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==thank you==
Thank you for the kind greetings. I came and joined this wiki comunity to help with the "Pokemon + Nobunagas Ambition" game. I am a huge fan of KOEI and their games, and while i dont know much about pokemon outside the cartoons, i thought i could help by proving information regarding the human characters in the upcoming crossover game

I hope i can be of service [[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] 07:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

==I have a question==
First of all thank you for the nice greeting, I apreciate it.
Also I noticed that on your page it said your favorite Pokemon was Evee. I would like to add my favorite Pokemon (Chandelure) to my page, how can I do that?
[[User:Chandelure1166|Carson]] 07:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:You're welcome! Do you mean the little tag on my page? First you have to make some edits to the mainspace, so you can gain the ability to create and edit your userpage. Don't ask me how many, I don't know. Once you can do that, add <code><nowiki>{{Template:User Favorite|609|Chandelure}}</nowiki></code> to your page. For more information, look {{bp|Usertag|here}}. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 07:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

==Thank you==
Yes, the tag is very nice, and thanks for letting me know!
[[User:Chandelure1166|Carson]] 07:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

==I can't find the mainspace==
Sorry if I am bothering you, but I am new to Bulbapedia. Is there a link somwhere?
[[User:Chandelure1166|Carson]] 08:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:You're not bothering me at all. "Mainspace" refers to most Bulbapedia pages that don't start with "talk:" or "user:". For example, the edit you made to {{p|Axew}}'s article counts as a mainspace edit. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 08:08, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
==it still will not let me edit my userpage==
By the way I'm glad i'm not bothering you, I don't like to do that to people
[[User:Chandelure1166|Carson]] 08:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:You'll need to make several mainspace edits before you are able to edit your userpage. I don't know the exact number, but it is several. By the way, you don't need to create a new header every time you add to a talkpage. You can just click the "edit" button next to the header where the conversation started. You really only need to make a new header when starting a new conversation. {{unsigned|Crystal Talian}}
:Thanks, I will go make some edits now.
Also I was making a new header every time becuase I didn't know how to reply at that time
[[User:Chandelure1166|Chandelure1166]] 08:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::No problem! And I figured it was something like that. I was just letting you know. =3 [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 08:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

==Can you help me?==
Hello Crystal! I don't know If you remember me cause I joined maybe four months ago or longer but I was one of the users you welcomed. Since bulbapedia is so big and I'm a sotr of new user, I'm not exactly sure what to edit (I actually joined just to help with the tyrouge page due to the fact where tyrouge was wasn't completely said). So I was sort of wondering if you possibly have a simple easy task I could do to help out the wiki?
--[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] 23:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

==Just one last question==
Hello, Crystal! Thanks for the suggestion of what to do. I just have one last question: for the trainer classes would it be possible to put a appearance section? I mostly noticed appearance is basically only used for pokemon and not for the human characters but I looked at another stub for a trainer class and it listed a appearance for both characters but it was in the section where game information was usually located. Well thanks for your help, bye!

== Urgent ==

Hello Crystal Talian, please check your e-mail{{tt|*|the one which you used to register on Bulbapedia}} as soon as possible, awaiting for your reply. Thank you. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 10:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

== Signature move ==

Where is the problem? KyleRGiggs 09:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
:Wait until Force Fire replies to your question before reverting him. However, I believe the problem is that this is a move tutor move. It wasn't that only Blastoise could learn, but that the tutor refused to teach it to anyone else. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
::I am not reverting him actually, please check what I revert. KyleRGiggs 09:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Hitting "undo" is reverting. I did check before I said anything. However, the issue appears to have been resolved now. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

== Using templates ==

Instead of copying the code of the template Protect, simply write the template as such: <nowiki>{{Protect}}</nowiki>. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:I thought I did? I didn't copy the code, at least. I wasn't sure what the what the template code was, so I mimicked the way you call a welcome template. I guess the "subst" was unnecessary. Ah, well. Noted. Thank you. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
::Subst is only used for Welcome  template. :) All other templates do not use subst. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Got it. I'll be sure to remember for next time. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Sorry to butt in but, subst is usually used for message templates like <nowiki>{{subst:Userspace warning}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{subst:Preview button}}</nowiki>, not just for <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. I beleive that subst is what signs those automatic message templates for you. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I mentioned that. It's hidden, haha, but yeah, what Pokemaster97 said is true. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Derp, I didn't notice the hidden part sorry XD '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Then Let's Bring it Up With Staff ==

To the uneducated reader who knows nothing about Pokémon and is trying to decide which game to buy as their first, such entries as the one I attempted to correct can be very misleading. Anyone looking at the Butterfree or Metapod articles can easily see at the top of the article that it evolves from Caterpie, but cannot catch it in Black; however, the text in cases like Metapod suggests that a player who wants a Butterfree HAS to play White, and cannot trade the Pokémon from Black, thus requiring a player who wants to catch Reshiram (that was my deciding factor, I wanted the white legendary) to purchase White instead. This is completely misleading to an uneducated reader, and it is wrong to assume that everyone will understand that you can still evolve it in Black. After all, clicking a Caterpie link from Metapod's page already shows you can only catch Caterpie in White.

This is a task I'm willing to undertake myself as well, I'm just trying to establish a correct precedent. The existing one is entirely flawed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:I understand your concern, and I agree that it is a good point. The next time I have the chance to talk with staff, I will bring up your point, and we will let you know when a decision is made on the subject. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 01:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

::Fair enough. Give me a heads-up on my talk page when that occurs; I constantly refer back to things here more often than anywhere else, so I'll see it. Let the staff know I'm willing to take this on myself as well, and if I do make an odd mistake somewhere, they're welcome to clean up after me where necessary. Hopefully that won't happen very often. =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
== thanks for the warm welcome ==
i wanted to thank you for welcoming me and i was wondering how to put those "this user ----" on my page and where to find them [[User:Maggiedroid|Maggiedroid]] ([[User talk:Maggiedroid|talk]]) 04:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:First, you're welcome. =3 And do you mean the usertags? Well, first you need to do some editing so you can start your own userpage. Don't ask me how many edits you need to do, it's a hidden number. Anyway, once you do that, you can look {{bp|Usertag|here}} for information on usertags. Have fun! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== Name Translations ==

Hey Crystal Talian, I just saw your message and I just wanted to say, first, sorry about that, I'm not fluent in Japanese, and I was looking for something to edit, and I thought that I could do that by translating something from English to Japanese; second, that I didn't really know how the translations worked, which is why I translated the English names back into Japanese; and third, I don't own a Japanese copy of a Hoenn-based game (As I live in the US, and it's realtively hard to get one in and around where I live).The next time I edit a page on Bulbapedia, and any other site for that matter, I'll make sure I know what I'm doing before I start editing. I'll also make sure that the next I edit a page on the site, I'll make sure it will be not only tested personally, but also that it follows the conduct of Bulbapedia and that if it deals with another language that I'm not fluent in, I promise that I won't translate on this site until one of the following is true:
A) I'm fluent in that language (I'm currently fluent in only English, but I'm working on becoming fluent in German)
B) I use an offical site to translate (i.e. a govt. website)
or
C) If I'm thinking about editing, one of the above is true

I'll become fluent in any language, if needed. I am actually thinking about becoming fluent in Japanese, amongst a few other languages. One final thing, I wasn't really thinking about how the translating worked, especially with languages like English and Japanese, which have little to no connection. If you (Or another Bulbapedia staf member) have any problem with anything I edit, like this one, just feel free to edit that page back and tell me. Thanks for pointing that out, and telling me about how translating generally works. Thanks! [[User Talk:Grayglove|Grayglove]]
==A little help, please==
I have been creating battlefield sections for the kingdoms of Pokémon Conquest and would like to create a battlefield page. It looks like I now have the right to create pages, so could you please tell me a bit about creating them? Sorry to bother you. The editing help doesn't help. LOL! Either way, I would really appreciate it if you helped me out. [[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 21:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
:You're not bothering me at all. As far as getting a page started, all you have to do is run a search for the title of the page you want to make, and click the link to create the page. As far as the content for that page, I suggest you look over the other Conquest pages and how they are written and set up, and then maybe go over the {{bp|manual of style}}. Other than that, just go with your instincts. Good luck and have fun! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Umm... I've been too busy to do the page yet (and a bit scared, I know it's stupid to worry about it, I'm just not that good at codes and all), but what would you use for a suffix to show that the article is for the conquest games and not any others? Thanks in advance!--[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 16:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
:Since we don't have any other battlefield pages, a suffix isn't needed to distinguish it. But if you're wanting to make a different page that will need a distinction, the suffix would be (Conquest). I don't think it would be needed for any pages at the moment, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 00:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I've suddenly lost my ability to create pages... Why? [[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 14:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:Can you tell me what the name of the page you're trying to create is? And what message it gives you when you try to create a page? You may be trying to create a page under a protected namespace. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 07:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

