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Talk:White Treehollow

2012-10-21T00:08:43Z

Luxraychu: Created page with "Honestly, I need help on this page. Please upload pictures- I'm not very goo at this whole thing, and attempted to give this a kick start."

Honestly, I need help on this page. Please upload pictures- I'm not very goo at this whole thing, and attempted to give this a kick start.

White Treehollow

2012-10-21T00:07:51Z

Luxraychu: Created page with " White forest is a battle 'arena' of sorts exclusive to Pokemon white 2. There are ten areas, each with a variety of trainers, and including a gate trainer and a boss trainer..."

White forest is a battle 'arena' of sorts exclusive to Pokemon white 2. There are ten areas, each with a variety of trainers, and including a gate trainer and a boss trainer. The unlock the next area, the player must first defeat the boss trainer. The black 2 counterpart of white tree hollow is Black tower.

Talk:Stat-enhancing item

2011-10-02T22:50:48Z

Luxraychu: /* Light ball */

==A question...==
Say you were to give a Light Ball to Raichu, or the Lucky Punch to Blissey. As they are evolved forms of the Pokémon those items are intended for, would they get the beneficial effects, too? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] 01:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Raichu does not gain the stat boosts, but I am unsure of the Lucky punch[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|C is for Cookie]] 02:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Quick Powder ==

Are you sure that Quick Powder is in G/S/C? I always thought it was only in D/P. I've never heard of Quick Powder until Diamond and Pearl came out. [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 18:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Light Ball ==

I remember reading somewhere that the Light Ball affects Pichu as well as Pikachu. I don't remember at all where I read this, and I gotta know, is this true? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 21:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== You can't get Light Ball from any wild Pikachu in FireRed/LeafGreen... ==

I captured around 50 Pikachus from both the Viridian Forest and the Power Plant but didn't find any one of them holding any item. No Light Ball and even Oran Berry.

Can you guys please edit this page as well as the held_items page to append the RSE signs on the Light Ball? I haven't done any editing yet so I don't know how this works. I've already confirmed this on other sites. Light Ball doesn't drop in FireRed/LeafGreen. {{unsigned|StarMars}}

== So there's this item... ==

So, um, 'some sources' call this item the "evolution stone" that ups Def and SD for "pre-evolved" pogeys. Sooo....no word on it? Or would it not be on this page? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:It would go here... but I've never heard of it. (Which is probably because it's not on here.) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::It's called the Miracle of Evolution(しんかのきせき), sells for 100 yen, and has the descriptions:

::しんかの　ふしぎな　かたまり。 もたせると　しんかまえ　ポケモンの ぼうぎょと　とくぼうが　あがる。

::進化の　不思議な　かたまり。 持たせると　進化前　ポケモンの 防御と　特防が　あがる。

::A mysterious clump of evolution. If it is held by a Pokémon that can evolve*, it raises Defence and Sp. Def..
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>=literally, 'If it is held by a Pokémon pre-evolution' but if I put that it reads like it raises the stats upon evolution to me, and I can't think of any other better phrasing...
::I forget where you get it though. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 23:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:::You find it in Hiun City, the furthest street away from the south entrance. I got it entering one of the buildings and talking to someone on the first floor. Yes, I'm the dork who still talks to people I can't understand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Ah, right, I found him. The researcher in the northernmost building. I've already received it, but what he still says to me is: "The Miracle of Evolution is great! Wow! The defence and special defence of the Pokémon that holds it go up! ......but it only shows its effects on the pre-evolution* state of evolving Pokemon, it certainly is a mysterious thing." [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 00:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Soul Dew inaccurate info? ==

I posted this on the [[Soul Dew]] article long ago:

"The article says this item boosts Lati@s' Sp.Def and Sp.Atk by 50%... is that real? cause my brother got the Eon Ticket, caught Latios, and there seems not to be an offensive boost. Serebii says that Latios receives a boost in Sp.Def and Latias gets Sp.Atk, but even Latias doesn't seem to receive THAT boost (of 50%).

The questions are: Do they REALLY get a 50% boost in both Special stats? Where did that info come from? or maybe, does Latios only receive a 50% boost in Sp.Def and Latias in Sp.Atk?"

No one has seemed to respond... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Light ball ==

The item discreption for the light ball says that it doesn't appear in black and white, while there is dream world art. So does it or does it not appear in the dream world?

Talk:Stat-enhancing item

2011-10-02T22:25:53Z

Luxraychu: /* Light ball */ new section

User talk:Kenji-girl/Archive 21

2011-09-04T16:33:17Z

Luxraychu: /* So what do I do...? */

{{:User talk:Kenji-girl/Archive directory}}

== Weee... first! ==

Anyway, just noticed the English opening theme for recent episodes aren't hidden. Aren't they normally hidden until a US date is revealed (even if they normally start a new season in the 50's)? Kinda forgot. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 10:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
:Think someone just went and decided they were to be unhidden sometime ago. As they didn't like that they had to unhide it. You can just leave them as is. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

==The Summer Academy==
So Kenji, I got a bunch of pictures of all the wild Pokémon around the [[Pokémon Summer Academy]] and I'm going to add the template to the page. I have a question about the Ghost-types that appear around the area, however. Should I place the list of Ghost-types in the Pokémon Academy page itself, or in the [[Summit Ruins]], since they were in the woods around it? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 02:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:Summit Ruins --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

==Flamethrower or Overheat==
Here I am again, asking your opinion on a move. In Victini and the black hero, Reshiram uses Flamethrower when it first reveals itself to Ash and co, well, I listed it as Flamethrower, but the flame was much bigger than when Emboar used it earlyer in the movie and their were flames swirling off of it. What do you think, Flamethrower or Overheat? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 13:22, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:Can't make a judgement unless I see it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFBfmnQLXTk&feature=related About 10:58] [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 01:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:::10:58 shows Pikachu using Thunderbolt... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:41, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
::::...and then about 3 seconds later Reshiram comes in with its attack [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 01:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Can't tell one way or the other. You should probably leave it blank until DVDs come out and we have a higher quality video. {{unsigned|Kenji-girl}}

== Heeey? ==

Heeey are you an admin? could you unlock my userpage so I can edit it please? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 11:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== CoTD ==

You might want to look at the Best Wishes section for the [[Character of the day]] page. [[Avery]], [[Professor Icarus]] and some other people on there have only befriended/adopted Pokémon on the list even though they shouldn't be listed. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's fine. They can be listed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== Gaahh ==

I'm having a slight mental crisis. D: When do you think you'll be able to come online? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
:I guess now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== So what do I do...? ==

So, you deleted my comment on the Gba sp talk page, so where do I direct my question? [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 22:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC) Wikipedia? Other sites? Or am I doomed?
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195 Forums] maybe. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Done. Feel free do delete this. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 16:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Kenji-girl/Archive 21

2011-09-03T22:46:34Z

Luxraychu: /* So what do I do...? */ new section

Talk:Reshiram (Pokémon)

2011-09-03T16:44:56Z

Luxraychu: /* EV */

== Possible coincidental origin? ==

(No idea what to title this section) I know that we know almost absolutely nothing on the actual origins of Reshiram and Zekrom, but ever since noticing that Zekrom is in White and Reshiram is in Black, it sorta brought me to mind of the concept of {{wp|Yin and yang}}. This is probably just coincidence and means absolutely nothing, but something I decided to bring up nonetheless. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 00:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's been on a lot of people's minds since the game names were out. But with the switched legendaries, maybe we can look more into it.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 00:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::We have very limited information right now, and I think anything we post now will be speculation at best. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If you look at a Yin and Yang symbol, you'll see that each color has a dot of the opposite color inside. [[User:Puceron|Puceron]] 01:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Maybe it´s just a coincidence. I think we will have to wait until the release of the games for further details. [[User:D.hgss|D.hgss]] 08:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I was going to write about it and let TT or Werd write about it on the page. I support you, Mudkipchan!-[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 05:42, 03 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Well, considering the pair are the "Black Yin" and "White Yang" Pokémon, I think that this is pretty much confirmed and should be added as their origins. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon ==

I know that the Daisuke club called them the legendary dragon pokemon, but since we don't have officially published types listed as such, isn't kind of jumping the gun a bit to already list them as dragon types when they quite possibly could have secondary types as well? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:We're a Wiki Ryuu, we list what information we have as of '''now'''. At the moment, we know they're {{type2|Dragon}}s, so we'll keep it at that until more info becomes available.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 06:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::Was it ever actually said they're Dragon-''type''? Or just dragons? They could be like Gyarados or Charizard...[[User:Reign|Reign]] 07:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::Prematurely publishing information weakens the credibility of Bulbapedia as a resource. [[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 07:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, someones got to edit that bit out because WE DO NOT KNOW THERE OFFICIAL TYPING. Why does everyone just assume that they will be Dragon-type because they were described as "Legendary Dragon Pokemon" like a Pokedex entry would state. Where the --- is a mod. --[[User:Mackinz|Yusuke SS]] 20:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==Reshiram won't be Black exclusive==
I do belive that in the obtain section It shouldent say Black olny because we all know after we encounter the mascot we always encounter the mascot of the twin game later on {{unsigned|Megamaxxor}}
:Patterns and traditions aren't always guarantees. We're getting a female professor this time around, so I rest my case. Also, I don't think you could get Groudon in Sapphire and vice versa.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 13:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::This is only true for GS/HGSS AFAIK. Like PokeLova said, you can't get Dialga in Pearl and Palkia in Diamond, can you? Or Groudon in Sapphire/Kyogre in Ruby? Nope. At any rate, we aren't adding any information like that to the article unless it's 100% confirmed by a {{tt|reliable source|in b4 Serebii.net doesn't count}}. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 14:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::That's not true. Charizard can be received in both U.S. Blue and JP Green through starter methods. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::For your kind information, it's obvious that we can get charizard in both versions because it's a starter. Reshiram and Zekrom are not starters + they are legendaries and like previous legendary mascot featured games, {{tt|they can be obtained in a single game only.| It's pretty obivious, duh.}} ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I was just replying to them saying it was only possible in GS and HGSS. I know it is a starter, and that is how that would happen. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, oopz. {{tt|My bad|sorry :D}}. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry SS id my first pokmon game and befor I got it I asked a friend witch one I should get becasue of the legndarys he that it wouldent matter because I could get both if I worked at it he told thats the wasy it wokred in past games so I thought he ment all but as it turns out he must have ment G/S--[[User:Megamaxxor|Megamaxxor]] 14:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the article should state either way until it has been confirmed. Although version mascots aren't normally available in the opposite versions, they are in Gold and Silver, so it's not unheard of. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 19:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:I second that, we don't know for sure if he's exclusive to Black at this point and to say he is is just as assumptive as to say he isn't.--[[User_talk:Jack Harkness|J.Harkness]] 20:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that Suicune while being a legendary mascot for Crystal was also available in Gold, Silver, LeafGreen, FireRed, HeartGold, and SoulSilver, it has appeard far beyond it's own game. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 1:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Reshiram has to be black exclusive because N captures and uses Reshiram in his team in White, and does the opposite in Black with Zekrom. He is seen flying away on Reshiram/Zekrom at the end of the game.--[[User:Dillard70|Dillard70]] 21:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Physiology for the admins to implement==
Reshiram is a white-colored, bipedal Pokémon of indefinable but seemingly draconic basis, with some of the avian features of feathers. Reshiram’s snout is mammalian in appearance, most resembling something vulpine or even canine. Streaming out from the upper side of the snout and outward from the head is a long, voluminous wispy mane, the top of which forms a spike or small head-crest of some sort. Reshiram’s face is fringed with spiky features, with one small, pointed extension of it below the chin.

Reshiram’s neck is long and slender, with a collar-esque protrusion of fur or feathers seeming held in place by two somewhat glass-like neck-bands, with similar bands present on the “wrists” of Reshiram’s forelimbs. Reshiram’s forelimbs are expansive, wing-like appendages or some unusual sort of wings themselves; the beginning portions of the limbs are slender and generally conventionally arm-like, but flare out into a more wing-like, feathered section farther on the limb, sporting four claws on the leading edge. On Reshiram’s chest is a feathered feature most similar in shape to a Silver Wing, with the lower portion protruding outward to a point. Long feathers spread out from Reshiram’s thighs, its feet with large claws---three in front, and the one in the back positioned at an angle somewhat like high heels. Reshiram’s tail is a thick mass of a centermost plume and ribbon-like secondary extensions, surrounded by two large bands.

(Reshiram is some feat to describe, which is why I split the description into two paragraphs.) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Update note - There's an important feature that most people tend to not notice. Reshiram's 'tail' looks uncannily like a traditional fire torch, only without colour and turned on its side. This feature no doubt is the only sort of physical inclination of the Pokemon's fire type. The central plume being the flame and the rings being the metal barriers. - Comfy Shorts (user)
:Also, in a recent trailer, Reshiram was seen shooting flames out of its tail thing, so that should probably go under Physiology or Abilities. Evidence: Towards the end of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqwvp97hl4&feature=player_embedded this] video, the 3D versions of Reshiram and Zekrom are seen in their awakening sequence. Reshiram is shooting flames out of his arse, and Zekrom's little motor thing is generating electricity. [[User:Tailzfoxy96|Tailzfoxy96]] 01:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== zoroark listing ==

So, how do we know that Zoroark will come right before Reshiram? Should we not have a ??? beside them?[[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 00:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:This needs to be changed. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 06:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Resistance to ice ==

If the Dragon/Fire typing is true, wouldn't that mean that, along with Dialga, Palkia, and Kingdra, this is one of the few dragon types that does not suffer double damage from ice?--[[User:Grammernatzi|Grammernatzi]] 08:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. The typing has been confirmed, so it take neutral damage from Ice-type moves. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Name Origin? ==
Does anyone think that the "Re" in Reshiram could be taken from the Chinese 熱 ''rè'' (meaning "heat" or "hot")? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 13:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:It's possible. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was looking through names, and came across Rishima, which means 'moonbeam' in Hindi. I find that interesting. (name and definition at http://www.20000-names.com/moon_names.htm ) [[User:Temsol|Tem]][[User talk:Temsol|sol]] ([[User:Temsol|Temsol]] 00:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)) 7:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That could work. It could also be from 日 ''rì'' (sun) and/or 月 ''{{tt|yuè|pronounced as r-ye}}'' (moon). [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 06:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
probably.telling by the full name translation, (Yet to be provided),it must mean that. ♪♫The ΩredcloverΩ 17:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)♫♪

== Trivia to be added ==

Reshiram is the only [[Pokémon]] to have a Dragon/Fire typing --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 14:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:Reshiram is also the only [[Fire (type)|Fire]] type Pokémon without red, yellow, or orange in its color scheme. That could be added as well. -- [[User:TusSocks145|TusSocks145]] 02:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
::when flames go their hottest they turn white...theres a reason why it's that color other than the yin yang thing...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually the hottest flames are blue /nitpicking [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 07:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::::The term "white-hot" refers to [http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescence incandescence], the emission of light from a hot body due to its temperature. Dunno if that works or not. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 07:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if this is trivia or not, but is there a reason Reshiram's and Zekrom's origins are on the legendary Pokemon page and not on their own pages? It seems like it should be on their respective pages somewhere. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
:The origins on these pages are actually different. The origins here refer to the real life counterpart/inspiration or whatever it is the design of these Pokémon is based on. The origin you seem to be talking about is related to the story itself, so they would not appear here. (At least not under the origin's section, which has a different meaning here). —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

There is also an error in the origin section. It says it's tail is like a turbine, which is the tail of Zekrom, not Reshiram. Reshiram's is based off of a torch. [[User:Yonkomother|Yonkomother]] 00:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:That is not an error. [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 It is stated here by Sugimori] that their tails are based on electric turbines. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Should it be mentioned that Reshiram resembles a wyvern? ==

It even goes down to feathers (although I can't confirm if the image I found is fake, so it may be good to assume wyverns aren't feathered until a guaranteed source is found). However, every depiction of a wyvern I have found has shown them to have two wings and two legs, like Reshiram --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 20:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Number ==

Serebii has just confirmed that Reshiram will be #643 [[User:AdamRS92|AdamRS92]] 14:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Warning. You will get loads of people saying "Serebii doesn't confirm anything". '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

==Moves obtainable by breeding==
Same deal as with Zekrom. No eggs means no egg moves. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Clouds? ==

Reshiram and its counterpart {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}}. Appearance wise, it resembles a mix of animals, including a bird, a {{wp|canid}} such as a fox or a wolf, and a {{wp|Wyvern}} . The crest on its head and its feathers are references to clouds as well as white {{wp|fire}}, which can burn up to temperatures of 1,500 °C (2,730 °F). To further this connection with fire and combustion, its tail resembles a rocket engine.

Where are you getting clouds from Resh's crest? It looks more like a smoke trail than a cloud.

Reshiram and its counterpart {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}}. Appearance wise, it resembles a mix of animals, including a bird, a {{wp|canid}} such as a fox or a wolf, and a {{wp|Wyvern}} . The crest on its head and its feathers resembles a smoke trail as well as white {{wp|fire}}, which can burn up to temperatures of 1,500 °C (2,730 °F). To further this connection with fire and combustion, its tail resembles a rocket engine.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I always thought it's tail looked more like a torch. {{unsigned|Mewtwomaster}}

== Not Required for Storyline Progression ==
'''WARNING: Spoilers for Black and White Versions follow!!!'''

On this article and on [[Zekrom (Pokémon)]], it states that the two legendaries are required for capture in Black and White respectively in order to proceed through the game. According to Serebii.net, however, this is FALSE! They state that if you have a full party and PC (all 18 boxes), then you can proceed without catching either. They are later available in Dragon Spire Tower at Lv. 50. Both have a chance of being shiny, but not when fought in N's Castle. This was supposedly stated in the recently published official guide for Black and White. For verification, please see [http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/legendary.shtml this] and scroll down to Reshiram/Zekrom's section. If this is factual, then we should change the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom accordingly. - [[User:The Pokémon Master|The Pokémon Master]] 20:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
:Interesting. I don't know how to set this up, but if you have an idea, go and do it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::The Trivia says that it has no chance of being Shiny, ever. Should we add on that Dragon Spiral Tower bit?--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 01:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I believe it was found otherwise, but I'm not sure how it works anymore. I've people saying that the Dragon Spiral Tower one can't be Shiny, while others say that it can. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Censorship ==
Would it be right to add to the trivia that numerous times, Reshiram has been censored to exclude the tuft of hair on its crotch that can be seen to resemble a penis? This happened with the Macy float, and when Official Nintendo Magazine in the UK featured Reshiram on the issue of their February 2011 issue, they placed the "Pokémon Black Version" logo in a way that it covered the tuft. This is also interesting, considering how Ken Sugimori said that Reshiram was supposed to be feminine.
:I don't know about all of those instances, but I'd assume that the float was just a design limitation and the version logo placement isn't necessarily censorship - it has to be placed somewhere. Are there any official sources saying they intentionally censored the image? [[User:Jazzmoth|ʝɑzzmotɦ]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|❝❞]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎]] 21:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's also not officially confirmed that Porygon family are banned in the anime or Kadabra in the TCG, but we still mention them.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 18:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
:::But we don't call them banned, we say that they haven't appeared in the TCG/anime since, and offer the most likely explanation. Also, the reason ONM covered it up is because the boxart does too, and has the logo in the same position as Black's. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

==Electric turbine==
The part about his tail in every article is wrong. There is no such thing as an electric turbine. That would be called a motor. Just please call it a turbine or steam or gas turbine. {{unsigned|Todus}}
:[http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 It is stated here by Sugimori] that their tails are based on electric turbines. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Why is this deleted? ==

In the Japanese versions of Pokémon Black and White, Reshiram is known as the White Yang Pokémon.

Is it unpleasant to esteem the original? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

:We usually don't list what the original species names are in trivia. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
::And they can be found [[Species#Generation V|here]].----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 08:23, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Why is information isolated? It is appropriate to explain on Pokemon's page(Trivia). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Can you not read the banner at the top? Do not add any trivia. Also, please use the preview button so that you do not edit the same sentence several times.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 21:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
::::: Thank you for the instruction. If the restriction is released, may I describe it again?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]]
::::::The species name changes all the time, so even if the restriction is released you cannot put it in again. The only time a changed species name should be pointed out is when the new one does not make sense or is completely random.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 02:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

::::::: Is it a rule of Bulbapedia?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== EV ==

Do Reshi and Zeky give EVs? And I mean the N Castle one. This isn't said anywhere, and I'm curious.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 00:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Because it doesn't faint and then disappear, I would a good time for training for attack evs. Now I'm interested. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 16:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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== Diameon ==
Err... can't you provide a description of what Diameon is? --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 18:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Wow, This is convenient. This pic is basically Diameon but not brown. http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/archive/index.php/thread-76829-10.html
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Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
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! Trio
! Master
! Relation
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| [[File:Legendary_birds.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| [[File:GenIII_Battle.jpg|100px]] [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Regis.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| [[File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg|100px]] [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
|}
:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
''
"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions they gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that Kyurem's base stat total is lesser than that of zekrom and reshiram, so there might be a new one to fill that void as it would be hard for it to control those other two. Just a thought, mind you. We'll all find out eventually. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Whenever I join in a conversation, it dies. Awww... [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Lake Trio ==
Is it possible Cresselia is the master of the Lake Trio? As stated above, in the Real History section, Cresselia did (possibly) create the trio, and as quoted from Cresselia's page, "Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the Lake guardians." It seems they also used the same shades of the above colors. In addition, they are all Psychic type. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hello? I would like an answer. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Even if it is, there is not enough evidence that Cresselia is the Lake Trio's master. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Luxraychu

2011-08-30T18:46:29Z

Luxraychu: /* Razeon */

==Myself==
First off, I know. Luxraychu? Stupid user name. Obviously, One of my favorites is Luxray, but my other isn't any of
Pichu family. It should be my family nickname, Snorlax! Man, my user should be luxax or snorlux. You know, snorlux doesn't sound so bad. So those are my loves, but I do like eeveeloutions. My personal favorite is leafeon. However I feel the need to share some of my ideas for
future ones. I will add this section in a bit. Before I figure out the banana to add those cool side things that tell people about me, I'll say this. I'm male, In my teens, and stared to game pokemon when I picked up pokemon emerald version. My starter was torchic. I then got pokemon
platinum, and choose turtwig. Then, heart gold and Cyndaquil. Finally, I got Black and choose Oshawott. I'm also a major
hacker, and I have an AR dsi. I use it for shiny's, and collecting event pokemon that I missed.
My favorite shiny is espeon, and by extension my favorite color is green. I'm Canadian and I live in ontario. In heart gold I
have caught every single one. Call me cheesy, but my favorite legendary is Arceus.
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{{User Atheist|150}}
{{User Action Replay}}
{{User Cats|510}}
{{User Lost Game}}
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== Eeveeloutions ==

As I've said, and as you might have guessed, I'm not all that good at wikicode, so I am incapable of making a table. So, I'll just list off my ideas.
===Razeon===
When a male eeve is leveled up in a certain place (the same as for the evoulotion of Diameon)evee will become the steel type razeon becomes Razeon. It body is mainly grey, with ears resembling blades, and tail similar to the one skarmory has. Its highest stat would be defense.
===Diameon===
With jagged multicolored crystal producing from a brown body, she is the rock type eeveeloution. When she is leveled up in a certain place as a female eevee, she becomes this. It would have a high special defense, with jagged crystal ears and a sleek brown tail with out crops of crystal.

Talk:Black City

2011-08-29T17:28:37Z

Luxraychu: /* Intro */

== What do you men by number of days?==
total play time in hours or lets say I starterted on june 13 and finished on the 20th. and if the second, does the population increase as time goes by, or does it decrease? Please help me!! [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

==Mother reference==
Black city resembles a cross of Moonslide from Earth bound and New Pork City from Mother 3, and White forest looks like the Sunshine forest also from Mother 3. Possibly useful for trivia?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:No, because minor visual similarities like this really aren't notable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Mistreatment ==

It's really annoying how Bulbapedia treats Black City as a normal city and always groups it with other cities. This doesn't fit this place's real role at all. And it fails to present the most important thing - that Black City is a counterpart to White Forest. It's really nosense to group Black City with cities/towns just because it has "City" in the name. It's actually a dungeon, like White Forest. Black City and White Forest belong together. The current treatment of Black City really, really bugs me. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== What happens without any people? ==
Back when I played Black in Japanese when it came out, I took ages to get to Black City, and so by the time I got there, everything was gone. Even the Market. All that was there was the Pokemon Center and the odd unenterable buildings in the top left. Yet when I tried to edit the article to show this, I got reverted by Han Ji-Wan. There obviously is some way to not have a market, as the guide shows a Black City without one (page 208), and I had a Black City without a market for 5 months or so. So I guess, could anyone confirm what makes the market disappear and edit the article accordingly? I've tried time travelling just now but can't seem to empty out the city for some reason. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops. My bad. I just undid your edit without thinking. I apologize for that. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, alright, thanks. Ignore the first part of my newest edit summary then, sorry, I didn't see you had reverted. Would be a bit pointless for there to be a market that didn't sell anything because there was nobody visiting though, I guess. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 04:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:::See I don't think this is all true as I came into the City with three trainers and still no market.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 22:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::So what exactly is not true? My original point was that there were times when there is no market, which seems to also be your point. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 13:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::The article says when you have one or more trainers that the market appears. I have entered the city with 3 trainers. No Market. I am trying to find out how to unlock the Market.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 18:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Ah, derp. Didn't notice that. How's this, since we don't know the exact number at the moment? If it helps, the game of mine with the least amount of trainers currently has eight trainers and has the market. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Cool. I will update when I find out how many trainers it takes. Don't know how long that will take though, as I don't know anyone here with the White Version.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 20:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I added NPCs one by one and the market appears with 4 or more NPCs.
::::::::[[User:Nuzzle|Nuzzle]] 00:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

== Number of residents not accurate ==

"The number of residents can vary between 12 (minimum occupancy) and 45 (maximum occupancy), 12 of them being Trainers at the maximum."

That is patently false. The minimum number of residents is 0, plain and simple, as demonstrated by the previous comments. I have no idea where the 12 comes from but I have 0 residents and I have seen on the internet a lot of reports of 3-11 residents.

Also, it would be great to indicate that the number of people in the city '''decreases''' over time, rather than increasing as one would assume from the current formulation.

[[User:Magicguigz|Magicguigz]] 19:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:The twelve comes from counting the people there when there are no visiting trainers. If as you say there were 0, even the Pokémon Center would be empty. Also, there can be between 0-10 visiting trainers, never 11. And it doesn't seem to make me think it increases, since usually any min-max is listed that same way, minimum then maximum, though that could be just my opinion. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 21:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::Bluesun is correct. The 12 people number are the ones that are permanent, such as the Pokemon Center and the gate buildings. However, I don't know anything about it decreasing/increasing over time because I don't have Black Version yet. I will fix it if it is wrong once I get Black. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Some Trainers ==

Hello! I just want to start off by asking if anyone can add the male Ace Trainer with the Magmortar? I don't know how...

Second, when my game's season changed to Winter, I lost a bunch of trainers and the mall, and the buildings in town changed dramatically. I didn't get the chance to visit my brother's White Forest last month to try inviting more trainers- is that the reason? Now it's Spring, and Black City hasn't changed. I still only have Staraptor guy, Porygon-Z dude, and Nursery Aide Miho. (Who thinks a Shiftry is cute? Seriously!) By the way, after I had talked to every trainer in my bro's White Forest during our games' Autumn month, I had a total of only 9 trainers outside. What am I supposed to do? --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 23:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:You keep talking to them. If you don't talk to them and battle them, they gradually go away. And to add a trainer, we need to know direct stats: trainer's name, and gender and level of his Magmortar. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. As soon as I see him again (if someone else doesn't beat me to it) I'll let you know. I don't have him right now. Nice to meet you! ;) --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 01:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, someone beat me to it, after all. Eh, no biggy. I mean it never really mattered to me who put it up. I just want pages to be complete. I'll keep my eye out for any unmentioned trainers. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 15:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

WAIT! I have one already! I battled him way earlier this morning so I don't know the prize money yet, but I have other info. Scientist Jacques, Nidoqueen lv. 50. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 18:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and he uses Dire Hit at the beginning of every battle. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 18:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I have it. He rewards you 2400 when you beat him. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 18:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

== Order of Trainers ==

There seems to be no logical order to the trainer list. Alphabetical, or maybe alphabetical by trainer class, or by the level of their Pokémon? It would also be handy to have the items associated with each trainer next to their info. [[User:Geekvixen|Geekvixen]] 22:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Their trainer order is listed how the in-game text arranged their spoken lines. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokécam ==
Pokécam!!!! i have only got 5 traners and people and my city is not changeing at all it stays the same i have done the money thing is well but i cant buy stones why i want one {{unsigned|Pokecam!!!!}}

[[User:Pokecam!!!!|Pokecam!!!!]] 11:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC) i need help i have only 5 traners and my city do not change and i whant to buy stones but i cant i done the money thing form the guy but it takes me days to do help pls

:The trainers do not change except to leave Black City if you don't talk/battle them once a day. As for stones, you simply do not have the trainers that produce them. And you sign with <nowiki>~~~~, not {{welcome}}.</nowiki> [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

i know but i have beten 25 people but 5 a day each the same and why does my city not change i have talked to them each day i whant new people and i have not got white so i do i do it? pls help {{unsigned|Pokecam!!!!}}

my city dose not change help help help i whant it to change i got there in 2 days(playing wise) didt play for 2 days then played and completed and only got 5 trainers grrrr i got there in 2 days technicly so why and it does not change why help now pls {{unsigned|Pokecam!!!!}}

:It doesn't matter how many times you beat the trainers. The only way to get new trainers is hooking up with someone who has White and trainers in their White Forest. There really is no other way of doing it. The city only worsens on its own, not gets better. And signing your comments after you post isn't the want to do it; it messes up the timestamp. So make sure you sign them before you post your talk page comments. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

[[User:Pokecam!!!!|Pokecam!!!!]] 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC) better ok so why does the city not change a guy says it changes dayily and looks like a creacher so why dont mine is it to do with the sessons sorry cant spell [[User:Pokecam!!!!|Pokecam!!!!]] 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

:It can change daily through people leaving, and through obtaining people through White. When someone comes or goes, the city itself changes, with more or less buildings because of it. Also, the trainers become rebattleable each day, which is sort of a change. Also that you got there and there were only 5 people left would mean that the game thought you took 6 days or more to get there, and it does count days you don't play. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 12:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::The ten trainers you get when you start the game are random. They all have set disappearing rates. If you /really/ got to Black City in 2 days, you should have ten trainers, because they don't start leaving until day four at the earliest (of real-life time; the countdown starts when you first turn the game on, and goes by the DS time system). And it doesn't change daily. It only changes if you ignore the trainers for too long and the trainers begin to disappear. So yeah, what blusun said. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2011-08-29T02:40:22Z

Luxraychu: /* Shiny Pokemon */

==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I put the same question at the bottom, and no reply. Does seem a good idea. I might just add it in if my self if thats okay, ecause we're probabky the only two that will do it. If anyone has any objections, please tell us or any admins give us all clear. Mabye i should re-route this a project leader?
Don't use the below thing that I wrote, use this. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?
: Generation II and onward, yes. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:I think that's a great idea, actually. Why doesn't someone get on this? [[User:Battlebot218|Battlebot218]] 18:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::We're currently in the process of uploading all the regular and shiny boxsprites and menusprites for both Colosseum and XD, so it can be revisited once they are all uploaded. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
: How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf ]] 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the ''treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link)'' box in your preferences ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden power ==
I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

== Statistical probability ==

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not [[Pseudo-random number generation in Pokémon|GF's one]]) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny {{tt|stabilizes|coverges/tends}} to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Pokedex note ==

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: ''"In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny."'' This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, ''by default'', the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:
1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!
I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and V ==

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of '''legit''' Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have{{tt|*|Without counting the Red Gyarados}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is ''not'' native for Unova ([[Sandslash (Pokémon)|it's evolution]] ''is''), so we need other example. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::: we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

OR goto Relic Castle and encounter a Sandslash... It would be...
CLOSE
ENOUGH. (hope you get the reference ^-^) [[User:Dry Bones|DB]] 18:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny physiology section? ==

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable Shinies ==

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:To be honest, I don't think it is nessisary to do this. However, since it is a wiki, you can add the section yourself. If you mess up, an admin will probably take care of it. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
**I can put asterisks on Pokemon that are not obtainable, and make a legend. Are the unobtainables the following: Celebi, Jirachi, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Reshiram, and Zekrom? Also Pichu (Spiky Eared).

Unknown for Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 04:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I can take care of it, I have an idea of how I want it to make it easy to understand. I'll get it up sometime this week. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 05:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Those last three aren't even available at all yet, so no they cannot be obtained Shiny yet, but they cannot be obtained non-Shiny either. It is impossible to tell if they will be made available Shiny yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::OK, I added the section and I think I got them all. If I didn't then someone can fix it. If you do fix it, tell me about it here because I would like to know which one I forgot because I wouldn't want to be going after it with no chance of getting it.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::In Japan, if you got the Old Sea Chart in Emerald you could get a Shiny Mew that way. And you could get a Shiny Celebi off of the Japanese Colosseum Bonus Disk. You could then transfer them through Pal Park and trade them to an english game, so someone help me decide if Mew and Celebi should be listed under Gen IV and V and what the * should say if we do list them. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 16:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::To answer SnorlaxMonster, yes, I specifically put unknown for those 3 because they aren't available yet. Who knows if they are given in their Shiny Forms.

