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EP233

2020-01-11T13:34:35Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: Removed, has been removed a few times over the years, and see talk page about why its removed

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prevtitle=Just Waiting On a Friend |
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epcode=EP233 |
colorscheme=Johto |
title_en=A Tyrogue Full of Trouble |
title_ja=バルキーとからておうノブヒコ！ |
title_ja_trans=Balkie and the Karate King Nobuhiko! |
broadcast_jp=January 24, 2002 |
broadcast_us=February 1, 2003 |
screen=yes |
en_series=Master Quest |
en_op=[[Believe in Me]] |
ja_op=[[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master|めざせポケモンマスター]] (Whiteberry) |
ja_ed=[[Face Forward Team Rocket!|前向きロケット団！]] |
olmteam=Team Ota |
scenario=藤田伸三 |
storyboard=志水淳児 |
director=石倉健一 |
art=斎藤和也 |
morecredits=yes |
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footnotes=* {{filb-eppics|pm|238}}
}}
'''A Tyrogue Full of Trouble''' (Japanese: '''バルキーとからておうノブヒコ！''' ''{{tt|Balkie|Tyrogue}} and the Karate King {{tt|Nobuhiko|Kiyo}}!'') is the 233rd episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on January 24, 2002 and in the United States on February 1, 2003.

{{spoilers}}

==Blurb==

Ash and friends chance into a Tyrogue, nearly falling victim to a ploy it lays out in an attempt to make off with all of their Pokémon food. Just as they tie things up with the Tyrogue, they learn that it is in fact not wild, but owned by a devoted student of Chuck, the Cianwood Gym leader. This student, who prides himself for his martial arts ability, explains that he is now taking his Tyrogue to an exhaustive tournament in which Fighting type Pokémon vie for the title. Meanwhile, though, he is having a terrible time disciplining his mischievous Pokémon. As if to accent this complaint, an angry local arrives, exclaiming that Tyrogue has wrought havoc in town for the last time.

==Plot==
The group emerges from a cave and spots a sitting Pokémon wearing a neckerchief. Ash checks his [[Pokédex]], which identifies the mystery Pokémon as a {{p|Tyrogue}}. {{an|Brock}} tries to give him some food, but the Tyrogue refuses the offer. As Brock checks his bag for more food, the Tyrogue swipes three containers of food and runs off with them. It sends out a call for help, and a storm of chestnuts rains down on the group. Tyrogue makes his escape while his friends, a {{p|Mankey}} and {{p|Primeape}}, leap out of a nearby tree. The Tyrogue tosses the food to them and they all climb up a cliff. {{AP|Bayleef}} is called out to assist, but her {{m|Vine Whip}} causes a rockslide. Just seconds away from getting squashed, a man followed by a {{p|Hitmonchan}} and {{p|Hitmonlee}} destroy the boulder. The trio of {{type|Fighting}}s flee the scene.

The man turns his attention to {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}}, and slides down the cliff to meet them. He figures that Ash must heading towards [[Mahogany Town]]. Ash confirms this and shows off his six [[Johto League]] [[Badge]]s. The {{Badge|Storm}} captivates the man's attention, and he is surprised that Ash defeated Master [[Chuck]]. The man introduces himself as Chuck's protégé, {{tc|Black Belt}} [[Kiyo]]. He escorts the group to his training camp, and offers them food. He explains that he is training for the [[P1 Grand Prix]] event. He says that the Tyrogue from earlier has been causing a lot of ruckus in the foothills area. A villager suddenly alerts Kiyo to another incident, this time at a farm property.

The group and Kiyo rush over to the scene where they examine the broken windows. Everyone is then forced to flee as Tyrogue and its gang have sparked a {{p|Tauros}} stampede. {{an|Misty}} realizes her {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} is about to be crushed, but Tyrogue leaps to save it before jumping back on his Tauros. Kiyo grabs the lead Tauros by the horns and pushes him backwards. Kiyo takes Togepi from Tyrogue and allows the rampaging Tauros to continue on. {{TRT}}, who has been spying on them, comes up with the idea of snatching this Tyrogue to join Team Rocket. The villagers are clearly annoyed by Tyrogue’s antics and demand that it be thrown in jail. Kiyo steps in and asks for more time to reason with Tyrogue. The villagers consider the offer and reluctantly give Kiyo some more time to settle the situation.

Later, Kiyo explains that Tyrogue appears to have issues with larger Pokémon. He informs them that Tyrogue was abandoned by his {{pkmn|Trainer}}. Kiyo recalls encountering him all tired from some intense training. He offered him some replenishing food, but Tyrogue attacked him before leaving. Kiyo admits that the abandonment has left Tyrogue's heart broken and bitter. He declares that he wants to {{pkmn|battle}} Tyrogue and compete with him in the P1 Grand Prix.

Elsewhere, Tyrogue and his group find a fruit tree and decide to get some fruit from it. The Mankey and Primeape kick the trunk and three fruits fall down. When the Tyrogue picks one up, a {{p|Hoppip}}, {{p|Skiploom}} and a {{p|Sandshrew}} stand there, wanting some fruit. So Tyrogue gives the three {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} the fruit with no trouble. Team Rocket then approaches Tyrogue and offers him the deal of a lifetime, to join Team Rocket. During the spiel, [[Jessie]] swipes the fruit out of Sandshrew's paws, which makes the Tyrogue angry. He promptly gives Jessie a beating before sending them all off into the sky. Tyrogue returns the fruit to Sandshrew before he and his gang continue their walk.

Out in the open road, Kiyo wants to prove himself to the Tyrogue in a battle. His calls are soon answered when Tyrogue accepts the challenge. Tyrogue urges Primeape and Mankey to remain on the sidelines as he takes on Kiyo's Hitmonchan. The Hitmonchan starts the fight by throwing a few {{m|Comet Punch}}es, but Tyrogue easily dodges them all. Kiyo changes tact and orders Hitmonchan to try a {{m|Mega Punch}}. Tyrogue leaps behind a rock, and lands a direct {{m|Headbutt}}s on Hitmonchan, [[fainting|knocking it out]] in one hit. Kiyo recalls Hitmonchan and tries out Hitmonlee. Hitmonlee goes for a {{m|Rolling Kick}}, but the Tyrogue merely leans back to dodge it. After recovering from the dodge, Tyrogue performs a {{m|Double Team}} and confuses the Hitmonlee. Kiyo now finds this a situation that's impossible to get out of. Finally the Tyrogue gives the Hitmonlee a Headbutt taking that Pokémon down in one shot as well.

As Tyrogue anticipates another opponent, Team Rocket swoops in and lassos him with a rope. Ash begins to pursue the Rocket balloon. Kiyo rushes passed Ash, then runs up a steep cliff before using the added height to bounce onto the balloon. He punches through the balloon, causing it to rapidly deflate. Kiyo climbs down to Tyrogue and assures him that everything will be okay. The balloon soon crashes, but Kiyo and Tyrogue drop safely to the ground below. A boulder just above them falls down and just in the nick of time, Kiyo stops it with his brute strength. He tells the Tyrogue to get out of the way, but Team Rocket comes by and prevents Tyrogue from doing so. Before Team Rocket can do anything, the group catches up and Brock sends out {{TP|Brock|Onix}}. First Onix takes care of the boulder by pushing it towards Team Rocket. Jessie and [[James]] send out {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}} and {{TP|James|Weezing}} respectively. Arbok spits outs a {{m|Poison Sting}} which Onix blocks easily. Weezing uses {{m|Sludge}}, but {{AP|Pikachu}} takes care of that with a {{m|Thunderbolt}}. Onix then {{m|Tackle}}s the Pokémon back into Team Rocket and they get blasted off again.

Back at Kiyo's pad, Kiyo challenges Tyrogue to a duel, just him and Tyrogue. Tyrogue accepts and they begin. Tyrogue attempts to go for a punch, but Kiyo easily blocks it. With that Tyrogue tries a Double Team strategy, but Kiyo simply sits down and waits for the initiative. As soon as Tyrogue comes out with the punch. Kiyo easily blocks this with his palm, before pushing Tyrogue backwards. Tyrogue rushes into a {{m|Jump Kick}}, but Kiyo grabs and tosses him to the other side. Finally Tyrogue tries to deliver yet another blow, Kiyo easily makes a counterattack and punches the Tyrogue into the pond nearby. Tyrogue soon emerges, but collapses onto his knees in defeat. The neckerchief suddenly slips off and the current moves it away. Kiyo picks up Tyrogue and brings him onto the land again. In a show of solidarity, Kiyo promises to stay with Tyrogue and ties his red armband around Tyrogue's neck as a neckerchief. Kiyo asks Tyrogue if he would like to join up with his other crew and compete in the P1 event. Tyrogue accepts the offer with a smile. Kiyo also offers Primeape and Mankey the same option, and the pair also agree. Later, the group says their goodbyes and wishes Kiyo luck in the P1 as they head off to Mahogany Town.

==Major events==
{{animeevents}}

===Debuts===
====Humans====
* [[Kiyo]]

====Pokémon debuts====
* {{p|Tyrogue}}

==Characters==
===Humans===
[[File:PMTV EP233.png|thumb|right|200px|{{tt|Pocket Monster TV|Who's That Pokémon}}]]
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Kiyo]]
* Townspeople

===Pokémon===
[[File:WTP EP233.png|thumb|200px|right|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Spinarak}} ''(US and international)'', {{p|Tyrogue}} (Kiyo's) ''(Japan)''

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Bayleef}} ({{OP|Ash|Bayleef}})
* {{p|Onix}} ({{OP|Brock|Onix}})
* {{p|Arbok}} ({{OP|Jessie|Arbok}})
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})
* {{p|Hitmonlee}} ([[Kiyo]]'s)
* {{p|Hitmonchan}} ([[Kiyo]]'s)
* {{p|Tyrogue}} ([[Kiyo]]'s; new; debut)
* {{p|Mankey}} ([[Kiyo]]'s; new)
* {{p|Primeape}} ([[Kiyo]]'s; new)
* {{p|Butterfree}}
* {{p|Sandshrew}}
* {{p|Tauros}} (multiple)
* {{p|Hoppip}}
* {{p|Skiploom}}

==Trivia==
* This episode was initially going to be called '''Fit to be Tyrogued.''' That title is still used on Pokémon.com's episode guide.
* In this episode, {{TRT}} uses a variation of their {{motto}}.
* After this episode, {{p|Tyrogue}} didn't make a physical appearance in the {{pkmn|anime}} until ''[[AG180|May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!]]''.
* Team Rocket [[Breaking the fourth wall|breaks the fourth wall]] in this episode.

===Errors===
* The [[Pokédex]] incorrectly identifies {{p|Tyrogue}} as the ''evolved'' form of {{p|Hitmonlee}} and {{p|Hitmonchan}}, when it should have said ''pre''-evolved form.
** The Pokédex entry also did not mention {{p|Hitmontop}}, despite being one of Tyrogue's evolutions along with Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan.
* Bayleef changes to a smaller size after Kiyo destroys the boulder falling near Ash, Misty and Brock.
* Kiyo instructs his Hitmonchan to use "Punch Attack", a move that doesn't exist. He, however, had been instructing him to perform a generic punch on Tyrogue.
* Hitmonchan's eye color changes as he was battling Tyrogue. At first, it was black, then blue, then blue and black.
* When Brock throws his Poké Ball and it spins, the white button on it is missing; along with the white ring.
* In one scene, [[Brock's Onix]]'s "stomach" is colored the same shade of brown as a boulder Kiyo was holding up.
* In another scene, as {{p|Mankey}}, Tyrogue, and {{p|Primeape}} are walking away from the viewer, Mankey's tail is missing.
* After Jessie and James send out their Pokémon, a part of the R on James's shirt is overlapping Jessie's sleeve, when it should be behind it.
* As Arbok uses its Poison Sting attack, part of its body is missing in the bottom left corner. This is possibly a failure to remove a portion of the animation for the scene change from the previous scene.
* When Ash runs after Tyrogue after he stole the Pokémon food, his shoes are white.
* In the end, as Ash, Misty, and Brock are walking, a glitch happens when the camera moves past Brock.
* In the Brazilian dub, Hitmonchan is mistakenly called "Hitmonchuck".
** Also in the Brazilian dub, when Mankey and Primeape appear for the first time, Misty called them both Mankey.

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EP233 error.png|R overlapping Jessie's sleeve
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===Dub edits===

==In other languages==
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|bg={{tt|Неприятности с Тайрог|Trouble with Tyrog}}
|zh_cmn={{tt|巴爾郎與空手道王信彥|Tyrogue and Karate King Kiyo}}
|de={{tt|Rabautz macht Rabatz!|Tyrogue kicks up a fuss!}}
|nl={{tt|Een Tyrogue vol Problemen|A Tyrogue full of Trouble}}
|fr_eu={{tt|Le trouble-fête|The spoilsport}}
|he=טיירוג עושה צרות {{tt|Tyrogue osé tsarot|Tyrogue is trouble}}
|it={{tt|Il potere dell'amicizia|The power of friendship}}
|pt_br={{tt|Um Tyrogue Cheio de Problemas|A Tyrogue Full of Trouble}}
|es_la={{tt|¡Un Tyrogue lleno de problemas!|A Tyrogue full of trouble!}}
|es_eu={{tt|Un Tyrogue con muchos problemas|A Tyrogue with many problems}}
|pl={{tt|Tyrogue z problemami|Tyrogue with problems}}
|hi=मुसीबत खड़ी करने वाला Tyrogue {{tt|''Mussibat khadi karne wala Tyrogue''|Problem maker Tyrogue}} {{tt|*|Hungama dub}}
}}

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Talk:Zacian (Pokémon)

2020-01-11T13:02:07Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Sif the great wolf */

I think that a possible inspiration for Zacian and Zamazenta is the Irresistible Force Paradox: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox]. The sword and shield is most likely a reference to the old Chinese parable of the spear and shield, but the pair's canine form could also be a reference to the tale of the Teumessian fox and the hound Laelaps. Just a thought. [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] ([[User talk:Manga-in-a-bottle|talk]]) 04:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

=="Za-"==
I think "za" is the Japanese word/spelling of the English word "the". So, their name is simply "the cyan" and "the magenta". [[User:ReignBough|ReignBough]] ([[User talk:ReignBough|talk]]) 05:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
* There was an interview or something that confirmed that was what it meant, being derived from people speaking of them in legends as "the cyan" and "the magenta" before they eventually merged into their names. I can't find the source, though, otherwise I'd make the necessary edit on the page. [[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

== Origin clean-up ==

Given how the most substantial connections (and the only ones on the page right now) are connections to Arthurian myth (Excalibur, Knights of the Round Table, Morgan le Fay, the messianic return), would it be fair to lead the subsection with "Zacian appears to be inspired by King Arthur" (or "Arthurian mythology")? Bulbapedia doesn't beat around for the bush for [[Entei_(Pokémon)#Origin|Entei]] or [[Cobalion_(Pokémon)#Origin|Cobalion]] et al.

Relatedly: I really do think that {{wp|Cavall}} merits a mention in this section. It was removed for only "only having one thing in common" (that of the canine appearance), but if this pair of legendary mons are inspired by Arthurian myth, then the fact that King Arthur had a dog seems like a plausible explanation of why Zacian and Zamazenta are specifically canines and not anything else. [[User:Charchetype|Charchetype]] ([[User talk:Charchetype|talk]]) 21:48, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

== Sif the great wolf ==

Is it worth while mentioning its obvious similarities to the optional boss from Dark Souls: Sif the great wolf? Both have swords they use in their mouths, both are wolf-creatures, even the stance Zacian takes copies Sif. --[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 10:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
:Copyrighted characters can't be used as a possible basis for origins.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

::I never actually mentioned this as related to origins, but it can still work as trivia, hence my asking if its worth noting the similarities aka stating trivia. --[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 13:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Zacian (Pokémon)

2020-01-11T10:10:33Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Sif the great wolf */ new section

Talk:SM003

2017-04-12T01:01:56Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Move/type error */ new section

==Comes to America February 20th?==
While watching Yo-Kai Watch, on the bottom left corner of the screen the Disney XD logo said that there was an "all new" Pokemon Episode at 4PM Monday. Can we comfirm this? {{unsigned|‎Theexploringgamer}}
:(Image that I took: http://imgur.com/xDscwmD) [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 17:38, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
::If that is true, it's unclear whether it would be SM003 (which has actually not aired yet in English) or SM001 (which has had previews, but would still be "all new" in terms of airing in the normal schedule rotation). But in any case, my TV guide lists Monday's episode as a rerun of ''[[XY009|Clemont's Got a Secret]]'', so either my TV guide's listing is wrong or the ad you saw was a mistake. I'm not sure which. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
:::After checking TV Guides it might be an error, but the promo was showing shots from the Sun and Moon anime. So I guess we'll just wait and see tomorrow I guess? [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 17:47, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
::::The channel could have made a mistake, it's about 7 or so hours until 4 and there has been no notice and if there were new episodes airing today, we probably would have heard about by now. Although, it's not like Zap2it is always reliable when it comes to the airdates of Pokemon episodes. But I'm sure that regardless of whether or not either of them is right, the fact that they put that promo on there probably means that new episodes should air soon and with the trend of new series premiering around February since Black and White, I'm sure we'll find out when the new episodes will air soon. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:29, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== Move/type error ==

In the episode Pikachu uses Iron Tail on Mimikyu but it has no effect, however Steel type moves are meant to be super effective against Fairy types. Should this be added?--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 01:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon breeding

2017-02-22T09:01:47Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Pokeball inheriting */ new section

OOps. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:45, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Should this be listed under Pokémon Breeding or simply Breeding? -[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Probably Poke breeding with a redirect from "breeding"

A picture says more than tousand words

== Strange Breeding: How did these things happen? ==

A couple of strange things happened to me when I was breeding a male Blaziken with a female Phanpy (which is strange enough in itself, I guess)
#When the egg hatched, the Phanpy knew Rock Smash. This shouldn't have been able to happen because I had previously deleted Rock Smash from Blaziken via the Move Deleter guy.
#The Phanpy hatched holding a PP Up! Needless to say, I was thrilled, but is there any reason for this occurance? Is it random or predictable?
Thanks a lot →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 12:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don;t know about the first, but I believe the second is because of Phanphy's ability "Pickup".--[[User:Skully Collins|Skully Collins]] 08:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the PP Up is definetly a result of the pick-up. As for the rock smash, no clue. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 02:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Could be something intentional. I would assume that Phanpy could learn Strength if you taught that to Blaziken then removed it. [[User:Learner4|Learner4]] 20:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Im actually thinking that Phanphy can learn Rock Smash, so if Blaziken knew it then there are still "reminints" of Rock Smash there, as shown by the move relearner guy. Maybe when the breeding happened the data some how got mixed and BAM, you have a Phanphy that knows Rock Smash. Did you use any cheats (earlier on) at all?--[[User:Sorou|sorou]] 17:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Abilities ==
I have seen, and the D/P Nintendo power guide states that, you can pass on abilities via breeding. This would be important to note, wouldn't it? It seems like something that big should be listed. Especially when you consider the possibilities! (I personally love my wonder-guarded sableye) Also, I think this should possibly be noted in the "chain breeding" section as well.
--[[User:TheCakeIsALie|TheCakeIsALie]] 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

True. Good eye. You may place it in the article in the appropriate place. And don't forget your sig or people won't know who you are.[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]] 06:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No! Abilities are NOT PASSED ON. By Abilities they meant Natures. Go on, try it. ABILITIES CANNOT BE PASSED ON. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Plus, the only Pokémon with Wonder Guard can't breed with anything but Ditto, so it'd never pass it on to Sableye. If you got that thing in a trade, it's hacked, man. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Crap, thanks for pointing that out. Dang... But on another note, you CAN pass abilities legitimately, but I misread: they are passed along by the mother, so it would stay in the proper species. (the example given in NP's guide is 2 bibarel breed. Mother has Simple, father has Unaware, so offspring is a Bidoof with Simple.) So I was halfway right, but again, thanks for poiinting that out. I guess I ought to not use it much then, huh?--[[User:TheCakeIsALie|TheCakeIsALie]] 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:I just did a test run breeding two Kadabras, both with the ability [[Inner Focus (ability)|Inner Focus]]. They successfully bred an Abra with the ability [[Synchronize (ability)|Synchronize]]. This proves that, at least for HeartGold, ability is ''not'' passed down by either parent. --[[User:Kerrick|Kerrick]] 17:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I can't actually PROVE this, but in my experience, the Everstone seems to have a similar effect on Abilities to the one it has on Natures. So, assuming that the mother is not a Ditto, and there is a chance between the two Abilities, and the mother is holding an Everstone, there appears to be a better than 50% chance that the child will have the same ability. I have no idea how to formally prove this, but if someone could either explain to me how to prove it, or simply look into it themselves, it would be appreciated.--[[User:Xatu|Xatu]] 03:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Tauros & Miltank ==

Can anybody confirm for certain that their eggs are supposed to be 50% Tauros and 50% Miltank? I've personally hatched 11 eggs from a Tauros and a Ditto, and all of them were Tauros, which means I must be exceptionally unlucky if half of them are supposed to be Miltank. FYI, I'm playing Diamond where Miltank are rarer than Tauros (the opposite is true in Pearl). I thought it would be easier to breed a Miltank than catch one. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the 50-50 chance thing is only if you breed a Miltank with Ditto; all of Tauros's kids with Ditto will be Tauros. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 22:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

:There is no way in any of the games for Tauros to hatch from a Miltank egg, or for Miltank to hatch from a Tauros egg. MorningStar edited this page with a note indicating otherwise as early as in March 2006, which is to say without knowledge of Diamond and Pearl. I believe no one bothered to fix it then due to the possibility of that holding true in the upcoming games, and since their release everyone has assumed the statement to be true because it was on the page so early on. Regardless of the reason, this note should have long been removed; it is easy to verify that even when breeding Miltank and Tauros ''together'' in the latest games, the product is still always a Miltank. I have done so for the sake of being on the safe side. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

::I've changed this section of the page. I can confirm empirically (hatched 41 eggs: 28 from a Miltank + Ditto, 13 from a Miltank + various Ground-group Pokes) that you cannot hatch a Tauros from a Miltank egg in Pokemon Pearl, and I assume the same goes for Diamond; based on Unown Lord's comments I am assuming this applies to all the games. If it turns out you can, then feel free to revert the page - I haven't hacked the code, this is entirely based on testing, so it's possibly that I was ''extremely'' unlucky and happened to get 41 eggs that all hatched Miltank purely by chance, but I think that's unlikely.

::The only sources I can find online that support the Miltank/Tauros breeding line are either questionable (user FAQs on the Marriland forum that contain other errors) or based on this site. [[User:Castorquinn|Castorquinn]] 22:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ditto + Ditto? ==

Someone settle something for me: Can you breed Ditto with Ditto? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

No. I tried. - [[User:MacGyver|MacGyver]]

Thanks. *notices the Discussion page for Ditto and wonders why he didn't look there in the first place*. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

Then how are there wild ditto if they can't breed together?
Do they spontaneously appear or something? [[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 05:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ditto looks like a big pile of goo, maybe over time they split in half like bacteria. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 00:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Technical Question ==

Do the natures of the parents make any difference on whether or not they will produce an egg? I'm trying to get my Dragonite to give Outrage to a new Gible, and the old man in Solaceon says they don't like eachother at all... Obviously that's not good, but why, and what can I do to change it?
:At all? ..are you sure you're breeding a Dragonite with a <s>complete haxxmacheen</s> Garchomp? Cause I do believeth that Garchomp and Dragonite can breed. o_o; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]] 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::Not at all? You sure? Pretty much always when they're in the same egg group, they'll breed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:I have had similar problems. Sometimes I always make sure to check the Egg Groups before I attempt breeding, but every once in a while, the Daycare Man in Diamond tells me that they dislike each other. (oops, forgot to sign) --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no problem at all, peeps! If 'They don't like each other very much' it doesn't matter! AS long as they don't totally despise each other that's okay. I tried Ditto with my Lucario (TTE said it would work) and it worked altough they didn't like each other! '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥] 09:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::Why do I feel compelled to respond to this comment by saying "Rape!"[[User:Mystrich|Mystrich]] 06:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The message “They don´t seem to like each other much.” indicates that the Pokémon are of different species but have the same trainer IDs, which means that out of all breedable Pokémon pairs, they have the lowest chance of producing an egg. This lower chance translates to a statistically longer period of waiting until the Daycare man hands you the egg, but nothing beyond that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 10:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it means that it's sort of like when two people pretend to hate each other but they really love each other but don't know it themselves. Eventually they find what they have in common and fall in love. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

"However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, the egg may hatch into either the male or female species:

*[[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|Nidoran♀]] and [[Nidoran♂ (Pokémon)|Nidoran♂]]
*[[Illumise (Pokémon)|Illumise]] and [[Volbeat (Pokémon)|Volbeat]]"

Would this also be true in the case of Tauros and Miltank? Could a Miltank have an egg containing Tauros? Just asking cause it's not listed in the article. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 10:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Would it be true to say that only the female can lay and egg that could be either? I tried breeding a Nidoran♂ with a Ditto to get a [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|♀]] but I just ended up with a dozen [[Nidoran♂ (Pokémon)|♂]]s. I did succesfully get a [[Volbeat (Pokémon)|Volbeat]] from an [[Illumise (Pokémon)|Illumise]].
Oh, and [[Tauros (Pokémon)|Tauros]] and [[Miltank (Pokémon)|Miltank]] are also linked.. [[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland Mudkip]] ☆ 11:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

:Your first assertion is correct, and has thus been added to the page. As noted in a paragraph above by myself, Tauros and Miltank are simply not linked. It seems to me that the disillusion of not having a calf-like Pokémon as a pre-evolution to both, has caused a multitude of fans to believe in some fabricated indication that one is forthcoming. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 06:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== TMs ==

Can you pass down TM moves that weren't learned by TM? I'm going to breed my male Banette with Will-O-Wisp (Learned naturally) with a female Drifloon, and I'm wondering if it'll pass down Will-O-Wisp... [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ] 20:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yep. It's what I do so as to save TMs from being used. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

== Languages ==

Is this encyclopedia in American English or Commonwealth English? Becuase the most recent edit was from "travelling" to "traveling", or Commonwealth to American.

Yea, we're American (well, I think. Ask and admin. I'm pretty sure we're American English). --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 12:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I as actually gonna do something else on the page after editing that (since Firefox does the red line under words that aren't in its dictionary), but I got distracted by something else and just decided "eh."
:But really, Bulbapedia's got contributors from all over. Though, well, American spelling's used in the games throughout their English release, as far as I know. They don't go through all the text changing the spelling of a few words, and I certainly didn't intend for my edit to be just that. It was more just "hey, look, red line. Fix that and... um... what else was I gonna do?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 16:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Inbreeding ==

What is it? '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|11:19 13 Mar 2008}}}'''
:...Don't ask. You don't wanna know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Inbreeding is when closely related individuals mate and have children. It's very taboo in human culture but animal breeders do this with certain breeds of an animal, like dogs. It's not a good idea for people inbreed because recessive genes could be more pronounced and genetic defects can occur. - PDL
:Told ya you didn't wanna know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
::The PRima Games guide states that inbreeding is impossible in Emerald. Proves that you can't trust Prima. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:12 5 Sep 2008'''''

::Well you can in the games, I'm Inbreeding all my Pokémon that I bead in the first place. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 01:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Uhh yeah ==

Uhm. This is weird, but i've had two weird things happen with breeding that make little sense. Like, first, this happened today, i put my Shieldon and Cranidos in the day-care (one female, the other male) and the old man said "These two prefer too play with other Pokémon" and i like, i came back too get them and they'd had an egg, and last time i checked, "They prefer too play with other Pokémon" meant they weren't going too have an egg (i took the egg anyway). Uhm, the second thing, which is really weird, happened a few months ago on my Pokémon Emerald, i put my male Charizard and male Blaziken in the Daycare (cos i'm too lazy too train them myself) ...and they had an egg |: Last time i checked, Guy + Guy does not = baby/egg |: I'm 100% sure they we're both male. I was pretty sure it was just a glitch in the game, but i was wondering if it's happened too anyone else? (also, the egg was a normal Torchic, normal stats, normal moves, nothing weird/glitch-y about it)

~ [[user:takoto|Takoto]]

Wow... That's really weird [[User:Darkmaster0|Darkmaster]][[User talk:Darkmaster0|0]]

: Obviously {{MS|006|Charizard}} and {{MS|257|Blaziken}} adopted. I guess they don't mind adoption by same-sex couples in Sinnoh. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 00:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::The thing that happened with Charizard and Blaziken happened on Emerald (: If they adopted, where did they adopt from? O: [[user:Takoto|Takoto]]

|: It happened, again, only this time; Leafgreen. Someone please tell me that Umbreon and Caterpie are somehow in the same egg group. Scratch what i said earlier, I'm almost sure that the Blaziken/Charizard thing happened on LeafGreen, not Emerald |: *totally remembered after i posted that xD Uh soooo yeah, i think the Breeding's glitch'd up in my LeafGreen...Well, it wasn't even originally mine, it was my Cousins |: But I'm sure he didn't cheat or anything too make every Pokémon breed with every other Pokémon. Plus i did some test; i tried too breed some Pokémon and they didn't breed, the Legendaries didn't (I actually wanted a level 5 Mewtwo xD at one point) But yeah \: Is my games breeding system glitched up or is it just....oddities? [[User:Takoto|Takoto]] 15:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::I would say you somehow glitched your game. Been using AR/GS/whatever? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::*Shake head* I've never used Action reply or Game shark on my Leafgreen...

==Length of time to breed==
After getting frustrated by the time it took to breed on my old silver version, I looked around for information on how long it takes two pokemon to have an egg, and I found [http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/rossos_pokemon/breeding.html this site]. This is information I think bulbapedia needs. The problem is, I don't have any other sources on it, it doesn't say if the formula holds true for later Gens as well, and the author admits that his numbers are estimates. Does anyone know anything about this topic? [[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 22:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Female Eevees ==

Hi I've tried to breed my Eevee several times but everytime time I do I get male Eevees and I kinda wanna have a female one, I was wondering if there's any way to force an egg to hatch into a female pokemon r something, I've tried hatching it in Foarama town like I read somewhere but that didnt work..
Having said that I did get a female Eevee once but it was very random
:12.5% chance of getting female Eevee. You were just unlucky. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:14 5 Sep 2008'''''

== Multiple eggs ==

I've been hatching several eggs at a time (getting three eggs, storing the parents, and then running up and down), and the number of steps in between hatches is always a multiple of 255, with 510 as the minimum (recent numbers are 510 and 1275). The steps between picking up the eggs are as low as 256, and I was carrying around Camerupt with Magma Armor. The numbers don't make sense unless there's some delay added to the other eggs when picking up eggs or hatching them, or some other weird hidden factor. Game is Pearl, by the way, and I've been using a Mach Bike. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tutored moves ==

Can they be passed on to children like [[TM]] moves? I know I tried it once, but I can't remember the result. Anybody know for certain? Either way, whether it works or not, it should probably be mentioned in this article or [[move tutor]] (or both). [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 13:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think they can unless they're egg moves (Outrage from Salamence to baby Charmander) or shared by both father and child, the child's in its level-up set, while the mother also knows it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::Off the top of my head, I believe that it's possible in {{v2|Crystal}}, but '''only''' in Crystal. At least, that's what I remember, maybe I should double-check this for myself though... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 18:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::The article is a bit ambiguous on this point, it says "And starting in crystal, move tutor moves" in brackets under section 1.3.3 (passing moves down) - which could mean "only in crystal", or it could mean "from crystal onwards". Currently, in Soul Silver, I'm breeding a Cyndaquil with extrasensory, and I tried to teach it heat wave at the same time (to save me tutoring it later) by breeding a Vulpix that knows it from Growlithe (egg move). Vulpix had Extrasensory and Heat Wave (and flamethrower and fire spin) when I bred it with Quilava, but the resulting Cyndaquil only knew extrasensory and flamethrower, despite the fact that Cyndaquil can be tutored Heat Wave (I wasn't expecting Fire Spin though). I think this means that move tutor moves are NOT passed down, but TMs are passed down no problem. I'd quite like to hear from anyone who's done a bit more research into this though - it might just be a flaw in the way I did the breeding (though I doubt it, since Extrasensory worked out fine). Oh - and I think that section should also include information about ditto-move-breeding. I know moves held by females aren't carried down when breeding with ditto - do male+ditto couples pass on moves held by the male, like normal? [[User:NLawson|NLawson]] 04:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Just ran into this, and had it also confirmed by Wild Eep and Zhorken (of Smogon and veekun, respectively). Tutor moves only get passed down in Crystal. I'm changing this. [[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 21:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

==POSSIBLE SPADING SOLUTION!!!==

I don't know, but according to Smogon, there's some sort of step counter that resets at 255. Follow this link for more info. http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/breeding_guide_part2#steps_required
[[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Wow. I'm surprised that Smogon has a guide on stuff that has nothing to do with battling, and it has stuff that this wiki doesn't have. Anyway, I'll read it and try to incorporate it into this page.
:What's the policy on crediting, anyway? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 01:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

On this page, it says that Nidorina and Nidoqueen can't be breed whatsoever, but [[No eggs (egg group)#Trivia|here]] it says that they can. Which one is true? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 19:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You misread the trivia, it says that "for some reason their male counterparts can", which, of course, does not make sense. '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 23:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny breeding ==

Hey, I got a shiny male Tentacruel, and a female Corsola, the shine-effect will be given to the baby Corsola? 
[[User:Homie|Homie]] 15:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not unless you're playing Gold/Silver, in which case there would be a higher chance of shininess. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Everstone ==

Can we punt/delete the Gen IV sentence that says that the Everstone trick doesn't work anymore? It still does and I've done it several times. [[User:Rappak|Rappak]] 20:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure? Notice that it says it doesn't work when the two Pokémon are from different language cartridges. E.g., it doesn't work if you try to breed an American Pokémon and a Japanese Pokémon together. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 20:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Let me double check the foriegn, but I know it works with two pokemon of the same cartridges. I'm almost positive it still works. [[User:Rappak|Rappak]] 21:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, it does work with two Pokémon from the same cartridge, but not with two foreign Pokémon, and that is what the article is referring to. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]])

== Inbreedible Pokemon? ==
Okay so I have this male Charizard that I want to breed so I can send the Charmander over to my Leaf Green Version. I put it in the daycare with SEVERAL DIFFERENT Dittos, each with a different nature. All of them did not have interest in my Charizard or vice-versa. I looked up the nature and noticed that it had a LAX nature (Charizard). Do I need a certain natured ditto or something to be able to breed? --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 03:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lack of interest does not mean they won't make an egg. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|¿Nos hablamos?]] 22:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just wait a bit longer and take any further "how do I/what do I/where do I" game related questions to {{BMGf||the forums}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

what was the exact message the guy said? if he said "they dont seem to like each other" that means they will still breed but it just takes a little while longer, if he said "they prefer to play with other pokemon" then they cant breed and never will [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 22:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:These quotations need to go in the article. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

yep, they'll still breed. Thanks alot everyone. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 23:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Genders ==

When are they defined for the egg, when it is received or when it hatches? [[User:Anastius|Anastius]] 10:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:What do you mean by "defined".--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::In the game data - the user wishes to know if once the player receives the egg, the gender of the hatched Pokemon has already been set. In my experience, yes, along with the nature. But I could have just been really unlucky. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::: It is definitely set when it hatches. I have hatched an army of Scyther (trying to get one with a "Rash" nature) and the gender and nature were always the same for the pokemon, even if i saved the game before it hatched, had it do so, and restarted it. So yes, gender and nature are determined when the Egg is conceived. Also, if makes since if you think about the hereditary moves, TM it can learn, etc when you pick which Pokémon you want to breed to get the egg. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 20:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::The gender is determined at the same time as the other data of the pokémon (nature, stats, ability...). It depends on the generation. In some games it is determined when you give your pokémon at the daycare if they can breed, in others when the man gives you the egg. -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 12:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==
How are egg moves determined? I mean, theres a list of moves that can be learned by pokemon by breeding for each pokemon. Was that found out by testing, and so its possible there are others it could learn, or is there a certain list of moves that a pokemon can use determined by the game and so anything thats not listed can't ever be learned? ([[User:MaoDaAmargura|MaoDaAmargura]] 01:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC))
:its shown in the official Guide books, and some are made off of users testing it. EG tangela has an unlisted move[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's also in the game's internal coding. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, but i think hes referring to how we found it. Not all of us can access the coding, I assure you.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 01:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== I dont get it........ ==
I had a male machamp which knew Revenge, cross chop, karete chop and dynamicunch
but when i bred it with a ditto the baby only knew its starting moves(low kick and leer) i'mpretty sure machop can learn all of my machamps moves what happend--[[User:Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur|Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur]] 20:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:try breeding with a female machoke [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 20:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Need Explaination ==

In the Trivia section it reads, "No negative effects occur from inbreeding Pokémon in Generation III and Generation IV, despite this being impossible in Generation II." Can someone please explain this statement? - [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 17:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:It may be referencing that, in real life, inbreeding can lead to developmental problems in the newborns, and so no such issues (always poor IVs, for example, or crappy natures) would occur in the Pokemon games. The second part is straightforward; you cannot breed a parent Pokemon with its offspring in G/S/C. I'm not sure if sibling breeding is allowed, however. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 14:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::Is it mentioned anywhere in the article, other than in the trivia, about inbreeding being impossible in Generation II? I skimmed over the article and saw nothing, but I might be wrong. I suggest, if it isn't already there, someone do a little segment on this, as I didn't really notice this in-game and it's kinda interesting. I'd do it myself, but I don't know much about the breeding of Generation II, and I've lost Crystal right now, and my emulators are too laggy to play on my laptop. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 15:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::@Star - Sibling breeding is allowed, the mechanics that prevent Parent-child breeding are related to IVs (or DV, as they were caled back then) and there is no relation on opposite sex siblings' IVs in GSC.
:::@It does, in the "Inheriting stats" section. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 15:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, there is debate among scientific circles as to the validity of superstitions that inbreeding causes developmental defects. While more recent articles focus more on how this does lead to homozygosity and an increase in recessive alleles, an article from the Dept of Biostatistics study concludes that, "No significant differences existed in the incidence of congenital anomalies among offspring between the consanguineous and non-consanguineous marriages in the rural or in the urban area." (Rao and Inbaraj, 1980). This doesn't necessarily write out its nature as a taboo subject in non-scholarly circles, but please enjoy just one of many scholarly articles on the subject, this one by the Dept of Biostatistics found in the Journal of Medical Genetics: [http://jmg.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/17/1/27 Inbreeding effects on fetal growth and development] I admit it's an older article, but newer articles tend to focus on studied genetic changes other than "defects".- ''unsigned comment from {{u|PharosAM}} ([[User talk:PharosAM|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PharosAM|contribs]]) ''

It states that there are no negative effects in Generations III and IV. Is this also accurate for Generation V? Does this mean there are negative effects in Generation V? [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 01:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

== Tauros and Miltank again ==

From the article: ''Note that while Miltank and Tauros are considered to be the female and male of the same species in the canon, for the purposes of breeding they are separate species''

In what canon, exactly, are they considered "male and female of the same species"? Wouldn't, by nature of the fact that they cannot breed with each other to produce baby Tauros or Miltank, they NOT be [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 20:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:??? They can breed with each other to produce baby Miltank... But I agree, not the same species, would like to hear what canon says so. Also, that bit about Volbeat and Nido♂ breeding with Ditto is interesting, {{tt|Pokémon must have ZW sex chromosomes|and no I am not going to campaign to have that included in the article}}. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hatched Genders ==

Has anyone figured out when a newly-hatched Pokémon's gender is set? Does it happen at the time of the egg's conception, or does it happen when it's hatched? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:When it's received from the daycare. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== A question about IVs... ==

In HGSS, by using the EV Enhancers you can choose to pass a specific IV from a parent to their offspring. My question is this: Is it possible to have the passed down IV overwriten if the other parent passes down a higher IV of the same stat? For example, If I was trying to breed a Bronzong with a speed IV of zero and I used a Power Anklet to pass the zero stat from one parent, could the other parent then pass down it's higher speed IV, overwriting the IV I actually wanted? ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 00:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Me and some friends confirmed this by accident a while back when trying to breed for IVs. Furthermore, a lower IV can replace a higher one, which is what actually happened in our experiences. In my case, I was trying to breed a perfect Attack/Speed Scyther with Jolly nature from a perfect attack Scyther (holding a Power Bracer) and a perfect speed Volbeat (holding a Power Anklet). The first Jolly Scyther I got had perfect speed, but imperfect attack. Upon checking the Volbeat's IVs, it had indeed inherited the Volbeat's attack IV, overwriting the IV passed on by the Power Bracer. I think what this means is that the EV training items just force the first one or two IVs that are chosen (depending on how many you;re using) and then the last one/two is/are chosen randomly with the possibility of overwriting the previously passed IV(s). Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and edit this into the article (minus the details of the experiment). - [[User:Sensei Hanzo|Sensei Hanzo]] 15:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

== Talking to the daycare ==

Does talking to the daycare man outside to see how your pokémon are getting along have an effect on getting an egg? Cause I was cycling for quite a while and then I figured I should at least see how compatible my pokémon are with each other (which was "They don't seem to like each other very much" or something), then I went back to cycling around. My first lap and he has an egg, so is it just my luck or a requirement? Thanks in advance :) [[User:Adam0935|Adam0935]] 05:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:No. The rate of getting an egg from a couple is explained [[Pokémon_breeding#Breeding_Rate.5B1.5D|here]]. It's all to do with species and ID number - you got lucky this time! —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Held Items ==

Can a pokemon carry a held item when it has been hatched? I'm playing on HeartGold and I just caught Chansey in safari zone which took me freaking forever, about 3 hours. so if you kept breeding Chansey could one of the new pokemon be carrying a [[Lucky Egg]]. I really don't want to have to go around and catch another 19 Chansies if it's gonna take as long as the first one. [[User:Greenlikeblue]] 9:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Er, no. I'm pretty sure that won't work. Sorry [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Everstone and Nature inheritance from non-Ditto males in Diamond/Pearl ==
Under the "Inheriting Natures" section, it says: "In Generation IV inheriting Nature was changed a little. Whichever Pokémon is holding an Everstone will pass down its nature, '''regardless of gender''', or whether it is breeding with a ditto."

The "regardless of gender" bit is problematic. It contradicts Smogon University's Breeding Guide (Part II), which states:

"In EDP, if a '''female''' Pokémon is holding the item Everstone and breeds with a male Pokémon, the baby will have a 50% chance of having the same nature as the female Pokémon. This also works if the Pokémon holding Everstone is Ditto."

I am playing Diamond. To test, I've attempted to breed a Cubone with the Lonely nature by using a male Nidoran (Lonely nature) and a female Cubone (Hardy nature). The male Nidoran is holding an Everstone while in the Daycare. So far, it has produced '''29''' Cubones, spanning '''17''' different natures, '''none of which have the Lonely nature'''.

While some players may have been successful with this method on HG/SS, I think the page should say that it may work in HG/SS but not in D/P. [[User:Fyda|Fyda]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:I think you might just be misreading the paragraph... it's pretty widely known and obvious that males will never have a 50% chance of passing natures, in any game. Paragraph probably just needs rewording for clarification... unfortunately I'm terrible at that. orz ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 22:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, that's the thing—I didn't expect it to be true, and testing it proved that it was definitely not true in Diamond. I think the offending sentence on the page is just plain ''wrong'', but there's a ''citation'' for it, which points to a forum thread where people claim to have gotten the Everstone trick to work on males for passing down their natures. Assuming they're not posting misinformation, I was wondering if this was a recent change to the Everstone trick that only occurred in HG/SS, while still not working in D/P/Pt. Right now the paragraph needs to be changed, and what I'd like to determine is whether it's A) completely false for any game in the series, or B) true only for specific games. [[User:Fyda|Fyda]] 07:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something's definitely wrong with the Generation IV natures part. On HeartGold I've had an adamant Ditto holding an Everstone and an Adamant Croagunk breeding. I hatched countless eggs and none of the Croagunks had an adamant nature. I get the feeling that breeding two pokemon with the same nature will '''NEVER''' result in a pokemon with that nature. I tried using a Croagunk with a naughty nature. none of the four Croagunks had an adamant nature. So that part where it talks about an everstone always passing on a nature is wrong. Does anyone have an idea how the everstone works in Gen IV? --[[User:Greenlikeblue|Greenlikeblue]] 05:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flame Body & Magma Armor ==
"[...] Additionally, in Pokémon Emerald, if any Pokémon with Flame Body or Magma Armor is in the front of a player's party [...]" As far as I'm concerned, they don't have to be in the first spot for the ability to work. Can anyone confirm this? --[[User:Arty2|Arty2]] 08:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:I thought they had to be next to the egg... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
::Just tested it myself in Platinum: any team spot is fine for the effect to work. I think it's safe to assume it's been the same in Emerald too.[[User:Arty2|Arty2]] 05:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Lists of egg moves ==

(Not actually about this page, rather about lists of moves learned by breeding, e.g. [[Pichu (Pokémon)#By breeding]].) Two questions:

Firstly, where does the list of fathers come from? Is it programmed into the game that a given Pokémon can have a move passed down from X, Y or Z, or is it simply a list of all Pokémon that could both father this Pokémon and legitimately have the move?

