge version in the template is more trouble than it's worth, but there are still solutions that we could '''add''' to the original revision before your original attempt to "fix" it. (Let's say that at least half as strongly as you are against only mentioning VC—which, again, is not the only option I entertain—I'm that strongly against any significant change to "Received from an attendant while attempting to exit after entering the [[Hall of Fame]] ([[Virtual Console]] only)" as your recent edit has done; it only hurts what is already perfectly useful.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
::FYI, I now [[Talk:Pokémon Communication Center#Event items|do not think]] that there is any real reason to add any note about the cartridge event. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

== I brought it to the guy's talk page to avoid an edit war, but it's been over a week. ==

I'm talking about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pokk%C3%A9n_Tournament&diff=2741661&oldid=2740232 this edit], specifically the release date. I even added the hidden text, but [[User:Akurochan]] flat out ignores it without even saying why. I asked him on [[User talk:Akurochan# Why did you keep changing Aegislash's release date?|his talk page]], but he hasn't even been on the site in over a week. What else am I allowed to do? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
:Two questions.
:1) What's your time zone? And do you remember when exactly you downloaded it?
:2) I don't know Pokken, so just to be sure, when you said you downloaded it, I suppose that means you could immediately play it (and not that it ws locked for a while still)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::My time-zone is EST, so it's 1:25 PM when I posted this. IIRC I was able to play it at 8:30 - 9:30 PM. It was playable immediately after the download finished. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Japan's time is 14 hours ahead of you. It was reasonably released on the "correct" day when you downloaded it. It's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::In other words, I have to leave it alone. Is that correct? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:56, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::It should not be changed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:04, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::Very well, I understand now. Thanks for doing what Akurochan didn't do himself. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

== Own Tempo Rockruff ==

I made a correct edit to the evolution section of Own Tempo Rockruff. Why was it reverted? [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:Note that it doesn't really make sense that you get '''Dusk''' Form at 5 AM (which is roughly ''dawn''). You're forgetting that in-game time is not the same as the real-world time (or more accurately, the 3DS clock, which also doesn't have to have ''any'' relation to real-world time). Only the in-game time matters. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::I am currently playing UM and I can confirm the evolution takes place between 5 AM and 5:59 AM. I know it doesn't make sense but thats how it is. US is 5 PM to 5:59 PM. I strongly suggest you revert your re-edit, or if you dont believe me, try it out yourself. [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:36, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Bear with me a second here... How do you know it's the 5 AM hour? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::::Well first I saw bulbapedia saying 5PM hour. So i tried leveling up Rockruff then. But it didnt evolve. So I found a few posts on the internet saying it was the 5AM hour for UM. So then I tried it around 5:20 AM (3DS time), and it worked. Why on earth would I even lie about this or make the edit if I wasn;t sure? [[User:IFlames|IFlames]] ([[User talk:IFlames|talk]]) 03:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm not at all saying you're lying. I'm saying you're missing something.
:::::The 3DS's time is NOT the time in-game.
:::::Try this. Check the time on your 3DS. Then go to a Pokemon Center in UM and talk to the cafe owner. (He doesn't tell you the same time.)
:::::That is to say, even though your 3DS says 5 AM, it's still 5 PM in the game when you're evolving Rockruff. The page is correct. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== "Trade" in Item Locations ==

For games where you can only obtain items through Trade, do we put down it as [[Trade]] or ''[[Trade]]''? FinnishPokéFan92 has been changing the latter back to the former, so I'm not sure which to go with now. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:I personally believe that the italicized one is better because it makes it readily distinguishable from other rows (where it's actually directly obtainable in-game). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::Agreed. I'll change them back when I find them again. Thanks. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh yeah in the same vein, under acquisition in item pages, when an item can be found in an area more than once (but still finite), do leave just the location or do we include the number of times it can be found? (6 [[Thunderstone]]s for example can be found in [[Ultra Plant]]). [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 02:53, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:I guess it's simple enough, I don't think a count like that is a problem. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::If I may intrude, that would require a lot of "backtracking" so to say, as many already existing item pages lack the amount of it obtainable in every finite way, especially when talking about earlier generations. This is why I personally would oppose the idea, even if only for the sheer size of that job, but if someone is ready to do all that checking for every single existing item page, knock yourselves out. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I think if it's missing, no big deal. It can be fixed sooner or later. And if it's often "later", even "much later", that's, again, not a huge deal. It's fine without, but also probably nice with a count. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:27, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Food Stall color ==

I don't get what you meant by that. The other Festival Plaza facilities don't share the same progression of palettes with each other. In fact, a majority of the most common ones are primarily or partially red, not blue. Plus there is nothing I've ever seen of Alola having some overarching color scheme outside the island names being colors in Hawaiian, and those four aren't applicable there, or with any of the different facility palettes.

I get keeping the descriptions of the facility palettes simple, but unless there's something in the game's code or from a guidebook that has official names for the facility colors that I'm not aware of, I just don't see what you mean by them having explicit palettes[[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 02:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:Let me get the issue of the "palette" out of the way. There are actually two reasonable color "palettes" you can take from SM/USUM. The first is the simple 7 "primary" colors of ROYGBIV, as seen in [[Poké Bean]] colors and {{p|Minior}}'s forms. The second is seen in the 8 colors you can [[Festival Plaza#Dye houses|dye]] clothes in (which many [[fashion item]]s also naturally have). (Pink is the "odd man out" in the latter set; "navy blue" could be considered a parallel to "indigo" and "purple" a parallel to "violet", and all other colors have the same names.)
:Now—if we exclude the obviously Pokemon-themed colorations of some facilities—every facility's color scheme is plainly based on one of these "primary" colors...or black. The black is a huge through line, so that gets a pass. But "brown" is not part of Alola's "palette" and it's not even remotely a significant pattern with any other facilities. Calling that one facility theme "brown" is ignoring the blatant pattern that everything else fits in; it's not reasonable that just one doesn't, especially when there are plain elements of a primary color in the building's color scheme. It may be relatively subdued, but it is the most meaningful label for this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::That's quite an arbitrary rule to apply to this. You're just applying the standard ROYGBIV, not something unique to the Pokemon games themselves, like Floette flowers, or the island colors. Plus, unlike the island colors, which are far more prevalent in Alola (Battle Royal Dome's stage entrances, the Battle Royal Dome symbol itself, Oricorio's forms, parts of the respective Island Kahunas' clothing, the Island Guardians), there's only two seemingly solid cases of it: Minior and Poke Beans.
::As well, those two are not perfect matches for ROYGBIV. The "blue" and "indigo" Minior Forms and Poke Bean colors are closer to being cyan and blue, respectively. I checked the RGB levels of the sprites in an editing program and none of the "Indigo" ones had red levels higher than their green levels Which for Indigo the RGB levels are usually around 75,0,130. The "blue" ones were far from being dominantly blue, having a fair mix of green and blue, which shades of Cyan usually have. Not to mention the "blue" pattern bean is nearly entirely white.
::All this, along with the Pink and Navy Blue dye shops and the odd Black themed facilities throughout not fitting with the ROYGBIV palette, leads me to the conclusion that it's not nearly as concrete of a design theory as it might seem.
::In conclusion, I think that we should provide descriptions of objects and locations based on what we see, not based on our assumptions. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 06:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::If the games want to identify whatever shades as "blue" or "indigo" or whatever, so long as it's halfway reasonable (i.e., not "blue" for '''orange'''), that's their choice and not even something worth arguing...
:::Among the other three food stall variations, the only things that consistently match the obvious color theme are the checkers and the paneling flanking them. The first food stall variation bucks that pattern, with those parts having different colors. And, of the two parts, I think it's profoundly reasonable to focus on the checker pattern. Brown isn't remotely worth calling a color scheme, it's just wood, a ''default''. The plain design touch is the blue checkers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Ok, I'll concede, I hadn't checked what the in-game Pokedex names Minior's forms prior to now. Poke Beans also likely follow that scheme, even if it's not as solid, there's still 7 of them and they somewhat follow ROYGBIV. The same for the dye stalls; Navy Blue could just be a mistranslation of Indigo. (and I just thought of Pink being there to fully represent the Island colors alongside ROYGBIV)
::::But I still think it's quite a large leap in logic to assume that other things in-game fit that when they don't come in a set of 7 colors that resemble ROYGBIV as those three examples do. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 20:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I don't think there's a big leap of logic, but I don't think that's the only reason to choose "blue" either. Like I said, that's really the only reasonable color you can point to as the design choice ("brown" is not the design choice, it's just the foundation). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Once again, that's a very arbitrary distinction. Brown is a color just the same as blue is. I don't see what makes it different from any other color that makes it just a "foundation". Regular wooden surfaces are just as valid in real life for designing building exteriors or interiors as any painted surface. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I really don't think this is hard. Blue is a color that the other variations have used. Brown isn't. There's simply NO good reason to choose brown uniquely here instead of blue. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Grant (trivia) ==

I simplified my earlier edit to include only Geodude - though Roxanne does have an Onix- in rematches that is.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:33, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

: What do you mean not enough Rock-type gym leaders - how many does there have to be for a comparison?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::Maybe 10. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Serrebi ==

Hi. Noticed your post on a user's page. Wnat to know, what iss tealing from Serribbi? Is it not fair use to note facts regardless of who discovered them? I am not an expert in law so it seems quite new to me (after all, I did not underatand copyright or IP rights well until a few years ago). [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 00:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:It's pretty simple. Serebii has expressed that they do not allow other sites to take their information. If you find something at Serebii, you'll have to find an independent source or confirm it on your own before you can edit it here. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:29, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::I understand. But is there any legal reason to avoid? I do not plan on posting anything from there (rarely visit it anyway), but just wondering. Does this mean research can be copyrighted? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 01:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::As they say: I am not a lawyer. All I can say is that BP staff wouldn't long tolerate anyone continually trying to use Serebii's info here. We have no desire to antagonize them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Did not realize there were people like that. One learns somthing new every day. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 02:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

== Fossil Pages ==

Hiya! I got the individual Fossil pages on my userspace I believe are ready to be mainspaced. If you deem they are, how would we go about this procedure with the current X and Y Fossils format? [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== untitled ==
Stick to your pages and I'll stick to mine. Thanks. {{unsigned|Vyper3006}}
:This does not constitute a discussion. I await any substance. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

You have it.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPoQ7QU8fR_pFFfBvm488IP_N3sMzgzFflr2t9C

Why are you saying it isn't a real card?

== List of moves and abilities affecting abilities ==

You undid my edit, saying that it was "already mentioned". Where was it already mentioned? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:Where you put it before and where I removed those tables, easily visible if you look at the diff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::You only told me not to put the tables above the list of abilities, so I re-added them below the list of abilities. Why can't I have the tables there? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm confused. Do you or do you not realize that the things you want to add are currently on the page already? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
::::I realized just now. Oh well. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:46, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Unacceptable User Name chain ==

An array of users named after Communists has just shown up. Might want to nip this in the bud.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Types and "metagame" information ==

Why is information about "the metagame" (stuff like "this type is good when combined with this other type") allowed on the pages about types but nowhere else? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Thunder wave ==

When I added that trivia (or trivium or whatever), I meant thunder wave was the only status move whose immunities ''behave according to the type chart''. You know, the one that looks like this.
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|-
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|-
! style="background:#{{normal color}}" | {{ic|Normal}}
! style="background:#{{fighting color}}" | {{ic|Fighting}}
! style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{ic|Flying}}
! style="background:#{{poison color}}" | {{ic|Poison}}
! style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{ic|Ground}}
! style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{ic|Rock}}
! style="background:#{{bug color}}" | {{ic|Bug}}
! style="background:#{{ghost color}}" | {{ic|Ghost}}
! style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{ic|Steel}}
! style="background:#{{fire color}}" | {{ic|Fire}}
! style="background:#{{water color}}" | {{ic|Water}}
! style="background:#{{grass color}}" | {{ic|Grass}}
! style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{ic|Electric}}
! style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{ic|Psychic}}
! style="background:#{{ice color}}" | {{ic|Ice}}
! style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{ic|Dragon}}
! style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{ic|Dark}}
! style="background:#{{fairy color}}" | {{ic|Fairy}}
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| colspan="20" style="{{roundybottom|5px}}; background:#999" | These matchups are suitable for {{color2|000|Generation VI}} onward.
|}According to that chart, grass and electric are not immune to anything, so the fact that stun spore couldn't hit them had to be ''programmed separately.'' What I was trying to say earlier was that thunder wave was the only status move that ''behaves according to this chart'' and was not ''programmed separately.'' Do you understand what I'm trying to say now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:I still don't think it's so important a difference that it's worth any trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Klinklang ==

Hello. On the page for Klinklang, you removed my trivia because it was noticeable. Noticeable Trivia does appear a fair bit on Bulbapedia and if you looked at the Gen 5 Sprites, it isn't that obvious. I'm just wondering why it was removed as such. Thanks. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 15:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:We just don't list things already visible on the page. That's just repetitive, when anyone can see it if they care. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== How? ==

Seriously, how did you not see the poor English and punctuation in [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Unnamed_island_(EP098)&diff=prev&oldid=2768100 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cinnabar_Island&diff=prev&oldid=2768111 edits]? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:What do those matter? It's not at all unintelligible. The changes it seems you've now made are minor. That's not even remotely a basis for outright rejection. If you don't want to fix it, leave it alone, you can't revert it just because it bugs you a bit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::I reverted those because I wasn't sure what the original editor was trying to communicate due to the poor English, and I feared that any changes I made would ruin the intended meaning. For example, with the second diff, it mentions a "Gyarados hot spring tap". Since I didn't see that episode, I didn't know if the Gyarados was a typo, or if the hot spring tap was supposed to be shaped like a Gyarados, or if there was a missing key word. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:::That's just one (arguable) sentence. Not remotely warranting wholesale reversion. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Like I said, one change could've ruined the whole meaning the user was trying to communicate, and I couldn't leave it like that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::...That doesn't mean reverting the whole thing was right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::Well, what was I supposed to do? And yes, I know that I did "improvements" after you undid my reversion, but I'm still not confident that was what the user was trying to say. It was that confusing to me. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::You can try talking. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Kinda hard to do that now that the user thinks I'm a racist. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::As far as I'm concerned, that's just an excuse to give up. ...Don't. (Also, that is not how I read their message.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

== Flavor Page ==

I'm relatively new to editing wikis, so I'm not sure if I ought to "...discuss this one first" {{ut|Tiddlywinks|here on your talk page}}, or on the Flavor article's [[Talk:Flavor|talk page]], but I figured I'd start here to give myself a better chance of being sure that you read this and don't accidentally miss it.

My main issue with the [[Flavor|Flavor page]] as it stands now is that the {{DL|Flavor|List_of_Apricorns_by_flavor|Apricorn section}} has the flavors listed in the "correct" order (that being Spicy, Sour, Dry, Bitter, and Sweet) while the page's intro, flavor preference table, Contest/Pokéathlon table, and the berry tables for gens III, IV, and e-Reader all have the flavors listed in the following order: Spicy (+Atk), Dry (+SpA), Sweet (+Spe), Bitter (+SpD), and Sour (+Def) [so not quite half-and-half, like I first thought - that's my bad].

This is, to me, pretty unintuitive, since stats are most always ordered HP (N/A here), Atk, Def, SpA, SpD, and Spe. I was actually looking at the flavor page for more info about {{cat|Berries_that_may_cause_confusion|confusion berries}} and ended up super confused (hah, didn't even mean for that silly little joke to happen) for a moment because of the ordering of the flavors (though that may just be indicative of ignorance on my part). Because 6/7 sections have the flavors ordered in the "weird" way, I'm beginning to think that there's probably a reason for it. If there is and I'm missing it, then please do let me know! However, even if that were to be the case, I, personally, still think that ordering the flavors to match with the traditional order of stats would be more beneficial overall. It makes things easier for dumb-dumbs like me, so that we don't have to go to {{DL|Nature|Stat-focused_table|an entirely different page}} in order to figure out what the heck is going on.

And, just on the off chance that you're considering it, there's no need to copy-paste that table onto the Flavor page - the current table is totally fine for its page (though I certainly wouldn't complain if I could reinstate my edited version of it!), since it's more focused on the flavors themselves, rather than the increase and decrease of stats that come along with most natures. At the very least, we ought to make all seven sections consistent, one way or the other.

Thanks!

<nowiki>~</nowiki>[[User:Mimikyuuuuuuu|Mimikyuuuuuuu]] ([[User talk:Mimikyuuuuuuu|talk]]) 05:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
:First things first, there is only one place on that page where any of those basic stats is mentioned at all ("Attack"). On the rest of the page, no one will be able to tell what stat each flavor corresponds to without a whole bunch of cross-referencing (or memorization). So the proposition that an "incorrect" order might be any particular problem is fairly dubious.
:FYI, it was also kind of a problem that you didn't change all of the tables. (I don't mean to say that it's okay for you to make the change if you do everything up "right".)
:My primary concern about the "proper" order was that I'd like to know what the games actually do. And {{pkmn|Contest}} categories are listed in the order Cool Beauty Cute Smart Tough, just as the second table currently on the page shows. IMO this is a fine order since Contests are pretty strongly linked with the flavors (at least stronger than anything else). There doesn't seem to be any real consistency in other things, like the stat order when viewing a [[Pokéblock]], the [[List of items by index number (Generation VII)|default order]] of the [[Apricorn]]s, the [[performance]] stat order...
:Given that general inconsistency, it may be reasonable to default to the order of basic stats. But personally, I don't think it's that huge a deal, either.
:(FYI, you can usually make comments on a mainspace talk page first. It's much easier for other people to contribute opinions there. And people will generally pay some attention...especially if they've explicitly suggested the talk page. But even if you don't seem to get a resonse, you can always make a short comment on the person's user talk page to direct their attention to the talk page you commented on.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

==Alola Dex in Ultras Sun and Moon==
Hey there. I need your help with something. Can you add this to the Pokémon Infobox so I can add the dex numbers on the Pokémon that appeared in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon?: a2dex And maybe add a category like this? Category:Pokémon in the Alola Pokédex in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. Kinda like how you did in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 15:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
:As we've told a number of people who have asked in other places, we are considering moving the 'dex numbers out of the infobox. As you can see on {{p|Zubat}}'s page, its infobox is already very well packed with the 'dex numbers. Trying to make a new format so we can add another could be very complex, especially with the more or less random nature of which 'dex numbers each Pokemon has. We think that putting that info somewhere else may be better. There still has not been a decision on the matter. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I'm planning to redo all the quotes for characters in core series games (I have nothing to do), while filling out any missing quotes. I just wanted to check a few things.
*Do references to other characters and items requires linking to the articles; the names for the characters or items aren't directly stated ([[Special:Diff/2771756|example]])?
*Do quotes in "scream" speech bubbles need to be bolded? ([[Special:Diff/2771753|example - first line in USUM section]]: "This is excellent! Exciting, even...")
*For battles, are "Before battling, Upon being defeated, After being defeated, If the player is defeated" the correct terms to use? (I think I previously discussed with you before, but another admin sometimes changed the "Upon being defeated" back to "Being defeated".)
Are do these doesn't really matter at all? (I doubt anybody pays attention to the quotes section) Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 09:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about linking indirect references. Right now...I suppose if it were me, I wouldn't remove them but I also don't know if I would be motivated to add them. (Very possibly, if I were specifically looking at something, I might realize that the links are a good idea; or possibly the opposite. Right now, though, I'm just not sure.)
:Personally I don't like bold for screaming. It's never come across like it was actually supposed to be screaming to me.
:I do prefer that set, with the exception that "if the player is defeated" is unnecessary since the first half already entirely implies that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Cute Charm ==

The sentence, "The set of possible values depends on the gender of the Pokémon with Cute Charm, and if the Pokémon with Cute Charm is female, the wild Pokémon's gender ratio." looked kind of weird and I thought it had a grammar error. It looked like it was trying to say something like "depends on the gender of the Pokemon, whether the Pokemon with Cute Charm is female, and the wild Pokemon's gender ratio." Can we possibly make it more clear and obvious that it isn't a grammar error? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:08, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
::Okay thanks. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

== The Ash's Charizard gender debate, and the reason I ceased participation on it ==

Force Fire said this when I contacted them(my notes added to show my thought process reading this):

"First of all, Dennou is not a former staff member, he is still a senior administrator"

My mistake.

"Secondly, you need to stop going around like you have some sort of authority"

I know that and neither want nor care for authority on this site, nor have I been actively attempting to inflect such....Passion for rules =/= projecting authority or seniority unless you are assuming bad faith/intent on my end...

"Thirdly, just because I've been very strict on anything gender related, doesn't mean I'm going to say "no" every single time"

I'd like an example of them saying yes on non-Force Fire-written and mandated gender policy-based evidence, but they're right in a way).

"There is actual legitimate evidence/source for Dennou's claim"

Tomioka is invoking Word of God like JK Rowling retconned a Jewish Student into Hogwarts despite wizards and witches having no prior evidence of organized religion besides the occasional "my God"...that's how
Word of God works, which this echoes IMO.

"Tomioka is an actual writer for the show, so he probably knows more and probably has control over how he wants characters to be portrayed"

Does he have authority over other anime staff? Is he the one who OKs final decisions? I don't know if this is true or if Force Fire is assuming this (And if so, based on what)?.

