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Talk:Kris (game)

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Legendary Rotom:

[[Image:Kris.png|thumb|right]]
Just a question, but where exactly is "Kris" the official spelling? "Crys" or "Crystal" make more sense to me, considering the names of the other heroes.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's in the list of available names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Additionally, the back of the US [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] box says in one area, "New female trainer '''Kris''' faces the {{p|Unown}}." If that and the screenshot are not confirmation enough, I don't know what is. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::>>; It's been many a year since I looked at the box, but gotcha.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Is this worth adding? ==

[[image:Krisoverworld.png]]

Is it worth adding? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 11:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Stretched, enlarged GBC overworld sprite? Think not... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Isn't it darker than usual? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, and it's just an overworld sprite. I don't think it's worth adding. --'''[[Johto|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 12:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah sorry, I let my brother mess around on my account because he said he wanted to do some editing (but was too lazy to make his own). Sorry for the trouble. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 16:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== MERGE TIIIIME ==

Yes or no. Soul is Kris. Merge it here? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Source? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::Look at bulbanews. If you need a link, top of the news stuff on the main page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::How does that confirm that Soul is Kris? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. You ''do'' realize that he's the Editor-in-Chief, right? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 22:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, but what does that have to do with this? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::No. Don't merge. One thing from Crystal does not mean everything from Crystal. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Seconded. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Let's just say hypothetically that she is Soul, but the game drops the name Kris but keeps Soul. Does that mean we start calling her Soul? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pretty much, yea. If there's no concrete evidence relating her to Kris, then she's a completely new character. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Do we know for sure? ==

The article's "Trivia" section clearly states that Kris "is ''not'' the female choice" in [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver]]. However, it is not clear whether she and Soul are the same character or not. In addition, all other articles with information pertaining to the subject are in [[King of Pokélantis|possession]] of far greater neutrality. I suggest that this text be changed to read "is ''believed'' not to be the female choice". I'd do it myself, but it seems that the article has been Protected, and therefore, only an Administrator can make the suggested change. Anyone agree with me? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 03:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Should we add? ==

Since some people don't know about Soul yet, can't there be a link to Soul(game) at the top?--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 01:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀
:Why? It's at the bottom. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that! But shouldn't we put like: ''This is about the female hero of Crystal. If your'e looking for the female hero of HeartGold and SoulSilver, Please click here.''
--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master is the Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig, and, most reacently, Chikorita.]] 16:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Can't someone talk!?!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master is the Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita♂]] 13:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

:I don't see the point in even having a separate article for the HG/SS design. It's the same storyline and they're both the female player character in it, so it makes more sense to put them into a single article regardless of whether they are the same character or not.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 16:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

==Err==
I was going to add Kris' backsprite (KrisBack.png) to the article, not realizing the page was protected... could somebody do this for me or should I just wait until after HGSS come out? T_T [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 04:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Kotone/Soul==
This should probably be updated to reflect Soul's real name (Kotone) and how she is definitely a new character/Kris' replacement/etc, I'd do it myself but the page is still protected. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 00:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:I was just about to add a section about this myself. But seriously, Admin's you need to get on the ball when it comes to Relinking! I would do it myself as well, but; like Zesty said; It's protected. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 03:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmation that Soul and Kris are separate chars ==

I just looked at Serebii and noticed that Soul is present in the preview pics for the next episode in Japan. When that episode airs, we should know for sure whether or not Soul and Kris are the same character, as we have seen Marina (Kris's anime counterpart) in the past. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's kinda... [[Kotone_(anime)|old news]]. D: also, her official name according to Pokémon Sunday is actually Kotone, not Soul. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 21:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock the page ==

It's not like anything needs to be protected, what with Kotone's revelation and all. {{color|28E228|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 00:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC) [[User talk:Bulbafan|My talk page]]}}

== The lookalike? ==

Is it a trainer class, NPC in Pokémon Stadium 2, it needs to be more specific.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:You're right. Does anyone have a pic of it? By the way MB, you did your sig twice... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Oh I did?, I'm sorry, did not mean to. Anyways, can we trace back to whoever wrote it in and get more info? To see if there is a lookalike.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It was Zesty. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::[[File:S2_Heroine.png]] This is the Stadium 2 girl when you use a Crystal game with Kris selected as the player character. Not very alike other than the hair... vaguely... →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]] 01:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That looks nothing like Kris. I'm removing the trivia. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::The only place I saw Kris's picture (i.e. an actual Kris picture) in Stadium 2 was in the credits against the rival. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Can you provide a screen shot?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::In retrospect she's more of a female Red lookalike than a Kris lookalike, but she still only appears if you're playing as Kris... so I reworded it as more of a side note. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I'd say that she's more similar to Kotone. But it's just me. But she's as much Kris's "counterpart" as the player boy is both Red's and Gold's counterpart. Why don't we have them mentioned on their respective pages? However, the thing on her icon appearing in Stadium 2 credits is TOTALLY worth noting. I'll try to beat Silver and get the screenshot of credits. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kris in Pokemon Stadium 2 ==

[[File:Kris PS2.png]]
This is the only thing I can do, if it's not good enough, then, is there a way to get it from the game? It's in the credits just to add.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have a way of taking screenshots? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, i took that from my computer from a youtube video, and I cropped it just to show that she appears in the game. But, I have no other way to get a pic of her.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I can hopefully get a better screenshot, I just need to know where exactly in the game that image appears. Does it appear anywhere else in the game besides the credits? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 02:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure, i was watching the ending and just noticed her. If you can get a better pic, it would be nice. I might look at the ending again to see if there anything else useful.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I wouldn't recommend capturing off a Youtube video, but a Youtube video does make a good reference for time code references. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wba6WwOj5IM Try this video] around the 3:48 mark; bottom right of the battle scene, Kris's icon appears in her original {{v2|Crystal}} incarnation (for obvious reasons; odds are her {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} redesign probably wasn't even on the drawing board yet), with the opposite corner having the [[Generation II]] [[Silver (game)|rival]]. It's the second-to-last such scene played in the credits (the last such scene, the one after Kris's appearance, has an interesting anime allusion involving {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Red}}). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kris appears there because... Stadium 2 was Generation II. Duh? That's like saying that Ash in his Kanto/Orange/Johto clothes in an old episode is because they hadn't thought of the Hoenn or Sinnoh outfits yet. It's... because that's what he wore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Merger tiems ==