Secondly, why do we have lists of egg moves for Pokémon which cannot be the product of breeding, e.g. [[Raichu (Pokémon)#By breeding]]? Does this data exist in the game, and if so, how would one exploit it? Or have we merely copied the egg moves of its pre-evolved form? In the former case the list seems unnecessary, in the latter it seems both unnecessary and erroneous. [[User:Smithers888|Smit]][[User:Smithers888|hers]][[User talk:Smithers888|888]] 22:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The second one I can more or less answer. I would assume that it's there for convenience.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 22:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:The answer to your first question is that yes, it's just a list of all Pokémon which could both father the Pokémon and legitimately obtain the move. The answer to your second question is that the list is indeed copied from the pre-evolution's egg moves.
:Both of these are for convenience, as Black Yin Zekrom explained. The lists of potential fathers would otherwise need to be obtained by comparing the list of Pokémon which could have the move and the list of which egg moves the desired Pokémon would have, which would be a lot of work which ought to be done by us beforehand, if we intend for people to use this site as a resource. The lists of egg moves for evolved Pokémon helps people who are building a competitive team to find which moves a fully-evolved Pokémon would have, without having to reference its first stage. It is extraneous, but it's also helpful for people who use Bulbapedia to make decisions regarding their games. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

::The first part is as I suspected. For the second part, I understand the reasoning, however it doesn't work completely. A player still has to browse the pre-evolved form's page to discover, for example, that Raichu could have Discharge, but only by level up as a Pikachu. --[[User:Smithers888|Smithers]][[User talk:Smithers888|888]] 20:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, of course they would look it up or do research.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you have a point. Perhaps you ought to raise the question with a staff member (I'd ask [[User:TTEchidna|TTE]], as he's the editor-in-chief and does a lot of work on the page layout for Pokémon articles). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Generation II breeding ==

Is Parent/offspring breeding COMPLETELY off the table in these games? Seems to me the only check is the IV one, but there are scenarios where it could be bypassed. For example, a male breeds with Ditto and produces a female. The male and Ditto obviously have different Defense and Special IVs (or Special +/- 8), and so the male parent and female offspring should also have different Defense and Special IVs. In this case, since they'd share the same egg groups, the game should allow them to breed, correct? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 22:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Abilities Redux: Hidden abilities ==

As mentioned [[Talk:Pokémon breeding#Abilities|at the beginning of the talk page]] there was previous rumors abilities could be passed down, but according to [[Pokémon Dream World#Breeding mechanics|this]], with the new hidden abilities this actually seems to be the case. So shouldn't this be included on the page? [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 09:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

:Out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
::They don't, it was also researched by Smogon as far as I remember. Breeding with Ditto will never result in ofspring inheriting DW ability (Though it's unknown, how Ditto with it's own Hidden ability will work). — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 10:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious about the probability of the child inheriting the mother's Dream World ability, too. To test it, I've bred and hatched 30 {{p|Shinx}} eggs from my female {{p|Luxray}} (originally from the Dream World) and a traded male {{p|Stoutland}}. My personal results are as follows:

* Genders: 14 male, 16 female
* Abilities: 4 {{a|Intimidate}}, 9 {{a|Rivalry}}, 18 {{a|Guts}}

The gender split is typical for their species, and so is the Intimidate/Rivalry split. But I also happen to have 60% of them born with the mother's Dream World ability, Guts. (All 30 were born with the father's specific moveset of Fire/Ice/Thunder Fang and Crunch.) This implies that the chance of a mother passing down her Dream World ability via breeding is somewhere in the range of 1 in 2, 2 in 3, or 3 in 5. Does anyone have (or know of) more samples to establish the probability with? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 20:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)''

:PS: Smogon states a probability of 40%, and a few other varied discussion threads echo that number, but as my one experiment is a fairly large deviation from that I am not sure. And Serebii.net merely says "a high chance", whatever that means. --''--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 21:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)''

== Baruchai and Barujiina ==

About the part of Illumise and Nidoran doing eggs of they counterparts... anyone tried to get Washibon and Wargle eggs from Baruchai and Barujiina, because their pages say that they are counterparts. I tried to breed a Baruchai and my male Kenhorou but no luck, although i only tried once. --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 00:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
: Wargle, along with Nageki, Dageki, Tauros, and the Hitmons, is one of the few gendered non-legendary Pokémon naturally occurring in the wild that cannot reproduce without a Ditto. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Power Items in HGSS ==

According to this article, in HGSS [[Power items]] will always pass corresponding stat, but I'm certain, it's happening not always. Baby still has a chance to have random IV in stat even if its parrent is holding Power Item that passes IV of that stat. Was breeding mechanic really researched fully? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 08:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Did you have power items on both parents? If so, it will randomly choose 1 parent to pass on the stat iv that correlates to the power item. If the other passes too, it was luck. [[User:Destroyed locomotive|Destroyed locomotive]] ([[User talk:Destroyed locomotive|talk]]) 14:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

== Twins? ==

Is it possible to get twins in Pokémon Black and White? I caught an Altaria in White and bred it with a Ditto to get a Swablu, but when I picked up the egg, the Daycare Man gave me another one immediately afterwards. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 12:47, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Immediately? As in you didn't even take a single step in between receiving each egg? That would be interesting if you or someone else can confirm it. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 14:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've had an egg given to me and then went straight down and he called me again before I reached the stairs, so the minimum of 256 steps between eggs doesn't seem to apply this generation. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Immediately immediately. He gave me the first egg, then I wanted to go into the daycare to grab my Altaria, but I accidentally talked to him again (or it happened automatically) and he gave me the second egg. I didn't take a single step. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 07:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::::This has also happened to me. I picked up a Litwick egg, then took two steps down and he called out to me saying he had another egg.
::::Something else has happened too, a good three times now I've had one egg hatch, I'd then a single step only to have yet another egg hatch. Something is fishy here. [[User:Tylian|Tylian]] 21:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::The number of steps taken for an egg to hatch is determined in cycles of 256, each 256 steps you take makes the number of cycles still needed decrease by one, so if for example you receive an egg when the game is in the 1st step of a cycle and then get another egg within the same cycle (within 255 steps) the two eggs' will reach a cycle of 0 at the same time, and since two eggs can't hatch at the same time, the game hatches it on the next step. So if you get two eggs shortly after each other they'll hatch one step after one another. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 22:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::It seems the number of steps for determining whether you get an egg or not has been drastically lowered in B/W. Both me AND my girlfriend were breeding to trade eggs, and the old man yelled to us before we could start running around to get the chance for an egg to appear. It seems in practice the egg creation check is after ''every'' step now, but I can't verify that until I start breeding more eggs. --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] 18:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I had the same in Sapphire (or Emerald, I forget which). After picking up my egg, I kept mashing A and ended up with two eggs. So I took no steps between getting my eggs. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
: Almost reminds me of the time I was breeding Lapras in my White. By the time I walk into the Daycare to fetch my Lapras after receiving one Egg, the lady informs me her husband was looking for me -- violô, second egg. Not twins though; I must've crossed an egg cycle threshold during those 10 or so steps because the eggs hatched one cycle apart from each other. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)''

== Nidoran♂/Ditto pairing in Gen V produces Nidoran♀ ==

The breeding page states "However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, an egg produced by the female species may hatch into either the male or female variant; however, breeding the male species with Ditto will not produce the female counterpart." In White, I have definitely bred a Nidoran♂ (received from the Dream World and definitely not hacked) with Ditto and received the female counterpart. I've reproduced this several times, and it seems the chances between male and female are about 50/50. I do not know if Volbeat/Illumise are now the same way. Has anyone else tested this? [[User:Childowind|Childowind]] 00:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:I definitely got a female Nidoran from breeding Ditto with my shiny Nidoking. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Old man doesn't call out when party is full ==

Has anyone else noticed this? When my party is full in Black version, the old man doesn't call out to me even if he has an egg for me. I've had times where I've gone five or ten minutes waiting for all my eggs to hatch, and once I drop them all into the PC, I'll walk outside and talk to him and he has an egg for me. But he never called out to tell me he had one.

I just wanted confirmation before I added it to the page. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
:I can confirm that. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 16:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

== Probably a nooby question ==

If you breed two different pokemon of the same egg group, is it completely random which of the two the egg will produce? Ex. Snivy + petilil = random? [[User:Em Jae|Em Jae]] 03:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:The baby born will be the base species of the female. So in this case, if the female was Petilil, the baby will be a Petilil. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 03:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the response. That was probably in the article and I missed it or something.. lol [[User:Em Jae|Em Jae]] 05:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

==Gender?==

What determines the egg's gender? Is it random, or is it calculated somehow? More specifically, I'm trying to get a female Chikorita in Generation II by breading a Bayleaf (didn't check gender) with a Ditto and I keep getting males. Am I just unlucky?--[[User:Winmaster|Winmaster]] 20:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:The chances of a Pokémon being male or female is determined by their [[gender ratio]], you should get 1 female Chikorita for every 7 males. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 08:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

==Nidoking & Ditto==

In this article, it says that a male Nidoran and a Ditto can produce both male or female Nidoran. But what happens if you put a Nidoking and a Ditto at day-care? They can still produce both female and male Nidoran? [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] 14:26, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Its actually just a female Nidoran that can produce either gender, but Rina and Queen will produce none. (Eddiefiv 04:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC))

== TWINS!!!!==
In my attempts to breed a half-decent Lucario, I had an odd happening. Driving back and forth on route three, I talked to the Old man after he called me over, and clicked through what was said- and the conversation terminated. Figuring I might have done something wrong, I reopened the conversation, and checked through again, and the conversation fired off. Checking my Party, I found I had received two eggs.

No cheats have been used in this game. At all. Just plain Black and white, new from the store- not used. level 70 Throh, Superb IV as told by Judge, and level 50ish Lucario, Above average.

Twins hatched, both were different pokemon with slightly different IVs as told by Judge in the battle subway. They have different natures as well. They hatched one immediately after the other. [[User:Flamingcanine|Flamingcanine]] 01:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Platinum Rules ==

I know in the article that it says the breeding system from Emerald carried into Diamond and Pearl, but does that also mean the same breeding system applies to Platinum, or is Platinum's breeding system more like HG/SS? [[User:Sasshen|Sasshen]] 16:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:As far as I know, D/P/Pt have the same breeding system, and it was changed starting from HG/SS. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 23:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== No Good Natures ==

I have been breeding for a Duskull with a Calm nature for weeks now and not a single one has been produced with the proper nature. I have a Jolly male Duosion and a Bashful female Duskull in the daycare and I'm sure I've gotten every other nature except this one. I was wondering is there was any effect on the nature of the child without an Everstone. Like, if the natures of the parents effected the nature of the baby. (Eddiefiv 04:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC))
:My guess is that you are just unlucky. In order to speed up the process, you can try to find an Calm Abra with Synchronize, and then put that at the front of the party and find a Ditto. The Ditto has a high chance of being calm. Then give that ditto an everstone and breed it with your duskull. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 03:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

==Gender==

If you're breeding with Ditto, will the gender of the hatched Pokémon be the same as the other parent? I was trying to hatch a male Skarmory (Ditto was one parent, the other a female Skarmory) and it hatched female. Was it just bad luck, or is the gender fixed? [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] 02:21 4 June 2012 (UTC)

:Never mind. I always answer my own questions; it was just my luck. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] 16:29 5 June 2012 (UTC)

==Twin Pokemon - Coincidences?==

I hatched two Axew, one right after the other (this also happened with two Dwebbles I hatched). I got both eggs from the Day Care Man right after each other on the same day at about the same time, too. When they hatch, everything about them was the same - their gender, stats, nature, second nature, moveset, IVs, and ability were all the same. Do twins really occur like this in Pokemon games, or is this just some strange coincidence? [[User:Judgement|Judgement]] 00:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

:Did he give you them literally one after the other? Or did you walk around a bit to produce another? For me, in Emerald, I hatched about ten of a couple different Pokémon (Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, & Beldum) and each species was almost all the same gender (usually only 1 different). I guess with the same parents, the ratio usually amounts to the same stats and stuff. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 22:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I walked around, but the very next egg he have me was identical to the first - everything the same. With the Starter Pokemon, they are usually male anyways, and Beldum doesn't have a gender, so their genders should be the same except for the occasional female starter. But I think twins (with the same stats and everything else) is rare. [[User:Judgement|Judgement]] ([[User talk:Judgement|talk]]) 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Breeding moves glitch? ==

Recently, on my Black version, I was breeding Dratini's with the moves Extremespeed and Dragon Dance, and I noticed something peculiar about how moves are passed down. I started with a male, level 90 Dragonite and a Ditto for parents (the father knew both Extremespeed and Dragon Dance), and the pair produced Dratini's that knew both of these moves. The strange part occurred after I found a more suitable father (for IV's). It was a level 1 Dratini that knew both Extremespeed and Dragon Dance. While it was in the daycare breeding eggs, it also leveled up. I eventually found a better father when the Dratini in the daycare was well over level 30, so it had been forced to forget both Extremespeed and Dragon Dance. However, it never once failed to breed its entire original moveset onto any of the new Dratini's. That is, every Dratini that my parents produced, even when the parents didn't know any of these moves, knew Wrap, Leer, Extremespeed, and Dragon Dance.

I also tested this while breeding Dragon Dance onto Scraggy's. I used one father, from level 1 and with Dragon Dance, to breed until it reached level 18, when it has forgotten Dragon Dance. I checked by saving my game, pulling the Pokemon out, checking its moves, and resetting the DS. Then, I rode around until I received another egg and hatched it. It knew Dragon Dance.

I know my friends struggle to avoid Pokemon forgetting important moves, by taking the Pokemon out at the right time and leveling it up outside of the daycare, but this glitch (or possibly not?) seems to make that unnecessary. I also can't say I've ever seen this discussed specifically on any breeding information guide. True, most guides say the father will pass down moves, but none that I've read say that it will pass down moves it knew and then forgot.

Thoughts? Similar experiences? [[User:Brilliance360|Brilliance360]] ([[User talk:Brilliance360|talk]]) 17:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)brilliance360

:This is a well-known (or so I thought) mechanic. It will always pass down moves according to what it knew when you put it in there. I don't think the game recalculates the moveset until you get it out of the daycare. [[User:Destroyed locomotive|Destroyed locomotive]] ([[User talk:Destroyed locomotive|talk]]) 14:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

:Not a glitch. From personal experience, this also occurs in Emerald, and I'm going to extrapolate that it probably occurs in breeding for all games Generation III and onwards. Apparently a Pokemon's moveset is recalculated only upon removal from the daycare, and not while it levels up, and it's calculated by taking the Pokemon's current moveset as a list, adding at the end of the list all moves it would've learned while levelling up in order, and then taking the last 4 moves, although I guess that's common knowledge. [[User:Blow_fly98|blow_fly98]] ([[User_talk:Blow_fly98|talk]]) 16:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

::I just ran into this myself in XY -- I'm currently breeding {{p|Eevee}}. The mother is a Safari-caught Lv.30 {{a|Anticipation}} Eevee an the father is a Lv.1 Eevee (with {{m|Wish}} and {{m|Yawn}}). Every single Egg produced inherited both Wish and Yawn (as well as {{m|Covet}}, which both parents know) despite that by the time I actually took the pair back out, the father had grown about 20 levels and long forgotten both moves. I think this is worth mentioning on a page somewhere.... --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 16:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
:::that's mentioned in the day care article i believe. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== bw2 new breeding mechanics ==

Serebii has published new breeding mechanics for bw2, I know we're not supposed to copy from serebii but here's his source: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4371207 for anyone who wants to add the info. The changes are that the mother now has an 80% chance to pass on it's ability, and everstone will always work. [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 03:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

== My Discovery ==

When I read the article, the section IV inherition doesn't mention about Platinum, so I decided to test it myself, this is my most recent one:
Male Togetic holding a Power Belt (defense) the following IVs:
10-18-'''25'''-12-24-21

Female Clefairy holding a Power Anklet{{tt|*|It was before I realised that only one EV-enchancing item worked, not both}} the following IV:

16-3-7-'''5'''-'''13'''-26

The result was a Cleffa with the following IV:

25-30-'''25'''-'''5'''-'''13'''-3

Coincidence? I belive not, this is a great discovery: the new breeding system was introduced in Pt not HGSS{{tt|*|Which is something I somewhat was expecting due Platinum being a few distant of DP}}, contrary to the article. And in the EV-Enchancing item page it also must be changed to fit my discovery. Any objections?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 23:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

== Forme Breeding ==

So when you breed say a Shellos (East Forme), with a Shellos (West Forme), what determines what Forme will Result? Will it always be the same forme as the Female? Or is it determined another way? [[User:Creoix|Creoix]] 00:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
:The female. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

== Black/White 2 - strange IV inheritance behaviour ==

When I attempted to start IV breeding, I came across some weird things. For example, I was breeding two Horsea with the following IV's:

Horsea 1 (holding Power Weight): '''19''' / 27 / 20 / 22 / 8 / 23

Horsea 2 (holding Power Lens): 5 / 30 / 20 / '''17''' / 30 / 19

So imagine my confusion when I leveled up the child a fair bit{{tt|*|IV calculation results are extremely ambiguous for a Lv1}} and calculated it's IV's:

Horsea 3: 3-6 / 29-31 / 19-22 / 16-18 / 21-23 / 31

It's clear that HP (erroneously), Attack and Special Attack were inherited from Horsea 2, but only Defense was inherited from Horsea 1. So, what's with the IV values for Special Attack and especially Speed?! Certainly in the case of the latter, there was no clear place where these IV's were inherited from.

Were the mechanics changed in B2W2? Or perhaps the ambiguous wording of the article misled me? [[User:InterrobangPie|InterrobangPie]] ([[User talk:InterrobangPie|talk]]) 22:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:I am sure that only HP and Sp. Atk were inherited, as you used these items. As far as I know, other aren't inherited and are generated normally (though I may be in an error, correct me if I am). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 22:35, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
::So what is "generated normally?" The article implies that they one is determined by the EV item, and then two more IV's are chosen from that parent, meaning the child could have 2 IV's determined by held items, and 4 other IV's (2 from each parent). Do you mean to say that if an EV item is held, only 1 EV is derived from the parent, and the other 2 EV's are regenerated - i.e. are given a new value between 0-31? If that's the case, then the page has been very very badly worded. [[User:InterrobangPie|InterrobangPie]] ([[User talk:InterrobangPie|talk]]) 23:21, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Wait a moment. After reading the page... If it holds item, only two random IVs are inherited, meaning 3 IVs are inherited in all... and now I see that it is really poorly worded in few places. As far as I know, it may mean three IVs (not EVs as items double EV gain, but inherit IVs, as you can't inherit EVs, that'll be too easy) in ''total'', not from each parent. Sp. Def and Speed are different than parents' IVs, so they weren't inherited. I have no idea about HP, though (overrided?). The other three IVs are random, and therefore one of the IVs may coincide. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

== Inheriting Abilities section ==

Am I the only one who finds the text a little confusing? [[User:Eevee-Girl|Eevee-Girl]] ([[User talk:Eevee-Girl|talk]]) 15:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

== Oval Charm ==

How much does an Oval Charm increase the chance?--- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 03:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It barely increases it at all. The numbers go from 20/50/70 to 40/80/88. They aren't percentages anymore though. Far from it. Check out what I posted here:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4551543&postcount=1026

Someone may want to update the article.[[User:Bond697|Bond697]] ([[User talk:Bond697|talk]]) 20:23, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

== Non-hidden Abilities ==

If a female with a non-hidden ability breeds with a Ditto, what are the chances that the child inherits the ability?

The page says that the chance should be normal (ie 50%), but I just breed 21 eggs, of which 4 had the different ability. I may have been unlucky, but I'm changing the page. If we've found something in the game's code that says the contrary, someone change it back. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] ([[User talk:Tk3141|talk]]) 01:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

No, change it back. Your extremely limited test is meaningless. [[User:Bond697|Bond697]] ([[User talk:Bond697|talk]]) 20:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

== Phanpy's Egg moves ==

I had left a Male swinub (lvl 31) with Ice Shard and a female phanpy (lvl 23) and the daycare in generation four. When i got the egg back, it didn't have Ice Shard and it had endure. I dont know what happened but the swinub had endure and as far as i saw on phanpys gen 4 learnset, it doesnt get endure as an egg move and phanpy doesnt learn it until level 28. does anyone know what hapened here? [[User:Mich5643|Mich5643]] ([[User talk:Mich5643|talk]]) 15:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

If both parents know endure, since it is a move they both know by level-up, it gets passed down. Delete the move on swinub and ice shard won't get pushed out. I don't remember if the order of the moves matters, but deleting the move altogether should fix it. [[User:Destroyed locomotive|Destroyed locomotive]] ([[User talk:Destroyed locomotive|talk]]) 13:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

== Exploiting slopes ==

"Also, if the player finds a sandy slope the players can hold the "up" button therefore trying to go up. The player will fail unless he or she is not on the bicycle's faster speed, counting as one step. If the player somehow holds this button down for an extended period of time, the Egg would eventually hatch."
:But where can we find such slopes? The only place I know in HG/SS that can be used is Cycling Road, which is convenient (hold up for a few seconds, let go for a few seconds, go between an NPC and a wall to ensure you stay on the road) but is there a better spot? [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] ([[User talk:HyperHacker|talk]]) 02:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::After some testing, the spin tiles in Viridian Gym seem to work, although very slowly. The day-care man doesn't seem to call you until you leave the gym though. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] ([[User talk:HyperHacker|talk]]) 08:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::These slopes can be found around Route 111 in Hoenn in R/S/E. I'm not sure if they can be found in Gen IV. [[User:Nors|Nors]] ([[User talk:Nors|talk]]) 16:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
::In OR/AS, the Battle Resort can be used as a loop area to ride your bike around without having to deal with any obstacles. This can be done by holding the Up button or pushing the thumbpad up, and when the camera turns around, you'll still be moving to the side while holding Up. This is shown in my test video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbgOESUxTWA] The way I do this, since the directional pad requires too much pressure to mount any object on it without risking harm to the 3DS, is by carefully sticking a small pin under the thumbpad to push it in one direction. Usually, a thumbtack will suffice as long as you don't move it around, and be careful not to jam it under the pad or you may damage it that way. [[User:Eriah|ξriah §ylverstone]] ([[User talk:Eriah|talk]]) 04:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

== Items that affect breeding ==

I think it'd be a good idea for someone to create a list of all items that a parent can hold that will affect the offspring or the breeding process in some way. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] ([[User talk:HyperHacker|talk]]) 08:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ditto breeding and level-up moves. ==

Are they passed or not? Normally both parents need to know the move, but considering genderless Pokémon... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 15:23, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

== Multiple Eggs Hatching Simultaneously ==

In White 2, I had two eggs hatch at the same time. First a Gastly hatched, then after it was finished, the game went back to the overworld, only to immediately go back to the egg hatching screen where a Magikarp hatched from another egg. I also had a Volcarona with Flame Body in my party. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it a glitch, or has this changed in 5th gen so that multiple eggs can hatch at the same time? [[User:Nors|Nors]] ([[User talk:Nors|talk]]) 16:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
:From what you say, it sounds as though it isn't a glitch - nothing in the game seems to say eggs hatching at the same time is a glitch.[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 21:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
::According to the article, it has been impossible for two eggs to hatch at the same time since Gen III because of the way the game handles the counting of egg cycles (as it says in the section Hatching Eggs). If this isn't a glitch, then this would no longer be true. [[User:Nors|Nors]] ([[User talk:Nors|talk]]) 22:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I've been playing X and breeding heaps, and I've had several double-hatches. They always happen one-step apart and appear to happen on the 255 egg cycle. Also, I've had pokemon hatch 10-20 steps after receiving an egg from the daycare man. The rules have definitely changed, but I don't have concrete data, just what I've observed. [[User:Parthon|Parthon]] ([[User talk:Parthon|talk]]) 05:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

==Brimming with energy?==
Ok, so I know when it says the Pokemon are "Brimming with energy," it means that they have the "Same Defense IV and Same Special IV or 8 apart from each other." But what does it mean about the chances for breeding? Will they produce an egg, or not? [[User:EllieNeo|EllieNeo]] ([[User talk:EllieNeo|talk]]) 17:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

==Ditto + Everstone = Other Parent's Stats==
I've had this happen twice when trying to breed a better [[Snivy]]. This is with White 2. In both cases I had a male Snivy holding nothing and a [[Ditto]] holding an [[Everstone]]. I'd bike back and forth, picking up 5 eggs (while watching TV :P ) and hatching them, and every single one had the exact same EV and gender -- both in the SUMMARY screen and based on what the EV rater said. I had to take the Everstone off to get random stats (and a female). About an hour later, I got a near-perfect male Snivy with a bad nature, so I tried this again, and it worked. I got my desired nature from the Ditto -and- I duplicated the good stats from the Snivy.

Could someone who can access their save files verify this? It's worth mentioning in the article if I wasn't just insanely lucky six times. Also, does this work with females? [[User:Sarysa|Sarysa]] ([[User talk:Sarysa|talk]]) 18:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

== Pokeball? ==

So I was hatching Pokemon in Y when I noticed that my egg was in a Dusk Ball. I had just switched from a ditto (caught in a normal Poke Ball) to a female of the species (Caught in a Dusk Ball). The male is caught in a normal Poke Ball. Have yet to switch games to see if this happens in any other game, but I was just wondering if maybe females accidentally/purposely passed their Pokeball type down when breeding in Gen VI. {{unsigned|EggtasticTaco}}
:Don't forget to sign your talks, but according to Serebii, the female always passes down the Pokéball, and the male never does. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
::Don't cite other fansites here, that's actually really rude, not to mention unreliable. But yes, mothers pass down their Poké Ball now. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Luxury Ball cannot be passed down, however. It will hatch with a normal Poké Ball. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 04:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Holy crap, it does now! They might have changed that with the v1.1 update. I specifically tried to breed Eevee during the first week, with both parents having a Luxury Ball, and the offspring were in normal Poké Balls. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 18:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Foiled again! I bred a Ditto and Ariados, both in Luxury Balls, and the offspring came out in a normal Poké Ball. This was right after breeding a number of other things, where the offspring were all in their non-Ditto parents' balls. Capturing another Ariados in a Luxury Ball and breeding that with the first Ariados, on the other hand, did produce offspring in a Luxury Ball. This calls for investigation! --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 18:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::It's simple. If either parent is Ditto, the offspring is always in a normal Poké Ball regardless of Ditto's or another parent's Ball (pretty annoying since it prevents getting certain Pokémon in any Ball).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I did some testing, and found the following to be true: if the ''mother'' was Ditto, the offspring would be a normal Poké Ball. If the mother was ''not'' Ditto, the offspring would be in the same type of ball the mother was in, even Luxury Ball. This was true even when I deleted the v1.1 DLC, meaning I must be misremembering what happened with my Eevee a month ago. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 19:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::So then what happens in ''Pokémon X and Y'' when one breeds a genderless Pokémon with Ditto? Does the offspring inherit any of its parent's Poké Balls, or does the offspring always come inside a standard red-and-white Poké Ball? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

== TMs No Longer Inherited? ==

I just bred some {{p|Spinarak}} over here in Pokémon X, in a feeble attempt to yield a shiny, and both the mother and father know the following moves: {{m|Psychic}}, {{m|Sludge Bomb}}, {{m|Sucker Punch}} and {{m|X-Scissor}}, in that order. The hatchlings are coming out with {{m|Poison Sting}}, {{m|String Shot}}, {{m|Sucker Punch}} and {{m|Psychic}}, in that order. Spinarak does learn Sucker Punch at level 26 and Psychic at level 40, which makes sense for those two moves. It can also learn Sludge Bomb and X-Scissor by TM, but those aren't winding up on my offspring. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 04:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:Confirmed, unfortunately :( I just traded over some pokes with TMs onto a new save so that I could breed them and the TM moves aren't there. So far, it's been male Togetic w/ Ditto and male Escavalier w/ Ditto. I triple checked that the babies were able to learn the parents' TMs, but they start with junky lvl 1 moves... Sad day. [[User:Lessthan1337|(_esstha(\)1337]] ([[User talk:Lessthan1337|talk]]) 23:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, it'd be a sad day maybe if TMs weren't recyclable now. (-: It made sense to pass down TM moves back when TMs were single-use, but nowadays there's not much of a need. If you want the hatchling to know the move, just use the TM after it hatches. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 17:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Well, this is a surprising development... I guess you could just teach the offspring the TM that you want it to learn ''directly'', although this news discourages Trainers who haven't found all of the available TMs in-game yet want to breed with Pokémon (possibly traded) that happen to know TMs as part of their movesets... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
::I have anecdotal evidence too. I just paired my male {{m|Shadow Claw}} {{p|Lucario}} (Kalos native) with my female {{m|Swords Dance}} Lucario (from HeartGold) and the baby Riolu(s) did not inherit ''any'' moves whatsoever, despite that Riolu can learn both moves from [[TM65]] & [[TM75]] which I do have. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 06:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

== Ditto will act as the male when breeding with genderless Pokes ==

There is a method (which I'm not going to explain) floating around online (and I have used it, it works like a charm) on how to get perfect IVs a lot easier, having to do with using the in-game boosting to level 50 function and breeding magikarps...but that's not what is important. The important part relevant to this discussion is which pokemon acts as which gender.

I think its important to note that Ditto will act as the Male when breeding with a genderless pokemon. The method I mentioned before is very gender-specific.
[[User:Jibbyjackjoe|Jibbyjackjoe]] ([[User talk:Jibbyjackjoe|talk]]) 07:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think it might help if you linked to the method, just in case others want to test for similar results...? Additionally, the gender that Ditto "acts" as during breeding needs some clarification and/or testing (possibly in all generations, excluding Generation 1). By happenstance, in ''Pokémon Emerald Version'', I recently bred a Starmie (with the moveset of [[Ice Beam]], [[Thunderbolt]], [[Surf]], and [[Recover]], 3 of which are TMs in Generation 3) with a Ditto, and the Staryu offspring surprisingly had this moveset: Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and [[Harden]]. I switched the Day-Care "slots" of the Ditto and the Starmie (meaning that Starmie acted as "Parent A" for one breeding session, and "Parent B" for another breeding session); the resulting Staryu offspring also had Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Harden. This surprising occurrence leads me to believe that, '''for [[Move]] Inheritance purposes''' (at least in ''Emerald Version''), when breeding a genderless Pokémon with Ditto, the genderless Pokémon acts as the "male", being able to pass down [[TM]]s and [[HM]]s that it knows. I'd like to see what the results are in other generations, though. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

== Hatching O-Power stacks with flame body and Magma Armor abilities ==

It would appear that the hatching O-Power does in fact stacks with Flame Body and Magma Armor. I was hatching some Bagon (5 eggs with a Magcargo with Magma Armor) and while it took at or a little more then the 3 minutes the lv 3 O-power lasts, but they did hatch within 3 minutes or so. However, using Lv 1 O-Power, the 3 min time elapsed on the second 5 egg batch and I spent a long long time trying to hatch them after that 3 minutes. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

== Nidos and Volbeat/Illumise ==

In Gen VI, if I have a female Nidoran with its Hidden Ability, and I breed it with a Ditto or other compatible partner, is it possible to receive a male Nidoran with its Hidden Ability, or will only female offspring have the hidden ability? Same question for Volbeat and Illumise. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 23:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:For breeding purposes, Nidoran(m/f) and Illumise/Volbeat are considered the same Pokémon and work the same way that other Pokémon work, including passing down hidden abilities. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 23:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 23:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Destiny Knot + Power item breeding? ==

I find the current page description confusing; exactly how does it work again and what's this part about one item overriding the other?

I'm trying to visualize it from a procedural standpoint ... e.g:
# Baby is initialized with a default set of random IVs.
# Overwrite three (or with Destiny Knot, five) IVs with values from either parent.
# Power Item overrides one selected value with the corresponding value from the parent.
# This is the final set of IVs the baby will be born with.

If I look at it this way, a Destiny Knot absolutely guarantees 5 IV's and a Power Item could potentially pass down the sixth (a 1/6 probability), but I'm sure this is not an accurate explanation of the mechanics.... --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 02:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

== Destiny Knot influences gender of the baby? ==

I'm doing some IV breeding with the Power items and Destiny Knot in my [[Pokemon Y]] when I noticed something strange -- at first I thought it was just a fluke, but then it starts happening repeatedly ... under the same conditions....
* While trying to breed some {{p|Litleo}}, I hatched almost 20 female eggs ''in a row'' before getting even one male baby (after which I took the parents back). I think the mother was holding a Destiny Knot.
* I bred about a dozen {{p|Smeargle}} eggs and ''all but one'' were female (again, at which point I took the parents back). From a species known to have a 50/50 gender ratio. And the mother was the one holding a Destiny Knot.
* Out of curiosity, I swap the parents' items and try again, and a quick batch of five eggs turn out to be four males and one female. I'm going back to run some more, but the father was most definitely holding a Destiny Knot this time.

'''Hypothesis:''' Thinking there's a 50% chance that if one parent is holding a Destiny Knot, the baby will inherit their gender.

Anyone else want to experiment with this and post what you get? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 06:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:I've looked around online, and several other people have made the same hypothesis as you. I think it's likely, but I certainly don't feel comfortable giving a specific probability. It's possible that it's just that the [[personality value]] is affected in a specific way and there is no universal probability, or the probability could be dependent on gender ratio. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::Well Ratio aside, I did notice something like this with breeding Charmander. We know the species favors males, however when I first started, the Gender ratio was 50-50 for my hatchlings. This might have been because I kept giving Destiny Knot to both parents not knowing who was suppose to hold it ^^;

::But once I had a 4IV female on stats where I wanted them, I bred her with my Timid WT Japanese 5IV Charizard Stud (which feels so weird saying/typing that, but that's the technical term when breeding) Later egg batches produced 3 females two 2 males, 4 females to 1 male and switch between. Sometimes I only get 2 females and 3 males, but if my understanding of the ratio is correct, I am more likely to get 4-5 males and 0-1 females. That's not to say I always get at least to females, or even a female at all. Still this deserves to be investigated by people who know math/probability better.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Ratios cannot switch unless you switch the conditions. The ratio applies to your whole sample. If, when you were breeding the 5IV male with the 4IV female, you hatched 3 batches of 5 eggs, your whole sample is 15 eggs; you do not have 3 different ratios for each batch. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:42, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
And that there is again why someone with good math skills needs to fully test this. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

:Well, I've given it a few more breeding runs and it looks like my previous runs are indeed just random flukes (though it does imply Litleo are clearly biased towards females) -- a run of 25 Smeargle (father holding Destiny Knot) produced 14 males and 11 females (56:44%, but this is close to standard) and a run of 25 {{p|Fennekin}} (mother holding Destiny Knot) produced only 3 females (~7:1). So I'm equal parts disappointed (it would've made breeding for gender much easier) and relieved (I can hopefully stop testing it now and get back to normal breeding).

:(Mathematical sidenote: Given X trials of a 1-in-X probability, the chances of said probability never happening in that run are roughly 1/e (or 38%). So if you hatched 8 Eevees, expect a 1-in-3 chance you won't have a single female among the whole lot.) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 20:23, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I think this deserves a little more investigating. I think to some degree the Destiny Knot does effect gender, just not really big. I keep having huge spells of no females when breeding Charizard, and when I switch the DK to the female I start getting females. Idk if its a fluke, but I personally think the DK does have some power. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::I've been looking over the Pokemon I have hatched in the last month, and it seems that the females (Regardless of which parent held the Destiny Knot) all inherited more stats from their mother than their father. This might be the catalyst or just a very bizarre coincidence.

::But the difference between the males and females is that they usually always have the stat(s) that favor the parent with their gender. I mean this isn't 100%, but I have no females that seem to favor the father's inherited stats. Again, this could all be coincidence and circumstantial evidence.

::Anyways, of the Pokémon, I noticed that the Charmanders I so diligently hatched over the month which came from nearly identical 5IV parents had a large volume of females in them. The only stat the parents did not have perfect was Attack. They both had the same moves (Flamethrower, Flare Blize, Slash and Dragon Rush) and nature (Timid) so only their Attack stat (which was different for both) and the male being Japanese were the wild cards.

::Unfortunately I discovered that the kind of Charizard I wanted (Timid 5IV Shinny with max Speed and Sp. Atk) could not use Dragon Rush to its fullest due to it being a Physical move. Thats when I Bred out Dragon Rush and Bred in Dragon Pulse. This lead to a new problem, I would need a 5IV female with Dragon Pulse to breed with the 5IV japenese Charizard male to produce the 5IV Shiny I wanted so badly. I was able to get a 5IV male Charmander with Dragon Pulse instead of Dragon Rush from 5th generation 3IV parents, However I couldn't get a female. So I started breeding the 5IV male with a 4IV female in hopes of siring a 5IV female with Dragon Pulse so I could resume my attempts for a Timid 5IV Shiny.

::This new pair noticeably produced less daughters, and if my theory about inherited stats and the Destiny Knot is correct, this is because the father's stats would always be statically favored. Plus, none of the females in this batch would go beyond 4IV and always were born with stats identical to or close (3IV) to their mother. I bread for 3 days trying to get a female with 5IVs, and had 0 Luck. I had lots of 5IV males and one 6IV males, but no 5IV females.

::So after going through all this and reviewing the results.... I am pretty much convinced that which parent holds the Destiny Knot has nothing to do with gender, but instead its what stats are inherited when Destiny Knot is in play. Again this might just be circumstantial.

::Hopefully we can get into the game's coding and (no pun intended) decode the mysteries of breeding in gen VI. We should try and research this to see if Stats inherited with the Destiny Knot influences gender even in the slightest. This needs some investigation with sterile testing conditions and someone who is good at statistics. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:58, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure this hypothesis is invalid. I hatched 16 Lapras eggs (50:50 gender ratio), and the father held the knot. I got only seven males. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I meant to redact my former statement earlier in the week, after I got 3 female snorlax in a batch of 5. The father was holding the DK, so it all comes down to just plain luck. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

:I'd like to once again bring this topic back up with another hypothesis. I think the gender of the baby is influenced by which parent it inherits its IVs from. In other words, inheriting an IV from a parent increases the chance of the baby sharing its gender with that parent. If this hypothesis is correct, it means you have direct influence over what gender the baby has by giving it a power item. (The exact numbers I do not know.)

:I've been breeding hundreds of Snorlaxes; the father has 5 perfect IVs, and the mother has 1, 2, or 3 in each case that I've tested. In each case, I used a power item to guarantee an IV was passed down from the father that the mother didn't have, and the results I've seen are around 80% male when Snorlax should be 50% male-female. This is after breeding around 100 Snorlaxes. (Note: The species of the male didn't appear to matter, as I saw the same results when I started with a Whismur as the father.)

:To further confirm this, I have hatched 8 male Snorlaxes with 5 perfect IVs, and not a single 5 perfect IV female. The females I did hatch tended to have less perfect IVs (generally having at least one of their mother's perfect IVs plus the IV guaranteed to come from the father due to the power item). Whereas, the males usually had 3+ perfect IVs. However, this particular bit of data is unconvincing to me as my sample size for females was quite small due to the fact that I only had around 20% female hatch rate.

:As a secondary hypothesis, I would say that the IVs inherited might influence the personality value of the baby. In other words, this might not only influence gender, but everything influenced by the personality value, such as ability, nature, shininess and Wurmple's evolution. I have only tested this in Omega Ruby, so it may be a new mechanic to ORAS. I'll also mention that the mother was holding a Destiny Knot in each case and both parents had the same OT in what I tested if anyone was interested. I wonder if anyone else has come across similar results, and I will probably do some further testing to see what I can find. [[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] ([[User talk:Naokohiro|talk]]) 20:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
::Snorlax is 87.5% male, 12.5% female; your data actually has slightly more females than you would expect. I also bred Snorlax a while ago when this topic first came up, and my data approximately matched the gender ratio. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Okay, I feel really dumb now. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] ([[User talk:Naokohiro|talk]]) 08:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Also, the 80% was a guess, I thought maybe it was higher. [[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] ([[User talk:Naokohiro|talk]]) 08:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

== Receive an Egg, go inside, find there is another waiting outside ==

I'm not sure if this is a glitch or what, but sometimes I will receive an egg from the daycare man, go inside and deposit it, come back out and there he is with another egg. Sometimes I don't even go to the PC, sometimes I try to withdraw the parents so no more eggs are found, only to get told by the daycare lady that her husband was looking for me and outside he has another egg. Is this normal, a glitch or something new? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:This has pretty much always happened, so I doubt it's a glitch. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
::So for a lack of a better word, its just 'luck'?
::I was somewhat also wondering if it was some kind of left over egg cycle count or something. I guess not. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Every 255 steps an Egg has a chance of being made, regardless of if the man's already holding onto one or not. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

== Gen VI first Egg deterministic? ==

I bred the same pair of Wurmple 10+ times in XY (both from the same/another (ORAS) player, both newly caught in ORAS). I'd grab a couple Eggs, hatch them, and then evolve them (to see if they became Cascoon or Silcoon), then reset afterwards to before I left the Wurmple at the Day Care. And for a while I noticed that the first Egg seemed to always be Cascoon (when both of the parents could evolve into Cascoon; but this may be coincidence), and when I started paying attention, I noticed that in 10 resets, all 10 times, the first Egg hatched into a female/Careful/Mischievous/Cascoon-evolution Wurmple (and the last 6 times, I also noted the stats at lv8, and they were the same). Their second Egg was apparently random.

This raises a number of questions.
* Is this new to Gen VI?
* Is this at all variable? I.e., maybe there's a random factor, but maybe it only randomizes when a new day starts.
* Is it reliant on a "fresh" pair of Pokemon, or at least one "fresh" Pokemon? I.e., if one (or if both) have bred before, will the first Egg when they are left at the Day Care be random? Or is the logic that, ''any time'' two Pokemon are left at the Day Care, the first Egg will always be set and only the second and later Eggs will actually be random?
I may not have the patience/time to get to these questions, but I wanted to put this out here for someone to look into maybe. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:Seems to me the first egg might have been produced before you saved, so when you reset it you just got the same egg over and over [[User:Litwick96|Litwick96]] ([[User talk:Litwick96|talk]]) 04:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::I think one of us isn't understanding something (and I'm open to it being either of us, really)... At the point where I saved, I had no Pokemon deposited in the Day Care. And after I deposited both Wurmple, it still took random amounts of time for me to receive an Egg. Were you thinking that I had actually saved with Pokemon in the Day Care, or did you mean something else? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I must have missed where you said you saved before depositing your Wurmple, my bad. [[User:Litwick96|Litwick96]] ([[User talk:Litwick96|talk]]) 05:57, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

== event moves ==

I couldn't find this on the article, but do event moves pass down. like for example an endeavor pikachu from the Pikachu cup, can it pass down endeavor? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
:A Pokémon can only pass down level-up moves, TM/HM moves (in Gen II-V), Tutor moves (in Crystal), and Egg Moves for that specific species. Some Pokémon (Snorlax and Dratini) have moves that can only be bred from event Pokémon in the first place, but you cannot pass down moves unless the Pokémon's species specifically allows it.
:Since Pichu does not have Endeavor as an Egg Move or level-up move, it is not possible for the Pikachu Cup Pikachu to pass down Endeavor. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== New breeding technique possible? ==

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that the PID for an egg in [[Generation VI]] is determined after the previous egg is picked up. If this is indeed the case, then IV passing techniques (like the Destiny Knot) probably don't apply for the current egg, but rather the next one (since the PID and therefore IVs have already been determined) -- if you breed a 31/31/31/31/31/31 IV spread with a Destiny Knot, the first offspring might not have any perfect IVs, but the one following it will have at least 5 of them perfect, even if the parents are different. Theoretically, this would allow breeding up any breedable Pokémon with almost perfect IVs (at least a 1/32 chance) by alternating between a "perfect pair" (which will pass down 5 perfect IVs) and a "desired pair" (which will determine species, egg moves, ball, etc.). I don't have much capacity to really test this theory at this time (nothing close to 5 perfect IVs right now, let alone the best of 6), but if someone can validate it, it should probably be described on the page. I'll continue to look for a citation for the initial statement. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
:Beaten to the punch. A similar (and slightly better) technique is described on [http://www.azurilland.com/forums/pokemon-6th-generation/pokemon-x-y/454281-6th-gen-rng-egg-abuse-found-by-japanese-community Azurilland] and confirmed by Smogon (according to the linked thread). Not where I originally read about it, but good enough for me. Adding the bit about the PID to the page. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
::And rereading is making me doubt it. I'll need to go do some testing myself before I'd add it to the page. Meh, guess it's time to get a collection of 3 perfect IV parents... [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Azurilland's thread isn't a very good explanation or exploration; [http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/some-sort-of-egg-rng-abuse-read-the-first-post.3491324/ Smogon's] is (eventually).
:::There's a few too many complicated details for me to try to add anything about it to the page either, though, without putting it to practice and getting the feel of it myself. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Destiny Knot Clarification ==

Are the extra IVs passed down unaffected by which parent holds the Destiny Knot? Like, if I have a 5IV Pokémon and a 0IV Pokémon, the 0IV one could hold it and the offspring will have the same chance of inheriting the perfect IVs? If so, I feel that the article could stand to be slightly clearer (like ", regardless of which parent holds it," or something), because that would have saved me a lot of time in the process of breeding my Naive Froakie. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 02:37, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

== Inheriting pokeball effects ==

Do pokeball effects on inherited balls carry down?

e.g. two parents with friend balls, the hatched pokemon starts with the friend ball effect of increased friendship.

[[User:Kubi|Kubi]] ([[User talk:Kubi|talk]]) 02:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

So I don't think so.

Bred a Pichu and Rilou egg, Pichu in a friend ball (for potential 200 base friendship) and Rilou not (for standard 70 friendship), and both of them hit their friendship evolutions in the low 20's.

Both parent's bred with the same Ditto, leveled via exp share, and no berries were used.

[[User:Kubi|Kubi]] ([[User talk:Kubi|talk]]) 17:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== new section - Inheriting Forms? ==

Is it now time to add a section on inheriting forms for the breeding mechanics of pokemon like deerling, oricorio, burmy etc? Most of the time the pokemon inherits the form of the mother/non-ditto parent, but there's a few exceptions like vivillon, gen v deerling/sawsbuck and kantonian form pokemon bred in alola without everstone. Most of this is on other pages already, but I think it makes sense for it to be here too. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 12:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

==Genderless Ability Inheritance Odds==

While I was breeding a Porygon with download with a ditto I noticed a distinct lack of trace offsprings. After ~30 eggs I only received one trace Porygon. Needless to say this is far less then the normal 60% chance that the female normally has. Am I just really unlucky? {{unsigned|BobBot321|22:29, 15 January 2017}}
:Assuming the 50/50 split suggested by the page, the chance of getting 1 out of 30 is about 28 in a billion. Assuming 60/40 biased towards download (it's always biased towards the ''same'' ability as the non-ditto parent, not the other one as your comment suggests you believe) the chance is about 4.5 in a million. I would say you're right, the odds are probably very different from that. But I couldn't really say what they are. Anyone here good with statistics? [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 23:22, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
:: Both Download and Trace are normal abilities so the chance is 80%, and the offspring are more likely to get the same ability from the parent not the opposite. Hidden abilities is 60% for females but at least in gen 6 it was 20% for genderless.
::Chance of having only one offspring with Trace = ((0.8^29)*0.2)*30 = ~1% [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 10:35, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

==Alolan Formes==
I don't know where it would go on the page but it should probably be mentioned that Kantonian Pokémon bred with Alolan Pokémon will produce Alolan Pokémon, even if they're not the same species. If an Alolan Pokémon is involved in the breeding process, it'll produce an Alolan Pokémon. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 03:15, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
:That's not quite the case. As is already noted on the [[regional variant]] page, ''all'' eggs in Alola hatch as Alolan Pokemon, regardless of the parents. (The only exception is if the Kantonian parent holds an Everstone.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
:That still belongs on the breeding page too though. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 03:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

== Pokeball inheriting ==

Trying to breed my Protean Froakie into a pokeball. Got a male in a luxury ball, and a female in a regular ball, male is holding a life orb, female an everstone for the nature. Every egg so far has had the fathers ball, not the mothers. Yet the page clearly claims that shouldn't happen. I'm in Pokemon Sun, not using a ditto.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 09:01, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Treecko (Pokémon)

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In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]], when Treecko walks, it uses all the four hands/feet.
"Treecko [...] is bipedal" [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 01:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC) 
Yeah, I included that in the Trivia. [[User:LatiasGemstonr|LatiasGemstonr]] 
This peice of trivia is now untrue, as tsutaaja's official art and sprite show him as bipedal.--[[User:Wind|Wind]] 20:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
small edit, 'trees it is said that these trees will live a very long life.' these to those please. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

==Returning the Favor?==
In HG/SS you can get the Hoenn starters after getting sixteen badges and in Emerald you could get The Johto starters after, I think after you complete the national dex. Trivia item perhaps? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:35, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Concept art ==

http://i52.tinypic.com/kcz1ux.png

Archives is locked, ATM, so I can't upload it there.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Is Treecko based off Yoshi? ==

Do you think Treecko is based off {{wp|Yoshi}}? I have ever seen Pokémon based on non-Pokémon Nintendo characters. [[User:SpecialStageRoute|Special Stage Route]] ([[User talk:SpecialStageRoute|pit stop]]) 09:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
:Their only similarity is that they are green reptiles, and there are hundreds of fictional green reptiles.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:38, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
== are we going to get te 3d images from the new games or ar we just going to be using the most recent artwork ==
are we just using the artwork or shall we see if we can get some 3d images from the games {{unsigned|Thegrassmaster}}

== Tail ==

Anyone else notice how, prior to gen VI, Treecko's tail was a thick solid tail with two small nubs at the tip, but now its two separate tails that move on their own? Trivia or no?--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 03:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:XY014

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== Espurr's psychic attack ==

Could it not be possible that Espurr used Miracle Eye right before sending Inkay and Team Rocket blasting off? Just before it actually did anything to Team Rocket, both its eyes glowed so it could have used it and been the first anime use of the move, and while its eyes glowed a lot when it used psychic its also possible that had it used any moves it could have been just the anime's way of espurr doing any psychic based attack.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 02:28, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:If it's not confirmed in dialogue, we can't speculate as to which attack it used. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

::Then by all rights we have no clue if it was psychic that was actually used, it could have been confusion or even some natural ability only the anime version has, as we have seen countless times before where pokemon in the anime have natural powers that aren't available within the games.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 23:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:XY014

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Talk:Volbeat (Pokémon)

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== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|おしりの　ひかりを　てんめつさせて　なかまと　かいわする。イルミーゼの　だす　あまい　かおりが　だいすき。|It flashes the light on its rear to communicate with others. It loves Illumise's sweet aroma.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

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Is it really necessary to mention a band which has no relation to the pokémon Volbeat other than in name in the Trivia section?
[[User:Draconium|Draconium]] 20:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:Do you know any other bands that share the same name as other Pokemon? Even if they don't have any relation to each other, it's still interesting to note. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 03:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
::The band didn't even name themselves after the Pokémon. It's more or less just pure coincidence, I don't think it should be noted. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 03:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sometimes coincidences can be valid trivia, depending on how big or unusual said coincidence is. I think the stated trivia is fine. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution Section ==

Since Volbeat can be bred from Illumise, should the evolution box be changed to something similar to this? The Ditto would need to be removed though:

{{Evobox
|family=Breedonly
|sprite1=313
|name1=Volbeat
|type1-1=Bug
|evotype1=None
|sprite2=314
|name2=Illumise
|type1-2=Bug
}}

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:I had planned it out for Volbeat and the Nidos at one point, some of the higher-ups didn't approve of it at the time though.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I've made a newer template (yes I know this is an old discussion):
{{User:Vuvuzela2010/Template: Evobox/Illumise}}
'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== exp. ==

Volbeat needs the lowest amount of exp. to reach lv. 100 possible, but Illumise needs the highest amount of exp. to reach lv. 100 possible. Something unique? Nickvang 16:53 10 july 2011

== Shiny ==

I've noticed that Volbeat's Shiny version looks like the Elite Fighter Fly from ML:SSS, which is the regular Fighter Fly's old colors. Should we put this in trivia? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 11:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Uhh... (somewhat off topic) ==

I was playing PMD: Time when I saw a job with [something like] this as the description:

"My bodyguard, Volbeat, has gone missing! '''She''' must be saved! Please help '''her'''!"

