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Talk:Pokémon Storage System

2014-03-23T17:15:48Z

Legionaireb: /* Other-language pokemon */ new section

==Wallpaper==
The Wallpaper section here states that additional wallpaper can be unlocked by matching one number at the Pokémon Lottery. I thought the type of wallpaper unlocked there was for the dress-up room at Jubilife TV, not the Storage System. Or are wallpapers unlocked for both through the lottery? [[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 14:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:No, that is just contest backgrounds. Section removed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
==Hajime = [[Poke Dude]]?==
-shrug- They look so much alike. Maybe he's the same person? [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 17:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Storage System ==

In the Japanese Red/Green Versions, there are only 8 boxes, but each can hold 30 Pokémon (hnlike the American Red/Blue, where there are 12 boxes, and each can hold 20 Pokémon). [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 20:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== A Primo Question ==

If the game's method of processing the phrases for Primo is unknown, how was it possible to creat a working phrase generater?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Black/White Additional Wallpapers ==

Does anyone know how the last 4 additional wallpapers are unlocked in Black/White ----[[User:FLAMER|Flamer]] ''([[User talk:FLAMER|talk]])'' 14:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== FireRed+LeafGreen ==

How many boxes are in FireRed and LeafGreen? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 15:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

There are 14 (420 spaces), just like it says in the article. [[User:Nepse|Nepse]] ([[User talk:Nepse|talk]]) 15:33, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

:My problem was just that it doesn't say the box number in the FireRed and LeafGreen part, though I now understand that it just hadn't changed amount of boxes from Ruby and Sapphire. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 01:43, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

== High Resolution Wallpapers ==

Does anyone have high resolution rips of the box wallpapers from Black / White and Black 2 / White 2? I would like them for a programming project. [[User:codemonkey85|codemonkey85]] 15:30, 04 May 2013 (EST)

== Someone's PC ==

I have always wondered, but I haven't been sure how to phrase the question. What's the deal about all the fuzz surrounding the developer of the storage system? Why "Someone's PC" before you meet the developer? It's not as if it's made into a ''major'' plot point in the games, it's usually just "oh, so you're the one who made the storage system. Cool, I suppose." [[User:Konaya|Konaya]] ([[User talk:Konaya|talk]]) 18:28, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

== Markings and IVs ==

Should it be mentioned that markings are also used to mark stats with a good IV? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

== Other-language pokemon ==

In X and Y, pokemon in your storage boxes are now marked if they came from different-language versions of the game (I can personally attest to both Japanese and Spanish in my copy). The notification appears next to the pokemon's level on the box screen and above their pokedex number on the Stat screen. I believe that this is worth noting on this page, or, if not here, than on some other appropriate page.

On a related note, does anyone else who has seen this know if regional identifiers like this persist when a pokemon is sent from a previous generation (I.E.-will the Stantler I got off the Global Link from a spanish guy in 5th gen be marked as Spanish when I trade it through the Pokemon Transporter)? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 17:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Professor Westwood V

2014-03-22T01:33:25Z

Legionaireb: /* Trivia */ new section

== Trivia ==

Is it worth mentioning that Prof. Westwood resembles Professor Ochanomizu from Astro Boy? I bring it up because the resemblance between Mewtwo's creator and Dr. Tenma from Astro Boy is mentioned on his page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 01:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon language

2014-03-21T22:33:12Z

Legionaireb: /* Bianca and Latias */ new section

I would love if someone could further update this article with reference from the manga, as I am highly unfamiliar with it. I'm sure there has to be a few examples that could be included in this. Thanks! --[[User:BaileyPlaysPokemon|BaileyPlaysPokemon]] 05:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. I've only read a little bit of the manga, so I wouldn't be able to do it, but that does sound like a good idea. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 06:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
::It depends on which manga you want to take examples from. I've read parts of the ''The Electric Tale of Pikachu'' manga, but I haven't read the other series. I could peruse the chapters that I have, and see if I can find any examples from those. Would that work as a starting point? --[[User:Punkreader|Punkreader]] 07:10, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I read the English-language version of Pokémon Adventure, and have access to the Korean-language version. I'll thus keep this all in mind and in turn try to add what I can about Pokémon language as seen in the manga to the article when I can, OK? -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 01:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== Written language ==

Are there any pokémon who can read or write in the human language? A point that could possibly be added to the article. [[User:SomeGuyNamedDavid|SomeGuyNamedDavid]] 03:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:If I recall, Jynx's Pokédex entry states it can understand, or almost speak the human language. Probably some can read. Dunno if you solely were referring to the games, but {{MTR}} can read and speak, and probably write. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::Wow, rapid response. Anyway, I had meant in general, since the article references the games and the anime separately. I'm thinking that examples of it could be added to this article. (Jynx's entry says that it speaks a language similar to the human language, but nothing about any written language.) {{unsigned|SomeGuyNamedDavid}}

== Zoroark in Lostlorn Forest. (B2W2) ==

The article states:
''"There are a few Pokémon that are able to speak the human language, such as Copycat's Doduo in FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, and a Murkrow who appeared in the Team Rocket HQ, in the Generation II games and their Generation IV remakes. However, there has not been a Pokémon to this point which has had a fluent conversation with a human, if it does, the speech has been limited to only one or two sentences."''

Such a Pokémon has been already introduced in Black/White 2, coming in shape of the Zoroark encountered in Lostlorn Forest (the same one who hands over TM95), which initially disguises as a male Backpacker, and in this state, holds a fluent conversation with the player.

[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] ([[User talk:Renoir|talk]]) 19:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

== Attacks in the Games ==

Quote: ''While it is commonly assumed that the player tells the Pokémon which move to use, there is no actual point to confirm this, as each time the player's Pokémon attacks, the game simply states, "<Pokémon> used <move>," thus never directly stating that the player has given the command and the Pokémon followed suit. However, there have been a few specific examples of other Trainers commanding their Pokémon, such as Lance telling his Dragonite to use Hyper Beam on a Team Rocket Grunt in the Generation II games and their remakes.''

That is complete nonsense. Of course the player is telling his Pokémon what attack it shall use, otherwise a trainer could not become a Pokémon Master, because he wouldn't do anything except standing around and watching his Pokémon to fight by itself. In the games one is controlling the protagonist (e. g. when you're running around on the map), not a Pokémon (you are catching Pokémon, fighting with them, but you ARE no Pokémon); you are just ordering your Pokémon to attack with its specific moves and normally it obeys. In the games many people states that Pokémon are obeying their trainers, so it is obvious that you are giving the command to your Pokémon to use an attack. If an attack would be the Pokémon's decision, nobody would say that the Pokémon's listen to you.

Also, if you trade a Pokémon and haven't got enough badges yet, your new Pokémon isn't obeying you. You command your Pokémon "Tackle" and it is using "Growl" instead, or it starts to sleep. If you would control the Pokémon and not the trainer, then it would not be possible that a Pokémon is using ANOTHER move than you commanded. And last but not least, in all official Pokémon books about the games—and even in those small booklets in a newly brought Pokémon version, it is stated that YOU are ordering your Pokémon a move.

I'm sorry for my bad English. But the quote has to be changed. There's no doubt that you're commanding your Pokémon the next move.--[[User:LaBumm|LaBumm]] ([[User talk:LaBumm|talk]]) 04:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:It's possible that the player is commanding their Pokemon based on some kind of complex body language or sign language or something. However, I agree that this is definitely not what we're intended to assume, so I have changed that paragraph accordingly. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
::Also, at least in Conquest, Warriors and Warlords ''do'' tell Pokémon to use its attack. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 07:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

== Bianca and Latias ==

Can anyone confirm for certain that Latias ever actually speaks when in Bianca's form? I don't ever remember 'Bianca' speaking when it wasn't for certain actually Bianca. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 22:33, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Effort values

2014-02-24T07:53:26Z

Legionaireb: /* Trades and Stat Calculation */ new section

== 252 vs floor(255/4) ==
Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Chart of EV yields ==
Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Lv 100 ==
Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T {{unsigned|Mr T Tar}}

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
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2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'm confused as to what happens in that situation. If the Pokemon has 99 EVs and you give it a vitamin, will it only gain 1 EV so that it hits 100, or will it raise the EVs to 109? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 07:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true? {{unsigned|Dansiman}}
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that thing you read was true. After all, many Pokémon are recieved in places where there are no wild Pokémon, such as starter pokémon, and you can't battle in the Safari Zone, and if a Pokémon is traded, say, from Diamond to Soul Silver, then you couldn't do train on the route either.
Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)? {{unsigned|J-J-M}}
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

***Hi everyone! I have some questions.

1. Say you have a level 90 Charmeleon and you EV Train it with Spinda (1 EV SP ATK). I have to fight it 252 times (without any pokerus or macho brace) to gain 252 SP ATK EV's (=63 SP ATK STAT PTS), right? Now, if you have a level 90 pokemon fighting against level 14-17Spinda, you can have 252 battles without leveling up, right? My question is, if I have defeated 252 Spindas and not level up and use 10 rare candies to reach level 100 after that, will all those accumulated EV's count?

2. If you have maxed out your pokemon's 510 EV's, what happens to the EV's you gain by fighting other pokemon? Is there some kind of prioritizing EV's for a certain stat?

[[User:Iamcharmeleon|Iamcharmeleon]] ([[User talk:Iamcharmeleon|talk]]) 09:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)IAMCHARMELEON

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Although you may be able to raise your stats back using stat-enhancing drinks, which are the opposite of stat reducing berries.[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question that isn't answered here: Is it possible to check to see how many EVs your Pokemon has in specific stat? I know that there's a guy in the Platinum Battle Tower that will let you know their IVs, but is there something like that for EVs to? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 12:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, if you know your exact IVs, it's possible to calculate your EVs, but otherwise, no. Generally, if you're training for a particular number of EVs, you keep track of it in a notepad or something. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I never bothered with EVs or IVs till now, so I didn't keep track. So what's the formula to calculate the EVs then? Also, does the formula calculate the EVs exactly, or is it just an approximate amount? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 15:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::::I don't know the formula, so I wouldn't know how exact it would be. You can probably get an aproximate however by going into a Wi-Fi battle and setting levels to 100 (if you don't already have your Pokémon at level 100), than compare the stats to the stats listed on that Pokémon's species page.
::::For example, if I checked my Weavile at level 100 and its Attack stat was at 350, I could compare that to the [[Weavile (Pokémon)#Base stats|base stats]] at level 100 and figure that my Attack EV was somewhere close to maxed-out (since the highest you can get with EVs and IVs combined would be 372 on a Weavile).
::::It's a rough aproxximation, but it'll give you a good idea where you're at.
::::Generally, if you really want to get serious with EV training, you'll want to start fresh with a newly-caught/newly-hatched Pokémon. I've not tried it, but I believe you could also use berries that reduce EVs to "reset" your Pokémon back to 0, as well (not sure on the details of that, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 21:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

:It depends on whether the IV is even or odd, if it's odd you need 252 to max the stat, if even only 248. Any other level and you would have to consider the whole IV and the Base stat too, but the EV needed for max stat will always be a multiple of 4. I know that this conversation is almost a year old, but having an accurate answer is important. --[[User:Sp unit 262|sp unit 262]] 04:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== EV distribution if multiple pokemon are used ==

So only the pokemon that lands the finishing blow gets the EVs? Or do all the pokemon that were exposed in the battle get EVs? --[[User talk:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 11:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon that gained EXP, as a result of the defending Pokémon being defeated, gets EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

::So if i knock out a Paras by sending out Heracross, switching to Scyther and knocking it out with wing attack, they both get 1 attack EV? So both get the full effect? What if the opponent gives two or there EVs?[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 01:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::All Pokémon who received experience recieve the full amount of EVs. Evs are not divided, unlike experience. --[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 16:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Is this the same in Generation I/II, i.e. for stat exp? Also can we add this to the article somewhere? [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 14:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Confused about Effort Values and Effort Points ==

In the first paragraph under Generation III, it begins by describing the new effort points, but the example uses effort values:

:Generation III completely overhauls the effort value structure. Defeated Pokémon give out 1, 2 or 3 ''effort points'' to a particular stat, depending on species (see list of Pokémon by effort value yield). However, in battles that do not give any experience (such as in the Battle Tower or if the Pokémon is level 100), Pokémon will not gain any ''EVs.'' At level 100, a Pokémon's stats will be one point higher in a specific stat for every four effort points gained in that stat.

The way that I read the second sentence, no pokémon at any level from Generation 3 on would earn effort values since they were replaced by effort points. If effort points and effort values are the same thing, using both terms is confusing. If effort points are converted into effort values, that should be stated with the conversion rate.

If a level 100 pokémon cannot gain any experience from battle, how would it be getting effort points or a stat increase at all?

One more thing: Does the mew in the Generation 1 example grant 100 (points) to each effort value or 100 effort values to each stat? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 21:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:From how I see it, defeating one Mew in Generation I grants 100 points to each effort value. My interpretation of the article is that an "effort point" or "effort value point" refers to stat exp. that has been gained, and "effort value" is the total amount of effort points that has been "collected" in a particular stat. For example, a Pokémon that defeats a Mew will gain 100 effort points in each stat, and its effort values for each stat will therefore increase by 100. However, it looks like many people often say "effort values" when they really mean "effort points", which is extremely confusing. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::So you would wind up with effort points ''and'' effort values? Oh, the effort value is in increments of effort points. It’s like having a hundred dollars in one-dollar bills. You have 100 dollar bills which is 100 dollars. But who ever says they have a hundred dollar bills in their account? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 02:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::Also, whoever says they received 100 dollar bills? By the way, nowhere on Bulbapedia is the relationship of effort points to effort values given, or even a definition. [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 10:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

:::One Effort Value = One Effort Point. The names were changed starting with Generation III it appears (from Value to Point), but the EV term is still the most commonly used.
:::The article needs a bit of a re-write to clarify this; some editors have written it as Points, while others have written it as Values, which is why the current article is a little convoluted on that particular regard. I'll need to research a bit as to which name is the current "official" term. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know about what these things were "officially" called in Generation III. However, in Diamond and Pearl:
::::*The description for vitamins mention '''"base" stat'''. For example, the HP Up's description says, ''"... It raises the '''base HP''' of a single Pokémon."'' Using it on a Pokémon will say something like, ''"FEEBAS's '''base HP''' rose!"''
::::*The description for EV-reducing berries also say '''"base" stat'''. For example, the Pomeg Berry's description says, ''"... Using it on a Pokémon makes it more friendly, but it also lowers its '''base HP'''."'' Using it on a Pokémon will say something like, ''"However, its '''base HP''' fell!"'', ''"Its '''base HP''' fell!"'', or ''"Its '''base HP''' can't go lower."''
::::Similar wording occurs with the other vitamins and EV-reducing berries as well. Of course, the items I mentioned actually modify the EVs, and not what we (on Pokémon fan sites) would call "base stats". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::::*Does the 100 effort values to all stats when defeating a mew apply only to generation 1, or does it apply to generation II as well?(Forger03 at 10:33pm on February 03, 2010)
:::::That should be valid for both Generation I and Generation II. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== EV Gain at Level 100 ==

It might be worth mentioning that while you can't EV train at level 100, you can use vitamins. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 10:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== A Few Questions... ==

Having read through the whole talk page, there are a few things I'm still not entirely clear on.

Firstly, does the level at which a Pokémon gains it's EVs matter? For instance, if I were to train a certain Pokémon to have 252 HP EVs at level 40, and then do the same with an identical Pokémon at level 70 and then raise both up to level 100 will the ultimate result be that both Pokémon have the same maxed HP stat?

Secondly, Is it smarter to maximize two selected stats of a Pokémon, or to spread the EVs around evenly? Example: Gengar has naturally high Speed and Special Attack stats, so, would this Pokémon be most competitive if it had 252 EVs in each of these stats? or would that just make it less flexible in battle?

Thirdly, I read somewhere on this page that "All Pokémon that gain EXP from defeating another Pokémon will get EVs." Does this include EXP gained through the use of an EXP. Share? If so, do the EVs get divided among the Pokémon in the same manner as the EXP? Or does each Pokémon that gained EXP from a battle then gain the full EV yield?

I apologise if any of these questions have already been answered and I simply missed them... ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 06:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

#Level won't matter, so long as it's not at level 100 when it gains the EVs (so it still has level-ups left to receive the bonuses). At level 100, both of your examples would have the same stats (not counting any differences in [[nature]] or [[IVs]]).
#This depends, but generally speaking, you'll focus on two main stats. There are some instances where you'll want a bit of a spread, but normally you'll always max out HP on a defensive Pokémon and put the rest of the points into either one or both of the defense stats, or on an offensive Pokémon, perhaps allocate the majority of the points to Speed and the rest to one of the attack stats. Sites like Smogon.com list popular movesets and EV spreads for nearly every Pokémon used competitively, and can be a good way to get a feel for how a competitive set might look.
#Exp. Share will split the EXP, but both Pokémon will get the full EVs. If you defeat a {{p|Pikachu}} while one of your other party members has an Exp. Share, both your active Pokémon and the one with the Exp. Share will get 2 Speed EVs. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks for your answers, thats exactly what I needed to know! ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 00:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Related question: If a Pokemon holding a Macho Brace or other EV-affecting item is switched into battle, and therefore two or more Pokemon earn experience from the battle WITHOUT the use of an Exp. Share, do the Pokemon without the EV-affecting item receive the normal number of EVs or the increased number? I know that Pokerus affects only the Pokemon experiencing it, but I can't find any description of the mechanics for a normal shared experience scenario as opposed to one involving an Exp. Share. [[User:Mousewings|Mousewings]] 08:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

== Box Trick ==

The article never states if you can still use the box trick to raise stats when at level 100. I'm wondering if you can un-train then re-train the EVs of lv 100 Pokémon.[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Never mind... I'm really stupid.

== An Additional Question ==
Sorry if this seems a bit picky, but I wanted a direct answer to this question rather than assume the answer. I know you have 510 EVs to distribute to a single Pokémon, and you can only use 255 EVs for one stat. Is it possible to max out a stat (spend 255 EVs on it), but still continue to waste your 510 EVs on that stat? Like, if you invested 255 EVs to speed (and thus only have 255 EVs total to work with) then battled a Zubat, would you now have only 254 EVs to work with or do you still have 255? [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 01:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:The 255 cap is just that, a cap. Once you get 255 in a stat, no other EVs in that stat will be counted, so you still have 255 EVs left to put into other stats. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 01:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Really? I thought once you reached 252 you were just throwing away EV points. Are you completely sure?[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 01:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It is "throwing away EV points" because you need 4 EV points to get 1 stat point, but you put in 3 EV points to fill the max to 255, meaning you never get your 1 stat point out of it. But I wasn't sure if you were able to continue wasting. [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Eh... i was unclear. Apart from the wasted 3, i thought you could continue gaining EVs until you'd wasted all of them on one stat. Though if it really does stop gaining EVs after 255, that would answer my question of "Why is it a cap if you can keep wasting them?" Frankly, it's fantastic news, since I'm EV training a zangoose the horribly lazy way. Pokérus, Power Bracer and beating a whole bunch of floatzel. (Which, if I'm not mistaken, nets me 4 speed EVs and 8 attack with each one defeated. Anyone care to correct me if I'm wrong?)[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 02:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::So it seems Jïörüjï Ðērākō is right in that it does cap. Just had someone test it out so let the lazy EV training begin! [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 02:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::As for the why it caps, 1 byte is capable of storing 256 different values. One of those values is zero, leaving 255 others. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Excuse me... ==

HI, I'm new!... That aside, could someone please explain the following situation? I think it might be useful to people... Anyway, I came across EVs recently and decided to train my [[Kadabra (Pokémon)|Alakaz]] in Sp. Atk. and Speed. His EVs were already maxed, so I thought of using the EV-reducing berries. I also tried some on a {{p|Houndoom}}, for happiness. These are the messages I got:

I used a lot of [[Grepa berry|Grepa berries]], and then some {{b|Kelpsy}} and {{b|Qualot}}. His happiness was always at max. At first I got the message "Alakaz adores you! Its base Sp. Def. fell." After some Grepas, I got the message "It won't have any effect." Then I fed him some Kelpsy, and I got the message "Alakaz adores you! Its base Attack fell"... Then I tried a few Pomeg berries on [[Houndoom (Pokémon)|Houndark]]. At first the normal message showed, but I didn't see the HP go down. Then, after the third one, I got "Houndark became more friendly. Its base HP won't go lower."

Can someone please explain? I'm [[User:Togepikachu|TogePikachu]], thank you. 10:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:*Your Alakaz must have had maximum happiness, as well as some Attack and Sp. Def. EPs. Using a reduction berry on a Pokémon with maximum happiness but nonzero EV will give you the "adores you" message. But once you erased all of Alakaz's Sp. Def. EPs, since Alakaz already had maximum happiness and 0 Sp. Def. EV, more Grepa berries would not have any effect (and the game told you). Alakaz still had some Attack EPs, so Kelpsy berries would still have an effect by reducing its Attack EV.
:*Your Houndark had 11-20 HP EPs before you used the Pomeg berries (after the Pomeg berries, it had 0), but that was not enough to make a difference in its HP stat at that level. Your Houndark did not reach maximum happiness even after you gave it the Pomeg berries, so using further Pomeg berries would still have an effect by increasing its happiness.
:[[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 20:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== 1st and Second Gen ==

Is it possible in the first and second generation to see when your stats have maxed BESIDES fighting the E4 then Box Tricking? I want to know when to stop training Mewtwo over there. Haha. [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 20:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's not possible to definitively determine if your Pokémon is maxed out (unless if one of its stats has IV 15 and that stat was maxed before - then you know it's absolutely maxed) without outside hardware, such as a cheating device. Couldn't reduce EVs until late Generation III, so it's really hard to determine a Generation I or II Pokémon's stat potential. If you don't see any stat improvement after a large number of battles, then of course that may suggest that maximum stats have been reached, but that's not a guarantee. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 07:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Is "Effort values" an official terminology? ==

I see in the Pokémon Emerald Official Encyclopaedia (a Japanese official book), and in the Route 9 Department Store of Pokémon Black & White, effort value is called "基礎ポイント" (base point) in Japanese. I want to know, is the terminology "Effort values / 努力値" (as well as base stats, IV, others..) referred in any official media? Or it's actually a widely-used fanon terminology like "Masuda method" --[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 14:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:I have never seen official Pokémon media use "effort value" or "effort point". In fact, in the English Generation IV games, the descriptions for the vitamins (HP Up, Protein, etc.) and the EV-reduction berries (Pomeg, Kelpsy, etc.) also mention "base" stat. For example, the in-game description of the HP Up item is, "''A nutritious drink for Pokémon. It raises the '''base HP''' of one Pokémon.''" I think that IV (individual value) is also an unofficial term, but I'm not sure about other terminology. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 15:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::I think the reason that they do this is because although IV's and EV's are separate data, when calculating stats they are pretty much just addons to the base stats. So, one EV point actually ''raises the base stat'' of a specific Pokémon by 1/8 of a point, and one IV point raises it by a half point. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 17:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Apparently there's an official name for them now - "Base Points". [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::So perhaps the official (English) term for the ''combined effect of base stat, IV, and EV'', is "base stat", and not just EVs specifically? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, I think we might need some more clarification (maybe an exact quote) about what they really mean when they say "base point" or "base stat". Swampert (or anyone), could you provide a translation of the text that you mentioned? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::And apparently I didn't see it in the first post (the "base point" thingy). I'm dumb >_< [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::::From my understanding, 基礎ポイント means and '''only''' means effort value, since the book says ''基礎ポイント(base points) can affect about 60 stat value when Lv.100''(translated), and a NPC in Route 9 Department Store says ''The items to rise 基礎ポイント are sold on Floor 3''. I haven't found an official English term, it should be ascertained in the English version of Black and White.--[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 14:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you Swampert. We'll have to see if Ztobor might be correct that the English games will translate "基礎ポイント" as "base point". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Effect on stat points ==

The German Pokéwiki has this to say about effort values. Here is a rough translation:

"At level 100, four EV's in a particular stat will result in an increase of one point for that stat. At other levels, the number of EV's needed to do so is as follows:

*Level 0-19: 40
*Level 20-29: 20
*Level 30-39: 13.3
*Level 40-49: 10
*Level 50-59: 8
*Level 60-69: 6.6
*Level 70-79: 5.7
*Level 80-89: 5
*Level 90-99: 4.4
*Level 100: 4"

Should this be included here? --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:I was under the understanding that it was 4 EVs = 1 point for all levels... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::You can add it if you want. I don't see what the problem would be, since it would show people the "true" effect of EVs at certain levels. For example, you would expect a level 1 Chimchar, with 31 Attack IV and 252 Attack EV, to have 7 Attack (by the formula) instead of 69 Attack (6+252/4). [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::i say add it because i was gonna ask why my pokes were getting 1 pt every 8 evs when its supposed to be 4 evs i thought. looking at that chart it makes sense because they were at 55-58 when i was training them. [[User:TerrorKingMugen|TerrorKingMugen]] 16:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::So what my question now is...when you level up, do these EVs "catch up" with their proper level? So if I EV trained a Bulbasaur at level 2 and he got +1 Sp ATK because he had 40 Sp ATK EVs, once he got to level 41, and theoretically gained no EVs, would that become +4 Sp Atk, or did I just screw Bulbasaur out of points? [[User:Poke poke poke|Poke poke poke]] 23:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Technically, that chart is only an approximation. You didn't screw Bulbasaur out of any EV's, but it's not always obvious the work that the EV's are doing. To answer your question, yes, that +1 you got at Level 2 will... actually grow into +20 at Level 41. The figure of "40" only works for Level 10. At level 2, it actually takes 200 EV's to raise the Sp.Atk by 1 point. It's just that that +20 will be spread about through the other 38 levels, so you won't see it discretely. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== official name? ==

Serebii are reporting that an NPC on Isshu Route 9 gives an official name to EVs as "base points". Can anyone confirm this? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 15:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please see the discussion above, "Is 'Effort values' an official terminology?". Since Black and White haven't been released in any language other than Japanese, we only know that the term used in Japanese is "基礎ポイント", which people have translated as "base point". We'll just have to wait for the English-language release to find out the official English name. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 03:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== That Gen V section ==

Is it proven yet? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, here: [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79340&page=62]. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 12:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Still a bit confused... ==

So are Rare Candies okay if you've already got all your desired 512 EVs? Or is it better to level it up through battling, manually, all the way to Level 100?

And would the following method work to get the best possible stats for a Pokemon with the same IVs?
Say: a Level 50 Gyarados with mixed random EVs via battling throughout the storyline, fed as many stat-reducing berries as possible, and then battled the correct number of the correct type of Pokemon to get 252/252/6 EVs, and then leveled up with a bunch of Rare Candies to Level 100?
:If the Pokémon has 510 EVs total then it doesn't matter whether you use Rare Candies or Battle experience to further level it up. And yes, that method should work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen III Deoxys ==

It should be mentioned somewhere in the article, that the only Pokémon that gets stats recalculated at the end of every battle in Gen III is {{p|Deoxys}}, as opposed to the other Pokémon, which get their stats recalculated in the box or by leveling up. I recall, when I first got an event Deoxys in my FireRed game, I noticed that it wasn't getting normal stat recalculation upon leveling up when I was EV training it. Then I noticed that in FR/LG/E, the alternate formes of Deoxys have that behavior upon battling: their stats grow after every battle instead of the normal way of gaining a boost upon level-up. This doesn't happen with the normal Deoxys from R/S. Anyone feel free to add it to the article (and confirm it, if you have time and Deoxys, too). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== As for the "recalculations" in Gen. V ==

I'm rather confused as to what "stats being recalculated after every battle" entails. Does it mean that even if, say, your Emboar is fully EV trained, its EVs can still be changed just by its being in more battles? Sorry, I might just be missing some obvious wording, but it'd help if someone would clear this up.... [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 19:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:In Generations III and IV, if, say, you have a Pokémon (not Deoxys) with 100 Attack and zero Attack EVs, if it then gains 252 Attack EVs without leveling up, evolving, going in the PC box, or using any vitamins, its Attack will still be 100 until you do one of those things. In Generation V, this is changed so that increases in EVs will automatically increase stats as appropriate after every battle without the need of the [[box trick]] or similar. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 19:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, so basically the stats are fully realized ''when you finish EV Training'' versus when reaching Level 100? And level gain is no longer required to have EVs account ''at all''? Exciting. Thank you very much for the clarification. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 19:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Effort Values checker? ==

According to the articles regarding [[Blackthorn City]] and [[Opelucid City]], there is a lady who gives you a rough idea of your Pokemon's EVs. Can we get a list of phrases? In my playing experience, the only thing this person has ''ever'' said about any of my Pokémon is "It looks like your [Pokémon] ... could try a little harder", whether it's my Starter (who has long since maxed out a few EVs) or a freshly bred/caught Pokemon with no EVs at all. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 18:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)''
:To my understanding, there are only two phrases. She will say "Could try a little harder" if you have not hit 510, and "has put in great effort" if it is at 510.[[User:Poke poke poke|Poke poke poke]] 23:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Switching out ==

How does switching out work with EVs? Say I have a Nosepass, holding a Power Belt, as my lead Pokémon, and find a wild Geodude. I automatically send out my Nosepass, of course, then switch to my Weavile and KO the geodude. Will my Nosepass now gain 5 Defense EVs (Geodude's 1 given + 4 from the Power Belt) or 1, or none? On a side note, this page is getting pretty long. Are article talk pages ever archived or does that only apply to user talk pages? [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 16:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:OK, I didn't see the conversation a few above me, and unless I'm horribly wrong here, the power items will always give extra EVs when the Pokémon gains EVs from battle, so goodbye. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 16:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

== Generation II confusion about special ==

It says generation II is the same as generation I, and the special attack and special defence stat share the EV for special. That makes sense for backwards compatibility, but when I'm trying to keep track of my EVs in generation II I can't work out which one is used.

Example: Hoothoot has sp. atk. and sp. def. of 36 and 56 respectively. Generation II uses just one EV for both, so when I kill a hoothoot, what gets added to the single EV for special? 36 or 56? I'm trying to keep track of how many EVs (or stat exp) my pokémon have earned, but don't know what to do for special and I can't find the answer anywhere. --[[User:Pan|Pan]] 09:36, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==So...==
This may be the same as a question above but is it possible to put more than 252 or 255 EVs into a stat? Like all 510? Or does it stop at 252 or 255? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 18:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:It stops at 255. But since 4 EVs are needed to increase a stat by one at level 100, there's not much point putting the final three into the stat. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Is this what is needed to max out stats: IVs of 31 + the right nature/characteristic + 255 EVs? And is it true that you can only max out ''2'' stats? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 21:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:I think that's right, I have a Hacked {{p|Arceus}} that was supposed to have Perfect stats, But the nature redid the stats so that only HP and Attack remained maxed. BTW this question seems to be more suited to the forums. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Working in Gen V ==

Okay, first of all I've been EV training for a while in my Pokemon white. I check the stats before and after every battle, and the stats are never recalculated for the said Pokemon. Can anyone explain this to me? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Yes, I have the same problem. [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 18:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:<s>From the Generation III section, still relevant in Generation V: "For every Pokémon that has gained Effort Points in battle, stats will be recalculated upon leveling up, except for Deoxys, whose stats are recalculated after every battle instead."</s> Nevermind, I was thinking about Gen. IV. [[User:Shiny Porygon|Shiny Porygon]] 18:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
::Shiny Porygon, the Gen V section tells you that they're now recalculated after every battle, not after levelling up.

::It may just be that your Pokémon's at a low level, so a small amount of EVs don't make a difference yet. What level is the Pokémon you're EV training? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 14:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

== Working with the earliest form of EV training ==

I just got the base stats of the Pokemon list printed from bulbapedia and I need a bit of guidance. I don't really understand how much effort value a Pokemon will yield if it has a different base Special Attack than Special Defense. There was only Special in gen 1 and the Stat EXP I read gave a poor example such as defeating 656 Mew give Max EVS since it's obvious that he has a base stat of 100 all over, meaning he can end up with all the same stats at level 100 with Max DVs and EVs. If an Eevee is defeated on Pokemon Yellow, since that is your first rival battle with an Eevee, does Pikachu gain an average of 54.17 Stat EXP in all stats or does he gain a separate 55 HP, 55 Attack, 55 Speed, 50 Defense and 45 or 65 Special Stat EXP? Or does Pikachu gain a total of 325 Stat EXP? How does this work and how do you keep track of this? I wish someone answered me on Yahoo Answers so I wouldn't have to ask here. ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 23:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC))

Or since 45 and 65 /2 is 55 on average would it gain an average of 55 Special instead? ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 23:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC))
:The Generation I special stat is listed in the footer of the stats template for the relevant Pokemon. They can't be determined from the Gen II and onwards stats. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Where is the footer of the stats template for the first 151 Pokemon? Also if I managed to take down an Eevee, 3 Pidgey, a Rattata, a Mankey, a Nidoran ♂, a Nidoran ◙, and a Spearow in Yellow with Pikachu in that order, how would the Stat EXP or their base stats converted to Stat EXP add up to my Pikachu's overall stats? ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 03:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC))

I'm going to inform you that I have found the template. I may need to ask my mom to print a separate page only for gen 1 since it's a bad idea to mix up Special Attacks with Special Defenses base stats for Pokemon Stadium as it doesn't help me very much. But you could pretty much explain how those are converted after I read my stats knowing that they must have different base stats everywhere. ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 03:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC))

Hi, i think there's something wrong stated:

in Generation one the Exp all shares also STat Experience, i could even proof it if you wish(or you do it yourself :p )

So please fix this^_^

But i dont know if Stat exp is really shared, or every Pokemon gets the Basic undevided value, so if you have fun to discover that, pls do it =P, i trained 6 pokemon and after my fighter(only one pokemon fighted the hole time) got maxstats the other pokemons still get stat exp via boxtrick, but have increased there stats randomly if i didnt fought with them.

So i guess they will be DEVIDED ;)

cu

--[[User:Wbuster|Wbuster]] 18:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

== Gen. I Stat Exp. - Divided by 4 or 8? ==

The formula on this page for Gen. I has a 4 in the denominator, but the stat calculation formula on the page for IVs has the denominator for Stat Exp as 8. Which one is it?--[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 20:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

== So For Clarification for Gen 1/2 ==

Since there's no joined EV cap between the different stats, there's no need to worry about EV training in a 'useless' stat on a Pokémon because all stats can eventually be trained to max anyway?

Is there any way to calculate the number when a stat is finally maxed out in this generation? The ranges given on the page include the effects of natures which don't exist here. -- [[User:CryptRat|CryptRat]] 01:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

==Appearance==
How can you tell if your Pokemon has certain EVs? [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] 01:22, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't {{t|Fighting}}-type Pokemon receive a lot of [[Attack]] and even more [[Defense]] EVs because of their [[type]] advantages? [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] 01:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
*I do not think so, due to EV points being based on the pokemon they fight. IVs, however, are based on the pokemon, and do effect their stats much like EVS, but are Hereditary rather than earned. Hope That helped --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 19:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
*Almost forgot. You can Calculate your IVs here: http://veekun.com/dex/gadgets/stat_calculator. EVs, however, are a bit trickier, and are probably just easier to record as you earn them --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 19:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Effort points ==

What are effort points? Does the article directly define them? Are they different from effort values in any way? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 22:00, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

== Gen V section needs an update ==

I found out through my own training recently that in Black and White Versions, a second level gained by defeating a single opponent causes the effort points from the defeated opponent to be added into the stats for the second level gained and all other levels gained from that victory. I tried to make an edit about this to the Generation V section, but I doubt I made it acceptable. If anyone could confirm my findings, and also make appropriate changes to the article, that would be fantastic. Thanks. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 23:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

== EV training section? ==

Would it be better to make the EV training section here, make an entire new page for it, or just add a Tips section for EV trainers? Support, discussion, and help from other developers would be appreciated --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 19:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== join avenue ==

In black 2 and white 2, if you open up a gym or kitchen, they sell things that raise stats, or ev's. And if you open a salon, you can lower the stats. I want to know by how much. [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 16:48, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it gives you ev's based on the lv of training i.e, Attack Lv.4 gives 4 effort values, Speed Lv.8 gives 8 evs, Ect.[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 02:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

== EV Points Earned? ==

*How do you know I you receive any extra EV points. Are they shown in the stats each time you level up? --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] ([[User talk:Kid Sonic|talk]]) 00:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
**4 EVs are equal to 1 base point for a stat. You do not need to level up to earn EV STATS. You earn them after enough battles (based on the Pokemon you fight or the "Power" held items. --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] ([[User talk:Kid Sonic|talk]]) 03:02, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

== When using EV-reducing berries ==

*CAUTION: When using these kinds of berries to get rid of unwanted EVs, '''the base stat gets lowered by one point'''. For example, if your Shuckle has 124 HP, using a Pomeg Berry will lower it to 123. --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] ([[User talk:Kid Sonic|talk]]) 02:58, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

== The FULL EV calculation for ANY level ==

Something that I found very annoying is that the listed EV calculation is one that works only for level 100 pokémon.
After some testing, this seems to be the correct calculation:

''Stat boost = EV*level/400''

then that number is rounded ''down'' to the closest integer.

Examples:

'''120 EVs at level 100:'''

120*100/400 = 30 stat boost

'''120 EVs at level 25:'''

120*25/400 = 7.5 stat boost

7.5 rounded down = 7 stat boost

Can this please be updated to the article page? I'm playing pokémmo atm and nobody seems to know anything other than "4 EVs = 1 stat boost", but that only applies to level 100 pokémon, so this article page indirectly causes false (or incomplete) information to be spread. {{unsigned|Mornedil}}
:This formula actually does seem quite helpful. I support adding it to the page. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 01:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

== EV Training ==
So here it is. Im training 3 Charmanders and 2 Charizards for an "ultimate team"(I already have the 6th at 100). I've obviously been using the Macho Brace, and im also EV training them in specific stats. But the problem is, i haven't been counting the EV's accumulated, as some people do. So does anybody know the rough approximation of when a pokémon reaches its first maxed EV number with a Macho Brace? I reall don't want to mess up their training. Much appreciated.--[[User:XWaffle117x|XWaffle117x]] ([[User talk:XWaffle117x|talk]]) 01:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:A single stat can only have 255 EVs, as such, unless the [[IV]] of the stat is known, it isn't possible to know if a stat is fully maxed out if the EVs are not kept track of. If you can figure out the IV for that stat, then it is possible to know how many EVs have been accumulated. Alternatively, certain people will give your Pokémon an Effort Ribbon if your Pokémon has attained 510 EVs. In Emerald, this person is located in [[Slateport_City#Energy_Guru|Slateport City]]. In Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum this person is found in [[Sunyshore_Market#Effort_Ribbons|Sunnyshore City Market]], and in HeartGold and SoulSilver this person is found in [[Blackthorn City]] in the House northeast of Pokémon Center. In Black and White (I'm not sure if its for Black 2 and White 2) a person is found in Opelucid City who will tell if a Pokémon has 510 EVs. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 02:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright. I already knew a good amount of things about the EV's(like how many go into each stat, max #, etc.). But i was just wondering if there was a good guess on which level I should start training on the other stat. But i did forget about the girl in Slateport, i'll just have to trade over from FireRed to check if i have hit max for the stat. Thanks for your help and time!!--[[User:XWaffle117x|XWaffle117x]] ([[User talk:XWaffle117x|talk]]) 07:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

== Does decreasing Effort Values decrease stats? ==

Hi, I am kind of new to EV training, and being as I just recently got my platinum reset, I was wondering at later levels, if you clear effort values, does it decrease the stat?[[User:Max2liam|Max2liam]] ([[User talk:Max2liam|talk]]) 01:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, it does, but it depends how much Effort values you decrease. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 15:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

== Move ==
User {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} has suggested moving this page to [[Base stat]]. I oppose this. I believe the official reference to EVs as base stats was a mistake on the part of those who wrote up the information release - the term does not even accurately describe what they are. "Base" in this context implies before changing or modification, which is essentially the opposite of what EVs are. However, regardless of whether or not the official reference to EVs as base stats was an accident, changing it at this point in time will only cause a lot of confusion, in part because the term doesn't describe it properly and in part because there is already something else called base stats. [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 19:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:If they're still calling it "base stats" when the game is released, that's the official term, so it doesn't matter how wrong or inaccurate it is; we '''must''' use it. In the meantime, "base stats" is the only officially-given term for it (mistake or not), so it's probably the most accurate option we have at the moment. Whether we want to actually move it yet and then perhaps have to move it again, that's probably for the staff to decide. For what it's worth, SnorlaxMonster also put up a move template on the current "base stat" page, suggesting the alternate title "species stat"; while I'm not fond of the suggested title itself, I do like the idea of moving that article away from the title "base stat" regardless of whether this article gets moved to that title. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:'''Please discuss the requested move on [[Talk:Base stats]]. There is already a section for it there.''' [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 21:06, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::This is a separate issue from the discussion on [[Talk:Base stats]]. Both are proposals by {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}, but one is to move Effort values --> Base stats, the other to move Base stats --> Species stats. They are not the same thing at all, and the former move happening doesn't necessarily mean the latter move will happen - it is a different discussion. [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 21:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Incidentally, these have been referred to as base stats since at least before FR/LG, in which vitamins referred to raising the base stat, as well as the Berries from Pomeg to Tamato referring to lowering the base stat since D/P (Emerald also said something such as "Lowers base Speed" for the Tamato Berry, for example). This is simply the first time that they've officially stated what base stats are, it's incredibly unlikely that this is a simple mistake. Personally, I feel that the official term should take priority. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 21:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::::Nonono! They are NOT calling the EVs base stats! They never did! They are calling the result of what Bulbapedia currently calls EVs divided by four, plusses what Bulbapedia currently calls Base Stats multiplied with 2, plusses what Bulbapedia currently calls IVs, the Base Stats. That means the EVs shouldn't have there names changed, but the base stats need a name change on Bulbapedia! When the Pokémon company says 'Base Stats' they mean EVs/4 + Base Stats x 2 + IVs. And then they don't just mean only the EVs. Get it? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 11:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
::::: (([IV + (2 x Base) + EV/4] x Level)/100 + 5) x Nature = ((Base Stat x Level)/100 + 5) x Nature [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 11:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, with the game out this needs to be brought up again.

Some facts: When Super Training, every time you complete a level, the Pokémon's "base stats" by a certain number. This number caps out at 252 and for every 4 base stats you've earned, the relevant stat at Level 100 increases by 1. I've also found items such as Juices in the Juice Shoppe in Lumiose that, for example, raise a Pokémon's "base Defense stat" by 6 which also shows up on the Effort-o-Meter. After defeating Pokémon, your base stats on the Effort-o-Meter increase slightly. Using Vitamins or Wings also increase the amount of base stats shown on the Effort-o-Meter and contribute towards the total limit. There are certain berries that reduce base stats and an item in Super Training called a Reset Bag that "Completely resets all of the base stats of a Pokémon", which decreases their stats accordingly as if they have 0 base stats.

This isn't simply a mistake or a mistranslation, it's the official name. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 04:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Consider this. If a "base stat" is defined as the number shown on the Pokémon's summary page alongside the stat name, how can you distinguish this from your definition? To me, it's highly probable that it's this and not EV's specifically that they're going for, seeing as the latter were hidden for the first five generations. [[User:Arcorann|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann|talk]]) 06:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::Read Blazios's post again more carefully. I think it's extremely clear that Nintendo's "base stats" are what we once called EVs. Summary page stats do not max out at 252 and do not translate in a 4-to-1 ratio to an increase to the relevant stat at level 100, but EVs (and what Nintendo is calling base stats) absolutely do. That's just the tip of the iceburg; literally everything he said describes what we called EVs in great detail and has virtually nothing to do with summary page stats. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Does anybody else have any opinions or objections to this? I'd like to think that I'd provided valid evidence for this move but I don't want to go causing trouble by moving pages as important as this one (and by extension, the one currently called base stats) without staff approval. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 13:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::My scanner's not working right now, but the guidebook proves without a doubt that EVs are officially called "base stats" on page 373. There's a graphic showing that "Your Pokémon's stats" being composed of "The strengths of its species", "The strengths of the individual", and "Its base stats for each stat". It also has "+ Nature, held items, etc." off to the side. Note that this is also in the Super Training section of the book. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::No need to worry about scanning that page anymore, just look at [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/vg_xy_strategy_base_stats-2013-11-20/ this Pokémon.com article]. Most significant quote: "Base stats are not the six Pokémon stats you often see, such as HP, Attack, and Speed—base stats are actually the rate at which those defining stats will increase." --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:37, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::So... now a Pokémon's base stats are its... base base stats plus its other base stats from Super Training? Meaning that both EVs and base stats have the official name of base stats? They REALLY don't want to make this simple for us. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 14:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, I see what you're saying, you're talking about the "Investigate" section. It looks like whoever wrote this Pokémon.com article didn't properly understand the guidebook (since it appears to basically be an attempt to transfer that info). There is one blatant error there to begin with: "In Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Guidebook, base stats are represented by green boxes by each of the six stats." That is simply not the case; the guidebook uses those two boxes only once, and that's to demonstrate what "The strengths of the Pokémon's species" are. It's also why they're labelled "Stat Growth Rates" and not "Base Stats". It's not actually explained what the red is supposed to indicate though (I'd just assumed the red was supposed to show base stats adding to "the strengths of the Pokémon's species"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, that makes far more sense. That's pretty much absolute confirmation of it, then? The only issue now is still what to move the base stats page to. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 14:37, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Got the scans of the relevant pages [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21584420/BP/Images/XY%20guidebook%20p372-3.jpg] [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21584420/BP/Images/XY%20guidebook%20p374-5.jpg] --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I wasn't expecting a response, but I [http://support.pokemon.com/link/portal/15182/15227/Ticket/148930 submitted a question to support.pokemon.com and got a response]. They have clarified that EVs are base stats, and that the Pokémon.com article needs correcting. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
::Just so you know, people who aren't you can't view your support question or the response if you wanted everyone to see it. Is the base stats page going to be moved soon for this page to take its place? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 01:42, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Oh? well, here's the text:
Apologies for the delay in response. Looking closely at this, I believe the article on Pokémon may need correcting and I will contact the writer to discuss it.

Stats are the values inherent to a Pokémon species
Base Stats, which are influenced by Super Training (among other things like the item Protean), will grow a given Stat faster
On the whole, the internet also offers many great resources in regards to training Pokémon - the ways to train and grow a Pokémon are so numerous it can be difficult for even us to cover all the bases!

Thank you,

-Pokémon Support
:::--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:14, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

:::: I was about to object seeing the template, but skimming the evidence above, I think the renames are warranted. (Though, I personally think this whole mess may be due to an unfortunate mis-translation, but that's beside the point if the whole of Nintendo seems to be adopting it.) I suggest a lot of clarification though, at least at first (i.e. "The term 'base stat' was used by the community in [[Generation V]] and prior to refer to [[species stat]]s. However, the term gained a different official definition in [[Generation VI]]."). Presumably, these are 'base' as opposed to [[Stat_modifiers#Stages|Stages]], I guess?? [[User:AySz88|AySz88]] ([[User talk:AySz88|talk]]) 04:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

== Have Effort Ribbon, used stat-reducing berry ==

I got an Effort Ribbon for my Shedinja, and I later cleared its Defense, Sp.Defense, and Sp.Attack EVs using the stat-reducing berries. Is there a way to know if you had gotten the maximum 510 EVs again?

(The Shedinja was part of my starting team, and soaked up unneeded EVs in Double Battles). [[User:1caiser|1caiser]] ([[User talk:1caiser|talk]]) 06:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:In XY, just go to Super Training and check whether the bar on the right is filled up all the way. In previous generations, no, I don't know if there's a definite way. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:16, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks anyways. I remembered that I had a save of the game (using emulator) on my computer prior to using the Hondews, so I now have a general number of how many EVs I'm missing. Time to kill 25 Linoones / Beat Sidney into submission but not using Shedinja to fight Cacturne... [[User:1caiser|1caiser]] ([[User talk:1caiser|talk]]) 06:26, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Is wasting 258 or 18 EVs the max? ==

Let us say, in LeafGreen I choose Bulbasaur and loose to my nemesis and then go to route 1 and battle Pidgeys and Rattatas 510 times, all the time swearing never to be beat by my nemesis again. (Pidgey and Rattata both add 1 EV to speed.) Then I battle and win against a Mankey on route 22 (adds one EV to attack) and then I face my nemesis again. I supposedly maxed out my speed with attacking all the Pokémon on route 1. The one EV from Mankey, is that put into my attack stat or have I used up all 510 EV points (wasting 258 extra in speed)?

Or:

If I do not pay attention to my EV collecting and get 83 EVs (4 x 20 + 3) in HP, Attack, Sp. Attack, Defense, and Sp. Defense and 95 (4 x 23 + 3) in Speed. (83 x 5 + 95 = 510) Is this the maximum amount of effort values I can waste? 127 the worst way vs 123 the horrible way. (20 x 5 + 23 = 123) vs. ((252 / 4) x 2 + 1 = 127)

[[User:Cyalknight|Cyal (LeafGreen&Emerald)]] ([[User talk:Cyalknight|talk]]) 08:43, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
:You cannot put 510 EVs in any one stat. The maximum is 255 which is stated on the page. You've received an attack EV but only one means that it hasn't actually received anything towards your stat.
:For your second question. I guess? It's kinda a silly hypothetical that's not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 12:30, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Trades and Stat Calculation ==

Does the system recalculate a pokemon's stats when it's traded? In particular I'm wondering about 4th gen. For example, if you had a Lv. 100 Blaziken in Diamond, could you cancel it's EVs (using berries), retrain it's EVs, then get it's new stats by trading to a Platinum? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 07:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Moves and Abilities/Archive 1

2014-01-20T17:20:45Z

Legionaireb: /* Proposed new category/page: Moves with Hidden Effects */ new section

== What goes and what don't ==

I've just begin to edit some move pages and I was wondering what should go there. For example, a 2nd generation move (like Rain Dance) should have something like "This move didn't exist on 1st generation" under Effect - Generation I?
: Don't bother creating a Generation I heading. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:44, 10 March 2006 (CST)

Also, things like the fact that Stomp will deal double damage on a minimized foe, should be on the Stomp page, the Minimize page or in both?
: Both. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:44, 10 March 2006 (CST)

And finally, moves like Frenzy Plant or Volt Tackle should mention the way you could obtain them (since its uniqueness)?
: Of course. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:44, 10 March 2006 (CST)

==New member==
I would like to join the project as collaborator, who should I ask? [[User:Gambler|Gambler]] 09:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Glitch attacks? ==

Should we or should we not give the glitched attacks like TM06 articles? After all, we give the glitched Pokémon like [[Q]] separate articles... Why not the attacks as well? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

== Leaf Blade ==

{{m|Leaf Blade}} seems to have [http://serebii.net/attackdex-dp/leafblade.shtml gained power] in Diamond/Pearl. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 15:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== New Member number two ==

Sign me up. This is pretty much the reason I joined here, hehe. I've got access to all of the GBA Pokémon games, so as far as research and whatnot, I believe I can get most (if not all) of the moves so far. By all means, let me know right away if I can be of assistance. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 05:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

:Alright, I have a question to start things off. On move pages that have been automatically added, the move's details are in a table on the right side of the screen. This contains the Type (electric, grass, etc), PP, dmg, among other things. One thing I notice is a "Catagory:" <nowiki>{{{damagecatagory}}}</nowiki>. What is this supposed to read? Is it simply something added in that has nothing to do with the move? I've checked some moves that seem to have all the info, and they don't seem to have this heading in the table. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 05:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's supposed to be whether the move is [[Physical attack|physical]] or [[Special attack|special]] in [[Generation IV]]. Most, if not all, moves probably don't have the info, as we've mainly been focusing on the new Pokémon for the past few months... Now that we know all of their names, though, it'd be a good idea to have people focus on the MoveDex instead of the Pokédex, though it'd be a good idea to add the Pokédex and availability templates to the Pokémon articles... all 493 of them... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Okay, I think I'll stick with Move discriptions for now, thanks... *shuffles away from the large scary number* -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 07:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Actually, the amount of moves is only a slight bit less than the amount of Pokémon, 467 compared to 493. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 08:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::Hey, 467's a small number compared to four-hundred and ninety-three. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 08:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

== Images of the move ==

I think that it would be a good idea to put a image of the move of the games or at least of the anime to make the Dex more complete. What do you think? --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 22:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good project, but how hard would that end up being in the long run? Obviously, it's going to mean a lot of images... also, how will you get the images? I've got some experience with graphics as well, so providing it's not a big deal getting the images in the first place, I'm willing to help out with the uploading and formatting. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 03:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::Lets take '''Signal Beam''' as example.

It can be placed in the infobox, and its not so hard to make a screenshot of the moves. I don't think there was a legal problem, right??--[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 16:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Would an animated gif work for the game screen? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::::That would be great, but i think is very VERY heavy in kb, they are an infinite of moves and everyone would have a gif, plus they are the jpges of the anime, so it's a LOT of bytes. Well, are you all agree with this sub-project?? --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 18:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::My only question at this point would be, wgere do we get the screencaps? Is there a site that doesn't mind up copying their pictures, or is there possibly a good way of gathering these screencaps ourselves? -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, i guess everybody have at least one season of the anime in their PC, or we can wait the Episode of the Day Club of PM and make screenshots of the moves, and the images of the game, well, we can capture it of a rom of GBA, it's not so hard. PS: How can i be a official member?? :D --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 16:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So, any ideas of how we can place the images?? I think it could be in the infobox, or in a special sub-section of the article?? because the infobox is pretty long right now. The other possibility is put them in the box and put the "touches/can miss" stuff in a sub-section for more space, to make the box don't be larger than the article. Anyone know how to edit the box? --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 00:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:I can edit the boxes if need be. I think the box could be made wider, otherwise we're ending up with a lot of unused space next to it... I'll try to get an example posted in a bit (I'm restricted to typing with one hand atm, so bare with me). -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 08:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Here's an example...
{| class="grayinfobox " border="1" cellpadding="2" style="width: 25%; max-width: 25%;"
|-
! colspan="2" class="header" | Signal Beam シグナルビーム
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: smaller;" | A strange beam attack that may confuse the foe.
|-
! colspan="2" class="divider" style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon battles|Battles]]
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
| colspan="2" align=center|
|-
! [[Elemental types|Type]]
| width="100%" | [[Bug (type)|Bug]]
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
! Category
| {{{damagecategory}}}
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
! PP
| 15 (max. 24)
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
! Power
| 75
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
! Accuracy
| 100%
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
| style="font-size: 0.90em;" colspan="2" |
* Does not touch
* '''Can Miss'''
* Not affected by [[Snatch (move)|Snatch]]
* Not affected by [[Magic Coat (move)|Magic Coat]]
* '''Uses [[King's Rock]]'''
* Does not use sound
|- style="background: #f8f8ff;"
| colspan="2" style="font-size: smaller;" | ???
|}

So, how's this look? It would require a bit of tweaking to the move template, but it's doable. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 08:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:If the image were to be centered, it'd look nicer. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:I think it looks awesome, i like it. Now, where we can place the anime image??, can be in the box, but we would have to take out a info of the box because it would be too long.

This is just an idea, in the infobox will be just the general information:
* Name of the move.
* Name in japanese.
* Move info.
* Game image.
* Type.
* PP.
* Power.
* Accuracy.
* Anime image.
* Links.

And in a little infobox in the left after descrption (''Move'' is a damage...)
* '''Battles'''.
* Touch/Miss/Snatch/Magic Coat/King's Rock/Sound info.
* Battle description.
* '''Contests'''.
* Category.
* Appeal.
* Jam.
* Contest description.

::Then the languages and the learnset. Now we have the info more organized and the learnset boxes not sooooo down. Somebody know how to cut the boxes just for the example?? what do you think??. --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 16:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 Ok guys, TIME TO VOTE, i made some changes so ... wich looks better??
:[[Signal Beam (move)|Example 1 - '''Signal Beam''']] 
:[[Haze (move)|Example 2 - '''Haze''']] 
Lets choose one and then we can make minor edits. --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 23:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:I think I like them both... how about we have the battle image in the infobox, and the anime image off to the side? Another thing I'd like to do is rearrange the formatting a bit, so the move details section of the page is next to the infobox, at the top of the page. White space ticks me off. :P I can get around to making another example of that as well, if you like. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 00:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:: Please do it, i hate white space too xD --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 00:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, formatting's proving to be a bit more challenging then I thought... the table of contents keeps getting in my way. Just thought I'd share a little way I found to remove the TOC... just add <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> to the page. There's another code that can be added in as well to re-insert the TOC somewhere else, out of the way.
:::Since I don't have move images to use for an example, I'll make a copy of one of your examples in my userspace temporarily until I get the formatting figured out. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 00:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
::Use it man, those images are now property of Bulbapedia. --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 01:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd definitely recommend keeping the damage category in there. Now that DP doesn't define them by their type anymore, you have to see the damage type in order to determine whether it utilizes the Attack or Special Attack stat. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Ah, wonderful. (is speaking sarcastically.) I took a break from editing up a good example article, and promptly lost my internet connection for a whole day. Hopefully I can get a working example up in a bit, though no promises, obviously. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 21:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Alright, took much longer then expected, but I've got a small example page up [[User:Jioruji Derako/Signal Beam (move)|here]]. I noticed that the coding for the learnset list was lengthening the page, so I removed it. This leaves a bit more room to mess around, I think. Still need a spot to put the Anime image; and could use a bit more writing on the page. Feel free to edit what I've got set up. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 05:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Maybe a sub-heading of "In the anime" detailing what the first episode it was used in was, whether any of the characters' Pokémon know it, and so on...? Perhaps putting the picture on the left side of that heading's details would work... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
::Man, thats exactly what i've been thinking in a day or so xD. So that's it, we will use the infobox of Jioruji and in the new sub-heading "In the anime" the picture in the left, the episodes where it has been used (if they are few, we can't put the list of episodes for the move Thunder, that would be sick :P) and the differences between the same move in different Pokémon. --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 18:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Same thing if you looked for Water Gun in the anime, nearly every one of Ash's Water-types have used it. I think that the first episode it was used in would be good, with the main characters' Pokémon that have used it being listed as well. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Totally, so the descrption of the anime section would be the image, the Pokémon/Trainer/Episode where it has been used and the differences between the same move in different Pokémon. --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 18:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The prototype is ready ... [[Signal Beam]] ... The infobox now has the place for the image and the project page has an anime structure. Finally we can put the images in the articles. REMEMBER, the anime image has to show the entire move and has to be impressive to look :P , please let's not fight for this-one-is-better-than-that-one, but if you have an image that explain better the move or if is way prettier, edit the article. --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 02:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

:I took a bit of a break there, but nice to see everything's been set up while I was gone. :P I don't have a way to get screencaps, but let me know if there's anything else I can help out on (I'll probably get to work on more detailed discriptions if I can, at some point). -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 10:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:: That would be great, i'm not so good in the descriptions, i prefeer the caps :P --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 23:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been playing around with {{m|Protect}} since we had a picture of Elekid using it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Smeargle ==

We HAVE to put Smeargle in every breeding box??, it really can learn all the moves or only many of them?? --[[User:Empoleon Bonaparte|Bono]] 03:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
: Any move that can be {{m|Sketch}}ed can be learnt by Smeargle. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 06:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== TMs with constant attacks. ==

[[TM06]], [[TM14]], [[TM15]], [[TM22]], [[TM25]], [[TM26]], [[TM28]], [[TM29]], [[TM32]], [[TM38]], and [[TM44]] have never changed which move they teach, however they are all disambiguation pages. I was under the impression that disambiguation pages are supposed to point towards two or more pages that could be confused, but in these cases the pages only point to one page. Also, all of the TMs over 50 redirect to their corresponding moves, so would it be all right to change all of these to redirects? [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 01:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

: For consistency, I'd say leave them. On the other hand, perhaps these should be expanded from mere disambiguation pages to item pages like on the Japanese Pokémon wiki, which lists prices and locations. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

: Yeah, consistency was my reasoning, particularly for the category. TM51+ are just redirects because they have all only been in one generation. (We can deal with [[Generation V]] when we get to it.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yet another new member ==

I've got time on my hands and nothing to fill it with, so if there's no objections I'd like to become a collaborator. Who do I have to ask? - [[User:Mronimusha|mronimusha]]

:I think you just need to add your name to the list, really. There's no one person in charge of this, I don't think. And of course, you don't need to be part of the project to contribute to the project. :D -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 18:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== New Member ==

I'm a new member and i'm from Italy, so I added some attacks'name in italian. I can continue, maybe doing something (like adding my name in list)? Excuse for my english.

== Another member ==

I'd like to contribute to the MoveDex project too. [[User:SSBMboss|SSBMboss]] 11:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== I'm joining ==

Like the title says, I'm interested in joining to help out with this project. --[[User:Metallica Freak|Metallica Freak]] 13:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Anime images ==

I realize the Project guidelines state that all pics be 240px, but I personally think putting the <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> tags around them looks a lot better. The way it's currently at, there's so much white space on the page. I don't know if it should be changed or not, but I just wanted to know what everybody else thinks. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 20:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that it's fine as it is, in 'gallery', the pics are too small. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' 20:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:The size of the pictures in the gallery is fine. It also improves the presentation of the page when there are multiple pictures and I did make a note above when I first made such an edit without complaint. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::Just to clarify, it's fine for the pictures to be 240px if there is only one on the page. But there seems to be trend of more images on one page arising and in that case we need to use the gallery for sanity of layout. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ga-ler-ry! You can click to enlarge it anyway. Without gallery, everything seems so much longer for no reason. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I know everyone already hates me for this (and probaly other reasons too with I hope you forgive me), but how about we settle this with a Bulbapedia Poll. Until we decide that can everyone agree (for now, at least) to leave the pictures the orginal way??? Please, at least just for now! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 00:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Okay. Why the heck do we need to decide everything with a poll? Seriously. The talk page is here for a reason. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 00:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

:I actually agree. I'm not saying I take your side, but a poll is a good idea. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']]
::No! No more polls! Provide an actual reason for why we shouldn't use the gallery. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Reasons why I say polls - 1. It's smaller. You can click to enlarge pictures anyway. 2. It's clean-looking. 3. Why not? The gallery is there for a reason, it's there for when you need a small area but show lots of pictures. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 00:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

:Okay, fine. I guess the gallery won't be so bad.....You win. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' 02:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== TMs ==

(Now I remember the reason why I came to the talk page in the first place..) I think we should include if the move is a TM, which number it is, what Generations did it appear in, where to find it... but rather brief, like Route XXX, or XXX Gym.. I dunno. Just a suggestion. If there is one, hit me on the head and show me where. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Member ==

I can help with the translations of the moves.

== Confusion ==

Hello, I've just joined the project, and am currently working on adding wikilinks to all the articles for moves that cause confusion. Before I started, not one of them had a link for a person to find out more about confusion. Since some of the articles have differing levels of content, here is how I determined which instance of the word (confuse/confused/confusion) to link:
# If the word occurs in the articles lead paragraph, link the first instance of it there.
# If not, but it appears in the Effects section, link the first occurence in that section.
# If not in the lead paragraph, and there is no Effects section, link the word where it appears in the description of the infobox.
I think every move should have an Effects section (a lot don't), and every move that causes confusion (or any other status effect) should say so in its lead paragraph, but I don't have time right now to do all that, this is easy. [[User:Dansiman|Dansiman]] 22:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:I wouldn't link in the infobox. Just add what it does in the opening paragraph if it doesn't say. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Do we have a Stub-section template or something? You could just add Effect headers to moves that don't have them, and stub them. They'll need effect listings at some point anyway, putting the section there would make it simple and noticeable to anyone else passing by, that the move needs it's effect written up. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 05:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Quick check; seems that <nowiki>{{gamestub}}</nowiki> is the correct tag for that. Do we normally stub a section if it's unfinished, or are the tags reserved for only really unfinished articles? I would think at the least, if the Effect section is blank, then the page itself would qualify as a stub... -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 05:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== 'bats ==

Hi guys, I figured this would be the best place to put this question, since it spans several articles:

Do Zubat, Golbat and Crobat learn ''Scary Face'' in Generation II? Zubat and Golbat's pages say so, Crobat refers to ''Mean Look'' for that generation. I don't seem to find much conclusive evidence either way with a quick search online. The Mean Look page lists all three of them, though, for that generation; so my guess is that Scary Face should be removed from those move lists. Still, the situation's ambiguous enough that I'd rather someone with the game(s) at hand double-check that situation and clear up the inconsistency than 'be bold' myself. -[[User:Pinkgothic|Pinkgothic]] 18:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

== STAB ==

Hmm... On Pokémon pages, we bolden the Pokémon that can learn a move and get STAB from it, and italicize those who can learn a move and whose evolutions can get STAB from it. Why not do that for the Pokémon names in the move articles? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:Sounds fairly simple of a process, '''bolding''' works on the Pokémon name templates we use right? -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Generations ==

Shouldn't moves be categorised by Generation? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 14:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

== One thing. ==

For the images, I think there should be one image for each generation for the ''In the anime'' section. Also, I think there should be one Image for each generation for the in game picture. Just a thought. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I think the Headers are too big. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Fixing the headers and changing the "is a {{t|Normal}}-type move" to "is a {{type|Normal}} move" is what I've been doing. As for each gen having an in-game shot, yes, certainly... but it should be in a gallery under "effect". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ever since you made that edit on Ash's page, the Level 1 Headers seemed so alien to me. So I've changed every other page I've come across, other than Pokémon pages and Move pages. It seems to be grouped better without the grey lines. So can I change the Pokémon pages? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Why don't you ask Zhen Lin to program BulbaBot to do that? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon Data ==

Are there plans on adding any data that's specific to Mystery Dungeon? The data we need is the following:
* Base Power
* PP (as they likely differ between MD and the main games)
* Accuracy (as they likely differ between MD and the main games)
* Probability of critical
* Attack ranges (line range, all in room, one space cuts corners, etc)
* Flags
** Affected by {{m|Magic Coat}}
** Affected by {{m|Snatch}}
** Affected by Muzzled status
** Does not damage frozen opponents
** Affected by {{m|Taunt}}
** Affected by Ginseng
* Other possible side effects that may differ from the main games (such as {{m|Crunch}} being a 40% cringer instead of lowering (S)Def)

:: I am interested in helping with PMD if anything gets started--[[User:Inspyre|Inspyre]] 21:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[[User:KelvSYC|KelvSYC]] 06:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Wants to join ==

I want to join this project, too. I just finished editing {{m|Dragon Rush}}. Please proofread. Thanks. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 10:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== 1024 x 768 ==

Hey. The new learnset tables make some move pages not display real great on monitors with resolutions of 1024x768 or lower. Cause some of the tables are so long (vertically), they don't start until the infobox on the right ends.