Anyways, Jirachi and Celebi, to my knowledge, are available via Colosseum. They don't have the Shiny Check. [[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::::Does anyone know if the Mew from My Pokémon Ranch has a shiny check? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 22:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I looked at said article,and no. Its a trade from Haley. Therefore, no.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 22:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::: To PKMNchmp5 - If Celebi is listed under Gen IV/V Mew should be also as it's in the same boat as Celebi (only available from a third gen Japanese game). Though if it's true what someone said about Hayley mew being able to be shiny then that changes things. What would be really good to have here is an explanation of what event pokemon can/can't be shiny and why, as there's a lot of confusion on the internet about this. For example it should include answers to questions like: Can Colosseum bonus disk pokemon be shiny? What tickets have been released in what regions? Can ranch pokemon be shiny? Can 2nd/3rd/4th gen distributions be shiny?

:::::: Anyone agree? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 01:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well, if you can get a Shiny Mew and Celebi in Generation III, even if it's only in a Japanese game, you can trade it to a non-Japanese game in all games from Gen III onwards, so those don't need a note. I don't think Haley's Pokémon can be Shiny, and Shininess is visible in Ranch. For all Pokémon event distributions from Generation III onwards, a Pokémon is either always Shiny or never Shiny - it cannot randomly be either. In Generation II, where Shininess is based on IVs, I have heard that people found that each machine had a different set of IVs, meaning that they are preset. While it would be possible for a machine to distribute a Pokémon that is Shiny, I assume that they would ensure the machines do not distribute Shiny Pokémon. However, while Generation I used the same distribution method with each machine having set IVs, Shininess did not exist so it is possible that they could have unknowingly distributed future Shiny Pokémon. If anyone did get a [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in Generation I|Gen I event]] that turned out Shiny, please let us know. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==Is shiny Mew unobtainable in Gen II?==
Couldn't you get a legit Mew from a Gen I event that just so happened to pass the shiny checks and so appears shiny when transferred to a Gen II game? I doubt they would have had shiny checks on the Mews given out back then seeing as shiny pokemon didn't exist yet. I know that chances of this happening are extremely low but I don't think it zero. I'm not sure how many Mews in Gen I were given away but surely this happened at least once somewhere around the world. Probably by some kid who never realised he owned the rarest pokemon of that generation [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 00:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure the Time Machine worked more like a trade. Besides, shininess is determined when a Pokémon is generated and a Pokémon transfered through Pal Park or the Poké Transfer don't change their shiny status so I don't think that Mew could change from normal to Shiny. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::In Generation II, Shininess is determined by {{IV}}s, so it is theoretically possible to obtain a Mew with the correct IVs randomly, and then trade it to Generation II only for it to be Shiny on its end. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Sentret Chance ==
I'm beginning to wonder if Sentret has an increased chance of being shiny in the wild. The only shiny pokemon I ever encountered in the wild (except red Gyarados) was Sentret. In Diamond I encountered it once and in Soulsilver I encountered it twice. It might just be a coincidence. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Definately just a coincidence. The only way to increase the chances of a shiny appearing is the Masuda Method and the Poké Radar. Under normal circumstances they are all 1/8192. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Unfezant (Pokémon)

2011-08-18T03:03:38Z

Luxraychu: /* Behavior */

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{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Unfezant |
jname=ケンホロウ |
tmname=Kenhallow |
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]]|
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|ken-ho-roh}}}''</sc> |
species=Proud |
typen=2 |
type1=Normal |
type2=Flying |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Big Pecks |
ability2=Super Luck |
abilityd=Rivalry |
ndex=521 |
udex=027 |
height-ftin=3'11" |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=63.9 |
weight-kg=29.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Flying |
eggcycles=15 |
expyield=215 |
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body=09 |
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'''Unfezant''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ケンホロウ''' ''Kenhallow'') is a {{2t|Normal|Flying}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Tranquill}} starting at [[level]] 32. It is the final form of {{p|Pidove}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Unfezant is a Pokémon resembling a gamebird. Its coloration mainly consists of light and dark gray, patterned in patches and stripes over its body—a pointed patch on its neck, lacy curves and rimming on its wings, and striping and rimming on its tapered tail. Unfezant have yellow beaks and gray "eyebrow" patterning. Males sport flamboyant, red-pink, ribbon-like wattles extending from a similarly-colored, featherless "mask" on their face, while females have only a curved, pointed feather on the back of their heads. The undersides of male Unfezant are mint green, speckling onto its upper belly. With females, it is brown. Unfezant's legs have a black band at the top, with gray coloration on the rest of the limb, which possess pheasant-like spurs on the backs. Both genders have a train of long tail feathers.

====Gender differences====
The males have large {{wp|wattle (anatomy)|wattles}}. Their underbellies are green, and they have a more extravagant look and color. The females have a small crest, and are mostly gray, black, and brownish-tan. The females are said to surpass the males in flying ability.

===Special abilities===
The females are better than the males at flying.

===Behavior===
Its disposition allows it to only warm up to its Trainer. Males swing their head plumage to threaten their opponents.

===Habitat===

===Diet===

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===
A male and female Unfezant appeared in [[M14]].

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Unfezant (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Normal
|type2=Flying
|gen=5
|blackdex=Males swing their head plumage to threaten opponents. The females' flying abilities surpass those of the males.
|whitedex=Males have plumage on their heads. They will never let themselves feel close to anyone other than their trainers.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Normal|
type2=Flying|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Rare|
bwarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|6|Unova}}, {{rtn|7|Unova}}, and {{rtn|12|Unova}}, [[Lostlorn Forest]] (Rustling Grass)
[[Dragonspiral Tower]] (Rustling Grass, only outside of [[Seasons|Winter]]) |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Normal|
type2=Flying|
HP=80|
Attack=105|
Defense=80|
SpAtk=65|
SpDef=55|
Speed=93}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Normal|
type2=Flying|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=1
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
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{{learnlist/level5|Start|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Air Cutter|Flying|Special|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|23|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|38|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|44|FeatherDance|Flying|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|55|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|66|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Unfezant|Normal|Flying|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Unfezant|Normal|Flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Pluck|Flying|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Unfezant|Normal|Flying|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Unfezant|Normal|Flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}|Bestow|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|163|Hoothoot}}{{MSP|164|Noctowl}}{{MSP|561|Sigilyph}}|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|177|Natu}}{{MSP|178|Xatu}}|Lucky Chant|Normal|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||*|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|084|Doduo}}{{MSP|085|Dodrio}}{{MSP|163|Hoothoot}}{{MSP|164|Noctowl}}{{MSP|441|Chatot}}|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|176|Togetic}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}{{MSP|177|Natu}}{{MSP|178|Xatu}}|Wish|Normal|Status|—|—|10|}}{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|227|Skarmory}}|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25||||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Unfezant|Normal|Flying|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Unfezant|normal|flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Unfezant|normal|flying|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Unfezant|normal|flying|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Unfezant|normal|flying|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=519
|name1=Pidove
|type1-1=Normal
|type2-1=Flying
|evotype1=Level
|level1=21
|sprite2=520
|name2=Tranquill
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=Flying
|evotype2=Level
|level2=32
|sprite3=521{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0||_f}}
|name3=Unfezant
|type1-3=Normal
|type2-3=Flying
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=normal |
type2=flying |
gen=5 |
gender=both |
name=Unfezant |
ndex=521 |
}}

==Trivia==
* Unfezant, along with {{p|Frillish}}'s family, are the only [[Generation V]] Pokémon that have [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]].
* Unfezant is the only Pokémon that has a base stat total of 478.
* Unfezant's gender differences reflect {{wp|sexual dimorphism}} in real-life birds in that males have large wattles and are more colorful than the females.

===Origin===
While its pre-evolutions resemble wild pigeons, Unfezant most closely resembles a {{wp|Galliformes|gamebird}}, such as a {{wp|pheasant}}, {{wp|turkey (bird)|turkey}} or {{wp|tragopan}}. It is also similar in appearance to the {{wp|Greater Roadrunner}}.

====Name origin====
Unfezant may possibly be a corruption of ''unpleasant'', ''unfazed'', and ''pheasant''. けんもほろろ ''Ken-mo-Hororo'', means curt or brusque. Ken and Hororo are both onomatopoeia of pheasant cries.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Flying color}}; background: #{{Normal color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Normal color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Fasasnob
| From ''{{tt|Fasan|pheasant}}'' and ''Snob''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Déflaisan
| From ''{{tt|déplaisant|unpleasant}}'' and ''{{tt|Faisan|pheasant}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 켄호로우 ''Kenhallow''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 轟隆雉雞 / 轰隆雉鸡 ''Hōnglóngzhìjī''
|From {{tt|轟隆 ''hōnglóng''|sound of rumbling}} and {{tt|雉雞 ''zhìjī''|pheasant}}.
|}
|-
|}
 


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Tranquill | next=Blitzle | prevnum=520 | nextnum=522 | type=Normal | type2=Flying }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Fasasnob]]
[[es:Unfezant]]
[[fr:Déflaisan]]
[[it:Unfezant]]
[[ja:ケンホロウ]]
[[pl:Unfezant]]

Talk:List of Pokémon Global Link promotions

2011-08-18T00:48:49Z

Luxraychu: /* About the Audino skin... */

== Pokedex Skins ==

Somebody should put in the Pokedex skin of the 3 starters that you can get from the global link for free. I could give it a try but I don't know how to do it properly and I might screw it up and I've heard moderaters in the past (on other wikia though) that you should just leave it to someone who's had experience so that they can do it well. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 16:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Play To Befriend a Pokémon! Eeveelutions ==

I know that they were supposed to be available on May 5, but I don't think they are available yet. I have checked promotions, and even double checked that mine registered as saved on May 4, but I still see no sign of it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:IIRC, it was only stated that the game would stop working on the 5th with no indication of when they would be available other than "soon" as stated by a notice on the site sent out on the 5th itself.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 15:21, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Customizing the C-Gear ==

How do you change the skin of the C-Gear once you have a new skin? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 02:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)cmlobue

== Pikachu and Minccino C-Gear skins ==

The article says they're available on the English PGL, but I don't see them, nor did I see them when it was added. Is there some trick to doing it? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:They're not available, which is why everything about them is 'Unknown' or ???. Just like the Korean Pikachu skin, they're being prepared but haven't been released yet. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 05:21, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
"This skin was released for an unknown reason, for an unknown period of time." - this makes it sound like it has already been released. Is it that the data for the skin is on the European language and Korean sites, but have not yet been made available? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Hm, perhaps the wording is a bit... at the time those were added there were other future promotions dated as if written after release, so I copied the same wording. And yes, that's right. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Pikachu C-Gear skin password cracked ==

GameFAQs user DTAC25 [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/989552-pokemon-black-version/59667213?page=2 cracked the password] to the Pikachu C-Gear skin. The knowledge of the password being "PikachuCGear" (no quotes, case sensitive) will now be common knowledge before any official promotion reveals it. Givenn how simple the password is, no wonder it got cracked...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== 2011 Pokemon Wold Championships C-Gear Skin ==

[http://en.pokemon-gl.com/campaign/]
[http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml]
Can someone add this? The password is '''WorldsCGear'''. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's already in the article, just hidden. I think they're waiting for an image of it? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 16:51, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::Here it is:
:::[[File:PWC C-Gear skin.png]]

::'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== About the Audino skin... ==

According to Serebii, it is available in the United States only. This is also supported by the fact that there is no mention of it on my (UK) Global link. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Aren't the UK and US Global Links the same one? They're both [http://en.pokemon-gl.com/]. I heard it was on temporarily, then taken down. Maybe it's based on local time like the Worlds one? (P.S. It's not on my one either, and I'm from the UK) - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
It seems to be indeed based on the location you set back when you make the account. Not in US? No Audino skin for you. I didn't set my location as US either, and I don't see the promotion or even the announcement for the Audino skin.[[User:Magnezone|Magnezone]] 03:01, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't appear for Australia either. Can anyone test Canada? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Zilch in the great north. No mention at all. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 00:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Luxraychu

2011-08-14T23:58:06Z

Luxraychu: /* Myself */

==Myself==
First off, I know. Luxraychu? Stupid user name. Obviously, One of my favorites is Luxray, but my other isn't any of
Pichu family. It should be my family nickname, Snorlax! Man, my user should be luxax or snorlux. You know, snorlux doesn't sound so bad. So those are my loves, but I do like eeveeloutions. My personal favorite is leafeon. However I feel the need to share some of my ideas for
future ones. I will add this section in a bit. Before I figure out the banana to add those cool side things that tell people about me, I'll say this. I'm male, In my teens, and stared to game pokemon when I picked up pokemon emerald version. My starter was torchic. I then got pokemon
platinum, and choose turtwig. Then, heart gold and Cyndaquil. Finally, I got Black and choose Oshawott. I'm also a major
hacker, and I have an AR dsi. I use it for shiny's, and collecting event pokemon that I missed.
My favorite shiny is espeon, and by extension my favorite color is green. I'm Canadian and I live in ontario. In heart gold I
have caught every single one. Call me cheesy, but my favorite legendary is Arceus.
<div class="userbox">
{{User No Project|151}}
{{User Atheist|150}}
{{User Action Replay}}
{{User Cats|510}}
{{User Lost Game}}
</div>

== Eeveeloutions ==

As I've said, and as you might have guessed, I'm not all that good at wikicode, so I am incapable of making a table. So, I'll just list off my ideas.
===Razeon===
Razeon is the steel type evolution of eevee and when a male eevee levels up in the same spot that Female eevee evolves into diameon, but instead becomes Razeon. It body is mainly grey, with ears resembling blades, and tail similar to the one skarmory has. Its highest stat would be defense.

Watchog (Pokémon)

2011-08-14T21:18:53Z

Luxraychu: /* Special abilities */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Patrat | next=Lillipup | prevnum=504 | nextnum=506 | type=Normal }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Watchog |
jname=ミルホッグ |
tmname=Miruhog |
size=80px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|me-roo-hog}}}''</sc> |
species=Lookout |
typen=1 |
type1=Normal |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Illuminate |
ability2=Keen Eye |
abilityd=Analytic |
ndex=505 |
udex=011 |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=59.5 |
weight-kg=27 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field |
eggcycles=20 |
evat=1|
expyield=147 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=255 |
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Watchog''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ミルホッグ''' ''Miruhog'') is a {{type2|Normal}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Patrat}} starting at [[level]] 20.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Watchog is an upright, meerkat-like Pokémon with large cheeks and a single, pointed incisor sticking out of its mouth. It is mainly a shade of reddish brown, with its cheeks and neck beige, and a pattern of yellow striping on its chest and tail, with the striping on its chest resembling a vest. Its hands, feet and tail tip are white-colored. Its eyes have an unusual pattern surrounding a small black pupil, with two red ring-like stripes separated by a third, yellow stripe. Black markings accentuate the eyes at their outer ends.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Its cheeks can hold a large amounts of seeds, which it collects. Watchog possess night vision and can view its surroundings in the darkness. If that fails, then some Watchog can [[Illuminate (ability)| light up]] their stripes to see their surroundings.

===Behavior===
It collects, and attacks, with the seeds it collects in its cheek sacks. When it spots an enemy it stands with its tail erect and will intimidate enemies by shining its body patterns at them.

===Habitat===

===Diet===

==In the anime==
[[File:Lenora Watchog.png|thumb|240px|Watchog in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
[[Lenora]]'s Watchog debuted in ''[[BW014|A Night in the Nacrene City Museum!]]'' where it used its {{a|Illuminate}} to reveal {{p|Yamask}}'s presence. It battled {{Ash}} in ''[[BW015|The Battle According to Lenora!]]'' and defeated his {{AP|Oshawott}} with {{m|Thunderbolt}}. It appeared again in ''[[BW016|Rematch at the Nacrene Gym!]]'', where it was defeated by Oshawott's {{m|Aqua Jet}}.

===Minor appearances===
Three Watchog appeared in ''[[BW025|Emolga and the New Volt Switch!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW014|Watchog|Ash's Pokédex|Watchog, the Lookout Pokémon, and the evolved form of {{p|Patrat}}. Watchog's body contains luminescent compounds, which allow its eyes and stripes to glow.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Watchog (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Normal
|gen=5
|blackdex=When they see an enemy, their tails stand high, and they spit the seeds of berries stored in their cheek pouches.
|whitedex=They make the patterns on their bodies shine in order to threaten predators. Keen eyesight lets them see in the dark.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Normal|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Unknown|
bwarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|1|Unova}}, {{rtn|7|Unova}}, {{rtn|15|Unova}}, {{rtn|18|Unova}}, [[Dreamyard]], [[P2 Laboratory]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Base stats
|HP=60
|Attack=85
|Defense=69
|SpAtk=60
|SpDef=69
|Speed=77
|type=Normal
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Normal|
Normal=100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying=100 |
Poison=100 |
Ground=100 |
Rock=100 |
Bug=100 |
Ghost=0 |
Steel=100 |
Fire=100 |
Water=100 |
Grass=100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic=100 |
Ice=100 |
Dragon=100 |
Dark=100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|3|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Super Fang|Normal|Physical|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|After You|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Hyper Fang|Normal|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}} {{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|203|Girafarig}}{{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|261|Poochyena}}{{MSP|262|Mightyena}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}} {{MSP|498|Tepig}}{{MSP|499|Pignite}}{{MSP|500|Emboar}}{{MSP|509|Purrloin}}{{MSP|510|Liepard}}{{MSP|527|Woobat}} {{MSP|528|Swoobat}}{{MSP|551|Sandile}}{{MSP|552|Krokorok}}{{MSP|553|Krookodile}}|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|427|Buneary}}{{MSP|428|Lopunny}} {{MSP|448|Lucario}}|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|231|Phanpy}}{{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|263|Zigzagoon}}{{MSP|264|Linoone}}{{MSP|287|Slakoth}} {{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|613|Cubchoo}}{{MSP|614|Beartic}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}} {{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|086|Seel}}{{MSP|087|Dewgong}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}} {{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|179|Mareep}}{{MSP|180|Flaaffy}}{{MSP|181|Ampharos}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}} {{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}{{MSP|434|Stunky}}{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}}{{MSP|497|Serperior}} {{MSP|587|Emolga}}{{MSP|572|Minccino}}{{MSP|573|Cinccino}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}} {{MSP|359|Absol}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|509|Purrloin}}{{MSP|510|Liepard}}{{MSP|522|Blitzle}} {{MSP|523|Zebstrika}}{{MSP|570|Zorua}}{{MSP|571|Zoroark}}{{MSP|587|Emolga}}{{MSP|626|Bouffalant}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|501|Oshawott}}{{MSP|502|Dewott}}{{MSP|503|Samurott}}{{MSP|626|Bouffalant}}|Revenge|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}} {{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|215|Sneasel}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}} {{MSP|293|Whismur}}{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|352|Kecleon}}{{MSP|434|Stunky}} {{MSP|435|Skuntank}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Watchog|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=504
|name1=Patrat
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=505
|name2=Watchog
|type1-2=Normal
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=normal |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Watchog |
ndex=505 |
}}

==Trivia==
* Despite the Pokédex claiming it attacks with seeds, Watchog cannot learn any seed-based moves ({{m|Bullet Seed}}, {{m|Leech Seed}}, {{m|Worry Seed}}, {{m|Seed Bomb}}).

===Origin===
Watchog is based on a {{wp|groundhog}} and possibly a {{wp|meerkat}}. Its design is based on a road worker, with the body resembling a {{wp|personal protective equipment|protective suit}} and the yellow stripes forming a {{wp|high visibility clothing|safety vest}}.

====Name origin====
Watchog originates from ''watch'' and ''groundhog''. It may also be a pun on {{wp|guard dog|watchdog}}s, dogs used to guard. ''Miruhog'' seems to come from 見る ''miru'', to observe, ''meerkat'' and ''groundhog''.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Normal color dark}}; background: #{{Normal color}};"
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! Name
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| From ''{{tt|gucken|to peek}}'' and ''{{tt|Marder|marten}}''. Also a pun on ''{{tt|Guck mal da|Look over there}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Miradar
| From ''{{tt|mirador|observation tower}}'' and ''radar''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 보르그 ''Boreugeu''
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 步哨鼠 ''Bùshàoshǔ''
| From {{tt|步哨 ''bùshào''|sentry/sentinel}} and {{tt|鼠 ''shǔ''|rat}}.
|}
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==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Patrat | next=Lillipup | prevnum=504 | nextnum=506 | type=Normal }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[pt:Miruhoggu (pokémon)]]

[[de:Kukmarda]]
[[es:Watchog]]
[[fr:Miradar]]
[[it:Watchog]]
[[ja:ミルホッグ]]
[[pl:Watchog]]

Eelektross (Pokémon)

2011-08-14T04:10:45Z

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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Eelektrik | next=Elgyem | prevnum=603 | nextnum=605 | type=Electric }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Eelektross |
jname=シビルドン|
tmname=Shibirudon |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|shi-bi-roo-don}}}''</sc> |
species=EleFish |
typen=1 |
type1=Electric |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Levitate |
ndex=604|
udex=110 |
height-ftin=6'11" |
height-m=2.1 |
weight-lbs=177.5 |
weight-kg=80.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Amorphous|
eggcycles=20 |
expyield=232 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
evat=3|
gendercode=127|
color=Blue|
catchrate=30|
body=03 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Eelektross''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''シビルドン''' ''Shibirudon'') is an {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It evolves from {{p|Eelektrik}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Thunderstone}}. It is the final form of {{p|Tynamo}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Eelektross is an eel-like Pokémon that resembles a lamprey, with a long tentacle-like, finned limb extending from its head. It has red eyes, dark blue body, and, unlike its earlier evolutions, possesses clawed, paddle-like arms with yellow spots and yellow-and-red palms. It has a beige fin on the upper portion of its body and beige fin-like legs below.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Eelektross has no elemental weakness. They are also capable of using their arms to crawl on shore to hunt.

===Behavior===
Eelektross latches onto its prey using its suction cup-like mouth and electrifies it before eating.

===Habitat===
Eelektross live in the ocean, only coming ashore to capture prey. They also live in caves.

===Diet===
Eelektross are carnivorous.

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Eelektross (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Electric
|gen=5
|blackdex=They crawl out of the ocean using their arms. They will attack prey on shore and immediately drag it into the ocean.
|whitedex=With their sucker mouths, they suck in prey. Then they use their fangs to shock the prey with electricity.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Electric|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=None|
bwarea=Evolve {{p|Eelektrik}} |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Electric|
type2=Electric|
HP=85|
Attack=115|
Defense=80|
SpAtk=105|
SpDef=80|
Speed=50}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Electric|
type2=|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
levitate=yes|
newground=2
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Eelektross|Electric|Electric|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Crush Claw|Normal|Physical|75|95|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Acid|Poison|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Eelektross|Electric|Electric|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Eelektross|Electric|Electric|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM72|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Eelektross|Electric|Electric|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Eelektross|electric|electric|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Eelektross|electric|electric|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Eelektross|electric|electric|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Eelektross|electric|electric|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Eelektross|electric|electric|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|602|Tynamo|||||Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|602|Tynamo||603|Eelektrik||Spark|Electric|Physical|65|100|20|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|603|Eelektrik|||||Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|603|Eelektrik|||||Acid Spray|Poison|Special|40|100|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|603|Eelektrik|||||Coil|Poison|Status|—|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|603|Eelektrik|||||Gastro Acid|Poison|Status|—|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|603|Eelektrik|||||Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|603|Eelektrik|||||Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Eelektross|electric|electric|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=602
|name1=Tynamo
|type1-1=Electric
|evotype1=Level
|level1=39
|sprite2=603
|name2=Eelektrik
|type1-2=Electric
|evotype2=Stone
|evostone2=Thunderstone
|sprite3=604
|name3=Eelektross
|type1-3=Electric}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=electric |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Eelektross |
ndex=604
}}

==Trivia==
* Eelektross and its {{p|Tynamo|evolutionary}} {{p|Eelektrik|relatives}} are the only Pokémon, aside from {{2t|Ghost|Dark}} types, to have no weaknesses. However, this is due to their ability, {{a|Levitate}}, which eliminates their sole weakness to the {{t|Ground}} type, and not because of type matchups.
** They are also the only single-type Pokémon with no weaknesses.
** However, they cannot be made invincible if given {{a|Wonder Guard}}, as it replaces {{a|Levitate}}, thus making them weak to {{type2|Ground}} attacks.
** Also, they are the only weakness-free Pokémon that have evolutionary relatives.
** Eelektross has the highest base stat total of all Pokémon with no weaknesses.
* Despite being based on marine animals, and living in the ocean, Eelektross and its evolutionary relatives are not {{type|Water}}, nor can they learn any Water-type moves other than {{m|Rain Dance}}.
* Despite its Pokédex entry claiming it discharges electricity through its teeth, it cannot learn {{m|Thunder Fang}}.

===Origin===
Eelektross and its evolutionary relatives may be based on {{wp|electric eels}}, {{wp|lamprey}}s, {{wp|jawless fish}} and possibly {{wp|leeches}}. The fact that it is Electric-type may be an allusion to {{wp|bioelectrogenesis}}.

====Name origin====
Its name is a combonation of ''eel'', the corrupted ''electric'' from its pre-evolution, and ''boss'' or ''gross''. Its Japanese name is likely a combination of 痺れ ''shibire'', numbness, and ''don'', a title of respect usually prefixed to Christian names in Spanish and Italian (similar to English lord). "-don" may also refer to the Latin suffix for tooth, referring to its large teeth.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Electric color}}; background: #{{Electric color}};"
|-
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{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Electric color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Zapplarang
| From ''zap'', ''{{tt|Aal|eel}}'', and ''{{tt|Rang|grade, rank}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Ohmassacre
| From ''{{wp|Ohm}}'' and ''massacre''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 저리더프 ''Jeorideopeu''
|
|}
|-
|}
 


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Eelektrik | next=Elgyem | prevnum=603 | nextnum=605 | type=Electric }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Zapplarang]]
[[es:Eelektross]]
[[fr:Ohmassacre]]
[[it:Eelektross]]
[[ja:シビルドン]]
[[pl:Eelektross]]

User talk:DialgaMaster105

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==Talk Page Comments==
Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's {{bp|talk page|talk page policy}}. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! --[[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:Please read the above message. You are not allowed to remove talk page comments, failure to abide by the rules may result in your account being blocked. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

How much of this page can I eliminate? I am not a computer scientist. I don't know what I can or can't and you are confusing me more.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I am trying only to get rid of the green stuff saying what I can do. And stuff to get me started.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You cannot get rid of ''any of it''. That has to stay there, until you archive your talk page. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

How do I archive it?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:if you dont know what you are doing, then why would you want to get rid of something that can help you learn how to? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a '''MOVE''' Button at the top of the page.

Magnedeth all yur doing is being mean to a rookie--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Can u see the green?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I know what I am doing I want to get rid of the instructions.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:i wasnt being mean, its being honest. the Welcome is there to help new people like yourself get into the site and make useful contributions without a problem. what you are doing is blatantly ignoring our advice. you clearly dont know how wiki editing works, and you should check out our policies before you get in trouble. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I am taking all your advice seriously and I looked at all the links and the policies.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You may have looked at them, but did you ''read'' them? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

i did read them--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

When did I erase any comments?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

If thats what this is all about I didn't mean to.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You erased the Welcome template. ''Three times.'' ''That's'' what this is about. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, you did like she said, when in fact nothing is allowed to be removed from a talk page unless it is archived (which shouldn't be done until the page is MUCH bigger). Just don't do it again, and there won't be a problem. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

My question is "can you see ''my'' welcome template on ''your'' screen?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't archive it ''beacause'' I don't see any move button.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't recommend archiving this until this page has grown alot more. Trust me, having these comments left here and a welcome is no big deal. Don't even worry about them. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It won't happen again geez I get it already. I got it the first time when I thought the ''Welcome Template'' was just the word ''Welcome'' --[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I understand. But ''nothing'' is allowed to be removed from a talk page. It's just policy. Archiving when a page is not very big is frowned upon, too.[[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way how did you get your names to appear like that???? --[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Click "preferences" wayyyyy up top, and you'll see an area where you can make a custom signature. Just make sure to follow {{bp|Signature policy|this simple stuff}}. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

did it work?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|[THE MASTER OF TIME :D ]]] 19:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You've got the concept down! Just remember that the name displayed has to actually clearly reference your actual username - I'm not sure if "Master of Time" is close enough to "DialgaMaster" to cut it... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::Even something like "Dialga, The Master Of Time" would be fine. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I wonder about this one--[[User:DialgaMaster105|[[DialgaMaster105|'''DialgaMaster''']][[User_Dialgamaster105|'''105''']]</span]] 19:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Mind you, you can just type in "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>", then press the "preview" button instead of "save page". You'll be able to see how your signature turned out, without having to make an edit. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Please...==
You've been making too many edits to the <code>User talk:</code> namespace lately. Please take your conversations to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/ the forums], a chatroom, e-mail, an IM service, or something similar, as that many edits will slow down the server. --[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. No more, please. Talk somewhere else. Edit more in the mainspace. What have I been telling you? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

==Talk to me please==
Please talk to me :( I need someone to talk to. {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}

==Hi==
I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. You may not be aware of this, but Bulbapedia has a {{bp|Userspace policy}} that asks users to try and minimize the number of userspace edits they make in a short period of time. Heavy editing of these personal pages can put undue stress on the server, so please leave your page alone for now and go help out in the mainspace. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so please help us to complete it! If you edit the mainspace more often, you will be allowed to edit your userpage more often too. Thanks! --[[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

==actually==
Lately? This stuff was from like, a month ago.