==A question==
Hello Crystal! I have a question and I thought you would probably be able to answer it. Can any user, including the ones that are admins or higher, use obscenities on their user pages? I was just sort of wondering since I found this bureaucrat, [[User:Darkeiya]], using a obscenity in a user box and that confused me since I thought Bulbapedia had rules against that.If you could answer my question I would greatly appreciate it. [[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 03:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
:There are rules against it in mainspace articles. However, so long as it is within reason and not specifically directed at a person (or group of people), its allowed on userpages and talkpages. So long as it is not excessive, it's nothing to worry about. Thank you for your concern, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:35, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou for answering my question. The obscenity is directed at a villian in the game so does that change it or is it just different if it is directed at a living person?[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 16:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
:Only a living person, as it would then be against the Code of Conduct. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for answering my question yet again. Now take for instance the God the Christians believe is real and say that some one uses a obscenity and directs it at that God, would that have to be taken down since Christians believe He is real or would it simply be ignored since not everyone believes He is real?[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 23:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
:That would be offensive to a particular group of people, so that would not be allowed. To put it simply, swearing is okay in the userspace and talkpages so long as it is not offensive to a person or persons. So, if someone is swearing at at game, a game character, or nothing in particular, then that is fine. On the other hand, if someone is directing that obscenity at a person, people, entity, or concept that insults or offends someone, it would not be allowed. If you think that something you want to say might offend someone, then don't say it. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your help Crystal! I thought by leaving you a message you might get back to me the next month (since I have had dreadful experiences on talk pages for articles and I thought this would be the same) but I was very surprised that you got back to me in less then a day. Thank you so much for answering my questions but I'm afraid I've got another one (I believe this one will be my last). Now say for instance a user takes a word that is less then a obscenity but is in the same category and then put the word God in front of it and then uses that word to insult themselves. Would that be allowed because they were insulting themselves or would that be not allowed for they would be insulting both God and themselves? I was wondering about that after seeing a [[User:TTEchidna|user]] do that exact thing.[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 23:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
:I really can't run through every possible scenario. The main thing is to avoid offending people. If you think you're going to offend someone, just don't say it. If you're worried about something someone else said, staff will get to it if it is a problem (and if the user hasn't already been banned). Bulbapedia does not discriminate against any race, religion, or ethnic background. If someone is openly expressing discretions against these groups they will be blocked indefinitely whether they use swear words or not. In the case of the provided situation, it would not be allowed as it may offend some people. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 00:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help but I think I would just annoy the staff...[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 02:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

== Moving Sections ==

Crystal i am new and i made a new section on a page and how do i move it to a new place([[User:Icestar649|Icestar649]] ([[User talk:Icestar649|talk]]) 22:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC))
:Hello. First, please add new talkpage comments to the bottom of the page. I've moved this comment for you. To move the section you created, all you need to do is copy-paste it to the area of the page where you want to be (make sure you delete it from the original area so it isn't on the page twice). However, I would suggest simply putting the section in the correct area of the page to begin with. To bring up the whole page for editing, just click the "edit this page" tab at the top of page and add the new section where it needs to be. I went ahead and looked over the section you added, and removed it as it was not the right style for this website. Please work your grammar and do not use "you" when writing for articles here. I would suggest that you look over the {{bp|manual of style}}, it'll help you out with some of the basics of editing here. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
==Merry Christmas==
Dear Crystal Tailan, thank you so much for the help and time you have given me. I hope you have a happy new year and a merry Christmas. Because your favourite pokemon is evee, I recoloured it and turned it into a Christmas evee by using Christmas colour (red and green). I hope you like it and have a great day. http://images.wikia.com/peepandthebigwideworld/images/c/ce/Chirstmas_Eevee.png
[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 02:37, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:I do like it. Thank you so much for your thoughtful gift. <3 [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Your welcome.--[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 14:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

==Shuckle==
Shuckle going to make Rare Candy from Berry Juice. However sadly, the function was removed. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 06:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
:Yes? May I please ask why you are telling me this? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 10:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
==Ask what?==
Ask what? --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 09:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
:Why did you tell me about Shuckle? Or is this message referring to the one I recently left you? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
==I don't know who to ask I thought you might==
Hello Crystal. My brother made a account (his user name is NOBODY) and he for some reason isn't getting a conformation email no matter how many times he clicks on the thing to get it. I'm not exactly sure who to ask about this and I thought you might know. If you can tell me who to ask that would be great. Have a nice day. --[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] ([[User talk:Minor Notes|talk]]) 20:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
:Check the spam folder to make sure that it hasn't got caught by the spam filter? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

== Help please ==

I cannot edit my user page and I would like to remove all my data. I do not want to make any further edits other than removing all the text on my user page. Please help. [[User:Bageese|Bageese]] ([[User talk:Bageese|talk]]) 09:12, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
:If you are leaving the site and wish for your page to be deleted, staff will take care of that for you. The reason why you can't edit your page is because new users have to make a certain number of mainspace contributions before they are allowed to edit their userpages. I realize that you are not a new user, but you have not made any edits since this rule was put in place a long time ago. So, the restriction is having an effect on you as well. If you wish to stay, you simply need to make some contributions and you'll be able to edit your page again. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::Can you just delete my account for me then? That would be appreciated, I'm more of a reader, not a contributor. =) [[User:Bageese|Bageese]] ([[User talk:Bageese|talk]]) 01:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
:::We have deleted your page for you, but we can't actually remove the whole account. If you don't want to log into it, you don't have to do so. The only thing that will remain is your talkpage for archival reasons. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 01:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

== "If there are six, it's not notable" ==

Technically, it's only five, since Deoxys differs via forme. Is five a small enough number out of 650 to be deemed notable? Sweeping statistics like this at a glance are of considerable use to people who play competitively. [[User:Jumpman16|Jumpman16]] ([[User talk:Jumpman16|talk]]) 03:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:I'm afraid that five is still too many. We also don't typically include competitive based trivia. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

== Article about Misty's Gyarados ==

Hello, im bringing this up because way article about Gyarados was written brings confusion among fans making it seem like things are based on assumptions rather than actual proof itself. Its listed on main page as Misty pokemon, but in article about Gyarados way its worded make it seem like its gym pokemon. Which many fans find confusing judging by comments you can read online.

Since going by canon and what was showed in anime from moment Misty earned its trust Gyarados was showed to be used and trained only by her. One of proof to this was revealed in episode "Togepi Mirage" when Misty stated how she trained Gyarados teaching it flamethrower. Like its been already brought up in article Gyarados seem to establish special bond with Misty , bond we never saw existing between him and Daisy, Violet or LIly. Before MIsty returned to gym earning its respect it was also showed how he didn't listened to anyone being out of control, until Misty intervened choosing to be her partner and nothing afterwards indicate how anyone else beside Misty use him befriending it.

Which is one of basic ways trainers acquire new pokemon.Otherwise if we are going to count only captured pokemon as ones which belong to someone, than same logic could be applied to Dawn Togekiss or Brock Onix which they received as gifts from others. Or all befriended pokemon others acquired on travels.
In comparison all Brock pokemon are currently at gym, but that doesn't mean they belong to gym and new gym leader Forest.

Gyarados may be gym pokemon before(even though in canon such thing has never been stated), but that doesn't necessarily mean it still belongs to gym with canon treating it more as Misty's than gym pokemon. There are plenty other gym pokemon like Dewgong, Shelder, Goldeen etc but we don't see Misty taking them with her outside the gym, nor she was ever showed to be using them.Let alone being listed as her pokemon.
Only Gyarados is being taken with her whenever she leaves gym being treated in similar manner like Corsola, Staryu and other pokemon which belong to her are.It was also showed how she is the only one training it, learning flamethrower in process.
Likewise on every site whether its SPPF, or some Japanese poke site Gyarados is listed as one of Misty pokemon with only bulbapedia causing confusion listing it at same time both as Misty and gym pokemon?