It doesn't affect all pages - ones with decent ''In the anime'' sections are fine, but for moves like {{m|Pound}}, it just makes the page look dumb. Is anyone concerned about this? Obviously, it's not a huge issue. It just looks not great on my tiny laptop screen. -[[User:Pat|Pat]] 14:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Move tutor ==

Does that also go into play? We still need work on this... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Descriptions ==

I have seen descriptions on move pages saying stuff like "somewhat damaging" and "fairly accurate". Is there any guidelines for what is considered what, or should these be edited out, or {Insert a third option that I am able to think of at the moment} [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 17:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:I think those labels are too opinionated, along with the "deals very little damage" statements, so I'm removing them until a better option is found. Plus, people could just look at the move's information on the side of the page. [[User:Tesh|TESH]][[User_talk:Tesh|IGIGAS]] 20:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== In the anime templates ==

This might be a silly question, but what's the difference between the movemid and movebtm templates? Or rather, when should you use which one? --[[User:Snowrunt|Snowrunt]] [[User talk:Snowrunt|♥]] [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|♥]] 03:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:btm for the most bottom one. It basically adds a curve at the ends. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== 3rd gen. screenshots ==

Should we replace current screenshots from 3rd gen games for 4 gen ones?--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 09:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:[[User:Kenji-girl/DPPt move picture update|YOU. Join my project. NOW!]] You'll see it is a work already in progress. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::Done, I'll strikethrough the moves that I updated later--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 10:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::KG, mind if I add a link to your page there on the main Project page? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 17:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon Data. ==

Mystery Dungeon Data would be nice to add. But how much? And where? Should there be a new template, and what should it have? I would personally like to see some more data about the effects of moves in PMD, and I am willing to add whatever I can. {{unsigned|Inspyre}}

:Well first off, don't forget to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
:On to the topic though. We do have hopes for a template or section within each move article for the PMD versions of them; I personally only play the regular series of games, so I can't provide any data on the PMD moves. If I can get enough data to design a template for it, then it will be a simple matter of putting the template into each move article and having people like yourself fill in the details. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::Jio, all that would be required for a template for moves would be quite the same as normal moves, their PP and power is quite different, and there are MD exclusive moves...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== "In the Manga" ==

I had a neat idea that we could start. You know how we have a section on most of the move articles that shows the move being used in the anime? Would it be too much work to do it for the manga too? For example for Razor Leaf we could show an image of lets say [[Mega]] using Razor Leaf from the Manga and then put it into this:

{{moveanime|type=grass|exp=yes|gen=A sharp-edged leaf is launched to slash at the foe. It has a high critical-hit ratio.|image1=none.png|image1p=Bulbasaur|image2=none.png|image2p=Sunflora|image3=none.png|image3p=Turtwig|image4=none.png|image4p=Grotle}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=001|pkmn=Bulbasaur|method=Razor-sharp Leaves come out from under its bulb and fly into the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Ash's Bulbasaur|startcode=EP025|startname=Primeape goes Bananas|note=Debut}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=May's Venusaur|user1=May's Bulbasaur|startcode=AG073|startname=Grass Hysteria}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=003|pkmn=Venusaur|method=Venusaur launches multiple razor-sharp leaves from its back.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Corey|user1=Corey's Bruteroot|startcode=Mewtwo Strikes Back}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=James|user1=A Venusaur James borrows from the Battle Park|startcode=EP248|startname=One Trick Phony!}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=069|pkmn=Bellsprout|method=Bellsprout launches two razor sharp leaves from the two large leaves on its stem.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Jeanette Fisher|user1=Jeanette Fisher's Bellsprout|startcode=EP077|startname=The Fourth Round Rumble}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Zackie|user1=Zackie's Bellsprout|startcode=EP130|startname=A Bout with Sprout}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=070|pkmn=Weepinbell|method=Weepinbell spins around in a circle, and bunches of leaves come out and fly at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Erika|user1=Erika's Weepinbell|startcode=EP026|startname=Pokémon Scent-Sation}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=071|pkmn=Victreebel|method=Victreebel launches razor sharp leaves from the two large leaves on the sides of its body.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=James's Victreebel|startcode=EP095|startname=A Shipful of Shivers}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=James's second Victreebel|startcode=EP261|startname=Here's Lookin' at You, Elekid}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=152|pkmn=Chikorita|method=Chikorita swings its head and razor-sharp leaves fly out from the leaf on its head.}}

{{movemid|type=grass|user=Casey's Meganium|user1=Casey's Chikorita|startcode=EP118|startname=The Double Trouble Header|endcode=EP161|endname=The Bug Stops Here}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Ash's Bayleef|user1=Ash's Chikorita|startcode=EP126|startname=The Chikorita Rescue|endcode=EP199|endname=Current Events}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Kotone (anime)|user1=Kotone's Chikorita|startcode=DP143}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=153|pkmn=Bayleef|method=Bayleef swings its head and multiple razor-sharp leaves fly out from the leaf on its head.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Casey's Meganium|user1=Casey's Bayleef|startcode=EP161|startname=The Bug Stops Here}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Ash's Bayleef|startcode=EP199|startname=Current Events}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=154|pkmn=Meganium|method=Meganium swings its head and razor-sharp leaves fly out from the antennas on
Meganium's head.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Vincent's Meganium|user1=Jackson's Meganium|startcode=EP268|startname=Tie One On!}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=182|pkmn=Bellossom|method=Bellossom spins and razor-sharp leaves fly out.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Bellossom (Pokémon)|user1=Unknown Trainer's Bellossom|startcode=DP086|startname=Arriving in Style!}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=192|pkmn=Sunflora|method=Sunflora's petals glow white, then Sunflora slashes its foe.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Nando|user1=Nando's Sunflora|startcode=DP036|startname=A Secret Sphere of Influence!}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Sunflora (Pokémon)|user1=Sunflora|startcode=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=271|pkmn=Lombre|method=Lombre spins its entire body, releasing sharp leaves in the process.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Brock's Ludicolo|user1=Brock's Lombre|startcode=AG063|startname=Take the Lombre Home!|endcode=AG105|endname=Once in a Mawile}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=274|pkmn=Nuzleaf|method=Razor-sharp leaves fly out from the leaf on Nuzleaf's head.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Nuzleaf (Pokémon)|user1=A Wild Nuzleaf|startcode=DP014|startname=Leave it to Brocko!}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=387|pkmn=Turtwig|method=Turtwig swings its head and razor-sharp leaves fly out from the leaves on its head.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Ash's Grotle|user1=Ash's Turtwig|startcode=DP004|startname=Gettin' Twiggy With It!|endcode=DP100|endname=Aiding the Enemy!}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Gardenia's Turtwig|startcode=DP031|startname=The Grass-Type is Always Greener!}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=388|pkmn=Grotle|method=Razor-sharp leaves fly out from the bushes on its back.}}
{{movemid|type=grass|user=Ash's Grotle|startcode=DP100|startname=Aiding the Enemy!}}
{{movep|type=grass|ms=459|pkmn=Snover|method=Snover releases sharp leaves from its hand.}}
{{movebtm|type=grass|user=Candice|user1=Candice's Snover|startcode=DP127|startname=Sliding Into Seventh!}}
Do you understand what I am getting at? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 19:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:That might work out nicely, assuming we can get manga scans easily. Perhaps I'll see if I can rough up a "In the Manga" template soon. (poke me if I take too long.) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 22:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, It's nice to feel like I've started something useful for Bulbapedia. I'll remind you if it has been a while like you requested. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 00:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I've got a template up and running. It's just a matter of, do we have enough manga scans of moves to make the section worthwhile?
:::I'd like to implement the section in a few articles, I just want to have enough content to fill those sections. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::::I guess we'll have to look into that. It wouldn't be a big deal if only a few moves could use it. Well tell me whatever you want me to do when you are ready. Of course unles you want to take care of it yourself. The reason I came up with the idea is because there are some major differences between the manga, the games, and the anime. If we did this we could not only see what the move looks like in the anime but we could see the differences between the two.--[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 22:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal, no. Let's see, we've got one scan of Razor Leaf at least...
:::::If you want to go ahead and see what moves could use the manga template, I'm all for it. You can post a list here or something. Once we have enough moves ready for it (even if it's just a few), I'll "officially" create the template and we can start adding it to move articles. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::What we need to do is get someone (or some people) to upload pictures of pokemon from the manga using moves. Then we could gather the pictures up in somebody's (probably yours) userspace and they can be responsible for making the templates and putting them in the articles. I'm not sure how this will all be in the longrun but it's just a suggestion. With the anime articles they don't use templates like how you would use an image. So we would have to copy and paste the code into the article. Do you understand what I mean? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 15:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:I've brought this up before [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga#Moves|here]], and the decision was not to include them, and having started reading the manga, it's understandable as the attacks are mostly left unanamed, leaving them unidentifiable, or open to discussion. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 12:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
::It might still warrant addition, however only on a few moves (Razor Leaf is fairly easy to spot, as are a few others). I'll have to see. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 19:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
So what are we going to do next then? I'm pretty eager to help if I knew what to do. Right now I am willing to look through the internet and find as many moves as possible but I am not really familiar with uploading new files which is why I haven't done such. If I can figure this out, I have a way of getting the pictures. So, anyone willing to learn me how to upload a file.--[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 02:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:::So long as the images you find aren't copyrighted under someone else's license (i.e., they're found on another website that uses the CC by-nc-sa license, or they're from an official site), you can save the file to your computer, go to the Archives, and upload it through the [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Upload "upload media"] sidebar link. Just need to give it a descriptive filename, like "Razor Leaf manga1.jpg" or something along those lines.
:::<strike>Here, I have a working Manga tamplate in my userspace; feel free to start testing on the talk page right there (I've already got a basic test up there).</strike> I still don't want to move the template to the mainspace until we're 1. positive we can use it in at least a few move articles, and 2. we have enough images (or perhaps at least enough information) to fill the section. (Perhaps it would be acceptable to only have one or two images per move, so long as there's enough information to fill up the rest of the template.)
:::Standard userspace rules apply to everyone's userspace, so try not to make too many edits if you're going to test anything. Everyone's allowed to edit the page I linked to, however. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 12:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::::So what are we waiting for? All we need to do now is find pictures of the '''confirmed''' move. --''Merry Christmas!'' '''[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 21:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm going through the manga, (albeit at my own pace, so whenever i have time) and collecting images from the manga we can use, including attacks, I've done the first three so far, however, most of the attacks I have got the attacks for, the names weeren't said, but it is implied, or can be decently assumed. See my userpage for the images I have collected.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 00:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmm, seems like Vine Whip, Razor Leaf, and other such moves are pretty easy to find in the manga; perhaps we can scrounge up enough to fill a few move pages.
::::::Spriteit, think you can upload a few of those confirmed move scans? Maybe with a few of those, we can get started on a page or two, see how it works out. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 13:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::From up to chap 3 only two moves have been named, SolarBeam and Water Gun ([[a:file:PABulbasaurSolarBeamCharge.JPG|Solar Beam Charging]], [[a:file:PABulbasaurSolarBeamHit.jpg|SolarBeam Firing]], [[a:file:PAPoliwhirl Water Gun.jpg|Water Gun]]). The only problem I can see that we face is the inconsistency in regards to image sizes of the different panels, that, and getting completely clean shots. I'm gonna try to do up to chapter 10 tonight. Thanks ery much for your help also Jioruji.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:With such a small number of confirmed, named moves, I don't think an "In the manga" section is going to work as a template in every page; however, for the few that are confirmed, I do think they should be in the move articles.
:Let's try to focus on those named moves for now; I'm not sure if it would be easier to display this information in a template, or in some other form, but as an encyclopedia, I do think it should be noted. We'll try to collect what we can on the confirmed moves for now, and start adding them to pages later on.
:I'll add a bit of what we've got to <strike>my userspace</strike>, feel free to edit that yourselves as well. And thanks for the scans, Spriteit. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

==New Logo?==
I was thinking mabye we could change the logo of the project to just {{p|Mew}}, for obvious reasons. {{unsigned|Missingletter}}
:Perhaps if we ever need a new logo, Mew will be top of the list. However, I don't think the logo is quite that important at the moment. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

==Inconsistency on Generation I==
As everyone who works on this project probably knows (those that care about Generation I, at least), the battle system is set up oddly in Generation I in that every attack has a 1/256 chance of missing or not having an additional effect activate in addition to its commonly listed failure rate. This is displayed in all of the additional effect descriptions of the moves (most of them, anyways), but is not listed for their accuracies. It just seems inconsistent to me to say that Stomp has a 100% accuracy, but a 29.7% chance of causing the foe to flinch.

Personally, I think that we should just have everything listed at its face value, ignoring the 1/256 chance. The only time people really would care is when the "100%" things miss, and it would be kind of extreme to have every move have a Genration I Accuracy line. But that's just my opinion. Any thoughts? [[User:Schreiber|Schreiber]] 23:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

:I'm in favor of fixing these for consistency. Like you said, the 1/256 chance isn't tied to each move, it's the whole battle system, so technically, those move effects have a 30% chance of triggering, not 29.7% (the 1/256 chance is more or less seperate).
:The subtleties of the Gen. I battle system can be listed in higher articles (such as the ones on Gen. I in general), so I'll say it's better to list the move effects without that 1/256 chance taken into account. (I believe I've occasionally edited some moves as such already, anyway.) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

::I'll get the rest, then. [[User:Schreiber|Schreiber]] 05:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== The poor quality of the screenshots ==

I don't know if anybody besides me has noticed this at all, but in pretty much every single screenshot that I see, there are these ugly black blocks everywhere... and when I play any Gen IV game on my DS, none of this ugly black junk is there. For example, the in the {{m|Sunny Day}} article, the sun's rays are outlined with black squares everywhere. For another example, in the {{m|Fire Blast}} article, the flame has an outline of black blocks around it. I don't see any black on my DS. The list goes on: there is no shortage of screenshots with black blocks everywhere. It seems that whenever there's supposed to be translucency, it's replaced with black instead, for some reason. It seems that people use some emulator (which, by the way, I personally frown upon using emulators for a current gen system, because that hurts Nintendo) with poor emulation quality. Is it possible that there's a different emulator without this very noticeable flaw, use Gen III screenshots instead (since VisualBoyAdvance DEFINITELY doesn't have this issue), or maybe use a photograph of a real DS? (Although, the latter may be problematic too, but at least it doesn't have the glaring black crap all over every screenshot.) --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 17:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's why I have been uploading replacement screenshots for moves, or at least asking other people to overwrite the bad image these days as I had had enough of the lack of alpha transparency in the screenshots. --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 11:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Partial trapping moves ==

We need a page for partial trapping moves, which i have seen scattered around several articles. I would write it myself, but there is a paradox: i get most of my fandom information from here, and therefore do not know what they are. Does anyone else think we need a page for it? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 [moved here from Bulbapedia talk:Project Fandom —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)]
:Partial trapping is moves like {{m|Wrap}}, {{m|Fire Spin}} and {{m|Whirlpool}} right? If so we have a list of them {{cat|Moves that partially trap|here}} which might help. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, i didn't know about that. I thought we should have a page, a category, or something for them. But we do. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 03:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== One more suggestion ==

An "in Mystery Dungeon" section for move articles. I am aware that spinoffs aren't the focus of this project, but they do work very, very differently in PMD than usually. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:The idea's been thrown around before, but nothing much has come of it (mainly because not a lot of editors have both the technical expertise to make such templates/pages, AND also play the side games). It's something that does need to be documented in some way, however, once we've worked out what exactly is needed, and what place there is for the information. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 22:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== smeargle link battles ==

I've started raising a smeargle team, and I've noticed that when sketch is used in a link battle, any moves that smeargle will learn with sketch are instantly forgotten once the battle is over. This is not on the page for the move sketch, and i thought it would be helpful to anybody raising smeargles to not waste time like I did. ([[User:Anwill08|Anwill08]] 23:56, 30 October 2010 (UTC))
:Just like Focus Sash being restored. I'll add that to Sketch's article for clarity. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Just a little suggestion ==

Since Gen v came out some pages are getting REALLY long, and even aren't complete (breeding),and it will be a nightmare if there's ever a "Generation VI" so i have the idea of putting the option to show the charts, for example... ''i'm playing DP and i want a Pokémon that can learn Aerial Ace by TM40'' so i can show the part that i want --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 17:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:The previous generation movesets aren't currently on the main Pokémon pages. They are on subpages linked to from the Gen V learnset. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::I think Ezekiel is talking about the move articles. We're aware of this problem, and I guess we could shift the older generations off onto subpages at some point... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Old Animation Move Images ==

Do we have room to upload animations of moves from previous generations (i.e. Gen IV)?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 16:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:We should still have all the Gen IV moves on the Archives. I know we also have all the Gen II moves and some Gen III moves. Once we have them from all generations they could probably be added to the infobox. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:Though, if you have animations of the moves, feel free to upload those! Thse are so much better than the static images. (As long as they are in png format) ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 21:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::How am I going so far? Are they alright?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Translations ==

Hi, I'd just like to ask a question. Most of the translations from Japanese in the mouseover text of Generation V moves (e.g. in {{m|Searing Shot|Ball of Flame (move)}}) are very poor grammar-wise. Is it okay to just change these to be grammatically correct, or should this be done by someone who can be certain the meaning matches the original Japanese? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 17:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:They actually aren't particularly poor. Much of the supposed 'poor grammar' is an attempt to convey the nuances of the meaning of the Japanese text. At this point we may as well just wait until the English games come out. It's only about a month away, so it's not a long wait. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Hide and Show "Learnset" ==

In order to reduce the size of the move pages I believe it would be useful to make it so that we can hide and show the Learnset section, OR hide and show each "Generation" subsection, OR hide and show each "By (leveling up, breeding, event)" subsubsection. Anyone agree with me or even have a clue of what I am talking about? {{unsigned|Landfish7}}
:First off, remember to sign you comments with four tildes, [[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]]. On the topic though, I agree with possibly placing some of those in expendable boxes (if that's what you mean). We already have a template for expendale boxes which we use in walkthrough pages. I quite like the idea of not having to scroll down all the time to se the generation that I want.----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:43, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::You still have to load the whole page, though, so you aren't really saving on anything. If you want a specific generation, you could use the table of contents to navigate. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== In The TCG ==
This is just an idea, and I understand if it is deemed unnecessary or just simply unwanted. What are the opinions of an 'In The TCG' section on move pages? This would consist of either a series of links or a small table (also with links) displaying name, set, number of the Pokemon that can use the move. If such a thing were to go ahead I'd be happy to try implementing it myself.
But of course this may be deemed useless information or too cluttery or similar, so I was just wondering if people were for or against the idea... [[User:Nytik|Nytik]] 22:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== In other languages ==

I'd like to know the rules for the "In other languages" section. Apart from the names used in officially translated main series games, what should be there and what should not? I would like to know what I can safely delete. [[User:Nechifor|Nechifor]] 06:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:Official names from any media may be in the ''in other languages'' section. Please be careful when deleting, I know some anime dubs have changed the term used for a certain move over time, the same may be the case for other media. I don't know how much this affects moves and abilities, but there was a case with the Guardian Signs official site where the characters were given names in a language that the games weren't translated into (or if they were, just used the names from another translation). Obviously if there's never been anything officially translated into that language then you can remove it on sight. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. I've seen some [[Ice_Burn_(move)|new]] [[Secret_Sword_(move)|moves]] translated into languages with no localized games nor anime, but I wouldn't know if they have been mentioned in other local media, so I'll leave it be. [[User:Nechifor|Nechifor]] 07:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== PMD data in Move pages ==

I'm not a member, but I figured this would be a good place to ask. Are we putting PMD info on Move pages? Fore example {{m|Heat Wave}} hitting all enemies on the floor, their PP, power (It's different is PMD) and stuff like that. If yes, I could help adding them. --[[User:TheTK|TheTK]][[User talk:TheTK|Talk]]*[[Special:Contributions\TheTK|Edits]] 12:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Categories ==

I think the move infobox template should be edited to where you can put an asterisk after the category if it was a different category prior to Gen IV. For example Hyper Beam was a physical move in Gen I, II, and III, but a special move in Gen IV and V. I think this should be mentioned on the move's article, not just the type article. When I try to add the asterisk, the template makes it come out wrong. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 03:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
:Does anyone have anything to say about this? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Pokémon Rumble Blast ==

In the effect parts of attack pages, can I write the effect in Pokémon Rumble Blast? —{{u|Pokéglare}} <code>:D :P :) XD</code> Happy Dance: <code>°(^o^°) (°^o^°) (°^o^)°</code>
:I don't see any reason not to. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Move pictures ==

Should we upload move images from the Pokémon Rumble series?

—{{u|Pokéglare|Po}}{{ut|Pokéglare|ké}}[[Special:Contributions/Pokéglare|glare]]

Peace! Out!
:Yes, and added to the lower section regarding in different generations. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 04:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

==Breeding tables==
Okay, so they only include level up parents, when it comes to chain breeding though, take for example, Bulbasaur in Gen II, Charm is listed as being chain bred via, Nidorino, Nidoking and the Shroomish family, yet it can also be bred using the Oddish family and Snorlax? --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 04:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

== Suggestion for Ability tables ==

I am not skilled enough at editing to carry this out, but I think the tables on ability pages that show what Pokémon can have a specific Ability should be formatted such that readers do not necessarily need to know when Abilities were introduced. If there were additional lists for each generation, the other abilities Pokémon had in previous generations (if any changed, and I suspect Numel and Camerupt were at least one evolutionary line to do so, but I could be wrong) can also be listed. This would be particularly useful for players who, for example, did not play Generation III or Generation IV games. This could alternatively be accomplished using superscripts that indicate when the Ability became available or stopped being available for that species. Again, I do not know enough about the wikicode to do this myself. Feedback would be appreciated. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 23:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

==I'm joining==

Please add London86editor to the list of contributors {{unsigned|London86editor}}
:You can add your name to the list yourself. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

== Counter, Mirror Coat, and Metal Burst ==

Is there any reason in particular [[Metal Burst]] is not listed as a variation of [[Counter]]/[[Mirror Coat]]? --[[User:V4Victini|V4Victini]] ([[User talk:V4Victini|talk]]) 23:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

== Standardizing moves? ==

I went through [[Additional effects]] and ended up with a classification of secondary effects and a machine-parseable list of moves and their secondary effects ([[User:Raijinili/Side-effects‎|here]]). It's made me think about standardizing move infoboxes and effect descriptions.

For example, the HP draining moves can have their descriptions replaced with
:<nowiki>{{effect/drain|75%}}</nowiki>

And would expand as:

:<nowiki>Draining Kiss does damage and restores the user's HP by 75% of damage dealt.</nowiki>

:<nowiki>If the user is holding a [[Big Root]], the user's HP recovery is instead boosted to 97.5% of the damage dealt. (The Big Root does not increase damage dealt.)</nowiki>

:<nowiki>[[Category:HP-draining moves|75%]]</nowiki>

You can also have, for example, "<nowiki>{{effect-update/confusion|chance=20%}}</nowiki>" to expand to "Dizzy Punch now has a 20% chance of {{status|confusion|tense=gerund}} the target." (which would take care of both added/changed effects and changed percentage chances).

The point of this kind of thing is to make it easier to run bots to collect and correct numbers. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 14:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Proposed new category/page: Moves with Hidden Effects ==

I believe a page should be dedicated to moves with 'hidden effects.' Since at least 2nd gen, there have been moves that have extra effects beyond the ones mentioned in the move's description. I am referring to moves such as Stomp, which does extra damage when the opponent has used Minimize, and Rollout, which starts on level 2 if the pokemon used Defense Curl in the previous turn. There are many others, and I'm sure that a lot of them are not generally known (I for one, only a few minutes ago learned that rock types get a special defense bonus during a Sandstorm). Having an organized page or category for moves like these would help more people learn about these additional benefits. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 17:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Poké Transporter

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== B/W? ==

Does anyone know if this will be exclusive to B2/W2 or will it include original B/W? [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 01:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:BW is mentioned as well, so it will be included. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 02:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::Sweet. Thank you. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 02:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Stardom ==

Does anyone know if pokemon that achieve 'cult star' status at Pokestar Studios will keep their entrance sparkle in X/Y? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 18:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Cresselia (Pokémon)

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== Likeness? ==

How do we know if that character from the new movie has a hairstyle that resembles Cresselia's head. There has to be like, proof for it. A picture of her, maybe?[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 19:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Her page says that her hair is styled to look like the infinity symbol and the only resemblance to Cresselia is the color... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

What makes some people think that Cresselia will be in the 11th movie on [[Infi]]'s page?[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:As stated above, based on the coloration of the girl's hair and Cresselia's crest. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Fabu-Vinny already eliminated the speculation on her page.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== So... when is Cresselia's Platinum Pokedex entry going to be updated? ==

I'm asking since Cresselia's pokedex entry for Platinum has gone untranslated for far too long, IMO, and really needs a translation, quick. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:you have the pokedex description? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::have the pokedex description? I don't even own Platinum (even if I did, I can't read Japanese (the best i can do is basic Hiragina, basic Katakana, and basic romanji.). I was wondering if you guys could get it. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Now that it's on the Japanese branch I'll translate it. That's the only thing I've been waiting for...although I bet most of them are up by now. I'll have to knock them all out one night.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== Special Abilities ==
"She can also heal psychological scars if the sufferer looks at her."
Where was this stated? Granted, I haven't played MD2 or Platinum, so it may have been stated in one of those games, but it certainly isn't in D/P/Ranger 2 '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 01:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

== Blizzard? ==

Can't Cresselia learn Blizzard by TM? I gave mine Blizzard. O_o But it's not on/in the moveset. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 06:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:Weird I deleted Blizzard and now it can't learn it. O_O My bros Cresselia has to I beleive. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 06:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
::Cresselia cannot learn Blizzard according to any website I have seen, nor in my Diamond. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder how mine got {{m|Blizzard}}? Oh well it don't got it anymore. XD. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 16:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==

Is it really female? I thought Legendaries were genderless. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 15:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Necessary? ==

Is it really necessary to put that she can learn Psychic at a higher level than other Pokémon? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] 19:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== name origin ==

I think ''elia'' may just be a feminine ending [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 15:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

== Platinum Sprite Trivia ==

Would it be a good idea if I noted that Cresselia's static sprite has the colors of the arc on its back scrambled? In all official artwork, the thing on its back goes from darker to lighter from bottom to top, but in her sprite on Platinum, the darkest stripe is in the middle and the lightest stripe is at the bottom? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 21:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

== Stat set ==

I believe that in Pokemon: Platinum, Cresselia's Nature and IVs are set when you encounter it at Full Moon Island, despite the fact that you don't actually engage it in battle. I believe this because after saving before going to the island, capturing it, then reseting, the stats and nature changed while, after visiting the island, THEN saving, capturing Cresselia, and reseting, the stats and nature remained the same. Does anyone else have evidence to support this and, if so, is it worth mentioning in the main article? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 06:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Cresselia (Pokémon)

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Talk:Charm (move)

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==Retyping to Fairy type==

I heard a rumor that Charm is gonna be retyped to Fairy type but I can't find any videos or pictures verifying this claim. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 22:44, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:Please don't come to Bulbapedia asking about rumors. '''Until something is verified by official sources, it has no place on Bulbapedia whatsoever.''' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::I apologize. I'll take my question elsewhere. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 00:37, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

The In the Anime section needs to be greatly updated. Many pokemon have used Charm since the list was last updated, especially in the B&W series.

On a related note, has anyone noted any instances of a male pokemon using charm in the series, or has it just been females so far? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 15:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Global Link

2013-12-01T06:06:24Z

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hey we need more info. about this so please put in and its says something in the page for DS i dont know so we neec something im in a USA PC and i cant go to there
--[[User:Jetes123|I luv scizor jetes123]] 18:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The Global Link is now open! ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 19:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Main page top stats? ==

Top 5 Capturing locations, gratitude locations, and save locations. Do we know what these are describing exactly? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:The average amount of Pokemon caught among all players with that area listed, the average number of times saved among all players with that area listed, and the total number of times players with that area listed thanked(or were thanked, not too sure about this one). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 13:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== EZ Mail ==

Hey I was wondering if anyone knows when you send mail to players, like if your in America and your dream pal is in japan would it translate the pre written letter to Japanese for them? I think that would be useful information for this page, so please don't tell me to " take it to the forums." Thanks :D --[[User:Spongeenthusiast|Spongeenthusiast]] 14:47, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

== Cannot Game Sync ==

I can't Game Sync due to extensive traffic.
 
I guess I am not lucky... <:/
 
 
[[User:Pikachu4170|Pikachu4170]] 04:43, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

== Screenshot ==

The current picture of the Pokémon Global Link is outdated in a minor way (in the top-right corner). According to the Date Created information of the screenshot I took a while ago, it changed on or before November 17, 2011. Can anyone provide the exact date? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 22:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

The PGL is confirmed to be [[n:Global Link for Generation V games to shut down Jan. 14|receiving a major revamp]] to support {{pkmn|X and Y}}. Should the page be protected to help regulate edits? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 17:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:I don't like protecting pages. Someone else may decide it is necessary, but unless there is an issue I would rather not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

== Gen IV games ==

Will Nintendo still support Gen IV games GTS? [[User:Aasquasar|Aasquasar]] ([[User talk:Aasquasar|talk]]) 23:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Medal Updates ==

Does your game stats such as medal count on the site update only when you tuck in a pokemon, or does it happen when you wake them up as well? I ask because if it also updates when you wake them up, then that will give B&W players additional time after 12/10/2013 to improve their stats before locking them in. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 06:06, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pleasant Forest (Dream World)

2013-11-04T15:18:35Z

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If someone good with the tables could put the list of pokemon in one, that would be good. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends what is defined for each Pokémon, and what is random. I know IVs and Nature are determined at random, as it can be changed by soft reseting the DS and going back to the Entralink forest to catch them again. The Ponyta I befriended was level 10. Are all the Pokémon other people have befriended level 10, is it randomly decided when encountered in Pleasant Forest, or does it depend on the species? I'm assuming that the gender is determined upon encounter in the Dream World, given it's stated on the friend board. I'm assuming that the befriended Pokémon always have their Dream World abilities.

:Once we know what's static for each species, we can look at repurposing or adjusting another template as required, it'll probably be easier. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::Level isn't really random. Event Pokémon have set ones, like 100 for the DW Arceus. I've had an Aerodactyl at level 12, so it might be area dependent. Not really sure though since most of my Pokémon are still at the forest. Gender, moves, levels are set beforehand, and they always have their DW/hidden abilities. Games depend on the species (or maybe area and species - haven't checked Taillow), so no need to list on every area article. {{tt|*|Has no one else other than me here played the Japanese DW which was out for months?}} [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 01:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

==Befriended Pokémon==
In the intrests of determining what is static for each species, can people post information on the Pokémon they have befrended here please? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

* Ponyta, level 10, male, no held item [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

:No need for this, really. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 01:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Questions to investigate ==

I doubt anyone's gonna have the answers yet; I'm asking this just to put the questions out there for people to consider/investigate.
*Are there only two rare (that is, non-level-up) moves each Pokémon can possible know? If so, we have to remove the extra moveslots in the template.
*Are all Pokémon level 10? Seems like it up to now, though it could always only be in this area, or only those that are unlocked by default. Though, we could generalize at least that "default Pokémon in the Pleasant Forest" are always level 10. Maybe we could omit that field in the template and specify it in text before it.
*Do the two (maybe more) rare moves differ in rarity? I know that the points you earn in a minigame determine if you get more rare moves, but is it random or is one move more difficult to obtain than the other? (For that matter, can you see more than one move on the Pokémon before transferring it to your game? I've only seen one at once, though again, I suck at the minigames.) If they do, we might want to distinguish between them.
*I've heard that females are rarer than males, and that they usually don't come with the rare moves. Can they have the rare moves at all? Or maybe only the least rare one, if there ''is'' a least rare one?
Just for you people to ponder over, maybe someone already knows. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 07:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
#Pokémon always come with 2 moves. +1 more depending on the score (maybe +2 too I think). People may want to know the ordinary moves they always have, so place all four.
#All default ones from the forest, from experience, are level 10. Not sure on later ones since mine are still in my forest. Later areas have higher levels, like my lv 12 Aerodactyl from the sky.
#I think there is a ranking on the moves. For example, I never got Shinx with Night Slash. Only Magnet Rise alone or none.
#From experience on games, males with the attacks are hardest to get. But since you can purposely get very high or very low scores, females tend to be harder to find since they usually go for middle-ish/not-so-low scores. Based on my observation anyway. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 07:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
::Regarding the number of moves, my Sentret has Foresight, Defense Curl, Quick Attack and Covet. Covet was the only move specified by the Dream World as one of its moves (so one of the special ones). Checking Sentret's level up moves, the first three are the moves that a wild level 10 Sentret would have in Generation V (it would also have Scatch, but that was pushed off the moveset by covet). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, and the two (female) Pokémon I've received have no special moves, but have four moves; all four being the ones they'd know at level 10 in the wild. So yeah, I don't think we should include them (in any case, we would include the four normal and two special, or only the two special moves). Also, we really need to make a better template; when we're talking about 20-30ish Pokémon, maybe we could put them in a vertical way à la the [[Team Rocket Grunt (Trainer class)#Pokémon|Pokémon section of Team Rocket Grunt]] (but with more data obviously)... '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:54, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, my female Lickitung had Sleep Talk, which is considered one of the "rare" moves. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 21:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I just came here to say that my female Bellsprout had Seed Bomb, so they can have rare moves. Anyways, we should put in here (or maybe somewhere else) what are the "rare" moves we are getting, to see if we can notice a pattern of some moves rarer than others or something. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 06:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
[[User:Maverick Hunter|Maverick Hunter]] 12:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)All pokémon levels are predeterminated by the game program, and can be found at this place: http://pokemon.maruamyu.net/data/bw/pdw_lv.html . Unova Pokémon are not on this list because they can't be catch on the entralink forest.
::::::1) Whether a Pokemon is male or female is set before you play the minigame, whether this affects the moves it gets at the end I don't know.
::::::2) The move given to a Pokemon depends on the Rank you recieve in the game. Each game has five possible Ranks depending on the score. The moves may also differ across different genders.
::::::3) The Pokemon get one move from the Dream World, and the rest of the moves are their normal moveset. Some moves that Pokemon can get from the Dream World are the normal ones though, for lower-points ranks. Knowing the scores you could match and make a list of what rank is what move.
::::::[[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 13:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh, and the Pokemon you meet (and its gender) determines which game you play. For some Pokemon you can tell their gender just by what game they ask for. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 13:51, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== Inconsistencies ==

I just came back from the Dream World after encountering a Glameow and a Scyther shortly after. I took neither, opting for a female Shinx, but I just checked my Dream World points and my total is currently at 6770. Even if I had this score when I encountered the Scyther and Glameow (I didn't), I still would not have the 7500 total points necessary to find them according to this wiki.

I had a Swadloon tucked in from Black 2.

Edit: In addition, I know I have a Hoppip from the Dream World that I got about a week ago. Same game card, maybe a different Pokemon (can't remember). According to this wiki, Hoppips only appear if the game card connected is Black or White, not Black 2 or White 2.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] ([[User talk:Mackinz|talk]]) 08:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

:Hopip only appears in the Sky, not the Forest for B2W2. In addition, I think the point values between BW and B2W2 actually changed, whih would explain your other inconsistency. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 15:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

::it appears in the pokedex books that all 7,500 point Pokemon in BW, are 5,000 in B2W2. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 19:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

:::This should be edited into the area articles then. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] ([[User talk:Mackinz|talk]]) 00:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

:::: Agreed. Additionally, it's probably safe to assume that all 7,500 point items are also now 5,000 in B2W2. I've gotten shards (cave), a pearl (sea), Great Ball (forest), Dragon Fang (mountain), Spell Tag (manor) and more while between 5,000 and 7,500. Should it default to 5,000 or 7,500? Actually, before that, does anyone know if the pokemon/item point requirements have changed in BW too? [[User:PMIT|PMIT]] ([[User talk:PMIT|talk]]) 00:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

::::: Might it not just be easier to make a table for BW and then a table for BW2 since the point totals are different, there are exclusives, and the minigames for each pokemon are different between games. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 14:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I just played DreamWorld for today. I ran into a male Skitty that wanted to do the Blow Out Candles game, not the Ice Cream Scoop game. I took screen shots of this as I had seen in this article that Skitty would always want to play Ice Cream Scoop. --[[User:Luraj|Luraj]] ([[User talk:Luraj|talk]]) 23:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

== Elekid's game ==

The chart lists Elekid as only appearing with the Sky Race game, but I've only ever encountered him in the Frozen Treat Sweep. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 15:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Mega Evolution/Archive 1

2013-11-03T05:33:37Z

Legionaireb: /* Mega Shinys */ new section

==Ampharos==
This article implies they retconned Ampharos to Dragon-type. As far as I know, he's not; it's the MegaAmpharos who has the Dragon-type... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't notice it. Only if you had reported this 3 minutes ago... [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 14:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== mega evolution ==
Please add that, A new area called the Master Tower is related to Mega Evolutions. --[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 15:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC) add this

== Should the abilities be added? ==

In the chart on the page, should the abilities of the mega evolved formes be added? [[User:MrBananaMan212|MrBananaMan212]] ([[User talk:MrBananaMan212|talk]]) 17:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

:IMHO yes, at least for abilities confirmed different from the species's regular Ability. That would include:
:* {{a|Adaptability}} for Mega Lucario
:* {{a|Insomnia}} for Mega Mewtwo

:Whether or not to include Mega Blaziken/Mawile/Ampharos/Absol is still a matter of debate. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::I'm uncomfortable with adding Abilities because we don't know if it will be their only Ability, or if their Hidden Ability will be different. I think the info needs to be there, we just need to be careful about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Mega Evolution ==

For the sake of completeness.... its Korean name is 메가진화 ''Mega {{tt|Jinhwa|Evolution}}''.
* No analysis needed. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 17:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Request for minor edits... ==

The aspect ratio on Lucario's image seems to be off (Firefox reports it as being scaled up to 150x227, correct size 150x138). Can someone fix that? I'm not sure what to look for in the markup, and of course, the page is currently locked. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's like that because the picture got updated today. It should fix itself soon enough. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:: ''*reloads image*'' I see. Much better. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 03:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Um.. I think all of the normal and mega Pokemon's images have been warped by the table. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 19:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:No, that's happening to all Pokemon articles on all pages. The staff are updating Pokemon images to make them square so they can be used for something (not yet identified) in the future. For now, they appear as though the old images were stretched into the new dimensions. In time, the new images will properly sync and replace them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution Physiology ==

Should we add the appearance of the Mega Evolution forms to the Physiology section of the pages of the Pokemon that have them? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 06:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think that's a good idea. The Pokémon probably don't need completely separate articles since it's closer to fore changes than actual evolution. [[User:Reign|Reign]] ([[User talk:Reign|talk]]) 20:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::We can do it like how we did the Kami trio's forme difference physiology. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Individual Articles ==

If there's a page for Mega Evolutions, why do the individual Pokemon articles aside from Mewtwo not mention their new forms? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:We have to make an extreme amount of modifications to our existing tables and infoboxes in order to accommodate Mega Evolutions. Although we try to be as current and up to date as possible, we also want to only have to mess with the coding for high use templates as few of times as possible, as the wiki will have to force itself to update every single page using the templates, thus causing the site to slow down. We're waiting a little bit to work out all the final kinks to these before implementing them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::Fair enough, but couldn't even a mention and link to the article be made in the intro paragraph? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::I will never understand this site's policies... [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Totally agree. It sometimes seems on wikis (not just this one), that things that would be an easy fix, at least temporarily, until the permanent thing is decided upon are not done, leaving the wiki with outdated information, which will only turn away those who are looking for it, and they will go to other places instead. Furthermore, even though wikis are supposed to be "community encyclopedias", it often seems the mods have all the power in deciding how and when things are to be done, even if several regular users express the wish for things to be different. (Again not talking just about Bulbapedia). I just tell myself it will be fixed eventually, and if things still aren't right, the pages will eventually get unlocked, and I can fix it then. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 14:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:Maybe everything could be working with just a few workarounds, but there is a reason why we are not using them. Previously, there hasn't been a Pokémon who could evolve two times and then temporarily evolve a third time just for battle and revert back its final evolution afterwards. Because of that, the templates were never originally programmed to support more than what was already needed since there was no point in doing so at the time, in addition to potentially and unnecessarily slowing down the wiki if it was added to the template. This is why we are currently waiting on the updated templates. We don't want to treat the Mega Evolutions like they are just a form change, especially for those who do have a form change already present in the games. Not to mention that we want to have everything looking nice and in a way that doesn't cause interference with other parts of the wiki. Templates can be coded to do events that they normally would not have to do, such as adding an article to a category if a specific value is true or passes a certain limit. The Pokémon articles rely heavily on this so that the information can be easily added, confirmed, and automatically replaced if there is an issue or mistake. In addition, Archaic is the webmaster of the site and is in charge with keeping the site running efficiently. After him are the other Webmasters, Werdnae as the Editor-in-Chief, the Editorial Board, the Bureaucrats, and so on. Likely, the members of the staff had to make a decision when the Mega Evolution were revealed to keep all the articles as close as possible as to how they were until the PokémonInfobox template could be updated to support everything that we now know. That way, everything could be tested and corrected before the games were release and it would be checked to prevent interference with other parts of the wiki. So, I would assume that when October comes around, the new PokémonInfobox template should already be up and running, which is the goal since we want everything running before the games come out. Hopefully, this will be able to explain what is going on in the background and why things are proceeding as they are. :) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== More Megas ==

Today the Pokemon website officially released Mega Ampharos, Mega Mawile and Mega Absol. Now could we update their pictures to these instead of the blurry corocoro scans please. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 05:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:They are updated. It takes time for them to update on Bulbapedia. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== DNA Rainbow ==

Shouldn't it be noted that the rainbow colored shape above a Pokemon's head while it mega evolves is the same symbol found on the Japanese logo for X and Y? --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:: The DNA symbol you speak of is the Mega Stone. [[User:Zeta|Zeta]] ([[User talk:Zeta|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Height/weight ==

You may also note that MegaEvo can change {{tt|height and/or weight|Even though it either doesn't change anything, changes both, or changes only weight; no Mega with known weight and height has changed only height}} of the Pokémon. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 07:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Images ==

While I know Serebii is widely considered a fansite, he ''does'' have some new images of the Mega [http://serebii.net/xy/megaampharos.png Ampharos], [http://serebii.net/xy/megamawile.png Mawile], and [http://serebii.net/xy/megaabsol.png Absol] that are better than the scans. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:The high quality artwork of the Mega Evolutions has already been uploaded to the archives, it only takes some time for Bulbapedia's system to recognize the image changes and display the latest version, thus why you still see the low quality scans. It usually takes a couple of days before the correct versions (the high quality artwork) is shown. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 16:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
::It appears that images will update when their size is changed, so I made a minor change to the image sizes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Aha, I see them now. Though, on the topic, I think [http://serebii.net/xy/megakangaskhan.jpg this] might be a better image for Mega Kangaskhan. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 17:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
::::That's hosted by Serebii; we're not allowed to use his stuff. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::Ah, well nevermind then. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Original Ability ==

Could you put the primary abilities that the Pokemon has before the mega evolution to show how it changes. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 09:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know how having a Hidden Ability affects the change, so they will not be put up right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== mega evolution seem similar to something else? ==
Hey not sure if this was the right place to mention this or not, but as a long time fan of Pokemon AND digimon, I cant help but draw similarities between mega evolution, and digivolution from the digimon anime. I only mention this as a matter of curiosity. In the digimon anime, a digimon would digivolve to a higher form during battle, before reverting to they're original form after the battle had ended. I just thought the similarity was worth noting.[[User:Silverfin007|Silverfin007]] ([[User talk:Silverfin007|talk]]) 14:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:It's most likely just a coincidence. They're similar concepts, you know? So unless it's officially stated by Game Freak, that theory should be ignored here, with a possible discussion just on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net the forums] [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 15:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

:It's also similar to characters from Dragonball Z going Super-Saiyan. There's all sorts of things that it could be compared to. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 05:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
And if it was intentional, Toei Animation would probably sue Nintendo for plagiarism. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolving ==

As we now know that Mega Evolution occurs when a Pokémon able to Mega Evolve holds a Mega Stone and a specific button is pressed on-screen during battle, as proved yesterday on the Pokémon Game Show demo version of Pokémon X and y, in a photo that was taken, where the in-battle button was showcased. Should the text that states - "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and meet a currently unspecified other condition." not be changed to "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and the player must select the Mega Evolution button whilst in battle."--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 20:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:No. That was a demo. There is nothing saying that it happens like that in the full game. For all we know, the condition is that it has to be unlocked. I don't think that pressing a button counts as a "condition." [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
::I agree, there could be more requirements and restrictions that need to be uncovered first. With something like that it wouldn't surprise me. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 00:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:::OK, thank you. {{unsigned|ShinyPatch}}

== Demo Mewtwo ==

Has anyone actually gone to the "Pokémon" menu after obtaining the Mewtwo in the demo to see what its Mega Stone is? If they would check its stats to see any increases afterwards, that'd be nice too. I can't seem to find anyone who has, but it seems like it'd be pretty simple to do. For the purposes of getting as much info as possible, perhaps someone with access to a demo who sees this message will give it a try? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 22:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:The demos were only playable during Pokemon Game Show, an event that ended several days ago. I suppose it's worth looking at when the English demo is available at PAX Prime (Aug. 30 to Sept. 2). Basically, I'm trying to tell you, don't hold your breath: if anyone even can do so, it'll take more than a week before they get the opportunity. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
You'd think someone would have thought to look this info up when playing the demos. Then again, the demos are bare bone so you likely don't have the option to look at a Pokémon's states. Although, someone could have at least figured out Sylveon's type match up to some extent. Is anyone on the Bulbapedia staff attending the american event? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:: In [http://youtu.be/5g4c7n6WUO8 this video] of the demo, found on Serebii.Net, the player is given access to the "Pokémon" menu, but the player never does so after obtaining the Mewtwo. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 07:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't exactly have a GOOD source, but according to one user on GameFAQs (again, this isn't at all reliable), the "Summary" option is missing from the Pokémon that you select in your party. So it isn't viewable, if this guy is telling the truth. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 21:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
::::We'll keep a look out for that and see about adding it once a better source comes along. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

== Same thing with Mega Garchomp ==

As I stated for Mega Mewtwo X, I also meant the same for Mega Garchomp

[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 20:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? What did you state? This is the first time you've posted on this talk page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

== Pictures for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp need replacements ==

I don't think my previous comment made it through since someone deleted it. I'm inquiring as the title says. The official Pokemon X & Y website has better resolution pictures of Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp that could be .PNG files. I believe the staff member working on this page can take those pictures and put them in this page for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 17:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
:They've already been updated in the archives. Bulbapedia takes time to update when that happens. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
::Also, as you can see from the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mega_Evolution&action=history page history], you never made a previous comment in the first place. We've been having server errors lately, so it's likely that's why you think you made a comment but it does not exist. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Individual articles for each Mega evolution ==

Should we create individual articles for each Mega Evolution? Since they aren't simple "form changes" like Giratina, Shaymin and Keldeo etc, but a type of evolution, should we treat them as evolutions or should we just put every information on their respective un-Mega Evolved articles? I personally think they could be viable for their own articles if one were to use an altered version of the regular Pokemon pages (like maybe removing sections like Learnsets etc). [[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] ([[User talk:Angela-Samshi|talk]]) 19:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think they need their own articles. They really are pretty similar to form changes since they're afaik once a battle and only last in battle. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
::Mega Evolutions are just powered up versions of already existing Pokemon. They are not their own separate species and don't need their own articles. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I think they should at least have illustrated sub-sections in the Pokémon's articles, since some Mega Evolutions have abilities different from even their Hidden Ability (like Mega Venusaur having Thick Fat), as well as different stats and specs. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
::::We are dealing with that. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

== Link template? ==

Could a link template similar to {{template|Shiny}} or {{template|Shadow}} be created for Mega Pokémon? If possible, I would make make the template look like

<nowiki>[[Mega Evolution|Mega]]{{#if:{{{1|}}}| {{p|{{{1|}}}}}}}</nowiki>

The "1" parameter optional so it could be used on Anime episode articles. What do you guys think? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 13:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

== Might be helpful... ==

It was confirmed that there would be no Kalos mega evolutions, meaning not all starters will get to mega envolve. I'm new dont yell.
[[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 14:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
:* Do you have a link to a source confirming that? Also, people won't yell at you here very often, at the most we will just be really blunt. Comes with the territory of weeding out fan-speculation from the actual facts, as that's what this site tries to focus on. And some people do believe that something that is obvious to them, but not officially confirmed to be true, can pass as a fact; when there is always a chance they can be wrong, but I digress. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::It's from a interview with Masuda. I'll have to try to find a link. Not sure if it needs to be noted however. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 21:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you! X-D Was wondering where that was mentioned, this is what happens when I try to rely on the news page here for my source of updates. LOL ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thanks funktastic for backing me up! [[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 21:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::Torpoleon posted [http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=212598 this] on [[Pokémon Professor]]. It's what you're looking for. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::*Good, thanks. That's all I needed. It now is just a matter of the admins getting the time to add this, but I think they will do that once they get a few more things figured out, including any template updates, 'cause I hear they are trying to sort that out with the way things are changing with the games. (Makes sense, sprites will be replaced with 3D models...maybe, at least for [[Generation VI]] and [[Mega Evolutions]] might have to be implemented somehow, IDK. That's what I think they are gonna have to sort out along with other stuff.) ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

== "Pokémon that Mega Evolve" Category? ==

*This might be a bit premature, but seeing that not all Pokémon Mega Evolve, should there be a category for all the ones that do? Just a suggestion as well. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I personally think there should be a category like that, it'd be very useful. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 01:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== I don't know how to upload pics here... ==
So plz someone who knows, add [http://i.imgur.com/1huQrYY.jpg this] to the article [[User:Sandubadear|Sandubadear]] ([[User talk:Sandubadear|talk]]) 01:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== Misleading information ==

In the paragraph saying that in online battles and the Battle Maison the opponent's Pokemon gets to move first it a false statement. I always lead with my Mega Blastoise there and more often than not out speeds its opponents unless the opposing Pokemon is faster. Also I have watch some wifi battles posted on Youtube and have seen Mega Evolutions move before the opponent.

I think this may need to be changed. --[[User:Zdude0127|Zdude0127]] ([[User talk:Zdude0127|talk]]) 05:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

== 100 BST increase? ==

Alakazam's page claims that Alakazam has a BST of 500, but Mega Alakazam has only 590. Assuming that page is correct, this one isn't. Ampharos also goes from 500 to 610. Those are the only exceptions, so it's entirely possible that there was an error calculating them, but I dunno. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

A lot of the Mega Evolutions on this page don't have a picture/sprite for them. Can someone please put them in? [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 15:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, those are missing because official art for them hasn't yet been released, so we don't have any. I don't know why we aren't using screenshots, but that's why there's no artwork for them, at least. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:13, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Shinys ==

Has anyone tried mega-evolving a Shiny Pokemon yet? I'm very interested in knowing what happens with that. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 05:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Mega Evolution/Archive 1

2013-11-03T05:32:22Z

Legionaireb: /* mega evolution seem similar to something else? */

Lumiose City

2013-10-26T15:42:59Z

Legionaireb: Added the Degas reference to the Trivia section.

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'''Lumiose City''' (Japanese: '''ミアレシティ''' ''Miare City'') is a large city nestled in the north-central part of the [[Kalos]] [[region]]. Standing in the center of the city is a tall tower, which serves as its symbol. The wide roadways are paved with brick and cobblestone, allowing both automobile and {{p|Gogoat}} traffic safe and easy travel.

== Places of interest ==
=== Prism Tower ===
{{main|Lumiose Gym}}
Prism Tower is a large tower located in Centrico Plaza in the middle of Lumiose City. It houses the [[Lumiose Gym|Lumiose City Gym]]. Prism Tower is based on the real-world Eiffel Tower in Paris, France.

=== North Boulevard ===
==== Lumiose Galettes ====
A small shop located amongst the tall buildings on the North Boulevard where the player can purchase {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lumiose Gallette}}s for {{pdollar}}80 for one hour starting at 3am, 9am, 3pm and 9pm. Once per day upon purchasing, the player will also receive a {{DL|Drink|Moomoo Milk}}.
==== Lumiose Museum ====
A large, white building that houses many paintings of people and locations in the Pokémon World. Entrance is free, but audio guides are available for {{pdollar}}200 (once the player reaches a certain level of stylishness, the audio guides become free).
==== Hotel Richissime ====
A large, gray building on the North Boulevard. A lady at the reception desk in the lobby will offer the player the opportunity to work at the museum on room service, making beds and/or lost and found. Each talk can be completed once per day and the player is given up to {{pdollar}}2000 per task.
==== Battle Institute ====
The Battle Institute (Japanese: '''トライアルハウス''' ''Trial House'') on the North Boulevard works in the same way as the one in [[Nimbasa City]] in [[Unova]]. The player can opt for a Battle Test (five consecutive single or double battles) or a Download Test (which can be downloaded either wirelessly or via Wi-Fi at certain time, similar to event Pokémon). The player can win [[Battle Point|BP]] here.
==== Lumiose Station ====
A very large train train station located on the far eastern half of the North Boulevard. Upon defeating the Elite Four and becoming the Champion, Professor Sycamore will meet the player here and give them the {{DL|List of key items in Generation VI|TMV Pass}} which allows them to board the train to [[Kiloude City]].
==== Looker Bureau ====
[[Looker]]'s headquarters during the post-game storyline. It is located in a narrow street between the North Boulevard and Rouge Plaza.

=== South Boulevard ===
[[File:XY Prerelease Lumiose City.png|thumb|right|300px|A pre-release screenshot of Estival Avenue]]
==== PR Video Studio ====
A purple building on the South Boulevard where Trainer PR Videos are filmed. PR Videos filmed here can be shared with passers-by and people who have been given the player's Nintendo 3DS friend code.
==== Sycamore Pokémon Lab ====
[[Professor Sycamore]]'s Pokémon research lab is located directly opposite Vernal Avenue. It is here where the player can recieve either {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}} or {{p|Squirtle}} upon defeating Professor Sycamore in a Pokémon Battle early in the game.
====Coiffure Clips ====
A small hair dressing salon located opposite the {{rt|5|Kalos}} entrance. The player can have their hair colored and styled here. More styling options become available once the player reaches a certain level of stylishness.

=== Autumnal Avenue ===
==== Poké Ball Boutique ====
A speciality shop that specialises in different kinds of [[Poké Ball]]s. It is notably the only location in any Pokémon game where {{DL|Poké Ball|Premier Ball}}s are sold individually.
==== Juice Shoppe ====
A speciality shop that sells juices made from [[Berry|Berries]]. Two options are available: pre-made juices, available from the man on the left, or custom-blend juices from the lady on the right, made by mixing selected Berries from the player's bag.
=== Estival Avenue ===
==== Loto-ID Center ====
{{main|Pokémon Lottery Corner}}
A shop located on Estival Avenue. Each day, the player may participate in a lottery draw, and prizes are granted depending on the how many digits from a randomly generated ID number match those of any Pokémon in the player's possession.
==== Lumiose Press ====
A building located next to the Loto-ID Cener on Estival Avenue. A lady inside will recommend various locations around the City for the player to visit, and offer to take them there.

=== Vernal Avenue ===
==== Friseur Furfrou ====
A shop on Vernal Avenue that specialises in {{p|Furfrou}} haircuts. They offer Star Trims, Diamond Trims and Heart Trims. As the player progresses, more trims that become available are La Reine trims, Kabuki Trims, Pharaoh Trims, Debutante Trims, Matron Trims and Dandy Trims.

==== Herborisite ====
A speciality shop that sells [[herbal medicines]].
==== Stone Emporium ====
A speciality shop that sells [[evolutionary stones]]. A man in the store will offer to sell the player the remaining [[Mega Stone]]s for the two [[Generation I]] [[starter Pokémon]] they did not choose. The prices of the Mega Stones begin at {{pdollar}}1,000,000, but the man will sell them for as as low as {{pdollar}}10,000 depending on the player's stylishness.
==== Boutique Couture ====
A fancy fashion boutique. The player is only granted access to the boutique once their stylishness reaches a certain level. The clothes and accessories are sold here for a much higher price than those sold at the other boutiques across Kalos. A lady in the store mentions to the player that there is a special discount coupon that can be used at the store, however, this item's whereabouts is currently unknown.

=== Lysandre's Café ===
[[File:XY Riding Gogoat.png|thumb|right|300px|Artwork of Calem riding the Gogoat Shuttle]]
{{main|Lysandre Labs}}
A red café located near Magenta Plaza. It grants the player access to Lysandre Labs, one of [[Team Flare]]'s hideouts in the Kalos region. Despite the small size, it serves as an important location in both the main plot line and the after story sideline plot with Dr. Xerosic

=== Lumi Cab ===
A taxi service with stops located all around Lumiose City. They enable the player to travel directly to certain locations around the city.

=== Gogoat Shuttle ===
Signposts located all around Lumiose City, where the play can hire a {{p|Gogoat}} that will take them to a specified location.

==Poké Mart==
{{shop|South Boulevard}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM78|10,000|PD||TM Ground|Bulldoze}}|{{shopitem|TM76|10,000|PD||TM Bug|Struggle Bug}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM75|10,000|PD||TM Normal|Swords Dance}}|{{shopitem|TM11|50,000|PD||TM Fire|Sunny Day}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM18|50,000|PD||TM Water|Rain Dance}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

==Items==
===South Boulevard===
{{Itlisth|city}}
{{Itemlist|None|PR Video Studio|X=yes|y=yes|display={{DL|List of key items in Generation VI|Lens Case}}}}
{{Itemlist|Quick Ball|From a man in the second floor of the building across the street from Shutterbug Café|X=yes|y=yes|display={{Ball|Quick}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Timer Ball|From a man in the second floor of the building across the street from Shutterbug Café|X=yes|y=yes|display={{Ball|Timer}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Quick Claw|From a girl in the first floor of the building across the street from Shutterbug Café|X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|In-battle effect item|Quick Claw}}}}
{{Itemlist|Tiny Mushroom||X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|Valuable item|Tiny Mushroom}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|From Lisa upon entering Lumiose City|X=yes|y=yes|display={{TM|27|Return}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|city}}

====Professor Sycamore's Lab====
{{Itlisth|building}}
{{Itemlist|Luxury Ball|From a scientist on the second floor|X=yes|y=yes|display={{Ball|Luxury}} ×5}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|From a scientist on the third floor|X=yes|y=yes|display={{TM|54|False Swipe}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|From Professor Sycamore if Bulbasaur is chosen|X=yes|y=yes|display={{DL|Mega Stone|Venusaurite}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|From Professor Sycamore if Charmander is chosen|X=yes|y=no|display=[[Mega Stone|Charizardite X]]}}
{{Itemlist|None|From Professor Sycamore if Charmander is chosen|X=no|y=yes|display=[[Mega Stone|Charizardite Y]]}}
{{Itemlist|None|From Professor Sycamore if Squirtle is chosen|X=yes|y=yes|display=[[Mega Stone|Blastoisenite]]}}
{{Itemlist|Poké Radar|From a scientist on the second floor after defeating the Elite Four|X=yes|y=yes|display=[[Poké Radar]]}}
{{Itlistfoot|building}}

===North Boulevard===
====Lumiose Station====
{{Itlisth|city}}
{{Itemlist|None|From Professor Sycamore after defeating the Elite Four|X=yes|y=yes|display={{key|VI|TMV Pass}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|city}}

====Lumiose Museum====
{{Itlisth|building}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dragon|1F|X=yes|y=yes|display={{TM|82|Dragon Tail}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|building}}

===Central Boulevard===
{{Itlisth|city}}
{{Itemlist|Expert Belt||X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|In-battle effect item|Expert Belt}}}}
{{Itemlist|Luxury Ball||X=yes|y=yes|display={{Ball|Luxury}}}}
{{Itemlist|Heal Ball||X=yes|y=yes|display={{Ball|Heal}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Prism Scale||X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|Evolution-inducing held item|Prism Scale}}}}
{{Itemlist|Protein||X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|Vitamin|Protein}}}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece||X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|Valuable item|Star Piece}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal||X=yes|y=yes|display={{TM|49|Echoed Voice}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|city}}

====Lysandre Café====
{{Itlisth|building}}
{{Itemlist|King's Rock|From Lysandre after defeating Clemont|X=yes|y=yes|display={{dl|Evolution-inducing held item|King's Rock}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|building}}

===Parade===
{{Itlisth|city}}
{{Itemlist|None|From Professor Sycamore during the parade|X=yes|y=yes|display={{key|VI|Honor of Kalos}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|city}}

==Herb Store==
{|
| valign=top | {{shop|Generation VI}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Heal Powder|450}}|{{shopitem|EnergyPowder|500}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Energy Root|800}}|{{shopitem|Revival Herb|2800}}}}
{{shopfooter}}
|}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|building|2}}
{{catch/div|building|Gift Pokémon}}
{{catch/entry6|001|Bulbasaur|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Can only choose one of the three}}|type1=grass|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry6|004|Charmander|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Can only choose one of the three}}|type1=fire}}
{{catch/entry6|007|Squirtle|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Can only choose one of the three}}|type1=water}}
{{catch/footer|building}}

==Trainers==
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{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Punk Guy.png|Punk Guy|Faust|800|1|093|Haunter|♂|30|None|36=メルド|37=Merde}}
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{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Garcon.png|Garçon|Kamaboko|600|1|444|Gabite|♂|30|None|36=ベリーニ|37=Bellini}}
{{trainerfooter|city|6}}

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|move3=Bubble|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Withdraw|move4type=Water|move4cat=Status}}}}
{{-}}

===Bleu Plaza===
{{trainerheader|city}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Owner.png|Owner|Toro|600|1|660|Diggersby|♂|30|None|36=スケゾウ|37=Sukezō}}
{{trainerfooter|city|6}}

===Lysandre Café===
{{trainerheader|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Waiter Team Flare Grunt.png|Team Flare Grunt||1840|1|560|Scrafty|♂|46|None}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Waitress Team Flare Grunt.png|Team Flare Grunt||1840|1|510|Liepard|♀|46|None}}
{{trainerfooter|building|6}}

===Parade===
{{Party
|color={{kalos color}}
|headcolor={{kalos color light}}
|bordercolor={{kalos color dark}}
|sprite=None.png
|prize=N/A
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|AZ}}
|game={{color2|000|Pokémon X and Y|X and Y}}
|location=Lumiose City
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/6
|ndex=324
|pokemon=Torkoal
|level=60
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=White Smoke
|move1=Stone Edge|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Lava Plume|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/6
|ndex=623
|pokemon=Golurk
|level=60
|gender=none
|type1=Ground
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Unknown}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/6
|ndex=561
|pokemon=Sigilyph
|level=60
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Psychic|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Special
|move2=Cosmic Power|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Status}}
}}

===South Boulevard alleyway===
{{trainerheader|city}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Preschooler F.png|Preschooler|Natalie|848|2|220|Swinub|♀|53|None|438|Bonsly|♀|53|None}}
{{trainerdiv|city}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Preschooler F.png|Preschooler|Lily|880|1|174|Igglybuff|♀|55|None}}
{{trainerdiv|city}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Schoolgirl.png|Schoolgirl|Callie|1696|3|078|Rapidash|♀|53|None|542|Leavanny|♀|53|None|099|Kingler|♀|53|None}}
{{trainerdiv|city}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr XY Schoolboy.png|Schoolboy|Macon|1792|1|442|Spiritomb|♂|56|None}}
{{trainerfooter|city|6}}

==Trivia==
* Many locations around the [[Pokémon world]] are featured in various paintings inside the Lumiose Museum.
** One particular painting on the top floor is likely a reference to {{wp|Leonardo da Vinci}}. The audio guide describes the painting's artist as a polymath, and the painting itself is similar in appearance to many of da Vinci's red chalk drawings.
** An Espurr who appears on the third floor of the museum responds with 'De-gahh!' when interacted with. This could be a reference to French Impressionist Edgar Degas, the famous sculptor and painter.
* A woman beside Café Bataille explains that the two {{p|Skiddo}} in front of Lumiose Station were abandoned by their Trainer, and wait by the station for his return. This is a possible reference to the story of {{wp|Hachikō}}, an Akita dog who waited at the train station every day for his owner's return, even after his unexpected death. The story is a popular legend in Japanese culture,

===Glitches===
[[File:Lumiose City Save Glitch Map.png|thumb|Map of Lumiose City by Nintendo indicating areas unsafe to load saves in]]
At the time of release of {{g|X and Y}}, many players reported being unable to move after loading a save within Lumiose City. According to Nintendo.com, if the player saves the game in certain areas of Lumiose City, then ends the game, the controls will not respond when the saved game is reloaded. They provided a map indicating known areas where the glitch can occur, which includes the entire outer boulevards. On October 25th, 2013, Nintendo released a patch for this glitch via the Nintendo eShop.

