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Talk:List of glitches in Generation IV

2020-01-08T01:45:34Z

LeapingRiolu:

== Discord link to Voidmatrix ==
I feel it might be smart to include a Discord invite link to the Voidmatrix Discord server, where much of the Gen IV glitching research and support is done. That way people can stay up to date and people messing up during things like the void glitch have easier access to proper support. [[User:LeapingRiolu|LeapingRiolu]] ([[User talk:LeapingRiolu|talk]]) 01:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

== What about multiple Barries or Dawns? ==

I believe that this is potentially another glitch. After whatever happens or whatever causes this Professor Rowan is standing with Dawn at Lake Acuity. Dawn is in the place where she was at the beginning of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl but she's also in Sandgem Town. Barry is in one place but until you've gone to Stark Mountain and caught Heatran and on the weekend, he's in 2 places at once. Does anyone think this is a glitch? I also believe that the fly to the Pokemon League is broken since the game has only been to part A and Rayquaza was allowed to fly Lucas to Point B, cheating him out of learning how to make it through Victory Road himself. Does anyone think it'd be good to add these glitches to the pages to make a good addition? ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 21:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC))
:I wouldn't really call it a glitch. It is potentially an oversight though, and would be more suited to Barry and Lucas/Dawn's trivia pages. Not sure what you were talking about in regards to Lucas using Rayquaza to fly to the Pokémon League. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not really sure how to say this either but I'm using a used Diamond game instead of a new save file so I can't tell what happened. I believe this game was action replayed once because I ended up with a Pichu with its current HP more than its max and that was something I was working on with my Gamecube Action Replay when I was trying to get perfect stats. I haven't followed the storyline of the DS games completely yet. ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 12:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC))

== Facade glitch ==

As previously noted [[Talk:Facade (move)#Glitch|here]], there is a glitch present in Platinum (tested by me), HeartGold and SoulSilver (haven't checked for Diamond/Pearl), where the use of Facade by the player's own Pokémon will move the backsprite up one pixel per use, to the point that repeated use with the help of PP-restoring items will bring the sprite to its incomplete state well above the top of the text box. Could this glitch be added to this page? Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 01:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:My {{p|Carnivine}} showed its gap after 20 uses. Is this consistant with all Pokémon, or does it vary from sprite-to-sprite? Also, it's been added to the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::Hmm, I should think it varies slightly. My Gastly showed the gap after about 10 uses (I definitely wasn't at 0 PP when the gap appeared). Either way, testing has shown the sprite always raises by exactly one pixel after each use, which would mean it is pretty much dependent on how much of the sprite is usually hidden underneath the text box. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 01:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

==Help?==

Do any Pokémon have an Ability where the foe cannot be switched out? I was in a trainer battle and I wanted to switch Pokémon, but when I tried to switch, it said "Golem cannot be switched out!" It was under perfectly normal circumstances, too: Golem was not holding an item at all. Thanks! [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] 20:59, 2 June 2012
:{{a|Arena Trap}} and {{a|Shadow Tag}} prevent switching, as do {{cat|Binding moves|moves that partially trap}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Spider Web}} and {{m|Mean Look}} (and {{m|Ingrain}} if you use it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks! I remember now, I was fighting a Dugtrio that had to have the ability Arena Trap. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] 21:39 3 June 2012 (UTC)

== Video Problem ==

The video guide of the "Egg nature glitch" is unavailable to watch, you get the message "Embedding disabled by request, Watch on YouTube" [[User:Rintoul 999|Rintoul 999]] 13:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks. If you see any other videos with embedding disabled, feel free to replace them (just make sure you mention that is why you're replacing it in your edit summary). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

== Messed-Up Berry Plants? ==
I was playing my SoulSilver the other day and I had a bunch of berries planted in my berry pots that felt like they were taking forever to grow. They were finally blooming, but then when I checked again they were just little green sprouts. I haven't changed my DS clock at all lately and I've been using the same DS, so this really makes no sense. My DS is messed-up to begin with so it could be the DS itself causing the glitch, but I really don't know what's up with these berries...and I've been watering them too...
Also, just would like to state that I noticed with a certain move, I think Faint Attack, when it's used one of the Pokemon seem to move by a pixel, sort of like the Facade thing. I haven't looked too much into it though. --[[User:Ondelez46regigigas|Ondelez46regigigas]] ([[User talk:Ondelez46regigigas|talk]]) 06:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Berries are based on steps, not time. If you use the bike and travel long distances (on foot) the berries grow faster. This also depends on the type of mulch. If you saved before walking a lot, then restored to the save point, your step count will fall and then the device will set the berries. This (I think) is sort of a primeval anti-cheating measure. (Of course, you could tape down the A button, but where's the fun in that). waterlubber 21:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

== Gym Was Too Tough ==

I don't know if this is a glitch, but in Diamond & Pearl after defeating a gym and saving, if you go to the Journal it says (for example), "Eterna Gym was too tough..." which I'm guessing it says if you lose against the gym leader (I always save before a gym battle, so I wouldn't know haha).[[User:☆glaceon☆|☆glaceon☆]] ([[User talk:☆glaceon☆|talk]]) 00:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

== Heart Gold/Soul Silver badge check not actually checking badges? ==

After doing the Tohjo Falls bypass, I battled all the trainers like normal, but there was something weird when I got to the badge check: I only had 7 badges (I skipped the Team Rocket's Goldenrod Tower takeover and the events after.) but it acted as if I had 8 badges. Does anyone know why it doesn't actually check for badges?[[User:AlbeinoLucario|AlbeinoLucario]] ([[User talk:AlbeinoLucario|talk]]) 17:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
:Can you get there normally without all eight without cheating or glitching? If you can't, that's probably why. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
::A quick check reveals it is the HG/SS variation of the (in)famous Tweaking glitch. As for the badges, I would suggest it would be similar to the B2W2 situtation, the game doesn't need to run a check as there is no way you could skip a badge normally. (I know that RSE has a check due to a badge being skippable without glitching.) In any case, I hope that helps. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 10:08, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

== Rotom's Room only appears for the original Old Chateau rotom ==

I traded a Rotom from a friend and bred it to get a Level 1 Rotom, which I tried taking to Silph Co. in HeartGold as the first Pokémon in my party, but the counter lady, elevator guard and Steven were all still there, and I couldn't get into the elevator. Either this is a glitch or Rotom's Room is only accessible to the original Rotom from Old Chateau. [[User:Zywxn|Zywxn]] 12:42, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

==Minor funny graphical glitch==
When coming from route 13 to route 14, the lass standing behind a cut tree who talks about Chansey will be standing on top of the grass not in it. The glitch can be reactivated by going back to route 13, resetting the screen (eg by meeting a Pokémon) and coming back to route 14. The glitch doesn't work when you go to route 15 [[User:Wowy|Wowy]] ([[User talk:Wowy|talk]]) 07:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
:Is this notable? --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] ([[User talk:Wowy|talk]]) 03:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Wild Double Battle Arena Trap ==

Before I begin with this, this might not be easy to replicate as I found this bug while playing Pokémon Platinum altered by the [http://pokehacks.dabomstew.com/randomizer/ UPRandomizer]. While In Eterna Forest with Cheryl, one of the two wild Pokémon in a battle had Arena Trap. After defeating the one with ability, I tried to run from the remaining Pokémon, and I got a message saying "The wild Bad Egg prevents escape with Arena Trap!" While abilities and whatnot may have been randomized, the actual game mechanics are not, so I do feel this was a legitimate oversight with wild Double Battles. Basically, if one of the two wild Pokémon has or gains Arena Trap and is then defeated, the player still cannot flee the battle, and the aforementioned message is displayed. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 22:25, 3/29/2014 (UTC)
: While it's an interesting oversight, the fact that it can't be encountered unless the player's cheating means it probably doesn't belong on this page. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 20:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
: ... Unless it can. Would it be at all possible to Skill Swap Arena Trap onto a wild Pokemon while with a stat trainer? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 20:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
::Pretty sure you can't. If I recall correctly, you can't have two of your own Pokémon out at the same time, even if the stat trainer's is KOed. And since none of the stat trainers have a Dugtrio or Trapinch, you'd have to supply the Arena Trapper, and none of them can learn Skill Swap. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 20:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

== Cute Charm glitch ==
This is an interesting one I found recently. The glitch causes the encounter rate of [[Shiny Pokémon]] to rise from 0.01% to 21%. This video[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WguzSA-QFuI] explains it but some more research is needed as to why it happens and what factors cause it. I tested this on my Pokémon Diamond version, only using an Action Replay to get a Trainer ID and Secret ID that works (removed it after so no possible cheats could be behind it) and after two hours, I had encountered four shiny Shinx, four shiny Starly, two shiny Geodude, three shiny Abra, three shiny Zubat, one shiny Budew, and ten shiny Bidoof. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 20:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:I've not looked at it carefully (or at all hardly), but I think it's just "abuse" or an "exploit", not a glitch. Cute Charm works as intended (I think), but determined people can exploit it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah I guess it would be an exploit. However it is interesting that this exists. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 21:01, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

== Trade cloning ==
I added the Trade Cloning procedure for Diamond and Pearl game and also deleted the very incorrect affirmation that it can "corrupt the save file". My contribution was reverted by Tiddlywinks who thinks that "if the glitch does not work every time, it's not interesting".
I have to disagree with this. The glitch is reliable, and the method has been shown to work on several games. This glitch is discussed on several website including Glitch City Labs forum. I also added a video to illustrate the glitch. Gen 6 trade cloning also does not work everytime. I understand the problem, but I see no reason of keeping incorrect informations on Bulbapedia when we have proofs of the correct ones. Let me know what you think! [[User:Krys3000|Krys3000]] ([[User talk:Krys3000|talk]]) 20:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
:I honestly don't know the right answer here. I actually reverted it for a couple of reasons. Someone else may feel that it's worth it, but at the very least what was added definitely needs some cleaning up.
:One of the other problems I had (but couldn't include in the summary) was that the steps given didn't seem to make complete sense. At one point, you seem to say to shut down DS 1 and then check DS 2, and then in the next step you say "start the other game" in DS 2, and I have no idea which game you mean, or if DS 2 was supposed to be turned off at some point or if you actually mean DS 1 or what. I also couldn't really tell what "Note the clock which performs around 4 turns" was supposed to mean, but that at least isn't a huge problem since it's not really integral to following the next step. (I noticed the video at one point, but kind of forgot to check it before.)
:The other thing is, you're saying it doesn't corrupt the save file, but that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrXXjtzz5UA&t=8m25s seems to be] exactly what the game is saying in the video (I don't speak French, but it seems clear enough).
:Also, for future reference, when adding content, you should avoid using "you" and "I", and be sure to write "Pokémon" instead of "pokemon". Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advices. I will rewrite the text to make it a little more bulbapedian (that version was roughly a copy/paste of my own post in GCL). To avoid any other problems, I will post it here so you guys can give me your opinion before it is published.
::About the save corruption, it depends of what you mean by corruption. That's why it is not clear on the current page. The game refers to "a corruption of the last saving process" that leads to the loading of the previous save file. That's exactly what we want to do ; the Pokémon will then be in both versions. But it doesn't mean at all that THE save file can be corrupted and lost. I will be more specific about this in the new version.
::Also, this glitch works in Generation V. But right now I don't have a video to show it :) [[User:Krys3000|Krys3000]] ([[User talk:Krys3000|talk]]) 08:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

== Waterfall glitch spans to other Generation 4 games? ==

I managed to go up the Pokemon League Waterfall facing to the side in Platinum. Though it may not be easy to recreate, this was caused by an accidental input right before my character ascended. Does this mean it could possibly be categorized as a glitch that affects all core series Generation 4 games?[[User:Brawnybeast|Brawnybeast]] ([[User talk:Brawnybeast|talk]]) 23:10, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2019-05-09T21:15:49Z

LeapingRiolu:

== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

==Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds?==
[[File:183Marill.png|150px]][[File:Alpha honouguma.png|150px]][[File:025Pikachu.png|150px]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Most likely not since in that same picture one can see Tyranitar and other beta-Pokemon most likely from Gen II. As ar as I know it's a cover of a magazine that was suppose to report about the next Generation of Pokemon (or at least about plans). [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::I have the magazine in question. Unfortunately, there is no information on Gold/Silver within. The only indication of them is the cover itself. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... Most likely it's still not about Gen I Pokemon since it's from 1997... It could've been a "hint" of new games in development. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[Team Rocket|team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The similarity is as obvious as between Honoguma, Pikachu/Raichu and Marill... [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why? {{unsigned|Kybett98}}

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

== Stunfisk ==

Beta Version from Stunfisk [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=4142]??? --Altruis 17:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:That was from the Nintendo Dream interview, and it is most likely true, so it should be added. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