Should something like this be mentioned as trivia? [[User:Mathfreak231|--Mathfreak231]] ([[User talk:Mathfreak231|talk]]) 00:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
:Could you show us a picture as evidence? That is quite unusual. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:20, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

== fixed an error ==

Im pretty sure this was an error: the article stated that in Gen V, a Volbeat bred with a ditto could producr a Nidoran F. I changed this to Illumise. [[User:Moffooo|Moffooo]] ([[User talk:Moffooo|talk]]) 20:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

== Volbeat's wings ==

Because Volbeat has small wings, could someone add it to the biology section or is it already there? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 02:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

== Volbeat naming ==

So it turns out Volbeat is the name of a Danish heavy metal band, something interesting since the pokemon Volbeat is musical in nature. Said band started in 2001, here is the wikipedia page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volbeat] [[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 04:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:Opinion and highly unlikely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

::What, exactly, is highly unlikely? I merely found it interesting, and thought it'd be nice to share.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 07:12, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Volbeat (Pokémon)

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Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6

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<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE {{color2|FF0000|BW001|FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES}}. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Archives ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]

__TOC__

==Border==
I've brought this up before about the horrid border coloration, but it has still stayed in place. I have an idea, in that we could colour it white and blue, like his clothing. It would look so much nicer. Torngentleman2 10:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:That would probably be good. Why the box colors are those of Pikachu is quite puzzling. --[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 10:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
::I think they are the colors of the Red and Yellow games; because Ash is based on Red and Yellow was based on the anime.

::PS: Torngentleman2, you are not allowed to have images in your signature. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Now that I'm looking at it, that would look much nicer. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 15:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
::::[[User:Kenji-girl/Sandbox|Thoughts?]] I personally like example 2. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::I love Example 3. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Now for me it's a close call between number 2 & number 4, I think the yellow is good to have, honestly though, I like them all more than the current colours [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 01:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Example 2 and 4 are my choices. I don't care which one as long as there is some yellow in there. It's not that important that we change the colors, but I do agree that the current borders are a bad combination of colors.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 02:42, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I too felt there should be yellow in there. Having white and blue only sort of implies he's a Water and Normal-type Trainer to me... Which is why I still like 2. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I definately think Example 2 is better than Example 4, but my personal favourite is Example 1, as Pikachu is in the image, so he's not unrepresented. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 16:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I've thought long and hard, I have decided I like the yellow on example 2 best [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 22:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think this looks better if you replace the "normal" with "white"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 23:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

==Talk page note==
I don't think we need the "ALL CAPS" note on the top of this page. Wouldn't it be better leaving it as a hidden note or in some other format, as it doesn't seem to come up very often in the archives?--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 19:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:We do. It comes up all the time but a lot of the edits get reverted. Check the history. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

=='As of BW001'==
I think we should get rid of that note next to his age. If he hasn't aged over all that time, he's never going to reach 11. So I think we should just list his age as 10 and nothing but, so it looks neater. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 14:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there have been two times on where it was implied that Ash was 11, one was in [[EP063]] (albeit being only present in the dub versions), and the special on where they celebrate the first anniversary since Ash and Pikachu first met, if I remembered which one it was, I'd link it. But yeah, the series have implied (whether on dub or not) that time has passed whether it actually happened or not. I guess that's why it's been pointed out. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 15:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to say this again. Do not turn this into an age discussion. That's not what this was about. Violators will be dealt with. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manga ==

We most add that his counterpart in the pokemon adventures manga red is. Both have fight there rival in the final of the pokemon league and win. Both have a Pikachu. We most edit this.--[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 08:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Just out of sheer curiosity... ==

Why was so much Trivia removed? I mean, that was a LOT of trivia, and I could see the reason for most of it being removed (out of date, etc.) but there is some of it that is still valid right (like the stuff about how he constructs his teams)? Just one person's opinion, and I am not staff or anything, so feel free to ignore or whatever, but I was just curious. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイの騎士]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|デジタルテレビ]] 23:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it was tooooo long, so someone shorten it so the page would load all right. That's just my guess. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 19:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

== Oversized page ==

I got a message on the edit page saying that it reached the limit of over 32kb and needs to be broken into smaller sections. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of big pages say that. I don't believe it's a concern. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

== Rotation ==

Come on, why is Pikachu in rotation too? -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 06:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:And we still have complaints? Geesh. Why are Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and Scraggy there despite never leaving Ash's team? These are the pokémon he is using in Unova, so they are all in one section. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Archeops ==

The Archeops from [[BW040]] could potentially go in Ash's 'temporary' section, but I don't know whether or not it would be classed as being trained by Ash, or at least Ash in particular. What do you guys think? [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 19:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:Wait for the episode to air so we fully know the circumstances. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::The episode has airred, this user ment to say [[BW036]], that's the Archeops he is reffering to [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I think it's a bit different. With Cottonee, he actually trained it, and used it to battle against Iris and Cilan. Archen he only helped teach to fly, and he wasn't the only one. He was just the only one with a flying type (who would listen). But he never actually commanded it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Agreed, if we counted this we'd have to add Swablu as well [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I guess that sums up my confusion at why Archeops wasn't on the episode list :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Thing is, while only once or twice, Ash did tell her what to do. Ash never commanded a move, but he did ask her do do things like fly towards Ash, or to jump. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 13:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Reshiram/Zekrom ==

If we are counting Reshiram/Zekrom as under Dread's ownership, then shouldn't we do the same for Ash? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 20:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
:I haven't seen the movie. But movie characters =/= main characters. They are permitted to have Pokémon like that because that will be their only full appearance. Both [[Sam]] and Ash befriended Celebi equally yet Sam is the only one who has Celebi on his page. And since I didn't see the movie, I have no idea if Ash had as much influence over Reshiram/Zekrom as Dread Grangil did.

:Unless Ash specifically gave Reshiram/Zekrom commands, then they're just like all of the other legendaries he's befriended and worked with. Ash has to have some sort of dominance over them and/or having an extremely close relationship like May and Manaphy rather than just going along for the ride. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Party ==

If some Pokémon Don't leave Ash, Why are they in rotation, Can't we just have With Ash and With Juniper and Keep updating it. [[User:ReaNintendo|ReaNintendo]] 20:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
:We already had a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash_Ketchum/Archive_5#Lock HUGE] debate over this. We can never be certain who Ash rotates as seen in BW036 were he had the usually "rotatee", Tranquill, and Roggenrola at the same time. Meaning he had to send either Snivy, Tepig, or Scraggy (not Oshawott because he was there too). A lot of times they don't reveal who Ash sent back when he withdrew another. It's best for it to stay like this. Updating it every week is troublesome and causes conflicts. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Ash's Gliscor ==

Hi. um. Shouldn't Gliscor should be in the section with Charizard and Squirtle instead of the "Status Unknown". I mean, Ash left Gliscor with the Air Battle Master and then he recalled Gliscor back for the Sinnoh League. And if Gliscor is not in Pf. Oak's lab, Gliscor should be back with the Air Battle Master.{{unsigned|Mr. RPG}}

:Everyone is being needlessly picky and saying that we don't have confirmation that Gliscor went back into training. I argued on [[Talk:Ash's Gliscor]] that on one of Charizard's reappearances it was not confirmed that it went back to the Valley until it appeared next, yet that appears not to be a problem. Nothing suggests that Torterra or any of the others were sent back to Oak's lab - it was presumed. Why shouldn't Gliscor be presumed as well? I support moving Gliscor but unfortunately I have so far ben ignored. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 01:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
::You cannot compare what happens with Ash's party after he completes a journey to Gliscor. We know that they went to Oak's because that's what he always does.

::Maybe he decided to keep Gliscor after it returned from McCann because its training was complete. Not like it had some special duty like Primeape, Squirtle, and Charizard. We can't assume things with Pokémon that are in training. So it's best to just say that its whereabouts are currently unknown (which means it's either with McCann or Oak). --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Not to mention Charizard always returns to the Charicific Valley, it's common knowledge. Even if it wasn't shown once, it's obvious that is where is goes. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

== should this be there? ==

Should raticate be in the traded away section? He never even used it.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 18:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:Are you seriously suggesting that the classification for "owned Pokémon" should be whether or not they participated in a battle? He owned Raticate, and then he traded it away for Butterfree. Very simple. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 20:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

::I agree with LGC. Where else would it go? '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== How do we ==

how do we know that ash has thirty tauros? Did the show say so or did someone count or something?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:He captures thirty of them in [[EP035]]. It's an episode not shown in the dub due to excessive gun use by the Safari warden, though the Tauros make several other appearances and i think it's mentiones elsewhere that he specifically has 30. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::[[EP065]] confirms it. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh ya. I recently watched that episode so why didn't I think of that? whatever--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 00:10, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== MV14 ==

I know it's out tonight on cartoon network but do you think in his befriended section there should be Reshiram and Zekrom? or is that a 'cannon'? [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 17:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
:Please look a few sections above this one. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

== snivy picture ==

Why was the Ash's snivy picture changed? {{unsigned|Supermon}}
:Because someone uploaded a new one. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pikachu in Rotation? ==

OK, I know there has already been a big dispute over stuff like this, but I don't think it makes sense to say Pikachu is in rotation. Pikachu is ALWAYS with Ash in every episode, and Ash would need to transfer Pikachu via a Poké Ball, which Pikachu has not been in since the 1st episode. I think we can safely say that Pikachu is "on hand." サトシ 23:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC) ([[User:Satoshi101]])

::Pikachu was not on hand during the battle against Elesa, apparently. And the his pokeball have appeared in several episodes of the original series, including the Brock's debut.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 23:11- 27 December 2011
:::No, Pikachu is on hand in Elsa's battle, it just sits out. And Pikachu's Pokéball only appeared in Pokemon-I Choose You!, The Chikorita Rescue, and Snow Way Out!. I don't know where you got your info but it's incorrect. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

::Ash calls Pikachu back during the battle against Brock, this is a classic scene of the episode. And you even contradicts himself when says that it is not seen since the first episode, but cites other two.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 23:28- 27 December 2011
:::::He tries to, but he isn't successful. And if he did, that would mean Pikachu's still on hand. You really need to get your facts straight. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::He's there because it's a little silly just to create a special little section for just Pikachu while everyone else is in rotation. We are aware that he would never take Pikachu off of his team. It's just to avoid having to update it every week and making unneeded sections. And in rotation doesn't mean were trying to say he's going to send Pikachu to where ever. He was also never shown to have send Oshawott (among a few others) back either. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Blocked!?!? ==

I recently checked the page,it's protected.anybody know what happened?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:12, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Check the history of the page to see. There was an edit war yesterday. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
That explains it.thanks Pokemaster.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:04, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== TRIVIA-MUST READ ==

I have a trivia piece: '' Starting from the Advanced Generation series, a pattern has started. Ash has caught one starter in Hoenn, two in Sinnoh and all three again in Unova ''. It was taken off by a user named '' Ataro '' or something and I undid it ( sorry if you were an admin ) can someone tell me why? --[[User:Skarm|'''Skarm''']] ''([[User talk:Skarm|'''tAlk''']])'' 03:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:The edit summary said it was not really needed so that's why it was undone I'd imagine. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 03:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Another Trivia piece if you don't mind......

Every time Ash battles and defeats a rival, he constantly loses to the next one in league tournaments, usually because his opponents are older, more experienced trainers with Pokémon that Ash has never seen or battled before.

Other than the Orange League, Ash has never won a league tournament.

Ash seems to catch less Pokémon when he is traveling with a new trainer.
While traveling with May he caught 6 Pokémon, and while traveling with Dawn he caught 5 and obtained Buizel by trading with Dawn.
While traveling with Misty he caught 18 Pokémon not counting Pikachu which he obtained by Professor Oak, and so far while traveling with Cilan and Iris he has caught 7 Pokémon and hatched Scraggy from an egg.

Clinton_Jai 14:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Not really notable to be honest. [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 14:26, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

:3, 3, 1, 2, 3 isn't much of a pattern. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:18, 6, 5, 7 isn't much of a pattern either. None of the pieces of trivia suggested here seem to be notable in my opinion.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 23:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
::That piece of trivia looks very opinionated even if it happens. Secondly, it was copied off from the Pokémon wikia. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

==Climbing==
In several episodes and movies it is shown that ash is a really good climber (in [[M04|Pokemon4ever]] Misty and Brock comment that he "Climbs like a mankey." He's also been reffered to as a Primeape and an Aipom. Even in one of the first episodes of BW he climbs up a tree with little difficulty compared to Iris trying to catch up to Team Rocket to get Pikachu and Axew. Shouldnt we add this somewhere in the article? [[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 00:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)LuigiLover
:I remember him being a good climber too. I agree. It should be included in Ash's article.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 18:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for agreeing, I'm not sure of all the exact episodes and movies it was mentioned in. But I can find it out on [http://www.pokemonepisode.org/] but it might take a while -.-'[[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 01:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)LuigiLuvr
Ah, I can help out with this. In the season 4 episode, "The Screen Actor's Guilt", Ash tells everyone that, when he was little, he climbed a lot of trees (I can't remember the exact line, you'll have to watch the episode to find out exactly what Ash says). And then, after saying this, he proceeds to climb a tree. Later in season 5, "Hatching A Plan", Ash climbs a tree to rescue Pikachu and Phanpy. =) --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 13:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!! I'll check those episodes and I'll read the descriptions on some others to see if they mention it. [[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 16:39, June 1 2012
I added the it but only used 5 examples. I though that was better then adding all of them but if you decide they're are some more main ones feel free to add! [[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 17:41, June 1 2012

==Edit Request==

Can one of the Mods change "Spirits Symbol" to "Spirit Symbol". --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks Kenji! --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::Actually, its the Spirits Symbol, as seen in the last 20 seconds [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZoWWxc4Ri8&feature=fvst here].--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

==Question==
On [[James]], page it says at trivia that Ash briefly had no Pokémon on hand. But is this is in [[AG001]]? --[[User:Station7|Station7]] 17:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Chowolun 02:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]]

==Sandile==

Shouldn't we put that Krokorok evolved from Sandile under Ash's pokemon?? I mean we did see it evolve on screen.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 05:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
:It wasn't his at the time. That's why we don't have Primeape shown to have evolved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

== Corphish's Picture? ==

Did somebody do something to Corphish's picture? This is what I get in my browser instead of the pic: "Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/bulbawiki-media/upload/3/32/Ash_Corphish.png': No such file or directory @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2480.
convert: unable to open file `/mnt/bulbawiki-media/upload/3/32/Ash_Corphish.png' @ png.c/ReadPNGImage/2889.
convert: missing an image filename `/tmp/transform_2d9f3bd-1.png' @ convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2800."
BTW, I am using Mozilla Firefox, if that matters any. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイナイト]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|ディーティーブイ]] 14:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:Never mind, either somebody fixed it or it fixed itself? Thank you if someone did fix it, if not, I apologize for bringing it up. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイナイト]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|ディーティーブイ]] 14:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== Current badge picture ==

So, I'm on the page and I'm looking through the page and see Ash has his 8th Unova gym badge. I want to see it up close and click on the picture to view it bigger. When I do this, it takes me to a picture of him with Pikachu, Brycen and Krokorok of him obtaining his 7th badge. But then I click on the picture to view it just by itself and it takes me to the picture of him and Pikachu holding up the 8th badge. Any particular reason it still shows Brycen giving him the 7th badge and not the picture of him with all 8? If so, how do we go about fixing the page? Just a heads up. --Dylki 22:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:It just takes a while to the Archive server to sync with the Bulbapedia server. Give it time and it'll change. There's nothing we can really do about it otherwise. Not a bug, just how it is. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::Cool. I just found it quite odd but thanks for the information.--Dylki 22:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== This image... ==

[[File:Ash Pokemon with Oak.png]]
...Answer our questions about Ash's in training Pokémon and Gliscor's whereabouts. {{unsigned|‎Igor Castro Chucre}}
:We're still not sure, because Primeape is there too, and we know for a fact Primeape is not at Oak's lab. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::Chances are they just came by for a visit, you know... [[User:Jyles|Jyles]] ([[User talk:Jyles|talk]]) 17:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== Maturity ==

Can we have something about how in D/P he's super skilled, and in Black and White he's totally immature, and inexperienced? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

He's still a skilled trainer when he reached Unova. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

:It seems that he isn't (he chucks a Poké Ball at a Pidove right off the bat, and does a ton of other stupid stuff). -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
::He gets like that in almost ''every'' region. They turn Ash into an idiot to reflect the in-game thing of always starting a new adventure and having weak Pokémon etc. People might think it's foolish, but at the same time, the creators imagine the viewers are always a new generation of children, who don't know that you have to weaken a Pokémon first to catch it. So they hinder Ash's experience and intelligence to teach new viewers. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

::: At the beginning of Diamond and Pearl he didn't seems stupid to me. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

::::The anime has a Trainr experience tier and whoever is the lowest has to be portrayed as the rookie. In both Advance and DP, Ash had friends that were less experienced than he was thus the part of the inexperienced rookie was taken off of him. But because Iris and Cilan have been Trainers longer than he has (in anime time) he's the one that needs to be portrayed as the rookie. But yeah, this isn't really something that needs to be mentioned. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:07, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Dawn's Piplup ==

Why? -- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 00:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
:Why not? We do it for other characters. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
::But in DP046, Ash commanded Piplup in the same way and no one has bothered to place before.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 01:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Exegguttor ==

Ash captured a lot of Exegguttor under Hypnosys in EP043; why are they not here? --[[User:Mecanno-man|mecanno-man]][[user talk:Mecanno-man|Discussion]] 08:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
:The thing is..he didn't actually catch them in Pokè Balls.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
::I checked it again: It was acctually Melvin whou captured them... --[[User:Mecanno-man|mecanno-man]][[user talk:Mecanno-man|Discussion]] 08:22, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

== BW appearance ==

Should it be noted that his Best Wishes outfit looks almost identical to Hilbert? The pants and shoes are exactly the same, the hats are similar just reversed (Ash's hat is red on the back, Hilbert's is red in front), their shirts are similar as well.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 15:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Master

2012-09-03T11:31:14Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: Reinserting my comment that is relevant to the section. Removed by what normally would be seen as vandalism

[01:15:46] <+MrE> Aside from the Legendary issue, it would be impractical for anyone in the anime to capture and maintain 391 different creatures. Unlike the Pokémon games or Pokémon Special manga, in which Pokémon can be stored in suspended animation as computer data - Pokémon in the anime need t be fed and exercised regularly to maintain their health. Such a task would be impossible for anyone to perform alone, or even with many assistants or helpers. 
[01:16:04] <+MrE> like a zoo because zoos obviously don't keep hundreds of animals in health :( 
- [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 06:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>I very much doubt being a Pokémon Master would entail being a glorified zoo keeper. If that were the case, a would-be Pokémon master's main priority would be to stay at home, buy land, and construct large enclosements, cages, and purchasing vast quantities of food. Not to travel around and battle a handful of Pokémon. - Zeta -{{unsigned|Zeta}}

==Mewtwo Strikes Back definition==
I have a Mewtwo Strikes Back DVD. In the special features there is a brief history/summary of the Pokemon franchise. It explains what a trainer is and defines a Pokemon master as someone who has caught one of every Pokemon. I'll post the direct quote later.--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 04:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:A valid possibility but I don't think that will be how Ash becomes a Pokémon master since the emphasis on catching them all has disappeared. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::And become damn near impossible. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

== Official Pokémon Handbook definition ==

Based on the definition of a Pokémon Master in the [[Official Pokémon Handbook]], [[Ash Ketchum]] is already a Pokémon Master, since unlike his rival, he does not boast about how great he is. He also cares deeply about his Pokémon, not just uses them to win battles, unlike [[Gary Oak|Gary]].--[[User:Hitmonlee|Hitmonlee]] 20:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:That means Gary, Reggie, Jimmy, Marina, and Lance, not to mention a few hundred others, are all ''already'' Pokémon Masters.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 12:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::I have a copy of that book, and it does imply that. In the book, it talks about the Elite Four, describing them as "a select group of the best Pokemon Masters in the world." [that is a direct quote, by the way]. That implies that the title is essentially given to elite trainers, or people who have caught a lot of pokemon. And that also goes along with what the Nintendo representative said, that it is open to interpretation. So, I would interpret that the title can be given to anyone that is considered an elite trainer, but that it's not an official title. [[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 23:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Soo... Is Cynthia a Pokemon Master? ==

Ok, the article says that the belief that a Pokémon Master being a League champion has holes in that theory since Ash won the Orange League and never became a Pokémon Master, and that the Elite 4 members of each region, as well as the Champions aren't referred to as such, either.

However, I've been reading up on some threads, and people are claiming that Cynthia was referred to as a Pokémon Master in the Japanese version (or Pokémon League Champion of the world, to be exact), and that DP confirms that in order to be a Master, a trainer must beat the Elite 4 in a tournament, so I was wondering, is this really said, and if so, should the article be edited to mention this fact?

Also, should the mention of beating the Battle Brains be mentioned on there as well? I'm asking since the Battle Brains were stated to be stronger than even the Elite 4/Pokémon League Champion. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:I think that Cynthia would be known as a master. I think we should create a section listing possible masters, like her, Lance, and the members of the Elite Four.[[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 01:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes she is. I believe that anyone who is, or has been the Pokemon League Champion, or even an Elite Four member is a Pokemon Master.

The Orange League as composed of Gym Leaders. No Elite Four, with Drake as the strongest player, but still more of a Gym Leader.

It was stated by Lucian that to become a champion, you must conquer a regional tournament, and we have seen how challenging that is in the anime. And on top of that, one must then defeat the Elite Four, and the ones who have battled have shown skills that put all but the greatest trainers to shame. And the reigning champion is even stronger than Elite Four members, as Flint only managed to defeat two of Cynthia's Pokemon.

That hints that Elite Four members and Champions are massively above regular trainers and very likely should be considered Pokemon Masters.[[User:RagnarokRagnarok]] 02:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

:Okay, then why is it that when he beat the Battle Frontier Brains (which were hinted to be around the Elite 4/champion's level), he didn't become a Pokemon Master? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 08:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember anyone saying Elite Four level. Stronger than Gym Leaders, yes the Frontier Brains were. I'd only put Brandon at Elite Four level, possibly Champion, and that is probably only because of his apparent skill in capturing the Regis. No one ever said the Frontier Brains were Pokemon Masters, just very powerful trainers, at least to my memory. And not only that, Ash's skill varies at times. Like him losing to Trip. With or without Electric attacks, Pikachu's '''level''' should have been high enough so that some beginner should stand no chance. ''Period''. So Ash becoming a Pokemon Master anytime soon is unlikely. [[User:RagnarokRagnarok]] 10:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure Scott mentioned something along the lines of them being around the Elite 4 Level after Ash's battle against Agatha. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Even if that is true, remember how that battle went? Agatha won. Remember the battle with Flint? He destroyed Ash without breaking a sweat. If Flint is anything to go by, the Frontier Brains are yes, better than Gym Leaders, but lower than Elite Four.

Not to mention, Ash beat Brandon by the skin of his teeth. Brandon didn't use his best team, Ash had to use his most experienced Pokemon, Brandon used the Regi he had the least time to practice with, and not only that, Ash lost to him twice. If anything, Ash beating the Battle Frontier was just a cop out.

Bottom line, it doesn't make perfect sense, but all things point to Ash not being a Pokemon Master. [[User:RagnarokRagnarok]] 11:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

== Catching Mewtwo ==

According to my copy of The Official Pokémon handbook, a Trainer becomes a Pokémon Master when they have captured Mewtwo. Is this true? I took it to mean that the Trainer had "mastered" the game, as there is more or less nothing left to do in the original games after you have caught it. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:I think we should change or add to this section. First of all, it says that if you can defeat Mewtwo then you deserve the title of Master, but I think that it is unclear enough to say that it says you have to capture him to be a master. Also, it calls the Elite Four trainers master trainers. So I don't think it means that you have to capture or even beat Mewtwo to be a master.[[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 01:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==

I emailed Pokemon.com's mailbag asking for their definition of Pokémon master. I got this response.

I'm very sorry, but the Pokemon Company does not answer questions of this nature.

It is the intent of the Pokemon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokemon fans, adding more excitment and mystery to the Pokemon universe.

Methinks that this official response merits mention in the article? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 00:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

:They'll define it eventually. I mean, if they can basically confirm Pikachu's gender right then and there in The Worst Togepi in History, despite the writers/seiyuu's comments about how they deliberately never confirmed Pikachu's Gender so the audience of both genders can connect with Pikachu, the same can happen in regards to not defining what a Pokémon Master is.

:Besides, Pokémon.com has made mistakes before, most notably Jessie's Age, as well as claiming the cloaked Pokémon in Pokémon Symphonic Melody was the Red Lightning, which, aside from the fact that it was obviously Mewtwo, when Pokémon Symphonic Medley first aired, Red Lightning wasn't even made yet. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::I dont think they will. Personally, I do not think it is a term that is supposed to be defined. I think we could just stick with a general definition, that it means you're a great trainer. I really believe that is what the term is all about. And the fact that they haven't given a solid definition is just proof that that is right.[[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 19:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Yeah, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't they also say that Pikachu's Gender was never supposed to be revealed? Seeing how they did officially reveal Pikachu's gender, what the writers said or what Pokemon.com said won't matter in the long run (if it did, they definitely would not have revealed Pikachu's Gender in [[DP142]]. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Before I forget...again ==

Yes, this may be speculation, but that is all that we can do to answer the question of what this is. I came up with a definition which fits rather nicely, but still offers lots of room for freedom:

"Someone who accomplishes a great task regarding Pokémon."

Most well-known people (Professors, Champions, Player, etc.) can fall under this category. For example, Oak created the Pokédex, and is the most well-known professor, hence his title of Master. Champions are the best members of the League in their respective areas, which can be hard to do. The Player defeats both a villinous team and the Champion, so they are also a Master. However, you could also consider the Rocket Trio masters as well, as they most likely far surpassed the previous record for number of failed attempts at stealing Pokémon.

Think this is good enough for addition onto the theory list? [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 02:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:I like that idea, it fits well with the game, but as I mentioned below, I think it's been confirmed in the final Sinnoh League Victors episode. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Champion League? ==

In the newest dub episode, Cynthia mentions that Ash and Paul might meet up in the Champion League. What exactly is the champion league? My guess is, it's a league for the "best of the best" trainers. Trainers who have won at least 1 regional league. Then, the top trainers have to battle and get 1st place in the champion league, in order to fight against the Elite Four and Chamption. --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 14:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, the final Sinnoh League Victors episode mentions the Champion League again. But it also mentions that Ash will become a Pokémon Master once he defeats a Champion (see section below). --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

The final episode of Sinnoh League Victors mentions, as I said above, that a Trainer must beat a [[Champion]] to become a Pokémon Master. The reason this didn't happen in the [[Orange Islands]] seems to be because [[Drake]] was more of a [[Gym Leader]] than a Champion (also, the [[Orange League]] worked differently than the other Leagues). --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:It still doesn't explain why Ash didn't get it back in the Battle Frontier Saga. For one thing, the Frontier Brain members were implied to be either at least be on the same level as the Elite 4, if not surpassing them or even the Champion, so he technically fought and beat 7 champion-leveled trainers or at least 7 E4-leveled trainers. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::That would make since, but still, they may be leveled that high in the games, but they are more like just stronger than normal Gym Leaders. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, all I know is that Scott mentioned that Ash had more than enough qualifications to challenge the Battle Frontier after he fought against Agatha, which indicated that they were at least around the Elite 4's level. There was also a scene where Cynthia, the Sinnoh champion, was fighting against Palmer, himself a member of the Battle Frontier, indicating they were around that level. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, in fact, I don't believe Ash was able to beat Palmer. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 20:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wait, then how could those guys even call themselves BF Brains? If the majority of them could lose to a 10 year old kid quite easily, with only two actually beating him outright, despite Scott implying that they were at least around the Elite 4 level, they shouldn't even deserve to be called BF brains, since someone at a BF level should not be capable of actually losing that easily to someone like Ash. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::I haven't seen any of Ash's BF battles, but it's not like he simply manged to OHKO all of their Pokémon. If he did, then he should get that title! --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

== Move? ==

Should this page be moved to Pokémon Master? Throughout the article, it's called Pokémon '''''M'''''aster, and I think it just looks better. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:23, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:I think we should. What's the difference beside a capital M, anyway? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

==More Evidence of a Champion League==
In DP191 and BW031, more mentioning of a champion league was said. In DP191, Ash says that once he wins the Champion League, he'll become a Champion Master, another word for Pokemon Master. And in BW031, Trip expressed his hopes of winning the Unova League and then the Champion League. The evidence that is shown is now theorized that after a Trainer wins a regional league, they are qualified to be part of the Champion League, and if they win, they officially become Pokémon Masters. However, this theory is questionable since no form of a Champion League took place so far in the Anime. --[[User:Gabecounts12594]] 06:52, 12 October 2011 (CST)
You're right. I think the script authors just made that up on the spot, the lazy Snorlax. ''Drakko'' 22:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

In pokemon black and white versions, Cynthia mentions some kind of tournament where the champions from every league gather and see who's strongest. could be worth a thought [[User:Gzig|DimensionBreak Gzig]] 23:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

:Its possible that, in the anime, the initial league shown is a preliminary league and that the Champion League is reserved for the winner, who then goes on to battle the Elite Four and Champion. Or it could be that the Champion League has a group of winners from the regional leagues and they battle, then the winner takes on their regions Elite Four and Champion. This would explain why the Champion League hasn't been shown in the show, since Ash has never been overall winner of a Pokemon League.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 16:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Master

2012-09-02T16:29:48Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* More Evidence of a Champion League */

Talk:Silver (game)

2012-08-19T07:26:45Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Weak starter */ new section

==Silver==
Is there any way to suggest that Silver is "Giovanni's red-haired son" without causing a discussion that would span for 40 days and 40 nights, break for an hour, then start up again? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

>Emphasize that's fan speciulation at best? - Zeta

What if we classified it as "heavily implied?" Since, it seems to be. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 03:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

==Sneasel==
If I'm remembering correctly, Silver steals his Sneasel from a guy in Cianwood. He gives Gold his Shuckle so Silve dosen't come back and steal that, too. That seems pretty relevant to me....[[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 03:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's article on Silver is MUCH more detailed, which is odd, since this is Bulbapedia....[[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 03:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:responding to this a year later -_- Anyway if you have a look at Silver's non-starter Pokémon they are all more or less sweeper-based in stats. Shuckle has no offensive powers really, and the only time it has them is when it sacrifices all its defense (and its still too slow to be any good). I doubt Silver wanted it.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 19:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I definitely think that Silver steals his Sneasel from the guy in Cianwood, since he has it in a point of the game where you can't get it at that point yet. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 19:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crobat? ==

...how does having a Crobat show that he loves his Pokémon? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ 19:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Because this means that his Pokémon love him, 'cause Golbat will evolve just if its Happiness is at maximum. And, a Pokémon can't be happy if the Trainer don't care about them, just if the Trainer really loves the Pokémom.'''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]]''' 20:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah but, there are [[Soothe Bell|other ways]] too get your Pokémon to love you, [[Luxury Ball|loads of others]], so it doesn't really mean he loved his Crobat in return. I'd look [[Happiness|here]] for more info xD [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 21:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::[[Revival Herb|You have to be cruel to be kind.]]'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''03:57 29 May 2008'''''
::: ↑ Wouldn't that just cancel it out...? --[[User:Cat2killer|CAT2 A.K.A Cat2killer]] 00:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It's tough love, but anyway. The Crobat is likely implied further evidence that Silver was not just spouting things about 'caring more' for his Pokémon, but actually changing (or has changed) his initial attitude of being a rash and cruel trainer.[[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 12:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

I want to update the battle info to the new standard, but first, I need to know this: Do we currently have the Silver sprite uploaded? 'Cause we really need it for the template. --[[user:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[user talk:Chocolate|talk to me]]) 01:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have the moveset too? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 01:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::Check silversprite 1 and 2 [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't quite have the movesets, but I do know this: In [[Generation I]], the 4 moves were always the most recent 4 moves that a Pokémon would know it its level. So, when I'm putting the table, I'll do it like that until someone else can confirm otherwise. --[[user:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[user talk:Chocolate|talk to me]]) 02:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::::They've got movesets and stuff if you search hard enough in a GSC walkthrough on GameFAQs.com. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 02:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, can someone more experienced update the battle info? I'm a bit too tired to do it right now. --[[user:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[user talk:Chocolate|talk to me]]) 02:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::I can do it. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Why does the article has a Crystal sprite if it's the same as in Gold and Silver? The correct thing is to put a list of all the sprites and their variations like in Green's/Blue's article. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Kamon?==

Do we really need to mention that name? It's just the first player name choice for the Silver version, and Hiroki (the first for Gold) isn't the name used by Gold's Anime equivalent (Kenta). "Mentioned on an Anime website"? What site? Sounds like fanwank to me. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you, ArcToraphim. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 15:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
i think the original japanese you guys have in here for silver its not the right one cause while i put it in pokeani it appeared richie.
:シルバ is correct. Pokéani isn’t really the best source. (See also: the recent removal of all the gym leader titles taken from Pokéani.) [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 19:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture of Anime Debut ==

I just saw that it had all the text on it. If I possibly could, would it be acceptable for me to find one without text and replace the current one? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 07:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
:By all means go ahead. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Optional names? ==

Where are his optional name? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Not here. Anyone got GSC? Go find out for us. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I... don't think he has any. It enters "SILVER" in Gold and Crystal, and "GOLD" in Silver, but other than that... nothing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Would that be 50/50 split in Crystal? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Cat2killer}} ([[User talk:Cat2killer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cat2killer|contribs]]) ''
There are no optional names. When the cop asks for his name, you have to come up with it yourself. --[[user:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 1:40 August 27 2009

== Anime Counterpart ==

Isn't [[Paul]] Silver's anime counterpart, but it said on this [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Cross-canon_counterparts page]. --'''[[User:Lance123|∫∆π©∑]][[User talk:Lance123|一二三]]''' 09:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah... that page lied.... naughty page... it's all better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Silver's new design ==

Serebii has uploaded a scan showing Silver's redesign for the remakes, but the pic is too small [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/scan0609.jpg]

I was wondering if anyone has a link to a bigger one, so that we can upload a decent image with his new design and update the article. -- [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 12:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Even if there WAS a decent version of this scan, there is no way it would be put in the article. just wait for the official site to update with the art. There is no reason for crappy quality art to be used. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Filb.de and PokéBeach. Basically the same though. I agree, wait for the site. They're incomplete. The site may update this weekend, the next one or the one after that. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Sketch: Even if we don't replace the main image, shouldn't we add the scan with the redesign somewhere in the article?
::Tc26: Thanks. I had checked PokéBeach and Filb.de before writing the comment, but they hadn't updated with the new scans yet. -[[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 13:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No, because it's low quality. Just wait for the site to update. It won't take long. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 13:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS sprite ==

<big>W</big>hy does silver's HGSS sprite keep getting remove from the article? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

:Because we don't know it's final, just like we don't know if any of the other revealed sprites are final. Remember that Weavile and Munchlax got changed after being revealed for D/P, and a bunch of others that hadn't been revealed probably got changed too. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we know what the final one is now, considering Pokémon Sunday recently showed a battle with Silver. If they changed his sprite after that, I want to know why.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 23:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it the same one? I can't find the thing on Sunday... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Look on [[Talk: Rival|this page]]. The sprite is kinda there. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Alright. Now I have to wait to see if the one on my Sandbox page is the final after the animation or not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is probably known to you all, but we know can update ALL sprites, since they have all been ripped.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 05:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Including Silver's animated one? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::You know, I know that there are people out there who have it, but I can't for the life of me find it. {{unsigned|Ryuutakeshi}}
:When Bulbagarden gets hold of the sprite, they will go up. Don't rush. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Soul? ==

That's right. Silver has a new name now, his default is either Heart (ハート ''Heart'') or Soul (ソウル ''Soul'') depending on your version.
--[[User:Raine|Raine]] 15:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It was like that in Gold and Silver too, his name was either Gold or Silver was his default name depending on the version. The exception is Crystal, where his default name is Silver. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
But not anymore.

His posssible names are only Heart and Soul, ''not'' Gold or Silver, so the article should be moved.--[[User:Raine|Raine]] 22:34, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We're leaving it where it is until the English versions come out. Same for {{OBP|Gold|game}}. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 22:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Must we really change it? People still call him Silver. A lot of people don't even realize his new defaults. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 02:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Well no wonder, the game hasn't even been out for a week, and is Japanese-only so far. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 02:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::::His default name is:
*Pokémon Gold: Silver
*Pokémon Silver: Gold
*Pokémon Crystal: Silver
*Pokémon HeartGold: Soul
*Pokémon SoulSilver: Heart
::::So if we did move, which one would we move him to? His history makes me lean towards keeping the article at Silver. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Also, placeholder data in HGSS calls him "Silver". So, we should stick to that, just as we call FRLG girl "{{ga|Leaf}}". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::{{OBP|Kotone|game}} has the default names "Heart" and "Soul" as well. If we call Silver Heart or Soul, that'll get... confusing. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I would like to stick with Silver. If you look for the most common default name in the list, that is the answer. I would think that it would be one of the player characters if you were to sau Heart or Soul, not Silver. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::As I'm sure you all know, the Pearl article was recently changed to Barry on the grounds that it appears at the top of two of three default name lists. I guess you can sort of apply the same argument here, but keep in mind this is a remake. In addition, the Barry article chose to ignore the placeholder name. Keep in mind that placeholder data isn't necessarily reliable (Red would otherwise be Ninten, Blue'd be either Sony or Terry and Barry would be Cedric), though it was used in a case where no clear default was ever indicated (Leaf). I guess the real answer to this is if Bulbapedia is willing to include an outdated generation in this. I personally wouldn't, but it's your call. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 04:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Say What?! ==

Quote: "Giovanni and Silver's relationship is revealed in HeartGold and SoulSilver if the player brings a promotional Celebi to the Ilex Shrine in Ilex Forest. Celebi takes the player back in time three years to witness Giovanni abandoning Silver to go into seclusion because of his defeat. Silver's hate for Team Rocket apparently stems from them failing his father."

What's this event? I've heard of the pichu event and arceus event, but not this one. Where did this come from, and why can i not find anything else about it on any other pages? The curiosity is killing me! [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 19:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe because the games have been out less than a week and thus information is still coming in? But it's true, here - http://pokebeach.com/2009/09/part-4-of-heartgold-and-soulsilver-coverage. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
::Nintendo haven't acknowledged it in the pre-release info but it has been found inside the game's code. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/celebi.shtml Serebii] has an article on it if you'd like more info. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Hometown ==

Now that Giovanni is confirmed to be Silver's dad in the games, should we change Silver's hometown from "Unknown" to Viridian City? It'd make sense. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:No... think about it. Parents could be born someplace totally different from child. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 23:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::Giovanni is also shown abandoning Silver at the gate to Johto near Viridian... [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Exactly. I'd say that Silver's hometown being Viridian is a pretty safe bet. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Umm just wondering, was he born in Johto or Kanto?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Um... that's what we're talking about... sorta... ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well I'm kinda a blond, but with brown hair. Well back to the topic, did it say anything in the games?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Read the stupid article and find out. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I know it was confirmed in the game, I'm just talking about did it say anything in the games of where he came from.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::That makes no sense. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Did it say anything about if he came from Kanto or Johto? B/c Giovanni is a Kanto native(presumably), Silver must be from Kanto, but he could been born in Johto.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Which is what we're talking about. Giovani is from Viridian, and the scene in the game where Giovanni leaves Silver is at the gate connecting Viridian to the rout eleading to Johto.So while it's never outright said Silver is born in Viridian, chances are he was. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 00:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:Think about it. Giovanni's job as Mr. Evil Overlord takes him all over the Pokémon world. You see him in Saffron and Celadon Cities. Silver may have been born there. Let's not forget the fact that it is (or so I am led to believe) the woman who gives birth; no in-game evidence ties Giovanni to anyone in particular. It's entirely possible that Silver is [[Julia]]'s son, and Giovanni's just been lying about being a sailor because his woman doesn't like Team Rocket. Or something equally absurd. Point of the matter is, Silver's birthplace is unknown and we aren't going to put anything in. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::Eh? The only places we saw Giovanni travel to were Kanto cities (and Tohjo falls, AFTER we see him leaving Kanto and abandoning Silver). Not only there's no evidence to suggest that he had to travel to other regions prior to his defeat by Red, but it's highly unlikely considering that Team Rocket was mainly a Kanto-based organization during Gen I. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]
:::The point was we don't know where Silver is born. We can guess, but it is not going into the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:::It's likely Silver was born in Viridian, but unless it's confirmed for sure no, it shouldn't be added. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

==Introduction==
This page's introduction is kind of confusing. When I first read it, it sounded like the Fame Checker referenced Special and "Silver's dark demeanor" along with the red haired child clue. I'd edit this myself, but wanted to ask if this was just me or if other people also find the sentence structure confusing.

Here's the sentence as it is now:
Prior to the release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, fan speculation held that Silver was Giovanni's red-haired child, due to Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen's Fame Checker's many references to Pokémon Gold and Silver versions, to Giovanni being Silver's manga equivalent's father in Pokémon Special, and to Silver's dark demeanor and detestment of Team Rocket.

And here's how it could be changed:
Prior to the release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, fan speculation held that Silver was Giovanni's red-haired child, citing as evidence Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen's Fame Checker's many references to Pokémon Gold and Silver versions, Giovanni being Silver's manga equivalent's father in Pokémon Special, and Silver's dark demeanor and detestment of Team Rocket. A sidequest in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver later proved the theory true.

--[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf... ==

Shiningpikablu252: Oh, come on! You said yourself that Leaf should be mentioned in the FR/LG section of the timeline article but not in the G/S/C/HG/SS section because she existed on FR/LG but not on the G/S/C/HG/SS timeline. Now you're contradicting yourself by mentioning her in an article that is about a GSC character, and therefore, it's about the GSC timeline (especially considering that the part I edited was talking about a line said by Giovanni in HG/SS, not FR/LG, so he was clearly talking about Red). What's up with that?

And second, why was the article protected? No "canonicity debacle" started. I simply corrected a mistake, and before anyone could agree or disagree with it, you reverted it and protected the article. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 02:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:If the fact that Red appears in Mt. Silver and Leaf doesn't appear at all were enough to outright suggest that only one of them can exist in canon, then there wouldn't even be any canonicity debates to begin with. <strike>However, the one and only text reference in the original Generation II games that explicity implies Red came from Copycat, something that can easily be changed to be gender-neutral in a remake.</strike> Even back in Generation II, they said Team Rocket was broken up three years ago by "a kid", which in Genration IV context would imply either Red or Leaf. And odds are the writers wouldn't insert any new text that would explicitly imply Red is the only canon character from the three-years-ago timeline, especially since they took the trouble of perfecting Leaf to begin with. (Yes, I said perfecting--female player characters were taken into consideration as far back as the original concepts for the Japanese Red and Green, but weren't implemented until Crystal due to technical restrictions.)

:Furthermore, Red's team at Mt. Silver is based primarily on other forms of Pokémon media, primarily Ash from the anime, but also in Generation II from {{Special|Red}} in [[Pokémon Special]] (this would explain Espeon). As far as we're concerned, if the depiction of Red is not fully video-game-based, then nobody has a place to say that Leaf has absolutely no place in canon simply because Red's there and Leaf's not.

:In closing: The Leaf mentions stay. To remove them would imply that the Generation I games were the one and only proper canon for the three-years-ago story, and that FireRed/LeafGreen themselves are non-canonical, and that in turn would put some doubt on HeartGold/SoulSilver's canonicity. Whether the Leaf mentions remain in the current wording or not, that remains to be seen. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

::"If the fact that Red appears in Mt. Silver and Leaf doesn't appear at all were enough to outright suggest that only one of them can exist in canon, then there wouldn't even be any canonicity debates to begin with."

::The point is - Leaf's story from FR/LG isn't canon. Red and Leaf can't both be the kid who defeated Team Rocket and became the regional Kanto champion in the same continuity.

::"However, the one and only text reference in the original Generation II games that explicity implies Red came from Copycat, something that can easily be changed to be gender-neutral in a remake. Even back in Generation II, they said Team Rocket was broken up three years ago by "a kid", which in Genration IV context would imply either Red or Leaf."