==Origin==
Lumiose City and [[Prism Tower]] are based on {{wp|Paris}} and the {{wp|Eiffel Tower}} respectively.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background: #EF4135; border: 3px solid #0055A4"
|-
! style="{{roundytl}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ミアレシティ ''Miare City''
| Possibly from 御生れ ''miare'', advent of a deity
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Lumiose City
| From Paris's nickname ''La Ville-Lumière'' (The City of Light), ''grandiose'', and possibly ''rose''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Illumis
| From ''La Ville-Lumière'', ''Paris'', ''{{wp|Lumia (art)|lumia}}'', and possibly ''illuminer'' (illuminate)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Illumina City
| From ''La Ville-Lumière'', ''lumia'', and possibly ''illuminieren'' (illuminate)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Luminopoli
| From ''La Ville-Lumière'', ''lumia'', and ''luminoso'' (bright, luminous)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Luminalia
| From ''La Ville-Lumière'', ''lumia'', and possibly ''luminoso'' (bright, luminous) or ''iluminar'' (illuminate)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 미르시티 ''Mireu City''
| Possibly from ''{{wp|myrrh}}''. Also the native Korean word for ''{{wp|Korean dragon|dragon}}''

|}
{{-}}

==References==
<references/>

{{-}}
{{Kalos}} 
{{stub|Location|Town}} 
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Kalos locations]]
[[Category:X and Y locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Illumina City]]

[[fr:Illumis]]
[[it:Luminopoli]]
[[ja:ミアレシティ]]
[[zh:米亚雷市]]

Talk:Pokémon Egg

2013-09-24T19:52:27Z

Legionaireb: /* Shiny Eggs */

== Capitalization ==

I'm seeing that "Egg" is written with initial caps. However, too many articles link to this... Is it possible that I'm basing myself on too few occurrences? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 04:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

If we added a section called "Notable Eggs", ask TTE to put Darkeiya in (Just a joke). [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani475.gif '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]'''
[[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 06:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, but I didn't understand the joke :P. Anyway, I saw again an ocurrence of the word "Egg" in the game, so I'm moving this if no one minds. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
::TTE calls Darkeiya an 'egg' '''[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|PH34R]][[User:Optimus35|Иван]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♫]]''' 09:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, I get it. I should get on the Bulbagarden forums more often or wherever it happened.
:::As for the move I was willing to do, I backed off because the "eggs" in Snap aren't necessarily like "Eggs" in that a Trainer could make them hatch when having them in their party. So I only capitalized the ocurrences of "egg" that refer to "Egg" as in the definition from the [[Generation II]] onwards. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==Genders==

How does the gender of the hatched pokemon is determined?
:There's a percent chance of it being one gender or the other (usually 50-50, but there's been things like 85 male-15 female, etc.). There's no way you as a player can control it.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::Is the gender determined after the egg is generated, or after I take the egg from the Day Care? [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 08:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Shiny chance in English Crystal ==

...it's only 12.5? I've definetly seen a lot of different sites/people say 50%... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's 50% in the Japanese Crystal, but for whatever reason it was reduced in the English version, as [[Meowth346]] proved. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 19:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Channel==
There is an egg guessing game, called "Eggzamination: Hatch Up!" Do you think this should be noted here? [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 18:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sugimori art species ==

Mooites, if you can find a source that states it to be Pichu that would be great. I'm personally fine with leaving it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_egg&oldid=487952 as it is now] temporarily, but considering we already know one is a Togepi it would be nice if we could confirm the other as either Pichu or Elekid. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:This Egg from Sugimori Artwork appears in Puzzle Challenge as Elekid's egg. It's Elekid's. Pichu's Egg looks different. It was shown in the anime and the mangas (Special and Golden Boys) - it was Yellow with a black thing on the bottom. The one from Sugimori's artwork is definitely Elekid. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

==Mystery Dungeon 2==
in Mystery Dungeon 2, is the eggs counted in steps or days?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 06:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Ekans's pokedex entry ==

I think it was the first time a pokémon egg were quoted on games.

"Eats the eggs of birds, such as Pidgey and Spearow, whole.", "...searching for its favorite food--Pidgey and Spearow eggs."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 03:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Bad Eggs? ==

Why don't Bad Eggs get a link to their article, or at least a mention on this page? They seem to be a integral part of the history of Pokémon Eggs in the games. --[[User:Alex S.|Alex S.]] 23:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

What are 'bad eggs'? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:See [[bad egg]]. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Egg as a separate species ==

As I'm sure many of you know, Egg and BAD Egg are separate species, 494 and 495 in DPPt respectively. Is this relevant enough to give them their own separate articles? I mean, most other glitch pokemon have their own articles. I calculated that both of their base stat total is 10 all around, giving them the o=lowest base stat total of 60, they are both normal types, they can only learn splash through level up and neither are compatible with any TM or HM. Additionally, in platinum, Egg's in game cry is identical to that of Shaymin Sky Forme. Both of their menu sprites appear as in both the party and PC. Skaisdead 16:33 June 22 2009
:The egg is counted as a "separate species" as much as Wormadam Sandy Cloak and Trash Cloak are from Wormadam Plant Cloak, Giratina Origin Forme is from Giratina Altered Forme, Shaymin Sky Forme is from Shaymin Land Forme, and Heat, Wash, Fan, Frost, and Mow Rotom are from normal Rotom. It's just a case of game programming, much like how {{m|--}} appears in some movesets listed: it's a case of programming things so that they work well together. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe so, but do Giratina-O and Shaymin-S have their own individual nationaldex number? Wormadam and Shellos are better examples as they exist permanently in their separate forms, but even still, they are the same pokemon. Skaisdead 22:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::That's not their '''NDex''' number, that's their '''''index''''' number. 494's used in the same way that 253 was used in GSC: to tell the game "THIS IS AN EGG SO SHOW THE EGG STATUS SCREEN". As for whether the altformes have their own index numbers: yep. They do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Egg Shells? ==

I'm just wondering, as seen in the anime, when a Pokémon comes out of its egg, the "shell" of the egg itself disappears... Where does it go? Hmm...[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:In cases as with May's Eevee, the egg itself becomes the new Pokémon. You could ask a similar point with evolution, i.e. "where does the old skin go?", but it's essentially the same thing.--[[User:Oz|Oz]] 10:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

== Is odd egg shinyness predetermined? ==

is it decided when you start the game?
: It's not. I tried to get a Magby from it, and after a bunch of normal Smoochums, Cleffas and an Igglybuff, I got a shiny Elekid. (Keeping it, too.) I don't know if the shininess is fixed when you receive the egg or when it hatches, though.

::That would be determined when you get the egg. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==HGSS Primo==
There are eggs that can be obtained from Primo with the right code. So far Mareep, Wooper, and Slugma can be obtained. I woulld note it but i don't have HGSS, so idk if there's anything special about them [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 03:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== Possible new hatching mechanics? ==

Been playing SS for a while now, and just got back into breeding. Been breeding a Pikachu with a Ditto just to get a shiny Pichu (which requires 21 cycles to hatch), and as soon as I get the egg, it says "It appears to move occasionally. It may be close to hatching." Due to the information stated under mechanics, this message would appear when there's 5-9 cycles left. I'll look into it more for when it changes to "It's making sounds!"
:After checking every 85 steps (goldenrod north gate straight down til you hit the water's edge by the day care), The egg changed status to "it's making sounds!" after 1630 steps, or a little more than 6 cycles. The egg hatched after 3410 steps, or about 13 cycles. My conclusion is that they changed the cycles from 255 (and 256 does not create a rounded number, either). Edit: 3410 is the definite number at which Pichu hatched.[[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 21:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Did you have a Pokémon with [[Flame Body]] in your party? Also a change in the number of steps per cycle is not the only conclusion to draw—it could be a change in the number of cycles for hatching Pichu. [[User:AsbestosBill|AsbestosBill]] 17:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
::Just realized this is really old. I guess nothing came of it? [[User:AsbestosBill|AsbestosBill]] 17:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Sinjoh Ruins Event ==

During the Sinjoh Ruins event, Arceus is shown creating a Pokemon Egg. Should this be mentioned? [[User:AdamRS92|AdamRS92]] 01:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Egg Design Trivia ==

I've just added the following trivia, which I believe to be correct:

:''The eggs of {{p|Elekid}} and {{p|Magby}} are the only eggs which designs depict those of the Pokémon's {{p|Electabuzz|evolved}} {{p|Magmar|form}}, rather than the Pokémon it directly hatches into.''

Could someone double check this? Thanks in advance.
'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== [[Pal Park]] ==

Is it possible to transfer an egg via [[Pal Park]] or [[Poké Transfer]]? If it is true, some Pokémon may obtain new [[ability]] before it is hatched, especially for new ability for single ability. Thanks! ~~ [[Special:Random|'''AKUro?''']] [[User talk:Akurochan|あくロ]][[Special:Contributions/Akurochan|ちゃん]] 02:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

: No, it is not. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 02:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
: And my apologies for apparently shaving off half your sig. I don't know how that happened, but I blame my wonky mouse that has a habit of selecting things I don't want selecting and not selecting those things I do. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Odd Egg Gender ==

I have been hatching the Odd Egg for a shiny one, and I noticed that it always seems to be female. Is the Odd Egg always female, or is that just bad luck? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Jdthebud}} ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jdthebud|contribs]]) ''
:I've wondered about that myself. In all my years of restarting Crystal and playing through it, not once did I ever get a male Pokemon from the Odd Egg (never even got a Tyrogue). - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
::IIRC, the IVs are predetermined and have two possibilities: 0/0/0/0 (yes, you read that right) and 2/10/10/10 (this makes it shiny). As gender is based on the Attack IV, odd eggs will be indeed female for most Pokémon (except for Tyrogue). --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 22:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Trade Room ==

Can eggs be hatched in the trade center in generation 3? If so, what would it say in the info for where the pokemon was encountered? I am very curious... [[User:Nokota|Nokota]] 01:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

== Double Hatch? ==

Sometimes when I am hatching eggs a lot an egg hatches, then I take one step and another hatches! This happens a lot, at least 4 times already. I thought you have to take 256 steps before another would hatch... Does anyone know how this is possible? [[User:Mastergiygas11|MasterGiygas]] 02:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:This is probably from a number of factors. But most likely its because the game can't play two egg hatching cutscenes at the same time, so it requires one more step in order to do it again. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 02:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::When two or more Eggs would hatch at the same time, only one does and the other Egg hatches on the next step (or repeats the process again if you have more than two). I thought that was in the article. I'm pretty sure I've seen it somewhere on Bulbapedia. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== Pink egg ==
Any confirmation that this egg is really Slowpoke's? [[User:Ruxax|Ruxax]] 08:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:Could you give us a link to the egg? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 17:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
[[File:Slowpoke Egg.png]]
::He mean this egg. There's no other Pokémon it could possibly be, but as there's no distinguishing symbols on it, it cant be 100% confirmed. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Dummy Eggs ==

In the anime section, it mentioned "Dummy Eggs." Does this mean eggs that weren't actually eggs or eggs that have unused designs?[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 17:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:They arent real eggs, they're just toys (can't think of a better word to describe them). [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Check if egg will hatch Shiny or not ==

Is this check performed when egg is received or hatched? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
:Received, as this is when the [[personality value]] is set. However, since Shininess also depends on the Trainer ID, trading it to a different person as an Egg also affects if it will be Shiny or not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Egg Cycle mechanics ==

It is mentioned that receiving or hatching an egg reduces the egg cycle count for all eggs in your party, but after some experimentation, I have a couple things to add to that: '''#1''', When this happens, it resets the step counter for each egg to zero. '''#2''', if the eggs would hatch, the cycle count is instead set to 1 ''and'' the step counter is reset. This means that if you have an egg that is one step away from hatching, and another that is two steps away, when you take a step, the first egg will hatch and the second will take an additional 255 steps. '''#3''', If two eggs would hatch at the same time, the first in the party hatches, resetting the other to 1 cycle with 255 steps to go.
| . . . p . . . |
My research was done in Pearl by walking a certain number of steps with an egg, then depositing it in a box until I was able to have an entire party of eggs with very similar egg cycle counts. After the first one hatched, each additional one took exactly 255 steps. Additionally, on a separate occasion, I had a group of eggs I was trying to get closer together in terms of hatching time, though much less systematically. I took note of the order in which they hatched (2,1,3,4,5), then reset the game. I deposited the first hatcher (#2), thinking I would put some extra time on the others and bring the it back into my party. However, as I left the PC, an egg that should not have been due (#3) hatched almost immediately. This supports my above theories: When I let #2 hatch in the first playthrough, it reset the step counter of all eggs and decreased the egg ''cycles'' of them by 1—''except #3'', for which it was set from 1 with a few steps left to 1 with 255 steps left. Presumably, egg #1 was also set to 1 egg cycle with 255 steps, which would suggest that eggs set to hatch at the same time are hatched in order of party position with the other(s) being reset.
| . . . p . . . |
Additional research should be easy to do, now that there are a few working hypotheses. If anyone can posit an alternative set of conclusions to draw from the information I provided, I'd be interested in hearing it. — [[User:AsbestosBill|AsbestosBill]] 17:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Language Clearup ==
"In Ruby and Sapphire, there was a minor bug when Pokémon hatched '''from an Egg in another game was traded to either game'''. '''When so is done,''' the "Egg" that '''appears after the location where the Egg hatched in the summary''' will change to "met" when traded to Ruby or Sapphire. This bug was fixed in Pokémon Emerald."
Can somebody fix the phrasing in this, please? I'm not quite sure what its supposed to say. 0.o;

Also, a bit random, but didn't Eggs have a very quiet "cry" in GenII that hasn't been used since?[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 13:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

== Iris's Axew ==

Wasn't he hatched from an Egg?
[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 15:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:Axew was never hatched from an egg onscreen. Iris met Axew after it was hatched already. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 15:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::But its still needed to be noted Misty's azurill is the same and its on the article [[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 17:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Every Pokemon hatched from an egg. [[Ash's Pikachu]] did, just not onscreen. [[File:Ani154MS.png]][[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|~Bisumito~]][[File:Ani357MS.png]] [[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|Tell me something.]] [[Special:Contributions/BisumitoIsSnazzy|How have i helped BP?]] 15:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

== Moves ==

When an egg is hatched, what determines its moves? What priority do Egg moves, starting moves, and TM/HM moves have over each other? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:It starts off with the moves it would know at level 1, then it adds the fathers moves like the Daycare does—first-in-first-out, adding to the bottom of the move lists. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Egg hatching animation ==

You know how the first image on [[evolution]] is a Bulbasaur evolving? Can someone make a Bulbasaur hatching animation? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Eggs ==

Do Eggs have shiny sprites, and thus, can you see before they hatch if the pokemon is shiny? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 20:00, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
::Crud. Thanks for the answer. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 19:52, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Psych Up (move)

2013-09-24T19:50:55Z

Legionaireb: /* Psych Up and previous increases */ new section

==Vulpix/Ninetales==

That's weird. Vulpix can be bred with Psych Up but both Pokémon aren't under the Move Tutor? Please confirm since I haven't finished the game yet. ^^;

--[[User:SoulEclipse|SoulEclipse]] 10:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
:Well, it's the same with Psyduck/Golduck before Gen IV. Neither could learn {{m|Psychic}} via TM, but Psyduck could be bred it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

== Psych Up and previous increases ==

Does a Psych Up replace previous stat increases or add to them? For example, if my Musharna uses Calm Mind (+1 level to Special Attack and Special Defense), then uses Psych Up to copy the opponent's Curse (+1 level to Attack and Defense, -1 to speed), is the final result the same as if Musharna had used both moves (+1 to Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense, and -1 to Speed) or just Curse? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 19:50, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Egg

2013-09-11T20:00:04Z

Legionaireb: /* Shiny Eggs */ new section

Talk:Mystery Doors of the Magical Land Series

2013-09-09T18:52:52Z

Legionaireb: /* KO by Poison */ new section

== KO by Poison ==

When you're using the rental pokemon, does it still count as 'Knocking out the opponent with Astonish' if it falls to poison, but the move you used in the last turn was Astonish? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 18:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Kyurem (Pokémon)

2013-08-02T05:33:20Z

Legionaireb: /* Exp, EV, and the DNA Splicer */ new section

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==Third version==
Before anyone else decides to talk about it, yeah, I'm pretty much gonna guarantee it being the mascot of BW's third version. No further discussion on this. Until we get the announcement and boxart. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
:Unfair. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_unique_type_combinations&action=historysubmit&diff=1189335&oldid=1189330 I already did that].--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

What will be the name of the third game?
- Pokémon White Version Reshiram
- Pokémon Black Version Zekrom
- Pokémon Grey Version Kyurem

It could be, don't ya think?Sakas 19:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe
:Didn't TTE just say "no further discussion on this"? That's speculation and belongs on the forums, not here. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

You are bad for people. You want something related to "discussion" you'll have it: Where is the Official artwork of Ken Sugimori? Happy? {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:There is no Sugimori artwork yet for the non-pre-release Pokemon. But that doesn't belong here on Kyurem's talk. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

==Norse==
"It may also be based on the {{wp|Wyvern}} of {{wp|Norse}} mythology, said to wreck havoc in {{wp|Ragnarök}}, the end of the world, should it melt from the ice it was imprisoned in."

That's what I've been told. Anyone able to confirm/dismiss that? {{unsigned|Yurtablemoron}}
:Nope, not true. - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's basically what Reshiram is (minus the ice) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the norsh myth theory also perhaps it has connections to Fimbulvetr? The harsh winter where men will wage ceaseless war against each other
and brothers will kill each other= the two brothers using Regish and Zec sound plausible? [[User:Frosslass|Frosslass]] 12:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Overworld Sprite==
I don't think this sentence in the physiology section is necessary: "It should be noted that on its overworld sprite, the left part of its overall bodyparts is somehow broken and smaller than the right part." The smaller part is correct, sure, but it isn't broken--it's just smaller because of the perspective. Same goes for its forward-facing battle sprite. At the very least, "overall bodyparts" should be changed to just "body." [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Feelings? ==

Out of curiosity, how is Kyurem a "Feelings Pokémon"? I think that 境界 ''kyoukai'' (boundary) would make more sense than 胸懐 ''kyoukai'' (heart/feelings). Though, there's the possibility that "Kyoukai" could be from 鏡 ''kyou'' (mirror) and 灰 ''kai'' (gray/grey/ash/griseous). [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 08:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:The in-game description, according to Veekun, is きょうかい . Compare it to Reshiram's はくよう (white yang) and Zekrom's こくいん (black yin), and we may find something. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 06:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Kyurem Origin ==

As Zekrom and Reshiram are both based on types of energy, is it possible that Kyurem is based on {{wp|Cold Fusion}}? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 07:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:Sigh... Cold Fusion has nothing to do with ice. It's a theoretical variation on a typical fusion reaction which can be done at or near ROOM TEMPERATURE. I removed this origin already, but it keeps getting added. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Kyurem's page says that it '''is''' an extraterrestrial Pokemon. But it isn't expressly stated that he arrived on that meteor- it's only a legend, same as Clefairy. Neither is there any mention of Kyurem's name in the game when discussing it. Shouldn't it say "'''may be''' an extraterrestrial Pokemon", or something similar? [[User:Soma K.|Soma K.]] 21:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem's Tail Resembles..... ==
- Reshiram's Tail resembles a Jet Engine
- Zekrom's Tail resembles an Electric Generator

But we still don't know what Kyurem's tail looks like. Any ideas?[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
:A Plug! look at how it's shaped and then look at the lightbulb things on it's wings [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't looks like one to me. :/ [[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 08:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::: Looks like a plug to me - it's got [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/22/Spr_b_g5_646.png three] prongs, like [http://www.advin.com/plug-USA-W512.JPG this]. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 15:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not quite like that image, it does have three prongs though it looks more like one of those plastic pizza tables they use to hold the box up then a plug... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 19:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
:::: Could be a bunch of icicles (imagine the tail pointing down to the ground) --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 01:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::: A plug: http://www.reuk.co.uk/Dual-Powered-Lighting-Circuit.htm Scroll down to the first image. [[User:Don't Hug Lucario!|Don't Hug Lucario!]] 16:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Looks like a glacure.[[User:WWWAJG|WWWAJG]] 22:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon.jp Pokedex pic ==

I'm thinking it would be a good replacement for the current infobox picture, which not only is tiny, but comes up all pixellated in its file description area. I can't extract from a Flash-based site or upload here, but I know there's people who can. [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle]] 19:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== National PokeDex ==

Other than the event legendarie, Kyurem (And Landorus), according the the guide books, are NOT required to complete the National PokeDex. Why it is like this is what I d0on't lnow, since Kyurem can be caught in any copy of B/W, and Landorus not being required is also unusual because Tornadus and Thundurus are, which both ultimately unlock Landorus anyways. Would it be worth trivia for both of them? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 14:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

== shiny sprite ==

Kyurem is grey and it's shiny sprite is -black and white- with the eye color being a combined version of Zekrom's red eyes and Reshiram's blue eyes, notable? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 19:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
: I don't think, but wait for more opinions --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 21:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

== Um...... ==

It is currently the final officially-revealed Pokémon in National Pokédex order.
Huh? --[[User:K4kirin|K4kirin]] 08:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:Kyurem is the last Pokémon in the Pokédex. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
::Keldeo, Meloettea and Genesect haven't been officially revealed to the public yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== New Movie? ==

Oha Suta has revealed a teaser trailer for a movie, it appears that Kyurem and the Musketeer Quartet will be in it.
[http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vHEgvv8LEjE Pokémon Movie 15-Kyurem VS. The Sacred Swordsman Teaser Trailer]
--[[User:Flying Bidoof|Flying Bidoof]] 12:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
*We know, its in Kyurem's 'In the anime' section. and the page is already being made: [[M15]] {{unsigned|AquaMaster}}

== Ideals, truth and dreams. ==

Drayden told me the third one (dreams) is also in this row (so it would be Kyurem's one). Adding? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 16:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
:Still speculation at the moment. Better to leave it out until is is officially associated with dreams. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Imprison Level ==

Do you consider it noteworthy that the levels at which Kyurem (and by extension Reshiram and Zekrom) attempt(s) to learn Imprison are 8 and 64? 8² = 64 and so the root of 64 is eight. Since the games draw some inspiration from mathematics, as seen in N, N's Themes and the boats in Castelia City this might be programmed in intentionally.

[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 23:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

== New Forms ==

Looks like Kyurem gets two new forms: [[Image:M15_poster.png|thumb]] [[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 23:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's been confirmed that the formes are Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Types are waiting for confirmation, although I've heard a couple websites saying that Black Kyurem is Dragon/Electric and White Kyurem is Dragon/Fire. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 01:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::The usual Bulbapedia protocol is to wait for official sources before we add new info. So until that happens we're gonna wait it out. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Um isn't Pokemon Smash an official source?? Cuz the forms were revealed on there.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I've read that they will be Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire respectively, but that makes more sense. We must all wait and see...--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 01:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::I was referring to the types not the forms themselves. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::They '''are''' going to be Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire, i've just realized. Firstly, look at the new logos, they have Ice crytals with the second types color on them. Also look at the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Kyurem_forms.png full picture] there is ice encroaching all over the old B/W background. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 03:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Guys... remember this page is to discuss how to improve the article, not to speculate or add your own personal thoughts on what types Kyurem's forms might be. Please take other such discussions to the forums. Thanks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think it's appropriate to put the artwork for the new forms in the infobox for Kyurem until we know more about them. [[User:ThomasWinwood|ThomasWinwood]] 09:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:: ^this. Masuda confirmed that Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are seperate Pokémon so I'm perplexed as to why Black Kyurem is even the infobox image on the Kyurem page. [[User:Ewkay|Ewkay]] 11:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::He didn't really confirm anything but their names, the way he structured the sentence however could be taken either way. I think we should leave Black Kyurem and White Kyurem on the Kyurem page unless they come out and explicitly state that they are completely new Pokemon with new Pokedex numbers.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 14:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::He said specifically though that they '''are''' the names of the new Pokémon. But to reply to {{u|Kenji-girl}}, I'm mostly trying to apply logic to it. Im not giving random-ass guesses, but giving logical, evidence based ones, to better the page.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::A guess is still a guess whether logical or not and it should be reserved for the forums. What we do is wait for them to tell us what they are. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White. There was the same type of placeholder data for Rotom, Giratina, and Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl." - Could an admin expand on this now, explaining how its two new forms have been revealed? ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 09:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I also think it would be worth noting that Kyurem is the first Pokemon to be the version mascot of two games in the same generation.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Oh and of course editing the top of the page to say he is the version mascot of both Black 2 and White 2.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::Until new info comes out I don't think that either of those are going to be added for now. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 17:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Art Descriptions ==

For Kyurem's alternate formes, why does it say "Art by Ken Sugimori from Black 2", etc.? For every other released Pokémon, it says something like "Art by Ken Sugimori from Ruby ''and Sapphire''", even for a version exclusive like Groudon. [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 21:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Mostly because I was confused by the switch. D: There would be three image switches, and two different captions. I didn't want it to end up with BW art and saying "Art from Black and White 2", and I also didn't want to be redundant and have Black White 2 be listed twice. But I have nothing against someone using both titles for the artworks. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Placeholder==
In the trivia, what do you mean by "placeholder data for alternative formes"? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 22:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Kyurem had no alternate forms in BW, when a pokemon has no alternate forms they are given a value of Zero in that "section", Kyurem had a Value of one implying that we would see more forms.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== splitting ==

I suggest splitting the article into white kyurem,black kyurem,and kyurem.But not until we know more the first two.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 12:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:I think that's what we plan to do...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::They are simply Formes, and we have never given alternate Formes their own articles before. If we do, we will be giving Origin Forme Giratina and Sky Forme Shaymin articles too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::While I agree that simply giving each form maybe a small section on the page, wouldn't Primal Dialga count as an alternate forme of Dialga? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 12:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Primal Dialga ultimately counts as a separate ''character'', not a separate form. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Ah, alright then. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 13:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Forms that appear to be the fusion of Kyurem and Zekrom/Reshiram. For all we know, they could be getting treated like entirely new Pokemon instead of forms, with their own Pokedex entries and everything. At this point it is all speculation --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 18:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I agree with you there, Snorlax! If we did give each forme its own page, we'd have to have a page for each of Deoxys' different formes, as well as Rotom, Arceus (though it technically doesn't change formes, just coloring and type), Castform, and all of the other Pokémon that have the ability to change forme, which would seriously be going '''WAY''' overboard! [[User:Pikachu9000|Pikachu]][[User talk:Pikachu9000|9000]] 20:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't thinking about that when I suggested it.I guess it is a bad idea.Except we still don't know if they actually are forms.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
: I know Serebii is a seconhand source, and wouldn't dream of asking you to post this on the article without anything better, but [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-pokemon-black-version-2/62110120/692585765 he says they are just alternate formes]. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 23:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:They have never added a Pokemon midway through a generation. If this was Gen VI they would be advertising that.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 15:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

What about arceus?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:Arceus was in the code for Diamond and Pearl. It was not added mid-way through the generation. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:33, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

I thought they were not forms of Kyurems? They said it was two new/different Pokemon? Also, should you use this picture on the article, as this is what it shows in the anime? like you do with the Castform, and Rotom?
[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/c3/646Kyurem.png]? [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 19:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:Masuda tweeted and stated that they were called 'Black Kyurem' and 'White Kyurem'. I never heard anyone mention that they were different Pokemon. [[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] 20:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::We hardly know ''anything'' for sure. We know for sure they're Kyurem, and that's it. They've mentioned "separate Pokémon" but if I recall, they said the same thing about almost every form (Rotom for example). So until we know more than just what they look like, and the names of the games, let's not jump any guns, sharks, etc.. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
*we should use [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/c3/646Kyurem.png] this as the main picture though, cause this is the form which is in the anime etc, can it be changed?[[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 20:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::For the record, we are not simply relying on Masuda's tweets. Other things like the press releases for the US and Europe and the official teaser trailer have also called them Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

*I think from the trailer, there was a legend which Kyurem was lent the Power from Zekrom and Reshiram under circumstances, from what I can understand, in which the Swordsman did not agree. [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 14:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anime images ==

There's now anime pics for [[a:File:White Kyurem anime.png|White]] and [[a:File:Black Kyurem anime.png|Black]] Kyurem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== Categories ==
Someone who has permission (probably an admin) should add Kyurem to the "Version Mascot" category, since that's about the only thing we know for sure about these new games.[[User:SidStarkiller|SidStarkiller]] 22:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== New forme names ==
The new names for the formes have to be added into the article. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Forme Typing? ==

I saw on Serebii that the types for each of kyurems formes has been revealed. Aaaaaaaaaand it's the same. So what should be said about this?
:They should put them down. Plus, Black Kyurem's 10'10", while White Kyurem's 11'10". Plus, both formes are 325kg (716.5lb)[[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] 00:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
::None of that info will be added without an official source. We will not under any circumstances permit theft of information from Serebii. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:::The information wasn't from Serebii, they just reported on it, here ya go. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 23:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
::::While I realise that they are images, PokeBeach are ''not'' a suitable source either. Fortunately, I was able to fine these two images on Amazon.com, which actually seem to be slightly different. [http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/91DQpVrkUWL._AA1500_.jpg 1] [http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/91j6uwoyIYL._AA1500_.jpg 2]. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007KWR1H6/ref%3Dnosim/bestgate-22
They look identical to me, this is where serebii and pokebeach both got it from.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 04:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

== Wendigo? ==

I recently say a picture of a monster called "Wendigo," a winter spirit of starvation and cannibalism. It also looks like White Kyurem. Could White Kyurem be based off it? the winter part reflects Kyurem's ice type, the starvation part could be why White Kyurem is so skinny, and the cannibalism could be why Kyurem is said to eat other Pokemon and people. Here is a picture of a Wendigo, from myexistenz.com [http://www.myexistenz.com/x/article15/article1/Wendigo.jpg] [[User:Khimerami|Khimerami]] 18:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think it's related to the Wendigo. The Wendigo is basically a monster from Indian legends (or so I have heard). It has differing descriptions, and I've seen a lot of other pictures depicting something different. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 19:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:: No, Wendingo isn't related to the Indian legends. {{tt|*|I'm a "Hindu" :( }} [[User:Poke.geek|'''P''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''okége''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|'''ek''']] 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
::: Sorry, that's what I thought. Or so I heard. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:::: Legendary Pokémon are based on all sorts of myths from various cultures, why should that matter? Anyway, wikipedia mentions that the Wendigo mainly possessed or transformed humans, and especially prefers cannibals. It doesn't really mention the Wendigo itself carrying off humans away to eat, which is more or less what Kyurem did. So I'm not sure if there is that much relevance. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 03:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:::: The Wendigo comes from North American Native legends --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:20, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

== Hmmm? ==

Are those ropes connecting Black/White Kyurem's generator thing to its back? Or is that energy? It's seen on the box art for Black and White 2. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 22:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:The spikes on its shoulders extend and go into the "plugs" on its tail. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== Different cries? ==

If you watch the third video here: http://www.filb.de/1772 when Black Kyurem is sent out, it's using Zekrom's cry, rather than Kyurem's. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 09:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:Definitely a different cry, but not Zekrom's '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 17:10, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

== White Kyurem forme change method revealed through M15 trailer? ==
[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/swf/player/trailer120413_yokoku2.html This trailer from the official Pokémon movie website] shows Kyurem using an attack involving fire, which is speculated to be [[Ice Burn]]. After use, an orange ball of energy appears within its tail, it flies upward and becomes surrounded in an orange stream of energy and emerges as White Kyurem. Since it is from an official source (however, not directly linked to the games)i think it is worth mentioning.
[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 17:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
:Since we don't know if it is Ice Burn and what caused it, it is best to leave it for now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

== White Kyurem's Picture ==

Should we really use White Kyurem's picture for the entirety of the page? I mean... regular Kyurem seems more neutral. [[User:DevaGolgotha|DevaGolgotha]] 22:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:Read the top of the talk page please. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

== warning at top of page ==

the warning says the change only effects the artwork, however when under White Kyurem the high changes from 3.3 meters to 3.6. You might want to change that to avoid confusion. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 02:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

== Origin section ==

"Given that its Japanese name contains mu, it may be based on the koan mu." From the transliteration in the infobox at the top, the Japanese name doesn't seem to have "mu" in it. [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 20:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
:It actually does have "mu" in it. While Kyurem is the official romanization of Kyurem's Japanese name, it's actually written as "Kyuremu" in Japanese. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] 21:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

== You guys have the wrong palette for Kyurem's party sprite ==

I'm assuming you guys used the Veekun rip. That rip uses an incorrect palette ID. Notice how the thing on Kyurem's head that's supposed to be yellow is purple on Veekun's icon rip. I checked my game, it uses a different palette than Veekun's incorrect rip, and the thing is yellow, unlike the bad rip where its purple. Here's a more accurate rip:
http://www.spriters-resource.com/ds/pokemonblackwhite/sheet/37497 (scroll to the bottom to see Kyurem)
[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] ([[User talk:Chaos Rush|talk]]) 13:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

==Description==

It says "its tail appears to be some sort of propulsion device; exactly what it is based on is unclear, though it may be a damaged turbine". It looks like a plug, likely as a reference that Kyurem absorbs energy instead of generating it (unlike Reshiram and Zekrom) to get more power (the new formes). [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 04:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:That is likely. Heat is a form of energy, so cold is the absence of that energy. Pardon if I sound rude, but this is discussed in the article, in the Origin section under Trivia. It does not give the exact information you pointed out, however. [[User:Kyro-Dizzy|Kyro-Dizzy]] ([[User talk:Kyro-Dizzy|talk]]) 09:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

== Formes have second highest base stat totals and second highest attack/special attack ==

Is it worth noting this, considering that it's apparently only two thirds of the full Pokemon? Or is it something that isn't worth noting at all? --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:18, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

== Hourly changes in article also changing the movesets? ==

I noticed that as of this moment, with the article displaying White Kyurem, it's only showing the moveset for it, with no means to view the movesets for Black or regular Kyurem. I understand the point behind the alternating images to show off the different forms, but this is getting to the point where it makes the article ''less'' informative by making it impossible to look up complete information on the pokemon without checking back at three different times. I'm not even remotely familiar with how all the coding for this works, but isn't there a way that it could be set up so that all the moveset information would still be accessible via link or such for the alternate forms regardless of which one is displayed? Because speaking as a casual user who likes to be able to quickly look up information from time to time, this is frankly obnoxious. It's not just an aesthetic change- which would be fine- but actually making it impossible to view a thorough and accurate article at one time. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 01:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
:Actually, I believe the switch only switches the learnset visible when you first get on the page. You can get to the other movesets by pressing the small "show" buttons next under the moveset section of the article. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 01:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

In the same vein, I came to this page just to compare the artwork of all three forms, but that can't be done with the current set-up. I cleared the cache which gave me one other artwork, and went into edit the page to get the filenames so I could merely link to them, but they're not there. To this I say, why not implement a gallery section for pages that have this coding to reflect different forms? As also a casual user agreeing with the above poster, I feel it's a good idea in theory but makes finding what you want more difficult. - [[User:Deadlyslashsword|'''+Deadly''']][[User Talk: Deadlyslashsword|'''Slash''']][[Special:Contributions/Deadlyslashsword|'''Sword+''']] 01:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:There's a link to the category on the archives at the bottom of the infobox. All the images for all three formes are there. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
::Also, in the second paragraph of the article you have a link to Form differences, the page that compares different formes. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 12:12, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I would not have known to have looked there - again, I bring up the point of ease of accessibility for the massive casual userbase, which you guys haven't touched on. While I thank you for pointing me where I wanted to go, you shouldn't have had to. I should have been able to have found it myself without a ton of digging and searching through links and collapsible boxes. - [[User:Deadlyslashsword|'''+Deadly''']][[User Talk: Deadlyslashsword|'''Slash''']][[Special:Contributions/Deadlyslashsword|'''Sword+''']] 00:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem PMD appereance ==

New trailers out
could it be good to add a reference to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9BXqojjxyMw#! {{unsigned|PortalDark}}

== Evolution ==
Kyurem does not evolve, and the section labelled "Evolution" shows its forme changes. Why not title the section "Formes"?
[[User:Bug Catcher Wade|'''Bug Catcher Wade''']] 03:31, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

== Black/White Kyurem Base stats? ==

Are the Black/White Kyurem Base stats unknown, since they are not [[Kyurem (Pokémon)#Base stats|listed]]? That is, not even that the total for both is 700. --[[User:Det|Det]] ([[User talk:Det|talk]]) 17:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
:They're on the page. They're under the regular Kyurem's base stats. You need to click on "show". --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:56, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::Gahh. How could I miss that. --[[User:Det|Det]] ([[User talk:Det|talk]]) 19:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

== The title screen model. ==

I've uploaded [[:File:White Kyurem title screen.png|White Kyurem]] model from title screen about year ago (back when games were only in Japan), but it's unused. Any idea where it could have a use? I totally forgot what I was doing with it... And I've just noticed that I uploaded it in 4x size (that is it's 4 times as big as in-game, considering games are 256x192 and file is 1024x768...). Could "update" so it's the size it should be. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Exp, EV, and the DNA Splicer ==

How does fusing Kyurem with Zekrom or Reshiram affect gaining Exp. and EV points? Do both of the pokemon involved (Kyurem and Zekrom/Reshiram) gain them or only Kyurem? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 05:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Porter

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== Is it the right name? ==

So I just saw this character's debut, but I thought I heard something odd. Ash calls him 'Parker' after he introduces himself, but it sounded like the character said 'Porter.' Did anyone else hear this? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 13:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Zekrom (Pokémon)

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== Finally! ==

Yes, it finally got created. So no Pokémon Sunday? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 00:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, there wasn't any new information on Pokémon Sunday. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon-type? ==

How do you guys know they're Dragon-types? None of the information I read specifically said so. - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 00:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has been confrmed on Pokémon Daisuki Club as being atleast a Dragon-type. All this information was made sure to be confirmed before being added, so don't worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK just making sure it's not all speculation; I mean, just because it's in the article doesn't mean it was researched, or that someone didn't just throw in their piece of speculation. ;) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 00:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Have they been confirmed as being solely Dragon-type, though? If not, it seems a bit misleading to put that there, in my opinion. --[[User:Bdoing|Bdoing]] 01:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:That we aren't sure of though. It could be purely a Dragon-type or a dual type, for which the second type is clearly unknown as of yet. But for the type that we do know, I don't see any harm in it being there until more information is revealed. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::imo it's not 100% confirmed that they are dragon-types - Daisuki Club said that they are dragons, not that they are definitely dragon-''type''. But that's just how I see it I guess :V [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I have to agree with the Dragon thing. They may of said they were "Dragons" but that's not a 100% sure thing that they are really Dragon types. If you look at past Pokémon, there are some that are considered dragons but don't have the Dragon type. {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Sceptile}} etc. - [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 02:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Agreed. Taking "Legendary Dragon Pokemon" to mean that they're dragon-type, despite that not being confirmed, seems to me like jumping the gun. That, and it seems very misleading to treat them as a pure-type just because you don't know its other type. Even a Dragon/??? type would be clearer than that. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 09:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Well now they are confirmed that they are Dragon types, so yea... [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::But it has never been said they are dual types, even though they might. For now, this is all we have.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 12:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Part of being a Pokémon encyclopedia is reporting what we know. We know that they're Dragon-type. We don't know anything else about their types. That's why it says Dragon and nothing else (not even a ???). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not counting Daisuke Club, where was it confirmed? Forgive me if I'm slow. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon/Electric type! ==

Ok, so the host of Pokemon Sunday accidentally posted on her blog that Zekrom was Dragon/Electric, and then shortly after she deleted it because of obvious reasons. Here is the proof.. http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5286/zkrtype2.jpg . I Don't know if you need more proof, but that really is proof in itself really. --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 10:29, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Can someone translate for those of us that don't know Japanese please?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Wow. My guesses of Dragon/Dark and Dragon/Steel were way off. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Keep the forum chat in the forums thanks. Japanese translation is welcome here, but comments along the lines of the one directly above mine shouldn't be here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Did she identify Zekrom as a Dragon/Electric? If she didn't, it might as well be Electric/Dragon instead. The order of the types is important for the page. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 12:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:The only thing I see is a pun with "Here is the proof" and linking to a picture of Proof. I'm not seeing any mention of Zekrom, but I might just be half asleep and not noticing anything. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 14:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I couldn't see Zekrom's name either, but I wasn't sure. I guess it's not about Zekrom after all.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I wouldn't jump the gun yet though, as there is the possibility of the "electric" thing being a mistake on the writers part or even a mistranslation (though I highly doubt). [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 15:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that the screenshot is of the page after she edited it. Regardless, from what translations I've seen of it, she only says it's "''related'' to electric type pokemon", which does not guarantee it's an Electric type. Lugia is related to the water type, yet it's Psychic/Flying.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 16:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
: In before "OMFG IT'S A HINT FOR THE LIGHT TYPE BLARGH". But honestly though, I really hope nobody spits that out due to that "related to electric type" statement because that would be really annoying. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 16:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'd say this puts a dent in the Light Type possibilities if Zekrom isn't Dark. ;-) But, yeah, while this is very interesting we can't state it as fact under the current circumstances. Some mention of the blog entry might fit under Trivia. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
That picture up there, it isn't really proof, since all I see in the Japanese text is "Bibiddo Bubble(?)""Koiru; Coil(Magnemite),""Magnet," etc. Someone that can read better than me may be some help.--[[User:ShedinjaFtw|ShedinjaFtw]] 00:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow this trolling. She's just gushing over the illustration directly above the text ("vivid purple!!1!" "magnemite"! "magnets"!)—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::How does this have anything to do with Zekrom? I don't see "Zekuromu"... all I see are stuff about illustration... even at the top, it says clearly: "Tēma: Irasuto", which is basically "Theme: Illustration." Sorry if it's just me and my bad eyes, but that up there has nothing to do with Zekrom. --[[User:ShedinjaFtw|ShedinjaFtw]] 01:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::: The image posted is the blog after the comment was removed, [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/PKIM82/zkrtype1.jpg here] is the screencap from before the edit. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 03:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well I suppose that much checks out...we should definitely hold off on making that a part of the article, though.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Any mention of the electric type should stay away from the bulk of the article but I still say it counts as trivia. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
The thought of that part of the blog being removed instead of changed leads me to believe that it was a leak instead of an error, as the error would most likely be fixed instead. Also, is it really better to count it soley as a dragon and not a Dragon/Unconfirmed, since ??? is considered a type?--[[User:Jmassacre|Jmassacre]] 13:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's only been officially announced as Dragon so we can only mention the one type for now. Interesting as that blog entry is, claiming that Zekrom has a second type at all is still too close to rumour and speculation at this point. The type effectiveness section probably isn't accurate, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

==Sprite==
I know one of the screenshots from Black and White had a sprite of Zekrom in it. I've never uploaded an image before, so maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reasons why the sprite isn't here. If authenticity is a concern, we can just put the "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" mouse-over on it. --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 04:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think the issue is actually quality, rather than whether it is real or not. The screenshots we have are of relatively low quality, so any sprites pulled from them will be as well. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::The sprites will only be put on if they are needed for a template. The spritebox will not be implemented until the games release, so the sprites are only needed for the evobox. So far, we will only put in a evobox if we know it evolves to something else or evolves from something else ({{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}), or if we know it will evolve (starters). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I can wait, but would like to point that a pretty clear shot is at http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:BW_Prerelease_Zekrom_battle.png. I checked to make sure it matches up with current sprites, which it does, but I noticed that Zekrom is 94x90 pixels. Interesting to note, this is much larger than any previous sprite.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 01:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

==Last?==
The article shows Bulbasaur as the next Pokémon. This used to be the case with Arceus, due to it ending the Pokédex. However, a version mascot has never ended the Pokédex, so why is Zekrom listed at the end? It is the last Pokémon known, but probably should not be listed as the last Pokémon. [[User:Digletdude|Digletdude]] 20:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't know what the last Pokemon is, though. It's listed there because it's... like you said, the last Pokemon known right now. It's only temporary until the game comes out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 20:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::However, other Generation V Pokémon have been shown with "???" as next and previous. We do know other Pokémon are Next and Previous, but we don't know how many may or may not be in between. Although there Pokédex numbers are missing, some, such as the starters can be ordered. This means, if Zekrom is ordered as last, others can be temporairly ordered. {{unsigned|Digletdude}}
::Sorry I didn't sign yesterday, I was multi-tasking, and accidently put the signature in a document I was typing. I didn't know I can't resign. {{unsigned|Digletdude}}

==Physiology for the admins to implement==

Zekrom is a bipedal Pokemon of indefinable basis, but conveyed to be dragon-like. Zekrom is mainly a shade of dark gray, with darker patches on various portions of its body. It has red eyes and a small horn-like protrusion on the tip of its snout, with its head sporting a plume tipped with light-blue coloration. At the base of its neck is a black, stud-like feature, and atop its shoulders are similiar, larger features resembling armor padding.The bases of its wings also have such padding, and a fanned, splayed, seemingly webbed shape with a small "wing-spike" on one edge. The lower length of Zekrom's arms extenuate into splayed, seemingly webbed, somewhat baseball-mitt-like formations, with three-clawed, dark-colored hands on the undersides. The front portion of Zekrom's waist is black-colored, with its belly and thighs having thin striations down their length. The knees are black, as are the foremost parts of its three-clawed feet and spiked heels. Zekrom's tail consists of large, round, conical and spiked formation, likened to a electricity generator, with a black inner portion and bands on the tip of the outside portion. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 00:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I have a comment about Zekrom's tail. If you imagine that Reshiram's tail is similar to a rocket engine, Zekrom's tail looks remarkably similar to a jet engine. ([[User:Erniesduck123|Erniesduck123]] 07:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC))

==Trivia for the admins to implement==
Zekrom is the first pokemon to have a type combination of Dragon and Electric. {{unsigned|Burzerk}}

==Possible name origin?==
Could the "Ze" of Zekrom be derived from the Chinese 光澤 ''guāngzé'' (luster)? However, I'm not sure about this. Besides "luster (of metal and gems)", 澤 ''zé'' also has other meanings, such as "pool/swamp", "humid/damp", and "favour/kindness". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 14:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Possible, but it strikes me as unlikely. My best guess is that both the "Re" and "Ze" come from two possible readings of 零 (zero, null, fraction, fragment, etc.): レイ ('''''re'''i'') and ゼロ ('''''ze'''ro''). A quick google search shows that at least a few Japanese websites have made the same guess. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::Wow, I can't believe I didn't see that. It does make sense: (Rei + shiramu = '''Re'''sh'''i'''ramu = Reshriram) and (Zero + kuromu = '''Ze'''ku'''ro'''mu = Zekrom). I wonder if there is a relationship to Arceus, the "Original '''One'''" (perhaps a reference to {{wp|Pangu}}). Other than that, there could be a reference to {{wp|Ground Zero}} or {{wp|Wu wei}}.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 12:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Accented é ==

In the first sentence of Zekrom's physiology, the word "Pokémon" is missing the accented é. --[[User:♫Green♫|♫]][[Special:Contributions/♫Green♫|Green]][[User Talk:♫Green♫|♫]] 20:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Got it. Thanks :D --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Game color? ==

Why is the black Pokémon the mascot for Pokémon White and the white Pokémon the Black mascot? Is this something new they're doing for Generation V? [[User:RikutheGreat|RikutheGreat]] 21:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:That's just what they wanted to do. It's kind of like yin and yang. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

it's because the main villian uses reshiram in white, and zekrom is the one who's caught, and viceversa for black

== Special Moves? Breeding? ==

What is this "Special Moves" sub-header for, and why is it not on other articles as far as I can see? Second, why is it given a sub-header for breeding moves? All legendary Pokemon save for Manaphy are incapable of breeding.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 05:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:"Special moves" is for moves that don't fit elsewhere in the table, such as event only moves. It is actually the same level heading as the breeding one. The reason why all that stuff is there is that the template used to make the new Pokémon articles includes it, and since we haven't got enough info for the move set we haven't bothered touching those headers at all. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned that the padding around Zekrom's claws look similar to the capture devices in Pokémon Colloseum? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 20:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:That's a rather subjective point, so I don't think it needs mentioning. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia to be added ==

shouldnt it be mentioned that zekrom is the only electric pokemon that doesnt have yellow in its colour scheme?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Voltorb, Electrode, Magnemite, Magneton, Flaafy, Rotom, Probopass.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 10:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

you forgot about voltorb electrode mareep and rotom none of them got yellow coloration eventhough rotom can have a yellow coloratin if he is in the fan form![[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 10:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Probopass isn't electric-type, Urutapu.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Could someone perhaps add that it's got an appearance in the [[BW001|first episode of ''Best Wishes!'']], even if it is kinda minor? [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 23:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be added that Zekrom is the only known Pokemon that has a double resistance to electric? [[User:Pikiwyn|Pikiwyn]] 16:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Moves by breeding ==
Yeah, an admin needs to remove that section. Seeing as it's in the No Eggs group and all. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== BW001 ==
Should Zekrom be mentioned in the "In The Anime" Section as showing up in a thunderstorm? After all, it was there, even if it was only in the storm. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 18:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Zekrom Origin ==

This is just a speculation, but may be a possible origin to Zekrom.
In the first episode of BW, Professor Araragi says:
この　ちほう　に　いい　つたえ「きょだい　な　かみなりぐも　は　ひと　と　ポケモン　を　みまもる　かみ　に　いる」「いくつもの　いなずま　の　かみ　に　よる　さばき　の　てっつい　と　てん　を　ささえる　はしら　とも　いわれて」
I don't know how the english fansubs translated it, but the portuguese missed some important words, what made me search for a better translation.
Here's what I've understood of it:
"There's a legend in this region: In a cloud of thunders exists a god who watches over people and Pokémon. He's called the god of inumerous lightnings who wields the judgement hammer and that sustains the heavens as a pillar."
That part about "Judgement hammer" and the fact that Zekrom controls thunders reminded me of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor Thor], from the Norse Polytheism.
Until now, I have only those clues, so I can't say for sure, but it is something worth to look for. Blow 18:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should it noted that Reshiram and Zekrom may draw from Taoist beliefs?

After all, Cross Flame and Cross Thunder seem to draw from it (I.E. "You can't have one without the other" which draws from Yin and Yang of Taoism).

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:It already states that Reshiram & Zekrom are based on the concept of Yin and Yang. What more is needed? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::Oops, Musta missed that. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Question V.2

As of BW01, Zekrom has been shown to be able to "steal" the electricity of its fellow Electric-types to the point where they can no longer use Electric attacks.

Though it is mentioned in the Anime: Major Appearances section, should it also be added to Abilities?

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

:Was it ever actually stated what Zekrom actually did to Pikachu? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

::Given the condition Pikachu was in after whatever Zekrom did, and how it returned after Zekrom returned, I feel it is worth mentioning under abilities. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 06:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That's not really answering my question, but I do agree [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll answer now then: I don't remember if they mentioned it. But Zekrom did do something with Pikachu that eliminated his electric powers so it should be worth mentioning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 06:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'd wait for the dub since I honestly don't know Japanese. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've watched that part again. Araragi and Oak say that Pikachu absorbed too much electricity, so he's overloaded and can't use his electric moves as he wishes. Ash asks if Pikachu would stay in that state permanently, but than Zekrom arrives and strikes another thunder at Pikachu, that looks to go berserk (he can't control the thunders that are flowing out - look at that with attention). That moment, Ash's act as a ground wire (^_^') and everything is ok \o/. Case solved, Zekrom don't have the ability to steal electricity. Blow 14:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Perhaps it should be mentioned that it can strike its fellow Electric types with enough energy to cause them to be unable to control their Electricity? I don't know. But thanks, Blow. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Let's say Ash's Pikachu have the [[Lightningrod]] ability. But Zekrom have [[Teravoltage]] ability, which allows him to strike through Pikachu's ability. Then, it would be reasonable that, instead of being converted (without damage to Pikachu) and raising Pikachu's Special Attack, Zekrom's lightning stroke Pikachu's inner parts, as in Pikachu's Special abilities description: "As Pikachu builds up energy in its electricity glands, it often needs to discharge, as to not result in a short, or worse, which can lead to physical Paralysis, or in severe cases, death.". I mean, even a lightning rod can fail its purpose if it isn't designed to properly receive the energy of a thunder. Blow 16:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Requirement to catch Zekrom/Reshiram ==

What happens when you face them without any Poké Balls on hand? Or you run out of them in the battle? Does beating/running from it restart the battle or transport you somewhere you can buy Poké Balls? Because otherwise you're stuck forever. --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 12:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Is it confirmed that the Master Ball is impossible to get rid of in this gen at all? If so maybe that might not be a problem, unless of course some people are stupid enough to use it for something else... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 23:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:::1) You can throw away the Master Ball.
:::2) You can give the Master Ball to a Pokémon and release it.
:::3) You can meet and catch the roaming legendary before you fight the box legendary(a good reason to use the Master Ball).
:::4) If you beat the box legendary it just stays there, and you can so walk back to the room with the Plasma Member that'll warp you back to the Pokémon League Pokémon Center. Didn't try running, though I assume it will have a similar result.
:::5) If you don't have any {{tt|money|Spent it all and then gave everything to your Pokémon, then went on a releasing spree, for example.}}, you can go and {{tt|beat|You defeated the Elite 4 to get there, so these trainers are a pushover.}} the Triple/Rotation trainers for money to buy some balls.
:::6) If you don't have any {{tt|strong Pokémon|Let them go in that releasing spree, for example}}, you must have at least one left, which you can slowly train up against wild Pokémon until it's strong enough to beat some trainers to get some money.
:::7) If your Pokémon don't know any offensive attacks, well, that's where {{tt|infinite-use TMs|Now these are impossible to get rid of...}} come in handy.
:::8) Anyway, a Team Plasma Member in N's Castle will give you an Ultra Ball, which afterward the first catchable Pokémon you should see is the box legendary, so you should have at least one ball facing it the first time. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 00:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

==Egg==
Hey I noticed that in the egg section it doesn't say "Not legitimately obtainable as egg" How do we add this? Or is it the first Legend Mascot to breed (of course not!).----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Set egggroupn to 0. Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

==Possible Yu-Gi-Oh! reference?==
Zekrom's design looks strangely similar to the "Red-Eyes Black Dragon"-Character from the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise. Worth mentioning? {{unsigned|Renoir}}
: I remember I use to play Yu-Gi-Oh and looking at both Zekrom, and Red Eyes Black Dragon, aside from sharing the same color (black), not much else they share in common. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 21:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
::And the red eyes. My friend and I discussed this several times. While the coincidence is hilarious, I felt it was not strong enough to add--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 21:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Same feeling here. If it was notable in this article then the Reshiram would have a note with it being similar to Blue Eyes White Dragon. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 21:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Also part of that conversation :P--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 21:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::That's an opinion, and isn't allowed in these pages. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:32, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

== Wait, can Zekrom be shiny? According to the page, yes ==

Who added that line that it can be shiny at Dragonspiral Tower? I wanted to check in here first before removing in case there was a weird glitch or something that allowed it. I don't see a citation or anything about it --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 03:36, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
: Trivia piece has been removed since the trivia piece above it made no mention about it's Shiny sprite in the first place. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 03:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Should we add the evolution to black kyrem? ==

I mean if we do it for differnt form shouldnt we do it for them. {{unsigned|Jonjxj}}
:No not really, because Zekrom doesn't have an alternate from only Kyurem.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 13:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

==ZEKROMS'S CLAWS!==
Look for crying out loud. So we can avoid an edit war. If we compare Ken Sugimori's artwork from the games (excluding PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond and Pokemon Rumble Blast[in the opening sequence]), anime and manga it's claws are misplaced.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 09:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato a Zekrom fan not just because how Zekrom looks but because of it's Pokedex entries

== Black 2 IV Points ==

Didn't know where to put this, so I'll put it here and let others decide. There's some question for Black 2 as to when Zekrom's IVs are set because you face Zekrom once before you can capture him. I saved my game before fighting Zekrom in the ruins of Plasma Castle, them went to Dragonspiral Tower to capture Zekrom. After checking his nature and several stats, I reset and repeated. When I captured Zekrom again, the stats had changed.

I reset the game again and once more fought Zekrom, then I saved the game on the next to last floor of Dragonspiral Tower. I revived and captured Zekrom, then checked his stats once again. I reset, recaptured, and checked the stats: once again they had changed.

In summary, it appears that Zekrom's IV values in Black 2 aren't set until you interact with him atop Dragonspiral tower. It is probably the same with Reshiram in White 2, but I couldn't tell you. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 02:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Join Avenue

2013-05-24T11:07:24Z

Legionaireb: /* Nursery */

== Images - Join Avenue ==

I have here the English translations of the Join Avenue images from the English Version. I'm sorry for the visual aides because I don't know how to put them here but I put up links. Source: Pokemon.com/BlackWhite2 -[[User:PKMNFan21597|PKMNFan21597]] ([[User talk:PKMNFan21597|talk]]) 08:09, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/gameplay/V3_EN_P08_04.jpg Join Avenue Img1] 
[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/gameplay/V3_EN_P08_02.jpg Join Avenue - Male Trainer Img1] 
[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/gameplay/V3_EN_P08_03.jpg Join Avenue - Male Trainer Img2] 
[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/gameplay/V3_EN_P08_07.jpg Join Avenue - Male Trainer Img3] 
[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/gameplay/v3_EN_P08_01.jpg Join Avenue - Male Trainer Img4] 
[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/gameplay/V3_P09_02.jpg Join Avenue - Male Trainer Img5] 
[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-2/assets/en-us/story/v1_07_06.jpg Join Avenue - Female Trainer]

== NPC specifics? ==

A few things I've noticed/wondered about them. Can anyone answer/verify?
*They seem to go through the avenue once per day, but seem to disappear for a while (probably 24 hours, at least) if you change the clock on the DS. Sort of like [[C-Gear#Game_Sync|Game Sync]].
*Shops seem to re-stock when they're upgraded.
*Is there a pattern to what type of NPCs you'll get visiting (trainer class sprites, shops they'll open, shops they'll enjoy, etc.), as in hard-coded NPCs or settings from the other person's save file? Or just random?
*Also, the pages for very rare berries ([[Salac Berry|Salac]], [[Apicot Berry|Apicot]], some of those) you can buy them on Join Avenue. Is that when you get to the Flower Market to a really high level?
[[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 16:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:From what I've seen so far:
:*3 NPC visiters per day.
:*Shops restock every time the days restarts (doesn't have to be 24 hours), although I haven't bothered checking if they restock after upgrading. I normally talk to the visiting NPCs first thing when I get there so they don't walk out the door.
:*The visiting NPCs are randomly chosen, and there are at least 2 names per trainer class sprite. Everything about them changes every day, such as Invite, Recommend, and if you get a rare customer who visits multiple shops out of excitement. They can visit anywhere from one extra shop ("This isn't what I had in mind...", so they don't continue) to every shop that has been set up so far, with the gained Popularity points increasing each shop visited.
:*I assume that you will eventually be able to buy nearly any berry at the Flower Market, since that appears the only way to get berries from somewhere other than the Rangers that hand out status berries. So far I'm only level 3 and I don't know how high you have to get the level.
:'''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:::About the NPC's: when you start the Avenue there are 3 per day, but as the shop increases in level, more NPC's will come per day (at this moment, my Avenue is at level 7 or so and 6 NPC's visit the Avenue per day). ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 17:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
::::That's interesting... I'm level 5 and I still have only 3. There are a lot of random people standing inside that ask questions, but I've only had 3 that actually visit shops. I do have an extra from "meeting" another person, but I don't consider them an NPC. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:18, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::With NPC's I really mean the people who you can invite and redirect to a shop. Maybe it has something to do with the levels of your shops too. When your shops reaches level 4, it'll change in appearance. If I remember correctly, after I upgraded one of my shops to level 4 (while already having almost every other shop at level 4), the number of NPC's increased from 5 to 6. Don't know if it really has something to do with that though. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 18:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::What about the communications stuff? Is there 1 visitor per Dream Pal/Pal Pad entry/GTS acquaintance? [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 20:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::The shop upgrades are probably why. Most of mine are either 2 or 3. As for the "player" visitors, I'm pretty sure it's 1 per meeting. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, they do restock when upgrading. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 18:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

== Dojo ==

In the Dojo, you can give Pokémon level ups or stat boosts. Do I assume the stat boosts are [[Effort Values]], since you can't give them to party members past certian points, like Vitamins? [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 20:50, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, they are EVs, as are the boosts from the Café. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
::Do they raise EVs by as much as vitamins (10 EVs, but unable to go past 100)? Also, how about the "Power Lunch" at the Deli? It claims to raise a "base" stat "a lot" when a pokemon eats it, but by how much is "a lot"? I am assuming this is also referring to EVs. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] ([[User talk:Tk3141|talk]]) 00:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
:::There are different deli meals and whatnot; I'm pretty sure the more intense-sounding meals give you more EVs than others. Serebii says some give you insane amounts like 20 or 48 [http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/joinavenue.shtml]. Sure seems like they're trying to make it easier to train in these more recent Pokemon games. [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 10:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
::::Each listing has a level associated with it (12, 24, 48, etc.). This is the # of EVs given by that training. I don't think the café's lunches are listed by level, but they use the same wording (a lot, a little, etc.) as the Dojo, and can probably be cross-referenced. --[[User:Icbat|Icbat]] ([[User talk:Icbat|talk]]) 16:17, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

== Nursery ==

Is it even confirmed that Nurseries can be formed? I have not encountered anyone who wants to set one up, and we don't have whatever is said to indicate that they want to set one up. As my Avenue stands right now, I have a spot dedicated to the eventual formation of a Nursery (where a raffle shop currently stands). Is it a guide, Serebii, or a game dump which informed us of Nurseries? [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:23, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:What level is your avenue? According to Serebii, you can open up a Nursery when your avenue is level 15. Serebii is not an official source but is mostly right on such matters. I can't confirm it myself yet, my avenue is level 10. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 23:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
::Ah, let me check <commands Driftblim to use Fly> 9. That explains it, assuming Serebii is correct. At some point, the numbers should be on the page, but I don't know everything that has to be done to migrate from Serebii. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 03:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Please read the top banner. "'''Use reliable sources and do not steal from other websites.'''" He doesn't like it when we take his stuff (even though [[User:Serebii|he]] is a user here) so you're going to have to come up with your own research and proof. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:58, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
::::Nope it shouldn't be taken from Serebii indeed. Someone has to find out for themselves (as for me, it probably will take some time until I've reached level 15) ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 09:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::The requisites are that you reach level 15 and that you have defeated the champion. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 20:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I can now confirm that this is correct. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe it's worth mentioning on the main page that if your Join Avenue passes Lv. 15 before you beat the Elite Four, the features that you unlock for doing so (bonus shop items and the Nursery) don't become available until the next time the Avenue levels up. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 11:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

== Time changing/DS swapping effect ==

I feel this is something for the article, though I'm not sure of the best way to add it to the page. When you change the DS clock, or use a different DS, Join Avenue 'locks down' for something like 2-3 days, where all of the services are sold out. Presumably to prevent cheating by resetting the clock to the next day. Since Daylight Savings Time just changed in the US, this affected me and took some googling to find that it was expected. --[[User:Icbat|Icbat]] ([[User talk:Icbat|talk]]) 16:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
:Good, I'm not going crazy. This happened to me, too. I can see why they'd do it, though: if you can talk to people and buy stuff at stores and change the DS clock just a few times a day, think of how many EVs, levels, Apicot Berries, Heart Scales and all the other things you'd be able to get in a few short hours. People would hang out there instead of training. [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 19:27, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
::I can say that it is NOT '2-3 days' - just recently, we had Daylight Savings change over, and I would say that it is 1-2 days. Specifically, (I don't have confirmation), it is likely that services will be availible again the midnight after 24 hours have passed since changing the clock - if you change the clock to 6AM Monday, this would mean Wednesday will have services. Someone who doesn't mind messing their clock up should confirm this. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I will check this out, and get back to you when I have found the answer. --[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 19:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
:::So far they have not opened back up, i will try again at around 19:11 (UTC). --[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 18:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

:::I checked at 22:03, 24 January (UTC) it had not restocked, however at 00:05 January 25 it restocked as usual.
:::Conclusion: it takes 24 hours to reset the game clock, but the shops are all sold out until 12:05 AM the next day. However they will still restock at ranking up, at least after the original 24 hour period is up. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 18:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

== In-game NPCs and stores ==

Are we positive that the NPCs have universal default dreams or are they randomly generated-and/or-distributed? The article mentions Anneli and Jenna wanting to open the same shops in the author's game, but would those same NPCs want to open up Dojos in my game, for example? And if their dreams are preprogrammed, would they open up the Dojo with the same services they did in the author's game or is that randomized? Because if it's entirely hardcoded, listing the NPCs who correlate to which shop and which services would be a good idea, but if we aren't sure, the lines about Anneli+Jenna and Jaylen+Jess need to be reworded to sound more theoretical and not definitive. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
:Most of the information in the games, regarding NPCs, is NOT randomly generated. While I have not looked at dumps of the information yet, there are certainly people who have. However, you might be on to something with Join Avenue - a quick look at Serebii reveals that they lack a section about NPCs on the Avenue. I personally have also wondered this, if the NPCs are databased or procedurally generated. I'll reword it for now, but eventually we will need to either have a table of NPCs or a piece of trivia that states that the NPCs are procedurally generated. FWIW, I _can_ start databasing the NPCs I find, but I won't unless it is needed. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 01:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
::[http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/joinavenuefans.shtml Actually...] '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that is actually why I just came here to this talk page again. We can't directly copy from Serebii; I don't know, but I think it is OK to paraphrase it all _after_ we have confirmation that the information is correct - I'd say confirming 95%, but others might say 85%. I am not an authority on this. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
::::I can't vouch for specific variants of shops(a,b,c,d), as I only just recently started collecting data on join avenue, but thus far all of the NPCs have wanted to open shops in line with the chart in this article. So I'm +1 to confirm each character at least wants to open a shop of the listed type. [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 07:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

== On the item pages ==

Should the Avenue be mentioned on the item pages? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

== Excited customers ==

Has anybody had more than two customers visit multiple shops in one day? So far I've only seen two, but I'm not sure if it can be three, four, or if there's even a limit. For all I know every customer could go to every shop, but that'd be a super lucky streak to get. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
:Super lucky I am. I had some ridiculously excited customer who went to all my shops a few days ago. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 05:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
::I mean, I know they can do that, haha. But I got two of those customers in one day. I was trying to find out if anybody has had more than two customers do that in one day. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
:::That? My avenue's rank is still some one-digit number, so can't help you there. Sorry for the misunderstanding. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 06:00, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
::::No worries. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 06:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::Just yesterday, I had one customer visit 6 shops, and a couple visit two shops. Rank 15. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
*I've had at least three in one day do it, but they only visited two or three stores each. Unfortunately, I have no idea what level my Avenue was at the time, but it was likely pretty high since it was 27 or 28 before I got around to beating the Elite Four. (That was four days ago. A little while ago I hit level 30. That gives you some idea of how quickly I advance JA levels.) --[[User:Kitsunegami|Kitsunegami]] ([[User talk:Kitsunegami|talk]]) 07:41, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
:It definitely seems that store owners can recommend shops to fans, and sometimes the fans will go there, sometimes they'll say "Next time." One odd instance I saw is that a fan went to a shop recommended by another store owner, and then left the shop saying it "wasn't what they had in mind." I had figured that could only happen if '''you''' point someone towards the wrong shop. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 13:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

== Profit ==

Should it be noted that you can make money off of Join Avenue? Even with consolation prize of hard stones in the antique shop could net some serious cash. And buying the mulch could make you quite a bit of money. And there other examples. Is that notable or not? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 08:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
:Generally, from what I have seen, game strategy usually isn't mentioned, but I'm not staff or anything.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 23:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== Join Avenue Promotions ==

I noticed there is no mention of Join Avenue promotions, not even on the other major Pokemon info sites. All 8 of my Avenue's shops reached Rank 10, which triggered a 7-day long "promotion". Here are some pictures to show this:

[http://i.imgur.com/uKPbP.jpg Shopkeeper talking about promotion.]