==Game-on Exhibition==
It may be old news, but for those asking for references, I took pictures from this long-running exhibition called Game On. It had some concept works on some game franchises and Pokémon was one of them. [http://www.barbican.org.uk/bie/exhibitions/game-on Check here for info on the expo.] There were some Ruby/Sapphire sketches there, such as the Torchic with floppy ears [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01532.jpg Torchic with floppy ears], the Treecko sketches [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01528.jpg (maybe a little clearer here)] and [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01529.jpg the Blaziken/Latias one]. There were also this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01530.jpg other sketch of a floppy-eared Torchic] and this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01533.jpg early Groudon sketch]. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

:I went to the expo again today and tried to get some better photos of the art. I'll try to upload them to Bulbagaren Archives and add them to the articles. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 02:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Where is this geographically?[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 02:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Those are of most interest. If it happens to be there tomorrow do you plan to try to take a picture of all Pokemon sketches that you can? Also nice to hear you took more photos today. The beta Treecko looked like it had a bit of a Grovyle look to it on the arms. Salamence didn't look much different. Wonder why Torchic had the most redos, a floppy eared, then chubby floppy ears, interesting. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::It goes around the world since 2002, always adding some new stuff to it. Right now, the expo is in Brasilia, Brazil.
I uploaded the pictures to Bulbagarden Archives. Torchic's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta.jpg]] and Latiken's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Latias_Blaziken.jpg]] were added to the articles already, substituting the old ones. Treecko's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Treecko_Beta.jpg]] (it wouldn't let me substitute the old one, so I just uploaded it separately and didn't change the article), Groudon's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Groudon_Beta.jpg]] and Torchic's other concept art [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta2.jpg]] were only uploaded, but not added to any of the articles. Someone please do it for me. xD [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
: Excellent then. As for replacing the old images, I can see doing so for the Torchic but not the others at the moment. The new Torchic image you uploaded is great though since it is closer and higher quality, thanks for uploading the image. :) [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::Ah as for the Treecko image, click on it, the click description page under the image which is in bold. Log in on the archives if not already and scroll down, click on upload new version of this file. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I did that for the Treecko picture, but it said it had some trouble cause the old picture is a png file and the new one is a jpg. Even after I tried converting the new pic to png, it wouldn't accept. (Nevermind, it worked now. lol) [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I see the Groundon image has been uploaded but where would the image go? Prototype or Minor Alterations? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 01:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::I believe "Minor alterations" would be more accurate, as it basically remained the same, except for those marks it shares with Kyogre and Rayquaza (at least that's the only thing I noticed). [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:19, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== More designs ==

I found [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/ this site] and it appears to have lots of legit designs that we're missing around here, despite being mixed up with fanart and fakes. But are the apparently legit ones really legit? Please discuss these findings. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 16:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

:Hehe, I've heard of this. There's this deviantArt group called TheLostPokemon, which is for the Pokemon in this article. The stuff's pretty legit (though I'd still want to check out the blog). A lot of the members of the group are artists, so their artwork is probably on the blog. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 22:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
::I run the dA group while my friend runs the tumblr blog. I can assure you that any fanwork is stated to be such while actual concept/design artwork is legit. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 21:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Unused girl on boxes? ==

The text about [[Prototype Pokémon and characters#Unreleased characters|this girl]] states "The image was shown on the boxes for the games" referring to the one that only her back is shown. I've checked {{tt|the Japanese box|the only one}} of Pokémon Green and didn't see the picture. Is this statement false? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/images/box-68474 Apparently] so (I don't own the Japanese games, but I plan on getting them), and I still have all the English games from long ago, but unfortunately without any box inserts. According to the box data on GameFAQs, the artwork doesn't appear on the back of Japanese Blue or Yellow (Pocket Monsters Pikachu) either. Perhaps the user who added it was referring to the instruction booklet? It might be worth noting that there was an [http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5541/1290018520523.jpg official strategy guide] for {{2v2|Red|Green}} featuring the artwork. It's also interesting how this guidebook credits Ape Inc, the predecessor of Creatures Inc. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 00:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

==fluffy torchic==
Am I the only one who instantly thought of Vullaby after seeing the fluffy torchic in the eggshell?[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 04:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The guy who looks like a gymleader ==

In the article it says he was probably a dark gymleader but to me he looks more like a ground or rock user because tyranitar is ground as well,the turtle looks like a rock type and the hitmontop thing has a creamy dirt color plus he is wearing a turban with a gemSTONE does anyone agree?And he might of been the original concept for the first gym leader since he has only 3 pokemon that again to me seem like ground thus continueing rock(ground) type first gym.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 19:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
forget the first gym thing.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 18:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
: Surely you meant [[Tyranitar]] is Rock/Dark-type. Anyways, it's only speculation that he's Dark-type Gym Leader (he could just have been a regular trainer), but his clothes and hair style refer to dark. Also, he most likely was not the first Gym Leader as most Gym Leaders encountered first have two Pokemon (only Roark has three). It could also be noted that some Gym Leaders have Pokémon that are not of their speciality type (namely [[Volkner]] and [[Cilan]], [[Chili]] and [[Cress]]) and Rock-type specialists other than Roark generally have very little in their appearance to connect with their speciality type, plus in final product all Johto Gyms specialized in types that were not present in Kanto, at which time it would've been odd to use Gyms that "had been" there before (like Rock or Ground Gyms). I also can't picture the polypod Pokemon as a Rock-type. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 12:21, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Thundurus and Tornadus color change ==

It's stated Troh's and Sawk's horns were removed because Thundurus and Tornadus were blue and red, but they had later there color changed. So, why don't they get a place on this page? Maybe they can share there column with Troh and Sawk... [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 12:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Cries ==

I attempted to post this as a comment on the YouTube video, but of course the stupid piece of shit excuse for a website kept giving me an "error try again" without any explanation. I guess this works just as well here anyways:

I've researched these cries for a while now and I hate how everyone keeps saying MissingNo. 0x45 sounds like Crobat or Golbat. Of course it does, because it is an *exact* copy of Zubat's cry. I'm following the same conclusion as everyone else (I hope it really way Crobat), but no one ever seems to realize that it isn't just similar to Zubat, it's exact. This also applies to MissingNo. 0x89 being an *exact* copy of Dragonair.

P.S. My notes: http://pastebin.com/yCry6qce -- [[User:Stag019|Stag019]] ([[User talk:Stag019|talk]]) 19:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper? ==

Looking at the image I'm quite curious as to what the embryo thing is. Is it possibly a Pokemon or something? Also is it possible the creature in the cage to the left is an earlier version and possibly smaller version of Slowbro? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 18:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:The embro thing does appear to be a Pokémon, but I don't know what though. The thing in the cage does appear to be a early version of Slowbro. I think it probably would be a good idea to wait for some more opinions about that though, or just add it. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 20:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
::I think I shall wait for a few more opinions before adding that Slowbro bit. Just to make sure it is possible that it might be an early version. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I dunno about Slowbro but the 'embryo' is probably a small Water Pokémon. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 01:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== It seems that Kage No Mushi is a fake ==

[http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524002079/open-for-debate-removing-kage-no-mushi This Tumblr post] claims that the Pokémon may indeed be a fake made by one of the blog owner's friends. In fact, as a response to [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524532246/hfc2x-answered-your-question-open-for-debate my answer], the owner said that Bulbapedia did take all the info on that Pokémon from that blog.
Is this correct? If so, we should remove it from the list right away. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed it from the list. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 16:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Kazeniga and Rokku ==

In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7M5KAfYWA), there seems to be two Pokemon, (Kazeniga and Rokku) in the vein of Gorillaimo and Godzillante. Should we add them? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 21:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

== Munna in Generation 1? ==

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, didn't an NPC near [[Rock Tunnel]] mention seeing a pink Pokémon with flowers on it in the cave? If they did, then that would mean {{p|Munna}}'s origin dates as far back as [[Generation I]]. If all of this is true, should I add it onto the page? I can also look for an image that details the Munna in the game. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
:Correction, they were actually talking about the fact that there should be and I quote, 'a pink one with a floral pattern.' The link to the picture is [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/image/12834082074]. I apologize for the profanity in the name. This is where I found the pic. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

== Who is that bug pokemon? ==

Hello There. ''WHO'' IS that bug pokemon:
http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/9/9e/Unknown_bug_pokemon.png
--[[User:Cool Sam|Cool Sam]] ([[User talk:Cool Sam|talk]]) 16:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:My first reaction is it looks like the old 'scrubbing bubbles' mascot used by Dow cleaning agent. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 07:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper ==

Since the similarity to the sumo character from Quinty/Mendel Palace is noted, wouldn't it also be worth noting alongside that there is an unused sprite which appears in the Gen III games which is presumably[http://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire#Unused_overworld_sprite] a redesign of a sprite of the same character? --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 18:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Split ==

Unused cries only belong in the development leftover articles. The designs of Pokémon and characters can be mentioned in the Development section of the game articles. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Kabiin ==

I remember, when I first saw this one in "A Man who Created Pokemon," I was certain that it was a playful reference to Kirby. But now I can't locate my copy of the book, so I don't know if there's a date on these thumbnail sketches that would disprove this theory (ie. if these are sketches from around 1989-1990, the Kirby reference is unlikely). Does anyone have any info to help, maybe have the book on hand to check? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
:I have the book too (the 'cards' cover and not the Pulseman cover). However, I unfortunately cannot find a date. I'm afraid. Here is [http://minus.com/i/XgRc7ydCX1Uh a scan] of the page. Additionally I thought it would be worth noting that on page 293 with the monster coming out of the capsule, the page says "Monster Capsule TM" ポータブルモンスターカプセル PCM-55R $198 00, I don't know if those people who did high resolution scans (from Blue Reflections?) of the concept art showed us that. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 15:47, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sources ==

Can we please have where we got the info added next to each of the designs. It's nice that we have all this early artwork, but it would be much better to clarify which is from books, which is from interviews, etc. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

== Should we add Mega Flygon? ==

Apparently they wanted Flygon to have a mega evolution, but they couldn't come up with a good one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Where's your source on this?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I heard it on serebii months ago, and then just today, I was at the [[Flygon]] page and saw the same thing in the Trivia. It's also in [[Mega Evolution]]. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. I guess it could be added.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure how to make it (though I may be able to figure that out. BTW, should it get a new section? Or use one of the current ones? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 03:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

== Interesting Gen II finds ==

Recently I've found some possibly important info, if poorly translated on Gen II unused Pokémon seemingly from the spaceworld demo. Some are just alternate names for know Pokémon, but some like Animon and Ikari(Anchor?) seem to be unused, should we add this? Links:[https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&u=http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/botu6.html&usg=ALkJrhiNG-K5r_b7o4kFtVyQ6i4AbBNj5A 1],[https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.jp%2Fpcakatsuki%2Fpokemonlab%2Fpm.html 2] [[User:Shadowsonic5000|Shadowsonic5000]] ([[User talk:Shadowsonic5000|talk]]) 01:05, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

== resemblance ==
I would like to point out a few things that I noticed:
1. The unused final evolution of weedle looks like the gen 1 bug type party sprite.

2. Eggshell torchic reminded me of vullaby.

3. Am I the only one who thinks that the turtle might be torkoal?
--[[User:Wizardfox|Wizardfox]] ([[User talk:Wizardfox|talk]]) 02:50, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== Obscure Honōguma image — Legitimacy? ==
In [https://twitter.com/Katsu_Nagao/status/388880608748773376 a 2013 tweet], a Twitter user called Katsu Nagao posted an alleged screenshot of Honōguma and a Metapod (but red/orange instead of green) from Next Generation World Hobby Fair on January 1998. Catstorm26 noticed this and posted it about it on Twitter/forums recently. More information ([http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?105571-Official-GSC-Programming-amp-Beta-Glitch-Thread&p=18343949#post18343949 1], [http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php?topic=7343.msg204405#msg204405 2]). Katsu Nagao claimed it to be real and it seems rather convincing, but is it convincing enough to add to the page? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 21:53, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== Girafarig and Happa sprites ==

https://tcrf.net/images/5/5e/PkmnGS-EarlyBattle2.jpg

This image was taken from [https://youtu.be/-LPNOrsseVk?t=1m46s a 1998 video featuring footage of the Spaceworld 1997 demo of Gold and Silver]. Girafarig's original design is shown in this screenshot, as is Happa's back sprite. Unlike the [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/b9/Alpha_happa.png sketch shown in the article], it looks like Chikorita's design was actually finalized by this point in development; the only difference being that its legs are fully visible in its back sprite in the demo, whereas they are cropped out in the final game. --[[User:CartmanKusanagi|CartmanKusanagi]] ([[User talk:CartmanKusanagi|talk]]) 06:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:The sketch is just a fanart drawn from memory, so it seems only natural that it differs from the real thing. To me, this in-game screencap confirms that Happa was already a fully-realized "Chikorita" at that point, design-wise at least. Therefore, it should be treated as a beta name, rather than an "unreleased design", in my opinion. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 11:45, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
::I've added screenshots for Beta Girafarig and Hoppip, both from the same footage at SpaceWorld 1997. I will remove the section on this page for 'Happa' as clearly Chikorita was a finalised design by this point. It strikes me that both the sketches for Beta Marill and Beta Qwilfish are highly likely to be misremembered fan interpretations, and that both of these designs could well have been finalised by 1997. However the longevity of these sketches probably earns them the right to remain, at least until screenshots surface proving otherwise. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 12:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Considering that Chikorita/Happa's early artwork still displays demonstrable differences from its final appearance (yellow eyes and neck buds, an indistinct blob-like body with multiple small 'legs'), it's been moved to the 'Minor alterations' section in subsequent revisions. The artwork should also be kept as long as the Kurusu/Honoguma/Marill/Qwilfish artwork is kept, as they all clearly came from the same source. [[User:Jennyjams|Jennyjams]] ([[User talk:Jennyjams|talk]]) 16:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Disregard the above, I misunderstood something. The sketches are apparently fan recreations of Pokemon seen in the demo, which means that the Chikorita sketch was likely a recreation/misremembering of the final sprite. [[User:Jennyjams|Jennyjams]] ([[User talk:Jennyjams|talk]]) 16:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
::::: I don't know why it's now in Altered Designs, given the design in that screenshot looks almost identical to this one [[Image:Spr b 2g 152.png]]. Maybe this page needs an 'Altered Names' section specifically? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 07:50, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I agree but I don't think there should be a section called "Altered Names". For now, I've redirected Happa to [[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta]] because I think it should be mentioned there as a pre-release name. I haven't actually added it to the page because I'm no expert on this and there appears to be more pre-release names that I'm not aware of (for example, see Nidoking's pre-release name, Maiko, under the "Satoshi Tajiri manga designs" discussion below). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:44, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