::If that was the case, I wouldn't have a problem with leaving the kid's identity's ambiguous. However, you're wrong. Blue stated that he was defeated by Red (yes, he mentioned his name) after he became champion when you meet him in Cinnabar Island.

::"Furthermore, Red's team at Mt. Silver is based primarily on other forms of Pokémon media, primarily Ash from the anime, but also in Generation II from {{Special|Red}} in [[Pokémon Special]] (this would explain Espeon). As far as we're concerned, if the depiction of Red is not fully video-game-based, then nobody has a place to say that Leaf has absolutely no place in canon simply because Red's there and Leaf's not."

::Not really. Special Red's team was based on GSC Red's, not the other way around.
::GSC and HG/SS Red's team is based on the four Gen I starters (Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise) and Pokémon that Red canonically met in Gen I (he got Eevee from that man in Celadon, Lapras from that Silph scientist, and Snorlax when he met it blocking the path to Fuchsia). The only part of HG/SS Red's team that is a reference to other media is Pikachu, as it has the same moves as the anime Pikachu.

::"In closing: The Leaf mentions stay. To remove them would imply that the Generation I games were the one and only proper canon for the three-years-ago story, and that FireRed/LeafGreen themselves are non-canonical, and that in turn would put some doubt on HeartGold/SoulSilver's canonicity. Whether the Leaf mentions remain in the current wording or not, that remains to be seen."

::What? You're saying that for FR/LG to be canon, Leaf has to exist? How does that work? Last time I checked, FR/LG presented two alternate continuities: one where Red traveling Kanto, collecting badges, defeating Team Rocket, and becoming the Kanto champion. The other one was identical except for Leaf taking Red's place. You're telling me that both continuity are canon within the same timeline? How is that even possible? You're saying that Team Rocket took over Silph, was defeated by Red (or Leaf) and ran away, then decided to come back and take over Silph once again, just to be defeated by Leaf (or Red)? That Giovanni was defeated by Red (or Leaf) in his Gym and disbanded TR, then had a change of mind and went back to the gym, then was defeated by the other player character and decided to disband TR once again? That the S.S. Anne sailed from Vermilion City two times (nevermind the fact that it was said that it only comes back once every year)? That Kanto had TWO regional champions? That...
::Sorry, but no. The kid who became the Kanto champion and defeated Giovanni and TR was either Red OR Leaf, not both. And since HG/SS blatantly stated that Red was the Kanto champion (therefore canonizing Red's story from FR/LG), then Leaf has no place in the timeline. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 04:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:::GS was a continuation of RB. It had Red at the end coz Red was the player character. How is your copy of HGSS going to know which gender you played as in FRLG? It makes sense to simply approximate the whole story to Red's journey only. Leaf's journey exists in the FRLG canon, true it is blissfully ignored, but it still exists and to that extent we as Bulbapedians are bound to cover it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::::He has a point though. The one that Giovanni lost to is the same person at the summit of Mt. Silver. Who is that person? Red. Not Leaf. I'm not saying to deny her existence. But the point is that she's not the one at Mt. Silver. Red is. It's that simple. Unless I'm wrong and someone can prove that if you play as Kotone and Leaf will appear instead, then that's basically the case. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

"if you play as Kotone and Leaf will appear instead"
:That actually sounds plausible, make sense to me. Can anyone check that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 05:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::I plan on doing it once my game arrives. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You all probably know by now, but nope. Leaf's not there. Sorry Leaf, you're not canon (or at least you didn't become champion, defeat team rocket and become a legend. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 23:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Back sprite ==

Could someone please upload Silver's Back Sprite from his Tag battle with the [[Gold (game)|Pla]][[Kotone (game)|yer]]? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

[[File:HGSS Silver Back.png]] [[User:Kingofall42|Kingofall42]] 10:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
there you go.
:Thank-you. Now someone needs to put it in the table EDIT: Nvm, didn't notice it in there. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 13:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Girl Silver ==

Are you sure that's a girl? Cause the only difference I see is that he has bigger eyes in that drawing. Does it say it in the text or something? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:It doesn't look female at all to me. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

He's "Boy". That's his default name in HGSS. Move it? /sarcasm '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TF'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|Lambda]]''' 20:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:Where's ''that'' taken from? Way I figure, his HGSS name is either simply "Rival" (Japanese DeviantArt Pixiv uses that tag often enough) or "Soul" (similar to FRLG's "Green"(/"Blue") as the rival of "Red"). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 20:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, it is "Passerby Boy". '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Wouldn't "Passerby" be his trainer class? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 02:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

== Celebi Event: Silver's Abandonment Dialogue ==

Silver: You told me... you were the number one in the world! Are you gonna quit? What are you going to do now?
Giovanni: .................. One must acknowledge one's defeat before he can move on... I will go solo... for now... So that one day I will form a stronger organization!
Silver: What aspect of you was number one? Gathering so many only to be defeated by a mere child!
Giovanni: Putting together the potential of many is how you produce a huge power... That's what an organization is... That's the strength of an organization! I failed... to make the best use of my subordinates' potential...! But you shall witness one day the revival of me and my Team Rocket!
Silver: I don't understand you! You don't make any sense!
Giovanni: .................. One day, you will understand. (Walks away)
Silver: I don't want to understand you! I will never become someone like you. A coward when you're alone and acting like a tyrant when you're in front of other cowards! I will become strong! I will become a stronger man all by myself! All by myself!* (Walks up to player)
Silver: ...What are you staring at? (Kicks or pushes player) (Runs off)

*Stretched Text
You're welcome --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 23:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Massive problem with his image, literally. ==

Right now his image is stretching the page it's so large, I've forgotten how to make images in a template smaller. Just go on his page and you'll see what I mean. Can someone fix this? [[User:Takoto| - Takoto]] 19:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:It's a simple enough fix, I just don't know the specific size it's supposed to be or I'd fix it. Politoed666 should be able to do it. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

==Rematches==
In Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver, Silver (In my games I own, I call him Jackson) can be rematched at the Indigo Plateau on Mondays and Wednesdays.
[[User:DAC12|Dragon]] [[User talk:DAC12|Ace]] [[Special:Contributions/DAC12|Cameron]] 01:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:We know...In fact, I've found out most, I believe, if not all of them, of their moves, but yeah, we already knew...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Stadium 2 ==

Is he really called "Rival Rival?" [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Hair color? ==

Has nobody seen the difference in haircolor from Silver's HGSS back and VS sprites? [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 18:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's because of the lighting, you can see slight color differentiations in the other character's back and VS sprite as well. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Three eye colors? ==

Gen II art is black, Gen IV art is grey...I'm not seeing "red" among his sprites. So where does it come from? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:The opening animation when starting the game shows them as red. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Just curious... ==

..but does anyone know where to see this placeholder data in HGSS that says his name is Silver? [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 06:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

==Huh??==
I went to Dragon's Den on a Thursday and he was there, but he wouldn't battle me?!? It was kind of like I had battled him, as his words were like I had, but I hadn't.--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 16:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:Have you already done the tag battle against Lance & Clair? That's the only battle involving Silver that takes place in Dragon's Den. If you want to battle him again directly, you have to meet him in Indigo Plateau on a Monday or Wednesday. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 18:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
::In that case the article needs to be made clearer: ''Following Silver's final encounter with the player and after the player has become Champion, Silver can be found training on Tuesday and Thursday in the Dragon's Den, and will appear at the Indigo Plateau on Monday and Wednesday to challenge the player, should he or she appear.'' implies that you can battle him when he is at Dragon's Den. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 09:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I fixed it. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 10:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== His son ? Really ? ==

I just did the Celebi event in my SoulSilver version and found nothing to suggest that Silver is Giovanni's son. Did I miss something here, or does this article need to be edited ?--[[User:WenGobou|WenGobou]] 21:26, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

It's spelled out in the Japanese text, IIRC. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 22:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Kay, thx. But why would they remove it from the English version ? Could a Japanese person confirm this ?--[[User:WenGobou|WenGobou]] 12:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

== Weak starter ==

Playing on an emulator, and using Pokesav to mod my save file, I gave myself Totodile and Chikorita in my PC box, and then picked Cyndaquil as my starter. I get to the first battle with Silver and he sends out a Chikorita, not a Totodile like he should have.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 07:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Plate

2011-01-29T00:28:09Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Trivia */ new section

== Suggestion? ==

Perhaps this page should include the text that's inscribed on the back of the plates? Would be nice to have that compiled. -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 17:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Placement of this page. ==
I wasn't really sure where to put this information, so I just stuck it in a page of it's own for now. There didn't seem to be any clear place to put it, but if one comes up, feel free to merge. I also don't know the location of the Earth Plate - if anyone else knows, adding it would be funky.--[[User:Doctor Oak|Doctor Oak]] 07:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Engravings ==

Can we really know that's the right order? Besides the Dialga/Palkia/lake trio parts being together, it's pretty nonsensical.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::Let's put each plate with its description instead... looks better and we don't have to care for the order. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I think we should try a sandbox version first, because it looks like I got a different Draco Plate quote than you. I'll check my notes again, but I am 90% certain my Draco Plate talked about "The Original One breathed alone".
:::Has anyone else gotten the plates with different quotes than was listed in the comments? Maybe the engravings are based on the order you pick them up, and not the plates themselves.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 08:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the draco plate was the one that said:
Three beings were born to bind time and space."
But I could be wrong, as i don't have any notes.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure they go in the order that you find them. 1st you find has the first message, second has the second, etc. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:And do they repeat for the second lot of eight? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::For the correct order, we could just wait until the event {{p|Arceus}} is avaliable and use it in Platinum to get the extra book in the Canalave Library. And the quotes seem to not be plate-specific.--[[User:swampert_rox|Swampert]] [[Swampert (Pokémon)|=]] [[User talk:Swampert_rox|awesome]] ([[User:PhoenixGraphix#{{ucfirst:Daily (bleh)}}|bl]][[Special:Random|eh]]) 12:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== ??? Plate ==

My friend has a "Crystal Plate" and he was able to make his Arceus into the ???-type Arceus. He got it from his friend's glitched game. [[Image:Ani380MS.gif]]'''[[Latias (Pokémon)|Yin]][[Latios (Pokémon)|Yang]][[User:Yinyang1195|1195]]'''[[Image:Ani381MS.gif]] 20:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Do you have proof? We're talking screenshots or videos here. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

::Sigh... no "Crystal Plate" or something was found inside the game's coding... too bad. ???-Type Arceus will never appear. Is it so difficult to understand? It was only placed in case of hacking, so the game would not crash. If it will ever appear in game it will be useless, cause it won't have weaknesses nor resistances nor get STAB for attacks. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, I made a mistake. He said "Cursed Plate" and his "friend" that supposedly had it lies a lot. It was probably a lie. Can someone check? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 23:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Tell your friend that the sprite of ???-Type Arceus has the same function of the in-battle description (and contest effects) of {{m|Struggle}}... it is inaccessible if you don't hack your game, 'cause struggle cannot be learned by ANY Pokémon. But imagine if a Pokémon with Struggle goes into a contest and if it doesn't have description nor contest-effect it will be cathastrophic LOL xD. Same for ???-Type Arceus: if Arceus type is changed from Normal to ??? and you send it into battle and if there wasn't a sprite... you surely got it ;). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Regigigas? ==

How do we know that that's what "defeated giants" means?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that had me curious too. I don't recall anything in-game that ever mentioned it, and the only way that it could really make any sense is if it was the inscription on the Normal Plate, but seeing as how there ''isn't'' a Normal Plate, and the inscriptions aren't specific to the individual plates, that kind of goes out the window. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm new, so I'm not sure how to do this really. If I put this in the wrong place, I'm sorry but I've got Pokemon Diamond Version. I can't remember where, but it's somewhere hard to get to but I found a plate called the "Mysterious Plate" but before I checked the plates on Bulbapedia, thought it was an average type plate. If I ever find it again, I'll try to take a picture somehow from my DS but I swear I'm not joking or lying about this. craigybabyxo, 14:01 (GMT)
:I got a better idea... show me the part of the coding where the "Mysterious Plate" is and I'll believe you. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::While I think the guy posting about a "Mysterious Plate" is just making it up, requiring people to post coding to support claims isn't a good policy. I mean, it's great if they have it, but not all of us are tech-savy enough to pull up that kind of thing. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changing a link? ==

Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Does this third one mean Giratina? Because it cannot be the lake trio, as the link claims, because they created the spirit. I think this link should be changed into one that navigates too the "dragon trio" page, although i don't really want to take a side in that true or false row until i see proof. "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One." This could mean that while Dialga and Palkia created time and space, Giratina helps to hold it together. The distortion world could be glue, oh hang on, what a stupid suggestion--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

According to Giratina and the Sky Warrior the Reverse World (anime version of the Distortion World) says that one can't survive with out the other... I think. [[User:Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User Talk:Vespitomb|tomb>]] 19:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stone Plate ==

Where do you find the Stone Plate in Platinum?
My little brother is looking for it, and on here it just says Mt. Coronet (which is a very big place) and it has D/P next to it, meaning Diamond and Pearl, so where do you find it in Platinum? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 13:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you also get it at Mr. Coronet in Platinum, however I may be wrong, so don't take my word for it. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 13:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::It says DP only in the actual Mt Coronet article, thanks for the help though Takoto [[User:Max King|Max King]] 23:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:::The Stone plate is found hidden in the rock in the room above the waterfall (accessed from the first peak area).--[[User:swampert_rox|Swampert]] [[Swampert (Pokémon)|=]] [[User talk:Swampert_rox|awesome]] ([[User:PhoenixGraphix#{{ucfirst:Daily (bleh)}}|bl]][[Special:Random|eh]]) 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shards ==

Is there anything that indicates that the shards referenced in the Plate inscriptions is the same as the [[Shards]] items? I know that in the Underground, they look a bit like broken Plates, but I'd chalk that up to the designers simply altering the existing Plate sprites to save the time of making a new sprite from scratch. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:It said that it's Shards became the plates. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 18:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::I realize that, but it's not like shards is a very specific term. The word "shard" simply means a piece of a greater whole. In the case of the inscription, it seems to be describing shards of the universe. Seeing as how the Shards items were introduced in GenIII, and that there are only four different types of shards instead of sixteen, it seems unlikely to me that they're the same thing as the shards being referred to by the inscription. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:This article doesn't say that the plates were made of shards though, it just links to it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 18:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but by having the word "shards" from the Plate inscriptions link to the [[Shards]] article, it implies that Plates are made from Shards. Unless there's some evidence to support that claim, (Something a little more substantial then the Shards' Underground sprite, I'd hope.) the link should be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 16:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== S.S. Aqua ==

I just talked to the captain on my second voyage from Johto (I figured I'd go on the cruise since I had to get Sabrina's number anyway) and he gave me a Flame Plate out of the blue. Anyone else got any other plates, or is it always a Flame Plate? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:Okay I talked to him again today, he gave me a Splash Plate this time. If next time I get a Zap Plate, he's going in index number order. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::The guide I am reading talked about the Captain giving each plate in a random order. I just tried it though on my first voyage (second if you count the initial trip) from Kanto to Johto and he didn't give me any plate. It may start with the second voyage though, so I will try again on Wednesday. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 02:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Just checked again with the captain on the trip from Vermillion City to Olivine and City and still no plate. I only have 14 badges and have yet to do the Arceus Event so I guess I will see what the exact requirements are. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 03:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I get random plates from him, and I have all the badges. How many badges do you have, TTE? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::I haven't played SS for about a week, since I started HG, so I'll see what I get (or if I get anything) after I beat the E4. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flame Plate ==

Someone needs to put up the exact location of the flame plate in Stark Mountain. I'm not entire sure where exactly it is so, I cannae do it. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 06:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

:Oh wait. I found it. It's off to the west of the largest room on a ledge above TM50. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 06:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Judgment always has a Base Power of 120? ==
There is no normal type plate so....... Unless I'm missing something or STAB is included.. Because if STAB was Included wouldn't the base power be 170/180 and 150 for Normal type? Correct me if I'm wrong.
--[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 00:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:I've reworded it. Judgment never has a base power of 120, always of 100. Neither STAB, nor hold items change the base power of moves, they just change multipliers to something other than one. Although I believe that you can use something like that to work out a sort of crude "effective base power" to compare two moves used by an individual Pokémon. You are right though, the "effective" base power would be 180 or 150. (STAB is a multiplier, not an addition). <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"While the presence of hidden Plates can be determined with the Pokétch application Dowsing Machine, their exact location is difficult to ascertain. The Plate's exact location must be touched on the Dowsing Machine in order for it to be revealed."

I've never had this problem. I always tap the very center of the screen and always get the location of the plates regardless of whether I touch them or not. I think this needs to be removed--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 00:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:BW001

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:I think we shoudnt put Iris in! we dont know if she appears, especially because she has an episode entiteled for her self! - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Eneci}} ([[User talk:Eneci|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eneci|contribs]]) ''
::True, I also think Dento shouldn't be there until it's confirmed he will appear. Speculation and all.. Ive edited it --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 20:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::: Iris Confirmed we saw her in the preview! [[User:Eneci|Eneci]] 10:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::: this is a 1 hour episode... [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 10:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::::: she is seen looking up at the storm clouds caused by Zekrom. I'd say thats confirmed that she's in this episode then. [[User:shokuwarrior|shokuwarrior]] 13:03, 9 September 2010 (GMT)

== Zekrom Debut ==

It says that Zekrom will debut in the episode. But the title says "Zekrom's '''Shadow'''". Shadow. That doesn't neccesarily mean that it will appear. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 02:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:Still, we don't know for sure and it will stay this way until the episode airs. If it appears a la the Lake Guardians we will make it look similar to their debuts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABW001&action=historysubmit&diff=1179063&oldid=1178984 this] ==

I don't believe the user who posted that was complaining about Pikachu being in the series. I think he was pointing out that something bad had happened to Pikachu every time Ash visited a new region. (Getting sick, getting lost, etc.)--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just Updated the Synopsis ==

But it's still pretty bad. I hope someone else would work on it. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 00:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC))

== Age trivia ==

It says in the trivia about the anniversary of Ash and Pikachu. Judging from that its safe to say Ash has had at least two birthdays: First was around the time of the Indigo League as he got his Earth Badge exactly 1year after starting his journey according to the narration. Second would be the Anniversary of him and Pikachu. Just thought you lot should know. --[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 02:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:Actually make that 3 birthdays by the episode Pikachu and Pichu. According to his page his date of birth was 10years 10months and 10days before his journey started. So by the time he competed in the Indigo League he would have had 2 birthdays: one being two months after the start of his journey. The second about the time the Indigo League tournament started/ended. --[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 02:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::It's all possible but it is only a cartoon. Don't take it too seriously. :/ There have been worse fumbles and things that don't make much sense in the series. [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 02:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I know and I'm not taking it too seriously. I'm just saying its trivia I figure you guys would like to know to put on a page somewhere --[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 03:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:BW001

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Talk:BW001

2010-11-09T02:51:47Z

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Talk:DP157

2010-06-04T09:34:35Z

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==Seriously?==

Come on, there's no way the team would have the almost the exact same title for two episodes of the anime. And besides, the translation on the infobox is the same as DP156! "Gible! And Dragon Meteor Shower!" is what you've got there. Something's screwy. --[[User:Oz|Oz]] 08:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
: Um about the infobox, since it hasn't been edited in a long time, I don't know what you're talking about since it says "Fukamaru! Get it!" but as for having the same title as DP145... The scan shown, states this episode airs alongside Naruto. DP145 aired as a special, so the scan is not old. And TV Tokyo doesn't air reruns on Thursday, so it is a new episode. Besides did you forget the Japanese episode title when Phanpy hatched "Egg..Hatch" the Japanese aren't really creative in their title. Seeing as how every contest has basically the same title. And while it wouldn't happen, it would be funny if DP145 and DP157 had the same titles in the dub, only maybe make it slightly different like it is in this case with the punctuation. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
:: [http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/615/5425.jpg In case someone asks about the scan]. Again I'm sorry the pic is showing, I really don't know how to fix that. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
:::How's that? And about the thing, I saw it but didn't know about the Naruto special. It just struck me as odd. Oh well. --[[User:Oz|Oz]] 10:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I think what Oz was talking about is that the Japanese kana for the title in the info box are wrong - while the English says 'Fukamaru! Get it!!', the Japanese title says 'Fukamaru and Dragon Meteor Shower'. --[[User:Mattachu|Mattachu]] 13:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Don't worry, we know. The page's been protected until airdate, so we can't fix it until after 24/12 anyways. --[[User:Oz|Oz]] 13:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

== Is it Confirmed? ==

Is it? I felt a little iffy in creating the Page and 2 episodes just 12 episodes apart with the nearly same titles strikes me as odd. [[User:BAC510]] 20:17, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's not at odd. The Japanese are not always the most unique when making titles. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

== Summary? ==

Is there a summary for this episode yet? Should be added if there is. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 12:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

== Barry & Officer Jenny ==

[[File:DP157NewTypeScan.jpg]]

They need to be added. [[User:BAC510]] 20:56, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

== New Header plz !!! ==

Please admins, put this image as the header of [[DP157]]. [[File:DP157.png]].
:I tried to put it myself but the article is protected. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Japanese Title? ==

i was just mucking around on google translator and i put this and dp145 title and it says "Marcello's fin! Let's Get It! !" for dp157. i know that it's looks dodgey but would "Let's Get It!!" could be another although not correct to my knowledge, translation instead of "got it?" sorry if this is completely wrong but just a question. [[User:Water type Master|Water type Master]] 12:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== 4Kids? ==

During the credits of Gotta Get a Gible airing on cartoon Network, I saw the old 4Kids Entertainment logo at the end and wondered why they showed that. Or maybe it's a prelude to what may happen during the new upcoming episodes. {{unsigned|Shapps07}}
:It doesn't mean anything. It's been happening every so often for a while now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, it's been happening for just about the entire Galactic Battles arc to date. It's due to a flaw in Cartoon Network's automated system, as is detailed [[Talk:DP128#Big Error|here]]. Only actual Cartoon Network televised airings are affected; [[Cartoon Network Video]] does not reformat the credits, thus no 4Kids logo appears at the end there. (On a side note, Cartoon Network's automated system does not run by episode, hence only the regular VAs are listed in the Cartoon Network automated credits. We have to wait until an episode appears on Cartoon Network Video, usually the following Monday, to find out the entire cast list for an episode; one can skip to the credits quickly by clicking to the right of the last line in the time bar, since the last chapter of an upload consists of only the credits.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both for telling me this. I was confused at the moment when I saw it but now I understand the situation.--[[User:Shapps07|Shapps07]] 00:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error=Error? ==

It states info about Hydro Cannon from the games but has anyone stopped to realize that its always different in the anime? When Hyper Beam was first used in the anime they never had the recharge. And even now they still have Pokemon use Hyper beam then directly use another. In the anime they don't follow the rules of the games. If they did the Pokemon would stand still and just do the attacks and occasionally dodge. Also they wouldn't evolve during battle, would never be able to do combo attacks, contests would be way different etc etc. The games are based on the MANGA not the ANIME so of course its going to be different. So I don't think the error needs to be on this page since its clearly not worth mentioning unless you go into detail about how the anime is different from the games--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 09:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

AG192

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'''Home is Where the Start Is!''' (Japanese: '''旅の終わり、そして旅のはじまり！''' ''End of a Journey, and Then the Start of a Journey!'') is the 192nd and final episode of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, and the 466th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It first aired in Japan on September 14, 2006 and in the United States on March 3, 2007.
{{spoilers}}
==Synopsis==
The episode begins out by recapping the {{pkmn|Contest}} which took place [[AG191|last episode]], {{TP|May|Eevee}}'s wonderful display of {{m|Shadow Ball}} and {{AP|Pikachu}}'s intuitive use of {{m|Thunderbolt}} and {{m|Iron Tail}} are all shown before they recap the {{pkmn|battle}} between [[Ash's Sceptile]] and [[May's Blaziken]] and leaves it right after the explosion from the collision of the very powerful {{m|Overheat}} and {{m|SolarBeam}} [[Move|attacks]] launched from each [[Pokémon]].

As the smoke clears we see that both {{Ash}} and {{an|May}} are left with the same amount of [[Appeals round|appeal]] points, the match is a tie. This is the best result for both Ash and May. They are both happy about this and the crowd gives them a huge cheer, as Ash and May meet in the center of the field and shake hands. [[Nurse Joy]] presents the [[ribbon]] to Ash and May; however, she explains that there is only one ribbon, so she doesn't know who to give it to, but Ash and May have an idea: May grabs the ribbon, throws it in the air and Ash orders Sceptile to use {{m|Leaf Blade}} slicing the ribbon in half so that both of them can share it.

Outside, later that evening, Ash, May, [[Max]], {{an|Brock}}, and all their Pokémon are sitting around a bench having some hard earned dinner. Brock places his freshly cooked stew on the bench; May however seems somewhat distant. She announces that she is leaving to go to [[Johto]] alone to compete in the Pokémon contests there, meaning Max will also have to leave and return to his parents in [[Petalburg City]]. She explains that she has had a great time traveling through [[Hoenn]] with Brock and Ash but she has been thinking about going off to Johto for a while now and the fact that they are finished in Kanto is perfect for her and Max to leave.

Max is very upset, getting up and walking off ignoring when May calls over to him. Ash gets up and pursues Max and Pikachu follows too. Max sits on a swing over the other side of the park, Ash follows close behind and starts to offer comforting words to Max. He knows Max is upset that he will be missing his friends and Max explains that when he was watching Ash and May battle in the Contest he wanted so much to be doing it too; all he wants to do is grow up quick so he can be a trainer too and get to do all the things they do. Ash says once Max becomes a {{pkmn|Trainer}} he promises to challenge him to a battle which brightens Max up and he jumps to his feet to acknowledge Ash. Suddenly from the distance a large horn goes off, the boat which Max and May are supposed to be leaving on is due to depart in five minutes! Our heroes run off down the lane to the harbor and luckily make it in time. Max, May, and her Pokémon all wave goodbye to Ash, Brock and their Pokémon as they sail off into the sunset.

Early the next morning Ash and Brock come to their crossroads, they look at the sign together, [[Pewter City]] off in one direction, leading to [[Pewter Gym|Brock's home]] at the [[Gym]], and [[Pallet Town]] off in the opposite direction where {{Delia|Ash's family}} and [[Professor Oak]] reside. Except there's one last thing on Ash's mind, his stomach. Ash is hungry already, but as soon as he gets over this he runs off home, while Brock goes his own way. Overhead [[Team Rocket]]'s [[Team Rocket's mechas#Meowth Hot Air Balloon|balloon]] is floating by, [[James]] and {{MTR}} have a very unhappy look on their face, they are starting to doubt themselves but [[Jessie]] puts them back on the right track by offering a few words of wisdom. Suddenly out of nowhere sparks of electricity fly into the sky, Team Rocket get out their goggles and spot the Pokémon thinking it is Pikachu but on a closer inspection recognize it as an {{p|Electivire}}. Electivire uses {{m|ThunderShock}} to knock an apple down from the tree and begins to eat it, Team Rocket poke up from behind a bush and Meowth fires a net from the launcher and grabs Electivire. It struggles under the net as Team Rocket start to pull it in. It fires out wild {{t|Electric}} attacks which Ash sees from the other side of the trees and runs to try help.

Team Rocket finish pulling in Electivire but then a voice comes from atop the ridge and tells them to let go of the Pokémon they have got in the net and the person jumps down from atop the ridge and reveals himself, and it's {{Gary}}! Gary orders {{TP|Gary|Electivire}} to use Iron Tail, which it does and breaks free from the net. Team Rocket are furious and jump to try and grab Electivire but Gary orders a {{m|ThunderPunch}} which scores a direct hit and knocks Team Rocket away. Once Team Rocket are gone Ash tries to use his [[Pokédex]] to get some information on Electivire but there is no data available, Gary explains that Electivire is a newly discovered Pokémon from [[Sinnoh]], which Ash gets excited about this and challenges him to a battle, but Gary says no and just walks off.

Later on we see Ash arrive home. He calls for his mother at his house, but neither she nor [[Mimey]] are around. He runs over to [[Professor Oak's laboratory]] but he cannot find {{Tracey}} or Oak anywhere. He thinks this is really strange and starts to wander around the rooms. When he gets to the sitting room, all of a sudden Tracey and Mimey jump up from behind a sofa and set off some party poppers welcoming Ash home, while Oak, Gary and Delia come from the door on the other side of the room. Ash presents his mother with the plaque with all the Battle Frontier symbols on and then after the pleasantries re-challenges Gary to the battle and he accepts.

Outside the lab Ash and Gary are lined up ready to battle, Tracey is refereeing while Delia and Oak watch from the sidelines. Gary sends out Electivire and Ash sends out Pikachu, Pikachu starts with a Thunderbolt while Electivire counters with another Thunderbolt. Pikachu tries a {{m|Quick Attack}} but Electivire uses its tail to jump into the air out of the way and uses Iron Tail, which Pikachu counters with its own Iron Tail attack. Pikachu uses Thunderbolt again but Electivire jumps out of the way yet again. Ash calls Pikachu to use {{m|Volt Tackle}} on Electivire but Electivire uses {{m|Protect}} and then finishes Pikachu off with a powerful ThunderPunch. Gary and Electivire are the winners.

Gary walks over to Ash and starts to talk to him, saying that he may have won the {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|III}} but he should not take it for granted. Gary then announces that he is going to go to Sinnoh to {{pkmn|training|train}} his Pokémon and learn more about Pokémon. Tracey and Oak support this decision and back Gary, offering him some words of advice. Gary then looks over to Ash, turns his back on him and wanders off into the distance. Ash sits there and starts to talk to himself about Sinnoh and the newly discovered Pokémon. Delia watches on and senses the change in his heart. Ash stands up and announces his move to go to Sinnoh. As night time comes Delia is upstairs with a sparkle in her eye. She is sewing together fabric while talking of Ash.

Morning comes and outside Ash has lined up all {{cat|Ash's Pokémon|the Pokémon he has traveled with in Hoenn}}: Sceptile, {{AP|Donphan}}, {{AP|Corphish}}, {{AP|Swellow}} and {{AP|Aipom}}. He says goodbye to Professor Oak, Tracey and to all his Pokémon, but before he goes Professor Oak hands over to him a newly updated Pokédex with all the Sinnoh information on it. Ash turns around and runs off down the lane, but we focus in on Aipom who looks very sad compared to the rest of Ash's Pokémon.

A boat sails down across the screen, on board Ash and Pikachu are looking out to the sea and towards Sinnoh. The wind is blowing strongly, knocking [[Ash's hat]] off and heading to a staircase but suddenly stops. Aipom is there! She grabbed Ash's hat and gives it back to Ash, who welcomes Aipom to the Sinnoh team. On the side of the boat Team Rocket are hanging on for their lives, determined to follow Ash and Pikachu anywhere so that they can steal it and give it to the boss. Then they get washed up by a wave as the boat sails off into the distance to Sinnoh.

==Major events==
* {{Ash}} and {{an|May}} tie in the final round of the unofficial [[Pokémon Contest]] in [[Terracotta Town]] and decide to split the Terracotta Medal in half.
* May announces her decision to go to the [[Johto]] region alone.
* May and [[Max]] return to [[Petalburg City]].
* {{an|Brock}} returns to [[Pewter City]].
* On the way back to [[Pallet Town]], Ash encounters {{Gary}}, who is revealed to have an {{p|Electivire}}.
* [[Gary's Electivire]] defeats [[Ash's Pikachu]] in a {{pkmn|battle}}.
* Gary returns to [[Sinnoh]], and then Ash sets off for Sinnoh the next day.
* Ash receives a new [[Pokédex]] from [[Professor Oak]].
* Ash leaves behind all his Pokémon except Pikachu; however {{AP|Aipom}} stows away on the ship Ash and Pikachu are riding.

===Debuts===
====Pokémon debuts====
* {{p|Electivire}} ({{OP|Gary|Electivire}})

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|May}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Tracey Sketchit]]
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Gary Oak]]
* [[Professor Oak]]
* [[Delia Ketchum]]
* [[Nurse Joy]]
* Announcer
* Audience

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Sceptile}} ({{OP|Ash|Sceptile}})
* {{p|Aipom}} ({{OP|Ash|Aipom}})
* {{p|Corphish}} ({{OP|Ash|Corphish}})
* {{p|Swellow}} ({{OP|Ash|Swellow}})
* {{p|Donphan}} ({{OP|Ash|Donphan}})
* {{p|Blaziken}} ({{OP|May|Blaziken}})
* {{p|Squirtle}} ({{OP|May|Squirtle}})
* {{p|Munchlax}} ({{OP|May|Munchlax}})
* {{p|Eevee}} ({{OP|May|Eevee}})
* {{p|Marshtomp}} ({{OP|Brock|Marshtomp}})
* {{p|Bonsly}} ({{OP|Brock|Bonsly}})
* {{p|Forretress}} ({{OP|Brock|Forretress}})
* {{p|Electivire}} ({{OP|Gary|Electivire}}, debut)
* {{p|Mr. Mime}} (Delia's, [[Mimey]])

==Trivia==
* The screenplay is by 園田英樹 ''Hideki Sonoda'', who is the screenwriter for the [[Pokémon movie]]s.
* The storyboard is by 日高政光 ''Masamitsu Hidaka'', who was the former director for the Pokémon anime.
* The (assistant) director is 浅田裕二 ''Yūji Asada'', who usually also handles the storyboard; as assistant director, he has handled the most of any person.
* The instrumental version of 小さきもの ''[[A Small Thing]]'' from ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'' is used as background music.
* 前向きロケット団！ ''[[Face Forward Team Rocket!]]'' and an alternate cut of めざせポケモンマスター2001 ''[[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master|Aim to Be a Pokémon Master 2001]]'' are also used as background music.
* As in [[EP274|the final episode]] of the [[original series|previous series]], the usual ''To be continued'' is omitted and replaced with ''Next time... A new beginning!''.
* The preview for ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'' is narrated by the Pokémon Sunday narrator 木村匡也 ''Kyōya Kimura''.
* This is the final episode of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}.
* The English name of [[Sandgem Town]] was first revealed through the airing of this episode.
* This episode's title is a pun on the saying "home is where the heart is."
* When stowing away, [[Ash's Aipom]] fueled speculation of a [[list of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions|new evolution]] for {{p|Aipom}} in [[Generation IV]], and after this is confirmed with the Japanese release of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, speculation that Aipom would itself evolve into its new form during the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}. This as well would eventually be confirmed true with the airing of ''[[DP060|Journey to the Unown!]]''.
* Meowth [[breaking the fourth wall|breaks the fourth wall]] when James asks upon blasting off if Team Rocket will ever learn. Meowth responds that they'll find out [[Pokémon: Diamond & Pearl|next season]].
*This is one of the episodes that a new Pokémon is seen, like the previous [[generation]] and the [[Johto]] series where {{p|Blaziken}} and {{p|Kecleon}} appeared.

===Errors===
[[File:Gary Electivire error.png|thumb|Missing a spot]]
* In one scene, Electivire's fingers are white instead of black.
* In several scenes, the black spot on Electivire's face is not there.
* When Team Rocket first sees Gary, they don't recognize him, despite having seen him several times before.

===Dub edits===
* Much of the original background music was removed and replaced.
* In the Latin American Dub, when Ash is on the ship en-route to Sinnoh, he refers to it as an island ('''{{tt|La isla Sinnoh|The Sinnoh Island}}''') instead of calling it a region. This may be due to the fact that, like Hoenn, it is visibly not connected to any other regions visited. He also calls it "Sinnoh Island" in the English Dub.

==In other languages==

* Chinese (Taiwan): '''{{tt|旅程的終點，以及旅程的開始！|The End of a Journey, As well as the Start of Another Journey!}}'''
* French: '''{{tt|Un nouveau départ|A new departure}}'''
* German: '''{{tt|Jedes Ende hat einen Anfang!|Every ending has a beginning!}}'''
* Hebrew: '''{{tt|הכול מתחיל מהבית!|Everything starts at home!}}'''
* Italian: '''{{tt|La decisione di Vera|May's decision}}'''
* Latin American Spanish: '''{{tt|¡El hogar es donde está la batalla!|Home is where the battle is!}}'''
* Iberian Spanish: '''{{tt|¡El hogar es el punto de partida!|Home is the starting point!}}'''
* Korean: '''{{tt|여행의 끝, 그리고 여행의 시작!|The end of a Journey, and Start of my Journey!}}'''
* Swedish: '''{{tt|Slutet är Början på Något Nytt!|The End is the Beginning of Something New!}}'''


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Talk:AG161

2010-05-30T00:31:35Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* False trivia? */

== Shiny Outline ==

Is Grovyle the first to evolve like that? I'm pretty sure Charmander evolved in a similar manner in [[EP043]]. If I'm wrong, please pardon me. Can someone confirm it? - [[User:ClingOn|ClingOn]] 05:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:confirmed and removed [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== False trivia? ==

"This is the second time that Ash and one of his rivals have a Pokémon of the same type of species" Can someone elaborate on this please? I don't recall any rival matching this. And if its talking about the actual species then its impossible since Sceptile is the ONLY Forest species Pokemon.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 03:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:Ash and [[Ritchie]] have a lot of the same Pokémon. They both own Pikachu, and Ritchie also owns Butterfree and Charmander, which Ash had previously owned. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yes but that doesn't mean Ash has a rival with a Pokemon of the same species as Sceptile. Again I refer to the fact that Sceptile is a FOREST species and is the only one of that species. Show proof of him having a rival with the same species at that time.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 00:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:AG161

2010-05-27T03:27:34Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* False trivia? */ new section

Talk:AG157

2010-05-26T12:45:06Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Timeloop anyone? */ new section

== I thought... ==

I thought head pix weren't supposed to spoil?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Name of the town/other town/train? ==

So the dub line goes, as Jonathan's at the station: "All aboard! The metro/metra-land/ban streamliner is ready for departure." ...Anyone know the exact word? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:Probably just "metroline". {{unsigned|Reign}}

== Space/Time ==

At the very end of this episode, Meowth mentions something about distorting space-time. Is this the first ever mention of space-time in the anime? if so, could it be trivia, as it has a major part in the Diamond and Pealr series? [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Timeloop anyone? ==

The events that happened in this episode should truthfully created a timeloop. May only found the locket because it was lost but when she changed the past the locket was never lost so she couldn't have found it and wouldn't have been able to change the past meaning she would have found it...Timeloop! Should this info be noted somewhere?--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 12:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:James

2010-05-23T17:17:42Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Hair */

==Basis==
:He is based on a combination of the character of Leonardo Medici Bundle from the anime Sengoku Majin GoShogun and 弁天小僧菊之介 Sarasvati boy Kikunosuke from the kabuki 『白波五人男』 The Five Scoundrels of White Waves.

Please explain how this conclusion was reached. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 03:05, 14 October 2005 (CDT)

:[http://web.archive.org/web/20021118215900/sekichiku.freehosting.net/faq_r-dan.htm Here] on the late Encyclopedia Pokemonica. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 20:20, 15 October 2005 (CDT)

::Hmm, it doesn't really offer any evidence there either. Of course, Sonansu's model is easy enough to recognise, but... - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:45, 16 October 2005 (CDT)

Weezing, Victreebel, Cacnea, Chimecho, Mime Jr., Carnivine... half of his main Pokémon have been Plant-type. Is that enough to qualify him for the Plant-type trainer category? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 22:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'd imagine so. As the seasons progressed, he diverged to more Grass-types while Jessie took mainly Poison-types. If she's a Poison trainer, he should be a Grass trainer. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

** The reason I added Jesse as a Poison-type trainer is because she specifically said she prefered Poison-type Pokemon in the Koga episode. Has James ever said anything to that effect regarding Grass-types?

:: Natane seemed to think he is a Grass-type trainer. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Inclusion==
Should we include {{MTR}}?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No, since he isn't owned by the Team Rocket memebers and if you remember in one episode that it was Meowth's own choice to join. He wasnt captured by a member and forced to work for them.

Isn't James the only character besides Ash to have a Pokèmon in training? Why don't we include that? --[[User:CoreyLynch|CoreyLynch]] 14:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

==Important! (Regarding James' or James's)==
After reading a headline in Newsday, it is confirmed that you DO NOT need the s after in apostrophe for something belonging to James, for example.

To quote the headline "'''YANKS'''' BATS QUIETED BY BLUE JAYS"

We need to change all articles pertaining to James back to James_____--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:That's because Yanks is the plural of Yank. If James were the plural of Jame, you'd be correct. But unless James is revealed to be some sort of alien composed of millions of tiny Jame beings (which would be totally awesome, by the way), it all stays as "James's."
:Besides, newspapers are just as capable of screwing up as the rest of us. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 19:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::No, when it said '''Yanks'''' it was talking about more than one person. Plural nouns only get an apostrophe: the birds' nests (more than one bird with one nest each) and singular nouns get 's like: the bird's nests (one bird owning multiple nests). Learn the rules of grammar. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Apologies for the edit conflicts, Moldy. Anyway, I've spent a lot of time researching this, as I have to use the posessive form of Samus in my fanfics a lot. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 19:14, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized, sorry bout that--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:'s cool. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 19:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

==Sprite==
Could any upload a sprite of Jessie and/or James ? ShinyPiKa 22:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ask Taviource or Kenji-Girl--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:Why would you want a sprite for them? Do you mean the ones from Yellow? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::Yes ShinyPiKa 15:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Aww dangit.... I don't have them... neh. Sorry. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

==Uh....==
Can somebody please fix the James article page? The side menu is now at the bottom of the page, and the text for it has been shrunk. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:the same with Jessie's----[[user:ultamatecharizard|ultamatecharizard]]

==Achievements==
In the article it says that James hasn't achieved much, but in the Chronicles episode Training Daze he and Jessie were promoted and got their white uniforms. Jessie and James are higher up than a regular Team Rocket member. Should this be mentioned? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 23:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:They are not higher than others, in fact, Giovanni pushes them away into foreign places to get rid of them, if I remember correctly. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

==Should we...==
Should we add that James is often offended by his own pokemon? (Victreebel, and later Cacnea and Carnivine)--[[User:Tobytse99|tobytse]] 13:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
*I think we should.--[[User:Maii|Maii{{MS|471|Glaceon}}]] 17:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)Maii

==Hair==
I don't want to start an edit war. XD So i'm bringing it up here. His hair appears blue in the TCG artwork, but in the anime it's clearly periwinkle. I brought it up in photoshop, and it's directly between the blue and purple section of the color scale, leaning towards purple. There's been numerous debates on his hair color in the fandom, and no one can ever seem to come to a compromise. So i looked it up, asked various art teachers in my district, and they all said his hair doesn't fit into either category. So i looked up what color it is, and it's periwinkle. Even if he has been said to have blue hair by characters, they're simplifying it. So i think we should put it as periwinkle, seeing as if we put either "blue" or "purple" we'd be incorrect. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:33, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to know just when someone in the anime called it blue. It's clearly lavender. Not sure where CherryParanoia is getting periwinkle from, but that's incorrect as well. --[[User:Rocket Girl|Rocket Girl]] 06:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:If we used Crayola color names in the character infoboxes there would be no end to the arguments that would be had. Blue may be simplifying it, but simple is good. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 06:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

::Just like to point out: <nowiki>http://i46.tinypic.com/14l3evd.jpg</nowiki> I just did that on photoshop with the image from the bulba page. First shows his hair being between blue and pink. Second showing where his hair comes up on the color scale (between purple and blue). Last showing Periwinkle. Which i now realize it blatantly isn't. It's more of a Blue-Violet. So i think we should put it as that. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:::The Magikarp salesman once referred to him as "blue haired young man." in the anime. Technically, Misty's hair is orange, yet we still refer to it as red. Let's try not to be knit picky about it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::::But its an issue commonly argued in the fandom (and orange hair is normally called Red IRL, so that makes sense). And was that dub-added about the hair? Can't trust dub added things. And even if it was in the japanese, they do not commonly use more in-depth words for color (as i learned in class). Really, to end the fighting (and make both sides happy) we should just put it as Blue-Violet. Because Blue will anger people (who commonly bug me to change the page) and Purple will bug people (like you) so lets compromise. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 07:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::C'mon, i was trying to be a good editter and make this work. =_= A compromise was what i think this needs, considering no one will ever agree on his hair color. Everyone i know in the #teamrocket room says his hair is lavender, but you people here say blue. So i was making a compromise instead of getting into an edit war. Can we talk it out and make it work? I already showed evidence it isn't blue, at least in the anime. So we need to find some sort of compromise so an edit war doesn't begin... --[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 21:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Unless the Magikarp salesman said that in Japanese I don't think that should count. --[[User:Rocket Girl|Rocket Girl]] 21:13, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::People, people... It's just HAIR. Calm down. The admins have spoken. It stays blue. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Not to be mean or anything, but really. Because you're admin doesn't mean you're right. And i'm not saying either of us are right. Which is why i ask for a compromise on a subject thats ALWAYS argued. If we compromise here, then maybe everyone will stop arguing in chatrooms, in the forums. We need to take a neutral view in this page, not taking one side and saying "i'm right because i'm the admin." So we need to have a compromise on the matter. --[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 22:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Just pointing out that Kenji-girl said "admins" - plural. Chances are that it was discussed with the other admins too. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::If it was something that was really important, then of course we would discuss it with the user. When it's about a character's hair color... not so much. Please just let it go already. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::It's just a commonly debated topic, so i hoped we'd take a neutral stance. Don't say i didn't warn you. o_o;; --[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 01:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Unless you're looking too much into it, his hair's blue. I don't care the exact hex code. His eyes are neon green, we just call them green. Ash's eyes are brown, not "rustic umber" or some bullcrap like that. Keep it simple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I know that, which is why i stopped my periwinkle arguement. XD And his hair is too light and washed out to know exactly what color, which is why i prompted for a compromised. The hex code says its purple, but it appears blue too, which is why i wanted a compromise. But i'm letting it go for now, just understand i'm only trying to stop any edit war that may happen. There's a bigger debate on the subject than i think you guys realize XD --[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 02:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Considering this hasn't been a problem on this site, and this does not seem to be a big "debate" on any of the popular forums, I think we will be fine. Not to mention I don't see how anyone can call it Lavender. Lavender is almost as dark as purple, and his hair is light. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Really is it that hard for people to determine? First impressions, in my layman's opinion I have never thought of it as anything but blue until I saw this rant with people over-analyzing the whole thing. I feel that if I took a random cut (from the picture) of his hair and asked people its color, they would say blue with only the odd art student who could come up with crazy colors like "periwinkle" -- [[User:D558|D558]] 06:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Just to inform you all. If you watch the episode Numero Uno Articuno you will get to know EXACTLY what color his hair is as he admits it himself. Meowth says "Don't worry your blue head" and James replies "Its not blue its Lavender" so this argument is worthless since its clearly been stated as to what his hair color is.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 17:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

==Disguises==
I noticed that on [[Jesse]] we have her in all sorts of interesting disguises, shouldn't we post some of James' too? I am not sure if he invented new names for his alter egos like she did. Most notable though is that shot from the censored TV episode where he has boobs, the controversy it created seems notable for listing it here. [[User:Tyciol|Tyciol]] 09:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're alter egos. Not disguises. Jessie gets them cause she participates in contests unlike James who does nothing.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:02, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Is it okay to put anime artwork of James in the anime section instead of the screenshot from an episode. This is the picture I was thinking about.[[File:James Anime.png|right|thumb|125px|James]] - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]] 14:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:A better idea, that picture should be in the infobox. James is an '''anime''' character after all. We don't see anime Brock with Sugimori work in his box. We can maybe move the Sugimori work to trivia. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:Course, are you sure that's official art? I see an error on it. James is missing his belt buckle. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

::I got it from a [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/playground/hanten.html mini game] at the Japanese pokemon movie website. I'm assuming it's official as it's from there i guess. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]] 00:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

:::Even If this picture is not satisfactory, could another picture of anime artwork of James work? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]] 00:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

James

2010-05-23T17:13:16Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Intro */ Edited after confirmation from Anime

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hair=Lavender|
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'''James''' (Japanese: '''コジロウ''' ''Kojirō'') is a member of the [[Team Rocket]] trio that follows [[Ash Ketchum]] and {{ashfr|friends}} around in the [[Pokémon anime]], usually trying to steal [[Ash's Pikachu]], but always failing.