"Tracy West novelisations is not written by a writer from the (Japanese) show. There's a big difference"

Yeah, it was a bad, rather sarcastically-motivated example in hindsight)

...I feel bad for ever entering into it based on a big red warning label on the top of the talkpage...Am I supposed to feel ashamed for even trying to quote policy? Did it really come off as bossing people around in a Brainy Smurf-esque way via poor wording? Or did I catch Force Fire in a bad mood/at a bad time...can you sort this out my confusion/shame? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:ForceFire can answer best for ForceFire, as I rule I don't like to speak for others.
:I think keeping in mind the possibility that you might be wrong is a way not to sound too bossy. If there's one thing I hate, it's being wrong. So I try to ask myself what I'm overlooking; it can be a bitter pill, but I like the other option less. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:24, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::I'm not asking you to speak for ForceFire:I'm asking if I should feel ashamed for even discussing the matter if I'm not someone important enough. And just cause I report rulebreaks doesn't mean I think I'm a cop, judge, jury or executioner:At best I'm a tipster. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 12:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::You asked if Force Fire was in a bad mood. I do not know that. (And I'm not going to just ask and be a relay.)
:::I'm not certain where you get the idea that only "important" people can discuss any particular thing on the wiki or whatever.
:::But generally I would not say you should feel bad. That probably won't really ease anything, but it may help move past it. (Which isn't to say there shouldn't be anything that can be learned from the matter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
::::That was meant to be rhetorical. I'm sorry for that not being worded in such a way.
::::It does seem that some people, like Lady Ariel, Pumpkinking, Playerking and FinnishPokémonfan get a lot more "freebies" regarding importance and/or extra rulebreaks, so I tend to feel that they are given special treatment due to edit count despite their lack of staff status and/or serial troublemaking.
::::That's what I needed to hear. I will rejoin the discussion now that my head's clear. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 22:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::If you're comparing (contrasting, rather, I suppose) those users to yourself, no one on staff has gone to your user talk page about anything for, it looks like, very nearly a whole 3 years. You're not in any special trouble about anything. (...To the extent of my knowledge. Which is mainly just a paranoid disclaimer.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

== Smogon and fansite rulings ==

If Showdown(created, owned and maintained by Smogon) isn't a reliable source(Though I think it should be, but Verlisify fans/sympathizers run this site and Serebii, methinks), why is Smogon OK for some reason? They're one and the same, and they cross-reference each other. And have they given permission to use their info? Or is it a case of petty rivalry based on perceived betrayal(s) and flimsy accusations between webmasters that lead to digital Iron Curtains like with Serebii and PokéBeach(That needs to end...That was how many years ago? Talent gets moved around all the time...), and no permission is given/received between them and us? Or should I ask EB/Archaic(To see if he has an old, unnecessary grudge with Smogon's owner, as well)for a more concrete status of Smogon/Showdown? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 03:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Look. If you're gonna come to my talk page with your mind already set against us like this and just being antagonistic, I'm not gonna be inclined to give you any remotely substantive response.
:Have a good day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
::I apologize for that rant...I had just seen Avengers:Infinity War earlier this week, and it made me...emotional, to say the least. I would like to know why Smogon is a valid source but Showdown isn't, though. ::Again, sorry for that. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 01:44, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Source code about source code is a step beyond what we're comfortable with trusting. Put simply, Showdown's accuracy always has to be couched in a caveat. Only the game can truly be trusted to perfectly represent the game. Showdown has had to correct mistakes, and we can't necessarily say where remaining ones are or aren't. It's one thing to look at the ''game'' and say, see, because of this, this is how that works; it's another thing to look at Showdown and say, well, Showdown says this—and chances are ''pretty good'' it's right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Re: {{m|Air Cutter}} trivia ==

Sorry if my edit summary was unclear. What I meant was, since there are no Triple Battles in Generation VII (set in Alola), Flying-type attacks introduced in that generation can't hit non-adjacent Pokémon (since there are none). So this feature of the move is no longer unique. I'm surprised the trivium hasn't already been removed. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 21:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:If you're talking about a feature unique to Triple Battles, you can't say anything about moves that you can't use in Triple Battles. The inverse is that you can use every other move in Triple Battles to hit non-adjacent foes, and this is not a thing you can rate true/false for new moves because (again) you can't use them in Triple Battles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
::In that case, the trivium should specify "the only pre-Generation VII damaging Flying-type move" or something instead of "the only damaging Flying-type move"; right now it's misleading. Unless that makes it not notable... [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 22:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::It says "in Triple Battles", it's not rightly logical to consider moves you could never use in Triple Battles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Fine. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 22:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Ancient Trait Cards ==

Dear Tiddlywinks,

I was hoping you could answer some of my queries:

1. I have noticed that the Ancient Trait 'variety' of card renowned for its artwork style differences and ancient trait abilities (not included in other card types, though some cross over exists with some Mega Evolution cards also listed as Ancient Trait cards e.g. M Sceptile and M Rayquaza) is not listed as a TCG Pokémon card type, is there a reason for this?

2. Also should Kingdra's Primal Clash 108 and XY39 (which redirects to Primal Clash 108) cards be listed as separate cards in the Ancient Trait article due to artwork differences or not?

I look forward to hearing your response,

Thank you in advance.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
:I know very little about the TCG. You would do better to ask someone else. Possibly {{u|glik}}, or anyone who regularly contributes to TCG pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

:: Thank you for the advice.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:07, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== Deletions by user:GrammarFreak01 ==

Thank you for stepping in last time, though GrammarFreak01 has again deleted all of my work leaving a useless comment behind to justify the drastic action. I was concerned maybe what I had written was to detailed, though my additions were in regards to Cameran Palace's various rooms visited in M08. I may be wrong, but I believed at the time of writing that the information was appropriate for the page dedicated to the location. GrammarFreak01 has been advised against such actions and ways to better handle any personal concerns, including contacting the user at hand; none of which has occurred. I do not wish to enter an edit war, and would like my changes reinstated, even if modified, and actions taken against the user for overstepping the mark one too many times. I do not believe the actions are of a personal nature, and have witnessed them against other users. Hope to hear shortly [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

:I did not understand the point of describing every single room inside. And what other users are you talking about? You're making a pretty serious accusation there. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:48, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sorry for not responding sooner. I've been trying to think, and I also haven't heard much from others I've tried to ask.
::My thoughts are, I know that game locations can have pretty detailed descriptions. And the areas that were described do not seem to be accounted for any other way on the page. So it seems to me the additions might be worthwhile.
::I think the best idea may be to try to start a wider discussion about if that's needed. That may be able to inform a stronger conclusion a little while later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Hi Tiddlywinks, a bit of an update. I streamlined what I had previously put in, deeming it of value given that these rooms were visited in the movie and having looked at other location pages, such details appear to be of interest. Fantastic news, instead of deleting the new additions, user GrammarFreak01 swapped a few sentences around to give the page a better structure. I'm really happy with the result. I would still have preferred discussion with GrammarFreak01 before deleting all of the additions. I might draft a generalist checklist for any future location pages, unless we already have one of those?. Thanks for getting back to me [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:14, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
::::I'm not really into the anime so I don't really know much about specifics of their structure or anything. (Like I didn't know that any other anime locations went into similar details.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

== [[Shipping:List of anime shippings]] ==

So what's the inclusion criteria for that list? I notice that the content that I deleted obviously has their own articles, but other main character ships like [[PokéShipping]] and [[AmourShipping]] are not included despite having articles of their own. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:There are two options. Just include any anime shippings like the page title fundamentally implies. Or ask someone who might know what "line" there is (and then also describe that line at the top of the page; although I can't really imagine why there should be any such line). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:19, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
::I can't imagine doing the second option since it's actually been over a year since there were any edits done to that page before me, so obviously no one's really keeping track of it. I guess I'll go with the first option when I have the time. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:27, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

== Promotions ==

Am I allowed to congratulate you on your new administrator status? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
:Sure. (And thanks.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
::Congratulations on your new administrator status! [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== Alola League ==

Why do we not need the thing you removed? It could be helpful. {{unsigned|Elite4Alola}}
:It's already on [[Pokémon League (Alola)]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== About the Spaceworld demo... ==

I want to ask you a question. How can you prove the legitimacy of the ROM? I mean, it fits everything we know about the ROM, and it fits the Honoguma picture that surfaced in 2013, but at the same time it has some some things that sound fanservice-y (Misty as an Elite Four, Red as a Gym Leader...). I'm asking because I'm curious.. --[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 03:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:I don't know. It's not really my decision. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you for answering my question.--[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 21:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

== Individual Pokémon in Shuffle weekly cycle ==

May I know how do we plan to include where/when the Pokémon appears in the "Game location: In side games" section of each individual Pokémon for Pokémon Shuffle? I doubt we need to include the UX Stages since it's the same as the initial Main Stages. Here are a few suggestions for Special Stages:
::Daily, Special Daily, Safari etc. (With form differences):
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release) (Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16) (From February 13, 2018 onward)
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release){{tt|*|Prior to February 13, 2018}} Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16){{tt|*|From February 13, 2018 onward}}
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon (First release)|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; First release — Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Special Daily Pokémon}}'' (Winking; Week 4 & 16 — From February 13, 2018 onward)
::Daily, Special Daily, Safari etc. (Without form differences):
*Event: ''[[Special Stages#The Daily Pokémon (#6)|The Daily Pokémon (#6)]]'' (Prior to February 13, 2018)
*Event: ''[[Special Stages#Daily Pokémon|The Daily Pokémon (Week 7 & 19)]]'' (From February 13, 2018 onward)
::Great, Ultra, Special Challenges etc.
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Prior to February 13, 2018) Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Week 6) (From February 13, 2018 onward
Or simply just
*Event: ''{{DL|Special Stages|Great Challenge|Mimikyu Appears}}'' (Week 6)
Or do not add anything until how Pokémon Shuffle will display from now onward are fully decided? — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 10:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
:I hardly know anything about Shuffle off the top of my head, honestly. {{u|CycloneGU}} was into Shuffle, but they haven't been that active recently, though I think they've still kind of got an ear to Bulbapedia.
:If you want me to figure it out, I'd start real basic. Like, when you ask "how do we plan to include [...]", it sounds like there's no location info for Shuffle on at least some pages. From above, I can identify {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Mimikyu}}, who do seem to have location info, so I'm confused. Are you actually saying that the current info is inadequate? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. And yeah, haven't seen him around lately. Perhaps I can just leave this on his talk page until he sees it. Currently, the info already on each individual Pokémon pages are Special Stages (Event) that is prior to the update on February 13. Now, the Special Stages are pre-set for each week. I just wanted to ask if Bulbapedia wants to separate them from the two versions. But I guess I'll just leave a message at CycloneGU's talk page. Sorry for bothering. :) — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 12:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Template pages ==

Do templates usually get a move tag if they need to be tagged to be moved? This is because I have noticed that [[Template:Ash and Pikachu characters|two of]] [[Template:Pokémon Battrio characters|them]] had incorrect/incomplete page names and I wasn't sure if those types of tags go on templates aside from normal pages. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 04:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:Tagging templates can easily be done wrong, so it may be simpler to just bring it up with someone on {{bp|staff}}. (Besides, template names don't really affect a whole lot, people don't really see them, so they may not even be a huge problem, depending.)
:What "should" the linked templates be titled? (And what's wrong with the current title?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::The Ash and Pikachu one, it was missing an amphersand sign since the actual manga contained that instead of the original ''and'' and the Battrio manga adaptation one was the one that didn't contain the whole manga title in its name for the template. It was for consistency reasons since many of the other templates containing manga characters had the full titles, such as [[Template:Let's Play the Pokémon Card Game! Sun and Moon Arc characters|this one]]. Hope this helps. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Talk page comment arrangements ==

In regards to PardescanSlowbro's talk page, I was responding to his comment: ''"I must be dim. I thought you said major appearances equals appearances where the individual was central to the plot? Some of the deleted points may need to be reinstated based solely on this definition."'' How are they going to know which comment I'm referring to if I just post my comment (''"Yes, that is ''exactly'' what I said. There's nothing about the deleted points that would indicate they fall under "major appearances". Can you give any specific examples so I know what exactly you're talking about?"'') at the end of their talk page? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:How about...''don't'' just post ''"Yes, that is exactly what I said [...]"''. If two people are talking in a group and you want to respond to something one says but they keep talking, you're not just SOL when you get a chance to speak later. Nothing binds you to start without preamble like you would have if you could have responded immediately. It's really not ''that'' hard, just remind them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::What rules dictate this? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:06, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Dictate what? If you want to respond without preamble that's your choice, I guess, we don't have a rule about that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I meant the whole talk page arrangement in general. It befuddles me how this is possible here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::How...responding in order is "possible"? It should be the most basic common sense. Responding ''out'' of order only screws up the order of the people who posted ''before'' you and who you've now forced after ''you''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I would like to jump in here, Tiddlywinks. What GrammarFreak01 is asking is what decision or rule requires Bulbapedia talk pages to have all comments go in order of when they were posted when compared to other wikis where comments are more like branches and split off when multiple users comment on a single reply. Frankly, I am curious as well regarding the order since the discussion on PardescanSlowbro's talk page does not make much sense in the current order, but I believe that there must be a reason for doing it this way. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:"What rule?" More or less just as I and other staff have said: "Comments go in order". The reason is also as I said above: anything else really just screws with everything else. Other wikis are welcome to do what they want. Bulbapedia asks that comments go in order (effectively just like any natural conversation; the entire species has managed to do that fine for a very long time, people can manage here too). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::But is that in Bulbapedia's actual set of official rules and guidelines? Because if not, I don't see why I or anyone else has to be bound by that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::...I'm gonna go with, if staff tells you something and you decide to flout it, it won't turn out very happily for you, regardless of whether there is a strict rule... (At best, I will say that if you're that dubious about something, take it up the chain.)
:::Protip, though: if you're familiar enough with Bulbapedia (and, [[Template:Welcome|ideally]], it ''shouldn't'' really take much "familiarity"), you can answer your own question. And maybe learn a thing or two else in the process. ;) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I am under the belief that every single rule should at the very least be documented in an official list, that way people can be directed to it if they're confused so they know it's not just something that is simply preferred by certain higher-ups. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::...Your issue essentially comes down to "I don't trust staff to not be going on a power trip." So I'll tell you what. If you can't trust that someone on staff is telling you something that, for whatever reason, you really do have to follow, then take it up the chain. Maybe they know something written out to point you to, maybe not. But if for whatever reason you can't "trust" something, there are easy enough recourses. (Protip: if you don't want to do it in the open, you can even use PMs on the forums.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

{{indent}}New comments going at the bottom of a discussion ''is'' written in the talk page policy, [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Editing in sections|under editing in sections]]. As for why, because people are going to look for new comments at the bottom of the conversation, not in the middle.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:36, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
:Since it's been spoiled =P , I'll leave off with: I'd very earnestly appreciate if you'd take a read through the whole page. If this is one thing you've missed, there may well be other things you can learn. (...Not to mention, if you won't trust if someone just tells you something else down the line, it'd be better for you to just learn for yourself sooner rather than later.) In a similar vein, if you find yourself wondering about {{cat|Bulbapedia policies}}, try to remember that you can check that and other pages we have. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:38, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

== In-game trade ==

I agree about the revert on my change as it was not a future proof way to do it.

I've added a discussion on the page for that subject and hope it goes in the direction of your comment.

I'd appreciate to have your feedback whether you agree on the idea or not.

(I'm still not sure if there's PM so I post this here. Sorry if I goofed up)
[[User:Zanguu|Zanguu]] ([[User talk:Zanguu|talk]]) 16:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

== Re: No article on Aura used by Totem Pokemon/ Ultra Beasts ==

Hello, I tried to search for articles describing the usage of the aura used by [[Totem Pokémon]] and [[Ultra Beasts]]. There is no article covering this topic. Could I please have your permission on making this page?[[User:Elite4Alola|[[Elite4Alola]]]] ([[User talk:Elite4Alola|talk]]) 08:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:Mechanically, in the games, aura is pretty simple. Lore-wise, there's a bit more, but still, I don't know. The anime is the thing I really don't know. If you'd like to create a user page so we can see how much and what kind of content there might be, then we can make a better decision about whether it warrants its own page or what. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:I think I'll get back to you on this. I'll will go and do some research first[[User:Elite4Alola|[[Elite4Alola]]]] ([[User talk:Elite4Alola|talk]]) 01:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

== Changes to game location sections ==

Why should we have one format that's consistent for gift Pokemon, another that's consistent for wild Pokemon, and a whole bunch of locations that don't use any consistent format when we can have one format that's consistent for all locations? 
On Voltorb's page, why are you using the Frontier Brain template to link to the Power Plant? I don't think the Power Plant is a Frontier Brain. 
On Golbat's page, why is "Blackthorn City side" in parentheses but "interior" is not? 
[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:"Consistency" is not god. Putting big lines of text in parentheses just looks bad. The parentheticals are only meant to be short—that's what they've been for a long time, and trades and stuff have used their own format for a long time, and it's been just fine. The short parentheticals do what they need to just fine, they don't need to be twisted to take on more.
:If {{template|FB}} creates an appropriate link, I don't think it's a huge problem.
:"Interior" doesn't need parentheses. It's a simple label that reads very fine without them, the kind of compound you could easily find in normal English text. A compound description like "Blackthorn City side" does not work like that, though. I understand the discrepancy...I considered maybe just using "north" instead or something—but I didn't want to be more vague (and I guess if ''you've'' been trying to add "actual locations" and all, you wouldn't like that option either) so I figured it'd just have to be what worked. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::So...very short additional details (like "interior") aren't in parentheses, and very long details (like "received from Professor Sycamore in Lumiose City after defeating him") aren't in parentheses, either? I never thought putting lots of text in parentheses looked bad. Am I the only one who thinks that? Also doesn't using the <nowiki>{{FB</nowiki> template to link to the Power Plant count as a lazy template? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think those cases are in such a juxtaposable context as that suggests, but you've essentially stated those cases correctly.
:::You question whether you're the only one who doesn't have a problem with lots of text in parentheses. I don't know the answer really, but to turn it in a different direction, it may be fair to say that you may be the only one who has a problem with the outstanding format for the trades and such.
:::You're putting that last question like I should know about it or know how to react or whatever... Is there a specific definition for "lazy template", or......? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I guess you can say that about me. As for the "lazy templates", this is what I found on the List of Link Templates page:
::::"Although link templates are encouraged in day-to-day usage, it is asked that they are only used for the intended purpose. Any use otherwise may be considered a "laziness template". For example, consider writing <code><nowiki>[[Pokémon Trainer]]</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>{{g|Trainer}}</nowiki></code>. Usage of laziness templates will be reverted, and offenders will be warned."
::::[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::It seems FB may be one we specifically let slide. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Okay. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

== Event Pokemon ==

Hello again. My line on the page for [[Event Pokémon]] said that '''most''' Event Pokemon are mythical but not all. You removed it because not all event Pokemon are Mythical. I was aware of that and I even gave an example in my line and even then, about 85% of Event Pokemon are Mythical. So, why was it removed again? Just curious. Thanks '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 23:13, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:I didn't remove it because "not all" are Mythical. I removed it because not "most" are even Mythical. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
::But the big majority of them are. Something about Mythical Pokemon should be added. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 23:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think so. There are all sorts of distributions for regular old Pokemon. I would be quite surprised if Mythicals make close to the 85% you think. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::The only Pokemon that aren't Mythical are Lugia and Ho-Oh in Gen 3, the two Vivillon patterns, cap Pikachu and Dusk Lycanroc. That's 5 out of 22 (There's 17 Mythicals that are event only) so about 77% Event Pokemon are Mythical to be precise. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 09:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::That's very incorrect... For example: [[Eevee (Pokémon)#In events]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I was mainly talking about Event-Exclusive Pokemon, since they're the ones mentioned on the page. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 12:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, you've been using completely the wrong words...
:::::::Mythical Pokemon ''would'' be worth mentioning so long as it's in the appropriate place and using unambiguous language. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Ah. Apologies if I was using the wrong words. I'll add a bit about them. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 14:32, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

== Type page discussion ==

I already [[User talk:Glik/Archive July 2015-May 2018|discussed this]] with glik. Is there anything else you want to tell me? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:42, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:You practically neutered the sections you edited. I said it would be better to start a discussion. That way there's something everyone can easily see if they wonder in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::I already started at least 3 discussions. One here, one on glik's talk page, and one on Normal (type)'s talk page. What else do you want me to discuss? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, I didn't know there was anything on the talk page. I've given a response. I may have lost track of it before or something, I don't know. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Is my signature ok?[[User:Форс файре|'''Ф'''орс]][[User talk:Форс файре|'''Ф'''айре]] 18:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, it's good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Creating Japanese voice actor articles ==

Hey! After remembering [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive_1#Creating_pages your response] to my creation of the [[Ash's Pikachu (M20)]] article, I've decided to come to you about creating new pages. I'm thinking of creating a couple of pages or so on Japanese voice actors, starting with [[Haruka Tomatsu]]. Is that okay? Is there an article creation procedure that I need to follow? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:The requirements for VA pages are described at [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you for the heads-up! [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Cynthia being Verity's mother ==