== Satoshi Tajiri manga designs ==

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdWog9QVMAAWe2e.jpg --'''[[User:Pokelova|Poke]][[User talk:Pokelova|lova]]''' 03:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

: It looks like there are even more here, but the Japanese text is really small so it's hard to read.
https://twitter.com/kyle_toom/status/997019544299294720 --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 15:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Here's what the list of names says:
{|
| ２１　ビリリダマ (Voltorb)
|-
| ２２　ベロリンガ (Lickitung)
|-
| ２３　コイル　(Magnemite)
|-
| ２４　カクタス (Cactus)*
|-
| ２５　ユンゲラー (Kadabra)
|-
| ２６　スリーパー (Hypno)
|-
| ２７　マイコー・オス (Maiko♂ (This is Nidoking's beta name [https://tcrf.net/File:PokemonRB-GCCXProtoScreens.png]))
|-
| ２８　ブー (Boo)*
|-
| ２９　バルンダ（Ａ）(Blunder (A))*
|-
| ３０　ストライク(Scyther)
|-
|  
|-
| ３１　ディグダ (Diglett)
|}[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] ([[User talk:Mefredbob|talk]]) 22:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Worth noting that this page also notes the beta name of Blastoise vs. Staryu (as Karabajio vs. Mimii) that is listed in this image.

Still wonder exactly what Gyaoon is, Japanese commenters seem equally confused. However, Farfetch'd seems to be clearly キクパーン (kikupaan) to them (although I confess I can't read the first kana to save my life, nor pull literally any meaning out of that either). Apologies if I've messed up the formatting.

[[User:Breh|Breh]] ([[User talk:Breh|talk]]) 05:39, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

==Alleged unused Pokémon we only know the name of==
The Japanese Pokémon Wiki has had these listed for quite a long time (source: https://wiki.ポケモン.com/wiki/没ポケモンの一覧 relevant section: "名前のみで未発表になったポケモン"), and I think (though I'm not exactly sure), they may have been talked about in old accounts of the Space World 1997 demo, but given the Mandella effect it may be risky to add them, especially Netamon which is almost a typo of Metamon (Ditto).

These included: Aqua, Eleking, Netamon and allegedly shown in a video during the demo explaining new features of the Pokédex: Aquaria, Animon, Ikari.

[https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver#Pok%C3%A9mon The Cutting Room Floor article]

Also on the subject of unused Pokémon with no images from Generation I, [https://twitter.com/ikiro_pkmn/status/996923420230148096 this tweet] (second image) shows the handwritten names of many Pokémon in the poll, but sometimes we have no way of linking them with an existing Pokémon (or known unused Pokémon) or the handwriting may be hard to read. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 21:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==

-Add the other unused Pokemon from the Satoshi TaJiri manga and use higher quality images for the ones already on the page. This includes: A Pokemon that looks like a bird from Kirby, a Pokemon that looks like a Shy Guy from Mario, a Kanto Pokemon that appears to be similar to Tyranitar, and a Pokemon that is a white ball.

-There is also an early version of Combee in that manga.

-There is a higher quality image of the unused Kanto elliphant Pokemon.

-There is a higher quality image of the unused Pokemon that looks similar to Seel.

-Remove the image of Tirtouga, there is no reason to think why that Pokemon has anything to do with the unused Pokemon it is being compared to.

-Take the unused Pokemon that are referred to as "early versions of Gengar & Nidorino" out of the the altered Pokemon section and put them in the unreleased Pokemon section, there is no reason to assume they are related to Gengar & Nidorino.

-Take out the word "designs", these are unused Pokemon, not unused "Pokemon designs".
--[[User:Horsecooker|Horsecooker]] ([[User talk:Horsecooker|talk]]) 20:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

== Space World demo leak ==

https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-golds-space-world-1997-demo-has-been-leaked/ --'''[[User:Pokelova|Poke]][[User talk:Pokelova|lova]]''' 11:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

== Pokémon Gold Design Links ==

So I found out some used designs on plans in said game through this link http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/05/31/pokemon-gold-demo-rom-leak-new-evolutions/ . Can we add them in on the page with approval of course?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 15:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:We aren't sure if the leak is legitimate. It could be a hoax to hype up the nostalgia train from the recent pre-RG reveals.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:25, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::Are you serious? Do you really think someone spent the time and effort to build a ROM that isn't based off of the Gold ROM, created 100 new Pokemon, added new items and removed features like breeding, changed base stats, and then made the game basically unplayable without the debug menu so they could "hype up the nostalgia train"? Are you an idiot?--[[User:Nintenfreak|Nintenfreak]] ([[User talk:Nintenfreak|talk]]) 06:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:::In my opinion, it's too much of a coincidence that it comes a month (weeks?) after the RG stuff. And there are such things as hoaxers putting in the utmost effort to make something appear legitimate.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Also, it's a demo/prototype, making it unplayable would help make it seem legitimate.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::::So, it really shouldn't need saying, but it really deserves it right now: Let's ''not'' get into slinging insults, 'kay?
::::The things you mention are persuasive, Nintenfreak, but at least for a while, we'd like to give it a bit of time to see how things look when people have had more than just a few dozen hours to look at it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

== Honoguma and Kurusu ==

The images used for Honoguma and Kurusu are not official art- they are fan recreations ([http://www.glitterberri.com/pokemon-gold-silver/spaceworld-97-demo/]). Should they be removed? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 18:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:The images for early Marill, Girafarig, and Ledyba are fan created as well. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 19:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
::As far as Glitterberri is concerned, seems all the images were recreated shortly after the SpaceWorld 1997 event. Given they have font all over them (as does the early Silver fan created art), it seems more than likely they were recreated to display in a gaming magazine at the time. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 03:11, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 23:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
::::The fan art was made for someone's personal website, just fyi. https://twitter.com/dmrn28/status/1006084888712208384 [[User:Yoriven|Yoriven]] ([[User talk:Yoriven|talk]]) 11:56, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

== Leaked Pokémon from Spaceworld Demo of Pokémon Gold/Silver. ==

So just recently, the 1997 Spaceworld demo for Pokémon Gold & Silver has just resurfaced on the Internet, and it turns out that there was a BUNCH of Pokémon that have not been used or have been heavily altered in the final release. Considering that there is about a hundred of these unused/altered Pokémon, how should we even list them on here? [[User:SquirtleLover1999|SquirtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:SquirtleLover1999|talk]]) 07:52, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:We are aware and is being discussed above.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::I mean, unless it is proven to not be fake it shouldn't be added, right? [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:53, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Exactly.

:::Adding to the discussion, though. This link was posted in the Bulbapedia discord: [https://iimarckus.org/spaceworld/]

:::Obviously it's not a source that would confirm something, but the fact that there was unused data in Gold and Silver that matches the Spaceworld leaked demo ''that was not noticed until after the demo leaked'' is certainly interesting. It's not my call, though, we need to wait for staff to reach a decision regarding the demo until anything is treated as fact. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 23:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I, personally, believe this is fake. There are some discrepancies in the demo contents with some info (such as some of Kouichi Hiwasa's account to Glitterberri) as well as some questionable sprites in it. The staff is probably divided too, but I wonder if it is really possible to reach a veredict without an official pronouncement by GF or Nintendo. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 00:54, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::Reading through Hiwasa's account, it mostly seems to match up, but I digress; my opinion isn't really important for Bulbapedia's purposes. You do bring up an interesting point with "I wonder if it is really possible to reach a verdict without an official pronouncement by GF or Nintendo". I highly, highly doubt that anyone from GF will ever even acknowledge the fact that this supposed demo version is out there, let alone confirm or refute its authenticity. The closest thing to an acknowledgement from a GF employee I know of is [https://twitter.com/JamesTurner_42/status/1002193807503376384 James Turner saying that it was the first he had heard of the demo]. Staff knows the parameters for confirming something without a reasonable doubt though, and I have confidence that they know how to treat this demo. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 01:14, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::Didn't see the discussion here, and I didn't know it was a... divisive topic to put it simply. And judging by what they are saying here, it's almost impossible to prove unless someone that played the demo 21 years ago says anything or an ex-GF member confirms it. Guess I shouldn't have said anything at the GS beta page. --[[User:Prog rocker|Prog rocker]] ([[User talk:Prog rocker|talk]]) 02:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I don't thinking trusting the memory from someone who played it 21 years ago is somewhat reliable. The only way to nail it down would be GF or Nintendo confirming it. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 03:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: What about the memory of multiple people who played it 21 years ago? [[User:Yoriven|Yoriven]] ([[User talk:Yoriven|talk]]) 20:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

== The Game Review Magazine ==

As a question, I was wondering why the details of the Game Review Magazine are current on the article. While I can understand Tyranitar due to being recycled for the games, [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/features/sugimori_kens_works.html the designs were just created on the fly for a topic in the magazine]. Would it be ok to remove everything except for Tyranitar when the article is unlocked? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 18:13, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
:Eh, even if they were just made as a what if scenario, they were still drawn. So I think it should stay.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

== Another discussion about Beta Pokemon Gold ==

I think it's already been mentioned that the leak might have been a hoax. Now that we've "given it a bit of time" and it's been more than "a few dozen hours", can someone add the new leaks to the page? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
:I think that when information is finished on userspace pages, it would be able to be moved to the mainspace. However, different users have different ideas on how this would look— [[User:Celadonkey/Spaceworld|mine]] and [[User:Abcboy/Pokémon Gold and Silver demo/Pokémon|Abcboy's]] are pretty different, for example.

:That being said, though, I think that if we were able to add this kind of stuff to the mainspace, even if it's not fully complete yet, it would be completed quicker, and there would be more discussion on how to format it and such. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 21:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
::The main focus should be fleshing out the userpages first. Do '''NOT''' add the leak Pokémon on this article. The staff will discuss how to go about putting the leak info on the mainspace.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:34, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure that the supposed leak was faked. As such, we probably shouldn't mainspace the information within.[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 03:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
::::As far as I've heard there hasn't been any recent developments about it. What makes you think that? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to hear your thoughts. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 17:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

This analysis seems to solidify the existence of two beta GSC pokemon, particularly Kotora and Raitora.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq971cWWzq8&t=82s
--[[User:Flashlight237|Flashlight237]] ([[User talk:Flashlight237|talk]]) 18:03, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:Any update on the staff discussion? Work on the pages seems to be rather disorganized at the moment- as well as pretty dead. [[User:Yoriven|Yoriven]] ([[User talk:Yoriven|talk]]) 21:59, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
::New comments go at the bottom of the discussion. Have patience, there are other things taking priority at the moment. Users should be focusing on filling out the userpages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:56, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

== Kabiin, Buhi and Papyo are not from Capumon ==

These three monsters come from a different document and can't be positively dated. Anyways the word "Pokémon" appears on their storyboards along with GameFreak's final logo (which first appeared in Pulseman) at least confirming that they weren't featured in the 1990 pitch. I propose to separate them from the Capumon group.[[User:Qbertpo|Qbertpo]] ([[User talk:Qbertpo|talk]]) 10:51, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== Add the Four "MissingNo." That were Identified ==

I suggest adding the four MissingNo. that have been identified recently. I know that we must not acknowledge the spaceworld leak. [https://helixchamber.com/2018/08/06/game-center-cx-and-you/ Source.] {{unsigned|Kingdedede}}

== The Unused Female Character ==
The unused female character has now appeared in an actual Pokémon game as Green. I propose we create a new page for this character, as it seems to be strongly indicated that she is not the same character as Leaf (though Leaf is partially based on the character, they are not the same). --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 05:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