So {{adv|Crystal}} is dressed in Lyra's outfit in the HGSS chapter, just like how {{adv|Green}} was dressed as Leaf. Like the RGB girl who never made it in is Leaf, the GSC girl who never made it in until Crystal ''is'' Lyra. Lyra is Kris, and Ethan is Gold. Maxim, you can feel free to blow a gasket now, but the fact that she has two anime counterparts means nothing, because so does Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
: There is one difference here, there is early RGB game art that features Green, which proves that she was indeed a planned character in the RGB story. No such hints exist for Kris as far as I know (?), and since the games are the ultimate canon in the franchise, it would be more assuring to have concrete evidence from the game canon that Lyra is Kris. This could be a case like Adventure's confirmation that Giovanni was Silver's father, but as I recall, we didn't take that as 100% confirmed canon until we got confirmation via HGSS. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't see why it would be impossible for them to be separate characters in the games, yet the same character in ''Adventures'' on the basis that the artists are lazy. Interested persons may also wish to see [[Talk: Lyra (game)]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

is it just mere stupidity or a matter of unacceptability that people here cannot face the fact that lyra is indeed kris reasons:

:1) lyra is a vast design of kris which infact shown on how the manga artist of adventures doesn't use a color blue hair for kris but brown.
:2) kris is indeed a beta design for lyra because during that time the color scheme for lyra's hair was not available for gameboy color.
:3) how the f*** told you that this character's name is kris is it just fan name like how ethan was named gold before he was officially named.
:4) look at her clothes does it clearly resembles the one lyra was wearing even the hair style they just add a ribbon on her hat you didn't recognize her.
:5) and lastly she could have two anime counterpart like how ash and ritchie is based on red.
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 08:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Eh... I've seen that coming. There is one thing that makes me mad. That Ritchie is saw as Red's counterpart here. Ritchie is a counterpart of Ash, there's nothing in him that could be based directly on Red. His team is pretty much Ash's team, the clothes are even less similar to Red's ones than Ash's. Ash is the only real Red's countepart. Also, look at what Kusaka have done with the Team Rocket Executives. This makes his decision on Lyra/Kris even less reliable. We've got two contradicting ones. I don't see how we should trust Special but not the anime - I can see why people think that Special is better and conveys the game world much better than anime. But it's still not the same thing. We've got no proof on the game's side on who "Lyra" really is (or rather, who Kris really is). It's also annoying how so many people compare this situation to Blue/"Leaf". She was just a beta design for RGB. We don't even know if they really wanted to put her in the game. Kris, on the other side, was a FINAL thing. And she had her blue hair even in the artwork. It doesn't have anything to do with the GBC pallette. We should not judge the games by other canons, since if we ignore them, there is nothing that could confirm either scenario (aside from some fan-worked "patterns"). It's simply safer to consider them separate for the games. The "battle" between New-Lyra and Old-Lyra is now 1:1. It's a draw. And draw means, that we must not change anything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:Usually I sit back and mind my own buisness, but this time... I'll have to disagree with you TTE. Look, Lyra and Kris. Both got their own ''official'' names. Also, they have different looks. Very different. Two different anime counterparts as well, although you say that doesn't count. Pokemon Adventures does not matter, they just did that because they didn't have a name for Lyra. They can't name her after the recent games, because they are basically Gold and Silver. Also, what about in the Gold and Silver arc? With Chermaine and Keane. Does that mean we have to fuse their articles with Archer and Arianna? Maybe they just dropped Krys to add a new spin for HG/SS? Either way, I don't think that they are the same person. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I kind of feel the same way about keeping the articles apart. Crystal winding up in Lyra's clothing isn't conclusive on the matter at all. I could say the reason it was done so was because the "versions" of HG and SS are already covered in {{adv|Gold}} and {{adv|Silver}} and so as to not create a protagonist that would fall out of the version name theme. It's one thing to create a character for a version, such as Emerald and Yellow, but to need to sort out a version issue for a new character? Better to go with the easy way out (by amalgamating the two), than having to wage war on what to call the new character that continues the theme (when there's no possible way to). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the games and anime should stay apart still. [[Marina (Johto)]] and [[Lyra (anime)]] are completely different characters, and [[Kris (game)]] and [[Lyra (game)]] are completely different characters. Just because the manga was too lazy to make a new character doesn't mean anything. The manga is hardly official cannon, as stated above. While it does give good second opinions, it does not trump the games and anime. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::The anime doesn't trump the manga either. They're too different to compare. And since there's no proof between collaborative effort between anyone from GF and Kusaka, no one can use it as proof that he's doing what GF meant for it to be all along: that they are the same. Honestly though, if they meant for Lyra to be Kris, why is Ethan still retain the major traits of Hiro, but Lyra get nothing from Kris...except maybe her short-shorts and redecoed pigtails? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::The anime appears on Pokemon.com. The manga doesn't. That sort of makes the anime more official then Adventures. Plus, really, if you look at both of them, they don't really look anything alike. Gold and Ethan look alike 5x more then Kris and Lyra do. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::No manga appears on Pokemon.com that isn't based on the anime. Which is the point. They're an entirely different venture. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think the only thing this proves is that a hypothetical "Adventures Lyra" does not exist, with Crystal taking the role on. Adventures also seems less apt to just go out and retcon things in the continuity, where, obviously, Gamefreak doesn't mind retconning various things in the games if the Johto Regional Pokédex means anything. And didn't Pokémon Sunday say that they were different characters, or is that a fandom myth?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 16:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Either it's a fandom myth, or Gold and Ethan are also different characters. Nobody in their right mind would think one was a redesign and the other is a replacement--the only reasons anyone would buy would either be "if Gold is Ethan then Kris is Lyra" or "if Kris is not Lyra then Gold is not Ethan". Nobody in their right mind would buy "Gold is Ethan but Kris is not Lyra"; it would also take a loony to claim that "Gold is not Ethan but Kris is Lyra". Do keep in mind that several Crystal elements made their way into the game as well; as far as I'm concerned, the female player character is one of them. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's entirely possible to think "Ethan = Gold but Lyra =/= Kris," because Kris and Lyra look nothing alike, compared to Ethan and Gold, who basically got his same clothing upgrade, and doesn't stray far ''at all'' from his original design. All the Crystal elements in the world do not prove one way or another that Lyra is, in fact, ''meant'' to be Kris (and it's only our opinion [at this point] if she is or isn't), on the principle that neither Silver nor Gold got so completely retcon'd in their 2.0 appearance. Also, if she was meant to be the epitome of Kris, why isn't she being treated like Kris? Why does Lyra exist as a separate entity from Ethan, when Kris and Hiro were interchangeable (akin to Red and Leaf)? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::First off, let me say, Pikablu, that you shouldn't be going around and calling users insane or looney. That's just mean, and is technically cyber-bullying.
:::::::::Also, Luna Tiger is right. Gold ''is'' Ethan. Gold wasn't his official name and HG/SS gave him one. Obviously Gold and Ethan are the same person. Lyra and Marina (I call her Marina, so if you see Marina, I mean Krys) have a huge difference between each other. Like I said before, if you fuse Lyra and Marina, that'd be like fusing Chermaine with Arianna, even though they are two different characters. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Wah, cyber-bullying. I see that... ''term'', to use the word loosely, I think instantly one of two things: user is not to be taken seriously, or user is a complete wimp. It's the internets, grow a thicker skin.