I understand that there are conflicting sources about this whole matter, and that is why I think you should perhaps work to debunk the source I just mentioned first before we all move forward. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:Let me ask: let's just suppose that all we could ever have would be these two conflicting pieces of "evidence": what would you think would be best for Bulbapedia to do? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:52, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Discuss it and investigate which source holds more veracity? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:01, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::That seems like it's ultimately down to pretty much opinion... It can be very easy for people to be loud and determined in their positions. I don't think your solution is a strong solution. But for now I will take the simple route and give you a bit of reasoning in the vein of your desired approach.
:::The director's word is currently verifiable, whereas the other source is only secondhand information. Perhaps you have heard the maxim, "Trust but verify"? I cannot, personally, tell you anything reliable about the claim that Cynthia is Verity's mother, but I can answer anything you want to ask about the director's refutation of that theory. If information cannot be independently evaluated by anyone with the desire/ability (and therefore argued with nuance in its own right), then it's a decidedly imperfect source. Sometimes that's all we have. That's not the case here, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== Mallow Tsareena Sweet Scent ==

Hi. So in SM082 Mallow's Tsareena does something that some would describe as Sweet Scent, as it has a similar appearance and effect to how the move was used in its pre-evolved forms. PlayerKing95 has removed it because we don't have enough proof, despite the evidence pointing towards it. I, as well as another user, has reached out to him to discuss it. It has been about a week now and he has ignored multiple messages to resolve this issue, and it is making me think that he will continue to ignore messages because it means the page can't be changed. Could I get some help with this? Thank you for your time.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 18:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
:I saw you've asked ForceFire too and gotten a response. I wasn't immediately sure how it fits in our policy, and I still haven't checked the episode or anything, but since ForceFire has responded I'll leave it to him now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Type pages again ==

Is there anything you still want to talk about? Can I start editing all the types now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
:Thank you for asking. And I'm very sorry I haven't devoted time to it (once again) for so long.
:Anyway, I've responded to the last comment and I think you can make edits if you try to follow the examples on [[Talk:Normal (type)]], unless you yourself have other pressing questions. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Stat averages of types ==

How did you calculate the stat averages of each type? You said poison had the lowest average speed, but the Bulbapedia articles say a few other types (such as rock) have even lower speed. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
:I used the averages from each type page. Apparently I made a surprising typo with Poison's speed; I typed 30 instead of 80 (I couldn't say how, 3 and 8 aren't close, possibly I just misread it or something). Rock is right. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

== questions about hidden items in games ==

if an item is like inside a rock would i describe it as 'in the rock' or 'on the rock'? Also if you get an item from an npc should i use 'obtain' or 'receive'? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:It's not like you pick up the rock or break it or anything special. The only thing that makes sense is "on". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::ok 'on' it is. also u didnt answer my second question if someone gives u an item do we use 'receive' or 'obtain'? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Usually it's not necessary at all. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::u mean neither is necessary? so in the [[Pallet Town]] items section where all the items begin with "obtained from.." i should delete the "obtained" and just leave it "from x"? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::There are some cases, like if it's a ''reward'', where I might feel like specifying that, but even more specific things like probably aren't necessary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:39, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== repeated links in item lists ==

are they bad or good? - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
:IMO it's usually a little better than making someone look for the first link in the box when they're reading a specific line. And it's how I always saw them so IMO it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::But shouldn't we still avoid deliberately adding new ones? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::I personally am very likely to link every line myself. There have definitely been pages where I had a problem like, "Ugh, Beauty's not linked, alright which random item referenced some Beauty or other in this whole list..." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Well, I guess we both have different viewpoints on this subject, and I can definitely understand your viewpoint. I just personally don't prefer the same link popping up again and again. Let's just leave the whole thing be. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::allrightey finnish u heard what the man said i will be linking every single damn link i see in every single item list i can find. :) - [[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::I hope you also noticed my reply. Please don't go overboard. And '''please''', start using big capital letters! It's bothering me! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:54, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::FYI I think there can be a few links that would be kind of useless. Like, say, caught Pokemon, that would probably be pointless to link repeatedly. Useful links are key, unnecessary ones just get in the way. If I had to try to classify it, that might mean mainly tangible things. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

== X-type vs. X type ==

I was under the impression that the word "Pokémon" or "move" or whatever had to actually ''be'' there in order for it to be "X-type" instead of "X type". I even said so to {{user|GrammarFreak01}} when they asked me about it on my talk page. Just watch the {{series|Sun & Moon}} Pokédex entries. They seem to be agreeing with me, since in them, it's always "<Pokémon>, the <category name> Pokémon. A(n) X type". The subtitles have confirmed that it's "X type", not "X-type". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:37, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:It seems even the games have some rare examples of this, like [[Acerola]], ''"And your Rotom is a Ghost type, too!"''. I think this is poorly thought out and fundamentally wrong, but I will leave it there and I won't argue with it beyond that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. So I take that I can undo your undoings on the memory articles? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:50, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Move policy ==

While I understand what you are trying to accomplish with this new rule, I honestly see the forbiddence of using one's own head while determining unnamed moves as absurd. 
First off: you removed {{m|Psycho Cut}} and {{m|Air Slash}}, when they '''fit''' one of the categories you named. Psycho Cut has been used in the Sun & Moon series before, with identical animation, and so has Air Slash, even to the point where it was used in the '''very same episode''', in case the comparison couldn't be easier! 
Second: why is the use of common sense apparently forbidden in this issue? Like, what else could Necrozma's laser-like move '''be''' than its own signature move {{m|Prismatic Laser}}? Why can't [[Mallow's Tsareena]]'s {{m|Sweet Scent}} be confirmed as such, when we've seen it being used in an '''identical way''' by its two pre-evolutions? 
Third: we rely '''way''' too much on subtitles when it comes to identifying unnamed moves. I'm telling you, some of these "confirmations" should be taken with a '''serious''' grain of salt. For example, why does Litten/Torracat know so many different slashing/scratching moves? Shouldn't we just go with the move that's actually named out loud? In some cases, these "confirmations" haven't even come in episodes where the move is used for the first time, like [[Nebby]]'s crying being suddenly classified as "{{m|Supersonic}}", which should be an even further indication that the subtitles aren't as reliable as some want to believe. And what about the cases when the subtitles fail to recognize something what is undoubtedly a move '''as''' a specific move? What then? What about [[Lusamine]]'s {{p|Salazzle}}'s attack from [[SM053]], which could easily be {{m|Sludge Wave}}? Why wasn't [[Kiawe's Marowak]]'s {{m|Bonemerang}} named in its debut episode, despite clearly being used in it (further evidence for the unreliability of subtitles), with the subtitlers rather labeling {{m|Headbutt}} as a move, although it has never been commanded to to be used out loud (thus indicating that it was just a generic headbutt and not a move), while all of Marowak's other moves have, which, based on the fact that anime has been sticking to the "only four moves at a time" policy from the games for a good while already, as evidenced by, say [[Ash's Pikachu]]? So, in short, I consider that subtitles '''can''' be used as '''help''' while identifying unnamed moves, but they shouldn't be trusted blindly. And if something that resembles a move is used without it being named by the dialogue '''or''' the subtitles, it should '''seriously''' be discussed and determined. 
I honestly feel that Bulbapedia is actively hurting itself removing all this information. Please. Try to understand my points. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:I totally agree with [[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] statement, especially in the upcoming episode of Poipole World that is going even more '''serious''' discussion and debate, wheather that location is [[Ultra Megalopolis]] or another unknown location that only appears in the anime-exclusive. So many questions to answers. It just really don't know, where it going to end. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 06:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::FinnishPokéFan92: you say that Psycho Cut and Air Slash fit a category I named. In my last message on your talk page I left two bullet points on your page in a "simple" criteria for the policy; can you please quote the one that you say fits?
::I'm going to put off touching the rest until that is answered. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

== Questions about files ==

How do I change files on Bulbapedia? Am I allowed to change this file if it looks different in my copy of Emerald? [[File:Hoenn Route 132 RSE.png|80px]] [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
:That's an RSE map. If it's different in Emerald, it may still be accurate for R/S, so it may not be right to upload over it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::What's the answer to my first question? How do I know if it's accurate for RS, and what do I do after I find out? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
:::How is it different in Emerald? Is it possible for you to upload an image to show what is different?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::::How do I change files on Bulbapedia? Do you want me to upload it directly to Bulbapedia or upload it to Imgur and link to it here? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Bulbapedia files are on the Archives. If you're not certain about something, using a simple image hoster temporarily is probably best. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::[https://i.imgur.com/VPstLqb.png the image] So far, the only difference I've noticed is the arrangement of the current tiles leading from the east end to Fisherman Ronald. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for being late, I got busy a bit and forgot.
:::::::Is that your own image? I think Emerald ''is'' different, but I do not think that is an accurate image from Emerald. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::How do I make sure that image is accurate? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Are you asking how to check it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well...I mean, does that mean you didn't take the image yourself? (If you did it should be "accurate".) If not, you can only compare the currents very closely. It may help to blow up your image so you can see the detail better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::I didn't take it myself. I don't know if it's accurate; I only know that it's ''more accurate'' than the current (yes pun intended) one on Bulbapedia. How can I take a screenshot myself? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::There's one small area that's different between the images, and that difference isn't accurate to either game as I know them, so I'm not sure it's more accurate. But anyway...
:::::::::::::Emulators usually have ways to take screenshots I think, but if that's not what you're using, you usually need a capture card. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Can I do anything if I have neither an emulator nor a capture card? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't think so? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== item split proposal ==

in this items section: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hoenn_Route_104#Items the hidden items for gen 3 and gen 6 are put together because theyre the same items, but i want to propose that its better to split them up. for gen 6 the description would remain the same but for gen 3 i would put a more specific description like "three squares east of fisherman" or something so it would be easier to find them. what do you think? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:FWIW it is possible to be equally specific for Gen VI. But...I was of the same mind before. It was decided that it's better to just be generic and keep to one entry if possible. (I have a secret desire to some day just make versions of the game maps with all items explicitly labeled including marking hidden items.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::curious how u would be specific for gen 6 since u might hold the direction key a bit too long or short and be off by a bit from the location. also okay i will just leave the items generic the way they are --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:56, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::The descriptors shouldn't be overly specific (like three squares to the left). "Holding the direction key for too long" is not the fault of the description, that's on the player.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::u mean they shouldnt be overly specific for non hidden items right? For hidden items I feel like they should be.. cuz thats what ive been doing for all my hidden item edits so far lol --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:53, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::If you can hold the key too long in ORAS/XY, you can do the same in any previous games. Gen VII is the only time where you've had NO discrete steps.
:::::I don't care if directions for hidden items are specific where they're the same in any games they appear in. If they would be different (and therefore require different entries or other complications), they should just be generic. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::i understand that a description for a hidden item should be generic if the item appears in multiple games to avoid different entries. i wanna know how you would make a specific description in oras/xy. would you just say like "three steps east of fisherman"? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 13:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::What do you mean how? If the item is located 3 steps east of a fisherman, then "three steps east of fisherman" would be accurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::hmm i dont know, i just feel like pre gen 6 its very clearly defined what a step is cuz you would just press a direction key once and you would always be on a certain square. in gen 6 i can tap the direction key gently and i go a tiny distance or i may accidentally hold it for a millisecond longer and go a further distance. my point is that i dont really agree about your point of "if you hold it too long in gen 6, you can in the previous games" --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I think you must be confusing Gen VI and VII. I would suggest getting out XY/ORAS and trying to move a step. It is not hard. The movement grid was not removed until Gen VII (though they did let you "break" it in XYORAS). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::EternalDragon, "pressing the directional button for too long" is not our problem. It's not the fault of the wiki. That's the fault of the player. We cannot control how "long" a player presses a button. It's simply not an issue.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

==Anime moves SM088==
Hey, I wanted to ask about a couple of moves and whether you think they can identified and be added to their respective articles.
* Flash Cannon (used by Solgaleo)
* Moonblast (used by Lunala)
* Air Slash (used by Lunala)
* Prismatic Laser (used by Necrozma)
I think the former two can be identified, because of unique animation. They both look identical to how they have always appeared in the past; Flash Cannon is a silver beam of energy and Moonblast is a pink orb of energy while the moon is shown in the background. Additionally, Flash Cannon and Moonblast have already been used in the Sun & Moon series (by Sophocles's Metang and Lusamine's Clefable). Solgaleo and Lunala's attacks matched the appearance of their respective moves.

Air Slash has been used by Gladion's Silvally. Lunala's attack looked identical to this one.

While Prismatic Laser has not appeared yet in the anime, it looks like the move's appearance in the games. I decided to include this one, because of the recent discussion on Sunsteel Strike, which you approved because it matched its game animation.

So, what do you think? [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 16:24, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:Relatively simple energy beams are always iffy to me. But you do say Flash Cannon's been seen before; would you be able to tell me what episodes and an episode where it's explicitly identified/called?
:I like the moon element for Moonblast, that seems like a solid differentiator. Would you also be able to tell me somewhere it's been explicitly ID'd just so there's one more bit of evidence?
:Air Slash, I'm really not sure. If it's not unique enough to be added to the whitelist in its own right, then I worry about how any change would play out considering what happened with {{m|Psycho Cut}} for [[SM053]] previously. I and/or we (meaning everyone who usually adds moves and gave it a pass) need to figure out why that sort of error was made and how to avoid anything similar if the rules will change.
:Sunsteel Strike (FWIW) wasn't approved just because it matched its animation, but because that animation was also quite distinct from any other move.
:Anyway, I'll take a good look at the moves and see what I think, and see if the rest of staff has any input. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
::Flash Cannon was used and called in SM086 (near the end of the episode against Team Rocket) and in SM088 (around the 9-minute mark against Necrozma). Moonblast was used in SM053, also near the end of the episode. This one was identified by the dub's closed captions. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 14:55, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Silvally was ordered to use Air Slash in the same episode where Lunala used it. The animation and colors are identical, so I'd consider it confirmed. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier articles ==

May I know why you deleted the articles on the Battle Frontier facilities which were created by {{u|TehPerson}}? The reason you provided on your edit summary makes zero amount of sense considering way back in '''2013''' {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} approved the split. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 14:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:Immediately apparent here is a really big assumption on your part.
:Namely: that I know what you are referring to when you say SM approved it in 2013.
:Perhaps you could help by pointing to where that was? (In the future as well, if you can, essentially, "source" your comments with links or something, that can help a lot if someone else doesn't know what you're referring to (which is probably not a good assumption to make usually).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::Is it so hard to go to the talk page and search for a comment SM left in 2013? Apparently so. [[Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation III)#Splitting suggestion|Here you have it]]. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 14:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to reward that attitude by doing work for you... Either I can spend who-knows-how-long to look for something you know and I don't every time you do anything like this, or I can try to prompt you to remember to provide these answers yourself sooner rather than later. It shouldn't be a horrible courtesy I'm asking. If you wish to respond to my request, I will be happy to respond further, otherwise, you'll have to be satisfied with what you can make from this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::What are you even talking about now? I responded to your request and provided a link. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I realized that just posting. I apologize, I seem to have missed the link at the end of your message. I think when I saw that my mind thought it was a signature. (Again...the abrasive attitude didn't help anything either, though.)
:::::So, it shouldn't really be hard to imagine, but I did not read that part of the talk page when I checked to see if the split that TehPerson had performed was approved. (I don't really understand why you might think I would have seen it and ignored it, certainly without explicitly acknowledging it.)
:::::For what it's worth, the Generation IV pages do not seem to have been approved. Also, SnorlaxMonster's message said "'''we''' can make progress", which does not necessarily mean "proceed entirely at your own discretion". Beyond which, 5 years is a long time. If TehPerson knew about that message, it still would have been very reasonable to ask someone on {{bp|staff}} directly (perhaps even SnorlaxMonster himself) just to check, even referencing SnorlaxMonster's old comment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:17, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::So you're essentially saying that you, by clicking on a button, undid all the hard work TehPerson put on creating those pages because you failed to read the talk page? Is that correct?
::::::What SM really said in that comment is that the split hadn't been performed yet because '''we''' didn't have all the necessary pages ready. '''We''' made progress when TehPerson went and created those pages.
::::::Anyway, are you going to undo your own edits now? At least the Generation III pages have been approved. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I read the talk page. Sorry if I'm not perfect. That's why all you beautiful people are here to help. (Though I'd appreciate it a bit more if it was rendered with less hostility. =P )
:::::::I'm not going to undo anything right now. There's no great rush.
:::::::I'm just going to wait until I know for sure what our decision is rather than presume. Patience. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== Professor Willow special research ==
Hi, I followed the pre-existing format for "A Mythical Discovery" which was omitting the very last sentence of each phase and used bullet points for items. Should you want to reintroduce correct phrasing, you may find video reference for the following researches:
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEjrqrBi1iM GO Fest 2018]
*[https://youtu.be/_WsWgCIaixk Yokosuka]
Also you removed "Special Research" from "A Mythical Discovery" and "A Ripple in Time" but not from "Go FEST 2018" and "Pokémon GO Safari Zone in YOKOSUKA", was this intended? [[User:JaxomNC|JaxomNC]] ([[User talk:JaxomNC|talk]]) 03:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:There is no format to "follow" for quotes except to represent as precisely as possible what a character's dialogue actually shows. We don't want to invent anything where there is no need, we want to document the game faithfully. (And Willow's dialogue for the Mythical Discovery steps did not have any "last sentence" with all the tasks, it did actually list the tasks on their own lines (with no bullet points).)
:Thanks for the links. Like I said, I deferred any substantial edits to the two variants until I had seen them myself (because, as I said, they should reflect as precisely as possible what the game shows). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

== Notability ==

Hello! I saw that you undid a revision I made on [[Trainers' School (Alola)]] due to notability. I'm still new here and figuring out the conventions, and I couldn't find a solid answer on the [[Bulbapedia:Notability requirements]] page. What typically makes something not notable? Was there anything specific about that change that I should avoid doing in the future? Thank you! [[User:Butterfreeism|'''–Butterfreeism''']] 01:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:I was mostly using notable as a common word rather than in the specific sense on the page you linked. It's just kind of pointless to note that [whatever] is only found in "this" area. Either the person is already there and will find the Pokemon if they want to, or they're not (or they may leave and forget) and if they want to find that Pokemon there's a very convenient species page where they will be well able to find a location where they can look for it, regardless of whether there's one place or more. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::Understood! Thanks for the insight! :) [[User:Butterfreeism|'''–Butterfreeism''']] 06:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

== Oluolu ==

The [[SM091|newest episode of the anime]] confirms that exclusive Z-Moves need specific moves as their basis in the anime too. Should this count as a sign that [[Oluolu]]'s {{p|Snorlax}} knows {{m|Giga Impact}} to perform {{m|Pulverizing Pancake}}, despite it never having been seen using Giga Impact? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:I'll see if the rest of staff have any qualms about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'll be waiting.
::Oh, and I also remembered: doesn't this also mean that [[Nebby]] learned {{m|Sunsteel Strike}} immediately after evolving in [[SM052]], given how it was able to perform {{m|Searing Sunraze Smash}} in the same episode? And, by extension, shouldn't that be proof that the move Nebby used in [[SM053]] wasn't just "a glowing headbutt"? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::No... Even supposing Nebby knew Sunsteel Strike, there's no reason to assume that's what it was doing. There are very unique parts of Sunsteel Strike that were not at all seen there; that's a huge leap of logic. Frankly, there's no reason to assume Nebby was using any move, as opposed to just building up power and smashing through the rock. Not everything HAS to be a move. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Your scepticism is way too over the top... --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::I don't exactly want to "shout", but I'm honestly a little astounded if you don't understand this huge point... '''"There are very unique parts of Sunsteel Strike that were not at all seen"'''. That's not overly skeptical, that's ''only'' reasonable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I'm sorry (like, not sarcastic or anything), in the midst of my reaction above, I did forget to mention... Yes, it's okay to say that a Pokemon knows the base move if it uses an exclusive Z-Move. (It doesn't count as a use of the base move in and of itself, though. For that it'd have to be identifiable by the same criteria as any anime move.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

== Undoing edits ==

Regarding the edit you [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Generations&diff=2858945&oldid=2858907 undid] on the [[Pokémon Generations]] page.

Why?

Maybe Bulbapedia doesn't make it a priority to use dashes the way style guides recommend, and maybe we're not going to make a [[wp:MOS:DASH|policy]] to "enforce" proper usage. But what reason is there to enforce it in the opposite direction? Where's the Bulbapedia policy on that? Just because an edit didn't need to be done, doesn't mean it needs to be ''un''done.

I don't know if Bulbapedia has an explicitly-stated equivalent policy, but Wikipedia has certain guidelines with regards to undoing people's edits. Per [[wp:WP:REVERT#Before reverting|WP:REVERT]]:

''"Consider carefully before reverting, as it rejects the contributions of another editor. […] In the edit summary or on the talk page, succinctly explain why the change you are reverting was a bad idea or why reverting it is a better idea."''