== NHK Broadcast revealed scrapped Pokemon "Omega" and early Gyarados design. ==
Helix Chamber has confirmed it to be real as well;
https://twitter.com/benisboy/status/1075154504792731648 {{unsigned|Pichu Madman26}}
:Interesting. I'd say it's worth adding. That Gyarados looks really cool, by the way. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 18:14, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

== Pokemon GS Beta and Pokemon Green Prototype Data ==
Okay, so the issue has been up for months now of whether the Pokemon GS Spaceworld demo is real. Various pieces of evidence have been brought up, from leftover assets to discoveries of 4 MissingNo, not only proving the existence of unseen beta Pokemon, but two of them matching suspiciously with Kotora and Raitora [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq971cWWzq8&t=15s]. Many things showed favor of this thing being legit, and nothing giving much against it, that is until, the Pokemon Green leaked assets. Due to being poorly presented, many took it as fake, and questioned the overall authenticity of Helix Chamber. But as of today, scans of a Famitsu magazine have been made public. Various concept arts and better quality images of sprites have been revealed. But what really drew my attention was this tweet [https://twitter.com/helixchamber/status/1126145212785594375]. If the proto assets were fake, how would the faker get these right? They had no way of knowing, unless it was made by someone at Pokemon, although that would only make it seem more authentic. This is definite evidence of the assets being real, poorly revealed, but real. Knowing this, even more authenticity is added to the Pokemon GS demo being real. This is because various baby Pokemon and the Kotora and Raitora line are found in the assets and are seen in the Spaceworld demo. I really think a decision needs to be made, because more and more evidence is piling up to the Spaceworld Demo and now the Proto-Green Assets, and more and more questions will rise if the staff at Bulbapedia don't put their foot down on what these are. I understand being wary to add info about the Proto-Green Assets, but Spaceworld has had months of waiting, just to be proven beyond reasonable doubt as real. At this point these should be declared on Bulbapedia as real, or as fake, and have that as Bulbapedia's final decision on the matter. [[User:LeapingRiolu|LeapingRiolu]] ([[User talk:LeapingRiolu|talk]]) 04:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
:Helix Chamber wasn’t the one who released the Spaceworld rom, so the RG incident shouldn’t have affected its already proven without a doubt veracity. Unfortunately, for some people, it has. But yes, I agree. Both prototypes are 100% real. Frankly Spaceworld should have been added several months ago. I feel like Spaceworld also has enough information to warrant much more than just a few additions on this page, and should be expanded to its own pages. Let’s hope we get a full rom of an RG prototype someday, but for now it should go on this page and/or the Pokémon Red and Green beta page. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 11:42, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
::I don't think a small snippet from Famitsu, and one where we already know most of the information, proves that the RG leak is "100% real". Unless Famitsu or any other official/credible source releases more RG beta content, the RG leak could very well be 100% fake. As for spaceworld, still no official/credible source for that, so I'm still doubtful on that. Yes, it's highly unlikely we'll get official sources for it, and that's just too bad. But for things like beta content, we can really only trust the official sources and not some "leak" from some "anonymous" source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:53, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
:::A lot of the sprites from the Famitsu magazine and the RG asset leak are identical. Some of these sprites were never seen before. Unless whoever sent Helix Chamber has a time machine, this is impossible. Spaceworld has already been confirmed on multiple fronts to be real by experts, and was also confirmed by the RG assets. To be blunt, at this point, claiming either is fake is just denial. It’s hurting the integrity of the wiki to ignore such important information, quite honestly. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Oh, and in case more than trainer sprites were needed, which should prove it without a doubt, two names from the RG assets that AFAIK have not appeared before, Ichirou and Yuuichi, appeared in the Famitsu scan. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 19:07, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
::::There's a reason these things are anonymous. We have no idea how anyone would have gotten their hands on these pieces of Pokemon history. Pokemon has confirmed that they look back at old concepts and such for inspiration, so the only way I see it getting out is blatant theft. And if the person revealing the Beta and Assets did give their name, they'd more than likely lose their job and suffer legal consequences. [[User:LeapingRiolu|LeapingRiolu]] ([[User talk:LeapingRiolu|talk]]) 21:15, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2019-05-09T04:04:07Z

LeapingRiolu:

Talk:Tweaking

2019-02-15T07:46:54Z

LeapingRiolu: /* Pal Park Retire Regigas */ new section

.PERMANENT?

Is this glitch fixable or not?
Because my game's stuck.

Just turn your game off and turn it back on and everything should be all right. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 18:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

SURE?

Yeah, I'm sure! Try it, and if it isn't you can come to this page and yell at me. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 12:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== Fourth Gear ==

This article mentions having your bike in Fourth Gear. Isn't there only two gears on the Sinnoh bike? {{unsigned|FentonBailey}}
:Yeah. Third gear (low) and fourth gear (high). Don't ask me why they just didn't say first and second. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
::It's because they (GameFreak) wanted to make it as ''realistic'' as possible... Oh My God... [[User:Tesh|TESH]][[User Talk:Tesh|TALK]][[User:Tesh/Sandbox|SAND]] 20:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It's about how fast they are compared to walking. So Running Shoes could count as second gear. --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 01:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== The Events (Trying to get them - In process) ==

I've heard alot of people saying that this glitch can cause effects (such as doing this on Route 224 results Shaymin) allowing the player to access the event Pokémon. Though this hasn't been proved yet it would be sufficiant if we tried out and found a way of doing this by discussing tecniques in this section. [[User:PokéZoe|PokéZoe]][[User talk:PokéZoe|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/PokéZoe|Contribs]] 21:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:It is impossible to perform it on route 224 =( [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 22:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::Screw doing it on 224. If you can tweak to get yourself behind a building entrance you can get into the black around indoors areas, and find a way through the interconnected blackspace to the Flower Paradise. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:::How do you... can you explain yourself? xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

==North American Version==
was this removed in the american version, as i play the american version but I'm having trouble tweaking.[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''UkiraGrace''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 23:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:'wasn't. I tried it on mine. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:22 17 May 2008'''''

== load lines ==

I have been doing this glitch and i have come to a new conclusion,you only need to tweak on the tiles that are before and after the load line also entering the tiles after the load line in a specific tile where it has another perpendicular load line,no need to more tweaking,by only tweaking on these tiles the glitch will be triggered,proven by myself.

== Possible on average DS? ==

Is it possible to press left right up and down at the same time on an ordinary DS?{{unsigned|PikaBlu}}
:By "ordinary DS" do you mean an original DS ("DS Phat") as opposed to a DS Lite?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, it is possible. How do I know? I owned the original and tried it. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:09 21 Jun 2008'''''

== Mystery Zone ==

Yes you can get there. I did so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

== !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-daIFPrtJw --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 22:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Save Turnback ==

I encountered this error after a tweak froze the game. It has happened twice, and the first time it pissed me off because I had just caught Mesprit, and then it took me back to the save file right before I caught it... -colbenik
:It has never happened to me. Sorry. Also, take a look (seriously) at [[Bulbapedia:Signature policy|this]]. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Overhaul ==

Doing it. Will be done tomorrow afternoon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== That is not true ==

I've being checking this article a lot to see what changes you people do, and you come and go saying it can be done on platinum, and then that it can't, but I have to tell you it '''can''' be performed there, I've done it myself! Well... didn't actually did it correctly because I poped up the menu and then saw my bag to register the explorer kit and when I got back to the black zone it had realoaded again, YES I know that was stupid, but whatever, the point here is that I could get into the black zone IN MY PLATINUM COPY... AMERICAN! so... I would edit the article myself but I guess you woudn't let me until somebody else confirms it with me. I'm waiting for replies.
PS: I know that even if I had got to Darkrai's plance it won't be there so, anyway I was just testing this :D
- ''unsigned comment from {{u|YukitoOoO}} ([[User talk:YukitoOoO|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/YukitoOoO|contribs]]) ''

Oops sorry, I didn't sign before ;D [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

:Tweaking works on my American Platinum copy too. I tweaked into the interior of the poketch building using the same method as on Diamond/Pearl. But when I got into the interior, there were alot more invisible walls that stopped me from leaving the area.
:[[User:Forkk|Forkk]] 21:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hall Of Origin ==

Why is this article saying that if you get into the Hall Of Origin then you will be stuck there forever? Can't you just [[teleport]] out? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 01:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I'll change it incase you can. I didn't think of that when I added it. Thanks [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 03:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== How is this possible? ==

''It may also cause the game to become permanently frozen, requiring a new game to be started.''

Ummm...how can this occur if you don't save? Is it done by entering Sinnoh Underground, which causes saving? Are there other ways of locking up the save file via tweaking as well? I think that someone who is either very good at tweaking (not me) or someone who has DPPt as a ROM on an emulator with TAS tools (PLEASE, only if you actually OWN the game) should investigate.
[[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 00:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

It's probably just anti-glitching propaganda [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 02:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:Well, has it been proven that the game cannot permanently be frozen via this method? If not, it should be proven. If so, it should be mentioned in the article. If it has been proven that the game can be frozen indefinitly, how it is done should be mentioned. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 04:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps they were meaning a permanent Black Screen upon restarting the game after saving in random places, that happens often and only cheating can fix it. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 20:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Invisible Wall==
I was tweaking in Jubilife City in Pearl and I created an "invisible wall" on the west side of the TV station. I've heard reports of this happening to other tweakers, too. Should this be added to the article? —'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|Team Magma]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|Zangoose ⚡]]''' 04:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Other tweaking spots ==

Can you do it anywhere there's an intersection of load lines and a doorway? And if so, wouldn't it be easier to tweak from Iron Island (with the cave entrance) to get Darkrai, and LotV Island to get to Shaymin? [[User:Piraka~Mistika|Ṕїґαкα~Ṃḯṧтїкα]] 18:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

== You CANNOT get Arceus from Tweaking ==

Arceus' battle has a flag that must be check to activate it, and this cannot be done without an Action Replay. I'm removing the information. {{unsigned|Shadow Light Master}}

== Unaccessable Void ==

I've successfully spawned a void at least 3 times, but I can't enter it. I've also froze my game and created an invisible wall several times each. Am I doing something wrong or are the effects random?--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 01:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
:What game are you playing? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Pearl.--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 02:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind. It resolved itself. I've got Shaymin!--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 23:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Seven Stars Restaurant ==

Ive encountered a wierd problem twice in a row. When I got to about 50,000 steps, the message you recieve when the 7 stars restaraunt is closed appeared, the player exits the restaraunt as the graphics reload. I'm going to try again later after setting my DS' clock to 9:00. Should this issue be mentioned anywhere in the article?--[[User:William slattery|William slattery]] ([[User talk:William slattery|talk]]) 11:24, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
:No, you just had bad luck. Also did it at night, so it's possible for this to happen, since you randomly switch locations. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 15:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
::This is nothing new, you can change your time or detour around it. Hall of origin (the website) have plenty of information regarding the void. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] ([[User talk:OwnageMuch|talk]]) 22:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

== Roark Underground ==

I recently bought a second hand copy of Pokémon Diamond (for pure nostalgia purposes), and I decided to try tweaking for Shaymin to see what all the fuss was about. (I had three Gym Badges, already received the Bicycle, a Staravia with Fly, and the Explorer Kit on register all ready for tweaking) and when I got past the Jubilife Pokétch Building and had gone north exactly 137 steps, the Sinnoh Underground music started playing, as it should, however there was a "ding" sound effect (the same one used for surprise exclamation marks), and the game immediately froze. Later I realised that I hadn't been to the underground yet in this new game, and remembered that Roark would be down there waiting to introduce me to the Sinnoh Underground, and remembered that a 'surprise exclamation mark' pops up above his head when you go down for the first time, before his gives his speech on how to use the Sinnoh Underground (I have excellent memory of the first Pokémon games that I played! :) ). I reset the game, went underground, and sure enough Roark was waiting for me. A 'surprise exclamation mark poppped above his head automatically, and he started his speech. I saved the game, and am trying now to open another void that I can get into. Would it be safe to say/include in the article, that tweaking will not work (i.e. freeze the game after 137 steps north) unless you have visited the Sinnoh Underground at least once before trying the glitch?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 13:53, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

== Is this true? ==

I've been spotting people who are saying that the Darkrai and Shaymin that can be gained from Tweaking cannot be transfered past Generation V and will be rejected from the Pokebank. Is this true? And if so, would this be worth mentioning on the article? ([[User:PixelMuffin|Do you know...The Muffin Man?]] ([[User talk:PixelMuffin|talk]]) 00:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC))

:It appears this is true. I got a Shaymin using the void glitch, got it from Diamond to White, but then when I tried to use the PokéTransporter it said I had a "problematic" Pokémon that was removed from the transfer box. Not sure how it recognizes the Shaymin as glitched, but it does. [[User:Almostmastermk|Almostmastermk]] ([[User talk:Almostmastermk|talk]]) 18:06, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
::Tweaked Darkrai and Shaymin from DP don't have the fateful encounter flag set. Pokébank rejects Pokémon without the fateful encounter flag that should have it (so, since Darkrai and Shaymin have never been legitimately made available without it, they're rejected). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:45, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== Encountering Legendary Pokémon (Platinum, specifically) ==

This page claims that Darkrai and Shaymin are unobtainable in Platinum without their respective event items. However, Arceus has been proven to be obtainable from the Void, and this page doesn't mention his obtainability in Platinum. Is there any source that says he is obtainable?? [[User:Bulldogs1234869|Bulldogs1234869]] ([[User talk:Bulldogs1234869|talk]]) 13:26, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Pal Park Retire Regigas ==

The way the Pal Park Retire works is that it forces flags to be set off right? In theory doesn't that mean you can do the same for that place in the snowpoint temple as done in hall of origin?