James is mostly a comedic parody of ''bishounen'' characters; the [[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] English dub in particular tends to give him a melodramatic and even campy tone. He is somewhat famous for carrying a rose, though in more recent episodes he does not display it as often. Mostly, his rose is displayed in the [[Team Rocket motto]].

==In the anime==
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===Character===
[[File:James.png|left|thumb|220px|James]]
The only child of millionaires, James was forced to endure formal society while growing up. Often having to take part in numerous lessons and activities he had little to no interest in, he eventually began to grow weary of the rules and standards that appeared to be ever-present within the upper-class. At a young age, he was engaged to a girl named [[Jessiebelle]]. It was revealed in ''[[DP153|The Treasure Is All Mine!]]'' that he wanted to marry her at some point. But he changed his mind after he saw how controlling and overbearing she was. Unable to stand her, he ran away, leaving his lavish lifestyle as well as beloved pet {{p|Growlithe}}, [[Growlie]], behind. He attempted to enroll in [[Pokémon Tech]], a {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s school flunked out; as did his new friend [[Jessie]]. Then, with Jessie, he joined the [[Sunny Town]] bicycle gang, where he was popular for being the only gang member to have to use training wheels (nicknamed "Trainer Jim"). Eventually James, Jessie, and the bike gang went their separate ways.

Due to conflicts in canon between [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] episodes and the special episode ''[[SS012|Training Daze]]'', what happened between James and Jessie after the bike gang is unknown. What ''is'' known, as shown in the special episode, is that they joined Team Rocket separately and were on initially unfriendly terms after being grouped with {{MTR}}. However, they quickly made up and the rest is history.

Surprisingly, James has shown to be relatively well versed in various activities, including Pokémon Haiku, [[Pokémon Orienteering]], and [[PokéRinger]] among other things, making him almost something of a "Jack of all Trades". It is possible that he developed his skills during his temporary separation from Jessie, or even from the many lessons he was enrolled in as a child, but this is not known for sure.

Perhaps due to his heavily enforced, sheltered upbringing, as well as the constant harassment that he had to endure from Jessiebelle as a child, James has an odd, somewhat submissive personality. He will regularly comply to whatever ideas the other two come up with, and when he doesn't, usually ends up doing so anyway, like when he was forced to trade his {{TP|James|Victreebel}} away. He also seems to be the most emotional amongst the Team Rocket trio, and if the three should ever happen to get separated, he'll seem very lost without his companions. James also appears to have the most conscience among the three (though all of them do to some degree or another), and is the least prone to backstabbing someone who is kind to him. He can actually be quite sinister when he wants to, however.
[[File:Younger James.png|thumb|250px|Younger James and Growlie]]
In the episode ''[[EP048|Holy Matrimony!]]'', James returned to his home as a result of a trap by his parents, who pretended to be dead in order to get him to come back to the estate, knowing he would return to pay his respects. He suspected that it was a trap, but he ended up being forced into participating by Jessie and Meowth, who wanted the fortune. After the deception was revealed, he was once again subjected to Jessiebelle's torment until Growlie came to his rescue. After temporarily chasing Jessiebelle away, James soon left his family's manor and as a result declined his inheritance. Growlie stayed behind upon James's request when he returned to Jessie and Meowth.
[[File:Jessie and James first appearance.png|220px|thumb|left|Jessie and James's first apperance in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]'']]
James has a tendency to be swindled by a [[Magikarp Salesman]], who, despite James's increasing wariness and personal vendetta against the shady character, has on many occasions tricked him into buying a Magikarp or other useless Pokémon and items for large sums of money.

James also has a [[List of Team Rocket's disguises|tendency to cross-dress]], but has not done it since ''[[AG050|Pros and Con Artists]]'', with the exception of the occasional impersonation of characters such as [[Nurse Joy]]'s and [[Officer Jenny]]'s. In fact, ''[[DP146|Dressed for Jess Success!]]'' marks the first time he cross dresses in the [[Diamond and Pearl]] anime series, though it was him disguised as [[Jessie]]. He also often dresses up like famous celebrities as well, such as [[Professor Oak]], [[Juan]], and [[Norman]], and impersonates other non-human objects, including Pokémon, animals, and even bushes and trees.

James loves rare bottle caps and has an impressive collection of them. This hobby started when he was a young child. In the episode ''[[EP184|All That Glitters!]]'' it is revealed that he has "drunk enough soda pop to float an aircraft carrier".

For unknown reasons, he, Jessie and Meowth mostly use [[Transportation in Pokémon|hot air balloons]] instead of faster ways of transportation. However in newer episodes the balloon is shown with 'jets' attached to explain how they get from one place to another faster than walking.

===Pokémon===
As the standards of the Team Rocket organization dictated, James was first shown with a Poison-type Pokémon. However, James seems to have a fondness for carnivorous (or at least dangerous) {{type2|Grass}} [[Pokémon]], owning {{p|Weepinbell}}, {{p|Victreebel}}, and {{p|Carnivine}}. It was shown during a flashback in ''[[DP082|Cream of the Croagunk Crop!]]'' how James, as a boy, found {{TP|James|Carnivine}} in the [[Great Marsh]]. It was trapped in the mud and James rescued it, the two forming a bond of friendship. It is not shown how he {{pkmn2|caught|captured}} Weepinbell, but he had owned it for a long period of time before its first appearance. The capture of a {{p|Cacnea}} early in Hoenn furthered his apparent preference for Grass-types. Often, when going into battle, his Grass Pokémon will show great affection towards James, which usually results in pain for him since all of them either have sharp teeth or spines. It is also shown that James develops a strong bond with each of his Pokémon in general; James almost treats them as his own children, and they in turn are all greatly attached to him. This could stem from the childhood memories he occasionally brings up, where it is shown that while growing up James hadn't really had any friends other than his Pokémon. When it comes time to leave a Pokémon behind for one reason or another, James often has great difficulty in letting go of his beloved friends.
====On hand====
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| {{ActivePoké|James|Mime Jr.|Mime Jr James.png|psychic}}
| {{ActivePoké|James|Carnivine|James Carnivine.png|grass}}
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====In training====
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| {{InactivePoké|James|Cacnea|Cacnea of James.png|grass}}
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====At home====
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| {{InactivePoké|James|Growlithe|Growlie.png|fire|nick=Growlie|size=188px}}
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|}

=====With relatives=====
{| align="center" width="100%"
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| {{InactivePoké|James|Chimecho|James Chimecho.jpg|psychic}}
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====Traded away====
{| align="center" width="100%"
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| {{InactivePoké|James|Victreebel|James victreebel.jpg|grass|poison|fir=Weepinbell}}
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|}

====Released====
{| align="center" width="100%"
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| {{InactivePoké|James|Gyarados|James gyarados.png|water|flying|fir=Magikarp|link=List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Gyarados}}
| {{InactivePoké|James|Weezing|JamesWeezing.png|poison|fir=Koffing}}
| {{InactivePoké|James|Victreebel|Jamesvic2.PNG|grass|poison|fir=Weepinbell|link=List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Victreebel}}
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|}

====Borrowed====
{| align="center" width="100%"
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| {{InactivePoké|Jessie|Dustox|Jessies Dustox.png|Bug|Poison}} ♀
| {{InactivePoké|Jessie|Yanmega|Jessie's Yanmega.png|Bug|Flying}} ♀
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|}

====Escaped====
{| align="center" width="100%"
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| {{InactivePoké|James|Hoppip|James hoppip.jpg|Grass|Flying|link=List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Hoppip}}
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|}

====Temporary====
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Team Rocket|Porygon|PorygonZero.png|Normal|link=List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Porygon}}
| {{InactivePoké|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Pikachu|PLEEPikachu.jpg|Electric|link=Pokémon League entrance exam instructor#Pikachu}}
| {{InactivePoké|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Ivysaur|PLEEIvysaur.jpg|Grass|Poison|link=Pokémon League entrance exam instructor#Ivysaur}}
| {{InactivePoké|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Charizard|PLEEI Ivysaur and Charizard.jpg|Fire|Flying|link=Pokémon League entrance exam instructor#Charizard}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|James|Venusaur|EP248.png|Grass|Poison|link=List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Venusaur}}
| {{InactivePoké|Ash|Pikachu|AG089.png|Electric}}
| {{InactivePoké|James|Aggron|James's Aggron.png|Steel|Rock|link=List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Aggron}}
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|}

===Achievements===
As a member of Team Rocket, he hasn't accomplished too much. However, he has proven to be quite skilled at several pursuits: Doing well in a few side competitions, and even winning a Pokémon Contest.

* {{DL|PokéRinger|Hoenn PokéRinger (Crossgate Town)|Hoenn PokéRinger}} (2nd place)
* [[Pokémon Orienteering]] (Winner)
* {{to|Lilypad}} [[Contest]] (Winner; gave [[ribbon]] to Jessie)

===Voice actors===
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|ja=三木眞一郎 ''[[Shin'ichirō Miki]]''
|cs=Michal Michálek ([[EP002]]-present, movies [[M01|1]], [[M02|2]], [[M03|3]], [[M11|11]]) Robert Jícha (movie [[M04|4]]) Radek Škvor (movies [[M06|6]] and [[M07|7]])
|nl=Bram Bart (season 1-7, movies 1-3) Paul Disbergen (season 8-present, movie 8-present)
|en=[[Ted Lewis]] ([[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] dub; [[EP002]]-[[EP009]]) [[Eric Stuart]] ([[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] dub; [[EP010]]-[[AG145]]) [[Jimmy Zoppi]] (credited as Billy Beach, {{PUSA}}/TPCi dub)
|de=Matthias Klie
|pl=Jarosław Budnik ([[EP002]]-[[AG040]], [[DP053]]-present, movies [[M01|1]], [[M02|2]], [[M03|3]] and [[M11|11]], [[Mewtwo Returns]]) Marcin Przybylski ([[DP001]]-[[DP052]])
|pt_br=Márcio Araújo
|pt_eu=Peter Michael ([[EP001]]-[[EP093]], movies [[M01|1]], [[M02|2]], [[M03|3]], and [[M04|4]]) Rui Quintas ([[EP094]]-present)
|es_eu=Iván Jara Luis Manuel Martín Díaz ([[M03|movie 3]] and [[Mewtwo Returns]])
|es_la=José Antonio Macías Eduardo Garza (young, [[EP048]]) Gabriel Gama (one scene of [[AG098]], [[AG132]] and [[AG144]]) Gerardo García ([[AG105]]-[[AG110]], one scene of [[AG174]])
|it=Simone D'Andre
|he=גיא נתיב ''Guy Nativ'' (seasons 1-6) לירון לב ''Liron Lev'' (seasons 7, 9-current) גיל צרנוביץ ''Gil Chernovich'' (season 8)
|ar=زياد الرفاعي Ziad Ar-Rifa'i
|fr_ca=Antoine Durand
|fr_eu=David Manet
|fi=Antti Pääkkönen Anssi Känsälä Antti Jaakkola Peter Philström Saku Mäkynen
|fil=Jefferson Utanes
|tr=Levent Sülün Aydoğan Temel}}

==In the manga==
{{incomplete|section}}
James was a character in [[Toshihiro Ono]]'s {{pkmn|manga}}, ''[[Electric Tale of Pikachu]]'', which was based loosely on the {{pkmn|anime}}.

While James' role in the Pokémon anime has not yet ended, in the manga, he ended up [[RocketShipping|married to Jessie]], about to start a family.

===Pokémon===
====On hand====
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| align=center | [[Image:109.png]] → [[Image:110.png]] {{TP|James|Koffing → Weezing|Weezing}}
|}

==In the games==
===Pokémon Yellow===
Both Jessie and James appear in {{game|Yellow}} as in-game bosses. They first attack the main character in [[Mt. Moon]], while trying to take one of the rare [[fossil]]s uncovered there.

Later, in [[Celadon City]]'s [[Rocket Game Corner]], Jessie and James guard Giovanni's room in the Team Rocket base. During that time, as the player runs into them, they are eager for revenge after the main character busted up their plans at Mt. Moon.

They hold [[Mr. Fuji]] hostage at [[Pokémon Tower]]. They attack the main character on the seventh floor.

Finally, at [[Silph Co.]] in [[Saffron City]], Jessie and James make their final appearance, once again trying to stall the main character from reaching their Boss.

Unlike in the anime, Jessie and James do not follow the main character around and come up with their usual evil plans to capture [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]].

====First battle====
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====Second battle====
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====Third battle====
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====Fourth battle====
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|move3=Sludge|move3type=Poison}}
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===Pokémon Puzzle League===
Along with many other anime characters, both Jessie and James appeared in [[Pokémon Puzzle League]], where they appeared with a Weezing, an Arbok, and a Golbat.

====Quotes====
=====[[Pokémon Yellow]]=====
*First battle:
''"Stop right there! That fossil is Team Rocket’s! Surrender now, or prepare to fight!"'' 
''"A brat beat us?"'' 
''"Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light!"'' 
*Second battle:
''"Not another step, brat! How dare you humiliate us at Mt.Moon! It’s payback time, you brat!"'' 
''"Such a dreadful twerp!"'' 
''"Looks like Team Rocket’s blasting off again!"'' 
*Third battle:
''"Stop right there! Grampa here wanted to complain, so we’re setting him straight. So render yourself invisible, or prepare to fight!"'' 
''"You will regret this!"'' 
''"Looks like Team Rocket’s blasting off again!"'' 
*Fourth battle:
"''Hold it right there, brat! Our Boss is in a meeting! You better not disturb him!"'' 
"''Like always…"'' 
"''Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light! Again…"'' 

==In the TCG==
[[File:SugimoriJames.png|right|thumb|Art from the EX Team Rocket Returns TCG James theme deck.]]
Jessie and James appear on both versions of the card {{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Here Comes Team Rocket!|15}}, which originally released in the {{TCG|Team Rocket}} set; it was re-released with different artwork in {{TCG|EX Team Rocket Returns}}. In that expansion, there was also a preconstructed {{TCG|Theme Deck}} based on {{TCG|James}}.

It is rumored that James may also be on the {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} set card {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Rocket's Secret Experiment|120}}, as there is a Rocket in the background, seen only from the back, who has his hairstyle, but what he may be doing in the lab is left to the imagination.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Jessie and James.png|thumb|250px|James and Jessie]]
* Both [[Jessie]] and James have used a {{p|Charizard}} at separate times (Jessie having used two). None of the three remained in their care, however.
* James at times uses the name Jameson.
* James hasn't evolved any of his Pokémon since ''[[EP261|Here's Lookin' at You, Elekid!]]''.
* He is one of the only main characters to, after being given his first Pokémon, at one point not have any Pokémon on hand. This was in ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]'' during the brief moment after he released {{TP|James|Weezing}} and before he caught {{TP|James|Cacnea}}. The other character was {{Ash}} briefly when he was traveling to [[Hoenn]].
* James is the only main character to have [[James's Victreebel|one Pokémon]] and release/give it away, then get [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Victreebel|another Pokémon of the same species]].
* James and {{MTR}} are the only main characters to have their voice actors replaced during the [[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] run of the show, then again when [[The Pokémon Company International|Pokémon USA]] took over.
* James is, as of the most recent Japanese episode, the only Trainer on the main cast who has not yet owned a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} during the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}.
** In fact, the only [[Generation II]] Pokémon James ''ever'' had was a {{DL|List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket|Hoppip}}, though it flew away before he could put it in a Poké Ball.
* In the dub, both of James's Generation III Pokémon were given away in the second episode of a season which was recorded at a new studio from the prior. {{TP|James|Chimecho}} was left in the care of [[Nanny and Pop-Pop]] in the [[AG147|second episode of Battle Frontier]] (dubbed at TAJ), while {{TP|James|Cacnea}} was given to [[Gardenia]] in the [[DP054|the second episode of Battle Dimension]] (dubbed at DuArt). This is merely coincidence, however.
* James was the first main character to release [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Gyarados|a Pokémon]].
* James was the first main character to be shown with both of their parents (although this would be equaled by {{an|Brock}}, {{an|May}} and [[Max]] as the series went on).
* A running gag in the anime involves James's {{type2|Grass}} Pokémon hurting him in a show of affection.
* In the main series games, James and [[Jessie]] are the only characters from [[Generation I]] to appear only in that generation, as they do not reappear in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]] when Kanto is revisited, and (being exclusive to Pokémon Yellow) were not adapted into the [[Generation III]] [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]] remakes.
* James is the first main character as of yet in the anime to win an official [[Pokémon contest]] on his first try, though the showcased princess [[Salvia]] later also won on her first try as well.

===Name origin===
James's English name is taken from {{wp|Jesse James}}, an American outlaw. His Japanese name, Kojiro, is taken from 佐々木小次郎 ''{{wp|Sasaki Kojirō}}'', a prominent Japanese swordsman most famous for being killed by his rival, 宮本武蔵 ''{{wp|Miyamoto Musashi}}'', the namesake of Jessie. Also, 二郎 ''Jirō'' is a name meaning "second son," while 三郎 ''Saburō'' means "third son." Kojiro takes advantage of ''Jirō'', while the Japanese name of [[Butch]], Kosaburo, takes advantage of ''Saburō''.

==Related articles==
*{{cat|Episodes focusing on Team Rocket}}
**{{cat|Episodes focusing on James}}

==External links==
*[http://shadow.beautiful-beast.net/koujiro/ Roketto], the fanlisting for James
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/r-kojirou.html Kojirō's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
*[http://pokeani.com/poke/list/r_poke-kojirou.html Kojirō's Pokémon] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

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AG131

2010-05-23T15:03:37Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Errors */ Just watched the episode and first time its two thunderbolts not thunder VS thunderbolt

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prevcode=AG130 |
prevtitle=Choose It or Lose It! |
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epcode=AG131 |
altepcode=EP405 |
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title_en=At the End of the Fray |
title_ja=最後の激闘！優勝への道！！ |
title_ja_trans=Conclusion of the Fierce Fighting! The Road to Championship!! |
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broadcast_jp=June 16, 2005 |
broadcast_us=March 25, 2006 |
en_series=Pokémon Advanced Battle |
en_op=[[Unbeatable]] |
ja_op=[[Pokémon Symphonic Medley|ポケモンシンフォニックメドレー]] |
ja_ed=[[GLORY DAY ~That Shining Day~|GLORY DAY 〜輝くその日〜]] ② |
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*[[filb-eppics:ag131|Screenshots on Filb.de]]}}
'''At the End of the Fray''' (Japanese: '''最後の激闘！優勝への道！！''' ''Conclusion of the Fierce Fighting! The Road to Championship!!'') is the 131st episode of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, and the 405th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on June 16, 2005 and in the United States on March 25, 2006.

{{spoilers}}

== Synopsis ==
The majestic forces of {{m|Ice Beam}} and {{m|SolarBeam}} collide with a vengeance creating an array of light and color. As the dust clears, {{AP|Glalie}} and {{p|Sceptile}} are both announced as [[unable to battle]]. With both {{Ash}}'s and {{ho|Tyson}}'s [[Pokémon]] being simultaneously eliminated, the stage is set for an amazing {{pkmn|battle}}.

Meanwhile, [[Team Rocket]] is presented with a ran down shack as the employer they are working for directs them to remodel the establishment. [[Jessie]] walks over to the weak structure and it collapses before her eyes. {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} is quick to give his seal of approval. [[James]] notices that {{MTR}} is missing.

On the battlefield, {{p|Shiftry}} and {{AP|Torkoal}} battle it out. Torkoal continues launching {{m|Flamethrower}} as Shiftry evades Torkoal's [[Move|attacks]]. Shiftry responds with a {{m|Shadow Ball}} attack which collides with it's target for a direct hit. Torkoal is blasted backwards but recovers from the attack. Torkoal goes for another Flamethrower attack but as Shiftry evades this second round of attacks, Torkoal ascends into the air still firing the Flamethrower and hits Shiftry for heavy damage. After the dust clears, Shiftry is announced as unable to battle.

Tyson decides to choose {{p|Hariyama}} for his third Pokémon choice. Torkoal begins with another Flamethrower attack as Hariyama blasts forward with an {{m|Arm Thrust}} reflecting and evading the Flamethrower attack. {{an|May}} and [[Max]] are surprised that the Flamethrower attack doesn't even damage Hariyama as {{an|Brock}} goes to explain that Hariyama is {{a|Thick Fat|covered with a special fat}} that helps to defend against {{t|Fire}} and {{t|Ice}} attacks. When Hariyama is within range, he strikes down with a {{m|Brick Break}} knocking Torkoal unconscious.

Ash selects {{AP|Corphish}} for his third Pokémon selection. Hariyama goes for another Brick Break attack, slamming into the ground, while Corphish manages to evade the attack. Corphish and Hariyama blast forward with their {{m|Crabhammer}} and {{m|Focus Punch}}. As the two forces clash, an explosion takes place knocking Corphish and Hariyama backwards. After the smoke clears, Corphish is announced as unable to battle leaving Ash with only three additional Pokémon.

The first half of the battle concludes as Meowth waits patiently for Tyson to release his {{TP|Tyson|Meowth}}. [[Morrison]] lectures Ash telling him that he can't lose to anyone else in the tournament since Ash managed to defeat him. Ash agrees with Morrison's statement and asks {{AP|Pikachu}} if he would like to assist him in the second half of the grueling battle. Pikachu approves with the simple gesture.

Meanwhile, Team Rocket has happened to come upon the room which holds all the participant's [[Poké Ball]]s. James also adds that since these are tournament Pokémon, that they must be extraordinarily powerful.

The second half of our battle to begin with the battlefield now changing to Rock terrain. Ash calls upon {{AP|Swellow}} for his fourth Pokémon selection as Tyson selects his Hariyama. Swellow thrusts forward with a {{m|Peck}} attack but just as Swellow comes within range, Hariyama grasps onto Swellow and prevents it from moving. Hariyama rotates into the air and slams Swellow down in a {{m|Seismic Toss}}. After a few moments, Swellow recovers and continues on the attack. Hariyama charges for a Focus Punch while Swellow counterattacks with an {{m|Aerial Ace}}. While Hariyama launches its Focus Punch, Swellow briefly goes out of sight and strikes Hariyama in the rear knocking it out.

Tyson chooses {{p|Donphan}} for his fourth Pokémon. Donphan doesn't hesitate and begins with a {{m|Sandstorm}} attack. Swellow manages to clear the Sandstorm as Donphan goes into a {{m|Rollout}} attack and propels itself off a nearby boulder hitting Swellow for heavy damage. Donphan goes into another Rollout attack hitting Swellow countless times and each time causing increasing damage. As Donphan moves for one last Rollout attack, Swellow manages to halt Donphan by using both of its legs. Swellow then grasps onto Donphan and launches it towards the ground. Donphan crashes into the ground and is announced as unable to battle. Swellow seals an impressive victory leaving Tyson with only two more available Pokémon.

A solitary Poké Ball rotates from Tyson's hand, as {{p|Metagross}} is called upon by Tyson. Metagross begins the battle with a {{m|Psychic}} attack, freezing Swellow in place. Swellow manages to break free of the Psychic attack and blasts forward with a devastating {{m|Quick Attack}}. As the two forces clash, Swellow is thrust backwards taking the full damage from its own attack. Metagross continues with a {{m|Hyper Beam}} knocking Swellow out of the match.

Ash doesn't hesitate in this competition and chooses {{AP|Grovyle}} for his fifth Pokémon. Grovyle is eager to battle as it closes in on Metagross and begins with a barrage of {{m|Bullet Seed}}. While Grovyle continues with its Bullet Seed attack, Metagross launches a Hyper Beam attack. Grovyle evades the attack and continues with its Bullet Seed attack. Grovyle launches forward for a {{m|Leaf Blade}} attack but Metagross manages to recover and counterattack with a {{m|Meteor Mash}} knocking Grovyle unconscious and unable to battle.

Ash selects his faithful companion Pikachu for his final attack. Pikachu bolts forward with a {{m|Thunderbolt}} attack hitting directly but proving to take no effect on Metagross. Metagross retaliates with a Psychic attack but Pikachu manages to avoid the psychokinesis waves as it grasps onto Metagross's body and delivers an electrifying {{m|Thunder}} through Metagross's body, knocking Metagross out of the competition. This magnificent victory leaves both Tyson and Ash with only one Pokémon selection.

Tyson calls upon his Meowth for the sixth selection. Team Rocket's Meowth calls out cheering for Tyson's Meowth. Meanwhile, Team Rocket is managing to collect the participant's Poké Balls, their employer smashes through the door with uncontrollable anger.

Pikachu launches another Thunderbolt attack as Meowth begins with its own Thunderbolt. The two combatants to continue with Thunderbolt attacks as the stadium fills with fray electrical energy. Ash decides to take the battle into close range with a Quick Attack. Meowth creates a state of confusion by creating duplicates of itself with {{m|Double Team}}. The two Pokémon clash with {{m|Iron Tail}} attacks as both Pokémon aren't giving much distance between each other. Meowth and Pikachu clash once more with Meowth's {{m|Slash}} and Pikachu's Quick Attack. Pikachu launches a devastating Thunder attack as Meowth once more defends against the attack with a Thunderbolt. Pikachu thrusts forward with its Iron Tail attack as Meowth counterattacks with its own Iron Tail. Both attacks hit directly as both sides take heavy damage. Both Pokémon struggle to continue the battle both panting for air. After a fierce standoff, Pikachu collapses to the ground and Tyson advances to the next round. Both Trainers gather in the middle of the battlefield and congratulate each other. Morrison managed to become emotionally attached to the battle as much as Ash.

Team Rocket are on the escape from the old man employer as Meowth shouts out. Jessie and James turn around with delight of sighting their faithful companion, Meowth. The employer finally catches up with Team Rocket and thrusts forward with a hard punch blasting Team Rocket off like a brilliant star.

The Hoenn championship finally concludes with Tyson announced as the [[Pokémon champion|Tournament Victor]]. May is surprised that Tyson actually managed to claim first place. Brock regains a sense of battle pride and grows interested in participating in battling once more.

Morrison is eager to inform Ash that at the next tournament, he will finally defeat Ash. The curtain finally closes on an amazing [[Hoenn League]] Championship.

== Major events ==
* {{Ash}} continues his battle against {{ho|Tyson}} and loses.
* Tyson advances to the semi-finals, then to the finals, and becomes champion of the [[Ever Grande Conference]].
=== Debuts ===

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|May}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Morrison]]
* {{ho|Tyson}}
* [[Mr. Goodshow]]
* Team Rocket's employer

=== Pokémon ===
[[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]]: {{p|Mawile}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{op|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{op|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Swellow}} ({{op|Ash|Swellow}})
* {{p|Grovyle}} ({{op|Ash|Grovyle}})
* {{p|Corphish}} ({{op|Ash|Corphish}})
* {{p|Torkoal}} ({{op|Ash|Torkoal}})
* {{p|Glalie}} ({{op|Ash|Glalie}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{op|Tyson|Meowth}})
* {{p|Metagross}} ({{ho|Tyson}}'s)
* {{p|Sceptile}} ({{ho|Tyson}}'s)
* {{p|Donphan}} ({{ho|Tyson}}'s)
* {{p|Shiftry}} ({{ho|Tyson}}'s)
* {{p|Hariyama}} ({{ho|Tyson}}'s)

== Trivia ==
* The dub title comes from the phrase "at the end of the day".

=== Errors ===
* Brock incorrectly refers to {{p|Metagross}}'s {{m|Hyper Beam}} as {{m|SolarBeam}} in the dub.
* In the Italian dub, during the first 10 minutes of this episode, all voices and all audio effects (except Italian voice actors' voices) are lower than the normal. This problem is later solved.
* When Pikachu's Thunder and Meowth's Thunderbolt collide, the commentator remarks about the two colliding Thunderbolts.

=== Dub edits ===

=== Pokémon Trainer's Choice ===
* Question: Trainers, which of these Pokémon does not evolve?
* Choices: {{p|Baltoy}}, {{p|Mawile}}, {{p|Aron}}
* Answer: OK, trainers! If you chose {{p|Mawile}}, you were right!

== In other languages ==
* Chinese: '''{{tt|最後的激戰！通往優勝之路！！|Final Fierce Fighting! The Road to Championship!!}}'''
* French: '''{{tt|Un match décisif|A decisive match}}'''
* German: '''{{tt|Und der Gewinner ist?|And the winner is?}}'''
* Italian: '''{{tt|Lotta per il podio|Fight for the podium}}'''
* Portuguese:
** Brazilian: '''{{tt|No Fim da Luta|At the End of the Fight}}'''
** Iberian: '''{{tt|No Fim do Combate|At the End of the Combat}}'''
* Latin America Spanish: '''{{tt|Al final del combate|At the end of combat}}'''
* Iberian Spanish: '''{{tt|El final del campeonato|The final of the championship}}'''
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Talk:May (anime)

2010-05-22T21:13:31Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Hairstyle */ new section

That pic got horribly distorted. Help? Anyone? [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:32, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How's that? Use "Frame" instead of "Thumb". - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 20:40, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

May just got Munchlax. Someone might want to mention that in her bio. The ep was called "May Deliciously Captures Munchlax". Screenshots are at SPP that confirm it.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 19:51, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't the policy that Pokémon are only to be linked to once per article unless absolutely necessary? Munchlax is already listed at the beginning of the article. On top of that, there's a double standard when Torchic is only linked once but Munchlax is twice. [[User:Argy|Argy]]
: You forget that lists are excepted from the rule since they should be convenient to use. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]]

Y'know, if there's one thing about May I don't get, it's this: When she first saw a {{p|Treecko}} in [[AG001]], she creeped out. While in [[AG007]], she didn't show the slightest bit of being uncomfortable when around a whole bunch of them.
:She also hated Pokémon in [[AG001]], while she doesn't by [[AG007]]. It's a plot hole. (Which is actually a shame since they could have shown her actually changing through the contest storyline.) [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 08:48, 20 November 2005 (CST)

When did May wear a bikini?[[User:HK-47|HK-47]]

===Blaziken?===
I don't think May's lineup should be updated with Blaziken until we see it evolve in the show.
:It already has evolved on the show. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Swablu? ==

Shouldn't Swablu count as a Pokémon that she temporarily owned? I mean we count Manaphy which she never caught so why not Swablu? Truthfully I think they should both count as Pokémon that she had befriended.
- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Kenji-girl|Kenji-girl]] ([[User talk:Kenji-girl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

No, we don't count Manaphy. Some idiot keeps on putting that in there. If we counted every wild Pokemon someone made pals with, everyone would have like 60 Pokemon listed. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 02:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and that idiot would be Tiago Luke. If we added every Pokemon a character ever befriended, Brock would have Sharpedo, Stantler, Ninetales and Max would have Ralts, Poochyena, Poliwag, and Jirachi and everything would just get incredibly silly. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 02:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

: Actually, that Ninetales was named and unique, so it could definitely warrant an article... but yeah, not identified as Brock's. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, someone's added Swablu now. Why though, if it was never really hers? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 18:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

==Rival==
I don't think May is the only character to have a rival of the oppisite gender. I mean Brock has Suzie. And what about Ash and Casey? - Kenji-girl
: I agree in some ways, but Drew is her main rival and Casey is like a secondary rival to Ash, not like Gary. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::Put simply, Casey and Suzie aren't rivals in the way Gary/Paul/Drew/Harley/Zoey are. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Beautifly and Skitty? ==

In The Unbeatable Lightness of Seeing (or something like that), didn't May get Beautifly and Skitty back? In which case, why are they listed on her bio as "at home"? They're with May now, right? --
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:Your guess is just about as good as anyone else's. May hasn't been seen since [[AG191|Home is Where the Start Is]] and as far as I know, she said nothing about keeping her Skitty and Beautifly with her.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 15:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

===Reappearance?===
Is she really appearing in [[DP076]]?Because that would be cool i hope [[Max]] is there too and Misty lol{{Ani|007}}{{Ani|025}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Co''']][[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|'''ol''']] [[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra‎|'''chu''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Sig|'''!''']][http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/ '''!!''']{{Ani|492}}{{Ani|471}}

Look, the Episode summary on Pokeani may have said a reappearance (pun not intended), but that could have been an april fools joke. We need to wait until AT LEAST after the [[DP075|Wallace episode]] airs (Since there will be a preview for the 76th episode after that.) to be ABSOLUTELY certain that she will reappear in that episode (which even THAT isn't 100% guaranteed since the writers seem to like messing with their fans minds [the Buizel capture episode preview comes to mind.].).

Also, even IF it is confirmed that she is going to make an appearance in that episode (which would be extremely random even FOR pokemon to have her reappear when she is supposed to be doing Contests in Johto. I mean, at least Misty's reappearance made sense, since she doesn't HAVE to travel, plus, the gym wasn't even her goal, but with May shirking off her goal in life for almost no reason whatsoever, thats extremely random, no matter HOW you mention it.), It doesn't mean that Max would reappear, especially since he is supposed to be waiting until he becomes old enough to train Pokemon (which may never happen considering how the creators said Ash's age is ten years old even AFTER 6 regions have passed [yes, six, I count the Orange Islands and the Battle frontier as Regions].), and he would have to travel around Hoenn first BEFORE going to Sinnoh (then again, Paul DID travel through other regions first and THEN did pokemon training in his home region last.).

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:Except, you know, April Fool's Day jokes usually take place ''on April Fool's Day.'' And Wallace is probably a world-famous Coordinator in the anime. Nothing wrong with traveling to the northern half of the country for that. The Convention could also have been an invitational. You never know, maybe the committee took care of May's traveling issues. (And I fail to see how doing a Contest is a different region constitutes "shirking one's goal in life." Is her life's calling limited to contests in Johto or something?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::Also, causing this much commotion, and leading up to a fake, could bring a negative effect to the website. {{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 02:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Naw its on Bulbanews now I think they check their sources. So May is coming back I wonder if she will get a new traveling outfit like Misty did when she showed up. So the plot I read has a dual contest with Dawn as a teammate against Ash and Brock. The guys really should stand no chance despite the fact that both have competed in contests. The 2 girls have competed in many more...wait wasn't May traveling with Drew and Harley or did she decide to travel seperately I don't really remember the BF very much. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 02:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Who knows this may be true or a prank i hope it's true cause i miss the old characters and seeing them again and mabye May is there cause Wallace invite her and stuff for a comp.who knows......... {{Ani|007}}{{Ani|025}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Co''']][[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|'''ol''']] [[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra‎|'''chu''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Sig|'''!''']][http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/ '''!!''']{{Ani|492}}{{Ani|471}}
:::::It's quite possible she will wear her Emerald outfit. Just without the green{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 05:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah i hope so but do u think Max is going to appear i think not if this Episode is not a Prank {{Ani|007}}{{Ani|025}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Co''']][[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|'''ol''']] [[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra‎|'''chu''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Sig|'''!''']][http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/ '''!!''']{{Ani|492}}{{Ani|471}}
:::::::Remember, May went off to travel Johto ''alone''{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 05:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::True...but the plot of this episode does not make any sence because she '''''went''''' to Johto with Drew and Harley but who knows...{{Ani|007}}{{Ani|025}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Co''']][[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|'''ol''']] [[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra‎|'''chu''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Sig|'''!''']][http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/ '''!!''']{{Ani|492}}{{Ani|471}}
:::::::Wallace is holding a very special contest and May decides to attend. Just wait and watch. Good night{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 05:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::kk night I'm going off too{{Ani|007}}{{Ani|025}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Co''']][[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|'''ol''']] [[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra‎|'''chu''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Sig|'''!''']][http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/ '''!!''']{{Ani|492}}{{Ani|471}}
:::::::::I don't think it's a special contest.I think it's an unofficial contest only.And it makes no sense that May leave Johto for an unofficial contest.And May is not special.Why does Wallace need to invite her.Why not invite a GF winner like Johanna?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 08:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::We don't know why or we would know. Amazing concept huh. <(sarcasm) {{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 11:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''Except, you know, April Fool's Day jokes usually take place ''on April Fool's Day.'' And Wallace is probably a world-famous Coordinator in the anime. Nothing wrong with traveling to the northern half of the country for that. The Convention could also have been an invitational. You never know, maybe the committee took care of May's traveling issues. (And I fail to see how doing a Contest is a different region constitutes "shirking one's goal in life." Is her life's calling limited to contests in Johto or something?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)'''

While it IS true that Afd jokes usually take place on April fools day, that doesn't mean that it's exclusively on that day. Look at Electronic Gaming Monthly: Those Guys air their April Fools Day Jokes on FEBRUARY, for goodness sakes!

Also, in regards to what I mean to "Shirking off her goal in life" what I mean is that she left in the middle of her run in Johto just to attend a contest in Sinnoh which she could have easily waited for after she gets done with Johto. I mean, did Ash leave for another region when he was in the middle of his own region just because of something that was of Interest for him? No he did not (and before anyone mentions the Whirl Islands, they don't count since they are part of Johto, and plus, it was something Misty wanted to do), Gary and Paul didn't do that either, so if they aren't doing it when they were doing it in THEIR journeys, then May shouldn't either.

And, BTW, that's only IF it is true. the only way we can get OFFICIAL confirmation for now is through the episode previews at the very least, so we have a long wait until then. Maybe if the episode summary didn't appear until AFTER this years April Fools Day, I would be much more believing (and accepting of it even though I feel it is the writers biggest Mistake since i have negative emotions of her.)

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:A magazine is a different manner. They're not time-sensitive the way a website can be.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== I forget ==

Although it says Top 4, for the Hoenn Grand Festival, was May in the top 4 or top 8? [[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 00:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Sigh... ==

Ok, I really think that the part about May being the second main character other than Ash to get her own movie should be removed from the Trivia section.

I mean, let me be frank with you, May didn't HAVE a lead role in a movie, especially the Manaphy movie, since, Guess what, Ash got the limelight in the end of that movie.

In order for her to have a lead role in that movie, it should be completely dedicated to herself (in other words, EVERY SINGLE THING in that movie, especially it's ending, is solely focused on her.). In other words, the only one who actually GOT a lead role in a movie was [[Max]].

I mean, if [[The_Power_of_One|the second movie]] wasn't counted as Misty's film DESPITE her playing a very BIG role in that movie, how is [[Pokemon_Ranger_and_the_Temple_of_the_Sea|the ninth movie]] any different?

Maybe I'm not seeing something, but I think we should remove the "May's the second pokemon character OTHER than ash to get a lead role in a movie" thing from the trivia Section. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Weedle McHairybug

: Weedle, we went through this with Dawn already. I swear you just posted this to start a fight.

: No, "lead role" does not mean "May does absolutely everything." She's a main character, not a Mary Sue. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:: No, my intent wasn't to start a fight. If it was, I would have called people names. I did actually think she was undeserving of the title. I mean, I should just say that, unlike the Dawn thing, not once did I say that none of the others shouldn't appear at all.

::And, BTW, if lead role doesn't mean "she has to do everything", then why is it that Max is the one who actually DOES everything in the Jirachi Movie? I mean, even the ending/climax was completely devoted to him.

::See what I mean? I mean, [[Misty]] also had a very huge role in "[[The Power of One]]" (big enough of a role to have her arguably being a co-star/lead in that movie), and many people still thought she wasn't a lead of that movie.

::Likewise, May had a huge role in "[[Pokemon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]", and the climax had Ash getting the limelight, and she was still considered the lead role of the movie despite being the same as Misty in that Movie in terms of roles.

::This is the reason why I feel that she was really undeserving of the title. If you don't want it deleted, fine, suit yourself, I won't stop you, but just know that this is my rationale.

::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)Weedle McHairybug

:::Why does your username have your name in thrice? Once will do.

::: Anyway, you're going to have to do better than "because Ash stole the ending". May and Manaphy's relationship was still one of the driving forces of the plot, more so than...actually, what DID Misty have to do with the plot for ''Power Of One''? I seem to remember that being more of an Ash movie. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::CPR. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::As TTEchidna said, CPR. However, she also braved stormy seas chasing after Ash when Ash's Pikachu was going for Fire Island, she helped Ash get the confidence to go to Ice Island, and she was the [First] one who figured out that the legend was meaning that [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]] is the chosen one (in the dub, at least, but I'm pretty certain that a similar thing was done in the original version.), so, in that movie at least, she did quite a lot, if you ask me. It's no different than when May was nursing that {{an|Manaphy}}.

:::::As for why I have my username in thrice, it's because I tried to sign it in four tildes WITH my user name (since that's how they told me how to sign my username.

:::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Ok, Misty did a bit, but ''Power of One'' was still more of an Ash movie (Given he was the one who ''was'' the Chosen One and collected the Orbs of Fire, Ice and Lightning). May was still a heck of a lot more central to the plot of ''Prince of the Sea'' than Misty was in ''Power Of One'' [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 22:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

==Wartortle==

A new summary implies that her Squirtle evolved since the Summary says she will enter the Wallace Contest with a Wartortle. Or we going to leave it out until the episode (DP077) airs? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:We don't know if it is already evolved or will evolve during the first couple of episodes so leave it for now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::Funny... I would've expected news of Eevee first. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't have, and I hate you Fabu-Vinny, who ever made you administrator???'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF0000|Po}}{{Color|FFFF00|ke}}]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|00FF00|Ma}}{{Color|00FFFF|ni}}{{Color|0000FF|ac}}]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF00FF|102}}]]''' 21:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Uh, why do you hate me? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that's stupid to say. ''I'' protected it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, I hate Fabu-Vinny for all that '''Befriended''' stuff'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF0000|Po}}{{Color|FFFF00|ke}}]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|00FF00|Ma}}{{Color|00FFFF|ni}}{{Color|0000FF|ac}}]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF00FF|102}}]]''' 22:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::So not only is it a personal attack, it is one that has nothing to with this discussion. Please try to be a little more civilised in future. It makes for much more productive discussion. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It's also a lame reason. Swablu's barely on-par with a character like Samurai. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh I don't care about Swablu, I only care about manaphy, riolu, latias, lucario, hippopotas, THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES!'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF0000|Po}}{{Color|FFFF00|ke}}]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|{{Color|00FF00|Ma}}{{Color|00FFFF|ni}}{{Color|0000FF|ac}}]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|{{Color|FF00FF|102}}]]''' 22:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that's alright then. *rolls eyes* Please do calm down, Pokemaniac. Sniping isn't going to help matters. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 14:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:Manaphy, Latias, and Lucario: movie PotDs. Riolu and Hippopotas: Can we say Jigglypuff? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Manaphy deserves some sort of recognition in the "May's Pokemon" section: May is/was it's mother, after all. It's basically Togepi, only with more character and less screen-time. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 19:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

==D/P May==
Should I put this picture on the page?[[:a:image:May TBC.jpg]] [[User:CoolPikachu!]]

== AG pic ==

Since the page is in protect mode and I thusly can't do it myself, could one of the mods please either 1) put a [= =] command in between the '''Character''' and '''Pokemon'' sections or 2) shrink the May's AG outfit picture a bit? The page looks slightly untidy at the moment.

== Glaceon ==

We should add about Glaceon to the article because Eevee has evolved as of DP076.
:...have you not been paying attention whatsoever? :/ [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

But Serebii.net seems to have confirmed that the Glaceon is May's. Why not add it? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 19:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:The episode hasn't aired yet. Let's just wait. After all, the Pokémon news doesn't revolve around Serebii.. ;>_> Who knows, it might not be May's (no matter what the slim chance..) [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::May was seen commanding something immediately after Glaceon was seen. Though that's definitely evidence in an episode, this was a preview. I could make a preview, too, for DP074's US airing, showing Ash commanding a Raichu. Lemme prove it by doing so... in a bit. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::By the by, this trick would work best if you didn't understand a word of Japanese. If you can pick up on a few keywords, though, you won't fall for it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5NPbHcJDk There. Fake preview done.] I know it sucks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==
Shouldn't May's AG picture go in the template rather than her {{tt|new|Or as I call Emerald}} outfit? That's how everyone else's is. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 21:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:Ash's new outfit is in his... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:And Gary's is in his... Brock and Misty are in their FRLG art... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ok let me add some info I forgot. I mean that the rest have the characters whole body. And in the newest possible outfit in which a full body picture is available. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 21:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Since May was only a main character for Advanced Generation, her outfit from that time probably should take precedence. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

==New Trivia==
* Since she competed in the [[Wallace Cup]] in DP78, May is the only Coordinator so far who has competed in every Main Game Series Region.

Anyone who could phrase that better, be my guest. I'm just listing it here since I can't even edit the page right now...--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 23:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:DP078 has not happened yet, so no, she is not the only coordinator so far who has competed in every Main Game Series Region•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 23:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::When she competes we will add. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Were did May get an Omitrix?[[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 23:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:Omitrix???{{tt|ok?|someone sees too much Ben 10}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu]]
::Having researched and discovered that that an Omitrix is the watch from Ben 10, I assume you're talking about [[Pokégear]]. She probably got it in {{tt|Johto|To show off GSDS, maybe?}}. But like I said, I don't watch the anime, so I have no idea what you're talking about. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]]
:::[[Ditto]]:)[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]]
::::Wha? blah, anyway, NOTHING GOES ON THAT PAGE TILL THE EPISODE AIRS•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 00:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well..Duh because we could ALL be wrong.. [[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 00:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::No, not that, because
# It hasn't even happened yet.
# TTEchidna said so.
•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 00:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::Huh now you lost me {{tt|a lot!|You don't make since sorry:(}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]]
00:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::blah•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 00:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::{{tt|uhhh......|whatever i guess... to watever you said}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]]
00:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Sure he makes sense. It's Bulbapedia policy that nothing in the Anime happens until it actually happens, to prevent speculation from running rampant. If a preview shows a snorlax and eveyone goes "OMG ITS MAYZ LOL", and then it ''isn't'' May's, we'd have a bunch of edits to revert and we'd look sort of stupid. That's why the policy exists. A shame nobody seems to pay attention to it... --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 00:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::::{{tt|Ohh that makes more sense|thxs I'm used to long explaining...I have too much AP classes}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 00:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I pay attention! :) and Do they always need to spell it out for you Cool Pikachu?•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 00:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tt|.......|harsh and no!I would reply back with something harsher but that would be too immature}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 00:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Easy there, guys. Nobody wants a flame war. We're all friends here.
::::::::::Anyway... can anyone figure out for sure if it really is a [[Pokégear]] that {{u|Cerberus}} was talking about? Obviously, we wouldn't be able to mention it until the episode actually airs, but once we can, it might be important. Now that I think of it, it could have just as easily been a [[Pokétch]]... I guess we'll have to wait to find out. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 00:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes we are ok I'll check online for anything if it's a [[Pokégear]] and true[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 00:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Don't forget! Could be Ash's! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yup btw is this a contest or a tag-battle type thing?[[User:CoolPikachu!]]01:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::From what I can decipher of {{u|Cerberus}}'s comments, he was just talking about May's wrist bands that are part of her Emerald uniform. Evidently, no [[Pokégear]]. Blast. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 04:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I KNEW IT! So they were wrist bands :) I was right-'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

==[[Johto]] [[Ribbons]]==
I saw today's new episode and saw May with 3 ribbons are those for [[Johto]]???'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:Yep. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::Should those be added on her page?Or no because we don't what cities she got them from so it shouldn't be long'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:::That doesn't matter. We can just say she won 3 Johto ribbons. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 10:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Yes, we ''can''. However, it would be better if we could identify those ribbons... --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, but till any info is given on which cities the ribbons belong to, we can only say she won them. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 20:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Protection ==

Aaand we're back on protect mode. Thank god for that; Kuki was driving me up the wall. What worries me more is that the article seems to have dissapeared from my watchlist. Is this a new feature? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 18:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

YO I"M STILL HERE!!!!!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 18:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

And Pikablu is already arranging to lift the protection, revert it back 2 my edit, and then put it bak under protection (2 avoid gun-jumpers)!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:I never said any such thing. Please don't make false claims.