"We don't normally bother with that" isn't good enough. Why is undoing it better than leaving it alone? How is the article improved by your reversion? — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 18:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:I guess I'm just responding to your logic. You said/are saying that endash is the "right" thing to use, meaning it should always be used. I don't think there's actually a passive/lazy middle ground like you're suggesting.
:And IMO it's really not worth making anyone type out "ndash" or copy the right symbol. Not when I'm sure most people wouldn't even notice any difference just reading either version, or have ''any'' idea that it's a "thing" (meaning there'd just have to be other people watching out for it all the time—again, not worth it). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
::What you're saying is, in your opinion, it wasn't worth it to make the edit. That was already established. That doesn't explain why it's worth it to undo. [[wp:WP:DONTREVERT|Don't revert edits just because they're not a significant improvement.]] — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 04:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::We are not Wikipedia. We have our rules, and they have there's. The point TiddlyWinks is trying to make is that you didn't have to make the edit in the first place. It was unnecessary, that's why it was reverted.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I would add, it's "worth" undoing because a mix of styles is not "good" either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::You guys aren't very good at clicking links, are you?
:::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary#Bad_reasons_to_revert
:::::''"Do not revert an edit because that edit is unnecessary"''
:::::I don't know how it could possibly be any clearer. Just because an editor isn't following ''your'' agenda, doesn't mean it's your responsibility to stamp them out. This is a wiki. It's collaborative.
:::::And as far as the "mix of styles" argument, there are two reasons why that's nonsense. First, because "most people wouldn't even notice any difference just reading either version," as ''you'' said. No reader would ever see that dash and think, "That needs to be changed to a hyphen," yet you made that change anyway. And second, why should we be complacent about this punctuation issue but not others? Even if "most people" don't know or care about the difference between ''its'' and ''it's'', we still want our articles to look like they're written by people who do, which is why we don't reintroduce errors after people fix them. — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 14:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::News flash: we are not beholden to Wikipedia. (Which ForceFire already pointed out.)
:::::For the rest: refer again to my original explanation of why it's ''not worth'' it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

== Not-up-to-standards Messages- SM075 - SM088 ==

Hi Tiddlywinks,

I am messaging you in regards to the not up to standards messages on the sm075 through to sm088 episode plot pages. They were placed on the respective pages by GrammarFreak01 several weeks ago, and have yet to be rectified. I had earlier attempted to edit the sm075 plot, but the not up to standards message was reinstated by GrammarFreak01. I don't feel the current alerts are necessary to begin with as most of the pages were edited in response to FinnishPokeFan92's concerns, but I want the best result. As the user suggested, and because he is busy, could you or ForceFire look over those pages and make the necessary changes to delete the alerts? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

:Let me clarify that the tags are up there because there are some leftover errors that were most likely missed during the cleanup process. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive as Trivia ==

I've seen that you deleted my added trivia fact on the Pokémon Blue Japanese version page. I do agree that this fact may not be trivia-worthy, however on the Pokémon Yellow page, there is an exact same trivia fact on Farfetch'd. Perhaps it would benefit consistency to delete the trivia-fact from that page too then?

I think the 'uniqueness' in this regard is that Jynx cannot be caught in the wild in ANY International version of the games and Farfetch'd cannot be caught in ANY Japanese version. Not sure whether later games have this kind of trade-only Pokémon across all core games within one generation. Obviously it's all not that important, but the wiki is at a state right now where only small improvements are necessary, so we got the time to nitpick.

Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)

2018-10-18T22:54:03Z

Malzagath: /* Trivia */ Added a trivia fact similar to one stated at the Pokémon Yellow page, this time concerning Jynx instead of Farfetch'd

{{Infobox game | colorscheme=blue|bordercolorscheme=blue
|name=Pokémon Blue Version
|jname=ポケットモンスター　青
|boxart=Blue JP boxart.png
|caption=Box art of Pokémon Blue Version, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Blastoise}}.
|platform=[[Game Boy]] (enhanced for the [[Super Game Boy]] and [[Super Game Boy 2]])
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]] (Game Boy) 3DS Wireless (3DS VC)
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation I]] [[core series]]
|cero=A (3DS VC)
|gsrr=6+ (3DS VC)
|release_date_ja=October 15, 1996 (Game Boy, {{wp|CoroCoro Comic}})<ref name="TPC" /><ref name="NoJ" /> October 10, 1999 (Game Boy, {{wp|retail}})<ref name="TPC" /><ref name="NoJ" /> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_na='''As Red and Blue:''' September 30, 1998 (Game Boy) February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_au='''As Red and Blue:''' November 1, 1998 (Game Boy) February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_eu='''As Red and Blue:''' October 8, 1999 (Game Boy) February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_hk=February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_tw=February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|website_ja=[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-blue/ The Pokémon Company] (Game Boy) [https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/VCAMAP/ The Pokémon Company] (Virtual Console) [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apej/ Nintendo] (Game Boy) [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/titles/50010000038656 Nintendo] (Virtual Console)
}}

'''Pokémon Blue Version''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　青}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Blue'') is the third [[core series]] [[Pokémon games|Pokémon game]] for [[Game Boy]], released in Japan on October 15, 1996 exclusively to subscribers of {{wp|CoroCoro Comic}}<ref name="TPC">[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-blue/ ポケットモンスター青 | ポケットモンスターオフィシャルサイト]</ref><ref name="NoJ">[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apej/ ポケットモンスター青]</ref> and on October 10, 1999 to general {{wp|retail}}<ref name="TPC" /><ref name="NoJ" /> as a minor revision of [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]], which were released earlier that year. It was thus the first [[core series|solitary version]] in the core series Pokémon games.

On November 12, 2015, a [[Nintendo Direct]] announced that Blue will be released in Japan on February 27, 2016, the [[Pokémon 20th Anniversary]], for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]].

Various fixes in the game include a graphics and sound upgrade, as well as the removal of several known glitches that had been found in the original pair.

Outside of Japan, its graphics, game engine, and script formed the basis of {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, while the [[wild Pokémon]] and [[game-exclusive Pokémon]] lists were changed to match Red and Green.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
Much as would become standard for solitary versions, {{player}}s follow the plot of the previous two games. Like in Red and Green, the player starts in [[Pallet Town]] in the [[Kanto|Kanto region]], receiving a [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Professor Oak]]. As before, the choices are {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}}, and the {{ga|Blue|rival}} chooses the starter that is super-effective against the player's starter.

Once more, the eight [[Gym Leaders]] of Kanto are [[Brock]], [[Misty]], [[Lt. Surge]], [[Erika]], [[Koga]], [[Sabrina]], [[Blaine]], and [[Giovanni]], while the [[Elite Four]] are [[Lorelei]], [[Bruno]], [[Agatha]], and [[Lance]], with {{ga|Blue|the rival}} still in the {{pkmn|Champion}}'s place.

Again, the evil [[Team Rocket]] is causing chaos across the region, and it is up to the player to defeat them.

==Changes from Red and Green==
* [[Kanto]] is aesthetically redesigned, with the design of doors, signposts and other tilesets redesigned. [[Cerulean Cave]], the game's final dungeon, receives the most significant overhaul, sporting a completely different layout. These designs would later be reused for the international {{game|Red and Blue|s}}. [[Indigo Plateau]] remains unaltered.
* All Pokémon have new front sprites but retain the same back sprites from Red and Green. Trainers and the [[Ghost (literal)|literal Ghost]] have the same sprites from Red and Green. The sprites from Blue would later be used in the international Pokémon Red and Blue.
* Pokémon have new [[Pokédex]] entries.
* [[In-game trade]]s are changed to different Pokémon.
* [[Rocket Game Corner|Game Corner]] prizes and slot machine icons are different.
* The introduction of the game features a battle between a {{p|Gengar}} and a {{p|Jigglypuff}}, as opposed to a Gengar and a {{p|Nidorino}}, as it was in {{game|Red and Green|s}}. This change carried on into the localized version of Pokémon Blue, while the original appeared in the localized Pokémon Red.
* The places where some Pokémon are obtainable was changed:
** {{p|Jynx}} and {{p|Lickitung}}, only available through in-game trades in Red and Green, are now found in the wild.
** {{p|Kangaskhan}} and {{p|Tauros}} are now only available through in-game trades.
** {{p|Raticate}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, and {{p|Rapidash}} are now found in [[Cerulean Cave]].
** {{p|Ditto}} is now found in [[Rock Tunnel]].
** {{p|Psyduck}} and {{p|Golduck}} do not appear on land inside the [[Seafoam Islands]], but Psyduck can still be encountered by fishing at various locations.
* A small number of glitches were fixed:
** A glitch that allows the player to surf from the top of a cliff was removed.
** A glitch where the game mistakenly believes the player has beaten [[Sabrina]] (when they actually lost to her) was removed.
* [[MissingNo.]] was given the placeholder Pokédex entry コメントさくせいちゅう ''Comment to be written.'' and became the ??? species. This was not translated, resulting in a glitched Pokédex entry in the localized {{game|Red and Blue|s}} and the corruption of MissingNo.'s original height and weight (1.0 m (3.3 ft) and 10.0 kg (22.1 lb), respectively), showing instead a height of 10.0 ft (3.1 m) and a weight of 3507.2 lb (1590.8 kg).<ref>[http://iimarck.us/i/missing-number/ Missing Number]</ref>

{{youtubevid|azoyziIrwIc|ChickasaurusGL|blue}}

==Features==
===Gyms===
Similar to Red and Green, there are eight Pokémon Gyms in Kanto, each with their own type affiliation. The Gym Leaders are [[Brock]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Misty]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Lt. Surge]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Erika]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Koga]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Sabrina]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Blaine]] ({{t|Fire}}), and [[Giovanni]] ({{t|Ground}}).

===Elite Four===
The Elite Four at [[Indigo Plateau]] also remains unchanged, with [[Lorelei]] ({{t|Ice}}), [[Bruno]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Agatha]] ({{t|Ghost}}), and [[Lance]] ({{t|Dragon}}). The {{pkmn|Champion}} is {{ga|Blue}}, who has no type specialization.

===Pokémon===
Blue did not introduce any new Pokémon, and so the 151 present in Red and Green are the only ones obtainable. Like Red and Green, some Pokémon are missing from Blue and must be traded from another game to complete the Pokédex or evolved from less powerful forms.

==[[Game-exclusive Pokémon|Missing Pokémon]]==
The following Pokémon are not obtainable in Pokémon Blue. In order to obtain any of the below Pokémon, they must be traded from one of the paired versions of [[Generation I]], or from [[Generation II]]. The table below indicates which paired Generation I game has that Pokémon available.
{| style="margin:auto"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{blue color}}; border:5px solid #{{blue color light}}"
|-
! {{color|FFF|Blue}}
|-
|
{| border="1" style="background:white; border:1px solid #{{blue color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentry|023|Ekans|1|Poison||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{red color}}|'''R'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|024|Arbok|1|Poison||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{red color}}|'''R'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{green color}}|'''G'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|038|Ninetales|1|Fire||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{green color}}|'''G'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|056|Mankey|1|Fighting||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{red color}}|'''R'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|057|Primeape|1|Fighting||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{red color}}|'''R'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison|[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{green color}}|'''G'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison|[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{green color}}|'''G'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison|[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{green color}}|'''G'''}}]][[Pokémon Yellow Version|{{color|{{yellow color}}|'''Y'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{red color}}|'''R'''}}]]}}
{{Moveentry|126|Magmar|1|Fire||[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|{{color|{{green color}}|'''G'''}}]]}}
|}
|}
|}

==Connectivity==
Players may [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges or battle with another cartridge using a [[Game Boy]] [[Game Link Cable]]. To take full advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to other Generation I games and others require trading to evolve, making trading necessary to complete the [[Pokédex]]. The game can trade and battle with Japanese versions of [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Pokémon Red, Green]], Blue and {{game|Yellow}}. It can also trade with Japanese versions of {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} via the [[Time Capsule]]. Pokémon Blue is completely incompatible with games from [[Generation III]] onward.

Trades between Pokémon games in different languages are possible; however, a Japanese game cannot connect with a non-Japanese game without causing corruption. This is due to the fact that the games cannot automatically translate the Pokémon data from Japanese to a different language or vice versa, since neither game fully [[Character encoding in Generation I|encodes]] both {{wp|kana}} and the {{wp|Latin alphabet}} (only encoding one fully and the other partially). If a battle between a Japanese game and a non-Japanese game is attempted, the battle simply does not work, with the save files left unharmed.

Pokémon Blue is compatible with {{jap|Pokémon Stadium}}, {{eng|Pokémon Stadium|Pokémon Stadium 2}} (released as Pokémon Stadium in English), and [[Pokémon Stadium 2|Pokémon Stadium Gold and Silver]] (released as Pokémon Stadium 2 in English). While link battles are not possible directly between Pokémon Blue and the Generation II games, a player may challenge a Generation II game using [[Pokémon Stadium 2|Pokémon Stadium Gold and Silver]].

===Virtual Console===
The [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]] release uses 3DS wireless communication as a substitute for the Game Link Cable. Japanese and non-Japanese Generation I core series games do not recognize each other when attempting to link them via 3DS wireless communication.

Using [[Poké Transporter]], the entirety of Box 1 can be sent from the Generation I core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]] (regardless of language), from where they can be withdrawn in the [[Generation VII]] core series games.

==Differences in the Virtual Console release==
The Nintendo 3DS [[Virtual Console]] release can [[#Connectivity|link]] with other Virtual Console Generation I and II core series games via Nintendo 3DS wireless communication, simulating the [[Game Link Cable]]. When initiating a link, the Virtual Console menu on the touch screen replaces the Cable Club attendant's dialogue.

Using [[Poké Transporter]], Pokémon can be sent from the Generation I core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]], from which they can be withdrawn in the [[Generation VII]] core series games.

The moves {{m|Blizzard}}, {{m|Bubble Beam|BubbleBeam}}, {{m|Confusion}}, {{m|Dream Eater}}, {{m|Explosion}}, {{m|Guillotine}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}}, {{m|Mega Kick}}, {{m|Mega Punch}}, {{m|Psychic}}, {{m|Reflect}}, {{m|Rock Slide}}, {{m|Self-Destruct|Selfdestruct}}, {{m|Spore}}, and {{m|Thunderbolt}} had their animations changed slightly to tone down the flashing.

==Development==
{{main|Pokémon Red and Green beta}}

An error made during development causes the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} depicted during [[Professor Oak]]'s introductory lecture to be a {{p|Nidorino}} but with the [[cry]] of a {{p|Nidorina}}. This was already the case in the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} and it was not fixed in {{2v2|Red|Blue}}.

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Game Boy: Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection CD}}
The soundtrack release for {{game|Red and Green|s}} also applies to Pokémon Blue.

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Red and Blue}}

==Flyers==
===Retail===
Dated September 30, 1999 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/ source])
<gallery>
B retail flyer front.jpg|Front
B retail flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* Because Pokémon Red and Blue use a translation of the script of {{game|Blue| (Japanese)}} but use the [[in-game trade]]s from {{game|Red and Green|s}}, two translation errors related to these trades occur.
** The man who trades the {{player}} an {{p|Electrode}} on [[Cinnabar Island]] claims that the {{p|Raichu}} he received "went and [[Evolution|evolved]]". As Raichu does not have an evolved form, this is not possible. However, in the context of Japanese Pokémon Blue, it makes sense as the player trades away a {{p|Kadabra}}, which evolves through trade, for a {{p|Graveler}}.
** The old man who trades the player a {{p|Jynx}} in [[Cerulean City]] claims that the {{p|Poliwhirl}} he received "went and evolved". As Poliwhirl cannot evolve via [[trade]] in [[Generation I]], this is not possible. However, in the context of Japanese Pokémon Blue, the old man trades away a {{p|Haunter}} for a {{p|Machoke}}, which does evolve through trade.
* Out of all the [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games, this is the only one where {{p|Jynx}} can be caught in the wild; in the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} as well as in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, this Pokémon is only available by means of an [[in-game trade]]. In {{game|Yellow}} Jynx is unobtainable altogether.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{Blue color}}|bordercolor={{Blue color light}}
|ja={{tt|ポケットモンスター　青|Pocket Monsters Ao}}
|fr=Pokémon Version Bleue
|de=Pokémon Blaue Edition
|it=Pokémon Blue Version 
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 블루|Pocket Monsters Beullu}}
|es=Pokémon Edición Azul}}

==External links==
* [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/6437256808907399718/6437256808907399721 Pokémon Generation I (Virtual Console) Miiverse Community]

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Third versions]]
[[Category:Virtual Console games]]
[[Category:Nintendo 3DS games]]

[[de:Pocket Monsters Ao]]
[[fr:Pokémon Version Bleue (Japon)]]
[[it:Pokémon Blu (Giappone)]]
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[[pl:Pokémon Blue]]

Pokémon Yellow Version

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Malzagath: /* Trivia */ Lickitung can be caught in the Safari Zone in Japanese Blue, thus does not belong in the same category as Farfetch'd

{{Infobox game | colorscheme=yellow|bordercolorscheme=yellow
|name=Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition
|jname=ポケットモンスター　ピカチュウ
|boxart=Yellow EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Yellow Version's boxart, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Pikachu}}.
|jbox=Yellow JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters: Pikachu
|platform=[[Game Boy]] (enhanced for the [[Super Game Boy]] in all releases and for the [[Game Boy Color]] outside of Japan), [[Nintendo 3DS]] ([[Virtual Console]])
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]] (Game Boy) 3DS Wireless (3DS [[Virtual Console]])
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation I]] [[core series]]
|cero=A (3DS VC)
|esrb=E
|acb=G (Game Boy) PG (3DS VC)
|oflc=G8+
|pegi=12
|gsrr=6+ (3DS VC)
|release_date_ja=September 12, 1998 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-pikachu/ {{j|ポケットモンスターピカチュウ}} | {{j|ポケットモンスターオフィシャルサイト}}]</ref><ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apsj/ {{j|ポケットモンスターピカチュウ}}]</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_na=October 18, 1999 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000621205847/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/100499.html PHENOMENON CONTINUES WITH NINTENDO'S POKéMON YELLOW VERSION: SPECIAL PIKACHU EDITION™] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000302052202/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/110199.html NINTENDO'S LATEST POKéMON GAME SMASHES COMPANY SALES RECORD] (archive)</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_au=September 3, 1999 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000614202450/http://www.nintendo.com.au/games/gameboy/games/pokemon_yellow.html Nintendo - Nintendo 64 Games]</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_eu=June 16, 2000 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ Pokémon™ Yellow Special Pikachu Edition | Video Games | Pokemon.com] (UK)</ref><ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Game-Boy/Pokemon-Yellow-Version-266142.html Pokémon Yellow Version | Game Boy | Games | Nintendo]</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_hk=February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
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'''Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　ピカチュウ}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Pikachu''), often known as '''Pokémon Yellow Version''', is the third Pokémon game for [[Game Boy]] released worldwide, as a [[core series|solitary version]] of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]]. In Japan, the game was the fourth Pokémon game released, as a second solitary version of {{game|Red and Green|s|Pocket Monsters Red & Green}}. Unlike other games, Pokemon Yellow was inspired by the {{pkmn|anime}}.

Similar to Red and Blue, Yellow arrived towards the end of the Game Boy's lifespan. It managed, though, to receive the title of second best-selling non-bundled game for its console, losing only to its predecessors.

On November 12, 2015, a [[Nintendo Direct]] announced that Yellow will be released in Japan, North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand on February 27, 2016, the [[Pokémon 20th Anniversary]], for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]].

[[Generation VII]] games heavily inspired by Pokémon Yellow, titled [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]], are slated to be released worldwide for [[Nintendo Switch]] in November 2018, two months after Yellow's 20th anniversary in Japan.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
Much like in other [[Generation I]] games, players start their journey across Kanto from their hometown, Pallet Town, eventually defeating the eight Gym Leaders and the Elite Four. Unlike other games, the player starts off with a {{p|Pikachu}} and the rival with an {{p|Eevee}}.

[[Team Rocket]] battles feature yet another special, anime-based surprise, as [[Jessie]] and [[James]] show up, along with their Pokémon, {{TP|Jessie|Ekans}}, {{TP|James|Koffing}}, and {{MTR}}. Beyond these changes, the plot of Yellow is very similar to that of the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} and {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}} as well as of the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}.

==Blurb==
You've finally been granted your [[Pokémon Trainer's license]], and now you're on your way to becoming the world's greatest Pokémon Trainer! The shockingly-cute {{p|Pikachu}} [[walking Pokémon|tags along]] behind {{Player|you}} as you search the enormous world for monsters to train and evolve. Face off against {{p|Blastoise}}'s torrential water cannons. Stand strong when facing {{p|Pidgeot}}'s stormy {{m|Gust}}. Develop the ultimate Pokémon strategy to defeat the eight [[Gym Leader]]s and become the greatest [[Pokémon Master]] of all time!

==Changes from Red, Green, and Blue==
===Aesthetic changes===
* The front Pokémon sprites have all been updated to resemble how they appear in their then-current [[Ken Sugimori]] artwork usually used in promotional images and strategy guides for the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}}, {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}}, and the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, as well as some of them resembling how they appear in the {{pkmn|anime}}. However, the back sprites are the same as the previous games.
* Some {{pkmn|Trainer}} sprites were also redone. {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} now better resemble their stock artwork for [[Generation I]], as the Pokémon sprites do. [[Brock]] wears an outfit like his {{an|Brock|anime counterpart}}'s and [[Misty]]'s bikini was changed to a shirt and shorts similar to those worn by {{an|Misty|her counterpart}}.
* [[Blaine]] has a different overworld sprite, this time clearly showing him wearing glasses.
* [[Giovanni]] uses a {{p|Persian}} in the battle at the [[Viridian Gym]], referencing the anime {{an|Giovanni}} owning a Persian.
* All policemen were recast as [[Officer Jenny]]s and all [[Pokémon Center Nurse]]s were recast as [[Nurse Joy]]s (attended by a {{p|Chansey}}).
* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Sandshrew}}, {{p|Oddish}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Clefairy}} receive new overworld sprites. Pikachu also receives a unique icon on the [[party]] screen.
* [[Kanto]] is slightly redesigned a second time, featuring different designs for doors, signposts, windows, and other minor elements.
* Enhanced compatibility with the [[Game Boy Color]] is present outside of Japan, providing color palette changes as the player switches locations, whereas the Japanese version is similar to the previous [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games in that it only has [[Super Game Boy]] support.
** The Super Game Boy palettes used for the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} sprites are also lighter.

