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Magnemite (Pokémon)

2009-12-20T15:31:03Z

Laxafett: /* By leveling up */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=electric | type2=steel | prevnum=080 | nextnum=082 | prev=Slowbro | next=Magneton }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Magnemite |
jname=コイル |
tmname=Coil |
image=081Magnemite.png |
size=200px |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
pron=<sc>''mag''-nuh-mite</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=081 |
oldjdex=118 |
jdex=119 |
hdex=082 |
sdex=178 |
fdex=056 |
adex=062 |
typen=3 |
type1=Electric |
type2=Steel |
species=Magnet |
forme1=Generation I |
forme2=Generation II and on |
height-ftin=1' 00" |
height-m=0.3 |
weight-lbs=13.2 |
weight-kg=6.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Magnet Pull |
ability2=Sturdy |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20|
evsa=1 |
expyield=89 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=255 |
color=Gray |
catchrate=190 |
body=04 |
pokefordex=magnemite |
generation=1 |
footnotes= |
disptype=steel}}
'''Magnemite''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''コイル''' ''Coil'') is a dual-type {{2t|Electric|Steel}} Pokémon. However, in [[Generation I]], it was pure Electric-type since the Steel-type hadn't been introduced at the time.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Magneton}} starting at [[level]] 30, who evolves into {{p|Magnezone}} via level-up in [[Mt. Coronet]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Magnemite is a seemingly-robotic life form that has a gray, circular metal body with a single big eye, a horse shoe magnet on its left and right sides, two {{wp|Phillips head}} screws that serve no noticeable purpose, and another Phillips head screw on top of its head that looks similar to an antenna. Magnemite was originally thought to be a pure {{type2|Electric}}, but research eventually led to the discovery that traits of a {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon were present, too. Even though Magnemite and its evolved forms are mechanical creatures, they still have emotions, the need to eat, and a way of reproducing. Magnemite also might be related to {{p|Beldum}} and {{p|Bronzor}} due to the fact that all of them are partially Steel-type that create electromagnetic waves to float in the air.
====Gender differences====
This Pokémon is genderless.

====Special abilities====
The magnetic units on Magnemite's body create electromagnetic waves that allow it to defy gravity and that can potentially disrupt various electrical equipment. Magnemite usually attack by using electrical attacks such as {{m|Thunder Wave}} and {{m|Zap Cannon}}. Magnemite can also focus magnetic energy into a homing-attack known as {{m|Magnet Bomb}}.

===Behavior===
Magnemite generally keep to themselves. They are quiet and do not bother people. However, if anyone gets near them with magnets or something that emits large amounts of electricity, they can be attracted to such an object. Magnemite are very neutral, but they are very eager to please their trainers and will fight hard. If a wild Magnemite is approached, they will usually go away as they don't care for interaction, however, if attacked, they will retaliate with non-damaging moves such as {{m|Thunder Wave}} or {{m|Supersonic}}. If the attacker persists, they will start to use damaging attacks such as {{m|ThunderShock}} or {{m|Magnet Bomb}}, and in extreme cases, {{m|Zap Cannon}}.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Roughterrain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rough-terrain Pokémon}}]]
Magnemite can usually be found around power plants or any rough terrain where there may be large amounts of metal nearby.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Magnemite feed off of electrical currents, which is why they are frequently found around [[power plant]]s.

==In the anime==
[[Image:EP101.png|right|thumb|210px|A group of Magnemite in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Magnemite first appeared in ''[[EP030|Sparks Fly for Magnemite]]''. {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr|friends}} were in [[Gringey City]] while the power went out. When they were looking around for the cause of the power outage, a lone Magnemite showed up and was feeling attracted to [[Ash's Pikachu]], who was having a cold. When a group of {{p|Grimer}} and its {{AP|Muk}} leader were chasing Ash and co, a group of Magnemite and {{p|Magneton}} helped to fight them off.

In ''[[EP101|Get Along, Little Pokémon]]'', Ash, [[Misty]] and {{Tracey}} met a man named [[Ethan]] who used Magnemite to harness electrical energy from bolts of lightning during thunderstorms and then the electrical energy would be given to towns that were without power. Magnemite #6 evolved into a Magneton to save Ash and Pikachu from [[Team Rocket]].

A group of Magnemite, and a {{p|Magneton}}, appeared as security guards in ''[[EP199|Current Events]]'' as they first attacked Team Rocket who snuck into a power station guarded entirely by Pokémon. Ash saw the door had been opened by someone, and went to investigate, and was also attacked by the Magnemite.

An army of Magnemite and {{p|Magneton}} appeared in ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'' under the ownership of the main villain, [[Zero]].

===Minor appearances===
Ash has battled two Gym Leaders with Magnemite: [[Jasmine]] in ''[[EP224|Nerves of Steelix]]'' and [[Wattson]] in ''[[AG040|Watt's with Wattson?]]''.

Some Magnemite, their evolved form {{p|Magneton}}, and various other {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon appeared in ''[[AG058|All Torkoal, No Play!]]''.

Magnemite is one of the Electric-type Pokémon that was seen in the lake with crystal in ''[[EP242|As Clear As Crystal]]''.

In ''[[DP074|Pika and Goliath!]]'', [[Sho]] offered to trade his Magnemite for [[Ash's Pikachu]] (Naturally, {{Ash}} refused the offer).

[[Brock]] temporarily trained a Magnemite belonging to the [[Pokémon Summer Academy]] in ''[[DP088|Camping It Up!]]''. Unlike the rest of the group, Brock had no problems bonding with, and educating his Pokémon.

A group of Magnemite also appeared in ''[[DP110|Steeling Peace of Mind!]]'' and ''[[DP111|Saving the World From Ruins!]]''.

A group of Magnemite served as "watch dogs" for the [[Valley Windworks]] in [[DP144]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
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{{Animedexheader|Orange}}
{{Animedexbody|EP101|Magnemite|Ash's Pokédex|Magnemite, the Magnet Pokémon. It's able to float through the air and leave its {{m|Thunder Wave}} through its magnet shaped units located on its sides.}}
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==In the manga==
===Pokémon Adventures===
Magnemite makes a multiple cameo aboard the [[S.S. Anne]] in ''[[PS010|Danger: High Voltorb]]'' as many of the Pokémon ready to attack {{adv|Red}}, however it's not clear if they belong to [[Lt. Surge]] or to his [[Sailor|sailor]]. It debuts in the next round, ''[[PS011|Buzz Off, Electabuzz!]]'' searching in the ship for Red.

Later, in {{PAV|13}}, Lt. Surge uses a Magnemite to fight [[Morty]]'s {{p|Misdreavus}}, using electromagnetism to shield attacks as well as fire {{m|Zap Cannon}}. The fight, however, ended in a draw due to Misdreavus using {{m|Destiny Bond}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Magnemite (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: A group of Magnemite are the clients of the game's second mission, sending the player to save their friend who is trapped in [[Thunderwave Cave]]. The rescued Magnemite decides to join the rescue team a couple of days later.
*[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]: Magnemite serve as {{p|Magnezone}}'s police units.

===Pokédex entries===
{{dex
|gen=1
|type=electric
|type2=steel
|redbluedex=Uses antigravity to stay suspended. Appears without warning and uses {{m|Thunder Wave}} and similar moves.
|yellowdex=It is born with the ability to defy gravity. It floats in air on powerful electromagnetic waves.
|stadiumdex=Appears as if out of nowhere. It floats using anti-gravity and discharges electricity from two side-mounted units.
|golddex=It is attracted by electromagnetic waves. It may approach trainers if they are using their [[PokéGear]].
|silverdex=The units at the sides of its body generate anti-gravity energy to keep it aloft in the air.
|crystaldex=The electricity emitted by the units on each side of its body cause it to become a strong magnet.
|stadium2dex=It is attracted by electromagnetic waves. It may approach trainers if they are using their PokéGear.
|rubydex=Magnemite attaches itself to power lines to feed on electricity. If your house has a power outage, check your circuit breakers. You may find a large number of this Pokémon clinging to the breaker box.
|sapphiredex=Magnemite floats in the air by emitting electromagnetic waves from the units at its sides. These waves block gravity. This Pokémon becomes incapable of flight if its internal electrical supply is depleted.
|emeralddex=The units at its sides are extremely powerful magnets. They generate enough magnetism to draw in iron objects from over 300 feet away.
|firereddex=It moves while constantly hovering. It discharges Thunder Wave and so on from the units at its sides.
|leafgreendex=Uses antigravity to stay suspended. Appears without warning and uses Thunder Wave and similar moves.
|diamonddex=The units at its sides generate {{m|Magnet Rise|electromagnetic waves that keep it airborne}}. It feeds on electricity.
|pearldex=The units at its sides generate electromagnetic waves that keep it airborne. It feeds on electricity.
|platinumdex=The faster the units at its sides rotate, the greater the magnetic force they generate.
|heartgolddex=It is attracted by electromagnetic waves. It may approach trainers if they are using their PokéGear.
|soulsilverdex=The units at the sides of its body generate anti-gravity energy to keep it aloft in the air.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Electric |
type2=Steel |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Common |
rbarea=[[Power Plant]] |
yrarity=Common |
yarea=[[Power Plant]], {{rt|10}} |
gsrarity=Common |
gsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|6}}, {{rtn|38}}, and {{rtn|39}} |
crarity=Common |
carea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|6}}, {{rtn|38}}, and {{rtn|39}} |
rsrarity=Common |
rsarea=[[New Mauville]] |
erarity=Common |
earea=[[New Mauville]] |
frlgrarity=Common |
frlgarea=[[Power Plant]] |
dprarity=[[Swarms|Swarm]] |
dparea=[[Fuego Ironworks]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea={{rt|222}}, [[Fuego Ironworks]] |
hgssarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|6}}, {{rtn|11}}, {{rtn|38}}, {{rtn|39}}. [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
hgssrarity=Common |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=electric
|type2=steel
|snap=[[Pokémon Island Tunnel|Tunnel]]
|channel=[[Springleaf Field|Back Yard]]
|pinballRS=Plains
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 2]] [[Secret Storage 19]] [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Thunderwave Cave]] (End) [[Lightning Field]] (1F-7F) [[Wish Cave]] (1F-3F)
|ranger=[[Krokka Tunnel]] [[Underground Waterways]] [[Dusk Factory]]
|md2=[[Bottomless Sea]] (B1-B49) [[Sky Stairway]] (1F-49F) [[Final Maze]] (B1-B48)
|ranger2=[[Pueltown]] [[Volcano Cave]] [[Union Road]] [[Peril Cliffs]]
|scramble=[[Fiery Furnace]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=electric|type2=steel
|rby1=Silver Leaf|rby1type=Valuable item|rby=100|rby1image=no
|gsc1=Metal Coat|gsc1type=Type-enhancing item|gsc1rar=8
|rse1=Metal Coat|rse1type=Type-enhancing item|rse1rar=5
|dppt1=Metal Coat|dppt1type=Type-enhancing item|dppt1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
type=electric|
type2=steel|
HP= 25 |
Attack= 35 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk= 95 |
SpDef= 55 |
Special=95 |
Speed= 45 }}

====Pokéthlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Electric
|type2=Steel
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=1
|PowerMax=2
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=1
|StaminaMax=2
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=4
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Electric|
type2=Steel|
Normal= 50 |
Flying= 25 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 400 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Poison= 0 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 25 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 50 |
Dark= 50 |
notes= yes|
magnemite=yes}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Magnemite}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|Electric|Steel|4|1|Magnemite}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|35|95|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|6|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|11|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|14|SonicBoom|Normal|Special|—|90|20|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|17|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|22|Spark|Electric|Physical|65|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|27|Lock-On|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|30|Magnet Bomb|Steel|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|33|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|38|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|43|Mirror Shot|Steel|Special|65|85|10|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|46|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|49|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|54|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|Cool|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|Electric|Steel}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Electric|Steel|4|1|Magnemite}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM64]]|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM67]]|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM74]]|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM91]]|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|Electric|Steel}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
None.

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|Electric|Steel|4|1|Magnemite}}
{{mtentry4|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|1|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|Electric|Steel}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=electric |
ndex=081 |
Pincatch=yes |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=12.8% |
area=Power Plant |
P1=<sc>bzbzbzz... magnemite...</sc> |
P2=<sc>bzbzbzz... magnemite 50 percent...</sc> |
P3=<sc>bzbzbzz... magnemite failing...</sc> |
PL=<sc>bzbzbzz... magnemite leveled up!...</sc>  |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG=Electric |
typeA=Electric |
fieldpower=2 |
field=Recharge |
loop=2 |
MinEXP=4 |
MaxEXP=4 |
browser=Magnemite looses electricity to attack. It can also recharge your [[Capture Styler|Styler]]. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=A |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2=Electric |
Assist2=no |
field2=Recharge |
field2power=2 |
browser2=It attacks by sending out bolts of electricity. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=081
|name1=Magnemite
|type1-1=Electric
|type2-1=Steel
|evotype1=Level
|level1=30
|sprite2=082
|name2=Magneton
|type1-2=Electric
|type2-2=Steel
|evotype2=Location
|location2=Mt. Coronet
|sprite3=462
|name3=Magnezone
|type1-3=Electric
|type2-3=Steel
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=electric|
type2=steel|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=081|
name=Magnemite|
}}

==Trivia==
* "Coil" was originally going to be Magnemite's English name.
* Magnemite, along with its evolution {{p|Magneton}}, are the only Pokémon to gain another type with the debut of [[Generation II|another generation]], gaining a dual {{t|Electric}}/{{t|Steel}} typing.
** Due to this, Magnemite is the first Steel-type Pokémon in [[National Pokédex]] order.
** However, Magnemite was unable to learn any Steel-type moves until [[Generation III]].
* Despite most of Magnemite's Pokédex entries saying they are able to float through the air by employing powerful electromagnetic waves or even anti-gravity, Magnemite does not have the ability {{a|Levitate}}, and so they are still affected by {{m|Earthquake}} or other Ground-type moves. However, as of [[Generation IV]], Magnemite can learn {{m|Magnet Rise}} which simulates Levitate for a short period of time.
* Magnemite and its evolutionary line have twelve resistances and one immunity, making them the most resistant Pokémon to date. With the addition of {{m|Magnet Rise}}, which makes them immune to {{type2|Ground}} attacks for a short period of time, their only double weakness is negated.
* Due to their inclusion in Platinum's extended Sinnoh Dex, Magnemite and Magneton have appeared in every regional Pokédex.
* Magnemite and its evolution Magneton are two of the few Pokémon that had their [[cry]] changed slightly in Generation III. This was due to Generation III utilizing a better sound effects game engine and [[Game Boy Advance|newer game system]].
* Magnemite and its evolutions are the only dual-typed {{t|Electric}} Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line.
* Magnemite and its evolved forms are the only {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon to naturally learn {{M|Zap Cannon}}.
===Origin===
Magnemite seems to be based on the concept of a living magnet.
====Name origin====
Magnemite's name appears to be a combination of ''{{wp|magnet}}'' and ''{{wp|mite}}'', in the sense of small creature. Alternatively, it could be a play on ''{{wp|magnetite}}''. Its Japanese name is simply ''coil'', perhaps referring to the fact that a coil with electric current generates a magnetic field.

==In other languages==
* [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Magnetilo
* [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Magneti - This is from ''magnétique'' (magnetic), and possibly ''petit'' (small).
* [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 코일 ''Koil''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Hong Kong)]]: 小磁怪 - Literally "little magnetic monster".