[http://i.imgur.com/DqqMZ.jpg Picture says 6 days, but it was initially at 7.]

[http://i.imgur.com/vfQle.jpg All shop items and services are heavily discounted. These are prices at my mart at Avenue Rank 36 with Promotion discount.]

[http://i.imgur.com/Jsov7.jpg Raffle Shop gives you an extra item draw during promotion.]

[[User:Mrbubble|Mrbubble]] ([[User talk:Mrbubble|talk]]) 11:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Did you write down what the promotions were? 
If so, I think that this is notable enough for the article. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 20:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
:We do mention some details on the special promotion. See [[Join_Avenue#Shop_rank|here]] for the details that are present. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
== In-game item descriptions ==

Should they be included here? For example, next to Super Bog Box from the Antique Shop, it would say "A container with something inside. It's very heavy. Get it appraised to find out what's inside." --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 05:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
:It doesn't seem to be a problem to do. Granted, there might be little benefit for most items and services. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

== Dojo and Cafe spading ==

These are some of the stats I have for my Dojo and Cafe, since they seem to have relatively little information in them. Sorry for my lack of wiki formatting knowledge.

'''Dojo Rank 7:'''

Training Lv. 2 - +2 Levels

Training Lv. 1 - +1 Level

Defense Lv. 32 - +32 Def EV

Sp. Atk Lv. 24 - +24 SpA EV

Sp. Def Lv. 24 - +24 SpD EV

Speed Lv. 16 - +16 Spe EV

HP Lv. 16 - +16 HP EV

Attack Lv. 8 - +8 Atk EV

Defense Lv. 8 - +8 Def EV

Sp. Atk Lv. 4 - +4 SpA EV

Sp. Def Lv. 4 - +4 SpD EV

'''Cafe Rank 10:'''

Wonder Dinner - +8 Lvl

Wonder Dessert - +3 Lvl

Secret Dish A - +48 HP EV

Secret Dish B - +48 Atk EV

Secret Dish C - +48 Def EV

Power Lunch A - +20 HP EV

Power Lunch B - +20 Atk EV

Power Lunch C - +20 Def EV

Power Lunch D - +20 SpA EV

Power Lunch E - +20 SpD EV

Power Lunch F - +20 Spe EV

Friendly Combo - +? Happiness

Loyalty Meal - +1 Lvl

Wonder Brunch - +1 Lvl

Friendly Drink - +Happiness

Friendly Lunch - +? Happiness

--[[User:Digitrev|Digitrev]] ([[User talk:Digitrev|talk]]) 22:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Judging by the prices, I think the Secret Dishes (priced between the Training L32 and L64 in the dojos, and the prices of equivalent services are usually consistent between the different shops) give you 48 EVs in whatever stat instead of 32. Also, this is an example of my Dojo Rank 10.
{| border="1"
|-
|Training L4, 3, 2 and 1
| +4/3/2/1 levels.
|-
|DF, SpA L64
| +64 DF/SpA EVs.
|-
|SpD, SpE L32
| +32 SpD/SpE EVs.
|-
|HP, DF L24
| +24 HP/DF EVs.
|-
|DF, SpA L16
| +16 DF/SpA.
|-
|SpD, SpE L8
| +8 SpD, SpE EVs.
|-
|HP, SK L4
| +4 HP, AK EVs.
|}
Also, there is [[Bulbapedia:Wikicode#Tables|this page]] for table code.
[[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 00:57, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

== Condition For Extra Market Items ==
My game has already beaten the elite 4, and the join avenue market did not have the bonus items such as revives, hyper potions, and max repels. I just hit avenue rank 15 today and these items were added, so that's clearly a trigger for them. however, the hall of fame requirement already listed on this page is something i can't confirm as also being required, so someone who has an avenue of at least rank 15 and hasn't beaten the hall of fame, please check to see if the aforementioned items are available to confirm whether or not the hall of fame is a requirement. [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 06:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

== Expandable? ==

Can the vistors table and/or the recommending visitors table be made expandable? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 13:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:Of course. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 13:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

== Youngster Janus ==

It says in the article that the shop that Younster Janus opens "Varies with ID" how does this work? 
I know that in my {{tt|game|Pokémon White 2}} he opened a dojo, and my {{tt|Trainer ID|Public}} is 25160. Does anyone know? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 19:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
:I would assume that they might take the ID and divide it by 8 to determine what Janus does or something similar. Granted, without digging through the code, I am unsure if an answer could easily be found. {{tt|--|42056 on Black 2 gave Janus a Raffle Shop}}[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Possibly the remainder of Trainer ID divided by 7:
*0=Raffle
*1=Beauty Salon
*2=Dojo
*3=Market
*4=Flower Shop
*5=Antique Shop
*6=Café
That holds true for us at least. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 03:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
::I tested the formula mentioned in the previous post, and it seems to work for me, too. He opened a café in my game, and my Trainer ID is 55866. When performing the calculation, the remainder was 6, the remainder that was predicted for Janus to open a café. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
:::I support the research you're doing, here my results of my two Pokémon Black 2 (original and ROM): Trainer ID with remainder 5 he opened an atique shop; and with remainder 3 he opened a marktet. I hope I helped.--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 15:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

::I think that this is enough supportive evidence to put it on the page as long as we find someone with a trainer ID that has a remainder of 1 or 4 to make sure that they correspond correctly. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 16:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
:::I have gone ahead added it to the article, hopefully 1, and 4 are correct. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 02:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
::::It works for number 1. My trainer ID, 49036, when divided by 7, equals 1, and Janus became a Barber. --[[User:PlatinaKoki|PlatinaKoki]] ([[User talk:PlatinaKoki|talk]]) 18:33, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Well, it looks like research is done! The formula is Trainer ID Modulo 7! -[[User:IVsaur|EVsAndIVsaurs]] ''([[User talk:IVsaur|Talk]])'' 02:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

== This phrase ==

"(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)" and the table says it varies from request to request. Well, I've answered this one about 6-7 times and counting (About who had the most Link trades, Medals, visitors and etc.), all of them led to a same person from my avenue and every time the award is always 200 points, with real characters asking them. So I should put another person in my Avenue with different records to see if the points awarded change, or can I assume alreday that the phrase mentioned above always deals 200 points per visitor that aren't NPCs? Well, that's my case...--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 16:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

== Nursery Effectiveness ==

Does anyone know what each of the purchasable options at a nursery do, in terms of how many steps they reduce the egg hatching time by? I only just opened one up, able I was able to hatch a brand new Eevee egg with the three Warm Lv. 1's available, but that's all I know. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 20:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have any solid data on this, but the effectiveness of a given level of warming appears to be somewhat random. In my case, what happened once was that I hatched a newer Eevee egg using fewer levels of warming than an older Eevee egg (the older egg should have hatched first). Or at least, that's what I remember having happened (it was a while ago). :P --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 07:59, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
::To me, it being random doesn't make any sense, or there would be no need for levels. I can gather it would be tough to determine seeing as two identical eggs could have a different number of total cycles needed to hatch them, but I'm sure someone out there has broken into the game code to see what each one does exactly. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 14:47, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
:Based on the extremely limited testing I've done so far, it looks like some very bizarre system was set up. It does appear random, to some extent. I saved in front of the nursery and then just tried several combinations out over and over again, restarting every time. It would seem that what happens is, when the "service" is generated for the day, it is randomly assigned some value of "egg hatching effectiveness," which is then kept until the next shop service regeneration. The same "Warm Lv3" got the same response of "doesn't seem close to hatching" while another consistently brought the same egg to "close to hatching." I'm guessing that having a higher level will make it MORE LIKELY to generate a good result, but it's not assured. Basically, one day my Lv3's were sucky enough to need three to hatch the egg, while my Lv2's got it done in two services. Two of the Lv3's just left it at "doesn't seem close" while there third hatched it, but when switching it up and doing that third Lv3 first, it brought it all the way to "close to," thus meaning saving it until the end was a waste. Lv5 has so far pretty much always got it to hatch, but I seem to remember a Lv4 leaving it at "close to." I would say that, essentially, the services are generated with a set number of steps they will remove, with more of a chance of it being higher, or maybe just in some sort of higher range of values, the higher their level is.
:Basically, save and test out which services bring the egg closer to hatching so you can get those first. I probably won't be able to add more as I'm not a coding person, but this is what happened when I did some simple save scumming. [[User:Erasmus|Erasmus]] ([[User talk:Erasmus|talk]]) 19:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
::Makes about as much sense as anything else on Join Avenue. Thanks, though. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 21:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

== Opening Which Shops ==
What actually determines what shop another player will open? The article doesn't specify, as far as I can see. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
:It's the answer to a question that one of the assistants asks them. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
::Is that what the assistant Future does by default? So many of the JA quotes are so damned cryptic..... [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 16:18, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

==What's this?==
Yesterday I got my avenue rank up to 15 (btw, I immediately skipped it to 16 because Cheren appeared), and every time I go there I check every shop with the "How are you?" feature. Even tough yesterday I did so AFTER I ranked up (both times), and nothing unusual happened, today, still at the same rank (the only special happening was the opening of my eighth shop, a nursery), I noticed that everyone except for the one of the café started the report with "I'll work hard today" (the one from the mart said "I'll work with dedication today", or something). I asked more that once, and even went out and returned to the avenue, but still, they continued saying the same thing before reporting the status of the shop - and yet with the exception of the café! Could someone please explain me why is this happenning? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Experience

2013-03-02T19:26:55Z

Legionaireb: /* EXP and Tag Battles */ new section

== The erratic formula ==

Erratic (600000)
E = -1/50*l^4 + 2*l^3 for level<=50

http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001260

It's mentioned in the thread that level 45 does not work for that. Level 45 is 100273, not 100237. [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 16:42, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind the previous message, I figured it out myself. [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 18:09, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Simplify the formulas ==

<pre>
Was that copied from matlab or something? It can be simplified...

((0.814 - 0.02*(((n - 69) / 3) - (((n - 69) / 3) modulo 1)) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)

((0.814 - 0.02*(((n - 69) / 3) - float_part((n - 69) / 3) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)
((0.814 - 0.02*( int((n - 69) / 3) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)
((0.814 - 0.02*( int(n/3 - 23) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)
((0.814 + 0.46 - 0.02*( int(n/3) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)

int( ( 1.274 - 0.02*(int(n/3)) - ep(n%3) ) * (n^3) )
That would be easier to read.
</pre>

<pre>2*(1 - 0.01n)*(n3)
= int( 2n3 - 0.02n4 )</pre>

<pre>( 1 - ((n - 50)*0.01) ) * (n^3)
= int( 1.5n3 - 0.01n4 )</pre>

<pre>(1.6 - 0.01n) * (n3)
= int( 1.6n3 - 0.01n4 )</pre>



[[User:Qgpr|Qgpr]]03:05, 01 Mar 2005

I really want to avoid using expressions that are not standard math notation. I don't even know if there's a way to represent some integer rounding using standard math notation, just some pseudo-code, that's why I stuck mod 1 subtraction in there. My plan was to simplify/clean it up once TeX was implemented on bulbapedia.

In the meanwhile you can simplify them. Just keep "mod" or "modulo" instead of "%" and avoid "int()." [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 20:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The big problem is that when I first read that I got confused. No person that would bother to understand that formula wouldn't know how to program anyways, to represent that rounding you use ||x|| I think, maximum integer, unless I got the symbol wrong, long time I don't touch math.
I'll leave that formula but also add the simplification for anyone that wants someting simplier to read.
I will also simplify your standard math formulas, but won't add the ||x|| because I am not sure if its the right symbol, those - 69 can be taken out of modulo since they will be equal to zero.
[[User:Qgpr|Qgpr]] 20:03, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT-5)

: |x| is modul'''us''' - gives the absolute value of function, i.e. |-0.5| = 0.5. Modul'''o''' is simply represented as ''mod'' in mathematics. Anyway, while we do not have TeX at the moment, you can try this instead - leave the original math formula as a <nowiki></nowiki>, and copy the image from Wikipedia (it will generate the image on preview, so you can download that and reupload it here. Don't overdo it of course.)

: ||x|| ( double | ) is what I was taught here at college, but I guess is not an standard, however I found what it seems is the standard, and used the UTF code to show it. However <*pre> is not happy with <*sub>, you should find a way around because mine doesn't look that good. By the way it was "greatest integer" not maximum, problems for using a direct translation. [[User:Qgpr|Qgpr]] 22:16, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT-5)

First shot at a TeX markup image. Using

<pre>
\begin{math}
b \star x \rightarrow \frac{b}{x} - (\frac{b}{x}\;mod\;1)
\end{math}

\addvspace{.2cm}

\begin{math}
e(n) = \left\{
\begin{array}{clrr}
n^3(\frac{100 - n}{50}); & 0 < n \leq 50 \\*
n^3(\frac{150 - n}{100}); & 51 \leq n \leq 68 \\*
n^3(1.274 - \frac{1}{50}(n\star3) - p(n\;mod\;3)); & 69 \leq n \leq 98 \\*
n^3(\frac{160 - n}{100}); & 99 \leq n \leq 100 \\*
\end{array}
\right\}
\end{math}

\addvspace{.2cm}

\begin{math}
p(x) = \left\{
\begin{array}{clrr}
0.000; & x = 0 \\*
0.008; & x = 1 \\*
0.014; & x = 2 \\*
\end{array}
\right\}
\end{math}
</pre>

I came up with

Kind of cramped. Does it meet the approval of you two? Looking for revisions before I even post it. Especially since I forgot how to properly represent a custom operator (\star). Is that how? [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 03:32, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This seems better:
<pre>\begin{equation}
E(n) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}
\frac{n^{3} \left(100 - n\right)}{50}, & \textrm{if $0 < n \leq 50$} \\
\frac{n^{3} \left(150 - n\right)}{100}, & \textrm{if $51 < n \leq 68$} \\
n^{3} \left(1.274 - \frac{1}{50}\left\lfloor\frac{n}{3}\right\rfloor -p\left(n \bmod 3\right)\right), & \textrm{if $69 < n \leq 98$} \\
\frac{n^{3} \left(160 - n\right)}{100}, & \textrm{if $99 < n \leq 100$}
\end{array}\right.
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
p(m) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}
0.000, & \textrm{if $m = 0$} \\
0.008, & \textrm{if $m = 1$} \\
0.014, & \textrm{if $m = 2$}
\end{array}\right.
\end{equation}
</pre>

But when I tested it on Wikipedia, there were a few problems, so if we do get around to installing Texvc, we'll have to go hammer those problems out. Also, I'd appreciate it if we could find the exact fractions for those decimalised numbers - after all, the computer works in binary, not decimal - hence we won't have 0.008, we might instead have 523/65536 (or maybe 8/1000, but the result would still be stored as a binary fraction) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 07:22, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I updated texerratic.png up there with something that looks more like yours. I didn't use Wikipedia for mine, I was using TeXnicCenter. I think the decimals are all right how they are, because they actually are more correct. I don't know exactly how the games handle decimal arithmetic, but it appears that the formulas use values accurate to 3 decimal places. (525/65536) or (523/65536) are not exactly 0.008, and if you put in those values, you'll get numbers that are off (I got about 6 points off for level 70). [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 13:47, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mmm. Since the experience points have to be accurate to about 7sf - I think the fractions should therefore be accurate to 7sf as well. But it might well be that they did use integer multiplication + division (× 8 ÷ 1000) rather than a simpler constant floating point multiplication (× (1 + 402653/224) × 2-7) - which is approximately how accurate a single-precision IEEE 754 binary fraction is. Funnily enough, IEEE 754 single-precision fractions are accurate to approx 7sf (without exponentiation) by defintion (this one is 0.008 correct to 11sf)). - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 14:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I just learned from Meowth that the game simply stores the values for these as constants in the game, so the fractions are just best-fit and the formula is not used in-game - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 14:44, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So we need to reach a conclusion. There will be a note added that says these values are stored in the game as constants, not calculated. The formulas, I guess, do not have to be specific to any system of number storage now, so are we saying that the decimal constants are acceptable? [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 15:04, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

===quick question===
Why does Level redirect here? An even better question is, why does this page link to Level, thus linking back to itself? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Sorry my reply is formatted wrong, I don't know how to do it normally yet. Anyway, the last time I checked, [[Level]] is its own, seperate article. Maybe they fixed the problem you saw before. {{SUBST:Superbreeder]] [[User talk:Superbreeder|What's up?]] 23:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Modify this! ==

Can someone modify the erratic and the fluctuating part of experience? I want to understand it like all the other ones!

:I think those formulas should be explained. It would help quite a lot of people who want to understand those formulas but haven't seen them before.[[User:Dullstar|Dullstar]] 02:16, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Color-Coded ==

I color-coded the exp type descriptions to more-or-less match the colors used on the graph. I did this to make it easier to distinguish them from eachother. I wonder where I can find the look-up table in the game, I bet I can simplify those two honking large piecewise formulas. [[User:Twigpi|Twigpi]] 15:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:See [http://www.upokecenter.com/games/rs/guides/exptable.html http://www.upokecenter.com/games/rs/guides/exptable.html]. The "1,050,000" in one of the top columns is a typo (should be "1,059,860"). At Level 1, the Experience is always "0" (here, they have it at "1"). [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Organize Pokémon ==

I really think there should be either a list of Pokémon by experience types or a category for each type. You can find out on each particular Pokémon's page, but there is no way to find Pokémon based on their experience type. [[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 13:23 23 January 2008

:Here is the whole list. Someone could modify it and put it into the main article.
<pre>
600000
Nincada/Ninjask/Shedinja
Volbeat
Swablu/Altaria
Zangoose
Lileep/Cradily
Anorith/Armaldo
Feebas/Milotic
Clamperl/Huntail/Gorebyss
Cranidos/Rampardos
Shieldon/Bastiodon
Finneon/Lumineon

800000
Cleffa/Clefairy/Clefable
Igglybuff/Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff
Happiny/Chansey/Blissey
Ledyba/Ledian
Spinarak/Ariados
Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss
Marill/Azumarill
Aipom/Ambipom
Misdreavus/Mismagius
Snubbull/Granbull
Corsola
Delibird
Smeargle
Skitty/Delcatty
Mawile
Spoink/Grumpig
Spinda
Lunatone
Solrock
Shuppet/Banette
Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
Chingling/Chimecho
Luvdisc
Glameow/Purugly

1000000
Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree
Weedle/Kakuna/Beedrill
Rattata/Raticate
Spearow/Fearow
Ekans/Arbok
Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu
Sandshrew/Sandslash
Vulpix/Ninetales
Zubat/Golbat/Crobat
Paras/Parasect
Venonat/Venomoth
Diglett/Dugtrio
Meowth/Persian
Psyduck/Golduck
Mankey/Primeape
Ponyta/Rapidash
Slowpoke/Slowbro/Slowking
Magnemite/Magneton/Magnezone
Farfetch'd
Doduo/Dodrio
Seel/Dewgong
Grimer/Muk
Onix/Steelix
Drowzee/Hypno
Krabby/Kingler
Voltorb/Electrode
Cubone/Marowak
Tyrogue/Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan/Hitmontop
Lickitung/Lickilicky
Koffing/Weezing
Tangela/Tangrowth
Kangaskhan
Horsea/Seadra/Kingdra
Goldeen/Seaking
Mime Jr./Mr. Mime
Scyther/Scizor
Smoochum/Jynx
Elekid/Electabuzz/Electivire
Magby/Magmar/Magmortar
Ditto
Eevee/Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon/Espeon/Umbreon/Leafeon/Glaceon
Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z
Omanyte/Omastar
Kabuto/Kabutops
Sentret/Furret
Hoothoot/Noctowl
Natu/Xatu
Bonsly/Sudowoodo
Yanma/Yanmega
Wooper/Quagsire
Unown
Wobbuffet
Girafarig
Dunsparce
Qwilfish
Teddiursa/Ursaring
Slugma/Magcargo
Remoraid/Octillery
Phanpy/Donphan
Poochyena/Mightyena
Zigzagoon/Linoone
Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly/Cascoon/Dustox
Wingull/Pelipper
Surskit/Masquerain
Nosepass/Probopass
Meditite/Medicham
Plusle
Minun
Numel/Camerupt
Torkoal
Barboach/Whiscash
Baltoy/Claydol
Castform
Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass
Bidoof/Bibarel
Burmy/Wormadam/Mothim
Pachirisu
Buizel/Floatzel
Cherubi/Cherrim
Shellos/Gastrodon
Buneary/Lopunny
Stunky/Skuntank
Bronzor/Bronzong
Spiritomb
Croagunk/Toxicroak
Rotom

1059860
Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur
Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard
Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise
Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot
Nidoran-F/Nidorina/Nidoqueen
Nidoran-M/Nidorino/Nidoking
Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume/Bellossom
Poliwag/Poliwhirl/Poliwrath/Politoed
Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam
Machop/Machoke/Machamp
Bellsprout/Weepinbell/Victreebel
Geodude/Graveler/Golem
Gastly/Haunter/Gengar
Mew
Chikorita/Bayleef/Meganium
Cyndaquil/Quilava/Typhlosion
Totodile/Croconaw/Feraligatr
Mareep/Flaaffy/Ampharos
Hoppip/Skiploom/Jumpluff
Sunkern/Sunflora
Murkrow/Honchkrow
Gligar/Gliscor
Shuckle
Sneasel/Weavile
Celebi
Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile
Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken
Mudkip/Marshtomp/Swampert
Lotad/Lombre/Ludicolo
Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
Taillow/Swellow
Whismur/Loudred/Exploud
Sableye
Budew/Roselia/Roserade
Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
Cacnea/Cacturne
Kecleon
Absol
Spheal/Sealeo/Walrein
Turtwig/Grotle/Torterra
Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape
Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon
Starly/Staravia/Staraptor
Kricketot/Kricketune
Shinx/Luxio/Luxray
Combee/Vespiquen
Chatot
Riolu/Lucario
Shaymin

1250000
Growlithe/Arcanine
Tentacool/Tentacruel
Shellder/Cloyster
Exeggcute/Exeggutor
Rhyhorn/Rhydon/Rhyperior
Staryu/Starmie
Pinsir
Tauros
Magikarp/Gyarados
Lapras
Aerodactyl
Munchlax/Snorlax
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Dratini/Dragonair/Dragonite
Mewtwo
Chinchou/Lanturn
Heracross
Swinub/Piloswine/Mamoswine
Mantyke/Mantine
Skarmory
Houndour/Houndoom
Stantler
Miltank
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir/Gallade
Slakoth/Vigoroth/Slaking
Aron/Lairon/Aggron
Electrike/Manetric
Carvahna/Sharpedo
Tropius
Relicanth
Bagon/Shelgon/Salamence
Beldum/Metang/Metagross
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Gible/Gabite/Garchomp
Hippopotas/Hippowdon
Skorupi/Drapion
Carnivine
Snover/Abomasnow
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Dialga
Palkia
Heatran
Regigigas
Giratina
Cresselia
Phione
Manaphy
Darkrai
Arceus

1640000
Shroomish/Breloom
Makuhita/Hariyama
Illumise
Gulpin/Swalot
Wailmer/Wailord
Seviper
Corphish/Crawdaunt
Drifloon/Drifblim
</pre>
:[[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 20:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I like this idea and think it would be useful. Anyone else agree? [[User:Eric the espeon|Eric the espeon]] 19:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but I don't know if it belongs on this page. We could create categories, but I think I like the idea of another page better, like List of Pokémon by experience requirement, or something. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Makes sense, and link to that list from here? [[User:Eric the espeon|Eric the espeon]] 18:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== ??? ==

If the formula returns a decimal, is the result rounded up or down? --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 15:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:Always rounded down, I believe. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

Does anyone else think that a chart that lists the experience needed to reach each level in an experience group would be a good addition to this page? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:yes [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 07:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::I added the charts, but, as I had a computer program generate them, I haven't been able to check the piecewise ones yet. It would be good if someone else could check the piecewise functions ("erratic" and "fluctuating") to make sure they're correct. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 00:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:::the "Erratic" one is messed up. lvl 98 is 1.2 million, and lvl 99 is under 600,000. also, thats a lot of text, so, i added the show/hide ability. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It's still messed up. Can you fix it please? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 00:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::i dont know how to fix it, i just added the show/hide things. im just noting its not right. you said you had a computer do it. try again? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::The formula for Level 98 comes out to 583539, which is correct. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 23:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::well thats fine, but currently it says lvl 98 is 1185901, which it wrong. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== Pokémon Gold/Silver Version ROM - Hack-O-Matic - "Secret" Experience functions ==

I'm sure someone else has noticed that if you use the ROM hack tool Hack-O-Matic to open a Pokémon Gold/Silver ROM and edit Pokémon, there will be eight "experience gradient" choices for each Pokémon as opposed to the four that were actually used in Generation II. I've figured out three of the four "secret" functions, and due to a glitch in Hack-O-Matic I can't examine the fourth one. 
Hack-O-Matic displays the eight experience functions as eight "types" (the numbers go from Level 2 to 100):
{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|
===1===
Formula is 0.25n^3 + 15n^2 + 205n – 107
|-
|
<pre>
365
649
969
1324
1717
2148
2621
3135
3693
4295
4945
5642
6389
7186
8037
8941
9901
10917
11993
13128
14325
15584
16909
18299
19757
21283
22881
24550
26293
28110
30005
31977
34029
36161
38377
40676
43061
45532
48093
50743
53485
56319
59249
62274
65397
68618
71941
75365
78893
82525
86265
90112
94069
98136
102317
106611
111021
115547
120193
124958
129845
134854
139989
145249
150637
156153
161801
167580
173493
179540
185725
192047
198509
205111
211857
218746
225781
232962
240293
247773
255405
263189
271129
279224
287477
295888
304461
313195
322093
331155
340385
349782
359349
369086
378997
389081
399341
409777
420393
</pre>
|}
===2===
Same as Fifth Type
{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|
===3===
0.75n^3 + 10n^2 – 30
|-
|
<pre>
16
80
178
313
492
717
994
1326
1720
2178
2706
3307
3988
4751
5602
6544
7584
8724
9970
11325
12796
14385
16098
17938
19912
22022
24274
26671
29220
31923
34786
37812
41008
44376
47922
51649
55564
59669
63970
68470
73176
78090
83218
88563
94132
99927
105954
112216
118720
125468
132466
139717
147228
155001
163042
171354
179944
188814
197970
207415
217156
227195
237538
248188
259152
270432
282034
293961
306220
318813
331746
345022
358648
372626
386962
401659
416724
432159
447970
464160
480736
497700
515058
532813
550972
569537
588514
607906
627720
647958
668626
689727
711268
733251
755682
778564
801904
825704
849970
</pre>
|}
{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|
===4===
0.75n^3 + 20n^2 – 70
|-
|
<pre>
16
130
298
523
812
1167
1594
2096
2680
3348
4106
4957
5908
6961
8122
9394
10784
12294
13930
15695
17596
19635
21818
24148
26632
29272
32074
35041
38180
41493
44986
48662
52528
56586
60842
65299
69964
74839
79930
85240
90776
96540
102538
108773
115252
121977
128954
136186
143680
151438
159466
167767
176348
185211
194362
203804
213544
223584
233930
244585
255556
266845
278458
290398
302672
315282
328234
341531
355180
369183
383546
398272
413368
428836
444682
460909
477524
494529
511930
529730
547936
566550
585578
605023
624892
645187
665914
687076
708680
730728
753226
776177
799588
823461
847802
872614
897904
923674
949930
</pre>
|}
===5===
First Type
===6===
Fourth Type
===7===
Sixth Type
===8===
Unknown due to glitch in Hack-O-Matic. Hack-O-Matic provides graphs for each experience function, but they may not be accurate. Do you want me to upload that graph's picture anyway? 
Are these "hidden" experience functions notable enough to be added to the article somewhere? Thanks. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 20:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont understand any of this? Could you make it clearer for the average user to be able to read, if an average person sees that they wont be able to understand it, only smart people will --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:When a Pokémon gains experience it levels up. Different Pokémon level up at different rates, and take different amounts of experience to gain each level. Some Pokémon level up faster than others. The amount of experience a Pokémon needs to gain a level is determined by one of eight possible formulas. That's really the premise of the whole article. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

oh ok thank you, it was that last line "The amount of experience a Pokémon needs to gain a level is determined by one of eight possible formulas." I didnt really get till you explained it. I just thought they made the pokemon that way, i wasnt aware there was a formula, if this is in the article, can we have the easier to understand version, your version, underneath the complicated bit. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:I'll add some clarification to the article later. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== List of base experence yeald ==

Can someone add this in as a hide able table?{{unsigned|Eric the espeon}}''; massive amount of data hidden by {{u|the dark lord trombonator|trom}}.''

:Already in [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]]. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
No, that is EV yield.. The list I provided was base EXP yield. Quite a major difference there. [[User:Eric the espeon|Eric the espeon]] 17:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the article, there's a column marked "Exp.", which contains exactly the same data that you have provided. Confusing, I know. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. This article should probably link to that list then, no? [[User:Eric the espeon|Eric the espeon]] 21:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

==Negative EXP==
According to the "medium slow" formula, the EXP for level 1 should be -54. This is exploited in the [http://tasvideos.org/950M.html Pokémon Blue TAS]. However there's no sign of this in the article. Was it fixed in later games? {{unsigned|Gyorokpeter }}
:It was fixed as of Generation III at the latest, I believe. According to the article, "Due most likely to the issue of speed when using these formulas, the GBA games will simply use a {{wp|lookup table}} for each value of any type instead of computing them. Because of this, these formulas are not actually part of the game mechanics." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 05:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

== Experience gain in battle ==
The section on the experience gained in battle only mentions the total experience gained, and not how experience is spread throughout multiple participants in the battle. That information seems like a useful mechanic and should be appended by someone who can add it. --[[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] 19:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:It is divided evenly among participants, unless some participants have EXP share or whatever. In this case, they receive their share plus the bonus from the held item. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::How is it divided among arbitrary amounts of Pokémon involved in the battle, and Pokémon with Exp. Share, including cases where Pokémon have both an Exp. Share and participated in the battle? There are many different cases. For example, when some Pokémon have Exp. Share and some don't, but some of the Pokémon with Exp. Share participated and some didn't, but also some Pokémon without Exp. Share that did participate, etc. --[[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] 04:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know exactly how experience is divided among multiple Exp. Share holders (does each Pokémon with Exp. Share receive (1/(number of Exp. Shares + 1))*(total experience), or does each receive (1/2)*(total experience)*(1/number of Exp. Shares), or something else?), but the experience '''that is not allocated solely as a result of Exp. Share being held''' is always divided evenly among the participants of the battle, regardless of whether or not those participants hold Exp. Share. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 06:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Switching??? ==

I'll give an example.

Say I have a Charizard out, and the opponent has Venusaur. The opponent switches to Blastoise, and later I switch to Raichu. If the opponent switches back to Venusaur, and I KO it, will my Charizard still gain exp? '''-''' [[User Talk:Axxonn|Axxonn]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|the]][[User talk:Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 20:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, at least not in my experience. The Pokémon must face the Pokémon since it has last been sent out from its Poké Ball. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Nope. Tried it before. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Errors with formulas? ==
I was just double-checking the erratic output based on the formula given, when I realized that the given formula is impossible, in programming terms. Specifically, the game would never output two values for levels 50, 68, and 98, as the current formula shows it does. So I checked to see what the correct distribution of the formulas was, and came up with the following: level 50 could go either way, as both formulas it is attributed to result in the same output, level 68 is calculated based on the second formula given, and level 98 is calculated on the final formula. In other words, the actual division of the formulas should be something along the lines of the first applying to levels below or equal to 50, the second applying to levels greater than 50 but less than or equal to 68, the third applying to levels greater than 68 but less than to 98 (or, to keep similar formatting, apply to levels greater than 68 but less than or equal to 97), and the final one applying to levels greater than or equal to 98 (or, to keep formatting, apply to levels greater than 97). [[User:Glitchfinder|Glitchfinder]] 03:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

It would also appear that quite a bit has been left out of the fluctuating piecewise function. Specifically, it would appear that the formula used for levels one through 14 will change based on the level modulo 3, resulting in three different yet very similar formulas for these levels. The middle levels, from 15 to 34, remain with the same formula that is given. However, it would appear that there are two separate formulas used for levels 35 to 100, determined by the level modulo 2. Here is the code I was using to test the function, which is written in Ruby:

test.fluctuating[1] = 0
for i in 2...101
if i >= 1 && i < 15 && i % 3 == 0
val = ((i.to_f ** 3.0) * ((24.0 + ((i.to_f) / 3.0)) / 50.0))
elsif i >= 1 && i < 15 && i % 3 == 1
val = ((i.to_f ** 3.0) * ((24.0 + ((i.to_f - 1.0) / 3.0)) / 50.0))
elsif i >= 1 && i < 15 && i % 3 == 2
val = ((i.to_f ** 3.0) * ((24.0 + ((i.to_f + 1.0) / 3.0)) / 50.0))
elsif i >= 15 && i < 35
val = ((i.to_f ** 3.0) * ((14.0 + i.to_f) / 50.0))
elsif i >= 35 && i <= 100 && i % 2 == 0
val = ((i.to_f ** 3.0) * ((32.0 + (i.to_f / 2.0)) / 50.0))
elsif i >= 35 && i <= 100 && i % 2 == 1
val = ((i.to_f ** 3.0) * ((32.0 + ((i.to_f - 1.0) / 2.0)) / 50.0))
end
test.fluctuating[i] = val.truncate
end
Please note that the code is given as a demonstration of how the formulas are chosen, and does not include the necessary setup for the test variable. I don't know the Wikipedia math functions well enough to replace the image, so it would be a good idea for someone else to do it instead. [[User:Glitchfinder|Glitchfinder]] 05:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe that the modulo operator business is already covered in the formulas, using the floor function symbol (looks a little like square brackets). But I do agree that the erratic functions' domains should be clarified as you said. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 05:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::That would certainly explain the problem. There should probably be a note stating that those values are actually encased in a floor function, and not simply placed within brackets. (I had to look quite closely to see that they were in fact the floor function symbols, and not simply brackets, like I had assumed they were) [[User:Glitchfinder|Glitchfinder]] 05:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Understanding the formulas ==

Could anyone tell me what is ment with "N" in the formulas?
I can't find it anywhere on the page. {{unsigned|Ragnearoa}}
:"n" generally means "number" when used in equations as a variable, in this case... I believe the "n" stands for the base experience given out by a Pokemon. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::"n" actually represents the level of the Pokémon. "e(n)" is therefore the number of Exp. Points a Pokémon needs to get from level 1 to level "n". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Erratic formula ==

The erratic formula's piecewise functions are defined inclusively in all inequalities, and thus overlap.
[[Image:Math-formula5.png|left]] [[Image:Expcalc_erratic.png|right]]
<div style="clear:both"></div>
The left formula is how I believe it should be, the right is the current one. -- [[User:Pokey|Pokey]] 07:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
: At the overlaps, the values are equal. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Does Not Compute ==
The Trivia sections on the species pages for Arceus, Blissey and Chansey all state that they give 13,933 experience at level 100 when owned by a Trainer. But based on the way that the experience given in battle formula is written right now (with ''a'' being 1 plus an additional possible 1.2 depending on Trainer status, trade, and foreign language), it only equals 8,014, not 13,933.

''a''=2.2 ''b''=255 ''L''=100 ''a''+''b''+''L''=56,100 56,100/7=8,014

Add a Lucky Egg (multiply by 1.5) onto that and you only get 12,021. The only way to get the 13,933 is to multiply 1.5 for the trade and 1.7 for the foreign language ''after'' the initial Trainer experience (with ''a'' being 1.5) has been calculated, not to add .5 and .2 to ''a''. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 17:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:We'd better look into that. Perhaps you don't add 0.5 to a, but multiply a by 1.5 instead. I'll see about it. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on, you mean: if you calculate 1.5x for the Lucky Egg, 1.7x for the foreign language trade, and 1.5x for the Trainer battle as well.
:::If we're going by that logic, it might actually be that you multiply everything, instead of adding to the multiplier. In which case it would actually be 14,753 experience points. I'll still have to look into it. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, I found out. I tried battling against a trainer's Level 28 Mime Jr. with a German-traded Gabite holding a Lucky Egg. The base Exp. is exactly 312, and it gained 1193, which is 1.5 x 1.7 x 1.5. So yes, you actually do need to multiply 1.5 twice, and the article as it stands now is wrong. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Fixed. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Minor wording issue ==
I didn't want to just go in and edit this without asking. The section on the Experience Underflow glitch contains the following sentence:
''It is due to this bug that no level 1 Pokémon can be found in the wild without glitching or hacking the game, and why, even though level 2-4 Pokémon can be found wild, Pokémon hatched at level 5 in the first two generations.''
However, since breeding and, by extension, hatching eggs wasn't added until Generation II, shouldn't the sentence be changed to state that "Pokémon hatched at level 5 in the second generation"? The following paragraph refers to level 5 hatching in Generation III, so I don't feel it's necessary to add it here. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 08:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Changed to "''Pokémon hatched at level 5 when eggs were introduced in Generation II.''" [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Use of asymptotic notation ==

It's not really appropriate to use asymptotic notation in the manner this article does currently: the notion is not really useful unless the functions tend to 0 or infinity, as we can write many statements that say equally true and unhelpful things. For example, all six functions in the article are O(1) at n=100, or O(n), or O(n^10) (using the lim sup definition in the Wikipedia article, for example), none of which show the detail we want.

In other words, the notation is effectively meaningless the way it is being used. Perhaps considering f(x)-f(100) would be better.

Small extra note: to be rather fussy, similar remarks could be made about the way the article used "continuous" before I removed it: these functions are defined on the integers, and since there is no way of talking about limits on a finite set of integers, you can't talk about continuity either. (The integers are called discrete or totally disconnected because of the way the topologies on them must be defined, if anyone wants more detail.) Of course, this also means you can't use asymptotic notation in this case at all... [[User:Chappers|Chappers]] 00:32, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

: Alright, I'll remove that part. A friend of mine also said it was inappropriate too.
:: Also, about the "continuous" function part, I can see why it's notation abuse now. I just meant to say that it wasn't piecewise, and could be represented as one function. I guess "polynomial" is a good compromise if we can't really find a suitable word for it. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where to put this? ==

[[File:ExpToNextLevel.png|300px|thumb|right|A graph showing the number of experience points required to go from one level to the next.]]

I created a table with the number of experience points required to go from one level to the ''next'' level, not just from level 1 to a level, but the formula won't fit anywhere.

Image is to the right. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 20:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Misleading names ==

The Medium Slow (a.k.a. Parabolic) function is not actually strictly slower than the Medium Fast (a.k.a Cubic) function.

The only functions that are actually strictly ordered in terms of speed of levelling up are the Slow, Medium Fast, and Fast functions. The other three are all quirky.

What I'd suggest is renaming the Medium Fast function to simply Medium, and rename the Medium Slow function to... something. I still need to come up with a name, hence why I haven't actually edited the page yet. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 00:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

:You could just change it to "Parabolic", but do leave a reminder that there exist different names for the experience functions. In my opinion "Erratic" and "Fluctuating" are okay names for their respective functions. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Or, to go with the quirky nature of the function compared to the others, rename it to "Quirky". Because "parabolic" is a huge misnomer. What do you think? (I didn't say anything about Erratic or Fluctiating... o_O) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 17:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Hard to say, since you're the first person I've ever seen to refer to that experience function as "Quirky". I just mentioned Erratic and Fluctuating because you didn't, and I wasn't sure what your own opinion was on those names. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:07, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, I didn't mention those, but I think they're perfectly fine. It was just the four that were "ranked" by speed that I had a problem with - and even then it's only the Medium Slow one simply because it doesn't even fit into that rank nicely. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 13:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, even those three names should probably be changed to "Cubic", "Fast Cubic", and "Slow Cubic". It just doesn't make sense to rank them all by speed if they vary so much. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 13:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::You could try something like "Fast (Cubic)", "Medium (Cubic)", and "Slow (Cubic)". As for 1059860, we might be able to get away with calling it "Parabolic" and adding a note that the name only refers to the existence of a "not-purely-cubic" part in the function. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not to mention all the article-renaming we'd have to do. >_< [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 14:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Experience table for PMD ==

It seems random, at least from what I've played so far. I have a character named Vino the Torchic, and here's her experience table for levels 7 through 15:

{| class="roundy" border="2"
|-
! class="roundytl" style="background: #CF4000; color:#FFFFFF;" | Level
! class="roundytr" style="background: #CF4000; color:#FFFFFF;" | Exp.
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 7
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 410
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 8
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 700
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 9
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 1250
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 10
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 2250
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 11
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 4150
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 12
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 7290
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 13
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 10430
|-
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 14
| style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 15430
|-
| class="roundybl" style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | 15
| class="roundybr" style="background: #FF7800; color:#FFFFFF;" | (etc.)
|}

I don't see a formula here at all. Does anybody have the full table? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 23:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, no, I did find a table, from UPokeCenter. But man, those numbers are arbitrary. From levels 16 through 24, the EXP. required to get to the next level is always 6000. o_O [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 23:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Exp. gain formula ==

I'm doing research on it right now, by watching playthroughs. Apparently, there's actually a ''+1'' in the formula >_> [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, here it is:

[[File:Delta_exp_gen5.png]]

The only differences in the formula is that the 7 has now been changed to a 5, and the dL represents the level relationship factor, which I'm still trying to figure out. Also, a constant of 1 is now added to all experience point yields, probably to prevent defeated monsters from yielding 0 experience points due to a low dL modifier. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:Do you know if any rounding down is involved in the calculation? [[User:Hexagon Theory|Hexagon Theory]] 03:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is, but I don't know where it applies. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 14:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:This formula can't be correct; no matter where I apply or don't apply rounding, I get slightly higher or slightly lower values than the experience I actually get in the game. Also, unless this one formula gets special treatment out of all the formulas in the game, the Pokémon games round down after every division or any other operation resulting in a non-integer, so if this were literally it, the level factor could never be anything between 0 and 1. [[User:Dragonfree|Dragonfree]] 14:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::I think it multiplies by the defeated Pokémon's level + 2 first. It's been correct every time ''I've'' checked it, at any rate. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:48, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Could you include some of your calculations and data? It could speed up finding out what's going on here. [[User:Dragonfree|Dragonfree]] 23:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, take your first battle with the other starters - Level 5 vs. Level 5 (a level multiplier of 1) gives you 43 experience points. The starters' base yield is 28, which is multiplied by 1.5 because it's a trainer battle, giving you 42. No other multipliers apply, so you add 1 to 42 which gives you 43. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::::For that matter, could you report some of your own data? You might be applying the wrong formula. I'll set up a report section on the talk page for it.

Okay, I'm new here so I hope I'm not breaking any rules, but so far, the formula looks pretty accurate. I've only begun research on this a few days ago, battling my Yooterii against wild Pokemon around Route 1 of levels 2 through 4. I kept my Yooterii as the 'constant,' creating a data table as it levels from battles against wild Pokemon.

From the experiences gained, I've been able to construct this formula:

[(base experience)(level)/5] + 1 = total experience.

However, this is only when both the user's and wild Pokemon's levels are equal. The only question I have is what all of the variables represent, such as a and e. Again, I'm very new to this, so any explanation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

P.S. I am constructing a large data table for various battles. Would anyone like to help me, or be interested in the data?

--[[User:Xazel|Xazel]] 06:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

: Sorry, but we got to all this information already. The only thing left to do now is to find out how the relative level multiplier works. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 00:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:: Also, what the variables represent are on the page itself. a represents "trainer battle", t represents "trainer ownership", b represents "base", e represents "lucky egg", l represents "level", and s represents "share", or "exp.share". [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 00:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me what the above ^2.5 power means? We're discussing this on Yahoo Answers and I'm trying to calculate what would actually happen if a level 70 Pokemon took down a level 70 Latias or Latios. It doesn't matter because they yield the same EXP Points at any given level. ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 09:01, 7 January 2012 (UTC))

== Base EXP ==

The page currently says that the Pokemon that gives the most base EXP is Blissey with 608 - only every other page on this wiki and on other sites says that it's only 255. (Tabunne, for the record, has a yield of 390.) It also says that the fifth-gen starters give the least at 28; this time, the NUMBER is right, but Magikarp still apparently only gives 20. What gives? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
: Those yields are still from before Generation V. The information on other pages is correct for Generations IV and prior. I haven't had the time nor the patience to change them all yet. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 00:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Magikarp's yield is now 40, BTW. Just so you know [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 00:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Report anomalies in the new Exp. gain formula ==

As far as we know right now, this is the new formula for experience used in Gen.5:

[[File:Delta_exp_gen5.png]]

If you think this formula might not apply to a certain type of battle, append your case to the bottom of this post with the following data:
*The Pokémon that was defeated, and its level.
*The Pokémon that were involved in the battle, and their levels.
*Whether the battle was a Trainer battle or not.
*Whether the Pokémon involved were holding any items.

Your support is much appreciated. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 23:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

=== Report 1 (example) ===

On the GameFAQ's forums, a user named JakeisaLie reported the following: A Level 48 Tabunne, was defeated by a level 52 Rotom holding a Lucky Egg, and yielded 5119 experience points instead of 5201 as the formula predicts.

The level difference multiplier, in this case, seems to be 72/79 (48 / 52+(2/3)), instead of 50/54 (48+2 / 50+2). [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 16:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

=== Watched some playthroughs of the first bit of the game... ===
... and what I found is below. I didn't record what Pokémon were used to battle, because I didn't think it was relevant. None of the Pokémon were holding any experience-affecting items. Format is <pre><level of player's Pokémon> vs. <level of defeated Pokémon> <defeated Pokémon>: <Exp. gained> (formula predicts <exp. expected from formula>)</pre>
{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|'''"Big" list (click "show")'''
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<pre>
Trainer battles:
Choroneko (56 base exp.):
Level 7 vs. level 7 Choroneko: 118 (formula predicts 118)
Level 9 vs. level 7 Choroneko: 96 (formula predicts 97)
Level 10 vs. level 7 Choroneko: 88 (formula predicts 89)

Level 11 vs. level 8 Choroneko: 102 (formula predicts 104)
Level 12 vs. level 8 Choroneko: 94 (formula predicts 97)
Level 13 vs. level 8 Choroneko: 86 (formula predicts 90)

Level 13 vs. level 10 Choroneko: 133 (formula predicts 135)
Level 14 vs. level 10 Choroneko: 123 (formula predicts 127)

Level 16 vs. level 12 Choroneko: 153 (formula predicts 157)

Dokkora (61 base exp.):
Level 16 vs. level 13 Dokkora: 195 (formula predicts 199)

Haderia (130 base exp.):
Level 20 vs. level 18 Haderia: 632 (formula predicts 639)

Mamepato (53 base exp.):
Level 16 and level 15 vs. level 13 Mamepato: 84 (level 16) and 90 (level 15) (formula predicts 87 and 92)

Meguroco (58 base exp.):
Level 22 vs. level 14 Meguroco: 151 (formula predicts 163)

Minezumi (51 base exp.):
Level 8 vs. level 7 Minezumi: 96 (formula predicts 97)
Level 10 vs. level 7 Minezumi: 79 (formula predicts 81)
Level 12 vs. level 7 Minezumi: 67 (formula predicts 69)
Level 13 vs. level 7 Minezumi: 61 (formula predicts 65)

Level 13 vs. level 10 Minezumi: 121 (formula predicts 123)
Level 14 vs. level 10 Minezumi: 112 (formula predicts 115)

Level 12 vs. level 12 Minezumi: 184 (formula predicts 184)
Level 12 and tag team partner vs. level 12 Minezumi: 92 (formula predicts 92)

Level 22 vs. level 14 Minezumi: 133 (formula predicts 143)
Level 22 19 vs. level 14 Minezumi: 66 78 (formula predicts 72 and 82)

Level 18 vs. level 16 Minezumi: 218 (formula predicts 221)

Miruhog (147 base exp.):
Level 21 vs. level 20 Miruhog: 840 (formula predicts 844)

Otamaro (59 base exp.):
Level 16 vs. level 13 Otamaro: 188 (formula predicts 192)

Panpour (63 base exp.):
Level 15 vs. level 10 Panpour: 129 (formula predicts 134)

Pansage (63 base exp.):
Level 15 vs. level 10 Pansage: 129 (formula predicts 134)

Level 10 vs. level 14 Pansage: 349 (formula predicts 353)
Level 14 vs. level 14 Pansage: 265 (formula predicts 265)

Pansear (63 base exp.):
Level 15 vs. level 10 Pansear: 129 (formula predicts 134)

Snivy (28 base exp.):
Level 12 vs. level 8 Snivy: 47 (formula predicts 49)
Level 10 and level 12 vs. level 8 Snivy: 28 (level 10) and 24 (level 12) (formula predicts 29 and 25)

Level 16 vs. level 14 Snivy: 103 (formula predicts 105)

Tepig (28 base exp.):
Level 10 vs. level 7 Tepig: 44 (formula predicts 45)
Level 13 vs. level 7 Tepig: 34 (formula predicts 36)

Yorterry (55 base exp.):
Level 10 vs. level 6 Yorterry: 66 (formula predicts 67)
Level 13 vs. level 6 Yorterry: 50 (formula predicts 53)

Level 10 vs. level 7 Yorterry: 86 (formula predicts 87)
Level 12 vs. level 7 Yorterry: 72 (formula predicts 75)
Level 13 vs. level 7 Yorterry: 66 (formula predicts 70)

Level 10 vs. level 11 Yorterry: 196 (formula predicts 197)
Level 13 vs. level 11 Yorterry: 156 (formula predicts 158)

Level 13 vs. level 12 Yorterry: 185 (formula predicts 185)

Level 18 vs. level 15 Yorterry: 207 (formula predicts 211)

Wild battles:
Choroneko (56 base exp.):
Level 14 and level 11 vs. level 8 Choroneko: 27 (level 14) and 34 (level 11) (formula predicts 29 and 38)

Minezumi (51 base exp.):
Level 6 vs. level 3 Minezumi: 20 (formula predicts 20)
Level 11 vs. level 8 Minezumi: 62 (formula predicts 63)

Yorterry (55 base exp.):
Level 6 vs. level 2 Yorterry: 12 (formula predicts 12)
Level 10 vs. level 6 Yorterry: 44 (formula predicts 45)
</pre>
|}
Hope it helps. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:24, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks for the info, but just to clarify - are these Trainer battles? Because the formula seems to identify them as such. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
::I had them divided into two sections: "Trainer battles" (at the beginning) and "Wild battles" (at the end). Only the last five entries are wild battles. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 23:53, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

: Well. It certainly created more questions than it answered... my formula is definitely wrong, but it brings us nowhere closer in getting the actual formula right. >_> [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

: Could you get some higher-level ones? Those ones are better resolution, and leave less room for error. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:56, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
===A few more...===
These are all trainer battles.
<pre>
Level 45 and level 37 vs. level 43 Zuruzukin (171 base exp.): 1048 (level 45) and 1295 (level 37) (formula predicts 1057 and 1273)

Level 44 and level 38 vs. level 43 Roobushin (227 base exp.): 1427 (level 44) and 1674 (level 38) (formula predicts 1433 and 1648)

Level 44 and level 38 vs. level 43 Kojofu (70 base exp.): 441 (level 44) and 516 (level 38) (formula predicts 442 and 508)

Level 52 vs. level 45 Erufuun (168 base exp.): 1916 (formula predicts 1975)

Level 52 vs. level 45 Zeburaika (174 base exp.): 1984 (formula predicts 2045)
</pre>
I have to say, despite the formula not being completely accurate, it does give a pretty good rough idea of how much experience you're going to get. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:33, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

: I guess so. It's just that I just know that people are going to be disappointed when they don't actually get 1,581,409 points for defeating a level 100 Blissey in the way I mentioned. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
:: Although, given the looks of the variations in this formula, it looks like that fight would yield ''more'' than 1,581,409. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|'''Even more trainer battles (click "show")'''
|-
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<pre>
Level 41 and level 38 vs. level 45 Gigalith: 1697 and 1837 (formula predicts 1675 and 1801) Base exp. 227

Level 41 and level 38 vs. level 46 Shibirudon: 1816 and 1963 (formula predicts 1787 and 1921) Base exp. 232

Level 45 vs. level 45 Gigalith: 3065 (formula predicts 3065) Base exp. 227

Level 44 vs. level 46 Shibirudon: 3364 (formula predicts 3341) Base exp. 232

Level 43 vs. level 45 Erufuun: 2386 (formula predicts 2369) Base exp. 168

Level 43 vs. level 45 Zeburaika: 2471 (formula predicts 2454) Base exp. 174

Level 44 vs. level 45 Murando: 3059 (formula predicts 3049) Base exp. 221

Level 43 vs. level 45 Pendra: 3039 (formula predicts 3018) Base exp. 214

Level 43 vs. level 44 Oobemu: 2303 (formula predicts 2294) Base exp. 170

Level 43 vs. level 44 Kutairan: 2288 (formula predicts 2281) Base exp. 169

Level 43 vs. level 45 Doredia: 2386 (formula predicts 2369) Base exp. 168

Level 43 vs. level 44 Yanakkie: 2356 (formula predicts 2348) Base exp. 174

Level 43 and level 44 vs. level 44 Hiyakkie: 1178 and 1149 (formula predicts 1174 and 1149) Base exp. 174

Level 44 vs. level 44 Baokkie: 2297 (formula predicts 2297) Base exp. 174

Level 44 vs. level 43 Zuruzukin: 2149 (formula predicts 2158) Base exp. 171

Level 44 vs. level 43 Roobushin : 2854 (formula predicts 2865) Base exp. 227

Level 44 vs. level 43 Kojofu: 880 (formula predicts 884) Base exp. 70

Level 44 vs. level 43 Gochimiru: 1722 (formula predicts 1729) Base exp. 137

Level 44 vs. level 43 Hahakomori: 2778 (formula predicts 2789) Base exp. 221

Level 44 vs. level 44 Gigiaru: 2033 (formula predicts 2033) Base exp. 154

Level 44 vs. level 44 Darmanitan: 2218 (formula predicts 2218) Base exp. 168

Level 44 vs. level 44 Gamageroge: 2971 (formula predicts 2971) Base exp. 225
</pre>
|}
Existing formula tends to overestimate if the attacking Pokémon is higher level, and underestimate if the defending Pokémon is higher level (what you hinted at with the Blissey example). (Existing formula is correct if the two Pokémon are the same level.) [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 05:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure now that it involves square roots (or other such concave functions) in some way. That means that my formula only underestimates for a little of the time - and then it goes back to overestimating. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

== ERRATIC behaviour in Mathematica ==

So, I went to type in the EXP per level into Wolfram Mathematica 6, in an attempt to come up with both better graphs and interesting phenomonons. The non-piecewise functions turned out fine. However, the erratic and fluct. formulas kept coming up with strange behaviour in their plots, which I was able to filter out. However, look at this plot for the erratic formula:

This is the derivitive of the function of the Erratic experience group. Look at the range 68-98. Any ideas as to what is causing this? I had typed the formula in direstly as was shown on the article. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 20:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Just zoomed in, seems to be caused by the Floor() function and the erratic nature of that portion of the growth curve, which is why it didn't show up for Fluct. The formulas weren't designed for this kind of manipulation...time to weite an interger-based derivitave function to better model this...

:Anyway, any ideas as to wether or not I should undergo this project? I can easily cut out the inputted formula (It is harder to include it rather than exclude it). The GenI formulas are rather well established, being elementry curves, but the GenIII curves I can do lots of research into, and add to the article under a different heading. For example, I can easily generate a graph of the 'changing multiplier' for these two functions, or superimpose all parts of the piecewise function (so someone could see what happens if one part of it is used for the entire function). [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 20:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I already created a changing multiplier graph. Third one down from the top. I also created an "EXP per level" graph (shown here on the talk page), but for lack of a place to put it, haven't put it onto the main page yet. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Reshiram and Zekrom don't gain experience? ==

For some reason, people are editing this onto the article, even though it isn't true, at least from what I've seen of the playthroughs. Why do people think that it doesn't yield experience? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 00:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:What that means is when you defeat one you don't gain experience. I wonder if this is true or not. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::When facing the wild version mascot before facing N, defeating it yields no Exp, as when the battlt ends, it'll just be there in the overworld as if nothing happened. Facing the one N has will yield Exp though. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 03:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

If there was a Pokémon that would change it's Exp group upon evolution, what would happen? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 03:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:In Generation III at least, the Pokémon would change level so that it would be consistent with the what the new group's experience formula would dictate.
:For example, if you hacked a Pikachu (1000000 at level 100) so that it would evolve into Gyarados (1250000 at level 100) at level 20, the Pikachu would only need 8000 exp. points to reach level 20. So suppose that the Pikachu receives 8000 exp. points, reaches level 20, and is allowed to evolve. But since Gyarados is in a different experience group, the Pokémon would actually drop down to level 18 (for Gyarados's group, 8000 points is only sufficient for level 18) immediately after evolution is complete. Meaning that when you check your Pokémon menu right after evolution, the Pokémon will appear as level 18, with 8000 exp. points.
:This has apparently been observed with a Generation III ROM, but I don't know exactly what would in other Generations. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:Just realized that a potential question might arise with my example: Would the newly-evolved Gyarados attempt to learn {{m|Bite}} (a level 20 move), even though it's technically level 18 after evolution? Unfortunately I don't have the answer to that particular question. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 05:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
::Based on what you've said about the situation, I'd guess no - after evolution, the new level is 18, period. Otherwise, the bug would be that it stays at Level 20, but as soon as it gains experience points, it reverts to 18. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 15:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, a regular Magikarp evolving into Gyarados at level 20 would immediately try to learn Bite upon evolution (without leaving the evolution screen). In other words, we haven't even seen the new level of the Gyarados until after it attempts to learn Bite. Basically it's a question of when does the game "notice" that the Pokémon's experience group has changed - immediately upon evolution (i.e. while the evolution screen is active) or immediately after leaving the evolution screen? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::::That's a good point, actually. We'd need somebody to test that out. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 01:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== Level multipliers in the new Exp. gain formula ==

We're going to have to change that article - it certainly is not adding the levels by 2 and dividing them.

I'm getting a table set up with the approximate multipliers. Perhaps we can figure something out. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 05:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== underflow glitch==

can we get a detailed example of this please? {{unsigned|DJLO}}
:The medium-slow growth algorithm itself is 1.2L^3 - 15L^2 + 100L - 140. This is applied to {{p|Mew}} and all 3-stage evolutionary Pokémon except {{p|Dragonite}}, {{p|Butterfree}} and {{p|Beedrill}}. Substitute L for anything greater than 1 like 2 and the equation will suffice i.e. this would give 9.6 which floors down to 9 total experience for a level 2 medium-slow growth Pokémon. If you use 1 or 0 however you get a negative result, e.g. replacing L with level 1 gives -53.8 experience which floors down to -53. The main problem is that Pokémon experience is an unsigned integer; this means that negative numbers are essentially taken as a positive (w^X)-y value [where w^X is the highest value possible; {at least 2^8} and -y is the negative integer]. Pokémon experience is stored in three 8-bit bytes ((2^8)^3) so for a [[Mew Trick]]ed level 1 Pokémon with no experience we can use the analogy that it has ((2^8)^3)- 53 experience which is 16,777,109. Since 256^3 (16,777,216) is essentially the 'largest value' in this case, if this Pokémon got 54 experience it would revert back to a total experience of 0, though gaining less than 54 experience would cause the game to recalculate what level (very high) the Pokémon should be after a battle ends or the [[box trick]] is used. Since it is way over the total experience required for level 100 by far the level 100 cap comes in and makes the Pokémon level 100. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 21:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

::It is explained in depth in the article itself, no? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Wait, how is a base yield of 28 lower than a base yield of 20? ==

"The Pokémon with the highest base experience yield is Blissey, with a base yield of 608. The Pokémon with the lowest base experience yield are Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott, '''with a base yield of 28.'''

* Before Generation V, the Pokémon with the lowest base experience yield was '''Magikarp with a yield of 20,''' and the Pokémon with the highest base experience yields were Arceus, Happiny, Chansey, and Blissey, with a yield of 255."

Magikarp still has the lowest base yield. And this can't be generation only, as Blissey is in there. I'm not willing to correct anything until I know how this mistake was made (is 28 supposed to be 18? Did somebody think 28 is lower than 20? How did this happen?) {{unsigned|Shadowater}}
:Most of the base exp. yields changed from Generation IV to V. Blissey, for example, had its own base exp. changed from 255 in Generation IV to 608 in Generation V. Pokémon If you take a look at the base exp. column at [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]], Magikarp now has the tenth lowest base exp, with 40 (up from 20 in Generation IV). [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, ok then. I had checked Magikarp's page to make sure, and it says 20 there, so I got confused by that --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 04:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== My Pokémon got one EP less? ==
If I start in the yellow edition, I fight with my Pikachu against Gary's Eevee. I gain 97 EP, but why? It is a trainer battle (1,5), Eevee's base experiance is 92 in the first generation and it has level 5. If I multiply 1,5*92*5 and divide it with 7 (as it is described in the article), I got 98 EP and not 97. What's the reason for gaining 97 EP? I controlled it with wild Rattatas and Pidgeots in the same edition, and there the EP-gaining is right (with Rattata: 1*57*2 (1 = wild battle, 57 = Rattata's base experiance in Generation one, 2 = its level) divided with 7 = 16 EP for Pikachu. But I used a long time to find a solution of my problem, but I can't. Can anybody help me here?
--[[User:LaBumm|LaBumm]] 23:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
: Maybe it does the abL/7 thing before multiplying anything else, rounding down in the middle. That's the only explanation I can think of, and that gives 97.5, which rounds down to 97. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 12:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== On the Gen V formula ==

According to poccil's post [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3372038#post3372038 here], Lucky Egg and trade multipliers are applied after the +1. Since I can't seem to replace the existing file, I have instead left the repaired formula on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&oldid=422238119 Wikipedia's sandbox]. Could someone perform the replacement of the formula? [[User:Arcorann|Arcorann]] 09:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Updated the image with yours. I skimmed the page to see if anything was wrong due to using the old formula, but it seemed to be using your formula anyway. However, it's possible that I missed something. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Experience Gain Formula Mistake? ==

I saw the experience gain formula and decided to test out. This is the situation: In a Generation IV game a Scyther who defeats a wild level 11 Rattata gains 89 EXP. points. The Scyther is with his original trainer, has no Lucky Egg, there is no EXP. Share in his team, and no EXP. All in the Bag to affect the outcome. Though, using the formula, Change in EXP would simplify to 561/7, which equals 80.14, or 80 EXP. I'd understand if it were off by 1 or 2 EXP but the gap is noticeable here. Could someone help me in finding out my mistake? I'm pretty sure I'm the one mistaken here. Thanks in advance to any help.
[[User:Chrispizza|Chrispizza]] 20:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:I tried the exact same thing (Scyther KOing a lv 11 Rattata in Gen IV), and got 89 EXP as well. I don't think it was you that messed up, but the formula. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

== Gen IV International Pokémon ==

Does the 1.7 multiplier exist in pre Gen IV games? If not then this info should be added to this page. I only ask because a lot of the benefits of international trading weren't added until Gen IV. [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 14:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:I would doubt it. The byte which indicates its country of origin wasn't added until [[Pokémon data structure in Generation IV|Gen IV]], so I don't see how the Gen III game would have been able to tell. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:25, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

== Level 100 Exp. Share ==

If I battle a Pokémon with a level 100 Pokémon and another one in my party has an Exp. Share, does the one holding it get 100% of Exp. Points since the one battling doesn't? [[User:Mastergiygas11|MasterGiygas]] 23:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:No. In generation IV at least, the 50% that would go to the level 100 Pokemon battling is lost. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::Just tested, it gets 50% in 5th gen as well. -- [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer]] [[User talk:Trainer Hunter|Hunter]] -- 23:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::I used to do this in Gen III. It is true there as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

== A most accuracy GenV formula for Exp. Points gained in battle ==

(I'm spanish so, I'm sorry if my english isn't perfect)

I'm working and testing the actual formula for gain Exp. Points in battles and, in some cases, I noticed that the actual formula has some little mistakes in certain specific cases. I modified the actual formula, and with this new version I didn't fail any case until now. I will try to explain it as well as I can:

- Step 1: Calculate total Exp. Points.
totalExp = tct((b x L) x a)
NOTE: tct() meas truncate decimals.

- Step 2: Calculate particular Exp. Points.
This step is slightly different from the actual formula.
"aux1" is equal to 1 if the Pokémon has participated in the battle or 0 if not.
"aux2" is equal to 1 if the Pokémon has Exp. Share equipped or 0 if not.
"s1" is the number of Pokémon that participated in the battle and have not fainted. If any Pokémon in the party is holding an Exp. Share, "s1" is
equal to twice the number of Pokémon that participated instead.
"s2" is equal to twice the number of Pokémon holding the Exp. Share in the party.
partExp = (aux1 x tct(totalExp / (5 x s1))) + (aux2 x tct(totalExp / (5 x s2)))

- Step 3: Calculate Exp. Points per level multiplier.
This step is slightly different from the actual formula.
multiplier = tct((tct((2L + 10)^2.5) x 1000) / tct((L + Lp + 10)^2.5))

- Step 4: Semi final Exp. Points.
This step is slightly different from the actual formula.
sFinal = tct((partExp x multiplier) / 1000) + 1

- Step 5: Final Exp. Points.
finalExp = tct(tct(tct(sFinal x t) x e) x p)
NOTE: I can't test if that's the real order, because I don't have any international traded Pokémon and any Exp. Point Power.