::::::::::As for Gold not being his official name... well look at the first dang page of the instruction book for Gold. Ta dah! Gold! And it's one N, dammit. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I was just stating that for his sake, not for mine. Honestly, I could care less what people call me, but he's gotten in trouble for this before. And I'm sorry, but does it really matter how to spell it, though? You know who I'm talking about XD [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Just to point it out, the "official" naming of Kris as "Kris" was only on the US box from what I can tell. The back of the Japanese box (seen [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00005OVBL/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1 here]) doesn't refer to her as "{{tt|クリス|Kris}}" at all, but as "{{tt|女の子の主人公|Girl Protagonist}}" (the full sentence includes Gold, who is merely called {{tt|男の子[の主人公]|Boy [Protagonist]}}, the "主人公" part implied by the use of the {{tt|と|and}} particle). However, I have no access to the manual to say it wasn't in there either. Either way, "Gold" became Hibiki/Ethan despite being referred to as "Gold" in the manual, and yet similar evidence is used to keep "Kris" separate from Kotone/Lyra? Kotone is not ''completely'' different from "Kris" as people are claiming, so I don't get why these characters with the same situation as Gold/Hibiki/Ethan are being kept separate. The only place these two are ''confirmed'' to be separate people is in the anime. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 21:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
(reset indent) Mind if I butt in? I think that they gave Kris Lyra's clothes in Adventures because if they made a new character, what were they going to name her? "HeartGold" or "SoulSilver"? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Indent reset~
:Just because they're the same in the manga doesn't make them the same in the games. If this is "proof" they're the same, then Lyra in the anime is ''just as much'' proof that they're different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure ハート/Heart or ソウル/Soul. It's not like the fandom didn't call her one of the two before her name was revealed. They gave Kris Kotone's clothes because she's ''supposed'' to be a redesign of Kris, not a new character. Her hair is a clear show of that. Yes, it's not blue nor does it have that wacky 90-degree bend, but can anyone really say it's ''completely'' different? After all, PokéSpe HGSS Kris looks like what a PokéSpe Kotone would probably look like, with slightly darker hair.
::But still, personally I don't like how Gold = Hibiki/Ethan when we can say he was called "Gold" in the manuals while Kris =/= Kotone/Lyra because her name was on the back of the box. They're similar situations, so I don't get why one merges and the other doesn't. And that has ''nothing'' to do with the anime/manga. :/ --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::If they're meant to be the same, then why didn't the anime make them the same as well? Manga canon and game canon are seperate, and just because it's true in one does not mean it's true in the other. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::As are game canon and anime canon. What I think the reasoning is for calling Kotone/Lyra by her game name rather than "Marina" is because of the game name = anime name that they seem to like doing these days. Also, "Marina" and "Jimmy" can be point to why "Kris" and "Gold" weren't real names for them, but I won't go into that. However, my second point still stands. Ignoring both anime and manga canon, Gold/Hibiki/Ethan was in similar situation as Kris/Kotone/Lyra. He was called "Gold" in the manual while she was called "Kris" on the back of the box. Why is one joined and the other not? --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Because Gold and Ethan look almost exactly the same. If they meant for Gold and Ethan to be different, they would have given the male player a completely new design, which they didn't. However, Kris and Lyra look ''nothing'' alike. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm aware game and anime canon are seperate as well. The point with Ethan is he's pretty clearly Gold, his design hasn't changed much at all. Lyra, however, only has the hair to go by. It's never made clear in the games if they're the same, they are the same in the manga, and they're clearly different in the anime. Sooo I think we shouldn't assume either way and leave them seperate until someone at GameFreak pretty much outright says it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::You can't really say they are the same character because their hair looks alike. Their hair is not really similar at all. As you sated, I think Lyra in the anime and games is a whole different character. Just because Crystal dresses as Lyra, doesn't mean they are, in other cannon, the same character. Pokemon Adventures =/= official cannon for everything. It is written by a third party. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Urgh, I really hate this argument because it's really clear Kotone is just a vast redesign of Kris. Why does the fact she got a larger overhaul than Hibiki mean she's a new person. She's not. Kotone's design is ''clearly'' based off Kris, no matter how vastly redesigned. Seriously, why does this make her a brand new character. It's not just the hair, her outfit shares a similar color scheme, she still has the hoodie part, and her overalls have shorts rather than a skirt they could have opted for, and her shirt is red as well. I find it funny people were quick to call her a Mario clone, but fail to see the similarities to a character design ''in the same franchise''. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:What harm is it to keep them separate, when official they have not been announced as the same character? It does not help anything to merge them. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm of the same opinion Blake's got. And NyaChan, believe me, I wanted Lyra ot be Kris when she was first revealed. But I'm not seeing any of those similarities you're listing at all beyond hair - and even then, the color is different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm got the same opinion as you two. It's not officially announced, and there are hardly any similarities. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Nor does it harm to merge it. =3= The only problem I see is people will whine about how they think Kotone is "toooootally different from 'Kris'". As for the blue hair thing: Blue hair is no longer relevant (since blue = signature color for Crystal version), thus they changed it to brown. And wasn't it mentioned somewhere between this and Kotone's talk page that prototype designs for "Kris" had her with brown hair anyways? As for you not seeing the similarities: You seriously can't see both girls have a red shirt, have some form of shorts and have white/red as prominent colors in their outfit? Huh, guess I must be going even more blind. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 23:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Okay, so there's some similarities in color, but I wouldn't sya enough to support it. And Kris only ever had brown hair in the manga, if I remember right. But back to the point I was making: Confirmation in the manga does not equal confirmation in the games. And until someone at GameFreak comes out and says "Lyra and Kris are the same", then I don't believe they should be merged. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::And it '''does''' harm to merge the two, because what if it turns out they /are/ separate characters? Then you have to unmerge them. Whereas leaving them unmerged only to learn of sure they are the same person...less work and not guess work (because wouldn't it be silly if we were right the first time, and wrong the second, only to correct it?). There is no solid, indisputable proof she is or isn't meant to be Kris. We're not talking Crystal, we're not talking Marina; we're talking Kris, and game canon is game canon, and no manga or anime canon is going to have a same in what game canon is. Because we can argue this left and right, there's no standing why they should be merged. They should be treated as two different people until otherwise stated. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Also, what exactly makes the Pokemon Adventures manga cannon? Because Satoshi Tajiri said "This is the comic that most resembles the world I was trying to convey."? He said that over 10 years ago. That doesn't mean everything in it is 100% cannon. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Game canon is not anime/manga canon". Yeah. Well then Kris ''never'' existed, nor did Leaf. Deletion time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No, it's "Anime/manga canon isn't game canon." Special says they are, anime says they aren't, and the games vouch for neither. What's the justification when the manga isn't proof? Because otherwise, Leaf would be Green, now wouldn't she? Since Special ''must'' be right. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