Talk:Brine Cave

2019-02-11T23:55:54Z

LeapingRiolu: /* Treasure Boxes */

Recruitable or not? I'm confused. This also applies to [[Treeshroud Forest]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Treasure Boxes ==

Treasure Boxes drop from Pokemon, they don't just randomly spawn in the dungeon. Should they even be listed? [[User:LeapingRiolu|LeapingRiolu]] ([[User talk:LeapingRiolu|talk]]) 23:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

2018-06-03T01:06:47Z

LeapingRiolu:

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Mantine}}
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'''Mantine''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''マンタイン''' ''Mantain'') is a dual-type {{2t|Water|Flying}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation II]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Mantyke}} when [[level]]ed up with a {{p|Remoraid}} in the [[party]].

==Biology==
Mantine is a large, manta ray-like Pokémon with wide fins and two ring-shaped marks on its back. Its back is a dark blue with a jagged outline on its wings. It has a streamer-like tail and long "antennae". Two pairs of gills are visible on its gray underside, as well as a pair of beady eyes and a small mouth. Generally, it is pictured with a {{p|Remoraid}} attached to the underside of one wing, much like a cleaner fish. Mantine can fly in the air if it builds up enough speed, in a similar manner to how real-life manta rays breach the surface, and can soar gracefully out of the water. Mantine is mostly docile. It thrives in {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Sea Pokémon|open seas}}.

In [[Alola]], many surfers [[Mantine Surf|ride on backs of Mantine]] to ride waves and travel between islands. This has made it an icon in the region, being featured on souvenir postcards and posters.

==In the anime==
[[File:Marlon Mantine.png|230px|thumb|left|Mantine in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
===Major appearances===
Mantine debuted in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown: Entei]]'', though it was an illusion created by [[Molly Hale]] thanks to the power of the {{OBP|Unown|M03}}. Molly used it against [[Misty's Staryu]].

Mantime made its main series debut in ''[[EP214|Mantine Overboard!]]'', under the ownership of [[Luka]]. It was seen protecting the Silver Wing.

A Mantine appeared in ''[[EP256|Just Add Water]]'', under the ownership of [[Dorian]], owner of the unofficial [[Coastline Gym]].

A Mantine appeared in ''[[BW094|The Road to Humilau!]]'', under the ownership of [[Marlon]]. It battled {{un|Cameron}}'s {{p|Ferrothorn}} and beat it, but later lost to Cameron's {{p|Samurott}}.

{{an|Brock}}'s mother, [[Lola]], owns a Mantine, which was used in her battle against [[Brock's Onix]] in ''[[SS001|A Family That Battles Together Stays Together!]]''.

In ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', [[Jack Walker]] used his [[Capture Styler]] on one of the Mantine passing by him, so it could help Jack get away from [[The Phantom]] during the beginning of the movie. Multiple other Mantine also appeared in the same movie. They briefly reappeared in a montage in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', which chronicled the preceding nine movies.

A Mantine appeared in ''[[DP039|Steamboat Willies!]]'', under the ownership of an {{OBP|Old man|DP039}} who owned a ship. It helped {{Ash}} and {{an|Dawn}} save the ship from falling off a waterfall. This Mantine was [[Giant Pokémon|bigger than usual]].

===Minor appearances===
[[File:Mantine Remoraid Surf.png|200px|thumb|left|A Mantine in the anime, with a {{p|Remoraid}} attached]]
A Mantine, along with two {{p|Chinchou}}, escorted {{OBP|Latias|M05}} over to {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}}' boat in ''[[M05|Pokémon Heroes: Latios & Latias]]''. Also, another one competed in the [[Tour de Alto Mare]].

A Mantine appeared in the opening sequences of ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' and ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

A Mantine owned by a {{pkmn|Coordinator}} appeared in ''[[AG180|May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!]]'', with a {{p|Remoraid}} attached to it.

Multiple Mantine made brief cameo appearances in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.

A Mantine appeared in a flashback in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]'', where [[Buck]] used it to swim underwater.

A Mantine appeared in ''[[XY022|Going for the Gold!]]'', where it was among the Pokémon seen in the [[Ambrette Town]] aquarium.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP214|Mantine|Ash's Pokédex|Mantine, the Kite Pokémon. Mantine swims about the ocean majestically, and may fly out of the water if it builds up enough speed.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Tibo.png|thumb|150px|Mantine in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{adv|Gold}} catches a Mantine and names him Tibo as he floats in the sea in ''[[PS147|Lively Lugia II]]'', which helps him in his attempt to defeat {{p|Lugia}}, powered by the {{p|Remoraid}} Gold received for flight transport.

In ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]'' a Mantine was one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]].

A Mantine is seen as one of the aquarium Pokémon seen in [[Archie]]'s collection in ''[[PS192|Stick This in Your Craw, Crawdaunt I]]''.

In ''[[PS326|Lemme at 'Em, Lapras!]]'', {{FB|Factory Head|Noland}} gives {{adv|Emerald}} one of his Mantine from the Battle Factory.

Multiple Mantine appeared in [[PS541]].

A [[Poké Ride]] Mantine used by [[Professor Burnet]] appeared in the {{chap|Sun & Moon}} Another one appeared in a flashback.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Mantine (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=As it majestically swims, it doesn't care if {{p|Remoraid}} attach to it for scavenging its leftovers.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=Swimming freely in open seas, it may fly out of the water and over the waves if it builds up enough speed.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=It swims along freely, eating things that swim into its mouth. Its whole body is very coarse.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=As it majestically swims, it doesn't care if Remoraid attach to it for scavenging its leftovers.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=On sunny days, schools of Mantine can be seen elegantly leaping over the sea's waves. This Pokémon is not bothered by the Remoraid that hitches rides.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=On sunny days, schools of Mantine can be seen elegantly leaping over the waves. It is not bothered by the Remoraid that hitches rides.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=Swimming freely in open seas, it may fly out of the water and over the waves if it builds up enough speed.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=As it majestically swims, it doesn't care if Remoraid attach to it for scavenging its leftovers.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Diamond|entry=When the waves are calm, one may encounter a swarm of Mantine swimming as if they are in flight.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=It swims elegantly, mindless of Remoraid hitching on to its broad fins. It has a docile nature.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=While elegantly swimming in the sea, it ignores Remoraid that cling to its fins seeking food scraps.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=As it majestically swims, it doesn't care if Remoraid attach to it for scavenging its leftovers.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=Swimming freely in open seas, it may fly out of the water and over the waves if it builds up enough speed.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=While elegantly swimming in the sea, it ignores Remoraid that cling to its fins seeking food scraps.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=If it builds up enough speed swimming, it can fly over {{tt|300 feet|100 meters}} out of the water from the surface of the ocean.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=If it builds up enough speed swimming, it can fly over {{tt|300 feet|100 meters}} out of the water from the surface of the ocean.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=While elegantly swimming in the sea, it ignores Remoraid that cling to its fins seeking food scraps.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=On sunny days, schools of Mantine can be seen elegantly leaping over the sea's waves. This Pokémon is not bothered by the Remoraid that hitches rides.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Sun|entry=Postcards and posters featuring Mantine leaping elegantly above the waves are popular souvenirs of Alola.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Moon|entry=Many people have taken up surfing because they admire how magnificently Mantine swims.}}
|}
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{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
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{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=FireRed|area=[[Trade]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|area=[[Tanoby Ruins]], [[Trainer Tower]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Colosseum|area=[[Pyrite Town]] {{color2|{{shadow color}}|Shadow Pokémon|(Shadow)}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=XD|link=Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Mantyke}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Mantyke}}}}
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{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=SoulSilver}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pal Park|color={{locationcolor/light|ocean}}|link=Pal Park|area={{DL|List of Pokémon by Pal Park location|Sea}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=fff|area=[[Undella Town]], [[Undella Bay]] ({{m|Surf}}ing in {{DL|Phenomenon|rippling water}})}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=fff|area=[[Undella Bay]]{{sup/s|Sp}}{{sup/s|Su}}{{sup/s|A}}, {{rt|21|Unova}} ({{m|Surf}}ing in {{DL|Phenomenon|rippling water}})}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Dream World|color={{dream color}}|area={{dwa|Sparkling Sea}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=X|v2=Y|t=fff|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Mantyke}}}}
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{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sun|v2=Moon}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Ultra Sun|v2=Ultra Moon|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Mantyke}}}}
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====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/NA/Side|gen=II}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=[[Secret Storage 14]], Endless Level 12, Trozei Battle, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=MD Red|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Grand Sea]] (30F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=MD Blue|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Wonder Mail]] code}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Ranger|link=Pokémon Ranger (game)|area=[[Safra Sea]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Miracle Sea]] (B1F-B18F, Deep Miracle Sea B1F-B3F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Miracle Sea]] (B1F-B18F, Deep Miracle Sea B1F-B3F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: SoA|color={{SoA color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|area=[[Puel Sea]], [[Sea of Wailord]]}}

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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Beach: [[Challenger's Ground]] (Post-ending)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Variety Battle#Empoleon the Great|Variety Battle: Empoleon the Great]]}}
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{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[White Ruins (Rumble World)#Seabreeze Trail|White Ruins: Seabreeze Trail]] (All Areas)}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

Mantine will not appear in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team until a rescue mission involving it has been completed, using a Wonder Mail code such as the following:
:4 ? ? N 2 2 ... ? ? Q 6 J
:H 3 ? ♂ 8 4 7 0 J N ? W
:Objective: Escort {{p|Kirlia}} to Mantine on floor 3 of [[Tiny Woods]].

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Gust Mantine|English|United States|5|July 12 to August 8, 2002|link=List of Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Gust Mantine}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Gather More Pokémon! Third Campaign Mantine|Japanese|Japan|10|January 14 to 29, 2006|link=List of Gather More Pokémon! Campaign event Pokémon#Mantine}}
|}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
=====Generation II-VI=====
{{BaseStats
|type=Water
|type2=Flying
|HP=65
|Attack=40
|Defense=70
|SpAtk=80
|SpDef=140
|Speed=70}}