Therefore i believe judging by what canon showed so far it would be more accurate to classify Gyarados as Misty rather than gym pokemon since unlike its case with other pokemon we reliably know belong to Cerulean, Gyarados is another story bring showed to have special bond only with Misty listening, training and being taken with her whenever she leaves gym. For all aforementioned reasons wouldn't it be more authentic to say how Gyarados is pokemon Misty befriended, since its treated basically like every pokemon which belongs to Misty? --[[User:Pokemon fan 132|Pokemon fan 132]] ([[User talk:Pokemon fan 132|talk]]) 08:46, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

== I wanted to ask before reverting this image to an earlier version ==

Somehow, [[[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Shiny_Sandshrew_IV.png]]] seems like a hazard to epileptics. Or non epileptics. Or any one, really --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 07:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
:The current version is fine. I doubt it'll cause any seizures, as the movement is slow and small. Thank you for your concern, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 07:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

== Move trivia ==

I don't think that "the only non-X-type Pokémon that can learn the move" trivia should be on the move pages, since you can see it easily just by looking at the move lists (which is why sprite trivia isn't allowed). For example, when you read the {{m|Poison Gas}} page, you'll notice immediately that Drowzee and Hypno are the only Psychic types without having to read the trivia section.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:I considered that, but it really doesn't belong on Pokémon species pages either. Being the only one not of a type to learn it is potentially notable, but the major question is where to put it. It is easily visible on the move pages, but it's not really relevant on the species pages since it's more about the move than the Pokémon. I will look into the best place to put them tonight. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
::I'm also dumbfounded as to why you reverted my edits. In my opinion, all those reversions and pseudo-reversions of yours should be reverted, as the trivia does not belong in the move articles (see my talk page), and if it is notable, then of course the species articles are the appropriate locations. Really can't follow the logic in the argument that the content is not relevant for the species articles. How is it not? I'd even say it's more about the Pokémon than the move. Do you think that the fact that Bagon and its evolutionary relatives are the only non-Fire-type Pokémon to learn Ember says more about Ember than the Pokémon? I don't. I'd appreciate it if you could just undo your brash actions, disregarding any face-saving that could be gained from arguing and making this "major question" more complicated than it has to be; there are two location options, one is inapproriate due to being beyond redundant, the other is not - species articles if notable, nowhere if not notable. That was the conclusion I reached when editing, reflected in my edit summaries, so if you want to oppose that, at least make up your mind before reverting. Also, it appears your reversions are made without regard to my grammar-fixes (compare your restored Flame Wheel (move) to what you removed from Rattata (Pokémon)), which is, you know, counterproductive. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 16:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

== How to add pictures ==

I really want to add a picture, how? [[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 01:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:Pictures need to be uploaded to the Bulbagarden Archives before the they can be added to Bulbapedia. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

== I remembered in Answer.com ==

Somebody copied information from Regigas.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 01:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:If it's only to Answer.com, then it's not something to worry about. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

== About Pupitar? ==

In the Pokédex entries of Pupitar in FireRed and Silver it describes Pupitar as fast, but it is not really that fast for a Pokemon at Level 30. And I would aalso like to add "despite its Pokédex entries it can be damage by steel-type.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 05:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:Pokedex entries do not necessarily relate to in-game mechanics. The games can only do so much. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::How about in the trivia section of Escavalier: "Although Escavalier's Pokédex entry states that it flies around at high speed, its base speed is among the lowest of all known Pokémon, at just 20, nor can this species have the Ability Levitate.".[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 08:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:::I will be removing that when I can get to it. Staff had a discussion a short while ago, and it was decided to remove trivia such as this. However, as there are currently over six hundred Pokémon, it is difficult to remove all the trivia at once. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

== "Out of three Pokemon, so not notable" ==

Since this is noting a record, and not a peculiar trait, I don't see how this notability requirement enters into it. Would you remove the similar record from the Hydreigon article if it was shared with two other species? [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:54, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:I can understand why you didn't respond to my message in the "Move trivia" section, since that wasn't entirely a question, and (judging from the current state of the articles) it seems like I got through anyway, but ignoring this question seems against the purpose of talk pages. How does this not merit a response? (A week has passed, and you've been actively replying to/handling subsequent talk page messages from other users.) [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 10:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
::I apologize for your wait, but I have not replied because there is not currently an answer to give. Stat trivia is under discussion among staff and a decision has yet to be reached. For the time being, trivia relating to highest/lowest stat is remaining on the site regardless of a tie or not. However, the majority of staff agrees that the tie for "lowest level required for evolution" is not notable. Neither are most other ties. However, since a few are still being discussed, I did not want to reply and give you the wrong information as that would cause problems later. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Very well, thank you for informing me - no need to follow up here when you're done discussing. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 08:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding Tyranitar ==

About Tyranitar that was so stupid of me :3. I don't know how to describe it but if you look above the scaled (a reference from Larvitar's page)blue rhombus you can see the armor fom the lower body is not connected to the armor on the upper body.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 08:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:You mean that the scales overlap? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::Yes![[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 09:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:::That doesn't mean they aren't connected. Just that they overlap and you can't see where they connect. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding Mew's name origin ==

According to Webster's Universal English Thesaurus:
mew vb confine, coop, encase, enclose, imprison;cast, change, mold, shed.
That is why I said Mew's name origin comes from the word (don't worry I'm going to change it into verb when I edit)mew.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 12:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
::Just because a word can mean something, doesn't mean that it does in every case. The usage of the word in this way seems unlikely (and therefore not notable) in Mew's origin. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::..., for example:"The chameleon mew its color."[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 05:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:::: "Mew" is more often used in reference to birds moulting. Is that an example of your own, or one from another website? Because my research indicates that it only used to indicate a change in birds. An example from the Oxford dictionary: "the {{tt|eyasses|young hawks}} clung dully to their leashes as if they were mewing", referring to hawks in moult. The definition "to confine" is also primary used in reference to birds used for hawking. This has nothing to do with the Pokémon Mew. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:42, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::My own. Well cloud and sky are completely different in definition, but their synonymous because they come from the same latin word.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 05:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Glato
::::::The clouds are the sky are not synonymous simply because they come from the same word. You cannot use "sky" to mean "cloud" or vice versa. The word "mew" coming from the same word as "mutant" does not mean it should be added to Mew's page in the context of "change". This word used in this way has a strong connotation towards birds, which the Pokémon clearly is not. It is notable to have ''mutant'' in Mew's name origin, but that is already there. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::My English Teacher said that. Ok. Ok.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 09:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

== Best Eeveelution? ==

Who is the best eeveelution? And why/ If none, why Eevee?[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 05:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:Talkpages really aren't the place to discuss stuff like this. You're welcome to talk about it with me and other users on the forums, however. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== Gender ==

Are the gender of N's Pokémon's set?[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 13:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

== Regarding the my Darumaka edit ==

Is there a way that I could present the info that would be appropriate? [[User:Antiyonder|Antiyonder]] ([[User talk:Antiyonder|talk]]) 03:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
:If it is not already there, I would put it in the Trivia section of the page for the episode. It may also go in the Trivia section of Darumaka's page. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

== Cartoon Network ==

How reliable is Cartoon Network? They have [[BW123]] as Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!, and on the [[List of anime episodes]], it's just Farewell, Unova!. — [[User:Reshi643|Reshi]][[User talk:Reshi643|643]] 03:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
:It would be better to check the official site for episode titles if possible. The absolute best source to use is the title card of the episode itself when it aired on TV, the second would be the DVD title card (they occasionally make corrections, which are usually mentioned as trivia), third would be the official site, and the Cartoon Network would be at the bottom of the pecking order. So while CN is somewhat reliable, we would prefer the use of a different source if possible. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

== BW134 ==

Should all of the Pokémon under the [[BW134#Photographs|Photographs]] section be listed under the Minor appearances of their own pages? — [[User:Reshi643|Reshi]][[User talk:Reshi643|643]] 19:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
:Yes. I believe they should as we have done that for other Pokémon who have appeared as pictures or photographs. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 19:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