==Hold on!==
If you did not read your last warning, then please read it now. You have edited the <code>User:</code> namespace too much. In the past, no one was allowed to edit their userpages because some users were over-editing their own userpages. Your personal editing privileges can be taken away, so please do not edit your page any more for now. Thank you. --[[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

==Look,==
Your failure to listen to these warnings has resulted in your userspace privileges being taken away. Your privileges may be returned in time. Please, next time listen to us. ---- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

==I did listen....==
I listened, and didn't edit in a short amount of time. I edited a half a day do a day apart! I don't understand why my user space privelages were taken away!!-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Last time you edited the mainspace was a week ago. You've edited your userpage three times as much as anything else. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

ok, after reviewing your edits, minus reverted edits, youve made '''two''' edits to the mainspace. youve got a lot of work to do if you want your privileges back. also, going to someone and asking if you matter is considered talk page spam, dont do that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didn't know that was spam:( please all the admins seem like they think I'm "public enemy #1, it's really stressful so I keep messing up. Please stop for a couple days, I know when I mess up and I usually try to fix it. -[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::when a comment is left here, just respond here, youre all over the place. also, if you want to do good, check out the {{bp|Manual of style}} because its fairly clear you arent familliar with how a wiki works. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry I thought I read it. Your still targeting me it seems like....-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:40, 23 February 2010
::::im not "targeting you" im doing my job. when i see people do something wrong, thats when i get into action. you are doing things wrong, and the Manual of style, or more notably, the links listed in our Welcome WILL HELP YOU, but you have clearly ignored them. if you want us to stop "yelling at you" then all you have to do is follow the rules. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I just did edit something I found ON THE FRONT PAGE. I look there all the time. If no one else can make them better I look at them and usually I can't find find anything I can edit. Can't you find anyone else to "do your job" on? And it just seems like you are targeting me. Thats all I said. Please when you respond to this, show some sympathy.-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:48, 23 February 2010
:you did some edits to the Limestone article, but the article is still very incomplete and unfinished. this is what i was saying, you dont know how a wiki works, and you should check out our policies and rules. and as of right now, no one else is really doing anything wrong, so no, theres no one else to to deal with (even if there was, im fully capable of dealing with more than one person at a time). i am not picking on you, you are doing something wrong (not editing properly) i am telling you how to fix it (read the rules) and you are ignoring them (not reading the rules) so i am still dealing with you. as for sympathy, im not exactly abusing you, you just think im picking on you. all you gotta do is follow the rules, and we will be hunky-dory. besides, even if i did stop talking to you, theres plenty other admins that have the right to talk to you. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Talk. Echidna talk. Hi DialgaMaster. Deth's right. We're trying to help you correct the issue with your editing, like you would correct a broken arm with a cast: you gotta restrict it so it heals. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

==One thing all the Admins should of told me==

Was this "Rather than do this(take away my userspace privelages), Bulbapedia has a social forum, as well as blogs, for the details of its users' everyday lives, found in the Bulbawiki forum"-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 23:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:The admins may not have told you, but a normal user has: the very first person to edit this page, your welcomer. Did you even bother reading the Userspace policy outlined in your welcome? it specifically states: "Bulbapedia has a social forum, as well as blogs, for the details of its users' everyday lives, found in the Bulbawiki forum link on the sidebar." Don't say no one told you; you put this onto yourself. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

And by the way, I will probaby '''NEVER''' Make an article much bigger. I usually just add detail such as in Limestone Cave.-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 23:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:thats fine, even little edits count, but you cant threaten to make these edits, you have to actually make them. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

You are talking about I can't edit well I Think....When did you say that?-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]]
:that doesnt really make any sense. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

==The Reasons I Am Not Editing The Mainspace Right Now:==

#1 You keep talking to me here. #2 I can't find any pages I know enough about to edit. and Edchidna said " We're trying to help you correct the issue with your editing, like you would correct a broken arm with a cast: you gotta restrict it so it heals." tell edchidna that doesn't make sense if it doen't, not me. {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:fine, i will stop talking to you, but if you continue to make bad edits, you will be reverted, and possibly even blocked. im not going to waste my time trying to explain something to you that, despite all logical sense, you still dont get. but bear in mind, if you cant find anything to edit, then dont edit, simple as that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). Thanks! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 00:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to sign it, I was in a hurry. One more question, Bad Edits?-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 00:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:bad, the opposite of good. this is what i was talking about. if you read our rules and policies, you would already know what constitutes a good and bad edit. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
==I don't know why I am not trusted here==
I don't know why I am not trusted here, I am just a beginner at this wiki. It is different from all the others. I am trusted on all the "Other" Wikis I'm on. I have a wiki, and I have made 85 edits on it since I made it on the 5th...And I don't make "Bad Edits" Purposely, I had no idea that I had made even 1. I just thought I would be useful on this wiki by providing info...[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster]] 23:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

:Try going [[Bulbapedia:Wikicode|here]]. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Just so you know ==

BW has been out for like two months or something, those are the English names. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

User:Luxraychu

2011-08-13T02:49:56Z

Luxraychu: /* Myself */

==Myself==
First off, I know. Luxraychu? Stupid user name. Obviously, One of my favorites is Luxray, but my other isn't any of
Pichu family. It should be my family nickname, Snorlax! Man, my user should be luxax or snorlux. You know, snorlux doesn't sound so bad. So those are my loves, but I do like eeveeloutions. My personal favorite is leafeon. However I feel the need to share some of my ideas for
future ones. I will add this section in a bit. Before I figure out the banana to add those cool side things that tell people about me, I'll say this. I'm male, In my teens, and stared to game pokemon when I picked up pokemon emerald version. My starter was torchic. I then got pokemon
platinum, and choose turtwig. Then, heart gold and Cyndaquil. Finally, I got Black and choose Oshawott. I'm also a major
hacker, and I have an AR dsi. I use it for shiny's, and collecting event pokemon that I missed.
My favorite shiny is espeon, and by extension my favorite color is green. I'm Canadian and I live in ontario. In heart gold I
have caught every single one. Call me cheesy, but my favorite legendary is Arceus.
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{{User Atheist|150}}
{{User Action Replay}}
{{User Cats|510}}
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== Eeveeloutions ==

As I've said, and as you might have guessed, I'm not all that good at wikicode, so I am incapable of making a table. So, I'll just list off my ideas.
===Razeon===
Razeon is the steel type evolution of eevee and when a male eevee levels up in the same spot that Female eevee evolves into diameon, but instead becomes Razeon. It body is mainly grey, with ears resembling blades, and tail similar to the one skarmory has. Its highest stat would be defense.

User talk:DialgaMaster105

2011-08-13T02:44:58Z

Luxraychu: /* I did listen.... */

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==Talk Page Comments==
Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's {{bp|talk page|talk page policy}}. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! --[[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:Please read the above message. You are not allowed to remove talk page comments, failure to abide by the rules may result in your account being blocked. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

How much of this page can I eliminate? I am not a computer scientist. I don't know what I can or can't and you are confusing me more.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I am trying only to get rid of the green stuff saying what I can do. And stuff to get me started.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You cannot get rid of ''any of it''. That has to stay there, until you archive your talk page. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

How do I archive it?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:if you dont know what you are doing, then why would you want to get rid of something that can help you learn how to? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a '''MOVE''' Button at the top of the page.

Magnedeth all yur doing is being mean to a rookie--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Can u see the green?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I know what I am doing I want to get rid of the instructions.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:i wasnt being mean, its being honest. the Welcome is there to help new people like yourself get into the site and make useful contributions without a problem. what you are doing is blatantly ignoring our advice. you clearly dont know how wiki editing works, and you should check out our policies before you get in trouble. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I am taking all your advice seriously and I looked at all the links and the policies.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You may have looked at them, but did you ''read'' them? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

i did read them--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

When did I erase any comments?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

If thats what this is all about I didn't mean to.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You erased the Welcome template. ''Three times.'' ''That's'' what this is about. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, you did like she said, when in fact nothing is allowed to be removed from a talk page unless it is archived (which shouldn't be done until the page is MUCH bigger). Just don't do it again, and there won't be a problem. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

My question is "can you see ''my'' welcome template on ''your'' screen?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't archive it ''beacause'' I don't see any move button.--[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't recommend archiving this until this page has grown alot more. Trust me, having these comments left here and a welcome is no big deal. Don't even worry about them. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It won't happen again geez I get it already. I got it the first time when I thought the ''Welcome Template'' was just the word ''Welcome'' --[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I understand. But ''nothing'' is allowed to be removed from a talk page. It's just policy. Archiving when a page is not very big is frowned upon, too.[[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way how did you get your names to appear like that???? --[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105]] 19:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Click "preferences" wayyyyy up top, and you'll see an area where you can make a custom signature. Just make sure to follow {{bp|Signature policy|this simple stuff}}. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

did it work?--[[User:DialgaMaster105|[THE MASTER OF TIME :D ]]] 19:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You've got the concept down! Just remember that the name displayed has to actually clearly reference your actual username - I'm not sure if "Master of Time" is close enough to "DialgaMaster" to cut it... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::Even something like "Dialga, The Master Of Time" would be fine. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I wonder about this one--[[User:DialgaMaster105|[[DialgaMaster105|'''DialgaMaster''']][[User_Dialgamaster105|'''105''']]</span]] 19:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Mind you, you can just type in "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>", then press the "preview" button instead of "save page". You'll be able to see how your signature turned out, without having to make an edit. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Please...==
You've been making too many edits to the <code>User talk:</code> namespace lately. Please take your conversations to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/ the forums], a chatroom, e-mail, an IM service, or something similar, as that many edits will slow down the server. --[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. No more, please. Talk somewhere else. Edit more in the mainspace. What have I been telling you? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

==Talk to me please==
Please talk to me :( I need someone to talk to. {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}

==Hi==
I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. You may not be aware of this, but Bulbapedia has a {{bp|Userspace policy}} that asks users to try and minimize the number of userspace edits they make in a short period of time. Heavy editing of these personal pages can put undue stress on the server, so please leave your page alone for now and go help out in the mainspace. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so please help us to complete it! If you edit the mainspace more often, you will be allowed to edit your userpage more often too. Thanks! --[[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

==actually==
Lately? This stuff was from like, a month ago.

==Hold on!==
If you did not read your last warning, then please read it now. You have edited the <code>User:</code> namespace too much. In the past, no one was allowed to edit their userpages because some users were over-editing their own userpages. Your personal editing privileges can be taken away, so please do not edit your page any more for now. Thank you. --[[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

==Look,==
Your failure to listen to these warnings has resulted in your userspace privileges being taken away. Your privileges may be returned in time. Please, next time listen to us. ---- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

==I did listen....==
I listened, and didn't edit in a short amount of time. I edited a half a day do a day apart! I don't understand why my user space privelages were taken away!!-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Last time you edited the mainspace was a week ago. You've edited your userpage three times as much as anything else. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

ok, after reviewing your edits, minus reverted edits, youve made '''two''' edits to the mainspace. youve got a lot of work to do if you want your privileges back. also, going to someone and asking if you matter is considered talk page spam, dont do that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didn't know that was spam:( please all the admins seem like they think I'm "public enemy #1, it's really stressful so I keep messing up. Please stop for a couple days, I know when I mess up and I usually try to fix it. -[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::when a comment is left here, just respond here, youre all over the place. also, if you want to do good, check out the {{bp|Manual of style}} because its fairly clear you arent familliar with how a wiki works. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry I thought I read it. Your still targeting me it seems like....-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:40, 23 February 2010
::::im not "targeting you" im doing my job. when i see people do something wrong, thats when i get into action. you are doing things wrong, and the Manual of style, or more notably, the links listed in our Welcome WILL HELP YOU, but you have clearly ignored them. if you want us to stop "yelling at you" then all you have to do is follow the rules. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I just did edit something I found ON THE FRONT PAGE. I look there all the time. If no one else can make them better I look at them and usually I can't find find anything I can edit. Can't you find anyone else to "do your job" on? And it just seems like you are targeting me. Thats all I said. Please when you respond to this, show some sympathy.-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 22:48, 23 February 2010
:you did some edits to the Limestone article, but the article is still very incomplete and unfinished. this is what i was saying, you dont know how a wiki works, and you should check out our policies and rules. and as of right now, no one else is really doing anything wrong, so no, theres no one else to to deal with (even if there was, im fully capable of dealing with more than one person at a time). i am not picking on you, you are doing something wrong (not editing properly) i am telling you how to fix it (read the rules) and you are ignoring them (not reading the rules) so i am still dealing with you. as for sympathy, im not exactly abusing you, you just think im picking on you. all you gotta do is follow the rules, and we will be hunky-dory. besides, even if i did stop talking to you, theres plenty other admins that have the right to talk to you. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Talk. Echidna talk. Hi DialgaMaster. Deth's right. We're trying to help you correct the issue with your editing, like you would correct a broken arm with a cast: you gotta restrict it so it heals. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
They are right. ( sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt, just giving you a fourth oppion. Good analogy, by the way TTE.) [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:44, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

==One thing all the Admins should of told me==

Was this "Rather than do this(take away my userspace privelages), Bulbapedia has a social forum, as well as blogs, for the details of its users' everyday lives, found in the Bulbawiki forum"-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 23:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:The admins may not have told you, but a normal user has: the very first person to edit this page, your welcomer. Did you even bother reading the Userspace policy outlined in your welcome? it specifically states: "Bulbapedia has a social forum, as well as blogs, for the details of its users' everyday lives, found in the Bulbawiki forum link on the sidebar." Don't say no one told you; you put this onto yourself. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

And by the way, I will probaby '''NEVER''' Make an article much bigger. I usually just add detail such as in Limestone Cave.-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 23:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:thats fine, even little edits count, but you cant threaten to make these edits, you have to actually make them. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

You are talking about I can't edit well I Think....When did you say that?-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]]
:that doesnt really make any sense. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

==The Reasons I Am Not Editing The Mainspace Right Now:==

#1 You keep talking to me here. #2 I can't find any pages I know enough about to edit. and Edchidna said " We're trying to help you correct the issue with your editing, like you would correct a broken arm with a cast: you gotta restrict it so it heals." tell edchidna that doesn't make sense if it doen't, not me. {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:fine, i will stop talking to you, but if you continue to make bad edits, you will be reverted, and possibly even blocked. im not going to waste my time trying to explain something to you that, despite all logical sense, you still dont get. but bear in mind, if you cant find anything to edit, then dont edit, simple as that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). Thanks! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 00:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to sign it, I was in a hurry. One more question, Bad Edits?-[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster105 *Roar Of Time!!!*]] 00:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:bad, the opposite of good. this is what i was talking about. if you read our rules and policies, you would already know what constitutes a good and bad edit. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
==I don't know why I am not trusted here==
I don't know why I am not trusted here, I am just a beginner at this wiki. It is different from all the others. I am trusted on all the "Other" Wikis I'm on. I have a wiki, and I have made 85 edits on it since I made it on the 5th...And I don't make "Bad Edits" Purposely, I had no idea that I had made even 1. I just thought I would be useful on this wiki by providing info...[[User:DialgaMaster105|DialgaMaster]] 23:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Just so you know ==

BW has been out for like two months or something, those are the English names. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

User:Luxraychu

2011-08-12T19:31:28Z

Luxraychu: /* Myself */

==Myself==
First off, I know. Luxraychu? Stupid user name. Obviously, One of my favorites is Luxray, but my other isn't any of
Pichu family. It should be my family nickname, Snorlax! Man, my user should be luxax or snorlux. You know, snorlux doesn't sound so bad. So those are my loves, but I do like eeveeloutions. My personal favorite is leafeon. However I feel the need to share some of my ideas for
future ones. I will add this section in a bit. Before I figure out the banana to add those cool side things that tell people about me, I'll say this. I'm male, In my teens, and stared to game pokemon when I picked up pokemon emerald version. My starter was torchic. I then got pokemon
platinum, and choose turtwig. Then, heart gold and Cyndaquil. Finally, I got Black and choose Oshawott. I'm also a major
hacker, and I have an AR dsi. I use it for shiny's, and collecting event pokemon that I missed.
My favorite shiny is espeon, and by extension my favorite color is green. I'm Canadian and I live in ontario. In heart gold I
have caught every single one. Call me cheesy, but my favorite legendary is Arceus.
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{{User Atheist|150}

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== Eeveeloutions ==

As I've said, and as you might have guessed, I'm not all that good at wikicode, so I am incapable of making a table. So, I'll just list off my ideas.
===Razeon===
Razeon is the steel type evolution of eevee and when a male eevee levels up in the same spot that Female eevee evolves into diameon, but instead becomes Razeon. It body is mainly grey, with ears resembling blades, and tail similar to the one skarmory has. Its highest stat would be defense.

Cacturne (Pokémon)

2011-08-12T15:17:08Z

Luxraychu: /* Special abilities */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Cacturne | type=grass | type2=dark | prevnum=331 | nextnum=333 | prev=Cacnea | next=Swablu }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Cacturne |
jname=ノクタス |
tmname=Noctus |
art=RS |
size=180px |
pron=<sc>cact-turn</sc> |
ndex=332 |
hdex=120 |
abrow=240 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Dark |
species=Scarecrow |
height-ftin=4'03" |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=170.6 |
weight-kg=77.4 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Sand Veil |
ability2= |
abilityd=Water Absorb |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Grass |
egggroup2=Human-Like |
eggcycles=20 |
evat=1|
evsa=1|
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Green |
catchrate=60 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=cacturne |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Cacturne''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ノクタス''' ''Noctus'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Dark}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Cacnea}} starting at [[level]] 32.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Cacturne is a Pokémon that is primarily green in coloration and possesses a humanoid appearance, resembling a scarecrow made of cacti. They have menacing features such as yellow eyes and its mouth being composed of holes on its face. Cacturne has numerous spikes dotted along the length of its arms, legs, and neck. A pattern of green rhombuses extends down from the front of its body. Cacturne possesses a triangular, spiky-tipped feature on their head that is a darker shade of green than most of Cacturne’s body and resembles some sort of hat.

====Gender differences====
A female Cacturne has a big, dark-green rhombus where a male Cacturne has two small, dark-green rhombuses.

====Special abilities====
Aside from its numerous poison abilities, Cacturne also carries Sand Veil. In a {{DL|Weather conditions|sandstorm}}, Cacturne's ability to avoid attacks is raised, giving it a sort of "home field advantage."

Prior to [[Generation V]], Cacturne, and its pre-evolution, {{p|Cacnea}}, were the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learn {{m|Needle Arm}}.

In addition, Cacturne's body retains moisture throughout the hot daylight hours. After spending thousands of years in harsh deserts, its blood transformed into the same substances as sand.

===Behavior===
Cacturne are usually unmoving during the daytime, being nocturnal Pokémon. At night when the temperature drops it will seek prey that is exhausted from the day’s desert heat, and may pursue travelers in the desert with others of its kind in a ragtag group. Such Cacturne bide their time, waiting for the traveler to tire and become incapable of moving.

===Habitat===
[[File:Roughterrain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rough-terrain Pokémon}}]]
Cacturne prefer to live in deserts.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Cacturne are carnivorous Pokémon, and hunt for prey in the dead of night.

==In the anime==
[[File:Harley Cacturne.png|thumb|210px|{{TP|Harley|Cacturne}} in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====Harley's Cacturne====
[[Harley]] owns a {{TP|Harley|Cacturne}}. It first appeared in ''[[AG103|A Cacturne for the Worse]]'', and has been Harley's main and best {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} since.

====Other====

===Minor appearances===
A Cacturne made a cameo appearance in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG103|Cacturne|May's Pokédex|Cacturne, the Scarecrow Pokémon. Cacturne is the evolved form of {{p|Cacnea}}, and has traits of both {{t|Grass}} and {{t|Dark}} [[type]]s. It rarely moves during the {{DL|Time|day}}, but is active once the temperature drops at {{DL|Time|night}}.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Hoenn}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Cacturne first appears in [[PS240]], under the ownership of [[Wally]]. He was first seen when he was rowing a boat during a flood caused by [[Kyogre]].

==In the TCG==
{{main|Cacturne (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=grass
|type2=dark
|gen=3
|rubydex=During the daytime, Cacturne remains unmoving so that it does not lose any moisture to the harsh desert sun. This Pokémon becomes active at night when the temperature drops.
|sapphiredex=If a traveler is going through a desert in the thick of night, Cacturne will follow in a ragtag group. The Pokémon are biding their time, waiting for the traveler to tire and become incapable of moving.
|emeralddex=After spending thousands of years in harsh deserts, its blood transformed into the same substances as sand. It is nocturnal, so it hunts at night.
|frlgdex=It lives in deserts. It becomes active at night when it hunts for prey exhausted from the desert's heat.
|dpptdex=It becomes active at night, seeking prey that is exhausted from the day's desert heat.
|hgssdex=Packs of them follow travelers through the desert until the travelers can no longer move.
|bwdex=It becomes active at night, seeking prey that is exhausted from the day's desert heat.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=grass |
type2=dark |
gen=3 |
frlgex=rse|
rsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Cacnea}} |
earea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Cacnea}} |
dprarity=Common |
dparea={{rt|228|Sinnoh}} |
ptrarity=Common |
ptarea={{rt|228|Sinnoh}} |
hgssrarity=Rare |
hgssarea={{jo|Safari Zone}} |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Grass
|type2=Dark
|pinballrs=Evolve from {{p|Cacnea}}
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 2]] Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=Evolve from {{p|Cacnea}}
|md2=[[Northern Desert]] (9F-15F)
|ranger2=[[Haruba Desert]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=grass|type2=dark
|dppt1=Sticky Barb|dppt1type=In-battle effect item|dppt1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass |
type2=dark |
HP= 70 |
Attack=115 |
Defense=60 |
SpAtk= 115 |
SpDef= 60 |
Speed= 55 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|type2=Dark
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=grass|
type2=dark|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 400 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 0 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 50 |

notes=yes|
dark=yes|
newpsychic=1|
waterabsorb=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Revenge|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Poison Sting|Poison|Physical|15|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Pin Missile|Bug|Physical|14|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Ingrain|Grass|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|35|Spikes|Ground|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Needle Arm|Grass|Physical|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|59|Cotton Spore|Grass|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]] ====
{{learnlist/tmh|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM09|Venoshock|Poison|Special|65|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|045|Vileplume}}{{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}}{{MSP|070|Weepinbell}} {{MSP|071|Victreebel}}|Acid|Poison|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|107|Hitmonchan}}{{MSP|237|Hitmontop}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}{{MSP|539|Sawk}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|064|Kadabra}}{{MSP|065|Alakazam}}{{MSP|096|Drowzee}}{{MSP|097|Hypno}}|Disable|Normal|Status|—|80|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|066|Machop}}{{MSP|067|Machoke}}{{MSP|068|Machamp}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}{{MSP|532|Timburr}}{{MSP|533|Gurdurr}} {{MSP|534|Conkeldurr}}|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}|GrassWhistle|Grass|Status|—|55|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|066|Machop}}{{MSP|067|Machoke}}{{MSP|068|Machamp}}{{MSP|125|Electabuzz}}{{MSP|466|Electivire}}{{MSP|532|Timburr}} {{MSP|533|Gurdurr}}{{MSP|534|Conkeldurr}}|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|50|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|122|Mr. Mime}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}} {{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|096|Drowzee}}{{MSP|097|Hypno}}{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}} {{MSP|453|Croagunk}}{{MSP|454|Toxicroak}}|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|Smart|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|296|Makuhita}}{{MSP|297|Hariyama}}|SmellingSalt|Normal|Physical|60|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|097|Hypno}}|Switcheroo|Dark|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|327|Spinda}}|Teeter Dance|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}} {{MSP|188|Skiploom}}{{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}} {{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Cacturne|Grass|Dark|5|3}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
type2=dark |
ndex=332 |
pinballrs=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Furnace Desert |
P1=It's too hot in the desert, so I like it at night. |
P2=I'm not looking good. I lost around half my HP so far... |
P3=I'm about done. My body's stiffening up tight... |
PL=Fufufu... I leveled up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5 |
iq=C |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Dark |
assist2=Dark |
field2=Crush |
field2power=2 |
browser2=It attacks by scattering needles. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=331
|name1=Cacnea
|type1-1=Grass
|evotype1=Level
|level1=32
|sprite2=332
|name2=Cacturne
|type1-2=Grass
|type2-2=Dark}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
type2=dark|
gen=3|
gender=both|
ndex=332|
name=Cacturne|
}}

==Trivia==
*Despite Cacturne being a [[nocturnal Pokémon]], it can be found in the wild at any time in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}.
**This is rectified in {{game|Platinum}}, as it is only available during the morning or night.
*As of [[Generation V]], no other Pokémon have same dual [[egg group]] as Cacturne and its {{p|Cacnea|pre-evolution}}. In this case, {{egg|Grass}} and {{egg|Human-Like}}, are unique.

===Origin===
Cacturne is based on a {{wp|cactus}}, possibly the {{wp|saguaro}}, and a {{wp|scarecrow}}. It could be associated with nighttime because Cacti are known as night (CAM) plants, as their CO2 fixation process occurs during the night.

====Name origin====
Cacturne's name is a combination of ''{{wp|cactus}}'' and ''{{wp|nocturne (painting)|nocturne}}'' or ''{{wp|nocturnal}}'', or possibly {{wp|tricorne}}, referring to its head shape. ''Noctus'' is also a combination of these words, albeit in a different order.

==In other languages==
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| 夢歌奈亞 ''Mèng Gē Nài Yà''
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==Related articles==
*[[Harley's Cacturne]]

==External links==
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But... we don't even know if they're a trio... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Wait a tick... ==

Palkia is the Space pokemon 
Dialga is the Time pokemon 
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon 

Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?

Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an "ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it:
Arceus ; life ; Alpha
Giratina ; death ; Omega

Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work? Myrmidon 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:That'd then make Arceus the master of this trio, too... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

::Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. [[User:Pokéball|Pok]][[User_talk:Pokéball|é]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]] 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Here's proof:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.[[User:Dark0805|'''Dark0805''']] ([[User talk:Dark0805|''talk'']]|[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|''contribs'']]) 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Compare to this:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:382.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:383.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:384.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="12"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Mud Shot}}''' || '''{{m|Twister}}'''
|-
| 5 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 15 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 20 || '''{{m|Body Slam}}''' || '''{{m|Slash}}''' || '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 30 || {{m|Calm Mind}} || {{m|Bulk Up}} || {{m|Dragon Dance}}
|-
| 35 || '''{{m|Ice Beam}}''' || '''{{m|Earthquake}}''' || '''{{m|Crunch}}'''
|-
| 45 || '''{{m|Hydro Pump}}''' || '''{{m|Fire Blast}}''' || '''{{m|Fly}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Rest}}
|-
| 60 || '''{{m|Sheer Cold}}''' || '''{{m|Fissure}}''' || '''{{m|Extremespeed}}'''
|-
| 65 || '''{{m|Double-Edge}}''' || '''{{m|Solarbeam}}''' || '''{{m|Hyper Beam}}'''
|-
| 75 || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Earth Power}}''' || '''{{m|Dragon Pulse}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Water Spout}}''' || '''{{m|Eruption}}''' || '''{{m|Outrage}}'''
|}

Or this:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:377.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:378.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:379.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="12"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{M|Explosion}}'''
|-
| 9 || '''{{m|Rock Throw}}''' || '''{{m|Icy Wind}}''' || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}'''
|-
| 17 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Curse}}
|-
| 25 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Superpower}}'''
|-
| 33 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 41 || {{m|Iron Defense}}   ||   {{m|Amnesia}} || {{m|Iron Defense}} {{m|Amnesia}}
|-
| 49 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Charge Beam}}'''
|-
| 57 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Lock On}}
|-
| 65 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Zap Cannon}}'''
|-
| 73 || '''{{m|Stone Edge}}'''   ||   '''{{m|Ice Beam}}''' || '''{{m|Iron Head}}''' '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'''
|-
| 81 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Hammer Arm}}'''
|-
| 89 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Hyper Beam}}'''
|}

[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]]

AND THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME STATS ONLY MIXED UP.

So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!![[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']] 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:Unless someone can give me ''official'' proof that these three are the trio, and that {{p|Giratina}} is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. [[Canon]], people! -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]

::"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that [[Ash Ketchum]] is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]
:How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

::::[[Shipping]] '''usually''' has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's '''accepted''' that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]
:::::These three Pokémon being a trio '''has some logical basis,''' and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this '''may''' come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio:
*They all have the same stats just mixed up.
*They have similar moves, as seen above.
*They look similar in appearance.
*They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world.
*I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife.
But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, '''if''' a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}01:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::IF there's a V3. Gen IV has been avoiding most of the rules, such as nearly getting Dark, Psychic and Fighting starters and not all the new Pokémon are in the new dex. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

wait.. if we go by emeralds patten. the '''''MAY''''' be a battle between Palkia and diagla as depicted in the movies and Giratina will quell the battle. {{u|Dakclaw}}

Giratina cannot represent the afterlife, as the Lake trio have been stated to represent spirit. MATTER, on the other hand, is seperate from space and time, yet does not seem to be represented by Giratina. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:I'm not talking about MATTER, I'm talking about life. What creates life, besides spirit. Space, for things to move. Time, for things to accelerate. And a life after life...{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

::I doubt that Giratina represents life after death, but I do beleive he represents Death itself. He lives in a cemetary and is part ghost. [[User:Noname|Noname]] The afterlife would be a bit of a streach and I doubt they would do that in a pokemon game.

::::::whait you're forgetting something important. If any of you has played Ruby/Sapphire, you'll note that Rayquaza is not considered part of the wheather trio, althought it has similar attacks and base stats, and it is catchable only after the elite 4. it is later given a special role in Emerald AND THEN IT IS CONSIDERED part of it. Maybe it is what will happen with Giratina, and in the third Sinnoh game, a legend will say that Arceus created the three, as it happened in Emerald with Rayquaza who in Ruby/Sapphire is not mentioned anywhere. [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, until then, this is pure speculation, which does not belong here. We need a template or something that states that it's only speculation, and is not canon as of yet. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Giratina is part of the trio, opposing both Palkia and Dialga. I believe it's something like this: Palkia is space, Dialga is time, and Giratina would be the ''absence'' of space/time. If it's established that Giratina is "a Pokémon from another dimension", it's very easy to understand that the concept of time is different to Giratina. Also, his signature move being "Dark Void" tells us about the concept of space (also different from ours). Anyway, let's wait for the third game. I'm quite sure they'll explore Giratina as opposed to Dialga/Palkia, or maybe some collateral effect of Arceus' creation. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:I agree 100% with you, but Giratina's signature move is {{m|Shadow Force}}. {{m|Dark Void}} is {{p|Darkrai}}'s signature. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

::Since this is speculation anyway, consider this: Giratina's Shadow Force makes it "suddenly vanish", making it completely untouchable. It's possible it does this but exploiting it's absence of space and time, then the next turn it rematerializes intersecting its target, causing the damage as the solid matter (or pseudo-solid in Giratina's case) violently attempts to resolve a physical impossibility.--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written {{m|Dark Void}} with the ingame animation of {{m|Shadow Force}} in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

==Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed==
At last no more speculation. People who hasn't checked Serebii.net do it. A hi-res scan of the Coro coro magazine has leaked and is available [http://serebii.net/platinum/scan.jpg here]. As you can see in the pic, cyrus is standing in front of Dialga, Palkia and the shadow of Giratina. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:That imaged could be faked or photoshopped......[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|C is for Cookie]] 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Please know that THE WHOLE THING CAN BE FAKE!•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

giratina is on teh box art for pokemon platinum which has been officially announced... [[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Well then NOW it is conformed.•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 20:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::well then lugia ho-oh and suicune are a trio by that logic - touché! '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 11:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Not really. The boxart proves nothing by itself, or Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur would be a trio. But with the other evidence shared among the members of this trio (similar typing, all half {{t|Dragon}}; similar moves at the same levels; similar origin for their names ''Dia''mond/Dialga, ''P''e''a''r''l''/Palkia, Pla''tina''/Giratina)... well it pretty much says it all. But ''until we get evidence that Arceus also made Giratina'', which is undoubtedly the case, I would say, the dragon trio technically is unconfirmed. Come September, though, the whole thing will become clear.
:::I hate to be a hardass here, but hey, we're not taking any crap when it comes to anime Pokémon's gender (even for Ash's Charizard, and that's ''honestly ridiculous'' in my mind), so no crap is taken here. This trio is almost official. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Where is it written that trios ''have'' to have a master? That idea came more from the anime and the [[The Power of One|second movie]] than anything else. Furthermore, should we really be classifying trios of [[version mascot]]s the same way we do the honest-to-[[Arceus (Pokémon)|God]] trios (ie, the birds, the beasts, the golems, the bizzare psychic things)? I've always had a problem with that. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 09:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== No way ==

It's not necessarily part of the trio, as a matter a fact, I think it's the leader-guy! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:03 16 May 2008'''''
:Excuse me for asking, but what do you mean by "leader-guy"? As in leader of the "duo", or the duo and Arceus? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I believe he thinks that Giratina is sort of the '''trio master''' of the '''duo'''. But I believe that they all are a trio only with Giratina being the strongest.•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Everybody wait for platinum instead of saying "NUH UH MY THEORY IZ BETR THAN YERZ". [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I never said anything. I just believe what I said.'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[Dragon trio|102]]''' 00:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::This is the same as the weather trio. They are a trio, but there's one that's seemingly more powerful than the other two. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Thats a good point but it would still be BETTER to JUST WAIT. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== images ==

I think the image should go back to the turnback cave 1 the new 1 does not clearly depict Giratina its a silohuette and the others are in Sprite Form.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 20:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:The new image is important, though, as it demonstrates that there is probably some sort of link between the three. I think we should have both images; that way, there'd be one for each of them on their own in DP, and one of them all together in Platinum. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree 100% [[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey... ==

Look Its a trio with it being Dialga:Time Palkia:Space Giratina: '''VOID''' with arceus being the trio master of spirit and the dragon trio. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 17:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:That makes perfect sense.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
== Proof ==

Pokémon Platinum serves as proof that this is a trio similar to the weather trio. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

:Wouldn't that be like saying Lugia, Ho-Oh and Suicune are a trio? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::Nopes. Lugia and Ho-oh are kind of a duo, and Suicune is just a version mascot. Suicune has nothing to do with Lugia and that's why they aren't a trio. In Gen III however, Groudon and Kyogre were a duo, and Rayquaza was a Pokémon that had apparently no relation to the other two (not even in its pokédex description). However in Emerald, it was revealed to be part of the trio, as it's the only one capable of stoping the effects of Kyogre and Groudon. This is exactly the same that's gonna happen with Giratina. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== I've been thinking about something... ==