=====Generation VII=====
{{BaseStats
|type=Water
|type2=Flying
|HP=85
|Attack=40
|Defense=70
|SpAtk=80
|SpDef=140
|Speed=70}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|type2=Flying
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Water
|type2=Flying
|Normal= 100
|Fighting= 50
|Flying= 100
|Poison= 100
|Ground= 0
|Rock= 200
|Bug= 50
|Ghost= 100
|Steel= 50
|Fire= 50
|Water= 50
|Grass= 100
|Electric=400
|Psychic= 100
|Ice= 100
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 100
|notes=yes
|waterabsorb=maybe
|flying=yes
|newground=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Bullet Seed|Grass|Physical|25|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Bubble Beam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|3|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|7|Bubble Beam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|11|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|14|Wing Attack|Flying|Physical|60|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|16|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|19|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|23|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|27|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|32|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level7|36|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|39|Aqua Ring|Water|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|46|Bounce|Flying|Physical|85|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|49|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM19|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM94|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM98|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|054|Psyduck}}{{MSP|055|Golduck}}{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|194|Wooper}}{{MSP|195|Quagsire}} {{MSP|368|Gorebyss}}{{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}}|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|194|Wooper}}{{MSP|195|Quagsire}}{{MSP|283|Surskit}}{{MSP|658|Greninja}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|007|Squirtle}}{{MSP|008|Wartortle}}{{MSP|009|Blastoise}}{{MSP|054|Psyduck}}{{MSP|055|Golduck}}{{MSP|060|Poliwag}} {{MSP|061|Poliwhirl}}{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|138|Omanyte}} {{MSP|139|Omastar}}{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}}{{MSP|183|Marill}}{{MSP|184|Azumarill}} {{MSP|223|Remoraid}}{{MSP|224|Octillery}}{{MSP|226|Mantine}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|271|Lombre}}{{MSP|279|Pelipper}} {{MSP|350|Milotic}}{{MSP|367|Huntail}}{{MSP|368|Gorebyss}}{{MSP|369|Relicanth}}{{MSP|393|Piplup}}{{MSP|394|Prinplup}} {{MSP|395|Empoleon}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|535|Tympole}}{{MSP|536|Palpitoad}}{{MSP|537|Seismitoad}} {{MSP|564|Tirtouga}}{{MSP|565|Carracosta}}{{MSP|594|Alomomola}}{{MSP|656|Froakie}}{{MSP|657|Frogadier}}{{MSP|658|Greninja}} {{MSP|690|Skrelp}}{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}{{MSP|728|Popplio}}{{MSP|729|Brionne}}{{MSP|730|Primarina}}|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|222|Corsola}}{{MSP|751|Dewpider}}{{MSP|752|Araquanid}}|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|194|Wooper}}{{MSP|195|Quagsire}}{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}{{MSP|422|Shellos}}{{MSP|423|Gastrodon}}{{MSP|618|Stunfisk}} {{MSP|771|Pyukumuku}}|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|087|Dewgong}}{{MSP|223|Remoraid}}{{MSP|224|Octillery}}{{MSP|226|Mantine}}|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|†}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|147|Dratini}}{{MSP|148|Dragonair}}{{MSP|149|Dragonite}}{{MSP|194|Wooper}}{{MSP|195|Quagsire}}|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|349|Feebas}}{{MSP|692|Clauncher}}{{MSP|693|Clawitzer}}|Splash|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|279|Pelipper}}{{MSP|580|Ducklett}}{{MSP|581|Swanna}}|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15|†}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|116|Horsea}}{{MSP|117|Seadra}}{{MSP|230|Kingdra}}{{MSP|147|Dratini}}{{MSP|148|Dragonair}}{{MSP|149|Dragonite}} {{MSP|350|Milotic}}{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|054|Psyduck}}{{MSP|055|Golduck}}{{MSP|060|Poliwag}}{{MSP|061|Poliwhirl}}{{MSP|086|Seel}}{{MSP|183|Marill}} {{MSP|184|Azumarill}}{{MSP|271|Lombre}}{{MSP|279|Pelipper}}{{MSP|283|Surskit}}{{MSP|284|Masquerain}}{{MSP|350|Milotic}} {{MSP|393|Piplup}}{{MSP|394|Prinplup}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|580|Ducklett}}{{MSP|581|Swanna}} {{MSP|594|Alomomola}}{{MSP|692|Clauncher}}{{MSP|693|Clawitzer}}{{MSP|751|Dewpider}}{{MSP|771|Pyukumuku}}|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|226|Mantine}}{{MSP|564|Tirtouga}}{{MSP|565|Carracosta}}{{MSP|594|Alomomola}}{{MSP|747|Mareanie}}{{MSP|748|Toxapex}} {{MSP|752|Araquanid}}|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breedf/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Bounce|Flying|Physical|85|85|5||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Defog|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Gunk Shot|Poison|Physical|120|80|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Liquidation|Water|Physical|85|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/prevo7null}}
{{learnlist/prevof/7|Mantine|Water|Flying|2}}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Spindata/Trozei|col=6|type=Water|ndex=226|rarity=Common}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDRB|col=6|type=Water|ndex=226
|body=2
|rate=9.5
|area=Serene Sea
|P1=I don't let little things bother me.
|P2=Uh-oh... My HP is at half already.
|P3=I can't keep going... I don't even have the power to swim...
|PL=I leveled up! Oh, what a glorious feeling it is!
}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDTDS|col=6|type=Water|ndex=226
|body=2
|rate=8.2
|IQ=H
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger|col=6|type=Water
|group=Water
|assist=Water
|fieldpower=0
|field=None
|loop=8
|MinEXP=N/A
|MaxEXP=N/A
|browser=Mantine leaps out of the water, then charges with its massive body.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger SoA|col=6|type=Water
|group=Water
|assist=Water
|field=Swim
|fieldpower=-
|browser=It swims leisurely. It rams to attack.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger GS|col=6|type=Water
|group=Water
|assist=Water
|field=Cut
|fieldpower=4
|past=NA
|browser=It attacks by spitting bubbles that make Pokémon Slowed.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleBlast|col=6|type=Water
|att=3
|def=5
|speed=3
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=3|type=Water|ndex=226
|power=2
}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Water|stype=Flying|ndex=226|num=563
|min=60
|max=105
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Risk-Taker
|skilldesc=Increases damage randomly.
|swapper=Flash Mob
}}
|-
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Water|ndex=226
|egg=10
|buddy=5
|hatch=10 km
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=130
|attack=148
|defense=260
|fast={{m|Bubble}}, {{m|Wing Attack}}
|special={{m|Water Pulse}}, {{m|Ice Beam}}, {{m|Aerial Ace}}
}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-2
|type1=Water
|type2=Flying
|pictype=art
|no1=458
|name1=Mantyke
|type1-1=Water
|type2-1=Flying
|evo1={{MS|223}} {{color2|000|Level|Level up}} with {{color2|000|Remoraid}} in {{color2|000|party}}
|breed={{bag|Wave Incense}} {{color2|000|Breed}} holding {{color2|000|Wave Incense}}
|no2=226
|name2=Mantine
|type1-2=Water
|type2-2=Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=226}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=226}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=226}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=226}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=226}}
{{Spritebox/7|ndex=226}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|226|Mantine}}

==Trivia==
* Despite the fact that Mantine evolve from Mantyke in the presence of a {{p|Remoraid}}, Remoraid has not been present on any of Mantine's sprites in the main series of games since Generation IV, in which this evolution method was introduced. This may be due to fact that the Remoraid used for evolution doesn't disappear after Mantine evolves from Mantyke.
*The Pokemon Gold Demo was leaked, showing a Beta Mantine, which pronounced in Japanese was haneei.(Awaiting permission to upload beta sprite)

===Origin===
It is similar to a {{wp|manta ray}}, with some {{wp|kite}}-like aspects. Its flying type seems to be a reference to {{wp|Mobula|flying rays}}, known as such due to their propensity for breaching. As {{p|Remoraid}}, a Pokémon based on a rifle, often attaches to the undersides of Mantine's wings, it may also be based on a {{wp|fighter plane}}.

====Name origin====
Mantine may be a combination of ''manta'' and ''marine'' or ''brine''.

Mantain may be a combination of ''manta'' and ''{{wp|River Tyne|Tyne}}'' (pronounced ''tain'').

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Water|type2=Flying
|ja=マンタイン ''Mantain''|jameaning=From ''manta'' and ''marine'' or ''brine''
|fr=Démanta|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|démon|demon}}'' and ''manta''
|es=Mantine|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Mantax|demeaning=From ''Manta'' and ''Maximum''
|it=Mantine|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=만타인 ''Mantine''|komeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name
|zh_cmn=巨翅飛魚 / 巨翅飞鱼 ''Jùchìfēiyú''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|巨翅 ''jùchì''|giant wings}} and {{tt|飛魚 / 飞鱼 ''fēiyú''|flying fish}}
|zh_yue=巨翅飛魚 ''Geuihchifēiyùh''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|巨翅 ''geuihchi''|giant wings}} and {{tt|飛魚 ''fēiyùh''|flying fish}}
|hi=मैनटाइन ''Mantine''|himeaning=Transcription of English name
|ru=Мантин ''Mantin''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
}}
 

==External links==

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{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Water|prevnum=225|prev=Delibird|nextnum=227|next=Skarmory}}
|}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Shadow Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum]]
[[Category:Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]

[[de:Mantax]]
[[es:Mantine]]
[[fr:Démanta]]
[[it:Mantine]]
[[ja:マンタイン]]
[[zh:巨翅飞鱼]]

Mareep (Pokémon)

2018-06-03T01:03:21Z

LeapingRiolu:

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Electric}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Mareep}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Electric|prevnum=178|prev=Xatu|nextnum=180|next=Flaaffy|roundleft=bl|roundright=br}}
|}
{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Mareep
|jname=メリープ
|jtranslit=Merīpu
|tmname=Merriep
|ndex=179
|jdex=053
|u2dex=025
|karea=Coastal
|kdex=127
|abrow=105
|obrow=007
|opbrow=120
|typebox=1
|type1=Electric
|category=Wool
|height-ftin=2'00"
|height-m=0.6
|weight-lbs=17.2
|weight-kg=7.8
|abilityn=d
|ability1=Static
|abilityd=Plus
|egggroupn=2
|egggroup1=Monster
|egggroup2=Field
|eggcycles=20
|evtotal=1
|evsa=1
|expyield=56
|oldexp=59
|lv100exp=1,059,860
|gendercode=127
|color=White
|catchrate=235
|body=08
|pokefordex=mareep
|generation=2
|friendship=70
}}
'''Mareep''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''メリープ''' ''Merriep'') is an {{type|Electric}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation II]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Flaaffy}} starting at [[level]] 15, which evolves into {{p|Ampharos}} starting at [[level]] 30.

==Biology==
Mareep is a sheep-like Pokémon with fluffy cream-colored wool covering its entire body, as well as a curly tuft of wool in the middle of its head. Its head is blue, and it has black eyes. Its four feet are blue and have two digits on each foot, and it appears to be on tiptoe at all times. Its conical ears and tail have a yellow-and-black striped pattern. Mareep has an orange sphere at the end of its tail, which acts like a small light bulb. This sphere glows brighter the more electricity it has.

Mareep's wool, which grows continuously, stores electricity, rubbing together and building a static charge. Its volume increases when it builds up with electricity. Touching the wool when it is charged will result in a static shock. During the summer, the fleece is shed, but it grows back in a week. Air is also stored in its fur, which allows it to stay cool during summer and warm during winter. It tends to avoid battle in the wild and has a mild disposition. Mareep is most often found in {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon|grassy fields}}, though it can also be found in farms where its wool is used in high-quality clothing.

==In the anime==
[[File:Ellie Mareep.png|thumb|left|250px|Mareep in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
[[File:Sugimori Mareep AG.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Ken Sugimori|Sugimori]] reference sheet for the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Mareep debuted in ''[[EP139|Mild 'n Wooly]]'', in which a flock was shepherded by a young girl named {{OBP|Mary|EP139}} and her mother. Mary had her own Mareep, which was nicknamed "Fluffy".

A Mareep appeared in ''[[AG148|A Chip Off the Old Brock]]'', under the ownership of {{OBP|Katie|AG148}}. It is used to make potions at her pharmacy.

A herd of ten Mareep appeared in ''[[BW113|The Light of Floccesy Ranch!]]'', under the ownership of [[Ellie]]. They reside at her farm and help her out with work.

===Minor appearances===
A Mareep appeared in ''[[EP146|Tricks of the Trade]]'', under the ownership of one of the Trainers present at the [[Pokémon Swap Meet]].

A Mareep was owned by [[Dr. Anna]] in ''[[EP165|Hassle in the Castle]]''. She uses to uses Mareep's electricity to run a low-voltage muscle stimulator.

A {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s Mareep briefly appeared in ''[[EP174|Imitation Confrontation]]''.

Multiple Mareep appeared in ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]'', under the ownership of [[Mareep farmer|a farmer]].

Multiple Mareep were among the {{t|Electric}} Pokémon that were lured by the "Miracle Crystal" that [[Attila]] and [[Hun]] were using in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]''.

Multiple Mareep appeared in {{an|Misty}}'s flashback in ''[[EP273|Gotta Catch Ya Later!]]''.

A Mareep appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.

A Mareep appeared in ''[[DP078|Pruning a Passel of Pals!]]''

A Mareep appeared in ''[[DP149|Sticking With Who You Know!]]''.

Multiple Mareep appeared in ''[[BW102|Team Eevee and the Pokémon Rescue Squad!]]'', where they were among the residents of a ranch at [[Virgil]]'s house.

A Mareep appeared in Meowth's fantasy in ''[[BW119|Meowth, Colress and Team Rivalry!]]''.

A Mareep appeared in [[SS027]].

Multiple Mareep appeared in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]''.

Two Mareep appeared in ''[[XY048|A Campus Reunion!]]''.

Multiple Mareep appeared in ''[[XY053|A Race for Home!]]''.

Four Mareep appeared in ''[[XY062|The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination!]]'', where they were among the {{type|Electric}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} being controlled by {{TRT}}.

Multiple Mareep appeared in ''[[XY098|Dream a Little Dream from Me!]]'' in a dream.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP139|Mareep|Ash's Pokédex|Mareep, the Wool Pokémon. Mareep store static electricity in their wooly coats. They avoid {{pkmn|battle}}s and have mild dispositions.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW113|Mareep|Ash's Pokédex|Mareep, the Wool Pokémon. When Mareep's wool builds up with static electricity, its size doubles.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Adventures===
Mareep debuted in ''[[PS117|Slugging It Out With Slugma]]'' where it is seen as one of the Pokémon at Earl's Pokémon Academy in [[Violet City]].

Mareep appears as one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]] in ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]''.

In ''[[PAXY10|Pangoro Poses a Problem]]'' multiple Mareep were among the {{type|electric}} Pokémon that charges the [[Prism Tower]] during a blackout.

A Mareep appeared in a fantasy in the {{chap|X & Y}}.