==External links==

==Notes==
<references />

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=electric | type2=steel | prevnum=080 | nextnum=082 | prev=Slowbro | next=Magneton }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Magnetilo]]
[[es:Magnemite]]
[[fr:Magnéti]]
[[ja:コイル]]
[[pl:Magnemite]]
[[pt:Magnemite (pokémon)]]

Talk:Dialga (movie)

2009-12-05T21:07:50Z

Laxafett: /* Appearances */ new section

== Trailer ==
Could this be the same Dialga, as the Dialga that appears at Spear Pillar, if you have seen that new trailer featuring Team Galactic's plot in the anime? --[[User:MeDeoPal|MeDeoPal]] 18:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:We are not sure, the episode(s) is/are about a month away, so we will have to wait.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

==DP150==
So is it pretty much guaranteed that this Dialga is the same one from [[DP150]]? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:If this Dialga recognises Ash and Co. Yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::It probably won't, because Dialga didn't specifically look at Ash at any time. That was Palkia who Ash and Dawn talked to. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Appearances ==

Could we say Dialga has the most movie appearance of a Legendary Pokémon. It appeared in 3. Second would be Palkia and Giratina but we could mention in the trivia that Dialga is the only member of it's trio that has appeared in all 3 movies? {{u|Laxafett}}21:04, 5 December 2009(UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2009-11-02T21:47:11Z

Laxafett: /* The whole Lati@s version-exclusive thing */

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==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

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The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Game Boy Player which will replace all the game's music with the classic Game Boy Color version of the score. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I have the jap version and am on Cyndaquil. Cyndaquil now learns Ember at lvl 10 rather than 12. [[User:Jono R|Jono R]] 17:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Moveset changes go on the individual Pokémon's page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::::"These games will be released in Japan almost exactly..." should be "These games were released in Japan almost exactly ..." [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 00:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not quite. JpPt was the 13th of September. HGSS was the 12th. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential===
Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Gift's from Mom===
When you let your mother buy you presents, she doesn't put them in your PC but you have to go to your "friendlyshop" (Poké Mart) or department store and the delivery man is waiting for you with a gift.

Also people take your picture with all your Pokémon and send it to your PC. (Camera men at various spots around the map. usually touristy)

could you always choose not to answer your phone? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Missing Pokemon List==
Serebii.net has just created a version exclusive list at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/exclusives.shtml] so once somebody is ready then a Missing Pokemon list
for this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obtaining Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon ==

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/hoennsinnoh.shtml

As you can see here, you can catch pokemon from Sinnoh and Hoenn by using the Pokéegear's radio.

[[User:050294|050294]] 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Games Leaked==

Can someone remove that? It is not notable. Almost every game in the last two generation has. Serebii has gotten his copies of Emerald, Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and HeartGold/SoulSilver a few days early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, once the game is properly released it's sort of irrelevant if it was leaked or not. Almost EVERYTHING major gets leaked nowadays anyway. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trade Me! ==

How come alot of pokemon say on their locations box that they need to be traded in to heartgold and soulsilver, when thay can just be evolved from a pokemon that can be found in the wild. Take Kakuna for instance, you can find it in the national park in gold and silver, so you can probably catch it in the same way as well in HGSS. Or you could just evolve your weedle.--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 06:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:"Trade" is the default on the template. If you know where the Pokémon are located, then you can fix it up yourself. Take a look at a page that has the correct information, and work out how to code it :) All help appreciated. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Version Exclusives? ==

We get a list of those yet? Serebii has one, but for all I know, they just used the ones from GS. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:From what I have seen, it is largely the same as GS, which is as expected. There are a few Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokémon there and everything I am aware of has been listed [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|here]]. I will export it into this article now; I just didn't have the time when I first made the list. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Also with this new addition on their site [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/rocksmash.shtml], Kabuto (HeartGold) and Omanyte (SoulSilver) and their evolutions now make their lists since their fossils can now be found in the game via Rock Smash along with Aerodactyl's fossil and a few other items such as amongst them. So at some point new details about Rock Smash and the Fossils can be put in, though for the fossils it still remains unknown on where to go to revive them. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::the pewter museum is once again open so the fossils can be revived there [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:uh....im playing HeartGold and yesterday i found a Helix Fossil....-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oy, need to do some serious talk on this and in case you don't know the dark lord tormbonator also updated the version exclusive pages other than the fact I updated the fossil Pokémon pages but I will revert my edits for the time being on Kabuto and Omanyte's pages. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== GAME PLAY Change! ==

I found out that in HG/SS, you can choose one of the three Kanto starters for yourself. It's true, a video with the real game that shows it! Oh, and an item that plays Gen. 2 music is also shown. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:49 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:What's the criteria for getting the Kanto starter? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Beating Red on MT. Silver. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 21:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but we've know about this since before the games came out. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 12:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
== Do we have clear pictures of the second covers? ==

I know there is a second cover to the games. It looks similar to the G/S ones.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

==Pokéball==
Something that was posted on Serebii.net at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/items.shtml] on the Pokéball section of that page is that the post-Generation II balls are available in the game. Until more details on this matter are acquired by someone who has a copy of HeartGold or SoulSilver then it should not be posted on this site to avoid misinformation. However though the only noteworthy thing that it has to this page is the addition of more Pokéball than any other Pokémon game. {{unsigned|Tyler53841}}

== The small pond ==

In G/S/C, there was a small, inaccesible pond by the Pokemon Center in Cherrygrove City. This pond served only for city design (because the "border" of the city is "water", and the city finishes behind the PokeCenter, it seemed strange for water to be behind it, so that pond was created to make it look ok. But it is inaccesible). This pond is still in HG/SS, but it is now accesible from Route 30. Small detail I noticed, since that pond always called my attention. I thought it would be gone in these games, but no. I think this and some other details should be noted in the article. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 03:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:Is there anything special about the pond, or is it just there? See if you can find an item somewhere or a rare Pokémon by fishing. As for the other details, what do you think should be added? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::Hehehe, well I still can't explore the pond; I haven't even still reached Violet City so I don't have Surf or anythimg. As for the other details, it would be great to have a list about differences between these games and G/S/C. Like for example, "In G/S/C, Gold obtains his Pokegear when he exits his room at the beginning of the game. In HG/SS, he obtains it after getting his first Pokemon". --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 16:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Um... there is a section named just that on the page... in fact, it's most of the page. Go look again. I'd like to crop this down in the next few days, and put all unnecessary information onto the related articles. This one is perhaps best suited for the Poké Gear article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Giovanni ==

Should it be mentioned that Giovanni appears through a Celebi event? It's mentioned on Giovanni's page, but it is significant to gameplay because Giovanni never actually appeared in Gen II; he was only mentioned.--[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 20:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah alright then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Latios and Latias==
In regards to the new update for Latios and Latias being version exclusives respectfully. I would to see if anyone has confirmed it yet. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
:They are; Latias in HeartGold and Latios in SoulSilver -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 11:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Shinning Leaf ==

Should the article note that the Shinning Leaf thing replaces the capture the flag mini-game to obtain a star on the TC -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 22:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Radio ==

Why does it say that it is now compulsory for the game to get the radio card, when you needed it to finish the game in the originals. The whole Lake of Rage thing --[[User:Ripp145|Ripp145]] 17:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't need to get it for the Lake of Rage if I remember. All you REALLY needed it for was to wake up Snorlax. Now though you have to get it to get past Goldenrod, as Whitney won't appear in her Gym until you get the Radio Card. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon traded from HGSS to DPPt ==

I don't know if this was known or not, but when Pokémon from Johto get traded to a Sinnoh game, it says that the Pokémon came from "Faraway place". Should that be noted anywhere? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's interesting. Maybe the "arrived from Johto" data is just so the game might not crash or something... or maybe they expected a game from Johto via Generation III, but it was too late when they made the Generation IV games. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::It also seems that Johto doesn't recognize Sinnoh either. They also say "Faraway place". But that could possibly change once the National Dex is obtained. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::That's not true.. I traded over a Slugma that I caught on Plat and it's showing up as "Caught at Hard Mountain". And I only have three badges. Very weird. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::some people are speculating that its because trading from Jap to Eng is causing the problem. hasnt been confirmed, but its possible. might have to wait until the English version comes out. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== Spacecraft ==

Spacecraft is plural. Don't be a jerk, they knew what they were doing. Someone, please change it back. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 04:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
: wow - don't change it back. first of all its not a spacecraft: its a rocket. mavericktate just likes undoing my revisions. i wasn't trying to be a jerk.

== What should we do about this? ==

The other box artwork
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/Midnight-Blue93/20090921193116.jpg
What should we do about it? I'm curious.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it matters in the long run since the cover art will be replaced with the English covers as soon as they are revealed. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Alright, I was also wondering, is this cover on all copies or only on certain ones? Some are saying they did not have that cover.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:::From what I understood, the cover art used in the article is actually a box, and when you open the box there is the PokéWalker and the game case that you posted above. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== The whole Lati@s version-exclusive thing ==

In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} they aren't listed as version-exclusive, even though its the same thing as here. Personally I think they should be listed with an asterisk. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 03:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. There should at least be something talking about that. They don't list the Weedle line as a version exclusive - b/c it can be obtained by other means - Bug catch Contest. [[User:LugiaRocks|LugiaPwns]] 03:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much think that that Latios and Latias should still be listed as version exclusives but this new piece should be listed as trivia should the other means can from a Nintendo exclusive event which is something that can only happen once and therefore is outside the normal means. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:They're not technically version exclusives in R/S, because of the [[Eon Ticket]] and [[Southern Island]]. They're still in the actual game coding as an in-world sprite that's interactable, and you can battle and catch them. Exclusives is like Groudon and Kyogre, or Palkia and Dialga, because you can only catch them in their respective versions. You have to trade to get them in the same version. And the exclusives also have a direct part in the storyline, such as Ruby having extreme sun with Groudon on the loose, and Sapphire having extreme thunderstorms with Kyogre on the loose, not to mention Team Magma and Aqua and in-game text spoken by NPCs. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Good, Trom changed it. We should somehow mention that without the event they are v-exclusives though. It would be less confusing. '''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRocks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Talk'']] ★ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Edits'']]) 04:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we say that Heartgold is like Sapphire and Soulsilver is like Ruby in obviously a proper way? the fact that im mentioning is that Kyogre and Latias comes in Heartgold while their counterparts appear in Soulsilver while the Lati@s not obtained can be obtained from an event.[[User:Laxafett|Laxafett]] 21:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Walking Pokémon

2009-09-18T16:27:31Z

Laxafett: /* Gallery */

[[File:HGSS-Walking-Pkmn.png|thumb|350px|right|Art from {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} illustrating the concept]]
'''Walking Pokémon''' are Pokémon that walk alongside their {{pkmn|Trainer}} when they normally would be inside their [[Poké Ball]]s outside of battle.

A walking Pokémon will follow behind its Trainer much like [[Stat Trainers|partner Trainers]] do, and can be interacted with if the player turns back and talks to them.

==In the games==
===Pokémon Yellow===
{{main|Red's Pikachu (game)}}
[[File:PkmnYShop.PNG|frame|right|{{p|Pikachu}} following the {{player}}]]
In {{game|Yellow}}, when the player runs into [[Professor Oak]] at the entrance of [[Pallet Town]], a [[wild Pokémon|wild Pikachu]] appears and attacks Oak, and Oak is forced to capture it to keep the player out of danger. Back in the lab, {{ga|Blue}} will obtain an {{p|Eevee}}, the Pokémon originally intended for the player. Professor Oak will then give the player the {{p|Pikachu}} he caught. Pikachu refuses to stay in its Poké Ball and insists on following the player around.

By turning around and talking to the Pikachu, the player can learn how it feels and thinks about the player. At the beginning of the game, Pikachu is unhappy to be stuck with the player as a Trainer. By using it in lots of battles and keeping it healthy, however, it will change its attitude towards the player. Pikachu displays a variety of expressions, from anger to shock to fear to love, as it reacts to the player and its surroundings. If Pikachu is traded to another game, evolved, and traded back, it will no longer follow the player.
[[File:PkmnYMuseum.PNG|frame|left|Pikachu and the player traveling together]]
Pikachu has many expressions, and some events will trigger some expressions. For example, when it first meets the player, Pikachu is not happy to see the player, and will sometimes turn its back towards them. If the player decides to speak to Pikachu, a small image of Pikachu's current emotion will pop up. The image also shows how much the Pikachu [[happiness|likes]] the player. Further on in the game, Pikachu will begin to like the player, and smile at them. When Pikachu enters the [[Pokémon Fan Club]], it will fall in love with a {{p|Clefairy}}, changing its expression again. When first going in to the [[Cerulean Cape#Sea Cottage|Sea Cottage]], [[Bill]] was experimenting with his cellular teleportation device when he was accidentally turned into a {{p|Clefairy}}, Pikachu will run to him and exchange confused looks. After he is rescued, and transported back to his original self, Pikachu will have a look of shock. Pikachu will also change its expression when it is inflicted with a [[status condition]], such as poison, where Pikachu will feel sick, or under sleep conditions, where Pikachu will be asleep. In [[Pewter City]]'s Pokémon Center, there is a {{p|Jigglypuff}} that will {{m|sing}} a lullaby if talked to, and Pikachu will fall asleep and not move unless awakened by the player. The center's nurse will also comment on Pikachu's sleep if talked to. When entering the [[Pokémon Tower]], Pikachu will feel scared and shudder fearfully. If the player uses a fishing rod, then checks Pikachu, it will appear with a bucket over its head. Besides showing Pikachu's emotions and happiness, the image can also show several other 'events' such as when Pikachu learns {{m|Thunderbolt}}, where it will shock the player.

===Amity Square===
{{main|Amity Square}}
[[File:Amitysquarefollowing.png|thumb|right|{{p|Infernape}} following the {{player}}]]
Amity Square, located on the north side of [[Hearthome City]] in [[Sinnoh]], allows several select Pokémon to follow the player around within its borders. An expansion on the concept introduced in Yellow, Amity Square allows the player's Pokémon to pick up [[accessories]] for [[Pokémon Super Contest|Super Contests]] and [[Berries]], which vary depending on which Pokémon is allowed in.

Only 11 of the 493 Pokémon are allowed into Amity Square in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}: {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Torchic}}, {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Pachirisu}}, {{p|Drifloon}}, {{p|Buneary}}, and {{p|Happiny}}. These Pokémon typically have some appearance elsewhere in Sinnoh, or are regarded as popular Pokémon in the franchise; most have somewhat of a mascot status due to appearing under the ownership of a main character of the {{pkmn|anime}}.

In {{game|Platinum}}, nine additional Pokémon are allowed into Amity Square: the Sinnoh region's [[starter Pokémon]] and their evolutions. In addition, Amity Square itself has been redesigned and expanded.

===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver===
[[File:Goldandsoul.png|thumb|right|{{ga|Gold}} and {{ga|Kotone}} with their {{p|Chikorita}} and {{p|Marill}}]]
Walking Pokémon return to their former prominence in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, being able to walk with the player throughout the entire game, from the player getting his or her [[starter Pokémon]] to the defeat of {{ga|Red}} in [[Mt. Silver]].

Though the fact that the starter Pokémon is the first Pokémon that this is allowed for mimics {{game|Yellow}} in a way, unlike Yellow, the starter is not the only one able to follow, and any Pokémon captured by the player can be in this position-- the only requirement is that it is first in the [[party]].

If a walking Pokémon knows an HM move that can be used on the field and the correct badge has been earned, it will automatically use the move when the player comes upon its respective obstacle. When sent into battle, like Yellow's Pikachu, it will appear from the side rather than from a Poké Ball. Also, when the walking Pokémon faints, the next Pokémon in the party takes its place as the walking Pokémon.

Much like in other games, it is possible to interact with the Pokémon. Checking the Pokémon will cause a small image of its current mood to pop up, as in Yellow (though unlike that game, a more detailed close-up is not available). The walking Pokémon will also sometimes interact with the overworld, such as an [[Pikachu-colored Pichu|event Pichu]] becoming interested in [[Notched-ear Pichu|a wild Pichu]] in [[Ilex Forest]], or an event {{p|Arceus}} allowing the player to obtain one of the [[dragon trio]] at level 1. Pokémon will additionally do as they did in Amity Square and occasionally pick up items and accessories, though it is unknown what items can be found this way or if these items vary by species.

