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Talk:Legendary giants/Archive 1

2016-08-10T15:37:17Z

Kookamooka: /* Why Titans and not Golems? */ new section

==Weird Mother 3 connection?==

Does anyoen think that the Regi Trio look very similar to the Barrier Trio from Mother 3? They're a trio of 3 golems with dots for eyes. I'm not sure where to even discuss this, as it would be Mother 3 paying homage to Pokemon. But it's such a weird thing to make an homage to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj50eK4Qcx8

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Are they really called that? I've only heard them referred to as "The regis"-Birdboy2000

They are golems, that's correct. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 03:10, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I dunno, I call them '''Gits'''. Each one of thier nicknames on my Sapphire has a profanity because of how stressed I got trying to capture them. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

The beings they were designed to resemble were the mythical Golems, which have little relation to {{p|Golem}}. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 10:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've heard them referred to as the Llegendary Trashcans and the Regis. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 10:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

For the sake of argument, I'll mention now that ''rex'' and ''regis'' are '''both''' singular in Latin. (However, ''rex'' is nominative, ''regis'' is genitive.) The nominative plural is ''reges''. (If you've ever wondered why the plural and possessive as so similar in English, well, same thing applies here. Blame the Proto-Indo-Europeans.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 13:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== About Area Leader Axley ==

Hey, that was a brilliant observation. I think it's possible that Flygon is there because one of its pre-evolved forms can learn {{m|Dig}} by leveling up. Remember Dig is also needed in the [[Sealed Chamber]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rephrasing ==

The line "Unlike previous trios, the golems share much more similar names, ''at the cost'' of having their types be estranged from the standard..." is somewhat odd. How does having similar names cost them their potential types? How is Regifire and Regilectricity hard to do? Besides, the Regis are golems. Golems are constructs of materials by humans and somehow magically animated. I can't see anyone stacking fire (well, Diablo II did) or electricity into a golem... rock, ice and steel are much more conventional building blocks, as each are used in the construction of buildings. The lake trio doesn't fall under the standard types for trios either, but they don't have any cost associated with their names. I just find it wierd is all... --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 04:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, they were pretty much the first trio to have their types not the (then) standard Fire/Electric/Water-Ice, and the first trio whose names were similar. In fact... they're the ''only'' trio to do that. It's not the fact that their names cost them their types, it's just that their names are more similar, however, unlike the others, their types aren't the Gen I/II pattern. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 11:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Which means that the phrasing of sentence needs to be revised, since there is no direct correlation between the two facts; both are simply examples of diverging from previous trios. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres are similar names; they each contain a Latin whole number in sequence, corresponding to its order in the Pokédex. I guess you can't really say they diverge from the norm since they were the originals, but the name and type differences of the Regis is really just a reference to their being golems, not one as a result of the other. I just think this line needs to be rewritten, but I'm not sure how to do so without just saying something to the effect of "Unlike the previous trios, the golems share more similar names and their types diverge from the standard..." --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 15:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I have already rewritten it as follows: "Unlike previous trios, the golems share much more similar names; additionally, their types are estranged from the standard Fire, Water/Ice and Electric trio." --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 15:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Their types diverge from the standard? The birds are ice, electric and fire. The beasts types diverge 33% from the "standard" only using electric and fire again. Regis have 66% different types used, only repeating ice. Where is the standard there? I only see a standard of changing a type or 2 as to get different combinations every generation instead of using the same three types over and over. [[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 21:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Besides they probably are that type to be more similar to the real golems. Both are made out of durable, hard, common materials.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== regigigas ==

in regigigas' pokedex entry, it states that it is made from rocks, ice, and ''magma''!
i don't see registeel being made out of magma!- ''unsigned comment from {{u|vik0z0z}} ([[User talk:vik0z0z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/vik0z0z|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Who said anything about involving the other regis in that?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::And doesn't magma have melted metal in it? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 16:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

==about the individual chambers in RSE==
Do the requirements to unlock each individual regi change between the different games? I'm replaying Ruby right now, and in order to unlock Regice, I had to wait two minutes for the chamber to open. With Registeel, I used fly not flash. And with Regirock, I had to take two steps ''right'', two down and use strength instead of rock smash. Is this a difference between Ruby/Sapphire with Emerald. There was the whole reversal of Relicanth and Wailord mentioned in the trivia section. [[User:Inspyre|Inspyre]] 16:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:The steps to open the chambers are different in Emerald than in RS, yes. It states the different steps on the respective chamber's articles. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"The trio can be caught in Pokémon Platinum, where a remixed version of the music used in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald is played. There are three other instances in the main series that a legendary trio or one of its members can be caught in a place that is not their native region (one of the legendary beasts can be caught in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, the legendary birds are available for capture in Platinum, roaming Sinnoh, and Moltres is available for capture in Johto's Mt. Silver)."

Shouldn't Latios and Latias in Kanto and the weather trio in Johto (both in HG/SS) be mentioned as well? --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Oops, I guess Latios and Latias wouldn't fit into the whole "trio" thing. How silly of me. --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==Emerald Encounters==
Shouldn't it be written how you encounter them in Pokemon Emerald since how they are encountered in Ruby/Sapphire and how they are encountered in Emerald are completely different. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 23:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Statue types. ==

I placed:'(the only Pokémon types of which statues can be made)' on the page right after the mentioning of the types (see history please). But it was removed as it has nothing to do with the rest of the article? Does anyone of you know where to place this line: 'their types are the only Pokémon types of which statues can be made'? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 23:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:Thinking about it some more, I'm not even sure I'd agree that it's even factually accurate. You claim that they're the ''only'' types of which statues can be made, but after all, {{wp|topiary}} is basically the art of making grass statues, and clay (which is used to make {{wp|terracotta}} statues) is usually associated with the Ground type, which doesn't have a corresponding golem. And if you'd like to offer an attempt at arguing that it's possible to make a statue out of "normal", be my guest. (Yeah, I know Regigigas isn't included in this article, but it's part of the scope of the topic and really deserves to be included about as much as Keldeo deserves to be part of the Swords of Justice article. But I digress; that's a discussion for another day.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
The regi made of clay wouldn't have the name 'Regiground' as it is not ground in its most 'typical' form, so it would be 'Regiclay'. And 'Regigrass' would not be able to exist as an ancient golem, as it would rot. And Regigigas, yeah... ...the normal type can mean many different things, sometimes it is able to make a statue from and sometimes not. My conclusion is: those types are the only types you could make a statue from in its most 'TYPICAL' form AND can be a statue for FOREVER. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

== Why should it be moved? ==

I see no reason for this page to be moved to "Legendary Titans."

I've never heard of them being called that.

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't read the entire thing. Ignore this.
[[User:Angry Weasel|Angry Weasel]] ([[User talk:Angry Weasel|talk]]) 17:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

== Why Titans and not Golems? ==

Can someone direct me to the discussion about moving this page to Legendary Titans? I've only ever heard them referred as the Regi Trio or the Legendary Golems, where's the source for "titans"? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] ([[User talk:Kookamooka|talk]]) 15:37, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Pokémon Champion

2013-10-24T21:52:55Z

Kookamooka: /* In the games */

{{incomplete|needs=in the anime and in the manga information}}
[[File:Champion Room B2W2.png|frame|right|A Champion's Room, where Trainers may defeat the Champion and win the Pokémon League]]
A '''Pokémon League Champion''' (Japanese: '''リーグ{{tt|優勝者|ゆうしょうしゃ}}''' ''League Champion''), normally referred to as simply '''Champion''' or '''Pokémon Champion''' (Japanese: '''チャンピオン''' ''Champion''), is the highest known level of rank for a [[Pokémon Trainer]]. The title is also colloquially referred to as '''League Champ''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンリーグのちょうてん''' ''Pokémon League's Greatest'').

It usually refers to a Trainer who has completed a [[Pokémon League]] by collecting all the necessary [[Badge]]s, and either winning a regional Pokémon tournament or defeating the [[Elite Four]] and the previous Pokémon Champion (if there is one). There is usually only one Pokémon Champion per region at a time. [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] share a Champion, while other regions have their own. If a Champion is defeated, they must relinquish their title to the victor; however, the victor can refuse the title, as [[N]] did in {{game|Black and White|s}}. It is assumed that the Champion must defend their title against challengers, although this is never explicitly stated.

==In the games==
Champion is a [[Trainer class]] that first debuted in the [[Generation I]] {{pkmn|games}}. It is the title held by the Trainer who last defeated the [[Elite Four]] and the previous Pokémon Champion. Each Champion is always stronger than the Elite Four members and most other Trainers, and has a party of six Pokémon to test their opponents' strength. To challenge the Champion, Trainers must defeat all four Elite Four members without leaving the Pokémon League area, and cannot access the Pokémon League [[Pokémon Center]] and [[Poké Mart]] until after defeating the Champion or losing at any point during the challenge. If a challenger is defeated by the Champion, just like the Elite Four, they are sent back to the Pokémon League and must start over.

Since in every [[main series]] game the player goes on to defeat the standing Champion, every [[player character]] could be considered a Champion. However, for players, becoming the Champion is mostly a symbolic honor, as they are unable to battle challengers or take up any other league duties. In addition, the former Champion will still remain at the [[Pokémon League]], retaining the title of Pokémon Champion.

In {{2v2|Black|White}}, Cynthia tells the player that once every few years, the Champions from all the regions come together and battle to find the strongest among them. In the [[Pokémon World Tournament]] in {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, which takes place 2 years later, all the Champions the player battles in previous games participate in the [[Champions Tournament]].