== Reversion of Special abilities section initiative ==

I expected that edit to be reverted in a flash due to not being protocol or whatever, so here goes the discussion. Your comment: "''I am aware other pages do this, but this not meant to be a list of moves learned (even rare ones) we try to limit this only to signature moves.''" I am not aware other pages do this, which pages do this? Of course it's not meant to be a list of moves learned, those are in the Learnset sections, what are you getting at? Summarizing which "rare" moves the various species can learn by leveling up, in their Special abilities sections, was clearly my intention, and if I may say so, an almost objective improvement of these sections, spot on in terms of subject matter. Full implementation would of course wait until a threshold has been decided and Generation VI has been launched. Instead of telling me that it's not protocol, and you prefer to only include "signature moves", why don't you explain why you think my initiative is not a good idea, which will improve these sections? Or in case you're not acting out of direct disagreement, refer me to whoever it is you think you're pleasing by reverting this initiative of mine. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 08:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:Many pages provide a list of "notable" or rarely learned moves. As for which pages, pretty much every Pokemon species page we have. {{p|Bulbasaur}} alone is a good example of what I mean. The problem here is that we do not want ''any moves'' other than signature moves or previously signature moves listed in a Pokemon's biology section. The reason they have not been removed yet is because of an upcoming change in the biology section. It'll be easier to make the changes together instead of making many individual edits. I actually did not remove your edit due to any protocol regarding changes. Although, as I have told you before, any change that will affect or be implented on a large number of pages should be discussed before it is implemented anywhere. New ideas should not be tested in the mainspace. Mainspace testing creates large inconsistencies across pages, as well as a couple of other problems. Please, if you have an idea for a change, bring it up with staff first or test it in your userpace. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 12:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
::The Bulbasaur article lists 13 moves, and uses colorful language. By my method, using a threshold, only 1 move (i.e. Seed Bomb (Bulbasaur does not learn Power Whip or Bullet Seed by leveling up)) would be listed, and it would not be presented in colorful language. As such, I think that is a horrible example, and focusing on these supposed similar instances in your reply derails the discussion - I don't know of any, so they played no role in my editing. You say that you (we) do not want any moves other than "signature moves" listed, but I asked you to explain this opinion, not repeat it. And I don't see how this initiative has to interfere with these "upcoming changes", which I have no idea what are about, as you ignored to elaborate on them back in April at my talk page, section "Examples in the Mainspace". It's not really testing, neither was the Tynamo edit, which you similarly reprimanded me on back in April; they're single edits, improving the encyclopedic article, breaking no rules whatsoever, not forcing other articles to follow suit, and even easy to revert. You're telling me to bring it up with staff first, and at the same time, you (a member of staff) refuse to actually discuss this initiative upon my invitation, right here. I don't know what to make of that, really. And I've used talk pages a lot, when my ideas involve large changes, but you can see for yourself how much that has achieved so far, even when people do agree with me. I feel like you have a habit of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tynamo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1889491&oldid=1889385 just] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tynamo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1889494&oldid=1889491 removing] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tynamo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1889505&oldid=1889494 content] without addressing the idea itself, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tynamo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1889494&oldid=1889491 sometimes without even making sense]. This is without mentioning your actions (or lack thereof) in relation to the matter "discussed" on your talk page, section "Move trivia". I've even got a section on my own talk page named after you, completely incognito, out of the blue, still clueless as to how that came about. If you have to disapprove of an idea, can't you at least engage in dialogue about the actual idea, or otherwise leave the reversions to people who are willing to do so? [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 13:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::A Pokemon's moveset has nothing to do with its special abilities. If more than one Pokemon can learn a move ''by any means at all'', then it is not special to that Pokemon. This is why we would ideally like to include only signature or previously signature moves. They are unique and therefore "special" to that particular Pokemon. "Single" mainspace edits such as your Tynamo and Munna edits are not actually singular. They set a standard. If we note something or display something on one page, we must be consistent and do it on all similar pages. So when you, or anyone else, adds references (as in the Tynamo edit) or set a certain standard (such as Munna) then all similar pages should do the same for consistency. Not to do so is unprofessional and, frankly, sloppy looking. If you wish to discuss topics like this more thoroughly, then you should create a topic on the Pokemon's or on the Pokedex Projects talkpages where it's easier for more members (and staff) to respond to it, rather than relying on my input alone. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
::::That's quite the bold statement; that the moves (manifestations of the powers a Pokémon possesses) a Pokémon is programmed to learn by leveling up (the most specific, direct manner of "distribution") "has nothing to do with its special abilities". The remainder of your argument hinges on equaling "special" with "unique"...may I suggest changing the section title in case that's the intended definition of the word? The can't-be-more-than-1-out-of-all-instances-argument, while often highly relevant, is not applicable to everything; you're dealing with more than 600 instances (similarities are bound to occur), and the information being cut due to enforcing this argument is not some new trivia point or whatever, but information concerning the exact subject matter of the target section. I still disagree regarding those two edit examples. They may set a standard, but that's not what constitutes the problem. What matters is whether that standard is an improvement to the site or not; if it is, consistency will eventually come around. Clearly, you wouldn't remove something good just because it makes the remaining articles look "sloppy"; you obviously remove the content because you find it adverse. This would be fine if you actually addressed/discussed the proposed idea, but your lack of involvement has been plainly obvious from this exchange. And that is unfortunate, so yes, if my ideas are to be dismissed, I would prefer "discussing them more thoroughly". With uninvolved, reverting patrollers like you around, I suppose there's no other way than proposing ideas via discussion pages, drawing from userspace page examples. If that's the way Bulbapedia is to be run, then so be it. Let's see how that goes. Case rested. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 17:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::For future reference, you would've saved about 6,500 bytes of futile discussion if you had told me right away that the Special abilities sections were being abandoned—without these, the initiative is irrelevant. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Why? ==
Why did you delete my edit on emolga habitat because i thought it was a good edit. Im trying to do good additional edits so i can make my account auto-confirmed.--[[User:Oshawott213|Oshawott213]] ([[User talk:Oshawott213|talk]]) 21:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
:Because, if you look at the areas where Emolga are found, most of them are not forests. If you can show me some evidence that Emolga are particularly likely to be found in forests over other areas, I will happily restore your edit. However, you should not be focusing on becoming auto-confirmed. Your focus should just be good edits in general. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
::Additionally, you should ''not'' add something back after it has been removed. If you have problem with the removal of one your edits, you bring it up on the talkpage. Do not simply put it on the page again. That's called edit-warring and is against the rules. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:50, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

==The new conventions==
I recently read your MftE, and I was wondering why the changes have only been applied to Bulbasaur's page. Is that incoherence something to be fixed by the staff when this wiki is temporarily locked down due to XY? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 15:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:Every page is being worked on currently. And can be done by anyone, not just staff. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 16:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Why remove Biology ==

Why are you removing most of the biology subsections like Habitat for all the Pokemon. I think it was nice to know where some Pokemon live and if they're incorrect don't remove the entire section like an idiot and update it with relevant accurate information. Removing it is a bad move. {{unsigned|Xx dan xx}}
:If you've [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:Messages_from_the_Editor#August_14 read the message from the editor] on the main page, you would know why. The staff has decided to condense and rewrite the biology section into one section as it was really all over the place. The habitat is still there, just combined into one paragraph with all the other things, the only habitat related thing removed were the habitat icons as they only apply to 365/649 Pokémon. And please don't insult a staff member, saying that they're removing things like an idiot goes against the code of conduct.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

== Shellder Biology and Biology for forme changing Pokémon ==

How are we suppose to go about bringing the biology of Pokémon with multiple formes up to code? Shellder has three different shells, two of which due to a parasitic relationship with Slowpoke. Then we have Pokémon like the Kami trio who have a normal form and a forme change. Is there a certain structure to follow? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 02:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:Pokemon like Kami trio will need a paragraph or so describing their separate forms. This can be done similar to how the Mega Evolutions were handled on {{p|Blaziken}} and {{p|Ampharos}}'s pages. Shellder can be handled in the same way. Since the {{p|Slowbro}} and {{p|Slowking}} forms are so similar, a single paragraph should be plenty to describe both. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks. I hope I did it right. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

== Biology Sections ==

{{p|Scolipede}}'s Biology section wasn't rewritten, just to let you know.

Also what's wrong with just removing the irrelevant headers? It's not like anybody is going to <s>die</s>faint because of it. --eww a [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|stupid person]]. D: 12:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:As I said, simply removing the headers makes it difficult to tell which Pokemon have been appropriately brought up to date and which have not. It creates an unnecessary amount of complication. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 13:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

::How was [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bisharp_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1959523&oldid=1954863 my edit] any different from [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Scolipede_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1954065&oldid=1953871 this one]? --The [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] 13:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:::It's not so much that the edits are different, it's the way I was looking at them. I looked at Scolipede without looking at the changes made. Also, I had the time to make corrections on Scolipede when I checked it - as you can see if you look farther ahead in the history. I looked at the differences on your edit, and did not have the time to make corrections. You're welcome to help with the project, it is just very much preferred that you bring the article as up to date as possible as opposed to simply removing headers. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Something like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Froslass_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&curid=13601&diff=1959911&oldid=1947228 this]? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 13:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Your recent biology edits have been much better. Keep up the good work! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 00:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

==Biology Content==
I've been adding Pokédex info to Biology sections of Pokémon [[Butterfree_(Pokémon)#Biology|such as Butterfree's]] ever since the new format was introduced. I assumed Biology would be split into 2 or 3 paragraphs: one of its physical description, another of its Pokédex data, and another of other data (anime-specific abilities, such as Bulbasaur's Bulba-by, etc). Unfortunately, we were never given a specific structure with which to write Biologies. Our only reference is [[Bulbasaur_(Pokémon)#Biology|Bulbasaur]], whose Biology is structured as: physical description with some Pokédex info, anime-exclusive info, habitat and even more anime info. That list of data is clunky, inconsistent, and mixes anime canon with game canon.

It needs to be restructured. Too little source material (Pokédex) is shown, but info that is canon in only one media (the anime) is ever-present. It needs to be explicitly stated when info comes from anything other than the games. I chose to bug you about this since you seem the most active with this new little project. Thank you for giving attention to this. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 14:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
:The goal with the biology rewrite is to form cohesive, flowing paragraphs that are a culmination of all the biological information that we know and can confirm. Placement of the information should be based on the information itself, not its source. For example, if the anime reveals a special ability, that information should go in a paragraph about special abilities. If this means putting something from the anime in a paragraph mainly consisting of game data, then that's fine. When we say it needs to be clear where the information comes from, we are referring to the reference links. These links are used to confirm the validity of the statement, not to divide canons.

:As for how many paragraphs and on what topic each Pokemon gets, that's going to depend entirely on the Pokemon. Some Pokemon have a lot of available information, whereas as others do not. In ''general'', each Pokemon should have a paragraph on anatomy and/or physiology and a paragraph on abilities or other available data. However, some Pokemon have very little information and both of these topics can be combined into a single paragraph. Others will require more paragraphs covering other topics because we know more about them. It has to be done on a case by case basis.