====Gallery====
<gallery perrow="3">
File:HGSS fp1.jpg|{{p|Teddiursa}} is happy!
File:HGSS fp2.jpg|{{p|Larvitar}}, on the other hand, is not.
File:HGSS fp3.jpg|{{p|Wobbuffet}} has an [[item]].
File:HGSS fp4.jpg|{{p|Steelix}} and {{ga|Gold}} in the [[Ruins of Alph]].
File:CianwoodHGSS.png|{{p|Dodrio}} using {{m|Rock Smash}} north of [[Cianwood City]].
File:Gold & Hoothoot on Route 30.jpg|Gold and {{p|Hoothoot}} on a route.
</gallery>

==In the anime==
[[File:Misty AG.png|thumb|right|200px|[[Misty]] carrying [[Misty's Togetic|Togepi]]]]
Several Pokémon walk with their Trainers outside of their Poké Ball in the {{pkmn|anime}}, the most obvious of which is [[Ash's Pikachu]]. On Ash's first day as a Trainer, Pikachu adamantly refused to go back into its Poké Ball after being released from it in [[Professor Oak]]'s lab, and afterward revealed to Ash that it did not like being inside the ball. Though Ash eventually insisted it go inside for protection as he defended them both from the angry flock of {{p|Spearow}} he encountered, Pikachu still did not, and has not been inside of its, or any, Poké Ball since then, with the exception of ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', where it was captured by Mewtwo.

[[Misty's Togepi]] is another Pokémon in the anime famous for never being recalled to a Poké Ball, and even more notably, having never been seen to be in a Poké Ball at all. Ash found it as an egg in [[Grandpa Canyon]] in ''[[EP046|Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]]'', and it was cared for by [[Brock]] until it was stolen by [[Team Rocket]], subsequently hatching in [[Misty]]'s arms. It served as a companion to Pikachu throughout the series from its debut until Misty's departure, and was eventually released by Misty in ''[[AG045|A Togepi Mirage!]]''. Some do not count it as a walking Pokémon due to the fact that it never had ''any'' Poké Ball, even though it acted as one.

Like Pikachu, [[Dawn's Piplup]] has also become a walking Pokémon, though it was initially completely fine with staying inside at the beginning of the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}, and has not indicated that it has ever had a problem with it, unlike Pikachu. Since ''[[DP060|Journey To The Unown!]]'', Dawn usually carries it around in her arms.

Several of [[Team Rocket]]'s Pokémon travel with them out of their Poké Ball. Much like [[Ash's Pikachu]], Meowth does not stay inside a [[Poké Ball]], and it is never mentioned if he was ever captured by either member of Team Rocket he travels with. [[Jessie's Wobbuffet]] emerges from its [[Poké Ball]] frequently, without its Trainer's asking, and often at inappropriate times. Wobbuffet is thus something of a fourth team member.

[[Ritchie]] started carrying [[Sparky|his Pikachu]] out of its ball after meeting Ash. Like Dawn's Piplup, it has never shown any preference about being in a ball or not.

==Trivia==
*Most of the walking Pokémon in the anime have not evolved and also refuse to do so. The only exception is Misty's Togetic, although it was released soon after.

==See also==
* [[Ash's Pikachu]]
* [[Misty's Togetic]]
* [[Dawn's Piplup]]
* [[Meowth (Team Rocket)]]
* [[Sparky]]

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/introduction/system02.html Walking Pokémon in HGSS (Japanese)]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Pokémon world]]

Talk:Pokémon of myth/Archive 1

2009-08-12T18:13:10Z

Laxafett: /* I've been thinking about something... */

{{:User:Shiningpikablu252/PA}}
But... we don't even know if they're a trio... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Wait a tick... ==

Palkia is the Space pokemon 
Dialga is the Time pokemon 
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon 

Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?

Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an "ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it:
Arceus ; life ; Alpha
Giratina ; death ; Omega

Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work? Myrmidon 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:That'd then make Arceus the master of this trio, too... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

::Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. [[User:Pokéball|Pok]][[User_talk:Pokéball|é]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]] 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Here's proof:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.[[User:Dark0805|'''Dark0805''']] ([[User talk:Dark0805|''talk'']]|[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|''contribs'']]) 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Compare to this:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:382.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:383.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:384.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="12"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Mud Shot}}''' || '''{{m|Twister}}'''
|-
| 5 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 15 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 20 || '''{{m|Body Slam}}''' || '''{{m|Slash}}''' || '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 30 || {{m|Calm Mind}} || {{m|Bulk Up}} || {{m|Dragon Dance}}
|-
| 35 || '''{{m|Ice Beam}}''' || '''{{m|Earthquake}}''' || '''{{m|Crunch}}'''
|-
| 45 || '''{{m|Hydro Pump}}''' || '''{{m|Fire Blast}}''' || '''{{m|Fly}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Rest}}
|-
| 60 || '''{{m|Sheer Cold}}''' || '''{{m|Fissure}}''' || '''{{m|Extremespeed}}'''
|-
| 65 || '''{{m|Double-Edge}}''' || '''{{m|Solarbeam}}''' || '''{{m|Hyper Beam}}'''
|-
| 75 || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Earth Power}}''' || '''{{m|Dragon Pulse}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Water Spout}}''' || '''{{m|Eruption}}''' || '''{{m|Outrage}}'''
|}

Or this:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:377.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:378.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:379.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="12"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{M|Explosion}}'''
|-
| 9 || '''{{m|Rock Throw}}''' || '''{{m|Icy Wind}}''' || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}'''
|-
| 17 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Curse}}
|-
| 25 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Superpower}}'''
|-
| 33 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 41 || {{m|Iron Defense}}   ||   {{m|Amnesia}} || {{m|Iron Defense}} {{m|Amnesia}}
|-
| 49 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Charge Beam}}'''
|-
| 57 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Lock On}}
|-
| 65 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Zap Cannon}}'''
|-
| 73 || '''{{m|Stone Edge}}'''   ||   '''{{m|Ice Beam}}''' || '''{{m|Iron Head}}''' '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'''
|-
| 81 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Hammer Arm}}'''
|-
| 89 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Hyper Beam}}'''
|}

[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]]

AND THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME STATS ONLY MIXED UP.

So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!![[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']] 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:Unless someone can give me ''official'' proof that these three are the trio, and that {{p|Giratina}} is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. [[Canon]], people! -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]

::"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that [[Ash Ketchum]] is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]
:How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

::::[[Shipping]] '''usually''' has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's '''accepted''' that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]
:::::These three Pokémon being a trio '''has some logical basis,''' and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this '''may''' come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio:
*They all have the same stats just mixed up.
*They have similar moves, as seen above.
*They look similar in appearance.
*They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world.
*I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife.
But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, '''if''' a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}01:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::IF there's a V3. Gen IV has been avoiding most of the rules, such as nearly getting Dark, Psychic and Fighting starters and not all the new Pokémon are in the new dex. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

wait.. if we go by emeralds patten. the '''''MAY''''' be a battle between Palkia and diagla as depicted in the movies and Giratina will quell the battle. {{u|Dakclaw}}

Giratina cannot represent the afterlife, as the Lake trio have been stated to represent spirit. MATTER, on the other hand, is seperate from space and time, yet does not seem to be represented by Giratina. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:I'm not talking about MATTER, I'm talking about life. What creates life, besides spirit. Space, for things to move. Time, for things to accelerate. And a life after life...{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

::I doubt that Giratina represents life after death, but I do beleive he represents Death itself. He lives in a cemetary and is part ghost. [[User:Noname|Noname]] The afterlife would be a bit of a streach and I doubt they would do that in a pokemon game.

::::::whait you're forgetting something important. If any of you has played Ruby/Sapphire, you'll note that Rayquaza is not considered part of the wheather trio, althought it has similar attacks and base stats, and it is catchable only after the elite 4. it is later given a special role in Emerald AND THEN IT IS CONSIDERED part of it. Maybe it is what will happen with Giratina, and in the third Sinnoh game, a legend will say that Arceus created the three, as it happened in Emerald with Rayquaza who in Ruby/Sapphire is not mentioned anywhere. [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, until then, this is pure speculation, which does not belong here. We need a template or something that states that it's only speculation, and is not canon as of yet. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Giratina is part of the trio, opposing both Palkia and Dialga. I believe it's something like this: Palkia is space, Dialga is time, and Giratina would be the ''absence'' of space/time. If it's established that Giratina is "a Pokémon from another dimension", it's very easy to understand that the concept of time is different to Giratina. Also, his signature move being "Dark Void" tells us about the concept of space (also different from ours). Anyway, let's wait for the third game. I'm quite sure they'll explore Giratina as opposed to Dialga/Palkia, or maybe some collateral effect of Arceus' creation. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:I agree 100% with you, but Giratina's signature move is {{m|Shadow Force}}. {{m|Dark Void}} is {{p|Darkrai}}'s signature. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

::Since this is speculation anyway, consider this: Giratina's Shadow Force makes it "suddenly vanish", making it completely untouchable. It's possible it does this but exploiting it's absence of space and time, then the next turn it rematerializes intersecting its target, causing the damage as the solid matter (or pseudo-solid in Giratina's case) violently attempts to resolve a physical impossibility.--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written {{m|Dark Void}} with the ingame animation of {{m|Shadow Force}} in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

==Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed==
At last no more speculation. People who hasn't checked Serebii.net do it. A hi-res scan of the Coro coro magazine has leaked and is available [http://serebii.net/platinum/scan.jpg here]. As you can see in the pic, cyrus is standing in front of Dialga, Palkia and the shadow of Giratina. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:That imaged could be faked or photoshopped......[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|C is for Cookie]] 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Please know that THE WHOLE THING CAN BE FAKE!•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

giratina is on teh box art for pokemon platinum which has been officially announced... [[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Well then NOW it is conformed.•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 20:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::well then lugia ho-oh and suicune are a trio by that logic - touché! '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 11:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Not really. The boxart proves nothing by itself, or Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur would be a trio. But with the other evidence shared among the members of this trio (similar typing, all half {{t|Dragon}}; similar moves at the same levels; similar origin for their names ''Dia''mond/Dialga, ''P''e''a''r''l''/Palkia, Pla''tina''/Giratina)... well it pretty much says it all. But ''until we get evidence that Arceus also made Giratina'', which is undoubtedly the case, I would say, the dragon trio technically is unconfirmed. Come September, though, the whole thing will become clear.
:::I hate to be a hardass here, but hey, we're not taking any crap when it comes to anime Pokémon's gender (even for Ash's Charizard, and that's ''honestly ridiculous'' in my mind), so no crap is taken here. This trio is almost official. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Where is it written that trios ''have'' to have a master? That idea came more from the anime and the [[The Power of One|second movie]] than anything else. Furthermore, should we really be classifying trios of [[version mascot]]s the same way we do the honest-to-[[Arceus (Pokémon)|God]] trios (ie, the birds, the beasts, the golems, the bizzare psychic things)? I've always had a problem with that. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 09:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== No way ==

It's not necessarily part of the trio, as a matter a fact, I think it's the leader-guy! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:03 16 May 2008'''''
:Excuse me for asking, but what do you mean by "leader-guy"? As in leader of the "duo", or the duo and Arceus? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I believe he thinks that Giratina is sort of the '''trio master''' of the '''duo'''. But I believe that they all are a trio only with Giratina being the strongest.•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Everybody wait for platinum instead of saying "NUH UH MY THEORY IZ BETR THAN YERZ". [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I never said anything. I just believe what I said.'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[Dragon trio|102]]''' 00:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::This is the same as the weather trio. They are a trio, but there's one that's seemingly more powerful than the other two. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Thats a good point but it would still be BETTER to JUST WAIT. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== images ==

I think the image should go back to the turnback cave 1 the new 1 does not clearly depict Giratina its a silohuette and the others are in Sprite Form.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 20:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:The new image is important, though, as it demonstrates that there is probably some sort of link between the three. I think we should have both images; that way, there'd be one for each of them on their own in DP, and one of them all together in Platinum. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree 100% [[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey... ==

Look Its a trio with it being Dialga:Time Palkia:Space Giratina: '''VOID''' with arceus being the trio master of spirit and the dragon trio. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 17:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:That makes perfect sense.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
== Proof ==

Pokémon Platinum serves as proof that this is a trio similar to the weather trio. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

:Wouldn't that be like saying Lugia, Ho-Oh and Suicune are a trio? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::Nopes. Lugia and Ho-oh are kind of a duo, and Suicune is just a version mascot. Suicune has nothing to do with Lugia and that's why they aren't a trio. In Gen III however, Groudon and Kyogre were a duo, and Rayquaza was a Pokémon that had apparently no relation to the other two (not even in its pokédex description). However in Emerald, it was revealed to be part of the trio, as it's the only one capable of stoping the effects of Kyogre and Groudon. This is exactly the same that's gonna happen with Giratina. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== I've been thinking about something... ==

I was watching TV one day and they said something about Time, Space and DIMENSION.
That made me think about how each of the dragon trio has a certain control over what they represent
and that Giratina has control over dimension. So wouldn't that make Giratina represent Dimension? [[User:Darkmaster0]] 20:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:True. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I was thinking the same. In fact I'd like to suggest renaming the trio to a more specific term like '''Reality trio''', as in time, space and dimension being the three elements of reality, though I prefer to leave it up for debate. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 01:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it was on doctor who - TARDIS stands for {{p|Dialga|'''Time'''}} And Relative {{p|Giratina|'''Dimension'''}} In {{p|Palkia|'''Space'''}}. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 12:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::TARDIS Dragons, then? :) --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 13:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::LOL'''[[User:Shazaaaam|SHA]][[User_talk:Shazaaaam|ZAA]][[Special:Contributions/Shazaaaam|AAM!]]''' 13:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that Giratina represents the NEGATIVE of Dialga and Palkia's respective dimensions, like the negative of an photograph. It's as if the negative were intertwined behind the strings of dimension, thus it having a connection, like an astral plane. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 14:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Somebody is misinformed here. Space is the combination OF the first three DIMENSION'''S'''. The fourth Dimension is the forward and backward directions of Time. Also, if Giratina resides in the '''Reverse'''World, then surely there should be a fourth - to oppose both Dialga and Palkia! Do I make sense?[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 20:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm, sorry to bump an old topic, but I believe SPACE is the first three dimensions and TIME is the fourth. A 3D thing can't see anything 4D or higher (that's why we can't 'see' time). Giratina is in the Reverse World, supposedly a separate world from ours. However, could it be that the Reverse World is our world, just that it has more dimensions? And building on that, does that mean that the Reverse World allows travel in time? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:46 3 Sep 2008'''''
::Now that you mention it, string theory has those six extra curled-up dimensions, which could be why the Reverse/Torn world is shaped so oddly...
::Although I somehow doubt that the people responsible for coming up with these things pay much attention to theoretical physics. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 20:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Especially since those curled up dimensions are very 'small'. And that it is called the 'Reverse' world suggests a form of opposition, as is found with matter and anti-matter, therefore necessitating the need for a fourth related Legendary to maintain the balance of the worlds. i.e. If Giratina is the 'Reverse' equivalent of either Dialga or Palkia, then there is an imbalance - and a Gap to be filled by another Reverse World Pokémon.[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 23:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:::: Also, the First two Seasons of the Diamond and Pearl series are What? Diamond and Pearl, the first two Games of [[Generation IV]]; and Battle DIMENTION, the thing that Giratina controls. [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£ik@chµ]] 00:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]]
:::::Obviously yo didn't get it... SPACE and TIME '''are''' DIMENTIONS. Giratina doen't control DIMENTION, or it would have been named "Spatial and Temporal Pokémon" instead of "Renegade Pokémon". He is more a negative-space controlling Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, u r sayin that {{p|Giratina|Giratina}} controls somethin' like a {{wp|blackhole}}? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly. A black hole is a strong gravitational field around nothing (like a planet or star). Giratina seems to control a negative space, created of anti-matter, but there seems to be an unbalance as it looks to be only the oposite of Palkia. There is an unbalance because in its dimension there is no anti-temporal Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:By jove I got through to somebody at last! The creators have either been very neglectful, or Giratina is not a specific opposite to any other Pokemon. As has been said then if it were the opposite to one of the other Dragons then there must have been a fourth! (Maybe they are saving it for the remakes;-p.)[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 22:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for opening an old subject; But i think i've figgured it out. The three thinks that make up the univirse are Space(Contoled by Palkia), Time (Controled by Dialga), and Matter (Giratina?) and is there any info in Plt.? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 22:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::No, its Dimension isnt it. Anything has dimensions, even an atom, is 0.000000001 something wide. I guess its another way of saying matter. So eventually when they make Gen 4 remakes LOL, in Gen 6, itl be TimeDiamond, SpacePearl, and DimensionPlatinum LOL. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 19:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Palkia (Pokémon)|Space]] (width, length, and depth) and [[Dialga (Pokémon)|time]] ARE the freaking known dimensionss!!!! stop with that!! Giratina doesn't control dimension, or Arceus had only created him to do both time and space and not Dialga and Palkia!!!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Giratina controls an alternate dimension, parallel to the real world. The torn world-where the laws of physics in the real world don't apply. Giratina seems to control what is the reverse reality or the reverse dimension to the real Pokémon world. I don't think that calling it, and by it i mean a future game that probably won't even ever be considered to be produced, "DimensionPlatinum" is sensible. The only reason they had FRLG was because it was impossible to have your Ruby Version trade with your Blue version. Plus, with much better graphics, it was a really cool game to play if you are someone who loves the originals.
Anyway, Giratina does control something: an alternate dimension. Maybe even the dimension opposite of what we call the living world because it is mentioned in on of the Pokédex entries that it hangs around graveyards. Maybe that's what it does when it enters the natural world. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:Giratina is supposed to balance out the Time and Space. In Platinum, Cyrus says DNA has two strands to balance out each other. D/P is one part while Giratina is the other. But I also think that if it was caught, the world it created/lived in would stay like D/P if they were rather than destroy like Cyrus said. So I'm not sure. It is probably confined to Turnback Cave when it visits the world for its "crimes".{{u|Laxafett}} 19:12, 12 August 2009(UTC)