The following are known Champions in the games:

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #88a; border: 5px solid #88a"
|-
! colspan = "3" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Indigo League}}
! colspan = "2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Hoenn League}}
! rowspan = "2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Sinnoh League}}
! colspan = "2" style="background:#{{unova color light}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Unova League}}
! rowspan = "2" style="background:#{{kalos color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{kalos color dark}}|Kalos League}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation I|Gen I}}{{color|{{kanto color dark}}| and }}{{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation III|III}}
| style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Generation II|Gen II}}{{color|{{johto color dark}}| and }}{{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Generation IV|IV}}
| style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Storyline}}{{tt|*|Player character in Generations I and III; former Champion in Generations II, IV and V}}
| style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby and Sapphire}}
| style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
| style="background:#{{unova color light}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| style="background:#{{unova color light}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black 2 and White 2}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
| {{color2|000|Lance|Lance}}
| {{color2|000|Red (game)|Red}}
| {{color2|000|Steven Stone|Steven}}
| {{color2|000|Wallace|Wallace}}
| {{color2|000|Cynthia|Cynthia}}
| {{color2|000|Alder|Alder}}
| {{color2|000|Iris|Iris}}
| {{color2|000|Diantha|Diantha}}
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Blue.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Lance.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Red.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Steven.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Wallace.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Cynthia.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Alder.png]]
| style="background:#fff" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Iris.png]]
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" |
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Virgil Winning.png|right|thumb|[[Virgil]] being awarded as Unova's Champion]]
The path to becoming Champion differs between the anime and the games. In the anime, instead of fighting the Elite Four, there is a [[Pokémon League Conference|tournament]] among accomplished Trainers; however, [[Lucian]] [[DP035|mentioned]] that the winner of the Sinnoh League has the opportunity to battle the Elite Four and their Champion. Even an Elite Four member can usurp the Champion by battling them.

The following are the Champions known in the anime:

{| style="float:left; background: #{{alder color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{cynthia color}}"
! Name
! Hometown
! League
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Lance]]
| [[Blackthorn City]]
| [[Indigo League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Jon Dickson]]
| [[Sento Cherry Town]]
| [[Silver Conference]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| {{ho|Tyson}}
| [[Mauville City]]
| [[Ever Grande Conference]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| {{si|Tobias}}
|
| [[Lily of the Valley Conference]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Virgil]]
|
| [[Vertress Conference]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| {{oi|Captain}}
|
| [[Orange League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| {{OBP|Drake|Orange League}}
| [[Pummelo Island]]
| [[Orange League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Ash Ketchum]]
| [[Pallet Town]]
| [[Orange League]] and {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|III}}
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Cynthia]]
| [[Celestic Town]]
| [[Sinnoh League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Wallace]]
| [[Sootopolis City]]
| [[Hoenn League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Alder]]
| [[Floccesy Town]]
| [[Unova League]]
|}{{-}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:PS265.png|thumb|right|Wallace wearing the "Champion's Cloak"]]
In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, the Champion of each region is the winner of an elimination tournament held every three years in each region. In the {{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}}, it was the determined that the winners of each tournament would have to face the [[Elite Four]] before challenging the Champion. The main characters that took part in a Pokémon League tournament so far are {{adv|Blue}}, {{adv|Green}}, {{adv|Black}}, and {{adv|Red}}—who won it and became a Champion.

The following are the known Champions in the Pokémon Adventures manga:

{| style="float:left; background: #{{alder color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{cynthia color}}"
! Name
! League
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| {{adv|Professor Oak}}
| First Triennial [[Indigo League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| {{adv|Red}}
| Ninth Triennial [[Indigo League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Steven Stone]]
| [[Hoenn League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Wallace]]
| [[Hoenn League]], awarded by {{Steven}}
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Cynthia]]
| [[Sinnoh League]]
|- style="background: #FFF;"
| [[Alder]]
| [[Unova League]]
|}{{-}}

==Trivia==
* The player has always met the Champion before challenging the Elite Four.
* In French localizations, Gym Leader is ''Champion'', while Champion is ''Maître'', meaning "master".
* The Sinnoh League is the only League that has only one known Champion (besides the {{player}}).

==In other languages==
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|de=Champ
|el=Πρωταθλητής
|es=Campeón / Campeona
|fi=Mestari
|fr=Maître
|it=Campione
|ja=チャンピオン
|ko=챔피언 ''Champion''
|pl=Czempion
|nl=Kampioen
|pt=Campeão / Campeã
|zh_cmn=冠軍 ''Guànjūn''
|ro=Campion
}}

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{{Champions}} 
{{TrainerNav|Alder|kanto=yes|johto=yes|hoenn=yes|sinnoh=yes|unova=yes|kalos=yes}}
{{League}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice|tc}}

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[[Category:Champions|*]]
[[Category:Trainer classes]]

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Talk:Grant

2013-07-14T19:01:09Z

Kookamooka: /* Name Origin */

Kuro means black/dark
Dark Type Gym Leader, Everybody wants this! D: {{unsigned|Franztrovao}}
:Sounds a lot like speculation. Unless you get a reliable source confirming this, we can't say he's going to specialize in the Dark-type. {{unsigned|Marked +-+-+}} 14:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
::It's a speculation. '-'--[[User:Franztrovao|FranzLiszt]] ([[User talk:Franztrovao|talk]]) 17:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Gender ==

Why is his gender classified as unknown? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 17:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
:Because Zakuro could be a woman. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
::I noticed that the gender has been changed to female, and I definitely disagree with that. Like anything else, if we don't know something, especially when it's clear that it's not universally agreed upon, we shouldn't assume or speculate. It should stay as unknown. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:35, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
:::With the amount of bishonen character designs, the gender could very well be male. The image isn't clear enough to determine a gender, so until we receive official confirmation, it would be best for the gender to remain undetermined. [[User:Trak Nar|Trak Nar]] ([[User talk:Trak Nar|talk]]) 07:03, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Zakuro is really a guy based on the Corocoro magazine-- ~~XY6~~July 12, 2013
:Exactly how? Also, "Zakuro" is a completely female-exclusive name.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
The official website avoids using any gender specific pronouns, so I think we should definitely keep it as unknown for now. -[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 16:26, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
:The official ''English'' site doesn't. As other European languages rely more heavily on genders, from the French page I've deduced that Grant is male. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Infinite redirects ==

For some reason, the Grant page keeps on becoming a redirect page of itself and is constantly taking me there. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 15:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

Assuming he's a Rock-type gym leader (he is a rock climber with gems in his hair) I'd say his name comes from granite. I'd argue that's more plausible than pomegranite (he's definitely not a grass-type leader). [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] ([[User talk:Kookamooka|talk]]) 00:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
:Pomegranate has nothing to do with types. Characters in the Japanese versions are named after plants. Since Clemont has "lemon" in it and Viola keeps her Japanese name, it's obvious that they are trying to keep the theme, sort of. Granite is likely, but until we know his specialized type, we can't just assume the origin. It'll be added once we know it. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:29, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
::Ooh I didn't notice the fruit theme. Fair enough! [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] ([[User talk:Kookamooka|talk]]) 19:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Grant

2013-07-14T00:15:53Z

Kookamooka: /* Name Origin */

Talk:Grant

2013-07-14T00:15:39Z

Kookamooka: /* Name Origin */ new section

Talk:Pancham (Pokémon)

2013-06-18T22:12:59Z

Kookamooka: /* Pancham name origin */ new section

Could someone find a not squashed image?[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 10:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
:The image isn't really squashed; it's updating itself with a new version and it hasn't synched up yet. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Movie Reference ==

Could it be based on Kung Fu Panda? --[[User:Pikalup|~Pikalup~]] ([[User talk:Pikalup|talk]]) 16:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

No. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 17:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Really? It's a fighting panda. It hints to that movie at least --[[User:Pikalup|~Pikalup~]] ([[User talk:Pikalup|talk]]) 17:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Fighting pandas are common in popular media. If I recall correctly, there was a WoW class based on a panda. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 17:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
:Or it could relate to China in general, which is known for it's martial arts. Either way, the answer is no. It doesn't even look like Po outside of just being a panda. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

In China, panda had not known with martial arts until Western culture pass on.