: Amazing! I just make it into a better look equation, but I haven't test it yet
: Note that big brackets '[]' means truncate decimals

: [[File:Exp_process_1_totalexp.png]]

: [[File:Exp_process_2_partexp.png]]

: [[File:Exp_process_3_multiplier.png]]

: [[File:Exp_process_4_sfinal.png]]

: [[File:Exp_process_5_finalexp.png]]

:[[File:Exp_process_6_mixed.png]]
: Where
: b is the base experience yield of the fainted Pokémon′s species, listed here.
: L is the level of the fainted Pokémon.
: a is equal to 1 if the fainted Pokémon is wild, and 1.5 if the fainted Pokémon is owned by a Trainer.
: aux1 is equal to 1 if the Pokémon has participated in the battle or 0 if not.
: aux2 is equal to 1 if the Pokémon has Exp. Share equipped or 0 if not.
: s1 is the number of Pokémon that participated in the battle and have not fainted. If any Pokémon in the party is holding an Exp. Share, "s1" is equal to twice the number of Pokémon that participated instead.
: s2 is equal to twice the number of Pokémon holding the Exp. Share in the party.——[[User:Kolu|Kolu]] ([[User talk:Kolu|talk]]) 06:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

== EXP and Tag Battles ==

How does being in a story-based tag battle affect EXP (for example, when you're teamed with Bianca in Reversal Mountain in B&W2)? I don't think it's consistent between different games. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 19:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Dream World

2011-07-03T23:17:56Z

Legionaireb: added serebii.net link

==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I found this page after searching for this very subject. Unable to find a concrete answer anywhere on the web (that was perfectly clear) I contacted the pokemon support team. Here is their response: "Currently, the limit for total transfers is 50 as stated. It is possible that this limit will be expanded in future promotions or updates, however there is no released information to do so at this time."
So it looks like we're stuck at 50 for now. I responded and asked if the 50 pokemon limit included promotional pokemon, like the evee evolution. I'll update when I receive a response.
[[User:Torynspirit|Torynspirit]] 23:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I've passed more than 100 pokémon from dream world to my japanese game. Or you are talking about limit of pokémon inside of the entralink? In that case, I don't know, but until now, i've no problem with that. If you go to Entralink and say No to one pokémon, he'll go to more inside the forest. [[User:Maverick Hunter|Maverick Hunter]]

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I got a message from the Pokemon website support the other day that said the eeveelutions will be available on May 5th. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 06:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Good Evening. Pokemon Black & Pokemon White Versions: The Official Unova Pokedex & Guide: Volume 2.
Page 239
"Hidden Abilities can be inherited
Two of the Pokémon you'll find in the game have Hidden Abilities: the Musharna that shows up in the Dreamyard every Friday after you finish the main story, and the Darmanitan that awakens from a statue with a RageCandyBar in the Desert Resort. If you leave a Musharna with the Hidden Ability Telepathy at the Pokémon Day Care, you may find an Egg of a Munna with the same Hidden Ability. If you leave a Darmanitan with the Hidden Ability Zen Mode, you may find an Egg of a Darumaka with the Hidden Ability Inner Focus."
There is a fine-print at the bottom of the page. "If the male Pokémon has a Hidden Ability, or if you leave a Pokémon with a Ditto, the Hidden Ability won't be passed on."

Just helping to confirm this with an official source/reference before more rumors spread. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 03:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, unfortunetely not. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pile ice cream! ==

Possible to have a list of what berries generate what ice cream in terms of scoop and stickiness? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:I made one back in October, and gave it to Serebii.
:[http://serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldmini.shtml Here it is,] and [http://serebii.net/archive/October-2010.shtml here's] the news page mentioning it was my data. I don't seem to have the original text files anymore but there you go. By the way there's also a scoop of ice cream with six stars in each stat (lol) but that never gets used. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:: o_O Oh this should be fun. *gets to work~* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==Genders==

Has anyone else noticed that there are more male Pokémon than female. I've had about 4 females out of 20 Pokémon. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. Which Pokémon turned out male, and which turned out female? It could just be gender ratios at play, and the ones you caught were more likely to be male anyway. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Its been in Pleasant Forest with under 7500 Dream Points and as far as I know most have a 50/50 ratio (except Nidoran). I also checked the last 42 I found, 9 out of 42 were female so it looks like about a 25% chance to be female. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends on how you do in the games. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't. When you enter the Island of Dreams, a list of Pokemon with predefined genders is sent to your computer. For some Pokemon you can even tell which gender they are by which minigame they want to play(!). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I as well have noticed the severe lack of female Pokémon being generated in the Dream World. After building up 50, I had only 10 females. Since only female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities may be used to breed the Hidden Ability, this would seem intentional so as to reduce the possibility of some individual getting a female to breed and trade the Hidden Ability over the Global network. I wouldn't be surprised if they also put a deadlock on the offspring of a Pokémon with a Hidden Ability being female. Seems reasonable to me. Hidden Abilities are supposed to be special to have. If you could just breed it, it wouldn't be valuable anymore. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

:I can also vouch for what feels like a 75% males ratio -- it took me ages to find females of two species I am fond of ({{p|Shinx}} and {{p|Hoothoot}}). --''--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 15:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)''

== Loblolly ==

Does she have a Japanese name, or was she unnamed? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:She does have a Japanese name. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::o.o Do we know what it is? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::シタン. Up to you how to romanise it, I'd go with Shitan but I believe I read somewhere here someone found an etymological name link with シ being 'Ci'. Loblobby seems a dumb name though imo, makes me think of 'lol {{wp|Mr Blobby|Blobby}}.' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Well a loblolly is a tree. I suppose the name sounds like something a person could dream up. ...So's Shitan, too. Red sandalwood tree. Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== The image showing a Dream World Pokémon==

Why does it show a Lickitung in the article but when I click on the image it shows a Doduo? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:This image:[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
I see a female Lickitung. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Server Errors. Wait for it to fully change [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points ==

How exactly do you earn Dream Points, and where can you see how many you've collected? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 01:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:GL profile. Earned through games, watering plants, making a wish at the three and others. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The table of actions and how many Dream Points they award was taken from Serebii, correct? Has anyone actually confirmed these values? I ask because when you check your Dream Points in your profile, it never seems to end in single digits, so I wonder if the "1 point" per Item Swap is accurate or not. I believe someone else brought this up on the forum as well, so I thought I'd make a note of it here. If no one's confirmed these values personally, I can try to check my profile after performing certain actions to see if I can pinpoint if these values are correct. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Just as an update, I've definitely confirmed the Dream Points chart to be incorrect. I'm still collecting some data for some of the values I'm less sure of, but once I've finalized my findings, I'll update the chart in the article to reflect them. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::I just played through today, recording nearly every action I took, as I've been doing for the past few times. According to the newly-current chart, I have gained '''470''' points today. However, my current point total is '''3030'''--exactly ''+500'' from last time (''2530''). In other words, ''I'm '''30''' points short.'' The only action I'm not 100% sure on is how many times I've swapped items, since I forgot I was recording that amidst my mad search for berries to water. I'm pretty sure I've done it at least twice...WAIT! I think I might have done it thrice! I remember swapping for a Pass Orb once, then swapping it away, but I ended up with one at the end, and I never found one on the island.
::Let's see...The first time I swapped, I got a Pass Orb. The second time, I swapped a Pass Orb for a Net Ball. And...the third time, I swapped...I swapped a Payapa Berry for another Pass Orb! This means I swapped ''3'' times!!
::[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlesv1ek77e Ergo!]
::I have reason to believe that remaining 30 points comes from the ''three times'' I swapped items--'''''10''' points per swap!'' (If this is true, then wherever the chart was originally obtained most likely had a typo.) What say you of this theory? [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 18:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Did your point totals on the other days you'd recorded your actions match in line with what they should have been based on the chart? Do you recall swapping items on those days? The 30 point difference seems strangely out of place - do you know how many neighbors' berry patches you watered and how many games you played and succeeded at on Dream Island? Have you recorded data on days following this and have you noticed any other irregularities? I will resume tracking my own data for a while to try to see if I can notice anything out of the ordinary, but I was fairly heavy on the swapping (average of 12 times per session as I was purposefully trying to test swapping) and never noticed my total Dream Points increasing at all from this. There's a chance the extra 30 points could have come from a few berries that were watered without your recorded total being updated, or even just 1 berry patch and 1 minigame played that were missed in the recording of data. I'm not saying that you're wrong, mind you - just trying to determine if this was a one-off "fluke" in the data. We'll need to see if it holds up in subsequent trips to the Dream World to say for sure. Of course, the easiest testing method would be to simply enter the dream world, swap as many items as possible, and then log out without doing anything else. The only points that ''should'' then be gained are the 50 you gain every time you enter the Dream World. I may test that way tonight. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Hmm...Okay, today, I racked up a total of 510 points. Won 13 minigames, so that's 260; watered 20 plants, that's 200; entered the Dream World, that's 50. Assuming I get 0 points for the 11 items I swapped...50 + 260 = 310, + 200 = 510. So that fits. Also, I checked the day before that day's and found that, ignoring the item swapping, I got the right number of points. So I must have maybe won a minigame and watered a berry plant without recording. I'd say your chart's accurate, at least for now (who knows--they might change things up a bit sometime later on). [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 21:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::I can confirm that item swapping doesn't give Dream Points. When the chart was published, I thought not getting Dream Points for swapping was out of place, so I tested it (checked points, made swap, checked points), and it does nothing. However, there is still the possibility that having others swap with you gives you points. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I've double-checked that as well, and in fact had someone swap a number of items on my shelf while I was in the Dream World last night (went to shelf, went elsewhere, came back to shelf and at least 3 items had been swapped). I can confirm no points are gained when someone swaps with the items on your shelf (which is sad, because I really do think that would be a nice way of doing it to provide incentive to keep your shelves stocked with desirable items and not just trash). [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pals ==

The article says that you can only visit Pals' houses, and that the house generated in the bottom right corner of the Dream Pal map is the player's Game Pal. However, I only have two Game Pals, and I have never seen either of them in that slot, and the only people I ever see there are randoms. Also, I can visit the houses of the random people who visit my house. In fact, Game Pals have no affect on the Dream World at all; Game Pals belong on the Pokémon Global Link page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, a bit of an assumption on my part since I have to many people on my Pal Pad to remember everyone. Also, I forgot about the mat. Just fix it :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Used to be that Game Pals did turn up in the bottom right slot, when they showed up in every slot in the old Japanese-only version, but yeah now it seems you can't visit Game Pals at all (unless they're also Dream Pals, I've heard). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island" is that until the next visit or forever? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Until the next visit. Players can perform about 4-5 runs through the Island of Dreams before they can no longer encounter Pokémon or items, and then upon the next Game Sync, they can start fresh. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Breeding Mechanics ==

Regarding the Breeding Mechanics section, it mentions passing on the Hidden Ability of a female Dream World Pokémon, but makes no mention of male Pokémon and the Dream World-only moves. Can these be passed on via breeding at all, or are they exclusive only to Pokémon that are actually found in the Dream World? Either way, should a note of that be made in the article? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:If they're egg moves, yes, they can. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 23:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Find the missing <Pokémon>! ==

The game we're calling "Find the missing <Pokémon>!" is called "Pokémon Seek" when you fail. Should we change the section header? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:In fact, "Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!" is named "Sky Race" when the Pokémon request that you play it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::They all have shorter snappier names, I noticed them looking through the .xml files, but since they weren't shown anywhere near as prominent as the current titles I didn't add them. I'll go check what they were. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here they are:
<string id="y_ag_1">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Ice Cream Scoop.</string>
<string id="y_ag_3">I'm sorry you didn't complete the Sky Race.</string>
<string id="y_ag_5">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Pokémon Seek.</string>
<string id="y_ag_7">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Wailord's Water Spout.</string>
::Also, I have access to the Dream World text in all seven languages, so if you want any worldwide names of anything, just let me know what on my talkpage. One notable exception however is Décor. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that we should use those names, as they seem to be the actual names of the games, whereas the ones we are currently using are just sentences. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Score ==

Is it yet known whether the Score for your Mini-game completions go to anything? Like a score board, high scores, something? It currently feels too shallow to bother putting a score to your performance. Just need to hit the Target Line then stop is really it...{{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:Well I know for a fact it goes towards your Dream Points. As for a high score board, I don't know. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it affects the moves of your Pokémon. If you perform poorly, it only has common moves; if you perform well, it has the more common special move; if you perform very well, it has the rarer special move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I wish there were a better way to test this. My first few days, I did pretty horribly in all of the mini-games (just barely passing the target but with low scores) and I still got Pokémon that knew their special moves. Conversely, I've done really well in some minigames (>60,000 points) and only ever seemed to manage to get Pokémon with their regular moves. I have a feeling the "scoring better gives better odds of special moves" thing is more rumor than fact, but other than gathering a large data pool of resulting Pokémon from really good scores versus really bad scores, I'm not really sure how to prove it. (And even then, it would depend on whether the amount of Pokémon with special moves after obtaining high scores is actually statistically significant enough to determine the scoring to be the cause...) [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm as certain as I can be that the score affects whether the pokemon gets a heart icon after the game. Whether the heart icon is directly connected to special moves is a different issue, and I don't even remember which moves to be looking for. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::I've always seen the heart icon anytime I've passed a mini-game, and the one time I didn't pass, it only had a musical note. However, that pokemon wasn't befriended because I didn't pass the mini-game. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::That's interesting. I usually don't see any icon if I don't score well. As the Dream World hasn't been open long, however, the sample size is not large. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::You would see it if you mouse-over the Pokémon. As far as I've seen, all Pokémon give a symbol when moused-over. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon to the Mini-game ==

I've obtained enough data to believe without a shadow of a doubt that every Pokémon has its own mini-game assigned to it. ex. Lickitung is always doing a Pokémon Search. I'll begin adding them as I see them. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't gender also play a role? I recall hearing that you can (sometimes? always?) determine the gender of a Pokémon by the ganme you're asked to play. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've gotten the same Pokémon to do all sorts of different games. I don't keep track of it though. But I'll keep an eye out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Right. Here's a list of the main forest ones I made back from the Japanese Dream World.
:::Key: Game: Pokemon which want this gameGen/der.
:::Serve: 161M/F, 174M/F, 83M/F, 403M/F, 270'''F''', 399M/F.
:::Search: 191M/F, 187M/(and probably F), 77M/(and probably F), 179M/F, 108M/F, 115F.
:::Bounce: 43M/F, 69M/F, 114M/F, 276M/F, 270'''M''', 283M/F.
:::Fly: 84M/F, 32M/29F, 234M/F, 261M/F, 19M/F, 102M/F.
:::I haven't investigated any of the other areas in the same depth though, and don't know if it has changed for the international site.{{unsigned|bluesun}}
::::I don't know where we should put them (probably in the area pages on the table with all the Pokémon), but here are my findings. I only specified gender where the game preferences differed, or where I have only encountered one gender. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 00:41, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::I think that the minigames should be broken off into their own pages, and this can go there, as well as on the Pokémon pages themselves. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

===Pleasant Forest===
*'''Pokémon Seek''': {{p|Ponyta}} (M), {{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Kangaskhan}}, {{p|Mareep}}, {{p|Hoppip}}, {{p|Sunkern}}
*'''Sky Race''': {{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Nidoran♀}}, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Doduo}}, {{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Stantler}}, {{p|Poochyena}}
*'''Wailord's Water Spout''': {{p|Oddish}}, {{p|Bellsprout}}, {{p|Tangela}}, {{p|Lotad}} (M), {{p|Taillow}}, {{p|Surskit}}
*'''Ice Cream Scoop''': {{p|Farfetch'd}}, {{p|Sentret}}, {{p|Igglybuff}}, Lotad (F), {{p|Bidoof}}, {{p|Shinx}}
*'''Undetermined''': Ponyta (F), everything unlocked after 7500 points

===Windswept Sky===
*'''Pokémon Seek''': {{p|Butterfree}} (F), {{p|Pidgey}} (M), {{p|Spearow}}, {{p|Ledyba}} (F), {{p|Murkrow}}, {{p|Delibird}} (F)
*'''Sky Race''': {{p|Zubat}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Yanma}}, {{p|Gligar}} (M), {{p|Delibird}} (M)
*'''Wailord's Water Spout''': {{p|Taillow}} (M), {{p|Wingull}} (M), {{p|Swablu}} (M), {{p|Staravia}} (M)
*'''Ice Cream Scoop''': {{p|Hoothoot}}, Ledyba (M), {{p|Hoppip}} (M)
*'''Undetermined''': Butterfree (M), Pidgey (F), Hoppip (F), Gligar (F), Taillow (F), Wingull (F), Swablu (F), Staravia (F), everything unlocked after 7500 points

== Whuh? ==
I am SO confused. How do you get multiple Pokémon on a friend board? Every way I can tell it could work doesn't. Since the Dream Bridge disappears after you make a wish, You can't make multiple. Also, any Pokémon you wish for comes with the Pokémon you sent, so you can't do that. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:Maybe events. Once the eeveelutions are released we'll know how that works. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 21:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::Click the tab 'Pokémon sent' or whatever it's called to see the last 49-50 Pokémon you've sent to your DS. Also yeah, when you have an event ready to be sent they show alongside Pokémon you've wished for. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 23:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== More Dream World infos ==

Noticed some tidbits of info missing, some could be considered tips or hints, but I'm not fully sure how to word these in adding them to the sections.

In Pokemon Seek, the timer does pause if you find the wrong Pokemon, but the timer does NOT pause when you "Listen Carefully". If you're skilled enough and know what sections would potentially hide a Pokemon, you can easily clear 3 fields within the 4-5 second period that Listen Carefully uses up when clicked.

In Wailord's Water Spout, ANY contact with a ball increases its lamp counter. If done right, a launch can cause a Pokemon to bounce between two balls rapidly as it ascends, causing the lamp counter(s) to quickly light up, thus quickly increasing your multiplier. This is only useful if you care about score, however, and as far as I know, doesn't influence any of the mechanics in the Dream World.

In Sky Race, water symbols give 300 points and Speed Up bonuses give 1000 points. When the speed meter is max, water symbols give 450 points and matching 3 symbols give an additional 1500 points.

In Ice Cream Scoop, it may be possible to lose ice cream after its been stacked by dropping a large scoop on the stack. I've noticed the ice cream wobbles and shifts a little before flashing as if it had been set again.

I've seen some people with 5 rows of garden space, but not entirely sure when that becomes unlocked as I've just got my 4th garden row.

Island of Dreams, you can go through about 4 or 5 times before nothing appears, and staying in the Dream World without waking up your Pokemon will not reset this value, nor will it allow you to go back to the Island of Dreams if you made a wish. You have to wake your Pokemon and put it to sleep again in order to be able to find Pokemon and items in the Island of Dreams again.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:I just want to add that the one hour time limit doesn't seem to be set in stone. I just tried it, and started playing at 2:10 AM EDT. I am now getting messages saying "An hour has passed since you started playing. It is now 3:28 AM EDT. the first five messages had both the x in the corner, and the "Return to Dream World" button. Then, the sixth message omitted the buttons, instead telling me I either HAD to wake up my Pokemon, or continue sleeping. Does anybody know what "stops" the timer? Like if there's a loading screen, does it stop the 1 hour timer, or not? --[[User:Tails0600|Tails]][[User talk:Tails0600|0600]]'' 07:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:It doesn't, the timer is started shortly before the main Dream World video finishes loading and from then on nothing stops it, and it's counted server-side. I don't know how it chooses whether to give you the 'Return to Dream World' button or not but the amount of times it comes up seems to differ wildly. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Also, the trips to the Island of Dreams seems to be per area rather than trips total. Just a moment ago I had 6 trips to the Island of Dreams without having everything disappear: 2 of those trips were to the forest and the other 4 trips were to the sky.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 03:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, just disproved that statement. Total trips allowed to the Island of Dreams is 6 per day, regardless of the area visited. After 6, nothing will show up.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 13:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Wouldn't that be "per dream"? Since you can only play once per day... My experience seems to be that even if you split your excursions between multiple days, the limit still applies. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)''

== Logging in for points ==

I tried logging in today to see how many points I'd really earn. For logging in, I got 30, and that was without tucking in a Pokémon. Maybe the other 20's for tucking in one? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting! Did you have a previous Pokémon tucked in and still sleeping, or did you wake him up previously and so you had no Pokémon at all in the Dream World? If this can be confirmed it seems like it'd be very useful to put on the points chart. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 13:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Strange.... As soon as I logged in, I picked 7 berries (70 Dream Points), but when I hover the pointer over my Dratini, he still had an ellipsis. -[[User:ContraMundum|ContraMundum]] 16:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
:Harvesting berries does not award any Dream Points; only tucking in a Pokémon/logging into the Dream World, watering another player's berry patches and successfully completing mini-games on the Island of Dreams will award Dream Points. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 18:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
::Personally, I've never gotten points for logging in/tucking in a pokémon. I've also noticed that it takes a minute for the points to register, thus a delay in the icon over a pokémon's head. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Waking. ==

There doesn't appear to be a way to wake a pokemon without the website, does there? It's interesting because the Walker wasn't strictly needed to restore the absent pokemon in HG/SS thanks to the safety feature. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
:You can do it just via Game Sync, but it does seem that you can't remove your Pokémon while PGL is down. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Island Areas and Badges ==

I edited the Areas section and added the badge number requisite for each one.
My main source is my own experience, I've played for almost a month, I reached the 2500 points in the first week, and I've never visited a new area, not even once.
Not when the chance was 50%, and not when it was 66.6% (5000 points).
I even reached 7500 points yesterday and found new Pokemon in the Pleasant forest, but again, no new area.
With 6 trips to the dream Island each day, if we start to count from when I reached 2500 points, I visited the Dream Island 126 times, and never got to a new area.
I started to compare my account with other people, and the only difference I found was the number of badges, I had only 3 so far.
So I went and defeated Elesa, and guess what?
Windswept Sky on the first try.
Secondary sources are Japanese blogs like:
http://isami444.blog106.fc2.com/blog-entry-157.html
http://ameblo.jp/juy1004/entry-10744609539.html
Plus:
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1452044824
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110428000143AAXesZ7
--[[User:Kourin|Kourin]] 04:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:I would say this is correct. I have seven badges, and have over 5000 Dream Points, and go to the Pleasant Forest and Windswept Sky about 50-50, but have never been to the Sparkling Sea. However, I'm only just over 5000, so my sample size is fairly small, and I have probably only had over 5000 for about two days. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
::My good friend has 2 badges but is about to hit 10,000 Dream Points. He's only ever gotten Pleasant Forest, and this would definitely explain why. Seems like this definitely explains it! Thanks for the info! [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 13:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== availability on other pages related to dream world ==

on every pokemon's page there is a section that includes ways to obtain. I don't have the knowledge to expand the template to include dream world, but if someone were to make it, or if someone assists me in adding to the template, I would be more than happy to begin adding the available locations to several pokemon's pages. {{unsigned|Saiucrozier}}

== Probabilities of Appearance ==

Just like real Pokémon, it seems that each Pokémon in Dream World has a certain probability of appearance, with some being much more rare than others. This is just observation based on my experiences alone, however. -[[User:ContraMundum|ContraMundum]] 19:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

==Berries==

From my experience I've noticed berries take about 50% longer to grow in the dream world, can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
:I can't confirm, but I wouldn't be surprised if the growth times were increased to account for the fact that you can only go to the Dream World for an hour each day. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 02:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::I can confirm that oran and EV berries take 50% longer to grow, I havn't tested any other berries but it should be the same for them. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 13:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
:::As far as I know, yes, this is correct. A friend and I both tried to compare growth rates compared to the Gen IV in-game growth rates and 50% longer seems to fit. Nice catch! [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points earned chart seems to be incomplete ==

Today I was checking my Dream Pts. after various actions to try to get an idea for myself of what earns what. When I accepted a Dream Pal request my points went up by 30. (I assume this would need to be confirmed before being added.)

Also, does anyone know for sure that purchasing furniture isn't worth any points? I don't know. edit: Nope, it looks like swapping berries for furniture doesn't earn any points, but I think accepting a Dream Pal request is worth 30.
[[User:SlowbroTom|SlowbroTom]] 02:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure accepting a request is worth 30, based on my experiments (sorry people who I befriended then deleted). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
::This would be very neat, I'd like to test this too! Do we know if any points are awarded to you if you're the one who sent the Dream Pal request (i.e., are you awarded 30 points when the other person accepts your request, or are they the only one who receives points)? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== Mini-games with their own pages ==

As per the split proposal, I've done a [[User:Memo326/Pokémon Seek|Pokémon Seek]] article on my userspace. It needs work (I don't know how to express the formula in a nice way, though maybe it ''has'' to be an image), so I'm putting it here for everyone to contribute. Specially of help would be the Pokémon section; I have similar lists for other mini-games too, for when we create them. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 05:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

On a related note, I'd like to suggest to place all the games in one page instead of separate ones, unless, you know, the page will get too big. How much info are you guys going to place in the articles? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

:Well, gameplay, scoring, and befriended Pokémon sections are a given for each, as well as a screenshot. If someone makes a more condensed template for showing the Pokémon (we only really need minisprite, name, and gender), it could work in one page. Of course, we could also add more <s>OCD</s> detailed stuff like, say, the Pokémon you can be asked to look for in Pokémon Seek, or images for each color/pattern of ice cream in Ice Cream Scoop. The fact that we already have the stickiness/easiness to scoop rating here makes me lean in that direction (i.e. more info is better), and in that case I'd say each mini-game should have its own page. Except the new drink serving one, considering its exclusiveness it could be included in the area page. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 23:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
::I think they could all work with separate pages, especially based on the length of Memo's page. However, if they were all on one page it would still be better than keeping them here. If we do give them their own pages, we can go very in-depth with them, which would be desirable. As for Drink Carrying, it probably could just get a section on {{dwa|Pokémon Café Forest}}, but I think consistency would be better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

:::I'm more or less fine with your ideas and all, and I already know what the template would most probably look like (similar to the ones in DW areas), but is the gender thing in relation to games really already fact? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 04:14, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Well it's not just 'already fact', it's been fact since October, probably even September. If you want to check for yourself, use something like wireshark to see what gets downloaded, look for sex, and then compare it with the genders of the Pokémon you meet. They'll all match. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 05:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
::I just found the files for the ice cream patterns, and I'd just like to point out that there are 25 of them, with a 26th one as the default/empty pattern (the one used for "bite size"). [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, each stickiness/easiness pair gets its own ice cream colour/pattern. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 22:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Levels Gained from Dream World ==

I'm currently making it a goal to aim for 500+ points every visit to the dream world that I can, as me and my girlfriend raised the question "how does Dream World leveling measure up stat-wise next to in-game leveling/daycare leveling/EV training?" since in the dream world, you're not actually fighting anything, and I'd like to know if spending the hour gives a decent amount of stat boosts. I just started compiling data, but I encourage others to look at it a bit too. Putting my Mightyena in at 41, taking her out at 42, there's currently just a simple +1 and +2 stat increase across the board, even though you don't get the stat-up window when you wake up your Pokémon. I'll keep recording data to see if there's any sort of pattern or rhyme to the way this works. It'd be kind of nice if there was a nifty leveling incentive to really aim for that 500+ Dream Point mark. [[User:Starhowl|Starhowl]] 07:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:It's mostly likely just like using a Rare Candy. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:::That's probably more likely I suppose. I hadn't considered that because I use them so rarely myself. ~ [[User:Starhowl|Starhowl]] 01:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
::It's like levelling up in the PokéWalker, your Pokémon's level is increased by one, you don't battle so you get no extra EVs, and your stats are adjusted accordingly. Also, any moves which could be learnt will be skipped. Except for the 'no moves learnt', like a Rare Candy. Though I wonder if Pokémon level up twice if you hit 1000 points in a session, I should try that later today... [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:::That's a good question, but good luck with that. I can hit 500 with 20 minutes to spare, but getting another 500 is nearly impossible since the Island of Dreams becomes empty. ~ [[User:Starhowl|Starhowl]] 01:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
::::You could do it by making a whole bunch of Dream Pals. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::It should be possible to go up 2 levels since when you level up from 500 points the game says your Pokémon went up by 1 level'''(s)'''. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 22:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::1290 points in one day: only one level up. Oh well, I guess not... [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 12:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

== Deserted island ==

I've been counting the number of times you can go to the island of dreams before it gets deserted everytime I get 5-7, but that's with over 10 000 points so someone should test if the number of times changes depending on how many points you have before its added to the page. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 22:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable pokemon? ==

I'm wondering if there's a list anywhere of pokemon that cannot (or, at least, have not yet) be obtained via the Dream World. I'm assuming that legendaries and the eeveelutions (as they were given out in a promo) are unavailable? --[[User:Urthdigger|Urthdigger]] 10:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:It's not really best right now to make an article about Pokémon not yet available on DW since they constantly update. For now, you should just check which ones are available. There are only 5 pages to check (4 areas and the promotions article). [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 10:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::the only unobitainable pokémon is the unova pokémon. They can't appear on entree forest because there are no sprites programmed in game--[[User:Maverick Hunter|Maverick Hunter]] 11:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well that's not right; the Unova gen aren't the /only/ unavailable pokémon. But making a full checklist somewhere of what pogeys aren't and are available shouldn't be too hard. Having to go across four pages for all the information isn't exactly constructive. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:I know one site that has a good list of what pokemon are available. http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldattacks.shtml It lists the pokemon that can currently be obtained in the dream world, as well as their Dreamworld abilities and what special attacks they can learn. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 23:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokérus

2011-06-08T18:56:31Z

Legionaireb: Asked for clarification

In my Pokémon Gold game, My Pokémon with PokéRus doesn't infect others stored in the PC, and doesn't even become immune unless it's in my party. For me there's only a chance that others become infected when I heal at the Pokémon Center, not automatic as the article implies. My Pokémon take about two days to heal. But before I edit the page, I wanted to ask if it is possible that PokéRus can act different for different trainers? -- [[user:Slim|Slim]]

That's how PokeRus should act. It spreads within the party, and a pogey in the PC will not lose PokeRus status. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 14:21, 6 October 2005 (CDT)

== Pokemon Rocks America ==

I got a Ho-Oh and Lugia from Pokemon Rocks America 2005, and a Metang, but none of them have PokeRus, as it states in the article. [[User:Lukario|Lukario]] 18:19, 28 November 2005 (CST)

== Glitch? ==

Wait, is PokéRus a glitch? -- [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 19:34, 29 July 2007 {EST}

::No. PokéRus is not a glitch. [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 00:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== Telling if a wild pokemon has pokerus ==

i heard on a website that to get pokerus that you had to catch a pokemon with it, and to tell if it had pokerus ( while it's still in the wild) that it would have a status condition when it first appears. is this true?
:No. You can't tell if a wild Pokémon has PokéRus, however, you can catch the disease from it without catching the Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 08:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
::thanks [[User:Amben27|amben]] 04:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Day care? ==

Does the virus wear off in the day care center? I just got a Tangela, and I want to breed it but I want the virus to spread to my team too. >_>; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it will, but you could just spread it around before throwing it in the daycare by leaving it fifth in the party and battling random things. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh shi-- good thing I got a good natured Tangela within the fifth egg. *runs off to Day care grabbing Tangela and sticks in party* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 01:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Hm, my Pokérus Ditto breeder is still infecting, after five days in the daycare. Has anyone's virus wore off? -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

==Egg==
Is it possible to get a pokerus from a egg. My friend told me that he had. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 23:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:My sister got PokéRus from an egg.. the virus spread to the egg, though, then the egg spread it around the party. When it hatched, however, it was immune. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I mean the egg hatched from the daycare, and it had pokerus. --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 00:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Eggs can get it, you likely got it on the egg soon after getting the egg from the daycare, and didn't check it until after it got the rus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Eggs can get Pokerus too: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/7/70/Pokerus_egg.jpg but when it hatched, the burmy inside still had it. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== No middle caps ==

This is an excerpt from Pokémon Diamond at the Pokémon Center: 
''(...)'' 
''Little is known about the Pokérus except that they are microscopic life-forms that attach to Pokémon.'' 
''While infected, Pokémon are said to grow exceptionally well.'' 
It's only two ocurrences of the word. Where did it appear with middle caps originally anyway? In some summary of the [[SS008|Oaknapped episode]]? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's how everything with Poké is spelled. It's a Poké Ball, it's PokéRus. Etc. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 06:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Well, this one resulted being an exception :). I'm just trying to help by using spelling from the game. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::You know? I believe it's because "-rus" is a suffix and not a word. You can bet /pokevirus/ would be spelt "PokéVirus" for sure, hehe. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 07:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Conditions for immunization? ==

I have the impression that the immunization of my infected party happened too early... I didn't walk too much, and closed my DS without turning it off by about 30 minutes. In Generation IV, does it depend on certain number of steps, or on real time? Remember that the DS does have a clock.
Sadly I saved twice, and never noticed that my party was already immune before the second save (I managed to store only 1 infected Pokémon). --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 06:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:My experience shows a Pokémon only immunizes if it is in your party at midnight. If you leave your Pokémon in your party, instead of storing it at a box or at the daycare, turn off the game and turn it on again after midnight passes, the Pokémon will be immunized. It will also immunize if the game is on, anyway.-- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== In [[Pokémon Firered|FireRed]] ==

I have a [[Tauros (Pokémon)|Tauros]] in Firered, but I can't make it infect my other pokemon in the party. How is this? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 00:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Have they already had it?[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]

::nopes. I know that pokemon get a black dot when they already had it 'cause my brother has PokéRus too, so I asked him to infect my pokemon too. I traded him my tauros, so he infected it and traded it back, but I can't make my pokemon get it too. =( [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 04:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strange. My cousin traded me a Dialga with PokéRus, it infected my party and I traded it back. The Rus spread all around. I wonder...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:10 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Pokémon can't be infected in FRLG since there's no clock. It never spreads, but it never goes away either. The games are like a giant PC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 09:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:Ah...I see. -thinks about it- So an infected Pokémon traded to Red/Blue/Green/Yellow and traded back will still have the Rus? {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:16 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::From Gen II to Gen I, I'm not too sure. But from RSE to FRLG, it'll be made permanent for however long it's in FRLG. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 09:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::In Gen II pokerus acts as any held item when traded to Gen I: it's still there, but you can't see it. When you trade back from Gen I to Gen II, the pokemon will still have its held item, shiny status and pokerus. =) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== quick way ==

what is the quickest way to spread it?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Dakclaw
Dakclaw
:Battle. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 09:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== Obtained the Pokérus today ==

Sup guys, I obtained the Pokérus today while (I believe) wandering around the Fuego Ironworks. I was told I had them when I healed my party at a pokecenter by Nurse Joy. I currently have 4 infected right now, but I don't want to trade any of them. If anyone can tell me how to infect lots of other pokemon very fast, I'll be more than happy to trade you an infected guy (hopefully for something to make it worthwhile). I've never done wifi trading before, so I will have to learn that as well...Anyone got any advice?--[[User:Dragonite42|Dragonite42]] 06:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:Battle. Battle, get all six infected, switch out all but one, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

::I obtained a {{p|Bidoof}} through the GTS with the Pokérus (its nickname is even Pokerus). I haven't found a use for it though, so it's just hanging out at my Ranch. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Ok, hmmm, is there a place on Bulbapedia to organize trades? I've got about 20 infected so far. I don't know if pokemon stored in the computer become uninfected after 2 days though. --[[User:Dragonite42|Dragonite42]] 00:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that a boxed Pokémon will infect others. Also, most users will say to use the forums to organize trades. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 00:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

hey, Im using my wii to type this (computer's broken) so I cant really edit much on this question.
I just read from the article that a pokemon will continue to gain double EVs even after being immunized. Is this true, because I havent heard about this from any other website?
:Yeah, it's true ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 20:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hey!! ==

Pokémon Eggs can be infected in RSE too. Not only in DP! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Absolutely right. should this be be stated in the article?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 04:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== After the infection ==

"Though the virus is gone, its positive effects will remain, most specifically the ability for that Pokémon to gain double EVs." I've heard myself that it gains 2x EV's when it has the PokéRus sign and then 1.5x EV's when it wears off. Which one is correct? UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 21:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:its always 2x EVs, the only difference when the pokemon is cured is that it cant pass the infection on. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
Just to be absolutely clear, once a pokemon recovers from the Pokerus, it still gets double EVs? I don't have to quarentine pokemon I'm not ready to train yet? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 18:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== More Specific Info about spreading ==

Do we have more info on spreading? Such as odds, formulas, methods for quick spreading... we already know it will spread after battle, but the results vary much. Once I had three eggs infected with one battle, and another time it took me 5 battles to infect one pokémon of five "clean". Don't we have more info? -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Immunization and Species ==

It seems we have a disagreement on how immunization happens. From my own experience, no Pokémon lasts more than one midnight with the Pokérus active(in Pokémon Diamond). Please provide testimonials to extend the concept. -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 16:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

:I've gotten strains in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]] last more than one midnight in the party. In fact, I've NEVER had a Pokérus in Generation II that vanished after just one midnight. The strain I got in [[Generation III]] lasted only one midnight, regardless of whether it was cured in Generation III or Generation IV. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

:: Would you mind specifying which ones? I've infected a Treecko in one night at 11PM, and at midnight it was immune. Not to mention once I was trading with a person, was waiting for him to get online with an infected Squirtle(hatched and infected the same night) and it got immune. -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]]([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 16:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Drugs... ==

So if a Pokémon has the Pokérus, does it affect the amount of EVs it gains when it takes drugs? For example, a Carbos usually gives 10 Speed EVs. Will this increase to 20 with the addition of Pokérus, or are the drugs not affected by it?--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 11:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
: No, the only EVs affected are the ones given by battling. Vitamins will still give 10EVs. --[[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 18:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== "small life forms" ==
Technically it is incorrect to say that because a virus is not a life form, although it does infect living things. Just thought I'd throw that out =p. [[User:DesiAdame|DesiAdame]] 05:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Try emailing Nintendo. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear you out. We, unfortunately, can't do anything about that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::I assume Pokérus is a portmanteau of Pokémon and Virus. Viruses isn't a life form. They're agents that survive off other living things.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I suppose you could be pedantic if you really wanted, but you never know, viruses in the Pokémon world may be alive... it wouldn't be the most farfetch'd thing in that game (ucwutididthar?)--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]]
:::As I recall, the Pokémon Center's nurse tells about it. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 06:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Someone go get a screenshot(s) of it. The article could use it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the nurse does talk to you about it, but only the first time you present it to her.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:19, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Didn't Work ==

My brother had pokerus long ago in his party pokemon and he managed to clone his favorite pokemon, a level 100 Luxray and trade it from his Pearl to my Platinum as a gift, so I could get through the Victory Road as fast as I could because I was desperate to migrate from my Emerald, but when I got to the elite 4 and cured my pokemon in that pokemon center nurse joy told me about pokerus, that my pokemon had it now, but I though she was talking about the luxray that had had it, so I tried it again with other pokemon he gave me with pokerus and she didn't tell me a thing about it, so I thought she wasn't counfused, and that my other party pokemon had it, but they never had the Status "pokerus" and do not have the smiley face, I know how it looks, can see it in other pokemon but the pokemon of mine that should have it don't have it, how's that possible? didn't do anything!! It just wore away and left everthing the same!! They don't have it! like if they had never, even though nurse Joy told me they did. That happened long ago, so it's really gone. Do you understand what I say? LOL. I had read this article before that happened to me and it said that it goes away, and PC storage, etc, I did it all but didn't work. MY POKEMON DON'T HAVE IT EVEN AFTER NURSE JOY TOLD MY THEY DID!! [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 17:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think that it may just not have spread from your Luxray. Every time you battle, I think that there's a chance of the other Pokémon in your party getting infected (correct me if I'm wrong here, I may be wrong on the mechanics). But the principle is, I think that the virus just didn't spread to the rest of your Pokémon. Not only that, but the nurse at the Pokémon Center will only tell you about the existence of Pokérus the first time you heal a Pokémon with it, she won't mention it again after that. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 08:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

::I don't think that only Luxray caught it because in the first place LOL I had it already before and it can't get infected again wich means other of my party pokemon had it... but somehow it cured it and and the effects didn't stay...oh well anyway thanks for helping :D, it doen't matter anymore to me because I had to restart my game so those pokemon are lost, I only brought it up because I though the article could be a lil wrong and could add somewhere that pokerus can be lost :(. Thank you [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

Is it possible to determine ''why'' a pokemon receives this disease?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 16:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Not unless you catch the one random wild Pokémon you encounter with it from the wild. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== Let us suppose ==

we have a milotic, which is holding a power lens, and has pokerus. this milotic of ours beats a gastly, which gives 1 special attack ev. how many special attack EVs will our milotic get? [[User:Empath-Silvio|Empath-Silvio]] 15:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
: Gastly gives 1EV in SAtk, then Power Lens gives an extra 4EVs. Pokérus will then double the total to 10EVs. --[[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 18:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Figured out how Pokérus transfers! ==

So this is for Generation IV only as I haven't tested it with other gens.
YES you can place an infected pokemon in the box and it WILL keep the virus.
NO the virus will not transfer to other pokemon in the box (and if it does it takes well over two weeks of gameplay)
YES the infected pokemon will spread the virus to others in your party, AFTER BATTLES. So in order to get the Pokérus spread you have to have an infected pokemon in your party. --[[User:Bageese|Bageese]] 02:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokerus on a Shiny Pokemon? ==

If the chance of Finding a Shiny pokemon is somewher around 1/8000 or something, and the chance of finding a Wild pokemon with Pokerus is around 3/60000, then what is the chance of Finding a Shiny Pokemon with Pokerus in the wild?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 14:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Around 1/160,000,00, I suppose. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

==POKeRUS removed in G1?==

This article states that POKeMON with POKeRUS in G2, infected or cured, would have all traces
of POKeRUS removed if traded to G1. Does this mean that their stats (that were boosted by POKeRUS) stay, but if traded back to G2, they could get it again? [[User:Tharthan|Tharthan]] 19:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== What are the odds? ==

I have been playing Pokémon for about 9 years now (My first game was Silver) and never once in the entire time I have played it or Gold, Crystal, FireRed, or SoulSilver encountered a Shiny Pokémon (other than the usual suspect of the Red Gyarados) or a Pokémon with Pokérus, and yet it seems like everyone talks about getting them like its a common everyday thing to get, nor does it seem like I can ever get my Pokémon to breed at the daycare as it seems they never like each other. More often then not when I battle with friends they always seem to have the hyper powerful Pokémon that they leveled up from the breeding process with Pokérus that easily 1-shot my Pokémon of the exact same type and level with absolutley no difficulty whatsoever... Is there any way to increase my chances of getting Shiny Pokémon or one with Pokérus? Or do I have to just grind it out? {{unsigned|HandofCreation0}}
:How about you [[Shiny Pokémon|read]] the [[Pokérus|articles]]? D: The chances. and all the mechanics. are right there. Right where they're supposed to be. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 19:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::#Pokemon need to be compatible in order to breed. See [[Pokémon breeding]].
::#Pokerus, once found, can be easily cultivated and spread. See [[Pokérus]].
::#There are methods to improve your chances of finding shiny Pokemon. See [[Masuda method]] and [[Poké Radar]].
::#Please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
::[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

==Pokérus Spread and Traded Pokemon==

Not too long ago, I got Pokérus in SoulSilver. This was the first time I'd ever gotten Pokérus, so naturally I took advantage of the next opportunity I got to trade some Pokérus vectors into my Diamond version. I then tried to spread Pokérus to the rest of my party from the two infected Poliwags I sent over. I battled several times--must have been around ten--with no successful spreading, which I thought was odd, since it never took more than one or two battles in SoulSilver. Somewhat annoyed, I went back to the nearest Pokémon Center to heal my party, and then got the speech from the nurse about them finding Pokérus on my Pokémon (since I hadn't yet taken the Poliwags to any Pokémon center). After that, I was able to spread Pokérus just as efficiently as I had on SoulSilver. So is it just coincidence, or will Pokérus on traded Pokémon be unable to spread until they're brought to a Pokémon Center for the first time? If it's not a coincidence, it might be worth mentioning in the article. [[User:HerbieHero|HerbieHero]] 20:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== I get the idea, but: ==

So the EVs a Pokemon receives in battle are doubled, that I can understand. But does it double the total amount of EVs a Pokemon will end up with?

I guess what I'm saying is, will a Pokemon that has been infected by the Pokerus have higher stats at lv100 than a Pokemon that never caught the disease? [[User:Shady|Shady]] 20:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Nope. It simply makes it easier/faster for a Pokemon to reach maximum EVs. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Pokérus "Image" ==

The Purple Pokérus rectangle has a problem. Because of Bulbapedia having a white background, the top of the P and the bottom of the K is invisble unless the letters are highlighed. Is that OK? Should something be done to "fix" it? [[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 03:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not having problems with it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's hardly productive. We should strive to improve what we have, not shrug at the prospect of improvement. Just because you can live without the changes doesn't mean they shouldn't be made. [[User:Shady|Shady]] 18:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Um... what? I was saying that ''on my computer I don't see anything wrong with it'', not that "Oh, yeah, we could maybe fix it, but I don't give a crap." There is 1 row of purple pixels that should probably be {{tt|added to the top|which I don't know if it can be done}}, since yeah, the top of the P does blend a little. There isn't anything wrong on the K that I can see, though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:PKRS screenshot.png|thumb|right|What it looks like on my computer.]]
::::My bad, I completely misunderstood what you meant. I've uploaded a screenshot of the problem as it appears on a Mac OS X with 1280 x 800 resolution, using the latest version of Firefox. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://i41.tinypic.com/2zxxxud.jpg This] is what it looks like in IE. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I just checked it in Safari and Google Chrome and it looks okay. Firefox seems to be the only browser that doesn't show all of it. Any ideas? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's not Firefox that's the problem, [http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/Werdnae/PKRS.png This] is what it looks like for me, I'm using Firefox running in Vista at 1366 x 768. I think it must be the combination of Firefox and OS X that is causing the problem. And yes, I'm using the latest version of firefox, I've got it updating itself automatically. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Wow. Is it even possible to fix it if it's that specific? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 23:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Mm... I don't think you can, since it isn't a template, but a text format. Do the letters still look odd in this: PK<sc>rs</sc> And then: PK<sc>rs</sc> '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) They don't look odd when you're normal using super and subscript, but when you add the background color they do. It seems to be the background color that's causing the problem. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 00:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Check that- I think the problem is that the font of the actual letters is white. The background color doesn't stretch vertically to fit the top of the "P" and the bottom of the "K", and since the letters are white, they can't be seen against a white background. The letters still show up on my screen if I do this: PK<sc>rs</sc> They're just out of the background "box". [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 00:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm.. it looks different here on the talk page than it does on the article itself... and it looks different when the last changes are being viewed also. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Hopefully this will remedy the problem. The page now uses the infection icon shown on the Gen IV status screen. If there are still problems, please don't hesitate to report them. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That's much easier to see anyways than using text. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Pokérus and EVs==
I know this doesn't have much to do with Pokerus really but more so the larger subject of EVs in general. But i have some questions related to ensuring that your pokemon gain as many EVs as they can in as few levels as they can.

1. Seeing as a traded pokemon gains Exp at an accelerated rate does it also gain EVs at an accelerated rate?

2. Is the surest way to gain the maximum of EVs per level and thusly gain the highest stat boosts available to battle a huge amount of low leveled pokemon that give you as low an amount of experience possible? Can you max out EVs aquired in this manner or do the amount of EVs and the amount of exp directly coorespond? Maybe making a guide on how to ensure that your pokemon gain as manyb EV's in as few levels as possible would be a great contribution to bulbapedia, I would try but am brand new to this and really am still getting to know how the site works, thanks
-Drake
:Seeing as you are a new contributor, you probably won't know this, but it is better to ask these questions on the [bmgf.bulbagarden.net forums] instead of a talk page. Additionally, please sign your comments with 4 tildes (~) and put new comments at the bottom of the page. Anyways, here are the answers for your questions
:1. No, as EVs aren't directly tied to experience. It is more tied to the Pokémon fainted
:2. I'm not sure, but I think that is the way to EV train and maximize stats.
:I'm pretty sure these can be seen on the [[Effort Values|EV]] page, however. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks and sorry for messing the page up. I'll erase my stuff {{unsigned|Drake}}
:Actually, we'd prefer it if it stayed here—policy is to keep everything except the ridiculous. Sorry for the inconvenience. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon with Pokerus ==

On my Pokemon Platinum game, I just traded with myself (with my Pokemon Diamond game) and before I traded, Dialga (and yes this is who we're talkin' 'bout) didn't have Pokerus but when I traded it in to Pokemon Platinum, I put it straight into my PC still with no Pokerus and then the next day I went on my Pokemon Platinum, there was a smiley face on Dialga and a Smiley face in Generation IV means that there was Pokerus on that Pokemon. Is that even Possible?--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|Lilkaykaygal]] 07:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:Well, I have heard of similar happenings, it could be a glitch. Or there might be a small chance of it spreading in the PC. If someone could read the game's coding and find out, that would be useful. Or it was just a once-in-a-lifetime thing. But still, that is interesting. Do u use action replay, cause it could be some strange occasional side effect. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

::Pokérus doesn't spread in the PC, Desu, so there isn't a chance of that. And an AR wouldn't screw that up either, because this is game-to-game stuff. I'll dig around for an answer on the forums. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

:::No, I don't use Action Replay or anything. I hate how people cheat in games. I just go by gameplay. Everything was absolutely normal.--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Chances of Encountering Pokérus? ==

In Generation III onwards, does Pokérus still have a 3 in 65,536 chance of being encountered on a wild/bred pokémon like in Generation II? The article states that it became easier in later generations to get Pokérus because of certain event pokémon and the GTS, but doesn't make it clear if the chance of the virus being generated was improved since its introduction. And if it has been changed, does anyone know what the rate is now? [[User:Wannabe|Wannabe]] 17:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== The internal battery has run dry... ==

Up till recently I have been exclusively a generation one Pokémon player (Red Version more specifically); but recently I was given gold, silver, crystal, and ruby versions of the game. I had begun playing one of the generation two games, played it for about an hour; saved the game and turned it off. When I returned to the game a while later I discovered the disappointing fact that the save battery was not functioning. Further investigation revealed that the other generation two games had the same problem, making me unable to return to a saved game. The Ruby version is somewhat of a different story, its internal battery as well has run dry; disabling clock based events though allowing it still to be saved. I have the capacity, through use of a game shark, to trade Pokérus infected Pokémon from the generation two games to Ruby version. Since clock based events are functionless, and immunization seems to be a clock based event, will Pokérus remain indefinitely? Will I still be able to infect other Pokémon?
The advice of anyone having experience in this area would be much appreciated. {{unsigned|Bug Maniac}}
:You would still be able to infect other Pokémon, as that is not time based. I would think that Pokérus would not expire in a game without time-based events. However, you can just put infected Pokémon in your PC and they will never expire (as long as they are in the PC). The reason your Gen II games don't save while your Gen III games do is because Gen II saves differently to Gen III. Also, chances are that your Ruby's battery is fine, but you are affected by the [[Berry glitch]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pokérus and Healing ==
I've heard the chances of getting the Pokérus go up if you don't heal at a Pokemon Center. Is this true? Also, would healing at one of the rest houses (such as the hiker between Mt. Coronet and Snowpoint City) count as healing at a Pokémon center? Seevea of The Blackened Halls 23:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC) (this is Seevea if the signature thing doesn't work again ><){{unsigned|Seevea}}

Talk:Gary's Blastoise

2011-04-29T20:27:28Z

Legionaireb: /* Certainty */ new section

Didn't Squirtle appear in the Samurai episode in a flashback? So shoudn't that be the debut episode?--'''''[[User:Jmath|Jmath]] 18:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)'''''
::I disagree, because it wasn't clear who owned the Squirtle there. The flashback pictures were only the pokémon, we didn't see the trainer's faces. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

That is true, but Samurai did say that he fought the trainers from Pallet Town, and didn't Ash asked he fought Gary? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yes, and the Samurai didn't tell him what Pokémon Gary used. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::But we know now that it was Gary. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 21:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Not without watching the late Johto episode. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes but now that we watched the late johto episode everything is clear so that should be the debut episode [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]] 10:47 , 18 July 2008

== Squirtle pic? ==

I know the Squirtle picture is bad, but it's the only one we have. Is there any way to make the quality better?--[[User:Totodilesentret|Totodilesentret!]][[User Talk:Totodilesentret|Talk to me.]] 16:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Make a fresh screenshot from the DVD. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Talent Showdown ==

Should Blastoise's appearance in [[Talent Showdown]] be noted here? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:Probably, maybe put it under Trivia? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Certainty ==

Is it ABSOLUTELY certain that this is Gary's starter? Was it specifically stated anywhere? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 20:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Berry/Archive 1

2011-04-26T02:09:47Z

Legionaireb: Added growth time question

== Real Fruit ==

All of the berries are named after real fruit. Should we including this in the article? I think it's important... Here's what I've come up with so far. Some of them are really obscure. I'm only missing a few.

#Cheri - Cherry (or, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherimoya Cherimoya])
#Chesto - Chestnut
#Pecha - Peach
#Rawst - Straw(berry)
#Aspear - asian Pear
#Leppa - Apple
#Oran - Orange
#Persim - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persimmon Persimmon]
#Lum - Lime? ''Addition by [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] at 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC):'' It's from mulberry ("mul" backwards is "lum").
#Sitrus - Citrus
#Figy - Fig
#Wiki - Kiwi
#Mago - Mango
#Aguav - Guava
#Iapapa - Papaya
#Razz - Rasp(berry)
#Bluk - Black(barry)
#Nanab - Banana
#Wepear - western european Pear?
#Pinap - Pineapple
#Pomeg - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate Pomegranate] ''Addition by [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] at 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC):'' I fixed the spelling of pomegranate.
#Kelpsy - Kelp?
#Qualot - Kumquat?
#Hondew - Honeydew
#Grepa - Grape
#Tamato - Tomato
#Cornn - Corn
#Magost - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangosteen Mangosteen!]
#Rabuta - ? ''Addition by [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] at 21:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC):'' It's from rutabaga. ''Addition by [[User:444Zekrom|444Zekrom]] at 04:06, 10 October 2010'' Might be from Rambutan.
#Nomel - Lemon
#Spelon - spiked melon
#Pamtre - Palm Tree (Palm Fruit)
#Watmel - Watermelon
#Durin - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian Durian]
#Belue - Blue(berry)
#Liechi - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lychee]
#Ganlon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longan Longan]
#Salac - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak Salak]
#Petaya - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitaya Pitaya]
#Apicot - Apricot
#Lansat - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansium_domesticum Langsat]
#Starf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola Starfruit]

I didn't want to put this directly onto the page because it's not complete yet. Help is appreciated

→[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 18:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

:Qualot is from an obscure one, the [[wp:Loquat|Loquat]]. Lum's from [[wp:Mulberry|Mulberry]]. Rabuta sounds like [[wp:Rutabaga|Rutabaga]], though I'm not honestly sure if that's it. I'm very certain Spelon is [[wp:Melon|Melon]].--[[User:Pie|Pie]] 20:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, now that I think about it, Lum could also just be from [[wp:Plum|Plum]]. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 02:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I was actually thinking there could be a whole article about each berry, containing flavor and written tag information. I think the real fruit information could be better placed on each individual berry's page. However, we'd probably need a template for a page, or something to make them good. But I don't know how to make a template ... [[User:Slim|Slim]] 19:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

:I think I could make a good one, given just a bit of time... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 20:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll start up some pages for berries. The pages will be called, for example, Cheri (Berry). I'll get started →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 00:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:What kind of melon is spelon? It would have to be a specific type of melon to get the "sp" from. Also, could Aspear be [[wp:Asian Pear|Asian Pear]]. I can't think of anything for Wepear. I thought "Western Pear," but wikipedia doesn't have an article called that, and when I search for it on Google, all I got was "Best Western/Pear Tree Inn" Anyone have any ideas about "Wepear?" →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 15:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
::Here's my best guess for Wepear: [http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/index.php?section=environment:species:tree&id=612 ''Pyrus communis pyraster''], the '''W'''ild '''E'''uropean '''Pear'''. [[User:JudgeSpear|JudgeSpear]] 00:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I figured out "Rabuta." It's [[wp:Rambutan|Rambutan]]. It sounds more like "Rabuta" than "Rutabaga" and it's got hairs all over it, just like the rabuta berry.

Here are the Generation IV berries and their origins that do not have origins put up yet (I will put them up in their respective berry pages momentarily):
:41. Chople: Possibly [[wp:Chipotle|Chipotle]], in reference to its spiciness in the games and the real-life pepper's intense heat.
:42. Kebia: [[wp:Akebia_quinata|Akebia]]; the scientific name, ''akebia'', is a Latinization of the Japanese name for the genus, ''akebi''. Here is a page showing [http://www.paghat.com/akebiafruit.html Akebia fruit] that closely resembles the in-game Kebia Berry graphic.
:44. Coba: [[wp:Wild_rice|Coba]], an English name for several species of Manchurian wild rice, whose stems are used as a vegetable.
:47. Charti: [[wp:Artichoke]]
:48. Kasib: [[wp:Cassava]] root
:49. Colbur: [[wp:Muntingia_calabura|''Muntingia calabura'']], the plant from which the Calabura fruit comes
:50. Babiri: [[wp:Berberis_thunbergii| Japanese Barberry]] (''Berberis thunbergii'')
:52. Chilan: [[wp:Ancho|Ancho chili pepper]] (also called Poblano)
:61. Micle: The word "miracle". Or it could be from Clematis.
:62. Custap: [[wp:Custard_apple|Custard Apple]] (''Annona reticulata''), native to the tropical [[wp:New World|New World]]
:63. Jaboca: [[wp:Jabuticaba|Jabuticaba]], or Brazilian Grape Tree
:64. Rowap: [[wp:rowan|Rowan plant]], native throughout the cool temperate regions of the [[wp:northern hemisphere|northern hemisphere]], with the highest species diversity in the mountains of western [[wp:China|China]] and the [[wp:Himalaya|Himalaya]]
:::::[[User:JudgeSpear|JudgeSpear]] 02:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
What about these ones??
44 Pumkin Berry -Pumpkin

45 Drash Berry -?

46 Eggant Berry -Eggplant

47 Strib Berry - ?

49 Nutpea Berry -Peanut

50 Ginema Berry ?

51 Kuo Berry ?

52 Yago Berry ?

53 Touga Berry ?

54 Niniku Berry ?

55 Topo Berry ?

[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 01:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)WOWY
:I'm thinking Strib = Stringbean? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Soil system in generation IV? ==

it seems the soil and watering work differently from generation III, the soil visibly changes color, from dark brown, to an orange-brown, to pale and sand-like. as far as i can tell, the soil dries by one shade in half the time it takes the plant to grow a stage. the planted berries start with dark watered soil, and it seems the timer on the soil resets based on when the plants are watered, as opposed to being directly linked with plant growth.
:Not to mention the kinds of mulch you can buy that also affect the soil. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 23:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::moreover, based on my observations, you have to water twice as often for the best results, and the max yield for older berries seems higher. those details are probably pretty important. ~Kendai
:::Later on, I'm definitely gonna be revamping the page. Adding a "growth" section, possibly to each generation. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I did a careful watching of berry growth under many different factors. I planted berries in routes 208(normal), 212 (rainy), and 228 (sandstorm). each four-berry place had one plant each with growth and damp mulch.

Basically I found out that it's as simple as watering slightly more often. When a berry is planted, it starts with fully damp dark brown soil. if left alone, it will dry to orange-brown soil the same time it grows it's first stage, and dry out completely to a sandy color at the next stage. When the player waters berries with the sprayduck, the soil returns to the darkest color if it has dried, and will stay fully moist for the same amount of time it takes the plant to grow a stage.

This seems to be a slightly more flexible system, as the watering time is not fixed to the four stages, any time the plants are watered the soil will stay damp for a full growth stage duration.

However, I have seen cases of the soil drying faster than the plants grow. I'm not sure what causes this, as in my test the soil dried in sync with growth times in all three places. ~Kendai
:my test used one type of berry. While growing berries normally I noticed a slower-growing berry group actually dried out faster than others. This might mean the growth time list may also need a list of "drying times" for generation 4. I did use growth much on the slower berries and damp mulch on the faster ones, but despite that the slower set still grew slower. More observations will be needed. Anyone care to help with that? ~Kendai
::I've noticed that the five event berries (Enigma and its buddies) dry twice as fast as the other 96-hour berries (Liechi and its buddies). I'm thinking we ought implement a drying times table or something. Anyone know what the game's code says? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I have drying times for most of the berries now.
1-8 4 hours
9 7 hours
10 8 hours
11-15 5 hours
16-20 2 hours
21-26 7 hours
27-30 5 hours
31-35 7 hours
36-52 9 hours
A pattern I saw in "drying rate" from some websites didn't pan out as it had 53-59 drying in 15 hours, and my test of them had them drying faster. I'm about to do a small test with fast growing berries, but I'm certain the result will show better berry yield from keeping the soil moist opposed to once each stage. [[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 20:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:My test shattered what I had previously thought about drying times, but i have a new theory which would make sense of the "drying rate" some websites have.
Imagine the soil's moisture as a percentage, the soil turns orange at 50%, and white at 0% the percentage reduces by the drying rate each hour. the match for this is consistent with my recorded drying times without mulch, But if I'm right so far, a whole can of worms is opened for how mulch effects drying rate, because the growth much is making the Razz dry over 50% in one hour, but if the rate increase is by 25%, then it'd only lower by 43.75%. [[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 01:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:Theory;mulch effects drying rate by 50%, rather than 25%.

== Damage-reducing Berries ==

Do these reduce an attack's damage by 50%? The reason I ask is because no damage calculator I know of factors these in, so it's been bugging me for a while. Would the effect be as if the defending pokemon had +2 defense? [[User:Juunannio|Juunannio]] 10:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:Far as I know, they cancel out the super-effectiveness, which means a 50% damage reduction. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.png|Fire echy]]''' 01:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::THey cancel out, alright. But if it is 4x (Like on Flygon-san) then itdecreases to only 2x. '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''14:04 3 May 2008'''''

:::If {{p|Shedinja}} were to hold an Occa Berry, would a Fire-type move still work on it? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm sure the berry only works by halving the damage, and for shedinja, ANY damage is fatal. However, you CAN get the desired result by using focus sash, it will cover one hit of any type.

==Cards==
Should we include the CCG berries, like "Balloon Berry"?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not 100% sure what to do, but it's possible you could make a new page or category dealing with TCG berries (and link to it at the bottom of the Berry page). They don't correspond to a specific game generation, nor would they be able to fit into the numbering scheme present in the Generation III-IV berries. [[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]] 02:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Berry dropping ==

After berries grow in loamy soil, they stay for a while, but replant or vanish if not picked. The fact doesn't seem to be covered in this article, or i missed it while looking. I was hoping to find an explanation of how long berries stay on a plant after growing. The individual berry pages list total growth time and length of each stage, but i haven't seen the addition of how long they stay before vanishing on those pages either. ~Kendai
:A set of berries I forgot about seemed to last half the total growth time, or twice the growth of a stage, based on the stage they were at and when they were planted. can someone confirm? ~Kendai
::I'd also like confirmation... not about to test my Lum Berries. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

== Which Berry?? ==

Hell I was playing PBR and a Pokémon (can't remember which) used Draco Meteor, but after its stats droped it recovered them with a berry - which berry did it use - I tried to find on here but no luck (or I'm blind - probably blind to be fair) [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 15:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

:No berry programmed into [[Generation IV]] has an effect like you say happened. The only berry that raises a lowered stat is the [[Ginema Berry]], a Japan-only [[e-Reader]] berry available only in [[Generation III]].