:Bulbasaur in particular has been looked over by a number of staff members, and it has been agreed that it is fine the way it is written now. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 00:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

== Meowstick ==

Why aren't we allowed to keep this redirect?--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 17:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:For one thing, we shouldn't encourage misspellings. If it had been misspelled in an official source, I'd say fine. But if the only place was a leak on fansite, I really don't think it's necessary at all. Yes, it's one letter off from the official spelling, I realize that. However, I don't see it being a common mistake. If it becomes an issue, we can discuss adding it back at a later date. But for now, I see no real reason to keep it other than to encourage misspellings. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 17:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
::That's an alarmingly {{wp|Linguistic prescription|prescriptivist}} reasoning, don't you think? People who are going to misspell it are going to do so whether or not we have a redirect; not having one just means it'll be harder for them to find the page they want. Isn't that completely contrary to the point of being a ''community'' encyclopedia? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:::When, before it was deleted, he discussed that with me, I said the same thing. But then he gave me examples of the same stuff and said the list went on. And more things. [[User talk:TheOriginalOne#Meowstick redirect|Here's the conversation as a reference]] [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 17:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
::::I am well aware of the discussion that have been going on. And Pumpkinking, yes, people will misspell it regardless. However, we cannot account for every possible misspelling and this one has not proven itself common yet. If we have the redirect, it shows up as a suggestion on the search bar and that will certainly encourage it as a common misspelling. I'd rather wait and see if it becomes a common misspelling without our help. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 18:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::For the record, "encouraging misspellings" only counts when the redirect has "(Pokémon)" attached to it; that's not what's allowed. Several pokémon have misspelled redirects because, in moderation, they do no harm unless they're linked to without the {{template|p}}. Meowstick has been in circulation as the name of a pokémon since May (6,760 Google results), but since this a fan name and ''not'' a common misspelling (unlike Ninetails and Ratata, which people still get iffy over even years after their release), it falls under the rules of "Smugleaf": not unless an official publication used it. (Zoroaaku falls under alternate katakana reading.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

== Dwebble/Dig ==
Very sorry new to this. Did Dwebble not use dig because it burrowed into the ground in a very similar manner to how passage does. Furthermore he does it like the three wild Dwebble he fought in the episode and they are considered to be using Dig {{unsigned|Rahl}}
:This is something you should bring up on [[Talk:Cilan's Crustle|the article's talkpage]]. However, I can tell you that we do not typically count something as a move unless it is explicitly stated to be so. Dwebble is perfectly capable of digging without using the move itself. Also, please sign talk page comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 17:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

== Biology project ==

Hello, I am Blazingfist and I've been asked to help during the lockdown with anything pertaining to XY's release. However, I've also been told by Kogoro that I could be helpful in the Biology project you've set up. I would gladly like to help. Is there, at this moment, anything particular I can do pertaining to the Biology project? If so, I would gladly like to hear it. I am sorry by the way if this isn't the correct way to contact you about this. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 21:39, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:This is a fine way to contact me. The project's main focus right now is switching the biology sections over to the new format, as detailed in the most recent "Message from the Editor" on the front page. More detailed instructions on how to do that can be found [[User:Crystal_Talian/Biology_Project|here]] and a list of progress can be found [[User_talk:Crystal_Talian/Biology_Progress|here]] (the "revised" column is for those that have been switched to the new format, while the "checked" column is for ones staff has done gone over and approved). Anything you can do to help with the format switch would be great, and feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

== "More than one is not notable" ==

... Last time I checked, it was. Before T-tar gained a weakness we had trivia on the pages of all Grass/Psychic and Ice/Grass Pokémon stating they were part of a small group of Pokémon with seven weaknesses, which even today is the most weaknesses any Pokémon can have. Clawitzer and Lucario are the only two Pokémon capable of learning all the pulse/wave/whatever moves, so it's more exclusive than the seven weaknesses club and therefore notable. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 13:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Those were removed under the same rule that means the pulse moves should be removed. Just because something wrong existed once doesn't mean it's OK and can be used as precedent; it just means either nobody noticed it or nobody bothered to take the time to fix it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:: I'd say only two Pokémon out of 718 is notable. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 15:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Could you please tell me whether or not the Trivia I've been removing from {{p|Charizard}}'s article is notable or not? It falls under the same clause as the Clawitzer and Lucario trivia removed yesterday. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 18:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::I feel that they're fundamentally different: the Clawitzer and Lucario trivia are trying to say "these two are unlike all other Pokemon", which is unnotable because they are not unlike ''all'' other Pokemon, since they are like each other. The species names trivia are saying "these Pokemon have this in common", which is different from "these Pokemon are unlike others". In any case, if the species name trivia is ruled unnotable, be aware that there are dozens (perhaps over a hundred?) pages that you're gonna need to remove it from, since it's already on all Pokemon articles that have species names in common with other Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Just my two cents after reviewing the pieces in question, I believe they're both notable pieces of trivia. If a species shares a species name with other Pokémon, then it's okay if that has more than one, because it's still a unique trait that only a small selection of Pokémon share. As for the base stat trivia, it mentions how it's a similarity between the two Pokémon families, but it doesn't contradict the statement of the trivia point. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::::I'm going to respectively ask that others not give opinions on questions directed at me, please. A while ago when staff discussed trivia, it as largely agreed that trivia such as that regarding the Lucario/Clawitzer example is ''unnotable''. Shared species trivia was considered notable. This is based entirely on previous discussions and a reviewing may be necessary, but for now the previous discussion is what the pages should reflect. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:09, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

==Pokemon Y: My Christmas==
I'm going to have 3DS and Pokemon Y Version, but my mother said only christmas time. [[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 11:45, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Vivillon Gallery ==

Yeah, I thought as much, but was only following the suggestion of [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]. You can check our conversation on his talk page. Btw, I'm open for suggestions. --[[User:Sekuiya|Sekuiya]][[User talk:Sekuiya|talk]] 03:59, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
:I see. I will add it back in that case. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:35, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== My apology for the gendering and non-singular use in some article sections ==

Title says all. I'm not used to the more current Bulbapedia policies; I used to be an avid bulbapedia person a long time ago but I left for a long time due to personal life. I'll make sure to remember to remain gender neutral and singular in my edits. Thanks for the corrections! - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 07:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
:Sure, it's no problem. The switch to using all singular, gender-neutral pronouns is very recent. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 18:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokemon can't breed with Ditto ==

Hey Crystal, I'm not sure about Legendary Pokemon breed. But, the Legendary Pokemons do not breed with Ditto so far. [[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 02:19, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution ==
Crystal, though it wasn't source of power surge, they can still temporarily evolve into second/true final forms. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 01:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
:They are neither "second" nor "true" final forms. Its a simple, temporary change. Its Mega Evolution, nothing more and nothing less. It should not be treated like a normal evolution, because it isn't. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
::Crystal, Mega Evolution were additional evolution, so they can temporarily evolve into second final forms, not transformation. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 04:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== Having problems with a reverter ==

Hey there. I've been having constant issues with the user Relicant, who seems to bitterly revert without prior discussion on the talk page or change people's edits with rude messages. I came to you because I did not want to start an edit war of course but their rude and ridiculous behavior is a little tiring. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 22:36, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::Please don't attempt to antagonize me by making up blatant lies. I've never been rude in any of my edit summaries. Not towards you, and not towards anyone else. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 22:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::I have not "made up lies" and have in fact both witnessed ridiculousness in terms of you suddenly deleting things users have added for no reason other than "you don't see it" and have seen from you countless times that you have completely removed chunks from origin sections for personal opinion reasons. Considering you yet again reverted sections of origin as well as my reverts of your unnecessary reverts, I decided to take it up with an admin and be civil rather than having to constantly be reverted again with "yeah no" comments. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 22:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Is this in reference to the recent revisions on {{p|Bunnelby}} and {{p|Diggersby}}'s pages? Looking over the edit summaries, I wouldn't really call it rude. However, neither of you should be repeatedly removing and re-adding information. It should have been taken to the talkpage after the first removal and not re-added back. Even then, it could have been taken to the talkpage instead of being removed again. Honestly, I think the pair of you should be a little quicker to discuss things together instead of just trying to keep or remove information from a page. A discussion should be brought up the ''first'' time you have an issue with something, not the second or third. As it is now, I will look over the disputed information and make a decision on its validity. But next time, please bring up on the talkpage before re-adding or removing for a second time. Thank you. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::While it was triggered by the bunnelby/diggersby issue, I have seen this user doing this many times before (Spritzee/Aromatisse for example). I have told the user before to also please take it to the discussion page and they promptly ignored this, and that was quite a pain. I will admit maybe I should have brought it to the discussion page before bringing this to you, and I do apologize for that, but this user still has a track record for completely ignoring people telling them to "take it to the discussion page" multiple times and that, as well as their general rude snark to people for no reason, is a little uncalled for. Considering all of that was the reason I wanted to bring this issue to you, an admin. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 04:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I understand your concern, and thank you for bringing it to my attention. I will discuss it with the rest of staff. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:30, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== A Bulbapedia Template ==