===Location changes===
* In some locations, Trainers who reference characters from the anime replace previous Trainers.
** On {{rt|6|Kanto}}, a {{tc|Camper|Jr. Trainer♂}} and {{tc|Picnicker|Jr. Trainer♀}} are changed to reference [[Joe (EP009)|Joe]] and [[Giselle]].
** On {{rt|9|Kanto}}, a {{tc|Camper|Jr. Trainer♂}} was replaced with a {{tc|Youngster}} to reference [[A.J.]]
* Two extra trainers (a {{tc|Lass}} and another {{tc|Bug Catcher}}) were added in [[Viridian Forest]].
* The Summer Beach House, where [[Pikachu's Beach]] can be played, was added to {{rt|19|Kanto}}.
* In the [[Cinnabar Gym]], the player must now take the quiz machines' quiz before they can battle the Trainer stationed nearby.
* The [[Bicycle]] theme does not play on {{rt|23|Kanto}} and in {{ka|Victory Road}}.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] has a completely different layout.
* Changes were made to the locations and availability of Pokémon.
** Some changes may have been made to reinforce the anime-based setting.
*** {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Raichu}} are removed from all availability in the wild, leaving only the player's starter Pikachu (who cannot evolve).
*** In the anime, {{Ash}} catches a {{p|Caterpie}} and a {{p|Pidgeotto}} in [[Viridian Forest]]. In the game, though both {{p|Caterpie}} and {{p|Weedle}} were available in previous games, only Caterpie is now. {{p|Pidgey}} and {{p|Pidgeotto}} are also both added to Viridian Forest.
*** The player can now also obtain all three of the original [[Kanto]] [[starter Pokémon]] (at [[Cerulean City]], {{rt|24|Kanto}}, and [[Vermilion City]]), just like Ash in the anime.
*** The Pokémon that {{TRT}} uses ({{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Meowth}}, and their evolutions) are no longer available to be caught in the wild.
** [[In-game trade]]s are changed to different Pokémon, and two trades are removed from the game.
** {{p|Farfetch'd}} and {{p|Lickitung}}, previously available only through in-game trades, now appear as [[wild Pokémon]].
** {{p|Abra}}, previously available on the routes north of [[Cerulean City]], has now been relocated to the four routes surrounding [[Saffron City]].
* A trash can was added next to the table at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]].

===Gameplay changes===
* {{p|Pikachu}} is the only [[starter Pokémon]] the {{player}} can choose and [[Walking Pokémon|travels with the player]] on-screen, outside of a [[Poké Ball]] like [[Ash's Pikachu]]. It will also [[cry]] like Ash's Pikachu in the anime, with its cries now voiced by [[Ikue Ohtani]].
** This Pikachu cannot be [[Evolution|evolved]] or {{pkmn2|released}}.
* The {{ga|Blue|rival}} starts with {{p|Eevee}}. He will eventually have a different team based around one of Eevee's evolutions depending on how the player fares in the first two battles with the rival (the second being optional), at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] and {{rt|22|Kanto}}.
** If the player wins both, Eevee evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}.
** If the player wins at the lab and loses or skips at Route 22, Eevee evolves into {{p|Flareon}}.
** If the player loses at the lab, Eevee evolves into {{p|Vaporeon}}.
* A minimal [[friendship]] system is implemented to track how Pikachu feels about the player.
* [[Gym Leader]]s have different teams, some based on those that appear in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
* [[Level]]-up learnsets and [[TM]] compatibility are altered slightly for certain Pokémon. {{p|Charizard}}, for example, can now learn {{m|Fly}} via [[HM02]].
* Support is added for the [[Game Boy Printer]].
* If the player does not have {{PDollar}}500, they can still enter the {{safari|Kanto}}. The player will have to pay any money they do have and will receive a number of Safari Balls proportional to the amount paid (but at least one).
* {{m|Kinesis}} is given to {{p|Kadabra}} as its [[signature move]]. In the previous games, {{m|Kinesis}} was never used and the only way it might appear would be if randomly called by {{m|Metronome}}.
* A new mode, "Colosseum 2", was added to the [[Pokémon Center#Generation I|Cable Club]].
* The [[Viridian City]] [[Poké Mart]] now sells [[Potion]]s. The NPC complaining about Potions not being sold in Pokémon Red and Blue now states that the Mart finally sells Potions again.

===Storyline changes===
* The chain of events leading to the player obtaining the starter is slightly different:
** The player now takes one step further into the [[tall grass]] before [[Professor Oak]] comes along. Now himself standing in the tall grass, Oak encounters a wild Pikachu and immediately catches it before leading the player back to his laboratory.
** Instead of giving the player and {{ga|Blue}} the choice between {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}}, Professor Oak tells player to take the single [[Poké Ball]] on his desk, containing {{p|Eevee}}, but Blue shoves the player out of the way and takes the Poké Ball instead. Oak then gives the player the only Pokémon he has on hand: the Pikachu he has caught before, which, after the first battle against Blue, immediately breaks free from its Poké Ball and follows the player on foot from this point onward.
* The {{ka|old man}} in [[Viridian City]] now must be spoken to before going to [[Viridian Forest]]. He attempts to demonstrate how to catch a Pokémon, fails and leaves to get more Poké Balls from the Viridian [[Poké Mart]]. The player can visit the Poké Mart to ask him to repeat the tutorial.
* [[Jessie]] and [[James]] appear throughout the game, replacing Grunts from the previous games in four different places. They are involved in [[Team Rocket]]'s scheme and are typically found before a battle with [[Giovanni]]. Though they are named "Rocket" like any {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}, they have distinct overworld and in-battle sprites.

===Pokémon unobtainable in Yellow===
The following Pokémon are not obtainable in Yellow. In order to obtain any of the below Pokémon, they must be traded from one of the previous [[Generation I]] games, or from the [[Generation II]] games, which has that Pokémon available, which will be indicated.

Note that "'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''" indicates a Pokémon that can be caught in the {{game|Red and Green|s|Japanese Green}}, and thus in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Blue}} as well. "'''{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''" indicates a Pokémon obtainable in the {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}}.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{yellow color}}; border:5px solid #{{yellow color light}}"
|-
! Yellow
|-
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{| border="1" style="background:white; border:1px solid #{{yellow color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentry|013|Weedle|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|014|Kakuna|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|023|Ekans|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|024|Arbok|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|026|Raichu|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|052|Meowth|1|Normal||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|053|Persian|1|Normal||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|124|Jynx|2|Ice|Psychic|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|126|Magmar|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''}}
|}
|}

==Differences in the Virtual Console release==
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The Nintendo 3DS [[Virtual Console]] releases can [[#Connectivity|link]] with other Virtual Console Generation I and II core series games via Nintendo 3DS wireless communication, simulating the [[Game Link Cable]]. When initiating a link, the Virtual Console menu on the touch screen replaces the Cable Club attendant's dialogue. Additionally, all of the [[Game Boy Printer]] features are disabled, although the option still appears in the PC menu: when selected, the game acts as if the printing is in progress, even though, in reality, nothing is happening.

Using [[Poké Transporter]], Pokémon can be sent from the Generation I core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]], and from Pokémon Bank, they can then be moved to [[Generation VII]] core series games.

The moves {{m|Blizzard}}, {{m|Bubble Beam|BubbleBeam}}, {{m|Confusion}}, {{m|Dream Eater}}, {{m|Explosion}}, {{m|Guillotine}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}}, {{m|Mega Kick}}, {{m|Mega Punch}}, {{m|Psychic}}, {{m|Reflect}}, {{m|Rock Slide}}, {{m|Self-Destruct|Selfdestruct}}, {{m|Spore}}, and {{m|Thunderbolt}} had their animations changed slightly to tone down the flashing.

In the Western language releases, which are emulated in [[Game Boy Color]] mode, {{p|Jynx}}'s sprite has been replaced to match its current design, as the original had previously fell under controversy for its resemblance to {{wp|blackface}}. The Japanese release is emulated in [[Game Boy]] mode, which is monochromatic, so no change was made.

The requirement for the [[Pikachu's Beach]] minigame is now {{ga|Red's Pikachu|the starter Pikachu}} instead of {{DL|Pikachu variants|Surfing Pikachu}}.

==Connectivity==
Players may [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges or battle with another cartridge using a [[Game Boy]] [[Game Link Cable]]. To take full advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to other Generation I games and others require trading to evolve, making trading necessary to complete the [[Pokédex]]. The Japanese version can trade and battle with Japanese versions of {{game|Red and Green|s|Pokémon Red, Green}}, {{v2|Blue| (Japanese)}}, and Yellow; the Western versions can trade and battle with Western versions of {{game|Red and Blue|s|Pokémon Red, Blue}}, and Yellow. It can also trade with {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} via the [[Time Capsule]]. Pokémon Yellow is completely incompatible with games from [[Generation III]] onward.

Trades between Pokémon games in different languages are possible; however, a Japanese game cannot connect with a non-Japanese game without causing corruption. This is due to the fact that the games cannot automatically translate the Pokémon data from Japanese to a different language or vice versa, since neither game fully [[Character encoding in Generation I|encodes]] both {{wp|kana}} and the {{wp|Latin alphabet}} (only encoding one fully and the other partially). If a battle between a Japanese game and a non-Japanese game is attempted, the battle simply does not work, with the save files left unharmed.

Pokémon Yellow is compatible with the Japan-exclusive {{jap|Pokémon Stadium}}, Western {{eng|Pokémon Stadium|Stadium}}, and {{pkmn|Stadium 2}}. While link battles are not possible directly between Pokémon Yellow and the Generation II games, a player may challenge a Generation II game using Pokémon Stadium 2.

Pokémon Yellow is also compatible with the [[Game Boy Printer]]. It is possible to print Pokédex entries, the [[Diploma]], [[Pokémon Storage System]] Boxes, [[Party]] Pokémon, and the [[Pikachu's Beach]] high score.

===Colosseum 2===
Yellow debuted a new link battle mode, Colosseum 2. In Colosseum 2, players can select from several battle modes:
* [[Pika Cup]] (for Pokémon between [[level]]s 15 to 20 only; their combined level limit is 50)
* [[Petit Cup]] (for Pokémon between levels 25 to 30, with a height no more than 6'07" (2 m), and weight no more than 44.1 lbs. (20 kg) only)
* [[Poké Cup]] (for Pokémon between levels 50 to 55 only, and the sum of all entered Pokémon's Levels cannot exceed 155; {{p|Mew}} is not allowed).
These three cups would later become standard cups in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}} (known as Pokémon Stadium 2 in Japan).

In addition, in the Japanese versions, {{m|Blizzard}}'s chance to {{status|freeze}} in Colosseum 2 is changed to 10% rather than the usual 30%. Blizzard's chance to freeze is always 10% in the [[Pokémon Stadium series]] and the Western releases of the Generation I games.

===Virtual Console===
The [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]] release uses 3DS wireless communication as a substitute for the Game Link Cable. The Virtual Console release disables [[Game Boy Printer]] compatibility. Japanese and non-Japanese Generation I core series games do not recognize each other when attempting to link them via 3DS wireless communication.

Using [[Poké Transporter]], all Pokémon in Box 1 can be sent from the Generation I core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]] (regardless of language), and from Pokémon Bank, they can then be moved to [[Generation VII]] core series games.

==Differences from the anime==
The game is loosely based on the original anime series, but has several differences:
* [[Brock]] does not surrender during the [[Pewter Gym]] battle and does not accompany the {{player}} thereafter.
* [[Misty]] is first encountered in the [[Cerulean Gym]]. In the {{pkmn|anime}}, she had left the Gym when {{Ash}} met her (the Gym was run by [[the Sensational Sisters]]). She also does not accompany the player on their journey in the game.
* {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}} are acquired from tasks. In the anime, {{AP|Charmander}} is rescued from heavy rain, {{AP|Squirtle}} merely follows Ash, and {{AP|Bulbasaur}} was caught in a formal battle.
* {{MTR}} can use {{m|Pay Day}} and does not speak in the game.

==English title==
[[File:Pokemon Yellow Version.jpg|thumb|200px|An American version game cartridge of Yellow]]
While the game's title has become widely accepted as simply ''Pokémon Yellow'', its officially recognized name outside of Japan is not entirely certain. On the boxart for most English versions, the expression ''Special Pikachu Edition'' replaces the series' then-current slogan ''[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]'' below the Pokémon logo, while ''Yellow Version'' is at the bottom, near where Red and Blue had theirs. However, the expression ''Special Pikachu Edition'' is repeated on the box's opening and spine.

Contemporaneous materials refer to the game as ''Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition'',<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000621205847/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/100499.html PHENOMENON CONTINUES WITH NINTENDO'S POKéMON YELLOW VERSION: SPECIAL PIKACHU EDITION™ | Nintendo Press Releases] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000302052202/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/110199.html NINTENDO'S LATEST POKéMON GAME SMASHES COMPANY SALES RECORD | Nintendo Press Releases] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/19991013114744/http://pokemon.com/games/index.html#yellow Pokémon Games | Pokémon.com] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/19991013020010/http://www.nintendo.com/gb/gamelist.html Game Boy Color: Upcoming Games | Nintendo] (archive)</ref> or ''Pokémon Yellow'' for brevity. The instruction manual refers to the game as "the Yellow version of Pokémon", "Yellow" is one of the selectable preset names for the {{ga|Red|player character}}, and ''Yellow Version'' can be seen on the game's title screen.

ESRB classified the game under the title ''Pokémon yellow''.<ref>[https://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=4122&Title=Pokemon+yellow ESRB]</ref> The Australian Classification Board classified the game under the title ''POKEMON YELLOW''.<ref>[http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?ncdctx=FCkQCm7viLSpoubB2Pl%2bUqk4ywcYhGtIFwZYml92sndTY3DWHTTp5KpY2RCkfmf8 Classification Board]</ref> The {{wp|Canadian Intellectual Property Office}} records the copyright ''POKEMON YELLOW VERSION: SPECIAL PIKACHU EDITION''.<ref>[https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dtls.do?fileNum=405833&type=1&lang=eng Canadian Copyright Register]</ref>

[[Pokémon.com]] refers to the game as ''Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition'' in full, but ''Pokémon Yellow Version'' and ''Pokémon Yellow'' in general usage.<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ Pokémon.com - Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition]</ref> ''Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition'' is also the title used in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afo0sk9VNww Nintendo World Pokémon Series Showcase]. [[Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]] refers to the game as ''Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition'' in Pikachu's trophy description.

In the Virtual Console release, the game is referred to as ''Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition'' on the Nintendo eShop and in the manual. Like many games, it is abbreviated on the Nintendo 3DS HOME Menu, being referred to as ''Pokémon Yellow Version''.

==Version history==
===Japan===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:left; border: 3px solid #{{yellow color}}; background: #{{yellow color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Version
! Changelog
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.0
| Initial release
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.1
| Differences in the locations of internal functions, unintentional glitch differences.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.2
| Adjustments to the code in existing routines. It is unknown how this affects the game.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.3
| Fixes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4bdbEEvms a minor glitch] in which a [[Walking Pokémon|walking]] {{p|Pikachu}} can remove the walls that can usually only be removed by pushing a boulder on to a switch in [[Victory Road (Kanto)|Victory Road]], except for one wall in 3F. The glitch may occur when the player has the walking Pikachu stand on the switch, rather than pushing the boulder on to the switch.
|}
===International===
Only one known version of each international language version was released.

==Development==
{{main|Pokémon Yellow beta}}

==Reception==
Like {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, Yellow was also well received by the press. Like its predecessors, it received a perfect 10/10 "Masterful" rating from IGN.<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/012/012045.html IGN: Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> However, it was criticized as being "just a stopgap to help us wait for the {{game|Gold and Silver|s|real sequels}}".<ref>[http://reviews.cnet.com/legacy-game-platforms/pokemon-yellow-game-boy/4505-9882_7-30965879-2.html?tag=txt;page Pokemon Yellow (Game Boy) Legacy game platform reviews - CNET Reviews] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Yellow received a slightly lower average score than Red and Blue of about 85% on GameRankings. Despite this, it was the site's top rated [[Game Boy]] game in the year of its release, 1999.<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/198314-pokemon-yellow-version-special-pikachu-edition/index.html Pokemon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition for Game Boy] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Game Boy: Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection CD}}
The soundtrack for {{game2|Red|Green|Blue}} and {{game|Red and Blue|s}} also applies to Pokémon Yellow. However, Yellow added three tracks that are absent from the official soundtrack, which precedes the release of Yellow by ten months. These additional tracks were also composed by [[Junichi Masuda]].

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Yellow}}

==Flyers==
Dated August 3, 1998 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/ source])
<gallery>
Y flyer front.jpg|Front
Y flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* The game's Japanese release date of September 12, 1998 was intentionally timed to coincide with the release of a movie, being released two months after [[M01]].<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/ipkj/vol1/index2.html {{j|社長が訊く『ポケットモンスターハートゴールド・ソウルシルバー』}}]</ref><ref>[https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/1 Iwata Asks : Pokémon HeartGold Version & SoulSilver Version : The King Of Portable Toys]</ref>
** As such, it came out in Japan before the [[Game Boy Color]], which was not released until October 21, 1998.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/hardware/color/ {{j|ゲームボーイカラー}}]</ref> This explains the lack of Game Boy Color support in the Japanese versions, with the game using a yellow palette by default when played on a Game Boy Color, [[Game Boy Advance]], [[Game Boy Advance SP]], or [[Game Boy Player]], much like the red, green, and blue palettes respectively used by {{game|Red and Green|s|Pokémon Red, Green,}} and {{v2|Blue| (Japanese)}}.
** Pokémon Yellow was also announced and released after [[Game Freak]] postponed {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, which were originally set to come out in March 1998.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n12/swgbsoft/swgb03.html {{j|SPACEWORLD'97 出展　GAME BOYソフト}}]</ref> Instead, [[Pokémon Pikachu]] came out that month.
** The special Pikachu Yellow model of the [[Game Boy Printer]] was also exclusively released in Japan on September 12, 1998.<ref>[http://maru-chang.com/hard/gb/ {{j|DMG/MGB/CGB：ゲームボーイ}}]</ref><ref>[http://www.geocities.jp/hagane0772/rekisi.html {{j|ポケモンの歴史}}]</ref>
* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, which reimplemented the [[walking Pokémon]] mechanic that was introduced in Yellow, were released in Japan exactly 11 years after Yellow was released in Japan.
* The two available starter Pokémon of this game, {{p|Pikachu}} ({{ga|Red|player}}) and {{p|Eevee}} ({{ga|Blue|rival}}), are the only Pokémon introduced prior to [[Generation V]] to evolve with a [[Thunder Stone|Thunderstone]].
* Out of all the [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games, this is the only one where {{p|Farfetch'd}} can be caught in the wild; in the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} and {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}} as well as in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, this Pokémon is only available by means of an [[in-game trade]].
* It is the only localized game prior to [[Generation III]] to lack the [[Gotta catch 'em all!|slogan]] below the Pokémon logo.
* This is the only core series game influenced heavily by the anime.
* Pikachu had its [[cry]] changed to that of its anime counterpart for this game. [[Junichi Masuda]] details the modification of [[Ikue Ohtani]]'s voice to a sound capable of being made by the low-tech [[Game Boy]] in his [https://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=144 Director's Column]. However, Pikachu's original cry was used in some parts of the game.
* Prior to the Virtual Console release announcement, [[Pokémon.com]] listed Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow with a PEGI rating of 3.<ref>[http://archive.is/8EFqK Pokémon™ Yellow Special Pikachu Edition | Video Games | Pokemon.com] (archive)</ref>
* The boxarts for [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]], Pokémon Yellow and [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Pokémon Silver]] are the only three instances where the English ''Pokémon'' logo is shown partially covered by some element (in this case, Pikachu's ears).

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{Yellow color}}|bordercolor={{Yellow color light}}
|ja={{tt|ポケットモンスター　ピカチュウ|Pocket Monsters Pikachu}}
|fr=Pokémon Version Jaune: Edition Spéciale Pikachu
|de=Pokémon Gelbe Edition: Special Pikachu Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Gialla: Speciale Edizione Pikachu
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 피카츄|Pocket Monsters Pikachu}}
|pt_br=Pokémon Versão Amarela: Edição Especial Pikachu
|es=Pokémon Edición Amarilla: Edición Especial Pikachu
}}

==See also==
* {{appendix|Yellow walkthrough}}

==External links==
* [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/6437256808907399718/6437256808907399721 Miiverse - Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow Version Community]

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Yellow|*]]
[[Category:Third versions]]
[[Category:Virtual Console games]]
[[Category:Nintendo 3DS games]]

[[de:Pokémon Special Pikachu Edition]]
[[es:Pokémon Amarillo]]
[[fr:Pokémon Version Jaune]]
[[it:Pokémon Giallo]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターピカチュウ]]
[[zh:精靈寶可夢皮卡丘]]

Fissure (move)

2018-10-18T22:30:17Z

Malzagath: /* Trivia */

{{MoveInfobox
|n=90
|name=Fissure
|jname=じわれ
|jtranslit=Jiware
|jtrans=Fissure
|gameimage=Fissure VII.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Ground
|damagecategory=Physical
|basepp=5
|maxpp=8
|power=—
|accuracy={{tt|30|— in Generations II-VI}}
|gen=I
|category=Tough
|appeal=2
|jam=1
|cdesc=Badly startles all Pokémon that made good appeals.
|appealsc=0
|scdesc=Earn +15 if all the Pokémon choose the same Judge.
|category6=Tough
|appeal6=2
|jam6=1
|cdesc6=Badly startles all Pokémon that successfully showed their appeal.
|touches=no
|protect=yes
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|mirrormove=no
|kingsrock=no
|sound=no
|tm1=yes
|tm#1=27
|na=no
|target=anyadjacent
}}
'''Fissure''' (Japanese: '''じわれ''' ''Fissure'') is a {{type|Ground}} [[one-hit knockout move]] introduced in [[Generation I]]. It was [[TM27]] in Generation I. In [[Generation II]], it was the [[signature move]] of {{p|Diglett}} and {{p|Dugtrio}}.