I was watching TV one day and they said something about Time, Space and DIMENSION.
That made me think about how each of the dragon trio has a certain control over what they represent
and that Giratina has control over dimension. So wouldn't that make Giratina represent Dimension? [[User:Darkmaster0]] 20:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:True. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I was thinking the same. In fact I'd like to suggest renaming the trio to a more specific term like '''Reality trio''', as in time, space and dimension being the three elements of reality, though I prefer to leave it up for debate. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 01:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it was on doctor who - TARDIS stands for {{p|Dialga|'''Time'''}} And Relative {{p|Giratina|'''Dimension'''}} In {{p|Palkia|'''Space'''}}. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 12:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::TARDIS Dragons, then? :) --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 13:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::LOL'''[[User:Shazaaaam|SHA]][[User_talk:Shazaaaam|ZAA]][[Special:Contributions/Shazaaaam|AAM!]]''' 13:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that Giratina represents the NEGATIVE of Dialga and Palkia's respective dimensions, like the negative of an photograph. It's as if the negative were intertwined behind the strings of dimension, thus it having a connection, like an astral plane. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 14:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Somebody is misinformed here. Space is the combination OF the first three DIMENSION'''S'''. The fourth Dimension is the forward and backward directions of Time. Also, if Giratina resides in the '''Reverse'''World, then surely there should be a fourth - to oppose both Dialga and Palkia! Do I make sense?[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 20:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm, sorry to bump an old topic, but I believe SPACE is the first three dimensions and TIME is the fourth. A 3D thing can't see anything 4D or higher (that's why we can't 'see' time). Giratina is in the Reverse World, supposedly a separate world from ours. However, could it be that the Reverse World is our world, just that it has more dimensions? And building on that, does that mean that the Reverse World allows travel in time? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:46 3 Sep 2008'''''
::Now that you mention it, string theory has those six extra curled-up dimensions, which could be why the Reverse/Torn world is shaped so oddly...
::Although I somehow doubt that the people responsible for coming up with these things pay much attention to theoretical physics. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 20:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Especially since those curled up dimensions are very 'small'. And that it is called the 'Reverse' world suggests a form of opposition, as is found with matter and anti-matter, therefore necessitating the need for a fourth related Legendary to maintain the balance of the worlds. i.e. If Giratina is the 'Reverse' equivalent of either Dialga or Palkia, then there is an imbalance - and a Gap to be filled by another Reverse World Pokémon.[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 23:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:::: Also, the First two Seasons of the Diamond and Pearl series are What? Diamond and Pearl, the first two Games of [[Generation IV]]; and Battle DIMENTION, the thing that Giratina controls. [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£ik@chµ]] 00:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]]
:::::Obviously yo didn't get it... SPACE and TIME '''are''' DIMENTIONS. Giratina doen't control DIMENTION, or it would have been named "Spatial and Temporal Pokémon" instead of "Renegade Pokémon". He is more a negative-space controlling Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, u r sayin that {{p|Giratina|Giratina}} controls somethin' like a {{wp|blackhole}}? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly. A black hole is a strong gravitational field around nothing (like a planet or star). Giratina seems to control a negative space, created of anti-matter, but there seems to be an unbalance as it looks to be only the oposite of Palkia. There is an unbalance because in its dimension there is no anti-temporal Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:By jove I got through to somebody at last! The creators have either been very neglectful, or Giratina is not a specific opposite to any other Pokemon. As has been said then if it were the opposite to one of the other Dragons then there must have been a fourth! (Maybe they are saving it for the remakes;-p.)[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 22:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for opening an old subject; But i think i've figgured it out. The three thinks that make up the univirse are Space(Contoled by Palkia), Time (Controled by Dialga), and Matter (Giratina?) and is there any info in Plt.? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 22:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::No, its Dimension isnt it. Anything has dimensions, even an atom, is 0.000000001 something wide. I guess its another way of saying matter. So eventually when they make Gen 4 remakes LOL, in Gen 6, itl be TimeDiamond, SpacePearl, and DimensionPlatinum LOL. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 19:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Palkia (Pokémon)|Space]] (width, length, and depth) and [[Dialga (Pokémon)|time]] ARE the freaking known dimensionss!!!! stop with that!! Giratina doesn't control dimension, or Arceus had only created him to do both time and space and not Dialga and Palkia!!!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Giratina controls an alternate dimension, parallel to the real world. The torn world-where the laws of physics in the real world don't apply. Giratina seems to control what is the reverse reality or the reverse dimension to the real Pokémon world. I don't think that calling it, and by it i mean a future game that probably won't even ever be considered to be produced, "DimensionPlatinum" is sensible. The only reason they had FRLG was because it was impossible to have your Ruby Version trade with your Blue version. Plus, with much better graphics, it was a really cool game to play if you are someone who loves the originals.
Anyway, Giratina does control something: an alternate dimension. Maybe even the dimension opposite of what we call the living world because it is mentioned in on of the Pokédex entries that it hangs around graveyards. Maybe that's what it does when it enters the natural world. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:Giratina is supposed to balance out the Time and Space. In Platinum, Cyrus says DNA has two strands to balance out each other. D/P is one part while Giratina is the other. But I also think that if it was caught, the world it created/lived in would stay like D/P if they were rather than destroy like Cyrus said. So I'm not sure. It is probably confined to Turnback Cave when it visits the world for its "crimes".{{u|Laxafett}} 19:12, 12 August 2009(UTC)

I figured it out. Arceus created Giratina to be the controller of space-time, but it used it's power's wrongly, so it was banished to the Distortion world, so Arceus created Dialga and Palkia to do what Giratina would have done if he was good--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 22:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== New Table ==
I think this resolves everything:

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
|Species
| align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}} || align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}} || align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
|-
| Type 1
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | '''Steel'''-type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Type 2
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
|-
| Level 10
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | ''{{m|Metal Claw}}'' '''Steel'''-Type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | ''{{m|Water Pulse}}'' '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Level 40
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | ''{{m|Roar of Time}}'' '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | ''{{m|Spacial Rend}}'' '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Shadow Force}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Level 80
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | ''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'' '''Steel'''-type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | ''{{m|Aqua Tail}}'' '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|}

'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 13:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

== Form/Forme ==

Change it. It's in the article. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:52 3 Sep 2008'''''

:There's no real need to change something if pretty much 100% it's not going to stick, such as this whole "forme" bullsh*t. Trust me, it'll be "Origin Form" when it's revealed stateside, and that'll be the end of this whole "forme" debacle. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::Except for Deoxys being Attack Forme on Pokémon.com, you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Giratina Sprite ==

Should we use the Platinum Sprite for Giratina? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£ik@chµ]] 00:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join the [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]]:D
:As in.. Origin Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yea. [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]].

== Platina Version release, Dragon Trio status Confirmed ==

So, with Platina Version released Japan-side, is it pretty much safe to say that this article no longer needs the "disputed" status? Giratina has had a confirmed role alongside Dialga and Palkia, and the status of the Dragon Trio is confirmed. Is it safe to remove the "disputed" label, or will doing so cause a bomb explosion of hate and flame? I won't do so until I'm granted confirmation people aren't going to flip out on me for doing so. Same goes for the Legendary Pokémon article, which is similarly out of date. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

*I agree. It's pretty freaking obvious from the start that Giratina goes along with Dialga and Palkia. I know having proof is important but seriously, it was so obvious that Giratina belongs in the dragon trio. That's just how Nintendo does things. If the Pokémon have similar move sets, and in this case, one type shared by all 3, then changes are, they are trios. Plus, with the way game mascots are assigned now (refering to Generation III), it gives you a little more proof. It's almost like people need Nintendo to just come out and say "hey guys, Giratina is in the dragon trio with Dialga and Palkia now so no more speculation, yeah!" for them to truly consider Giratina as a member of the dragon trio. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

==Dimensional Trio?==

Shouldn't it be called the Dimensional Trio? It's like Palkia rules the third dimension, Dialga rules the fourth dimension, and Giratina probably rules the fifth dimension. The place where they all live must be the SIXTH dimension, based on implications from the Darkrai and Shaymin movies, (you know, where all the Unown live) because they have to be in a dimension higher than theirs to warp them, and in the Shaymin movie Dialga and Palkia apparently trashed Giratina's place. (Giratina is probably the oddball in this, because he lives in the fifth dimension to guard it, but he probably moved at the beginning of everything, but Dialga and Palkia don't need to stay in their dimensions to guard it, and there are also Pokemon who guard their dimensions, like Celebi for Dialga, and every Pokemon and human in the universe for Palkia) Because of this, Dialga and Palkia can warp Giratina's dimension (although without having the power to control it) like they did in the Shaymin movie. I say the reason why Dialga and Palkia can't control each other's dimensions is:

1: They don't have the power to do so.
2. Arceus, who lives in the SEVENTH dimension, has made it impossible for them to even WARP each other's dimensions.

I also say the reason that Dialga and Palkia are apparently able to warp GIRATINA'S dimension is that Giratina's dimension is a parallel to the regular one, and you can't control one dimension without warping the parallel dimension in some way.

All this, however, is just my opinion, except for the fact that all this opinion backs up my statement that it should be called the DIMENSIONAL trio. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 17:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, DIMENSIONAL seems appropiate. I agree =O '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, ''Fifth'' dimension? You mean a tesseract?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary titans trio? ==

According to [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do Circuit City], which released the English name for persons, things, and places in Platinum, the official name semms to be "legendary titans" or "legendary titans trio". Can any sysop ''please'' move the page to it's official, English name? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 14:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
: I'd rather we didn't because I don't know how reliable Circuit City is with names. Besides, it may not even be official. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:: For whatever it's worth, I looked at Pokebeach (I look at Pokebeach and Serebii as well as Bulbapedia) and they said that Circuit City removed the information. So they might have been told to take it down by Nintendo. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:::That's what I'm guessing too. I'm near certain that the lake and dragon trios will get official names soon (legendary pixies and titans), and Brock's gonna be seeing Uxie by DP120. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

No {{an|May}} saw {{p|Uxie}} --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:May saw the lake if I remember right, but didn't mention Uxie... I dunno, I never saw the dub version, but I heard no mention of "Yuxie". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, what the heck with it. "Legendary Titans" sounds better. LET'S MOVE IT!!! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, i really don't like the idea of calling them "Titans". Based on the old greek mythology and definitions, i always saw the weather trio as more the Titans as compared to the dragon trios god-hood. But then, this is just probably cuz Nintendo is too cowardly to dare use the g-word.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:There's been no confirmation of the "titans" name yet, only of the Platinum release date. Note [[Handsome]] and [[Pluto]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ah but everything else from that circuit city page has been confirmed true, and besides, can't we change it anyway? Seriously, ''Titans'' makes more sense than ''Dragons''[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 15:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It ''might'' be official since it's under "Manufacturer's description", but IDK. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Spacial Rend ==
It's colored a light blue colored as if it were a water-type move instead of a dragon-type move. was this done on purpose or something? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 01:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:GASP! TEH COLOR MEANS EVERYTHING. Osrry. I severly doubt it, it could have just been colored that way[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Yeah, I figure this was done to show the primary type of each of the titans, but to be more align with the rest of the 'pedia can an admin change this? As the page is locked. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::The coloration (in those three rows, at least) is more to represent the differences between the dragons, rather than the types of their moves. If we changed Spacial Rend (and Roar of Time, for that matter), it'd mess up the aesthetics of the table. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::But what about the tables at [[legendary birds]], [[legendary golems]], or [[lake trio]]? Surely displaying the correct type, as all other tables do around the entire wiki, is more important than making three colored lines. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ugh. I likes me my pretty lines. If it were up to me, I'd change the other pages... still, it's not. At any rate, I'll change it for now, at least. Maybe I can get my pretty lines back later. (And maybe they'll release Classics Soundwave, and maybe my classes won't be so hard next semester, and...) --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. I admit, it did ''look'' better before, but a certain echidna once told me that we strive for accuracy at Bulbapedia. And here accuracy does mean correct typing. This "razz frazzin' [{{tt|adult|in body if not in mind}}]" thanks you for carrying out his "razz frazzin' edit" :D — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hey, I'm nineteen, practically venerable. I can call whoever I want a "kid."
::::::Anyway, 's cool. This is a community project, and I'm no community (the voices in my head don't count). Just so long as I got them all. Anything else needs did-ing, come poke my talk page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==Greek Gods==
I was thinking, ever notice how the dragons seem to be like Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus of Greek mythology? Like, Palkia/Poseidon is the more substantial and more all-present of the three, Zeus/Dialga is the more ethereal and less reachable, and Giratina/Hades is the one who can't live with the others and guard a dimension which no one wants, and controls the afterlife.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 23:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting theory, but considering that Zeus was the king of the gods, wouldn't that be Arceus instead of Dialga? I was thinking that same thing with Hades, seeing as Giratina is the Renegade pokemon, like he's defying Arceus and was sent to guard the dimension people would rather avoid... ARGH! I'm an atheist and I was about to go into a God/Satan thing... But in my opinion, just like Rayquaza in Emerald, Giratina will be added to The Original Story and whatever Giratina controls will be mentioned alongside Time and Space... [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do do do. All mythology is basically the same. I could find you three main gods in the Egyptian Religion and Norse Mythology that function the same way you described. Basically, no.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Actually, Arceus would in this case be more similar to the Titan Kronos, in that it is the "father" of the dragon trio/main greek gods.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 14:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good point, but then, Zeus killed Kronus because Kronus ate his "kids." I can't see anyone killing Arceus- except for certain fans- and Arceus certainly didn't eat the dragon trio. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Movie 12|To the '''Conquering''' of Space-Time]]. If that's not children revolting against a maker... [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 19:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::::No, I'd say it's more of one child beating the crap out of the other two. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]][[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]][[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 20:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Look, lets just wait for To the conquering of space-time. Then we ''should'' find out all we need to know about Arceus.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 13:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Dragon Trio has as much to do with the greek gods as the Weather Trio have to do with them. Over.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::No.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 18:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|O RLY? Kyogre is Posieden. Hades causes earthquakes. So does Groudon. Zeus is God of the Sky, GASP! SO IS RAYQUAZA!|This is ma boomstick!}}[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 18:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Silly, everyone knows that Hades doesn't cause Earthquakes.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 20:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Silly, remember in the myth of how he stole his wife? ( I think Persephone). He caused an earthquake and kidnapped her, the Goddess of Earth (not Gaia) got angry and wouldnt let the earth grow, zeus comprimised, Persephone spends half her time in the Underworld *winter* half her time on earth *summer spring*[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 20:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys, stop this silly discussion once and for all. They are not based on the greek gods or something, so please stop. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Btw, Posidien causes earthquakes. [[User:ShinyPikachu|'ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ']] 01:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::And so can Hades[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just to set things straight: Hades does not "cause earthquakes". In the myth of Persephone, all he did was make the ground open. That's not an earthquake. The earth might shake in result of the ground opening, but Poseidon is directly connected to the occurance of earthquakes, whereas for Hades, they are nothing but a side-effect. Not the same thing. He does not deliberately make it shake beneath your feet, so he is not the patron of them (like Poseidon is). Anyone trying to argue, in jest or in seriousness, that Groudon is Hades...bwahaha. Yer tring 2 herd. And that "goddess of the earth" is no such thing. Persephone's mother is Demeter, patron of the harvest. The myth is also slightly deeper than that. Amateurs.

::Triads of gods are a popular theme in mythology. 3 is a magic number of checks and balances. You can take any trio and set them over any set of three gods remotedly connected, and have yourself a barbeque comparing and contracting, pushing and pulling until the pieces fit lopsidedly. There's no sense in noting it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could someone edit Another Forme -> Altered Forme, since the page is protected? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 20:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Triviatastic curiosity ==

No two members of the trio have the same number of legs. Even considering Giratina's OF this remains true, as Giratina OF has no legs, Palkia has two, Dialga has four and Giratina AF has six. I myself find it odd/curious. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 17:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do it[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Forgot to add, since it's blocked I can't edit it in. Would you mind to add this shallow appreciation? TiA.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Three beings were born to bind time and space."
It said this on the draco plate, but only Dialga and Palkia have anything to do with time/space. On the plate page, if you click on where it says three beings it navigates too a page about the lake trio. They, however, have nothing to do time and space, only spirit. Perhaps this third being is Giratina? I choose to stay neutral until the theory is proven.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 17:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Eh. The Distorted World Distorts space and is in its own time[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 17:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::So you're saying the link should be changed (or at least, that we should consider changing it)? And if so, wouldn't it make more sense to bring this up there? But yeah, I'll take a look. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::No, wait. It can't be the Dragon trio, because it mentions "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One" right before that. So I guess Giratina's just being left out. Those jerks. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the page for heatran and, sorry to stir up this wierd argument even more, but it says something about it being created as an after effect of the creation of Dialga and Palkia. This could mean that the trio is of Dialga, Palkia and Heatran. I'll check their move sets and compare them, but i doubt it.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, completely different. Btw, I just want to shine my doubt on the theory of Girantina being death and arceus life. It cannot work, because they have such different stats. To keep things in balence, they would need to be equally strong, like the other trios.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Something i noticed ==

I noticed it says this in the article:
:"Dialga controls time and Palkia controls space, two aspects of the '''four-dimensional universe''' that the Pokémon world, like our own, is a part of. The final member, Giratina, apparently has control over other dimensions like the Distortion World, which may itself be a location with a '''fourth spacial dimension'''. "
Shouldn't that be the fifth dimension, since the Dialga and Palkia control the other four? I would've just changed it myself, but... well... I can't.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 15:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect ==

Admin, could you please protect this page? We don't need vandals addin False information about HGSS, and such. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Considering that we've known about this for ages and no one had bothered to put any information about HGSS on at all (which is true, btw), I'm denying this request. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== The Dragon Trio Movesets and HGSS ==

Now, I couldn't do what I did on the [[Weather Trio]] page because not only were the movesets different, but so were the levels where they learn them. Since it would be a scattered mess if I combined them, I had to make a new list for HGSS. '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' - 17:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

== Eggs ==

I know they're obtained at level one in HGSS but are they technically hatched from eggs? When I get my Dragon baby, will it say "hatched at Shinto Ruins" or will it say "met at Shinto Ruins"?

And why does Firefox's spell check recognize Shinto as an actual word?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 08:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno for sure, but it will proably say "met at Shinto Ruins" as for spell check, Shinto is some sort of Japanese spiritual thing, according to Wikipedia. [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 08:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Of course, they DO technically hatch from eggs in the cutscene. I'd guess it doesn't count as "hatched" because the egg wasn't ''technically'' in your possession when it hatched. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

==Dimensional Trio?==
Each of them has control over their own [[Dimensions]], and these Dimensions have a strong connection to their power. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:I'm for this as well. Dragon seems to be the creators' favorite picks for Legendary, so maybe we need something more specific, my suggestion: Dimensional Dragons. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 22:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Spacetime link ==

I read in the beginning of the article about the four-dimensional space, clicked the link, and it went to a Wikipedia article on Spacetime. But I think, considering it says four-dimesional, it should lead to a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract tesseract], which is one dimension higher than a cube, which is three-dimensional, making the tesseract four-dimensional. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 14:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Renames ==

I'm thinking God dragon trio, as opposed to the Energy dragon trio. If the word "god" is too offensive to describe them (wimps), maybe the creation dragon trio? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:I like Creation dragon trio. In fact, perhaps just Creation trio, as both Creation dragon trio and, for that matter, Energy dragon trio are a bit cumbersome compared to other trio names. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::I support the "Creation trio" name, it's less species specific and more in line with their myth. For the Isshu dragons, I think "Balance trio" or "Tao trio" would be more fitting.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I never understood the "Dragon trio" name anyway, I'm a supporter for "Creation trio" as well. --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 17:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm voting in favor of changing the name to "Creation trio". We have [[Energy dragon trio|another trio]] that consists of all [[Dragon (type)|Dragon-types]] now so the name "Dragon trio" might be too confusing.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[Special:Contributions/Alex726|'''contributions''']] 00:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Really? ==

The last trivia point claims that Kyurem is a version mascot. It is likely, but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves claiming things that haven't been revealed. Just a thought. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon of myth/Archive 1

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Talk:Pokémon of myth/Archive 1

2011-08-08T13:05:27Z

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Axew (Pokémon)

2011-08-08T12:47:17Z

Luxraychu: /* Behavior */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Axew | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Axew |
jname=キバゴ |
tmname=Kibago |
size=160px|
art=BW |
species=Tusk |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rivalry |
ability2=Mold Breaker |
abilityd=Unnerve |
ndex=610 |
udex=116 |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=39.7 |
weight-kg=18.0 |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster|
egggroup2=Dragon|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=Green|
catchrate=75|
evat=1|
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Axew''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キバゴ''' ''Kibago'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Fraxure}} starting at [[level]] 38, which then evolves into {{p|Haxorus}} starting at level 48.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Axew is a bipedal, greenish-colored Pokémon with noticeable nostrils and pale tusks protruding from the sides of its mouth. The back of its head, tipped with dark grayish-green coloration, has a horn- or spike-like, pointed and tall protrusion. Axew also has dark grayish-green coloration rimming its eyes, which have red irises. A collar-like, forest-green patterning encircles its neck; most of its body is a dull grayish green. Axew's limbs and tail are small, with its forelimbs having three digits and its feet having two digits.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
An Axew's tusks can easily regenerate at a rapid rate when broken, and will regrow if they fall out. Repeated regrowth makes their tusks sharp and strong. As shown in [[BW027|The Dragon Master's Path]], Axew are very good at climbing walls.

===Behavior===
With the use of their tusks, Axew mark their territory by putting gashes on trees and plants. They crush Berries with their tusks before eating them.

===Habitat===
Axew live in areas with plants. They also prefer to live in caves.

===Diet===
Axew's main diet consists Berries, which it crushes with its tusks before eating.

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Axew.png|thumb|right|250px|Iris and her Axew]]
===Major appearances===
====Iris's Axew====
{{main|Iris's Axew}}
{{an|Iris}} owns an {{TP|Iris|Axew}}, which was introduced with her in ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''. She carries him with her, outside of a Poké Ball, in her hair. His major goal is to evolve into a mighty {{p|Haxorus}}.

====Other====

===Minor appearances===
Multiple Axew appeared in {{an|Iris}}'s flashback in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]''.


===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW002|Axew|Ash's Pokédex|Axew, the Tusk Pokémon. Axew marks its territory by making scratch marks on trees with its tusks, which regrow if they fall out.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Axew (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dragon
|gen=5
|blackdex=They use their tusks to crush the berries they eat. Repeated regrowth makes their tusks strong and sharp.
|whitedex=They mark their territory by leaving gashes in trees with their tusks. If a tusk breaks, a new one grows in quickly.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Uncommon|
bwarea=[[Mistralton Cave]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
HP=46|
Attack=87|
Defense=60|
SpAtk=30|
SpDef=40|
Speed=57}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Dual Chop|Dragon|Physical|40|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|24|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Guillotine|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|61|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|004|Charmander}}{{MSP|005|Charmeleon}}{{MSP|006|Charizard}}{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}} {{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}} {{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}} {{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Counter|Physical|Status|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|333|Swablu}}{{MSP|334|Altaria}}{{MSP|610|Axew}} {{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|116|Horsea}} {{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|371|Bagon}}{{MSP|372|Shelgon}}{{MSP|373|Salamence}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}} {{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|254|Sceptile}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|252|Treecko}}{{MSP|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP|254|Sceptile}} {{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|||*}}{{learnlist/breedf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====Special moves====
====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Iris's Axew|Iris's]] [[List_of_North_American_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2011#Iris's Axew|Axew]]|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|||1}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=610
|name1=Axew
|type1-1=Dragon
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=611
|name2=Fraxure
|type1-2=Dragon
|evotype2=Level
|level2=48
|sprite3=612
|name3=Haxorus
|type1-3=Dragon
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=dragon |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Axew |
ndex=610
}}

==Trivia==
* Axew was first seen on [[a:File:BW anime.png|concept art]] from the {{series|Best Wishes}} along with {{p|Servine}}, {{p|Dewott}}, and {{p|Woobat}}.
* Axew is the only Pokémon with the ability {{a|Unnerve}} that is able to evolve twice.
* Axew and its evolutionary relatives are currently the only pure {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon that don't gain a second type by [[evolution]].

===Origin===
Axew's tusks are similar in appearance to {{wp|Scutosaurus|Scutosaurid}}'s or possibly {{wp|Ceratopsia|Ceratopsid}}'s cheekbone tusks. Its crest may be based on a {{wp|Hadrosaurid|Hadrosaurid}}'s, more specifically {{wp|Saurolophus|Saurolophid}}'s, or possibly a {{wp|Corytophanidae|Corytophanid}}'s, possibly the {{wp|plumed basilisk}}'s.

====Name origin====
Axew is likely a combination of the words ''axe'' and ''chew'' or ''hew''. Kibago may be derived from 牙 ''kiba'' meaning tusk, 顎 ''ago'' meaning jaw, and ''dragon''.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Dragon color dark}}; background: #{{Dragon color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Dragon color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Milza
| From ''{{tt|Milchzahn|milk tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Coupenotte
| From ''{{tt|couper|to cut}}'' and ''{{tt|quenotte|child's tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 터검니 ''Teogeomni''
| From {{tt|턱 ''teog''|jaw}} and {{tt|엄니 ''eomni''|tusk}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 牙牙 ''Yáyá''
| {{tt|牙 ''yá''|tooth or ivory}} doubled.
|}
|-
|}
{{left clear}}


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Milza]]
[[es:Axew]]
[[fr:Coupenotte]]
[[it:Axew]]
[[ja:キバゴ]]
[[pl:Axew]]
[[pt:Kibago (pokémon)]]

Axew (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Axew | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Axew |
jname=キバゴ |
tmname=Kibago |
size=160px|
art=BW |
species=Tusk |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rivalry |
ability2=Mold Breaker |
abilityd=Unnerve |
ndex=610 |
udex=116 |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=39.7 |
weight-kg=18.0 |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster|
egggroup2=Dragon|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=Green|
catchrate=75|
evat=1|
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Axew''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キバゴ''' ''Kibago'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Fraxure}} starting at [[level]] 38, which then evolves into {{p|Haxorus}} starting at level 48.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Axew is a bipedal, greenish-colored Pokémon with noticeable nostrils and pale tusks protruding from the sides of its mouth. The back of its head, tipped with dark grayish-green coloration, has a horn- or spike-like, pointed and tall protrusion. Axew also has dark grayish-green coloration rimming its eyes, which have red irises. A collar-like, forest-green patterning encircles its neck; most of its body is a dull grayish green. Axew's limbs and tail are small, with its forelimbs having three digits and its feet having two digits.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
An Axew's tusks can easily regenerate at a rapid rate when broken, and will regrow if they fall out. Repeated regrowth makes their tusks sharp and strong. As shown in [[BW027|The Dragon Master's Path]], Axew are very good at climbing walls.

===Behavior===
With the use of their tusks, Axew mark their territory by putting gashes on trees and plants. They rush Berries with their tusks before eating them.

===Habitat===
Axew live in areas with plants. They also prefer to live in caves.

===Diet===
Axew's main diet consists Berries, which it crushes with its tusks before eating.

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Axew.png|thumb|right|250px|Iris and her Axew]]
===Major appearances===
====Iris's Axew====
{{main|Iris's Axew}}
{{an|Iris}} owns an {{TP|Iris|Axew}}, which was introduced with her in ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''. She carries him with her, outside of a Poké Ball, in her hair. His major goal is to evolve into a mighty {{p|Haxorus}}.

====Other====

===Minor appearances===
Multiple Axew appeared in {{an|Iris}}'s flashback in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]''.


===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW002|Axew|Ash's Pokédex|Axew, the Tusk Pokémon. Axew marks its territory by making scratch marks on trees with its tusks, which regrow if they fall out.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Axew (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dragon
|gen=5
|blackdex=They use their tusks to crush the berries they eat. Repeated regrowth makes their tusks strong and sharp.
|whitedex=They mark their territory by leaving gashes in trees with their tusks. If a tusk breaks, a new one grows in quickly.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Uncommon|
bwarea=[[Mistralton Cave]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
HP=46|
Attack=87|
Defense=60|
SpAtk=30|
SpDef=40|
Speed=57}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Dual Chop|Dragon|Physical|40|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|24|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Guillotine|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|61|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|004|Charmander}}{{MSP|005|Charmeleon}}{{MSP|006|Charizard}}{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}} {{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}} {{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}} {{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Counter|Physical|Status|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|333|Swablu}}{{MSP|334|Altaria}}{{MSP|610|Axew}} {{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|116|Horsea}} {{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|371|Bagon}}{{MSP|372|Shelgon}}{{MSP|373|Salamence}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}} {{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|254|Sceptile}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|252|Treecko}}{{MSP|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP|254|Sceptile}} {{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|||*}}{{learnlist/breedf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====Special moves====
====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Iris's Axew|Iris's]] [[List_of_North_American_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2011#Iris's Axew|Axew]]|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|||1}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=610
|name1=Axew
|type1-1=Dragon
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=611
|name2=Fraxure
|type1-2=Dragon
|evotype2=Level
|level2=48
|sprite3=612
|name3=Haxorus
|type1-3=Dragon
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=dragon |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Axew |
ndex=610
}}

==Trivia==
* Axew was first seen on [[a:File:BW anime.png|concept art]] from the {{series|Best Wishes}} along with {{p|Servine}}, {{p|Dewott}}, and {{p|Woobat}}.
* Axew is the only Pokémon with the ability {{a|Unnerve}} that is able to evolve twice.
* Axew and its evolutionary relatives are currently the only pure {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon that don't gain a second type by [[evolution]].

===Origin===
Axew's tusks are similar in appearance to {{wp|Scutosaurus|Scutosaurid}}'s or possibly {{wp|Ceratopsia|Ceratopsid}}'s cheekbone tusks. Its crest may be based on a {{wp|Hadrosaurid|Hadrosaurid}}'s, more specifically {{wp|Saurolophus|Saurolophid}}'s, or possibly a {{wp|Corytophanidae|Corytophanid}}'s, possibly the {{wp|plumed basilisk}}'s.

====Name origin====
Axew is likely a combination of the words ''axe'' and ''chew'' or ''hew''. Kibago may be derived from 牙 ''kiba'' meaning tusk, 顎 ''ago'' meaning jaw, and ''dragon''.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Dragon color dark}}; background: #{{Dragon color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Dragon color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Milza
| From ''{{tt|Milchzahn|milk tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Coupenotte
| From ''{{tt|couper|to cut}}'' and ''{{tt|quenotte|child's tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 터검니 ''Teogeomni''
| From {{tt|턱 ''teog''|jaw}} and {{tt|엄니 ''eomni''|tusk}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 牙牙 ''Yáyá''
| {{tt|牙 ''yá''|tooth or ivory}} doubled.
|}
|-
|}
{{left clear}}


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Milza]]
[[es:Axew]]
[[fr:Coupenotte]]
[[it:Axew]]
[[ja:キバゴ]]
[[pl:Axew]]
[[pt:Kibago (pokémon)]]

Hydreigon (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T22:06:53Z

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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Zweilous | next=Larvesta | prevnum=634 | nextnum=636 | type=Dark | type2=Dragon }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Hydreigon |
jname=サザンドラ |
tmname=Sazandora |
size=180px |
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|sah-zan-drah}}}''</sc> |
species=Brutal| 
typen=2 |
type1=Dark |
type2=Dragon |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Levitate |
ndex=635 |
udex=141 |
height-ftin=5'11" |
height-m=1.8 |
weight-lbs=352.7 |
weight-kg=160 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Dragon|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=270 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=127|
color=Blue|
catchrate=45|
evsa=3|
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Hydreigon''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''サザンドラ''' ''Sazandora'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dark|Dragon}} [[pseudo-legendary]] Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Zweilous}} starting at [[level]] 64. It is the final form of {{p|Deino}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Hydreigon is a three-headed, dragon-like Pokémon. Hydreigon has six black wings on its back, similar to those of {{p|Giratina}}'s [[Form differences|Origin Forme's]] tentacles. On Hydreigon's neck is a fuschia-colored flower-like collar which opens to its head. The main head is a dark blue and its eyes are black with fuchsia pupils. Its hands, also black, harbor a head in each one; these heads are also blue with black eyes. There are small collars on the inside of Hydreigon's hands. On its abdomen are two overall-like fuschia stripes. Its feet appear atrophied, having no claws or defined soles and two or three small toes. Its tail also sports a fuschia stripe with a black tuft on the end of it.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===

===Behavior===
Hydreigon are violent, destructive Pokémon. They will attack anything that seems to be a foe to them, which is anything that moves. As a [[Dragon (type)|Dragon-type]] Pokémon, it is able to [[Draco Meteor (move)|call down meteors]] to attack their foes.

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Hydreigon's heads eat absolutely everything.

==In the anime==
[[File:Carlita Hydreigon.png|thumb|right|Hydreigon in the anime]]
[[File:Carlita Hydreigon BHZ.png|thumb|left|A {{Shiny|green}} Hydreigon in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
A Hydreigon under the ownership of [[Carlita]] appeared in both versions of [[M14]]. However, it is {{Shiny}} in ''Victini and the Black Hero: Zekrom''.