:Besides, sysops can still edit the articles directly, which meant if I WERE to revert to Kuki's edit, I could do it without lifting the protection. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:Could someone fix the line that says she appears from DP076 through DP080? Dp080 has been confirmed to be the ''Yanma Capture Operation'', not the ''Wallace Cup Finals vs. Yanmega''. '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 02:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

==Munchlax missing==
I'm not familiar with Bulbapedia's formats, but Munchlax has mysteriously vanished from May's list of Pokemon. Anybody know how to add it back in? [[User:Matkin22|Matkin22]] 20:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
: I have corrected the problem. It was an unfinished table. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 20:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
: *checks the page history* What are you talking about, Mattkin? Munchlax was above Bulbasaur and to the left of Squirtle. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::after the changes were made for Bulbasaur's evolution to Venusaur, the image of Muchlax vanished from the list of Pokemon that May has. The data was still there when editing the page, but it was missing when viewing the page. [[User:Matkin22|Matkin22]] 15:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

==Skitty on hand?==
The current revision has May's Skitty listed as being on hand. But that would mean that May's carrying seven Pokémon, right? I haven't seen the newest episode, so I don't know if Skitty appears, but it seems odd to me.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

She uses all of them in the Wallace Cup at one point or another, so they're all listed there. Yeah, she probably rotated at some point, but if we tried to keep track of that, we'd go insane. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, I'm confused. So she has Blaziken, Glaceon, Munchlax, Beautifly, Venusaur, and Wartortle on hand? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 17:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:: And Skitty at some point. As I said, easier just to list everyone in the same section. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 20:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
On her page, Wartortle, Munchlax and Skitty are in a separate box, but it doesn't say why. Also, on the thing at the bottom of the page that says her Pokémon, Skitty is at the Gym and the rest are with her. Im not sure how to fix it so I'll let you guys take care of it. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 19:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I put them in a seperate box because it was neater that way. As for the bottom of the page... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
: Ah, I see what you mean now. Someone else will have to fix that. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== May's Maturity/Increased Tomboyishness/Increased Confidence ==

Remember how, even as late as [[May's Glaceon|Eevee]]'s hatching, most of the Pokemon she caught were cutesy, sort of like how Dawn is now? Ever since Combusken has evolved, her Pokemon have gained that tough attitude look (Venusaur and Wartortle, which could become Blastoise by her next reappearance arc, now included)? It has sort of gone along with the growth of her (emotional) maturity and confidence, you know what I mean?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:Sigh, look, let me be frank here, her emotional maturity was still the same as it was when she started (otherwise, she wouldn't have cried because she lost the Kanto Grand Festival, she wouldn't have complained about Ash "copying" her Expedition team phrase, AND, more importantly, she wouldn't have had that fit in her actual return in DP77 (you know, the image of May being extremely angry and about to throw a temper tantrum). Not to mention, she would have developed a backbone and actually ATTEMPTED to save Manaphy in the 9th movie rather than just stand there like a coward.).

:And, also, just because May has a Venusaur, Wartortle, and Blaziken on her team DOESN'T mean she's become more tomboyish. Look at Harley, his pokemon weren't exactly "cutesy" either, and he was one of the more girly characters in the series. Heck, Misty, who IS a tomboy, anyways, ALSO has somewhat girly pokemon on her team, and despite that, she was still VERY much a tomboy, so really, May is still very girly.

:[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Given you clearly hate May, I'm not sure you're the best one to talk. Why are you bringing up the Kanto Grand Festival and Manaphy when neither have anything to do with how she's grown now? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah, you're right, I do hate her, for reasons I've already stated, but that's not the reason why I am doing this. I'm doing this because I'm not sure that she really did emotionally mature.

:::As for how The Kanto Grand Festival and Manaphy have anything to do with how she's grown now, simple. she shouldn't have cried just because she lost that competition. I mean, for goodness sakes, [[Drew]] didn't cry when He lost to May, and he has marginally more experience than her (All I know is that he had one more grand festival than her, if that Solidad competition flashback means anything.). Ash also didn't cry when he lost the Johto league, so why would she cry for losing a second time?

:::And as for the Manaphy movie, the mere fact that she was too afraid to even ATTEMPT to rescue Manaphy from Phantom's clutches in the climax proves that she really was no different than in the beginning of her journey.

:::And anyways, if she were emotionally mature now, she wouldn't have thrown that tantrum that we saw in the preview for her first ACTUAL appearance (her brief appearance in the ending of [[DP075]] doesn't count.). You know the one that I'm talking about, it was common talk among pokemon fans.

:::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:::: You miss my point: Kuki said "Ever since Combusken evolved" refferring to when it became Blaziken. There's no point bringing up your greviances from before then because they're outside what's being reffered to.

:::: As for May's Daemon-from-hell impression, that wasn't a temper tantrum, that was a promise of imminent pain. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:::::Really? Well, my point still stands, anyways (with the "tough" pokemon, anyways.) Because, If the whole "she has non-cutesy pokemon, therefore she is a tomboy" belief is true, then by that same token, then Harley was really masculine just because his pokemon weren't "Cutesy" to fit his... Err... Quirks, and we all know that is far from the truth, because, even though he had "Non Cutesy" pokemon such as Cacturne, Banette, and Ariados, he was still extremely feminine for a guy.

:::::Also, "promise of imminent pain"? she was demonic because there wasn't any food! That's not a promise of imminent pain, that's a temper tantrum. Promise of imminent pain is when a person does something that hurts the other and you want revenge (like making an actual insult towards you or kidnapping/murdering your friend). May's reaction was for something far more trivial than that, which is the case of a temper tantrum.

:::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Harley's Pokémon were more creepy than anything else. As for May, her reaction didn't have any wild arm movements and she wasn't yelling, so it wasn't a temper tantrum. Besides, it's May; For her, food is [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeriousBusiness| Serious Business]. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon boxes ==

Gave up on arguing this last night because I was tired, but can someone please explain how...

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=290px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center colspan=2 | [[Image:007.png]] → [[Image:008.png]] [[May's Wartortle|Squirtle → Wartortle]]
|-
| align=center | [[Image:300.png]] {{TP|May|Skitty}}
| align=center | [[Image:446.png]] {{TP|May|Munchlax}}
|}

Is somehow neater than splitting them off into their own box, thus allowing...

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center colspan=2 | [[Image:007.png]] → [[Image:008.png]] [[May's Wartortle|Squirtle → Wartortle]]
|-
| align=center | [[Image:300.png]] {{TP|May|Skitty}}
| align=center | [[Image:446.png]] {{TP|May|Munchlax}}
|}

...Anyone? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 09:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Its just for easy comprehension. If they're all in the same box, people assume they're all in the same place, in this case, with May. But the links at the bottom say Skitty's at home so that should be changed... [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 21:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Mooites

== Manaphy (IMPORTANT) ==

We've discussed this and since May has Manaphy, Max has Jirachi, I think Ash should have Latias and Lucario! Any1 agree?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ummm... that's nice and all, but.. couldn't you make this section in '''Ash Ketchum's talk page'''? {{unsigned|Weedle McHairybug}}
::May shouldn't have Swablu or Manaphy to begin with. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, I've seen the movie, and May should have Manaphy on her page (in a befriended section, that is).--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

::::I agree with that (having Manaphy in May's Befriended section), same reason Kuki said (Max's befriended contain Jirachi and it was quite simmilar, only Jirachi came from crystal) [[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]] 00:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Her page should atleast mention Manaphy, if nothing else! She hatched it and it even called her "Momma". [[User:Artbender|Artbender]] 02:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Don't put this here again. ==

*Recently, former director and storyboard artist of the Pokémon anime, Masamitsu Hidaka, admitted that the reason that May was introduced is similar in scope as to why {{Tracey}} was introduced. However, rather than being because of a fear of cries of racism, Hidaka implied that they switched the girls around to give older male fans "eye candy", as well as to use Ken Sugimori's designs for the newer game characters. His perceived sexist statement has been debated by fans since this revelation.

This statement is irrelevant to the article, because it is not specifically referring to the article's titular character. The same goes for the other girls. --[[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 04:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:Just watch out. The guy who wrote this in is known to revert like hell if he feels it's worthy. He may reverted back. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::True. but nobody listens to him anyway, so... [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 04:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::If we are to remove that from the article, then I guess we should remove the GS ball thing from Celebi's article, and we should also remove the Tracey thing from Brock's article. Really, if they were compatable to those articles, then this portion is compatable to this article. I mean, this deals with ALL the girls (as in, the eye candy things.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::::The GS ball is very relevant to Celebi because it finally provides closure which everyone was dying to know about (or more likely, confirm). The Brock-Tracey thing is similar to the Jynx ordeal, which is a justifiable fear. This just adds nothing to the article and it is horribly worded as well. If we really have to put this back, the wording should be altered to be more factual and less opinionated. Besides, are you sure that your motives for adding this in the article are solely for factual analysis? You've shown that you cannot keep an objective point of view with your comments, so I doubt you should be the one making value judgments here. In fact, with your inability to keep your point of view out of the way, you shouldn't be editing this article at all! --[[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 15:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, that part you showed was TTEchidna's edit on the article. My edit was this one:
:::::*Recently, former director and storyboard artist of the Pokémon anime, Masamitsu Hidaka, admitted that the reason they created May (and why they switch around the girls) is solely for "Eye candy". These words started a huge controversy among the fanbase, some of them being deeply angered at this apparant "sexist remark" towards both genders. How, if anything, it will affect May or any of the other female protagonists in regards to returns remains to be seen. It should be noted, however that this was only stated by Hidaka and not by any other staff members.
:::::Also, LESS opinionated? It wasn't opinionated. Look, take a good look on the forums and see what I mean! Many people were saying it's sexist, while others laughed it off! It is fact that it was debated. Besides, was it "opinionated" when people mentioned the Buizel controversy? no! otherwise, they wouldn't mention it. Heck, wiki's are opinionated, no matter what. It's virtually impossible to keep things non-opinionated/unbiased without destroying this wiki. Besides, you guys source fansites like Pokébeach, Serebiiforums, BMGf, Pokécommunity, and others, which ALSO reeks bias. Heck, even OFFICIAL sites reek a form of Bias. If you want to eliminate Bias from bulbapedia, why don't we just DESTROY Bulbapedia while we are at it. I'm sorry for that rant, but I don't appreciate it when people like you guys feel that I'm opinionated, when in all actuality, ALL of us are opinionated on here. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 16:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Sheesh. Destroy the Wiki? Crikey, it's difficult to take someone who uses hyperbole so repeatedly seriously. My Internet life grew up on Wikipedia policies, which work fairly well. Wikipedia attempts to be fairly objective by implementing the Neutral Point of View and Reliable Sources policies. You see, the problem is not with people having an opinion. I personally am very opinionated, because I feel that attempting to stay centrist requires too much compromise, but I try to acknowledge that other people's opinions exist, unless said opinions are so utterly ridiculous that I just can't digest them. On a wiki, however, one has to focus on facts, and not let opinion sway one's editing. Also, one must cooperate with the other editors in consensus to achieve a neutral point of view. You seem to wish to just do your own thing rather than cooperate, and the problem is not with you being opinionated. It's the fact that you can't distinguish between your opinion and objective editing that is the problem.

Finally, Wikipedia has Notability guidelines. The sexism controversy arising from the statement is not notable and has nothing at all to do with the topic. Maybe it has relevance on the Masamitsu Hidaka page, but not here. We can't let Bulbapedia become more a fandom-pedia than about the actual franchise itself, ya know. --[[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 16:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:Or you could make a page about sexism in pokemon......[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]] 14:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
::We can just add it to [[Pokémon controversy]] if the need arises. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== May's Last Name ==

I didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I might suggest it. In the Pokemon Advanced episode ''[[Win, Lose, or Drew!]]'', May was introduced in her first Pokemon contest as "May Yura" (Not sure of the spelling).

[http://www.kunalnanda.com/pokemon/2008/01/28/season-6-episode-311-win-lose-or-drew/ This is the link to the episode.] It occurs around 11:45 on that video. [[User:Professor Munchlax|Professor Munchlax]] 07:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:She clearly said "May, you're up!". Mystery solved. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
::It's problably a mispronucing of "May you're up" cause they haven't revealed her last name.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 07:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I just realized that was what it was...Thanks! [[User:Professor Munchlax|Professor Munchlax]] 17:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

==Protection==

Why is this still protected? I realize the episodes have not aired in the US, but they have in Japan so all info is known.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 04:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
==new pic==
does anyone else think this pic looks better than the one on her page now? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 03:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[[Image:May2.JPG|right|thumb|200px|new May pic?]]
:The one on the page shows more of her body, which ''Wikipedia'' would rule more useful...I'd have to agree.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Its great.Glitchym1[[User:Glitchym1|Mglitch]] 22:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Original Japanese Name (before Haruka) ==

Well, I've recently got a tip-off from Team Rocket Headquarters that Haruka was originally going to be named Kimi. The link is here if you wish to know:

http://teamrocketheadquaterss.yuku.com/topic/1415/t/Misty-not-in-season-six.html

Anyone believe this is notable enough for the article? [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 23:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ancient posts by Archaic himself?! Gasp.
:You sure that it's not just speculation that she was called Kimi? If she were Kimi, that'd mean that the game May was Kimi, too.
:I'll need an actual official thing that displays her name as Kimi (キミ) though.

:However the most ironic: "Serebii would be more of the spiritual successor to the BMGf than BMGfR." - Archaic.

:How times have changed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Manaphy ==

Help, I made a mess when I tryed to put manaphy on may's page.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Glitchym1}} ([[User talk:Glitchym1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Glitchym1|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

==May's last name==
In the episode ''[[Hi Ho Silver Wind]]'' James reveals during the Team Rocket's motto that Norman's last name is "McCoy". Doesn't this mean that May's and Max's last name is "McCoy"? [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 18:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:Sure that isn't some random gibberish Team Rocket is saying during the motto? [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 20:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::Don't ask me! The lines are more or less this:
Are you normal for real?
Yes! Prepare for trouble, little boy!
And make it double, I'm the real McCoy!

I think this means that Norman's last name in McCoy, but it also may be just ramdom. [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 21:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's... a saying. {{wp|The real McCoy|C'mon, guys}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::1) The dub said it, which by no means makes it official.
::2) As TTE said, it's an expression. May/Max/Norman's last name does not exist, and most likely will never. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 22:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Manaphy (Yet Again) ==
Could we include Manaphy as a befriended pokémon? [[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 19:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:Give us good reason and we can consider considering a consideration of it. At the moment you have given no evidence as to why it should be included. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was just throwing it out there. I'm quite indifferent. [[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 20:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Well without reason nothing will get done. If you're serious, provide some cause. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Befriended Sections ==
First off, why do we even have befriended pokemon sections on almost ''EVERY'' main character's page. The only character who should have a befriended section is Max (He doesn't have any pokemon!!!). If we stop making those sections things would be a lot easier. Please correct me if I am wrong but i don't even think those sections are required. Sure we could mention them in the article but not make in the Pokemon section. (Also it is about time to archive this page) --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 20:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, this page doesn't have one, and hasn't had one for a very long time. The only person who does is Max, for that very reason. I have no idea what you are talking about... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he confused the "Borrowed" section with the "Befriended" section. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry guys. I thought other people still had that. And that's good because only Max should have those. Sorry for my slip-up --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 21:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== 7 Pokemon ==

We all know that Trainer's are only allowed 6 pokemon at a time. She has 7 pokemon listed. In her Diamond and Pearl series appearances all of her pokemon are their except Skitty. Can't we make a Status Unknown subsection about it? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 17:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:Technically, '''all''' of her Pokémon are status {{p|Unown}}. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 18:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::That is true but we know the ''least'' about what's going on with Skitty. Beside's the rest of her Pokemon have been seen recently and we know about what happened off screen in Johto. It would be silly to put "status unknown" on '''''ALL''''' the Pokemon without recent appearances in the anime. When I say "status unknown" I mean we have '''NO''' idea about their evolution status or where they are. We have no idea where skitty is or if it is a Delcatty. We may not know if Wartortle is a Blastoise but we know it is with May. Point is, should Skitty be put into a Status Unknown subsection? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 19:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:::All of her Pokémon were used in the Wallace Cup except for Blaziken and Munchlax. Skitty should not be put in Status unknown because it was more recently. It should be either Blaziken or Munchlax. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Skitty was used in the Wallace Cup? I don't remember seeing her. If this is true than you are right. Of course it seems more likely it would be Munchlax not to be with her. Who knows. For now I guess we should just drop the subject. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 01:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:All her known Pokémon were used.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 02:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Blaziken was never used in the Wallace Cup. I made a mistake with Munchlax. So Blaziken should be put in status unknown. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I still find it strange that Blaziken would be takin off the party (t's her starter [[Jessie's Arbok|however]] this has happened [[James's Weezing|before]]) but ok we can add it to the page. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 02:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Blaziken ''and'' Munchlax weren't used. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 20:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not according to [[DP078]]'s character roster. Anyway, even if it wasn't, it still appeared more recently than Blaziken. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::All her pokemon appeared in the contest. Blaziken did appear in sinnoh but it appeared a couple episodes before. For all we know she could of left it with a professor or at the gym. We have no idea what it's status is. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 21:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

==New Header==

Can't we just make a "Revolving Team" section and have all 7 Pokemon in it? [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 12:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Blazkien Misplacing ==

I dont think its neccasary to put Blazikien in the status unknown spot, as the wallace cup started a day after the events of Full Course Tag Battle. {{unsigned|Rocket Base}}
:We know this:
:# A Trainer may have six Pokémon at a time.
:# May used six Pokémon during the Wallace Cup.
:# Blaziken was not one of the six.
:# We don't know where Blaziken went.
:Therefore, Blaziken's status is unknown. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC).

Yes, but there was only one episode were the animie enforced the rule of having only 6 pokemon at a time. Even if it still does apply, blazikien was probably with birch. {{unsigned|Rocket Base}}
:Could have been in the greenhouse like Skitty. It's unknown. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Template ==

I find it completely pointless to have one when all over her Pokémon have articles of their own... I thought I made it clear that main characters should not have the Pokémon party templates. All this is doing is clogging up the article. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

== Manaphy and May ==

I am relatively new to Bulbapedia and I am wondering why Manaphy isn't under May's Pokemon as something like friend or something. [[User:IamError|IamError]] 11:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Befriended Pokémon doesn't count.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 11:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::That is odd though. Max and Professor Oak have befriended sections as well. Is there a reason they have them and May doesn't? [[User:IamError|IamError]] 11:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

==Litle trivia mistake==
In the instance "May owns the second most Pokémon that have evolved twice since they were obtained, with three, less than only Ash, who has had five"
There is a mistake because It's counting Ash's Butterfree, so Ash hasn't owned five pokemon that evolved twice, he has owned six (Butterfree, Charizard, Sceptile, Staraptor, Infernape and Torterra) [[User:Luord|Luord]] 17:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Luord

== Hairstyle ==

Anyone notice that May's hairstyle looks a lot like Blaziken's look?--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 21:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:May's Munchlax

2010-05-22T14:42:14Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Trivia */ new section

Whenever I go to this page, and this page only, everything gets small, and the Bulbapedia stuff usually on the right goes below the article. Why does this happen? [[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 14:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

: Dunno about you, but the little toolbox thing (<---) gets tinier text, and the "Edit this page" stuff is aligned wrong.. Munchlax might be eating a little too much space. (Oh, horrible horrible jokes.) Also, that signature is just "Distraction galore." [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 16:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

::Actually its all of May's Pokemon's pages. I think that ''May's Pokemon'' template is messing it up! Theryguy512 19:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

== Add To Trivia ==

Maybe we should add to the Trivia that Munchlax is May's only Shinnoh Pokemon so far. --Nidokingdood

:...maybe, but seriously. Is it so hard to spell 'Sinnoh' right? D: [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== May's Appearance in DP076 ==

Well, the preview has aired, and it's been confirmed that May's Munchlax has evolved. Should the article now be May's Snorlax, then? [[User:Mageslayer99|Mageslayer99]] 10:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:It is certainly not confirmed yet. For all we know, that Snorlax could belong to another competitor. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::It's a good thing that one of the admins protected this page. Like Fabu-Vinny said, we don't know if it's May's or not. [[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 23:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::Or Ash. Remember his? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's Ash's, because I don't think he'd swap Pokémon so quickly. [[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 11:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, after seeing the actual preview it isn't clear who's it is. My mistake. >> [[User:Mageslayer99|Mageslayer99]] 13:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== You know... ==

The protection need only be on moving. There's no other way to say that it's evolved...'''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]'''18 Apr 2008

:No, actually, you could still edit it into the article. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 13:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::Oh damn speculation...'''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]'''18 Apr 2008

==Giga Impact==
In the DP076 preview Munchlax used Giga Impact can someone add that when the page is unprotected {{unsigned|Happizelpom}}

: That could be a result of Metromome, you know... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::It is. Munchlax can't even learn Giga Impact because it isn't fully evolved. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::And this is why we wait until the episode airs to add these things. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 07:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I find this funny in light of the fact that just a few days ago, everyone was ''convinced'' that it had evolved into Snorlax. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 07:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::...And that Munchlax wasn't even this one. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::: @Kenji-girl: Apparently Munchlax-Of-The-Day Hates you, because it ''did'' use Giga Impact despite not being fully evolved. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Am I the only one who noticed the snorlax in the episode wasn't the same snorlax from the previews? O.o The preview snorlax had munchlax's color scheme :3 [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::That was fixed in the second preview. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::The munchlax that uses giga impact does not belong to May. Watch the eppy. [[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 13:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::...As I said when the episode aired three days ago. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

==Focus punch==
Munchlax didn't use Focus punch via Metronome before officially learning it. It did the move when May said we need focus, which was after the Metronome turned into a splash attack. Also Munchlax already knew Solar Beam when she caught it. It's Solar Beam attack was used by Skitty via Assist
[[User:Voit|Voit]]
:Indeed.--☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 08:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

It says that Munchlax's capture contradicts the Master ball and Wishcash but after watching both episodes I noticed something. Wishcash swallowed the ball whole but Munchlax chewed on it a little and the ball activated in its mouth. It could be that Wishcash swallowed the Master ball and it became null-void due to the stomach acid while Munchlax accidentally pressed the button with its tongue while trying to chew the ball. I think it should be taken down about the whole contradiction because we don't truly know what was intended for those two moments--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 14:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Hoenn Safari Zone

2010-05-10T17:28:24Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Area 2 */ Just got it in my Ruby version plus have had it in Sapphire

{{Infobox location
|image=HSafari.png
|image_size=290
|type=land
|location_name=Safari Zone
|japanese_name=サファリゾーン
|translated_name=Safari Zone
|location=North of {{rt|121}}
|region=Hoenn
|generation={{gen|III}}
|map=Hoenn_Safari_Zone_Map.gif
}}

The '''Safari Zone''' (Japanese: '''サファリゾーン''' ''Safari Zone'') is a special [[Pokémon]] preserve where {{pkmn|Trainers}} can enter to capture certain types of Pokémon. The entrance is on [[Hoenn]]'s {{rt|121}}.

For {{PDollar}}500, the player will receive thirty Safari Balls. Certain areas can only be accessed with the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}, {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}}, {{m|Surf}}, or {{m|Rock Smash}}. In {{v2|Emerald}}, another area will open up to the east, with a pathway directly north of the entrance once the [[Elite Four]] are defeated.

When a [[wild Pokémon]] appears, no Pokémon may be sent out to battle it: catching Pokémon here, as in all Safari Zones, requires sheer luck. There are four options in the battle screen: Throw a {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Safari Ball}}, throw a [[Pokéblock]], go near, and run away. Throwing Pokéblocks makes a Pokémon less likely to run, but makes it harder to catch; while going near does the reverse, making it easier to catch but more likely to run.

In addition, players may place Pokéblocks on designated stands in order to attract specific Pokémon, similar to the system of slathering honey on trees to entice rare Pokémon in [[Generation IV]].

No {{cat|Generation III Pokémon}} can be caught in this Safari Zone, implying that all Pokémon available for capture have been imported.

==Items==
===Area 2===
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|Max Revive|Requires {{HM|03|Surf}}|RSE}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

===Area 3===
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Grass|Far northeast of the area, beyond the pond|RSE|display={{TM|22|SolarBeam}}}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

===Area 4===
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|Calcium|In the far northwest part of the area|RSE}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

===Area 5===
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Up|Hidden three squares south of the southernmost Pokéblock stand|E}}
{{Itlistbod|Full Restore|Hidden amongst the furthest southwest patch of grass|E}}
{{Itlistbod|Big Pearl|East in a patch of grass beyond the top of the waterfall|E}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

===Area 6===
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|Rare Candy|In the southeast portion of the area there is a 2×3 patch of light green grass, where it is hidden in the lower right portion of it|E}}
{{Itlistbod|Zinc|Hidden in a small nook among the wall in the rocky path to the north|E}}
{{Itlistbod|Nugget|Between two ledges at the end of the rocky path to the west|E}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==
{{Catchableheader}}
{{Catchbar|Area 1}}
{{Catchentry3|043|Oddish|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25-29|40%}}
{{Catchentry3|203|Girafarig|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25-27|20%}}
{{Catchentry3|084|Doduo|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|177|Natu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25-27|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|044|Gloom|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|5%}}
{{Catchbar|Area 2}}
{{Catchentry3|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|043|Oddish|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25-27|40%}}
{{Catchentry3|044|Gloom|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|084|Doduo|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|177|Natu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|25|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|203|Girafarig|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27|20%}}
{{Catchtime|SurfFish}}
{{Catchentry3|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|yes|Surfing|23-29|100%}}
{{Catchentry3|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|[[Super Rod]]|27-35|80%}}
{{Catchentry3|119|Seaking|yes|yes|yes|[[Super Rod]]||20%}}
{{Catchbar|Area 3}}
{{Catchentry3|043|Oddish|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|044|Gloom|yes|yes|yes|Grass|29-31|15%}}
{{Catchentry3|084|Doduo|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|15%}}
{{Catchentry3|085|Dodrio|yes|yes|yes|Grass|29-31|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|111|Rhyhorn|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|127|Pinsir|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|5%}}
{{Catchtime|SurfFish}}
{{Catchentry3|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|yes|Surfing|20-30|95%}}
{{Catchentry3|055|Golduck|yes|yes|yes|Surfing||5%}}
{{Catchentry3|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|[[Super Rod]]|29-35|80%}}
{{Catchentry3|119|Seaking|yes|yes|yes|[[Super Rod]]|33|20%}}
{{Catchbar|Area 4}}
{{Catchentry3|043|Oddish|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|044|Gloom|yes|yes|yes|Grass|29-31|15%}}
{{Catchentry3|177|Natu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|15%}}
{{Catchentry3|178|Xatu|yes|yes|yes|Grass|29-31|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|214|Heracross|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27, 29|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|231|Phanpy|yes|yes|yes|Grass|27-29|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|074|Geodude|yes|yes|yes|{{m|Rock Smash}}|14|100%}}
{{Catchbar|Area 5}}
{{Catchentry3|179|Mareep|no|no|yes|Grass|34-36|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|191|Sunkern|no|no|yes|Grass|33-35|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|167|Spinarak|no|no|yes|Grass|33|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|190|Aipom|no|no|yes|Grass|34|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Grass|35|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|207|Gligar|no|no|yes|Grass|37-40|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|209|Snubbull|no|no|yes|Grass|34|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|234|Stantler|no|no|yes|Grass|36|5%}}
{{Catchtime|SurfFish}}
{{Catchentry3|183|Marill|no|no|yes|Surfing|35|39%}}
{{Catchentry3|194|Wooper|no|no|yes|Surfing|27-29|60%}}
{{Catchentry3|195|Quagsire|no|no|yes|Surfing|35-40|1%}}
{{Catchentry3|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|[[Old Rod]]|26-27|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|129|Magikarp|no|no|yes|[[Old Rod]]|25-29|70%}}
{{Catchentry3|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|[[Good Rod]]|25-30|20%}}
{{Catchentry3|129|Magikarp|no|no|yes|[[Good Rod]]|26-30|60%}}
{{Catchentry3|223|Remoraid|no|no|yes|[[Good Rod]]|30-35|20%}}
{{Catchentry3|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|[[Super Rod]]|25-30|40%}}
{{Catchentry3|223|Remoraid|no|no|yes|[[Super Rod]]|25-34|59%}}
{{Catchentry3|224|Octillery|no|no|yes|[[Super Rod]]|35-40|1%}}
{{Catchbar|Area 6}}
{{Catchentry3|190|Aipom|no|no|yes|Grass|33-35|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|216|Teddiursa|no|no|yes|Grass|34-36|30%}}
{{Catchentry3|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Grass|35|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|165|Ledyba|no|no|yes|Grass|33|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|191|Sunkern|no|no|yes|Grass|34|10%}}
{{Catchentry3|204|Pineco|no|no|yes|Grass|34|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|228|Houndour|no|no|yes|Grass|36-39|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|241|Miltank|no|no|yes|Grass|37-40|5%}}
{{Catchentry3|213|Shuckle|no|no|yes|{{m|Rock Smash}}|20-40|100%}}
{{Catchablefooter}}

[[File:HSafari RS.png|left|thumb|200px|Safari Zone in Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, and pre-National Pokédex Emerald]]
[[Image:HSafariNumbered.png|thumb|200px]] 
*Area 1 houses the entrance.
*Area 2 is directly west of Area 1.
*Area 3 is directly north of Area 2. The [[Mach Bike]] is needed to get there.
*Area 4 is directly north of Area 1. The [[Acro Bike]] is needed to get there.
*Area 5 is directly east of Area 1. It is only accessible after defeating the [[Elite Four]] in {{v2|Emerald}}.
*Area 6 is directly north of Area 5. It is only accessible after defeating the [[Elite Four]] in {{v2|Emerald}}.

{{Hoenn}}
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Parks]]
[[Category:Hoenn locations]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire locations]]
[[Category:Emerald locations]]
[[Category:Safari Zones]]

[[pt:Safari Zone]]

[[de:Safari-Zone (Hoenn)]]
[[fr:Parc Safari (Hoenn)]]
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Hoenn Safari Zone

2010-05-10T17:24:22Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Area 2 */ Just got it in my Ruby version

{{Infobox location
|image=HSafari.png
|image_size=290
|type=land
|location_name=Safari Zone
|japanese_name=サファリゾーン
|translated_name=Safari Zone
|location=North of {{rt|121}}
|region=Hoenn
|generation={{gen|III}}
|map=Hoenn_Safari_Zone_Map.gif
}}

The '''Safari Zone''' (Japanese: '''サファリゾーン''' ''Safari Zone'') is a special [[Pokémon]] preserve where {{pkmn|Trainers}} can enter to capture certain types of Pokémon. The entrance is on [[Hoenn]]'s {{rt|121}}.

For {{PDollar}}500, the player will receive thirty Safari Balls. Certain areas can only be accessed with the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}, {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}}, {{m|Surf}}, or {{m|Rock Smash}}. In {{v2|Emerald}}, another area will open up to the east, with a pathway directly north of the entrance once the [[Elite Four]] are defeated.

When a [[wild Pokémon]] appears, no Pokémon may be sent out to battle it: catching Pokémon here, as in all Safari Zones, requires sheer luck. There are four options in the battle screen: Throw a {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Safari Ball}}, throw a [[Pokéblock]], go near, and run away. Throwing Pokéblocks makes a Pokémon less likely to run, but makes it harder to catch; while going near does the reverse, making it easier to catch but more likely to run.

In addition, players may place Pokéblocks on designated stands in order to attract specific Pokémon, similar to the system of slathering honey on trees to entice rare Pokémon in [[Generation IV]].

No {{cat|Generation III Pokémon}} can be caught in this Safari Zone, implying that all Pokémon available for capture have been imported.

==Items==
===Area 2===
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|Max Revive|Requires {{HM|03|Surf}}|RE}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

===Area 3===
{{Itlisth}}
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*Area 2 is directly west of Area 1.
*Area 3 is directly north of Area 2. The [[Mach Bike]] is needed to get there.
*Area 4 is directly north of Area 1. The [[Acro Bike]] is needed to get there.
*Area 5 is directly east of Area 1. It is only accessible after defeating the [[Elite Four]] in {{v2|Emerald}}.
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Talk:Ash's Pikachu/Archive 2

2010-05-07T16:16:30Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Ability */

==Archives==

*[[Talk:Ash's Pikachu/Archive 1|Archive 1]]

==Ability==
Pikachu's ability isn't unknown! Remember in the episode when Ash's Pikachu's static (um... not exactly paralyze) Roark's Rampardos! --[[User:Metagross72|Metagross72]] 05:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:...why are we even ''thinking'' about abilities in the anime? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 05:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I agree, I think Pokemon could potentially have both abilities available to their species or even none at all. It doesn't follow the games that closely, so there's no way we can confirm that that is the case. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 22:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::: {{p|Pikachu}} only has one ability. --[[User:Metagross72|Metagross72]] 02:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime. It can also Combine with Swellow to turn into a flying bird of electricity.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::::I know this is a late reply but thought it should be stated. It is highly possible that Pikachu also has Volt Absorb or what ever its called. In the battle against Roxanne's Nosepass it absorbed the Zap Cannon and regained strength which in the anime is the same as health. I agree with those above stating that abilities are different in the anime world. After all things can be done differently in the anime then in the games.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 16:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Counterparts ==

We could have a section for counterparts to Ash's Pikachu, for example, Sparky, Silver's Chikorita, Aoi's Shinx. I'm pretty sure there are more, and I think this might be worth including on this page. Just a thought! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 22:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, not in Pikachu's article. There are '''WAY''' too many in my opinion. That's basically almost every Pokémon that a trainer started w/ in the anime. Good thought, though. --'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Not big things ==

Hi guys! I have 2 thigs to say!
1. I don't understand the last trivia fact about Pikachu being ash's only pokemon... etc, could somebody explain this to me? maybe it's a error and should be erased.
2. We all know that [[Ash's Pikachu]] has never been on its poke ball not even once, well only in ''that'' movie, but my point is that would Ash's still have that poke ball? You know, when he goes to a pokemon center we don't see that unique thunder poke ball of pikachu (because he is always outside of it), so I don't know, why carrying it around if he doesn't use it? if you think this last thing is stupid well then don't pay attention to it. =)[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh man! i just finished checking the page and saw the that poke ball and there it says that ''ash carries it around all the time'' just like it had posted this haha mmm so nevermind![[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Doesn't he look cute? ==

Um,excuse me,but her exact line was "You look so cute",in the english version. Is that line from another languages version? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 18:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

*sigh* I know exactly what you mean, Rose. In my opinion, we shouldn't be caring anymore.

I'm afraid to say that this gender debate is just... pathetic. It's kind of sad the way this debate has gone on as long as this, as if its an important election. I really need an explanation as to why the large amount of male evidence isn't enough to confirm the gender of a CARTOON mouse. Why do we need someone to tell us? Aipom puts on a dress, and its a female. Pikachu puts on a kimono... OH NO! That doesn't mean its male! Pikachu puts on a maid outfit and looks embarrassed. NOPE! Not yet." Jeez.

The female evidence is absolutely terrible. Buneary not knowing Pikachu's gender? Pokémon can regonise the gender of other Pokémon, as can animals. For example, Pokémon know that they have to be with a mate of the opposite gender to breed, otherwise they will refuse. Therefore if Buneary is female and it wants to mate, then Pikachu being female would be disturbing. And the idea of Misty featuring Pikachu in dresses... it's a joke in Misty's girlish mind. Does this suddenly mean it's female? I bet even if we saw a female Pikachu in the anime with a heart-shaped tail, this website would still stubbornly say "Pikachu's from Kanto. Gender differences don't apply". And does Pikachu have to be a girl to rival with Bayleef? Is that a scientific fact? No.

I really, really wish they would just confirm the gender as male. Because it is. I know I shouldn't be posting about this because its considered an "offence" to vote, but it would be really good if a regular would just say "Ok, everyone. Ash's Pikachu is male. Thank you". Almost everyone else considers this. Yeah. [[User:Dusknoir477]] 11:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

: >> I think Pikachu is female..But,anyway,can I delete that line from the article,it's incorrect,see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZkdgsgzP8&feature=related. I tried deleting it before,but it looks like it's back up [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I watched it, you're absolutely right, May doesn't refer to it as a male. But that doesn't mean it isn't... I don't think I'll ever be convinced that Pikachu is a girl, because I've always known it to be male. I'm sure lots of people considered that, and therefore, that's one of the big reasons why I think its male; because so many fans picked up vibes that it Pika was a boy, it must be so. Also, I've got lots of Pokémon books from my childhood; all of them say that Pikachu is a boy in them. One was a novel of the first film that I bought for my younger brother, which says this so explicitly its as if the book is trying to side with me. Creepy.

I still can't think of any good reason why it would be female. I can counter all of the female evidence on Pikachu's article.

1. Although its true that Pikachu is from Kanto where all Pikachu of both genders have "male" tails, now that gender differences have been introduced, we can forgot about that now. The world of Pokémon is always changing and contnuity is always corrupted, and regarding certain things like this is the only way to fix it. And no, its tail would not have changed into a heart if it was female. Jeez, if only gender differences were made ages ago, we wouldn't have this problem!

2. Misty picturing Pikachu in dresses. Well, firstly, Misty is a girl. Secondly, Misty likes Pikachu, and would want to picture Pikachu as a girl. Thirdly, Misty's visions were her point of view and not part of the continuity. Basically, almost nothing can be drawn from this evidence. In that Miltank episode, Pikachu felt uncomfortable dressed as a maid, so therefore, from Pikachu's point of view, it doesn't like dresses, meaning that it most likely isn't a girl.

3. Buneary not knowing Pikachu's gender is the dumbest piece of evidence that I have ever, ever heard. Come on, really. I would like to take a little moment to explain real game "love" physics. :P Say that there is a large group of male Mamoswine and a larg group of female Mamoswine in a blizzard. The members in both groups would like to start families with each other, but they can't because in each group, each member is the same gender. So they don't mate. Then, both groups see each other and form a larger group of both genders. Now, they can mate and can start breeding, because there are both males and females, meaning plenty of Swinub eggs will be laid.

So, one must come to the basic conclusion that, if a female Buneary is perfectly capable to fall and love and breed with a male Buneary in the games, but not with another female, then Dawn's Buneary successfully feeling obliged to mate with Pikachu means that Pikachu is the opposite gender of her: Male. Either that, or Buneary is male, which is definitely not true, as Buneary has worn dresses like a girl and even went into a girls fashion competition. Therefore, Buneary is female and Pikachu is male. It's obvious! Remember... The Pokémon series is based on the games! (although, then again, some things that happened in the anime aren't possible in the games, like the electric-harming-ground thing, but we are talking about common sense here; a female would tell the difference between a male and female).

4. Pikachu has gained quite a few rivals throughout the series, the most notable being Chikorita/Bayleef, who was confirmed to be female. I do not know why it would be considered female just because of this. Both genders can rival with one another. Whilst there is no evidence to say that I am wrong, there isn't evidence to say that I am right about this point, so this would be discarded in my book.

5. One that got deleted a while ago was the point that Pikachu showed interest in feminine items such as perfume. I can counter it. I think the reason why it was fascinated was because it was simply curious of the human world. Remember, Pikachu, before being captured by Prof Oak, was a wild animal. It would be fascinated by human things and would wander about eyeing the merchandise on sale, whether it was aimed at men or women. You know... it may look at a bottle of perfume, then look at a digital watch, then a necklace, then a chemisty set. This really doesn't explain anything about genders then, does it?

There you go. In my opinion, you can't very much counter the male evidence, especially ones like Pikachu being referred to as Ash's brother (a very good point).

I guess we'll just have to face the facts. Pikachu's gender will probably never be fully confirmed. Everyone's just too stubborn to do so. It's like in the Simpsons where Springfield's state won't be revealed. It's getting very, very late now, and as episodes go on, Pikachu remain a seemingly-genderless creature. But it isn't. It's male. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Dusknoir477}} ([[User talk:Dusknoir477|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dusknoir477|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Just a friendly reminder of the giant red letters at the top of this page. Next person who posts about this gets a short block. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Should The . . . ==

. . . Gender Debate really be on this page? It just seems like a bunch of unencyclopedic speculation. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 02:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Possibly incorrect information on Gender Debate? ==
I realize this is pretty trivial, but on the section of Pikachu's Gender Debate, one of pieces of information supporting Pikachu's gender being male states something around the lines of Pikachu from Kanto have not been shown to have indentations on their tails, but in Pikachu's Goodbye (EP039) multiple wild Pikachu that appear in that episode have indentations on their tails. So should I edited that piece of information to be correct, or is it too trivial to matter?{{unsigned|Spoon-Fork}}
:No they didn't--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
::Those dents were merley wounds from possibly being attacked by other Pokémon. Saying that they are gender differences is pure speculation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Umm, saying that they are wounds is also pure speculation, as well, so technically, you shouldn't even say that on here. Besides, are they actually wounds? I'm pretty sure wounds would not be on the exact same spot on all those Pikachu's tails. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys, would you mind going and watching [[EP005|Showdown at Pewter City]]? Brock excplicitly calls him a he. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 09:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Double edge???? ==

I think Pikachu can't do double edge.
May i have some proofs please.
--♫♪[[User talk:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']]♪♫ 15:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:Well, there are points pointing both ways. Supporting the fact that Ash's Pikachu might know {{m|Double-Edge}} is because it can learn the move through [[TM10]] in [[Generation I]] (and later through a move tutor in [[Generation III]]). Supporting the fact that it might not know Double-Edge is because it was the stadium announcer who mentioned it in [[EP079|''Friend and Foe Alike'']], increasing the chance that it could have been a dub mistranslation where it was originally a different move in the Japanese version.

:My [[$1|2¢]]: While it's possible that Pikachu using Double-Edge might have been a mistranslation, if it isn't a mistranslation, odds are it's not an error of any sort. The episode in question is a Generation I-era episode, and Pikachu most definitely had a legal avenue for learning Double-Edge in that generation. Conclusion: Could somebody double-check the Japanese version of the episode? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Today i watched [[EP079|Friend and Foe Alike]] & it was true that pikachu used Double-Edge in this episode.
--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 15:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Male in Japan As Well! ==

Have any of you dared to watch Electric Soldier Porygon? ([[EP038]]) If so, then if you watched the one with subtitles on YouTube, you would have heard Nurse Joy call him a he. And that was in Japan! As for other countries, Pikachu is called a he in Showdown at Pewter City (EP005). I am changing it from Male (confirmed in dub only) to Male. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 16:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

:Your operative word is "subtitles". Those subtitles are not official. Ergo, they cannot be used as evidence. Your edits concerning the matter will be undone.