Panda is famous for its lazy and bamboo in China.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 15:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC))

== Change panda to giant panda in the origin section ==

Theres the {{wp|red panda}}, too. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== New Move ==

Yanchamu was revealed to have a new move called Parting Remark. Should that be added? [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
:Not yet, we need to know how it learns Parting Remark but I think that we should make a page for it [[User:Cafeolay|Cafeolay]] ([[User talk:Cafeolay|talk]]) 23:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Yanchamu Into Pancham ==

At the top of the Pokémon info box, Pancham is still referred to as Yanchamu in both English and Japanese. In Japanese, it ''is'' Yanchamu, but it should say ''Pancham'' in the English section. Could someone please change this? Thank you! --[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 15:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Name origin? ==

Could the 'Panch' part also possibly come from 'punch', since it's Fighting Type? Also, should we mention something about the French name having more than 10 letters (it's the first Pokemon that's been announced with more than 10)? Or that its German name has a non alphabetical character in it (the '-' in Pam-Pam)? [[User:Magentafeelings|Magentafeelings]] ([[User talk:Magentafeelings|talk]]) 22:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== French name origin ==
I'd like to point out that the french name Pandespiègle comes from "panda" + "espiègle" (which translates to playful, rascal, impish, etc.) [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 05:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== French name. ==

Didn't international games have like 10 character limit on nicknames (and 5 for japanese)? Or French have longer limit since earlier? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 13:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

== Pancham name origin ==

Panda + Punch 'em. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] ([[User talk:Kookamooka|talk]]) 22:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Nate (game)

2012-06-10T10:53:14Z

Kookamooka:

{{Unknown name}}
{{Upcoming notice}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{black 2 color}} |
corecolor={{black 2 color light}} |
bordercolor={{black 2 color dark}} |
name=Black2|
jname=ブラック２ |
tmname=Black2 |
text=white |
slogan=no |
image=Black 2 White 2 Male Protagonist.png |
size=200px |
caption=Official artwork from {{2v2|Black|White|2}} |
gender=Male |
colors=yes |
eyes=Brown |
hair=Brown |
hometown=[[Aspertia City]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Player character]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|V}} |
games=[[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black 2, White 2]] |

anime=no|
gameanim=yes|
pv=yes|
pvnum=Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Special Introduction Movie|
pvname=Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Special Introduction Movie|
envagame=N/A |
javagame=Miyu Irino |
}}

(Japanese: '''ブラック２''' ''Black2'') is the male [[player character]] in {{game|Black and White|s|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|2}}. He is the male counterpart to [[White2]].

==In the games==
===As the protagonist===
Black2 is a young boy living in [[Aspertia City]] with his childhood friend [[Hihihiroshi]]. At the start of the game, he sets off with Hihihiroshi to collect his first Pokémon. They then go their separate ways and he starts his journey across the [[Unova]] region.


{{-}}
{{Player characters}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Playable characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Black 2 and White 2 characters]]

[[de:Schwarz 2 (Spielcharakter)]]

Ethan (game)

2012-06-10T10:51:13Z

Kookamooka: /* Trivia */

{{redirect|Hibiki|the [[character of the day]] in [[EP169|Beauty and the Breeder]]|Zane}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{gold color}} |
corecolor={{gold color light}} |
bordercolor={{gold color dark}} |
name=Ethan |
jname=ヒビキ |
tmname=Hibiki |
slogan=no |
image=HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[New Bark Town]] |
region=[[Johto]] |
relatives=[[Mom]] (as player) [[Day-Care Couple|Grandparents]], unnamed father (as NPC)|
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Player character]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|II}}, {{gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]] |
leader=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart={{jo|Jimmy}}, Ethan ([[M13]])|
epnum=The Legend of Thunder! |
epname=The Legend of Thunder! |
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Gold}} |
roundnum=PS091 |
roundname=Murkrow Row
}}
'''Ethan''' (Japanese: '''ヒビキ''' ''Hibiki'') is the main {{player|playable character}} in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} and is the male choice in {{game|Crystal}}, {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. In Crystal, his female counterpart is {{ga|Kris}}, while in HeartGold and SoulSilver his female counterpart is {{ga|Lyra}}.

He is a caring young boy who lives with his mother in [[New Bark Town]]. He had no official name in Generation II, but was unofficially known by fans as '''Gold''' (Japanese: '''ゴールド''' ''Gold''). He was also given the name '''Heart''' (Japanese: '''ハート''' ''Heart'') by many fans.

==Storyline in the games==
===When selected as the player character===
Ethan's journey as a {{pkmn|Trainer}} begins when [[Professor Elm]] asks him to run an errand for [[Mr. Pokémon]], who lives north of [[Cherrygrove City]] on {{rt|30|Johto}}. Because he may encounter dangerous [[wild Pokémon]] along the way, Elm gives him a choice between three Pokémon to protect him: {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Totodile}} or {{p|Chikorita}}.

Ethan spots another boy his age watching Elm's Lab from outside. When Ethan tries to talk to him, the boy abruptly shoves him away. This boy, {{ga|Silver}}, will become Ethan's rival, analogous to {{ga|Blue}} in [[Generation I]].

Ethan continues onward and finally meets Mr. Pokémon and completes his errand. While there he meets [[Professor Oak]] who, upon realizing Ethan's bond with his new Pokémon, gives him a [[Pokédex]]. On his way back home, Ethan again meets Silver, who has stolen one of Elm's remaining Pokémon. After defeating the boy in battle, Ethan learns his name from his dropped {{ga|Trainer card}}, and relays it to the police in New Bark Town. Professor Elm allows Ethan to keep the Pokémon he chose earlier, and also encourages him to compete in the [[Johto League]].

Ethan begins on a Pokémon journey in the [[Johto]] [[region]], facing off against its eight [[Gym Leader]]s, defeating and disbanding the revived [[Team Rocket]], and becoming [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]] by defeating the [[Elite Four]] and its previous Champion, [[Lance]] at [[Indigo Plateau]]. Along the way he also teaches Silver to respect Pokémon as living creatures and not just as tools for battle.

After being declared the Pokémon League Champion, Ethan then journeys by [[S.S. Aqua|ship]] from [[Olivine City]] to [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]]. Traveling around that region, he battles against another set of eight Gym Leaders. Upon getting permission from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]], Ethan heads for [[Mt. Silver]] via {{rt|28|Kanto}}. His journey comes to a close when, deep in Mt. Silver's cave, he faces the Champion from Pallet Town, Pokémon Trainer {{ga|Red}}, who had been training there since shortly after he became Pokémon League Champion [[Generation I|three]] [[Generation III|years prior]].

===When not selected as the player character===
In {{game|Crystal}}, if {{ga|Kris}} is selected, then the male player character will not appear in the game at all (although his sprite will be used in a link battle with another game from Generation II).

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, if {{ga|Lyra}} is selected to be the player character, Ethan meets her in [[New Bark Town]] at the start of the game. In this particular scene, he is seen with a {{p|Marill}}. He will always have Marill even if another [[starter Pokémon]] is selected. In addition, he doesn't appear to take the remaining starter Pokémon. His role in the storyline of HeartGold and SoulSilver is similar to that of {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} if they are not chosen as the player character, while Lyra takes this place if he is selected as the player. He teaches the player how to catch Pokémon on {{rt|29|Johto}} (replacing the [[Dude]] from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}).

While playing as Lyra, his grandparents run the [[Pokémon Day Care]] on {{rt|34|Johto}}. He also gives the player the [[Fashion Case]] in [[Goldenrod Tunnel]] and the [[Vs. Recorder]] on {{rt|31|Johto}}. Naturally, this role is given to Lyra if he is the player character.

{{-}}

==Pokémon==
Ethan uses this party to show the {{player}} how to catch Pokémon when {{ga|Lyra}} is selected as the player character in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

{{Party|color={{gold color}}|bordercolor={{gold color dark}}|headcolor={{gold color light}}
|sprite=HGSS Ethan Back.png‎
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Ethan
|prize=None
|game=HGSS
|location=Johto Route 29
|locationname=Route 29
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4|back=yes|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=183|pokemon=Marill|level=5|type1=Water|ability=Unknown
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Defense Curl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}

===Caught in tutorial===
{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=019
|pokemon=Rattata
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|level=2
|spritegender=male
|move1=Tail Whip|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status}}

==Artwork==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color}};"
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Crystal Ethan.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan running.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan Pokégear.png|100px]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Artwork from {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold and Silver}}
| Artwork from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Running
| Checking his {{color2|000|Pokégear}}
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan Time Capsule.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Game Freak Whitney Ethan.jpg|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Ruins of Alph.jpg|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Pokémon Gallery Encounter with Shining.png|100px]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Approaching a {{color2|000|Time Capsule}}
| Artwork from the {{color2|000|Game Freak}} website.
| In front of the {{color2|000|Ruins of Alph}}.
| Encounter with a Shining Pokémon
|}

===Sprites===
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color}};"
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:GS Ethan.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:C Ethan.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:GSC Ethan Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanGSCwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:HGSS Ethan.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:HGSS Ethan Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanChallenge.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Ethan's sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold and Silver}}
| Ethan's sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Ethan's backsprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver}}, and {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Ethan's overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver}}, and {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Ethan's sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's backsprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's VS sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanHGSSwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanTRHGSSwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:HGSS Ethan Pokéathlon Jersey.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanAthUnusedHGSSwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Ethan walking.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Ethan opening.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Spr EthanHGSSstart.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Ethan's overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's overworld sprite, when disguised as a {{tccolor|Team Rocket Grunt}} from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's {{color2|000|Pokéathlon}} sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's overworld {{color2|000|Pokéathlon}} sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's sprite from the opening of {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's VS sprite from the opening of {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| Ethan's starting sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|}
{{-}}