Don't know if it is right or not to ask but I seriously need it.
You see we are developing a Pokémon Wiki for Subcontinent.Since we have just started it,we can't cover all articles.
I want the permission of Bulbapedia Admins to make a Bulbapedia template just like Wikipedia template that redirects the reader to Wikipedia.
By this way,we will be able to redirect our readers to Bulbapedia until we make our own page.I assure you that we will use it for non-profit use only.
Please consider it.--[[User:Monfernape|Monfernape]] ([[User talk:Monfernape|talk]]) 17:53, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
:This is a matter above my standing to evaluate. I suggest you bring it up with {{u|Kogoro}}. She should be able to answer your questions. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

== The in the anime sections ==

Some of the images depicting the Pokémon's appearance in the anime are causing some whitespace between the biology and in the anime sections. What do you think we should do to remedy the problem? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

== Project Trivia ==

Do you know if a project on trivia sections would be useful? Maybe could start it? I like to edit trivia sections, like on the page of {{p|Pikachu}}, I stated that Pikachu is the only usable Pokémon in the Japanese [[Pokémon Stadium (Japanese)|Pokémon Stadium]] that is not fully [[evolved]]. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 20:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
:Wait, should I ask this to the Editorial Board?----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 21:43, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
::You could ask the EB. But we try very hard not to focus on trivia. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
::: Oh... So I guess trivia is not very important. Well maybe it will work. Thanks for answering my question. {{unsigned|Ethan7}}

== Proper referencing to Pop culture ==

Hi,
I would to know the reference guide to referencing pop culture.
I ask this because it's quite obvious some Pokemon are referencing not only Pop culture, but media in general.
For example, Zoroark and some bat pokemon have references to Hollywood monsters. But these monsters are not copyrighted and are of common knowledge.
In Starmie's case, they are a reference to weird alien invaders. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StarfishAliens)
Particularly, a reference to Starro,villain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starro). This villain is space starfish that has mind control. Starmie is associated with space and has the psychic typing. This is not a concidence-it's a shoutout from the designers. {{unsigned|ZoroFan}}
:"Shout-out"s to specific pop culture characters without confirmation are completely subjective. Unless the designer's say "we were specifically referencing this character", then we cannot put in the origins sections. Sometimes a very, very general statement about themes commonly seen in pop culture are okay, but never a specific character or series. I don't see this as a valid reference in the case of Starmie. Coincidences can and do happen very often, and that's what many of these cases are considered to be unless they can be ''proven'' otherwise. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:13, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, this is about my [[Salamence]] edits. I figure it's close enough to the above in subject that I could use the same header.

I don't mean to attack/inconvenience you by arguing about it, I just feel strongly.
As someone who struggled to understand what Salamence could be based on before first seeing the character in question, I feel that it has a place in the origins section. The only reason why I continue to try to get it in the article is because I assumed obvious references were alright to put in this section when I read the Tyranitar article.

Has it been stated that [[Tyranitar]] is based on Godzilla? Because according to its Bulbapedia entry, it "seems to be" based on Godzilla, with no citation.
This has been allowed to stay in the article because
:A. someone neglected to cite an interview stating it's based on Godzilla.
:B. no one who takes the (entirely justified, that's not the issue I have) policy of avoiding including pop culture references as possible origins seriously has seen it yet.
:C. it's common knowledge.
In cases A. and B., this information has no place in the Tyranitar article.
In case C., I have a leg to stand on when arguing that my edit belonged in the article.

Again, I don't mean to give you a hard time. I'm not bringing this up to get the reference to Godzilla deleted because my own edit didn't fly, I'm doing it to fully understand Bulbapedia's policy. --'''cuckooshrike''' 03:03, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
:Tyranitar's okay because it's directly referenced in its Japanese name: "Bangiras may be a combination of 野蛮 yaban (savage) or 蛮 ban (barbarian) and 嫌い kirai (hate). Giras may derive from Gojira, the Japanese name for Godzilla". I do, however, see your point. I will bring it up to the rest of staff. If its agreed that your basis is okay, I will add it to the article. If it is not agreed, the article will stay the way it is. However, I don't think we can go on a mere resemblance to a character - as that's something that very heavily depends on the person viewing. For example, to me it just looks like Salamance and Devilman both have simple bat-style wings, not that one is related to the other. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:10, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying so quickly and for putting my edit up for staff review. --'''cuckooshrike''' 03:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

== Shellder Venom ==

Slowking Pokédex Entry:
Silver: '''When''' its head was bitten, toxins entered '''Slowpoke's head''' and unlocked an extraordinary power.
PDPt: '''Being bitten''' by Shellder gave it intelligence comparable to that of award-winning scientists.

Clearly it had venom beforehand '''When''' it bit '''Slowpoke's head''' Not after it was attached to Slowking's head. Just like the spider that bit Peter Parker, it didn't bite spider man, it bit the man who would become spider man. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:33, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:But there is no mention of such a thing until ''after'' Shellder has changed to its spiral form. To me, it sounds like spiral Shellder has venom, but bivalve Shellder may not. Furthermore, there's no evidence that it uses said venom on any Pokemon other than Slowpoke. Until we get some really solid evidence one way or the other, I'd prefer it not be worded in a such a way as to suggest otherwise. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 18:54, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

== Edits to Sylveon page ==

A few weeks ago, you told Fireball the Victini to stop changing the Sylveon page re:feline/etc. Not 24 hours after that, you [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Sylveon_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2058299&oldid=2058244 undid another edit] Fireball the Victini tried to make. Now, Fireball the Victini made [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Sylveon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2070115&oldid=2070055 basically the same edit] again. When I tried to revert it (manually, due to an intervening edit), he undid my edit. I think Fireball the Victini needs a talking to (if not more). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

== Servine's biology ==

Regarding Servine's biology section, I'm confused as to what was 'unclear' in my rewrites. Would you care to clarify?

On a side note, I asked my older brother, also an avid Pokémon fan and who is a participant in an honor's English class, which sounded cleaner, better, and more professional (without revealing the authors of each version). He chose my rewrite. --[[User:FireGambit|'''F'''ire'''G'''ambit]] ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
:Sure, I can certainly clarify. Since "green" in a color, adding "in coloration" is somewhat repetitive. "Thin" and "narrow" mean basically the same thing, so it was a small, unneeded change. "Beyond" can imply off to the sides or behind or even forward, while "behind" tells the reader specifically where they extend. The remainder really just made short, simple concepts longer, which wasn't really needed. I'm not trying to put down your brother's opinion or anything; both versions were well written. However, for the purposes of this site I feel the original was better suited. Thanks [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 16:14, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
::Hmm... I agree with what you said. However, some parts of my rewrite I feel should stay. For example, 'limbs' versus 'arms and legs' seemed more simple and concise. Using 'dirt-free' instead of clean helped with repetition, as 'clean' was used just in the last sentence; normally, this wouldn't be a problem, but reading through the section out loud made me realize how repetitive those two sentences sounded. Also, I really like the sound of 'This Pokémon hides in thick foliage or shadows to avoid attacks before retaliating with blinding speed,' haha. --[[User:FireGambit|'''F'''ire'''G'''ambit]] ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 16:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
:::After a quick review, I agree that you can make those first two changes. The last part is fine as it is, I think. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 16:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Alright, thank you. --[[User:FireGambit|'''F'''ire'''G'''ambit]] ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 16:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zorua ==

There's an edit war going on, on the [[Talk:Zorua (M13)|talk page]] of Zorua and it's beginning to get disruptive. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:Pokemaster97‎‎ took care of it. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

== Question ==

I've had some of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Quilladin_(Pokémon)&diff=next&oldid=2073251 my biology rewrites] be changed to be refer to the species in general, and you changed my [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Blitzle_(Pokémon)&diff=next&oldid=2073474 Blitzle edit] to be singular. So which should it really be? --[[User:FireGambit|'''FireGambit''']] [[User talk:FireGambit|'''(talk)''']] 19:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
:Singular. From our [[Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex]] page: "This section should include a full description, including gender and form differences and will be written with singular, gender-neutral pronouns, like in-game Pokédex entries, regardless of gender ratio." [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 20:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you. Also, does that mean that my Quilladin rewrite was okay as it was? --[[User:FireGambit|'''FireGambit''']] [[User talk:FireGambit|'''(talk)''']] 02:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:::As you can see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Crystal_Talian/Biology_Progress here] Quilladin is actually on the list of Pokemon I haven't checked since the Biology Revamp project. Since I still have to look over the whole thing, I haven't been checking smaller edits. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Alright, cool beans. --[[User:FireGambit|'''FireGambit''']] [[User talk:FireGambit|'''(talk)''']] 02:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Could you check Gible's evolutionary line? I fixed it up for the biology project. --[[User:FireGambit|'''FireGambit''']] [[User talk:FireGambit|'''(talk)''']] 15:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:Hey, thanks. Do you mean check the grammar and style? I have quite the back up of those to do. I'll get to them as soon as I can. If you're referring to the checklist, I went ahead and checked them off for you. In the future, you're welcome to do that yourself. Just change the first "no" in their rows to a "yes". I'll change second one when I actually do the style check. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was just asking if I could check them off, haha. Thanks! Also, I did Kricketot and Kricketune, so I'll go mark the first box off for them also. --''[[User:FireGambit|'''Fire''']][[User talk:FireGambit|'''Gambit''']] [[Special:Contributions/FireGambit|Contribs]]'' 00:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== Archive ==