===In the Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys manga===
Falkner told {{GnB|Gold}} that {{GnB|Black}} used a Mareep to defeat his {{p|Pidgey}} and {{p|Pidgeotto}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Mareep (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Mareep figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Mareep|30}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=electric}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=If static electricity builds in its body, its fleece doubles in volume. Touching it will shock you.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=Its fleece grows continually. In the summer, the fleece is fully shed, but it grows back in a week.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=It stores lots of air in its soft fur, allowing it to stay cool in summer and warm in winter.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=If static electricity builds in its body, its fleece doubles in volume. Touching it will shock you.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Mareep's fluffy coat of wool rubs together and builds a static charge. The more static electricity is charged, the more brightly the lightbulb at the tip of its tail grows.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=Its fluffy wool rubs together and builds a static charge. The more energy is charged, the more brightly the lightbulb at the tip of its tail glows.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=Its fleece grows continually. In the summer, the fleece is fully shed, but it grows back in a week.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=If static electricity builds in its body, its fleece doubles in volume. Touching it will shock you.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=Its fluffy coat swells to double when static electricity builds up. Touching it can be shocking.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=If static electricity builds in its body, its fleece doubles in volume. Touching it will shock you.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=Its fleece grows continually. In the summer, the fleece is fully shed, but it grows back in a week.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=Its fluffy coat swells to double when static electricity builds up. Touching it can be shocking.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=When cold weather increases static electricity, its wool doubles in size and the tip of its tail glows slightly.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=Its fluffy coat swells to double when static electricity builds up. Touching it can be shocking.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=It stores lots of air in its soft fur, allowing it to stay cool in summer and warm in winter.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Mareep's fluffy coat of wool rubs together and builds a static charge. The more static electricity is charged, the more brightly the lightbulb at the tip of its tail glows.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Sun|entry=Clothing made from Mareep's fleece is easily charged with static electricity, so a special process is used on it.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Moon|entry=Rubbing its fleece generates electricity. You'll want to pet it because it's cute, but if you use your bare hand, you'll get a painful shock.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
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====In side games====
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{{Availability/Entry1|v=Channel|color={{water color}}|area=Upgrade binder}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=[[Huge Storage 5]], [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
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{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Amp Plains]] (1F-7F), [[Shimmer Hill]] (1F-17F), [[Final Maze]] (B1F-B48F)}}
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{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Jungle Area#Dangerous Rockets|Jungle Area: Dangerous Rockets]]}}
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====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|Language/Region|type=electric}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Gather More Pokémon! Sixth Campaign Mareep|Japanese|Japan|10|April 22 to May 8, 2006|link=List of Gather More Pokémon! Campaign event Pokémon#Mareep}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}|National Pokédex Mareep|Korean region|Online|10|September 15, 2015 to August 31, 2016|link=List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#National Pokédex Mareep}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=electric
|event1=Ampharosite|event1type=Mega Stone|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats
|type=electric
|HP=55
|Attack=40
|Defense=40
|SpAtk=65
|SpDef=45
|Speed=35}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Electric
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=3
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=electric
|Normal= 100
|Fighting=100
|Flying= 50
|Poison= 100
|Ground= 200
|Rock= 100
|Bug= 100
|Ghost= 100
|Steel= 50
|Fire= 100
|Water= 100
|Grass= 100
|Electric= 50
|Psychic= 100
|Ice= 100
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/7|Mareep|Electric|Electric|2}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level7|4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|90|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|8|Thunder Shock|Electric|Special|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|11|Cotton Spore|Grass|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level7|15|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|18|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|22|Electro Ball|Electric|Special|—|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|25|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|29|Power Gem|Rock|Special|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|32|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|36|Cotton Guard|Grass|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|39|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|43|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level7|46|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/7|Mareep|Electric|Electric|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/7|Mareep|Electric|Electric|2}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|90|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/7|Mareep|Electric|Electric|2}}

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====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
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{{learnlist/tutor7|Electroweb|Electric|Special|55|95|15||'''|no|yes}}
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{{learnlist/tutor7|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/7|Mareep|Electric|Electric|2}}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Electric}}
{{Spindata/Trozei|col=6|type=Electric|ndex=179|rarity=Common}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDRB|col=6|type=Electric|ndex=179
|body=1
|rate=11.9
|area=Thunder Meadow
|P1=I'm fluffy and warm!
|P2=Oh? Half my HP is gone so soon?
|P3=I can't take any more... I'm about to shed...
|PL=I gained a level! My fleece turned fluffier!
}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDTDS|col=6|type=Electric|ndex=179
|body=1
|rate=8.2
|IQ=F
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|-
{{Spindata/Ranger SoA|col=6|type=Electric
|group=Electric
|assist=Electric
|field=Electrify
|fieldpower=1
|browser=It attacks by shooting bolts of electricity.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger GS|col=6|type=Electric
|group=Electric
|assist=Recharge
|field=Recharge
|fieldpower=1
|assistp=Electric
|fieldp=Electrify
|browser=It restores the Styler Energy a little.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleBlast|col=6|type=Electric
|att=2
|def=1
|speed=3
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|-
{{Spindata/PokéPark|col=6|type=Electric|ndex=179
|Pad=Mareep has a powerful personality. You'll find her in the [[Flower Zone]]. She gets a charge out of playing {{DL|Attractions|Absol's Hurdle Bounce}} and {{DL|Attractions|Rayquaza's Balloon Panic}}.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/PokéPark2|col=6|type=Electric|ndex=179
|pad=Mareep enjoy their slow life watching floating clouds. It's nice that they are now able to sleep.
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|-
{{Spindata/Conquest|col=6|type=Electric|ndex=179
|HP=2
|atk=2
|def=1
|spd=1
|range=3
|move=ThunderShock
|ability1=Static
|ability2=Interference
|ability3=Calming
|evo=Evolves into {{p|Flaaffy}} when its Attack is 53 or higher
|link={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Norishige}} and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Shōun}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=3|type=Electric|ndex=179
|power=1
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{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Electric|ndex=179|num=036
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|max=90
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Opportunist
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|-
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|egg=10
|evocandy=25
|stamina=110
|attack=114
|defense=82
|fast={{m|Tackle}}, {{m|Thunder Shock}}
|special={{m|Body Slam}}, {{m|Thunderbolt}}, {{m|Discharge}}
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|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=Electric
|pictype=art
|no1=179
|name1=Mareep
|type1-1=Electric
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 15}}
|no2=180
|name2=Flaaffy
|type1-2=Electric
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 30}}
|no3=181
|name3=Ampharos
|type1-3=Electric}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=electric}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=179}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=179}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=179}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=179}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=179}}
{{Spritebox/7|ndex=179}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|179|Mareep}}

==Trivia==
*The Pokemon Gold Demo was leaked, showing a Beta Mareep, which pronounced in Japanese was pachimee.(Awaiting permission to upload beta sprite)
===Origin===
Mareep appears to be simply based on the lamb of a {{wp|sheep}}. It is likely that its electric aspect and Ability comes from how wool builds up static charges and may also be based on the {{wp|golden fleece}} in Greek and Roman mythology. It, and its evolutions, may also have been based on the title of the science fiction novel ''{{wp|Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?}}''.

====Name origin====
Mareep may be a combination of ''Mary'' (from the nursery rhyme "{{wp|Mary Had a Little Lamb}}") and ''{{wp|sheep}}''. ''Mareep'' is also an anagram of ''{{wp|ampere}}'', a unit of electric current.

Merriep may be a combination of ''merry'', メー ''mē'' (the sound made by sheep), or ''Mary'' and ''sheep''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=electric|type2=electric
|ja=メリープ ''Merriep''|jameaning=From ''merry'', {{tt|メー ''mē''|The onomatopoetic sound of sheep}}, ''{{wp|Mary Had a Little Lamb|Mary}}'', and ''sheep''
|fr=Wattouat|frmeaning=From ''watt'' and ''{{tt|ouate|cotton wool}}'', in which both are homophones
|es=Mareep|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Voltilamm|demeaning=From ''Volt'' and ''{{tt|Lamm|lamb}}''
|it=Mareep|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=메리프 ''Meleep''|komeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name
|zh_cmn=咩利羊 ''Miēlìyáng''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|咩 ''miē''|baa}}, {{tt|瑪莉 ''Mǎlì''|Mary}}, and {{tt|羊 ''yáng''|sheep}}
|zh_yue=咩利羊 ''Mēleihyèuhng''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|咩 ''mē''|baa}}, {{tt|瑪莉 ''Máhleih''|Mary}}, and {{tt|羊 ''yèuhng''|sheep}}
|hi=मारीप ''Mareep''|himeaning=Transcription of English name
|ru=Марип ''Marip''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
}}
 

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Electric}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Electric|prevnum=178|prev=Xatu|nextnum=180|next=Flaaffy}}
|}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Shadow Pokémon in Pokémon XD]]
[[Category:Mystery Dungeon starters|179]]

[[de:Voltilamm]]
[[es:Mareep]]
[[fr:Wattouat]]
[[it:Mareep]]
[[ja:メリープ]]
[[zh:咩利羊]]

Noctowl (Pokémon)

2018-06-03T01:00:34Z

LeapingRiolu:

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Noctowl}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Normal|prevnum=163|prev=Hoothoot|nextnum=165|next=Ledyba|round=none}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Disambig|species=Noctowl}}
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{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Noctowl
|jname=ヨルノズク
|tmname=Yorunozuku
|ndex=164
|jdex=016
|sdex=107
|karea=Mountain
|kdex=118
|obrow=032
|opbrow=023
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|category=Owl
|height-ftin=5'03"
|height-m=1.6
|weight-lbs=89.9
|weight-kg=40.8
|abilitylayout=2
|ability1=Insomnia
|ability2=Keen Eye
|abilityd=Tinted Lens
|egggroupn=1
|egggroup1=Flying
|eggcycles=15
|evtotal=2
|evhp=2
|expyield=158
|oldexp=162
|lv100exp=1,000,000
|gendercode=127
|color=Brown
|catchrate=90
|body=09
|pokefordex=noctowl
|generation=2
|friendship=70
}}
'''Noctowl''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヨルノズク''' ''Yorunozuku'') is a dual-type {{2t|Normal|Flying}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation II]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Hoothoot}} starting at [[level]] 20.

==Biology==
[[File:Wings Alexander Noctowl.png|200px|left|thumb|Wings Alexander's Noctowl]]
Noctowl bears similarity to an owl with brown plumage and has a darker brown triangle pattern of feathers running down its chest. Its wings and wedge-shaped tail are dark brown, while the undersides of its wings are light brown. It has bushy, cream-colored feather 'horns' that look similar to a {{wp|trident}} or {{wp|eyebrows}}. The ring pattern around its eyes and its talons are cream colored, and Noctowl's beak and talons are light pink. Additionally, Noctowl has large, red eyes. As shown in [[EP223|the anime]], Noctowl can grow a small beard in its elderly stages.

Noctowl is a [[nocturnal Pokémon]], and has eyes that can see in pitch-darkness. Called "the emperor of dark nights" by some, it never lets its prey escape. It has exceptional hearing and eyesight, can fly silently, and can turn its heads at a 180° angle to increase its intellect. It can also turn its head upside down, which signals that it is troubled by something. Noctowl is most commonly found nesting in trees and {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Forest Pokémon|forests}}. It pecks those who disturb it.
{{left clear}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Ornithol Noctowl.png|thumb|left|250px|Noctowl in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
[[File:Ash Noctowl.png|thumb|left|250px|{{Shiny}} Noctowl in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Ash's Noctowl]]====
Noctowl debuted in ''[[EP154|Fowl Play!]]''. A man was trying to capture the smaller, {{shiny}} Noctowl with traps, but kept failing due to the Owl Pokémon's intelligence. After {{TRT}} was sent flying, the Noctowl allowed {{Ash}} to have the chance to capture it. After an intense battle, Ash succeeded.

====Other====
[[Wings Alexander]] has a Noctowl, as seen in ''[[EP223|Throwing in the Noctowl]]''. For most of the episode, it was sleeping in the plane but flew out to help Ash's Noctowl when the flight encountered problems.

A Noctowl appeared in ''[[XY077|A Relay in the Sky!]]'', under the ownership of [[Ornithol]]. It shared its Trainer's aspirations to win the [[Pokémon Sky Relay]], but it never competed with him in the competition since Ornithol was never able to catch two more eligible Pokémon.

===Minor appearances===
Several wild Noctowl appeared in ''[[EP154|Fowl Play]]''.

A Noctowl appeared in ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll!]]'', ''[[DP091|One Team, Two Team, Red Team, Blue Team!]]'', and ''[[DP100|Aiding the Enemy!]]''.

A {{pkmn|Coordinator}}'s Noctowl appeared in ''[[AG175|Going for Choke!]]'', where it was seen participating in the [[Contest Battle|Battle Stage]] of the {{ci|Mulberry}} {{pkmn|Contest}}.

A Noctowl appeared in ''[[DP118|Pursuing a Lofty Goal!]]'', under the ownership of a participant of the [[Squallville]] [[PokéRinger]]. It was used against a {{p|Fearow}}.

A Noctowl appeared in Meowth's fantasy in ''[[BW119|Meowth, Colress and Team Rivalry!]]''.