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Hydreigon (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dark
|type2=Dragon
|gen=5
|blackdex=This brutal Pokémon travels the skies on its six wings. Anything that moves seems like a foe to it, triggering its attack.
|whitedex=The heads on their arms do not have brains. They use all three heads to consume and destroy everything.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dark |
type2=Dragon |
gen=5 |
bwrarity=None|
bwarea=Evolve {{p|Zweilous}} |
}}

====In side games====
====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=dark|type2=dragon}}
{{eventAvail|List of Japanese Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011#Carlita Hydreigon|Carlita Hydreigon|Japan {{color2|{{black color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|(Black only)}}|2011|70}}
|}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dark |
type2=Dragon |
HP= 92 |
Attack=105 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk= 125 |
SpDef= 90 |
Speed= 98 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dark |
type2=Dragon |
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 0 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 50 |
notes=yes |
dark=yes |
newpsychic=1 |
levitate=yes |
newground=1 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tri Attack|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|12|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|38|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|48|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|55|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|68|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|79|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|333|Swablu}}{{MSP|334|Altaria}}|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|130|Gyarados}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Double Hit|Normal|Physical|35|90|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|444|Gabite}}{{MSP|445|Garchomp}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|004|Charmander}}{{MSP|005|Charmeleon}}{{MSP|006|Charizard}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|373|Salamence}}{{MSP|445|Garchomp}}|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}|Head Smash|Rock|Physical|150|80|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|130|Gyarados}}|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|252|Treecko}}{{MSP|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP|254|Sceptile}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|373|Salamence}}|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}{{learnlist/breedf|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|633|Deino|||||Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|634|Zweilous|||||Double Hit|Normal|Physical|35|90|10}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}

====Special moves====
====By {{pkmn|event}}====
{{learnlist/eventh|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Carlita]] [[List of Japanese Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011#Carlita Hydreigon|Hydreigon]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Carlita]] [[List of Japanese Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011#Carlita Hydreigon|Hydreigon]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Hydreigon|Dark|Dragon|5|5}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=633
|name1=Deino
|type1-1=Dark
|type2-1=Dragon
|evotype1=Level
|level1=50
|sprite2=634
|name2=Zweilous
|type1-2=Dark
|type2-2=Dragon
|evotype2=Level
|level2=64
|sprite3=635
|name3=Hydreigon
|type1-3=Dark
|type2-3=Dragon}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dark|
type2=dragon|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Hydreigon|
ndex=635|
}}

==Trivia==
* No other Pokémon has the same [[Elemental type|type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Hydreigon and its {{p|Deino|evolutionary}} {{p|Zweilous|relatives}}.
* Of all the Pokémon that evolve by level alone, Hydreigon evolves from its pre-evolution later than any other Pokémon, at level 64.
* Hydreigon has the highest {{stat|Special Attack}} of all non-legendary {{type2|Dark}} Pokémon.
** Hydreigon also has the highest {{stat|Special Attack}} of all [[pseudo-legendary]] Pokémon.
* Hydreigon is the only [[pseudo-legendary]] Pokémon to not have {{stat|Attack}} as its highest stat.
** Hydreigon is also the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon with more than one immunity (excluding {{p|Metagross}} using {{m|Magnet Rise}}).
* Hydreigon's evolutionary family, along with {{p|Salamence}}'s, are the only Pokémon exclusively in the {{egg3|Dragon}}.
* Hydreigon is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to have never been used by a {{pkmn|Champion}}.
** It is, however, used by [[Ghetsis]], the Trainer who is battled at the end of the Pokémon League during the first [[Hall of Fame]] entry.
* Hydreigon can learn moves belonging to 16 of the 17 elemental types; it cannot learn any {{type2|Grass}} moves.

===Origin===
Hydreigon is based on {{wp|Yamata no Orochi}}. It may also incorporate elements of {{wp|Lernaean Hydra|hydra}}s and {{wp|Slavic dragon}}s.

Originally, according to interviews with [[Ken Sugimori]] in ''Nintendo Dream'', Hydreigon and its pre-evolutions were intended to be cybernetic dragons incorporating aspects of tanks within their bodies before being redesigned around the theme of {{wp|Yamata no Orochi}}. The tank track-like markings on Hydreigon's body are a remnant of this design.

====Name origin====
Hydreigon seems to be a combination of ''{{wp|Lernaean Hydra|hydra}}'', ''drei'', meaning three in German, and ''dragon''. Both the ''sa'' and ''zan'' in Sazandora seem to come from 三 ''sa''/''san'', or three, a reference to its three heads. The ''dora'' in its name comes from either ''dragon'' or ''hydra'', a possible reference to the multi-headed {{wp|Lernaean Hydra|hydra}} of Greek lore.

==In other languages==
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|- align=center
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Trikephalo
| From ''tri'' and ''{{tt|kephalos|Greek for head}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Trioxhydre
| From ''trio'' and {{wp|Lernaean Hydra|{{tt|''Hydre''|Hydra}}}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 삼삼드래 ''Samsamdeurae''
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]]
| 三頭龍 ''Sāntóulóng''
| Literally "Three-headed dragon".
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Zweilous | next=Larvesta | prevnum=634 | nextnum=636 | type=Dark | type2=Dragon }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

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[[pl:Hydreigon]]

Talk:Volcarona (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T02:52:07Z

Luxraychu: /* Future genderless evo? */

==Ulgamoth based on Mothra==
I know that if someone adds to the origin that Ulgamoth may have been inspired by {{wp|Mothra}}, it will get taken done because it is apparently just an opinion. However, the two share similarities in appearence, color scheme and the ability to use its shedding scales as weapons. I don't think this is just an "opinion", and may be a legitimate origin.

Your thoughts? - [[User:050294|050294]] 09:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. I've seen that origin removed several times, and while I'm no expert on Mothra, the similarities listed seem to be quite convincing. Not to mention our current origins listed are quite unconvincing; it hardly resembles the Atlas moth, and the phrase "like a moth to a flame" doesn't seem relevant enough to be the primary origin. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::It is almost certainly not "like a moth to a flame". That is an English expression, so unless a Japanese equivelent exists then Mothra is almost certainly unrelated. However, Mothra is well know popular culture in Japan, so it is a likely origin. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
To say this Pokémon is based on something in popular culture is an opinion. Regardless of how much it sounds like it's based on it, you can't say it's based on Mothra because it's an opinion. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:Just like how you imagine a hydra with wings despite only Ghidorah havings wings out of the two. Pop culture references happen all the time, what makes you so sure Pokémon does not have any WHEN YOU ARE NOT GAME FREAK?! [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 19:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::You aren't GameFreak either. Unless you can prove it, with physical evidence that says the Pokémon is based on this monster, it cannot be said, period. Learn the difference between fact and an opinion. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Unless you can prove, with physical evidence, that says the Pokémon is not based on this monster, it cannot removed either, as it is also opinion. It is a quite plausible origin and many Pokémon origins on Bulbapedia are not fact, as the majority of them have not been officially stated by Gamefreak. Almost all of them are opinionated but still plausible. Not to be rude, but you're acting a bit hypocritical. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::doesnt work that way around here. '''you''' show us hardcore proof that it '''IS''' based on it, and then we add it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just a question, but why allow other opinionated origins but not this? Almost every origin on Bulbapedia is opinionated so I didn't think it was that bad to add Mothra to the origins, honestly, because they are so alike it's not even funny. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Also, just adding this: I could list the extreme similarities and references, in both appearance and pokedex data, to Mothra for evidence if you'd like. I could also do the same thing with Sazandora. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:first, any origin we add is backed up with evidence in some way. find one that isnt backed-up.
:second, sure, list them. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::Alrighty then... The first thing to note is color scheme and physical appearence.

::http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/MOSURA.jpg [[image:637.png]] 
::Now, as seen in the above images, their physical appearances are very similar. They both share the white fur/fuzz on their bodies. (And yes, I've checked, no moth or butterfly that I've seen has white face fuzz like that, or silk, or whatever it is) They both have reddish/orange, "firery", colored wings. They both are based off of moths and possibly butterflies. Also, they both have the same bright blue eyes, one of Mothra's noted qualities, as they are so bright.

::Now for characteristics. For starters, Mothra draws many parallels to the Phoenix, the legendary firebird, and also can use its scales as weapons. As stated in Ulgamoth's pokedex entry: "If it becomes involved in a fight, it scatters flaming scales from its 6 wings all over the surrounding surfaces to make a sea of fire", Ulgamoth also shares the ability to use its shedding scales as weapons. While Ulgamoth may not have been directly influenced by the phoenix, it's second pokedex entry: "It is said that when the ground becomes pitch black with volcanic ash, Ulgamoth's fire takes the place of the sun." is a possible reference to them, as Phoenixes also have this trait, making it more similar to Mothra as Mothra makes subtle references to the mythological bird.

::Is this enough info? If not I will gladly add more, as there are tons more similarities between the two. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::i would like to see more. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I gotta side with him, the Mothra similarities are very strong here [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Her ;P - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Alright!

The two's cries are also similar, as seen in these videos, though Mothra's cry is closer to the middle of its video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhoWfC1L9k <- Mothra - Ulgamoth-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoplQuWLG5g).

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/urugamosu-ow.png 
They both are also revered in a way. In the part of the ancient castle where you encounter Ulgamoth, as seen in the image above, a painting, or picture, of its image sits behind it and it appears to have been revered, important, or even worshipped by whoever made the castle. As for Mothra, she is a revered monster who protects all that is good and is one of the few purely heroic kaiju monsters. The people who are protected by it and its reincarnated babies (Like I said earlier, it is very similar to phoenixes) worship her and consider her a god, or perhaps a savior.

Do you need more? - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think that while there's very good circumstantial evidence, references to pop-culture characters need to be explicit. References to animals (even, broadly, mythical ones like centaurs or hydras) do not--that's pretty well-understood. So I think Sketch is right in asserting that without actual textual evidence from the game (a joke or a comment) or a comment from a game designer in an interview, we're speculating to say it's based on Mothra. Or, for that matter, any other pop-culture character; if Looker got himself out of trouble with trinkets, we couldn't definitively call him MacGyver. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 19:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::So then the origin of both Onokus and Tyranitar are wrong, as they're both apparently based on Destoroyah and Godzilla, respectively. Same thing with Rotom being based on Pulseman, as that is not stated by Nintendo and is only assumed. - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::All those references need to go... except Pulseman... because GameFreak made Pulseman. Hell, the Pulseman reference is obvious. Volt Tackle was Pulseman's signature move. See [[List of references to Pulseman]]. Pulseman is the one thing that is connected to Pokemon. Godzilla isn't. Sorry. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::So what if it was made by Gamefreak? It was NEVER officially stated by Gamefreak to be based on it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::This is very different. Pulseman's signature move is Volt Tackle, and then there's a Pokemon attack of the same name? That's not a coincidence. There are references to Pulseman in Pokemon. Sorry, now, this decision is final. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::The Mothra references are also pretty obvious. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 23:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's an opinion. No. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Watch out, guize, Sketch's opinions are facts! [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 23:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Let's try to remain civil, no? Especially when talking to admins. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 23:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Real mature guys. Let's remove that piece of trivia even though Evkl explained that those 2 are exceptions to this rule BECAUSE they are in someway related to GameFreak. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 23:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So Pulseman is okay because it's OBVIOUS, but other pop culture references are not okay because GameFreak hasn't explicitly stated them? Even though Gen 5 is FILLED with pop culture references? [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 23:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty much. I wasn't aware it was a sin for GameFreak to reference their own games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I wasn't aware it was a sin for GameFreak to reference Japanese culture. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 00:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Can we just end this already? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I'd love to. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 00:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Can't it be added to Trivia that Volcarona has traits in common with Mothra, and that some believe it as a possible origin? This way, it isn't under origin until confirmed and yet also tells people that there may be another influence? Or would this cause confusion and make people try to edit the page to put it under Origin, thinking that it got under Trivia by accident? --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 22:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== level100 ==

Except for smergle Is ulgamoth only non-legendary pokemon that learn move on level 100?[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 10:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Its {{p|Meraruba|pre-evolution}} also learn {{m|Flare Blitz}} on lvl 100 (which seems more interesting). Aside from that I couldn't find any other pokemon with this trait. But I don't think it's notable. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
::Shaymin and Seed Flare is one of a few I can't think of right now. But learning a move at level 100 isn't that unique. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:::{{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Arceus}} are also examples, but he was talking about non-legendary. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 09:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Then it is ulgamoth and its evolution line are only non-legenddary pokemon how learn move at level 100?[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth = Volcarona, official. ==

The review in the latest Official Nintendo Magazine, those who previously revealed the names of Tympole, Timburr, Chili, Cress, Striaton City and Nacrene City specifically mentions Volcarona by name. Can somebody change the page title? {{unsigned|Exterminieren}}

I don't think that the admins will move this without proof. Could you possibly take a picture of the review? (I really need to start reading it again...) [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 17:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Of course. http://img257.imageshack.us/i/volcarona.jpg/ [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 18:22 (UTC)

== Magnet rise? ==

In the trivia section, it says that Volcanrona can learn magnet rise. It can't. Shouldn't someone fix that? Also, Volcanrona is the only pokemon that can learn fire dance by leveling up. Shouldn't that be included in the trivia?[[User:Fishmonk|Fishmonk]] 14:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:It can. Via breeding with {{p|Forretress}}. {{m|Fire Dance}} is basically its [[signature move]], it's noted on move's page and in the list of signature moves.--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 15:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Isn't Volcarona the highest levelled non legendary Pokemon in the wild, sans Magikarp? ==

Shouldn't that be added in Trivia? I'm asking first, as the Mothra talk above is making me a bit worried about adding Trivia without asking first --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 22:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:Since it's sans-Magikarp, I don't think so. Magikarp is the highest leveled wild non-legendary Pokémon. We don't list second bests. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
::It's tied with {{p|Regigigas}}. Though they are different from Magikarp, as they are fixed encounters, so they are the highest leveled fixed encounters, which could be notable enough to add, but I dunno. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:::However, Regigigas is legendary. Magikarp is tied with Regigigas for lowest leveled wild Pokémon. But lowest fixed encounter may indeed be notable. On the other hand, it is bordering on too many conditions ("non-legendary", "wild", and "fixed level"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Location, location ==

On the game location section, it lists Volcarona's rarity as "Two". Shouldn't that be "One" or "One, Evolve" since the rarity is seperate for each version? (like for Throh it'd say "Rare (Black), Uncommon (White)?" [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 06:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Future genderless evo? ==

Like nincada, it can't Lear attract, so does this relize a poteintial genderles evolution of larvesta, like maybe a husk like shedninja? [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Future genderless evo? ==

Like nincada, it can't Learn attract, so does this relize a poteintial genderles evolution of larvesta, like maybe a husk like shedninja? [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Volcarona (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T02:51:29Z

Luxraychu: /* Future genderless evo? */ new section

==Ulgamoth based on Mothra==
I know that if someone adds to the origin that Ulgamoth may have been inspired by {{wp|Mothra}}, it will get taken done because it is apparently just an opinion. However, the two share similarities in appearence, color scheme and the ability to use its shedding scales as weapons. I don't think this is just an "opinion", and may be a legitimate origin.

Your thoughts? - [[User:050294|050294]] 09:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. I've seen that origin removed several times, and while I'm no expert on Mothra, the similarities listed seem to be quite convincing. Not to mention our current origins listed are quite unconvincing; it hardly resembles the Atlas moth, and the phrase "like a moth to a flame" doesn't seem relevant enough to be the primary origin. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::It is almost certainly not "like a moth to a flame". That is an English expression, so unless a Japanese equivelent exists then Mothra is almost certainly unrelated. However, Mothra is well know popular culture in Japan, so it is a likely origin. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
To say this Pokémon is based on something in popular culture is an opinion. Regardless of how much it sounds like it's based on it, you can't say it's based on Mothra because it's an opinion. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:Just like how you imagine a hydra with wings despite only Ghidorah havings wings out of the two. Pop culture references happen all the time, what makes you so sure Pokémon does not have any WHEN YOU ARE NOT GAME FREAK?! [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 19:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::You aren't GameFreak either. Unless you can prove it, with physical evidence that says the Pokémon is based on this monster, it cannot be said, period. Learn the difference between fact and an opinion. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Unless you can prove, with physical evidence, that says the Pokémon is not based on this monster, it cannot removed either, as it is also opinion. It is a quite plausible origin and many Pokémon origins on Bulbapedia are not fact, as the majority of them have not been officially stated by Gamefreak. Almost all of them are opinionated but still plausible. Not to be rude, but you're acting a bit hypocritical. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::doesnt work that way around here. '''you''' show us hardcore proof that it '''IS''' based on it, and then we add it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just a question, but why allow other opinionated origins but not this? Almost every origin on Bulbapedia is opinionated so I didn't think it was that bad to add Mothra to the origins, honestly, because they are so alike it's not even funny. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Also, just adding this: I could list the extreme similarities and references, in both appearance and pokedex data, to Mothra for evidence if you'd like. I could also do the same thing with Sazandora. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:first, any origin we add is backed up with evidence in some way. find one that isnt backed-up.
:second, sure, list them. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::Alrighty then... The first thing to note is color scheme and physical appearence.

::http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/MOSURA.jpg [[image:637.png]] 
::Now, as seen in the above images, their physical appearances are very similar. They both share the white fur/fuzz on their bodies. (And yes, I've checked, no moth or butterfly that I've seen has white face fuzz like that, or silk, or whatever it is) They both have reddish/orange, "firery", colored wings. They both are based off of moths and possibly butterflies. Also, they both have the same bright blue eyes, one of Mothra's noted qualities, as they are so bright.

::Now for characteristics. For starters, Mothra draws many parallels to the Phoenix, the legendary firebird, and also can use its scales as weapons. As stated in Ulgamoth's pokedex entry: "If it becomes involved in a fight, it scatters flaming scales from its 6 wings all over the surrounding surfaces to make a sea of fire", Ulgamoth also shares the ability to use its shedding scales as weapons. While Ulgamoth may not have been directly influenced by the phoenix, it's second pokedex entry: "It is said that when the ground becomes pitch black with volcanic ash, Ulgamoth's fire takes the place of the sun." is a possible reference to them, as Phoenixes also have this trait, making it more similar to Mothra as Mothra makes subtle references to the mythological bird.

::Is this enough info? If not I will gladly add more, as there are tons more similarities between the two. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::i would like to see more. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I gotta side with him, the Mothra similarities are very strong here [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Her ;P - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Alright!

The two's cries are also similar, as seen in these videos, though Mothra's cry is closer to the middle of its video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhoWfC1L9k <- Mothra - Ulgamoth-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoplQuWLG5g).

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/urugamosu-ow.png 
They both are also revered in a way. In the part of the ancient castle where you encounter Ulgamoth, as seen in the image above, a painting, or picture, of its image sits behind it and it appears to have been revered, important, or even worshipped by whoever made the castle. As for Mothra, she is a revered monster who protects all that is good and is one of the few purely heroic kaiju monsters. The people who are protected by it and its reincarnated babies (Like I said earlier, it is very similar to phoenixes) worship her and consider her a god, or perhaps a savior.

Do you need more? - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think that while there's very good circumstantial evidence, references to pop-culture characters need to be explicit. References to animals (even, broadly, mythical ones like centaurs or hydras) do not--that's pretty well-understood. So I think Sketch is right in asserting that without actual textual evidence from the game (a joke or a comment) or a comment from a game designer in an interview, we're speculating to say it's based on Mothra. Or, for that matter, any other pop-culture character; if Looker got himself out of trouble with trinkets, we couldn't definitively call him MacGyver. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 19:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::So then the origin of both Onokus and Tyranitar are wrong, as they're both apparently based on Destoroyah and Godzilla, respectively. Same thing with Rotom being based on Pulseman, as that is not stated by Nintendo and is only assumed. - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::All those references need to go... except Pulseman... because GameFreak made Pulseman. Hell, the Pulseman reference is obvious. Volt Tackle was Pulseman's signature move. See [[List of references to Pulseman]]. Pulseman is the one thing that is connected to Pokemon. Godzilla isn't. Sorry. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::So what if it was made by Gamefreak? It was NEVER officially stated by Gamefreak to be based on it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::This is very different. Pulseman's signature move is Volt Tackle, and then there's a Pokemon attack of the same name? That's not a coincidence. There are references to Pulseman in Pokemon. Sorry, now, this decision is final. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::The Mothra references are also pretty obvious. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 23:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's an opinion. No. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Watch out, guize, Sketch's opinions are facts! [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 23:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Let's try to remain civil, no? Especially when talking to admins. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 23:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Real mature guys. Let's remove that piece of trivia even though Evkl explained that those 2 are exceptions to this rule BECAUSE they are in someway related to GameFreak. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 23:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So Pulseman is okay because it's OBVIOUS, but other pop culture references are not okay because GameFreak hasn't explicitly stated them? Even though Gen 5 is FILLED with pop culture references? [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 23:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty much. I wasn't aware it was a sin for GameFreak to reference their own games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I wasn't aware it was a sin for GameFreak to reference Japanese culture. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 00:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Can we just end this already? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I'd love to. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 00:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Can't it be added to Trivia that Volcarona has traits in common with Mothra, and that some believe it as a possible origin? This way, it isn't under origin until confirmed and yet also tells people that there may be another influence? Or would this cause confusion and make people try to edit the page to put it under Origin, thinking that it got under Trivia by accident? --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 22:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== level100 ==

Except for smergle Is ulgamoth only non-legendary pokemon that learn move on level 100?[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 10:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Its {{p|Meraruba|pre-evolution}} also learn {{m|Flare Blitz}} on lvl 100 (which seems more interesting). Aside from that I couldn't find any other pokemon with this trait. But I don't think it's notable. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
::Shaymin and Seed Flare is one of a few I can't think of right now. But learning a move at level 100 isn't that unique. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:::{{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Arceus}} are also examples, but he was talking about non-legendary. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 09:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Then it is ulgamoth and its evolution line are only non-legenddary pokemon how learn move at level 100?[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth = Volcarona, official. ==

The review in the latest Official Nintendo Magazine, those who previously revealed the names of Tympole, Timburr, Chili, Cress, Striaton City and Nacrene City specifically mentions Volcarona by name. Can somebody change the page title? {{unsigned|Exterminieren}}

I don't think that the admins will move this without proof. Could you possibly take a picture of the review? (I really need to start reading it again...) [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 17:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Of course. http://img257.imageshack.us/i/volcarona.jpg/ [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 18:22 (UTC)

== Magnet rise? ==

In the trivia section, it says that Volcanrona can learn magnet rise. It can't. Shouldn't someone fix that? Also, Volcanrona is the only pokemon that can learn fire dance by leveling up. Shouldn't that be included in the trivia?[[User:Fishmonk|Fishmonk]] 14:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:It can. Via breeding with {{p|Forretress}}. {{m|Fire Dance}} is basically its [[signature move]], it's noted on move's page and in the list of signature moves.--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 15:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Isn't Volcarona the highest levelled non legendary Pokemon in the wild, sans Magikarp? ==

Shouldn't that be added in Trivia? I'm asking first, as the Mothra talk above is making me a bit worried about adding Trivia without asking first --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 22:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:Since it's sans-Magikarp, I don't think so. Magikarp is the highest leveled wild non-legendary Pokémon. We don't list second bests. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
::It's tied with {{p|Regigigas}}. Though they are different from Magikarp, as they are fixed encounters, so they are the highest leveled fixed encounters, which could be notable enough to add, but I dunno. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:::However, Regigigas is legendary. Magikarp is tied with Regigigas for lowest leveled wild Pokémon. But lowest fixed encounter may indeed be notable. On the other hand, it is bordering on too many conditions ("non-legendary", "wild", and "fixed level"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Location, location ==

On the game location section, it lists Volcarona's rarity as "Two". Shouldn't that be "One" or "One, Evolve" since the rarity is seperate for each version? (like for Throh it'd say "Rare (Black), Uncommon (White)?" [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 06:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Future genderless evo? ==

Like nincada, it can't Lear attract, so does this relize a poteintial genderles evolution of larvesta, like maybe a husk like shedninja? [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Future genderless evo? ==

Like nincada, it can't Lear attract, so does this relize a poteintial genderles evolution of larvesta, like maybe a husk like shedninja? [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Volcarona (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T02:51:11Z

Luxraychu: /* Future genderless evo? */ new section

Larvesta (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T02:44:04Z

Luxraychu: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hydreigon | next=Volcarona | prevnum=635 | nextnum=637 | type=Bug | type2=Fire }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Larvesta |
jname=メラルバ |
tmname=Merlarva |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|meh-rah-roo-bah}}}''</sc> |
species=Torch |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Fire |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Flame Body |
abilityd=Swarm|
ndex=636 |
udex=142 |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=63.5 |
weight-kg=28.8 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=72 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=White |
evat=1|
catchrate=45 |
body=14 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Larvesta''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''メラルバ''' ''Merlarva'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Fire}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It evolves into {{p|Volcarona}} starting at level 59.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Larvesta is a fuzzy, moth larvae-like Pokémon. It has blue eyes in a shadowed face, and five orange, slightly whorled horns at the sides of its head. Its white mane of fuzz encompasses its head and the upper half of its body; its lower body is brown. It has three pairs of small black legs (unlike its evolved form, which has only two pairs). From a birds' eye view, Larvesta resembles a torch.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Larvesta can spit fire from its five horns as a defensive tactic.

===Behavior===
Larvesta keep predators away by shooting fire from its horns.

===Habitat===
Larvesta live at the feet of volcanoes.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==

Larvesta is set to debut in [[BW041]] under the ownership of [[Luke]].

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Larvesta (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Bug
|type2=Fire
|gen=5
|blackdex=This Pokémon was believed to have been born from the sun. When it evolves, its entire body is engulfed in flames.
|whitedex=The base of volcanoes is where they make their homes. They shoot fire from their five horns to repel attacking enemies.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Bug|
type2=Fire|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=One|
bwarea=Hatch {{pkmn|egg}} received from a {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} inside a building on {{rt|18|Unova}}.
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Bug|
type2=Fire|
HP=55|
Attack=85|
Defense=55|
SpAtk=50|
SpDef=55|
Speed=60}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Bug|
type2=Fire|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 400 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Leech Life|Bug|Physical|20|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|30|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|40|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Flame Wheel|Fire|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|70|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|80|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|90|Thrash|Normal|Physical|90|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|100|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM76|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|30|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|214|Heracross}}{{MSP|540|Sewaddle}}{{MSP|541|Swadloon}}{{MSP|542|Leavanny}}{{MSP|588|Karrablast}}{{MSP|589|Escavalier}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|011|Metapod}}{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}{{MSP|127|Pinsir}}{{MSP|207|Gligar}} {{MSP|472|Gliscor}}{{MSP|266|Silcoon}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|268|Cascoon}}{{MSP|269|Dustox}}{{MSP|290|Nincada}} {{MSP|291|Ninjask}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|205|Forretress}}|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|010|Caterpie}}{{MSP|011|Metapod}}{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|013|Weedle}}{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}{{MSP|015|Beedrill}} {{MSP|167|Spinarak}}{{MSP|168|Ariados}}{{MSP|265|Wurmple}}{{MSP|266|Silcoon}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|268|Cascoon}} {{MSP|269|Dustox}}{{MSP|540|Sewaddle}}{{MSP|541|Swadloon}}{{MSP|542|Leavanny}}{{MSP|595|Joltik}}{{MSP|596|Galvantula}} {{MSP|636|Larvesta}}{{MSP|637|Volcarona}}|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|313|Volbeat}}|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|}}{{learnlist/breedf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Larvesta|bug|fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Larvesta|bug|fire|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=636
|name1=Larvesta
|type1-1=Bug
|type2-1=Fire
|evotype1=Level
|level1=59
|sprite2=637
|name2=Volcarona
|type1-2=Bug
|type2-2=Fire
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=bug |
type2=fire |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Larvesta |
ndex=636
}}

==Trivia==
* Out of all Pokémon that evolve by a set level, Larvesta evolves later than any other Pokémon who have not yet evolved, at level 59.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Larvesta and its {{p|Volcarona|evolution}}.
* Larvesta is the last Pokémon in the [[National Pokédex]] that evolves into another Pokémon.
* Larvesta learns a new move every ten levels. It would share this trait with its evolved form, but Volcarona also learns {{m|Quiver Dance}} at level 59.
* For reasons unknown, Larvesta and Volcarona cannot learn {{m|Attract}}, despite having genders and being compatible with other TMs. They share this trait with {{p|Nincada}}, although Nincada's inability to learn the move is likely due to a desire to keep the genderless {{p|Shedinja}} from learning it.
* Larvesta, along with its evolution, are the only known Pokémon with a double weakness to the {{type|Rock}} that are not {{type|Flying}}s.

===Origin===
Larvesta is based on a {{wp|moth}} and the famed Japanese monument, the {{wp|Tower of the Sun}}. Larvesta appears to be based on an {{wp|Attacus atlas|Atlas moth}} larva. The way its red growths are shaped and positioned on its circular body may be a reference to the sun. It may also be based on a {{wp|torch}}.

====Name origin====
Larvesta's name is derived from "larva", a term for an infant insect, and {{wp|Vesta (mythology)|Vesta}}, Roman goddess of the hearth and home, symbolised and represented by an eternally-burning fire located in her {{wp|Temple of Vesta|temple}}.

Merlarva may derive from ''"meramera"'' (flare), and ''"larva"''.

==In other languages==
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|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Bug color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Ignivor
| From ''{{tt|ignis|Latin for 'fire'}}'' and ''{{tt|vor|before, pre-}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Pyronille
| From ''{{tt|pyromanie|pyromania}}'' and ''{{tt|chenille|caterpillar}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 활화르바 ''Hwalhwareuba''
|
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Hydreigon | next=Volcarona | prevnum=635 | nextnum=637 | type=Bug | type2=Fire }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Ignivor]]
[[es:Larvesta]]
[[fr:Pyronille]]
[[it:Larvesta]]
[[ja:メラルバ]]
[[pl:Larvesta]]

Larvesta (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T02:40:30Z

Luxraychu: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hydreigon | next=Volcarona | prevnum=635 | nextnum=637 | type=Bug | type2=Fire }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Larvesta |
jname=メラルバ |
tmname=Merlarva |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|meh-rah-roo-bah}}}''</sc> |
species=Torch |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Fire |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Flame Body |
abilityd=Swarm|
ndex=636 |
udex=142 |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=63.5 |
weight-kg=28.8 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=72 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=White |
evat=1|
catchrate=45 |
body=14 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Larvesta''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''メラルバ''' ''Merlarva'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Fire}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It evolves into {{p|Volcarona}} starting at level 59.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Larvesta is a fuzzy, moth larvae-like Pokémon. It has blue eyes in a shadowed face, and five orange, slightly whorled horns at the sides of its head. Its white mane of fuzz encompasses its head and the upper half of its body; its lower body is brown. It has three pairs of small black legs (unlike its evolved form, which has only two pairs). From a birds' eye view, Larvesta resembles a torch.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Larvesta can spit fire from its five horns as a defensive tactic.

===Behavior===
Larvesta keep predators away by shooting fire from its horns.

===Habitat===
Larvesta live at the feet of volcanoes.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==

Larvesta is set to debut in [[BW041]] under the ownership of [[Luke]].

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Larvesta (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Bug
|type2=Fire
|gen=5
|blackdex=This Pokémon was believed to have been born from the sun. When it evolves, its entire body is engulfed in flames.
|whitedex=The base of volcanoes is where they make their homes. They shoot fire from their five horns to repel attacking enemies.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Bug|
type2=Fire|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=One|
bwarea=Hatch {{pkmn|egg}} received from a {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} inside a building on {{rt|18|Unova}}.
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Bug|
type2=Fire|
HP=55|
Attack=85|
Defense=55|
SpAtk=50|
SpDef=55|
Speed=60}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Bug|
type2=Fire|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 400 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Leech Life|Bug|Physical|20|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|30|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|40|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Flame Wheel|Fire|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|70|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|80|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|90|Thrash|Normal|Physical|90|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|100|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM76|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|30|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|214|Heracross}}{{MSP|540|Sewaddle}}{{MSP|541|Swadloon}}{{MSP|542|Leavanny}}{{MSP|588|Karrablast}}{{MSP|589|Escavalier}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|011|Metapod}}{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}{{MSP|127|Pinsir}}{{MSP|207|Gligar}} {{MSP|472|Gliscor}}{{MSP|266|Silcoon}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|268|Cascoon}}{{MSP|269|Dustox}}{{MSP|290|Nincada}} {{MSP|291|Ninjask}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|205|Forretress}}|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|010|Caterpie}}{{MSP|011|Metapod}}{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|013|Weedle}}{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}{{MSP|015|Beedrill}} {{MSP|167|Spinarak}}{{MSP|168|Ariados}}{{MSP|265|Wurmple}}{{MSP|266|Silcoon}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|268|Cascoon}} {{MSP|269|Dustox}}{{MSP|540|Sewaddle}}{{MSP|541|Swadloon}}{{MSP|542|Leavanny}}{{MSP|595|Joltik}}{{MSP|596|Galvantula}} {{MSP|636|Larvesta}}{{MSP|637|Volcarona}}|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|313|Volbeat}}|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|}}{{learnlist/breedf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Larvesta|bug|fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Larvesta|bug|fire|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=636
|name1=Larvesta
|type1-1=Bug
|type2-1=Fire
|evotype1=Level
|level1=59
|sprite2=637
|name2=Volcarona
|type1-2=Bug
|type2-2=Fire
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=bug |
type2=fire |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Larvesta |
ndex=636
}}

==Trivia==
* Out of all Pokémon that evolve by a set level, Larvesta evolves later than any other Pokémon who have not yet evolved, at level 59.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Larvesta and its {{p|Volcarona|evolution}}.
* Larvesta is the last Pokémon in the [[National Pokédex]] that evolves into another Pokémon.
* Larvesta learns a new move every ten levels. It would share this trait with its evolved form, but Volcarona also learns {{m|Quiver Dance}} at level 59.
* For reasons unknown, Larvesta and Volcarona cannot learn {{m|Attract}}, despite having genders and being compatible with other TMs. They share this trait with {{p|Nincada}}, although Nincada's inability to learn the move is likely due to a desire to keep the genderless {{p|Shedinja}} from learning it.
* Larvesta, along with its evolution, are the only known Pokémon with a double weakness to the {{type|Rock}} that are not {{type|Flying}}s.

===Origin===
Larvesta is based on a {{wp|moth}} and the famed Japanese monument, the {{wp|Tower of the Sun}}. Larvesta appears to be based on an {{wp|Attacus atlas|Atlas moth}} larva. The way its red growths are shaped and positioned on its circular body may be a reference to the sun. It may also be based on a torch.