==Optional names for Ethan==

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"; class=expandable
|- style="background: #{{gold color}};"
! Language !! Gold !! Silver !! Crystal !! HeartGold/SoulSilver
|-
|| English
||
* Gold
* Hiro
* Taylor
* Karl
||
* Silver
* Kamon
* Oscar
* Max
||
* Chris
* Mat
* Allan
* Jon
||
*Heart
*Soul
*Ash
*Nic
*Dion
*Duncan
*Jude
*Ross
*Shea
*Darrell
*Terell
*Chris
*Brad
*Dwight
*Talon
*Lonny
*Jess
*Eric
*Chase
|-
|| Japanese
||
* ゴールド ''Gold''
* ヒロキ ''Hiroki''
* テツオ ''Tetsuo''
* タカシ ''Takashi''
||
* シルバー ''Silver''
* カモン ''Kamon''
* トオル ''Tōru''
* マサオ ''Masao''
||
* クリス ''Chris''
* ヨウスケ ''Yōsuke''
* タケヒロ ''Takehiro''
* タカオ ''Takao''
||
* ハート ''Heart''
* ソウル ''Soul''
* サトシ ''Satoshi''
* ケン ''Ken''
* カケル ''Kakeru''
* ジャック ''Jack''
* ジャン ''Jean''
* ジョン ''John''
* カモン ''Kamon''
* タカシ ''Takashi''
* テツオ ''Tetsuo''
* トオル ''Tōru''
* ヒロキ ''Hiroki''
* マサオ ''Masao''
* タカオ ''Takao''
* タケヒロ ''Takehiro''
* トウゴ ''Tōgo''
* ヒトシ ''Hitoshi''
* ヨシナオ ''Yoshinao''
|-
|| French
||
* Gold
* Julien
* Jean
* Jacques
||
* Silver
* Daniel
* Pierre
* Paul
||
* Chris
* Benji
* Nicolas
* Jean
||
*''Heart''
*''Soul''
*''Allane''
*''Damien''
*''Daniel''
*''Dilan''
*''Franck''
*''Gabriel''
*''Greg''
*''Gurvan''
*''Kamel''
*''Loris''
*''Marc''
*''Max''
*''Ralph''
*''Seb''
*''Thomas''
*''Tom''
*''Zack''

|-
|| German
||
* Gold
* Daniel
* Fritz
* Karl
||
* Silber
* Thomas
* Oscar
* Hans
||
* Chris
* Arnold
* Gert
* Jon
||
*Heart
*Soul
*Berno
*Boris
*Daniel
*Gerd
*Hans
*Helge
*Jack
*Jan
*John
*Jon
*Karsten
*Rafik
*Silvio
*Thomas
*Tobit
*Ugo
*Uhland
|-
|| Italian
||
* Oro
* Paolo
* Diego
* Carlo
||
* Argento
* Luca
* Paolo
* Max
||
* Chris
* Sergio
* Giacomo
* Manuele
|-
|| Spanish
||
* Oro
* Hiro
* Tomás
* Carlos
||
* Plata
* Kamon
* Óscar
* Max
||
* Cris
* Antonio
* Álex
* Emilio
||
|-
|| Korean
||
* 골드 ''Gold''
* 수호 ''Suho''
* 인철 ''Incheol''
* 강산 ''Gangsan''
||
* 실버 ''Silver''
* 청운 ''Cheong'un''
* 지겸 ''Jigyeom''
* 찬호 ''Chanho
||
*UNAVAILABLE
||
*하트 ''Heart''
*소울 ''Soul''
*강산 ''Gangsan''
*다인 ''Dain''
*상우 ''Sang'u''
*상현 ''Sanghyeon''
*숙호 ''Sukho''
*윤호 ''Yunho''
*인철 ''Incheol''
*재범 ''Jaebeom''
*쟝 ''Jyang''
*지겸 ''Jigyeom''
*지우 ''Jiu''
*지훈 ''Jihun''
*찬호 ''Chanho''
*청운 ''Cheong'un''
*캔 ''Ken''
*케이 ''Kay''
*호진 ''Hojin''
|}

==Counterparts==
{{jo|Jimmy}} from the special episode ''[[The Legend of Thunder]]'' seems to be based on Ethan in the most basic sense, much more than {{Ash}} was based off of his counterpart, {{ga|Red}}. However, as with the other game [[player characters]], Ethan and Jimmy are not interchangeable.

Other counterparts of Ethan include {{adv|Gold}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{OBP|Gold|Golden Boys}} from the [[Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys|Golden Boys]] manga and [[Kinnosuke]] from the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga.

Ethan has a cameo appearance at the beginning of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'', in a battle against {{Ash}}. This counterpart follows Ethan's design from {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, and is actually identified as "Hibiki" (Ethan's Japanese name) in the Japanese DVD of the movie.

====Pokémon====
This is a listing of Ethan's known Pokémon in the anime:
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Ethan
|pkmn=Donphan
|type1=Ground
|img=Ethan Donphan.png
|epnum=M13
|epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions
|desc=Ethan used Donphan in a battle against Ash at the beginning of the thirteenth movie. During the battle, it fought against {{AP|Pikachu}}. It was not shown who won the battle.

Donphan's only known move is {{m|Rollout}}.}}

==Names==
{| align="left" style="background: #{{gold color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 3px solid #{{gold color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Japanese
| ヒビキ ''Hibiki''
| From 響き ''hibiki'', "sound" or "echo".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Ethan
|  {{wp|Bible|Biblically}}, Ethan/Eitan is believed to be the author of Psalm 89 and/or a {{wp|harp}} or {{wp|cymbal}} player in King David’s court.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Luth
| From ''luth'', {{wp|lute}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Klarin
| From ''Klarinette'', {{wp|clarinet}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Armonio
| From ''armonia'', harmony, or ''armonio'', {{wp|harmonium}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Eco
| From ''eco'', echo.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 심향 ''Simhyang''
| From 심 (心) ''sim'', heart, and 響 (향) ''hyang'', echo.
|} 

==Trivia==
* Other than [[Black2]], Ethan is the only male player character who does not wear long pants, instead opting for shorts in Gold and Silver and knickerbockers in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* Ethan is the only male player character to have two different female counterparts.
* The majority of his Japanese default names from {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} are shared with {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Lucas}}. The same holds true for their {{ga|Lyra|respective}} {{ga|Leaf|female}} {{ga|Dawn|counterparts}}.
* A 1997 pamphlet describing {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} mentions that the protagonist has a brother three years his senior, and seems to imply the possibility of that brother being the {{ga|Red|first-generation protagonist}}. However, this aspect of his character was discarded by the time of the final release, as Red's mother still lives in [[Pallet Town]].
* Ethan is 4'11" (1.50 m) tall and weighs 88.2 lbs (40 kg).

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Talk:Badge

2012-06-09T21:25:35Z

Kookamooka: /* Trio Badge = Bowtie */

== Badge Names/Spacing ==

For the record, is it "Boulderbadge" or "Boulder Badge"? Also, I figure listing what Badges do both here and in the [[Gym Leader]] page is redundant. I think it is more appropriate here. uhhh... And, how do you make it so that pages can link to individual badges within this page? Like [[ Badge#Boulder Badge ]] Is that possible? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Is it REALLY necessary to imply that the Japanese word for "badge" is different from the English word? --Ketsuban

To Ket, I think someone may have gone a bit overboard on our translation thing. ^^; And with respect to the #___Badge, yeah, I'll edit that so it's possible. And I believe the name is Boulderbadge, with no space, although this in turn is probably due to the game's character limit. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 00:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Use the <nowiki> ==== </nowiki> as the header title for all badges. And maybe debold the names of the badges? I'm not sure... And yeah, that header will allow [[Badges#Cascade Badge]] and the like. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 01:08, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

May I ask why you replaced all the japanese text with question marks? or am I just viewing the page wrong? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

It seems that multiple recent edits by people are leaving the Japanese text in pages converted to ???... --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

>Ineteresting. Is everyone doing it, or just certain users? If it's everyone, the last update may have accidentally turned of RichText . . . Or at least that's what happened before on a messageboard where this same problem occured.

- Zeta

== Hoenn/Shin'ō Badges ==

Does anyone know where the Kanto and Johto badges' images came from, or who made them? I think it would look a lot better if we had something like that for the other two regions... I mean, if anyone has some drawing skill and can draw out the Hoenn badges, then digitally color them like the other ones, that'd be a good substitute for that anime screenshot... Same for the Shin'ō ones, if we get their colors ahead of time... Depends on how fast we get through Shin'ō in the anime, though, I'd suppose. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

----
From the adapted Chapter Books: [http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/102-2574885-0064955?ie=UTF8&p=S004&asin=043920092X Read the excerpt], flip a page and notice Coral-Eye Badge. How canonical is that? I don't know, but really it's our only evidence. It's how we figured out it's Cissy instead of Sissy, I think. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Gymbaliar ==

Should we mention somewhere in the anime section that Jessie ran a gym for one D&P episode, and gave out at least one badge to a trainer? Whether or not its considered offical is questionable, and it was not seen, but it should be mentioned that they DID have badges.[[User:Spongemaster0|Spongemaster0]] 14:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The badge in question, I believe, was 3 of James's bottle caps glued together. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Multiple Gyms ==

I've been watching Pokémon Chronicles lately, and something in the episode where Misty takes over as Gym Leader (Cerulean Blues, I think) seems kinda relevant. The Inspectors that are busy closing down various Gyms across Kanto are reported on the news to have closed down several already. If eight badges are a requirement for entering the Indigo League, there must be at least eight still open after those closures, right? That would seem to imply that there were (prior to that episode) several extra Gyms.

Also, in the games the "Fighting Dojo" is supposed to have had Gym status, and recently lost it. Bearing in mind that Sabrina's Gym has a pretty formidable reputation, I doubt its "brand new", in which case I'd espect the Fighting Dojo and Sabrina's Gym to have run simultaneously, at least for a bit. I know the Dojo was never mentioned in the Anime, but maybe one of Gary's badges (or the other trainers') could be from there, or other similar Gyms that were closed down?