== New Table ==
I think this resolves everything:

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
|Species
| align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}} || align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}} || align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
|-
| Type 1
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | '''Steel'''-type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Type 2
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
|-
| Level 10
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | ''{{m|Metal Claw}}'' '''Steel'''-Type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | ''{{m|Water Pulse}}'' '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Level 40
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | ''{{m|Roar of Time}}'' '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | ''{{m|Spacial Rend}}'' '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Shadow Force}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Level 80
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | ''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'' '''Steel'''-type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | ''{{m|Aqua Tail}}'' '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|}

'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 13:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

== Form/Forme ==

Change it. It's in the article. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:52 3 Sep 2008'''''

:There's no real need to change something if pretty much 100% it's not going to stick, such as this whole "forme" bullsh*t. Trust me, it'll be "Origin Form" when it's revealed stateside, and that'll be the end of this whole "forme" debacle. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::Except for Deoxys being Attack Forme on Pokémon.com, you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Giratina Sprite ==

Should we use the Platinum Sprite for Giratina? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£ik@chµ]] 00:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join the [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]]:D
:As in.. Origin Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yea. [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]].

== Platina Version release, Dragon Trio status Confirmed ==

So, with Platina Version released Japan-side, is it pretty much safe to say that this article no longer needs the "disputed" status? Giratina has had a confirmed role alongside Dialga and Palkia, and the status of the Dragon Trio is confirmed. Is it safe to remove the "disputed" label, or will doing so cause a bomb explosion of hate and flame? I won't do so until I'm granted confirmation people aren't going to flip out on me for doing so. Same goes for the Legendary Pokémon article, which is similarly out of date. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

*I agree. It's pretty freaking obvious from the start that Giratina goes along with Dialga and Palkia. I know having proof is important but seriously, it was so obvious that Giratina belongs in the dragon trio. That's just how Nintendo does things. If the Pokémon have similar move sets, and in this case, one type shared by all 3, then changes are, they are trios. Plus, with the way game mascots are assigned now (refering to Generation III), it gives you a little more proof. It's almost like people need Nintendo to just come out and say "hey guys, Giratina is in the dragon trio with Dialga and Palkia now so no more speculation, yeah!" for them to truly consider Giratina as a member of the dragon trio. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

==Dimensional Trio?==

Shouldn't it be called the Dimensional Trio? It's like Palkia rules the third dimension, Dialga rules the fourth dimension, and Giratina probably rules the fifth dimension. The place where they all live must be the SIXTH dimension, based on implications from the Darkrai and Shaymin movies, (you know, where all the Unown live) because they have to be in a dimension higher than theirs to warp them, and in the Shaymin movie Dialga and Palkia apparently trashed Giratina's place. (Giratina is probably the oddball in this, because he lives in the fifth dimension to guard it, but he probably moved at the beginning of everything, but Dialga and Palkia don't need to stay in their dimensions to guard it, and there are also Pokemon who guard their dimensions, like Celebi for Dialga, and every Pokemon and human in the universe for Palkia) Because of this, Dialga and Palkia can warp Giratina's dimension (although without having the power to control it) like they did in the Shaymin movie. I say the reason why Dialga and Palkia can't control each other's dimensions is:

1: They don't have the power to do so.
2. Arceus, who lives in the SEVENTH dimension, has made it impossible for them to even WARP each other's dimensions.

I also say the reason that Dialga and Palkia are apparently able to warp GIRATINA'S dimension is that Giratina's dimension is a parallel to the regular one, and you can't control one dimension without warping the parallel dimension in some way.

All this, however, is just my opinion, except for the fact that all this opinion backs up my statement that it should be called the DIMENSIONAL trio. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 17:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, DIMENSIONAL seems appropiate. I agree =O '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, ''Fifth'' dimension? You mean a tesseract?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary titans trio? ==

According to [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do Circuit City], which released the English name for persons, things, and places in Platinum, the official name semms to be "legendary titans" or "legendary titans trio". Can any sysop ''please'' move the page to it's official, English name? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 14:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
: I'd rather we didn't because I don't know how reliable Circuit City is with names. Besides, it may not even be official. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:: For whatever it's worth, I looked at Pokebeach (I look at Pokebeach and Serebii as well as Bulbapedia) and they said that Circuit City removed the information. So they might have been told to take it down by Nintendo. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:::That's what I'm guessing too. I'm near certain that the lake and dragon trios will get official names soon (legendary pixies and titans), and Brock's gonna be seeing Uxie by DP120. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

No {{an|May}} saw {{p|Uxie}} --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:May saw the lake if I remember right, but didn't mention Uxie... I dunno, I never saw the dub version, but I heard no mention of "Yuxie". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, what the heck with it. "Legendary Titans" sounds better. LET'S MOVE IT!!! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, i really don't like the idea of calling them "Titans". Based on the old greek mythology and definitions, i always saw the weather trio as more the Titans as compared to the dragon trios god-hood. But then, this is just probably cuz Nintendo is too cowardly to dare use the g-word.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:There's been no confirmation of the "titans" name yet, only of the Platinum release date. Note [[Handsome]] and [[Pluto]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ah but everything else from that circuit city page has been confirmed true, and besides, can't we change it anyway? Seriously, ''Titans'' makes more sense than ''Dragons''[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 15:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It ''might'' be official since it's under "Manufacturer's description", but IDK. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Spacial Rend ==
It's colored a light blue colored as if it were a water-type move instead of a dragon-type move. was this done on purpose or something? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 01:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:GASP! TEH COLOR MEANS EVERYTHING. Osrry. I severly doubt it, it could have just been colored that way[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Yeah, I figure this was done to show the primary type of each of the titans, but to be more align with the rest of the 'pedia can an admin change this? As the page is locked. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::The coloration (in those three rows, at least) is more to represent the differences between the dragons, rather than the types of their moves. If we changed Spacial Rend (and Roar of Time, for that matter), it'd mess up the aesthetics of the table. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::But what about the tables at [[legendary birds]], [[legendary golems]], or [[lake trio]]? Surely displaying the correct type, as all other tables do around the entire wiki, is more important than making three colored lines. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ugh. I likes me my pretty lines. If it were up to me, I'd change the other pages... still, it's not. At any rate, I'll change it for now, at least. Maybe I can get my pretty lines back later. (And maybe they'll release Classics Soundwave, and maybe my classes won't be so hard next semester, and...) --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. I admit, it did ''look'' better before, but a certain echidna once told me that we strive for accuracy at Bulbapedia. And here accuracy does mean correct typing. This "razz frazzin' [{{tt|adult|in body if not in mind}}]" thanks you for carrying out his "razz frazzin' edit" :D — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hey, I'm nineteen, practically venerable. I can call whoever I want a "kid."
::::::Anyway, 's cool. This is a community project, and I'm no community (the voices in my head don't count). Just so long as I got them all. Anything else needs did-ing, come poke my talk page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==Greek Gods==
I was thinking, ever notice how the dragons seem to be like Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus of Greek mythology? Like, Palkia/Poseidon is the more substantial and more all-present of the three, Zeus/Dialga is the more ethereal and less reachable, and Giratina/Hades is the one who can't live with the others and guard a dimension which no one wants, and controls the afterlife.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 23:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting theory, but considering that Zeus was the king of the gods, wouldn't that be Arceus instead of Dialga? I was thinking that same thing with Hades, seeing as Giratina is the Renegade pokemon, like he's defying Arceus and was sent to guard the dimension people would rather avoid... ARGH! I'm an atheist and I was about to go into a God/Satan thing... But in my opinion, just like Rayquaza in Emerald, Giratina will be added to The Original Story and whatever Giratina controls will be mentioned alongside Time and Space... [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do do do. All mythology is basically the same. I could find you three main gods in the Egyptian Religion and Norse Mythology that function the same way you described. Basically, no.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Actually, Arceus would in this case be more similar to the Titan Kronos, in that it is the "father" of the dragon trio/main greek gods.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 14:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good point, but then, Zeus killed Kronus because Kronus ate his "kids." I can't see anyone killing Arceus- except for certain fans- and Arceus certainly didn't eat the dragon trio. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Movie 12|To the '''Conquering''' of Space-Time]]. If that's not children revolting against a maker... [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 19:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::::No, I'd say it's more of one child beating the crap out of the other two. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]][[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]][[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 20:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Look, lets just wait for To the conquering of space-time. Then we ''should'' find out all we need to know about Arceus.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 13:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Dragon Trio has as much to do with the greek gods as the Weather Trio have to do with them. Over.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::No.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 18:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|O RLY? Kyogre is Posieden. Hades causes earthquakes. So does Groudon. Zeus is God of the Sky, GASP! SO IS RAYQUAZA!|This is ma boomstick!}}[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 18:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Silly, everyone knows that Hades doesn't cause Earthquakes.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 20:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Silly, remember in the myth of how he stole his wife? ( I think Persephone). He caused an earthquake and kidnapped her, the Goddess of Earth (not Gaia) got angry and wouldnt let the earth grow, zeus comprimised, Persephone spends half her time in the Underworld *winter* half her time on earth *summer spring*[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 20:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys, stop this silly discussion once and for all. They are not based on the greek gods or something, so please stop. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Btw, Posidien causes earthquakes. [[User:ShinyPikachu|'ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ']] 01:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::And so can Hades[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just to set things straight: Hades does not "cause earthquakes". In the myth of Persephone, all he did was make the ground open. That's not an earthquake. The earth might shake in result of the ground opening, but Poseidon is directly connected to the occurance of earthquakes, whereas for Hades, they are nothing but a side-effect. Not the same thing. He does not deliberately make it shake beneath your feet, so he is not the patron of them (like Poseidon is). Anyone trying to argue, in jest or in seriousness, that Groudon is Hades...bwahaha. Yer tring 2 herd. And that "goddess of the earth" is no such thing. Persephone's mother is Demeter, patron of the harvest. The myth is also slightly deeper than that. Amateurs.

::Triads of gods are a popular theme in mythology. 3 is a magic number of checks and balances. You can take any trio and set them over any set of three gods remotedly connected, and have yourself a barbeque comparing and contracting, pushing and pulling until the pieces fit lopsidedly. There's no sense in noting it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could someone edit Another Forme -> Altered Forme, since the page is protected? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 20:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Triviatastic curiosity ==

No two members of the trio have the same number of legs. Even considering Giratina's OF this remains true, as Giratina OF has no legs, Palkia has two, Dialga has four and Giratina AF has six. I myself find it odd/curious. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 17:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do it[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Forgot to add, since it's blocked I can't edit it in. Would you mind to add this shallow appreciation? TiA.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Three beings were born to bind time and space."
It said this on the draco plate, but only Dialga and Palkia have anything to do with time/space. On the plate page, if you click on where it says three beings it navigates too a page about the lake trio. They, however, have nothing to do time and space, only spirit. Perhaps this third being is Giratina? I choose to stay neutral until the theory is proven.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 17:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Eh. The Distorted World Distorts space and is in its own time[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 17:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::So you're saying the link should be changed (or at least, that we should consider changing it)? And if so, wouldn't it make more sense to bring this up there? But yeah, I'll take a look. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::No, wait. It can't be the Dragon trio, because it mentions "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One" right before that. So I guess Giratina's just being left out. Those jerks. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the page for heatran and, sorry to stir up this wierd argument even more, but it says something about it being created as an after effect of the creation of Dialga and Palkia. This could mean that the trio is of Dialga, Palkia and Heatran. I'll check their move sets and compare them, but i doubt it.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, completely different. Btw, I just want to shine my doubt on the theory of Girantina being death and arceus life. It cannot work, because they have such different stats. To keep things in balence, they would need to be equally strong, like the other trios.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Something i noticed ==

I noticed it says this in the article:
:"Dialga controls time and Palkia controls space, two aspects of the '''four-dimensional universe''' that the Pokémon world, like our own, is a part of. The final member, Giratina, apparently has control over other dimensions like the Distortion World, which may itself be a location with a '''fourth spacial dimension'''. "
Shouldn't that be the fifth dimension, since the Dialga and Palkia control the other four? I would've just changed it myself, but... well... I can't.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 15:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect ==

Admin, could you please protect this page? We don't need vandals addin False information about HGSS, and such. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Considering that we've known about this for ages and no one had bothered to put any information about HGSS on at all (which is true, btw), I'm denying this request. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Blaziken (Pokémon)

2009-07-12T11:26:52Z

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By the way, Blaziken would make a brilliant Fighting and Flying type if it wasn't a Fire type. (Irrelevant) [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== However, Blaziken does have more power than Infernape. ==

Can somebody rewrite that sentence? It isn't clear what stat this is supposed to be referred to. By power does it mean the Attack stat? Special Attack state? The powerful fire-type moves, clarification needed. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Blaziken resembles Brooklyn from the Gargoyles TV series and comics. ==

Aside from the similarities in color and the fact that they both have a distinctly non-human face, I really don't see the resemblance. [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 13:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:I don't see it either, and I'm of the mind that these resemblances need to stop. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::I removed it. Even for a trivia section, I see no need to point out a vague similarity that was most likely unintended. [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 19:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== flaming wrists ==

it says that Blaziken has flames spouting from its wrists like in the anime but how come none of its sprites have them?
[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 16:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Um, because they dont. It would be really cool to see one made though.[[User:Shadow lucario|Shadow lucario]] 04:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Blaziken's Blast Burn ==