====Name origin====
Larvesta's name is derived from "larva", a term for an infant insect, and {{wp|Vesta (mythology)|Vesta}}, Roman goddess of the hearth and home, symbolised and represented by an eternally-burning fire located in her {{wp|Temple of Vesta|temple}}.

Merlarva may derive from ''"meramera"'' (flare), and ''"larva"''.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{bug color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Bug color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Ignivor
| From ''{{tt|ignis|Latin for 'fire'}}'' and ''{{tt|vor|before, pre-}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Pyronille
| From ''{{tt|pyromanie|pyromania}}'' and ''{{tt|chenille|caterpillar}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 활화르바 ''Hwalhwareuba''
|
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Hydreigon | next=Volcarona | prevnum=635 | nextnum=637 | type=Bug | type2=Fire }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Ignivor]]
[[es:Larvesta]]
[[fr:Pyronille]]
[[it:Larvesta]]
[[ja:メラルバ]]
[[pl:Larvesta]]

Larvesta (Pokémon)

2011-07-27T02:37:33Z

Luxraychu: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hydreigon | next=Volcarona | prevnum=635 | nextnum=637 | type=Bug | type2=Fire }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Larvesta |
jname=メラルバ |
tmname=Merlarva |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|meh-rah-roo-bah}}}''</sc> |
species=Torch |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Fire |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Flame Body |
abilityd=Swarm|
ndex=636 |
udex=142 |
height-ftin=3'07" |
height-m=1.1 |
weight-lbs=63.5 |
weight-kg=28.8 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=72 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=White |
evat=1|
catchrate=45 |
body=14 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Larvesta''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''メラルバ''' ''Merlarva'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Fire}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It evolves into {{p|Volcarona}} starting at level 59.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Larvesta is a fuzzy, moth larvae-like Pokémon. It has blue eyes in a shadowed face, and five orange, slightly whorled horns at the sides of its head. Its white mane of fuzz encompasses its head and the upper half of its body; its lower body is brown. It has three pairs of small black legs (unlike its evolved form, which has only two pairs). From a birds' eye view, Larvesta resembles a torch.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Larvesta can spit fire from its five horns as a defensive tactic.

===Behavior===
Larvesta keep predators away by shooting fire from its horns.

===Habitat===
Larvesta live at the feet of volcanoes.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==

Larvesta is set to debut in [[BW041]] under the ownership of [[Luke]].

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Larvesta (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Bug
|type2=Fire
|gen=5
|blackdex=This Pokémon was believed to have been born from the sun. When it evolves, its entire body is engulfed in flames.
|whitedex=The base of volcanoes is where they make their homes. They shoot fire from their five horns to repel attacking enemies.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Bug|
type2=Fire|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=One|
bwarea=Hatch {{pkmn|egg}} received from a {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} inside a building on {{rt|18|Unova}}.
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Bug|
type2=Fire|
HP=55|
Attack=85|
Defense=55|
SpAtk=50|
SpDef=55|
Speed=60}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Bug|
type2=Fire|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 400 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Leech Life|Bug|Physical|20|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|30|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|40|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Flame Wheel|Fire|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|70|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|80|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|90|Thrash|Normal|Physical|90|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|100|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM76|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|30|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|214|Heracross}}{{MSP|540|Sewaddle}}{{MSP|541|Swadloon}}{{MSP|542|Leavanny}}{{MSP|588|Karrablast}}{{MSP|589|Escavalier}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|011|Metapod}}{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}{{MSP|127|Pinsir}}{{MSP|207|Gligar}} {{MSP|472|Gliscor}}{{MSP|266|Silcoon}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|268|Cascoon}}{{MSP|269|Dustox}}{{MSP|290|Nincada}} {{MSP|291|Ninjask}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|205|Forretress}}|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|010|Caterpie}}{{MSP|011|Metapod}}{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|013|Weedle}}{{MSP|014|Kakuna}}{{MSP|015|Beedrill}} {{MSP|167|Spinarak}}{{MSP|168|Ariados}}{{MSP|265|Wurmple}}{{MSP|266|Silcoon}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|268|Cascoon}} {{MSP|269|Dustox}}{{MSP|540|Sewaddle}}{{MSP|541|Swadloon}}{{MSP|542|Leavanny}}{{MSP|595|Joltik}}{{MSP|596|Galvantula}} {{MSP|636|Larvesta}}{{MSP|637|Volcarona}}|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|048|Venonat}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|313|Volbeat}}|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|}}{{learnlist/breedf|Larvesta|Bug|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Larvesta|bug|fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Larvesta|bug|fire|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=636
|name1=Larvesta
|type1-1=Bug
|type2-1=Fire
|evotype1=Level
|level1=59
|sprite2=637
|name2=Volcarona
|type1-2=Bug
|type2-2=Fire
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=bug |
type2=fire |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Larvesta |
ndex=636
}}

==Trivia==
* Out of all Pokémon that evolve by a set level, Larvesta evolves later than any other Pokémon who have not yet evolved, at level 59.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Larvesta and its {{p|Volcarona|evolution}}.
* Larvesta is the last Pokémon in the [[National Pokédex]] that evolves into another Pokémon.
* Larvesta learns a new move every ten levels. It would share this trait with its evolved form, but Volcarona also learns {{m|Quiver Dance}} at level 59.
* For reasons unknown, Larvesta and Volcarona cannot learn {{m|Attract}}, despite having genders and being compatible with other TMs. They share this trait with {{p|Nincada}}, although Nincada's inability to learn the move is likely due to a desire to keep the genderless {{p|Shedinja}} from learning it.
* Larvesta, along with its evolution, are the only known Pokémon with a double weakness to the {{type|Rock}} that are not {{type|Flying}}s.

===Origin===
Larvesta is based on a {{wp|moth}} and the famed Japanese monument, the {{wp|Tower of the Sun}}. Larvesta appears to be based on an {{wp|Attacus atlas|Atlas moth}} larva. The way its red growths are shaped and positioned on its circular body may be a reference to the sun.

====Name origin====
Larvesta's name is derived from "larva", a term for an infant insect, and {{wp|Vesta (mythology)|Vesta}}, Roman goddess of the hearth and home, symbolised and represented by an eternally-burning fire located in her {{wp|Temple of Vesta|temple}}.

Merlarva may derive from ''"meramera"'' (flare), and ''"larva"''.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{bug color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Bug color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Ignivor
| From ''{{tt|ignis|Latin for 'fire'}}'' and ''{{tt|vor|before, pre-}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Pyronille
| From ''{{tt|pyromanie|pyromania}}'' and ''{{tt|chenille|caterpillar}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 활화르바 ''Hwalhwareuba''
|
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Hydreigon | next=Volcarona | prevnum=635 | nextnum=637 | type=Bug | type2=Fire }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Ignivor]]
[[es:Larvesta]]
[[fr:Pyronille]]
[[it:Larvesta]]
[[ja:メラルバ]]
[[pl:Larvesta]]

Gallade (Pokémon)

2011-07-26T03:16:23Z

Luxraychu: /* Behavior */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Porygon-Z|prevnum=474 | next=Probopass|nextnum=476 |type=Psychic|type2=Fighting }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Gallade |
jname=エルレイド |
tmname=Erlade|
art=DP |
size=200px |
pron=<sc>ga-leyd</sc>|
ndex=475 |
sdex=160 |
abrow=160 |
obrow=136 |
opbrow=195 |
typen=2 |
type1=Psychic |
type2=Fighting |
species=Blade |
height-ftin=5'03" |
height-m=1.6 |
weight-lbs=114.6 |
weight-kg=52.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Steadfast |
abilityd=Justified |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Amorphous |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
evat=3|
expyield=208 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=0|
color=White |
catchrate=45 |
body= 12|
pokefordex=gallade |
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Gallade''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''エルレイド''' ''Erlade'') is a dual-type {{2t|Psychic|Fighting}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation IV]].

He [[Evolution|evolves]] from male {{p|Kirlia}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Dawn Stone}}. He is one of {{p|Ralts}}'s final forms, the other being {{p|Gardevoir}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Gallade have a white lower body that consists of bold rounded hips with strong legs. The torso is thin and colored in a balance between the green of its upper body, and the white of its lower body. Sharp red hornlike protrusions stick out of the chest and back, similar to {{p|Gardevoir}}. Gallade's arms are shaped like {{wp|tonfa}}s, with extendable blades in the elbows. His head resembles a gladiator's helmet, with a white face and a light-teal colored head crest. Like his counterpart Gardevoir, Gallade has spikes on the sides of his face.

====Gender differences====
Gallade is male-only. Some count Gardevoir as his female counterpart, as they both evolve from the same Pokémon, although Gardevoir can be of either [[gender]]. This, however is believed by some to be because at first, [[Game Freak]] hadn't intended to create Gallade, so they made Gardevoir be possible for either.

====Special abilities====
Thanks to Gallade's arm blades, which can be withdrawn and extended to two lengths, he can learn a variety of sword-like attacks in several types. These include {{m|Leaf Blade}}, {{m|Night Slash}}, and the rarely known {{m|Psycho Cut}}. He is one of two non-{{type2|Grass}} Pokémon that can learn Leaf Blade. As with other {{type2|Fighting}} Pokémon, Gallade can summon {{m|Earthquake}}s, and launch rocks at his opponents (in the forms of {{m|Stone Edge}}, {{m|Rock Slide}} or {{m|Rock Tomb}}). It can also learn punching attacks like those elemental punches. He has one of the greatest varieties of moves. Since Gallade is a fully-evolved Pokémon, he can learn {{m|Hyper Beam}} or {{m|Giga Impact}}.

===Behavior===
Gallade are masters of courtesy and swordsmanship, defending the weak from harm. They attack in fierce onslaughts against their foes.

===Habitat===
Gallade hide up in very tall trees, watching for trouble. When the time is right, they leap from their homes to forewarn civilians or fight enemies.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gallade anime.png|thumb|right|250px|Gallade in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
A Gallade under [[Zoey]]'s command made his TV episode debut in ''[[DP177|A Grand Fight for Winning!]]'' where it battled {{an|Dawn}}'s {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} and {{TP|Dawn|Togekiss}} along with [[Zoey's Glameow]] in the [[Sinnoh Grand Festival]] finals.

===Minor appearances===
Gallade made a minor appearance in the 10th movie, ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]''. One led [[Alice]], {{Ash}}, {{an|Dawn}} and {{an|Brock}} to the area that [[Baron Alberto]] believed {{mov|Darkrai|Darkrai|10}} had first "infected". He reappeared some time later.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP177|Gallade|Ash's Pokédex|Gallade, the Blade Pokémon, and the evolved form of {{p|Kirlia}}. Gallade extends its elbows as if they were swords, and when protecting someone, it fights fiercely.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
A Gallade appears as one of the Pokémon owned by [[Castle Valet Darach]].

==In the TCG==
{{main|Gallade (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]: Gallade is a member of the legendary Exploration Team, [[List of Mystery Dungeon characters#Team Raider|Team Raider]], alongside {{p|Roserade}} and {{p|Rhyperior}}.
* [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]: Gallade is used by [[Sinis Trio#Ice|Ice]] to protect the blue circuit ball. It was in a three-way boss battle with Heath's {{p|Rhyperior}} and Lavana's {{p|Magmortar}} in the trio's efforts to thwart the player.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|type2=fighting
|gen=4
|dpdex=A master of courtesy and swordsmanship, it fights using extending swords on its elbows.
|platinumdex=When protecting someone, it extends its elbows as if they were swords and fights savagely.
|hgssdex=Because it can sense what its foe is thinking, its attacks burst out first, fast, and fierce.
|bwdex=When protecting someone, it extends its elbows as if they were swords and fights savagely.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
type2=fighting|
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Kirlia}}{{male}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Kirlia}}{{male}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Kirlia}}{{male}} |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Kirlia}}{{male}} |
gen5ex=white |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Psychic
|type2=Fighting
|md2=[[Spacial Rift]] (B1-B9)
|ranger2=[[Altru Building]]
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]]
|ranger3=[[Sky Fortress]] [[Dark Temple]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Stats|
type=psychic |
type2=fighting |
HP= 68 |
Attack=125 |
Defense=65 |
SpAtk= 65 |
SpDef= 115 |
Speed= 80 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|type2=Fighting
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=3
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=2
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=4
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=psychic|
type2=fighting|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leaf Blade|Grass|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|12|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|20|95|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Heal Pulse|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Feint|Normal|Physical|30|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|59|Close Combat|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Stored Power|Psychic|Special|20|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM03|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM19|Telekinesis|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM47|Low Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM51|Ally Switch|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|200|Misdreavus}}{{MSP|429|Mismagius}}{{MSP|355|Duskull}} {{MSP|356|Dusclops}}{{MSP|477|Dusknoir}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}{{MSP|607|Litwick}}{{MSP|608|Lampent}}{{MSP|609|Chandelure}}|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|109|Koffing}}{{MSP|110|Weezing}}{{MSP|202|Wobbuffet}} {{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}{{MSP|089|Muk}}{{MSP|355|Duskull}}{{MSP|356|Dusclops}}{{MSP|477|Dusknoir}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}} {{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Disable|Normal|Status|—|80|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|316|Gulpin}}{{MSP|317|Swalot}}|Encore|Normal|Status|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|200|Misdreavus}}{{MSP|429|Mismagius}}{{MSP|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP|354|Banette}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Grudge|Ghost|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|200|Misdreavus}}{{MSP|429|Mismagius}}{{MSP|355|Duskull}} {{MSP|356|Dusclops}}{{MSP|477|Dusknoir}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}|Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}{{MSP|089|Muk}}{{MSP|109|Koffing}}{{MSP|110|Weezing}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}{{MSP|607|Litwick}} {{MSP|608|Lampent}}{{MSP|609|Chandelure}}|Memento|Dark|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP|354|Banette}}{{MSP|355|Duskull}}{{MSP|356|Dusclops}}{{MSP|477|Dusknoir}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}|Shadow Sneak|Ghost|Physical|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|577|Solosis}}{{MSP|578|Duosion}}{{MSP|579|Reuniclus}}|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|358|Chimecho}}|Synchronoise|Psychic|Special|70|100|15||||'''}}{{learnlist/breedf|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Gallade|psychic|fighting|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Gallade|psychic|fighting|5|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Lucky Chant|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Future Sight|Psychic|Special|100|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Charm|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|280|Ralts||281|Kirlia||Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Gallade|Psychic|Fighting|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=psychic |
type2=fighting |
ndex=475 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=F |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Fighting |
assist2=Fighting |
field2=Cut |
field2power=5 |
browser2=It attacks with gusts of luminous wind and strange orbs. It also fakes attacks. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Fighting |
assist3=Fighting |
field3=Cut |
field3power=4 |
browser3=It creates shock waves around itself that make Pokémon Paused. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=280
|name1=Ralts
|type1-1=Psychic
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=281
|name2=Kirlia
|type1-2=Psychic
|evotype2=Stone
|evostone2=Dawn Stone
|gender2=male
|sprite3=475
|name3=Gallade
|type1-3=Psychic
|type2-3=Fighting}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
type2=fighting|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=475|
name=Gallade|
animated=1|
}}

==Trivia==
* Gallade's {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Special Attack}} are the reverse of Gardevoir's.
* Gallade's number in the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number|Sinnoh Pokédex]] in {{game|Platinum}} and the [[List of Pokémon by Almia Browser number|Almia Browser]] is the same: 160. This makes it and its evolution family one of only four families of Pokémon (comprising eleven Pokémon altogether) to have the same numbers in more than one Pokédex-like listing.
* Gallade has the same weight as {{p|Blaziken}}, another dual-typed final form {{type2|Fighting}} Pokémon whose first form only has its primary type.
* Gallade is the only non-{{type|Grass}} Pokémon that is able to learn {{m|Leaf Blade}} by levelling up.
* Gallade can learn five moves with an above average chance of inflicting a critical hit; more than any other Pokémon.
* Gallade has the highest {{stat|Special Defense}} of all non-legendary {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon. It shares this trait with {{p|Scrafty}}.
* Gallade shares several similarities with {{p|Bisharp}}. Both have warrior-esque designs that prominently feature crested helmets and bladed arms, and share a height of 5'03".

====Origin====
The single fin on Gallade's head resembles the helmet worn by {{wp|Murmillo|Murmillo-class}} Roman {{wp|Gladiator|gladiators}} or the {{wp|Corinthian helmet}} (with a horsehair crest) that was worn by Greek {{wp|Hoplite|hoplites}}. It may also be based on medieval {{wp|Knight|knights}}. Additionally, its battle stances (depicted in-game and in artwork) resemble the ''en garde'' position and parries of {{wp|Fencing|modern fencing}}.

====Name origin====
Gallade may be a portmanteau of 'gallant', and 'blade', and may also be a reference to Roman gladiators and {{wp|Galahad|Sir Galahad}}. Erlade might be a portmanteau of '{{wp|Earl}}' (in antiquity, a chieftain or military leader; in present day, a rank in the {{wp|Peerage|British nobility}}), or 'elbow', and 'blade', referring to the sword-like appendages on its arms. Or, in accordance with the musical origin of Ralts and the French Gardevoir, it could be based on 'ballade', French for 'ballad', a type of French poetry.

==In other languages==
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| Gallame
| From ''gallant'' and {{tt|''lame''|blade}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 엘레이드 ''Ellade''
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
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| 艾路雷朵 ''Ài Lù Léi Duǒ''
| Transliteration of its Japanese name.
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User talk:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions

2011-07-25T14:00:22Z

Luxraychu: /* NEW */

<BIG><BIG>'''I AM NOT DOING EEVEE EVOLUTIONS.'''</BIG></BIG>
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|December 31, 2007 - February 12, 2009
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|im not going to archive a user subpage talk, so, heres the things covered in the previous installment
* Ninjech't gets a sword
* some stuff about babies that i dont care about
* something about names that dont need to rhyme
* Eeveelution - Dragon
* more stuff about babies
* Drillix is not Dark/Steel
* evolve the Kucheat
* Breloom does not get an evo
* Kecleon should get an evo
* Eeveelution - Poison
* Skarmory
* Dunsparce
* Luvdisc
* Arbok and Weezing
* Eeveelution - Steel
* i dont update much
* Skarmory evo is broken
* Unown evo
* Magcargo
* Eeveelution - Ghost
* Eeveelution - Dragon (again)

and a ton of other ideas that range form ambitions to useless.
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== Name for baby kangis ==

A baby Kangaroo is a Joey. What about Joeyghan.--[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 21:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:while "Joeyghan" is a bit blatent, i think youre on to something. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Better name for the Kangaskhan prevo: Kublaikhan. Because Kangaskhan is obviously based on Ghengis Khan and Kublai Khan is the son of Ghengis Khan. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 10:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Kublai Khan was Ghengis's grandson, not his son. Incidentally, Ghengis Khan had a son named Jochi. And, as Aura Wolf said, a baby kangaroo is a joey. Maybe Jochey or something like that? [[User:Umber|Umber]] 00:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::maybe Jokaīo or Jokāskan. and it evolves with the tan pouch at some lab. [[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan]][[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas
|brendan]][[Special:Contributions/Ethan brendan lucas|lucas]] 10:00:30 November 4, 2010.

== Names ==

Eh, a few ideas

Meowth→Persian→SCRATCHEW (One of my better ones...)

Slugma→Magcargo→LAVIPER (A couple minutes after I made this I thought of Seviper... :P)

Shuppet→Bannette→GHILOQUIST (It is a puppet that takes over an abusers, like a ventriloquist)

Hope I helped! ----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 21:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:not bad
:meh, not relevant
:not bad
:-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

For a Kangaskhan prevo, I came up with Kangajoe.--[[User:Totodilesentret|Totodilesentret!]][[User Talk:Totodilesentret|Talk to me.]] 21:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:getting closer.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Just for reference, Euler is pronounced "oiler", so there might be some confusion over the name. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 00:33, 26 April 2009
:very good point, but i dont think pronunciations really come into play here. hell, if it was pronounced the same, thered probably be a lawsuit.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::Lol, which is probably how they got away with Lapras. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 02:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Why not name it "Oiler" and make it a Water/Poison type? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::its a pre-evo. it wouldnt make sense to give it a type its just going to lose. yea, i know its been {{p|Nincada|done}} {{p|Skorupi|before}}, but, those were dumb decisions by Game Freak. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, 'Oiler' seems like an idiot with no life at Zippy Mart oiling cars, but MAGNEDETH, if you choose 'PERFECT' things for your page instead of not bad, why do you still have 'Crumpette' and 'Rookhan' on there?----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 18:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Heres some names I thought up for Persians Evolution--
Bengalash, a mix of Bengal and lash and --
Calicrip, or something with Calico + something that's a synonym for cut/rip
Sorry i dont have a signature! But Heres a made up one {{unsigned|Pandagasms}}

==NEW==
Oh, don't worry guys, i heard new Pokemon are coming out soon. [[User:Sporeo45]]
::Too bad. Because they tried to make gen V all new Pokés, they left no room. Maybe later [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 13:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==Lucario Bibarel?==

Lucario to make it a Pharaoh Pokémon

Bibarel into somthing that can fly

Dumb I know but I like them [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 01:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:the Lucario one isnt bad, but its hard to evolve him when hes already pretty good. the Bibarel one i dont understand... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't make a Lucario Evolution! Never ever ever! If Nintendo do it then... They've lost a custormer. (Enough said I Think...) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 12:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hay umm Flying Donphan ==

I just thought a Donphan evo that flys like Dumbo would be cool. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 23:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:heh, interesting idea, but i dont think Disney would like that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::: Well it's not like you can really make it happen. You Can still use it if you want. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

So can you help me set up my 2nd sandbox like you're evolution page? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 15:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

== MM ideas ==

OK, I gots an idea for a Luvdisc evolution based on the arrows Cupid shoots to make people fall in love. A Water/Flying type. Ability: Filter. Name: Cupidisc (I'm also toying with the name Arrodisc/Arrowdisc). Slightly better Speed. MUCH better Attack. It'll look like a Luvdisc, but with more of a point to its mouth so it can use stuff like Fury Attack, Drill Peck, and Aerial Ace. It'll also have a tail-think Hitmontop's tail, but slightly longer. And, at the end, a slightly smaller heart, like a miniature Luvdisc.

Also, an Eevee PRE-EVOLUTION. I'm thinking for the name "Peearee" (pronounced pee-are-eee; as in P-R-E; as in PRE-evolution). To evolve into Eevee, level it up with, ironically, the Everstone.

Also, I give you: Enemite. Derived from enemy and mite, referring to its small size. It would be Poison/Normal, and evolve when its happiness is at its minimum. Its only moves would be Frustration, Spite, and Scary Face. It would evolve into Seviper if its ability were Shed Skin, and into Zangoose if its ability were Immunity. So, what you think? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:the Luvdisc one is pretty thought out. an Eevee prevo is pretty unnecessary. and Enemite is an ambitious idea, but it would break the laws of physics evolving into either a mammal or a snake. granted, Pokemon doesnt really follow these laws. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Corsola Evo ==

I've always had an idea for a Corsola evolution. It's called Corseptic, and it's a rock/poison type. Yeah, screwed against ground types, right? Wrong! Its ability is Levitate, so that makes up for this grave weakness. It learns generally water, rock, poison, and psychic type moves. Its leg is basically a spike that generates the psychic energy needed to float. It has glowing, red eyes and a gaping mouth, rivalling that of Swalot. I imagine it would evolve through leveling up knowing "Poison Blast" (Super-Powerful Poison move). What do you think? --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:i like the idea of a Corsola evo, and i like the idea of a Rock/Poison-type, but can you really justify removing Corsola's Water-type? its coral! from the water! sounds more like itd make sense as a Swalot evo. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::That sounds great! Swalot could use one of those! But, I made a picture of what it would look like (along with a few other ideas), so [http://cradman.deviantart.com/art/Fake-Pokemon-Evolutions-132472919 check it out!] --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hello New Babys ==

I think we should have babys for [[Absol]], [[Croagunk]], [[Buizel]], and one for both [[Miltank]] and [[Tauros]] [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 17:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Like the ideas. i've got names.

ABSUN (Psycic) - absol (Dark) (OK,Ok it's rubbish, but i think we need a new non-legendary psycic)

POISNUNK (Poisen) - croagunk (Poisen/fighting) - Toxicroak (Poisen/Fighting)

(I disagree with the buizel idea!)

CREAMOS (Normal) - Miltank (Normal)

::::::OR

:::::Tauros (Normal)

Whadda ya'll think? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 13:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Minduck? Seriously? ==
585 Base stat total. Really? Topping Arcanine, the Pokémon with the second highest base stat total besides pseudo legendaries and legendaries by 30 points?! Seems to me it'd be better to give Psyduck an alternate evolution that's Water/Psychic and rearranging Golducks base stats (after all Golducks stats are already good) HP 80, Attack 60, Defense 70, Special Attack 105, Special Defense 100, Speed 85 or something? Not sure about a name though, maybe something to do with Psyduck harnessing it's psychic powers? Beats me. Just a thought, anyway. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== hahaha ==

Klanger?
sorry dude, but some of these names are just SO un-original. but, hey! you did an a lot better job than the people who made diamond and pearl did! (:

oh and im liking the idea of ninjetch'd. thats cool - ''unsigned comment from {{u|TheLastCharmander}} ([[User talk:TheLastCharmander|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheLastCharmander|contribs]]) ''
:most of the names are just placeholders of sorts with little or no thought put into them (barring a select few like Lapras prevo and Dunsparce evo). the general idea im trying to convey is that some Pokemon are hopelessly useless and need to be fixed. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Well ALL the evolutions you just created have become some of the strongest Pokémon in the games. I mean, not EVERY Pokémon can be amazing dude. Except Ninjetch'd. THAT'S a good idea--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 18:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I like Klanger... [[User:Sporeo45]]

==Unown Evo's name==
Personally, I don't like it ''King Unown''!? Talk about being uncreative. Why not Enygma? :v [[User:Tyro|User:Tyro]] 08:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:no, i agree, "King Unown" is a stupid name, but while "Enygma" is a good name, i dont think it really fits for the king here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Neuinpine ==

How about a different Sudowoodo evolution called Ninepine or Neunpine? Neun is "nine" in German, and Nein is "no" in German. I think you know where the "pine" comes from. It will have nine branches on it (four on each side, one on the top), and be Rock/Dark. Sudowoodo will evolve into it when holding False Branch at Lv. 40 at night. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Evolution Stats ==

I love your pages, however with many of your new evolutions their base stats are over 540 (which is often considered the absolute max for normal Pokemon) those higher have reasons or hindering abilities, neat idea with new type combination but not every Pokemon needs a unique or duel type

[[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 08:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

==Jynx & Parasect==
First of all, Parasect looks cool, but is pretty useless. Even though it has X-Scissor and Cross Poison, it's not like Mamoswine. I think it should evolve into a Bug-Fighting type, where in the Parasect trying to take off it's mushroom, the mushroom becomes extremely hostile and gives the evo an extremely high Attack, Defense, and Speed stat. It evolves by level up while holding the Black Belt, and it's BST is around 540. Before you dismiss it as a copy of Heracross and Guilloreap, the Parasect evo is also equipped with status moves like Stun Spore for easier kills.

Also, Jynx was downright ditched in Gen. IV. Her "brothers" went on to get an evo, while Jynx got stuck with... Jynx. While Game Freak definitely doesn't want a copy of what happened before, Jynx should also have a better movepool, as it learns stuff like Wake-Up Slap and Body Slam with it's dismal attack Stat. While the evo would have a significantly increased Attack stat, Jynx should not only raise her Sp. Attack, but be able to learn moves like Psychic BY LEVEL UP. You can only get so many Psychic and Energy ball TMs. [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 16:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)TFSpock
:i see where youre going, but those simply wont work.
:the Parasect evo would not only deviate from what it is (Bug/Grass), but completely change its purpose and disposition. it would also be way too powerful. thanks to Spore, Parasect isnt really allowed to be too fast. its status/kill combo would decimate teams. an evo for 'sect isnt that bad of an idea, but your suggestions simply wouldnt work. also, it cant evolve via Black Belt because then in theory it would be possible to acquire in past games, which we know it cant.
:Jynx getting an evo isnt too bad of an idea but again, youre changing it too much. Jynx isnt supposed to have a high attack stat, it just isnt made for that. not saying it couldnt, but if it were to evolve it would simply gain a traditional boost in all stats to help it reach regular levels with the rest of the series. the updated movepool is something it could probably use though. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Baby Pinsir and more ==

I think a preevolution for Pinsir with one horn on its head would be kind of cute. I also think an evolution of Sharpedo with a dorsal fin like a meat cleaver and an Octillery evo that's Water and Fighting and looks like the Kraken would be cool. By the way, if Pineco evolved into a grenade-like form, would they approv of that in America?--[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 18:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== If i may... ==
A recommendation for Onix's new evo item could be Drill Bit? no wait... Super Quick Claw gets the fast point across. Speedrill? No, that could make a name for Drillix! Ah, wait... Am i being too pushy?

== better Arbok evo name ==

instead of Nohtyp, how about Abmam, Repiv, or even somthing not backwards, like Hydrake, a poison/dragon type, that could have 3 heads.

Arbok could evolve into it after holding a dragon fang and leveling up. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 10:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

== Chatot ==

I used Chatot in Pearl, from when I caught it (fairly early, if I remember correctly) to beating the Pokemon league. It's a flyer, of course, plus I like the way it looks. Seems like ti should have had an evolution in gen 4 since all the other flying types you could get early enough were stupid. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 20:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== "Treowoodo" ==

I feel it necessary to point out that "tréowe" is not the Latin word for "true," which would be "verus" (nor is it Latin for anything — the ancient Romans didn't have W or diacritical marks). [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/treowe Wiktionary says] that it means "true" in Old English, a completely separate language from Latin (or at least as separate as two Indo-European tongues can be). —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 02:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:hmm, ok, so how about "Veruwoodo" then? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::"Ver'''i'''woodo" would be more in-line with how Latin compounds & derivatives are formed (consider "verity," "verify," "veritable," etc.). —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 02:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions

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Luxraychu: /* NEW */

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{| {{bluetable|background: white;}} width="30%" align="right"
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|December 31, 2007 - February 12, 2009
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|im not going to archive a user subpage talk, so, heres the things covered in the previous installment
* Ninjech't gets a sword
* some stuff about babies that i dont care about
* something about names that dont need to rhyme
* Eeveelution - Dragon
* more stuff about babies
* Drillix is not Dark/Steel
* evolve the Kucheat
* Breloom does not get an evo
* Kecleon should get an evo
* Eeveelution - Poison
* Skarmory
* Dunsparce
* Luvdisc
* Arbok and Weezing
* Eeveelution - Steel
* i dont update much
* Skarmory evo is broken
* Unown evo
* Magcargo
* Eeveelution - Ghost
* Eeveelution - Dragon (again)

and a ton of other ideas that range form ambitions to useless.
|}

== Name for baby kangis ==

A baby Kangaroo is a Joey. What about Joeyghan.--[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 21:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:while "Joeyghan" is a bit blatent, i think youre on to something. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Better name for the Kangaskhan prevo: Kublaikhan. Because Kangaskhan is obviously based on Ghengis Khan and Kublai Khan is the son of Ghengis Khan. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 10:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Kublai Khan was Ghengis's grandson, not his son. Incidentally, Ghengis Khan had a son named Jochi. And, as Aura Wolf said, a baby kangaroo is a joey. Maybe Jochey or something like that? [[User:Umber|Umber]] 00:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::maybe Jokaīo or Jokāskan. and it evolves with the tan pouch at some lab. [[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan]][[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas
|brendan]][[Special:Contributions/Ethan brendan lucas|lucas]] 10:00:30 November 4, 2010.

== Names ==

Eh, a few ideas

Meowth→Persian→SCRATCHEW (One of my better ones...)