--[[User:Aiden Iakona|Aiden Iakona]] 12:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:The anime seems to work pretty clearly under the assumption that there are more than eight gyms in a region. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, in most major regions anyway. Orange Islands was an exception. That made the opposite clear, that there were only four gyms in the islands. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Badge name spacing ==

I see someone reccently changed the badge names to give them consistant spacing. But a pretty quick video search on YouTube shows me that Boulderbadge and so on was correct, and is still kept in FR/LG.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, but it's HEAT BADGE and so on in Emerald, so I think that it was always their intention to have spaces, they just didn't have room in RBYGSC and wanted to keep with tradition in RSFRLG. Emerald they spaced and DP they finally turned off caps lock. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, RS did use spaces. And FR/LG came out afterward without the spacing. Maybe it was a character limit thing, I'll look through some official uses of the terms when I can and see if they agree with you. I just thought that was worth noting.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 11:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::All I can really say is that we'll know for sure for Johto/Kanto badges with GSDS. Seeing as FRLG was a remake of RB anyway, though... I think they were just keeping with tradition. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:Weighing in, I think other forms of canon have always put a space between the words, which gives some weight to standardizing them as always spaced. I mean, granted, we usually set game canon as the one true canon, but... also, btw, RSE and FRLG weren't necessarily translated by the same people in the company, which could account for the difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the people translating FRLG were looking back at the generation I data for reference far more than the data for the other generation III games, except maybe to make sure the new items shared the same names. Badges aren't new, so why would they think to check? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

==Computers versus badges==
Does anyone else find it odd that badges/ribbons themselves serve as authentication rather than a computerized system (then again, if badges were simply for decoration and kept track of by computer, we couldn't have "badge theft" episodes)? It seems strange that there's a computerized system for transferring Pokémon over large distances but not a system for keeping track of trainer acheivements. Perhaps a note should be made of that.--[[User:Yoshi1001|Yoshi1001]] 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

At one point, just prior to his entry into the Hoenn League Ash goes through the obligatory 'Badge loss' episode and is told that he can still enter due to the records but states that he wouldn't want to without the badges, that losing them would be a major psychological blow. Now whether thats unique to the Hoenn region or not is another matter... [[User:Ricohard|Ricohard]] 03:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== League ==

Once a trainer gets 8 badges, he can participate in their respective leagues. After the League is over, can they enter the same League again the next year with the same badges or do they have to travel around again?--'''''[[User:Jmath|Jmath]] 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)'''''

== Stat raising? ==

Badges have always been meant to raise the stats of the Trainer's Pokémon. But how does that work? The Pokémon have their base stats raised, and if so by how much? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody found this yet? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thirded.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl 043 Badges==
Should we add the badges in the case awarded for Ash in his fantasy in "Malice in Wonderland", or because they were in a fantasy we should ignore them? There are a lot of different ones that aren't specific gym badges and I think we should add them or try to figure them out. [[User:Moldy orange]] 23:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:No. They don't have names. Maybe mention that a bunch appeared, but I swear some of those are old badges. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes there were some old badges, many of which Ash had. But there were of course unidentified ones such as the "Triforce" badge.[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]06:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Artwork ==

I have a book at home with the artwork of all the Sinnoh badges. Anybody want me to scan them in? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']] 17:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, it'd be good if you could make them high-quality pngs, preferably without scan artifacting like the rest lack. If I knew where we got the KOJ ones, I'd see if they had the Sinnoh ones (Hoenn's were actually done by my friend, a very faithful adaptation of the style, I would say). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, one question: How do you make a transparent background? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']] 03:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Got Photoshop/Gimp? It's pretty straightforward... just... don't fill it in! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I have PhotoShop. What do I do? I'm kinda new to this... [[User:Yinyang1195|'''HAPPY''']][[User:Yinyang1195|'''VALENTINES''']]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''DAY''']] 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/leagues/] has official Sinnoh badge artwork. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 06:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

'''Badges that appeared:'''

Kanto: Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Volcano Badge, Earth Badge

All of Johto's

Hoenn: Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, Balence Badge

Sinnoh: Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, Beacon Badge

'''Badges that didn't:(excluding Orange)'''

Kanto: Boulder Badge, Rainbow Badge

None of Johto's

Hoenn: Heat Badge, Feather Badge, Mind Badge, Rain Badge, Dynamo Badge

Sinnoh: Mine Badge

'''Similar in the case but not exact:'''

Marsh Badge

Plain Badge

Also, later when they are about to leave Mismagius, there are badges raining from the sky. Some of these are also different.

Noteworthy, maybe. If someone wants to put this in be my guest but I don't want to do it myself. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 04:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

: There's a Bagde that looks like a Rain Badge in between the Knuckle and Hive Badge...--[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 09:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Gary and Otoshi's Badges ==

Since Kanto and Johto both have the same league, wouldn't that mean that these extra badges aren't necesarily only from Kanto, but can be from Johto as well. It was proven by [[Sakura]], who was going to the Indigo League, that one does not need to get all eight from only one region, but they can get any ratio of eight throughout the two regions. So, couldn't these be from Johto as well, even though Johto didn't exist when they were seen? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Sakura didn't specify which competition she was entering. As far as we know from Ash's journey, the Kanto badges work at the Indigo Plateau and he needed to collect another eight from Johto before he could enter the Silver Conference. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Relic Badge ==

I think it may be a rosary of some sort, especially since the Hearthome Gym is a huge cathedral and the word "{{wp|relic}}" has religious or sacred connotations.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's badges ==

In the section "Gary" of the article it states "This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types" Where does this figure of fifteen come from? There were sixteen Pokemon types in Generation I; Dark was the only type not to have any Pokemon named after it (easy to find a Pokemon of each type: Rattata, Machop, Pidgey, Koffing, Sandshrew, Geodude, Caterpie, Gastly, Magnemite, Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pikachu, Alakazam, Jynx and Dratini for example). If the sentence is referring to only single-types then it would be much less than 15 as there certainly weren't any single-typed Dark, Ice or Steel Pokemon (and maybe more) in Generation I. So I think the sentence is inaccurate. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Gen1 had fifteen types. Gen2 had 17. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Steel is the other one. Magnemite changed type in Generation II, and so wasn't Steel-type in Generation I. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Marsh and Soul and Renaming, oh my! ==
So, Sabrina's badge was originally going to be the Soul Badge, because Psychickers can peer into your soul... and Koga's badge was going to be the Marsh Badge, because Poisonous fumes come from marshes and such. These were accidentally flipped in the final version, and have stuck even in Gen II and the Gen III remakes. Eevee is not Eon, and Abra is not Hocus. But we still mention that before the official release, Eevee was going to be called Eon and Abra Hocus and Kadabra Pocus and such. Why don't we mention this flip-flop then? Especially considering the fact that it was a mistake, rather than a purposeful decision? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 01:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:We have sources for unused Pokemon names. Do you have any source for the badge naming? Who says that one was supposed to be the other? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not offhand, but I could probably find some. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a discussion with NoA or PUSA at some point. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Please do. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 03:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I've always thought this myself. I also wonder if the shapes were switched too, since hearts have more to do with soul than circles, and I guess a double-rimmed circle could vaguely represent some area such as marsh.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Even if the shapes and names were swapped, the colors definitely weren't. Pink for Fuschia and Yellow for Saffron. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== Polishing... ==

I don't see that info anywhere... or maybe no one has noticed. You can actually polish your badges in DP (and I think also in Pt) and make them shine. Where should it be put? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm surprised it's not in the article; it's a pretty fun new aspect to the badges. Oh wait, YES IT IS. Check under Sinnoh League. It's mentioned there. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dive ==

In the trivia it says that Dive "cannot be used or obtained without trading in Kanto." This implies that it can be USED in Kanto, I wasn't aware of this, but if this is not the case, perhaps it could be better phrased as "cannot be obtained without trading or used in Kanto" Sorry if I'm wrong as this is an observation from memories of the game rather than from concrete knowledge. - [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== More than eight gyms... ==

This article says, a few times, that the anime characters having new badges implies that there are more than eight badges in the region. Should we rephrase it to include something about it being anime cannon? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 22:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Disorganization ==

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this page is horribly messy and practically illegible? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think so too... Maybe we could make a table... Something like:

:{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="1"
|Name
|Image
|Location
|HM Allowed
|Obeying Level
|Stat Raised
|Leader
|-
|Boulder Badge
|[[image:boulder Badge.png|60px]]
|Pewter City
|Flash
|10
|Attack
|Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|Cascade Badge
|[[image:cascade Badge.png|50px]]
|Cerulean City
|Cut
|30
|None
|Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|}