:However, there is an item available to Generation IV that restores dropped stats--the [[White Herb]]. It's possible that you confused the White Herb for a berry, since the White Herb does vanish after being used. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

{{u|Missingno. Master}} just added a bunch of apricorns to the list of berries. While both come from fruit-bearing trees, I think the Apricorns can be thought of as separate, what with the lacking "berry" in the name and all. I'm opening this for discussion before I revert, so I can hear everyone else's thoughts and avoid an edit war. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry, forgot to mention. Because of their relationship, we can mention apricorns in the article and include a link to their article. I just don't like having them mixed in with the berries on the list. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::That I agree with: Berries aren't Apricorns. If in GSDS or a future game they allow them both to be planted, we can go for a greater link, but GS's system doesn't exactly give us a lot of info. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Kanto, Loamy Soil, and Generation II ==

So if Kanto's soil is so infertile that it doesn't have loamy soil and can't support berry growth, how does it have berry trees in Gen II like the one on Route 1 between the ledges? It's always stated that Kanto doesn't grow berries because the soil can't support it - due to the region of Japan most likely - but in Gen II it could support berry growth. Does this mean that Kanto's soil got better in just three years? ''If'' GSDS comes out, then we might have an answer, but it seems like a trivia-worthy mentioning to me. GSDS would also answer a lot of questions about berries - like if a "Berry" is an "Oran Berry" without the actual name. But this inconsistency with Kanto's soil has been bothering me for some time now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 00:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's got, what, one or two berry trees, and they're close to the west side of it anyway, so I'd say it got better by a little, but it's gonna go nowhere near Hoenn and Sinnoh levels anytime soon.
:Funny thing though... the excuse given is volcanic, when there's several berry plots just outside [[Mt. Chimney]] in Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Performance ==

The berries can be typically grouped into groups of 5. Eg. Cheri, Chesto, Pecha, Rast and Aspear Berries, all cure a status ailment. So shouldn't they all have the same level at 100% performance. In the articles, Cheri, Chesto and Aspear have level 13. While Pecha has 14, and raswt at 12. Becasue if you try a Cheri or Rawst you'd get around the 10's. But if you try Figy or Mago you'd normally get high 10's or low 20's. So i think berries in the same group have the same level at 100% performance. So if someone gets level 14 for Pecha, all the others in the group should be changed to the highest level if it is in the same group.--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Formula ==

So why aren't the math tags working in the formula? {{unsigned|Zelda311}}
:First off, that signature template is prohibited per our {{bp|signature policy}}. Secondly, math tags are disabled so I've put together an image to do it in proper math markup. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::Does that apply for this page or every article? --[[User:Zelda311|Zelda311]] 15:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't it very simply be ''actual_yield = (stages_watered + 1) * minimum_yield''? I admit I don't usually get less than max (and I've only worked on 16-20 in Gen IV recently to remember well) to say that the current formula is categorically wrong, but, most damningly, it implies that, if c evaluates to 0, you can't get maximum yield. In some hundreds of recent plantings, I've gotten max yield from max waterings, without fail, which doesn't seem very random (at the very least, c evaluating to 0 should have been a 1 in 8 chance). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] 05:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:I just looked at the results of a few tests I wrote down once upon a time, and they actually suggest that it is ''not'' so simple as "''actual_yield = (stages_watered + 1) * minimum_yield''" (e.g., I apparently got 5 Cheri berries from watering ''once'', in the "growing bigger" stage). On the other hand, I still think that the current formula is wrong (refer above again: the random variable should not allow consistent max yield). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] 06:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think there is something wrong with the berry formula as it stands now. On the Leppa berry page, it says it will yield 2-5 berries. This means that a=2 and b=5, yes? Assuming you water the plant at least once at every stage, and that the random number chosen is the maximum (in this case, 5), you end up with the number 4. [((2-5)*(4-1))+5)/4]+5 = 4
The berry formula needs to exist in such a way that the maximum berry yield is the same number you end up with. (I've planted several Leppa berries in gen 4; I CONSISTENTLY get 5 berries at every stage.)
So, unless the numbers on the individual berry pages are wrong, or if the true maximum yield is never possible, then this formula is still wrong.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 17:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
*So, the formula has been fixed, but there is still no explanation for decimals and how rounding is done.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 12:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe the variable for "c" in the formula section is incorrect. It should read "c is a number randomly chosen between 0 and (a minus b), inclusive". [[User:Poccil|Poccil]] 14:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== HeartGold and SoulSilver ==
I noticed while working on this and the individual berry pages that required it that the shards that were traded for them seemed to match the color either completely or partially of the color of the shard used to obtain that particular berry. I would like a second opinion since I will not add it as trivia without other opinions. I also used the berries' actual pictures and not the sprites for this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

== BIG TASK ==

I noticed that this page is missing a lot of the tree sprites in the various stages of growth and I found a pic with ALL of the sprites from gen 3. The problem is, I don't have the time to piece out each individual sprite. I uploaded the image so to whoever has a lot of time on their hands, here is the file name: File:All_Berries_g3.png --[[User:CH3ATER|CH3ATER]] 20:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origins ==

'''Generations III and IV'''
#Cheri - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry Cherry]
#Chesto - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chestnut Chestnut]
#Pecha - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach Peach]
#Rawst - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry Strawberry]
#Aspear - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrus_pyrifolia Asian Pear]
#Leppa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple Apple]
#Oran - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit) Orange]
#Persim - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persimmon Persimmon]
#Lum - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulberry Mulberry]
#Sitrus - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus Citrus]
#Figy - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_fig Fig]
#Wiki - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(fruit) Kiwi Fruit]
#Mago - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango Mango]
#Aguav - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guava Guava]
#Iapapa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya Papaya]
#Razz - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry Raspberry]
#Bluk - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Berry Blackberry]
#Nanab - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(fruit) Kiwi Fruit]
#Wepear - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Pear Western Pear]
#Pinap - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineapple Pineapple]
#Pomeg - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate Pomegranate]
#Kelpsy - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelp Kelp] (?)
#Qualot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat Loquat]
#Hondew - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeydew_(melon) Honeydew Melon]
#Grepa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape Grape]
#Tamato - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato Tomato]
#Cornn - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn]
#Magost - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangosteen Mangosteen]
#Rabuta - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutagaba]
#Nomel - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon Lemon]
#Spelon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_melon Spiked Melon]
#Pamtre - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Tree Palm Tree]
#Watmel - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon Watermelon]
#Durin - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian Durian]
#Belue - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueberry Blueberry]

'''Generation III''' (Regular)
:36. Liechi - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lychee]
:37. Ganlon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longan Longan]
:38. Salac - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak Salak]
:39. Petaya - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitaya Pitaya]
:40. Apicot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot Apricot]
:41. Lansat - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansium_domesticum Langsat]
:42. Starf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola Starfruit]
:43. Enigma - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]

'''Generation III''' (e-Reader: Series I)
:44. Pumkin - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin Pumpkin]
:45. Drash - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radish Radish]
:46. Eggant - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggplant Eggplant]
:47. Strib - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bean String Beans]
:48. Chilan - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physalis_alkekengi Chinese Lantern]
:49. Nutpea - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut Peanut]

'''Generation III''' (e-Reader: Series II)*
:50. Ginema - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion Onion]
:51. Kuo - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okra Okra]
:52. Yago - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Melon Bitter Melon]
:53. Touga - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_Pepper Chili Pepper]
:54. Niniku - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]
:55. Topo - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]

'''Generation IV'''
:36. Occa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacao_bean Cacao Bean]
:37. Passho - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_Fruit Passion Fruit]
:38. Wacan - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan Water Pecan]
:39. Rindo - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarind Tamarind]
:40. Yache - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherimoya Cherimoya]
:41. Chople - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipotle Chipotle]
:42. Kebia - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akebia_quinata Akebia]
:43. Shuca - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew Cashew]
:44. Coba - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babaco Babaco]
:45. Payapa - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya Papaya]
:46. Tanga - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenia_uniflora Pitanga]
:47. Charti - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artichoke Artichoke]
:48. Kasib - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava Cassava Root]
:49. Haban - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psidium_littorale Terihabanjirō]
:50. Colbur - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocklebur Cocklebur]
:51. Babiri - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berberis_thunbergii Japanese Barberry]
:52. Chilan - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physalis_alkekengi Chinese Lantern]
:53. Liechi - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee Lychee]
:54. Ganlon - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longan Longan]
:55. Salac - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak Salak]
:56. Petaya - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitaya Pitaya]
:57. Apicot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot Apricot]
:58. Lansat - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansium_domesticum Langsat]
:59. Starf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola Starfruit]
:60. Enigma - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma Enigma]
:61. Micle - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Fruit Miracle Fruit]
:62. Custap - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custard-Apple Custard Apple]
:63. Jaboca - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabuticaba Jabuticaba]
:64. Rowap - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan Rowan] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top Spinning Top]

*These origins are Japanese seeing as they were not available in the English versions of the game.

Hours of research and organisation by Zeebedee {{unsigned|Zeebedee}}
: Please do '''NOT''' remove talk page comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 11:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Berry list suggestion ==

It would be extremely useful to have a list (or should I say a comparison) of berries by the Poffin sheen/condition point yield. Or perhaps (since its usefulness requires a lot of space) one on each page [[Beauty Contest]]/[[Cool Contest]]/etc. which gives information on such things, as, base level, level at 00:40 (common lower bound), sheen yield, stat yield at 00:60times, trunc(255/sheenYield)*statYield, etc.

I may be able to contribute for some berries, but for most hybrids I wouldn't have a clue. -- [[User:Pokey|Pokey]] 08:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Human Safe? ==
In Gold/Silver or HeartGold/SoulSilver, There is a specific character who gives you a call (Im not exactly sure what the name was, but it may have been a fisherman or a hiker), That called to tell you his Pokémon was eating right berries now. He then proceeds to say that he wasn't sure whether or not they were safe for humans to eat, But exclaims that it was delicious. I am not sure if this is canon or not. --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 22:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hiker Anthony, Route 33. They also seem to be safe for humans to eat in the anime, although evidently the Tamato Berry is rather spicy. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:54, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== Stat affecting berries are listed incorrectly - ==

All of the stat boosting berries are listed as kicking in at 1/3 health. This is not true, they kick in at 1/4 health, confirmed by Smogon and my copies of Diamond and Soulsilver. Anyone who can edit the template better than I can should show me how so that I can fix it. It's messed up on this page, and on all of their individual pages. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 01:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:Is this for both Gen III and Gen IV, or just one of them? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::I can't confirm anything for Generation III, as I don't have any copies of the games anymore. Some of my friends were confused that their berries didn't kick in at 1/3rd "like they did in RSE," but that's the best I have to offer there. They actually pointed me here, which led to this. The only thing I know for sure is that the information is incorrect for Generation IV. A comment from a Gen III playtester would be welcome. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 13:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Apparently it has always been 1/4, so I've changed the pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Berry care in generation IV ==

The growth stages seem to have become cosmetic in Generation IV, with the moisture of soil being the new measure of berry health. Individual berries have a "drying rate" that determines how quickly the soil becomes dry, in percent per hour. [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 10:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== HG/SS Useless Berries? ==

This concerns the Razz, Bluk, Nanab, Wepear, Pinap, Cornn, Magost, Rabuta, Nomel, Spelon, Pamtre, Watmel, Durin, and Belue berries. The HG/SS descriptions of all of these berries just say they are used to make Poffins in Sinnoh. The only other thing about them I could find on the site is that they can be traded for accessories at the flower shop in Floaroma Town, also in Sinnoh. Seeing as I'm not IN Sinnoh, is there anything I can do with these berries or should I just trash 'em all?[[User:Chamtechie|Chammy]] 23:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, first of all, this kind of question belongs on the {{BMGf||forums}}. But to answer your question, no, I don't think there's a use for them in HGSS. You can probably sell them or trade a Pokémon holding them to DPPt. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Berries in Black n White ==

There are 2 NPC-non-trainer based source for berries in BW. One is a clown in Castelia city's art gallery located at the 2nd alley from skyline gate while the other is a businessman residing in Lacunosa town available during weekends. The latter gives out rarer berries such as damage-reducing berries. Should this be added to the berries section? Anyone?
[[User:Milkgila|Milkgila]] 11:38, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Do berries grow at the same rate in the [[Pokémon Dream World]] as they do in 4th gen? It should be noted in the article either way. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 02:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon Dream World

2011-04-26T02:05:43Z

Legionaireb: Added a link to 'Berries'

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[[File:Pokémon Dream World logo.png|thumb|300px|Dream World logo]]
The '''Pokémon Dream World''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンドリームワールド''' ''Pokémon Dream World'') is a special feature of {{game|Black and White|s}}. Operated via the [[Pokémon Global Link]] [http://en.pokemon-gl.com/ website], the Dream World allows players to send a Pokémon to the internet to obtain items and meet other Pokémon, making the website like a [[Generation V]] analog to the [[Pokéwalker]].

==Access==
Fans may access the Dream World by creating an account at the Pokémon Daisuki Club website, which is available only in Japanese, or Pokemon.com for international players. To have full access to one's account, players must first send a Pokémon to the Dream World by using their [[C-Gear]]'s only Online feature, Game Sync. After doing so, players may now have full access to the Global Link site. An account may only have one Pokémon Black and one Pokémon White game with access to it.

When doing certain actions for the first time, players are given a tutorial by [[Fennel]]. They may then explore the rest of the Dream World on their own. With the reopening of the Global Link site after the release of international versions of Black and White, players who have had Japanese accounts prior to the reopening will be given tutorials once again.

Due to the amount of people accessing the site at one time, players are currently given only one hour to access the Dream World a day. They may enter the Dream World again 24 hours after when they have entered. However, the website may {{DL|Global Link|Routine maintenance|occasionally be under maintenance}}, prohibiting access.

==Features==
===Home===
[[File:DW Home Outside.png|thumb|300px|Outside the home]]
[[File:DW Home Inside.png|thumb|300px|Inside the home]]
Players are given a home they can customize in the Dream World. With the use of certain [[berries]], they may purchase [[List of Pokémon Dream World Décor|Décor]] to decorate the rooms available in the house. The house itself may be remodeled for a certain amount of berries. Each day, players may also unlock one of up to five special pieces of Décor by talking to a designer named '''Loblolly''' in [[Nacrene City]].

The house itself contains a treasure chest, where players may see the items they have in the Dream World. They will also have the option to send back to their games via the [[Entralink]]. The Friend Board is available for players to see which Pokémon they are going to send back to Pokémon Black or White, as well as showing the ones they have sent before.

===Garden===
Unlike past generation games, Black and White do not allow players to plant Berries. Instead, players may plant Berries in the Dream World in the garden found in the area to the left of their home in the Dream World. Two rows are available from the beginning for players to plant their berries in, with each row allowing players to plant up to three Berries. A third row will be dug by {{p|Diglett}} after players have earned at least 900 Dream Points, and a fourth after they've earned at least 2100.

Berries and other items are found throughout the Dream Island. They may either be sent to the player's games, be traded to other players or be used to buy Décor.

The Berry patches require watering, or they will dry out. A player can water their own Berries or others'. As of the April 2011 update, players may only water other players' Berries a total of twenty times per trip to the Dream World. However, players can water their own Berry patches an unlimited number of times.

===Share Shelf===
To the right of the player's home is a stand where items may be placed. Other players can swap their own items for items placed on a Share Shelf. A player will not be able to trade for an item that they already have, and will not be able to trade back an item they have traded away as of the April 2011 update. Each trade will earn the player 1 Dream Point.

===Island of Dreams===
[[File:DW Dream Tree Pokémon.png|thumb|300px|Arriving at the Tree of Dreams]]
While players may access the other features of the Dream World even when they do not have a Pokémon in the Dream World, they may access the Island of Dreams only when they do have a Pokémon in the Dream World. The island has several areas players may explore, find items and befriend Pokémon. More areas are unlocked as players obtain Dream Points. If the player has access to more than one area, they are sent to a random area every time they go to the island. If players obtain the necessary amount of points to unlock an area, they can access the area even without logging out of Dream World or Global Link.

After exploring an area, players will go to the Tree of Dreams, where they may choose to leave a Berry in the tree and make a wish to choose one of their befriended Pokémon to send to the Entralink. If they do, they may not revisit the Island of Dreams until the next trip. However, if they do not choose to make a wish and befriend a Pokémon, they have the choice of visiting the island again to look for more Pokémon and items. Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island. Only fifty Pokémon may be sent to the Friend Board; this limit, however, has been removed from the pre-April 2011 version.

====Areas====
{| align="center" style="background: #ef52b2; {{roundy|10px}} border: 3px solid #c6007b;"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#ffc0cb; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Area
! style="background:#ffc0cb; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Unlock Method
|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
| {{color2|000|Pleasant Forest (Dream World area)|Pleasant Forest}}
| Default
|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
| {{color2|000|Windswept Sky (Dream World area)|Windswept Sky}}
| 2500 Dream Points{{tt|*|previously 5000}}
|-
| style="background: #FFFFFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Sparkling Sea (Dream World area)|Sparkling Sea}}
| style="background: #FFFFFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | 5000 Dream Points{{tt|*|previously 10000}}
|}{{-}}

====Mini-games====
After finding a Pokémon, players are given an option to participate in mini-games in order to befriend them. The type of game depends on the Pokémon species encountered. Getting certain amounts of points in a game allows players to obtain Pokémon with moves not normally obtained by leveling up.

=====Find the missing <Pokémon>!=====
*Time limit: One minute, thirty seconds
"<Pokémon>" in the title gets changed depending on the Pokémon to be found. Players must find a certain Pokémon within the time limit by navigating through the map. They may see a bush, cloud, rock, or many other things rustling, or they may click objects themselves. Seeing something rustling or clicking on something may reveal a Pokémon hiding there. However, most often than not, it is not the Pokémon sought after. When encountering the wrong Pokémon, the timer temporarily pauses as to not penalize the player.

Players may click "Listen carefully" to hear if the Pokémon sought after is within a three block radius from the player. Players may also find an item lost by the Pokémon by clicking on some sparkles - an item that will be given to the Pokémon, allowing players to gain bonus points. The Pokémon to be found is always close to the item. The game automatically ends when the Pokémon is found.

=====Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!=====
*Time limit: Two minutes
Players must guide {{p|Pelipper}} using hand flags—the player's cursor—to finish the race. The space bar, on the other hand, as well as a button on the screen, allows players to pause the game. There are certain things that will help finish the race sooner or even later. Boost Energy, in the form of a symbol with a water drop or a symbol of the Pokémon's type, will earn points. Hitting three will make the Pokémon fly faster. Clouds, however, will slow down the Pokémon. Delay Energy, in the form of a symbol with a lightning bolt or a symbol the Pokémon is weak to, will slow down or stop the Pokémon. This will also make the Pokémon lose the Boost Energy it has earned. The game ends when the Pokémon reaches the goal.

=====Pile ice cream!=====
*Time limit: One minute, thirty seconds
Players must choose a berry in their treasure chests to use in the game. The type of ice cream available will depend on the berry. Certain berries will bring ice cream that can be scooped more easily or stickier ice cream; the opposite is also true. Players must stack ice cream scoops on top of each other and at least reach the minimal goal of twenty inches to win the game. The score will be higher if the player balances three kinds of ice cream or if bite-size scoops are made, as well as if their stack is tall.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{night color dark}}; border: 3px solid #{{night color}}" class="roundy"
|-
! rowspan="2" colspan="2" style="background:#{{Kanto color light}}" class="roundytl" | {{color|{{night color}}|[[Berry]]}}
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{TCG Item color light}}" class="roundytr" | {{color|{{night color}}|Scoop/Stickiness}}
|-
! style="background:#{{TCG Item color light}}" | {{color|{{night color}}|Flavor 1}}
! style="background:#{{TCG Item color light}}" | {{color|{{night color}}|Flavor 2}}
! style="background:#{{TCG Item color light}}" | {{color|{{night color}}|Flavor 3}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Cheri Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Cheri Berry]]
|1/3
|2/4
|3/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Chesto Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Chesto Berry]]
|1/3
|3/5
|2/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Pecha Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Pecha Berry]]
|2/4
|1/3
|3/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Rawst Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Rawst Berry]]
|2/4
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|1/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Aspear Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Aspear Berry]]
|3/5
|1/3
|2/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Leppa Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Leppa Berry]]
|2/4
|3/5
|5/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Oran Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Oran Berry]]
|2/1
|3/2
|4/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Persim Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Persim Berry]]
|2/2
|3/3
|4/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Lum Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Lum Berry]]
|2/3
|3/4
|4/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Sitrus Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Sitrus Berry]]
|1/4
|2/5
|4/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Figy Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Figy Berry]]
|1/5
|3/1
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Wiki Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Wiki Berry]]
|1/5
|4/2
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Mago Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Mago Berry]]
|3/1
|1/5
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Aguav Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Aguav Berry]]
|3/1
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|1/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Iapapa Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Iapapa Berry]]
|4/2
|1/5
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Razz Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Razz Berry]]
|1/1
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|3/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Bluk Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Bluk Berry]]
|1/1
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|2/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Nanab Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Nanab Berry]]
|2/2
|1/1
|3/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Wepear Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Wepear Berry]]
|2/2
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|1/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Pinap Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Pinap Berry]]
|3/3
|1/1
|2/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Pomeg Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Pomeg Berry]]
|2/5
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|5/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Kelpsy Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Kelpsy Berry]]
|2/5
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|4/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Qualot Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Qualot Berry]]
|4/1
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|5/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Hondew Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Hondew Berry]]
|4/1
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|2/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Grepa Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Grepa Berry]]
|5/2
|2/5
|4/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Tamato Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Tamato Berry]]
|5/2
|4/1
|2/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Cornn Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Cornn Berry]]
|3/3
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|1/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Magost Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Magost Berry]]
|1/1
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|3/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Rabuta Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Rabuta Berry]]
|1/1
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|2/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Nomel Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Nomel Berry]]
|2/2
|1/1
|3/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Spelon Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Spelon Berry]]
|1/2
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|3/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Pamtre Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Pamtre Berry]]
|1/2
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|2/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Watmel Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Watmel Berry]]
|2/3
|1/2
|3/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Durin Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Durin Berry]]
|2/3
|3/4
|1/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Belue Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Belue Berry]]
|3/4
|1/2
|2/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Occa Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Occa Berry]]
|3/1
|4/2
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Passho Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Passho Berry]]
|3/1
|5/3
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Wacan Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Wacan Berry]]
|4/2
|3/1
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Rindo Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Rindo Berry]]
|4/2
|5/3
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Yache Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Yache Berry]]
|5/3
|3/1
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Chople Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Chople Berry]]
|5/3
|4/2
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Kebia Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Kebia Berry]]
|3/1
|4/2
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Shuca Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Shuca Berry]]
|3/1
|5/3
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Coba Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Coba Berry]]
|4/2
|3/1
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Payapa Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Payapa Berry]]
|4/2
|5/3
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Tanga Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Tanga Berry]]
|5/3
|3/1
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Charti Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Charti Berry]]
|5/3
|4/2
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Kasib Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Kasib Berry]]
|3/1
|4/2
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Haban Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Haban Berry]]
|3/1
|5/3
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Colbur Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Colbur Berry]]
|4/2
|3/1
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Babiri Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Babiri Berry]]
|4/2
|5/3
|3/1
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Chilan Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Chilan Berry]]
|5/3
|3/1
|4/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Liechi Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Liechi Berry]]
|3/2
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|5/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Ganlon Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Ganlon Berry]]
|3/2
|5/4
|4/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Salac Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Salac Berry]]
|4/3
|3/2
|5/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Petaya Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Petaya Berry]]
|4/3
|5/4
|3/2
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Apicot Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Apicot Berry]]
|5/4
|3/2
|4/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Lansat Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Lansat Berry]]
|3/4
|4/5
|5/3
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Starf Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Starf Berry]]
|3/4
|5/3
|4/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Enigma Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Enigma Berry]]
|3/3
|4/4
|5/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Micle Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Micle Berry]]
|4/3
|3/5
|5/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Custap Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Custap Berry]]
|4/3
|5/4
|3/5
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Jaboca Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Jaboca Berry]]
|3/5
|4/3
|5/4
|- align=center style="background:#{{night color light}}"
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | {{Bag|Rowap Berry}}
| style="background:#{{winter color light}}" | [[Rowap Berry]]
|3/5
|5/4
|4/3
|}

=====Play with Wailord.=====
*Time limit: one minute, thirty seconds
Players must guide {{p|Wailord}} and its spout to make four Pokémon - {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Meowth}}, {{p|Piplup}}, and {{p|Buizel}} - launch into the air and hit balls that match the Pokémon to make the balls open. To win, players must open at least fifteen balls. When a ball opens, lamps to the right side of the screen light up, and when five light up, the score multiplier increases. The multiplier goes back to the base value when a Pokémon falls into the water. If the player reaches the end of the game with none of the Pokémon falling into the water, they receive a 10,000 point bonus.

===Abilities===
[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
:''For a list of Pokémon and their Hidden Abilities, please see [[List of Pokémon by ability]]''
Many Pokémon that are found in the Dream Island are not found in the [[Unova]] region, and would otherwise have to be migrated from a [[Generation IV]] game to be used. Almost all Pokémon are given Hidden Abilities that their species cannot have by normal means. Some Pokémon do not have Hidden Abilities because they are defined by their ability, such as {{p|Slaking}}, {{p|Shedinja}}, {{p|Castform}}, {{p|Plusle}}, {{p|Minun}}, {{p|Arceus}}, and many Pokémon with {{a|Levitate}}; however, some may still be encountered here.

====Breeding mechanics====
Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Breeding with {{p|Ditto}} does not pass on abilities. For example, if a female {{p|Darmanitan}} with {{a|Zen Mode}} bred with a male {{p|Simisage}}, the offspring {{p|Darumaka}} may have {{a|Inner Focus}} instead of the usual {{a|Hustle}} and would evolve into a Darmanitan with {{a|Zen Mode}}, instead of {{a|Sheer Force}}. However, it should be noted that there is also a chance of not passing on the ability.

===Dream Pals===
A player can become Dream Pals with another player by visiting their house and sending a Dream Pal request. The other player's footprint mat will then glow until the request is accepted, denied, or expires. If the other player accepts, the two players become Dream Pals, and a rainbow bridge will link the two players' homes on their Dream Pal maps.

When visiting another player's house, it is possible to view their Dream Pal map, and go directly to the houses of other Dream Pals of that player. This allows the creation of large networks of players.

In addition, on the player's Dream Pal map, a random player's house will appear in the bottom right-hand corner, as long as the privacy settings are set to "everyone". This player is randomly selected every time the player opens the Dream Pal map.

===Dream Points===
Dream Points are earned by doing certain actions in the Dream World. Similar to earning {{OBP|Watt|currency}}s in the [[Pokéwalker]], gaining Dream Points allows players to unlock more areas on the Island of Dreams. As of December 21, 2010, all Dream Point requirements were halved permanently.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{TCG Item color light}}; {{roundy|10px}} border: 3px solid #{{night color dark}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{Kanto color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Activity
! style="background:#{{Kanto color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Points Earned
|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
| Trading items via Share Shelf
| 1 Point
|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
| Picking berries
| 10 Points
|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
| Watering a friend's berries
| 10 Points
|- style="background: #FFFFFF;"
| Winning a minigame
| 10 to 30 Points
|-
| style="background: #FFFFFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Sending a new Pokémon to Entree Forest
| style="background: #FFFFFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | 50 Points
|}{{-}}

==Waking up==
Right before saving the game and finishing a session, players are given the option to make real the Pokémon friends they have met and any items they have collected. These items will become available immediately after waking a Pokémon up using the {{DL|C-Gear|Game Sync}} function. Anything materialized from the Dream World into a copy of Pokémon Black or White can be found within the [[Entralink]].

If the player earns 500 points between tucking the Pokémon in and waking it up, the Pokémon's level increases.

Waking up also initiates any Pokémon Black or White customizations made on the {{pkmn|Global Link}} website.

==Gallery==
<gallery perrow=3>
File:DW Berry Field.png|At the garden
File:DW Share Shelf item.png|An [[Oran Berry]] up for trade
File:DW Rainbow.png|Going to the Island of Dreams
File:DW Item.png|Finding an item
File:DW Find Pokémon.png|Encountering a Pokémon
File:DW Friend Board photos.png|Viewing the Friend Board
</gallery>

==In other languages==

==External links==
*[http://en.pokemon-gl.com/ Pokémon Global Link website]
**[http://en.pokemon-gl.com/traffic/product_5556/ Pokémon Dream World Usage Level] (updated hourly)

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{{Project Games notice}}

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EP079

2011-04-25T20:28:20Z

Legionaireb: Added 'Volt Tackle' and 'Brock' items

{{EpicodePrevNext|
prevcode=EP078 |
prevtitle=A Friend In Deed |
nextcode=EP080 |
nexttitle=Friends to the End |
series=Original series |
colorscheme=Kanto| }}
{{EpisodeInfobox|
epcode=EP079 |
colorscheme=Kanto|
title_en=Friend and Foe Alike |
title_ja=セキエイスタジアム！ＶＳヒロシ！ |
title_ja_trans=Sekiei Stadium! VS Hiroshi! |
screen=yes |
broadcast_jp=January 14, 1999 |
broadcast_us=November 27, 1999 |
en_series=Indigo League |
en_op=[[Pokémon Theme]] |
ja_op=[[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master|めざせポケモンマスター]] |
ja_ed=[[Type Wild|タイプ・ワイルド]] |
olmteam=Team Ota |
scenario=園田英樹 |
storyboard=福本潔 |
director=福本潔 |
art=福本勝 |
morecredits=yes |
epstaffpage=EP071-EP080 |
footnotes= }}
'''Friend and Foe Alike''' (Japanese: '''セキエイスタジアム！ＶＳヒロシ！''' ''{{tt|Sekiei|Indigo}} Stadium! VS {{tt|Hiroshi|Ritchie}}!'') is the 79th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on January 14, 1999 and in the United States on November 27, 1999.

{{spoilers}}
== Synopsis ==
After foiling one of [[Team Rocket]]'s heists in the [[EP078|last episode]], {{Ash}} and [[Ritchie]] are {{pkmn|battle|battling}} against each other in the round five battle! {{an|Brock}}, {{an|Misty}} and [[Nurse Joy]] think Ash is lucky he gets to battle a friend, and he and Ritchie vow to make it the best battle they've had. Unfortunately for Ash, due to Team Rocket's sneaky tricks, he becomes distracted on the way to the next battle. Team Rocket kidnaps Ash and demand that he either surrenders his {{AP|Pikachu}} to them or be unable to battle Ritchie in Round five. Ash is trapped in the back of a truck, but manages to escape by flooding the entire truck with {{AP|Squirtle}}, and escapes when the truck runs over. Team Rocket returns, but Ash uses his Bulbasaur to defeat them. They return yet again, with bikes. Pikachu uses {{m|ThunderShock}} to paralyze them. They return a final time by hooking a crane on the bike Ash stole from them, and lifting him into the air. Ash takes out {{AP|Pidgeotto}} to fly Pikachu up into their air balloon, where Pikachu uses {{m|Thunderbolt}} on them, and they drop into the forest. Ash orders Pidgeotto to fly the [[Team Rocket's mechas#Meowth Hot Air Balloon|Rocket Air Balloon]] to the Pokémon stadium.

Meanwhile, Ritchie and everyone else is awaiting Ash's arrival. Everybody is getting tired of waiting and the referee approaches Ritchie to inform him that as it appears that Ash is not going to turn up he is to be disqualified and Ritchie will win the match by default, but Ritchie begs the referee to wait. Ritchie tells the referee that he and Ash promised each other a great battle and that Ash must have a good reason for not being there but he is certain that his new friend will turn up. The referee, seeing that Ritchie is desperate that Ash not be disqualified, agrees to give Ash ten more minutes. Misty, Brock, {{Delia}} and {{an|Professor Oak}} are beginning to worry, but are proud of Ritchie. Delia and Professor Oak note that Ash certainly seems to choose his friends well.

The ten minutes pass and there's still no sign of Ash. By now the referee has had enough and is about to disqualify Ash and award the match to Ritchie when suddenly Ash appears overhead in the Meowth balloon, certainly making quite an entrance. Ash's friends are very relieved, while Delia shouts at her son to apologize for keeping everyone waiting while Professor Oak tries to calm her down. Unfortunately Pidgeotto is exhausted from flying the entire Balloon to the stadium and won't be able to participate in the match, but Ash thanks it for all its effort.

The battle between Ash and Ritchie finally begins with Ash using Squirtle and Ritchie using {{DL|Ritchie|Happy}}. Happy defeats Squirtle easily with {{m|Sleep Powder}}, and the ringer counts this as an [[fainting|elimination]]. Ash is truly surprised to see that Pikachu has enough energy to battle. Pikachu is at a disadvantage due to his lack of energy, but wins by putting the rest of his power into one Thunderbolt. Ritchie sends out [[Zippo]], who uses multiple {{m|Flamethrower}}s that Pikachu dodges. Pikachu is finally completely out of energy, and Zippo uses {{m|Tackle}}, finally beating Pikachu. Ash is left with only one Pokémon to use. Pidgeotto is too tired out, and Bulbasaur will be at a disadvantage against a {{type|Fire}}. Ash then realizes he only has one choice, and it's a very risky one. He uses this one choice and sends out the disobedient {{AP|Charizard}}. Everyone is shocked by Ash's choice, especially Brock and Misty, but to their surprise, Charizard battles after he is almost hit by Zippo's Flamethrower, by shooting a Flamethrower of his own. Ritchie recalls Zippo, which immediately eliminates him. Ritchie sends out [[Sparky]], who is ready for anything. Charizard, however, stomps on the ground twice, then uses his wings to create a strong wind that pushes back Sparky, but takes a nap, and even after Ash begins to beg, he doesn't budge, and is eliminated, giving Ritchie the victory. Ash is very sad, but calms down and congratulates Ritchie, showing they still have a true friendship.

== Major events ==
* Ash battles [[Ritchie]] and loses, ending his session in the [[Pokémon League]].
* [[Ash's Pikachu]] is revealed to know {{m|Double-Edge}}.
{{animeevents}}
=== Debuts ===

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Ritchie]]
* {{Delia}}
* {{an|Professor Oak}}
* Referee

=== Pokémon ===
[[Who’s That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Aerodactyl}} (''US and international''), {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Sparky|Leon]]) (''Japan'')

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togetic}})
* {{p|Pidgeotto}} ({{OP|Ash|Pidgeot}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
* {{p|Charizard}} ({{OP|Ash|Charizard}})
* {{p|Squirtle}} ({{OP|Ash|Squirtle}})
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})
* {{p|Chansey}} ({{OP|Nurse Joy|Chansey}})
* {{p|Charmander}} ([[Zippo|Ritchie's]]; nicknamed "Zippo")
* {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Sparky|Ritchie's]]; nicknamed "Sparky")
* {{p|Butterfree}} ([[Ritchie#Happy|Ritchie's]]; nicknamed "Happy")
* {{p|Magikarp}} ([[Pokémon League]]'s)

== Trivia ==
* Jessie, though through the voice changer, calls Misty by name.
* This is the only episode where {{AP|Pikachu}} has used {{m|Double-Edge}}.
** Although Pikachu later learns [[Volt Tackle]], which could be considered the electric-type version of Double-Edge.
* The book ''[[Charizard, Go!]]'' is based on this episode.
* Brock states that Charizard may have considered Zippo a challenge as a fellow fire type, but refused to face Sparky because it considered him less of a challenge. Contrary to this statement, Sparky would have had a type advantage over Charizard (Electric Vs. Flying), whereas Zippo had a type (Fire vs. Fire/Flying) and level disadvantage against Charizard.

=== Errors ===
* In the English dub both Professor Oak and Brock refer to Charmander as a "Flame-type" when it's actually a {{type2|Fire}}.
* Squirtle is ruled unable to battle after it is put to {{Status|sleep}} by [[Ritchie#Pokémon|Happy]], despite the fact that both in the games and in the anime, sleeping Pokémon are still considered able to battle until they are knocked out.

=== Dub edits ===

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Talk:Pokémon Dream World

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Legionaireb: /* Eeveelution */

Talk:Kanto Pokérap

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Legionaireb: /* Bare Naked Ladies reference */ new section

==Different Versions==
I think there should be articles for [[Pokérap GS]] and [[Hoenn Pokérap]]. And here there should be a list of the languages that it had been dubbed in. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 02:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:Take a look at your links. They're blue. This means we already have articles about the other two Pokéraps. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::*Late reply* -.- I know that when they're blue there is an article, but whenever I typed in pokerap gs nothing came up. It should redirect to Pokérap GS, which I'm doing now. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 18:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

== The Indigo League PokéRap has 6 versions ==

Apart from the full version of the PokéRap, there is one version for each day of the week. The Monday version lists 32 [[Pokémon]] from [[Electrode]] to [[Wigglytuff]], the Tuesday version lists 32 more Pokémon from [[Zubat]] to [[Pikachu]], the Wednesday version lists 32 more Pokémon from [[Alakazam]] to [[Hitmonchan]], the Thursday version lists 30 more Pokémon from [[Articuno]] to [[Magmar]], and the Friday version lists the final 24 Pokémon on the list, [[Sandslash]] to [[Arbok]]. When they dubbed [[EP035]], it was paired with the Friday PokéRap, but it was banned and replaced with a repeat of [[EP005]], [[EP010]], [[EP015]], [[EP020]], [[EP025]], or [[EP030]].-[[User:Hitmonlee|Hitmonlee]] 15:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Before I do anything ==

Would it hurt if I separate this article into two, This one stays, the other will just be an Article on what is a Pokérap, Also change the name of this article, If possible.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
: Of course renaming this article would involve moving it. --[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Too bad pplz it has been done. Like it or lick it.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 15:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== Bare Naked Ladies reference ==

I added the Bare Naked Ladies reference to the Trivia section, but I don't recall how to create an outside link to a Wikipedia page. Could someone take care of that for me please? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 20:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Kanto Pokérap

2011-01-26T20:43:38Z

Legionaireb: Added Bare Naked Ladies reference.

The '''Kanto Pokérap''' was the first [[Pokérap]] to debut in the [[Pokémon anime]].

The Pokérap contains the first [[:Category:Generation I Pokémon|150]] {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that existed at the time. Two verses would be played at the end of an episode, and by the end of a five-day week, all the verses would have been sung. A full version of the Pokérap is available on part one of the season one DVD box set, as well as the first seven volumes of the [[Kanto]] VHS and DVD sets, released back in 1999-2000. Beginning with the eighth volume, the Pokérap was no longer available.

It is available on three different soundtracks: [[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]], [[Pokémon X]] and the [[movie 9 bonus CD]].

==Full lyrics==
<ab>''OK, guys, we gotta rap some Pokémon.
You just do the singing. I'll take care of the hard part.
Let's get it on!

I want to be the best
there ever was.
To beat all the rest, yeah,
that's my cause.

{{p|Electrode}}, {{p|Diglett}}, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Mankey}}
{{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Fearow}}, {{p|Pidgey}}
{{p|Seaking}}, {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Dragonite}}, {{p|Gastly}}
{{p|Ponyta}}, {{p|Vaporeon}}, {{p|Poliwrath}}, {{p|Butterfree}}

Catch 'em, catch 'em, [[gotta catch 'em all]],
Pokémon!

I'll search across the land,
look far and wide.
Release from my hand
the power that's inside.

{{p|Venomoth}}, {{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Nidorino}}, {{p|Golduck}}
{{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Grimer}}, {{p|Victreebel}}, {{p|Moltres}}
{{p|Nidoking}}, {{p|Farfetch'd}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}
{{p|Kingler}}, {{p|Rhyhorn}}, {{p|Clefable}}, {{p|Wigglytuff}}

Catch 'em, catch 'em, gotta catch 'em all,
Gotta catch 'em all, Pokémon!

{{p|Zubat}}, {{p|Primeape}}, {{p|Meowth}}, {{p|Onix}}
{{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Rapidash}}, {{p|Magneton}}, {{p|Snorlax}}
{{p|Gengar}}, {{p|Tangela}}, {{p|Goldeen}}, {{p|Spearow}}
{{p|Weezing}}, {{p|Seel}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Slowbro}}

Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all, yeah!
Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all, yeah!
Gotta catch 'em all, Pokémon! Ow!

{{p|Kabuto}}, {{p|Persian}}, {{p|Paras}}, {{p|Horsea}}
{{p|Raticate}}, {{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Weepinbell}}
{{p|Ditto}}, {{p|Cloyster}}, {{p|Caterpie}}, {{p|Sandshrew}}
{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, {{p|Golem}}, {{p|Pikachu}}

At least 150 or more to see.
To be a [[Pokémon master]] is my destiny.

{{p|Alakazam}}, {{p|Doduo}}, {{p|Venonat}}, {{p|Machoke}}
{{p|Kangaskhan}}, {{p|Hypno}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, {{p|Flareon}}
{{p|Blastoise}}, {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Oddish}}, {{p|Drowzee}}
{{p|Raichu}}, {{p|Nidoqueen}}, {{p|Bellsprout}}, {{p|Starmie}}

Woo! We're at the halfway point, doing great so far.
We? What's all this "we" stuff? I'm doing all the hard work!
Breaktime's over, here we go!

{{p|Metapod}}, {{p|Marowak}}, {{p|Kakuna}}, {{p|Clefairy}}
{{p|Dodrio}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Vileplume}}, {{p|Krabby}}
{{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Tauros}}, {{p|Weedle}}, {{p|Nidoran♀}}
{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Shellder}}, {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}

Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all, yeah!
Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all, yeah!

{{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Nidorina}}, {{p|Beedrill}}
{{p|Haunter}}, {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Chansey}} (Pokémon!)
{{p|Parasect}}, {{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Muk}}, {{p|Dewgong}}
{{p|Pidgeotto}}, {{p|Lapras}}, {{p|Vulpix}}, {{p|Rhydon}}

At least 150 or more to see.
To be a [[Pokémon master]] is my destiny.

{{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Machamp}}, {{p|Pinsir}}, {{p|Koffing}}
{{p|Dugtrio}}, {{p|Golbat}}, {{p|Staryu}}, {{p|Magikarp}}
{{p|Ninetales}}, {{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Omastar}}
{{p|Scyther}}, {{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Magmar}}

Whoa, catch your breath man. Shake out those lips.
It's downhill from here, just 24 more to go.
Now it gets tricky so listen real good!

{{p|Sandslash}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Arcanine}}
{{p|Eevee}}, {{p|Exeggutor}}, {{p|Kabutops}}, {{p|Zapdos}}
{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Cubone}}
{{p|Graveler}}, {{p|Voltorb}}, {{p|Gloom}} - We're almost home!

Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all, yeow!
Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all, huhh!
Gotta catch 'em all, Pokémon! (yeeaahh!!)

{{p|Charmeleon}}, {{p|Wartortle}}
{{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Tentacruel}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}
{{p|Omanyte}}, {{p|Slowpoke}}
{{p|Pidgeot}}, {{p|Arbok}} - That's all, folks!

Catch 'em, catch 'em, gotta catch 'em all (oowww)
Gotta catch 'em all, Pokémon
Catch 'em, catch 'em, gotta catch 'em all (oowww)
Gotta catch 'em all, Pokémon
Catch 'em, catch 'em, gotta catch 'em all
Gotta catch 'em all... Pokémon!''</ab>

== Credits ==
* Lead vocals: James "D Train" Williams, Babi Floyd
* BG vocals: John Loeffler, Louis Cortelezzi, Ken Cummings, James "D Train" Williams
* Co-produced and arranged by John Siegler

==The Legend of Dratini==
An interesting point of note is that several scenes of Pokémon from the original Pokérap were taken from [[EP035|one]] of the [[banned episodes]] of the anime. These include Rhyhorn, Tauros, Dratini and Dragonair. In addition, on the version aired on TV, one of the scenes shown is {{an|Misty}} catching a Gyarados with her fishing line, which was also from the banned episode. These scenes seem to suggest that the episode may have been dubbed, but banned before airing.

==Trivia==
*The five split segments were placed into episodes based on their ''Japanese'' airing order. This caused problems during the show's time in first-run syndication; [[EP019]] aired the "Thursday" segment despite falling into the Wednesday slot in the syndication cycles due to [[EP018]] being skipped, with [[EP036]] and [[EP039]] airing the "Monday" and "Thursday" segments respectively despite falling into Thursday and Monday in the cycles due to the loss of [[EP035]] and [[EP038]]. No attempt was ever made to correct this.
**Had the entire first season aired in syndication, the last four episodes of the first season would have been bumped back a whole week in the syndication cycles due to [[EP052]] and [[EP053]] being moved to the start of the second season in the dub, thus somewhat correcting the above problem due to the four episodes coming afterwards having the segments that corresponded to what would have been their days of the week in the cycle.
*If one rearranges the Pokérap so all the Pokémon are in numerical order, {{p|Wigglytuff}}, {{p|Zubat}}, and {{p|Magmar}} will stay in the same place.
*The {{p|Kabuto}} shown in the Pokérap was not a real Kabuto, it was in fact [[Bill]] in a Kabuto costume.
*{{p|Mew}} is the only Pokémon from [[Generation I]] that is not included.
*A verse of the Pokérap (beginning with [[Articuno]]) was sung by the band Bare Naked Ladies in a Kids WB promo. However, the band members mispronounced [[Muk]] as 'mook.'

===Errors===
[[File:Pokerap error1.jpg|thumb|220px|Poliwag is shown instead of Poliwrath.]]

* In the VHS and DVD versions of the Pokérap, when {{p|Poliwrath}} is mentioned, {{p|Poliwag}}'s picture is shown. This is also true of its first few appearances in the TV Pokérap version. In a similar situation, when {{p|Graveler}} was mentioned, {{p|Geodude}}'s picture was shown. Both of these errors were eventually corrected, although they still appeared in foreign language versions of early episodes.
* Several Pokémon had their names mispronounced, including {{p|Pidgeot}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Vaporeon}}, {{p|Moltres}} and {{p|Growlithe}}.
* {{p|Lickitung}}'s name was spelled ''Likitung'' instead of ''Lickitung''.
* In the German version of the Pokérap, {{p|Krabby}}'s image is shown, but {{p|Hypno}}'s name is shown above. When Kakuna's picture is shown, it says Hornliu ({{p|Weedle}}).
** Also in the German Pokérap, {{p|Lapras}} is pronounced {{p|Paras}}.

{{Pokerap}}
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Talk:M02

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Legionaireb: Commented on the size of the legendary birds

== Mew? ==

There's a small cameo of Mew. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjTc-XXKLyw&feature=related at 8:11 [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 21:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

U have a good eye! I found it too!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Huh? I can't see it... Are you talking about that pink thing standing with all the Pokémon at the left? Because if so, it's poor quality but it looks more like a Jigglypuff. Did I miss something? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 21:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and the head shape can't be a Jiggly--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it's too big to be Mew. This video is very low quality, if someone could look on the DVD maybe it would clarify it. But I really doubt a Mew cameo would go unnoticed for almost a decade... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 21:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

No it definitely is Mew--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry guys, its Jiggly. I have it on tape. plus, its to big to be Mew! and look at those eyes! [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 22:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

NO, look @ the LEFT Side. That head can't b Jigglypuff's!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Kuki, if a guy with a tape says it's Jiggly, than it's Jiggly. Surely he didn't just MISS the left one. It definitely looks like Jiggly to me. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The pink @ the right is Jiggly--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:I know. They both are. This argument is silly. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 22:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Pause it. Look @ the head ahapre of the left pink Poké. Get bak to me--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah... I forgot to specify specifically where it was. Like Kuki said, it's on the left of the screen, RIGHT next to the Venusaur. [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh. When you say low-quality, you ''mean'' low-quality.
::Anyway, I saw a Cubone that could probably be mistaken for Mew. At least, at that resolution. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Martonimos has a point. And Mew can move around in the air, so y would it b standing with Pokémon who can't?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:An easter egg, I'm assuming. [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 23:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

::I ''know'' which one you meant, Rodyn. It's still a Jiggly. Not a Mew. They both are. I'm repeating myself here. And Kuki, don't change other people's comments, even if they're badly worded. This isn't the first time you're doing this. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 23:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure they're talking about the thing I think is Cubone, man.
:::By the way, I assume you're talking about what happens around 8:10 in that video (so nobody else has to watch the whole frakkin' thing to find it)? And I'd also like to add that there are two of the Cubone/Mew thing; one on the left near Venasaur, and one on the right near Parasect, nearly hidden by the edge of the cliff. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, now that I've looked at it for about 5 minutes straight, I can see the round shape to it. Definitely a Jigglypuff. And here I thought I found some hidden easter egg that almost no one discovered... [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 23:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

But what about the Cubone/Mew?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:That's what I'm referring to. And I tossed out a lot of my movies, Pokémon ones included, a few months ago to clear space. So it's unlikely I'll be able to get to double-check first-hand. [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Its CUBONE! I just re-watched it on tape and paused it to look closeley. You can see it's little eye holes. sorry, it did look like Jiggly to me at first.. so CUBONE! [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 02:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:It is cubone.You can see the Skull and the eye holes[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
Itdefinitly isn't Mew. It is either Cubone or Jigglypuff. More likely Cubone, as it can't swim nor fly, unlike the other two.[[User:Nintendofan146B|Nintendofan146B]] 20:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I've got it paused right here and those things don't look anything like Jigglypuff to me. It couldn't be Mew, so it must be Cubone with only the head shown. Or maybe this person just added them. I'll have to look at my tape of it to be sure (too bad I won't visit my grandparents house where the tape is until the summer.)--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== ''Charizard'' ==

So, apparently it aired just before Charizard Chills. I don't remember Charizard being disobediant in the movie. Does this mean that Charizard cared more about the fate of the world than it cared about Ash (at least at the time), so it was willing to get off its lazy *** and help Ash get to Ice Island; or does it mean that they pulled a Mewtwo's Counterattack in Japan again - releasing the movie before where it actually belongs? For those who don't know what I mean, in Japan, Mewtwo Strikes Back was released prior to all the Mewtwo Cameos in the anime. Thus the link-ins with the Movie, scenes that we all saw before the movie came out, such as Gary losing to Mewtwo or Mewtwo destroying the Rocket HQ near Pallet Town, actually appeared in Japan after they appeared in the movie, thus pointing out that the movie's events happened at a later time than at the release episode in Japan.

What does this mean towards Revelation Lugia? Did the Japanese version spoil Charizard's obedience to Ash as seen in Charizard Chills, or was this simply a case of Charizard deciding that he's not apathetic enough to allow the world to die while he sleeps (hey, if Team Rocket was ready to help the Twerp, than I guess Charizard could too, if it meant he could sleep in a still existing world). What do you think? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

That makes since to me. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 21:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:What makes sense? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::''"...a case of Charizard deciding that he's not apathetic enough to allow the world to die while he sleeps (hey, if Team Rocket was ready to help the Twerp, than I guess Charizard could too, if it meant he could sleep in a still existing world)."''
That. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 00:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, it does make sense. I would tend to support that opinion, considering that Mewtwo Strikes Back is seemingly the only Movie released prior to its placing in the anime, and this is the only possible reference to it being after ''Charizard Chills''. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 05:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] and [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] here's why:

Point 1:
If you watch during the intro the trio decides to release their Pokemon for some fresh air before they reach their destination. This was ultimately a plot device to allow them to showcase the Pokemon, yet if you watch closely, when Ash releases Charizard he shoots a flame in all directions and Ash and Misty both freak out right before Ash recalls Charizard. This is a familiar scenario played out over and over again throughout the Anime prior to Charizard Chills. Frequently Ash would call Charizard, he would immediately shoot a flame thrower (often at Ash) then Ash would think twice and recall him.

Point 2:
Charizard has shown that he would do things that benefit Ash, if Charizard wants to. The most obvious example being defeating Magmar and enabling Ash to win the Volcano badge for the Indigo League. On top of that, as has been noted, all of the Pokemon were converging to try and help stop the world catastrophe if they could. I believe it is clear that it is for this reason that Charizard seems more helpful then would be expected prior to Charizard Chills.

Point 3:
I could be wrong on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Ash never once commands Charizard to do anything (at least not on screen). There are two points where Charizard preforms a helpful act:
1) Charizard is released simultaneously with Squirtle and Bulbasaur. All 3 of them (plus Pikachu) try to break Moltres free, but Ash never actually asked any of them to do anything but to "go".
2) The second act is pulling Ash's sleigh, where once again no command was given. Ash looks at the wrecked boat, then suddenly they are already moving quickly. Obviously Charizard must have been cooperative or Ash would have never gotten a rope tied around him, but still we never directly see him "obeying Ash" which is what Charizard never once did prior to Charizard Chills.

Based on these 3 points there is no doubt in my mind that this move takes place prior to Charizard Chills and since it was released between the episodes Bound For Trouble and Charizard Chills that this should be it's place in the time line. ~[[User:Dinner4JC|Dinner4JC]] 13:30, 03 November 2008 (UTC)

==Corsola==

Hello, I think I saw a Corsola in this movie. During the segment involving "The Guardian's Song", there is a part where all the Pokemon are swimming under the Beast of the Sea, and I thought I saw a Corsola on the Gyrados' head, can anyone clarify it for me? - {{u|Robbie Newton}}
:Post your talk sections at the bottom of the list. Also, timestamp your posts with the four tildes (~), rather than just putting your username. That said, I highly doubt that Corsola was in the movie, and you probably had a similar moment to where I ''thought'' I saw Delibird in ''Holiday Hi-Jinx.'' It's easy to mistake watching back at old movies and episodes after you've seen the new Pokémon, because your may mind associate the new Pokémon in the same grouping as the old. That said, GenII Pokémon did start showing in the VERY FIRST EPISODE, so it is POSSIBLE, though IMPROBABLE, that you saw right. Good luck on the confirmation. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
: OK, watched it on DVD and I was mistaken, it was just the way they had drawn the fin on top of Gyarados' head. [[User:RobbieNewton|RobbieNewton]] 14:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon thee Movie 2000 ==

Where i live it's called "Pokemon the Movie 2000" Should that be mentioned? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC))
:The alternate title is mentioned...in the first line of the article. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 02:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu/ Latias ==

''Pikachu becomes the second Pokémon to steal Ash's hat in the film, and Ash behaves similarly to the way he did in Primeape Goes Bananas. '''However, when Latias steals his hat in Pokémon Heroes, Ash behaves in a more mature and friendly manner.''''' Does this last statement really belong here? This is three movies before Pokémon Heroes takes place! [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== error ==

"Ash could have given Professor Oak the GS Ball... However, it is likely that this was done on purpose" I think this is not really an error. if i remember correctly, when ash is with professor oak, he does not have his bag with him. so the gs ball might be in his bag so he could not give it. alternatively, professor oak did not ask for the gs ball too... he left before ash can give it to him. so i think the gs ball is in the bag and professor oak does not want to wait for him to get it? just my opinion -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Something which may be considered an error is the fact that the 3 Legendary Birds, as they appear in this movie, are approximately 3 times their actual size. Though Lugia seems to be the right size (about 17 feet long) or slightly smaller (compared to Ash), Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres are shown to be about the same size as Lugia, even though their pokedex entries list them as 5'7", 5'3", and 6'7" respectively. Though this may be a factor of why Lawrence III's computer called them 'unique,' it is not acurate to the pokedex or other depictions of the Legendary Birds. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 20:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:DP074

2010-03-13T03:23:58Z

Legionaireb: replied to the statement

== Pikachu + Thuderstone= Raichu ==

Uh....I saw a preview of this episode...For some reason Ash shows Pikachu a Thuderstone...Is Ash thinking about evolving his Pika????[[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 00:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:It might be the other Pikachu. (Pichu --> Pikachu) [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 00:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::i say yes, it is his pikachu[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]
:::Doubt it. Pikachu is the icon of pokemon and has most merchandise. Evolving pikachu would be dumb. Don't get me wrong, I love raichu, but pikachu is too popular to evolve. Ash will ask if pikachu wants to evolve, and it'll say no like in [[EP013]] -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
::::I doubt this will happen, but, maybe pikachu will evolve but TR gets a de-evoloution machine and raichu accidentally falls inside nd turns back into a pikachu. [[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 12:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't ''possibly'' have seen this situation before! It defiately wouldn't have been the storyline for [[EP014|Electric Shock Showdown]], would it! [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 13:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu CANT evolve!!!!!'''[[Image:Ani417MS.gif]][[User:Pachirisulover12|P]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|L]][[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Pachirisulover12/Trade Shop|1]][[User:Pachirisulover12/Discharge Gym|2]][[Image:Ani181MS.gif]]''' 22:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu will never evolve otherwise people won't watch the show. Come on people! He's the mascot of the whole Pokémon franchise because of he's history with Ash!

I would like to see his Pikachu finnally (sp?) evolve.. It took him alot of seasons. And Pikachu is seen too much , and I like Raichu better. (Also sign your post. :P)
:* [[User:Evil Sonic|Evey]] [[Image:Ani134MS.gif]][[User talk:Evil Sonic|☆]] 12:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::Pikachu is confirmed to still be a Pikachu in movie 11. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Technically, we don't know when the 11th movie takes place yet, for all we know, it took place before Staravia even learned Brave Bird XD [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 09:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
::::The movies always take place at the current point in the Japanese airings, which in this case is after Gligar evolves and Swinub is caught. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:Pikachu shouldn't be evolved! I can't believe the ep. is showin today! [[User:AKgirl|AK]][[User talk:AKgirl|girl]]23:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5NPbHcJDk&feature=user OH PIKACHU TOTALLY EVOLVES]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

IT ISN'T TRUE!! TIME TRAVELING ECHIDNA IS JUST TRYING TO TRICK U!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki (w/ a Broken Diamond)]] 02:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Ssh! Pretend you don't know...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::Am not, its ''toatally'' real. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I know it's real but the Raichu is NOT Ash's!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki (w/ a Broken Diamond)]] 04:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Party pooper. ): [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::lol•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 04:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:: -_-'........... You people are nuts. [[User:Force Fire| Force Fire]]
:::LMAO I KNOW•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 04:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Nuts, you call us nuts? We're hardly nuts compared to the rest of Bulbagarden. :P [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Tina's really nuts•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 04:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Quite correct. Now, *stretches out leather whip* Talk page spam is starting to bother me, so everyone be quiet. >:( [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::: I said 'ALL'. Which means everyone....
:::::::Giving ForceFire a mirror... LOOK•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 04:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I know, Good look isn't it.... [[User:Force Fire| Force Fire]]
:::::::::... Just shut up like Tina said•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 04:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Yes, Yes I'll STFU already. I'm just saying that Pikachu won't (And never will evolve) evolve.

== Heartbeat? ==
Is this the first episode in which the heart beat of a pokemon is shown? Is it also the first episode to use a defibrillator? --[[User:chrisriley64|Chrisriley64]]

:I don't recall if this is the first time a Pokemon's heartbeat is ''shown'', but in the episode [[A Chansey Operation]] you briefly hear [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu's]] heartbeat. Shortly before or after this, you see the doctor use a defibrillator on Pikachu in order to boost his energy level. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 03:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Textless picture... ==

For some reason MediaConverter refuses to work for me. Anyone else think they can get a textless picture? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== Rocket thunderstone ==

Is it just me or does it seem that Team Rockets possession of the thunderstone will come up later on? Prehaps one of them will be getting a jolteon. Furthermore, is this TR's first successful theft and if so, should it be noted? [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 14:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:We can't say what will happen with the Thunderstone until it happens. This could be setting up one of them obtaining a Jolteon but it might also be used some other way or go unmentioned for another 500 episodes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 02:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==
Was this the first episode in the entire series to use the term "noob"? I don't think I've heard it (used in the dub at least) any other time, which is kind of ironic, since [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|the game]] used it sometimes.
*speaking of trivia, i removed the "possible" explaination for editing out Misty's appearance in the flashback due to there being holes in it. For example, barely any of the new kids remembered Ash's Lt. Surge battle in and of itself, plus they certainly wouldn't remember Ash's Original Series outfit, either. Heck, they gave Caterpie an appearance in [[DP080|a later episode]] despite only appearing in non-flashback form in two episodes, when most new kids wouldn't even know that Ash had a butterfree, much less that it evolved into from a Caterpie under his care. Heck, May's appearance ALSO brings further holes into that theory since up to that point, she was never referenced in D/P, and most newcomers to the D/P franchise would most likely have never heard of her. As for her not doing much in that episode, Brock didn't do much in that episode either (I mean, the only thing he did in that episode is his telling Ash how to beat Lt. Surge.), and I'm pretty sure HE appeared in the flashback sequence as well. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== I'm Confused ==

What is the exact reason why defibrillation was a bad thing to do with Pikachu? I'm no medical expert but I've seen television cases of the same exact thing and the doctors used the defibrillator on the patient. I've seen it being used when the patient's heart rate speeds up quickly, and when there is no heart rate. And since 148 is Pikachu's apparent normal heart rate. How is it wrong to use the defibrillator when it drops to 112. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

== Any stone in particular? ==

''Electric Shock Showdown premiered over a decade before this episode. The Thunderstone is not mentioned at any point between the two episodes.'' Is this reffering to Ash Thunderstone or any thunderstone at all cause it is mentioned in [[EP040]] when Ash is being offered a Thunderstone to evolve Pikachu, shoulden't this be mentioned then if thats the case? [[User:MagPerior|MagPerior]] 19:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:Ash's Thunderstone.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you for clearing that up, i wasent sure since it isnt mentioned in the trivia above and so on.[[User:MagPerior|MagPerior]] 20:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Indigo Plateau

2010-02-22T16:37:08Z

Legionaireb: Fixed a link

==Items?==

This article clearly isn't finished yet there is not "the article is a stub and needs expanding" mark on it. It is missing whgat items are sold here. I can't remember what items are there but i swear in Gen I they sold max revives here and i don't think they do in Gen III. Someone with better page skills should look into this... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 16:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just got here in FireRed, and can put the information up by the end of the day. We'll still need Gen I and II though. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== G2 Champion Room ==
[[a:File:G2 Champion Room.PNG]]. I uploaded an image of the room, but I'm not sure how to use the coding the page uses for displaying the comparative images. So, if someone else could add it? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 22:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:And now the image doesn't exist, what the hell is going on? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::It was deleted because it was redirected [[a:G2 Champion Room.png|here]].--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 18:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:::It's not there either. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::That's because Cold forgot the "File" prefix. Try [[a:File:G2 Champion Room.png|this one]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Sorry, I just don't understand how this...cross-archiving stuff works. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:I moved it because lowercase extensions are preferred. .png is better than .PNG. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

== Real world correlation ==

[[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|Other pages]] talk about the relationship between Kanto in the Pokemon world and the Kanto region in Japan, but I have not seen anyone else comment on this point: given the relationships between the areas, I believe the Indigo Plateau would roughly correspond to Mt. Fuji.

Talk:Indigo Plateau

2010-02-22T16:36:19Z

Legionaireb: /* Real world correlation */ new section

==Items?==

This article clearly isn't finished yet there is not "the article is a stub and needs expanding" mark on it. It is missing whgat items are sold here. I can't remember what items are there but i swear in Gen I they sold max revives here and i don't think they do in Gen III. Someone with better page skills should look into this... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 16:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just got here in FireRed, and can put the information up by the end of the day. We'll still need Gen I and II though. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== G2 Champion Room ==
[[a:File:G2 Champion Room.PNG]]. I uploaded an image of the room, but I'm not sure how to use the coding the page uses for displaying the comparative images. So, if someone else could add it? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 22:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:And now the image doesn't exist, what the hell is going on? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::It was deleted because it was redirected [[a:G2 Champion Room.png|here]].--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 18:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:::It's not there either. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::That's because Cold forgot the "File" prefix. Try [[a:File:G2 Champion Room.png|this one]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Sorry, I just don't understand how this...cross-archiving stuff works. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:I moved it because lowercase extensions are preferred. .png is better than .PNG. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

== Real world correlation ==

[[Other pages|Pokémon world in relation to the real world]] talk about the relationship between Kanto in the Pokemon world and the Kanto region in Japan, but I have not seen anyone else comment on this point: given the relationships between the areas, I believe the Indigo Plateau would roughly correspond to Mt. Fuji.

Talk:AG097

2009-08-06T18:16:37Z

Legionaireb: /* Mudkip Error */ new section

Is the Next Episode Preview heading really necessary? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]]

== Mudkip Error ==

Though the Error is correct if you only consider Pokemon type, if you also consider move set, Mudkip ''is'' more effective, since it learns Mud Slap, a ground type attack, very early on. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 18:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Elite Four

2009-08-06T05:53:46Z

Legionaireb: Altered Lorelei name note to give reason for change

The '''Elite Four''' (Japanese: {{tt|'''四天王'''|shitennō}} ''{{wp|Four Heavenly Kings}}'') are four [[Pokémon Trainer]]s who are regarded as the toughest in their [[region]]al [[Pokémon League]], short of [[League Champion]]. Those who challenge the Elite Four must have achieved all eight [[Badge]]s from that region and face all four and the current Champion consecutively without losing to any of them.

One group resides on [[Indigo Plateau]] in [[Kanto]], and are considered the best trainers in both Kanto and [[Johto]]; another is in [[Ever Grande City]] in [[Hoenn]]; and the last known one is in the unnamed {{si|Pokémon League}} in [[Sinnoh]].