==Effect==
===Generation I===
Fissure inflicts damage equal to the target's current {{stat|HP}}. Its [[accuracy]] is 30%. Fissure will break a {{m|substitute}} if it hits.

Fissure will not affect a target whose current {{stat|Speed}} stat is greater than the user's current Speed stat.

===Generation II ===
The accuracy of Fissure now follows the formula below.
Acc = ( ( user_level - target_level ) * 2/256 + 76/256 ) * 100%
This forumla means that the accuracy starts at approximately 30% and grows by approximately 0.78% for every level higher than the target that the user is.

Fissure's efficacy is no longer based on the target's Speed; instead, now it cannot affect a target that has a higher [[level]] than the user.

Fissure can also now affect Pokémon during the semi-invulnerable turn of {{m|Dig}}.

In the Generation II core series games only, Fissure can be countered by {{m|Counter}} for maximum damage if it misses.

===Generations III to VI===
The formula for Fissure's accuracy is now:
Acc = ( ( user_level - target_level ) + 30 ) * 100%

Fissure's chance of hitting is now unaffected by {{stat|accuracy}} and {{stat|evasion}} stats.

Fissure can be used as part of a [[Contest combination|Pokémon Contest combination]], with the user gaining extra two appeal points if the move {{m|Earthquake}} was used in the prior turn. It is also part of a Contest Spectacular combination and will give an extra three appeal points if any of the moves {{m|Lock-On}}, {{m|Mind Reader}} and {{m|Miracle Eye}} was used in the prior turn.

===Generation VII===
Fissure's accuracy is now displayed as 30%; however, its accuracy calculation remains unchanged.

==Description==
{{movedesc|Ground}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Stad}}{{gameabbrevss|Stad2}}|Causes a single-hit knockout if it hits. Useless against <sc>Flying</sc>-type Pokémon.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|A ground-type, one-hit KO attack.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}|A one-hit KO move that drops the foe in a fissure.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|The foe is dropped into a fissure. The foe faints if it hits.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Colo}}{{gameabbrevss|XD}}|A one-hit KO that drops the target in a fissure.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}{{gameabbrevss|PBR}}|The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in. The target instantly faints if it hits.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the target in. The target instantly faints if it hits.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SMUSUM}}|The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the target in. The target faints instantly if this attack hits.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Movehead/Level|Ground|1}}
{{Moveentry/7|050|Diglett|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||49|49|40|45|45|43}}
{{Moveentry/7|050A|Diglett|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field|||||||43|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/7|051|Dugtrio|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||61|64|50|57|57|53}}
{{Moveentry/7|051A|Dugtrio|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field|||||||53|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/7|323|Camerupt|type=Fire|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field|||55|67|75{{sup/5|BW}} 59{{sup/5|B2W2}}|1, 59|1, 59}}
{{Moveentry/7|328|Trapinch|type=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||||89|89{{sup/5|BW}} 73{{sup/5|B2W2}}|1, 73{{sup/6|XY}} 47{{sup/6|ORAS}}|47}}
{{Moveentry/7|339|Barboach|type=Water|type2=Ground|1|Water 2|Water 2|||41|47|47|47{{sup/6|XY}} 44{{sup/6|ORAS}}|44}}
{{Moveentry/7|340|Whiscash|type=Water|type2=Ground|1|Water 2|Water 2|||56|57|57|57{{sup/6|XY}} 52{{sup/6|ORAS}}|52}}
{{Moveentry/7|383|Groudon|type=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||60|60{{sup/4|DPPt}} 75{{sup/4|HGSS}}|75|75{{sup/6|XY}} 65{{sup/6|ORAS}}|65}}
{{Moveentry/7|413G|Wormadam|type=Bug|type2=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||||47|47|47|47|form=Sandy Cloak}}
{{Moveentry/7|449|Hippopotas|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||50|50|50|50}}
{{Moveentry/7|450|Hippowdon|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||60|60|60|60}}
{{Moveentry/7|529|Drilbur|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|||||47|47|47}}
{{Moveentry/7|530|Excadrill|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field|||||62|62|62}}
{{Moveentry/7|618|Stunfisk|type=Ground|type2=Electric|2|Water 1|Amorphous|||||61|1, 61|1, 61}}
{{Moveentry/7|645|Landorus|type=Ground|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||||67|1, 67|1, 61}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|7}}

===By {{pkmn|breeding}}===
{{Movehead/Breed|Ground|2}}
{{Moveentry/6|131|Lapras|type=Water|type2=Ice|2|Monster|Water 1|||✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Chain breeding in Gen IV}}
{{Moveentry/6|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Breed from purified Snorlax in Gen III; chain breeding in Gen IV, V and VI}}
{{Moveentry/6|220|Swinub|type=Ice|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|231|Phanpy|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|320|Wailmer|type=Water|2|Field|Water 2||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|324|Torkoal|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|363|Spheal|type=Ice|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|410|Shieldon|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Chain breeding}}
{{Moveentry/6|422|Shellos|type=Water|2|Water 1|Amorphous|||✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Chain breeding in Gen IV}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|6}}

===By [[TM]]===
{{Movehead/TM|Ground|1|TM27|no|no|no|no|no|no}}
{{Moveentry/7|006|Charizard|type=Fire|type2=Flying|2|Monster|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|009|Blastoise|type=Water|2|Monster|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|023|Ekans|type=Poison|2|Field|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|024|Arbok|type=Poison|2|Field|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|027|Sandshrew|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|028|Sandslash|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|031|Nidoqueen|type=Poison|type2=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|034|Nidoking|type=Poison|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|050|Diglett|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|051|Dugtrio|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|061|Poliwhirl|type=Water|1|Water 1|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|062|Poliwrath|type=Water|type2=Fighting|1|Water 1|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|066|Machop|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|067|Machoke|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|068|Machamp|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|074|Geodude|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|075|Graveler|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|076|Golem|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|079|Slowpoke|type=Water|type2=Psychic|2|Monster|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|080|Slowbro|type=Water|type2=Psychic|2|Monster|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|095|Onix|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|104|Cubone|type=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|105|Marowak|type=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|108|Lickitung|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|111|Rhyhorn|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|112|Rhydon|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|115|Kangaskhan|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|128|Tauros|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|151|Mew|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔||||}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|7}}

===Special move===
====[[Generation III]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Ground}}
{{Moveentry/1|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|[[Purification|Purified]] [[Shadow Pokémon]]{{sup/ss|XD}}}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|1}}

====[[Generation V]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Ground}}
{{Moveentry/1|324|Torkoal|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Rugged Mountain}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|363|Spheal|type=Ice|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Field|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Icy Cave}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|410|Shieldon|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Monster|Monster|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Icy Cave}}}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|1}}

==In other games==
===[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series]]===
Fissure will cause a Pokémon to instantly faint through "calamitous damage" (changed to "It's a one-hit KO!" in Gates to Infinity), regardless of level, but is prone to missing.

===Description===
{{movedesc|Ground}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevmd|RB}}|Defeats the target in one shot--if it hits. It has no effect on a flying foe.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevmd|SMD}}|The enemy will faint instantly if this attack hits, but it's hard to land this move. It has no effect on Flying-type Pokémon or Pokémon with the Levitate Ability.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=ground|exp=yes|gen=The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in.|image1=Ash Tauros Fissure preparation.png|image1p=Preparing to use Fissure|image2=Ash Tauros Fissure.png|image2p=Tauros|image3=AJ Sandshrew Fissure.png|image3p=Sandshrew|image4=Groudon Fissure.png|image4p=Groudon}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=027|pkmn=Sandshrew|method=Sandshrew jumps into the air, then dives onto the ground, creating a fissure as it lands.}}
{{movemid|type=ground|user=A.J.|user1=A.J.'s Sandshrew|startcode=EP008|startname=The Path to the Pokémon League|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=128|pkmn=Tauros|method=Tauros rattles the battlefield with its hooves, then uses one of its hooves to slice open the ground with a white energy beam.}}
{{movemid|type=ground|user=Ash's Tauros|startcode=EP111|startname=Hello, Pummelo!}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=383|pkmn=Groudon|method=Groudon slams its arm into the ground and it sends a white energy beam from it at the opponent.}}
{{movebtm|type=ground|user=Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime#Groudon|user1=Groudon (anime)|startcode=AG098|startname=The Scuffle of Legends}}

==In the manga==
===In The Electric Tale of Pikachu manga===
{{Movemanga|type=Ground|exp=yes|gen=The user opens a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in. The target instantly faints if it hits.|image1=Oak Sandshrew Fissure EToP.png|image1p=Sandshrew}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=027|pkmn=Sandshrew|method=Sandshrew jumps into the air and faces its head down at the ground. It then waves its arm at the ground and an energy beam shoots down from the sky and hits the ground. When the beam of energy hits the ground, an orb of energy appears by the ground.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=ground|user=Professor Oak (anime)|user1=Professor Oak's Sandshrew|startcode=ET10|startname=Clefairy in Space!|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{Movemanga|type=Ground|exp=yes|gen=The user opens a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in. The target instantly faints if it hits.|image1=Giovanni Rhydon Fissure Adventures.png|image1p=Rhydon}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=112|pkmn=Rhydon|method=Rhydon cracks open a fissure in the ground, trapping the opponent inside of it.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=ground|user=Giovanni (Adventures)|user1=Giovanni's Rhydon|startcode=PS038|startname=Long Live the Nidoqueen!?|notes=Debut}}

==In other generations==
===Core series games===
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|genI=Fissure I
|genII=Fissure II
|genIII=Fissure III
|genIV=Fissure DPPt
}}
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|HGSS=Fissure HGSS
|genV=Fissure V
|genVI=Fissure VI
}}

===Side series games===
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|Stad=Fissure Stad
|Stad2=Fissure Stad2
|Colo=Fissure Colo
|XD=Fissure XD
}}

{{movegen
|type=Ground
|PBR=Fissure PBR
}}

===Spin-off series games===
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|PMDRB=Fissure PMD RB
}}

==Trivia==
* Due to the {{wp|2004 Chuetsu earthquake}}, this move, alongside {{m|Earthquake}} and {{m|Magnitude}}, have not been seen in the anime since [[AG101 (unaired)]] (which has never aired anywhere in the world).
* After defeating [[Giovanni]] at the [[Viridian Gym]] in {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, he mentions that he made the [[TM27]] that teaches Fissure in [[Generation I]].
* In {{game|Yellow}}, a game based on the anime, there is a {{tc|Youngster}} on {{rt|9|Kanto}}. This Trainer solely uses a level 24 {{p|Sandshrew}} that has the move {{m|Fissure}}, much like [[A.J.]]'s Sandshrew in the anime.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{ground color}}|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|zh_yue=地裂 ''{{tt|Deihliht|Fissure}}''
|zh_cmn=地裂 ''{{tt|Dìliè|Fissure}}''
|nl=Kloof
|fi=Lohkaisu
|fr=Abîme
|cs=Štěrbinový útok Práskavý útok
|de=Geofissur
|el=Ρήγμα
|it=Abisso
|ko=땅가르기 ''Ttang Gareugi''
|pl=Rozpadlina Szczelinowe Uderzenie ([[EP008]])
|pt_br=Fissura (manga) Ruptura (anime)
|pt_eu=Fissura
|sr=Procep
|es=Fisura
|sv=Klyvanfall
|vi=Nứt Đất
}}
{{-}}
{{OHKO|Ground}}
{{-}}
{{Generation I TMs}}
{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Moves that can hit semi-invulnerable Pokémon]]
[[Category:One-hit knockout moves]]
[[Category:Moves that can jam]]
[[Category:Moves learned by purification]]

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[[es:Fisura]]
[[fr:Abîme]]
[[it:Abisso]]
[[ja:じわれ]]
[[zh:地裂（招式）]]

Fissure (move)

2018-10-18T22:29:54Z

Malzagath: /* Trivia */ Cross-reference to another trivia fact

{{MoveInfobox
|n=90
|name=Fissure
|jname=じわれ
|jtranslit=Jiware
|jtrans=Fissure
|gameimage=Fissure VII.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Ground
|damagecategory=Physical
|basepp=5
|maxpp=8
|power=—
|accuracy={{tt|30|— in Generations II-VI}}
|gen=I
|category=Tough
|appeal=2
|jam=1
|cdesc=Badly startles all Pokémon that made good appeals.
|appealsc=0
|scdesc=Earn +15 if all the Pokémon choose the same Judge.
|category6=Tough
|appeal6=2
|jam6=1
|cdesc6=Badly startles all Pokémon that successfully showed their appeal.
|touches=no
|protect=yes
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|mirrormove=no
|kingsrock=no
|sound=no
|tm1=yes
|tm#1=27
|na=no
|target=anyadjacent
}}
'''Fissure''' (Japanese: '''じわれ''' ''Fissure'') is a {{type|Ground}} [[one-hit knockout move]] introduced in [[Generation I]]. It was [[TM27]] in Generation I. In [[Generation II]], it was the [[signature move]] of {{p|Diglett}} and {{p|Dugtrio}}.

==Effect==
===Generation I===
Fissure inflicts damage equal to the target's current {{stat|HP}}. Its [[accuracy]] is 30%. Fissure will break a {{m|substitute}} if it hits.

Fissure will not affect a target whose current {{stat|Speed}} stat is greater than the user's current Speed stat.

===Generation II ===
The accuracy of Fissure now follows the formula below.
Acc = ( ( user_level - target_level ) * 2/256 + 76/256 ) * 100%
This forumla means that the accuracy starts at approximately 30% and grows by approximately 0.78% for every level higher than the target that the user is.

Fissure's efficacy is no longer based on the target's Speed; instead, now it cannot affect a target that has a higher [[level]] than the user.

Fissure can also now affect Pokémon during the semi-invulnerable turn of {{m|Dig}}.

In the Generation II core series games only, Fissure can be countered by {{m|Counter}} for maximum damage if it misses.

===Generations III to VI===
The formula for Fissure's accuracy is now:
Acc = ( ( user_level - target_level ) + 30 ) * 100%

Fissure's chance of hitting is now unaffected by {{stat|accuracy}} and {{stat|evasion}} stats.

Fissure can be used as part of a [[Contest combination|Pokémon Contest combination]], with the user gaining extra two appeal points if the move {{m|Earthquake}} was used in the prior turn. It is also part of a Contest Spectacular combination and will give an extra three appeal points if any of the moves {{m|Lock-On}}, {{m|Mind Reader}} and {{m|Miracle Eye}} was used in the prior turn.

===Generation VII===
Fissure's accuracy is now displayed as 30%; however, its accuracy calculation remains unchanged.

==Description==
{{movedesc|Ground}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Stad}}{{gameabbrevss|Stad2}}|Causes a single-hit knockout if it hits. Useless against <sc>Flying</sc>-type Pokémon.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|A ground-type, one-hit KO attack.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}|A one-hit KO move that drops the foe in a fissure.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|The foe is dropped into a fissure. The foe faints if it hits.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Colo}}{{gameabbrevss|XD}}|A one-hit KO that drops the target in a fissure.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}{{gameabbrevss|PBR}}|The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in. The target instantly faints if it hits.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the target in. The target instantly faints if it hits.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SMUSUM}}|The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the target in. The target faints instantly if this attack hits.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Movehead/Level|Ground|1}}
{{Moveentry/7|050|Diglett|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||49|49|40|45|45|43}}
{{Moveentry/7|050A|Diglett|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field|||||||43|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/7|051|Dugtrio|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||61|64|50|57|57|53}}
{{Moveentry/7|051A|Dugtrio|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field|||||||53|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/7|323|Camerupt|type=Fire|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field|||55|67|75{{sup/5|BW}} 59{{sup/5|B2W2}}|1, 59|1, 59}}
{{Moveentry/7|328|Trapinch|type=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||||89|89{{sup/5|BW}} 73{{sup/5|B2W2}}|1, 73{{sup/6|XY}} 47{{sup/6|ORAS}}|47}}
{{Moveentry/7|339|Barboach|type=Water|type2=Ground|1|Water 2|Water 2|||41|47|47|47{{sup/6|XY}} 44{{sup/6|ORAS}}|44}}
{{Moveentry/7|340|Whiscash|type=Water|type2=Ground|1|Water 2|Water 2|||56|57|57|57{{sup/6|XY}} 52{{sup/6|ORAS}}|52}}
{{Moveentry/7|383|Groudon|type=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||60|60{{sup/4|DPPt}} 75{{sup/4|HGSS}}|75|75{{sup/6|XY}} 65{{sup/6|ORAS}}|65}}
{{Moveentry/7|413G|Wormadam|type=Bug|type2=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||||47|47|47|47|form=Sandy Cloak}}
{{Moveentry/7|449|Hippopotas|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||50|50|50|50}}
{{Moveentry/7|450|Hippowdon|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||60|60|60|60}}
{{Moveentry/7|529|Drilbur|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|||||47|47|47}}
{{Moveentry/7|530|Excadrill|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field|||||62|62|62}}
{{Moveentry/7|618|Stunfisk|type=Ground|type2=Electric|2|Water 1|Amorphous|||||61|1, 61|1, 61}}
{{Moveentry/7|645|Landorus|type=Ground|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||||67|1, 67|1, 61}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|7}}

===By {{pkmn|breeding}}===
{{Movehead/Breed|Ground|2}}
{{Moveentry/6|131|Lapras|type=Water|type2=Ice|2|Monster|Water 1|||✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Chain breeding in Gen IV}}
{{Moveentry/6|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Breed from purified Snorlax in Gen III; chain breeding in Gen IV, V and VI}}
{{Moveentry/6|220|Swinub|type=Ice|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|231|Phanpy|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|320|Wailmer|type=Water|2|Field|Water 2||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|324|Torkoal|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|363|Spheal|type=Ice|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|410|Shieldon|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Chain breeding}}
{{Moveentry/6|422|Shellos|type=Water|2|Water 1|Amorphous|||✔|✔|✔|✔|note=Chain breeding in Gen IV}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|6}}

===By [[TM]]===
{{Movehead/TM|Ground|1|TM27|no|no|no|no|no|no}}
{{Moveentry/7|006|Charizard|type=Fire|type2=Flying|2|Monster|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|009|Blastoise|type=Water|2|Monster|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|023|Ekans|type=Poison|2|Field|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|024|Arbok|type=Poison|2|Field|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|027|Sandshrew|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|028|Sandslash|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|031|Nidoqueen|type=Poison|type2=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|034|Nidoking|type=Poison|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|050|Diglett|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|051|Dugtrio|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|061|Poliwhirl|type=Water|1|Water 1|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|062|Poliwrath|type=Water|type2=Fighting|1|Water 1|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|066|Machop|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|067|Machoke|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|068|Machamp|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|074|Geodude|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|075|Graveler|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|076|Golem|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|079|Slowpoke|type=Water|type2=Psychic|2|Monster|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|080|Slowbro|type=Water|type2=Psychic|2|Monster|Water 1|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|095|Onix|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|104|Cubone|type=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|105|Marowak|type=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|108|Lickitung|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|111|Rhyhorn|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|112|Rhydon|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|115|Kangaskhan|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|128|Tauros|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/7|151|Mew|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔||||}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|7}}

===Special move===
====[[Generation III]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Ground}}
{{Moveentry/1|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|[[Purification|Purified]] [[Shadow Pokémon]]{{sup/ss|XD}}}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|1}}

====[[Generation V]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Ground}}
{{Moveentry/1|324|Torkoal|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Rugged Mountain}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|363|Spheal|type=Ice|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Field|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Icy Cave}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|410|Shieldon|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Monster|Monster|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Icy Cave}}}}
{{Movefoot|Ground|1}}

==In other games==
===[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series]]===
Fissure will cause a Pokémon to instantly faint through "calamitous damage" (changed to "It's a one-hit KO!" in Gates to Infinity), regardless of level, but is prone to missing.