:Something like that, just... well, prettier... --{{u|Mr. Charlie}} 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It's certainly more easy on the eyes. The only problem is that every badge does a combination of HM/Stat/Level, so the listing would have to be adjusted to fit. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::The idea is to make a single table to include every badge, or at least on table per region. That way al the information would be organized in he same place. I modified the one above to include the Cascade Badge and added a new column to the obeying level for traded Pokémon. I would do it myself, but I suck at making tables...-- {{u|Mr. Charlie}} 20:21, 23 March 2009
:::I've tried to make a table, tell me what you think. I've put it in a spoiler because it's kinda big... It still needs links and stuff and I've only made for the Kanto League Badges, but the basic idea is there.
{|class="expandable"
|-
!align="left"|Here it is.
|-
|
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; width=700px cellspacing="1"; height=500px
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Name'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Image'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Location '''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''HM Allowed'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Obeying Level'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Stat Raised'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Leader'''
|-
|align=center | Boulder Badge
|align=center | [[image:boulder Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Pewter City
|align=center | Flash
|align=center | 10
|align=center | Attack
|align=center | Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Cascade Badge
|align=center | [[image:cascade Badge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Cerulean City
|align=center | Cut
|align=center | 30
|align=center | None
|align=center | Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Thunder Badge
|align=center | [[image:thunder Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Vermilion City
|align=center | Fly
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Speed
|align=center | Lt. Surge
|-
|align=center | Rainbow Badge
|align=center | [[image:rainbow Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Celadon City
|align=center | Strenght
|align=center | 50
|align=center | None
|align=center | Erika
|-
|align=center | Soul Badge
|align=center | [[image:soul Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Fuschia City
|align=center | Surf
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Defense
|align=center | {{tt|Koga|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Janine|Generation II}}
|-
|align=center | Marsh Badge
|align=center | [[image:marsh Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | {{tt|Rock Smash|Generation III}}
|align=center | 70
|align=center | None
|align=center | Sabrina
|-
|align=center | Volcano Badge
|align=center | [[image:volcano Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Cinnabar City
|align=center | {{tt|Waterfall|Generation III}}
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Special
|align=center | Blaine
|-
|align=center | Earth Badge
|align=center | [[image:earth Badge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | None
|align=center | 100
|align=center | None
|align=center | {{tt|Giovanni|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Blue|Generation II}} {{tt|Jessie, James and Meowth|Anime Only}} {{tt|Agatha|Anime Only}}
|}
|}

[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 04:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:While I commend your efforts, condensing an entire article into a table is not the best way to reorganize a page. I'll look into this.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

::Quite good but only if we can put in the sprites of Gymleaders instead of just names. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 04:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I shall try making one with -moz-border-radius.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::: See [[User:Force Fire/Sandbox|mine.]]--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Hey! I've got an inquiry. I've got all the sprites of all the current known badges, and to make my collection complete, I was wondering if some of Bulbapedia's top sprites could try their hand at spriting all the unknown badges on this page? Possible? [[User:QTR|QTR]] 18:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Raised stat==
For the Kanto badges, what does it mean "raised stat"? [[User:Pandamonia|Pandamonia]] 11:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:A specific [[stat]] of each and every Pokémon you own is raised by a certain degree upon obtaining the relevant badge. And new comments to bottom please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

== Mailing In Badges ==

Don't you think that there should be a website where fans could e-mail in their ideas for leaders, gyms & badges. You know, and the best ones could get picked for the anime. --[[User:Eevoi|Eevoi]] 18:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:Problem is, with the exception of the ones in the [[Orange Archipelago]], every single gym and badge that's been shown in the anime is one featured in the handheld video games. If such an idea were to be implemented, it would be for the video games, not for the anime. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hahahaha, right, sure, funny. Good one. Game Freak's known to be incredibly secretive with their ideas, and fans tend to come up with ''really, really dumb'' ideas. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Badges as mind-control ==

I seem to recall at least one instance in the Special manga where Pikachu or another Pokemon was at least subtly influenced by the badges. I believe the gym leaders also described them as having the power to control Pokemon, possibly around the Silph Co. battle arc... Does anyone know of a specific instance of this being stated? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
: The way I recall it (Though mind you it's been a while isnce I've read the RBG arc), the badges alone don't control Pokémon in Special. But when put in the Badge Energy Amplifier, that's when it is able to control Pokémon within a specific radius.
:: Yes, that makes more sense. I vaguely recall an instance of Pikachu being manipulated by Red or another person, but it may not have been badge-related or even in the manga. I did find several scans that confirm that badges do in fact manipulate Pokemon to a degree, but whether this is generally or only in conjunction with each other due the BEA is unclear. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 10:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Badge Cases ==

Are there any plans to insert images of the badge cases from Sinnoh, Johto and Kanto? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 04:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Examination of the dream badge case ==

I just examined the badge case from Ash's dreams and I found that he has 8 Kanto badges (Boulder Badge, Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Marsh Badge, 2 volcano Badges, and an Earth Badge) All 8 Johto Badges, 3 Hoenn badges (Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, and Balance badge) 7 Sinnoh badges (Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, and Beacon Badge) as well as 15 unknown badges.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]] 03:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:Already done [[Talk:Badge#Mismagius|here]] ^look up there^ ;) ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== Suggestion; ==

"Highest level of
obeying Pokémon: N/A" Instead of N/A, wouldn't it make more sense to use the same level as the previous one? It's not like the privilege of the obeying Pokemon is taken away.. It doesn't say it ''gives'' that level, it just says that it's the highest level of obeying Pokemon.. Consider it? >.> --[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 21:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:For future reference, in case anyone brings this point up again, this suggestion doesn't work on one major principle: the obedience of the traded pokémon is directly controlled by the badged a player has. Meaning, if I skipped Sabrina (whose badge grants obedience to pokémon up to level 70) leaving me with only obedience at level 50 (Rainbow Badge), then if I went to fight Blaine (whose order is after Sabrina), my traded pokémon would still stop obeying me once it reached level 51 despite having a superior badge from a trainer stronger than Sabrina. Without the Marsh badge, they will still disobey. These are the abilities granted by a gym badge itself, not simply something that happens with a certain amount of gyms defeated. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Two badges not mentioned ==

There are two known badges not mentioned, though they aren't gym badges they still connect to the Pokemon League in the anime. One badge is the Exam badge that works like all 8 would normally. It was shown in an episode and looks like a red boulder badge with a giant P in the middle. The second badge missing is the one giving to Ash when the Pokemon League ended after his loss to Richie.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 05:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

==League Champion Badge==
In HGSS, you get a special badge after beating the elite four; it fills that circle in your case. There's another one for the Kanto league. How come none of these are mentioned? Due they even have names? I would put it in myself, but I haven't been able to find any info. --[[User:TrainerRoland|TrainerRoland]] 18:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:New comments go to the bottom of the page, thanks. See the (+) button at the top of the page? It creates new sections for you. I can't answer your question though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gary and other ideas ==

Part of the article I have ideas about improving:
Gary Oak acquired more than the standard eight Kanto League badges, thus leading to confusion as to whether or not there is an infinite number of badges that can be given out in a given region. By The Battle of the Badge, he is shown to have at least ten badges, only 3 of which correspond to known Kanto league badges, suggesting there are at least fifteen gyms in Kanto. This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types. Among these may include the Fighting Dojo, a gym shown to be defunct by Pokémon Red and Blue.

When I first saw the anime episode which is described in this section of the article ( I saw the episode long before I ever read this article) I immediatly thought that Gary recived the badges from other regions (possibly regions that are still unknown as of today) and that the Pokemon League (at least in Kanto) did not care which badges you have as long as you have 8. Also on the subject of more than 8 gym badges in Kanto, there were examples of cites in anime (in Kanto) which were not in the games (such as the city in which Ash got his Muk, if I not mistaken)leading a viewer to believe that there could be many more cities (and gym badges) in the region. I would be glad to hear input from others on these ideas (and people to confirm I am making correct episode references)and if anybody thinks any of these ideas deserve to go in the article.[[User:Tough_guy22|Tough_guy22]] 19:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:You mean everything except the first few paragraphs in the {{DL|Badge|In the anime}} section? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::Please clairify, im not quite sure what your question is. [[User:Tough_guy22|Tough_guy22]] 19:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Nevermind, I misread your post. It has been implied in the anime that the badges only work in one region (as Ash must collect 8 new badges in each region, although this didn't happen until a bit after that episode), and so others must have come from gyms and cities not in the games. Maybe it should be summarised in a paragraph in the section before it turns into a big list with no introduction? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the reason I thought that Gary's badges were from a different region was largly because of the fact that the episode took place in Viridan city, which as we know is connected to the walking route that goes to and from Johto. Would you agree with me that the fact that there are "anime only" cities should be mentioned in the article as a possible reason for there being more that 8 Kanto badges?? ([[User:Tough guy22|Tough guy22]] 02:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::Yes, it probably should. What should also be mentioned it that there are badges in the anime that aren't in the games (and I mean it should be mentioned outside the character subsections), and that there is thought to be a gym for each type in every region, due to the number of different badges. At the moment it just talks about the badges and then launches into sections for each character. I feel that it looks a little out of place, and the character sections need an introduction of sorts to explain them. That introduction would be the perfect place for this stuff. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:The character Gary is protrayed to be likely would have fought the harder gyms if there were in fact 15 gyms in Kanto. Whereas Ash simiply fought the gyms in the cities he went to. It is possible that with Gary being related to Professor Oak he knew more about where stuff is and more cities (as Professor Oak supposedly traveled all over when he was young). Are you good enough that you could change the article, or do you know somebody who is kinda "in charge" of this article??? ([[User:Tough guy22|Tough guy22]] 02:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC))
::As far as I know there isn't anyone "in charge" of this article. I've got something I need to do just now, so it'll be a bit more than an hour until I can get to it. You can try editing it if you like. I'm sure once an edit is made to the article everyone watching the recent changes will come along and help. Or you could post it here and get opinions. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, i've rearranged the section and extended a paragraph to include some of that stuff. I haven't included that Gary may have deliberately chosen harder gyms, or known where the harder gyms were from Professor Oak, as that falls under the speculation category and speculation is (generally) not allowed. I've put in what I think works without becoming speculation and left the rest out. Modify it if you don't like it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== 28 different gyms ==