:In fact, the chances of us ever getting official subtitles for that episode vanished thanks to over 700 seizures. Even if the rest of the series were to get an uncut subtitled release one of these days, [[EP038]] would not be included due to being locked down by the Japanese government. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
That's not evidence at all, but I am almost certain Pikachu has been referred to as male in the Japanese version. I recall Meowth using the word "otoko" in reference to him in one of the Lt. Surge episodes, for example. I don't exactly watch the anime (hardly ever), so I can't really give any other example. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 06:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

=== On a different tangent: ===
[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=1044357&postcount=62]
Since Piplup is confirmed male as of [[DP137]], this either means Piplup goes both ways or we just confirmed Pikachu's gender. - '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'''- 03:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Belong? ==

Does the gender debate really belong on this article? It's mostly speculation based on stuff in the anime. I believe it should be on the forums or in a separate namespace. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 23:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's about Ash's Pikachu and is a valid part of the fandom. No touchy.... except to make it better because its a serious piece of crap right now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::Fandom. Not encyclopedic knowledge. It seems like a topic for the forums, not a mainspace article. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I deleted the hints and rewrote the paragraph. Are we happy now? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::::You could put them on a forum discussing the topic. It's kinda annoying to come to this talk page and see fifty pages worth of debate over the topic when that kind of stuff belongs on the forum. {{unsigned|Galladeon}}
:::::I'm not putting them anywhere. If people want to discuss they can do it themselves. And of course, we all know that this kind of fancruft belongs in the forums. There's a big message at the top of the page essentially telling you to {{tt|STFU|but in nicer words, because we are nice people}}. Now please, stop talking. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Now this is real proof...unlike how someone said that Pikachu was a girl because it liked the perfume. Don't girls put on perfume that the guys like?--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Let me ask something real quick, and hopefully this'll help end the gender debate once and for all. (Either that, or make it worse...) According to [[Dawn's Buneary]], that particular Buneary is confirmed female. By the game mechanics and what we've seen on the Anime, Pokémon don't have homosexual tendencies. Therefore, isn't Buneary's HUGE crush on Ash's Pikachu evidence enough that Pikachu is a male? Or is Buneary's gender not really confirmed? [[User:Gear-Richie|Gear-Richie]] 23:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:That's not new, it's been brought up hundreds of times before. At least you're trying to help though. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:Well then, for my personal enrichment, perhaps, what refutation was used to discard this line of reasoning? [[User:Gear-Richie|Gear-Richie]] 17:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== "However, Pikachu is the only Electric-type Pokémon owned by a main character which can evolve." ==

Is this even necessary. I understand that for a long time Pikachu has been the only electric type pokemon owned by a main character. Then pachirusu came and someone added this. What the heck!!! Is this just trying to make pikachu seem more unique. I honestly don't think this is necesarry trivia. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 16:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it is technically true, even though Pikachu's never going to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::I know it's true and I know it's not going to evolve but I don't think it is necessary trivia. Sould we take it out? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 21:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I have to agree with Landfish7. I was just reading the trivia and I came across it and it was like, {{tt|"what the heck?"|is is seriously necessary?}}.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== "By accident"? ==

Couldn't Pikachu have been born with volt tackle,but not know it,until it "learned" it in that episode? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's unlikely. Considering the way Aipom learned Double Hit. It was "improvised" where it's attack would look like it was split into two (like Double Team) and that turned out to be Double Hit. Pikachu's Quick attack + Electricty = Volt Tackle. It's most likey [[anime physics]]. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::Even more likely is the fact that anime=/=games. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 22:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu's Past ==

*What was Pikachu's original life like before Oak's Lab in Pallet Town? --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 14:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

:That might take a special in its own right to explore. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu's Language ==

In [[DP134]] while Ash, Brock and Konoha are searching for Dawn, Pikachu says, "PikaPika". Would this be considered PikachuLanguage for Dawn? Also Piplup (in Japanese) says, "Pochacha", which may be that Piplup's speech has some consistency as well.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:"PikaPika" is a standard in Pikachu's language. It uses it for a lot of things. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:However... I believe I heard Pikachu give out a different name for Dawn in one of the most recent episode. It sounded much different from his normal speech. Ugh... I can't remember... It was like "Pikaka" or "Pikachu-ka" or something... Can someone who has DP143 and DP144 rewatch them? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, i will try to rewatch the episode. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 04:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

In [[DP134]] it did sound like Pikachu said "Pikaka" for Dawn--[[User:Ashanddawn4evr|Ashanddawn4evr]] 22:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pikachu-Poké Ball! ==

I made a sprite for the pikachu Poké Ball. It is really rubbish, but I thought maybe we could use it instead of the normal Poké Ball, at least until someone uploads a better one. Here it is[[File:POKBAL~2.png|The PokéBall|right|thumb|2500px]] [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 13:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Given that it only appeared once, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::I think it shouldn't be used. He used regular Poké Balls after to recall it according the caption in the article. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 16:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::He also uses regular Poké Balls for his Tauros, and we still have a Safari Ball sprite on that page. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::::True. In the case that this is used, we need a better sprite. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Ketchup? ==

I'm new so excuse me if I am wrong but shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere about his love of ketchup?[[User:Mudkipzrule|Mudkipz Rule]] 19:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Phobia of being photographed. ==

It says in the episode Todd Snap appears that Pikachu is afraid of having its picture taken.[[User:Mudkipzrule|Mudkipz Rule]] 21:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Aura

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Okay... so, someone who's read Special, is {{special|Yellow}}'s ability Aura-like? And if so, should she, [[Rui]], {{Ash}}, and any others with the aura ability be plopped into one category? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yellow's powers could just as easily be Psychic abilities. Considering that when it was written, that was the only special powers humans could have in Pokemon, that's probably what they were intended to be viewed as. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 18:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm... Well, what of Rui in Colosseum? Aura may not have officially debuted until late Gen III, but ehh... And wasn't Yellow in the FRLG arc of Special, too? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:: I say we just handle it the way Bulbapedia handles everything: Don't add it unless we ''know'' [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 19:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we ''do'' know, since in Colo/XD they're all like "I CAN SEE ITS AURA" and "AURA READER" and stuff, plus, Colo/XD's Shadow Pokémon are mentioned here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: That's fair enough for Rui. Was Yellow's ability ever reffered to as Aura, though? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Didn't Sabrina imply that Aura and Psychic abilities are the same thing, though? I mean, she did mention something along the lines of Psychic powers making up all forms of life, and yet only a select few lifeforms are aware that they have it in the first gen and definitely their remakes (which was what Aura was described as in a nutshell.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Maybe. You can be telekenetic without looking like a refugee from Dragonball, though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Ok, I added in the Sabrina reference to the article if that's ok. I also wanted to ask something. Cassius, exactly what did you mean by "You can be a telekinetic without looking like a refugee from dragonball"? I mean, I know the Dragonball. It just didn't make any sense as to what you said, that's all. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

== Qi ==

More likely a reference to Chi than Star Wars. Someone shift the emphasis, please. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:If you come up with a good enough case for qi, I'll put it on the page.Otherwise, the star wars is right[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
::Considering the way Dragon Ball Z represented qi (or ki as it's called there) and how it can be used as a visible projectile and literally makes characters glow with an aura, I would say that my case is made. Also, the "aura is with me" phrase might not appear the same way in the Japanese version, while the comparisons with Dragon Ball Z would be near impossible to dismiss as a possible localization.
::The Force does not get stronger as a battle goes on. The Force isn't a life force, since [[wikipedia:Yuuzhan Vong]] are alive and are not connected to the Force.
::Really, "Ash's status as the lone person who can control aura is similar to that of Luke Skywalker during the original trilogy" is pushing it. Hard. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 02:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Dragon Ball Z is perhaps the best way to compare Hadou/Aura (波導) and Ki (気, which in Chinese is pronounced qi and in Japan as ki). If you look at DBZ, most attacks in the series use Ki, a person's fighting spirit/inner strength, whereas certain special attacks use something different, such as the Spirit Bomb which uses spirit/life energy, and seems to be analogous to the use of Hadou/Aura which appears to be how the Pokémon World refers to life energy (you could say that Goku's Spirit Bomb is pretty much a super huge Aura Sphere). But, if you use up your fighting spirit, you become exhausted, but use up all of your life energy, and you're dead, such was the case with Sir Aaron and later his Lucario. So attacks such as Focus Blast (Kiai dame, most likely meaning inner-strength reservoir) and Focus Punch (Kiai Punch, inner-strength punch) use ki, whereas Aura Sphere (hadou dan, wave-guiding mass) uses hadou/aura, life energy. Though the use of Aura sphere seems to use the aura gathered from around the user (hence being referred to wave-''guiding''), which explains why continual use doesn't kill the user. Perhaps even the whole system of PP is based on ki, the fighting energy, which would explain why Focus Blast which uses one's own ki directly outside the body is so powerful but only has a base of 5 PP, but Focus Punch, which keeps the energy in the body (one's fist) has so much more. That both Focus attacks use Ki directly and that they are fighting-type moves gives credence that they are based on the Martial Art's use of kiai and explains their Japanese names. The fact is: Hadou/Aura is not the same as Ki/Qi, but it's not unrelated either. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It probably is based on energy sources such as Qi and Chakra but the Star Wars influence is clear from the repeated use of "The Aura is with me". I don't think Ash being the last one is pushing it either - the whole premise of the Aura Guardians is basically a fantasy version of the Jedi. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, I pretty much broke my unspoken rule about never participating in talk page discussions, but I feel I'm enough of a Star Wars geek to merit that. I'd like to point out several things. First of all, the sentence comparing Ash with Luke Skywalker is misleading and inaccurate. Luke was NOT the only one in the original trilogy who could use the Force. (Darth Vader, anyone? Not to mention Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, and <s>Leia.</s>) Now if it turned out that Cyrus could control aura and then he revealed himself as Ash's father...then yeah, the comparison between the two would gain much more credibility. Furthermore, to me it seems like aura is more related to ki/chakra in both form and function than to the Force. Also, note the background of the people who created the aura concept. While I'm not saying that they've never heard of Star Wars, given the creators' propensity for references to Eastern culture, it's definitely not a stretch at all to say they based aura off of the Eastern idea of ki, while it is somewhat further of a stretch to assume that they at least initially based it off of the Force. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Inspiration section of the article seems like it was written on the assumption that the creators/writers got their main inspiration from a movie and then as a secondary source used a traditional concept from their culture of origin. (In fact, I'm pretty sure Lucas himself based aspects of the Force off of ki.) I feel like it should be re-written with heavier emphasis on ki and a small blurb at the end about the Force (because in light of things such as the Aura Guardians and "the aura is with me", it's entirely possible that they did at least have some influence from SW). Also, is "the aura is with me" a dub phrase, or is it directly translated from the original? If it's not the original phrasing, I suggest someone do some digging and find the original Japanese, because it's entirely possible that the dub writers decided to consciously use a phrase similar to the classic SW phrase, as it would definitely not be the first time they've work in popular culture references. I'm sorry this was so long; free cookies for whoever read this far. If nobody objects, I'll go ahead and change it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Has anyone ever considered that maybe, just maybe, Lucas didn't invent the force himself, and that there might be the possibility that Lucas and Pokemon based their idea of a similar concept coincidentally off of a shared idea? For reference, Lucas admitted to basing his concept of "the Force" off of this short film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21-87 . With that in mind, I really don't see how hard it is for someone to dig into 21-87's history and figure out where the original concept here was based off of, especially considering that "the force" is referred to as God or a god in the film. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 06:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

==Water Pulse==
Water Pulse doesn't use Aura.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 13:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, thats true. Why then, when Ash is battling Maylene, does Buizel learn water pulse by copying lucario? On top of that, they look the same. Have nintendo gane mad? In the games water pulse and aura sphere look soooooo different. It's madness. I'll put a copy of this on the episode discussion page. Please reply :) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 13:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I personally think that the energy used for water pulse is diferent than the energy of aura sphere, but maybe the way the energy is being used is similair and that's why the moves look similair.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 14:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe Water Pulse originated as an aura move, but sorta changed into a non-aura move through time. This would back up my theory of move evolution. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 14:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes' that could be it too.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 14:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

For my definition of move evolution, see it at [[User:SpecialK]] and click move evolution. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 15:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:I have no idea what this conversation is trying to prove, but I thought I'd point out that the Japanese name for "Water Pulse" is "Mizu no Hadou" - "hadou" being the Japanese term for "Aura." [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 15:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

That proves my theory even more... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 15:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Can someone reply. Oh, and how do you change your signiture? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 15:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:Even if you can't use the forums, don't bring chat onto Bulbapedia please. Any relation between Water Pulse and Aura Sphere remains speculation, which Bulbapedia endeavors to leave out of its articles. (Signature changing can be done [[Special:Preferences|here]]; if you have any issues about that do not use this talk page.) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==
Actually, the aura at the beginning of PMD2 is merely the "fave color" you have on your ds. for example, start the game over and over, each time changing the test but getting the same nature and pokemon. trust me, the aura will be the same as your fave color.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:sk8torchic|sk8torchic]] ([[User talk:sk8torchic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/sk8torchic|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:No it's not. On my Ds it was Light Blue but then I got Orange, Lime, Red, Light BLue, Orange, And Orange. My brother got his color though. [[User:AuraGuardian0226|AuraGuardian0226]] 16:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:: I got my favorite color (bright pink), but that is probably because of the quiz, although it is strange you kept the same color changing the answers.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Aura useage before debut? ==

Should it be said that Ash has used Aura even before it was offically named? In the episode "Hatch me if you can" Ash somehow shares the same nightmare as Larvitar and from what I have read about Aura that is one of the abilities: To sense the emotions and such of Pokemon.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 13:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:That's because Unown [[EP263|teleported them to a different dimension]] and showed them its past. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:No it isn't. The Unown thing happened a few episodes later.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 16:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Fighting (type)

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Its resistance to Dark is impossibly useful in dealing with Ttars that decide to use Crunch, and the ilk.

Can we remove the opinion from all of thsoe segments? They don't really state too much competitive truth, sometimes...[[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 06:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Question==

Generic question regarding the organization of all the type pages. Is there an appreciable difference between dual-types with a type (Fighting) as Type 2 or Fighting as Type 1? For example, Medicham is listed as a Fighting/Psychic type while Gallade is a Psychic/Fighting type. Beyond the order in which their types are listed in their summaries, is there a difference? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's half-Fighting and half-(other type) no matter what order it's in, so it doesn't really matter. Personally, the only way it would matter is with a Pokémon like Gallade (Psychic-Fighting) or Breloom (Grass-Fighting), since their other eveloutions are only a single type. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Most of the time the Pokémon would have stats, moves, appearence, and abilities that match their primary type more than their secondary type. Here's an example: Gallade/Medicham. Gallade can have more Psychic moves than Fighting moves and vice-versa with Medicham. Saybleye/Spiritomb: Spiritomb looks '''way''' more like a ghost than Saybleye. '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 22:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

==Edited==

I'm sorry, but who wrote that Fighting is weak defensively? That's very untrue, and whoever wrote it clearly has very little knowledge of the game. I edited this out. [[User:Lulz|Lulz]] 16:33, 26 June 2008 (EST)
:Yea, you could have just put it in your edit summary... [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 20:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
::He/she wrote that because Dark and Rock can't affect it, and Psychic and Flying are uncommon. Actually, as a player progresses into the late stages of a game, many Psychic and Flying Pokémon appear. So, there's no problem editing it. [[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 02:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

That bug and fighting are one of two pairs that effect each other in the same way should be specified. Lots of pairings of types have normal damage both ways.. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Error ==

It says Triple Kick is a Beauty contest move but the page for Triple Kick says its a Cool move. This needs to be fixed up.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 10:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Winstrate family

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Does anyone know the Japanese names for the Winstrate/Kachinuki family? While the page here lists the family's original Japanese name, the members of the family fail to appear listed with their Japanese names (while other language names appear). Is it that they have "English" names in the Japanese version as well? If so, some note should be made of it. If not, the Japanese names should be listed as well. I don't know what the names are, but if anyone does, they should list the names here. ~Kumori Satosuke

Please, use me! [[List of characters in other languages]] :-)
[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 16:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Disambig ==

could anyone redirect Victor? There is the COTD annd the member of winstrate family. [[Image:Ani254MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|Jmath]][[User talk:Jmath|Talk]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:Done. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]20:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

==Different Tables==
Vito should get two tables for his Pokémon because he has completely different teams for Ruby/Sapphire and in Emerald. {{unsigned|Pyles}}

==Vito's Trainer Class==

On my emerald he is Winstrate Vito, and on my sapphire he's CoolTrainer Vito, someone should add he's the only trainer with two trainer classes. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:What? You must be mistaken. On my Emerald he's Cooltrainer Vito. Checked the in-game data. And even if he did change the Trainer Classes, he wouldn't be the first one to do it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::Whoops. Wrong way round. Emerald made him cooltrainer, sapphire made him winsrate... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Nope. Also checked. You must be mistaken. Human's eyes sometimes see what they want to see, not what it really is. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia error? ==

It says in the trivia section "Vivi is depicted as a Lass in the games, putting her age somewhere in the teens, but in the anime, she is depicted as a child." but this could be wrong. Originally Lass trainer class was depicted as a child. Also if you look at how most girls are showing with Pokemon the Lass sprite from R/S/E could just be done like May was in the anime: 10 years old but much more developed in the chest. Any thoughts on this idea? P.S: This is not a perverted post. I'm only pointing out that sometimes in the Pokemon universe the artists give the girls more grown up features despite their ages.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 09:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Mount Coronet

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Since [[Spear Pillar]] and the [[Hall of Origin]] are part of Mt. Coronet, shouldn't they just be described on this page? - [[User:Pacaman|Pacaman]] 07:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:That's like saying that [[Mt. Pyre]] is part of {{rt|122}}, though, in my eyes. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, it's more like saying the interior floors, the exterior area, and the summit of Mt. Pyre are part of Mt. Pyre. They are all part of the same mountain, so they are listed in the same article. Since Spear Pillar is the top Mt. Coronet and the only way to get to it is through Mt. Coronet, I think Spear Pillar should definately be included in this article. I guess I'm not as strong on including Hall of Origin, but I still think including the hall makes sense. -- [[User:Pacaman|Pacaman]] 18:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::By the same logic, shouldn't we just put everything in Sinnoh in its article? If there is enough to Spear Pillar to warrant a seperate page then it only needs a linked mention here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah. I honestly should have used [[Viridian Forest]] and {{rt|2}} as my examples instead. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it doesn't have enough unique information to warrant it's own page. It's basically just another floor of Mt. Coronet. The summit of Mt. Pyre doesn't have a seperate article. Shoal Cave's "ice room" doesn't have its own article. Mt. Moon's basement doesn't have its own article. The room where Red is in Mt. Silver doesn't have a seperate article. Spear Pillar shouldn't either. - [[User:Pacaman|Pacaman]] 17:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
But the summit of Mt. Pyre is still known as Mt. Pyre. Shoal Cave's ice room is still known as Shoal Cave. Mt. Moon's basement is still known as Mt. Moon. Red's area is still known as Mt. Silver. Pokémon caught/hatched there have that as their caught area. However, if you hatch or catch a Pokémon at Mt. Coronet, it says it was caught there, while at Spear Pillar it says it was caught at Spear Pillar, and at the Hall of Origin it says it was caught at the Hall of Origin. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, when I see it that way, I guess you're right. - [[User:Pacaman|Pacaman]] 17:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Is it just me or is this article brutally out of date? Does anybody know enough about Mt Coronet to be able to at least update it with Platinum Pokemon?--[[User:Heyyopat|Heyyopat]] 01:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

==Updating==

Are there some Pokemon available for capture in Mt. Coronet that aren't mentioned on the page? I was looking at Dratini's page, and it said it could be captured in Mt. Coronet, but where is not specified (and unfortunately, I don't know or I would add the information myself). [[User:Matkin22|Matkin22]] 17:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Umm... I just came across TWO Nosepass in the summit, at DAYTIME, while it mentions, that they are not there.
I didn't pay too much attention on the first one, but the second one was a female, level 38 one.
This happened on Platinum.

==The Elusive Feebas==

Are the four random tiles in which Feebas appears on the shoreline only? Or are they scattered throughout the water? [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 23:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Like after giving you the ability to fish while surfing they'd be nice and do that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Layout ==

Should the Items section be redesigned? Currently, every item located in Mt. Coronet seems to come under the Dialga / Palkia quest heading, despite the fact that some items don't require all the above HMs, and do require Rock Climb.
I've also found an Escape Rope in plain view, and a hidden Max Potion, Super Repel and Max Revive that I'm reluctant to place into the list before I know it's helpful and reliable to the reader.

[[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 18:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, most of the items are available conveniently during the DP quest, while otherwise it takes a lot of backtracking. I dunno how exactly they're organized on this page, and since I'm not about to restart my game... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia addition? ==

Using the walk any where cheat it is possible to get to a plot of grass and on the east side wall there is a hole in the wall that looks like an entrance into the mountain but you can't go in. This is probably just a prototype entrance but I find it interesting. Is is good enough for the trivia section? [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 13:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean that place where there is only one tuft of grass and then an entrance to the east?You can access that place by using rock climb,and the entrance leads right out of Mt Coronet,to the Celestic Town entrance.I think it's only one way.[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie Legend]] 17:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Help. ==

I '''really''' need help to get to the spear piller in my Pokémon Pearl game because I been wandering through Mt. Coronet so much I think the floor is going to fall. '''''PLEASEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!'''''.[[User:Glitchym1|Mglitch♀]] 22:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:...don't be stupid. It's not like the [[Ice Path]]. It's nothing to get through.
:Now go play your game. We're not a walkthrough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Abomasnow ==
Snover evolve to abomasnow at level 40 and a 38 aboasnow is there, shall i add it to trivia?

Just as a heads-up, don't forget to sign. No. There are lots of places (especially trainer battles) which do this. An example could be Mars' Purugly during your first battle with her --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 06:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Surfing Here ==
Is this the only place you can catch non-Water/Dragon-type Pokémon (like Zubat) while surfing? Is that worth mentioning in trivia, if it is true? --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 18:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:There's a location in every region where you can find Zubat/Golbat while surfing. It's nothing new. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
::Is it just one location in every region? If so, it might be worth mentioning, since it's... different? I dunno. That said, I don't know what the locations are, as for some reason Mr. Coronet was the first place I saw/noticed it, myself. --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 00:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::There's at least one. Put simply, if you can Surf, and you can find Zubat, you can find Zubat while surfing. It isn't really anything special. If you'd like an explanation, I guess the player finds the bats flying over the water. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::: Nah, I just thought maybe if it was a single place per region it'd be worth mentioning. Thanks though. --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 01:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, I don't seem to recall being able to find Zubat or Golbat while surfing until [[Generation III]]. However, in Hoenn, finding Zubat or Golbat while Surfing wasn't a rare sight in many caves that had both water and Zubat and/or Golbat. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
==Celestic shorcut blocker grunt==
This guy is a living in-game reference to another grunt when he says "Yep, I'm hopelessly lost." But as TTE pointed out he's only there to serve as a roadblock. --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 03:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon levels ==

The page needs changing. It says Chingling is available at 38-40 but I encountered one at 37--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 08:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pal Pad

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Pal Pad in Platinum can be obtained before getting the Coal Badge but can only be used at the Pokemon center in Oreburgh until after obtaining the first gym badge. I know this for a fact as I recently obtained it and got 3 Pokemon from a friend via the Pal Pad registration.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 15:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Animated series move errors

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There has to be a way to make it so that EP goes before AG and DP... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

== Roark's Onix ==

Did Roark's Onix use Zap cannon in DP017 or DP018?[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)\

neither but it did use screech
[[User: ShinyMedicham]]

== Order? ==

Are the anime moves supposed to be in order and if so, order by what? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:Order by episode. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I was under the impression that that was Vespiquin's Attack Order. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 01:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Attack order.... I could swore brock said psybeam...but attack order make sense... - [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 12:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==Some of these attacks==
Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:: But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move {{m|Fly}}, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of {{m|Aura Sphere}} is due to it being able to manipulate [[aura]], which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

:I'd say Take Riolu off the list, In [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]] There is a Bonus mission to get a Riolu and if you beat it, you can transfer it to D/P and It will know Aura Sphere--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 19:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

::That's an abnormal method of learning it, though. Riolu can't learn Aura Sphere in the main games, anymore than Pikachu can learn Surf. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Since the episode was specifically based on the Battonage mission, that argument is invalid.
:::I'm also seriously questioning Bulbasaur tickling Togepi being an error, especially given that the move known as {{m|Tickle}} didn't even exist back then. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't even think the move Tickle was PLANNED. Seriously, Ash didn't say 'Bulbasaur, use Tickle!' Instead, he said 'Bulbasaur, tickle Psyduck!' Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:46 11 May 2008'''''

Also, James Hoppip using Fly is Invald, too. it Just flew with the Air current's, which is on it's Pokédex entries.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 20:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== [[Drew's Butterfree]] ==

We should include Drew's Butterfree using Protect [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 22:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

: No....Butterfree can learn protect through TM. [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

== Ash's Pikachu ==

Should Ash's Pikachu using Volt Tackle be added? I know it's an egg move from Pichu, but Ash's Pikachu learned it through a different way.{{unsigned|Strawhat luffy}}
:The only issue there is the method of learning, which the writers had no choice but to cheat on. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::You know, it could of known it all along and may have been born with the tequnique. It may have just taken it a while to figure out how to use it. Remember, games doesn't always equal anime. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The problem is that games =/= anime is the whole point of this article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::::We include Volt Tackle, we include [[Misty's Azurill]]'s {{m|Refresh}}. Trust me, Pokémon in the anime can learn moves through bull**** methods without a moment's notice. For example, if {{an|Dawn}}'s newly-evolved [[Dawn's Piplup|Prinplup]] starts sparring against [[Ash's Chimchar|Ash's Monferno]] working on a bull**** method to learn {{m|Stealth Rock}} in [[DP085]], would we include that? No.

::::(For the record, the example is not indicative of any actual DP085 plot.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

: I think the difference though is some Pokemon can't learn/know a specific move period. And TMs don't really exist in the anime, and so most of the time a Pokemon has to learn a move by watching someone else. (Ash's Turtwig with Energy Ball). And with the case of Pikachu, all it was required to do is store it's electricity and use Quick attack, which is probably how all Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu are capable of using Volt Tackle. The anime puts more realism in the show, since the games are limited. I would be surprised if the games had a system where if you used two attacks in a row and leveled up, it would learn a move that way. And I think the point of this article is for moves that a Pokemon cannot know a move for any reason. Like if a Caterpie started using Flamethrower. It cannot know it period. But Pikachu can know Volt Tackle --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 18:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How do we know that Ash's Pikachu was never a Pichu that was bred with a Light Ball? For all we know, Pikachu could have hatched under the same circumstances as an in-game Pichu that knows Volt Tackle, only for some reason it was unaware that it could use the move until that moment. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== "the games" ==

Riolu's Aura Sphere seems to have exposed an issue. What are we counting as "the games"? Just the main set (RBY,GSC,RSE,FRLG & DP) or the various side games as well? For that matter, what counts as "learned"? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe it counts any move that a Pokemon can learn through any method, as long as that Pokemon with that move can be brought over to a main game. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, because the Riolu is transferred to D/P, Riolu does learn Aura Sphere in D/P.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 13:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not what "learn" means, Kuki. It can "know" Aura Sphere in D/P, but there's no way ''within D/P themselves'' for Riolu to acquire Aura Sphere; not by level-up, not by TM, not by egg-move or Heart Scale, not even by Move tutor. Even in Baatonage, the Riolu doesn't "learn" Aura Sphere as such; it shows up already knowing the move, without any indication of how it got the move. That's sort of it's whole point: it's an abberation, an anomaly; A Pokemon which knows a move it shouldn't know until it evolves. As such, Riolu's Aura Sphere belongs on the list. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:If that is the case, Ash using Aura Sphere in movie 8 should also be on the list. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:: *laughs* Don't tempt me. I don't think that was supposed to be Aura Sphere, though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Anime errors? ==

I couldn't find an article on this, but I remember general anime errors in the cartoon that weren't move related. Like Jenny commanding a Growlithe (by calling it Arcanine) to take down Team Rocket's balloon, and Pikachu's electric attack taking out Marowak, which is equally as bad as a move error. I know there's other examples out there too..
Would it be a good idea if there be a general Anime Errors article, with the move errors being a subset of it? Or am I just crazy? Toastypk 19:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

We have an errors section in every anime episode's page!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well we have all the move related ones here, so just a thought. Toastypk 19:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Bronzor and Teleport ==

There was really no proof that it used Teleport. All that I saw was Bronzor using Confusion on the Unown and then they were gone. Maybe Saturn as a teleportation device. Unlikely but it could happen. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Jynx Ice Punch/Beam ==

I don't know if this is the right place to place this but in ''The Manarin Island Miss Match'' Loreli/Prima commands her Jynx to use Ice Beam and to me it looks a lot more like Ice Punch. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Moretacos}} ([[User talk:Moretacos|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moretacos|contribs]]){{ #if: at 19:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC) | at 19:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC) |}}''

BUT it can learn both moves legally, and thats what we mean by errors moves they CAN"T learn in the games--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:That was just a dub error cause the <strike>idiots</strike> people at 4Kids can't tell the difference between Ice Beam and Ice Punch. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
::I don't see why it's so hard; how do Freezing Punch and Freezing Beam sound alike at all? Panchi vs Bimu... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== Paul's Ursaring ==

Ursaring can learn Headbutt by way of TM02 in Generation II. Perhaps Paul got his hands on a Johto TM and taught this move to Ursaring. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Exept that there are no TM's in the anime.Pikachu learned Iron tail through training, not by a TM. {{unsigned|Tomas}}

== Nosepass and Hyperbeam?==

We can't judge a Pokemon's attack solely by its appearance, just because it looked like Hyper beam doesn't mean it was hyper beam. Roxanne in the original said "denjihou" which is not hyper beam but Zap Cannon. Hyperbeam is "hakaikousen" unless someone who actually speaks Japanese would like clarify at what point did Nosepass use hyper beam. Plus it paralysing Nosepass sort of makes it final that Roxanne's Nosepass never used hyper beam. Also when has hyperbeam ever been electrical in its appearance? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 03:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can't speak for the Japanese version. But my DVD with the dub has Roxanne saying "Zap Cannon". --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 13:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

: Well I did see the Japanese version, and like I said I clearly keep hearing the Japanese name for "Zap Cannon" (Denjihou). I wonder, do the people who think it is hyper beam, are basing it only on its appearance or are you actually basing it on what Roxanne said. Now I suppose its possible that in the very original (the first time this episode aired) Roxanne told Nosepass to use hyper cannon, but the version I saw, she says "Denjihou" which is Zap Cannon. Now you're probably going to ignore me because I don't speak Japanese, but I'd like to point out, I'm using these move names from someone who does speak Japanese. And like I said in July, since when has Hyper Beam been electrical in appearance. I'll gladly give the link of the version I saw, if someone needs it. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== EP25 ==

When Ash's Pikachu attacks Team rocket with what Ash would usually call thunderbolt, he simply says "electric attack". Isn't that a type of special move instead?
*Depends. Is it simply a dub error, or did he say it in Japanese, too? --[[User:Fsilone|隼也]] 20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== Zap Cannon? Error? ==

I really don't think that Anabel's Espeon using Zap Cannon can be counted as a move error. If you look at Espeon's Generation II learnset (TM), you'll find TM07: Zap Cannon. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 21:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing
:The same applies for Ursaring and Headbutt. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== Other Combo Attacks ==

Wasn't there an episode where Squirtle and Pickachu combined their attacks to make a sort of electricly-charged water attack? --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 04:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:Combining moves doesn't count as an error. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== Crawdaunt ==

Didn't Kyles crawdaunt use mudshot? I'm fairly sure Crawdaunt can't learn that {{unsigned|TheAlmightyChris}}
:No, it was {{m|Sludge Bomb}}, which Crawdaunt '''can''' learn. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 20:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
My mistake, thanks [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 18:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Cheryl's Mothim & Ash's Chimchar==

Cheryl's mothim used supersonic in the anime, but in the games, there's no way for him to learn it. am I right?

Ash's chimchar can't use pound, isn't it? but in the anime, it was seen using that move.

* Pound is basically just hitting the opponent, it doesn't count (just like Samurai's Pinsir using tackle in episode 1 shouldn't really count because all tackle does is plow into the opponent, any solid Pokemon can do that) {{unsigned|Blackstone Dresden}}

== Titles ==

In the exceptions section, why aren't the dub titles used?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Good question. I don't think there's any reason for not putting in the dub titles barring sheer laziness. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Anime Pokémon Used Moves ==

There are plenty of moves on the "Used Moves" section on the pages of anime Pokémon that they cannot learn, shouldn't those be seperate from ones they can learn? (ex. [[Satoshi's Lizardon]]/[[Ash's Charizard]], check out all those "illegal" moves!) [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 01:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Masquerain ==

Unless I'm completely bugging, I remember (was a VERY short scene) a Masquerain using Surf in one of the contests that May entered, which of course, can't be learned by said pokemon. Anyone remember this? >_< [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 00:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I remember that scene. It could be {{m|Water Pulse}}, though. --☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 12:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

==Metagross==

Really? First off it looked nothing like lock-on used when Brandon did it. Secondly I'm pretty sure it was just in reference to Metagross's supercomputer brain. And thirdly even if somehow it was lock-on it wouldn't explain why Metagross used it, Metagross did it to come up with a strategy against Wobbuffet. Lock-on would only guarantee Wobbuffet using a counter move like Counter or Mirror Coat not surpass it. And finally it was never mentioned by Team Rocket to be Lock on. Really it was mostly a reference to it's intelligence not a move itself. I thought that was pretty obvious given those "Fakey Equations" going through Metagross's eyes. I mean what Supercomputer is incapable of figuring out the angles and what needs to be done. With Lock-on the move it may have nothing to do with intelligence but in Metagross's case it was. So I think Metagross should be removed due to lack of evidence. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== A Dusknoir with Rapid Spin ==

In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky anime special, Dusknoir used Rapid Spin, which it can't learn in the games. Also, what's the attack called that Dusknoir used on the ghost girl in Ghoul Daze?--[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 23:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it was will-o-wisp. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 01:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== If your going.. ==

..to have a page listing this stuff then you may as well have a page listing the fact that in the anime Pokemon can learn more then 4 moves unlike the game. When Krabby evolved into Kingler it used 5 moves after evolving. And half of these moves listed are just the Pokemon doing things they could normally do if they were real which the anime makes out they are cause in the games you can't tell a Pokemon to dodge an attack or use an attack at the same time as an opponent. Also the comments about Counter for Caterpie and such IIRC Ash merely said for Caterpie to counter the attack not meaning use the counter attack but to do something to counter it which could be understandable since he could have not known the attacks it could use. Also if your adding things to this page then why not have that Brock's Onix used Wrap on many occasions? And Ash's Larvitar didn't use the ''move'' Harden, it just Hardened up which is an expression like clamming up. The anime doesn't follow the same rules as the games. To me this page seems a bit of a waste.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 10:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:EP266

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Error on page. It says this episode was Furret's debut but I remember(watched the episode moments ago) that it was in the same episode as Magby. It was amongst the pokemon that Team Rocket kidnapped.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 10:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Aura

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EP255

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prevtitle=Better Eight Than Never |
nextcode=EP256 |
nexttitle=Just Add Water |
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epcode=EP255 |
colorscheme=Johto |
title_en={{tt|Why? Why Not!|Why? Wynaut!}} |
title_ja=ソーナノ！？ジムバッジとソーナンス！！ |
title_ja_trans=Sohnano!? Gym Badges and Sonans!! |
broadcast_jp=July 4, 2002 |
broadcast_us=June 28, 2003 |
screen=yes |
en_series=Master Quest |
en_op=[[Believe in Me]] |
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'''{{tt|Why? Why Not!|Why? Wynaut!}}''' (Japanese: '''ソーナノ！？ジムバッジとソーナンス！！''' ''{{tt|Sohnano|Wynaut}}!? Gym Badges and {{tt|Sonans|Wobbuffet}}!!'') is the 255th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on July 4, 2002 and in the United States on June 28, 2003.
{{spoilers}}
== Synopsis ==
{{Incomplete synopsis}}

Ash plans to go to [[New Bark Town]] to register for the Johto Silver Conference now that he has all 8 badges even though the Silver Conference is in 3 months. Team Rocket has plans of their own, they decide to steal Ash’s badges for money or to enter the Conference themselves. They are successful in stealing his badges and run away with them. Meanwhile, [[Jessie's Wobbuffet|Wobbuffet]] meets a {{p|Wynaut}} in the woods who steals the badges from Team Rocket. When Ash realizes his loss of badges he goes through the list of the gym leaders he fought to get them.

Team Rocket think a {{p|Wooper}} stole the badges, so they try to find one. While Ash tries on his own to try to find the badges. {{AP|Noctowl}} and {{AP|Bayleef}} find Wynaut and the badges and some berries it has in a box. But when Team Rocket find Bayleef with the badges, they attack Bayleef and escape with the badges. [[Clair]] comes in with [[Clair's Dragonair|Dragonair]] to chase the Rocket balloon. When Ash gets his badges back he realizes he’s missing his Rising badge, Wynaut appears holding the badge. It hands it to Bayleef and escapes without Ash seeing it. Now that Ash has all eight badges, Clair tells Ash the directions to New Bark Town to register for the Johto League Silver Conference.

== Major events ==

* Clair tells Ash about the [[Silver Conference]].
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=== Debuts ===

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Clair]]
* [[Professor Oak]]
* [[Falkner]] (flashback)
* [[Bugsy]] (flashback)
* [[Whitney]] (flashback)
* [[Morty]] (flashback)
* [[Chuck]] (flashback)
* [[Jasmine]] (flashback)
* [[Pryce]] (flashback)

=== Pokémon ===
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Steelix}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
* {{p|Charizard}} ({{OP|Ash|Charizard}}; flashback)
* {{p|Kingler}} ({{OP|Ash|Kingler}})
* {{p|Muk}} ({{OP|Ash|Muk}})
* {{p|Snorlax}} ({{OP|Ash|Snorlax}})
* {{p|Chikorita}} ({{OP|Ash|Chikorita}}; flashback)
* {{p|Bayleef}} ({{OP|Ash|Bayleef}})
* {{p|Cyndaquil}} ({{OP|Ash|Cyndaquil}}; flashback)
* {{p|Totodile}} ({{OP|Ash|Totodile}}; flashback)
* {{p|Noctowl}} ({{OP|Ash|Noctowl}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Arbok}} ({{OP|Jessie|Arbok}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Victreebel}} ({{OP|James|Victreebel}})
* {{p|Dragonair}} ({{OP|Clair|Dragonair}})
* {{p|Kingdra}} ([[Clair]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Gyarados}} ([[Clair]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Hoothoot}} ([[Falkner]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Scyther}} ([[Bugsy]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Miltank}} ({{OP|Whitney|Miltank}}; flashback)
* {{p|Haunter}} ([[Morty]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Machoke}} ([[Chuck]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Steelix}} ([[Jasmine]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Piloswine}} ({{OP|Pryce|Piloswine}}; flashback)
* {{P|Wooper}}
* {{p|Wynaut}} ({{an|Wynaut|anime}})

== Trivia ==
* Throughout the entire Blackthorn City arc, {{an|Wynaut}} is never seen by a human. This perhaps accounts for its perceived rarity outside of Hoenn.
* On [http://www.pokemon.com/#tvmovies_545 the corresponding page] on [[Pokémon.com]] the episode is called ''Why? Wynaut!'' instead of ''Why? Why Not!'' However, on the title card in the episode itself the latter title is printed. Therefore, this episode has two titles. Moreover, some dubs, like Iberian Spanish, use translations of the second title whereas others, like Latin American Spanish, use the first.
=== Errors ===

* When remembering his badges, Ash says he received the {{badge|Glacier}} twice. The first one was actually the {{badge|Zephyr}}.
* Meowth was holding the leaf that had Ash's badges in it, then it shows Meowth holding nothing, and then holding the leaf again.
* Ash says he won his Plain Badge from Whitney in the Goldenrod Gym, however this is incorrect as he won it on her uncle's Miltank farm. Though its highly possible he was referring to how she is the Gym Leader at Goldenrod.

=== Dub edits ===

==In other languages==
* French: '''{{tt|Le vol des badges|Flight of the badges}}'''
* German. '''{{tt|Die Orden sind weg!|The badges are gone!}}'''
* Hebrew: '''גנבי התגים''' ''{{tt|ganavei hatagim|the badges thieves}}''
* Italian: '''{{tt|Doppio furto|Double stealing}}'''
* Portuguese (Brazilian): '''{{tt|A Grande Roubada!|The Big Theft!}}'''
* Spanish:
** Iberian Spanish: '''{{tt|¿Por qué? ¿Por qué no?|Why? Why not?}}'''
** Latin American Spanish: '''{{tt|¿Por qué? Wynaut!|Why? Wynaut!}}'''

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Talk:EP233

2010-04-01T01:41:21Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: Created page with 'Ash and friends never showed any confusion of what the P1 Grand Prix was. I think it should be removed from the page.--~~~~'

Ash and friends never showed any confusion of what the P1 Grand Prix was. I think it should be removed from the page.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 01:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lucas (game)

2010-03-11T08:57:06Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Lucas */

== Needed point of reversing! ==
He is supposed to be named Daiya. The default name for male DP Character is Daiya (Dia)! Fans didn't call him Daiya for no reason. "Kouki" is one of optional names like "Ash" for Red or "Hiro" for Gold. Brendan and May are named Brendan and May not Ruby and Sapphire because they weren't named Ruby and Sapphire in the game. In the game default names for them were Brendan and May. But in D/P, characters are named after game (Daiya and Pearl). The names that come from Game Editions are considered as default. No one calls Red Ash. So, why do we call Daiya Kouki? D/P continues to name characters after game!
What's the point of moving Daiya back to Kōki?

Because the situation is exactly the same as Ruby and Sapphire. But you wouldn't know that, since you don't play the game. Check your facts first. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 22:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

So, when you choose a certain gender character the opposite gender character will be defautly named Kouki/Hikari. I understand now. Sorry, I don't have the game. I saw many screens from official sources that show character's name as Daiya/Pearl and since the names are from game editions I considered them as default. But I see I wasn't right. Ah well. - Maxim

== Partner Pokemon ==

Does Kouki use Clefairy too, if you're playing as the girl? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 03:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he does. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 14:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

In the second battle as a Partner, both Kouki and Hikari use a Level 25 Kadabra and the mid stage evolution of the starter at level 28 (Hayashigame, Moukazaru or Pottaishi.) as well as the Level 25 Clefairy. --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

== Lucas ==

in this video http://www.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?pid=925601&sid=6169196&tab=related&tag=videos;related;1 the character's name is spelled with a c not a k, so i'm moving it.--[[User:DSDark|DSDark]] 16:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course his name is "Lucas" with "c", who in the planet spell "Lukas" with "k"?? Come on!
[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 15:58, 24 September 2007
:This is from April 17, before the official English game was out. >> Pay attention.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
::My name is Lukas with a K so its not uncommon to find names like that.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 08:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Birthday ==

Today is my birthday. When I spoke to Lucas, instead of talking about the Poke Radar like he usually does, he asked if it was my birthday and congratulated me when I said yes.
This is probably because of the DS feature where you enter your birthday; I tried putting my sister's game in my DS and the same thing happened.

I'd be willing to bet that [[Dawn (game)]] does the same thing, but I don't have any male files to confirm it.
I just thought it was pretty neat; nothing important but maybe it could be added under "Trivia".

Happy Birthday!--[[User:Dawnfan47|Dawn]][[User Talk:Dawnfan47|fan47]]

:Dawn does the same thing, I already tried. And by the way, happy birthday! [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 21:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== Movie 11 Appearance? ==

Is this true? GIMME PROOF!!!! I WANT PROOF!!!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:How if the movie Isn't Online Yet!?!?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 01:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's true. Lucas appears at the begining, battling against BRENDAN!!! ((I read it in the reviews :D) --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 01:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Was he wearing his Emerald outfit? That should be mentioned if he was. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, he was. I saw a little video and I saw him with Emerald outfit :) --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 02:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
And like TTE said how come Leaf has never appeared!?!--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 05:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:No, Leaf has never appeared TwT. I want to see her :( --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 16:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

== Lucas is holding a Repeat Ball ==

The Sugimori art Lucas in Platinum shows him holding a Repeat Ball,as this game is a comeback of Sinnoh.This should be added to the trivia.What do you think? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Uxie legend|Uxie legend]] ([[User talk:Uxie legend|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Uxie legend|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Yes I think so too, and I added it yesterday but it has been deleted. Probably because its just speculation [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 10:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:If you look at [[Dawn (game)|Dawn]]'s artwork, you'll see she is also holding a Repeat Ball. It's unusual for an artwork to feature a specialised Poké Ball though.. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== Capture Tutorial ==
Shouldn't Bidoof be listed under his known Pokémon? Or Status Unknown? [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 09:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== optional names in Platinum? ==

seeing how the Japanese version of Platinum has been out for a while, can anyone add the Japanese optional names for Lucas? or are we waiting for the other languages to be released before doing anything in this regard? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 18:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Lucas in the anime ==

Should we add that Lucas may be Professor Rowan,s Assistant as Dawn is the player in the anime while Jun is the rival? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 01:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes , Its Speculation . Should we add it ? I mean speculation for GSDS Was added . So Why Not add it ? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 02:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::No, because who knows if he is an assistant there's no proof.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 02:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::You are right , there is no proof . Brendan was speculated to be Prof.Birch,s son and there is not a proof , but it was added anyway . [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 02:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well we don't have that anymore. It's been erased for a long time. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== His birthday conversation ==

We have Dawn's on her page,why not Lucas? I would post it,but my birthday's in June and I don't want to potentially mess my DS's(or video games) clock. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:It won't mess up. You can fix it whenever. I've done it before. Nothing will happen to your DS or game. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 22:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
::Okay,I added his birthday conversation. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 15:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Is this good trivia? ==

Is Lucas the only game character we see not wearing his hat during the game? The same with dawn too. I think its during the contests.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 05:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite on party template ==

Shouldn't Platinum sprite be used on party template, instead of DP one? Platinum is more recent, so I think it is right to use its sprite in templates. The same goes for {{ga|Dawn}}. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 19:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:All of the party templates are for Diamond and Pearl though, evidenced by the "Diamond and Pearl - Location", so they should use the D/P sprites.

Which raises the question, where are the Platinum templates? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 20:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:I don't think you fight him in Platinum --[[User:Cookiezard|Cookiezard]] 18:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Whoaaa help! ==

His picture is GIANT on the page. Someone needs to fix that. Like, now. o_o Half of his face takes up my entire screen. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kōki - Kongōseki ==

The reasoning for including this similiarity seems rather forced to me; the syllables in his name aren't even next to each other in the Japanese word for Diamond ('''こ'''んご'''う'''せ'''き'''). Is there a source that notes the similiarity between his name and Diamond? Because otherwise, it's kinda like saying {{ga|Hikari}} is similiar to Hikkakari (Hanging). --[[User:TintedLens|TintedLens]] 02:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Fan artwork ==

Can somebody say me where I can find qualified Lucas artwork? He is my favourite Pokemon character, with the best style. So I wanna some pics for me!
Or if some of you could draw an artwork I would be very happy, but without hat!
P.S. Artwork from Kotone and Leaf would be good too (Favourite female character)! [[User:Eneci|Eneci]] 21:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Oreburgh Mine

2010-03-11T08:47:50Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Fateful encounter Arceus event */ new section

== Worker Colin ==

I just battled him on Platinum and his Machop gave me 127 Experience. Not 128. I just wanted to point this out. [[User:Rpp|Rpp]] 23:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Level Six Onix==

I found a level six Onix in Platinum in the upper part of the mine, I'm not sure if this is just Platinum or wether this is in D,P and Pt or just Pt, so I won't update the page, until someone else can check it out - [[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 13:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Fateful encounter Arceus event ==

It should be noted that you don't need Arceus in your actual party as I engaged the event with it in the PC.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 08:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Mareep (Pokémon)

2010-03-10T12:34:37Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Trivia? */ new section

I seem to recall reading that Mareep was named for a popular Japanese song about a 'merry sheep'...

== HGSS ==
Serebii has mareep's HGSS japanese pokédex--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 20:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's just a repeat of Gold's entry...not cool, GameFreak. :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 15:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Sprite ==

I think I saw it on a screenshot [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 01:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:We know. We are waiting for high quality versions. The admins are working on it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Wheres the art ==

Where did we get the HGSS artwork from? In fact, where does any of this artwork come from?{{unsigned|Max King}}
:It fell off the back of a truck. If you'd checked, Maxie, you'd see that most of them came from the Pokedex.co.jp site; I think the HGSS are from the official site. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Platinum sprite is incorrect ==

I know I've already mentioned this on the Natu discussion page, Mareep's color palette in Platinum is different than D/P. Therefore, the Platinum sprite displayed on the page should be considered false information. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]]

These are the differences:
Diamond/Pearl: http://pkmn.net/sprites/dp/big/179.png
Platinum: http://pkmn.net/sprites/platinum/default/179.png 22:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: I uploaded the new 179.png, but I don't know how to change the file displayed under "Platinum"...[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think you will need to upload the sprite to "Spr 4p 179.png", which is what the sprite table template uses, so that it doesn't kill the server when it is updated to HGSS. Great work though. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::Has been uploaded. Now we're waiting on the server to refresh. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Locations ==

I've noticed that Mareep is available in the same areas in HeartGold and SoulSilver as they were in the Gold and Silver. I'm not quite sure about the rarity, but it's probably "Common" like in Gold and Silver. I found this out by checking the in-game Pokédex and I'm not exactly sure how to add this info to the article. [[User:Ranko Hoshino|Ranko Hoshino]] 22:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:As more information comes out, we'll get this all added. You can help, if you want. All you need to do is write <code>hgssloc= [LOCATION] |</code> in the template, just like we have with all the other games. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot. ^_^ [[User:Ranko Hoshino|Ranko Hoshino]] 17:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd say Common. I'll add it to the page. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Should it be noted that in the episode "Mild n wooly" Mareep seemed to have an ability despite them not being available? It had either "Lightningrod" "Volt Absorb" or "Motor drive" but mostly one of the first two as it absorbs the electric attacks.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 12:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Valuable item

2010-03-10T05:57:56Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Intro */

Has Nugget any function other then being sold for a lot of money?[[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 17:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Bag space. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I ''really'' want to add Japanese trivia of the Nugget, because it's an important in-joke of Japanese Pokemon fandom. But I also feel that it's inappropriate at the same time... --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 13:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:What would it be? That it's a piece of crap? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 15:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::In Japanese, it's ''''kin no tama'''' (きんのたま、金の玉 lit. golden ball). It's also a colloquial term for testicles, and the man offering you his "testicles" is a frequent joke amongst Japanese fans, especially since how the protagonist is still an underage child and all. --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 13:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It says under Slowpoketail that
:"One key point of interest is when first introduced, the Team Rocket member mentions the Slowpoketail's value as a delicacy, being the first time that it's ever mentioned of the use of any Pokémon as an actual food (for human consumption), a rather controversial subject of what kind of creature is the contributor of meat (of any kind) in the Pokémon world"
but my friend pointed out that in one episode, I think [[EP049]], the Pokedex says that people find Farfetch'd delicious.[[User:Daihatsuboy|Daihatsuboy]] 02:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::I vaguely remember hearing that. If you can find a clip it would be perfect[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I know I'm replying to old crap, but I was gonna mention this anyways: [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]] says that people think Farfetch'd is tasty served with leeks and that's why it's rare. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Also in the episode when everyone is on the SS Anne it shows them talk about eating a Magikarp. This has happened in many different episodes before Gen II even came out so the statement of "One key point of interest is when first introduced, the Team Rocket member mentions the Slowpoketail's value as a delicacy, being the first time that it's ever mentioned of the use of any Pokémon as an actual food (for human consumption), a rather controversial subject of what kind of creature is the contributor of meat (of any kind) in the Pokémon world. This is also the first time that Pokémon cruelty is mentioned explicitly." is totally wrong. It should be removed completely since its false.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 05:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Nugget ==

"In Generation IV it is officially announced that nuggets are made of gold, though the Generation III sprite revealed this beforehand."