I think it's necessary to mention that Blaziken's Blast Burn on a [[Paras (Pokémon)|Paras]] can do the most damage (hypothetical) of ALL possible situations (Lv100, with Blaze activated, in strong sunlight, SAtk +6, Metronome maximized, critical hit, as well as Lv1 Paras with Dry Skin, -6 SDef). It's over 10^10. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 10:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's because Paras has a 4x weakness to fire--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 10:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::And remember that it's not just Blaziken with the Blast Burn. Charizard, Typhlosion, and Infernape too. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually, whichever has the highest Sp.A. of those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 15:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I meant who can have Blast Burn, but I get what you mean. For base Sp. Attack it would be Blaziken with 110, while Charizard and Typhy have 109, and Infernape has 104. I haven't ever had a Blaziken with more Sp. Attack than any Charizard or Typhlosion though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I thought it was a maxed defense shuckle with power trick and rollout and defence curl and all that fun stuff--[[User:Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur|Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur]] 23:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Double Edge ==

Can we say If a Blaziken was migrated from Fr/Lg to DPPt knowing Double Edge, then learning the other two versions it can know, then will it be the only Pokémon to know the most as of Gen IV or are there others. I've the best as I can so I need some confirmation. Thank You. {{u|Laxafett}} 12:25, 12 July 2009(UTC)

Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2009-06-18T18:37:35Z

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I do wonder. Should we have the page at Gizamimi Pichu, since that's the "official" name used in the calendars and such? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Probably. Is it ever 'officially' called ''Notched-ear Pichu''??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
---This is true but I think it would make the page impossible to find. Most people probably know it as Notched-Ear Pichu as opposed to Gizamimi Pichu. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why redirects were created. (I knew they would come to good use sometime!!!) --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::True. Perhaps this page should say "Notched-Ear Pichu, known in official materials as Gizamimi Pichu..."? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Voice actor ==

It needs to be Shōko Nakagawa with the accent mark. "Shoko Nakagawa" links to a nonexistant page. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not any more it doesn't. But still a fix would be nice oh kind admins. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ability ==

When was the ability show/confirmed? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 00:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno either. But I guess it's from the Japanese movie site. I can't ready Japanese. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Can we get somebody who CAN read Japanese check the site? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 02:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Does Pichu have any other ability I'm not aware of. I find it odd that when an anime Pokemon only has one ability, its not confirmed, I realize that a Pokemon can have 2 abilities, but I don't buy that since it goes along the gender differences. A certain Pokemon had Ability A prior to Generation X. And there's no conflicting information (albeit speculative) that a Pokemon in the anime can't have both abilities, like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 02:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it doesn't have another ability in the games, but why can't the anime give it a different one? A new anime-exclusive one? Why can't the anime say only certain Pokémon have an ability, and others don't? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 11:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's the reason why we don't add Blaze as Ash's Charizard's ability, despite being the only ability Fire starters can have. It has yet to be shown or confirmed by somebody. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly; that's why I think we should
a) Confirm Pichu's ability with a source
b) Remove it. {{unsigned|The Dark Fiddler}} 11:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::Nobody? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I took so long. Link me.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==
::It is confirmed that little Notchie is shiny, though. *Leads all to Bulbanews*--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No, it's not Shiny. The Event Pichu is shiny. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Of which is directly based off of Notchie.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because the event Pichu is shiny doesn't mean that the Pichu itself is. '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 23:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: No the only reason why the event Pichu is shiny is because there's no ear-notched Pichu programmed into the game. It being shiny was the only thing they could've done to make it stand out compared to other Pichu's. Notched Ear Pichu however is still normal. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 23:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::It looks like that in the preview of the newer ending, there's a Pikachu-colored Pichu appearing alongside Notch-eared Pichu. So they are infact separete entities [[User:PDL|PDL]] 13:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Left vs. Right ==
In the article, it says it's her right ear that is notched, but that is her left ear. {{unsigned|Wikifixer}}
:Someone epic failed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu in Ending ==
Too lazy to make a new section, but apparently, she is the fixation of the fourth ending. More info's on Bulbanews. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]]
: It was hard to type 4 equal signs? O.o Anyways, we know this, but other than mentioning it, there isn't anything we can do, it's just speculation that Notched-ear will become a part of the main cast until then. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 11:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes. And we need an admin to put that factoid in there, as the page is protected from vandals atm. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 15:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==
Instead of calling him Notched-ear Pichu,
Just call him by his Japanese name: Gizamimi Pichu.
It's Better then Notched-ear Pichu.
[[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]]09:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

But its better. [[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]] [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 18:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:...do you have a better reason? A less colossally vague reason?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Also it's a girl. But I do wonder about calling it Gizamimi as well, since that's on official stuff... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Because we wouldn't call [[Barry|Jun]] "Barry" until [[DP101]] was released even though it was beyond obvious. Are we so sure about Gizamimi's official title 3 months before even the Japanese movie is released? I'm not really picky, I don't mind what we call it (I'll still call it Gizamimi^^) but if you want an argument for Gizamimi Pichu, there it is. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pichu? ==

I'm hearing everywhere about a picture of a shiny pichu, the notch-eared pichu, and pikachu. Where is this image? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:This is not something to be posted here. Go to your talk. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wild ==

It's obviously not a trainer's Pichu,It's obviously wild.
If it were a trainer's pokemon they would already reveal him or her. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Also, the current location should be [[Michīna]]. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Not a Biggie, But . . . ==

Under the picture, the caption says Notched ear Pichu, but the rest of the article and the article title calls it the "Notched-ear Pichu". Note the missing hyphen. I mean, it's not like it's a big deal, but it's just something that's bugging me is all. >.> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 21:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset and Ability ==

Not sure if this info is out, but as revealed in Pokemon Sunday today:
*Charge
*Volt Tackle
*Endeavor
*Endure
*Holding: Everstone
--[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 23:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:That's the moveset of the [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2009|event ''Pikachu-colored Pichu'']] in the games, not Notched-ear Pichu. And games=/=anime, so that's not needed. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 01:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Game Purpose ==

The recent CoroCoro scan for [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG/SS]] has Notchy interacting with the [[Alternate Coloration|Pikachu Colored]] {{p|Pichu}} owned by Gold. Should we add this to the article that it's at least ''involved'' in the games? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:According to [http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pichu.shtml], the PCP event in Ilex Forest gives the player Notchie. Should this be added? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why doesn't anyone make a Sprite for Gizamimi (Notched-Ear) Pichu. If they can make a Sparky (Ritchie's Pikachu) can't anyone do this? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 23:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::There is no need for such a sprite because it has no where to go. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
Why does the article say Notched-ear Pichu is female? It's obviously male, or else it would have a notch in its tail. --[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's Pikachu. Pichu don't have gender differences. Further, its [[Get Fired up, Notched-ear Pichu!|theme song]] declares it to be a girl. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Wild? ==

From the new screen shots, you see Notched-Ear Pichu following behind the player. This might hint that it's been captured, for only captured Pokémon can follow the player. And because it was captured, it means that it is was a wild Pokémon.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 18:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== What is she? ==

Is she a game character,put into the anime like many other characters,or an anime character made canon in the games? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure she's an anime character put into the games because she was revealed to be in the anime before HG/SS.--[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 21:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:: But,a lot of things are revealed in the anime before they are revealed in the games..[[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== pikachu? ==

I this Pichu were to evolved then the Pikachu would not be notch eared right? So maybe there was a notched eared pikachu programmed into HGSS? {{u|Laxafett}} 19:37,18 June 2009(UTC)

Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2009-06-18T18:36:17Z

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Talk:Silcoon (Pokémon)

2009-05-30T12:31:37Z

Laxafett: /* Spikes */ new section

== No anime ==

There is no In the anime section for Silcoon, why?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Because nobody made it. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 15:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Then we have to do it--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Spikes ==

In all pictures I've seen Silcoon and Cascoon has spikes while the Pokémon that May and Jessie owned has none. Can anyone explain this to me. {{u|Laxafett}} 13:31, 30 May 2009(UTC)

Talk:The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon

2009-05-23T12:58:09Z

Laxafett: /* Bullet Seed-capable Aggron - error? */

I will double check these tomorrow and add more. Just thought ide add a preliminary template. (Sunain)

How the heck did [[Dr. Yung]] know about {{p|Mewtwo}}?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:Assumidly, he saw Mewtwo offscreen while he was checking Pikachu's memories. After all, Pikachu still remembers Mewtwo Returns. He also must have seen Articuno and Zapdos offscreen, as he creates them, too.

== Corphish ==

[[Ash's Corphish]] doesn't even speak in either the [[dub]] or the original Japanese [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 15:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Date ==

The episode aired in the US in April 29. How did it then later air in Japan? Shouldn't that come before the US dub? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 22:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not with this one. This was a special episode they produced just for the American fans (to replace the voices). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::It was not made by the Japanese? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 22:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, this special was produced by the Japanese. However, it was commissioned by Pokemon USA. So, they had the Japanese produce this special for them, and they also aired it in the US first (before bringing the special to Japan). Of course, several other Pokemon scenes have been commissioned for the dub before. For example, with Pokemon 4Ever, 4Kids commissioned the Japanese to produce additional scenes for the film. I believe they also did this with the Johto League Champions opening. ^^ --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 15:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Considering how the Japanese wrote the special, it's canon with the show/franchise, since anything that the Japanese creaters do (either Satoshi Tajiri or someone writing pokemon) with the series is canon. look it up in the Canon article on this site. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Bullet Seed-capable Aggron - error? ==

How come Aggron knowning Bullet Seed is an error if it's a mirage Pokémon and not a "real" Pokémon? If Dr. Yung could change the DNA of the Pokémon and even create Pokémon himself, then this shouldn't count as an error. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't Max make note of this that they can't normally learn moves the mirage Pokémon knows. I've seen this special twice so I can't remember much of it.{{u|Laxafett}}13:57, 23 May 2009(UTC)

Talk:Muk (Pokémon)

2009-05-20T18:33:29Z

Laxafett: /* Left arm. */

== Origin ==
Is that Godzilla reference really relevent? I see that they're both born of sludge, but that doesen't really imply that one of them inspired the other.--[[User:Shard1697|Shard1697]] 04:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Left arm. ==

Would Muks left arm be just like Kinglers left. They are both larger than the right. {{u|Laxafett}} 19:33, 20 May 2009(UTC)

Talk:Muk (Pokémon)

2009-05-20T18:33:04Z

Laxafett: /* Left arm. */ new section

Talk:B-Button League

2009-05-17T09:39:33Z

Laxafett:

Is it ever explained in the show why they're called the B=Button league? [[User:Binks|Binks]] 14:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Look at thr logo on the building. It's the "B"-button on a white DS Lite. When you press "B", it stops evolution. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 04:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::But to ''actually'' answer the question, I don't recall them explicitly stating the reason why it's called the B-Button League. '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 04:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys, this article could use a little grammar help. I'll go do that right now.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 08:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It's because they don't want their Pokémon to evolve like when you press the button during evolution. I do it all the time to get attacks like Seed Bmob for Bulbasaur {{u|Laxafett}} 10:39, 17 May 2009(UTC)

Talk:B-Button League

2009-05-17T09:39:16Z

Laxafett:

Is it ever explained in the show why they're called the B=Button league? [[User:Binks|Binks]] 14:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Look at thr logo on the building. It's the "B"-button on a white DS Lite. When you press "B", it stops evolution. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 04:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::But to ''actually'' answer the question, I don't recall them explicitly stating the reason why it's called the B-Button League. '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 04:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys, this article could use a little grammar help. I'll go do that right now.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 08:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
It's because they don't want their Pokémon to evolve like when you press the button during evolution. I do it all the time to get attacks like Seed Bmob for Bulbasaur {{u|Laxafett}} 10:39, 17 May 2009(UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-10T16:15:11Z

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{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-10T16:11:46Z

Laxafett: /* Leaf and Kris */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off at Game Freak if they DON'T include Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::I want to see the changes to places likeCinnabar Island or the gym sprites. They mentioned Janine in FR/LG so itmust be there. If they don't then it is like they broke the promise.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:10, 10 May 2009(UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-10T16:11:30Z

Laxafett: /* Gen V */

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| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off at Game Freak if they DON'T include Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::I want to see the changes to places likeCinnabar Island or the gym sprites. They mentioned Janine in FR/LG so itmust be there. If they don't then it is like they broke the promise.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:10, 10 May 2009

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-10T16:11:09Z

Laxafett: /* Leaf and Kris */

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| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off at Game Freak if they DON'T include Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::I want to see the changes to places likeCinnabar Island or the gym sprites. They mentioned Janine in FR/LG so itmust be there. If they don't then it is like they broke the promise.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:10, 10 May 2009

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-05-10T16:05:54Z

Laxafett: /* Gen V */

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| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=18166 {{color|1b45c1|this forum thread}}].'''</big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf and Kris ==

Been thinking and thought on the possibility that Leaf may have a role in HG/SS. I know that she (as of now) is only the female player character in FR/LG but maybe Game Freak could give her a role in HG/SS *fighting alongside Red in a double battle, maybe XD*. The same goes for Kris. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:BTW, this is definitely the final proof that we need to make all Blue's articles, Green's articles. I know this confusion is only present outside of Japan since the Japs had R/G while we had R/B (although FR/LG should've been enough to clear all the confusion but whatever). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::My guess would be that if you chose a girl then you fight Leaf and Mount Silver, if you chose the boy, then you fight red at mount silver. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it's a possibility, although it seems unlikely. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::A double battle seems even more unlikely to me no offence, although again it is a possibility. I think the most likely is that sexism shall prevail, and Red will be battled in Mount Silver, regardless of whether the player is a boy or girl, and leaf wont get so much as a mention. I'm praying we dont have Kanto in the remakes, however i am sure we will, so maybe she might make a cameo there. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 18:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Again, it's all possibilities at the moment. And why do you want no Kanto in HG/SS, even knowing it'll be there for sure, as well as the Sevii Islands? It'll be interesting how they're going to redesign them and how they'll change the plot with the advancement of 3 years in game time. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Max King: I will be pissed off at Game Freak if they DON'T include Kanto in the remakes. No, I DON'T care that GSC Kanto felt small and rushed. It still provided with extra gameplay and made the world more massive (GSC has the highest number of cities in any Pokémon game to this day), and I like being able to know how Kanto evolved in the 3 years between RGB and GSC, being able to earn 16 badges, and getting to fight Red (who had the highest-leveled team in the whole series until Platinum came out). Plus, GSC Kanto was meant to be a extra region. So who cares if it isn't as big and doesn't have a main quest as long as a "main" region?
::::::Pokemon lover: I'm positive that they won't make what you suggest, because that would mess up continuity. In the FR/LG plot, there's Red OR Leaf, not BOTH. In other words, both can't exist in the same continuity. Plus, turning the final GSC battle into a double one would seem too much a change for a remake (And a change that I wouldn't want, personally. I like thinking of the last battle as me fighting with the until then strongest Pokémon trainer in the world, the champion and protagonist of the first game. Making me fight TWO trainers at the same time [as opposed to just fighting THE trainer] would ruin that IMO). They will most likely make it so that you fight the one whose gender is the same as yours. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 12:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe you're right about the final battle. Still I don't think why they couldn't give Leaf a cameo. And what about Kris? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::FR/LG allowed you to choose the gender, so I think it's fair to assume that so will HG/SS. In other words, Kris is very likely to be one of the two selectable player characters. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 15:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Super Contest

2009-05-06T20:43:51Z

Laxafett:

Since this is pure copyvio from Serebii.net, does someone with an American D/P want to have a go at rewriting it from scratch? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Pie. ^_^
:Question: Does the game refer to this as a 'Pokémon Super Contest' or just 'Super Contest'? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::Both are used: "Welcome to the Contest Hall. I can help you with registering for a Super Contest." "There are four different ranks to the Pokémon Super Contests." - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

While I was doing a Master ranked contest, I ran into a girl by the name of Casey. She looked like the woman at the counters out front. She used a Chansey by the name of pinky. I was just wondering if she was an important character.