How did you count 28? Ash's 8 + Gary's(10-3) + Otoshi's(8-4) + unknown trainer's 8 is 27 ,guys. {{unsigned|Domenc}}

== Icicle Badge problem ==

The new Icicle Badge in Isshu displays the image for the Sinnoh badge called Icicle Badge in English. The Isshu one should probably say "Icicle Badge (Isshu)" or something like that until the English name is revealed. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 10:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Cinnabar before Olivine? ==

So I got the Cinnabar badge before I got the Olivine badge when playing SS, so what does that mean in regards to the badge privileges for the Olivine badge? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 23:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
:Are you sure you mean Cinnabar and Olivine there? Because you can't get to Kanto until you have all eight Johto badges. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I mean't to say Mahogany Town, not Cinnabar.
:Even then you need to defeat Jasmine and Team Rocket in order for the Mahogany Gym to be accessible. You can get to Mahogany Town but that's about it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
No, I definitely beat the Gym before I beat her. There was a gap between my badges. It said I had the 5th one and the 7th one but not the 6th. How did I do that? :/
Crap. I forgot to sign again. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 00:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:I got Storm and Glacier before Mineral in both my JP HG and my US SS. It's possible, but NOT Cinnabar/Volcano. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 00:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::I think the way it works is you can get the Mahogany gym badge before the Olivine one, but you have to beat Jasmine before you can fight Team Rocket in the Radio Tower. I've done it all the time when I sometimes forget to fight Jasmine after I get the Fly HM. Not sure if you can beat Pryce before Chuck, though. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::When I first played Silver I got to Mahogany via Mt. Mortar and I ended up beating Pryce and Clair then wondering why the heck I only had 6 badges. Then I realized there was stuff ''West'' of Ecruteak. ^^; [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::::You sure about that one? That guys blocks of Route 44 until after Team Rocket is defeated at the Radio Tower. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Ah you're probably right. I must have wondered why he won't let me pass when I realized I had yet to battle Jasmine and Chuck. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::...Anyway, does this mean that, if you don't want the TM Jasmine gives, beating her is just a waste of time? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 19:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Nope, because you need to beat her for Team Rocket to attack the Radio Tower, and you can't get to Blackthorn without defeating Team Rocket there. Anyway, even if you could, you can't get into the Pokémon League without all eight badges. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that. Herp derp. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 23:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Badges affect how much money is lost in battle ==

When losing a battle in the games, the amount of money the player loses depends somehow on the number of badges the player has. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 22:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[Black out#Effects|According to this it has nothing to do with badges]]. You may just be noticing the effects of level increasing as the game is progressed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
::Actually, you must have only skimmed that page, but it does mention that badges have an effect there. They determine your base payout. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Basic Badge ==

Someone put [[Cheren]] under "Others in the games". --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 00:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:I tried to and it was quickly removed. Rather silly if you ask me, we know for a fact that he gives out the Basic Badge. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 17:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I agree, but I guess that was done until further info is released, though it seems like it has been confirmed that he gives it out in [[Black and White 2]]. ---[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 05:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== Mine Badge Shovel Shape ==

I think it should be added that the three rocks also make up the head of a spade (shovel) which is what Byron carries. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 11:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:I don't see the resemblance. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:: Maybe seeing it side by side? [[File:Diamond Pearl Byron.png|250 px]][[File:Mine Badge.png|80 px]]
[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 12:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Nope, still don't see it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 12:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I do see what you mean. However, whereas the corners of Byron's shovel ends in a upward point, the 'shovel's spade' on the badge curls downwards, and the points are rounded. It was a good point to make, though, and I never would have seen it unless you pointed it out. ^-^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::::: @ (politically correct term) Littleperson123: All shovels and Spades are different, Plus his Shovel is slanted towards the viewer and the one on the badge is only rounded because the pick axes are covering it at the corners.

::::: @ Jo the Martian: You're telling me you can't see it? Ok, try this: Imagine a shovel head, then take three pick axes, arrange them over the shove head like how you see in the picture and you got the Mine badge's design.

::::: If you still can't see it, at least acknowledge and consider the possibility since most of the badges make references to the Gym leader's locations, personalities, props and/or designs.

::::: I know we all take in visual info different, thus we see different patterns and things even if we're staring at the same thing.

::::: Coal Badge = Miner's hat like Roark's helmet. Yet some see a bolder and a Pokéball.
::::: Forest Badge = Trees and I'm not affraid to say this, but Gardenia is a tree hugger type.
::::: Cobble Badge = Cobble stone/Brick yet to some it looks like a tatami mat.
::::: Fen Badge = Crasher Wake's Mask. Yet somehow people see grey reeds on a lake instead of crystal blue water with a "wake" and "crashing wave." Or the very least Fins sense Fen and Fin sound so much alike.
::::: Relic Badge = Fantina's Drifblim cross inspired hair (somehow O,o.; )
::::: Mine Bade = 3 pick axes and a shovel/spade like Byron's Shovel. Yet to some it looks like 3 pick axes with 3 stones in the voids.
::::: Icicle/Glacier Badge = Iceberg with icy water gracing it's bottom. Yet to some it looks like two icy mountains (when depending on how i follow the points it can look like 3-5 mountains) also to some extent it could look like an upside down group of Icicles.
::::: Beacon Badge = Shinning Beacon, kind of like on a tall Radio Tower or the cooling towers of a power pant. The shape of the badge is even triangular like a stereotypical radio tower, however to some the badge looks like a light house.

::::: It all depends on a number of factors, your knowledge/intelligence (not putting anyone down) and how keen your eye is are major factors. To some, especially those who don't know Bulbadsaur (<-knowledge) the Bulbapedia logo might look like a green colored Onion or an unopened flower. Of course its obviously the Bulb from a Bulbasaur. Howerver, still some people might see that but miss the Pokéball design integrated into the logo.

::::: Looking at Crasher Wake's picture, I can't help but notice he vaguely looks like Gyarados. The way he has his mouth constantly open. His hair looks like Gyarados' fins, and the shape and angle they make mixed with his Mask's middle strap looks like Gyarados' 3-point Crest.

::::: I guarantee you that the Mine Badge having a shovel shape is not as out there as the Relic Badge looking like Fantina's Drifblim cross inspired hair. Its all about a persons prospective.

::::: Now I'd like to take this time to state I'm not trying to cause trouble or call anyone out with debating this with my less than graceful approach. I have trouble expressing what I want to say, and it often gets me in trouble with people. I just thought it was beast to clear that up given a few past experiences and the various horror stories I've heard about wikis which kept me at a distance for almost most of the time wikis have existed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 13:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm very well aware of what the head of a shovel and spade look like. But I'm still staying with the shapes being so undefined that it could be anything, but the more likely thing would be rocks, or ores. Since that's what happens when you mine with a pickax: Rocks and ore tumble out of the earth. If there were more defined handles, maybe, but just the head I find unlikely. Even the pickaxes have handles still attached to them. I think you're just being a little too hopeful. Also, Crasher Wake's hair looks nothing like Gyarados. It's just a little tuff on top of his head. The white things you're referring to are part of his mask. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::::::: The comment on what they look like was directed at '''LittleMidget123'''. The pick axes only have handles because they're faced in wards pointing out. Also the Pick axes are the handles for the shovel(s) depending on which angle you come at. There are 4 Shovel heads, each stone is a shovel head, with the pick axe handle as its handle. all three then make a large shovel head. The large Shove head has the pick axe handle as the little ridge where the handle is wedged into the shovel blade. What do you mean too hopeful? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 14:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
You left the message for me too.

''"@ Jo the Martian: You're telling me you can't see it? Ok, try this: Imagine a shovel head, then take three pick axes, arrange them over the shove head like how you see in the picture and you got the Mine badge's design."''

And by too hopeful, I meant you're too determined to prove something that isn't there. I'd also prefer you spelled my name correctly. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I was trying to get you to imagine how you would see a shovel. Also I woke up 10 am EST Monday Morning, I spent all day working on commissions, reviews and other art and word stuff. I haven't even been to bed yet. it is now 11 am EST Tuesday Morning and still I'm not tired. However, a simple and innocent spelling error will happen when you're up 25 hours no matter if you're tired or not.

There are multiple constructs to this badge. You have to look at all the pieces to see the bigger picture. If I asked you if you see a shield, do you think you can see it?

Pieces: Byron has a shovel, He mines, he has a Bastiodon which is basically a shield. Put it all together you get the mine badge.

Picture: The pick axes are pick axes, and they are also the handles and outline line art of multiple shovels and one big shovel head/shield. Not only do the shovel heads make up a shield, so does the entire badge.

Maybe we should get some fresher eyes on this and ask what they think. Kenji girls seems like a level headed candidate, what do you say? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not seeing shovel heads in the Mine Badge either. I can see the shape you're assuming to be shovel heads, but they simply make no sense in being shovel heads rather than being rocks/ore. Their color is extremely wrong for a shovel head, their shape isn't proper for a shovel head as they're too wide and broadly angled, and they're not remotely as defined as the pickaxes are. You're looking too deeply for things that really just aren't there. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 15:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::Isolate the middle Pickaxe and middle brown patch, that is the first shovel. Never mind that it's not the exact shape you think of when you thank of a shovel head. When it comes to a pikachu's tail, does a thunderbolt shape not appear in your mind? Ok, now for the big shovel head, look at the shape all three brown patches make, ignore the pickaxe intersection, that is one giant shovel head and it doubles as a shield. (like the one Link from LOZ has)

:: Because of how it is designed, you can make a shovel and shield which ever way you turn it. This gives you 3 pickaxes, 3 shoves, 1 shovel head/ 1 shield. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 16:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:::On the same note, the Boulder Badge seems a lot more like the top of a cut diamond. And the Trio Badge '''does not''' look like an ear of corn. [[User:Pringles|''プリングルズ/'']][[User talk:Pringles|品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 03:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
:::: Who wrote these? At the very least the Trio Badge looks like a bow tie like what all three brothers wear.