There were only 2 reasons that Lyra wasn't Kris. One was because they had two separate anime counterparts. However, Crystal was the counterpart that they both shared. So both cancel each other out. Another reason is that they look vastly redesigned as opposed to Ethan and Silver. But Morty and Sabrina were also vastly redesigned as opposed to their fellow Gym Leaders. Kris/Lyra play the same role and have similar enough features. They're as about as recognizable to each other as RGBY!Red is to FRLG!Red. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 02:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:The "similar features" being gender and hairstyle...
:The difference between Lyra and the Red or Gym Leaders is there is absolutely no doubt the Gym Leaders and Red are meant to be who they are. The games pretty clearly state it. But the only evidence that Kris and Lyra are the same is in the manga, and the manga one isn't the same characters as the game ones. Whereas game-wise it doesn't say anything either way. And to coutner the manga, the anime has them as two distinct people.
:Until someone at GF comes out and says "Lyra is Kris", then the merge should nt tbe done.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 03:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry if anyone was offended by my "loony" comment. Wasn't aimed at anyone specific, mind you. Gotta remain in good standing so I don't end up the second sysop ever to end up on probation, despite all this fire getting tossed around...

::Anyway, what's keeping said Game Freak staffer from explicitly saying Gold is not Ethan? Maybe we ought to get wind of this argument over to Game Freak's ears, then we'll probably get something...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:20, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::What do you mean there is no other evidence? They play the same role: the Johto female protagonist. Other Crystal elements were retained; why wouldn't she be retained too? Plus, if she was really a new character, wouldn't she have been advertised as such when her artwork first surfaced?
:::Let's also keep this in mind. They renamed the Tin Tower, added two routes and a Safari Zone, changed Kanto's into Pal Park... What's so strange about renaming a girl who had a version-name (Kris, from Crystal) in Gen II a normal name in Gen IV? Ethan did it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Nothing, if there was more than a single manga series saying it. I'm not saying Lyra couldn't be Kris, but unless it's actually confirmed for the game character, I don't believe they should be merged. Isn't that Bulbapedia's policy anyway? Don't add it unitl we're 100%, and as far as the game versions of these characters go we ''aren't''. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes. Exactly. And this is also why I'm against any kind of voting about the matter. Because in this case voting will be merely a battle of opinions, not any officially confirmed stuff, which the policy tells us to follow. Having them in separate articles is simply safer. We don't insist that [[Brock (anime)]] is a separate character from [[Brock]], do we? As long as there's no official word about the identity of her in the games. It's currently a draw between the anime and PokeSpe. And draw isn't deciding. I know, TTE, that you want this to be moved desperately but what's the sense of Bulbapedia's existence when it becomes an admin's personal playground of his crazy theories about fandom, instead of a reliable source of information? "Why couldn't rename and redesign her, if they did X, Y, Z before" isn't a reason. "Why not" is never a reason. As long as we don't get any more official "hints" about the matter, then we can talk about the change. As for now, we should leave everything as-is. Also, if we state that Kris MAY be an old version of Lyra (as she is in PokeSpe) clearly on the main head of the article, no one should really get offended. Bulbapedia isn't a place where heated battles of opinions should happen (especially when started by admins). Let's try to be objective and chill the hell out. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Maxim, I totally 100% agree with you. We should keep the articles separate until ''official'' sources say so (keyword = official). Bulbapedia is all about true informomation, unlike the Pokemon wiki, who last time I visited, said that there was a over 200 new Pokemon, and an article on each one. Reason why I came here, it had true stuff about Pokemon! It got rid of all 'fan speculation' and all that crap that was out there. I understand that TTE is an admin and all, but to me, he's a regular person right now. If we merge the article of Krys and Lyra, then we'll turn into Pokemon wiki. Honestly, I don't want that to happen. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:What, are you kidding me? All you guys are just whiners that HGSS isn't exactly the same game as GSC. ''Wah they moved Suicune'', ''wah Bell Tower'', ''wah Johto dex'', ''wah Lyra's not Kris''. If Lyra is not Kris, then Leaf is not based on the unreleased Gen I girl. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::We aren't whining, so stop acting silly. The difference is, Kris was a real character. Green/pre-leaf was just a few pieces of art. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I could care less about HG/SS. That's not what this discussion is about. It's about keeping characters separate. And I dunno about you, but I've never seen any pics with Green's face? Just her back with Blastoise on R/B/G. For all we know, her face could have looked like a wooly mammoth, but that's beside the point. I would say something, but it's not my right to say it. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not whining, I'm saying we follow Bulbapedia's policy. You know, don't add until we're absolutely, no-doubt certain. And the thing is, as far as the game versions of these characters go, we aren't. I thought an admin of all people would be trying to enforce this policy, TTE, not directly go against it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::You know what, TTE? You just revealed your true colors. You just showed everyone that you're a whiner who wants everything on Bulbapedia to be as he wants. All that I used in this discussion were rational reasons. So did most people who agreed with me. And then, when a discussion seemed to shape up and a bud of a reasonable consensus was forming, you just came in baaaawing and whining and accusing OTHER PEOPLE of whining. It was miserable, man. What you just did is funny and sad at the same time. Go on, TTE. Merge the pages. You can even ban me if you want. You just want to merge the pages so there's nothing we can do. But why did you even start the discussion if you just wanted to merge the pages uncompromisingly from the start? I'm disappointed at you, TTE. I'm disappointed on Bulbapedia. I might have been whining about HGSS in the past, sure. But for this matter, you are the only whiner that I can see around. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::W-wait a minute! Let's keep this civilized, people, please? This is a discussion, we don't need to be name calling. Although I am slightly confused at why TTE would abandon his own rules like this, there is still no need for name calling! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Okay. But how can I treat a person whose only reason is "You're all just stupid whiners, so you must all STFU" in the middle of a sensible discussion? It's a blatant proof that someone has no true reasons. And I think it should be also the end of this comedy. I just said how I see TTE's last activity in this talk. And I tried to do this calmly and clearly at the same time. I didn't mean for any "name-calling", I just wanted to make him get rid of the whiny emotions that restrain his mind. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