Slugma→Magcargo→LAVIPER (A couple minutes after I made this I thought of Seviper... :P)

Shuppet→Bannette→GHILOQUIST (It is a puppet that takes over an abusers, like a ventriloquist)

Hope I helped! ----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 21:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:not bad
:meh, not relevant
:not bad
:-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

For a Kangaskhan prevo, I came up with Kangajoe.--[[User:Totodilesentret|Totodilesentret!]][[User Talk:Totodilesentret|Talk to me.]] 21:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:getting closer.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Just for reference, Euler is pronounced "oiler", so there might be some confusion over the name. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 00:33, 26 April 2009
:very good point, but i dont think pronunciations really come into play here. hell, if it was pronounced the same, thered probably be a lawsuit.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::Lol, which is probably how they got away with Lapras. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 02:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Why not name it "Oiler" and make it a Water/Poison type? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::its a pre-evo. it wouldnt make sense to give it a type its just going to lose. yea, i know its been {{p|Nincada|done}} {{p|Skorupi|before}}, but, those were dumb decisions by Game Freak. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, 'Oiler' seems like an idiot with no life at Zippy Mart oiling cars, but MAGNEDETH, if you choose 'PERFECT' things for your page instead of not bad, why do you still have 'Crumpette' and 'Rookhan' on there?----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 18:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Heres some names I thought up for Persians Evolution--
Bengalash, a mix of Bengal and lash and --
Calicrip, or something with Calico + something that's a synonym for cut/rip
Sorry i dont have a signature! But Heres a made up one {{unsigned|Pandagasms}}

==NEW==
Oh, don't worry guys, i heard new Pokemon are coming out soon. [[User:Sporeo45]]
Too bad. Because they tried to make gen V all new Pokés, they left no room. Maybe later[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 13:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==Lucario Bibarel?==

Lucario to make it a Pharaoh Pokémon

Bibarel into somthing that can fly

Dumb I know but I like them [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 01:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:the Lucario one isnt bad, but its hard to evolve him when hes already pretty good. the Bibarel one i dont understand... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't make a Lucario Evolution! Never ever ever! If Nintendo do it then... They've lost a custormer. (Enough said I Think...) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 12:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hay umm Flying Donphan ==

I just thought a Donphan evo that flys like Dumbo would be cool. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 23:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:heh, interesting idea, but i dont think Disney would like that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::: Well it's not like you can really make it happen. You Can still use it if you want. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

So can you help me set up my 2nd sandbox like you're evolution page? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 15:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

== MM ideas ==

OK, I gots an idea for a Luvdisc evolution based on the arrows Cupid shoots to make people fall in love. A Water/Flying type. Ability: Filter. Name: Cupidisc (I'm also toying with the name Arrodisc/Arrowdisc). Slightly better Speed. MUCH better Attack. It'll look like a Luvdisc, but with more of a point to its mouth so it can use stuff like Fury Attack, Drill Peck, and Aerial Ace. It'll also have a tail-think Hitmontop's tail, but slightly longer. And, at the end, a slightly smaller heart, like a miniature Luvdisc.

Also, an Eevee PRE-EVOLUTION. I'm thinking for the name "Peearee" (pronounced pee-are-eee; as in P-R-E; as in PRE-evolution). To evolve into Eevee, level it up with, ironically, the Everstone.

Also, I give you: Enemite. Derived from enemy and mite, referring to its small size. It would be Poison/Normal, and evolve when its happiness is at its minimum. Its only moves would be Frustration, Spite, and Scary Face. It would evolve into Seviper if its ability were Shed Skin, and into Zangoose if its ability were Immunity. So, what you think? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:the Luvdisc one is pretty thought out. an Eevee prevo is pretty unnecessary. and Enemite is an ambitious idea, but it would break the laws of physics evolving into either a mammal or a snake. granted, Pokemon doesnt really follow these laws. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Corsola Evo ==

I've always had an idea for a Corsola evolution. It's called Corseptic, and it's a rock/poison type. Yeah, screwed against ground types, right? Wrong! Its ability is Levitate, so that makes up for this grave weakness. It learns generally water, rock, poison, and psychic type moves. Its leg is basically a spike that generates the psychic energy needed to float. It has glowing, red eyes and a gaping mouth, rivalling that of Swalot. I imagine it would evolve through leveling up knowing "Poison Blast" (Super-Powerful Poison move). What do you think? --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:i like the idea of a Corsola evo, and i like the idea of a Rock/Poison-type, but can you really justify removing Corsola's Water-type? its coral! from the water! sounds more like itd make sense as a Swalot evo. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::That sounds great! Swalot could use one of those! But, I made a picture of what it would look like (along with a few other ideas), so [http://cradman.deviantart.com/art/Fake-Pokemon-Evolutions-132472919 check it out!] --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hello New Babys ==

I think we should have babys for [[Absol]], [[Croagunk]], [[Buizel]], and one for both [[Miltank]] and [[Tauros]] [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 17:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Like the ideas. i've got names.

ABSUN (Psycic) - absol (Dark) (OK,Ok it's rubbish, but i think we need a new non-legendary psycic)

POISNUNK (Poisen) - croagunk (Poisen/fighting) - Toxicroak (Poisen/Fighting)

(I disagree with the buizel idea!)

CREAMOS (Normal) - Miltank (Normal)

::::::OR

:::::Tauros (Normal)

Whadda ya'll think? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 13:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Minduck? Seriously? ==
585 Base stat total. Really? Topping Arcanine, the Pokémon with the second highest base stat total besides pseudo legendaries and legendaries by 30 points?! Seems to me it'd be better to give Psyduck an alternate evolution that's Water/Psychic and rearranging Golducks base stats (after all Golducks stats are already good) HP 80, Attack 60, Defense 70, Special Attack 105, Special Defense 100, Speed 85 or something? Not sure about a name though, maybe something to do with Psyduck harnessing it's psychic powers? Beats me. Just a thought, anyway. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== hahaha ==

Klanger?
sorry dude, but some of these names are just SO un-original. but, hey! you did an a lot better job than the people who made diamond and pearl did! (:

oh and im liking the idea of ninjetch'd. thats cool - ''unsigned comment from {{u|TheLastCharmander}} ([[User talk:TheLastCharmander|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheLastCharmander|contribs]]) ''
:most of the names are just placeholders of sorts with little or no thought put into them (barring a select few like Lapras prevo and Dunsparce evo). the general idea im trying to convey is that some Pokemon are hopelessly useless and need to be fixed. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Well ALL the evolutions you just created have become some of the strongest Pokémon in the games. I mean, not EVERY Pokémon can be amazing dude. Except Ninjetch'd. THAT'S a good idea--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 18:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I like Klanger... [[User:Sporeo45]]

==Unown Evo's name==
Personally, I don't like it ''King Unown''!? Talk about being uncreative. Why not Enygma? :v [[User:Tyro|User:Tyro]] 08:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:no, i agree, "King Unown" is a stupid name, but while "Enygma" is a good name, i dont think it really fits for the king here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Neuinpine ==

How about a different Sudowoodo evolution called Ninepine or Neunpine? Neun is "nine" in German, and Nein is "no" in German. I think you know where the "pine" comes from. It will have nine branches on it (four on each side, one on the top), and be Rock/Dark. Sudowoodo will evolve into it when holding False Branch at Lv. 40 at night. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Evolution Stats ==

I love your pages, however with many of your new evolutions their base stats are over 540 (which is often considered the absolute max for normal Pokemon) those higher have reasons or hindering abilities, neat idea with new type combination but not every Pokemon needs a unique or duel type

[[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 08:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

==Jynx & Parasect==
First of all, Parasect looks cool, but is pretty useless. Even though it has X-Scissor and Cross Poison, it's not like Mamoswine. I think it should evolve into a Bug-Fighting type, where in the Parasect trying to take off it's mushroom, the mushroom becomes extremely hostile and gives the evo an extremely high Attack, Defense, and Speed stat. It evolves by level up while holding the Black Belt, and it's BST is around 540. Before you dismiss it as a copy of Heracross and Guilloreap, the Parasect evo is also equipped with status moves like Stun Spore for easier kills.

Also, Jynx was downright ditched in Gen. IV. Her "brothers" went on to get an evo, while Jynx got stuck with... Jynx. While Game Freak definitely doesn't want a copy of what happened before, Jynx should also have a better movepool, as it learns stuff like Wake-Up Slap and Body Slam with it's dismal attack Stat. While the evo would have a significantly increased Attack stat, Jynx should not only raise her Sp. Attack, but be able to learn moves like Psychic BY LEVEL UP. You can only get so many Psychic and Energy ball TMs. [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 16:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)TFSpock
:i see where youre going, but those simply wont work.
:the Parasect evo would not only deviate from what it is (Bug/Grass), but completely change its purpose and disposition. it would also be way too powerful. thanks to Spore, Parasect isnt really allowed to be too fast. its status/kill combo would decimate teams. an evo for 'sect isnt that bad of an idea, but your suggestions simply wouldnt work. also, it cant evolve via Black Belt because then in theory it would be possible to acquire in past games, which we know it cant.
:Jynx getting an evo isnt too bad of an idea but again, youre changing it too much. Jynx isnt supposed to have a high attack stat, it just isnt made for that. not saying it couldnt, but if it were to evolve it would simply gain a traditional boost in all stats to help it reach regular levels with the rest of the series. the updated movepool is something it could probably use though. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Baby Pinsir and more ==

I think a preevolution for Pinsir with one horn on its head would be kind of cute. I also think an evolution of Sharpedo with a dorsal fin like a meat cleaver and an Octillery evo that's Water and Fighting and looks like the Kraken would be cool. By the way, if Pineco evolved into a grenade-like form, would they approv of that in America?--[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 18:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== If i may... ==
A recommendation for Onix's new evo item could be Drill Bit? no wait... Super Quick Claw gets the fast point across. Speedrill? No, that could make a name for Drillix! Ah, wait... Am i being too pushy?

== better Arbok evo name ==

instead of Nohtyp, how about Abmam, Repiv, or even somthing not backwards, like Hydrake, a poison/dragon type, that could have 3 heads.

Arbok could evolve into it after holding a dragon fang and leveling up. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 10:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

== Chatot ==

I used Chatot in Pearl, from when I caught it (fairly early, if I remember correctly) to beating the Pokemon league. It's a flyer, of course, plus I like the way it looks. Seems like ti should have had an evolution in gen 4 since all the other flying types you could get early enough were stupid. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 20:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== "Treowoodo" ==

I feel it necessary to point out that "tréowe" is not the Latin word for "true," which would be "verus" (nor is it Latin for anything — the ancient Romans didn't have W or diacritical marks). [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/treowe Wiktionary says] that it means "true" in Old English, a completely separate language from Latin (or at least as separate as two Indo-European tongues can be). —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 02:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:hmm, ok, so how about "Veruwoodo" then? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
::"Ver'''i'''woodo" would be more in-line with how Latin compounds & derivatives are formed (consider "verity," "verify," "veritable," etc.). —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 02:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2011-07-25T03:56:10Z

Luxraychu: /* Unobtainable Shinies */

==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
: How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf ]] 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the ''treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link)'' box in your preferences ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden power ==
I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

== Statistical probability ==

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not [[Pseudo-random number generation in Pokémon|GF's one]]) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny {{tt|stabilizes|coverges/tends}} to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Pokedex note ==

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: ''"In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny."'' This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, ''by default'', the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:
1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!
I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and V ==

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of '''legit''' Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have{{tt|*|Without counting the Red Gyarados}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is ''not'' native for Unova ([[Sandslash (Pokémon)|it's evolution]] ''is''), so we need other example. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::: we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny physiology section? ==

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable Shinies ==

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:To be honest, I don't think it is nessisary to do this. However, since it is a wiki, you can add the section yourself. If you mess up, an admin will probably take care of it. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
: How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf ]] 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the ''treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link)'' box in your preferences ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden power ==
I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

== Statistical probability ==

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not [[Pseudo-random number generation in Pokémon|GF's one]]) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny {{tt|stabilizes|coverges/tends}} to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Pokedex note ==

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: ''"In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny."'' This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, ''by default'', the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:
1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!
I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and V ==

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of '''legit''' Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have{{tt|*|Without counting the Red Gyarados}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is ''not'' native for Unova ([[Sandslash (Pokémon)|it's evolution]] ''is''), so we need other example. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::: we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny physiology section? ==

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable Shinies ==

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Trio master

2011-07-20T00:02:15Z

Luxraychu: /* Kyurem */

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:Legendary_birds.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| [[File:GenIII_Battle.jpg|100px]] [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Regis.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| [[File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg|100px]] [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
|}
:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
''
"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions they gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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[[File:First Part.jpg]]

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[[File:Second Part.jpg]]

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[[File:Third Part.jpg]]
:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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[[File:Back cover.JPG]]
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[[File:Cover.JPG]]
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:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that Kyurem's base stat total is lesser than that of zekrom and reshiram, so there might be a new one to fill that void as it would be hard for it to control those other two. Just a thought, mind you. We'll all find out eventually. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Lake Trio ==
Is it possible Cresselia is the master of the Lake Trio? As stated above, in the Real History section, Cresselia did (possibly) create the trio, and as quoted from Cresselia's page, "Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the Lake guardians." It seems they also used the same shades of the above colors. In addition, they are all Psychic type. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hello? I would like an answer. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Even if it is, there is not enough evidence that Cresselia is the Lake Trio's master. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Swadloon (Pokémon)

2011-07-13T03:04:49Z

Luxraychu: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Swadloon | prev=Sewaddle | next=Leavanny | prevnum=540| nextnum=542| type=Bug|type2=Grass }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Swadloon |
jname=クルマユ |
tmname=Kurumayu |
size=200px|
art=BW|
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|pee-kah-bloo}}}''</sc> |
species=Leaf-Wrapped |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Grass |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Leaf Guard |
ability2=Chlorophyll |
abilityd=Overcoat |
ndex=541|
udex=047 |
height-ftin=1'08" |
height-m=0.5 |
weight-lbs=16.1 |
weight-kg=7.3 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
eggcycles=15 |
expyield=133 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Green |
catchrate=120 |
body=04|
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
evde=2|
footnotes=}}
'''Swadloon''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''クルマユ''' ''Kurumayu'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Grass}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Sewaddle}} starting at level 20 and evolves into {{p|Leavanny}} when [[level]]ed up with high [[happiness]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Swadloon is a round, yellow Pokémon inside of a cocoon of leaves, which it drapes around itself, and is able to see through a crescent slit in the leaves. Under its "blanket" are darker green limp leaves which trail under its body. The top of the cocoon has two crests connected joined together at the bottom to form a "v" shape, and appear to be the Pokémon's antennae. On its back are the veins of the leaf as well as its stumpy tail. Swadloon is almost always seen wearing a glum or bored expression, with a small frown and its eyes looking vaguely grumpy.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Plants grow well in the forests that it lives in because Swadloon convert fallen leaves into nourishment.

===Behavior===
To protect itself from the cold it will cover itself with leaves.

===Habitat===
Swadloon live on forest floors.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Swadloon eats fallen leaves.

==In the anime==
[[File:Ash Swadloon.png|250px|right|thumb|Swadloon in the anime]]
===[[Ash's Swadloon]]===
{{Ash}}'s Sewaddle evolved into Swadloon in ''[[BW023|Battling For The Love of Bug-Types!]]'' during his battle with [[Burgh]].

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW023|Swadloon|Ash's Pokédex|Swadloon, the Leaf-Wrapped Pokémon and the [[Evolution|evolved]] form of {{p|Sewaddle}}. Swadloon's body is covered in leaves which protect it from the cold. In forests where Swadloon live, the trees and grass grow very well.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Swadloon (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Bug
|type2=Grass
|gen=5
|blackdex=Forests where Swadloon live have superb foliage because the nutrients they make from fallen leaves nourish the plant life.
|whitedex=It protects itself from the cold by wrapping up in leaves. It stays on the move, eating leaves in forests.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Bug|
type2=Grass|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Common|
bwarea=[[Pinwheel Forest]], [[Lostlorn Forest]], {{rt|6|Unova}} |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=bug|type2=grass
|bw1=Mental Herb|bw1type=In-battle effect item|bw1rar=5|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Bug|
type2=Grass|
HP=55|
Attack=63|
Defense=90|
SpAtk=50|
SpDef=80|
Speed=42}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Bug|
type2=Grass|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 400 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 25 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 400 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Swadloon|Bug|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|GrassWhistle|Grass|Status|—|55|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Swadloon|Bug|Grass|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Swadloon|Bug|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM76|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|30|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Swadloon|Bug|Grass|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Swadloon|Bug|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}{{MSP|123|Scyther}}{{MSP|212|Scizor}}{{MSP|165|Ledyba}}{{MSP|166|Ledian}}{{MSP|167|Spinarak}} {{MSP|168|Ariados}}{{MSP|283|Surskit}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}{{MSP|543|Venipede}}{{MSP|544|Whirlipede}}{{MSP|545|Scolipede}} {{MSP|595|Joltik}}{{MSP|596|Galvantula}}{{MSP|617|Accelgor}}{{MSP|632|Durant}}|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|123|Scyther}}{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}{{MSP|284|Masquerain}}{{MSP|414|Mothim}}|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|165|Ledyba}}{{MSP|166|Ledian}}{{MSP|283|Surskit}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}{{MSP|545|Scolipede}}|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|414|Mothim}}|Camouflage|Normal|Status|—|—|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|617|Accelgor}}|Me First|Normal|Status|—|—|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|290|Nincada}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}|Mind Reader|Normal|Status|—|—|5|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|123|Scyther}}{{MSP|212|Scizor}}|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}{{MSP|207|Gligar}}{{MSP|472|Gliscor}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}{{MSP|329|Vibrava}} {{MSP|330|Flygon}}{{MSP|402|Kricketune}}{{MSP|543|Venipede}}{{MSP|544|Whirlipede}}{{MSP|545|Scolipede}}{{MSP|595|Joltik}} {{MSP|596|Galvantula}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|165|Ledyba}}{{MSP|166|Ledian}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|269|Dustox}} {{MSP|284|Masquerain}}{{MSP|414|Mothim}}{{MSP|637|Volcarona}}|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5||||'''}}{{learnlist/breedf|Swadloon|Bug|Grass|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Swadloon|bug|grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Swadloon|bug|grass|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Swadloon|bug|grass|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|540|Sewaddle|||||Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|540|Sewaddle|||||Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|540|Sewaddle|||||Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Swadloon|bug|grass|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=540
|name1=Sewaddle
|type1-1=Bug
|type2-1=Grass
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=541
|name2=Swadloon
|type1-2=Bug
|type2-2=Grass
|evotype2=Happiness
|sprite3=542
|name3=Leavanny
|type1-3=Bug
|type2-3=Grass
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=bug |
type2=grass |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Swadloon |
ndex=541 |
}}

==Trivia==
* Swadloon's {{DL|Stats|Defense}} and {{DL|Stats|Special Defense}} [[stats]] drop when it evolves into Leavanny.
* Swadloon, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Cascoon}} and {{p|Vigoroth}} are the only Pokémon who lose their pre-evolution's ability, then regain it upon evolution to their final form.

===Origin===
Swadloon is based on the {{wp|caterpillar}} of the {{wp|Epargyreus clarus}} during {{wp|chrysalis}}. Epargyreus clarus fold leaves over themselves for shelter as they age and, when cocooning, eventually use silk to stick the leaves together and form its chrysalis. The appearance of Swadloon hiding in its blanket bears some resemblance to the stereotypical portrayal of people suffering from {{wp|Hikikomori}} (acute social anxiety disorder) syndrome in Japanese media. Its evolution to {{p|Leavanny}} (whose Japanese name is two kana away from Hikikomori) being caused by [[happiness]] may also be a lesson.

====Name origin====
Swadloon is possibly a combination of ''swaddle'', meaning to wrap a baby in cloth (in this case, leaves), and ''cocoon''. It may also invoke ''loom'', a machine used to weave fabric, or ''pantaloons'', a term for loose-fitting trousers .

Kurumayu is likely a combination of 包む ''kurumu'', to wrap up, and 繭 ''mayu'', cocoon.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Grass color}}; background: #{{Bug color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Bug color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Folikon
| From ''{{tt|folium|Latin for 'leaf'}}'' and ''{{tt|Kokon|cocoon}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Couverdure
| From ''{{tt|couverture|blanket}}'' and ''{{tt|verdure|greenery}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 두르쿤 ''Dureukun''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 寶包繭 / 宝包茧 ''Bǎobāojiǎn''
| From {{p|Sewaddle}}'s Chinese name {{tt|蟲寶包|Chóngbǎobāo}}, {{tt|包|bāo}} meaning "wrap", and {{wp|Pupa#Cocoon|{{tt|繭 ''jiǎn''|cocoon}}}}.
|}
|-
|}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Ash's Swadloon]]


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Sewaddle | next=Leavanny | prevnum=540 | nextnum=542 | type=Bug | type2=Grass }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon that evolve by happiness]]

[[de:Folikon]]
[[es:Swadloon]]
[[fr:Couverdure]]
[[it:Swadloon]]
[[ja:クルマユ]]
[[pl:Swadloon]]

Axew (Pokémon)

2011-07-12T15:52:39Z

Luxraychu: /* Special abilities */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Axew | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Axew |
jname=キバゴ |
tmname=Kibago |
size=160px|
art=BW |
species=Tusk |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rivalry |
ability2=Mold Breaker |
abilityd=Unnerve |
ndex=610 |
udex=116 |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=39.7 |
weight-kg=18.0 |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster|
egggroup2=Dragon|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=Green|
catchrate=75|
evat=1|
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Axew''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キバゴ''' ''Kibago'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Fraxure}} starting at [[level]] 38, which then evolves into {{p|Haxorus}} starting at level 48.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Axew is a bipedal, greenish-colored Pokémon with noticeable nostrils and pale tusks protruding from the sides of its mouth. The back of its head, tipped with dark grayish-green coloration, has a horn- or spike-like, pointed and tall protrusion. Axew also has dark grayish-green coloration rimming its eyes, which have red irises. A collar-like, forest-green patterning encircles its neck; most of its body is a dull grayish green. Axew's limbs and tail are small, with its forelimbs having three digits and its feet having two digits.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
An Axew's tusks can easily regenerate at a rapid rate when broken. Axew can use its tusks to [[Dual Chop (move)|strike at the foe twice]].

===Behavior===
With the use of their tusks, Axew mark their territory by putting gashes on trees and plants.

===Habitat===
Axew live in areas with plants. They also prefer to live in caves.

===Diet===
Axew's main diet consists of fruits and berries usually found on the trees by its habitat. It uses its tusks to crush berries before it eats them.

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Axew.png|thumb|right|250px|Iris and her Axew]]
===Major appearances===
====Iris's Axew====
{{main|Iris's Axew}}
{{an|Iris}} owns an {{TP|Iris|Axew}}, which was introduced with her in ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''. She carries him with her, outside of a Poké Ball, in her hair. His major goal is to evolve into a mighty {{p|Haxorus}}.

====Other====

===Minor appearances===
Multiple Axew appeared in {{an|Iris}}'s flashback in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]''.


===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW002|Axew|Ash's Pokédex|Axew, the Tusk Pokémon. Axew marks its territory by making scratch marks on trees with its tusks, which regrow if they fall out.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Axew (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dragon
|gen=5
|blackdex=They use their tusks to crush the berries they eat. Repeated regrowth makes their tusks strong and sharp.
|whitedex=They mark their territory by leaving gashes in trees with their tusks. If a tusk breaks, a new one grows in quickly.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Uncommon|
bwarea=[[Mistralton Cave]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
HP=46|
Attack=87|
Defense=60|
SpAtk=30|
SpDef=40|
Speed=57}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Dual Chop|Dragon|Physical|40|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|24|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Guillotine|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|61|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|004|Charmander}}{{MSP|005|Charmeleon}}{{MSP|006|Charizard}}{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}} {{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}} {{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}} {{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Counter|Physical|Status|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|333|Swablu}}{{MSP|334|Altaria}}{{MSP|610|Axew}} {{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|116|Horsea}} {{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|371|Bagon}}{{MSP|372|Shelgon}}{{MSP|373|Salamence}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}} {{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|254|Sceptile}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|252|Treecko}}{{MSP|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP|254|Sceptile}} {{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|||*}}{{learnlist/breedf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====Special moves====
====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Iris's Axew|Iris's]] [[List_of_North_American_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2011#Iris's Axew|Axew]]|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|||1}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=610
|name1=Axew
|type1-1=Dragon
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=611
|name2=Fraxure
|type1-2=Dragon
|evotype2=Level
|level2=48
|sprite3=612
|name3=Haxorus
|type1-3=Dragon
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=dragon |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Axew |
ndex=610
}}

==Trivia==
* Axew was first seen on [[a:File:BW anime.png|concept art]] from the {{series|Best Wishes}} along with {{p|Servine}}, {{p|Dewott}}, and {{p|Woobat}}.
* Axew is the only Pokémon with the ability {{a|Unnerve}} that is able to evolve twice.

===Origin===
Axew's tusks are similar in appearance to {{wp|Scutosaurus|Scutosaurid}}'s or possibly {{wp|Ceratopsia|Ceratopsid}}'s cheekbone tusks. Its crest may be based on a {{wp|Hadrosaurid|Hadrosaurid}}'s, more specifically {{wp|Saurolophus|Saurolophid}}'s, or possibly a {{wp|Corytophanidae|Corytophanid}}'s, possibly the {{wp|plumed basilisk}}'s.

====Name origin====
Axew is likely a combination of the words ''axe'' and ''chew'' or ''hew''. Kibago may be derived from 牙 ''kiba'' meaning tusk, and 顎 ''ago'' meaning jaw.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Dragon color dark}}; background: #{{Dragon color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Dragon color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Milza
| From ''{{tt|Milchzahn|milk tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Coupenotte
| From ''{{tt|couper|to cut}}'' and ''{{tt|quenotte|child's tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 터검니 ''Teogeomni''
| From {{tt|턱 ''teog''|jaw}} and {{tt|엄니 ''eomni''|tusk}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 牙牙 ''Yá Yá''
| {{tt|牙 ''Yá''|tooth or ivory}} doubled.
|}
|-
|}
{{left clear}}


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Milza]]
[[es:Axew]]
[[fr:Coupenotte]]
[[it:Axew]]
[[ja:キバゴ]]
[[pl:Axew]]
[[pt:Kibago (pokémon)]]

Axew (Pokémon)

2011-07-12T15:41:09Z

Luxraychu: /* Diet */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Axew | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Axew |
jname=キバゴ |
tmname=Kibago |
size=160px|
art=BW |
species=Tusk |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Rivalry |
ability2=Mold Breaker |
abilityd=Unnerve |
ndex=610 |
udex=116 |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=39.7 |
weight-kg=18.0 |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster|
egggroup2=Dragon|
eggcycles=40|
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=127|
color=Green|
catchrate=75|
evat=1|
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Axew''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キバゴ''' ''Kibago'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Fraxure}} starting at [[level]] 38, which then evolves into {{p|Haxorus}} starting at level 48.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Axew is a bipedal, greenish-colored Pokémon with noticeable nostrils and pale tusks protruding from the sides of its mouth. The back of its head, tipped with dark grayish-green coloration, has a horn- or spike-like, pointed and tall protrusion. Axew also has dark grayish-green coloration rimming its eyes, which have red irises. A collar-like, forest-green patterning encircles its neck; most of its body is a dull grayish green. Axew's limbs and tail are small, with its forelimbs having three digits and its feet having two digits.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
An Axew's tusks can easily regenerate at a rapid rate when broken.

===Behavior===
With the use of their tusks, Axew mark their territory by putting gashes on trees and plants.

===Habitat===
Axew live in areas with plants. They also prefer to live in caves.

===Diet===
Axew's main diet consists of fruits and berries usually found on the trees by its habitat. It uses its tusks to crush berries before it eats them.

==In the anime==
[[File:Iris Axew.png|thumb|right|250px|Iris and her Axew]]
===Major appearances===
====Iris's Axew====
{{main|Iris's Axew}}
{{an|Iris}} owns an {{TP|Iris|Axew}}, which was introduced with her in ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''. She carries him with her, outside of a Poké Ball, in her hair. His major goal is to evolve into a mighty {{p|Haxorus}}.

====Other====

===Minor appearances===
Multiple Axew appeared in {{an|Iris}}'s flashback in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]''.


===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW002|Axew|Ash's Pokédex|Axew, the Tusk Pokémon. Axew marks its territory by making scratch marks on trees with its tusks, which regrow if they fall out.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Axew (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dragon
|gen=5
|blackdex=They use their tusks to crush the berries they eat. Repeated regrowth makes their tusks strong and sharp.
|whitedex=They mark their territory by leaving gashes in trees with their tusks. If a tusk breaks, a new one grows in quickly.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Uncommon|
bwarea=[[Mistralton Cave]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
HP=46|
Attack=87|
Defense=60|
SpAtk=30|
SpDef=40|
Speed=57}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Dual Chop|Dragon|Physical|40|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|24|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Guillotine|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|61|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|004|Charmander}}{{MSP|005|Charmeleon}}{{MSP|006|Charizard}}{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}} {{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}} {{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}} {{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Counter|Physical|Status|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|333|Swablu}}{{MSP|334|Altaria}}{{MSP|610|Axew}} {{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|259|Marshtomp}}{{MSP|260|Swampert}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|116|Horsea}} {{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|371|Bagon}}{{MSP|372|Shelgon}}{{MSP|373|Salamence}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}} {{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|633|Deino}}{{MSP|634|Zweilous}}{{MSP|635|Hydreigon}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|254|Sceptile}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|252|Treecko}}{{MSP|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP|254|Sceptile}} {{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|||*}}{{learnlist/breedf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Axew|Dragon|Dragon|5|5}}

====Special moves====
====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Iris's Axew|Iris's]] [[List_of_North_American_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2011#Iris's Axew|Axew]]|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|||1}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Axew|dragon|dragon|5|5}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=610
|name1=Axew
|type1-1=Dragon
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=611
|name2=Fraxure
|type1-2=Dragon
|evotype2=Level
|level2=48
|sprite3=612
|name3=Haxorus
|type1-3=Dragon
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=dragon |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Axew |
ndex=610
}}

==Trivia==
* Axew was first seen on [[a:File:BW anime.png|concept art]] from the {{series|Best Wishes}} along with {{p|Servine}}, {{p|Dewott}}, and {{p|Woobat}}.
* Axew is the only Pokémon with the ability {{a|Unnerve}} that is able to evolve twice.

===Origin===
Axew's tusks are similar in appearance to {{wp|Scutosaurus|Scutosaurid}}'s or possibly {{wp|Ceratopsia|Ceratopsid}}'s cheekbone tusks. Its crest may be based on a {{wp|Hadrosaurid|Hadrosaurid}}'s, more specifically {{wp|Saurolophus|Saurolophid}}'s, or possibly a {{wp|Corytophanidae|Corytophanid}}'s, possibly the {{wp|plumed basilisk}}'s.

====Name origin====
Axew is likely a combination of the words ''axe'' and ''chew'' or ''hew''. Kibago may be derived from 牙 ''kiba'' meaning tusk, and 顎 ''ago'' meaning jaw.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Dragon color dark}}; background: #{{Dragon color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Dragon color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Milza
| From ''{{tt|Milchzahn|milk tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Coupenotte
| From ''{{tt|couper|to cut}}'' and ''{{tt|quenotte|child's tooth}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 터검니 ''Teogeomni''
| From {{tt|턱 ''teog''|jaw}} and {{tt|엄니 ''eomni''|tusk}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 牙牙 ''Yá Yá''
| {{tt|牙 ''Yá''|tooth or ivory}} doubled.
|}
|-
|}
{{left clear}}


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Chandelure | next=Fraxure | prevnum=609 | nextnum=611 | type=Dragon }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Milza]]
[[es:Axew]]
[[fr:Coupenotte]]
[[it:Axew]]
[[ja:キバゴ]]
[[pl:Axew]]
[[pt:Kibago (pokémon)]]

Heatmor (Pokémon)

2011-07-11T00:59:18Z

Luxraychu: /* Special abilities */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Mandibuzz | next=Durant | prevnum=630 | nextnum=632 | type=Fire }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Heatmor |
jname=クイタラン |
tmname=Kuitaran |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc></sc> |
species=Anteater |
typen=1 |
type1=Fire |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Gluttony |
ability2=Flash Fire |
abilityd=White Smoke|
ndex=631 |
udex=137 |
height-ftin=4'08" |
height-m=1.4 |
weight-lbs=127.9 |
weight-kg=58 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field|
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20|
expyield=169 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=127 |
color=red |
catchrate=90|
evsa=2|
body=06 |
pokefordex=heatmor |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Heatmor''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''クイタラン''' ''Kuitaran'') is a {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Heatmor is a bipedal, anteater-like Pokémon. It has a beige face while the rest of its fur is red with yellow stripes. On its lower abdomen, back, and underside are raised, beige colored bands, leading to its tail. Its claws, on both its feet and hands, are a dull yellow and on its wrists are raised, dented bands; both the wrists and feet are beige-colored. Its tail is dented upward and has a hole in it, similar in appearance to a {{wp|muffler}}. It also seems to serve the same purpose as a muffler, being able to expel gases.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Heatmor can burn Durant's shells to eat them with its high-temperature tongue. They inhale through their tail while heatmor blazes with an internal fire.

===Behavior===

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
{{p|Durant}} are the popular prey of Heatmor. Its [[Pokédex]] entry states that it burns through Durant's steel bodies with its tongue and consume their insides.