She also looks the same as the nurse at the Pokemon Center, which makes more sense since she uses Chansey. I thin k she should be added to the list. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 03:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Casey is just nobody just another character like Gabriel or whatever the others are called. I've seen Casey at the same time as Johanna, while I haven't seen Fantina or Jasmine at the same time as each other. Also her rating thing isn't high like the others. If Casey is include so should the others. I think it should be removed.{{u|Laxafett}} 21:43,6 May 2009(UTC)
== Fairness ==

Is the Master Rank Visual Competition rigged? I have NEVER gotten over four hearts, and I have a considerable amount of appropriate poffins used, and I follow a theme guide I found on GameFAQS. I used to get around 9 on lower levels.[[User:Inker|Inker]] 00:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yea I know, all have Coolness maxed out, have a red scarf, and have all the right accessories. and only two or so heart will pop up the judging system really stinks for master ranks. What makes it worse is that your competitors have the wrong accessories and they get way more points

::Well for me it's usually biased in my favour.Either that or I'm just getting lucky. [[User:Agent008]]
:::Sad. I usually phail all my contests. But, hey, maybe it's based on a randomly generated number like in capturing. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:11 3 Jun 2008'''''
:I think that the Master Rank might actually be like that intentionally. Back in Gen III, I had COMPLETELY maxed out whatever condition I was competing in and had the appropriate Scarf equipped, as well as the PERFECT moveset for the contest, yet I never got more than THREE hearts, often not getting any! (it was almost a miracle whenever I won) It's actually EASIER in Gen IV, since you have additional ways to earn the judges' favor, but the competition is still always stacked against you. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I actually go opposite on accesories! I kill the competetion on dance and let the others raise Dexters voltage before I max it out but only on the Master Rank! {{u|Laxafett}} 16:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia (for gen 3) accurate? ==
I had not seen the untranslated (if I am reading this correctly) Poké Ball or contest rankings in the Gen 3 cartridge for Sapphire. Is this in reference to a different specific Gen 3 cart (it appears to refer to non-super contests in Gen 3) or was there a correction issued for the cartridge that addressed this issue? (The cart I own doesn't have any problems with the 100 hour berry issue) [[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 01:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's only in Gen. 3. But they use the Japanese Poké Ball names--i.e., ''Super'' Rank instead of ''Great'' Rank.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== Dress code? ==
Is it worth mentioning that competitors have to wear a suit/dress when entering a Pokemon in a super contest? The games make a point of it, and it's mentioned on the main page's 'Did you know?' (as of 7th May 2008).--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 05:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's mentioned in the [[Contest Pass]] article, so I see no reason not to include it here. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 05:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've added a point to the trivia section. My comments on the anime portrayal are deliberately vague, I haven't seen any episodes past the Orange Islands arc, so if someone wishes to elaborate, then by all means do so.--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 06:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Special Poffin. ==

'''I don't know what article this belongs in.''' There was this guy with blue hair (kinda like a rich-boy) standing in front of the lady at the contest hall desk and when I talked to him he gave me a LV60 Poffin that did '''all 5''' stats and had a smoothness of 40 (1 sheen). I ''think'' it is because I completed Master Rank on all cats. I have done altogether probs about 10 MR Contests... He wasn't there a few days ago... I'm not sure what triggered it though, I'm sure it has ''something'' to do with the MRs. I also just finished making dozens of Poffins with my bro's, could have somthing to do with that... --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 02:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:You mean the Mild Poffin that [[Jordan]] gives you? Check the page I just linked to. He gives you one the first time to talk to him, and then that's it. Nothing special. '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ok then, but he wasn't there till just a lil ago. O_O WAY after I got the Poffin Case... --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 03:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::''Or was he?'' *sinister music* '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 03:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::lol.... Maybe he ''was'' in there but he was ''never'' standing in my way of talking to the lady at the desk. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 03:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pewter City

2009-05-05T16:08:33Z

Laxafett: /* Aerodactyl */ new section

Should a mention be made of anime-only GL Flint?

==Trial Infobox==
I added an infobox here. I can go ahead and add one to all the location articles if anyone thinks it is necessary. If not, it can be reverted. I just thought these pages looked a little bare, and a lot of the information is very systematic and can be taken out of the main article and put in the infobox. I was thinking about making an extra subsection for towns with contests instead of the gym info section...

Comments, suggestions, criticisms?? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 22:56, 16 January 2006 (CST)

== Aerodactyl ==

I thought the level of Aerodactyl in Gen I was level 20 or 30 and in Gen III it was level 5.{{u|Laxafett}}17:08, 5 May 2009

Talk:Elite Four

2009-05-04T16:19:33Z

Laxafett: /* Sinnoh-No dragons */ new section

Where are the sprites of Will and Karen from? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Probably Pie. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::No, they're from Exotorchic (I apologize if I misspelled that). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani490MS.gif]] 01:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Ah. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::But aren't they fake? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::::::Better than the older G/S sprites, I think. Sure it's fake, but it blends in better with the two FR/LG sprites. Besides, the older G/S ones are a little... low on the colors. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 20:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That's true [[User:Yinyang1195|Rahin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Talk]] 21:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait, those sprites are by Coronis. They're from Serebii.net's manga bios section. I hope we have permission to use them... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 21:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see why we're using the FR/LG sprites (and some fan-made ones as well) in the GSC section when we use the game-specific sprites in ''every other trainer class''. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dark - Ghost - Ice - Dragon = Dark beats Ghost, Ghost doesn't beat any type here or is resistant to any, Ice beats Dragon, Dragon does not have a type advantage

Bug - Ground - Fire - Psychic = Bug beats Psychic, Ground beats Fire, Fire beats Bug, Psychic has no advantage.

So technically, if Generation III has a missing link (Ghost and Ice), and considering Generation IV does not have a consistent relationship (i.e. the type before beats the previous or the type after beats next type) and also has a missing link (Psychic)then shouldn't both Generations' Elite Fours' types be considered to have a relationship? They're both pretty loose relationships.

== Needs to be less ambiguous ==

From the article:
*[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire and]] [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] are the only games in the series where only the champion has Pokémon of a different type. Though [[Wallace]] is the champion in Emerald and all his Pokémon are {{t|water}}.
This needs to be made clearer. If by "different type" it means "not one consistent type", then Emerald shouldn't be included, but all of the Kanto and Sinnoh games should. I can't see any meaning of the phrase which would only include the Hoenn games and nothing else. But I'm posting it here before editing in case I've misunderstood. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Lance's Deviation from Dragon-types. ==

In Generation II, Lance has a Charizard (Fire/Flying-type) even though he is a Dragon-type trainer. I added that to the Trivia. [[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 22:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:Due to the lack of X-type Pokemon, the Generation II Elite Four often has Y-type Pokemon with X-type characteristics. See whats-her-face and the Vileplume, and Bruno with half of his. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Sinnoh-No dragons ==

Gible is found in geothermal caves to avoid the cold but Dratini/Dragonair is found in Mt.Coronet in a place that is hardly ventured into. Bagon needs a PokéRadar so it could be found out in the open. I have noticed the cold conditions in Sinnoh such as Route 216 and 217 where it is snowy along with Mt.Coronet's top so the cold is no problem for dragon types. Apart from the dragon trio, these are the only dragons found on mainland Sinnoh(excluding Fight Area, Survival Area and Resort are with each routes connecting them). I think they have a problem with extreme cold like the Ice-type attacks or colder. {{u|Laxafett}} 5:18, 4 May 2009(UTC)

Weather Ball (move)

2009-04-26T16:47:08Z

Laxafett:

{{MoveInfobox|
n=311 |
name=Weather Ball |
jname=ウェザーボール |
jtrans=Weather Ball |
desc=An attack move that varies in power and type depending on the weather. |
gameimage=Weather Ball.JPG |
type={{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|March 21}}) or ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|December 20}})|Ice}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|March 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|June 21}})|Water}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|June 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|September 23}})|Fire}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|September 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|October 21}})|Normal}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|October 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|November 21}})|Rock}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|November 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|December 21}})|???}} |
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=10 |
maxpp=16 |
power={{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|March 21}}) or ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|December 20}})|{{tt|100|50 when Normal}}}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|March 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|June 21}})|{{tt|100|50 when Normal}}}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|June 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|September 23}})|{{tt|100|50 when Normal}}}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|September 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|October 21}})|{{tt|50|100 in other weather}}}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|October 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|November 21}})|{{tt|100|50 when Normal}}}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|November 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|December 21}})|{{tt|100|50 when Normal}}}} |
accuracy=100 |
gen=III |
bdesc=??? |
category=Smart |
appeal=4 |
jam=0 |
cdesc=A highly appealing move. |
appealsc=2 |
scdesc=Earn +2 if the Judge's Voltage goes up. |
pokefordex=weather+ball |
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=any |
footnotes= }}
'''Weather Ball''' (Japanese: '''ウェザーボール''' ''Weather Ball'') is a {{type2|Normal}} move introduced in [[Generation III]]. It is {{p|Castform}}'s [[signature move]], and, like Castform, varies in type depending on the weather. This is reflected by special coding put in place on this page.

==Effect==
When no [[weather conditions|weather condition]] is under effect, Weather Ball deals damage of the {{type2|Normal}}. During any weather condition, Weather Ball attacks with a different type and its base power doubles to 100. The type that Weather Ball is depends on the [[weather conditions]] at the time it is used. It will be:
* {{type2|Fire}} if {{m|Sunny Day}} is under effect.
* {{type2|Water}} if {{m|Rain Dance}} is under effect.
* {{type2|Ice}} if {{m|Hail}} is under effect.
* {{type2|Rock}} if {{m|Sandstorm}} is under effect.
* {{type2|Normal}} if {{DL|weather conditions|Fog}} is under effect or there is no special weather condition in effect.
* [[Shadow moves|Shadow move]] (and therefore [[Unknown type|typeless]]) if {{m|Shadow Sky}} is under effect (in {{Pokémon XD}} only).

Type power-ups from the weather will be put into effect, as well as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] caused by {{p|Castform}}'s type changing from its ability, {{a|Forecast}}.

==In the anime==
<gallery>
Image:Weather Ball Roserade.jpg|[[Gardenia|Gardenia's]] {{p|Roserade}} using '''Weather Ball'''.
Image:Weather Ball Fire Ball.JPG|'''Weather Ball''' as a {{type2|Fire}} [[move]].
Image:Weather Ball Burn.jpg|[[Ash's Turtwig]] being [[Status ailment#Burn|burned]] by '''Weather Ball'''.
</gallery>
===Pokémon===
===={{type2|Fire}} Weather Ball====
'''{{p|Roserade}}'''. A flaming yellow-orange ball forms between Roserade's hands. Roserade then fires it at the opponent. It then heavily [[Status ailment#Burn|burns]] the opponent.
* Used by [[Gardenia]]'s {{p|Roserade}} in ''[[DP037|The Grass Menagerie!]]''.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation III]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|March 21}}) or ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|December 20}})|Ice}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|March 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|June 21}})|Water}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|June 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|September 23}})|Fire}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|September 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|October 21}})|Normal}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|October 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|November 21}})|Rock}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|November 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|December 21}})|???}}}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Normal||30|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

===[[Generation IV]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|March 21}}) or ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|December 20}})|Ice}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|March 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|June 21}})|Water}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|June 20}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|September 23}})|Fire}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|September 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|October 21}})|Normal}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|October 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|November 21}})|Rock}}{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: z}} > {{#time: z|November 22}}) and ({{#time: z}} < {{#time: z|December 21}})|???}}}}
{{Moveentry|351|Castform|1|Normal||30|'''}}
{{Moveentry|407|Roserade|2|Grass|Poison|--}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

==In other languages==
* French: '''Ball'meteo'''
* German: '''Meteorologe'''
* Italian: '''Palla clima'''
* Spanish: '''Meteorobola'''.

{{Project MoveDex notice}}

[[de:Meteorologe]]

[[fr:Ball'Météo]]
[[ja:ウェザーボール]]
[[pt:Weather Ball]]

Talk:Pomeg glitch

2009-04-25T12:27:51Z

Laxafett: /* dp */ new section

Hmm... I personally think this could be cleaned up. Anyone willing to do it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 02:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:Actually I wanted proof first. I don't want all this comotion like the FAKE Glatra glitch[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 02:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

::It's... not like Glatra. Go look up Pomeg Glitch on Youtube and there's probably bucketloads of proof there. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 02:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::So it does exist, and it's a bit popular. It should be cleaned up. I guess I'll try[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 02:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Should we remove the PERFORMING THE GLITCH part?[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 02:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Probably just sum it up, such as 'When a Pokémon has more than 10 HP EVs, get it to 1 HP and use a Pomeg Berry on it' but that's just off the top of my head /: [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 03:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::I FINISHED![[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

If you evolve the egg with the Pomeg Glitch, does it stay evolved when the egg hatches? --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 00:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, a Pokémon will remain evolved when the egg hatches. It even drops back to level 5 while keeping the attacks and evolution form; this is the main reason why the Dragonite handed out at a recent event is actually nothing special. This can also create combinations that would be considered impossibly low without usage of this glitch, such as a level 5 Electivire (raise Elekid egg to level 30 and evolve, Pal Park the ensuing Electabuzz, then trade it while holding the correct item) or a level 6 Magnezone (raise Magnemite egg to level 30 and evolve, Pal Park the ensuing Magneton, then level it up one level in the area of Mt. Coronet). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== looking at an egg's stats ==

While battling with an egg, can you look at its stats, ability, nature, etc. in the menu?
*No you cannot reach it from the menu since it appears the Egg's Pokémon info. [[User:ATEMVEGETA|ATEMVEGETA]] 21:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Eggs ==

Wow, maybe this glitch could be used to determine an Egg's true identity! [[User:SilverCharmeleon|SilverCharmeleon]] 02:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== Can you send them to Pal Park? ==

Can you send a Pomeg'd Pokémon with "?35" HP to Pal Park? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Spriteless}} ([[User talk:Spriteless|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spriteless|contribs]]) ''

== dp ==

i managed to pomeg a lv.47 lapras in pearl successfully, but it says emerald exlusive.{{u|Laxafett}}25 April 2009(UTC)

Talk:Astin

2009-03-04T17:12:50Z

Laxafett: /* Jesse */

==Jesse==
His relationship isn't on the anime timeline and i don't know what to add. {{u|Laxafett}} 4 March 2009, 17:11(UTC)

Talk:Astin

2009-03-04T17:12:24Z

Laxafett: New page: ==Jesse== His relationship isn't on the anime timeline and i don't know what to add. {{u|Laxafett}} 4 March 2009, 17:11

==Jesse==
His relationship isn't on the anime timeline and i don't know what to add. {{u|Laxafett}} 4 March 2009, 17:11

Solar Beam (move)

2009-02-28T16:33:03Z

Laxafett: /* By leveling up */

{{MoveInfobox|
n=76 |
name=SolarBeam |
jname=ソーラービーム |
jtrans=SolarBeam |
desc=A two-turn attack. The user gathers light, then blasts a bundled beam on the second turn. |
gameimage=DPSolarbeam.PNG |
type=Grass |
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=10 |
maxpp=16 |
power=120 |
accuracy=100 |
bdesc=After one turn, a Special attack is used with no additional effects. Sunny weather allows immediate use. |
gen=I |
category=Cool |
appeal=4 |
jam=0 |
cdesc=A highly appealing move. |
appealsc=1 |
scdesc=Earn +3 if no other Pokémon has chosen the same Judge. |
pokefordex=solarbeam |
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
tm1=yes|
tm#1=22|
tm2=yes|
tm#2=22|
tm3=yes|
tm#3=22|
tm4=yes|
tm#4=22|
na=no|
footnotes= }}
'''SolarBeam''' (Japanese: '''ソーラービーム''' ''SolarBeam'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Grass}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation I]].