I remember reading in Generation II, when you select a Nugget (and the description is below), that it says, "Made of pure gold. Sells high". So I would think that the info about Gen IV is wrong. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 04:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== pearl -> big pearl ==

On route 20 a swimmer asks if pearls grow bigger inside Cloyster. Do pearls turn into big pearls if you give them to a Cloyster to hold for long enough? --[[User:Jared|Jared]] 20:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:Not that I've heard of. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:PokéGods

2010-03-09T07:45:27Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Nidogod/goddess */ new section

==Deletion==
Really, how are these any different to [[Fake Pokémon]]. It says that they are a group of fake Pokémon, but not what what makes it a PokéGod rather than a regular fake Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 00:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:If anything, merge, not delete... '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 00:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::It doesn't really have any extra information. Maybe both tags are necessary? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 00:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::My opinion: It should not be deleted. Nor should it be merged. It does, however, need to be expanded upon a whole lot. The whole PokeGod rumor deal was '''''huge''''' back in {{tt|1998-1999|I realize that most of you guys would be too young to remember this... And I mean no offense by that at all; hey, can't control when you're born, right?}} - at the time my involvement in the fandom was basically limited to occasionally discussing the anime on message boards, and even ''I'' knew of the term. It most certainly deserves its own article, as a major part of fandom during its time. We just need someone who was more involved in the PokeGod phenomenon back then to give the article more substance. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::I say no. The PokéGods stand out among Fakemon, and deserve their own article. '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 01:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's fairly notable. PokéGods were fairly notable.--[[User:GreenGyarados|Green]][[User talk:GreenGyarados|Gyarados]][[Special:Contributions/GreenGyarados|Happy Holidays!]] 01:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::OK, then it needs some serious expansion. I see no difference between these and regular fake Pokémon from what this article says. It tells me what were considered PokéGods, and that PokéGods were fake Pokémon, and that there were fake cheats to get them; but it doesn't tell me what a PokéGod is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 02:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

==Recent Work==
A lot of the recent additions may have brought the article up to higher standards, but much of it is still incorrect. Ah well, guess not every site can be fully-informative. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 15:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Of course a lot of it is incorrect - PokeGods don't exist!
:As for what was considered to be correct among the PokeGods phenomenon, I did extensive research on the subject, determined which were considered by the fandom to be the "leading sites on PokeGod information," checked out some other PokeGod sites also (sometimes having to make use of the Wayback Machine, of course), and took information from there. Of course there were a lot of conflicting "facts," due to the fact that PokeGods were complete made-up bullshit and anyone would just claim whatever tyhey wanted about them, but I took what seemed to be the most commonly-accepted spellings/evolutions/rumors and ''that's'' what I put on the page. (And btw, I don't quite appreciate your veiled accusation on my talkpage that I had made it all up.)
:Though could you possibly point out exactly what you find to be incorrect, so that I can look into it? Specifics will help us become, you know, more informative. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't imply you made anything up, though your mentality that it's all "bullshit" just goes to show you probably shouldn't be writing on the subject. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 18:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''bull·shit''' ''n.''
:::#Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.
:::#Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere.
:::#Insolent talk or behavior.
:::PokeGods are all fake. Made-up. Bullshit. That doesn't mean that I can't write about it (and even if I did absolutely detest the subject, I'd ''still'' write about it if no one else would, because I am perfectly capable of taking an objective stance in writing).
:::Also, my apologies for saying that you were accusing me of that; I viewed your comment on my talkpage as somewhat confrontational (asking why I was updating it... because, uh, why shouldn't I be?), so, along with your mention here that a lot of it was incorrect, I took "if anywhere other than your head" as a veiled accusation. I'm sorry for doing so in error.
:::On that note, would you mind pointing out exactly what is incorrect...? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't necessarily mean to be confrontational, though discussions do have a tendency to be hard-headed.

::::For starters, it's incorrect because you're operating off the assumption that all of it was made-up. This actually isn't true, though I can understand why someone would think so. In any case, I do enjoy your expansion of the article and am looking forward to seeing where it's headed. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 18:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''POKEGODS EXIST??? HOLY SHIT WHERE??''' -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::...So. Exactly what is it about PokeGods that was ''not'' made-up? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've done the research. You're welcome to do the same and discover the truth. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 18:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, dear. Unfortunately, it seems that I'm not nearly as amazing at doing research as you are. Would you be so kind as to share this information with lowly little me, o superior one? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I'm not trying to presume or imply anything. I just wanted to make note that the mentality of this page is rather deprecating, and against the research. I can't help in any other regard. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 18:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::this is amazing. ive ''heard'' about PokeGods, but ive never actually got to see, or '''use''' one! i would love it if you could show us some of the research you have. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Is it really so hard to just provide links to where you've found this research? --[[User:Shiay|Shiay]] ''([[User talk:Shiay|The Morty Lover ♥]])'' 19:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm just saying, provide sources. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 19:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::hows about YOU provide sources? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not the one editing the page, and I'm not the one claiming having done research that's being used on the page. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 19:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::You are, however, claiming to have found sources that conflict with the information used on the page. But, you provide no source information to back up your claims. It's a two-way streak, Redstar. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't "have" the source information on me. I just recall what I've read and seen back in the day. I only want to see someone provide sources if they're claiming to have done research. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 19:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) Redstar, with all due respect, you're not even telling us what exactly it is that you think is wrong about this article. Umeko and any other user is allowed to edit this article and add information. If you don't have sources to counter this information, it stays. Back up your claims or stop protesting against the edits. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 19:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:So I heard that you want sources. Here's a good source: http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/animerpg/rumors.html ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 19:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::anyone can link any number of Angelfire, Geocities, Yahoo Groups, or assorted horrible late 90s fansites, and the conclusion is the same. '''POKEGODS DONT EXIST. THEY HAVE NEVER EXISTED.''' thats why this page is merely explaining the point of PokeGods and what they meant to us old kids back in the day. the name is still thrown around quite a lot, but it doesnt mean anything, they dont exist. its a popular fanon term on the same level as [[HSOWA]] or "if you use Strength on [[the truck]], Mew will appear!" and so on. what Umeko is putting in the article is fine. she has discussed this article with me and other admins. PokeGods were invented by kids with computers back in the day. they dont exist. i dont want to hear any more about unverifiable claims because you cant verify something that doesnt exist. ive actually got a few "PokeGods" in my Blue version. theyre basically glitches, but we believed a lot of stuff we read on the internet back in the day, and thats what this article is about. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I know they are fake. The link I posted was to a page that seems very reasonable and {{tt|explains|at least it tries to}} why the so-called PokéGods seem to exist, not that they exist. It's exactly the opposite. And like you said, the "real" PokéGods, if I may call them this way, are just really crazy glitches. So no Venustoise, Mewthree, Pikablu, or whatever people. Just get over it. But of course that we must talk about something that's part of the fandom's history, considering we have an article about it and are willing to take out the lies. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::why are you telling ''me'' to get over it? i know they dont exist. and my statement wasnt entirely aimed at you, i was basically explaining that for this article, there is no such thing as a "source" as much as there is a memory in every kids head. and as a nod to Redstar, you can "research" something that doesnt exist, but in the end youre just wasting your time. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I apologize for giving the impression that I aimed that to you. :-) It was targeted to people that still believe in their existence. ;-) Other than that, I agree with you and will stop here as to not be repetitive. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::ok then, just try to be a little clearer when directing a comment at either one person or a group of people. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Got it. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::So... what was it, exactly, that's wrong with the article? Or is it all hunky-dory now? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 23:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

== Yoshi ==
Should we have an interwiki link to the Super Mario Wiki on Yoshi?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 13:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

== Nidogod/goddess ==

Just a little info to adjust the page if you see fit. When I first heard about the Nidogod/goddess it was said that it was only named Nidogod and the way to get it was to somehow get Nidoking and Nidoqueen to hold hands and they would fuse together. I know its all made up non-sense but thought I'd add it since you guys all put that they were supposed evolutions when they were classed(in my area at least) as a fusion.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 07:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ash's Charizard

2010-03-08T11:00:12Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Fly? */

<big><big><big>Please don't post about Charizard's gender being unknown. It's very annoying. Our policy is that the gender stays unknown until someone in the anime calls it a male or female.</big></big></big>

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Ash's Charizard/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from January 14, 2007 – January 4, 2009)
==Ability==
I'm not sure if it should be editted in, but since Charizard DO only have {{a|Blaze|one ability}}, shouldn't Charizard's ability be listed as Blaze? Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 16:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Unlike [[May's Blaziken]] and [[Ash's Chimchar]], it has yet to show its ability in the anime. Yes, in the games, it has only one ability.. But since it's the anime, we are clueless of what the writers could do. D: '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 16:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

If Charizard comes back in the D&P League then maybe they could have ash mention it while he is there {{unsigned|MR115}}

==Steel Wing==
Text says it used it in the fight against Kevin, table says in battle against Brandon. What's right? --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 16:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

==Protected?==
Why is this page protected? I was just going to add a bit of trivia about it. [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 07:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:Someone keeps adding images. Try checking the article's history next time. :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 07:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::Can an admin add that until ''Charizard Chills'', Charizard only seems to want to obey Ash while fighting another Fire Pokemon? (Blaine's Magmar, Mewtwo's cloned Charizard, and Richie's Charmander) [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] 07:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

==Fly?==
Unlike the situation with Ash's squirtle and Surf (Ash's squirtle has never outright used or was issued to use the ''move'' Surf) Ash's Charizard actually learned to fly with ash on its back in Charizards Burning Ambition. Although it has never been used in battle Charizard did explicitly learn it so should it be counted as a move it knows? -- [[User:D558|D558]] 01:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Ash has commanded charizard to "Use Fly!" on multiple occosions, especially in Fighting Flyer with Fire. I think someone should add it. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 01:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::Nope, this issue has already been resolved before. See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash%27s_Charizard&diff=906293&oldid=906286 here]. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 01:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually if you watch "Charizard Chills" Ash says "Charizard Fly" which can be taken as Charizard using the fly move to get up out of range of attacks but(if it was in the game) missing with the next attack. Though truth be told a lot of the moves in the anime are way different to the games as in the anime Pikachu's Agility and Quick Attack are pretty much the same as Pikachu has always hit the opponent when using Agility. So in truth we probably shouldn't list attacks at all since they could be inaccurate.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 11:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

== Mega Punch ==

I think it should be noted in the moves section that Ash commanded Charizard to use Mega Punch in Charizard Chills, which implies that he had learned it. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 05:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== '''Fire Spin?''' ==

Episode 32 of the season 1 [[The Ninja Poké-Showdown]] during the battle between Koga's Golbat and Ash's Charmander, was the first time [[Fire Spin]] was used by Ash's Charmander, not as Charizard in Fighting Flyer with Fire. {{unsigned|Pookiemon}}
--[[User:Pookiemon|Pookiemon]] 21:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:EP105

2010-03-08T10:55:37Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: Info about attack

I just watched the episode and noticed that the "Dragon Rage" attack the article claims Charizard used was the same as the "Rage Flame Thrower" used by Charmander when battling Mankey/Primape. Its possible that it was just a Rage powered Flame Thrower like back then.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 10:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ash's Gible

2010-03-08T10:36:17Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Second with an HM? */

You might wanna add Dragon Pulse to that list. ;) --[[User:Oz|'''O''']][[User talk:Oz|'''z''']] 09:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Let's get the moves right

From my knowlege of watching the episodes

Gible can use Rockthrow, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Dig, and Slash

Gible I believe can not use rock smash this could just be Gible using Slash on rocks or hitting a rock but it can't use rock smash

Forgive me if I'm wrong I'm new to Bulbapedia {{unsigned|Gotpika}}

Throwing one rock doesn't mean it can use Rock Throw. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

We went over this on Brocks Hippiny. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://random-cerberus.deviantart.com/ ☃] 09:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, Gible can use Rock Smash. It learns it by HM. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 16:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

== Second with an HM? ==

It says that Gible is the second to use an HM after Grotle with Rock Climb but what about Lapras with Surf? And I'm sure there have been others.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 22:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:According to Ash's Lapras' article, it never used Surf. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::It may not say it but I'm currently watching the Orange Islands series and it appears to know Surf cause it rides over the water which is what Surf does.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 22:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::A lot of Pokémon go in the water. That doesn't mean they know surf. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::::They go in the water yes but they don't go on the top of the water with humans riding them much like surf. Also Pidgeot appears to know Fly since it carried Ash on its back a trait of Fly. Though even if Gible in the game can learn Rock smash it doesn't mean that it knows it in the anime. IIRC Ash's Bulbasaur has cut down some bushes in the anime but was using Razor Leaf not cut so its possible Gible was using a different attack unless Ash actually said "Gible use Rock smash"--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 22:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Why does this conversation about Surf keep coming back? It's stupid... of course the Pokémon swim with a human riding them. They can't swim underwater without having to come up every 30 seconds or so so the human can breathe. Ash has used Squirtle to travel short distances (and in M01 it was long distance in a storm), Misty has used various Water types, and so many others have done the same thing. It's not surf. It's something called "swimming". Just like with Fly. You don't get on a bird to have it walk you around, unless it's a Doduo or Dodrio. That's what wings are for. Flying. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Then what about all the ones using moves that work like HM's but aren't? For all you know Gible could have just used another attack or it could have just whacked the rock. There are many different explanations of it.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 10:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

PokéShipping

2010-03-08T07:10:37Z

Lycos Ex Mortis: /* Misty's hints */

{{ship}}
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[[Image:Pokeship.jpg|250px|thumb|Ash and Misty in the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] {{pkmn|manga}}]]
'''PokéShipping''' (Japanese: '''サトカス''' ''SatoKasu'') is one of many names given to the couple of {{Ash}} and [[Misty]], supported by many fans of the [[Pokémon anime]]. In the early years, PokéShipping was the most popular Ship in the fandom; it still maintains a strong following to this day.
{{spoilers}}
==Anime evidence==
In the beginning, Pikachu "fried" Misty's bike, and she then held Ash responsible. Misty began to follow Ash to make sure he would pay off his debt to her. They bickered constantly, but, needless to say, their friendship grew stronger as the series progressed. They relied on each other not only for friendship, but for support as well.

===Misty's hints===
Most other Shippers tend to agree that Misty's love for Ash is undeniable. This evidence became most prevalent during the Orange Season, long before it became occasional to set upon Ash a girl who becomes infatuated with him.

* ''[[EP003|Ash Catches a Pokémon]]''
: Ash, willing to continue his journey alone, is followed by Misty. Upon noticing her pursuing him in [[Viridian Forest]], Ash puts her on the spot and asks her, "Why are you still following me?" Misty sweatdrops and unconvincingly stutters back, "M...My [[bike]]! I'm holding you responsible for my bike!" in an insincere manner.

: Why she is following him is made apparent near the end of the episode where she says, "I've never known anyone like him. He really does love Pokémon." She does so in body language befitting that of an infatuated girl. Also, in her statement, it is pretty much implied that she has some sort of interest in knowing Ash, who, at this point, is someone she barely knows. Furthermore, in this and the next episode, Misty seems very eager to make physical (if not courtly) contact with Ash.

*''[[EP007|The Water Flowers of Cerulean City]]''
: Misty tells {{an|Daisy}} that she's back home because of Ash. The remark makes Daisy think Ash and Misty are a couple, which causes Misty to blush.

*''[[EP009|The School of Hard Knocks]]''
: While Ash and [[Brock]] fall into infatuation with [[Giselle]], Misty gets mad. Some say that she was jealous because of Ash, others say that was because of {{s|GymShipping|Brock}}.

*''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]''
: At the beginning of the episode, Ash, Brock and Misty are walking through the mist on their way to Lavender Town and Brock says they should probably hold hands. Ash and Misty eagerly reply, "Okay!" The two of them hold hands and continue walking, but Brock, who came up with the idea mistook Pikachu's tail for Ash's hand; Only Ash and Misty are holding hands. Also, when Brock grabs Pikachu's tail because he can't see through the mist, Pikachu fires an electric attack out of fear and Misty grabs onto Ash.

:Later, when Misty thought that Ash had died, she is driven to almost tears, but is interrupted by Ash who comes back to life and wipes her nose and blushes.

* ''[[EP059|Volcanic Panic]]''
: One of the clearest examples to fans of Misty's growing feelings towards Ash in the Indigo League, would be at the fact that she completely forgot about her bike being destroyed by Ash, being the supposed only reason for her traveling with him.

* ''[[EP083|Poké Ball Peril]]''
: Near the end of the episode, with Brock having left Ash and Misty to travel alone, [[James]] says, "I think we may have captured a pair of romantic creatures in our little cage," after which [[Jessie]] swoons and {{MTR}} blurts out, "They're lovebirds!" Ash and Misty deny it all.

: The idea of Ash and Misty as a couple becomes a sub-theme throughout the subsequent Orange League Season, culminating into events in the 2nd movie.

* ''[[EP093|Navel Maneuvers]]''
: [[Danny]], the [[Navel Island]] [[Gym Leader]], quickly picks up on the nature of Ash and Misty's relationship during one of their arguments and says, "I can see the two of you are pretty close." After Misty asks what he meant by that, he replied, "What's that saying? 'You always hurt the one you love..."

* ''[[EP100|Wherefore Art Thou, Pokémon]]''
: After the [[Ralph]]'s {{p|Nidoran♂|Nidoran♂ (Tony)}} and {{oi|Emily}}'s {{p|Nidoran♀|Nidoran♀ (Maria)}} kiss and evolve, {{Tracey}} comments about whether the battle or the kiss made them evolve. The idea of kissing embarrasses Misty and provokes Ash to ask the question, "Do people change when they get kissed?" after which Misty answers to him, "Guess we'll have to find out ourselves..." Earlier in the episode, Tracey compared the interaction between the Nidoran's trainers to the relationship between Misty and Ash (although both vehemently deny it).

*''[[EP101|Get Along, Little Pokémon!]]''
: As the storm comes Misty collapses from exhaustion and Ash is shown in the next scene to be holding her by the waist as he helps her to the safety of the rock.
: Misty yells, "Be careful, Ash!" before he goes to save the {{p|Magnemite}}. Misty has done this on many occasions.

* ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''
: This entire episode alone serves as conclusive evidence that Misty not only likes Ash but possibly has developed a case of young love for him. [[Rudy]], the [[Trovita Island]] Gym Leader, has a case of "love at first sight" with Misty after she saves his sister, [[Mahri]]. After several advances from Rudy, Misty agrees to what is essentially an impromptu date with Rudy, leaving Ash and Tracey to themselves.

: According to accounts of the original Japanese version, during the dance after the date, Rudy not only asked Misty to stay on the island, but to marry him. What is significant here is that Misty was actually considering his proposal, evidenced by the fact that she didn't refuse him outright. Throughout Ash's gym battle with Rudy, Misty is clearly torn between deciding which boy meant more to her, finally rooting for Ash in the end as {{AP|Squirtle}} is hit by a {{m|Thunderbolt}} from Rudy's {{p|Starmie}}. Rudy, in shock mutters, "She wants ''him.''"

*''[[EP110|The Stun Spore Detour]]''
:Every time that Tracey and Ash need attention Misty comes to Ash first or expresses more concern for Ash.

*''[[EP124|Snubbull Snobbery]]''
: Misty finds a star map, and Ash says, "I know where the stars are, Misty." Misty giggles and blushes after that remark.

*''[[EP170|A Better Pill To Swallow]]''
: When [[Old Man Shuckle]] gives Ash his medicine and the medicine explodes in Ash's stomach, Misty asks Old Man Shuckle what he gave Ash. He reveals that it was Pokémon medicine, and Misty gets really angry. She calms once Ash wakes up and says, "You know what? My stomach-ache is all gone!"

* ''[[EP185|The Light Fantastic]]''
: When Misty introduces Ash to [[Nurse Joy]], Joy quickly exclaims, "What a little cutie!" referring to {{AP|Pikachu}} on Ash's head. But Misty and Brock mistakenly think she's referring to Ash. Brock is left completely shocked, but Misty not only gets shocked, but quickly develops the same jealous expression she displayed when Melody flirted with Ash.

* ''[[EP188|Spring Fever]]''
:On this and many other occasions in the series, when Ash falls into Team Rocket's trap Misty (off camera) runs toward Ash and passionately grabs his arm to get him back to safety.

* ''[[EP198|The Heartbreak of Brock]]''
: After [[Temacu]] expresses her thoughts about marriage to Brock, Misty says to Ash, "You and I will be married someday too." And Ash nods his head without realizing what she had just said, and then shouts "WHOOA?" She could have easily meant that they would be married someday to different people, not necessarily to each other, but when Ash yelled out in shock Misty looked over at him with a shocked face that looked like she didn't mean to say that out loud. However, this is a dub edit. In the original, Misty said, "Looks like she fell for {{tt|Takeshi|Brock}} in first sight."

: While giving a pep talk to Brock about pursuing a possible relationship with Temacu, Misty says, "Take it from me, it's a lot easier to like someone who likes you than to like someone who doesn't." Brock then asks her, "How do you know?", after which Misty gasps, blushes, then coyly replies "Well that's...what I've heard..." She is not referring to Brock (much to the dismay of {{s|GymShipping|GymShippers}}), since she is openly encouraging Brock to pursue Temacu.

* ''[[EP267|Love, Pokémon Style]]''
: When [[Macey|Macy]] first invites Ash out to lunch, Misty quickly cuts in between the two and comments that Ash is "booked". Later in the same scene, Macy questions Misty's right to interrupt in Ash's personal affairs when she's not his girlfriend. Misty looks quite unimpressed as Macy continues to flirt with Ash.

* ''[[EP273|Gotta Catch Ya Later]]''
: The departure of Misty from the group is a very emotional affair. After all is said and done, Misty says to herself, "Well, Ash Ketchum, finally, I know how you feel about me".
:In this episode, Misty gives Ash her handkerchief. Apparently, in Japan that means that a girl cares for a boy. 
:Misty got her own good-bye song (which completely left Brock out). Ash was pretty clueless about how upset Misty was when they found out she had to leave, but when they actually parted, he did say that she’s his best friend, and cried when they left.

* ''[[SS011|A Date With Delcatty]]''
: In the original version, Misty initially rejects [[Georgio]] because there is "someone else". Taking into account of Misty's evident feelings in the series prior to this episode, it can be inferred that Misty is making a reference to Ash.

* ''Pokémon Live''
: In this show, Misty yearns to tell her feelings for Ash, but is too afraid to tell him.

====Various songs====
* ''[[Misty's Song]]'' is a song from the ''[[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]]'' soundtrack in which Misty sings that she loves Ash. She also says that she wants confess her love to Ash. This one of the strongest pieces of evidence for PokéShipping. Part of the song was played in the episode ''[[EP132|For Crying Out Loud]]'', although the canonization of the song is disputed.
**Ash does not have a song for Misty.
* On the ''[[Pokémon Christmas Bash]]'' CD there are two songs that show strong evidence of her feelings towards Ash.
**The first song on the CD entitled ''{{OBP|Pokémon Christmas Bash|song}}'' has the three main characters along with Team Rocket singing about what they want for Christmas. In Misty's stanza she sings "Hey Santa if you're really listenin' / My wishlist has only one thing / Just gimme one dance with Ash / At the Pokémon Christmas bash!".
**Another song on the CD called ''[[Under the Mistletoe]]'' has Misty singing about how she wants Ash to know her feeling for him and about how she wants to meet Ash under the mistletoe. On the other hand, Ash is singing about how he hopes to not to be caught under the mistletoe, although at first he doesn't move away- many fans claim this is shipping from Ash's side. Near the song's end, after leaving Ash feeling paranoid about the mistletoe, Misty has got Ash under the mistletoe. Ash realizes this, freaks out, and runs off to eat more cookies while leaving Misty wondering what his problem is.
* ''[[Toi et Moi]]'', the Japanese ending song of ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', references PokéShipping several times, all from Misty's perspective; in particular, the reference to saving the one she loves from drowning (as in the movie.)
* ''[[He Drives Me Crazy]]'' is a song from ''[[Totally Pokémon]]'' and ''[[Pokemon 3: The Ultimate Soundtrack]]'' that is sung from Misty's perspective, although it was not sung by [[Rachael Lillis]]. This song highlights the feelings that Misty has but does not understand. Many PokéShippers regard this song as having undeniable proof of Misty's feelings for Ash.

===Ash's hints===
Even PokéShippers will admit that Ash has not shown any overt proof of liking Misty beyond the already established platonic feelings. This reality often provokes Shippers opposed to PokéShipping—namely PalletShippers—to question Ash's sexual orientation, as well.

Naturally, PokéShippers believe Ash is heterosexual, and that he is capable of ''liking'' Misty. Furthermore, the theory also extends to the possible belief that Ash does love Misty, but is not mature enough to realize it. This idea is supported by the fact that Ash tends to act somewhat jealous when another guy shows interest in Misty or vice-versa, and the flirtatious tone of some of their teasing. This theory explains their bickering (to cover up how they really feel about each other) and it can be argued that Ash displays real feelings for Misty when she is vulnerable or scared.

* ''[[EP018|Beauty and the Beach]]''
: When Misty shows up, holding a beach ball along with her bathing suit on, Ash comments on how Misty looks like a girl for once. Later, when [[Moe]] yells at the group, Ash quickly hides behind Misty and holds her by the shoulders.

* ''[[EP020|Ghost of Maiden's Peak]]''[[File:Ashmistyholdhands.jpg|250px|thumb|Ash and Misty holding hands in ''[[EP020|Ghost of Maiden's Peak]]'']]
: Ash does a double take when Misty appears with her hair down and dressed in a formal kimono. Upon seeing her, the camera switches to his perspective, the bubbly background usually associated with passionate moments is used, romantic harp strings are played, and Misty's surprised facial expression clearly shows she is being looked at with interest. Also, the entire theme of the episode was romance-oriented, so it's only logical to assume this scene between Ash and Misty is as well.

*''[[EP028|Pokémon Fashion Flash]]''
: When Misty goes missing, Ash expresses extreme concern.

* ''[[EP052|Princess vs. Princess]]''
: Ash, thinking Misty is entering the Princess Festival Contest to take a picture with the movie star host, gets a little jealous, groaning with his arms crossed, "You must really want that picture with [[Fiorello Cappucino|Fiorello]]...". Surprisingly, Misty reassures him she's only doing it for the doll set. Ash, whether he's aware of it or not, feels threatened by the presence of another male in Misty's life. Also, when Misty was dressed in a kimono during the contest, Ash stared at her and said, "Ohhh...", but so did Brock.

* ''[[EP093|Navel Maneuvers]]''
: Climbing Navel Island's central mountain, Misty tells Danny the gym leader to be extra careful. Seeing how much concern Misty is giving to Danny, Ash with the same jealous expression yells, "What's she so worried about him for?!". He's distracted so much by Misty's little crush on Danny that he loses his concentration and falls down the mountain a bit. Much like his behavior in "Princess vs. Princess", another male getting Misty's attention seems to bother him. When Danny states, "What do they say, you always hurt the one you love?" Misty and Ash become extremely embarrassed. As Danny walks off, Misty runs up to him and says, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. I'd never get involved with a little kid like him. I prefer the more mature, intellectual type." Ash seems very disappointed after hearing that.

*''[[EP101|Get Along Little Pokémon]]''
: As the rain storm approaches and as Misty is unable to walk, Ash grabs Misty by the hand, arm and the rest of her body and leads her towards the cave. Afterwords, he stares at her with care in his eyes.

*''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''
: [[Rudy]] moves in to court Misty after she helps rescue his younger sister, [[Mahri]]. Ash is clearly put out by Rudy's behavior, and jealous when Misty is flattered by the attention. When Rudy compliments Misty about her beautiful eyes during his attack test, Ash gets distracted and accidentally calls Charizard. Rudy invites Misty to dinner, and Ash is shocked when she accepts and appears unhappy when she leaves. Later on, during the battle against Ash, Rudy looks at Misty and says "I dedicate this match the girl who saved my sister and stole my heart." Ash doesn't seem very happy and sarcastically replies, "That's real nice, but the victory is gonna be mine!" He gets a little antagonized with Misty when she tells him to beat Rudy, telling her he's not stupid, as if her recent behavior had upset and unsettled him.

: After Rudy presents Ash with his badge, he gives Misty some flowers, accepting her decision to stay with Ash. More importantly, he says, "I hope you know you're a very lucky guy, Ash." Ash cluelessly replies, "Lucky? What do you mean?" Rudy laughs and says, "You'll see some day." Ash just frowns in confusion. This incident supports the theory that Ash loves Misty, but he doesn't quite realize it yet. This is one of the stronger hints given that Misty and Ash may someday end up together.

*''[[EP121|Illusion Confusion]]''
: Ash expresses his horror when Misty is scared by illusions of Bug Pokemon, and gets angry with Hoothoot for running away, because it is the only one who can 'save Misty.'

*''[[EP132|For Crying Out Loud]]''
:When Misty, Pikachu, and [[Wilhelmina]]'s Marill are lost on an island and the others go to find them, Ash mutters, "Don't worry, we'll find Misty," not even mentioning Marill or his beloved Pikachu.

* ''[[EP216|Dueling Heroes]]''[[Image:Misty_lure.png|thumb|right|Ash displaying [[Misty's_special_lure|Misty's special lure]]]]
: Prior to Misty's battle, Ash wakes up to find Misty staring out the window. They have a little talk and after that, Ash continues to gaze at Misty silently.
: Brock comments about how Misty's battling style reminds him so much of Ash. Furthermore, Ash and Misty share similar victory poses when they win their round.

* ''[[AG044|The Princess and the Togepi]]''
: Upon showing Ash the invitation to the Togepi Festival, Ash gets excited and walks off happily. But Misty quickly pulls him back by the hood. Later on, when Misty gets abducted by Team Rocket, Ash is the first one to run after her.

*''[[AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime]]''
: When Max informs everyone that the nearest [[Battle Frontier]] facility is near Cerulean City, Ash is pleased that Misty is able to travel with him and the group for a while.

*''[[AG134|A Real Cleffa-hanger]]''
: May tries to befriend a Cleffa, but the Pokémon backs away from her in fright. Misty figures that it will talk to {{p|Azurill}}, and then Azurill jumps off her arms and starts playing with the Cleffa. Ash tells Misty how great her idea was.

: When the Ash and the gang looks for Misty, Max, and Pikachu, Ash is the one carrying Misty's Spheal bag.

*''[[AG187|The Unbeatable Lightness of Seeing]]''
:Ash is feeling down about losing but regains his confidence back when he receives gifts from his mother and his friends. He especially shows off Misty's special lure to Pikachu with a big smile on his face.

* ''[[DP034|Buizel Your Way Out of This]]''
: When Ash and the others are fishing, Ash uses the special lure Misty made for him. Dawn asks if she could use it, but Ash refuses, causing them both to argue. While they are distracted, a {{AP|Buizel}} comes and takes their lures, causing Ash to panic. He is determined to get the lure back, and once it is returned, he seems very happy and relieved.

==Movie evidence==
*''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''
: When Mewtwo throws Ash back with its psychic powers, Misty quickly runs up to him and asks if he's okay (Brock only stays put). At the ending, there's a scene of Ash, Misty, and Brock sleeping in their sleeping bags. Ash and Misty are placed conveniently near each other, while Brock's position is relatively away from them. When Ash is petrified by the fighting between Mew and Mewtwo, Misty murmurs "Please no" while Pikachu attempts to revive him.

[[Image:Jealousy.png|thumb|325px|right|Misty is clearly annoyed with Melody's flirting with Ash, even if it's unintentional.]]
* ''[[M02|The Power of One]]''
: In the Japanese trailer of the film, there was a scene that was animated specifically for that trailer. When Ash jumps down the cliff to save his Pikachu, Misty tries to follow him but Tracey holds her back. Misty looks completely distressed, as can be seen by her tears.

: P2K, otherwise known as 'The Power of One', or 'Revelation Lugia' is the conclusion to everything related to Misty's love for Ash in the Orange Season. In this movie, Misty gets competition in the form of Melody, the Festival Maiden of the Legend Ceremony. {{mov|Melody}}, upon greeting our heroes, immediately comes up to Ash and plants a kiss on his cheek, provoking a glare of jealousy from Misty. Also, after Melody's performance at the festival party, she quickly kneels in front of Ash and grabs hold of his arm, provoking Misty to gasp and growl again in subdued jealousy.

:Also, upon being called Ash's girlfriend, Misty blushes uncontrollably.

:Near the end, Misty openly admits to Melody that Ash is "her burden" and goes off to rescue him in Melody's place, stating that he'll never be alone as he'll always have her, which Melody respects (due to the constant debating between her and Misty of Misty liking Ash throughout the movie).

* ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest|Pokemon 4Ever]]''
: When our heroes are running from a Pokémon, Misty trips along the way. Ash (and Brock) run back to help her. They get to safety, at least for a little while, and all of a sudden some Pokémon appear to attack them. Ash runs in front of her and spreads his arms out to protect Misty.
:When Ash and Sammy are saved by Celebi and come down, Misty shouts, "Ash is okay!", not even mentioning Sam, Celebi, or Pikachu.

* ''[[M05|Pokemon Heroes]]''
: When [[Bianca]]/{{p|Latias}} kissed Ash on the dock, Misty was so shocked that not only did she develop the same jealous expression seen in the series, but she also dropped her {{TP|Misty|Togepi}}.

* ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]''
:On the last day of the comet's showing, Max is disappointed that he will have to part with Jirachi. Ash sits down with him by the river and reassures him that Jirachi will always will be in his heart. Ash tells him, "I had a really good friend, and I miss her every day." Many people would think this would be Misty. However this is in the dub only and can be argued. In the original, he only implies that he had many friends he needed to say goodbye to, not particularly a ''her''.

:In the Spanish language version, {{Ash}} says, "Sabes, yo extraño mucho a mi mejor amiga." It means ''I really miss my best friend'' (''amiga'' meaning a female friend, as opposed to ''amigo'', a male friend) He could very well be referring to Misty.

==Manga evidence==
===[[Electric Tale of Pikachu]]===
In the Electric Tale of Pikachu {{pkmn|manga}}, Ash has a huge crush on {{Gary}}'s older sister, [[Daisy Oak|May]]. However, there are some cases where Ash shows attraction towards Misty. He finds her eye-catching, especially when he first sees her in her Gym uniform, which happens to be a very sexy swimsuit (in the original). Another event is during a scene in a hot spring in the second volume (though the scene was cut from the American release of the manga).

Just like in the anime, [[Rudy]] also proposed to Misty, and Ash shows great deal of bitterness toward it.

==Other hints==
[[Image:Ashmisty and water pokemon.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A scan featuring Ash and Misty with Pokémon]]
For those already convinced about PokéShipping, there do exist events which suggest inconclusively, something along the lines of romance. But the difference between hints and proofs are that proofs are essentially ironclad and undebatable in contemporary debate, whereas hints are quite debatable, and are open to interpretation. The following is a listing of some that are considered to be debatable hints, all of which vary in strength and worth.

* ''[[EP005|Showdown at Pewter City]]''
: Misty is surprisingly eager to start a Pokémon-sharing relationship with Ash in this episode and gets very upset when Ash refuses. Later, while Ash is charging up Pikachu's electric sacs, Misty again offers help to Ash and gets snubbed. She then grumbles and says, "What do I care..." and runs off. Misty somewhat admits by her behavior and dialogue that she's really interested in getting to know him better.

* ''[[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]''
: Misty, at the beginning of this episode, continually keeps mentioning how "romantic" the surroundings are. She continues to do this not only in this episode, but subsequent episodes as well.

* ''[[EP007|The Waterflowers of Cerulean City]]''
: At the outskirts of [[Cerulean City]], Misty attempts to dissuade Ash from going into the city by tempting him to go to [[Vermilion City]]. She does so by mentioning the "neat Pokémon, the yachts pulling into the harbor, and a spot way up on a hill where you can sit and watch a romantic sunset". The mentioning of a romantic scene subtly suggests what she might have intended for all along, especially with how many times she's talked about romantic things in previous episodes.

* ''[[EP014|Electric Shock Showdown!]]''
: After Nurse Joy breaks up an argument between the two of them, she comments that they say when two people fight, they really care about each other; although Ash and Misty instantly reject the idea, they are both blushing slightly when they turn away from the other.

[[Image:Ash_lifting_Misty.png‎|thumb|250px|right|Ash's ghost lifting Misty up in the air in ''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]'']]
* ''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]''
: When Ash enters the tower alone to try and catch a Ghost Pokémon, and is subsequently briefly separated from his body, Misty is the first one of her and Brock to express concern about how long Ash and Pikachu are taking inside. When Ash hovers beside her in his ghost form and lifts her in the air, Misty is the only one who can hear him despite Brock standing only a foot or so away from her, potentially hinting at a closer bond between the two. Also, before Ash and Pikachu return to their bodies, Misty is visibly near to tears as she pleads for Ash to wake up, and blushes immensely when he wakes up and greets her.

* ''[[EP026|Pokémon Scent-sation!]]''
: Misty, unaware that Ash is disguised as a girl among the crowd and using the same girlish demeanor she used in "Ash Catches A Pokémon," dreamily admits to the group, "I wish Ash would've heard that story..." She openly is expressing a desire for Ash's presence.

: Also, during Ash's gym battle with [[Erika]], the girls in the crowd start acknowledging Ash's skill and how much more impressive he is than he looks, provoking Misty to smile with reassurance.

* ''[[EP035|The Legend of Dratini]]''
: At the beginning of the episode, Ash is marching and singing. Misty is right behind him and longingly stares at him until they reach the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] warden's house. After Ash sings out his last lines, Misty imitates his enthusiasm and sings her own lines as well. Of course, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

: Also, later in the episode, when Ash is about to dive in the water to grab the bomb that Team Rocket threw in there, Misty stops him, and says that it is too dangerous. Although this hint is under debate simply because it could be merely her worrying for Ash, (as a friend would do), she also sends down her Staryu to save Ash after he is down there for too long. And afterward, when he comes back up, Misty smiles and is thrilled that he is alive, with a blush apparent.

* ''[[EP043|March of the Exeggutor Squad]]''
: Misty goes into perhaps the most extreme fits of blushing in the history of the series, all provoked by a simple compliment from Ash about her skimpy stage outfit. No one blushes like that out of mere embarrassment. She clearly holds Ash's opinion of her in exclusive priority.

* ''[[EP045|The Song of Jigglypuff]]''
: As Jigglypuff begins singing in the woods, Ash and Brock are standing next to each other while Pikachu and Misty are sitting a couple feet away. After Jigglypuff is done singing, Brock and Pikachu are sprawled out asleep by themselves while Misty and Ash are slumped against each other. It might not have meant anything if the two were already standing by each other, in which case it would have just been convenient, but they weren't. Either they moved into this position because they are very comfortable with each other, or the director(s) might have just thrown this in to plant an idea. It is also interesting to note that when they wake up, Misty comments, "What a nice nap."

* ''[[EP061|The Misty Mermaid]]''
: At the end of this episode, Ash tells Misty how amazing she was at her performance of the underwater play. Misty disproportionately calls Ash's comments "sweet talk" and reminds him of the bike he owes her, something she supposedly forgot about back on [[Cinnabar Island]].

* ''[[EP068|Make Room for Gloom]]''
: Upon arriving at the Xanadu Nursery, Brock spies on a pretty girl behind the window, after which Ash comes to look and says he doesn't see a pretty girl. Misty then says, "Just turn around" and giggles, clearly addressing Ash. Ash then jokes about her hallucinating, then starts chuckling.

: Ash, finally spotting a {{p|Gloom}} behind the window, asks Brock if "he's getting 'misty' over a gloom," This causes Misty to pull Ash's mouth wide with her fingers and ask him what is he saying about her, mistaking Ash's 'misty' comment with herself. Both seem to be blushing in the midst of their playfulness.

* ''[[EP077|Fourth Round Rumble]]''
: While watching Ash's match on the grass field in the spectator stands with Brock, Misty becomes particularly vocal whenever Brock shows signs of attraction for Ash's current opponent [[Jeanette Fisher]], yelling at Brock to remember whose side he is meant to be on. She also feels sorry for Ash when his mother and Professor Oak show up to tell him that all of Pallet Town is now rooting for him, recognizing the increased pressure this will put Ash under.

* ''[[EP155|Forest Grumps]]''
: At the beginning of the episode, Ash and Misty are surprisingly close to one another while tending to their Pokémon. Brock on the other hand is away from them asleep behind a tree.

: Upon reunion, Ash and Misty exclaim each other's names in joy while the camera focuses on their faces. What's interesting to note is how the scripting and animation seem to focus just on their reunion alone.

* ''[[AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime]]''
: When Ash finally arrives home after his travels in Hoenn, he finds Misty at his house. She makes a point of being there, specifically so that she could see Ash as soon as he arrived back from Hoenn even though she apparently has no idea how soon exactly he would be returning. For all she knew, she could have been expecting a wait spanning multiple weeks.
: Azurill is a good excuse to go down there but it does not explain her behavior:
:*Why did she stay at Ash's mother's house, and not at Oak's laboratory?
:*Why was she waiting at Ash's mother's house for days and days for Ash's arrival, especially given that they didn't know exactly how long Ash would take to return?
:*Why was she so concerned about getting to see Ash as soon as he arrived?
:*How can her somewhat wistfully delivered line of how Ash is the same as always be explained?
:*Why couldn't she have simply delayed her trip down there until Ash had already arrived?

* ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]''
: Ash considers Misty as a rival at times and, when given the chance, he likes showing off to impress her. In this special episode, Ash receives an invitation from [[Dr. Yung]]. Upon reaching the mansion of Dr. Yung, he is surprised to see Misty and Professor Oak there. As Misty proceeds on asking me why he is there, Ash waves the invitation in front of him in an attempt to show off, saying that he got invited because of his great skills as a trainer. Misty stays composed and shows her own invitation, telling him that she also got invited, which surprises Ash.

: When Dr. Yung asks Ash and Misty to battle, Ash quickly expresses his excitement only to be foiled by Misty. The Gym Leader reminds Ash of his manners and says "Ladies first!" while winking an eye at him.

: In order to save Professor Oak, Ash decides to sneak into the castle through underwater. He could have chosen May or Max to come with him, but he chose Misty.

[[File:Spurt Card Ash loves Misty.png‎|thumb|250px|Misty and Delia, featured on the Queen of Hearts Card in the tenth Japanese OP, ''[[Spurt!]]'']]
* ''[[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master]]
: In the first ever opening theme song of the Pokémon anime, there is a scene where the Ash and {{ashfr|his friends}} are in a forest by a campfire. It's an interesting note to see Ash and Misty sitting very close to each other, while Brock is quite far from them, sitting on the other side.

* ''[[Spurt!]]''
: In the fifth and final opening theme song for the Japanese Advanced Generation Pokémon anime series, Misty was shown in a "Queen of Hearts" card together with [[Delia Ketchum]]. One could say the two girls in the card likely represent the more important females in Ash's life.

* ''[[Under the Mistletoe]]''
: This song includes hints from both. Ash sings about that he is happy tonight and Misty sings about she knows she will meet her true love under the mistletoe. Later during this song, Misty comments that she and Ash stand under the mistletoe. Also, both sing they want to tell something to [[Santa Claus|St. Nicholas]]. However, when they are both under the mistletoe Ash runs off.

*Misty constantly yelled at and insulted Ash through out the show, and is an example of the hiding of feelings for children of that age, however depending on how much older they have gotten since they had met, this may or may not be a very big clue.

*Every time that Ash has a near-death-experience or Misty thinks that Ash is dead, she expresses extreme anguish, almost to the extent of sobbing.

*When Jigglypuff sings its song, Misty and Ash are often seen leaning against each other in their sleep.

==Alternate names==
PokéShipping, as with many of the more popular Ships, is known by a variety of different names. Following the emergence of PokéShipping from amongst these as the de-facto standard, the other names have become associated with certain groups within the PokéShipping fandom, or certain methods of shipping. A prominent few are detailed below.

* '''GakiShipping''' - An early term coined around the same time as TwerpShipping, the name was originally meant to be descriptive of both Ash & Misty being ''gakis'' (Gaki being a somewhat rude way to refer to a child in Japanese), but has since evolved to describe the actual shipper, and is now used only in an insulting manner towards shippers (not necessarily just PokéShippers) who use flimsy evidence to support their position, or otherwise act childish, especially when referring to their supported 'ships.

* '''SatoKasu''' - The original (Japanese) term for the ship, using the standard Japanese naming method of combining the first 2 characters from each characters name, starting with the dominant character.

* '''SakaShipping''' - Another early name for the pairing, from '''Sa'''toshi and '''Ka'''sumi.

* '''BikeShipping''' - this name refers to Ash and Pikachu breaking Misty's bike, and is among the least used of all names for this pairing.

* '''SushiShipping''' - from Ka'''su'''mi and Sato'''shi'''. Combining portions of the characters' names to form words was common early on, but now is hardly ever used.

* '''TwerpShipping''' - The original (English) name for the ship, the term is currently used primarily only amongst users on TRHQ, and by those who primarily associate themselves with {{s|RocketShipping}}.

* '''AAML''' - Standing for Ash And Misty Love. Also '''AAMRN''', Ash And Misty Romance Novel.

==Trivia==
* The both of them have held hands a couple of times in the series and when they do, the camera focuses on their hands for a moment.
* They have battled against each other twice for the ownership of a Pokémon: {{p|Togepi}} and {{p|Totodile}}.
* The two have shared similar victory poses in the series. Where imitation is known to be the ultimate form of flattery.
* [[Ash's Pikachu]] took a liking to Misty very early in the show. [[Professor Oak]] and other characters have stated that Pokémon reflect the feelings of their Trainers.

==Notable PokéShippers==
*{{an|Daisy}}
*[[Tracey Sketchit]]
*{{mov|Melody}}
*[[Danny]]
*[[Nurse Joy]]
*[[Jessie]], [[James]] & {{MTR}}
*[[Brock]]

==On Bulbagarden forums==
* [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=34915 PokéShipping Discussion Thread]

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