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Heatmor (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Fire
|gen=5
|blackdex=It breathes through a hole in its tail while it burns with an internal fire. Durant is its prey.
|whitedex=Using their very hot, flame-covered tongues, they burn through Durant's steel bodies and consume their insides.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Fire|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Uncommon|
bwarea={{un|Victory Road}}|
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Base stats |
type=Fire |
HP=85 |
Attack=97 |
Defense=66 |
SpAtk=105 |
SpDef=66 |
Speed=65 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Fire|
type2=|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
flashfire=maybe|
newfire=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Heatmor|Fire|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Lick|Ghost|Physical|20|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Odor Sleuth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Fire Spin|Fire|Special|35|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|26|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Flame Burst|Fire|Special|70|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Stockpile|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Spit Up|Normal|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Swallow|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|61|Inferno|Fire|Special|100|50|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Heatmor|Fire|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Heatmor|Fire|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Heatmor|Fire|Fire|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Heatmor|Fire|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|363|Spheal}}{{MSP|364|Sealeo}}{{MSP|365|Walrein}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|215|Sneasel}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}} {{MSP|217|Ursaring}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}{{MSP|287|Slakoth}} {{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|327|Spinda}} {{MSP|351|Kecleon}}{{MSP|431|Glameow}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}{{MSP|570|Zorua}} {{MSP|571|Zoroark}}{{MSP|585|Deerling}}{{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|100|90|10||||'''|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|083|Farfetch'd}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|359|Absol}} {{MSP|434|Stunky}}{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|509|Purrloin}}{{MSP|510|Liepard}}{{MSP|571|Zoroark}}|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}} {{MSP|359|Absol}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|509|Purrloin}}{{MSP|510|Liepard}}{{MSP|522|Blitzle}} {{MSP|523|Zebstrika}}{{MSP|570|Zorua}}{{MSP|571|Zoroark}}{{MSP|587|Emolga}}{{MSP|626|Bouffalant}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|293|Whismur}}{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}} {{MSP|261|Poochyena}}{{MSP|262|Mightyena}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|352|Kecleon}}{{MSP|359|Absol}} {{MSP|431|Glameow}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}{{MSP|509|Purrloin}}{{MSP|510|Liepard}}|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|572|Minccino}}{{MSP|573|Cinccino}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}}{{MSP|497|Serperior}}|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|90|20||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Heatmor|Fire|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====

====Special moves====

====[[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]]-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=none
|sprite1=631
|name1=Heatmor
|type1-1=Fire}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=fire|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Heatmor|
ndex=631|
}}

==Trivia==
* Heatmor and {{p|Durant}} appear to be rivals.
** Unlike most Pokémon rivalries, Durant is at a severe disadvantage against Heatmor since it has a 4× weakness to Heatmor's type. However, this was probably done to reflect that anteaters eat ants.
* Heatmor, along with {{p|Torkoal}}, are the only non-legendary {{type2|Fire}} that have no evolutionary relatives.
** Coincidentally, both of them are the only Pokémon to have {{a|White Smoke}} as one of their abilities.

===Origin===
Heatmor seems to be based on an {{wp|anteater}}, featuring {{wp|flamethrower}} and an {{wp|ironworks}} into its design. components. Its wrists resemble {{wp|gun barrel}}s and its tail is similar to a car's {{wp|muffler}}.

====Name origin====
Heatmor is likely a pun on ''heat'' and "''eat more,''" as in "eat more {{p|Durant|ants}}" or heat and armor. Its name may also be derived from ''{{wp|mortar}}'', in reference to its typing and barrel-like arms.

Kuitaran seems to be a combination of the クイ ''kui'' "eater" of アリクイ ''arikui'' "anteater" and the word "anteater" with the elements reversed. It could also be a combination and reverse of nār, meaning fire in arabic.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Fire color dark}}; background: #{{Fire color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Fire color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Furnifraß
| From ''furnace'' and ''{{tt|Fraß|grub}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Aflamanoir
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 앤티골 ''Aentigol''
|
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Mandibuzz | next=Durant | prevnum=630 | nextnum=632 | type=Fire }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Furnifraß]]
[[es:Heatmor]]
[[fr:Aflamanoir]]
[[it:Heatmor]]
[[ja:クイタラン]]
[[pl:Heatmor]]

Reshiram (Pokémon)

2011-07-10T21:26:28Z

Luxraychu: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=dragon | type2=fire | prev=Thundurus | next=Zekrom | prevnum=642 | nextnum=644 }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Reshiram |
jname=レシラム |
tmname=Reshiram |
size=210px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|re-shi-ram}}}''</sc> |
species=Vast White |
typen=2 |
type1=Dragon|
type2=Fire|
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Turboblaze |
ndex=643 |
udex=149 |
height-ftin=10'06" |
height-m=3.2 |
weight-lbs=727.5 |
weight-kg=330.0 |
catchrate=45|
evsa=3|
gendercode=255|
eggcycles=120|
lv100exp=1,250,000|
egggroupn=1|
egggroup1=Undiscovered|
color=White|
eggcycles=120 |
expyield=306 |
body=09 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Reshiram''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''レシラム''' ''Reshiram'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Fire}} [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation V]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

Reshiram is the version mascot of [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black]], appearing on the boxart. It is also the first of the [[Tao trio]], which exists in the legends of the [[Unova]] region.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Reshiram is a white-colored, bipedal Pokémon of seemingly draconian and mammalian basis, with some of the avian features of feathers. Reshiram's snout is mammalian in appearance, most resembling something vulpine or even canine, or possibly even a goat. Streaming out from the upper side of the snout and outward from the head is a long, voluminous wispy mane, the top of which forms a spike or small head-crest of some sort. Reshiram's face is fringed with spiky features, with one small, pointed extension of it below the chin.

Reshiram's neck is long and slender, with a collar-esque protrusion of fur or feathers seeming held in place by two somewhat glass-like neck-bands, with similar bands present on the "wrists" of Reshiram's forelimbs. Reshiram's forelimbs are expansive, wing-like appendages or some unusual sort of wings themselves; the beginning portions of the limbs are slender and generally conventionally arm-like, but flare out into a more wing-like, feathered section farther on the limb, sporting four claws on the leading edge. On Reshiram's chest is a feathered feature most similar in shape to a [[Silver Wing]], with the lower portion protruding outward to a point. Long feathers spread out from Reshiram's thighs, its feet with large claws—three in front, and the one in the back positioned at an angle somewhat like high heels. Reshiram's tail is a thick mass of a center-most plume and ribbon-like secondary extensions, surrounded by two large bands. This tail faintly resembles a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_engine| jet engine]

====Gender differences====
Reshiram is a genderless species.

===Special abilities===
Reshiram has a jet engine-like tail used to accelerate itself when flying in high speeds. It can also store huge amounts of heat energy and unleashes it in one blast and its fire can burn everything into nothing. Reshiram is the only Pokémon that can learn {{m|Fusion Flare}} and {{m|Blue Flare}}, though {{p|Victini}} can learn the former if it's from an event.

===Behavior===
In a Unova myth about the twin heroes, as Reshiram sided with the older brother who sought truth, it firmly believes in truth.

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Reshiram Zekrom anime.png|250px|thumb|Reshiram and Zekrom in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Reshiram will appear in ''[[M14|Victini and the White Hero: Reshiram]]''. Along with {{p|Zekrom}}, Reshiram can speak through [[Talking Pokémon | telepathy]].

===Minor appearances===
Reshiram made a brief cameo in the opening of ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''. A statue of Reshiram appeared in {{an|Iris}}'s flashback in ''[[BW009|The Bloom Is on Axew!]]''.

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Reshiram (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|type2=fire
|gen=5
|blackdex=This Pokémon appears in legends. It sends flames into the air from its tail, burning up everything around it.
|whitedex=When Reshiram's tail flares, the heat energy moves the atmosphere and changes the world's weather.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dragon|
type2=fire|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=One|
bwarea=[[N's Castle]] [[Dragonspiral Tower]]{{tt|*|Only appears if both party and boxes are completely full upon encountering it at N's Castle}} |
gen5ex=black|
}}

====In side games====
====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=dragon|type2=fire}}
{{eventAvail|List of Japanese Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011#Satoshi Reshiram|Satoshi Reshiram|Japan {{color2|{{white color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|(White only)}}|2011|100}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=Dragon|type2=Fire
|event1=Dragon Gem|event1type=Gem|event1rar=100|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
type2=Fire|
HP=100|
Attack=120|
Defense=100|
SpAtk=150|
SpDef=120|
Speed=90}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type2=Fire |
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 25 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Fusion Flare|Fire|Special|100|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|54|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|78|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|92|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|100|Blue Flare|Fire|Special|130|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}

====Special moves====
====By {{pkmn|event}}====
{{learnlist/eventh|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Ash Ketchum|Satoshi]] [[List of Japanese Nintendo event Pokémon in 2011#Satoshi Reshiram|Reshiram]]|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|5}}

==={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves===

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=643
|name1=Reshiram
|type1-1=Dragon
|type2-1=Fire
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=Dragon|
type2=Fire|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Reshiram|
ndex=643|
}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Reshiram and Zekrom units 2010.png|250x|thumb|Reshiram and Zekrom at Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in 2010]]
* Reshiram was first revealed simultaneously alongside {{p|Zekrom}} on both the official English and Japanese Pokémon websites on May 28, 2010. This makes them the two the first Pokémon simultaneously revealed worldwide.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[Elemental type|type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Reshiram.
** Due to being a {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon as well, Reshiram is the only {{type|Fire}} Pokémon that is not weak to {{t|Water}}.
* Reshiram has the highest {{stat|Special Attack}} of all {{type|Fire}} Pokémon. Tied with {{p|Ho-Oh}}, Reshiram has the highest base stat total of all {{type|Fire}} Pokémon. Tied with {{p|Rayquaza}}, {{p|Palkia}}, {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Giratina}} and {{p|Zekrom}}, it has the highest base stat total of all {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon. Tied with {{p|Rayquaza}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Dialga}}, it has the highest Special Attack of all Dragon-type Pokémon.
* Reshiram is required to be caught in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black]] in order to progress on the story and battle [[N]]. [[Escape|Running away]] from it or defeating it will appear as if nothing happened; also, defeating it does not give any [[experience]] points. It and {{p|Zekrom}} are the only legendary Pokémon in the [[main series]] games that are required to be caught to progress the story. However, it does not have to be caught if the player has a full [[party]] and [[PC]]. Instead, it will later appear at [[Dragonspiral Tower]].
* Due to its ability, no combination of types and abilities is resistant to both types of Reshiram's [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] attacks.
* Reshiram, as well as {{p|Zekrom}}, made an appearance along side {{p|Pikachu}} and a [[Poké Ball]] in 2010's {{wp|Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade}}.
* Reshiram and its counterpart, {{p|Zekrom}}, are the only [[version mascot]]s to have more than one [[signature move]].

===Origin===
Reshiram and its counterpart {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}} in {{wp|Taoism}}, directly referenced by Reshiram's Japanese species: the White Yang Pokémon. According to [[Ken Sugimori]], Reshiram has a light, airy, ladylike design to contrast to Zekrom's tough and manly look. Its tail, the center point of its design, is based on an electric {{wp|turbine}}.<ref>[http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 Interview with Ken Sugimori and development team]</ref> Appearance wise, it resembles a mix of animals, including a bird, a {{wp|canid}} such as a fox or a wolf, and a {{wp|Wyvern}}. The crest on its head and its feathers resemble smoke trails as well as white fire, which can burn up to temperatures of 1,500 °C (2,730 °F). The mythology about how Zekrom and Reshiram came about, regarding two brothers infighting, also bears some similarities to {{wp|Cain and Abel}}.

====Name origin====
In an interview with the [[Official Nintendo Magazine]] UK (Issue 65), [[Ken Sugimori]] said that the "shira" in Reshiram's name was from the Japanese word for white, 白 ''shiro'', and the "Re" was used because it was a softer sound than Zekrom's "Ze", as Reshiram is a less physically powerful character.

==In other languages==
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|-
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{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{dragon color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Reshiram
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Reshiram
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 레시라무 ''Resiramu''
| Transliteration of Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| class="roundybl" | [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]
| 雷希拉姆 ''Léi Xī Lā Mǔ''
| class="roundybr" | Transliteration of Japanese name.
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | type=dragon | type2=fire | prev=Thundurus | next=Zekrom | prevnum=642 | nextnum=644 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Legendary Trio Pokémon]]
[[Category:Unova Legendary Pokémon]]
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User talk:Professor

2011-07-10T14:36:00Z

Luxraychu: /* Editing */ new section

Talk:Type/Archive 1

2011-07-04T22:52:16Z

Luxraychu: /* Move */

==The Bird & ??? types==

I added Bird and ??? type to the template. Although they are not really conventional types. I do think they should be included, maybe you should seperate them a little? I really can't get my head round metawiki's silly table formatting code. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 21:26, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree with including Bird, but the ??? I can concur with. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 21:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bird should probably be linked to in the [[Glitch]] article then. Can you take it out of the template? I'ld only screw it up. o_o - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 21:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying, and...well, screwing it up. XD

I think that the Bird type needs to come out of the table and for the ??? to go under the other special types so that the table is symmetrical. It's not really neccessary to make explicit reference to the Bird type in the table if its a type that isn't meant to appear in normal gameplay. Also, the ??? page doesn't exist and should it include the Missingno.s in RSE where they are repesented by the ? enclosed by a circle?

That's weird I had made the ??? page, look in my contributions. Looks like metaiwki doesn't like the question marks... - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 08:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

k then what does "The '''(type) type''' is one of the seventeen [[elemental types]]." need to be changed to? Nineteen, eighteen, or leave it? --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 10:11, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Methinks they need to be separated from the main 17 and listed separately... -- [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 10:33, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, the BIRD type has been removed - it only needs to be mentioned in maybe one of the game mechanics pages or in a missingno. article.

I think that the ??? isn't a type to itself - its more a lack of a type. So really ??? shouldn't be classed as a type because it has no defining features like pokemon to represent it, no type weaknesses and resistances and the Curse changes effect with types and does no damage at all.

Curse does indirect damage when used by Ghost-types. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:46, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Exactly, '''indirect''' damage. ??? has no effect other than display. Curse could be grass type and still do the exact same thing.
--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 01:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This is minor, but shouldn't the "normal" elements be listed as "physical" elements? Is not that the generally accepted term for the opposite of the special elements?--[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 06:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The ??? type DOES have a Pokémon to represent it.*cough*Arceus*cough*--[[User:Frostagin|Frostagin]] 18:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Several people here have expressed (to greater or lesser degrees) that they think there should only be said to be a total of 17 types as they believe the ???-type isn't really a type. However, this wiki should really be based more on the fact (as opposed to people's beliefs) and the fact is ??? appears in the type category for pokémon eggs in gen III. It also has a move and Arceus can technically turn into it. Does that not make it a type? What else does it really need?

Therefore, based on all the evidence before us I reckon the page should state there are 18 types to include ???. Does anyone have any problems with that??? [[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 00:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

:Meh, that was from practically a year ago, and it is one of my stupidest edits. And also, to future readers, please don't edit this conversation again, because bumps are bad.if a conversation is more than a month old, then adding would be a bump.Or so I've found through the site.[[User:Frostagin|Frost]][[User talk:Frostagin|agin]] 01:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

From the Pokemon Black and White page, "The ??? type has been removed, with Curse becoming a Ghost-type move," so shouldn't this be removed from the elemental types or put somewhere else like "Discontinued Type"? --[[User:ShawnFrost|ShawnFrost]] 04:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:In Pokémon XD, there is one damage dealing ???-type move (Weather Ball during a shadow sky), so it should still be a type. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 04:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Disambig? ==

Should this be moved to [[Elemental types (game)]], so that the main page can be converted into a disambig for the TCG one? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Even if you do that, it'd still be confusing because they're both games, persey . . . aren't types more often refered to as "Energy Types" in the TCG anyways? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they are. --Paperfairy [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 23:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Then should [[Elemental types (TCG)]] move to [[Energy types (TCG)]]? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say... just "Type (TCG)" seems good enough. That's all it's actually called, anyway. Well, that and "Color." I'd just go with "Type (TCG)." -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, most just call the GB types types... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Added a little known fact ==

Ah yes, it appears this fact I added is not very widely known, so I figured I'd post a little comment to let everyone know I'm not making this up. ^__^

I was randomly paging through my Pokemon Gold/Silver Player's Guide: the official one released by Nintendo, it has this really cool drawing of Lugia and Ho-oh on the cover and- I digress. Anyway, on the last page it features the type chart, with next to it some explanation about attack damage multipliers. Among the obvious ones about effectiveness of the types, it also mentioned "Damage x 1.5 when the attack type is the same type as the Pokemon that's using it".

Since this is the official guide, I do assume this is indeed a confirmed fact for the Gold and Silver series; it'll likely also work in Crystal. I proceeded to test said finding in Ruby and Fire Red and found that it applied there too. For reference, in Ruby I used the example stated in the paragraph I added with the Aron. In Fire Red I used an Ekans with the Poison Sting and Wrap attacks.

Still requiring confirmation:
Japanese versions of the games
Original Red/Blue series
New Diamond and Pearl editions
Spinoffs such as Mystery Dungeon

I'll leave that spot of research to the real Pokémaniacs. (read: I'll leave checking this to the ones who DO own and/or can afford said games. ^__^;; )

--[[User:Democalypse|Democalypse]] 18:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Items such as Metal Coat and Charcoal now boost moves of their designated type by 20%, an increase from the previous 10%. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

That Damage x 1.5 thing is known among the fandom as [[STAB]], Same-Type Attack Bonus. If it wasn't in there already... I dunno why not.

And the Hold Item boost thing's now 20%? Is that as of DP? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I remembered that term for it just now, thanks for editing it into the text. ^__^ Haven't come across it a lot though; because of that I was mistaken into thinking it was a less known feature. =S My apologies for the sillyness. ^^;

--[[User:Democalypse|Democalypse]] 23:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's cool. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, as of D/P the type-specific items boost 20% instead of 10%. Makes them somewhat worthwhile on heavey hitters. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 14:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Singular over plural? ==

We do it with [[Plate]] and others, why's this still plural? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
:Year-and-a-half-old bump. Any reason not to move it? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== A possible idea for dual types ==

Instead of making seperate lists for "Primary (type)-type Pokémon" and "Secondary (type)-type Pokémon", how about we have just one list? For example, with Normal, it'd be like this:

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|016
|[[Image:016MS.png]]
|{{p|Pidgey}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|017
|[[Image:017MS.png]]
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|018
|[[Image:018MS.png]]
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|021
|[[Image:021MS.png]]
|{{p|Spearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|022
|[[Image:022MS.png]]
|{{p|Fearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|083
|[[Image:083MS.png]]
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|084
|[[Image:084MS.png]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|085
|[[Image:085MS.png]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|163
|[[Image:163MS.png]]
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|164
|[[Image:164MS.png]]
|{{p|Noctowl}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|176
|[[Image:176MS.png]]
|{{p|Togetic}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|203
|[[Image:203MS.png]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|276
|[[Image:276MS.png]]
|{{p|Taillow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|277
|[[Image:277MS.png]]
|{{p|Swellow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|333
|[[Image:333MS.png]]
|{{p|Swablu}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|396
|[[Image:396MS.png]]
|{{p|Starly}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|397
|[[Image:397MS.png]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|398
|[[Image:398MS.png]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|400
|[[Image:400MS.png]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|441
|[[Image:441MS.png]]
|{{p|Chatot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|468
|[[Image:468MS.png]]
|{{p|Togekiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}

Currently, it's like this:

''Primary Normal-type Pokémon''

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|016
|[[Image:016MS.png]]
|{{p|Pidgey}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|017
|[[Image:017MS.png]]
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|018
|[[Image:018MS.png]]
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|021
|[[Image:021MS.png]]
|{{p|Spearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|022
|[[Image:022MS.png]]
|{{p|Fearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|083
|[[Image:083MS.png]]
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|084
|[[Image:084MS.png]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|085
|[[Image:085MS.png]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|163
|[[Image:163MS.png]]
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|164
|[[Image:164MS.png]]
|{{p|Noctowl}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|176
|[[Image:176MS.png]]
|{{p|Togetic}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|203
|[[Image:203MS.png]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|276
|[[Image:276MS.png]]
|{{p|Taillow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|277
|[[Image:277MS.png]]
|{{p|Swellow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|333
|[[Image:333MS.png]]
|{{p|Swablu}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|396
|[[Image:396MS.png]]
|{{p|Starly}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|397
|[[Image:397MS.png]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|398
|[[Image:398MS.png]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|400
|[[Image:400MS.png]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|441
|[[Image:441MS.png]]
|{{p|Chatot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|468
|[[Image:468MS.png]]
|{{p|Togekiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}

''Secondary Normal-type Pokémon''

None.

We could also adjust it for the types that ''do'' have secondary Pokémon of that type. For example, it'd be like this for Fighting:

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|062
|[[Image:062MS.png]]
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|214
|[[Image:214MS.png]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|256
|[[Image:256MS.png]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|257
|[[Image:257MS.png]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|286
|[[Image:286MS.png]]
|{{p|Breloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|307
|[[Image:307MS.png]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|308
|[[Image:308MS.png]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|391
|[[Image:391MS.png]]
|{{p|Monferno}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|392
|[[Image:392MS.png]]
|{{p|Infernape}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|448
|[[Image:448MS.png]]
|{{p|Lucario}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|453
|[[Image:453MS.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|[[Image:454MS.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|475
|[[Image:475MS.png]]
|{{p|Gallade}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|}

Currently, it's like this:

''Primary Fighting-type Pokémon''
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|307
|[[Image:307MS.png]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|308
|[[Image:308MS.png]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|448
|[[Image:448MS.png]]
|{{p|Lucario}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|}

''Secondary Fighting-type Pokémon''
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|062
|[[Image:062MS.png]]
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|214
|[[Image:214MS.png]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|256
|[[Image:256MS.png]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|257
|[[Image:257MS.png]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|286
|[[Image:286MS.png]]
|{{p|Breloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|391
|[[Image:391MS.png]]
|{{p|Monferno}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|392
|[[Image:392MS.png]]
|{{p|Infernape}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|453
|[[Image:453MS.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|[[Image:454MS.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|475
|[[Image:475MS.png]]
|{{p|Gallade}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|}

I think my version is much better, because it saves us the time of making 2 lists for dual types, while still allowing people to see the primaries and secondaries. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 22:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:If there are no oppositions by tomorrow, I'll apply this new format to the type pages. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::See, you say this'll "save us the time of making two tables," but the tables are made. Doing this will only take more time.
::At any rate, I can't see any real advantage to doing it... why do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Because it saves ''the reader'' the time of ''looking at'' two tables for dual types. We can easily fit all the information into one. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Indeed. And also saves time for adding new Pokémon for the next Gen. And unless there's any actual difference between being Primary- and Secondary-typed, I vote for merging. Heck, ''I'' would gladly do that! =D -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 22:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Stat averages ==

I was thinking we should list the stat averages of not only all Pokémon of the type, but also all fully evolved Pokémon of the type. Does anyone else think we should do this?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giga Hand|Giga Hand]] ([[User talk:Giga Hand|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giga Hand|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Actually, that's a good idea. Care to calculate this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Secondary/Primary ==

I think it deserves its own section: is there any actual difference, game-wise, if the Pokémon is primary-typed or secondary-typed? I fail to see any... -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 22:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:We at Poképédia are actually discussing on that matter on the IRC-chan : what's the big difference between Lapras being Water-Ice and Spheal being Ice-Water ? Did Game Freak put the types "randomly" (wich I doubt, as we could almost rename these guys "Stats-Freaks" considering their evergrowing work on the series...) ? If anyone could bring some answer to that deep mystery, it would greatly be appreciated --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 23:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::The order matters for the data, as in, it's ''wrong'' to call Lapras an Ice/Water Pokémon, but there's no difference in STAB or weaknesses as far as I've seen. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== 2 things ==

1.) This page is starting to look like a project's talk page. Would it be a bad idea to make a Bulbapedia project on the elemental types?

2.) Do we have pages for each type that list all the moves of that type. If we don't, it would be a good idea to start that.

--[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 16:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Nvm about #2. He he --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 21:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it would be. There are 17 articles to cover, not including the glitch articles which are covered by GlitchDex anyway. There is no need for a project with such small a scope. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Non-damaging moves ==

Is it REALLY necessary to have a cat that states it's Status? I mean, they're all the same... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean {{cat|Status moves|this}}? We have {{cat|Physical moves|this}} and {{cat|Special moves|this}}, so it makes sense to have one for status moves. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry. I didn't mean category. I mean column. Under the Status section of a move type such as [[Flying (type)#Moves|this]] under the non-damaging moves section, there is a list of moves that have the status category. Isn't that implied that these moves are of the Status category? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hrm. Yeah, it would be. I like having them separated; it makes searching easier. I wouldn't be opposed to mashing them together, though, or perhaps doing three subsections for each category. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Index numbers ==

What are the index numbers for the types?--[[User:Stuart P. Bentley|Stuart P. Bentley]] 19:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:In the order they are on the template, as far as I know. Go down the first column, the down the second. Don't count ???, I think that's last. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

== All the Combinations ==

This is mostly for reference in this talk page, and doesn't directly assist the actual page, but it is important information nevertheless.

Eventually we are going to get close to having every type combination covered. So, here's some information.

With the current amount types, there is a total of 272 + 17 different type combinations (counting Ground/Dragon Flygon and Dragon/Ground Garchomp as separate). If we are to ignore these duplications, there is only 136 + 17.

I won't list them all here (for sake of space!) but I think this is important. Do we have a page with all the possible type combinations yet?

BTW - The math used for this kind of thing is called a permutation. -- [[user:Pokémaniac John|PokémaniacJohn]] [[user talk:Pokémaniac John|(talk)]] 21:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:I like this, so I added it to the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of type match-ups ==

"Why are Bug-type moves super-effective towards Psychic-types?"
"Why is it that Steel-type moves don't do as much against Water-types?"

I'm sure many, many people wonder this. As a Wikia, it's our job to educate the public, so I think that each type-page should have its section of why its match-ups are what it is. I'd imagine it'd work nicely being set up like this in the Grass-type page:

==Type Match-up Origins==
===Offensive===
====Super-effective====
*''Plants'' often spread their root system throughout the ''ground''.
*In some cases, ''weeds'' will be able to grow through the thin layers of concrete or ''stones'', despite their density. Moss is also commonly found on rocks, completely covering them up.
*''Grass'' is known to absorb large amounts of ''rainwater'' and manage to stay healthy. To add, water is actually needed in the process of photosynthesis, and some plants can even live underwater.

====Not very effective====
*Very few ''plants'' manage to prey on ''insects'' or hinder the mobility of bugs, due to their habits of eating plants.
*Certain ''reptilian'' animals aren't at disadvantages when in their respective ''plant-filled'' environments.
**[[Dragon-type]]s are often considered to be reptilian in nature.
*Since ''plants'' create oxygen, ''flames'' are only stronger when around grassy and forest areas.
*Aside from several poisonous ''plants'', no known type of plant can actually hurt ''birds''. To add, birds often make nests inside of trees or on their branches.
**Birds are usually associated with [[Flying-type]]s.
*''Trees'' cannot be planted too close to eachother, or else their roots will absorb too much of the liquid in the ground, and therefore wilt.
**Explanation of why Grass-type moves are not very effective towards Grass-types.
*''Plant-life'' not not often found in ''noxious'' environments.
*Regardless of the strength of the ''plant'', roots cannot penetrate plates of ''steel''.

===Defensive===
====Resistances====
*''Wood'' is known to be nonconducting to ''electricity''.
*''Plants'' cannot move on their own, and therefore cannot attack other ''plants''.
**Explanation as to why Grass-types resist Grass-type attacks.
*Regardless if the ''ground'' is wet or dry, or hard or soft, ''plant-life'' can always grow if in the right climate conditions.
*''Rain'', if not acidic and in average amounts, cannot kill fields of grass.

====Weaknesses====
*''Insects'' often eat ''leaves'' and other plants in their diets.
*''Fire'' is stronger when provided with oxygen, which is exactly what ''flowers'' provide.
*''Birds'', such as crows, will often attack farm ''crops'' for food, often destroying said crops.
*''Cold'' environments are often unsuitable for ''plants'' to grow. Flowers will wilt and trees will lose their leaves in Winter.
*''Pesticides'', weed-killers, and other toxins, will poison and kill ''plants'' if not used in a proper manner.
:We aren't a Wikia. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::Well, even then, the Bublapedia name suggests the same thing, though. [[User:Frushil!|Frushil!]] 03:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't really get what you're trying to say. Anyway, it's all speculation, so no, that is not getting added to any articles. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::::One can just as easily say that the origin and name origin sections of Pokemon articles are speculation as well. There is reason behind many of the type match ups, so it should be added, even if it's just to cover a few of the match-up reasonings.

Of course, you having more authority than me, I accept your decision knowing that my opinion doesn't make much of a difference anyway. [[User:Frushil!|Frushil!]] 03:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Difference between Primary and Secondary types ==

I'm not 100% sure about what I'm about to say because I haven't confirmed it with the whole Pokémon list, but I'm bringing it here so others may comment.

I believe the only difference between Primary and Secondary types is mostly due to the basics of the Pokémon in question: Primary type is what it will always be, while Secondary type may change.

Example: Surskit is a Bug/Water type. It will always be a Bug, even after evolution, but as it evolves it's Secondary type no longer applies.

This would also explain why Flying types are always secondary, as they are only "flying" when in flight. Otherwise, when on land, they are simply what their Primary-type defines (Pidgeys are Normal, Zapdos is Electric, and so on).

I believe the games assume Flying-type Pokémon are always airborne when in battle, but it would be interesting to see if, in future generations, they add the option to tell a flying Pokémon to land, hence "losing" its Flying-type temporarily (for strategic reasons).

Anyway, this is just a theory. If I missed any evidence of it being otherwise, let me know :)

EDIT: Actually, I just noticed that there ARE some exceptions, where it's the Primary-type that changes in evolution, but so far that only seems to happen when you use an unusual form of evolution (like Onix losing its Rock-type into Steel-type when trading it with a particular item). This seems to hint that both types can change, but the Primary-type refers to the nature of the Pokémon (harder to change), while the Secondary-type is mostly a complementary part of its existence.

[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 12:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, all of that is speculation, which means it doesn't belong on the wiki. You could bring it up on the forums, however. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Type Ordering ==

Can someone please explain why the types are listed in this order:

Normal
Fighting
Flying
Poison
Ground
Rock
Bug
Ghost
Steel
Fire
Water
Electric
Psychic
Ice
Dragon
Dark

The ordering is messed up & completely wrong, the ordering used in the manual of Red/Blue, & the Diamond/Pearl Poketch type matchup application, & probably other official sources is this:

Normal
Fire
Water
Electric
Grass
Ice
Fighting
Poison
Ground
Flying
Psychic
Bug
Rock
Ghost
Dragon
Dark
Steel

Since this is the official ordering, should this not be the order Bulbapedia uses? If it is due to the former Physical/Special split then it really needs to be changed as it is 4 years out of date. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Go into the Pokédex in any Gen IV game and search by type. The list of selections comes up in the following order:
:#Normal
:#Fighting
:#Flying
:#Poison
:#Ground
:#Rock
:#Bug
:#Ghost
:#Steel
:#Fire
:#Water
:#Grass
:#Electric
:#Psychic
:#Ice
:#Dragon
:#Dark
:As you can see, GameFreak themselves have maintained the prior ordering in the generation four games, so Bulbapedia did the same. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:59, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::My fail, I have just checked the Pokedex in Gen II, III & IV, & while the Gen II order is the Normal Fire etc, the Gen III/IV order is Normal Fighting etc. Odd that they would use the new order for the Dex & the old one for the Poketch. I have not checked the Gen V Dex however. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Any others? ==

I was just curious, are there any other types, that if mixed together into a duel-typed Pokémon together, would be like Dark/Ghost types in terms of resistance. If so, is it worth noting? --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 22:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Not with types alone. However {{p|Shibirudon|a pure electric type with Levitate}} would also have no weaknesses. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Castform's Forms ==

Shouldn't they be listed too? {{tt|We list every other differently-typed form|It doesent matter that they are not permanent forms}}. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 18:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Move ==

I don't see why this page is at [[elemental type]]. I have never heard it called this by any official source. I have always heard it called simply "type", or in the [[Official Pokémon Handbook]] (which is Generation I, and all subsequent Official Pokémon Handbooks use "type"), "element". I do hope that this is not the reason for the page title, since Generation I can't really be trusted for official terms anymore (Clefaries anyone?). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. Hardly any sources use ''element'' or ''elemental type''. [[User:Blastoiseboy19|Blastoiseboy19]][[User talk:Blastoiseboy19|(Talk)]] was here at 19:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::I've wondered about this as well..... [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Nice catch, Snorlax - I have never heard it referred even as element. I have to say that "elemental type" seems like a general term for this kind of thing (for games in general), and was probably titled with that in mind, maybe. I vote that it ''should'' be moved/redirected to "Type". [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 06:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:::: I vote that it not be moved. Type used to refer to species, and still is in some cases. Type can also refer to contest stats and other things.[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 05:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::In ''[[EP097|Tracey Gets Bugged]]'', Tracey says "Murcott Island is famous for having tons of Bug '''element''' Pokémon". So it has been mentioned officially somewhat in the anime at least. And I believe it has been mentioned somewhere before in the games but I have no evidence of it. Just that. But then again, the word was being use as a replacement for the word type. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Oh wait... Just read that you don't want to count Generation I as valid anymore. Never mind then. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::I don't normally contribute to this kind of discussion, but I would like to show my support for this move. While 'element' is used in some forms of media (e.g. the animé example given above), 'Type' is the official wording used across all Pokémon canon. --[[User:Tehb0ll0x|Tehb0ll0x]] 16:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I support this move-it makes more sense to call it just simply "type"[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 22:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)