===Description===
{{movedesc|Ground}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevmd|RB}}|Defeats the target in one shot--if it hits. It has no effect on a flying foe.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevmd|SMD}}|The enemy will faint instantly if this attack hits, but it's hard to land this move. It has no effect on Flying-type Pokémon or Pokémon with the Levitate Ability.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=ground|exp=yes|gen=The user opens up a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in.|image1=Ash Tauros Fissure preparation.png|image1p=Preparing to use Fissure|image2=Ash Tauros Fissure.png|image2p=Tauros|image3=AJ Sandshrew Fissure.png|image3p=Sandshrew|image4=Groudon Fissure.png|image4p=Groudon}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=027|pkmn=Sandshrew|method=Sandshrew jumps into the air, then dives onto the ground, creating a fissure as it lands.}}
{{movemid|type=ground|user=A.J.|user1=A.J.'s Sandshrew|startcode=EP008|startname=The Path to the Pokémon League|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=128|pkmn=Tauros|method=Tauros rattles the battlefield with its hooves, then uses one of its hooves to slice open the ground with a white energy beam.}}
{{movemid|type=ground|user=Ash's Tauros|startcode=EP111|startname=Hello, Pummelo!}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=383|pkmn=Groudon|method=Groudon slams its arm into the ground and it sends a white energy beam from it at the opponent.}}
{{movebtm|type=ground|user=Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime#Groudon|user1=Groudon (anime)|startcode=AG098|startname=The Scuffle of Legends}}

==In the manga==
===In The Electric Tale of Pikachu manga===
{{Movemanga|type=Ground|exp=yes|gen=The user opens a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in. The target instantly faints if it hits.|image1=Oak Sandshrew Fissure EToP.png|image1p=Sandshrew}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=027|pkmn=Sandshrew|method=Sandshrew jumps into the air and faces its head down at the ground. It then waves its arm at the ground and an energy beam shoots down from the sky and hits the ground. When the beam of energy hits the ground, an orb of energy appears by the ground.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=ground|user=Professor Oak (anime)|user1=Professor Oak's Sandshrew|startcode=ET10|startname=Clefairy in Space!|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{Movemanga|type=Ground|exp=yes|gen=The user opens a fissure in the ground and drops the foe in. The target instantly faints if it hits.|image1=Giovanni Rhydon Fissure Adventures.png|image1p=Rhydon}}
{{movep|type=ground|ms=112|pkmn=Rhydon|method=Rhydon cracks open a fissure in the ground, trapping the opponent inside of it.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=ground|user=Giovanni (Adventures)|user1=Giovanni's Rhydon|startcode=PS038|startname=Long Live the Nidoqueen!?|notes=Debut}}

==In other generations==
===Core series games===
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|genI=Fissure I
|genII=Fissure II
|genIII=Fissure III
|genIV=Fissure DPPt
}}
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|HGSS=Fissure HGSS
|genV=Fissure V
|genVI=Fissure VI
}}

===Side series games===
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|Stad=Fissure Stad
|Stad2=Fissure Stad2
|Colo=Fissure Colo
|XD=Fissure XD
}}

{{movegen
|type=Ground
|PBR=Fissure PBR
}}

===Spin-off series games===
{{movegen
|type=Ground
|PMDRB=Fissure PMD RB
}}

==Trivia==
* Due to the {{wp|2004 Chuetsu earthquake}}, this move, alongside {{m|Earthquake}} and {{m|Magnitude}}, have not been seen in the anime since [[AG101 (unaired)]] (which has never aired anywhere in the world).
* After defeating [[Giovanni]] at the [[Viridian Gym]] in {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, he mentions that he made the [[TM27]] that teaches Fissure in [[Generation I]].
* In {{game|Yellow}}, a game based on the anime, there is a {{tc|Youngster}} on {{rt|9|Kanto}}. This Trainer solely uses a level 24 {{p|Sandshrew}} that has the move {{m|Fissure}}, much like[[A.J.]]'s Sandshrew in the anime.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{ground color}}|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|zh_yue=地裂 ''{{tt|Deihliht|Fissure}}''
|zh_cmn=地裂 ''{{tt|Dìliè|Fissure}}''
|nl=Kloof
|fi=Lohkaisu
|fr=Abîme
|cs=Štěrbinový útok Práskavý útok
|de=Geofissur
|el=Ρήγμα
|it=Abisso
|ko=땅가르기 ''Ttang Gareugi''
|pl=Rozpadlina Szczelinowe Uderzenie ([[EP008]])
|pt_br=Fissura (manga) Ruptura (anime)
|pt_eu=Fissura
|sr=Procep
|es=Fisura
|sv=Klyvanfall
|vi=Nứt Đất
}}
{{-}}
{{OHKO|Ground}}
{{-}}
{{Generation I TMs}}
{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Moves that can hit semi-invulnerable Pokémon]]
[[Category:One-hit knockout moves]]
[[Category:Moves that can jam]]
[[Category:Moves learned by purification]]

[[de:Geofissur]]
[[es:Fisura]]
[[fr:Abîme]]
[[it:Abisso]]
[[ja:じわれ]]
[[zh:地裂（招式）]]

Pokémon Yellow Version

2018-10-18T22:10:16Z

Malzagath: /* Gameplay changes */ The Eeveelution is determined otherwise, see also https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game)/Yellow

{{Infobox game | colorscheme=yellow|bordercolorscheme=yellow
|name=Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition
|jname=ポケットモンスター　ピカチュウ
|boxart=Yellow EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Yellow Version's boxart, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Pikachu}}.
|jbox=Yellow JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters: Pikachu
|platform=[[Game Boy]] (enhanced for the [[Super Game Boy]] in all releases and for the [[Game Boy Color]] outside of Japan), [[Nintendo 3DS]] ([[Virtual Console]])
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]] (Game Boy) 3DS Wireless (3DS [[Virtual Console]])
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation I]] [[core series]]
|cero=A (3DS VC)
|esrb=E
|acb=G (Game Boy) PG (3DS VC)
|oflc=G8+
|pegi=12
|gsrr=6+ (3DS VC)
|release_date_ja=September 12, 1998 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-pikachu/ {{j|ポケットモンスターピカチュウ}} | {{j|ポケットモンスターオフィシャルサイト}}]</ref><ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apsj/ {{j|ポケットモンスターピカチュウ}}]</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_na=October 18, 1999 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000621205847/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/100499.html PHENOMENON CONTINUES WITH NINTENDO'S POKéMON YELLOW VERSION: SPECIAL PIKACHU EDITION™] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000302052202/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/110199.html NINTENDO'S LATEST POKéMON GAME SMASHES COMPANY SALES RECORD] (archive)</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_au=September 3, 1999 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000614202450/http://www.nintendo.com.au/games/gameboy/games/pokemon_yellow.html Nintendo - Nintendo 64 Games]</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_eu=June 16, 2000 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ Pokémon™ Yellow Special Pikachu Edition | Video Games | Pokemon.com] (UK)</ref><ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Game-Boy/Pokemon-Yellow-Version-266142.html Pokémon Yellow Version | Game Boy | Games | Nintendo]</ref> February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_hk=February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|release_date_tw=February 27, 2016 (3DS VC)
|website_ja=[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-pikachu/ The Pokémon Company] (Game Boy) [https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/VCAMAP/ The Pokémon Company] (Virtual Console) [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apsj/ Nintendo] (Game Boy) [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/titles/50010000038655 Nintendo] (Virtual Console)
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ The Pokémon Company International] (Game Boy & Virtual Console) [https://web.archive.org/web/20071101085051/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-319 Nintendo] (Game Boy, needs {{wp|Adobe Flash Player|Flash Player}}) [https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition-3ds Nintendo] (Virtual Console)
}}
{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Yellow}}

'''Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　ピカチュウ}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Pikachu''), often known as '''Pokémon Yellow Version''', is the third Pokémon game for [[Game Boy]] released worldwide, as a [[core series|solitary version]] of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]]. In Japan, the game was the fourth Pokémon game released, as a second solitary version of {{game|Red and Green|s|Pocket Monsters Red & Green}}. Unlike other games, Pokemon Yellow was inspired by the {{pkmn|anime}}.

Similar to Red and Blue, Yellow arrived towards the end of the Game Boy's lifespan. It managed, though, to receive the title of second best-selling non-bundled game for its console, losing only to its predecessors.

On November 12, 2015, a [[Nintendo Direct]] announced that Yellow will be released in Japan, North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand on February 27, 2016, the [[Pokémon 20th Anniversary]], for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]].

[[Generation VII]] games heavily inspired by Pokémon Yellow, titled [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]], are slated to be released worldwide for [[Nintendo Switch]] in November 2018, two months after Yellow's 20th anniversary in Japan.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
Much like in other [[Generation I]] games, players start their journey across Kanto from their hometown, Pallet Town, eventually defeating the eight Gym Leaders and the Elite Four. Unlike other games, the player starts off with a {{p|Pikachu}} and the rival with an {{p|Eevee}}.

[[Team Rocket]] battles feature yet another special, anime-based surprise, as [[Jessie]] and [[James]] show up, along with their Pokémon, {{TP|Jessie|Ekans}}, {{TP|James|Koffing}}, and {{MTR}}. Beyond these changes, the plot of Yellow is very similar to that of the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} and {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}} as well as of the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}.

==Blurb==
You've finally been granted your [[Pokémon Trainer's license]], and now you're on your way to becoming the world's greatest Pokémon Trainer! The shockingly-cute {{p|Pikachu}} [[walking Pokémon|tags along]] behind {{Player|you}} as you search the enormous world for monsters to train and evolve. Face off against {{p|Blastoise}}'s torrential water cannons. Stand strong when facing {{p|Pidgeot}}'s stormy {{m|Gust}}. Develop the ultimate Pokémon strategy to defeat the eight [[Gym Leader]]s and become the greatest [[Pokémon Master]] of all time!

==Changes from Red, Green, and Blue==
===Aesthetic changes===
* The front Pokémon sprites have all been updated to resemble how they appear in their then-current [[Ken Sugimori]] artwork usually used in promotional images and strategy guides for the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}}, {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}}, and the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, as well as some of them resembling how they appear in the {{pkmn|anime}}. However, the back sprites are the same as the previous games.
* Some {{pkmn|Trainer}} sprites were also redone. {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} now better resemble their stock artwork for [[Generation I]], as the Pokémon sprites do. [[Brock]] wears an outfit like his {{an|Brock|anime counterpart}}'s and [[Misty]]'s bikini was changed to a shirt and shorts similar to those worn by {{an|Misty|her counterpart}}.
* [[Blaine]] has a different overworld sprite, this time clearly showing him wearing glasses.
* [[Giovanni]] uses a {{p|Persian}} in the battle at the [[Viridian Gym]], referencing the anime {{an|Giovanni}} owning a Persian.
* All policemen were recast as [[Officer Jenny]]s and all [[Pokémon Center Nurse]]s were recast as [[Nurse Joy]]s (attended by a {{p|Chansey}}).
* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Sandshrew}}, {{p|Oddish}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Clefairy}} receive new overworld sprites. Pikachu also receives a unique icon on the [[party]] screen.
* [[Kanto]] is slightly redesigned a second time, featuring different designs for doors, signposts, windows, and other minor elements.
* Enhanced compatibility with the [[Game Boy Color]] is present outside of Japan, providing color palette changes as the player switches locations, whereas the Japanese version is similar to the previous [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games in that it only has [[Super Game Boy]] support.
** The Super Game Boy palettes used for the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} sprites are also lighter.

===Location changes===
* In some locations, Trainers who reference characters from the anime replace previous Trainers.
** On {{rt|6|Kanto}}, a {{tc|Camper|Jr. Trainer♂}} and {{tc|Picnicker|Jr. Trainer♀}} are changed to reference [[Joe (EP009)|Joe]] and [[Giselle]].
** On {{rt|9|Kanto}}, a {{tc|Camper|Jr. Trainer♂}} was replaced with a {{tc|Youngster}} to reference [[A.J.]]
* Two extra trainers (a {{tc|Lass}} and another {{tc|Bug Catcher}}) were added in [[Viridian Forest]].
* The Summer Beach House, where [[Pikachu's Beach]] can be played, was added to {{rt|19|Kanto}}.
* In the [[Cinnabar Gym]], the player must now take the quiz machines' quiz before they can battle the Trainer stationed nearby.
* The [[Bicycle]] theme does not play on {{rt|23|Kanto}} and in {{ka|Victory Road}}.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] has a completely different layout.
* Changes were made to the locations and availability of Pokémon.
** Some changes may have been made to reinforce the anime-based setting.
*** {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Raichu}} are removed from all availability in the wild, leaving only the player's starter Pikachu (who cannot evolve).
*** In the anime, {{Ash}} catches a {{p|Caterpie}} and a {{p|Pidgeotto}} in [[Viridian Forest]]. In the game, though both {{p|Caterpie}} and {{p|Weedle}} were available in previous games, only Caterpie is now. {{p|Pidgey}} and {{p|Pidgeotto}} are also both added to Viridian Forest.
*** The player can now also obtain all three of the original [[Kanto]] [[starter Pokémon]] (at [[Cerulean City]], {{rt|24|Kanto}}, and [[Vermilion City]]), just like Ash in the anime.
*** The Pokémon that {{TRT}} uses ({{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Meowth}}, and their evolutions) are no longer available to be caught in the wild.
** [[In-game trade]]s are changed to different Pokémon, and two trades are removed from the game.
** {{p|Farfetch'd}} and {{p|Lickitung}}, previously available only through in-game trades, now appear as [[wild Pokémon]].
** {{p|Abra}}, previously available on the routes north of [[Cerulean City]], has now been relocated to the four routes surrounding [[Saffron City]].
* A trash can was added next to the table at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]].

===Gameplay changes===
* {{p|Pikachu}} is the only [[starter Pokémon]] the {{player}} can choose and [[Walking Pokémon|travels with the player]] on-screen, outside of a [[Poké Ball]] like [[Ash's Pikachu]]. It will also [[cry]] like Ash's Pikachu in the anime, with its cries now voiced by [[Ikue Ohtani]].
** This Pikachu cannot be [[Evolution|evolved]] or {{pkmn2|released}}.
* The {{ga|Blue|rival}} starts with {{p|Eevee}}. He will eventually have a different team based around one of Eevee's evolutions depending on how the player fares in the first two battles with the rival (the second being optional), at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] and {{rt|22|Kanto}}.
** If the player wins both, Eevee evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}.
** If the player wins at the lab and loses or skips at Route 22, Eevee evolves into {{p|Flareon}}.
** If the player loses at the lab, Eevee evolves into {{p|Vaporeon}}.
* A minimal [[friendship]] system is implemented to track how Pikachu feels about the player.
* [[Gym Leader]]s have different teams, some based on those that appear in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
* [[Level]]-up learnsets and [[TM]] compatibility are altered slightly for certain Pokémon. {{p|Charizard}}, for example, can now learn {{m|Fly}} via [[HM02]].
* Support is added for the [[Game Boy Printer]].
* If the player does not have {{PDollar}}500, they can still enter the {{safari|Kanto}}. The player will have to pay any money they do have and will receive a number of Safari Balls proportional to the amount paid (but at least one).
* {{m|Kinesis}} is given to {{p|Kadabra}} as its [[signature move]]. In the previous games, {{m|Kinesis}} was never used and the only way it might appear would be if randomly called by {{m|Metronome}}.
* A new mode, "Colosseum 2", was added to the [[Pokémon Center#Generation I|Cable Club]].
* The [[Viridian City]] [[Poké Mart]] now sells [[Potion]]s. The NPC complaining about Potions not being sold in Pokémon Red and Blue now states that the Mart finally sells Potions again.

===Storyline changes===
* The chain of events leading to the player obtaining the starter is slightly different:
** The player now takes one step further into the [[tall grass]] before [[Professor Oak]] comes along. Now himself standing in the tall grass, Oak encounters a wild Pikachu and immediately catches it before leading the player back to his laboratory.
** Instead of giving the player and {{ga|Blue}} the choice between {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}}, Professor Oak tells player to take the single [[Poké Ball]] on his desk, containing {{p|Eevee}}, but Blue shoves the player out of the way and takes the Poké Ball instead. Oak then gives the player the only Pokémon he has on hand: the Pikachu he has caught before, which, after the first battle against Blue, immediately breaks free from its Poké Ball and follows the player on foot from this point onward.
* The {{ka|old man}} in [[Viridian City]] now must be spoken to before going to [[Viridian Forest]]. He attempts to demonstrate how to catch a Pokémon, fails and leaves to get more Poké Balls from the Viridian [[Poké Mart]]. The player can visit the Poké Mart to ask him to repeat the tutorial.
* [[Jessie]] and [[James]] appear throughout the game, replacing Grunts from the previous games in four different places. They are involved in [[Team Rocket]]'s scheme and are typically found before a battle with [[Giovanni]]. Though they are named "Rocket" like any {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}, they have distinct overworld and in-battle sprites.

===Pokémon unobtainable in Yellow===
The following Pokémon are not obtainable in Yellow. In order to obtain any of the below Pokémon, they must be traded from one of the previous [[Generation I]] games, or from the [[Generation II]] games, which has that Pokémon available, which will be indicated.

Note that "'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''" indicates a Pokémon that can be caught in the {{game|Red and Green|s|Japanese Green}}, and thus in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Blue}} as well. "'''{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''" indicates a Pokémon obtainable in the {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}}.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#{{yellow color}}; border:5px solid #{{yellow color light}}"
|-
! Yellow
|-
|
{| border="1" style="background:white; border:1px solid #{{yellow color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentry|013|Weedle|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|014|Kakuna|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|023|Ekans|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|024|Arbok|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|026|Raichu|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|052|Meowth|1|Normal||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|053|Persian|1|Normal||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|124|Jynx|2|Ice|Psychic|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|126|Magmar|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''}}
|}
|}

==Differences in the Virtual Console release==
{| style="{{roundy|20px}}; float:right; text-align:center; border: 2px solid #{{yellow color dark}}; background: #{{yellow color}}"
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}}; border: 2px solid #{{psychic color dark}}; background: #{{ice color}}; width:80px; padding:5px"|
[[File:Spr 1y 124.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}}; border: 2px solid #{{psychic color dark}}; background: #{{ice color}}; width:80px; padding:5px"|
[[File:Spr 1y 124 vc.png]]
|- style="font-size: 80%"
| {{pcolor|Jynx|000}}'s original sprite (GBC mode)
| {{pcolor|Jynx|000}}'s recolored Virtual Console sprite
|}
The Nintendo 3DS [[Virtual Console]] releases can [[#Connectivity|link]] with other Virtual Console Generation I and II core series games via Nintendo 3DS wireless communication, simulating the [[Game Link Cable]]. When initiating a link, the Virtual Console menu on the touch screen replaces the Cable Club attendant's dialogue. Additionally, all of the [[Game Boy Printer]] features are disabled, although the option still appears in the PC menu: when selected, the game acts as if the printing is in progress, even though, in reality, nothing is happening.

Using [[Poké Transporter]], Pokémon can be sent from the Generation I core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]], and from Pokémon Bank, they can then be moved to [[Generation VII]] core series games.

The moves {{m|Blizzard}}, {{m|Bubble Beam|BubbleBeam}}, {{m|Confusion}}, {{m|Dream Eater}}, {{m|Explosion}}, {{m|Guillotine}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}}, {{m|Mega Kick}}, {{m|Mega Punch}}, {{m|Psychic}}, {{m|Reflect}}, {{m|Rock Slide}}, {{m|Self-Destruct|Selfdestruct}}, {{m|Spore}}, and {{m|Thunderbolt}} had their animations changed slightly to tone down the flashing.

In the Western language releases, which are emulated in [[Game Boy Color]] mode, {{p|Jynx}}'s sprite has been replaced to match its current design, as the original had previously fell under controversy for its resemblance to {{wp|blackface}}. The Japanese release is emulated in [[Game Boy]] mode, which is monochromatic, so no change was made.

The requirement for the [[Pikachu's Beach]] minigame is now {{ga|Red's Pikachu|the starter Pikachu}} instead of {{DL|Pikachu variants|Surfing Pikachu}}.

==Connectivity==
Players may [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges or battle with another cartridge using a [[Game Boy]] [[Game Link Cable]]. To take full advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to other Generation I games and others require trading to evolve, making trading necessary to complete the [[Pokédex]]. The Japanese version can trade and battle with Japanese versions of {{game|Red and Green|s|Pokémon Red, Green}}, {{v2|Blue| (Japanese)}}, and Yellow; the Western versions can trade and battle with Western versions of {{game|Red and Blue|s|Pokémon Red, Blue}}, and Yellow. It can also trade with {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} via the [[Time Capsule]]. Pokémon Yellow is completely incompatible with games from [[Generation III]] onward.

Trades between Pokémon games in different languages are possible; however, a Japanese game cannot connect with a non-Japanese game without causing corruption. This is due to the fact that the games cannot automatically translate the Pokémon data from Japanese to a different language or vice versa, since neither game fully [[Character encoding in Generation I|encodes]] both {{wp|kana}} and the {{wp|Latin alphabet}} (only encoding one fully and the other partially). If a battle between a Japanese game and a non-Japanese game is attempted, the battle simply does not work, with the save files left unharmed.

Pokémon Yellow is compatible with the Japan-exclusive {{jap|Pokémon Stadium}}, Western {{eng|Pokémon Stadium|Stadium}}, and {{pkmn|Stadium 2}}. While link battles are not possible directly between Pokémon Yellow and the Generation II games, a player may challenge a Generation II game using Pokémon Stadium 2.

Pokémon Yellow is also compatible with the [[Game Boy Printer]]. It is possible to print Pokédex entries, the [[Diploma]], [[Pokémon Storage System]] Boxes, [[Party]] Pokémon, and the [[Pikachu's Beach]] high score.

===Colosseum 2===
Yellow debuted a new link battle mode, Colosseum 2. In Colosseum 2, players can select from several battle modes:
* [[Pika Cup]] (for Pokémon between [[level]]s 15 to 20 only; their combined level limit is 50)
* [[Petit Cup]] (for Pokémon between levels 25 to 30, with a height no more than 6'07" (2 m), and weight no more than 44.1 lbs. (20 kg) only)
* [[Poké Cup]] (for Pokémon between levels 50 to 55 only, and the sum of all entered Pokémon's Levels cannot exceed 155; {{p|Mew}} is not allowed).
These three cups would later become standard cups in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}} (known as Pokémon Stadium 2 in Japan).