:To lighten the mood a bit, what's this about Betagirl looking like a woolly mammoth?
:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/woollymammoth.png
:[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::Lmao! Umeko, you are now my most favorite person. Lol, that's so funny! At least now I know where to go if I'm down. Would you mind if I asked you to send that to me by my e-mail? {{unsigned|Littlmiget123}}
:::Haha, it was my pleasure. :3 Not sure why you need it sent by email, if you want to save it you can just right-click→save as...
:::And to actually contribute something to the conversation here, I don't think the two should be merged. Kris was at least notable in that she was the very first female PC implemented into the game, if nothing else. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, I'm still laughing about that. I started crying I was laughing so hard. You made me forget to sign XP. Oh, okay then. I saved it, that's so awesome! And that's true about the first playable female character. You can't really put that on a page called 'Lyra'? I don't know this discussion is getting ridiculous. Plus, the bottom section proves that this was just a bunch of baloney. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 20:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== Word from Game Freak about Kris and Lyra's identity problem ==

Regarding the identity debate that has resurfaced in light of the latest manga development, I believe that Game Freak may not have been so vague, after all. According to the bottom of this page [[http://outdoor.geocities.jp/twnfh640/pokemon2.ds.html]], [[Takao Unno]] (HeartGold and SoulSilver's art director) was quoted in a Nintendo Dream interview as saying that "Lyra is a new character that was not designed with the female player character from Pokémon Crystal in mind". I've been aware of this page for some time now, but I've refrained from mentioning it until now since it also claims that some (possibly the same) interview clarified that the programmers of Pokéwalker did not recognize its resemblance to the Pocket Pikachu pedometer. This claim is refuted by the famous "Iwata Asks" interview [[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/iwata/iwata_asks_-_pokmon_heartgold_version__soulsilver_version_16288_16289.html], where Ishihara states that the Pokéwalker is the successor to Pocket Pikachu (it was Nintendo and Creatures that had forgotten about Pocket Pikachu when they developed a pedometer game called Activity Meter).

That said, I'm inclined to take the quote about Kris and Lyra at face value, but I don't want to see it misused until we can verify the source (which I believe is the Nintendo Dream issue released in last September). It does make one wonder what Ken Sugimori's role in all of this was; is it possible that Lyra's illustration was drawn by Takao Unno instead? -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 20:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Amen! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::And I hope that's the end of that.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I want fellow members to help me find that interview, as opposed to patting themselves on the back for (probably) being right. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 20:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, Unown Lord. You just saved us about 2 more days worth of fighting. I'd read the article, but I can't read japanese XD [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 20:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::[http://pokemon-memo.com/tag/unno-takao/ 1]. Another source stating the interview. As far as I can read and make something out of electronical translations, it seems like "The Female Protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver was created from scratch, without the consciousness of Crystal Female". Though, I'd like someone who can understand Japanese better than me to confirm it. But I feel the sweet smell of an ending... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::"According to Unno Takao-shi, the female protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver was designed from scratch, without taking mind of the female protagonist from Crystal," pretty much.
:::::::The article also says that the male and female protagonists for HGSS were not designed by Sugimori as all previous ones have been, but by Unno under Sugimori's supervision. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::So that's that, then? It's just a matter of finding where this interview came from, which shouldn't be too hard it can't be that o;ld. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The second article says that the interview is from the November 2009 issue of Nintendo Dream, which was released in September around the remakes' release (I don't know why the magazine's naming system is two months ahead). -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]
:::::::::...still doesn't explain Lyra having such short shorts, but it does explain Dawn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I think that the far more pertinent question is why Sugimori agreed to Lyra being designed from scratch and his own character, Kris, not being carried over to the remakes. That Kris was not playable in Gold and Silver is merely an excuse, and the quote doesn't say that directly. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 05:38, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
So now that this has been settled, should we remove the merger templates from this and Lyra's pages? [[User:Reign|Reign]] 07:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:Jeez, I don't look at my watchlist in a couple of days and -bam-, all this occurs. Looking at the two sources posted, it does seem as if they specifically say that Lyra was designed from scratch and is not the same as Kris. So merging the two articles would be pretty pointless.
:Also, TTE, you've just proven to all of us that you pretty much don't give two shits about sticking to rules, guidelines and the like, and instead want everything to be your way. First your wild reasoning of "hey, PokéSpecial did it like this, so let's apply the manga to the entire canon!", when everyone knows Special is completely separate to everything else; and secondly, your selfish edit protecting of this page for a month just so no-one would remove the merge template. That's just damn childish. You really shouldn't abuse your position as a 'pedia admin like that. You've done it enough in other places over the past few months just to get your way... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::I protected the page so that no one, mid-argument, could come in and say "NUH UH LYERS NOT CHRIS". I figured we'd not reach consensus this early. And considering the fact that Adventures is ''based on the games'' and the previous remakes' female protagonist's clothing was used by the third-version-named girl in Adventures... yeah, it was possible that we had been wrong to make Lyra and Kris separate pages. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Don't believe that guy ==