Since your page is too long, would you archive your talk page? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 06:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:When to archive and what is too long is really up to the user. I have a couple of potentially active conversations on here right now and would rather not archive. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

::So how much bytes would your talk page have until you can do this? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 06:09, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:::It's really not your concern how long my talkpage is before I archive it. There's no set number and its completely up to the individual user. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== Frogadier and Height ==

Hours ago, Glik removed my trivia and I put up a discussion about Frogadier is the shortest of the second-stage starters, will you reply my message on Frogadier's talk page? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 07:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

== Moveentrytm ==

[[Template:Moveentrytm]] needs updating, but as I'm not an admin, I can't do it. As to what needs updating, the Forces of Nature's respective Incarnate Forms link to a nonexistent header on the [[Form differences]] page. It's attempting to go to the header named 'Kami trio,' but the header on the page is called 'Forces of Nature.' --[[User:FireGambit|'''FireGambit''']] ([[User talk:FireGambit|'''talk''']]) 01:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
:I would bring this up with {{u|Kogoro}}. I'm not the best with templates, so this is out of my expertise. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:02, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
::Alright, thanks. Off to Kogoro... ----[[User:FireGambit|'''FireGambit''']] ([[User talk:FireGambit|'''talk''']]) 04:05, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

== Project Pokédex ==

Hey Crystal! So, as you seem to be the resident expert on Pokémon pages, I have a question to ask: On Pokémon pages, I've seen some pages with a <code><nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki></code> in-between the Pokémon navigation template, while others do not. for example, {{p|Koffing}} has a break template, while {{p|Florges}} doesn't. Which is correct? --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 01:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
:Either is fine. It just depends on whether or not the break is needed. The templates ended up mashing into each other on some pages, and the break was added to prevent that. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
::Cool beans. --'''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 00:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

== "More than on is not notable" ==

I agree that if two random Pokémon had the same BST, it wouldn't be notable. However, Durant and Heatmor are rivals, like Zangoose and Seviper, so it ''would'' be noticable. The Seviper and Zangoose pages do the same thing. They say "Seviper and its rival Zangoose share several characteristics, such as being in the Field Egg Group, residing in the same Friend Area, and being the only two Pokémon with a base stat total of 458 (which is unique to only them)."

Can I re-add it with other similarities, similarly to Zangoose and Seviper? --[[User:JoeIsCool|JoeIsCool]] ([[User talk:JoeIsCool|talk]]) 02:01, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
:I can stand by it with additional traits in common, yes. But rivals with the same BST alone isn't particularly notable. If anything, it's expected and not worth noting. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:09, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== Eelektrik ==

For the undo, I think it was fine to be there. It said to show useful info, and that might be considered useful to know, while still being related to the Pokemon topic (btw sorry if I didn't do the talk right, I don't understand it very well) --[[User:TheLegitFork|TheLegitFork]] ([[User talk:TheLegitFork|talk]]) 00:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
:You did the talkpage just fine, don't worry. Reegarding the Eelektrik edit, it's not so much that the info is harmful, just that it isn't needed. It's not really relevant to the fact that Eelektrik has not weaknesses, and will become progressively more irrelevant as newer generations come out. So is it harmful? No, not at all. But is it ''needed''? No, not really. Overall, it's just simpler to not mention it. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Okayk, I get what you'e saying. Thanks --[[User:TheLegitFork|TheLegitFork]] ([[User talk:TheLegitFork|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

== Lickitung ==

I only added that because it also said that on Aipom's Trivia section. I thought it was needed. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 22:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
:It's all right. I see it's now been removed from Aipom's page as well. Sometimes, trivia slips through the cracks, so just because its on one page doesn't necessarily mean its needed elsewhere. As a general rule, the ONLY time non-unique trivia is notable is highest stat ties and shared species names. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

== trip condulker ==

he shown to use his weapons just as good of his kind. its is ability not skill unless he was able to do something with it to be different from learning.

ability is to be born with
skill is to learn something new like he was able to use it to hit back the stone edge thats a skill
--[[User:Terryberry94|Terryberry94]] ([[User talk:Terryberry94|talk]]) 02:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:I am well aware of the difference between an ability and a skill, thank you. However, your grammar leaves much to be desired and that was the reason your edit was reverted. I strongly suggest you work on sentence structure as you continue editing. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

So why did you put skill not ability
Its should be "he able to use his weapons to swing back the stone edge as shown to be improsive skill"--[[User:Terryberry94|Terryberry94]] ([[User talk:Terryberry94|talk]]) 02:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Also I have promblem of speech please don't make fun of me
The thing to me when say and type at the same type looks ok to me even though I reread it I'm soory--[[User:Terryberry94|Terryberry94]] ([[User talk:Terryberry94|talk]]) 02:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:Because I reverted your edit. I simply restored the page to the way it was before. The additional sentence isn't necessary and as for changing the word skill to ability, well, that could be argued as well. I'm disinclined to use ability here since 1. Ability has a completely separate meaning in the world of Pokemon, and 2. having the weapon and being to use it effectively are two entirely separate things. To say it wields the weapon with skill is more or less the same as pointing out specific example. It's fine the way it is. Also, I am not making fun of you at all, and I'm sorry if you feel that way. I'm just trying to tell you that Bulbapedia prides itself on looking and sounding professional, so we ask that your edits have proper grammar. If we can't understand what you're trying to say or if the thought isn't communicated clearly, we're going to have to undo your edits. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Its should be "he able to use his weapons to swing back the stone edge as shown to be improsive skill
That's the difference since all pokemon has abilities this skill that was shown to reflect the stone edge.

Like ash frokie climbing the rock tomb a skill
Ash pikachu combination attacks shown to be great skills
I just don't understand what you mean--[[User:Terryberry94|Terryberry94]] ([[User talk:Terryberry94|talk]]) 02:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:I just don't feel like that specific example is needed. That's all. A lot of Pokemon can knock attacks back, it happens all the time. I think the sections you're referring to are for combining two moves, which isn't the case for this Pokemon. This conversation is starting to turn circular, though, so we my just have to agree to disagree on it. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 02:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

== Thanks(?) ==

Well, actually I had my point, I am new here so I was practicing. That is why I invented the new Pokemon, Banana, which is dual Fire/Grass from Generation X onward.
I just wanted to now if could do the same that everyone does.
But thank you, I guess, for telling me the purpouse of that section. [[User:Kuryn|Kuryn]] ([[User talk:Kuryn|talk]]) 06:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Kuryn

2014-08-01T06:09:12Z

Kuryn: /* Intro */ New discovery related to Banana!

Changed base power of Torterra's Leaf Storm to match the VI generation [[User:Kuryn|Kuryn]] ([[User talk:Kuryn|talk]]) 05:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Banana is a new {{type|Fire}} Pokemon [[User:Kuryn|Kuryn]] ([[User talk:Kuryn|talk]]) 05:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Steelex is the [[Height|longest]] {{type|Ground}} and {{type|Steel}} Pokémon

[[Generation X|Generation X]] onward, Banana is a dual-type [[Fire|Fire]]/[[Grass|Grass]] Pokemon [[User:Kuryn|Kuryn]] ([[User talk:Kuryn|talk]]) 06:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Kuryn

2014-08-01T05:48:16Z

Kuryn: /* Intro */ 1 2 3

User talk:Kuryn

2014-08-01T05:27:08Z

Kuryn: /* Intro */

Changed base power of Torterra's Leaf Storm to match the VI generation [[User:Kuryn|Kuryn]] ([[User talk:Kuryn|talk]]) 05:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Kuryn

2014-08-01T05:06:08Z

Kuryn: What is this for??

Changed base power of Torterra's Leaf Storm to match the VI generation

Torterra (Pokémon)

2014-08-01T05:04:16Z

Kuryn: /* By leveling up */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Torterra | type=grass | type2=ground | prevnum=388 | nextnum=390 | prev=Grotle | next=Chimchar }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Torterra |
jname=ドダイトス |
jtranslit=Dodaitosu |
tmname=Dodaitose |
ndex=389 |
sdex=003 |
abrow=054 |
obrow=141 |
typebox=1 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Ground |
species=Continent |
height-ftin=7'03" |
height-m=2.2 |
weight-lbs=683.4 |
weight-kg=310.0 |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Overgrow |
abilityd=Shell Armor |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Grass |
eggcycles=21 |
evtotal=3 |
evat=2 |
evde=1 |
expyield=236 |
oldexp=208 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=31 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=torterra |
generation=4 |
friendship=70 |
}}
'''Torterra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドダイトス''' ''Dodaitose'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Ground}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Grotle}} starting at [[level]] 32. It is the final form of {{p|Turtwig}}.