In addition, in the Japanese versions, {{m|Blizzard}}'s chance to {{status|freeze}} in Colosseum 2 is changed to 10% rather than the usual 30%. Blizzard's chance to freeze is always 10% in the [[Pokémon Stadium series]] and the Western releases of the Generation I games.

===Virtual Console===
The [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]] release uses 3DS wireless communication as a substitute for the Game Link Cable. The Virtual Console release disables [[Game Boy Printer]] compatibility. Japanese and non-Japanese Generation I core series games do not recognize each other when attempting to link them via 3DS wireless communication.

Using [[Poké Transporter]], all Pokémon in Box 1 can be sent from the Generation I core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]] (regardless of language), and from Pokémon Bank, they can then be moved to [[Generation VII]] core series games.

==Differences from the anime==
The game is loosely based on the original anime series, but has several differences:
* [[Brock]] does not surrender during the [[Pewter Gym]] battle and does not accompany the {{player}} thereafter.
* [[Misty]] is first encountered in the [[Cerulean Gym]]. In the {{pkmn|anime}}, she had left the Gym when {{Ash}} met her (the Gym was run by [[the Sensational Sisters]]). She also does not accompany the player on their journey in the game.
* {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}} are acquired from tasks. In the anime, {{AP|Charmander}} is rescued from heavy rain, {{AP|Squirtle}} merely follows Ash, and {{AP|Bulbasaur}} was caught in a formal battle.
* {{MTR}} can use {{m|Pay Day}} and does not speak in the game.

==English title==
[[File:Pokemon Yellow Version.jpg|thumb|200px|An American version game cartridge of Yellow]]
While the game's title has become widely accepted as simply ''Pokémon Yellow'', its officially recognized name outside of Japan is not entirely certain. On the boxart for most English versions, the expression ''Special Pikachu Edition'' replaces the series' then-current slogan ''[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]'' below the Pokémon logo, while ''Yellow Version'' is at the bottom, near where Red and Blue had theirs. However, the expression ''Special Pikachu Edition'' is repeated on the box's opening and spine.

Contemporaneous materials refer to the game as ''Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition'',<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000621205847/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/100499.html PHENOMENON CONTINUES WITH NINTENDO'S POKéMON YELLOW VERSION: SPECIAL PIKACHU EDITION™ | Nintendo Press Releases] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000302052202/http://www.nintendo.com/corp/press/110199.html NINTENDO'S LATEST POKéMON GAME SMASHES COMPANY SALES RECORD | Nintendo Press Releases] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/19991013114744/http://pokemon.com/games/index.html#yellow Pokémon Games | Pokémon.com] (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/19991013020010/http://www.nintendo.com/gb/gamelist.html Game Boy Color: Upcoming Games | Nintendo] (archive)</ref> or ''Pokémon Yellow'' for brevity. The instruction manual refers to the game as "the Yellow version of Pokémon", "Yellow" is one of the selectable preset names for the {{ga|Red|player character}}, and ''Yellow Version'' can be seen on the game's title screen.

ESRB classified the game under the title ''Pokémon yellow''.<ref>[https://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=4122&Title=Pokemon+yellow ESRB]</ref> The Australian Classification Board classified the game under the title ''POKEMON YELLOW''.<ref>[http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?ncdctx=FCkQCm7viLSpoubB2Pl%2bUqk4ywcYhGtIFwZYml92sndTY3DWHTTp5KpY2RCkfmf8 Classification Board]</ref> The {{wp|Canadian Intellectual Property Office}} records the copyright ''POKEMON YELLOW VERSION: SPECIAL PIKACHU EDITION''.<ref>[https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dtls.do?fileNum=405833&type=1&lang=eng Canadian Copyright Register]</ref>

[[Pokémon.com]] refers to the game as ''Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition'' in full, but ''Pokémon Yellow Version'' and ''Pokémon Yellow'' in general usage.<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ Pokémon.com - Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition]</ref> ''Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition'' is also the title used in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afo0sk9VNww Nintendo World Pokémon Series Showcase]. [[Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]] refers to the game as ''Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition'' in Pikachu's trophy description.

In the Virtual Console release, the game is referred to as ''Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition'' on the Nintendo eShop and in the manual. Like many games, it is abbreviated on the Nintendo 3DS HOME Menu, being referred to as ''Pokémon Yellow Version''.

==Version history==
===Japan===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:left; border: 3px solid #{{yellow color}}; background: #{{yellow color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Version
! Changelog
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.0
| Initial release
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.1
| Differences in the locations of internal functions, unintentional glitch differences.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.2
| Adjustments to the code in existing routines. It is unknown how this affects the game.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.3
| Fixes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4bdbEEvms a minor glitch] in which a [[Walking Pokémon|walking]] {{p|Pikachu}} can remove the walls that can usually only be removed by pushing a boulder on to a switch in [[Victory Road (Kanto)|Victory Road]], except for one wall in 3F. The glitch may occur when the player has the walking Pikachu stand on the switch, rather than pushing the boulder on to the switch.
|}
===International===
Only one known version of each international language version was released.

==Development==
{{main|Pokémon Yellow beta}}

==Reception==
Like {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, Yellow was also well received by the press. Like its predecessors, it received a perfect 10/10 "Masterful" rating from IGN.<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/012/012045.html IGN: Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> However, it was criticized as being "just a stopgap to help us wait for the {{game|Gold and Silver|s|real sequels}}".<ref>[http://reviews.cnet.com/legacy-game-platforms/pokemon-yellow-game-boy/4505-9882_7-30965879-2.html?tag=txt;page Pokemon Yellow (Game Boy) Legacy game platform reviews - CNET Reviews] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Yellow received a slightly lower average score than Red and Blue of about 85% on GameRankings. Despite this, it was the site's top rated [[Game Boy]] game in the year of its release, 1999.<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/198314-pokemon-yellow-version-special-pikachu-edition/index.html Pokemon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition for Game Boy] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Game Boy: Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection CD}}
The soundtrack for {{game2|Red|Green|Blue}} and {{game|Red and Blue|s}} also applies to Pokémon Yellow. However, Yellow added three tracks that are absent from the official soundtrack, which precedes the release of Yellow by ten months. These additional tracks were also composed by [[Junichi Masuda]].

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Yellow}}

==Flyers==
Dated August 3, 1998 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/ source])
<gallery>
Y flyer front.jpg|Front
Y flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* The game's Japanese release date of September 12, 1998 was intentionally timed to coincide with the release of a movie, being released two months after [[M01]].<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/ipkj/vol1/index2.html {{j|社長が訊く『ポケットモンスターハートゴールド・ソウルシルバー』}}]</ref><ref>[https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/1 Iwata Asks : Pokémon HeartGold Version & SoulSilver Version : The King Of Portable Toys]</ref>
** As such, it came out in Japan before the [[Game Boy Color]], which was not released until October 21, 1998.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/hardware/color/ {{j|ゲームボーイカラー}}]</ref> This explains the lack of Game Boy Color support in the Japanese versions, with the game using a yellow palette by default when played on a Game Boy Color, [[Game Boy Advance]], [[Game Boy Advance SP]], or [[Game Boy Player]], much like the red, green, and blue palettes respectively used by {{game|Red and Green|s|Pokémon Red, Green,}} and {{v2|Blue| (Japanese)}}.
** Pokémon Yellow was also announced and released after [[Game Freak]] postponed {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, which were originally set to come out in March 1998.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n12/swgbsoft/swgb03.html {{j|SPACEWORLD'97 出展　GAME BOYソフト}}]</ref> Instead, [[Pokémon Pikachu]] came out that month.
** The special Pikachu Yellow model of the [[Game Boy Printer]] was also exclusively released in Japan on September 12, 1998.<ref>[http://maru-chang.com/hard/gb/ {{j|DMG/MGB/CGB：ゲームボーイ}}]</ref><ref>[http://www.geocities.jp/hagane0772/rekisi.html {{j|ポケモンの歴史}}]</ref>
* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, which reimplemented the [[walking Pokémon]] mechanic that was introduced in Yellow, were released in Japan exactly 11 years after Yellow was released in Japan.
* The two available starter Pokémon of this game, {{p|Pikachu}} ({{ga|Red|player}}) and {{p|Eevee}} ({{ga|Blue|rival}}), are the only Pokémon introduced prior to [[Generation V]] to evolve with a [[Thunder Stone|Thunderstone]].
* Out of all the [[core series]] [[Generation I]] games, this is the only one where {{p|Lickitung}} and {{p|Farfetch'd}} can be caught in the wild; in the Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}} and {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Blue}} as well as in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Red and Blue}}, these Pokémon are only available by means of an [[in-game trade]].
* It is the only localized game prior to [[Generation III]] to lack the [[Gotta catch 'em all!|slogan]] below the Pokémon logo.
* This is the only core series game influenced heavily by the anime.
* Pikachu had its [[cry]] changed to that of its anime counterpart for this game. [[Junichi Masuda]] details the modification of [[Ikue Ohtani]]'s voice to a sound capable of being made by the low-tech [[Game Boy]] in his [https://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=144 Director's Column]. However, Pikachu's original cry was used in some parts of the game.
* Prior to the Virtual Console release announcement, [[Pokémon.com]] listed Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow with a PEGI rating of 3.<ref>[http://archive.is/8EFqK Pokémon™ Yellow Special Pikachu Edition | Video Games | Pokemon.com] (archive)</ref>
* The boxarts for [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]], Pokémon Yellow and [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Pokémon Silver]] are the only three instances where the English ''Pokémon'' logo is shown partially covered by some element (in this case, Pikachu's ears).

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{Yellow color}}|bordercolor={{Yellow color light}}
|ja={{tt|ポケットモンスター　ピカチュウ|Pocket Monsters Pikachu}}
|fr=Pokémon Version Jaune: Edition Spéciale Pikachu
|de=Pokémon Gelbe Edition: Special Pikachu Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Gialla: Speciale Edizione Pikachu
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 피카츄|Pocket Monsters Pikachu}}
|pt_br=Pokémon Versão Amarela: Edição Especial Pikachu
|es=Pokémon Edición Amarilla: Edición Especial Pikachu
}}

==See also==
* {{appendix|Yellow walkthrough}}

==External links==
* [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/6437256808907399718/6437256808907399721 Miiverse - Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow Version Community]

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Yellow|*]]
[[Category:Third versions]]
[[Category:Virtual Console games]]
[[Category:Nintendo 3DS games]]

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Blue (game)/Yellow

2018-10-18T17:47:08Z

Malzagath: I've had two different playthroughs today where I lost at the lab and won the battle on Route 22, the end result still was a Vaporeon. It seems implausible that such a basic fact would be wrong on Bulbapedia, but I dare more respected admins to fact-check

This is a list of the teams of {{ga|Blue|the rival}} in {{game|Yellow}}. As this game uses non-traditional [[starter Pokémon]], the rival will start with {{p|Eevee}}. Eevee will [[evolution|evolve]] into {{p|Vaporeon}}, {{p|Flareon}}, or {{p|Jolteon}}, depending on the results of two early battles against the {{player}}: the first battle at [[Professor Oak]]'s [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|lab]] in [[Pallet Town]] and the optional second battle on {{rt|22|Kanto}}.

* {{p|Vaporeon}}: The player loses against the rival at the lab and either wins, loses or skips the battle on Route 22.
* {{p|Flareon}}: The player wins against the rival at the lab and either loses or skips the battle on Route 22.
* {{p|Jolteon}}: The player wins against the rival at both locations.

==First battle==
{{party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 1.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}175
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1
}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=5
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Second battle (optional)==
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 1.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}280
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Kanto Route 22
|locationname=Route 22
|pokemon=2
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=021
|pokemon=Spearow
|level=9
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|move1=Peck
|move1type=Flying
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal}}|
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=8
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Third battle==
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 1.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}595
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Cerulean City
|pokemon=4
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=021
|pokemon=Spearow
|level=18
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|move1=Peck
|move1type=Flying
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fury Attack
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=027
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|level=15
|type1=Ground
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack
|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=019
|pokemon=Rattata
|level=15
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=17
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Fourth battle==
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}1300
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4
}}
|{{Pokémon/1|game=Yellow
|ndex=021
|pokemon=Spearow
|level=19
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Peck|move1type=Flying
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal
|move3=Leer|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fury Attack|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1|game=Yellow
|ndex=019
|pokemon=Rattata
|level=16
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1|game=Yellow
|ndex=027
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|level=18
|type1=Ground
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Slash|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=20
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Sand-Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Growl|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Fifth battle==
{{MSP|133|Eevee}} → {{MSP|134|Vaporeon}} If {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into {{p|Vaporeon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1625
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Pokémon Tower
|pokemon=5
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=022
|pokemon=Fearow
|level=25
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|move1=Mirror Move
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Attack
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=037
|pokemon=Vulpix
|gender=
|level=23
|ability=
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Roar
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=22
|type1=Electric
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=SonicBoom
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Special}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=027
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|level=20
|type1=Ground
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Sand-Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=25
|type1=Normal
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Growl
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|133|Eevee}} → {{MSP|135|Jolteon}} If {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into {{p|Jolteon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1625
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Pokémon Tower
|pokemon=5
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=022
|pokemon=Fearow
|level=25
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|move1=Mirror Move
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Attack
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=090
|pokemon=Shellder
|level=23
|type1=Water
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Clamp
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=037
|pokemon=Vulpix
|gender=
|level=22
|ability=
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Roar
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=027
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|level=20
|type1=Ground
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Sand-Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=25
|type1=Normal
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Growl
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|133|Eevee}} → {{MSP|136|Flareon}} If {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into {{p|Flareon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1625
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Pokémon Tower
|pokemon=5
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=022
|pokemon=Fearow
|level=25
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|move1=Mirror Move
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Attack
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=23
|type1=Electric
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=SonicBoom
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=090
|pokemon=Shellder
|level=22
|type1=Water
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Clamp
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=027
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|level=20
|type1=Ground
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Sand-Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=25
|type1=Normal
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Growl
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Sixth battle==
{{MSP|134|Vaporeon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Vaporeon}}:
{{party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}2600
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Silph Co.
|pokemon=5
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=38
|type1=Ground
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35
|type1=Electric
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=SonicBoom|move2type=Normal
|move3=ThunderShock|move3type=Electric
|move4=Supersonic|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=37
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Roar|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Confusion|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=134
|pokemon=Vaporeon
|level=40
|type1=Water
|move1=Water Gun|move1type=Water
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Bite|move3type=Normal
|move4=Aurora Beam|move4type=Ice}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|135|Jolteon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Jolteon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}2600
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Silph Co.
|pokemon=5
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=38
|type1=Ground
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=35
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Roar|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=37
|type1=Water|type2=Ice
|move1=Withdraw|move1type=Water
|move2=Supersonic|move2type=Normal
|move3=Clamp|move3type=Water
|move4=Aurora Beam|move4type=Ice}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Confusion|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=135
|pokemon=Jolteon
|level=40
|type1=Electric
|move1=ThunderShock|move1type=Electric
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Double Kick|move3type=Fighting
|move4=Pin Missile|move4type=Bug}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|136|Flareon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Flareon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}2600
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Silph Co.
|pokemon=5
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=38
|type1=Ground
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=35
|type1=Water|type2=Ice
|move1=Withdraw|move1type=Water
|move2=Supersonic|move2type=Normal
|move3=Clamp|move3type=Water
|move4=Aurora Beam|move4type=Ice}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37
|type1=Electric
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=SonicBoom|move2type=Normal
|move3=ThunderShock|move3type=Electric
|move4=Supersonic|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Confusion|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=136
|pokemon=Flareon
|level=40
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Bite|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Spin|move4type=Fire}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Seventh battle==
{{MSP|134|Vaporeon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Vaporeon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3445
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Kanto Route 22
|locationname=Route 22
|pokemon=6
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=47
|type1=Ground
|move1=Slash
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Swift
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fury Swipes
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Poison Sting
|move4type=Poison}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=102
|pokemon=Exeggcute
|level=45
|type1=Grass
|type2=Psychic
|move1=Leech Seed
|move1type=Grass
|move2=Stun Spore
|move2type=Grass
|move3=PoisonPowder
|move3type=Poison
|move4=SolarBeam
|move4type=Grass}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=45
|type1=Electric
|move1=ThunderShock
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Supersonic
|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom
|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=47
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Roar
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=50
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psybeam
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Reflect
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Recover
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=134
|pokemon=Vaporeon
|level=53
|type1=Water
|move1=Hydro Pump
|move1type=Water
|move2=Mist
|move2type=Ice
|move3=Haze
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Acid Armor
|move4type=Poison}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|135|Jolteon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Jolteon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3445

|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Kanto Route 22
|locationname=Route 22
|pokemon=6
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=47
|type1=Ground
|move1=Slash
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Swift
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fury Swipes
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Poison Sting
|move4type=Poison}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=102
|pokemon=Exeggcute
|level=45
|type1=Grass
|type2=Psychic
|move1=Leech Seed
|move1type=Grass
|move2=Stun Spore
|move2type=Grass
|move3=PoisonPowder
|move3type=Poison
|move4=SolarBeam
|move4type=Grass}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=45
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Roar
|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=47
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|move1=Withdraw
|move1type=Water
|move2=Clamp
|move2type=Water
|move3=Supersonic
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Aurora Beam
|move4type=Ice}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=50
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psybeam
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Reflect
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Recover
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=135
|pokemon=Jolteon
|level=53
|type1=Electric
|move1=Thunder
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Pin Missile
|move3type=Bug
|move4=Agility
|move4type=Psychic}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|136|Flareon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Flareon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3445
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Kanto Route 22
|locationname=Route 22
|pokemon=6
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=47
|type1=Ground
|move1=Slash
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Swift
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fury Swipes
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Poison Sting
|move4type=Poison}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=102
|pokemon=Exeggcute
|level=45
|type1=Grass
|type2=Psychic
|move1=Leech Seed
|move1type=Grass
|move2=Stun Spore
|move2type=Grass
|move3=PoisonPowder
|move3type=Poison
|move4=SolarBeam
|move4type=Grass}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=45
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|move1=Withdraw
|move1type=Water
|move2=Clamp
|move2type=Water
|move3=Supersonic
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Aurora Beam
|move4type=Ice}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=47
|type1=Electric
|move1=ThunderShock
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2type=Electric
|move3=Supersonic
|move3type=Normal
|move4=SonicBoom
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=50
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psybeam
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Reflect
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Recover
|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=136
|pokemon=Flareon
|level=53
|type1=Fire
|move1=Flamethrower
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fire Spin
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Eighth battle ({{pkmn|Champion}})==
{{MSP|134|Vaporeon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Vaporeon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 3.png
|prize={{pdollar}}6435
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Indigo Plateau
|pokemon=6
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=61
|type1=Ground
|move1=Earthquake|move1type=Ground
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Fury Swipes|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=065
|pokemon=Alakazam
|level=59
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psybeam|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Recover|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Kinesis|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=103
|pokemon=Exeggutor
|level=61
|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic
|move1=Barrage|move1type=Normal
|move2=Hypnosis|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Stomp|move3type=Normal
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=61
|type1=Fire
|move1=Fire Spin|move1type=Fire
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=63
|type1=Electric
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Screech|move3type=Normal
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=134
|pokemon=Vaporeon
|level=65
|type1=Water
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water
|move2=Aurora Beam|move2type=Ice
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Mist|move4type=Ice}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|135|Jolteon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Jolteon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 3.png
|prize={{pdollar}}6435
|name=Blue
|game=Y
|location=Indigo Plateau
|pokemon=6
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=61
|type1=Ground
|move1=Earthquake|move1type=Ground
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Fury Swipes|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=065
|pokemon=Alakazam
|level=59
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psybeam|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Recover|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Kinesis|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=103
|pokemon=Exeggutor
|level=61
|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic
|move1=Barrage|move1type=Normal
|move2=Hypnosis|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Stomp|move3type=Normal
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=61
|type1=Water|type2=Ice
|move1=Ice Beam|move1type=Ice
|move2=Spike Cannon|move2type=Normal
|move3=Aurora Beam|move3type=Ice
|move4=Clamp|move4type=Water}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=63
|type1=Fire
|move1=Fire Spin|move1type=Fire
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=135
|pokemon=Jolteon
|level=65
|type1=Electric
|move1=Thunder|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunderbolt|move2type=Electric
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Pin Missile|move4type=Bug}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|136|Flareon}} If {{p|Eevee}} evolved into {{p|Flareon}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 3.png
|prize={{pdollar}}6435
|name=Blue
|game=Yellow
|location=Indigo Plateau
|pokemon=6
}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|level=61
|type1=Ground
|move1=Earthquake|move1type=Ground
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Fury Swipes|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=065
|pokemon=Alakazam
|level=59
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Psybeam|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Recover|move2type=Normal
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Kinesis|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=103
|pokemon=Exeggutor
|level=61
|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic
|move1=Barrage|move1type=Normal
|move2=Hypnosis|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Stomp|move3type=Normal
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=61
|type1=Electric
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Screech|move3type=Normal
|move4=Swift|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=091
|pokemon=Cloyster
|level=63
|type1=Water|type2=Ice
|move1=Ice Beam|move1type=Ice
|move2=Spike Cannon|move2type=Normal
|move3=Aurora Beam|move3type=Ice
|move4=Clamp|move4type=Water}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=136
|pokemon=Flareon
|level=65
|type1=Fire
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Reflect|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Fire Spin|move4type=Fire}}
{{Party/Footer}}

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