Since I'm banned from Bulbagarden (by the way, dear admins, isn't it the time to lift that undeserved and insane ban from me? I've been away from Bulbagarden just long enough to atone for my "crime") and I can't answer there, the only thing that I can do is protect Bulbapedia from further harm that some random guy on Bulbagarden Forums may do. [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=1593797&postcount=69 In this post on Bulbagarden Forums] one guy (random and seemingly inexperienced) tries to convince people that what Unno says is supposed to prove the otherwise of our consensus. This is, that Kris and Lyra are same characters. However, his "translation" (allegedly done by his "Japanese-fluent girlfriend") is nothing more than a misinterpretation. It's a wishful interpretation of someone who can't admit that the two aren't same and one characters. First, he cites the "crucial" sentence totally out of context, obscuring its meaning. Unno doesn't says anything about "redesign". What Unno really says that Crystal female character and HGSS female character were designed independently. 意識 means "consciousness" or "senses" (not "concern"), I've checked that in multiple dictionaries. There's no way that the word could be misinterpreted. Also, the particle せず means "without". So, do the maths. Also, he completely ignored the word 新規, which means "new" or "original". Unno used this word in relation to Lyra, very obviously. He also completely ignored what Unno said about Ethan. It's very easy to obscure the intended meaning of out-of-context sentence in a foreign language. And this guy seems to be a master at this. But don't believe him. All he's doing is setting an additional, illegal hurdle on the last metre of our long way to consensus. There are always stubborn people who can't admit the truth and argue with the facts. Some people simply can't understand that the Earth isn't flat and even taking them into space won't convince them. So, for your own sanity and the sanity of Bulbapedia, ignore this guy. He's not a person to be believed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Oh lord, is this really not done yet? That guy's just grasping at straws now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::We have ended this. Just because the manga says they are the same, doesn't mean they are. They don't even look that similar. I don't see any resemblance at all, other then they have pigtails sticking out the sides, and they both have shorts instead of skirts. [[May (game)|May]] has hair coming out the sides, and wears shorts. Does that mean she is Kris also? Just because Kris and Lyra have the same roles, doesn't mean they are the same person. The manga just didn't want to go through the trouble of making a new character for the HGSS volumes. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::You don't need to keep restating that, Blake. The interview already confirmed they're seperate, the guy on the forums is making up translations that don't exist. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Her name. ==

No, this isn't about her and Lyra. Though I do think they're one in the same..Anyway, isn't "Kris" just a nickname or shortening of her name, Crystal? Is that note-worthy? Or is her name literally "Kris"? There really hasn't been anything on her name other then the english Crystal manuals and box art, which listed her as "Kris". [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it is the default name. Plus, it is the first choice. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::I believe the "Kris/Crys is short for Crystal" only appears in the Pokémon Adventures manga (which does NOT consitute game canon, on the record...) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::She's called it in "Golden Boys" too. Then again, that manga calls Silver "Black". So I'm guessing "Kris" is simply a reference to "Crystal" rather then a nickname. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== The anime is no longer credible concerning Kris/Lyra's identity ==

Ethan got a new counterpart in the 13th movie despite Jimmy already being Gold's counterpart. This proves that the anime isn't above recreating existing characters, unless you want to argue that Gold and Ethan aren't the same person either. Of course, this doesn't prove Kris being Lyra, but between the anime's loss of credibility and the article about Lyra's design having questionable credibility as well, the whole "Kris isn't Lyra" argument isn't solid either.

Rotom (Pokémon)

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Legendary Rotom:

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'''Rotom''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ロトム''' ''Rotom'') is a dual-type {{2t|Electric|Ghost}} [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation IV]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon, however, it has the ability to possess the motors of certain appliances and [[form differences#Rotom|change forms]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Rotom's basic body looks similar to {{p|Castform}}, but Rotom has no real relation to any other species, since it doesn't have any evolutions or pre-evolutions. Rotom has a body of plasma. It also has teeth, which are often seen. Rotom also have unique eyes that have a dividing line across them. Even though Rotom is classified as being an Electric/Ghost type, it possesses traits that aren't usually normal for something that's supposed to be a spirit, such as the need to eat, being able to faint and somehow reproducing. Rotom themselves are shaped like lightning rods, while the blue aura of electricity around them takes the appearance of lightning.