Multiple Noctowl appeared in ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto|no}}
{{Animedexbody|EP154|Noctowl|Ash's Pokédex|Noctowl, the Owl Pokémon. The [[Evolution|evolved]] form of {{p|Hoothoot}}. This highly intelligent Pokémon often twists its head 180 degrees when it is thinking. Noctowl is a nocturnal Pokémon.}}
{{Animedexbody|EP182|Confusion|Ash's Pokédex|Confusion. This powerful {{t|Psychic}} [[move|attack]] [[Status condition#Confusion|confuses]] an opponent and weakens it as well.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP185|Noctowl|Dawn's Pokédex|Noctowl, the Owl Pokémon, and the evolved form of Hoothoot. Noctowl's eyes have a special power that allows it to see in the faintest light, as if it was the middle of the day.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Falkner Noctowl Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Noctowl in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
A Noctowl under [[Falkner]]'s ownership was first seen alongside its Trainer when he first appeared in ''[[PS099|Sunkern Treasure]]'' while trying to catch a {{p|Skarmory}}.

{{adv|Crystal}} mentioned that she captured a Noctowl on her way to Professor Elm's Lab in ''[[PS118|Three Cheers for Chikorita]]''.

In ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]'', a Noctowl was one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]].

Multiple Noctowl appeared in ''[[PAXY28|Scizor Defends]]'' and ''[[PAXY33|Chesnaught Protects]]'' as Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Village]].
{{-}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Noctowl (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Noctowl figure has been released.
* {{TFG|Groundbreakers}}: {{TFG ID|Groundbreakers|Noctowl|24}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Its eyes are specially adapted. They concentrate even faint light and enable it to see in the dark.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=When it needs to think, it rotates its head 180 degrees to sharpen its intellectual power.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=Its extremely soft feathers make no sound in flight. It silently sneaks up on prey without being detected.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its eyes are specially adapted. They concentrate even faint light and enable it to see in the dark.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Noctowl never fails at catching prey in darkness. This Pokémon owes its success to its superior vision that allows it to see in minimal light, and to its soft, supple wings that make no sound in flight.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=It unfailingly catches prey in darkness. Noctowl owe their success to superior vision that allows them to see in minimal light, and to their supple and silent wings.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=When it needs to think, it rotates its head 180 degrees to sharpen its intellectual power.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Its eyes are specially adapted. They concentrate even faint light and enable it to see in the dark.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Diamond|entry=Its eyes are special. They can pick out objects as long as there is the tiniest amount of light.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=If it flips its head upside down, it's a sign that it is engaged in very complex thinking.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=Its eyes are specially developed to enable it to see clearly even in murky darkness and minimal light.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Its eyes are specially adapted. They concentrate even faint light and enable it to see in the dark.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=When it needs to think, it rotates its head 180 degrees to sharpen its intellectual power.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=Its eyes are specially developed to enable it to see clearly even in murky darkness and minimal light.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=Its eyes are specially developed to enable it to see clearly even in murky darkness and minimal light.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=Its eyes are specially adapted. They concentrate even faint light and enable it to see in the dark.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=When it needs to think, it rotates its head 180 degrees to sharpen its intellectual power.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Noctowl never fails at catching prey in darkness. This Pokémon owes its success to its superior vision that allows it to see in minimal light, and to its soft, supple wings that make no sound in flight.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Sun|entry=With eyes that can see in pitch-darkness, it never lets its prey escape. Some even call it “the emperor of dark nights.”}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Moon|entry=When it turns its head entirely upside down, you know it's troubled by something. If you don't leave it be, it will peck you.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

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====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Normal|type2=Flying}}
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===Stats===
====Base stats====
=====Generation II-VI=====
{{BaseStats
|type=Normal
|type2=Flying
|HP= 100
|Attack= 50
|Defense=50
|SpAtk= 76
|SpDef= 96
|Speed= 70}}

=====Generation VII=====
{{BaseStats
|type=Normal
|type2=Flying
|HP= 100
|Attack= 50
|Defense=50
|SpAtk= 86
|SpDef= 96
|Speed= 70}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Normal
|type2=Flying
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|Normal= 100
|Fighting=100
|Flying= 100
|Poison= 100
|Ground= 0
|Rock= 200
|Bug= 50
|Ghost= 0
|Steel= 100
|Fire= 100
|Water= 100
|Grass= 50
|Electric=200
|Psychic= 100
|Ice= 200
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 100
|notes=yes
|flying=yes
|newground=1
|normal=yes
|newghost=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|4|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|7|Peck|Flying|Physical|35|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|10|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level7|13|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|16|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|19|Psycho Shift|Psychic|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|23|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|27|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|31|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|35|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|39|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|43|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|47|Moonblast|Fairy|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|51|Synchronoise|Psychic|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|55|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM01|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM19|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM51|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM76|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|016|Pidgey}}{{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}{{MSP|018|Pidgeot}}{{MSP|021|Spearow}}{{MSP|022|Fearow}}{{MSP|083|Farfetch'd}} {{MSP|084|Doduo}}{{MSP|085|Dodrio}}{{MSP|142|Aerodactyl}}{{MSP|227|Skarmory}}{{MSP|276|Taillow}}{{MSP|277|Swellow}} {{MSP|278|Wingull}}{{MSP|396|Starly}}{{MSP|397|Staravia}}{{MSP|398|Staraptor}}{{MSP|566|Archen}}{{MSP|567|Archeops}} {{MSP|661|Fletchling}}{{MSP|662|Fletchinder}}{{MSP|663|Talonflame}}{{MSP|714|Noibat}}{{MSP|715|Noivern}}{{MSP|741|Oricorio}}|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|580|Ducklett}}{{MSP|581|Swanna}}{{MSP|627|Rufflet}}{{MSP|628|Braviary}}|Defog|Flying|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|016|Pidgey}}{{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}{{MSP|018|Pidgeot}}{{MSP|441|Chatot}}{{MSP|519|Pidove}}{{MSP|520|Tranquill}} {{MSP|521|Unfezant}}{{MSP|580|Ducklett}}{{MSP|581|Swanna}}{{MSP|722|Rowlet}}{{MSP|723|Dartrix}}{{MSP|724|Decidueye}} {{MSP|731|Pikipek}}{{MSP|732|Trumbeak}}{{MSP|733|Toucannon}}{{MSP|741|Oricorio}}|Feather Dance|Flying|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|198|Murkrow}}|Feint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|016|Pidgey}}{{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}{{MSP|018|Pidgeot}}{{MSP|278|Wingull}}{{MSP|279|Pelipper}}{{MSP|580|Ducklett}} {{MSP|581|Swanna}}{{MSP|714|Noibat}}{{MSP|715|Noivern}}{{MSP|741|Oricorio}}|Hurricane|Flying|Special|110|70|10|{{sup/7|USUM}}|'''}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|041|Zubat}}{{MSP|042|Golbat}}{{MSP|169|Crobat}}{{MSP|198|Murkrow}}|Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5|{{sup/7|USUM}}}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|016|Pidgey}}{{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}{{MSP|018|Pidgeot}}{{MSP|021|Spearow}}{{MSP|022|Fearow}}{{MSP|333|Swablu}} {{MSP|441|Chatot}}{{MSP|561|Sigilyph}}{{MSP|741|Oricorio}}|Mirror Move|Flying|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|177|Natu}}{{MSP|178|Xatu}}{{MSP|198|Murkrow}}|Night Shade|Ghost|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|164|Noctowl}}{{MSP|334|Altaria}}{{MSP|468|Togekiss}}{{MSP|519|Pidove}}{{MSP|520|Tranquill}}{{MSP|521|Unfezant}} {{MSP|561|Sigilyph}}|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|041|Zubat}}{{MSP|042|Golbat}}{{MSP|169|Crobat}}{{MSP|142|Aerodactyl}}{{MSP|278|Wingull}}{{MSP|279|Pelipper}} {{MSP|714|Noibat}}{{MSP|715|Noivern}}{{MSP|731|Pikipek}}{{MSP|732|Trumbeak}}{{MSP|733|Toucannon}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|016|Pidgey}}{{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}{{MSP|018|Pidgeot}}{{MSP|396|Starly}}{{MSP|397|Staravia}}{{MSP|398|Staraptor}} {{MSP|561|Sigilyph}}{{MSP|627|Rufflet}}{{MSP|628|Braviary}}{{MSP|714|Noibat}}{{MSP|715|Noivern}}|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed7|{{MSP|016|Pidgey}}{{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}{{MSP|018|Pidgeot}}{{MSP|041|Zubat}}{{MSP|042|Golbat}}{{MSP|169|Crobat}} {{MSP|142|Aerodactyl}}{{MSP|198|Murkrow}}{{MSP|430|Honchkrow}}{{MSP|276|Taillow}}{{MSP|277|Swellow}}{{MSP|278|Wingull}} {{MSP|279|Pelipper}}{{MSP|396|Starly}}{{MSP|397|Staravia}}{{MSP|398|Staraptor}}{{MSP|566|Archen}}{{MSP|567|Archeops}} {{MSP|580|Ducklett}}{{MSP|581|Swanna}}{{MSP|627|Rufflet}}{{MSP|628|Braviary}}{{MSP|714|Noibat}}{{MSP|715|Noivern}}|Wing Attack|Flying|Physical|60|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/breedf/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2|7}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Defog|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|95|90|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Laser Focus|Normal|Status|—|—|30|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor7|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2|7}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2|7}}
{{learnlist/prevo7null}}
{{learnlist/prevof/7|Noctowl|Normal|Flying|2|7}}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Spindata/Trozei|col=6|type=Normal|ndex=164|rarity=Common}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDRB|col=6|type=Normal|ndex=164
|body=1
|rate=Evolve
|area=Flyaway Forest
|P1=I used my brain to fight!
|P2=The situation's dire... Only half my HP remains...
|P3=The situation's grim... I'm incapable of thinking...
|PL=I leveled up! I think my IQ went up, too!
}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDTDS|col=6|type=Normal|ndex=164
|body=1
|rate=-10
|IQ=A
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger GS|col=6|type=Normal
|group=Flying
|assist=Flying
|field=Psy Power
|fieldpower=2
|browser=It causes twisters around itself.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleBlast|col=6|type=Normal
|att=2
|def=3
|speed=3
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=3|type=Normal|ndex=164|bttype=Flying
|power=2
}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Normal|ndex=164|stype=Flying|num=494
|min=60
|max=105
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Power of 5
|skilldesc=Increases damage when you make a match of five.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Normal|ndex=164
|hatch=N/A
|buddy=1
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=200
|attack=145
|defense=179
|fast={{m|Wing Attack}}, {{m|Extrasensory}}
|special={{m|Psychic}}, {{m|Sky Attack}}, {{m|Night Shade}}
}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-2
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|pictype=art
|no1=163
|name1=Hoothoot
|type1-1=Normal
|type2-1=Flying
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 20}}
|no2=164
|name2=Noctowl
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=164}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=164}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=164}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=164}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=164}}
{{Spritebox/7|ndex=164}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|164|Noctowl}}

==Trivia==
*Noctowl was the first Shiny Pokémon to appear in the anime.
*The Pokemon Gold Demo was leaked, showing a Beta Noctowl, which pronounced in Japanese was bo-bo-.(Awaiting permission to upload beta sprite)

===Origin===
Noctowl's appearance is based on that of the {{wp|Horned owl}}.

====Name origin====
Noctowl is a combination of ''{{wp|nocturnal}}'' and ''{{wp|owl}}''.

Yorunozuku is a combination of 夜 ''yoru'' (night) and 木菟 ''mimizuku'' ({{wp|horned owl}}).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Normal|type2=Flying
|ja=ヨルノズク ''Yorunozuku''|jameaning=From {{tt|夜 ''yoru''|night}} and {{wp|horned owl|{{tt|木菟 ''mimizuku''|horned owl}}}}
|fr=Noarfang|frmeaning=From {{tt|''noir''|black}} and {{wp|Snowy owl|{{tt|''harfang''|snowy owl}}}}
|es=Noctowl|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Noctuh|demeaning=From ''nocturnal'' and ''{{tt|Uhu|eagle owl}}''
|it=Noctowl|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=야부엉 ''Yabueong''|komeaning=From {{tt|야(夜) ''ya''|night}} and {{tt|부엉이 ''bueongi''|owl}}
|zh_yue=貓頭夜鷹 ''Māautàuhyehyīng''|zh_yuemeaning=Combination of {{tt|貓頭鷹|owl}} and {{tt|夜鷹|nighthawk}}. Literally "Cat-headed night hawk".
|zh_cmn=貓頭夜鷹 / 猫头夜鹰 ''Māotóuyèyīng''|zh_cmnmeaning=Combination of {{tt|貓頭鷹|owl}} and {{tt|夜鷹|nighthawk}}. Literally "Cat-headed night hawk".
|ru=Ноктоул ''Noktoul''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Ash's Noctowl]]

==External links==

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{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Normal|prevnum=163|prev=Hoothoot|nextnum=165|next=Ledyba|round=yes}}
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[[Category:Shadow Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum]]

[[de:Noctuh]]
[[es:Noctowl]]
[[fr:Noarfang]]
[[it:Noctowl]]
[[ja:ヨルノズク]]
[[zh:猫头夜鹰]]