==Kanto/Johto Elite Four==
===Generation I and III===
In the [[Generation I]] {{pkmn|games}} {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, and their [[Generation III]] [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remakes]], the Elite Four at the [[Indigo Plateau]] consists of:

{| align="center" style="background: #6A12AB; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 4px solid #6A12AB;" colspan=8 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! rowspan="3" style="background: #CCBBFF; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|6A12AB|Member Japanese}}
! rowspan="3" style="background: #CCBBFF;" | {{color2|6A12AB|Elemental type|Type}}
! colspan="6" style="background: #CCBBFF; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|6A12AB|Party|Teams}}
|- style="background: #CCBBFF;"
! rowspan="2" | {{color2|6A12AB|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
! rowspan="2" | {{color2|6A12AB|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green}}
! rowspan="2" | {{color2|6A12AB|Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue}}
! rowspan="2" | {{color2|6A12AB|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
! colspan="2" | {{color2|6A12AB|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed and LeafGreen}}
|- style="background: #CCBBFF;"
! {{color2|6A12AB|Kanto|After Kanto}}
! {{color2|6A12AB|Sevii Islands|After Sevii}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ice color}}"
| [[Image:FL_Lorelei.png]] {{color2|{{ice color dark}}|Lorelei}} {{color|{{ice color dark}}|カンナ Canna}}
| {{tcolor|Ice|{{ice color dark}}}}
| colspan="5" | {{MS|087|Dewgong}}{{MS|091|Cloyster}}{{MS|080|Slowbro}} {{MS|124|Jynx}}{{MS|131|Lapras}}
| {{MS|087|Dewgong}}{{MS|091|Cloyster}}{{MS|221|Piloswine}} {{MS|124|Jynx}}{{MS|131|Lapras}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{fighting color}}"
| [[Image:FL_Bruno.png]] {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Bruno}} {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|シバ Shiba}}
| {{tcolor|Fighting|{{fighting color dark}}}}
| colspan="5" | {{MS|095|Onix}}{{MS|107|Hitmonchan}}{{MS|106|Hitmonlee}} {{MS|095|Onix}}{{MS|068|Machamp}}
| {{MS|208|Steelix}}{{MS|107|Hitmonchan}}{{MS|106|Hitmonlee}} {{MS|208|Steelix}}{{MS|068|Machamp}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ghost color}}"
| [[Image:FRLG_Agatha.png]] {{color2|{{ghost color dark}}|Agatha}} {{color|{{ghost color dark}}|キクコ Kikuko}}
| {{tcolor|Ghost|{{ghost color dark}}}}
| colspan="5" | {{MS|094|Gengar}}{{MS|042|Golbat}}{{MS|093|Haunter}} {{MS|024|Arbok}}{{MS|094|Gengar}}
| {{MS|094|Gengar}}{{MS|169|Crobat}}{{MS|200|Misdreavus}} {{MS|024|Arbok}}{{MS|094|Gengar}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{dragon color}}"
| [[Image:FL_Lance.png]] {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Lance}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|ワタル Wataru}}
| {{tcolor|Dragon|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| colspan="5" | {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|148|Dragonair}}{{MS|148|Dragonair}} {{MS|142|Aerodactyl}}{{MS|149|Dragonite}}
| {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|149|Dragonite}}{{MS|230|Kingdra}} {{MS|142|Aerodactyl}}{{MS|149|Dragonite}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{blue color light}}"
| rowspan="3" style="background:#{{blue color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[Image:FL_Blue.png]] {{color2|{{blue color dark}}|Pokémon Champion|Champion}} {{color2|{{blue color dark}}|Blue (game)|Blue}} {{color|{{blue color dark}}|グリーン Green}}
| rowspan="3" style="background:#{{blue color light}};" | {{color|{{blue color dark}}|Various}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{blue color light}};" | {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|112|Rhydon}} {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|059|Arcanine}}{{MS|003|Venusaur}}
| {{MS|028|Sandslash}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}} {{MS|091|Cloyster}}{{MS|038|Ninetales}}{{MS|135|Jolteon}}
| {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|112|Rhydon}} {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|059|Arcanine}}{{MS|003|Blastoise}}
| {{MS|214|Heracross}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|248|Tyranitar}} {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|059|Arcanine}}{{MS|003|Venusaur}}
|- style="background:#{{blue color light}}"
| colspan="3" | {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|112|Rhydon}} {{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|006|Charizard}}
| {{MS|028|Sandslash}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}} {{MS|082|Magneton}}{{MS|091|Cloyster}}{{MS|136|Flareon}}
| {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|112|Rhydon}} {{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|006|Charizard}}
| {{MS|214|Heracross}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|248|Tyranitar}} {{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|006|Charizard}}
|- style="background:#{{blue color light}}"
| colspan="3" | {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|112|Rhydon}} {{MS|059|Arcanine}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|009|Blastoise}}
| {{MS|028|Sandslash}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}} {{MS|038|Ninetales}}{{MS|082|Magneton}}{{MS|134|Vaporeon}}
| {{MS|018|Pidgeot}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|112|Rhydon}} {{MS|059|Arcanine}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|009|Blastoise}}
| {{MS|214|Heracross}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|248|Tyranitar}} {{MS|059|Arcanine}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|009|Blastoise}}
|}
{{-}}

===Generation II and IV===
In [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]], the Elite Four at the [[Indigo Plateau]] consists of:
{| align="center" style="background: #00647f; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 4px solid #00647f;" colspan=8 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! style="background: #1cb0d9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|00647f|Member Japanese}}
! style="background: #1cb0d9;" | {{color2|00647f|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #1cb0d9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|00647f|Party|Teams}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{psychic color}}"
| [[Image:WillGSCsprite.png]] {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Will}} {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|イツキ Itsuki}}
| {{tcolor|Psychic|{{psychic color dark}}}}
| {{MS|178|Xatu}}{{MS|103|Exeggutor}}{{MS|080|Slowbro}} {{MS|124|Jynx}}{{MS|178|Xatu}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{poison color}}"
| [[Image:KogaGSCsprite.png]] {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Koga}} {{color|{{poison color dark}}|キョウ Kyō}}
| {{tcolor|Poison|{{poison color dark}}}}
| {{MS|168|Ariados}}{{MS|205|Forretress}}{{MS|089|Muk}} {{MS|049|Venomoth}}{{MS|169|Crobat}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{fighting color}}"
| [[Image:BrunoGSCsprite.gif]] {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Bruno}} {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|シバ Shiba}}
| {{tcolor|Fighting|{{fighting color dark}}}}
| {{MS|237|Hitmontop}}{{MS|107|Hitmonchan}}{{MS|106|Hitmonlee}} {{MS|095|Onix}}{{MS|068|Machamp}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{dark color}}"
| [[Image:GSC Karen.gif]] {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Karen}} {{color|{{dark color dark}}|カリン Karin}}
| {{tcolor|Dark|{{dark color dark}}}}
| {{MS|197|Umbreon}}{{MS|045|Vileplume}}{{MS|198|Murkrow}} {{MS|094|Gengar}}{{MS|229|Houndoom}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[Image:LanceGSCsprite.png]] {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Pokémon Champion|Champion}} {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Lance}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|ワタル Wataru}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}};" | {{tcolor|Dragon|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|149|Dragonite}}{{MS|142|Aerodactyl}} {{MS|149|Dragonite}}{{MS|006|Charizard}}{{MS|149|Dragonite}}
|} 

==Hoenn Elite Four==
===Generation III===
In [[Generation III]], the Elite Four in [[Ever Grande City]] consists of:
{| align="center" style="background: #004d00; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 4px solid #004d00;" colspan=8 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! rowspan="2" style="background: #4fe34f; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|004d00|Member Japanese}}
! rowspan="2" style="background: #4fe34f;" | {{color2|004d00|Elemental type|Type}}
! colspan="3" style="background: #4fe34f; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|004d00|Party|Teams}}
|-style="background: #4fe34f;"
! {{color2|004d00|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby}}
! {{color2|004d00|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Sapphire}}
! {{color2|004d00|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{dark color}}"
| [[Image:E Sidney.png]] {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Sidney}} {{color|{{dark color dark}}|カゲツ Kagetsu}}
| {{tcolor|Dark|{{dark color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" | {{MS|262|Mightyena}}{{MS|275|Shiftry}}{{MS|332|Cacturne}} {{MS|319|Sharpedo}}{{MS|359|Absol}}
| {{MS|262|Mightyena}}{{MS|275|Shiftry}}{{MS|332|Cacturne}} {{MS|342|Crawdaunt}}{{MS|359|Absol}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ghost color light}}"
| [[Image:E Phoebe.png]] {{color2|{{ghost color dark}}|Phoebe}} {{color|{{ghost color dark}}|フヨウ Fuyō}}
| {{tcolor|Ghost|{{ghost color dark}}}}
| colspan="3" | {{MS|356|Dusclops}}{{MS|354|Banette}}{{MS|302|Sableye}} {{MS|354|Banette}}{{MS|356|Dusclops}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ice color}}"
| [[Image:E Glacia.png]] {{color2|{{ice color dark}}|Glacia}} {{color|{{ice color dark}}|プリム Prim}}
| {{tcolor|Ice|{{ice color dark}}}}
| colspan="3" | {{MS|362|Glalie}}{{MS|364|Sealeo}}{{MS|364|Sealeo}} {{MS|362|Glalie}}{{MS|365|Walrein}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{dragon color }}"
| [[Image:E Drake.png]] {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Drake (Elite Four)|Drake}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|ゲンジ Genji}}
| {{tcolor|Dragon|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" | {{MS|372|Shelgon}}{{MS|334|Altaria}}{{MS|330|Flygon}} {{MS|330|Flygon}}{{MS|373|Salamence}}
| {{MS|372|Shelgon}}{{MS|334|Altaria}}{{MS|230|Kingdra}} {{MS|330|Flygon}}{{MS|373|Salamence}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{steel color}};" | [[Image:RS Steven.png]] {{color2|{{steel color dark}}|Pokémon Champion|Champion}} {{color2|{{steel color dark}}|Steven Stone|Steven}} {{color|{{steel color dark}}|ダイゴ Daigo}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}};" | {{tcolor|Steel|{{steel color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{MS|227|Skarmory}}{{MS|346|Cradily}}{{MS|344|Claydol}} {{MS|348|Armaldo}}{{MS|306|Aggron}}{{MS|376|Metagross}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}};" |
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{water color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[Image:E-Wallace.png]] {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Pokémon Champion|Champion}} {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Wallace}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|ミクリ Mikuri}}
| style="background:#{{water color}};" | {{tcolor|Water|{{water color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{water color}};" |
| style="background:#{{water color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{MS|321|Wailord}}{{MS|073|Tentacruel}}{{MS|272|Ludicolo}} {{MS|130|Gyarados}}{{MS|340|Whiscash}}{{MS|350|Milotic}}
|}
{{-}}

==Sinnoh Elite Four==
===Generation IV===
In [[Generation IV]], the Elite Four at the {{Si|Pokémon League}} consists of:
{| align="center" style="background: #47443a; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 4px solid #47443a;" colspan=8 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! rowspan="2" style="background: #9f9982; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|47443a|Member Japanese}}
! rowspan="2" style="background: #9f9982;" | {{color2|47443a|Elemental type|Type}}
! colspan="3" style="background: #9f9982; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|47443a|Party|Teams}}
|- style="background: #9F9982;"
! {{color2|47443a|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond}}
! {{color2|47443a|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pearl}}
! {{color2|47443a|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{bug color}}"
| [[Image:VSAaron.png]] {{color2|{{bug color dark}}|Aaron (Elite Four)|Aaron}} {{color|{{bug color dark}}|リョウ Ryou}}
| {{tcolor|Bug|{{bug color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" | {{MS|269|Dustox}}{{MS|214|Heracross}}{{MS|416|Vespiquen}} {{MS|267|Beautifly}}{{MS|452|Drapion}}
| {{MS|469|Yanmega}}{{MS|214|Heracross}}{{MS|416|Vespiquen}} {{MS|212|Scizor}}{{MS|452|Drapion}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ground color}}"
| [[Image:VSBertha.png]] {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Bertha}} {{color|{{ground color dark}}|キクノ Kikuno}}
| {{tcolor|Ground|{{ground color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" | {{MS|195|Quagsire}}{{MS|450|Hippowdon}}{{MS|185|Sudowoodo}} {{MS|340|Whiscash}}{{MS|076|Golem}}
| {{MS|472|Gliscor}}{{MS|450|Hippowdon}}{{MS|464|Rhyperior}} {{MS|340|Whiscash}}{{MS|076|Golem}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{fire color}}"
| [[Image:VSFlint.png]] {{color2|{{fire color dark}}|Flint (Elite Four)|Flint}} {{color|{{fire color dark}}|オーバ Ōba}}
| {{tcolor|Fire|{{fire color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" | {{MS|078|Rapidash}}{{MS|392|Infernape}}{{MS|208|Steelix}} {{MS|428|Lopunny}}{{MS|426|Drifblim}}
| {{MS|078|Rapidash}}{{MS|392|Infernape}}{{MS|229|Houndoom}} {{MS|136|Flareon}}{{MS|467|Magmortar}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{psychic color }}"
| align=center | [[Image:VSLucian.png]] {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Lucian}} {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|ゴヨウ Goyō}}
| align=center | {{tcolor|Psychic|{{psychic color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" | {{MS|122|Mr. Mime}}{{MS|203|Girafarig}}{{MS|308|Medicham}} {{MS|065|Alakazam}}{{MS|437|Bronzong}}
| {{MS|122|Mr. Mime}}{{MS|196|Espeon}}{{MS|065|Alakazam}} {{MS|475|Gallade}}{{MS|437|Bronzong}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{cynthia color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[Image:VSCynthia.png]] {{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Pokémon Champion|Champion}} {{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Cynthia}} {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|シロナ Shirona}}
| style="background:#{{cynthia color}};" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Various}}
| style="background:#{{cynthia color}};" colspan="2" | {{MS|442|Spiritomb}}{{MS|445|Garchomp}}{{MS|423|Gastrodon}} {{MS|350|Milotic}}{{MS|407|Roserade}}{{MS|448|Lucario}}
| style="background:#{{cynthia color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{MS|442|Spiritomb}}{{MS|445|Garchomp}}{{MS|468|Togekiss}} {{MS|350|Milotic}}{{MS|407|Roserade}}{{MS|448|Lucario}}
|} 

==In the anime==
[[Image:Sinnohelitefour.jpg|thumb|right|The Sinnoh Elite Four in the anime]]
{{Ash}} and {{ashfr|his friends}} often meet the members of the Elite Four, who then impart them with battle strategies. So far, Ash has only met the complete Kanto group, meeting [[Lorelei]] in ''[[EP099|The Mandarin Island Miss Match]]'' (named 'Prima' for purposes of lip-synch), [[Bruno]] in ''[[EP071|To Master the Onixpected]]'', [[Agatha]] in ''[[AG132|The Scheme Team]]'' and [[Lance]] in ''[[EP235|Talkin' 'Bout an Evolution]]''. Ash has also met [[Koga]] in ''[[EP032|The Ninja Poké-Showdown]]'', though merely for the [[Fuchsia Gym]] [[Badge]], [[Steven Stone|Steven]] in ''[[AG022|A Hole Lotta Trouble!]]'', {{EF|Drake}} in ''[[AG101|Vanity Affair]]'', [[Wallace]] in ''[[DP075|Our Cup Runneth Over!]]'', [[Lucian]] in ''[[DP035|An Elite Meet and Greet!]]'', [[Cynthia]] in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training!]]'' and {{EF|Aaron}} in ''[[DP099|A Trainer and Child Reunion!]]''.

It has been hinted by [[Lucian]] in ''[[DP035|An Elite Meet and Greet!]]'' that when a trainer wins their respective region's [[Pokémon League Conference|Conference Tournament]] that they can participate in the Elite Four Challenge, fighting the four members of that region's Elite Four, and then possibly the Champion as well.

==Trivia==
* As of [[Generation IV]], Champion [[Lance]] has the lowest average level, and Champion [[Cynthia]] has the highest average level in the player's first battle with them. Coincidentally, they are the only members of the Elite Four that Ash has encountered more than once, and appear as champions contemporaneously due to {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} occurring at the same time as {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.
*The levels of the Johto Elite Four are considerably the lowest of the Leagues, having levels under 50 (apart from [[Lance]]), while the [[Kanto]], [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] have levels higher than 50/60. This is due to the accessibility of Kanto after the defeat of the Elite Four.
* In Platinum, the highest-leveled Pokémon of Bertha, Flint, and Lucian ({{p|Rhyperior}}, {{p|Magmortar}}, and {{p|Gallade}} respectively) match the final Pokémon that the [[Sinis Trio]] uses from [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], in that same order.
* The Elite Four of Sinnoh are the only Elite Four whose names follow each other alphabetically, not counting Cynthia.
* The Sinnoh Elite Four is also the only Elite Four to not include a Dragon-type trainer, including the Champion (although [[Cynthia]] ''does'' use a single {{p|Garchomp}}). Since there is also no Dragon-type Gym Leader in Sinnoh either, it is the only region without a notable Dragon-type Trainer. However, prior to unlocking the [[National Dex]], the only Dragon Pokémon available is Garchomp and its evolutionary line. In Platinum, it would also include {{p|Altaria}}.
* Though multiple Trainers in the Elite Four use the same type as another Elite Four Trainer, only Fighting and Dragon have appeared multiple times used by the same Trainers (as Lance and Bruno are in the Elite Four of Kanto in all generations that they appeared in).

===In other languages===
*'''Chinese:''' 四天王 (''Sìtiānwáng'')
*'''French:''' ''Conseil 4''
*'''German:''' ''Top Vier''
*'''Italian:''' ''Superquattro''
*'''Korean:''' 사천왕 (''Sacheonwang'')
*'''Polish:''' ''Elitarna Czwórka''
*'''Portuguese:''' ''Elite dos Quatro''
*'''Spanish:''' ''Alto Mando''

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Legionaireb: Removed link to 'Bubble,' since this was obviously not the same as the pokemon attaack of the same name. More likely a Safeguard or Protect.

{{MovieInfobox|
|colorscheme=Kanto
|entitle=Mewtwo Strikes Back
|jatitle=ミュウツーの逆襲
|rotitle=Mewtwo's Counterattack
|poster=Movie1-poster.jpg
|jpprem=July 18, 1998
|usprem=November 10, 1999
|jpvid=
|usvid=March 21, 2000
|usrating=G
|ukrating=PG
|carating=PG
|qurating=?
|irrating=PG
|aurating=G
|nzrating=G
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|derating=6
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'''Pokémon the First Movie - Mewtwo Strikes Back''' (Japanese: '''ミュウツーの{{tt|逆襲|ぎゃくしゅう}}''' ''Mewtwo's Counterattack'', officially ''Mewtwo Strikes Back!'' in Japan) is the first Pokémon movie. It debuted in Japanese theaters on July 18, 1998, and then made its way to North American theaters on November 10, 1999.

''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' was shown with the [[Pikachu Shorts|Pikachu short]] movie ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]''.

==Other posters and DVD covers==
<gallery>
File:Pokemon1998poster.jpg‎|Final ''Mewtwo's Counterattack'' movie poster
</gallery>

==Synopsis==
[[Giovanni]], the leader of [[Team Rocket]], has managed to create an enhanced clone of {{p|Mew}}. In this, he has created {{an|Mewtwo}}. As the story begins, a confused Mewtwo asks himself who he is, what he is, and where he came from. Just then, Mewtwo wakes up in a stasis tube in one of Team Rocket's laboratories, where the scientists study him. Mewtwo breaks out of his test tube, as the head scientist, [[Dr. Fuji]], tells Mewtwo that he was made by humans and is a clone. Mewtwo is angry that the scientists see him more as an end result to their project and less of a sentient being so he destroys the lab and kills all the scientists. Dr. Fuji says to himself that he regrets playing God before dying at the hands of Mewtwo. Then, Giovanni arrives in his private helicopter and offers to help give some value to Mewtwo's life. Mewtwo takes up the offer, and is put in a suit of armor to prevent him from rebelling against Team Rocket.

Over the next few weeks, Mewtwo does most of Team Rocket's dirty work, capturing wild Pokémon and beating any {{pkmn|Trainer}}s that come into the gym in [[Viridian City]], including [[Gary Oak]]. Mewtwo has had enough and blasts off out of Team Rocket HQ and back to the island where he was born.

Upon returning to the island where he was born, Mewtwo vows to get revenge on those who created and tried to enslave him, and more importantly, to prove his worth as a living being by finding and beating his original, Mew.

Meanwhile, {{Ash}}, [[Misty]], and [[Brock]] are preparing for lunch until a Pokémon Trainer known as [[Raymond]] shows up and challenges Ash, who is happy to oblige, since he enjoys one or two battles before lunch. With Pikachu jumping into battle, Ash easily beats the Pokémon Trainer. What he doesn't know is that he's being watched, not only by Team Rocket, but by a mysterious third party. [[Jessie]], [[James]], and {{MTR}}, who were also watching the battle, don't have any food. Suddenly, a Dragonite flies in with a letter for Ash and friends. It projects a hologram of a mysterious woman who tells the Trainers to head to a pier in order to get to an island fortress called New Island.

Later, the gang arrive at the [[Pokémon Center]] and discover that the [[Nurse Joy]] who works there has been missing for quite a while. {{mov|Miranda}}, the pier master tells them that she has lived on the pier all her life and that the storm is the fiercest she's ever seen. She then tells a story to everyone present about how some people died in a storm many years ago, however legend has it that the tears of the Pokémon restored the people to life.

Soon, most of the other Pokémon Trainers take off for a place called New Island. Team Rocket give Ash and friends a boat ride, but the storm proves too much for them, so they have to use Ash and Misty's Water Pokémon to get all the way to New Island.

As the heroes barely arrive at New Island, the mystery woman from the hologram letter greets them and takes them to the dining room to meet the other Trainers who arrived safely.

Meanwhile, as Team Rocket try to get inside the fortress, Mew can be seen flying around without a care in the world.

As they arrive in the dining room, Ash and friends meet three Pokémon Trainers named [[Neesha]], [[Fergus]], and [[Corey]]. Just then, the mystery woman introduces everybody in the room to her master, who is revealed to be none other than Mewtwo! Then, the woman faints, Brock quickly catches her, and it is revealed that the mystery woman is the missing Nurse Joy. Mewtwo tells the Trainers that humans are weak and cruel, and the world will fall into ruin because it is controlled by them. He also says that Pokémon are no better off, since they choose to associate with humans.

As Team Rocket get into the fortress and make their way into a laboratory, they come across a weird-looking machine, a computer, and Pokémon sleeping in giant pods. Jessie accidentally sits on the computer controls which play back a recorded message from Dr. Fuji about the fossilized eyelash of Mew that was created to form Mewtwo. Suddenly, the machine takes a piece of hair from Meowth to create a clone of him.

Mewtwo leads Ash and the other Trainers into the stadium part of the fortress and suggests that they should battle Pokémon to see who is the strongest, the clones vs. the originals. Ash's {{AP|Charizard}}, Corey's {{p|Venusaur}}, and Neesha's {{p|Blastoise}} are no match for Mewtwo's clones, and he claims the originals with his own specialized [[Poké Ball]]s. Mewtwo then announces that the other Pokémon will be taken to be cloned. The clones will remain safe on the island while Mewtwo's storms destroy the planet. He then sends the Balls after the Pokémon.

Immediately all the Trainers are on the run. Some Pokémon are captured before they realize what's happening, some attempt to outrun the Clone Balls and some attempt to use their attacks to defend themselves. However it's no use and the Pokémon are all being captured one by one. Ash gets an idea and, reasoning that Mewtwo can't capture his Pokémon if they're already inside their Poké Balls, recalls {{AP|Bulbasaur}} and {{AP|Squirtle}}. However it turns out to be no use, as the Clone Balls instead capture the Poké Balls with Bulbasaur and Squirtle still inside! Brock suggests carrying the Pokémon away, but while Misty successfully hides {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} inside her bag, {{TP|Misty|Psyduck}} and {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}} aren't so lucky and are also captured.

Now {{AP|Pikachu}} is the only Pokémon uncaptured and as it's now the only target, the Poké Balls have little trouble focusing on it. It is nearly captured at one point, however Ash uses his body to block, giving Pikachu a chance to run. Pikachu heads towards a nearby suspended staircase and uses {{m|ThunderShock}} to take out a few of the Clone Balls. Ash is desperate to save Pikachu and follows it up the staircase. Pikachu is forced to use its ThunderShock every few seconds, which in combination with constantly being on the run, leaves it exhausted. As a result, Pikachu is forced off the staircase while dodging the Balls, falling a long way. Ash jumps off after Pikachu to protect it, but before he can grab his friend, a Clone Ball finally manages to capture Pikachu. Ash grabs the ball before he falls into the pool of water at the base of the staircase, and loses his grip on it underwater. Ash follows it up, out of the pool, and towards the entrance to the laboratory where Team Rocket is.

The same machine that cloned Meowth earlier is now processing all of the Clone Balls, and Ash grabs the one Pikachu is in just as the machine does as well. Fighting against the machine's many arms, Ash eventually manages to get the Clone Ball away, destroying the machine in the process. Pikachu is released from the Clone Ball and shakes itself off, hating being confined to the space. Happily, it reunites with Ash, but the clones are now freed from their stasis tubes, prepared to join Mewtwo. The remaining Clone Balls are released from the machine in an explosion, and all open to free the Pokémon inside, including Ash's Squirtle and Bulbasaur's Poké Balls.

Mewtwo demands to know what happened in the explosion, and Ash emerges from the smoke with his and every Trainer's Pokémon. Ash tries to punch Mewtwo, but Mewtwo's forcefield sends him flying. Just then, after hearing all the commotion, Mew flies down and creates a giant bubble, which Ash lands on, breaking his fall. Mew encounters his clone and tells him that the originals will never be defeated by their copies when they fight without special powers. Thus, Mew and Mewtwo have a big battle that follows, which is about Pokémon fighting for the meaning of their lives, since (as Mewtwo sees it) clones have no value, and whoever wins will be the "real" Pokémon, not the worthless clone.

Ash is horrified to see all the Pokémon fighting their clones, especially Pikachu getting slapped to death by his clone. He eventually falls back down to the stadium floor, causing Misty and Brock to come to his aid. They and Nurse Joy talk about how Mewtwo and all the clones are living beings with value, as well as how when one animal invades the territory of another animal, it doesn't give up until it's driven the trespasser away. And then everyone expresses fear that the originals and clones will never give up, resulting in their deaths.

As Team Rocket also look on in horror, Meowth talks with his clone about philosophy and the moon, and how tasteful it is to be talking about the moon at a time like this.

Just as Mew and Mewtwo are about to finish each other off with huge energy blasts, Ash, angered by the continuous fighting, runs between them, demanding them to stop. The two blasts of energy come in contact with him together, and being so powerful, kill him, turning him to stone.

The stadium becomes silent, save for Pikachu, who runs to Ash's side. After trying to wake him up, Pikachu uses Thunderbolt in vain, as Ash stays unmoving. Pikachu begins to cry at losing its friend, as do the rest of those present in the stadium due to Ash's sacrifice. The tears of all the Pokémon come together and magically revive Ash, bringing him back to life just like in the story Miranda told earlier.

After witnessing all of this, Mewtwo states that it does not matter who is more powerful, that the clones and originals both have value, and nothing else about the matter. He also says that it would be best if no one knew about what happened. When Mewtwo flies off, he tells Ash that he will find a place where he and the clones can live in peace. As a result, all the memories of this event are erased from the Trainers' minds.

Ash, Misty, and Brock instantly find themselves back at the pier with no memory of their adventure on New Island. Ash sees a Mew in the clouds as the storm ends, but Misty and Brock do not, thinking it only to be a mirage.

Meanwhile, Team Rocket lie dormant on the empty New Island as the credits begin to roll.

==Major events==
===Debuts===
* {{an|Mewtwo}}
* {{p|Mew}}
* {{p|Donphan}}
* {{p|Nidoqueen}}
* {{p|Seadra}}
* {{p|Golduck}}
* {{p|Pidgeot}}
* {{p|Machamp}}

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* [[Misty]]
* [[Brock]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Gary Oak]] (cameo)
* [[Giovanni]]
* [[Dr. Fuji]]
* [[Nurse Joy]]
* [[Officer Jenny]]
* [[Neesha]]
* [[Fergus]]
* [[Corey]]
* {{mov|Miranda}}
* [[Raymond]]
* Announcer
* [[Rocket Grunts]]
* Other [[Pokémon Trainer]]s

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}}, clone)
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}}, clone)
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}}, clone)
* {{p|Charizard}} ({{OP|Ash|Charizard}}, clone)
* {{p|Squirtle}} ({{OP|Ash|Squirtle}}, clone)
* {{p|Staryu}} ({{OP|Misty|Staryu}})
* {{p|Psyduck}} ({{OP|Misty|Psyduck}}, clone)
* {{p|Vulpix}} ({{OP|Brock|Vulpix}}, clone)
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})
* {{p|Nidoking}} ([[Gary]]'s)
* {{p|Arcanine}} ({{OP|Gary|Arcanine}})
* {{p|Persian}} ({{OP|Giovanni|Persian}})
* {{p|Mewtwo}} ({{an|Mewtwo|anime}})
* {{p|Mew}}
* {{p|Nidoqueen}} ([[Fergus]]'s, clone)
* {{p|Golduck}} (Fergus's, clone)
* {{p|Tentacruel}} (Fergus's, clone)
* {{p|Seadra}} (Fergus's, clone)
* {{p|Gyarados}} (Fergus's, clone)
* {{p|Vaporeon}} (Fergus's, clone)
* {{p|Venusaur}} ([[Corey]]'s, clone, named ''Bernard'' in Japanese, ''Bruteroot'' in English)
* {{p|Pidgeot}} (Corey's, clone)
* {{p|Sandslash}} (Corey's, clone)
* {{p|Hitmonlee}} (Corey's, clone)
* {{p|Rhyhorn}} (Corey's, clone)
* {{p|Scyther}} (Corey's, clone)
* {{p|Blastoise}} ([[Neesha]]'s, clone, named ''Kusukusu'' in Japanese, ''Shellshocker'' in English)
* {{p|Wigglytuff}} (Neesha's, clone)
* {{p|Ninetales}} (Neesha's, clone)
* {{p|Vileplume}} (Neesha's, clone)
* {{p|Rapidash}} (Neesha's, clone)
* {{p|Dewgong}} (Neesha's, clone)
* {{p|Golem}} ([[Raymond]]'s)
* {{p|Machamp}} (Raymond's)
* {{p|Venomoth}} (Raymond's)
* {{p|Pinsir}} (Raymond's)
* {{p|Donphan}} (Raymond's)
* {{p|Raticate}}
* {{p|Fearow}}
* {{p|Alakazam}}
* {{p|Magneton}}
* {{p|Tauros}}
* {{p|Dragonite}}
* {{p|Venonat}}
* {{P|Caterpie}}

===Cast===
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | {{Ash}}
| width="22%" | [[Veronica Taylor]]
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! [[Misty]]
| [[Rachael Lillis]]
! Kasumi
| [[Mayumi Iizuka]]
! lang="ja" | カスミ
| lang="ja" | 飯塚雅弓
|-
! {{TP|Misty|Togepi}}
| [[Satomi Kōrogi]]
! Togepi
| Satomi Kōrogi
! lang="ja" | トゲピー
| lang="ja" | こおろぎさとみ
|-
! [[Brock]]
| [[Eric Stuart]]
! Takeshi
| [[Yuji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| Rachael Lillis
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| Eric Stuart
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| [[Maddie Blaustein]]
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
! {{an|Mewtwo}}
| [[Phillip Bartlett]]
! Mewtwo
| Masachika Ichimura
! lang="ja" | ミュウツー
| lang="ja" | 市村正親
|-
! {{p|Mew}}
| [[Kōichi Yamadera]]
! Mew
| Kōichi Yamadera
! lang="ja" | ミュウ
| lang="ja" | 山寺宏一
|-
! [[Corey]]
| [[Ted Lewis]]
! Sorao
| To'oru Furuya
! lang="ja" | ソラオ
| lang="ja" | 古谷徹
|-
! [[Neesha]]
| [[Lisa Ortiz]]
! Sweet
| Aiko Satō
! lang="ja" | スイート
| lang="ja" | 佐藤藍子
|-
! [[Fergus]]
| [[Jimmy Zoppi]]
! Umio
| Wataru Takagi
! lang="ja" | ウミオ
| lang="ja" | 高木渉
|-
! [[Nurse Joy]]
| [[Megan Hollingshead]]
! Joy
| Ayako Shiraishi
! lang="ja" | ジョーイ
| lang="ja" | 白石文子
|-
! [[Officer Jenny]]
| Megan Hollingshead
! Junsar
| [[Chinami Nishimura]]
! lang="ja" | ジュンサー
| lang="ja" | 西村ちなみ
|-
! {{mov|Miranda}}
| [[Kayzie Rogers]]
! Voyager
| Sachiko Kobayashi
! lang="ja" | ボイジャー
| lang="ja" | 小林幸子
|-
! [[Giovanni]]
| Ted Lewis
! Sakaki
| Hirotaka Suzuoki
! lang="ja" | サカキ
| lang="ja" | 鈴置洋孝
|-
! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| [[Ken Gates]]
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|}

==Trivia==
* In the United States, the movie briefly held the record for highest-grossing opening for an animated film until the release of ''{{wp|Toy Story 2}}''.
* There are three versions of this movie:
** The first version was the version released in Japanese theaters and was the first Japanese DVD release.
** The second version was a re-released DVD, containing re-done animation, cleaned up effects and new computer generated animation. This version was later used for the dub.
** The third version was the English dub. This removed the Mewtwo's origin sequence and ultimately, it portrayed Mewtwo as a cold heartless villain who just wanted to take over the planet.
* This is the only movie which takes place between different episodes than it premiered between. While it takes place after ''[[EP067|The Pi-Kahuna]]'' and before ''[[EP068|Make Room for Gloom]]'', it premiered in Japan between ''[[EP054|The Case of the K-9 Caper]]'' and ''[[EP055|Pokémon Paparazzi]]''.
* Several [[moves]] were used by Pokémon in this movie that were not yet available in the games. {{an|Mewtwo}} used {{m|Shadow Ball}}, the clone {{p|Blastoise}} used {{m|Rapid Spin}}, and Raymond's {{p|Donphan}}, itself a Pokémon not available yet, used {{m|Rollout}}. This is likely due to the movie's release relatively closer to [[Generation II]] than [[Generation I]].
* Jessie and James ask "Who's that Pokémon?" when the silhouettes of the Pokémon, including Meowth, appear in the cloning machine. This is a reference to [[Who's that Pokémon?|the segment]] that appeared between commercial breaks during the anime at the time, and is also present in the Japanese version.
* Misty's {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} was the only Pokémon that wasn't cloned by Mewtwo. She was able to hide her {{p|Togepi}} in her bag, and unlike Brock's {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}}, it didn't get captured.
* Some of the Pokémon on the poster didn't appear in the actual movie itself.
* This is the only movie which does not feature Ash on the cover. Interestingly, Pikachu does appear.
* Early in the film, Ash engages in a battle with another Trainer. In one battle, the opponent's Golem, a dual-type Rock/Ground Pokémon, was defeated by Ash's Pikachu's Electric attack. In the games, {{type2|Ground}}s are immune to Electric attacks.
* The movie was re-released on DVD in Japan and contained the Japanese and US audio tracks along with the complete 'Origin of Mewtwo' short.
* The VHS release of the film had a trailer of [[The Power of One|the second movie]] and came with [[Mewtwo (Wizards Promo 14)|a free trading card]]. The DVD release also came with a Mewtwo promotional card.
* ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]'' is the first appearance of the {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}}, {{p|Snubbull}} and {{p|Marill}}, and the feature film is the first appearance of {{p|Donphan}}.
* This was the first film confirmed as canon to the anime; during [[EP060]]-[[EP062]], scenes of Mewtwo breaking out of the lab and battling at Giovanni's gym can be seen. Furthermore, the film used footage of [[Gary Oak]] battling Mewtwo. The director's commentary jokes that they had to get a 'stand-in' for Gary because his agent was asking for too much.
* Raymond, the Trainer that Ash faces in the introduction to the movie wears a bandanna with a white marking similar to that of [[Team Aqua]]'s logo.
* This movie marks the ''only'' time in the anime that [[Ash's Pikachu]] is shown going ''into'' a [[Poké Ball]], and only the second time it has come out of one (the other being in ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]''.
* This is the second time Ash dies and then comes back to life, the first being in ''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]''.
* The nickname of [[Neesha]]'s {{p|Blastoise}} is ''Shellshocker'', which contains 12 characters. This is impossible in the {{pkmn|games}}, as nicknames are only allowed to be 10 characters.
* This movie and ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]'' are the only Pokémon movies to feature all of their generation's [[version mascot]]s. {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, {{p|Pikachu}}, and {{p|Venusaur}} are all present in this movie, while {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}} are present in the twelfth movie. Coincidentally, ''Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime'' premieres on the 11th anniversary of this movie.
* The English title is a reference to {{wp|Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back}}.
** Likewise, the Japanese title is a reference to {{wp|Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack}}.

===Errors===
* In the English dub, three Pokémon are referred to by the wrong name. {{p|Pidgeot}} was called {{p|Pidgeotto}}, {{p|Scyther}} was called {{p|Alakazam}}, and {{p|Sandslash}} was called {{p|Sandshrew}}. In the audio commentary, [[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] stated that they decided to leave the Alakazam error when they noticed it as something for the children watching to notice and because they felt it was plausible in context that Team Rocket could make a mistake.
* When the three other Pokémon Trainers are taking off, Corey is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow.
* In the beginning of the feature film, Raymond's Machamp is shown coming out of the Poké Ball twice, for an unknown reason.
* When Fergus releases his Gyarados into the water to ride on its back, its lips are blue instead of the normal yellow.
* Mewtwo is mistakenly colored a light blue instead of a light purple on the VHS and DVD cases.
* When Fergus runs over to his injured Gyarados, his {{p|Nidoqueen}} has the color scheme of a {{p|Nidoking}}.
* During the scene where Ash confronts Mewtwo, {{p|Rapidash}} was seen without flames.
* During the scene where Ash is looking at Fergus's Pokémon, his Japanese voice can be heard over the voice of the Pokémon.

===Dub edits===
*The plot in the dubbed English version contains a "fighting is wrong" moral and portrays Mewtwo as a cold heartless villain who just wants to take over Earth. It also contains anti-racism material. Meowth, agreeing with his clone, says, "Maybe if we started looking at what's the same instead of always looking at what's different, well who knows?"
**The Japanese version instead portrays Mewtwo as a confused being who cannot place himself among other living beings, so his stress of not being able to figure any of that out leads to his destruction of the labratory on New Island, Team Rocket's new base, and eventually, his plan to get revenge on the world to prove he should be alive.
*During the battle between the Pokémon and their clones, the music that plays in the background is different in both versions: the Japanese version plays instrumental music very softly, while the English version plays ''[[Brother My Brother]]''.
*When Pikachu is repeatedly shocking Ash to try and bring him back to life, Misty says "Pikachu..." in the Japanese version, and "Please, no..." in the English version. A commentary revealed that the dubbers had many alternatives for this piece of dialogue, one of them being Misty saying "My [[bike]]..." referring to a running gag in the anime.
*In the French dub of the movie, Misty's Staryu does not make a sound when it is released from its Poké Ball. In all other versions of the film, Staryu's "voice" can be heard twice.
*In the European Portuguese version of the movie, when Team Rocket are disguised as vikings, Brock says: {{tt|"Não sabia que ainda existiam vikings."|"I didn't know that vikings still existed."}}, to which Ash replies {{tt|"Vivem em Vila Franca de Xira."|"They live in Vila Franca de Xira."}}. Vila Franca de Xira is a city located to the northeast of Lisbon.
*Three scenes detailing the backstory of Mewtwo's creation, a full twelve-minute sequence, were removed from the English dub. The first scene centered around a group of explorers who found an ancient engraving of Mew, and then finding Mew's eyelash. The second detailed the history of [[Dr. Fuji]] and his attempts to clone Mew, as well as {{an|Amber|his daughter}}, who had died as a child. The final scene detailed a young Mewtwo's interaction with clones of the [[Kanto]] starters as well as Amber Fuji. The latter two scenes were later dubbed and made into a short released with the DVD of ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'', known as ''[[The Birth of Mewtwo]]''.
*Giovanni denies that Mewtwo's armor is meant to suppress its powers in the dub, stating that it is rather meant to "focus" them. It is stated outright in the original Japanese that the armor is meant to suppress the bulk of its powers.
*Miranda's story about the water of the tears that can revive people exists in the English version only, and is not in the Japanese version.
====Scenes removed from dub====
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</gallery>

===In other languages===
* European Portuguese: '''{{tt|Mewtwo Contra-ataca|Mewtwo Counter-attacks}}'''
* Brazilian Portuguese: '''{{tt|Pokémon: O Filme - Mewtwo Contra-ataca|Pokémon: The Movie - Mewtwo Counter-attacks}}'''
* {{tt|Spanish|Iberian and Latin American}}: '''{{tt|Mewtwo Contraataca|Mewtwo Fights Back}}'''
* French: '''{{tt|Mew contre Mewtwo|Mew against Mewtwo}}'''
* German: '''{{tt|Pokémon - Der Film|Pokémon - The Movie}}'''
* Greek: '''{{tt|Πόκεμον η πρώτη ταινία|Pokémon The First Movie}}'''
* Chinese(HK): '''{{tt|超夢夢反擊戰|Mewtwo Counter-war}}'''
* Chinese(TW): '''{{tt|超夢的逆襲|Mewtwo Counter-attack}}'''
* Korean: '''{{tt|포켓몬스터1탄 : 뮤츠의 역습|Pocket Monsters movie 1: Mewtwo's Counterattack}}'''
* Danish: '''{{tt|Pokémon 1: Filmen|Pokémon 1: The movie}}'''
* Czech: '''{{tt|Pokémon: První film|Pokémon: The First Movie}}'''
* Dutch: '''{{tt|Pokémon De Film|Pokémon The Movie}}'''
* Polish: '''{{tt|Pokémon: Film Pierwszy - Zemsta Mewtwo|Pokémon: The First Film - Mewtwo's Revenge}}'''
* Finnish: '''{{tt|Pokémon Elokuva: Mewtwo vs Mew|Pokémon Movie: Mewtwo vs Mew}}'''
* Italian: '''{{tt|Pokémon Il Film|Pokémon the Movie}}'''
* Swedish: '''{{tt|Pokémon Filmen - Mewtwo Slår Tillbaka|Pokémon the Movie - Mewtwo Strikes Back}}'''
* Russian: '''{{tt|Покемон:Фильм Первый|Pokémon the First Movie}}'''

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190641/ ''Pokémon: The First Movie'' at IMDb]

{{Movies}}

[[Category:Movies]]

[[de:Pokémon - Der Film]]
[[fr:Mew contre Mewtwo]]
[[ja:劇場版ポケットモンスターミュウツーの逆襲]]

Talk:Pokémon world/Archive 1

2009-08-02T14:14:49Z

Legionaireb: /* More Real World Correlation */ new section

i think those refences to real places are just talking about pokemon eqevelints

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|</nowiki>'''100px|'''<nowiki>A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are '''sepperated''' from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh '''island''', here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
 
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even ''they'' don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are ''entirely'' fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.
:Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.
:Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint.
[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]
Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here:
thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/allregions.PNG click for edited map] anyways...that map ([http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions...
for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like ''that'' version then you can try [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/kantojohtoislands.png this one.]
you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art!
then we could put those there! {{unsigned|Bill33421}}

:We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

:If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]]
:If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at [[User:TTEchidna/GSDS]].

Thx

:No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''

== THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD ==

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. {{p|Pichu}}, evolve to {{p|Pikachu}}. Pikachu can still breed... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== I found this ==

Navegating through the internet I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Pok%C3%A9mon_Regions.png That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have a source for thiss??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment? ==

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before?
Heres the link?
http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set [[E-Card 2 (TCG)|The Town On No Map]] (E-Card 2). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Real World Correlation ==

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

M08

2009-07-30T02:34:56Z

Legionaireb: Replaced 'Only human left who can use aura' with 'Only human in the area who can use aura,' since Riley from the series can also use aura (and is actively training as an Aura Guardian). ~~~~

{{search|movie|the manga|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew (manga)}}
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{{MovieInfobox|
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|entitle=Lucario and the Mystery of Mew
|jatitle=ミュウと波導の勇者ルカリオ
|rotitle=Mew and the Wave-Guiding Hero: Lucario
|poster=LucarioMewDVD.PNG
|jpprem=July 16, 2005
|usprem=2006{{tt|*|Home video}}
|jpvid=
|usvid=September 19, 2006
|usrating=Unrated
|ukrating=Unreleased
|carating=Unrated
|qurating=G
|irrating=?
|aurating=G
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'''Lucario and the Mystery of Mew''' (Japanese: '''ミュウと{{tt|波導|はどう}}の{{tt|勇者|ゆうしゃ}} ルカリオ''' ''Mew and the {{tt|Wave|Aura}}-Guiding Hero: Lucario'') is the third Pokémon [[Advanced Generation series|Advanced Generation]] movie, and 8th of all Pokémon movies. Premiering in Japan on July 16, 2005, it introduced four new [[Generation IV]] Pokémon, {{p|Lucario}}, {{p|Bonsly}}, {{p|Mime Jr.}} and {{p|Weavile}}. As indicated by the title, {{p|Mew}} plays a large part, supplementing its appearance in ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''. {{p|Regice}}, {{p|Regirock}} and {{p|Registeel}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} also appear, though the latter is only a cameo role as one of Mew's transformations. This movie was the last production to be released by [[4Kids Entertainment]], though it was actually completed before ''[[AG145|Pasta La Vista]]''.

In Latin America, it was the first of the {{series2|Advanced Generation}} movies to be dubbed, and aired just after the finale of [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier]] and before the beginning of [[Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl]] in a special along with ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]'' and ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]''. The other two ''Advanced Generation'' movies, ''[[Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'' and ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]'', were not dubbed until early 2008.

==Other posters and DVD covers==
<gallery>
File:Pokemon2005poster.jpg‎|Final ''Mew and the Wave-Guiding Hero: Lucario'' movie poster
</gallery>

==Plot==
{{main|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew (Plot summary)}}

On a visit to a kingdom near Kanto, Ash inadvertently releases a Lucario that had been sealed away by a hero of legend. At around the same time, a Mew kidnaps Pikachu and Meowth and brings them to a haven known as the [[Tree of Beginning]] that is set up to prevent humans from entering at all costs. Ash enlists the help of Lucario to retrieve Pikachu while discovering just what the hero's intentions were.

==Featured Pokémon==
* [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|Mew]]
* {{an|Lucario}}
* {{p|Regirock}}
* {{p|Regice}}
* {{p|Registeel}}

==Debuts==
* {{p|Lucario}}
* {{p|Bonsly}}
* {{p|Weavile}}
* {{p|Mime Jr.}}
* {{p|Regirock}}
* {{p|Regice}}
* {{p|Registeel}}

==Cast==
[[Image:M8 cast group photo.jpg|frame|center|Guide the wave of a big hit! Back row, from left: Kōichi Yamadera, Becky, Momoko Kikuchi, Pikachu, Kumiko Okae, Rica Matsumoto, Kunihiko Yuyama, Lucario Front row, from left: Akihiro Nishino, Yūta Kajiwara]]
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | [[Veronica Taylor]]
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! [[Brock]]
| [[Eric Stuart]]
! Takeshi
| [[Yūji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! {{an|May}}
| Veronica Taylor
! Haruka
| [[KAORI]]
! lang="ja" | ハルカ
| lang="ja" | KAORI
|-
! [[Max]]
| [[Amy Birnbaum]]
! Masato
| [[Fushigi Yamada]]
! lang="ja" | マサト
| lang="ja" | 山田ふしぎ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| [[Rachael Lillis]]
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| Eric Stuart
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| [[Maddie Blaustein]]
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! {{an|Lucario}}
| [[Sean Schemmel]]
! Lucario
| [[Daisuke Namikawa]]
! lang="ja" | ルカリオ
| lang="ja" | 浪川大輔
|-
! [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|Mew]]
| [[Satomi Kōrogi]]
! Mew
| [[Satomi Kōrogi]]
! lang="ja" | ミュウ
| lang="ja" | こおろぎ　さとみ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Banks]]
| [[Pete Zarustica]]
! Banks
| Takeshi Aono
! lang="ja" | バンクス
| lang="ja" | 青野　武
|-
!
|
! Mother
| [[Noriko Hidaka]]
! lang="ja" | 母親
| lang="ja" | 日髙のり子
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! {{TP|May|Munchlax}}
| [[Darren Dunstan]]
! Gonbe
| [[Chie Satō]]
! lang="ja" | ゴンベ
| lang="ja" | 佐藤智慧
|-
! [[May's Blaziken|Combusken]]
| [[Darren Dunstan]]
! Wakasyamo
| [[Chinami Nishimura]]
! lang="ja" | ワカシャモ
| lang="ja" | 西村ちなみ
|-
! {{AP|Corphish}}
| Maddie Blaustein
! Heigani
| [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]
! lang="ja" | ヘイガニ
| lang="ja" | 小西克幸
|-
! {{TP|May|Squirtle}}
| Eric Stuart
! Zenigame
| [[Tomoe Hanba]]
! lang="ja" | ゼニガメ
| lang="ja" | 半場友恵
|-
! {{p|Houndoom}}
| Kōichi Sakaguchi
! Hellgar
| [[Kōichi Sakaguchi]]
! lang="ja" | ヘルガー
| lang="ja" | 坂口候一
|-
! {{p|Mime Jr.}}
|
! Manene
| [[Miyako Itō]]
! lang="ja" | マネネ
| lang="ja" | 伊東みやこ
|-
! {{p|Weavile}}
| Eric Stuart
! Manyula
| [[Daisuke Sakaguchi]]
! lang="ja" | マニューラ
| lang="ja" | 阪口大助
|-
! {{p|Weavile}}
| Eric Stuart
! Manyula
| Jun Fukushima
! lang="ja" | マニューラ
| lang="ja" | 福島　潤
|-
! {{TP|James|Chimecho}}
| [[Bella Hudson]]
! Chirean
| [[Natsuki Yoshihara]]
! lang="ja" | チリーン
| lang="ja" | 吉原ナツキ
|-
! {{p|Regirock}}
| Eiji Miyashita
! Regirock
| Eiji Miyashita
! lang="ja" | レジロック
| lang="ja" | 宮下栄治
|-
! {{p|Registeel}}
| Atsushi Kakehashi
! Registeel
| Atsushi Kakehashi
! lang="ja" | レジスチル
| lang="ja" | 梯　篤司
|-
! {{p|Regice}}
| Kunihiro Kawamoto
! Regice
| Kunihiro Kawamoto
! lang="ja" | レジアイス
| lang="ja" | 河本邦弘
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! Narration
| [[Mike Pollock]]
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" | Special appearances by
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" | Special appearances by
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 特別出演
|-
! [[Sir Aaron|Aaron]]
| [[Jason Griffith]]
! Aaron
| [[Kōichi Yamadera]]
! lang="ja" | アーロン
| lang="ja" | 山寺宏一
|-
!
|
! Jenny
| Kumiko Okae
! lang="ja" | ジェニー
| lang="ja" | 岡江久美子
|-
! [[Queen Rin|Rin]] / [[Queen Ilene|Ilene]]
| [[Bella Hudson]]
! Rene / Irene
| Momoko Kikuchi
! lang="ja" | リーン／アイリーン
| lang="ja" | 菊池桃子
|-
! [[Kidd Summers]]
| [[Evelyn Lanto]]
! Kid Summers
| [[Becky]]
! lang="ja" | キッド・サマーズ
| lang="ja" | ベッキー
|-
! Freddy
| Darren Dunstan
! Freddy
| Akihiro Nishino (King Kong)
! lang="ja" | フレディ
| lang="ja" | 西野亮廣 (キングコング)
|-
! {{p|Bonsly}}
| [[Eric Stuart]]
! Usohachi
| Yūta Kajiwara (King Kong)
! lang="ja" | ウソハチ
| lang="ja" | 梶原雄太 (キングコング)
|}

== Staff ==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%}}
|-
! width="24%" | Created by 原案
| width="38%" |
* [[Satoshi Tajiri]]
* [[Jun'ichi Masuda]]
* [[Ken Sugimori]]
| width="38%" lang="ja" |
* 田尻　智
* 増田順一
* 杉森　建
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Production supervisor スーパーバイザー
|
* [[Tsunekazu Ishihara]]
| lang="ja" |
* 石原恒和
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Animation supervisor アニメーション監修
|
* Yōichi Kotabe
| lang="ja" |
* 小田部羊一
|-
! Executive producers エグゼクティブプロデューサー
|
* Masakazu Kubo
* Hiroaki Tsuru
| lang="ja" |
* 久保雅一
* 鶴　宏明
|-
! Producers プロデューサー
|
* Chōji Yoshikawa
* Yukako Matsusako
* Jun'ya Okamoto
* Takemoto Mori
| lang="ja" |
* 吉川兆二
* 松迫由香子
* 岡本順哉
* 盛　武源
|-
! Animation producers アニメーションプロデューサー
|
* Toshiaki Okuno
* Shūkichi Kanda
| lang="ja" |
* 奥野敏聡
* 神田修吉
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Screenplay 脚本
|
* Hideki Sonoda
| lang="ja" |
* 園田英樹
|-
! Storyboard 絵コンテ
|
* [[Kunihiko Yuyama]]
* Tetsu Kimura
* Sōichi Masui
* Yūji Asada
* Yoshikazu Miyao
| lang="ja" |
* 湯山邦彦
* 木村　哲
* 増井壮一
* 浅田裕二
* 宮尾佳和
|-
! Assistant directors 演出
|
* Yūji Asada
* Hiroaki Yoshikawa
* Yumi Kamakura
* Masahiko Watanabe
* Masakatsu Iijima
* Naohito Takahashi
| lang="ja" |
* 浅田裕二
* 吉川博明
* 鎌倉由美
* 渡辺正彦
* 飯島正勝　
* 高橋ナオヒト
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Assistant director associate 演出助手
|
* Yoshimobu Tokumoto
| lang="ja" |
* 徳本善信
|-
! Character staging キャラクター設定
|
* Kenji Matsushima
* Kōji Nishino
| lang="ja" |
* 松島賢二
* 西野弘二
|-
! Staging assistance 設定協力
|
* GAME FREAK inc.
* The Pokémon Company
|
* GAME FREAK inc.
* The Pokémon Company
|-
! Character design キャラクターデザイン
|
* Kazuaki Mōri
* Tokuhiro Matsubara
* [[Sayuri Ichiishi]]
| lang="ja" |
* 毛利和昭
* 松原徳弘
* 一石小百合
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Executive animation director 総作画監督
|
* Kazuaki Mōri
| lang="ja" |
* 毛利和昭
|-
! Assistant executive animation directors 総作画監督補
|
* Tokuhiro Matsubara
* Kazumi Satō
* Taguchi Kōichi
| lang="ja" |
* 松原徳弘
* 佐藤和巳
* 田口広一
|-
! Animation directors 作画監督
|
* Yūko Inoue
* Masahiro Aizawa
* Senri Ikehara
* Takuya Matsumoto
* Takayuki Shimura
* Mika Takahashi
* Katsunori Kimizuka
* Kunihiko Natsume
* Akihiro Tamagawa
| lang="ja" |
* 井ノ上ユウ子　
* 相沢昌弘
* 池平千里
* 松本卓也
* 志村隆行
* 高橋美香
* 君塚勝教
* 夏目久仁彦
* 玉川明洋
|-
! Color keys 色彩設計
|
* Miyuki Satō
* Noriyuki Yoshino
| lang="ja" |
* 佐藤美由紀
* 吉野記通
|-
! Colorist 色指定
|
* Takako Uemura
* Mizue Ueda
| lang="ja" |
* 上村貴子
* 上田みず恵
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Art supervisor 美術監修
|
* Katsuyoshi Kanemura
| lang="ja" |
* 金村勝義
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Art director 美術監督
|
* Masatoshi Mutō
| lang="ja" |
* 武藤正敏
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Director of photography 撮影監督
|
* Takaya Mizutani
| lang="ja" |
* 水谷貴哉
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! CGI
|
* OLM Digital
| lang="ja" |
* OLM Digital
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! CGI director CGI監督
|
* Makoto Satō
| lang="ja" |
* 佐藤　誠
|-
! Dance scene assistance ダンスシーン協力
|
* Misato Matsuoka
* Ayaka Chimura
* Mitsugu Kawasaki
| lang="ja" |
* 松岡美里
* 千村彩花
* 川崎美嗣
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Editor 編集
|
* Toshio Henmi
| lang="ja" |
* 辺見俊夫
|-
! Editorial assistants 編集助手
|
* JAYFILM
* Daisuke Imai
* Yoshiki Ushiroda
| lang="ja" |
* ジェイ・フィルム
* 今井大介
* 後田良樹
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Music 音楽
|
* Shinji Miyazaki
| lang="ja" |
* 宮崎慎二
|-
! Music producers 音楽プロデューサー
|
* Kazuo Shinohara
* Yūji Saitō
| lang="ja" |
* 篠原一雄
* 齋藤裕二
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Sound recording mixer 劇場用レコーディングミキサー
|
* Jūji Nakamura
| lang="ja" |
* 中村充時
|-
! Original score (partial) 一部原曲・作曲
|
* Gō Ichinose
* Morikazu Aoki
| lang="ja" |
* 一之瀬　剛
* 青木森一
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Sound director 音響監督
|
* Masafumi Mima
| lang="ja" |
* 三間雅文
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Recording studio 録音スタジオ
|
* Aoi Studio
| lang="ja" |
* アオイスタジオ
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Audio production 音響制作
|
* HALF H·P STUDIO
| lang="ja" |
* HALF H·P STUDIO
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Production 制作
|
* Shōgakukan Production
| lang="ja" |
* 小学館プロダクション
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Animation production アニメーション制作
|
* OLM Team Koitabashi
| lang="ja" |
* OLM Team Koitabashi
|- style="vertical-align: middle;"
! Director 監督
|
* Kunihiko Yuyama
| lang="ja" |
* 湯山邦彦
|}

== Trivia ==
{{spoiler}}
* In this movie, Regice was pronounced as Rej-i-Ice; however, in the [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier|Battle Frontier]], it was pronounced as Rej-Ice.
* This movie premiered in Japan between the episodes ''[[AG134|A Real Cleffa-Hanger]]'' and ''[[AG135|Numero Uno Articuno]]''.
* This movie introduces the concept of [[aura]] to the series.
* This is the second movie in which a character dies and is not resurrected. The first was [[Pokémon Heroes]], where {{an|Latios}} sacrificed himself to save [[Alto Mare]] from a humongous tidal wave. This time two characters died, Lucario, and Sir Aaron.
* This is the first time, since the 5th movie, that the corresponding theme song is played during the opening credits (this time it is the Advanced Battle theme).
* The castle is based on [[wp:Neuschwanstein|Neuschwanstein]], a castle in [[wp:Allgäu|Allgäu]], [[wp:Bavaria|Bavaria]], Germany. (From [http://www.pokemon2005.jp/staffdiary/0801.html])
* There are scenes from the past movies hidden in the in the credits:
** Brock has the same reaction to leaving Kidd as he did to Rebecca in the previous movie. Both female characters were voiced by [[Becky]] in the Japanese version.
** Kidd visits [[Forina]] and meets [[Butler]] and [[Diane]].
** Ash and co. walk through the streets of an old-style European town, which could be interpreted as either [[Alto Mare]] or [[Rota]].
** The first half of the closing scene of the credits resembles the first half of the closing scene of the credits of [[Pokémon Heroes]].
* The strings section of the movie score is performed by Koike Strings, and was recorded on June 11, 2005. [http://www.koikestrings.com/ Koike Strings official website]
* In this film, Bonsly is pronounced "bons-lee", but in subsequent anime episodes the pronunciation has been 'bons-lie', similar to 'bonsai', from which Bonsly takes its name.
* During the scene where Ash remembers the scene from ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'', part of ''Aim to be a Pokémon Master'' can be heard playing as the background music.
* The two parties of Pokémon, Red and Green, reference the original two [[version]]s of Pokémon, [[Pokémon Red and Green|Red and Green]].
* [[May's Munchlax]] is the only one of the main characters' Pokémon besides Pikachu to appear on the front cover.
* This is the second movie in a row where a Munchlax appears on the front cover.
* This is the only Pokémon movie so far that does not have a [[legendary Pokémon]] as the main featured Pokémon.
* This is the only Pokémon movie that has appearances by [[legendary Pokémon]] from each of the first three generations: {{p|Mew}} from [[Generation I]], {{p|Ho-Oh}} from [[Generation II]] and {{p|Registeel}}, {{p|Regirock}}, and {{p|Regice}} from [[Generation III]].
* When Mew is transformed into Ho-Oh in the dub, {{p|Pidgeot}}'s voice is used.
* This movie was made canon by ''[[DP056|The Keystone Pops!]]'', when Ash, being the only human in the area able to sense and use aura, is the only one who could reseal {{p|Spiritomb}}, and by ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Parts One]] [[DP072|and Two]]'' when Ash was able to sense Riolu's presence.
* This movie was in the making before its [[Destiny Deoxys|predecessor]] was even finished.
* The Lapras music box at the Tree of Beginning plays the same tune as {{m|Sing}} does in the games.
=== Box office performance ===
: ''Source: [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/index.html goo 映画]

The general screening of ''Mew and the Wave-Guiding Hero: Lucario'' ran for 6 weeks from July 16 to August 26, 2005.
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! 2005
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050719.html July 16 - 17]
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050726.html July 23 - 24]
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050802.html July 30 - 31]
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050809.html August 6 - 7]
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050816.html August 13 - 14]
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050823.html August 20 - 21]
! [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/ranking/boxoffice/20050830.html August 27 - 28]
|-
! style="text-align: right;" | Overall ranking
| ► 2nd
| ► 2nd
| ► 2nd
| ▼ 3rd
| ► 3rd
| ▼ 4th
| ▼ 7th
|-
! style="text-align: right;" | Domestic movies
| ► 1st
| ► 1st
| ► 1st
| ▼ 2nd
| ▲ 1st
| ▼ 2nd
| ▼ 4th
|-
! style="text-align: right;" | Anime movies
| ► 1st
| ► 1st
| ► 1st
| ▼ 2nd
| ▲ 1st
| ► 1st
| ► 1st
|}

The movie had grossed 4.11 billion yen by September 2005, and the final figure was 4.3 billion yen (US$36.4 million), placing it second in Japan in 2005 only to [[wp:Hayao Miyazaki|Hayao Miyazaki]]'s [[wp:Howl's Moving Castle|Howl's Moving Castle]].

==Related links==
* [[wp:Mew and the Wave Guiding Hero: Lucario|Article on Wikipedia]]
* [[a:Category:Movie 8 screenshots|Screenshots on Bulbagarden Archives]]
==In other languages==
* Chinese(HK): '''{{tt|夢夢與波導的勇者路卡利奧|Mew and the brave man of Aura: Lucario}}'''
* Chinese(TW): '''{{tt|夢幻與波導的勇者路卡利歐|Mew and the brave man of Aura: Lucario}}'''
* Dutch: '''{{tt|Lucario en het Mysterie van Mew|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew}}'''
* French: '''{{tt|Lucario et le Mystère de Mew|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew}}'''
* German: '''{{tt|Lucario und das Geheimnis von Mew|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew}}'''
* Korean: '''{{tt|뮤와 파동의 용사 루카리오|Mew and the Wave Hero Lucario}}'''
* Portuguese (Brazil): '''{{tt|Lucario e o Mistério de Mew|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew}}'''
* {{tt|Spanish|Iberian and Latin American}}: '''{{tt|Lucario y el misterio de Mew|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew}}'''

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0875609/ ''Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew'' at IMDb]

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Talk:M01

2009-07-30T02:27:07Z

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The CGI effects were made for the Japanese DVD of it and not for the dub. --Qwertybub3 02:32, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
:Seeing as the DVD was only released in 2000 and the Japanese VHS with the CGI in late 1999, I'm inclined to think the dub got the new CGI first. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 12:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, something was said on the audio commentary about the CGI being added for the dub. Yes, I listen to audio commentaries. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Who's that pokemon? ==

In the error section of this page it says that meowth gave the wrong names of pokemon. What If he meant to do that, not making it an error?
: I agree, but I thought [[Team Rocket]] made the mistake? Anyway, it only shows their lack of knowledge when it comes to [[Pokémon]] silhouettes, if you catch my drift ... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
:: He didn't do that in the original version, only in the English dub. Don't believe that excuse Michael Haigney and Norman Grossfeld gave that they were trying to make Team Rocket look stupid. They're only trying to cover for their mistakes. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 00:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::: Ahh, I haven't seen the Japanese (original) version, I wouldn't understand it anyway. However, have you noticed that, [[James]] has a great knowledge of Pokémon? Probably from all of those tutors from his childhood... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::::This is what is actually said in the commentary:
::"''That is a mistake that we made. We actually made a mistake when we did the first draft of the script and we actually recorded that incorrectly. We did catch ourselves.''"
::"''Right. I think the son of the sound effects editor noticed it watching the film.''"
::"''Right. And [this] was before it was completely done and [he] pointed it out to us and we ultimately made - maybe it was laziness or maybe it was genius, I don't know (laughs) - decided to keep the mistake in: a) to make something fun for the kids to spot and also we realised that, well, would Team Rocket actually know every Pokémon and be experts to see the silhouettes and point them out correctly? And we decided ultimately that they can make a mistake so we can make a mistake.''"
::::That is a long way from your claims, PAK Man, so lay off the 4Kids bashing.
::::As for James's knowledge, that is something that has been developed since movie 1. Were his cards even seen before AG? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blastoise, Charizard, Venusaur ==

If I remember right, didn't Mewtwo have those clones pre-made, and then just faced them off against Shellshocker, Ash's Charizard, and Bruteroot? That'd mean that Togepi wasn't the only uncloned Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, he did already have them.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::<s>That doesn't mean they ''weren't'' uncloned. In the Origin of Mewtwo, they were Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo, all cloned by Dr. Fuji.</s> {{unsigned|PH1RESTRIKE|21:59, 11 February 2009}}
:::Oh wait, scratch that. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fearow Trainer? ==

"When the three other Pokémon trainers are taking off, Cory is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow."

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I remember on a fansite, they claimed that it's a different trainer. The Fearow trainer is a girl, too. I think she's in a crowd a few minutes before the trainers leave for New Island.

Oh, and I think that the DVD commentary confirms this, and that she didn't make it to the island. [[User:Seritinajii|Seritinajii]] 12:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this as well, cuz I zoomed in on the trainer and i think it was som blonde girl with pigtails that you can see near while Officer Jenny was talking. [[User:ShellShocker|ShellShocker]] 10:34, 29 July 2008

== Only film canon to the anime? ==

At least in non-Japanese languages, I'm sure Ash remembers having seen a Lugia from the Orange Islands when he meets [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|Silver]] and its parent. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Okay then. Go ahead and add it; I guess I forgot that.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::The question is, why would any of them not be? Sure, Ash may not remember exactly, but remember, the show can't just assume everyone's seen all of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, yeah, that's why I used "''confirmed'' as canon," since the other movies may very well be, but it's not obvious because, like the majority of anime movies, the main series may not show any sort of acknowledgment of things that happened in movies.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but then again, sometimes, the series doesn't even acknowledge it's own episodes, no matter how important they really are (eg. Ash forgetting what the P1 Grand Prix was in the Tyrogue episode despite participating, becoming champion of, and loaning his [[Primeape|champ pokemon]] to the runner up, May claiming that she used Skitty in the Fallabor contest when she actually used Beautifly, Ash forgetting double battles despite the fact that the reason why he won HALF of the Orange League Badges IS because of Double Battles, etc, etc.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Origin for rating? ==

I don't get it, how could "Mewtwo's Origin" prevent the theatrical version from keeping its "G" rating? [[Image:Ani384MS.gif]][[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 07:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mewtwo's Origin" is a little dark for younger audiences. [[User:Animine|Animine]] 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:You say 'a little dark,' I say 3 pokemon and a human die in it. Not an ambiguous death like Ash's, a clear death. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 01:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Just a question. ==

Anybody know who composed the music/background music for this movie? D: [[User:Takoto|Takoto!]] 11:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Team Aqua Logo? ==

I watched the movie on VHS after reading this aritcle and I think the Trivia should be changed. The so called logo on the bandana is simply a skull and cross bones not an "A". If it was related to anything it should say that it resembles a koffing. Thats my opinion. [[User:Rucario64]]
:Opinion goes on forums. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:35 1 Jul 2008'''''

It is neither the Team Aqua logo, nor a normal Skull and Crossbones. The emblem on the trainers head is the emblem that appears on the stomach of the pokemon Koffing and Weezing. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 04:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Retcon? ==

Looking back at Ash's revival, it may have been the power of Aura that revived him. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 12:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have proof? the only thing i remember that revived him were the tears of the Pokémon that cried when they saw him turn to stone; just as the legend said. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Okay, so I'm a bit confused about the short "Mewtwo's origin"...there is a CD drama, right? is that just a plain audio CD? If so, then what is the 12 minute clip that was cut from the dubbed version of the 1st movie? And what's with Madam Boss and Miyamoto? All i know is Miyamoto saw Mew in the mountains and hasn't been heard from again. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity ==

I know that there are conventions that determine where the movies take place in the Pokemon storyline, and that said conventions place this movie between The Pi-Kahuna and Make Room For Gloom, but I believe it takes place much later: Specifically, between Pallet Party Panic and A Scare in the Air. My material evidence is that when the brainwashed Nurse Joy in the movie requests that Ash and company release all their pokemon, there is no sign of Pidgeotto. Less concrete is my feeling that, up to the point of The Pi-Kahuna, Ash had not accomplished anything that would have gained him sufficient notoriety to cause trainers from as far away as Johto (as indicated by the presence of a Donphan in the party of the trainer that challenges Ash in the movie's opening) to specifically seek Ash out. It would require a feat as significant as placing in the top 16 of his first Pokemon League Competition. I would like others to weigh in on this issue. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 05:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:Just because someone has a non-native Poke to the current region, doesn't mean they're from that region, sure it seems like that alot, but it doesn't always have to...Just sayin...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

==Two issues==
One user added the fact that Ash's Charizard obeyed him in this movie, but I don't find it believable because Ash never gave orders to Charizard and that Charizard attacked Mewtwo without warning. Does anybody agree?