[[File:Rotom parts.png|thumb|left|Rotom and the appliances]]
In {{game2|HeartGold|SoulSilver|Platinum}}, Rotom also has five extra forms (each based on a household appliance), which can be accessed using an event-exclusive item called the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Secret Key}} in Platinum and by bringing a Rotom to [[Silph Co.]] HQ in HeartGold and SoulSilver. They are based on a {{wp|refrigerator}} (Frost Rotom), {{wp|washing machine}} (Wash Rotom), {{wp|fan (mechanical)|fan}} (Fan Rotom), {{wp|lawn mower}} (Mow Rotom), and a {{wp|toaster oven}} (Heat Rotom). Despite having visual characteristics of other types ({{t|Ice}}, {{t|Water}}, {{t|Flying}}, {{t|Grass}}, and {{t|Fire}}, respectively), they share the original Rotom's {{t|Electric}} and {{t|Ghost}} types. Rotom's eyes and aura of electricity will change colors when it changes form, but the aura remains the same color if it's {{shiny}}. In contrast, their base stats are far higher than those of the original Rotom, to the point of being analogous to evolutions.
====Gender differences====
Rotom is a genderless species.
====Special abilities====
Rotom can creep into machines and appliances and infiltrate them. It may also possess and take the form of them if it wishes. However, only five alternate forms have been discovered so far.
[[File:BrockRotom.gif|thumb|right|Rotom transforming]]

===Behavior===
Rotom are mischievous, apparently wreaking havoc on electrical appliances just for the fun of it. They like to pull pranks on others, or just {{m|Discharge|shock}} them. When not possessing any object and when possessing a fan, it levitates when moving. On the other hand, when possessing a refrigerator or an oven, it bounces.

===Habitat===
They usually live in electrical appliances, sometimes in those of [[Old Chateau|abandoned places]]. In {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, a Rotom resides inside a [[television]], where the {{player}} is able to catch it.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
As with most {{t|Electric}} Pokémon, Rotom probably feeds on electricity.

==In the anime==
[[File:{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=Rotom.png|1=Heat Rotom.png|2=Wash Rotom.png|3=Frost Rotom.png|4=Fan Rotom.png|5=Cut Rotom.png}}|thumb|210px|{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=|1=Heat|2=Wash|3=Frost|4=Fan|5=Mow}} Rotom in the anime]]
Rotom made its debut appearance in ''[[DP105|Get Your Rotom Running!]]'' in all its different forms, toying around with {{Ash}} and {{ashfr|friends}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP105|Rotom|Ash's Pokédex|Rotom, the Plasma Pokémon. Rotom plays practical jokes, which it carries out by embedding its plasma body in electronic devices.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=Rotom manga.png|1=Heat Rotom manga.png|2=Wash Rotom manga.png|3=Frost Rotom manga.png|4=Fan Rotom Manga.png|5=CutRotom.png}}|thumb|210px|left|{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=|1=Heat|2=Wash|3=Frost|4=Fan|5=Mow}} Rotom in the manga]]
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], Rotom appeared at the [[Old Chateau]] where it caused havoc for {{adv|Diamond}} and {{adv|Pearl}} until Diamond eventually caught it by when it was hiding in the television. The same Rotom made another Appearance when Diamond and Pearl returned to the Old Chateau to collect information on it, like it's previous appearance it caused havoc for them and ran away to the [[Galactic Eterna Building]] where it transformed into its 5 forms and attacked them. Eventually Diamond found out it was just trying to play with them and bonded with it after which they bid their farewells and left.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Rotom (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=electric
|type2=ghost
|gen=4
|dpdex=Its body is composed of plasma. It is known to infiltrate electronic devices and wreak havoc.
|platinumdex=Its electric-like body can enter some kinds of machines and take control in order to make mischief.
|hgssdex=Research continues on this Pokémon, which could be the power source of a unique motor.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=electric |
type2=ghost|
gen=4 |
dprarity=One |
dparea=TV in [[Old Chateau]] ([[Time|Night]] only, after obtaining [[National Pokédex]]) |
ptrarity=One |
ptarea=TV in [[Old Chateau]] ([[Time|Night]] only) |
hgssex=pal|
hgssarea=[[Trade]] |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Electric
|type2=Ghost
|md2=[[Midnight Forest]] (B10-B20)
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]] [[Windy Prairie‎]] [[Rocky Cave]] [[Fiery Furnace]] [[Bright Beach]] [[Eternal Tower]]
}}

Rotom will not appear in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time until a rescue mission involving it has been completed. This task can be completed by using the following Wonder Mail code:
:8HTR MY9+ K6+@
:NT=M 9Q6R 38@5
:Objective: Escort Rotom to floor 4 of [[Tiny Meadow]].

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|

===Stats===
====Base stats====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal Rotom=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats |
type=electric |
type2=ghost |
HP= 50 |
Attack= 50 |
Defense=77 |
SpAtk= 95 |
SpDef= 77 |
Speed= 91 }}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1|2|3|4|5=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, and Mow Rotom=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats |
type=electric |
type2=ghost |
HP= 50 |
Attack= 65 |
Defense=107 |
SpAtk= 105 |
SpDef= 107 |
Speed= 86 }}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====Pokéathlon stats====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal Rotom=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Electric
|type2=Ghost
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
|}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Heat Rotom=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon |
type=Electric |
type2=Ghost |
Speed=3 |
SpeedMax=4 |
Power=4 |
PowerMax=4 |
Technique=3 |
TechniqueMax=4 |
Stamina=3 |
StaminaMax=4 |
Jump=4 |
JumpMax=4 |
}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|2=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Wash Rotom=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon |
type=Electric |
type2=Ghost |
Speed=3 |
SpeedMax=3 |
Power=3 |
PowerMax=3 |
Technique=3 |
TechniqueMax=4 |
Stamina=4 |
StaminaMax=4 |
Jump=2 |
JumpMax=4 |
}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Frost Rotom=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon |
type=Electric |
type2=Ghost |
Speed=3 |
SpeedMax=4 |
Power=2 |
PowerMax=3 |
Technique=4 |
TechniqueMax=5 |
Stamina=3 |
StaminaMax=3 |
Jump=3 |
JumpMax=4 |
}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Fan Rotom=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon |
type=Electric |
type2=Ghost |
Speed=3 |
SpeedMax=5 |
Power=3 |
PowerMax=5 |
Technique=3 |
TechniqueMax=3 |
Stamina=2 |
StaminaMax=3 |
Jump=5 |
JumpMax=5 |
}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|5=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Mow Rotom=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon |
type=Electric |
type2=Ghost |
Speed=3 |
SpeedMax=3 |
Power=3 |
PowerMax=3 |
Technique=5 |
TechniqueMax=5 |
Stamina=3 |
StaminaMax=4 |
Jump=2 |
JumpMax=4 |
}}
|}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Electric|
type2=Ghost|

Normal= 0 |
Fighting= 0 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=50 |
Psychic=100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 |

notes=yes|
ghost=yes|
newnormal=1|
newfighting=1|
levitate=yes|
newground=2}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|electric|ghost|4|4|Rotom}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15|Smart|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|8|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|15|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|22|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|29|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|36|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|43|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|50|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|electric|ghost}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|electric|ghost|4|4|Rotom}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM49]]|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM61]]|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM79]]|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{movelist/note|4|electric|ghost}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
None.