==Biology==
Torterra is a bulky quadruped Pokémon resembling a tortoise, with a large shell covering its back. There is a single, oak-like tree and three triangular, stony extensions resembling mountain peaks on the top of the shell. There is a patch of brown, resembling soil, next to the tree. A white rim surrounds the shell, and forms a diamond-shaped continuation on the front. Torterra's body appears sectioned, with the upper half being green and the lower half brown. Its mouth is jagged and at the end of its snout is a dark brown beak, giving it the appearance of a snapping turtle. Its lower jaw is green and there are two large spikes protruding from its cheeks. Torterra's small, red eyes are encircled by a black ring. Its legs are thick and they have four toes each, which appear as if they are actually jagged stones. There are three toes on the front and one on the heel.

Torterra's large and clean shell supports the lives of many small Pokémon, which occasionally gather and {{wp|commensalism|build their nests upon the shell}}. Some are born and spend their entire life there. Torterra migrate in search of water, creating the illusion of "moving forests". However, it is typically immobile.

==In the anime==
[[File:Paul Torterra.png|250px|thumb|left|Torterra in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Ash's Torterra]]====
Ash's Torterra debuted in ''[[DP166|The Fleeing Tower of Sunyshore!]]'' when his Grotle evolved.

====[[Paul's Torterra]]====
Torterra's debut appearance in the anime was in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training]]'', where it was revealed to be [[Paul]]'s [[starter Pokémon]]. It later helped [[Ash's Grotle]] cope with its reduced {{stat|Speed}} in ''[[DP100|Aiding the Enemy]]''.

====Other====
Torterra's first movie appearance was in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', belonging to a {{pkmn|Coordinator}} named [[Maury]]. It battled against [[Ash's Pikachu]], and also tried to stop {{OBP|Darkrai|M10}}.

===Minor appearances===
A Torterra appeared in [[Alexa]]'s magazine in ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]].''

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP040|Torterra|Ash's Pokédex|Torterra, the Continent Pokémon. Torterra is the final evolved form of {{p|Turtwig}}. Sometimes small Pokémon will gather to make their nests on Torterra's back.}}
{{Animedexbody|DP166|Torterra|Dawn's Pokédex|Torterra, the Continent Pokémon. Its large back and sanitary nature offer an ideal place for smaller Pokémon to build their nests.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Tru Torterra.png|thumb|Torterra in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Tru}}
In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{adv|Diamond}}'s {{p|Grotle}}, [[Tru]], evolved into a Torterra in [[Veilstone City]] alongside {{adv|Pearl}}'s [[Chimler]].

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
Torterra is the final form of {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}'s [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Turtwig}}. It made it debut in this form in ''[[DPA24|Hareta's Heart's Desire]]'', where it was easily beaten by [[Koya]]'s {{p|Absol}}.

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
Torterra appeared in ''[[PMDP07|Entry into Trainers' School!]]''.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Torterra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=grass
|type2=ground
|gen=4
|diamonddex=Small Pokémon occasionally gather on its unmoving back to begin building their nests.
|pearldex=Groups of this Pokémon migrating in search of water have been mistaken for "moving forests."
|platinumdex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|hgssdex=Ancient people imagined that beneath the ground, a gigantic Torterra dwelled.
|bwdex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|b2w2dex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|xdex=Ancient people imagined that beneath the ground, a gigantic Torterra dwelled.
|ydex=Small Pokémon occasionally gather on its unmoving back to begin building their nests.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=grass|type2=ground}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black|v2=White|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] from the [[List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Turtwig|Global Link event]] {{p|Turtwig}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] from the [[List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Turtwig|Global Link event]] {{p|Turtwig}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y|t=fff|area=[[Poké Transporter]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]]
|md2=[[Starter Pokémon]] [[Mystifying Forest]] (B1-B13) [[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]] Advanced Mode A & S
|ranger3=[[Rand's House]]
|pokepark=[[Meadow Zone]]
|rumble2=Desert: [[Sunny Seashore]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=grass|type2=ground}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Pokémon Center 15th Anniversary Torterra|Japanese|Japan|100|June 5 to 11, 2013; July 3 to 7, 2013|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Torterra}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=grass
|type2=ground
|event1=Choice Band|event1type=In-battle effect item|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass|
type2=ground |
HP= 95 |
Attack= 109 |
Defense=105 |
SpAtk= 75 |
SpDef= 85 |
Speed= 56 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|type2=Ground
|Speed=1
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Grass|
type2=Ground|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 400 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
ground=yes|
newelectric=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wood Hammer|Grass|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|130|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM96|Nature Power|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}} {{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}|Grassy Terrain|Grass|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}} {{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|273|Seedot}} {{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}} {{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}}{{MSP|497|Serperior}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}{{MSP|708|Phantump}} {{MSP|709|Trevenant}}|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|444|Gabite}}{{MSP|445|Garchomp}}|Sand Tomb|Ground|Physical|35|85|15||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Spit Up|Normal|Special|—|100|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Stockpile|Normal|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Swallow|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}} {{MSP|246|Larvitar}}{{MSP|247|Pupitar}}{{MSP|248|Tyranitar}}{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}} {{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Frenzy Plant|Grass|Special|150|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Grass Pledge|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Torterra|Grass|Ground|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
type2=ground |
ndex=389 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Grass |
assist2=Grass |
field2=Tackle |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It attacks by scattering leaves and shooting seeds. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Grass |
assist3=Grass |
field3=Tackle |
field3power=4 |
browser3=It shoots leaves and grows vines to attack. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=4|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=4|
rumble2speed=3|
Pad=Torterra came to see the [[Meadow Zone]]. His favorite Attraction is {{DL|Attractions|Rhyperior's Bumper Burn}}! |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|pictype=art
|no1=387
|name1=Turtwig
|type1-1=Grass
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 18}}
|no2=388
|name2=Grotle
|type1-2=Grass
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 32}}
|no3=389
|name3=Torterra
|type1-3=Grass
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
type2=ground|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=389|
name=Torterra|
}}
====Other sprites====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size: 80%; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{grass color}};"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{grass color light}}; width:160px"| [[File:Spr 4p Torterra intro.png]]
|-
| Platinum intro's sprite
|}

==Trivia==
* Torterra shares its [[species]] name with {{p|Groudon}}. They are both known as the Continent Pokémon.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Torterra.
* Torterra has the lowest {{stat|Speed}} base stat of all fully-evolved [[starter Pokémon]].
* Torterra is the [[List of Pokémon by weight|heaviest]] {{type|Grass}} Pokémon and fully-evolved [[starter Pokémon]].
* When walking to the right in [[Amity Square]], Torterra's sprite shows the left side of Torterra, which is the opposite of how it should appear.

===Origin===
{{Bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Turtwig, Grotle and Torterra}}
Torterra has aspects of a {{wp|Chelydridae|snapping turtle}} and an ''{{wp|Ankylosaurus}}'', a species of armored dinosaur. It may also be based upon the {{wp|World Turtle}}s in various mythologies that carry worlds upon their backs, or perhaps the {{wp|Black Tortoise}} of various Asian myths. It also may be based on the ''{{wp|Cultural depictions of turtles and tortoises#Japan|minogame}}''.

====Name origin====
Torterra is a combination of ''tortoise'' and ''terra'' (Latin for ''ground''). ''Terra'' may also refer to ''{{wp|terrapin}}s''. It also bears similarity to ''{{wp|tuatara}}'' (a type of lizard) and ''{{wp|totara}}'' (a type of tree), both native to {{pmin|New Zealand}}.

Dodaitose may be a combination of 土 ''do'' (earth or ground), 大 ''dai'' (large), and ''tortoise''. It may also involve 土台 ''dodai'' ({{wp|Foundation (engineering)|foundation}}).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=grass|type2=ground
|ja= ドダイトス ''Dodaitose''|jameaning=From {{tt|土 ''do''|earth or ground}}, {{tt|大 ''dai''|large}}, {{tt|土台 ''dodai''|foundation}} and ''tortoise''
|fr=Torterra|frmeaning=Same as English name
|es=Torterra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Chelterrar|demeaning=From {{tt|''Chelonia''|Greek for turtle}} and ''{{tt|terra|Latin for 'earth'}}''
|it=Torterra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=토대부기 ''Todaebugi''|komeaning=From {{tt|토 (土)''to''|Earth}}, {{tt|대 (大)''dae''|large}}, and {{tt|거북이 ''geobugi''|turtle}}. Also involves {{tt|토대 ''todae''|foundation}}.
|zh_cmn=土台龜 / 土台龟 ''Tǔtáiguī''|zh_cmnmeaning=Can be taken as "Earth terrace tortoise".

}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Ash's Torterra]]
* [[Paul's Torterra]]
* [[Tru]]

==External links==
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