Also, would it be proper to mention that the movie's dub title is a reference to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I won't comment on your first point, though I do believe that the Star Wars note should be added to the trivia section, especially since articles on episodes have similar notes. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 01:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Thanks for input. I put it on the page, so let's see how it goes. I'm still waiting for comment on the first topic I put. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 01:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== New Articles ==

I suggest the creation of (at least) 3 new articles: one for Clone Pokemon, one for the clone Pikachu, and one for the clone Meowth. The clone Pikachu and Meowth deserve their own pages because they have personalities and abilities distinct from their originals. A page on Clone Pokemon can refer to Pokemon created by Mewtwo and the his creators, as well as Fossil Pokemon. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 02:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Mewtwo Returns

2009-07-30T02:18:39Z

Legionaireb: /* Trivia */

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'''Mewtwo Returns''' (Japanese: '''ミュウツー！{{tt|我|われ}}ハココニ{{tt|在|あ}}リ''') is the first feature-length special of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on December 30, 2000. It was then released on DVD in the US on December 5, 2001.

{{spoilers}}
==Synopsis==
[[Image:30284.jpg|thumb|left|DVD cover]]Mewtwo, his heart having been softened by the selfless example of the human named [[Ash Ketchum]] back in his birthland in the eastern [[Kanto]] region, has now traveled to the western region of [[Johto]] in search of a locale that is unreachable by the prying eyes and harsh judgments of humans for the sake of his band of cloned Pokémon, whose welfare Mewtwo is entirely concerned about. He eventually finds the perfect hideaway: a huge mountain named Mt. Quena, surrounded by steep cliffs that are practically impossible to scale, but in its top is a forest and a freshwater lake that makes for a near-utopia for all the {{t|Bug}} Pokémon living there. This is a perfect fit for Mewtwo’s band, so thus they settle in the top of Mt. Quena and begin a new, safe life, with Mewtwo watching over as their guardian, as he feels they cannot belong in the world as they were not born in it (Interestingly enough, he seems particularly close to the {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Meowth}} clones, spending most of his private time with them, possibly reflecting how important their templates were in his change of heart).

But [[Giovanni]] has never forgotten about Mewtwo’s betrayal, and has been concocting a military plan of assault upon wherever Mewtwo has settled to take the Pokémon back for himself. He at last locates Mewtwo in his new mountain retreat and begins his operation to assault and capture Mewtwo and bend his will to Giovanni’s. The Team Rocket combat unit heads towards Mt. Quena.

Ash, [[Misty]], [[Brock]], {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{TP|Misty|Togepi}}, on their Pokémon journey as always, are now passing through the area around Mt. Quena, but complications with the weather and the bus service force them to stay at a cabin at the foot of the mountain, where they meet the Pokémon naturalist Luna Carson, medical researcher Cullen Calix and a spunky girl, [[Domino]] from the Pokémon Institute. But there’s a break-in and attempted thievery of Pikachu by the classic antics of the Team Rocket trio Jessie, James, and Meowth, and soon a series of turbulent events involving a scuffle on a hot air balloon, leads everyone into the airspace of Mt. Quena.

There everyone sees the approaching Combat Unit, and Domino, revealing herself in league with Team Rocket Organization as elite Agent 009 (or, as she calls herself, The Black Tulip, due to her use of explosive black tulips as weapons), pops their balloon and sends everyone else plummeting onto the mountain while she returns to Giovanni to report on Mewtwo’s status. While Ash and the other humans make a canoe to travel to the island at the center of Mt. Quena's lake, Pikachu and Team Rocket end up confronting the clones, Pikachu's clone rallying the other clones to fight back. While Jessie and James are locked away in a cave, Pikachu and Meowth fight alongside the clones as Giovanni’s operation to capture Mewtwo begins in earnest, with Ash and his friends and enemies caught up in the core of it. Although Mewtwo manages to free the clones that the initial attack manages to capture in Poké Balls, Giovanni eventually succeeds in capturing Mewtwo with the threat that the other Pokémon clones would be his to capture and flog if Mewtwo didn’t comply, attacking and injuring Pikachu and its clone to prove his willingness to got through with his threat. With Ash and the Pokémon Clones in custody, Giovanni’s operation is successful, and he immediately capitalizes by ordering the construction of a new Team Rocket base on the mountain, while Mewtwo is attacked by two machines designed to drain his power and will and leave him nothing more than Giovanni's puppet.

The characters and all other cloned Pokémon that attempted to protect Mewtwo are then locked away in a prison cell- during which Ash is reunited with Pikachu- along with the cloned Rhyhorn and Nidoqueen, who were attempting to protect their offspring. However, Giovanni’s greed for new Team Rocket bases becomes his worst mistake; without warning, a swarm of furious Bug Pokémon (which Meowth realized were coming thanks to the words of the other Pokémon) from the mountain sabotages the Team Rocket base that is polluting the freshwater lake, and the ensuing chaos allows Ash and everyone with him to escape and scatter.

Ash rushes over to Mewtwo, believing that this is the first time he’s seen Mewtwo, and he, Brock and the Pikachu try to free Mewtwo from the machines that are suppressing his mind and body, partly as thanks for Mewtwo protecting Pikachu earlier. However, Mewtwo is weak from using what was left of his power and strength to destroy the machines that held him, putting his life force in jeopardy, but Ash carries Mewtwo away from Giovanni’s battle while Brock, Misty and the other clones, along with the {{type2|Bug}} Pokémon keep Team Rocket occupied.

As Ash, {{AP|Bulbasaur}} and {{AP|Chikorita}} help Mewtwo towards safety, Mewtwo asks Ash why he's helping him, to which Ash replies that, while Mewtwo protecting Pikachu is one possible explanation, you don't need a reason to help someone in trouble. Mewtwo reflects that Ash may be one-of-a-kind, but Ash says that everyone is. As they reach the heart of the mountain, despite protests that Mewtwo's presence may contaminate the spring, Ash throws Mewtwo into a healing spring that restores his power, prompting Mewtwo to finally accept that he is a real Pokémon, as the water affects him just as it affected others. Restored to full power, the Pokémon clone rises and uses all his psychic powers to move the lake and the spring underground.

Although Mewtwo initially contemplates erasing the memories of everyone involved, Ash, Meowth, and their friends object, Meowth pointing out that the Pokémon clones need to remember their past if they're to have any kind of future, Ash assures Mewtwo that he would keep the sanctuary's existence secret at any rate, and Brock points out that erasing memories doesn't change the fact that the events happened. Acknowledging their wisdom, Mewtwo only uses his mind-erasing powers to make Giovanni and the rest of the Team Rocket operatives forget about Mewtwo and the clones, subsequently departs on his own as all the cloned Pokémon leave to lead life as natural Pokémon in the wild, sending Ash and co. in a Pikachu balloon and Jessie, James and Meowth in their normal balloon. As Ash, Misty and Brock were walking through a city, Ash hears Mewtwo's voice, but is uncertain whether it was real or just a memory. The Narrator concludes the movie with the rumors of a Pokémon who traversed the city at night.

==Major events==
*{{Ash}}, [[Misty]], [[Brock]], [[Jessie]], and [[James]] meet {{an|Mewtwo}} again after the events of ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', and this time are allowed to remember the encounter (although it is never revealed whether or not they now remember their original meeting with him)
*Ash, Misty, and Brock meet [[Giovanni]].

===Debuts===

==Characters==
===Humans===
*{{Ash}}
*[[Misty]]
*[[Brock]]
*[[Jessie]]
*[[James]]
*[[Giovanni]]
*[[Luna Carson]]
*[[Cullen Calix]]
*[[Domino]]
*[[Luka Carson]] ''(Japanese, unnamed in dub)''

===Pokémon===
*{{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
*{{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
*{{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
*{{p|Chikorita}} ({{OP|Ash|Chikorita}})
*{{p|Goldeen}} ({{OP|Misty|Goldeen}})
*{{p|Staryu}} ({{OP|Misty|Staryu}})
*{{p|Poliwhirl}} ({{OP|Misty|Poliwhirl}})
*{{p|Onix}} ({{OP|Brock|Onix}})
*{{p|Geodude}} ({{OP|Brock|Geodude}})
*{{p|Golbat}} ({{OP|Brock|Golbat}})
*{{p|Pineco}} ({{OP|Brock|Pineco}})
*{{p|Persian}} ({{OP|Giovanni|Persian}})
*{{p|Mewtwo}} ([[Mewtwo (anime)|anime]])
*Pikachu (clone)
*Meowth (clone)
*{{p|Charizard}} (clone)
*Bulbasaur (clone)
*{{p|Squirtle}} (clone)
*{{p|Psyduck}} (clone)
*{{p|Vulpix}} (clone)
*{{p|Nidoqueen}} (clone)
*{{p|Gyarados}} (clone)
*{{p|Golduck}} (clone)
*{{p|Tentacruel}} (clone)
*{{p|Seadra}} (clone)
*{{p|Vaporeon}} (clone)
*{{p|Venusaur}} (clone)
*{{p|Sandslash}} (clone)
*{{p|Pidgeot}} (clone)
*{{p|Hitmonlee}} (clone)
*{{p|Rhyhorn}} (clone)
*{{p|Scyther}} (clone and wild)
*{{p|Blastoise}} (clone)
*{{p|Wigglytuff}} (clone)
*{{p|Ninetales}} (clone)
*{{p|Vileplume}} (clone)
*{{p|Ninetales}} (clone)
*{{p|Rapidash}} (clone)
*{{p|Butterfree}} (wild)
*{{p|Ledian}} (wild)
*{{p|Kakuna}} (wild)
*{{p|Beedrill}} (wild)

==Trivia==
*This special premiered in Japan between the episodes ''[[EP178|The Grass Route]]'' and ''[[EP179|The Apple Corp!]]''
*This special has never been aired in Britain, even though a [[dub]] exists, and it's been released on VHS and DVD there.
*{{MTR}}'s clone was never dubbed, saying its Japanese name of ''Nyarth''. It is unknown why this happened.
*During the conversation between Ash's Pikachu, the clone Pikachu, and Mewtwo (immediatly following Pikachu's arrival on the island), James comments "This is like the sequel to a movie I missed." Breaking the fourth wall, this comment is essentially true, since James does not recall the events of 'Mewtwo Strikes Back.'

===Errors===
*The clone {{p|Nidoqueen}} and {{p|Rhyhorn}} are shown to have had babies, however, the babies appear as baby Rhyhorn and baby Nidoqueen, while in the games, not only is Nidoqueen unable to produce [[Pokémon egg|egg]]s, but if she could, the babies would ''all'' be [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|the earliest member of her evolutionary line]]. However, this may relate to their nature as clones, although the fact Ash and co. didn't question their existence (or know about the clones yet) would suggest it was simply an error or that the anime has different rules than the games.
*When the clones are captured by Team Rocket's [[Poké Ball]]s, they are shown being captured as white energy instead of red energy which is shown in all other cases - again, this could be attributed to their nature as clones.
*Team Rocket's [[Poké Ball]]s vanish upon releasing the captured clones - although this may have been meant to signify their destruction by Mewtwo.

===Dub edits===

===In other languages===
*French: '''{{tt|Pokémon: Le Retour de Mewtwo|Pokémon: The Return of Mewtwo}}'''
*Iberian Spanish: '''{{tt|Pokémon Mewtwo: El Regreso|Pokémon Mewtwo: The Return}}'''
*Dutch: '''{{tt|Pokémon de Terugkeer Van Mewtwo|Return From the Pokémon Mewtwo}}'''
*German: '''{{tt|Pokémon: Mewtu kehrt zurück|Pokémon: Mewtwo returns}}'''
*Brazilian Portuguese: '''{{tt|O Retorno de Mewtwo|The Return of Mewtwo}}'''

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304564/ ''Pokémon: Mewtwo Returns'' at IMDb]

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Talk:Mewtwo Returns

2009-07-30T02:13:16Z

Legionaireb: /* New Error? */

I see both, Team Wasaki and Team OTA mentioned in the ending. Wouldn't this mean that both have to named in the info box? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 02:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

== Giovanni and Ash ==

Isn't this the only time our main protagonist and main (er, kinda...) antagonist even encounter each other, no matter how briefly? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:Probably...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 07:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::If Ash being hidden from Giovanni's viewpoint by Onix can be classified as an encounter... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Nope, he was definitely seen by Giovanni beforehand (He was seen talking to them about how Mewtwo belongs to him, Misty and Brock yell that he doesn't and they won't allow him to harm Mewtwo any longer, and THEN they unleash their pokemon on Giovanni), and even IF he wasn't exactly seen them beforehand, Giovanni was tipped off on who the kids were by [[Domino]] (In the Japanese version, at least, though don't take my word for it.).

== Japanese title ==

I do not know the Japanese title but, knowing Japanese, 我ハココニ在り　should probably be 我はここに在り. I'm guessing the use of 我 instead of 俺, 僕, or 私　and 在り instead of あり is a statement about Mewtwo's character but I think the first thing I pointed out was a typing error. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A6%E3%83%84%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%81%E6%88%91%E3%83%8F%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8B%E5%9C%A8%E3%83%AA-%E6%9D%BE%E6%9C%AC%E6%A2%A8%E9%A6%99/dp/B00005L9DV It's completely correct]. And using katakana instead of hiragana like that isn't incorrect--just old-fashioned.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

== Luka Carson ==

Is Luka the bus driver? (No, Luka =/= Luna; ANN confirms two different VAs for both.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Major Events ==

in the dub, at the end when Mewtwo decides to let ash and co. remember their encounter Ash says "and this time we'll both remember meeting each other" or something to that point so that could mean that they were told about what happened in Mewtwo Strikes Back. At least in the dub --[[User:Dion24|D i]] [[User talk:Dion24|o n]] [[Special:Contributions/Dion24|2 4]] 01:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

==New Error?==
Hey,When I was watching this movie I noticed that when team rocket is in the ballon(at the begginging of the movie) And james is holding ash's pikachu,Pikachu is supposed to be wraped in that wire thingy but its not there in that scene....
:Um...proof??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 03:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Watch the beginning.I saw it last Saturday,and it only took like 5 minute's Check it out is it an error?[[User:Bluepika!!!|Bluepika!!!]] 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I reviewed the entire scene, from when James wrapped Pikachu in the cable to when the balloon crashed into the island. In any shot when you could see below Pikachu's chin, you can see the cable, including when James has Pikachu tucked under his shoulder (you can see it in the crook of James' arm). [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 02:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:M01

2009-07-30T01:55:22Z

Legionaireb: /* Mewtwo's Origin for rating? */

Talk:M01

2009-07-30T01:52:06Z

Legionaireb: /* Two issues */

The CGI effects were made for the Japanese DVD of it and not for the dub. --Qwertybub3 02:32, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
:Seeing as the DVD was only released in 2000 and the Japanese VHS with the CGI in late 1999, I'm inclined to think the dub got the new CGI first. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 12:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, something was said on the audio commentary about the CGI being added for the dub. Yes, I listen to audio commentaries. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Who's that pokemon? ==

In the error section of this page it says that meowth gave the wrong names of pokemon. What If he meant to do that, not making it an error?
: I agree, but I thought [[Team Rocket]] made the mistake? Anyway, it only shows their lack of knowledge when it comes to [[Pokémon]] silhouettes, if you catch my drift ... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
:: He didn't do that in the original version, only in the English dub. Don't believe that excuse Michael Haigney and Norman Grossfeld gave that they were trying to make Team Rocket look stupid. They're only trying to cover for their mistakes. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 00:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::: Ahh, I haven't seen the Japanese (original) version, I wouldn't understand it anyway. However, have you noticed that, [[James]] has a great knowledge of Pokémon? Probably from all of those tutors from his childhood... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::::This is what is actually said in the commentary:
::"''That is a mistake that we made. We actually made a mistake when we did the first draft of the script and we actually recorded that incorrectly. We did catch ourselves.''"
::"''Right. I think the son of the sound effects editor noticed it watching the film.''"
::"''Right. And [this] was before it was completely done and [he] pointed it out to us and we ultimately made - maybe it was laziness or maybe it was genius, I don't know (laughs) - decided to keep the mistake in: a) to make something fun for the kids to spot and also we realised that, well, would Team Rocket actually know every Pokémon and be experts to see the silhouettes and point them out correctly? And we decided ultimately that they can make a mistake so we can make a mistake.''"
::::That is a long way from your claims, PAK Man, so lay off the 4Kids bashing.
::::As for James's knowledge, that is something that has been developed since movie 1. Were his cards even seen before AG? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blastoise, Charizard, Venusaur ==

If I remember right, didn't Mewtwo have those clones pre-made, and then just faced them off against Shellshocker, Ash's Charizard, and Bruteroot? That'd mean that Togepi wasn't the only uncloned Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, he did already have them.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::<s>That doesn't mean they ''weren't'' uncloned. In the Origin of Mewtwo, they were Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo, all cloned by Dr. Fuji.</s> {{unsigned|PH1RESTRIKE|21:59, 11 February 2009}}
:::Oh wait, scratch that. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fearow Trainer? ==

"When the three other Pokémon trainers are taking off, Cory is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow."

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I remember on a fansite, they claimed that it's a different trainer. The Fearow trainer is a girl, too. I think she's in a crowd a few minutes before the trainers leave for New Island.

Oh, and I think that the DVD commentary confirms this, and that she didn't make it to the island. [[User:Seritinajii|Seritinajii]] 12:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this as well, cuz I zoomed in on the trainer and i think it was som blonde girl with pigtails that you can see near while Officer Jenny was talking. [[User:ShellShocker|ShellShocker]] 10:34, 29 July 2008

== Only film canon to the anime? ==

At least in non-Japanese languages, I'm sure Ash remembers having seen a Lugia from the Orange Islands when he meets [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|Silver]] and its parent. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Okay then. Go ahead and add it; I guess I forgot that.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::The question is, why would any of them not be? Sure, Ash may not remember exactly, but remember, the show can't just assume everyone's seen all of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, yeah, that's why I used "''confirmed'' as canon," since the other movies may very well be, but it's not obvious because, like the majority of anime movies, the main series may not show any sort of acknowledgment of things that happened in movies.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but then again, sometimes, the series doesn't even acknowledge it's own episodes, no matter how important they really are (eg. Ash forgetting what the P1 Grand Prix was in the Tyrogue episode despite participating, becoming champion of, and loaning his [[Primeape|champ pokemon]] to the runner up, May claiming that she used Skitty in the Fallabor contest when she actually used Beautifly, Ash forgetting double battles despite the fact that the reason why he won HALF of the Orange League Badges IS because of Double Battles, etc, etc.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Origin for rating? ==

I don't get it, how could "Mewtwo's Origin" prevent the theatrical version from keeping its "G" rating? [[Image:Ani384MS.gif]][[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 07:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mewtwo's Origin" is a little dark for younger audiences. [[User:Animine|Animine]] 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Just a question. ==

Anybody know who composed the music/background music for this movie? D: [[User:Takoto|Takoto!]] 11:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Team Aqua Logo? ==

I watched the movie on VHS after reading this aritcle and I think the Trivia should be changed. The so called logo on the bandana is simply a skull and cross bones not an "A". If it was related to anything it should say that it resembles a koffing. Thats my opinion. [[User:Rucario64]]
:Opinion goes on forums. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:35 1 Jul 2008'''''

It is neither the Team Aqua logo, nor a normal Skull and Crossbones. The emblem on the trainers head is the emblem that appears on the stomach of the pokemon Koffing and Weezing. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 04:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Retcon? ==

Looking back at Ash's revival, it may have been the power of Aura that revived him. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 12:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have proof? the only thing i remember that revived him were the tears of the Pokémon that cried when they saw him turn to stone; just as the legend said. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Okay, so I'm a bit confused about the short "Mewtwo's origin"...there is a CD drama, right? is that just a plain audio CD? If so, then what is the 12 minute clip that was cut from the dubbed version of the 1st movie? And what's with Madam Boss and Miyamoto? All i know is Miyamoto saw Mew in the mountains and hasn't been heard from again. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity ==

I know that there are conventions that determine where the movies take place in the Pokemon storyline, and that said conventions place this movie between The Pi-Kahuna and Make Room For Gloom, but I believe it takes place much later: Specifically, between Pallet Party Panic and A Scare in the Air. My material evidence is that when the brainwashed Nurse Joy in the movie requests that Ash and company release all their pokemon, there is no sign of Pidgeotto. Less concrete is my feeling that, up to the point of The Pi-Kahuna, Ash had not accomplished anything that would have gained him sufficient notoriety to cause trainers from as far away as Johto (as indicated by the presence of a Donphan in the party of the trainer that challenges Ash in the movie's opening) to specifically seek Ash out. It would require a feat as significant as placing in the top 16 of his first Pokemon League Competition. I would like others to weigh in on this issue. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 05:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:Just because someone has a non-native Poke to the current region, doesn't mean they're from that region, sure it seems like that alot, but it doesn't always have to...Just sayin...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

==Two issues==
One user added the fact that Ash's Charizard obeyed him in this movie, but I don't find it believable because Ash never gave orders to Charizard and that Charizard attacked Mewtwo without warning. Does anybody agree?

Also, would it be proper to mention that the movie's dub title is a reference to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I won't comment on your first point, though I do believe that the Star Wars note should be added to the trivia section, especially since articles on episodes have similar notes. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 01:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:M01

2009-07-24T05:10:59Z

Legionaireb: /* Continuity */ new section

The CGI effects were made for the Japanese DVD of it and not for the dub. --Qwertybub3 02:32, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
:Seeing as the DVD was only released in 2000 and the Japanese VHS with the CGI in late 1999, I'm inclined to think the dub got the new CGI first. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 12:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, something was said on the audio commentary about the CGI being added for the dub. Yes, I listen to audio commentaries. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Who's that pokemon? ==

In the error section of this page it says that meowth gave the wrong names of pokemon. What If he meant to do that, not making it an error?
: I agree, but I thought [[Team Rocket]] made the mistake? Anyway, it only shows their lack of knowledge when it comes to [[Pokémon]] silhouettes, if you catch my drift ... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
:: He didn't do that in the original version, only in the English dub. Don't believe that excuse Michael Haigney and Norman Grossfeld gave that they were trying to make Team Rocket look stupid. They're only trying to cover for their mistakes. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 00:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::: Ahh, I haven't seen the Japanese (original) version, I wouldn't understand it anyway. However, have you noticed that, [[James]] has a great knowledge of Pokémon? Probably from all of those tutors from his childhood... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::::This is what is actually said in the commentary:
::"''That is a mistake that we made. We actually made a mistake when we did the first draft of the script and we actually recorded that incorrectly. We did catch ourselves.''"
::"''Right. I think the son of the sound effects editor noticed it watching the film.''"
::"''Right. And [this] was before it was completely done and [he] pointed it out to us and we ultimately made - maybe it was laziness or maybe it was genius, I don't know (laughs) - decided to keep the mistake in: a) to make something fun for the kids to spot and also we realised that, well, would Team Rocket actually know every Pokémon and be experts to see the silhouettes and point them out correctly? And we decided ultimately that they can make a mistake so we can make a mistake.''"
::::That is a long way from your claims, PAK Man, so lay off the 4Kids bashing.
::::As for James's knowledge, that is something that has been developed since movie 1. Were his cards even seen before AG? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blastoise, Charizard, Venusaur ==

If I remember right, didn't Mewtwo have those clones pre-made, and then just faced them off against Shellshocker, Ash's Charizard, and Bruteroot? That'd mean that Togepi wasn't the only uncloned Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, he did already have them.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::<s>That doesn't mean they ''weren't'' uncloned. In the Origin of Mewtwo, they were Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo, all cloned by Dr. Fuji.</s> {{unsigned|PH1RESTRIKE|21:59, 11 February 2009}}
:::Oh wait, scratch that. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fearow Trainer? ==

"When the three other Pokémon trainers are taking off, Cory is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow."

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I remember on a fansite, they claimed that it's a different trainer. The Fearow trainer is a girl, too. I think she's in a crowd a few minutes before the trainers leave for New Island.

Oh, and I think that the DVD commentary confirms this, and that she didn't make it to the island. [[User:Seritinajii|Seritinajii]] 12:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this as well, cuz I zoomed in on the trainer and i think it was som blonde girl with pigtails that you can see near while Officer Jenny was talking. [[User:ShellShocker|ShellShocker]] 10:34, 29 July 2008

== Only film canon to the anime? ==

At least in non-Japanese languages, I'm sure Ash remembers having seen a Lugia from the Orange Islands when he meets [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|Silver]] and its parent. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Okay then. Go ahead and add it; I guess I forgot that.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::The question is, why would any of them not be? Sure, Ash may not remember exactly, but remember, the show can't just assume everyone's seen all of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, yeah, that's why I used "''confirmed'' as canon," since the other movies may very well be, but it's not obvious because, like the majority of anime movies, the main series may not show any sort of acknowledgment of things that happened in movies.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but then again, sometimes, the series doesn't even acknowledge it's own episodes, no matter how important they really are (eg. Ash forgetting what the P1 Grand Prix was in the Tyrogue episode despite participating, becoming champion of, and loaning his [[Primeape|champ pokemon]] to the runner up, May claiming that she used Skitty in the Fallabor contest when she actually used Beautifly, Ash forgetting double battles despite the fact that the reason why he won HALF of the Orange League Badges IS because of Double Battles, etc, etc.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Origin for rating? ==

I don't get it, how could "Mewtwo's Origin" prevent the theatrical version from keeping its "G" rating? [[Image:Ani384MS.gif]][[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 07:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mewtwo's Origin" is a little dark for younger audiences. [[User:Animine|Animine]] 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Just a question. ==

Anybody know who composed the music/background music for this movie? D: [[User:Takoto|Takoto!]] 11:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Team Aqua Logo? ==

I watched the movie on VHS after reading this aritcle and I think the Trivia should be changed. The so called logo on the bandana is simply a skull and cross bones not an "A". If it was related to anything it should say that it resembles a koffing. Thats my opinion. [[User:Rucario64]]
:Opinion goes on forums. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:35 1 Jul 2008'''''

It is neither the Team Aqua logo, nor a normal Skull and Crossbones. The emblem on the trainers head is the emblem that appears on the stomach of the pokemon Koffing and Weezing. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 04:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Retcon? ==

Looking back at Ash's revival, it may have been the power of Aura that revived him. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 12:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have proof? the only thing i remember that revived him were the tears of the Pokémon that cried when they saw him turn to stone; just as the legend said. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Okay, so I'm a bit confused about the short "Mewtwo's origin"...there is a CD drama, right? is that just a plain audio CD? If so, then what is the 12 minute clip that was cut from the dubbed version of the 1st movie? And what's with Madam Boss and Miyamoto? All i know is Miyamoto saw Mew in the mountains and hasn't been heard from again. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity ==

I know that there are conventions that determine where the movies take place in the Pokemon storyline, and that said conventions place this movie between The Pi-Kahuna and Make Room For Gloom, but I believe it takes place much later: Specifically, between Pallet Party Panic and A Scare in the Air. My material evidence is that when the brainwashed Nurse Joy in the movie requests that Ash and company release all their pokemon, there is no sign of Pidgeotto. Less concrete is my feeling that, up to the point of The Pi-Kahuna, Ash had not accomplished anything that would have gained him sufficient notoriety to cause trainers from as far away as Johto (as indicated by the presence of a Donphan in the party of the trainer that challenges Ash in the movie's opening) to specifically seek Ash out. It would require a feat as significant as placing in the top 16 of his first Pokemon League Competition. I would like others to weigh in on this issue. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 05:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4

2009-07-23T04:58:06Z

Legionaireb: /* I'm going to get decked by Tavisource for this... */

<big><big><big>ASH'S AGE IS INDETERMINATE! AS OF EPISODE 1, HE IS 10 AS FAR AS IT'S KNOWN! PLEASE DO NOT POST ABOUT IT!</big></big></big>
== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]

== Trivia ==

In the trivia it says about Ash never catching a Pokemon when he has 6 in his party and then gives many exceptions, hardly a worthy piece of trivia, I would suggest removing it but I am afraid of back-lash from other users, so can anyone give their consensus. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 20:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Krabby was at the beginning, there are 30 of those Tauros and Beedrill went straight to Casey. I think the fact is worth mentioning but I'm not sure how to reword it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::If thirty Tauros at once counts as many exceptions... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

==Ash Sprite==
I made a sprite of Ash: [[Image:Ash_Sprite.png]] I used Lucas (since they are very similar) and changed some features. How is it?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 20:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I say very good!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Kuki, you should talk to my younger brother, [[User:Diamaster|Diamaster]]. Does anyone have anything else for me to make?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

How about we go through it together? Oh, how about giving [[Mimey]] a broom in its sprite on [[Delia]]'s page?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'll get to it. Feel free to e-mail me anytime you come with an idea. You are like my manager, or somewhat my boss. This works well.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Should we start from the beginning?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I've just finished [[Mimey|Mimey's]] sprite. I'm ready for the list!--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: It's good but is there any point of putting that in the Article? --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Actually, last time we did this to Tyson's Meowth, the Cat got the Boot (Geddit? Geddit? Oh forget it...) '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:11 6 Jun 2008'''''
:::I have to agree... the sprites are neat (sort of; I've definitely seen better), but they don't really belong in the articles. Just because a Pokémon dresses differently doesn't mean it's not the same Pokémon. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 05:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::All he was trying to do was give the Pokémon some individuality. I'm not sure I'm for the modified sprites of humans but we should let the Pokémon stay. Especially if they are tweaked just so slightly that it barely makes a difference. Like Ash's Sceptile. You can't say that looked bad. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I understand that. And I guess the less obtrusive ones are OK (this is all just my opinion, anyway). But don't put "sprite by Taviource" on the pages; that's just advertising, which shouldn't be in the main namespace. It's fine that you put it on the images themselves; that way, people who are interested in the sprites can follow them to you, and people who aren't don't think you're a {{tt|whore|apologies if you find the word offensive}}. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 06:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that was a little out-of-bounds on his part. Still I think the Pokémon ones are cool.--[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I can't say that Sceptile looks bad but I can say that it looks incorrect since it had a different twig to Treecko/Grovyle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but i just dont think that traviource's edits ar good enough.I personally think that they should be put back to normal or if it's allowed, http://pokesho.com/icon.html has really nice personalized sprites.I know there's a copyright rule but if you translate the page it says: Pokemon Icon Collection Freedom to use. Anywway, i dont know, but that was my thought.--Riot464

We want them to b somewhat, actuall mostly based off the games.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sweet! Pokemonboy 08:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you used Red as a scratch, not Lucas. -Metagross72

Remarkable!--adyniz 12:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it looks like Ash if he were in Pokemon Emerald -Usyflad10

== Sun Stone ==
does anyone know what happened to his sun stone from the bug catching contest? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 23:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

He used it on a Sunkern in [[EP187]]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not much of a waste since Misty missed the [[Oddish (Pokémon)|"Water-type"]] she tried to catch in [[EP010]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Alternate Sprites ==

Oh, since we're on the subject, let's change the MS sprites too! >.> No, seriously, what difference would it make even if we DID have alternate sprites? The best we could do is {{u|Shiny Noctowl}}, and it's an official sprite. Squirtle appeared mostly without its glasses, thus, GET RID OF THEM. Primape and the belt? Wow! The belt got stuck on him for ten minutes and you already want to put it there??? Seriously, folks, ARE WE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES OR WHAT? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:38 7 Jun 2008'''''

: In my opinion, we shouldn't be using these altered sprites. As Optimus35 pointed out, most of these alterations are things that appeared for a few minutes in a few episodes. More importantly, the Bulbapedia is ''not'' a place for fan art. If the artist is trying to showcase their art, the Bulbapedia is not the way to do it. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 12:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

:: I concur, sort of. Taivource does seem to be on a "Everyone behold my cool sprites." binge. Kenji-girl seems to like the Treecko-line ones, though (and to be fair, they are good). [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Just because we're an encyclopedia of Pokémon doesn't mean every sprite on every page has to be EXACTLY out of a game, does it? '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::If it was a commonly re-occurring theme, then an alternate sprite singles it out as unique, which could be gathered from what I know about the Treeko and evolutions. [[User:Gywall|Gywall]] 13:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

WE ARE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES, except for the trainer ones, and I actually might've put the yellow stars on Janina's Onix. And, for example Taisei's Piplup wore the tiara all episode--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 13:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

: OH, ARE WE NOW? Thanks for being so open to discussion, Kuki. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

What's that supposed to mean. And Squirtle's glasses, as leader of the squirtle Squad, he's wearing them all the time probably--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 13:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:''If'' it is a significant part of their character design (eg. Noctowl, Treecko/Grovyle without the flower/Sceptile, maybe Squirtle) it is worth featuring the altered sprites. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly they are not just any ordinary Squirtle, Onix, Piplup, or Dustox, there is a special piece of design that seperates them from the ordinary ones. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 17:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Exactly. They each have their own significant and reminds us all about all the good times in the anime.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 17:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Plus, Dustox, Squirtle, Primeape, and Butterfree belong/ed to main characters. And remember how we did an alternate sprite for {{an|May}}'s Venusaur as a Bulbasaur--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::We did?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 17:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Not we, but Bulbapedia as a community. The link is there, hover over Bulbasaur, and voila! PROOF!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:For the record, I entirely disagree with the Onix sprite. (She tried cheating one time and then had to wash it off.) But this is Ash's talk page so let's stick to those sprites here. The consensus seems to be to keep the alternate sprites and they don't hurt. Are there any valid reasons to not have them? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Also, Grovyle needs to lose the flower and Sceptile's twig needs correcting. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Remember, shortly b4 Grovyle evolved, the flower bloomed? Thus the flower stays!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was actually wwhen Meganium used Synthesis--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::But that is the main point against some of the sprites: It was a normal twig for almost the entire time it was on the show. For the character design argument to work, you have to actually show its normal character design. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::But what if he changes the twig? Can the sprites stay? '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 18:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, it just needs a little editing. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

::Sceptile can have less attention. But what about Nurse Joy's Chansey with the hat? That also keeps on getting deleted.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 18:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::This is not Nurse Joy's page, but that is also a common character design. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I fixed Joy's page, and added the Pokémon she gave to Stephanie and her dad in AGO34--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright. Thanks, Fabu-Vinny. Thanks, Kuki....but can I fix the Sceptile sprite?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 18:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, cuz I dunno how--KukiTalk

:This is getting downright ridiculous. What do a few pixels matter? I agree with Squirtle and the Treecko family, but Butterfree with scarf and Primeape with belt? Guys, PLEASE, stop having so many alternate sprites!!!
:And, I thought I removed Grovyle's flower. Please, people. Keep this up and we'll eternally ban you from the archives (and Bulbapedia, I guess...) if you keep reuploading and uploading thesep ics. I know you put much effort into them but...They're putting quite a load on the server. That's why there are 26,570 files in the Archive while we only need 26000. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:16 8 Jun 2008'''''
::I kinda agree, especially because they're low quality sprites. Take it from someone who has been spriting for a long time. They aren't good. tc26 02:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You are totally unfair! The majority of support is for the alternate sprites and then you threaten them with blocking because they don't agree with you. I know we are not the same as Wikipedia but on wiki we have consensus where the majority of support wins, or is this an admin dictatorship. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 08:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:You do realise that your 'majority' is completely made out of inexperienced users (Excluding Kuki and PL12, who I consider adequate in MediaWIki skills) who barely know that <nowiki></nowiki> will give you text in Comic Sans. People! In the past year (Let's call it the Jurassic), plenty of things have happened. Several vandal attacks. Several fake vandals (Including this account -anime sweatdrop-). These helped to mature our users. Your 'majority' arrived about the late Cretaceous. You know what would happen if you keep it up? That's right. The {{wp|Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event}}. Do you want Bulbapedia to overload? Do you want our hard work to fall through the hole? People! If you want to change Bulbapedia's standards, GET YER OWN WIKI!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:23 9 Jun 2008'''''
:: Don't be so melodramatic. The community as a whole is keeping a better eye on it than that... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Kuki is an experienced user???????????????????? [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 10:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Kenji-Girl supports alternate sprites, she is very profesional. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 10:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:And your point is? [[User:Crystallucario|~'''Crystal''']][[User talk:Crystallucario|~'''Lucario~''']] 11:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd navigated this site before becoming a user--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

My point Crystal, is that earlier the comment was made that only un-experienced users supported these sprites and Kenji-Girl is more profesional than most and has common sense, '''and doesn't jump to conclusions''' which is more than can be said {{tt|for some|Darth Cookie Monster, who I thought was my friend until he started constantly insulting me}} [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 18:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm an admin and I support some of the sprites...
:But things really need to calm down here. It certainly isn't worth creating a riot over. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks and I agree with you now.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 19:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, we should keep the squirtle and butterfree sprites, since that was how they were last seen.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I concur Ampharos. The squirtle and butterfree sprites should be kept, but not primeape's belt or buneary's vest. We are getting way too far out there..... --[[User:Cat2killer|Catu42]] 22:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Why is Butterfree more special than Primeape? Also, the argument against the vest has weakened now that Buneary wears it so frequently. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==That last piece of trivia==

For some reason I can't delete that piece of trivia at he bottom of the list and Ireally need to for one simple reason. Its totally wrong. It can't be a trend of Ash catching a flying type, grass, fire and then water because it happens once! Kanto- bug, flying, grass, fire, water. Thats got bug at the start. Johto- bug, grass, fire, water, flying. Noctowl was caught after cyndaquil and he had heracross. Hoenn- flying, grass, water, fire. Water and fire are the wrong way round. Kanto is a main region and so the battle fronteir arc has only the capture of aipom, a normal tyoe. It can't be a trend if it only happens in 1 region! Because I can't delete it for some reason I implore you to get rid of it. A trend has to happen alot more than once. [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 21:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:You can't delete it because Fabu-Vinny protected the page (have a look at the page history). [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I guessed that was the reason. However that really doesn't stop it being wrong and there [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 16:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ash dressing up ==

In this article it mentions ash's three times cross dressing and his two time having to dress up as fruit. What it doesn't mention is the number of times he has to dress up as an actual pokemon. I can only remember him being Mr. Mime in 'Mr. Mime Time' and as an Octillery in 'Octillery the Outcast'. Im pretty sure there are a few others, can anyone remember, thnx! I just somehow have feeling there may be a few more beside the one's i have said and the one below {{unsigned|Dragonboy}}
:I remember him dressing up as Seviper to teach Nicolai's Zangoose how to battle with one. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Electric Tale of Pikachu - Needed Verification ==

Did ash have a Beedrill in Electric Tale of Pikachu manga? Don't remember it. I think someone spreads fake information. I also don't remember any Mankey traded for a fake map. Can anyone verify these informations? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No he did not. However, in the second issue, he caught a Mankey, which he did trade for a map. It wasn't actually fake, just very poorly drawn. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 20:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Agh so close to hitting it... ==

But still under the wondrous 10% of all Pokémon. C'mon, Chimchar, evolve soon! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

In the article, it says :
"The most badges Ash has ever gotten in the first thirty-five episodes were five badges in Kanto, which makes sense considering that Kanto was significantly shorter than any other saga (aside from the Orange Island saga and the Battle Frontier saga). In every other region thus far, he has only won two badges in the first thirty-five episodes."
It's wrong : he had 6 badges by EP035, as he won :
Boulder Badge in EP005
Cascade Badge in EP007
Thunder Badge in EP014
Marsh Badge in EP024
Rainbow Badge in EP026
Soul Badge in EP032

== Befriending Movie Pokemon(IMPORTANT) ==

We've discussed this and since May has Manaphy, Max has Jirachi, I think Ash should have Latias and Lucario! Any1 agree?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:In none of that discussion has anyone given a decent reason for why the '''list of Pokémon owned by Ash''' should have a section for Pokémon he was simply friendly with. It has to much potential to get out of hand. May's page has had Manaphy removed before and Max is the exception because he doesn't own any Pokémon to begin with. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:: There should be a befriended part.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::No. There should not be a befriended section. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Ash befriends every Pokemon he finds even when it isn't a movie. So no. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::A "'''Pokémon Ash doesn't like'''" section would be more realistic, and that itself certainly wouldn't be worth putting in the article. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 22:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Matnine Overboard ==
Is it notable that Ash was apparently able to recognize what a Mantine is in "Mantine Overboard" depite having never seen one before? The same thing could be said about Regice in the 8th movie but that could be easily explained; If (off-camera)someone explained Registeel, Regirock, and Regice the only one left was Regice (simple process of elimination). But the Mantine one has me confused. I suppose it's possible Ash saw a Mantine in his past before becoming a trainer. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 18:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that always happens in the anime. They know Pokemon theyve never mentioned or seen b4. Like James and Carnivine. Whenever they go to a new region Brock already knows all the pokemon and what they evolve into despite never mentioning them in the past. [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 18:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:Are you two forgetting that Ash saw one in [[EP214]] and another in [[EP256]]? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

214 is Mantine Overboard, the one Dman Dustin is talking about isnt it? [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 18:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind...That's my fault, (For some reason, I thought he was talking about Steamboat Willies.) ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::Every time a new batch of Pokémon are created, the anime seems to retcon the fact that they have never existed before. When Gen V Pokémon are revealed, the anime will treat them as if they were there from the beginning. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

:TV, Books, and Pokémon games exist in the pokemon world aswell. Also it's not big brother, things would occur off camera and, chances are, if he did see a Mantine in person, it was being minded by Prof. Oak or something like that.
::No matter how it might look shows never show everything frame-by-frame, and neither do movies. Chances are that Ash could see a lot of Pokémon off-camera. And about Brock, I'd assume that he studies about Pokémon off-camera. Also I have never seen a real-life dragon, but that won't stop me from recognizing one if I ever get the chance of seeing one. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== 3 of 4 gym leaders thing ==

In the trivia bit it says 3 of the 4 female Gym Leaders have turtle based pokemon like he does. What region are we talking about as there are way more than 4 female Gym Leaders overall. Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 09:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh I see, 3 of the 4 gym leaders mentioned in the trivia before. Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 09:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

Do [[Leona]] and [[Nando]] qualify as rivals for Ash? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 03:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nando yes. Leona, no. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hurting a Pokémon ==

I can think of at least two occasions Ash has hurt a Pokémon, Drapion in the Riolu special and Squirtle in EP012 (before he caught it). The Advanced Series/Orange Islands are fuzzy for me, I only remember some of the better episodes, can anyone think of any others? {{unsigned|Aura-Knight}}
:Sign your post please. And why are you talking about the Pokémon he's hurt? Just wondering...[[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 13:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::Also, Aura-Knight, he hurt MEOWTH in EP012, not Squirtle. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 16:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== categorised trivia anyone? ==

maybe an "in universe" and "out of universe" sections to seperate character trivia and behind the scenes trivia. maybe even another section for pokemon owned, there's that many [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 23:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

==I hate to open up an old can of worms, but...==
I'm completely against the alternate Primeape and Butterfree sprites. They had the the belt/scarf for less than a whole episode, the episodes they left nonetheless. I think the others are fine since they were frequent parts of their characters (Treecko line's twig, Squirtle's sunglasses somewhat), but the belt and scarf are ridiculous. I'm not going to remove them myself since it's bound to start an edit war, so I'm asking for opinions first. '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 04:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:What i think it is is that weve got to have the most upto date images. The last time they were seen. So if they came back and didnt have them then the alternate sprites would have to be removed. Its like how on {{an|may}} the pic is of her emerald uniform although she spent loads more time in her Ruby uniform, but the most upto date is Emerald, even if it was only for 3 episodes. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 09:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::And for both, it was a signifigant reason that they left, Brock gave the scarf to Butterfree so it could score a mate, thus triggering its departure. Primeape went away to further its abilities after winning because it only really won by a fluke. Butterfree was seen with the scarf later and Primeape with the belt as well. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Not quite, Aura Knight. Primeape is seen without the belt in Spurt, which is the most recent appearence of him, which going by Guardian's logic means that the alternate sprite shouldn't be there. '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 03:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm going to leave this alone, but Primeape needs to lose <s>some weight</s> that belt. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:20 27 Aug 2008'''''
:::::Further, the Butterfree in Spurt ''does'' have Brock's scarf. My stance is that it should be a significant part of their character design for it to count. So it looks like Primeape is losing the belt but Butterfree can stay as-is for now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::i agree with that. thats fair --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 14:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== Manga Clefable ==

While we don't have a befriended section for the anime, we do still list Haunter and Larvitar so precedent can go any way. What is the exact situation for Ash and Clefable in the manga? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:{{tt|Well|Responding to clear up any future doubts on this score, and yes, it is an old comment}}, I actually have that section of Electric Tale that I got with the old school VHS tapes. Ash found Clefairy, tried to capture it, met Bill and Oak, then ended up conking it with a Moon Stone in an evolution ceremony. Belongs in the befriended section as Oak and Bill commented that Clefairy taught Ash about something or other. Very metaphorical. --- Aura-Knight 01:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protection? ==

Why is this page protected again and why until my birthday (Sept. 30)? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:There were multiple reversions over the manga Pokémon list, though none of those involved have actually replied to the above topic... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::I'm going to go through with my original plan and unprotect it now. If anyone still wants to put the befriended section in, give your reasons in the section above before editing the article again. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Why arent the new sprites for Charmander etc. ==
Why arent the new sprites for Charmander etc used??--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:There aren't any new sprites for Charmander, etc. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::THere are according to the charmnder page--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 06:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Then it's just that no one has updated the image yet. [[a:Image:004.png]] is used all over the wiki, not just on this page, you know. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Some butthead uploaded the second frame sprites for a few of the old Pokémon. The Pt sprites for non-Sinnoh dex/non-Gen IV Pokémon did not change. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Who's that nutthead?--[[User:Tavisource/Custom Sprite Project|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 22:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

{{u|Squirtleman}}--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Protect this ==
Please, before the edits ''"OMG Twrtwig evolvezzzz!"'' --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 17:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== New thing for trivia ==

Should it be noted that Ash has died at least three times during the series? 1- The episode with the ghost pokemon, "Tower of Terror" I think, the chandelier fell on him and Pikachu. 2- "Mewtwo Strikes Back," he tried to stop the battle between Mew and Mewtwo and was turned to stone by the attacks. 3- "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew," the Tree of Beginning's "immune system" absorbed him. This is worth mentioning![[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 21:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Not sure if "died" is the right word to use, but I agree, it's worth mentioning. – [[User:RyanCross|'''Ryan'''Cross]] ([[User talk:RyanCross|''talk'']]) 21:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::no, before he was absorbed, Lucario took over. he was fine. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::And it was mentioned before, but it was removed a long time ago. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ash never officially died. He got turned into a ghost temporarily, I don't count that as a death. Turning into stone is not the same thing as dying either. It does sometimes happen in fiction that somebody dies and is recovered back to life by magic, however that did not happen. There was some magic involved when the Pokémon cried at the end of the first movie, but he got turned into stone, that's not the same thing as dying. I have only watched the Lucario movie once, so I'm not sure what to say about that. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, technically the tree "removed" him and the humans. It didn't kill them, otherwise Mew wouldn't have been able to revive them, even with the anime physics. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, If you ask me, if you turn into a ghost, you sort of have to be dead. Stone isn't alive, so Ash woldn't be alive if he's turned to stone- hate to tell you, but that's the same as being dead. As for the tree's immune system, that's controversial, just like if Lucario itself died at the end of the movie. I understand that last, but besides that, Ash dies at least a couple of times.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:You make a good point, trolls die when they get turned into stones. (by trolls I mean the creatures, not spammers) Ok, I have to admit, you really managed to outsmart me with your remarks. But I have one question though, if a person freezes, but gets warmed up, would that count as death? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, not sure, that's more like suspended animation. Unless ice crystals form in the bloodstream.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Temporary Pokémon ==

In regards to both this and [[Misty]]'s article, where Togepi is below her temporarily borrowed Pokémon, I don't see why Temporary comes before Given away (or in Misty's case Released) Pokémon - I would have thought it neater to group the Pokémon that have actually been officially acquired, as opposed to separating them with Pokémon that have only been briefly utilised (and, presumably, not added to their Pokédex). -[[User:Damien Nightstar|Damien Nightstar]] 12:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==Turtwig evolved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!==
can some one change the turwig to grotle and update turtwigs page cuz it evolved! lol [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:No it didn't. That's next week's episode. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

::Besides, there's no guarantee that the change will simply be reflecting an evolution. I sense shades of [[EP081|''Pallet Party Panic'']] here...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::go to serebii.net [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::We have that "Until it airs" policy, so we can't edit anything. Anyway, Merrick =/= 100% Confirmed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::serebii.net jumped the gun on {{TP|May|Glaceon}}, too.

:::::Besides, Bulbapedia's policy is "when it airs" ("it" refers to the episode itself). Not "when it's previewed". As far as we know, Ash's team at the end of the episode could (and probably will) be Pikachu, Staravia, Buizel, Chimchar, and Gliscor with one empty slot (indicating leaving Grotle with the herd). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::ooo , aight [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:::::::ASH ISN'T GOING TO RELEASE GROTLE!
:::::::Anyway, we are in exactly the same situation as we were yesterday. The evolution has been confirmed since the Newtype summary was released. Serebii just updated Ash's bio today because we have a picture of it now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Until it airs police. This is not the first time that a preview spoils something important... is it so diffcult to wait a week? We'll have a Grotle, we know. But wait. Just a week. Serebii is Serebii, it has its own rules, and Bulbapedia is Bulbapedia, we just have to wait --[[User:Nick.|Me]], [[User talk:Nick.|myself]] and [[Special:Contributions/Nick.|I]] 15:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Do I have to remind everyone that Serbii.net is edited by limited amount of people? We cannot guarantee it's correct, sure it has a lot of correct information, but when you see something you know is wrong, you can't just fix it like you can do on this site. This is why I believe "when it airs" policy exists. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::wow u guys are soo serious like why would u wait a week if u know its "confirmed" until it airs?? what a f*cked up rule [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::Because the world will end if Bulbapedia is ever wrong. Do you want the world to end, no, then wait till it airs. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::::Seriously, it's only a week away. Is waiting really that hard? You should see some misleading trailers if you haven't already. If preview and a fansite is all the proof you have, then it can't be confirmed, since fansites can be wrong and previews can be misleading. Just wait a one week, patience is important, especially in this case. It's not like you have to wait a month. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Exactly, I couldnt have put it better TBM, I think we should get a mod to protect the page till next week. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::::::Confirmation isn't the issue here. Newtype's summaries are reliable. We have the rule because sometimes it is more vague and Turtwig is still a Turtwig at the end of the latest episode.
:::::::But information on Serebii's front page is usually right. The issue there is that it's a secondary source - he has the info because he got it from the same place as us. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We knew about Gliscor and Swinub long before they evolved and were captured, you know. We knew Aipom would be evolving in DP060 at the end of DP059. We aren't moving it because the lists are always '''''AS OF THE MOST RECENT JAPANESE EPISODE'''''. The most recent episode was [[DP099]]. Turtwig didn't evolve in that one, ergo, it's Ash's Turtwig. Don't even think of changing it, Ritchie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

TTE and Fabu, are you agreeing with me and TBM or with Ritchie, we say it shouldnt be on there yet, he says it should. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:"Because the world will end if Bulbapedia is ever wrong. Do you want the world to end, no, then wait till it airs."- then why is there such a thing called previews. it was there for a reason. seeing that will give us the urge to watch it and it also about wraps up what will happen on that episode. clearly the episode preview for the turwig,grotle,torterra episode was on serebii and i dont know why u wouldnt agree. can you give me a reason BESIDES that bulbapedia has to wait ill it airs..can u??? [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
*Well, If you want another reason, I'll give you a reason. Sometime ago, way before [[DP034|Buizel your way out of this]] Aired in Japan, they had a preview showing Ash and Pikachu battling it for almost the entire preview, whileas Dawn and Piplup were seen battling Buizel in only one frame, thus implying at that time that Ash was the one capturing it. So, that's one reason why we have that rule. Actually, now that I think about it, that preview [or rather, Buizel itself] IS the reason why we even have that rule. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::They are on your side.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Ritchie, I already gave you my reasons, and they are not just about policy. Would you mind telling me why you don't agree with that? Really, I'd love to know since it's so important to you that it stays on this page. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Name? ==
Do you think it's possible that the English name 'Ash' could have also come from the word 'rash'? Anabel, when translating for Pikachu, did say that sometimes he can act rash, and wasn't it also mentioned in the Pokélantis episode? [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 22:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ash is short for Ashley --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]]
[[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::"Ashley" isn't a reason for the name, unless you think it was chosen with [[EP026]] in mind. His rash attitude is definately an interesting possibility but the examples where it is explicitly mentioned are far later. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Im not trying to argue with you, but Ash is a shortened version for Ashley. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::::Yes it is. But that fact alone isn't the reason 4Kids chose Ash. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree with FabuVinny. And also, GuardianOfEarth, if Ash IS short for Ashley, then why would they pick that name? Is there some kind of reasoning behind that? [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 19:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::I dont know how reliable the source was but I seem to remember it being s'''A'''to'''SH'''i which when the capital letters are rearranged spells Ash. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::::::Er, Guardian? That source is Bulbapedia. This page, in fact. It says that on the bottom. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 22:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:You guys should take it to the forums...to {{u|Ayla}}, that may not be true, as he may have got it from somewhere else, but realized it was posted later on here. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::I think the idea is to add it to the article. The rash thing isn't anything more than trivia, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Ash is also short for Ashton... --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|''Fire'']] 07:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Am I the only one who thought it was a connection to the other characters names being based on trees? Oak tree, Ash tree etc [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 23:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:I think that Ash's name came from Sacred Ash --[[User:Kamusioso|Kamusioso]]
::Unlikely. That item wasn't introudced until Gen II. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
But Ash saw Ho-oh in the first episode and Sacred Ash is Ho-oh's held item.-Kevin19980609
:Restating what was said above, the Sacred Ash wasn't introduced till GenII. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::So 4Kids wouldn't have known about it yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Togepi ==
OK I jest back and now war over Togepi I jest got two words WHO CARES he had egg and Misty got Togepi END OF STORY![[User:XD007DarkRayquaza|XD007DarkRayquaza]] 22:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ash found the egg. But the result of "who gets to keep Togepi" was Misty. Ash won the battle but not the prize. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 09:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::No, he won the prize, but gave it to Misty. A'la Beedrill. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::He actually captured Beedrill. He didn't give it to Misty, he didn't have a choice. Togepi went to Misty. Besides this was an unoffical contest. As far as it's really known, no one has captured Togepi. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 12:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::So what he won that match? He didn't even touch Togepi or do anything with it at any time after it hatched. It went directly to Misty by itself. Ash never gave it to her. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 13:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think it's Ash who said that he'd give it to Misty. -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 03:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, he said it. But we all saw what happened. Togepi ran to Misty when Ash tried to touch it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Larvitar's egg ==
Why is it different from Donphan's egg? In Donphan case, the word "egg" , the sign "→" and the word "Phanpy" is linked together, why isn't it the same for Larvitar's? And please add a notice on the page if it's protected.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 13:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Is this Trivial Worth? ==

Ash has captured or had the first poison,grass,fire,flying,water,bug,fighting,normal and electric type pokemon in the pokedex.[[User:Collol|Collol]] 08:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:Why not?--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 13:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Not really...I think Ash has enough trivia. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 21:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::- on the Normal too, it's either Rattata or Pidgey, and he never captured either. He has, technically, capture the first Pokémon in every dex, which is more notable in my eyes (even though it just means he caught the starters). --- Aura-Knight 03:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== How do I edit his pokemon template? ==

I need to know, since it's been officially confirmed now that Haunter was, indeed, Ash's Pokemon (both the dub and the original version of Haunter vs. Kadabra had Ash and Sabrina saying that Ash "Got" Haunter, implying that it is, officially, his pokemon, and I needed to move Haunter to "Given Away" due to this fact. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:[[Template:Ash's Pokémon]]--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::He never caught it, so it was never his to give away...so it is unofficial. And we've had discussion over this before... majority ruled unofficial. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Even though Ash and Sabrina explicitly used the word "Get" [or the Japanese equivalent] in regards to Ash capturing Haunter in both the original and the dubbed version? Heck, usually when the word capture (or the japanese word get) is used in regards to it, it implies that it's part of the party, and thus an official member. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Capturing means capturing it in a Pokéball. Same with {{AP|Larvitar}}. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 15:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Then why is [[Misty's Togetic|Togetic/Togepi]] listed as a released pokémon or even an officially captured pokémon? Besides, there are cases where the pokémon is still not yours, even IF you captured it in a Poké Ball. Take [[Brock's Vulpix|Vulpix]], for example. That Pokémon was captured by Brock with a Poké ball, and yet even he said it wasn't even his to begin with. Basically, Haunter is to stay as a given away pokémon, since if even a Gym Leader in both versions referred to Haunter as being Ash's pokémon, having ownership of it, and saying he "got" it, that pretty much confirms that Haunter is officially his pokémon. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Well.... ==

Just want to know if this trivia is notable..
:Out of all the Pokémon that Ash owns, the last Pokémon that he has captured in every [[region]] except [[Kanto]] is part of {{DL|evolution|one-evolution families}}, namely {{p|Noctowl}}, {{p|Snorunt}} and {{p|Gligar}}. If the [[Orange Archipelago]] is also included, {{p|Snorlax}} also falls in this category.
[[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:No. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== I'm going to get decked by Tavisource for this... ==

...But Ash's Squirtle didn't wear the sunglasses that often. Only in a few episodes. If we are not letting Buneary have the vest for the very same reason, then I don't think we should have that sprite for Squirtle. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

:Buneary has only appeared a few times with the vest (although granted, she has only appeared a few times since getting the vest). Squirtle appeared in several major episodes with the glasses, and is assuredly currently wearing them as leader of the Squirtle Squad. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 21:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::The glasses are a big part of Squirtle's character and far less random than the vest. I personally put the line right there just because the Squirtle is so synonymous with the glasses. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Vinny. The appearance of Squirtle's sunglasses are directly related to Squirtle's reaction to events. He takes them out when he's taking charge of a situation ([[EP060|Beach Blank-Out Blastoise]]), when his ego feels threatened ([[EP106|The Pokemon Water War]]), or when he wants to appear more threatening ([[Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]]). [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 04:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Reason why I reverted the sprite edit ==

This is what I don't like about the rollback feature...

Anyway, that Chikorita sprite was just unacceptable. Let's use the DPPt version until we find a better one. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Champion ==

Why does it say that Ash is a champion? When did he won a pokemon league?(The orange league and the battle frontier are Campionchips, not Leagues).--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 12:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:(The '''orange league''' and the battle frontier are Campionchips, not Leagues)
:There you go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::It's called "The Orange League". It is a league. Just not a tournament type. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
It says it's a championchip in the article:Ash challenged the following Pokémon '''championships''' as well: List of battles (heavy spoiler)

'''[[Orange League]]''' (Champion)
'''[[Kanto]] [[Battle Frontier]]''' (Champion)
--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 13:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Propensity for Drowning ==

I'm not sure whether this is worth mentioning in the page, but Ash seems to have a knack for either nearly drowning or getting into situations where drowning is a likely possibility. I can think of about 9 instances off the top of my head. A short list includes [[EP016|Pokemon Shipwreck]] (trapped in a capsized ship), [[EP067|the Pi-Kahuna]] (after wiping out in the surf), [[Pokemon Heroes]] (when Oakley tries to stop him from entering the museum), and in [[Pokemon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]] (when attempting to fix the crystal lattice in the flooded chamber.) Can some others weigh in, please? [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 15:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:There was also ''[[Holiday Hi-Jynx]]'' right when Lapras rescued him. And I guess the journey to New Island in Mewtwo Strikes Back. Oh, and the climax of the Second Movie (after Lawrence nearly killed Lugia), as well as when Ash filled Team Rocket's van with Water in the episode where he battled Ritchie. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 17:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:M01

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Legionaireb:

The CGI effects were made for the Japanese DVD of it and not for the dub. --Qwertybub3 02:32, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
:Seeing as the DVD was only released in 2000 and the Japanese VHS with the CGI in late 1999, I'm inclined to think the dub got the new CGI first. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 12:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, something was said on the audio commentary about the CGI being added for the dub. Yes, I listen to audio commentaries. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Who's that pokemon? ==

In the error section of this page it says that meowth gave the wrong names of pokemon. What If he meant to do that, not making it an error?
: I agree, but I thought [[Team Rocket]] made the mistake? Anyway, it only shows their lack of knowledge when it comes to [[Pokémon]] silhouettes, if you catch my drift ... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
:: He didn't do that in the original version, only in the English dub. Don't believe that excuse Michael Haigney and Norman Grossfeld gave that they were trying to make Team Rocket look stupid. They're only trying to cover for their mistakes. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 00:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::: Ahh, I haven't seen the Japanese (original) version, I wouldn't understand it anyway. However, have you noticed that, [[James]] has a great knowledge of Pokémon? Probably from all of those tutors from his childhood... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::::This is what is actually said in the commentary:
::"''That is a mistake that we made. We actually made a mistake when we did the first draft of the script and we actually recorded that incorrectly. We did catch ourselves.''"
::"''Right. I think the son of the sound effects editor noticed it watching the film.''"
::"''Right. And [this] was before it was completely done and [he] pointed it out to us and we ultimately made - maybe it was laziness or maybe it was genius, I don't know (laughs) - decided to keep the mistake in: a) to make something fun for the kids to spot and also we realised that, well, would Team Rocket actually know every Pokémon and be experts to see the silhouettes and point them out correctly? And we decided ultimately that they can make a mistake so we can make a mistake.''"
::::That is a long way from your claims, PAK Man, so lay off the 4Kids bashing.
::::As for James's knowledge, that is something that has been developed since movie 1. Were his cards even seen before AG? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blastoise, Charizard, Venusaur ==

If I remember right, didn't Mewtwo have those clones pre-made, and then just faced them off against Shellshocker, Ash's Charizard, and Bruteroot? That'd mean that Togepi wasn't the only uncloned Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, he did already have them.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::<s>That doesn't mean they ''weren't'' uncloned. In the Origin of Mewtwo, they were Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo, all cloned by Dr. Fuji.</s> {{unsigned|PH1RESTRIKE|21:59, 11 February 2009}}
:::Oh wait, scratch that. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fearow Trainer? ==

"When the three other Pokémon trainers are taking off, Cory is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow."

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I remember on a fansite, they claimed that it's a different trainer. The Fearow trainer is a girl, too. I think she's in a crowd a few minutes before the trainers leave for New Island.

Oh, and I think that the DVD commentary confirms this, and that she didn't make it to the island. [[User:Seritinajii|Seritinajii]] 12:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this as well, cuz I zoomed in on the trainer and i think it was som blonde girl with pigtails that you can see near while Officer Jenny was talking. [[User:ShellShocker|ShellShocker]] 10:34, 29 July 2008

== Only film canon to the anime? ==

At least in non-Japanese languages, I'm sure Ash remembers having seen a Lugia from the Orange Islands when he meets [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|Silver]] and its parent. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Okay then. Go ahead and add it; I guess I forgot that.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::The question is, why would any of them not be? Sure, Ash may not remember exactly, but remember, the show can't just assume everyone's seen all of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, yeah, that's why I used "''confirmed'' as canon," since the other movies may very well be, but it's not obvious because, like the majority of anime movies, the main series may not show any sort of acknowledgment of things that happened in movies.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but then again, sometimes, the series doesn't even acknowledge it's own episodes, no matter how important they really are (eg. Ash forgetting what the P1 Grand Prix was in the Tyrogue episode despite participating, becoming champion of, and loaning his [[Primeape|champ pokemon]] to the runner up, May claiming that she used Skitty in the Fallabor contest when she actually used Beautifly, Ash forgetting double battles despite the fact that the reason why he won HALF of the Orange League Badges IS because of Double Battles, etc, etc.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Origin for rating? ==

I don't get it, how could "Mewtwo's Origin" prevent the theatrical version from keeping its "G" rating? [[Image:Ani384MS.gif]][[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 07:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mewtwo's Origin" is a little dark for younger audiences. [[User:Animine|Animine]] 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Just a question. ==

Anybody know who composed the music/background music for this movie? D: [[User:Takoto|Takoto!]] 11:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Team Aqua Logo? ==

I watched the movie on VHS after reading this aritcle and I think the Trivia should be changed. The so called logo on the bandana is simply a skull and cross bones not an "A". If it was related to anything it should say that it resembles a koffing. Thats my opinion. [[User:Rucario64]]
:Opinion goes on forums. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:35 1 Jul 2008'''''

It is neither the Team Aqua logo, nor a normal Skull and Crossbones. The emblem on the trainers head is the emblem that appears on the stomach of the pokemon Koffing and Weezing. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 04:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Retcon? ==

Looking back at Ash's revival, it may have been the power of Aura that revived him. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 12:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have proof? the only thing i remember that revived him were the tears of the Pokémon that cried when they saw him turn to stone; just as the legend said. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Okay, so I'm a bit confused about the short "Mewtwo's origin"...there is a CD drama, right? is that just a plain audio CD? If so, then what is the 12 minute clip that was cut from the dubbed version of the 1st movie? And what's with Madam Boss and Miyamoto? All i know is Miyamoto saw Mew in the mountains and hasn't been heard from again. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Legionaireb

2009-07-22T16:00:37Z

Legionaireb: Created page with '==About Legionaireb== Legionaireb first found Bulbagarden.net before it took on a Wiki format, while searching for a Pokemon episode list. Years later, he saw a link to Bulbape...'

==About Legionaireb==

Legionaireb first found Bulbagarden.net before it took on a Wiki format, while searching for a Pokemon episode list. Years later, he saw a link to Bulbapedia at the bottom of the Pokemon entry on Wikipedia. After frequenting the site for several months, he created an official account on July 6, 2009. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 16:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)