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|Electric|Ghost|4a|4|Rotom}}
{{mtentry4a|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|Smart|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4a|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|electric|ghost}}

====Special move====
{{movelistspecial|Electric|Ghost|4|4|Rotom}}
{{mlentry4|{{DL|Form differences|Normal Rotom}}, (having no other moves)|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{DL|Form differences|Heat Rotom}}|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5|Beauty|2||}}
{{mlentry4|{{DL|Form differences|Wash Rotom}}|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|120|80|5|Beauty|2||}}
{{mlentry4|{{DL|Form differences|Frost Rotom}}|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2||}}
{{mlentry4|{{DL|Form differences|Fan Rotom}}|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|20|Cool|2||}}
{{mlentry4|{{DL|Form differences|Mow Rotom}}|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5|Cute|2||}}
{{movelist/note/Rotom|4|electric|ghost}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=electric |
type2=ghost |
ndex=479 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=G |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox/Formes
|sprite1=479
|name1=Rotom
|type1-1=Electric
|type2-1=Ghost
|forme1=Normal Rotom
|loc1=Normal
|sprite2=479O
|forme2=Heat Rotom
|loc2=Toaster Oven
|sprite3=479W
|forme3=Wash Rotom
|loc3=Washing Machine
|sprite4=479R
|forme4=Frost Rotom
|loc4=Refrigerator
|sprite5=479F
|forme5=Fan Rotom
|loc5=Fan
|sprite6=479L
|forme6=Mow Rotom
|loc6=Lawnmower}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=electric|
type2=ghost|
gen=4|
gender=6formes|
ndex=479|
name=Rotom|
forme1=O|
forme2=W|
forme3=R|
forme4=F|
forme5=L|
}}

==Trivia==
* When Rotom is encountered, the music is the same as {{pkmn2|legendary}} encounters although it is not classified as one. Rotom is, to date, the only non-legendary Pokémon to do this. {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Cresselia}} and {{p|Shaymin}} do the opposite, being the only legendaries encountered in [[Generation IV]] for which the normal wild battle music plays.

* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Rotom.
* Rotom is one of three Ghost-types whose [[List of Pokémon by color|color]] isn't in the black or purple category. The others are {{p|Shedinja}} (brown) and {{p|Froslass}} (white).
* With the exception of {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Spinda}}, Rotom has the most forms of any non-legendary Pokémon, with six in total.
* Rotom is one of only two Ghost-types that cannot learn {{m|Psychic}}, the other being Shedinja.
* When Rotom transforms, it learns a new move in the same way that other Pokémon may learn new moves upon evolving. The move is replaced by another if Rotom possesses another object, and is deleted when Rotom transforms back to its normal form. If the only move that Rotom knows right before reverting to its original form is exclusive to its alternate form, then that move will be replaced with {{m|ThunderShock}}.
* Rotom is the only Pokémon with the ability to change its form by will that must possess another object in order to do so. {{p|Castform}}, {{p|Deoxys}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Shaymin}} actually transform their bodies. However, {{p|Burmy}} is similar to Rotom in that it merely changes its surrounding cover. Like Deoxys, Giratina, Shaymin, and Burmy, players can have all of the forms at one time.
* While some other Pokémon with alternate forms have different base stat distributions in their other forms, Rotom is the only Pokémon whose alternate forms have a different [[Stats|base stat total]] than that of the original form.
* Fan Rotom's {{m|Air Slash}} is the only special move whose base power isn't over 100. It's also the only special move with more than 5 PP, and is the most accurate of the five.

*Rotom's alternate forms were the only alternate forms of a Pokémon not featured in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]]. However, despite being introduced a year before the game was released like Rotom, {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Giratina}}'s alternate forms made an appearance in the game.
* Rotom is notable for being the only Pokémon to learn certain moves (while in different forms):
** As Heat Rotom, Rotom is the only Pokémon that can learn {{m|Overheat}} without breeding or via [[TM]].
** As Mow Rotom, Rotom is the only non-{{type2|Grass}} to learn {{m|Leaf Storm}}.
** As Fan Rotom, Rotom is the only non-{{type2|Flying}} to learn {{m|Air Slash}}.

===Origin===
Rotom appears to be [[List of references to Pulseman|based on]] {{wp|Pulseman}}, who was actually designed by Pokémon designer [[Ken Sugimori]], although it may also be inspired by the unexplained phenomenon of {{wp|ball lightning}}. Its Pokédex entry brings to mind {{wp|gremlin}}s. Its possession of other objects may be based on {{wp|poltergeist}}s or {{wp|tsukumogami}}.

====Name origin====
In {{game|Platinum}}, it is revealed that [[Charon]] discovered and named the first known Rotom. It appeared out of his toy robot, and Charon named it Rotom due to its origin. Rotom is the word ''motor'' backwards; this may refer to the fact that motors make many appliances function, while Rotom makes them fail.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Rotom
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Motisma - From ''moteur'' (engine) and ''plasma''.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 로토무 ''Rotom''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 洛托姆 ''Luò Tuō Mǔ'' - Transliteration of its Japanese name.



{{PokémonPrevNext | prevnum=478 | prev=Froslass | nextnum=480 | next=Uxie | type=electric | type2 = ghost}}
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