==Effect==
===Generation I===
SolarBeam does nothing on the turn it is selected, other than state that the user has taken in sunlight. On the following turn, SolarBeam will inflict damage, PP will be deducted from it, and it will count as the last move used. Once SolarBeam is selected, the user will not be able to switch out until it is disrupted or fully executed.

If SolarBeam is not fully executed, PP will not be deducted from it, and it will not count as the last move used. If the target uses {{M|Mirror Move}} during the turn that the user takes in sunlight, Mirror Move will copy the move that the user executed immediately before using SolarBeam (or fail if it can't).

{{status|Sleep}}, {{status|Freeze|freezing}}, partial trapping, and {{status|Flinch|flinching}} will pause but not disrupt the duration of SolarBeam.

In [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Pokémon Stadium]], Mirror Move will copy SolarBeam on either of the turns it takes to execute.

===Generation II===
SolarBeam will not need a turn to charge if used during the effects of the move {{m|Sunny Day}}, and will only deal half of its normal damage if used during the effect of the move {{m|Rain Dance}} or {{m|Sandstorm}}.

===Generation III===
SolarBeam will not need a turn to charge if used during the effects of the move Sunny Day and will only do half its normal damage if used during the effect of the move Rain Dance, Sandstorm, or {{m|Hail}}.

===Generation IV===
The held item [[In-battle effect item#Power Herb|Power Herb]] can allow its holder to charge and fire a SolarBeam in one turn. The Power Herb is consumed in the process. Otherwise, SolarBeam functions the same as Generation III.

===[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
{{p|Ivysaur}} uses SolarBeam as part of Pokémon Trainer's Final Smash; [[Final Smash#Triple Finish|Triple Finish]].

==In the anime==
<gallery perrow=2>
Image:BulbasaurSolarBeam.JPG|{{AP|Bulbasaur}} using '''SolarBeam'''.
Image:Venusaursolarbeam2.jpg|[[Spenser's Venusaur]] releasing the '''SolarBeam'''.
Image:Sceptile Solarbeam.jpg|Sceptile using '''SolarBeam'''.
Image:MunchlaxSolarbeam.JPG|{{TP|May|Munchlax}} using '''SolarBeam'''.
</gallery>

===Pokémon===
'''{{p|Bulbasaur}}'''. Bulbasaur gathers light in its bulb, then fires it.
* Used by [[Ash's Bulbasaur]] from ''[[EP051|Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden]]'' to present.
'''{{p|Meganium}}'''. Meganium's neck flower glows white, then it fires the SolarBeam.
* Used by [[Vincent's Meganium]] in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]''.
'''{{p|Delcatty}}''': Its tail's tip glows white, then it fires the beam of light.
* Used by [[Dr. Abby]]'s Delcatty in [[AG060|''Delcatty Got Your Tongue'']].
'''{{p|Solrock}}'''. As many of its attacks, Solarbeam is created in its top rock, which turns white as it gathers solar energy. It fires the beam from a ball of light in front of the rock.
* Used by a {{Pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Solrock}} in ''[[AG063|Take the Lombre Home!]]''.
'''{{p|Munchlax}}'''. Munchlax gathers sunlight in its mouth, then fires the beam to the target.
* Used by [[May's Munchlax]] from ''[[AG134|A Real Cleffa-Hanger]]'' to ???.
'''{{p|Vileplume}}'''. A white beam is fired from the hole in Vileplume's flower on its head.
* Used by Nicolette's {{p|Vileplume}} in ''[[AG150|May's Egg-Cellent Adventure]]''.
'''{{p|Venusaur}}''': The inside of the flower on Venusaur's back glow white, then Venusaur fires the beam from it.
* Used by [[Spenser's Venusaur]] in ''[[AG164|Ka Boom with a View]]''.
'''{{p|Sceptile}}''': The seeds on Sceptile's back glow white, then Sceptile fires the beam from its mouth.
* Used by [[Ash's Sceptile]] from ''[[AG164|Ka Boom with a View]]'' to ???.
'''{{p|Budew}}'''. Budew opens up the tops of its bud and then white ball of light is created between them. It then fires the attack.
* Used by [[Nando's Roselia|Nando's Budew]] in ''[[DP004|Dawn of a New Era]]''.
'''{{p|Roselia}}'''. Roselia sticks its hands up and the flowers on them collect energy. It then puts the flowers together and fires the attack.
* Used by [[Nando's Roselia]] in ''[[DP004|Dawn of a New Era]]''.
'''{{p|Beautifly}}'''. Beautifly's wings glow white. It then propels its wings forward and releases the attack.
* Used by [[Aaron's Beautifly]] in ''[[DP099]]''.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation I]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Grass}}
{{Moveentry|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|48|'''}}
{{Moveentry|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|54|'''}}
{{Moveentry|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|65|'''}}
{{Moveentry|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison|46|'''}}
{{Moveentry|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison|52|'''}}
{{Moveentry|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|42|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM22]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|046|Paras|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|047|Parasect|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|048|Venonat|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|049|Venomoth|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|114|Tangela|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|131|Lapras|2|Water|Ice|}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
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===[[Generation II]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Grass}}
{{Moveentry|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|46|'''}}
{{Moveentry|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|56|'''}}
{{Moveentry|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|65|'''}}
{{Moveentry|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|42|'''}}
{{Moveentry|152|Chikorita|1|Grass||50|'''}}
{{Moveentry|153|Bayleef|1|Grass||55|'''}}
{{Moveentry|153|Meganium|1|Grass||61|'''}}
{{Moveentry|182|Bellossom|1|Grass||55|'''}}
{{Moveentry|192|Sunflora|1|Grass||46|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM22]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|046|Paras|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|047|Parasect|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|048|Venonat|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|049|Venomoth|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|114|Tangela|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|152|Chikorita|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|153|Bayleef|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|154|Meganium|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|173|Cleffa|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|174|Igglybuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|175|Togepi|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|176|Togetic|1|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|177|Natu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|178|Xatu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|182|Bellossom|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|187|Hoppip|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|188|Skiploom|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|189|Jumpluff|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|191|Sunkern|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|192|Sunflora|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|193|Yanma|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|204|Pineco|1|Bug||}}
{{Moveentrytm|205|Forretress|1|Bug|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|206|Dunsparce|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|241|Miltank|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|242|Blissey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|244|Entei|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|250|Ho-Oh|2|Fire|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|251|Celebi|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
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===[[Generation III]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Grass}}
{{Moveentry|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|46|'''}}
{{Moveentry|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|56|'''}}
{{Moveentry|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|65|'''}}
{{Moveentry|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|42|'''}}
{{Moveentry|152|Chikorita|1|Grass||50|'''}}
{{Moveentry|153|Bayleef|1|Grass||55|'''}}
{{Moveentry|153|Meganium|1|Grass||61|'''}}
{{Moveentry|182|Bellossom|1|Grass||55|'''}}
{{Moveentry|192|Sunflora|1|Grass||42|'''}}
{{Moveentry|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|42|}}
{{Moveentry|357|Tropius|2|Grass|Flying|41|'''}}
{{Moveentry|383|Groudon|1|Ground||65|}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM22]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|046|Paras|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|047|Parasect|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|048|Venonat|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|049|Venomoth|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|084|Doduo|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|085|Dodrio|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|077|Ponyta|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|078|Rapidash|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|108|Lickitung|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|114|Tangela|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|128|Tauros|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|137|Porygon|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|152|Chikorita|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|153|Bayleef|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|154|Meganium|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|161|Sentret|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|162|Furret|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|173|Cleffa|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|174|Igglybuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|175|Togepi|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|176|Togetic|1|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|177|Natu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|178|Xatu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|182|Bellossom|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|187|Hoppip|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|188|Skiploom|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|189|Jumpluff|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|190|Aipom|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|191|Sunkern|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|192|Sunflora|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|193|Yanma|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|204|Pineco|1|Bug||}}
{{Moveentrytm|205|Forretress|1|Bug|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|206|Dunsparce|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|209|Snubbull|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|210|Granbull|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|233|Porygon2|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|234|Stantler|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|241|Miltank|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|242|Blissey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|244|Entei|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|250|Ho-Oh|2|Fire|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|251|Celebi|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|252|Treecko|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|253|Grovyle|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|254|Sceptile|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|267|Beautifly|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|269|Dustox|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|270|Lotad|2|Water|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|271|Lombre|2|Water|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|272|Ludicolo|2|Water|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|273|Seedot|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|274|Nuzleaf|2|Grass|Dark|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|275|Shiftry|2|Grass|Dark|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|283|Surskit|2|Bug|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|284|Masquerain|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|285|Shroomish|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|286|Breloom|2|Grass|Fighting|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|287|Slakoth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|288|Vigoroth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|289|Slaking|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|290|Nincada|2|Bug|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|291|Ninjask|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|292|Shedinja|2|Bug|Ghost|}}
{{Moveentrytm|293|Whismur|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|294|Loudred|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|295|Exploud|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|300|Skitty|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|301|Delcatty|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|1|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|306|Aggron|2|Steel|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|313|Volbeat|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|314|Illumise|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|315|Roselia|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|316|Gulpin|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|317|Swalot|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|328|Trapinch|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|329|Vibrava|2|Ground|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|330|Flygon|2|Ground|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|331|Cacnea|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|332|Cacturne|2|Grass|Dark|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|333|Swablu|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|334|Altaria|2|Dragon|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|335|Zangoose|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|337|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|345|Lileep|2|Rock|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|346|Cradily|2|Rock|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|351|Castform|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|352|Kecleon|1|Normal||''}}
{{Moveentrytm|357|Tropius|2|Grass|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|}}
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===[[Generation IV]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Grass}}
{{Moveentry|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|44|'''}}
{{Moveentry|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|53|'''}}
{{Moveentry|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison|65|'''}}
{{Moveentry|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|43|'''}}
{{Moveentry|152|Chikorita|1|Grass||45|'''}}
{{Moveentry|153|Bayleef|1|Grass||54|'''}}
{{Moveentry|154|Meganium|1|Grass||66|'''}}
{{Moveentry|192|Sunflora|1|Grass||42|'''}}
{{Moveentry|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|43|}}
{{Moveentry|357|Tropius|2|Grass|Flying|51|'''}}
{{Moveentry|383|Groudon|1|Ground||65|}}
{{Moveentry|420|Cherubi|1|Grass||37|'''}}
{{Moveentry|421|Cherrim|1|Grass||43|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM22]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|006|Charizard|2|Fire|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|035|Clefairy|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|036|Clefable|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|039|Jigglypuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|040|Wigglytuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|046|Paras|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|047|Parasect|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|048|Venonat|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|049|Venomoth|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|077|Ponyta|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|078|Rapidash|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|102|Exeggcute|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|103|Exeggutor|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|108|Lickitung|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|113|Chansey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|114|Tangela|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|122|Mr. Mime|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|128|Tauros|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|137|Porygon|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|143|Snorlax|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|152|Chikorita|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|153|Bayleef|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|154|Meganium|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|157|Typhlosion|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|161|Sentret|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|162|Furret|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|173|Cleffa|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|174|Igglybuff|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|175|Togepi|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|176|Togetic|1|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|177|Natu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|178|Xatu|2|Psychic|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|182|Bellossom|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|187|Hoppip|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|188|Skiploom|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|189|Jumpluff|1|Grass|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|190|Aipom|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|191|Sunkern|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|192|Sunflora|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|193|Yanma|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|204|Pineco|1|Bug||}}
{{Moveentrytm|205|Forretress|1|Bug|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|206|Dunsparce|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|209|Snubbull|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|210|Granbull|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|219|Magcargo|2|Fire|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|233|Porygon2|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|234|Stantler|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|241|Miltank|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|242|Blissey|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|244|Entei|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|250|Ho-Oh|2|Fire|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|251|Celebi|2|Grass|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|252|Treecko|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|253|Grovyle|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|254|Sceptile|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|257|Blaziken|2|Fire|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|267|Beautifly|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|269|Dustox|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|270|Lotad|2|Water|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|271|Lombre|2|Water|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|272|Ludicolo|2|Water|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|273|Seedot|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|274|Nuzleaf|2|Grass|Dark|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|275|Shiftry|2|Grass|Dark|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|283|Surskit|2|Bug|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|284|Masquerain|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|285|Shroomish|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|286|Breloom|2|Grass|Fighting|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|287|Slakoth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|288|Vigoroth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|289|Slaking|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|290|Nincada|2|Bug|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|291|Ninjask|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|292|Shedinja|2|Bug|Ghost|}}
{{Moveentrytm|293|Whismur|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|294|Loudred|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|295|Exploud|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|300|Skitty|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|301|Delcatty|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|1|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|306|Aggron|2|Steel|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|313|Volbeat|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|314|Illumise|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|315|Roselia|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|316|Gulpin|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|317|Swalot|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|323|Camerupt|2|Fire|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|324|Torkoal|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|328|Trapinch|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|329|Vibrava|2|Ground|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|330|Flygon|2|Ground|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|331|Cacnea|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|332|Cacturne|2|Grass|Dark|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|333|Swablu|2|Normal|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|334|Altaria|2|Dragon|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|335|Zangoose|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|337|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|345|Lileep|2|Rock|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|346|Cradily|2|Rock|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|351|Castform|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|352|Kecleon|1|Normal||''}}
{{Moveentrytm|357|Tropius|2|Grass|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|387|Turtwig|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|388|Grotle|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|389|Torterra|2|Grass|Ground|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|392|Infernape|2|Fire|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|406|Budew|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|407|Roserade|2|Grass|Poison|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|413|Wormadam|2|Bug|Grass|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|414|Mothim|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|420|Cherubi|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|421|Cherrim|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|427|Buneary|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|428|Lopunny|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|436|Bronzor|1|Psychic|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|437|Bronzong|1|Psychic|Steel|}}
{{Moveentrytm|439|Mime Jr.|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|440|Happiny|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|446|Munchlax|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|455|Carnivine|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|459|Snover|2|Grass|Ice|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|460|Abomasnow|2|Grass|Ice|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|463|Lickilicky|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|465|Tangrowth|1|Grass||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|467|Magmortar|1|Fire|}}
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==In other languages==
* French: '''Lance-Soleil'''
* German: '''Solarstrahl'''
* Italian: '''Solarraggio'''
* Spanish: '''Rayo Solar'''
* Brazilian Portuguese: '''Raio Solar'''

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Talk:Pokémon Coordinator

2009-02-26T17:27:20Z

Laxafett: /* Games? */ new section

==Solidad's Resumé==
Shouldn't Solidad be added as having competed in Hoenn? She defeated Drew in his first contest, and he's from LaRousse, which is in Hoenn. I mean, other coordinators are listed as having competed in other regions.
:It's certainly likely but not actually stated. I put the line between that and the fact that we know she is currently in Johto. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

== Capital or lowercase? ==

Should it be coordinator, or Coordinator? After all, it's [[Pokémon Trainer]], rather than trainer. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:Very good question. I was actually wondering about that when I was creating the [[Joshua (Coordinator)]] and [[Anthony (Coordinator)]] articles. I personally always put it in caps. How ''did'' Trainer end up getting capitalized when this didn't? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 23:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::I think it might be because there's a [[Pokémon Trainer|[PK][MN] Trainer]] trainer class in the games but no [[Pokémon coordinator|Pokémon Coordinator]] trainer class. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::That'd be hitting the nail on the head. Formerly, we didn't capitalize trainer classes because they weren't proper nouns and the games just put everything in caps anyway, giving us no model. But DP came out and started capitalizing things like Pokémon Trainer and Pokémon Breeder, so I moved them accordingly. Ones like Pokémon Coordinator sort of fell through the cracks. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 06:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:I saw the word "coordinator" in Diamond. At least one NPC from Hearthome City uses it, and it's in lowercase. But Shiningpikablu252's theory makes sense. "Pokémon Coordinator" would be capitalized if it were a character class. It is a kind of character class in other canons. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:After thinking hard, I notice the word "Trainer" isn't capitalized only when you face a character in a Pokémon battle, but also when random text from the game mentions Trainers. So it seems that capitalizing "Coordinator" is just a matter of agreement. My suggestion at this point is try to find some text from Pokémon.com that talks about the coordinators from the anime. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Found! Go [http://www.pokemon.com/#tvmovies_823 here]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

==Shouldn't Marina be amongst the notable Coordinators?==
Marina is heavily featured in media during the DP story arc; she's a role model for Zoey, and is a notable character of the anime in general for being both in Legend of Thunder and being the anime version of Crystal. However, her achievements are, as far as I known, unknown. But if Haruka from Chamo-Chamo Pretty is considered notable, than Marina should be as well. Thus, I am adding Marina into the notable chart. If someone has information on her actual achievements as a coordinator, I behoove him or her to add them in. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 15:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
==May==
Could we also say that May is a coordinator from Sinnoh because she had participated in the Sinnoh Wallace Cup.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. The ribbon could be used in any region and besides, May wasn't aiming to get into the Sinnoh Grand Festival, but the Johto one. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Games? ==

May I add that the term Coordinator has been used in DP by a girl in the appartments in Hearthome.She says she wants to be one when she grows up.{{u|Laxafett}} 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Super Contest

2009-02-26T16:45:26Z

Laxafett: /* Fairness */

Since this is pure copyvio from Serebii.net, does someone with an American D/P want to have a go at rewriting it from scratch? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Pie. ^_^
:Question: Does the game refer to this as a 'Pokémon Super Contest' or just 'Super Contest'? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::Both are used: "Welcome to the Contest Hall. I can help you with registering for a Super Contest." "There are four different ranks to the Pokémon Super Contests." - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

While I was doing a Master ranked contest, I ran into a girl by the name of Casey. She looked like the woman at the counters out front. She used a Chansey by the name of pinky. I was just wondering if she was an important character.

She also looks the same as the nurse at the Pokemon Center, which makes more sense since she uses Chansey. I thin k she should be added to the list. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 03:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

== Fairness ==

Is the Master Rank Visual Competition rigged? I have NEVER gotten over four hearts, and I have a considerable amount of appropriate poffins used, and I follow a theme guide I found on GameFAQS. I used to get around 9 on lower levels.[[User:Inker|Inker]] 00:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yea I know, all have Coolness maxed out, have a red scarf, and have all the right accessories. and only two or so heart will pop up the judging system really stinks for master ranks. What makes it worse is that your competitors have the wrong accessories and they get way more points

::Well for me it's usually biased in my favour.Either that or I'm just getting lucky. [[User:Agent008]]
:::Sad. I usually phail all my contests. But, hey, maybe it's based on a randomly generated number like in capturing. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:11 3 Jun 2008'''''
:I think that the Master Rank might actually be like that intentionally. Back in Gen III, I had COMPLETELY maxed out whatever condition I was competing in and had the appropriate Scarf equipped, as well as the PERFECT moveset for the contest, yet I never got more than THREE hearts, often not getting any! (it was almost a miracle whenever I won) It's actually EASIER in Gen IV, since you have additional ways to earn the judges' favor, but the competition is still always stacked against you. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I actually go opposite on accesories! I kill the competetion on dance and let the others raise Dexters voltage before I max it out but only on the Master Rank! {{u|Laxafett}} 16:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia (for gen 3) accurate? ==
I had not seen the untranslated (if I am reading this correctly) Poké Ball or contest rankings in the Gen 3 cartridge for Sapphire. Is this in reference to a different specific Gen 3 cart (it appears to refer to non-super contests in Gen 3) or was there a correction issued for the cartridge that addressed this issue? (The cart I own doesn't have any problems with the 100 hour berry issue) [[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 01:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's only in Gen. 3. But they use the Japanese Poké Ball names--i.e., ''Super'' Rank instead of ''Great'' Rank.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== Dress code? ==
Is it worth mentioning that competitors have to wear a suit/dress when entering a Pokemon in a super contest? The games make a point of it, and it's mentioned on the main page's 'Did you know?' (as of 7th May 2008).--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 05:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's mentioned in the [[Contest Pass]] article, so I see no reason not to include it here. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 05:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've added a point to the trivia section. My comments on the anime portrayal are deliberately vague, I haven't seen any episodes past the Orange Islands arc, so if someone wishes to elaborate, then by all means do so.--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 06:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Special Poffin. ==

'''I don't know what article this belongs in.''' There was this guy with blue hair (kinda like a rich-boy) standing in front of the lady at the contest hall desk and when I talked to him he gave me a LV60 Poffin that did '''all 5''' stats and had a smoothness of 40 (1 sheen). I ''think'' it is because I completed Master Rank on all cats. I have done altogether probs about 10 MR Contests... He wasn't there a few days ago... I'm not sure what triggered it though, I'm sure it has ''something'' to do with the MRs. I also just finished making dozens of Poffins with my bro's, could have somthing to do with that... --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 02:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:You mean the Mild Poffin that [[Jordan]] gives you? Check the page I just linked to. He gives you one the first time to talk to him, and then that's it. Nothing special. '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ok then, but he wasn't there till just a lil ago. O_O WAY after I got the Poffin Case... --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 03:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::''Or was he?'' *sinister music* '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 03:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::lol.... Maybe he ''was'' in there but he was ''never'' standing in my way of talking to the lady at the desk. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 03:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Laxafett

2009-02-24T20:07:49Z

Laxafett:

== User:Laxafett ==
Its just me. Only me.And my Dodrio.Dodrios?No Dodrio is in my opinion a plural in its own self.[[Image:Spr_4d_085_f.png]]
Mad about Dodrio.[[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]]
==Pokémon==
This listing is of my Pokémon team as of 5th January 2009:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}}
| align=center | [[Image:398.png]] {{p|Staraptor}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_149.png]] {{p|Dragonite}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]] {{p|Dodrio}}
|}

You may say on the 4th how can I guess it a day early.
My team of 21st January.
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_231.png]] {{p|Phanpy}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_361.png]] {{p|Snorunt}}
| align=center | [[Image:398.png]] {{p|Staraptor}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_344.png]] {{p|Claydol}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_474.png]] {{p|PorygonZ}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4d_058.png]] {{p|Growlithe}}
|}
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}}
| align=center | [[Image:398.png]] {{p|Staraptor}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4d_491.png]] {{p|Darkrai}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4d_025_f.png]] {{p|Pikachu}}
|}

I say I'm a {{OBP|Psychic|trainer class}}
Dodrio aren't Psychic.
[[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_f.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]]
[[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_m.png]]
[[Image:Spr_4d_084_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_m.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_m.png]]
[[Image:Spr_4d_085_f.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_f.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_f.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_085_f.png]]
[[Image:Spr_4d_084_f.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_f.png]][[Image:Spr_4d_084_f.png]]

==F.E.A.R.==
Fear is a good use in the Battle tower for D/P which is basically 1/3 of my team I use.
==Mental Pictures==
[[image:mightyena(extra).jpg|thumb|left]]Would this be a better picture for Mightyena.
[[image:dialgashadows.jpg]][[image:palkiashadows.jpg]]
=My top Pokemon is a Staraptor=
[[image:art-Mukuhawk.png|thumb|right]][[image:277Swellow.png|thumb|center]][[image:018Pidgeot.png|thumb|left]][[image:164Noctowl.png|thumb]]
It looks cooler than Swellow, Pidgeot and Noctowl.
::::National birds cool anyway.
=Dragon trio=
[[Image:Dragontrio.PNG]]
I like how they all have the similar moveset
[[image:MewtwosOriginVenusaurClone.PNG]][[image:MewtwosOriginCharizardClone.PNG]][[image:MewtwosOriginBlastoiseClone.PNG]]
==Aloo==
My fave Pokémon now are: [[image:Spr_4d_038.png]][[image:Spr_4d_059.png]][[image:Spr_4d_446.png]]
==Ribbons==
My fave ribbons are:
[[image:RibbonEffort.png]][[image:RibbonPurified.png]][[image:SinnohCool.png]][[image:SinnohBeauty.png]][[image:SinnohCute.png]][[image:SinnohSmart.png]][[image:SinnohTough.png]][[image:Julias_Ribbons.png]][[image:RibbonsResort.png]][[image:RibbonFootprint.png]][[Image:RibbonsTowerSinnoh.png]][[Image:RibbonClassic.png]]

User:Laxafett

2009-02-07T20:21:25Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-25T20:22:02Z

Laxafett:

Talk:Old Chateau

2009-01-25T20:16:20Z

Laxafett: /* Creepy */

==Insect Plate==
Outside the Chateau, is there also a hidden Insect Plate? [[Image:Ani413MS.gif]][[User:Agggron|Agggron]] ([[User_talk:Agggron|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Agggron|Edits]])[[Image:Ani412MS.gif]]

:yes, it is hidden in the wall behind the Old Chateau on the right of it. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 22:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::But does that area count as the Chateau or the [[Eterna Forest]]? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Eterna Forest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Creepy==
OK i was on pearl last night and defeated rotom and then i started to walk around. second room on right, didn't see eyes(i didn't look that hard, so there could've been eyes, not sure.) and i saw a girl in the farthest right room and then she walked out. didn't see her again after i tried. and then in the dining place there was a guy who's outside-of-battle sprite look like the move deleter and then he floated into a wall and disapeared before i could move!!!!!! i was scared aven though i knew it was just a game. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST FREAKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''UkiraGrace''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 13:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:It ''is'' a haunted mansion after all. But congratulations, I have yet to encounter the ghosts.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw both the girl AND the butler. Indeed, they are ghosts...[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 18:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I saw the girl, can't remember the Butler [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 18:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You have to check out the statue before entering the dining room. That's how you'll meet the butler.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 18:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo should have made them semitransparent.'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 18:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:I've never seen the buttler, and I've checked the statue =S. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::Try going in and out of the room.{{u|Laxafett}} 20:14, 25 January 2009(UTC)

== Rotom ==
Do you need the National Dex to be able to fight it? I've gone there every night and it doesn't appear. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, National Dex is required. It does say that in the article, I think... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:: I saw many things sayign different, so I got confused. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 10:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, this raises a good question. Is the NatDex required in Pt? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Old Chateau

2009-01-25T20:15:20Z

Laxafett: /* Creepy */

==Insect Plate==
Outside the Chateau, is there also a hidden Insect Plate? [[Image:Ani413MS.gif]][[User:Agggron|Agggron]] ([[User_talk:Agggron|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Agggron|Edits]])[[Image:Ani412MS.gif]]

:yes, it is hidden in the wall behind the Old Chateau on the right of it. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 22:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::But does that area count as the Chateau or the [[Eterna Forest]]? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Eterna Forest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Creepy==
OK i was on pearl last night and defeated rotom and then i started to walk around. second room on right, didn't see eyes(i didn't look that hard, so there could've been eyes, not sure.) and i saw a girl in the farthest right room and then she walked out. didn't see her again after i tried. and then in the dining place there was a guy who's outside-of-battle sprite look like the move deleter and then he floated into a wall and disapeared before i could move!!!!!! i was scared aven though i knew it was just a game. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST FREAKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''UkiraGrace''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 13:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:It ''is'' a haunted mansion after all. But congratulations, I have yet to encounter the ghosts.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw both the girl AND the butler. Indeed, they are ghosts...[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 18:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I saw the girl, can't remember the Butler [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 18:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You have to check out the statue before entering the dining room. That's how you'll meet the butler.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 18:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo should have made them semitransparent.'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 18:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:I've never seen the buttler, and I've checked the statue =S. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::Try going in and out of the room.[[user:Laxafett]] 20:14, 25 January 2009(UTC)

== Rotom ==
Do you need the National Dex to be able to fight it? I've gone there every night and it doesn't appear. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, National Dex is required. It does say that in the article, I think... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:: I saw many things sayign different, so I got confused. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 10:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, this raises a good question. Is the NatDex required in Pt? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Laxafett

2009-01-25T19:16:01Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-23T19:07:44Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-21T20:06:46Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-21T20:06:19Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-21T11:04:26Z

Laxafett: /* Pokémon */

User:Laxafett

2009-01-14T10:25:52Z

Laxafett: /* F.E.A.R. */

Talk:Swinub (Pokémon)

2009-01-10T18:58:43Z

Laxafett: /* F.E.A.R. */ new section

This Pokemon was used as an "Extreme Peggy" in a flash animation by The Clock Crew in their "Channel Surfing". [[User:RocketM|RocketM]] 15:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Image for Swinub on the evolutionary line is BAD. Can someone fix that? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 22:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Icy Wind ==
Serebbi said it can't be totored it in Platinum, but that doesn't make sense. Can anybody check this out?{{unsigned|Gorebyss}}

== F.E.A.R. ==

Couldn't Swinub be used as F.E.A.R in Platinum.{{u|Laxafett}} 10 January 2009, 18:58 (UTC)

Talk:Doduo (Pokémon)

2009-01-10T18:54:13Z

Laxafett: /* Trivia */ new section

== Concerning the wings ==

I do believe that Doduo has small wings, as mentioned in it's Yellow Pokedéx entry. While we haver never seen them for ourselves, they still undoubtedly exist. [[User:Proto Fan|Proto Fan]] 12:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== Why Doduo can fly ==
I Remember an episode of the anime where Brock said that Doduo can jump really high, so that's why they know fly. °[[User:Mr.lol|Deani-Deani]]

== Trivia ==

Shouldn't it also mention its Blue,Red and green footprint as having 3 toes rather than 4.{{u|Laxafett}} 10 January 2009, 18:54(UTC)

Talk:Dodrio (Pokémon)

2009-01-08T20:21:45Z

Laxafett: /* Ranger */

==Ranger==
The ranger episode shows the Dodrio larger than they are shown before!{{u|Laxafett}} 8 January 2009, 20:20(UTC)

Talk:Dodrio (Pokémon)

2009-01-08T20:21:23Z

Laxafett: New page: ==Ranger== The ranger episode shows the Dodrio larger than they are shown before!{u|Laxafett}} 8 January 2009, 20:20(UTC)

==Ranger==
The ranger episode shows the Dodrio larger than they are shown before!{u|Laxafett}} 8 January 2009, 20:20(UTC)

User:Laxafett

2009-01-08T20:17:31Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-04T18:23:03Z

Laxafett:

User:Laxafett

2009-01-04T18:12:14Z

Laxafett: /* Pokémon */

== User:Laxafett ==
Its just me. Only me
==Pokémon==
This listing is of my Pokémon team as of 5th January 2009:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}}
| align=center | [[Image:398.png]] {{p|Staraptor}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_149.png]] {{p|Dragonite}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4d_085_m.png]] {{p|Dodrio}}
|}
You may say on the 4th how can I guess it a day early.
I say I'm a {{OBP|Psychic|trainer class}}

User:Laxafett

2009-01-03T18:09:38Z

Laxafett: /* Pokémon */

== User:Laxafett ==
Its just me. Only me
==Pokémon==
This listing is of my Pokémon team:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}}
| align=center | [[Image:398.png]] {{p|Staraptor}}
| align=center | [[Image:Spr_4p_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
|}

User:Laxafett

2009-01-03T18:08:49Z

Laxafett: /* Pokémon */

User:Laxafett

2009-01-03T18:05:47Z

Laxafett: /* Pokémon */