:::: Also here's a picture that outlines where I see the shovel and shield shape. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 03:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

== Trio Badge = Bowtie ==

Just bringing this up as I saw others talking about it. I agree with them, the Trio Badge does not resemble an ear of corn. Turn it to the side and it clearly resembles a bow tie, which all three leaders wear. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 15:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:I can kind of see both, simply because it's yellow around the "kernels". I admit it's not exactly like an ear of corn, it's a bit more stylized. But I'm indifferent on the argument. If it changes, I don't mind. If it stays, I don't mind. Or hey, we could even say it's corn, and a bowtie. Btw, if anyone asks where corn even came from, the triplet's Japanese names are based on corn. Dent (corn), Corn, and Pod (corn). [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:: I can see shovel(s) and I can see a shield in the Mine Badge, but I can't see a ear of corn in the Trio Badge. Maybe at the most, the only thing I can see other than a obvious bow tie is a fancy corn chucker knife. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 02:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
::: Can someone change it? I think it's fair to say that t is not shaped like a kernel of corn. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 20:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:::: Only an admin can change it since the article is locked...hint hint Jo, we commoners lack your power here....for we would abuse it by making it rain Politoads. (sorry, I'm on one of my insomnia kicks...almost put amnesia and then i got amnesia on what I meant to say and then spelled in''amesia'', in''anemia'' and then ansomnia instead of Insomnia)
::::: Although it doesn't look like a ear of corn, I have to say it might look like a Pea'''''pod''''' with three peas. Sometimes the Peapod hugs the peas and makes a shape like that (albeit more rounded.) well i am off to go to bed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 14:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::: So admin... please change this? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 21:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Badge

2012-06-09T21:25:18Z

Kookamooka: /* Trio Badge = Bowtie */

Talk:Badge

2012-06-02T20:38:37Z

Kookamooka: /* Trio Badge = Bowtie */

Talk:Badge

2012-05-30T15:41:20Z

Kookamooka: /* Trio Badge = Bowtie */ new section

Talk:Flareon (Pokémon)

2012-05-27T22:05:35Z

Kookamooka: /* "Flareon Has No Moves" */

== Disambig? ==

When I wanted to access the description of a TCG booster pack, I typed "booster" and ended up here (as I forgot Booster is also the japanese name of Flareon). So the question is, should we make a disambiguation page between the Pokemon and the Booster pack? [[User:Yohrd|Yohrd]] 07:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Here's good. Just like [[Ghost]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 12:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Wrong Sentence, I think? ==

In Generations I and II, and if Skill Swap or Gastro Acid is used, or if the opponent has Mold Breaker, the effectiveness of Fire-type moves is ½×.

The sentence I refered to in Jolteon's talk page is at most ambiguous, but this one is certainly wrong. It *has* the "and" after the first condition. Isn't it wrong? --[[User:Bbbbbbbbba|Bbbbbbbbba]] 10:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Needs to be '''or'''. Changing. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia error ==
A shiney Flareon does not have the same colours as a normal Eevee, but this pages is protected, and I can't edit it. Could someone fix this? [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 08:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Dog??? ==
Is Flareon, Vaporeon, Glacieon, Leafeon, Espeon, Umbreon, eevee, and Jolteon based on dogs, or Cats????--[[User:Corynofplatinum]] 00:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:According to the origin section of the page, they are most likely based on both. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
some are more dog like and some are more cat like
for example the dog like ones are eevee jolteon flareon umbreon leafeon and glaceon
while the cat like ones are vaporeon and espeon ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia - Flare Blitz ==

Is it really trivia that Flareon is a physical attacker that can't learn Flare Blitz? You could say something like that for any move that any Pokemon doesn't know. I didn't wan't to remove it with out asking first, but I really don't think this is any more of a piece of trivia than it would be if I just said Flareon sucks competitively. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that is the real motivation behind this trivia piece. [[User:Jas61292|Jas61292]] 06:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Not really. I removed it. --[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 06:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== "Flareon Has No Moves" ==

Would it be worth mentioning in trivia that Flareon has achieved meme status for its weak movepool? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 13:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:Bumping this. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 16:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::Once again bumping. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 22:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Kookamooka

2012-05-27T16:45:56Z

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Talk:Flareon (Pokémon)

2012-05-27T16:11:56Z

Kookamooka: /* "Flareon Has No Moves" */

Talk:Flareon (Pokémon)

2012-05-27T13:00:18Z

Kookamooka: /* "Flareon Has No Moves" */ new section

Talk:Nate (game)

2012-05-20T11:09:46Z

Kookamooka: Created page with "==Black 2== I'm assuming that name is just a fan name. If so, shouldn't it be made very clear that it is? And there shouldn't really be a name origin, right? ~~~~"

==Black 2==
I'm assuming that name is just a fan name. If so, shouldn't it be made very clear that it is? And there shouldn't really be a name origin, right? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 11:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Rosa (game)

2012-05-20T11:09:35Z

Kookamooka: Created page with "==White 2== I'm assuming that name is just a fan name. If so, shouldn't it be made very clear that it is? And there shouldn't really be a name origin, right? ~~~~"

==White 2==
I'm assuming that name is just a fan name. If so, shouldn't it be made very clear that it is? And there shouldn't really be a name origin, right? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 11:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Catch Snivy! A Pokémon Look & Listen Set

2012-05-19T16:21:12Z

Kookamooka:

{{BookInfobox|
title=Catch Snivy! A Pokémon Look & Listen Set|
image=Snivy Look and Listen.jpg|
image_size=250px|
ISBN=1604381574|
publisher=[[The Pokémon Company International]]|
author=[[Pikachu Press]]|
published=April 3, 2012|
previous=[[Catch Oshawott! A Pokémon Look & Listen Set]]|
next=[[Catch Tepig! A Pokémon Look & Listen Set]]
}}
{{Bulbanews|New Pokémon books announced}}

'''Catch Snivy! A Pokémon Look & Listen Set''' (ISBN 1604381574) is a book released by the [[Pikachu Press]] on April 3, 2012. It is 32 pages long.

==Blurb==
''Choose your favorite starter Pokémon from Pokémon Black Version and Pokémon White Version for a multimedia Pokémon experience in the palm of your hands! Kids can enjoy 32 pages of stories and amazing facts about three different Pokémon from the new Unova region. Readers can also use the collectible custom-molded headphones featuring their favorite new Pokémon—Snivy, Tepig, or Oshawott—while watching three episodes of the animated series Pokémon: Black & White on the included DVD. Grass, Fire, or Water...which type will you choose?''

==Content==
The book's content features information involving Snivy, Ash, and the [[Pokémon: Black & White|Black & White]] season. It also features screenshots and information on the three episodes featured on the DVD. The last page features word puzzles.

===DVD===

{{DVDBRlistheader|darkcolor={{grass color}}|lightcolor={{grass color light}}}}
{{DVDBRlistbody|BW001|In The Shadow Of Zekrom!|イッシュ地方へ！ゼクロムの影！！|To the Isshu Region! Zekrom's Shadow!!|February 12, 2011|September 23, 2010}}
{{DVDBRlistbody|BW007|Snivy Plays Hard To Catch!|ツタージャ・ゲットでメロメロ！？|Tsutarja - Captured by Attract!?|March 19, 2011|October 28, 2010}}
{{DVDBRlistbody|BW010|A Rival Battle For Club Champ!|ライバルバトル！強敵プルリル！|Rival Battle! The Strong Opponent Pururill!|April 9, 2011|November 18, 2010}}
{{DVDBRlistfooter|lightcolor={{grass color light}}}}

{{stub}}
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{{GuidesandActivity}}
 
{{Project Merchandise notice|book}}
[[Category:Activity books]]
[[Category:books]]

Talk:Thick Fat (Ability)

2012-05-19T15:25:16Z

Kookamooka: Created page with "Categories aren't showing for me at the bottom of the page. I tried to edit the page so they'd appear but I can't seem to. ~~~~"

Categories aren't showing for me at the bottom of the page. I tried to edit the page so they'd appear but I can't seem to. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 15:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Team Plasma

2012-05-16T19:28:26Z

Kookamooka: /* New Image? */

== Knights ==
They look kind of like medieval knights, don't they? xD --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'd agree, and that could in fact be something to do with their goals, or their names, or the style of their headquarters. Like with Team Galactic, or Team Aqua. But that's all just speculation on my part. But their crest looks like a chield, and that connects with the image of knights. [[User:Soul of Dawn|I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together...]] 14:43, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
::We could just mention that they resemble medieval knights (like how we make a note that Team Galactic's uniforms resemble space suits) and avoid all the speculation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:::They look like German Order. Would make much more sense for them to be villains in a Poland-based region. But well... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
They're based on the knights templar. Strengthening the fact isshu is America.[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 12:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Giovanni, Cyrus, Maxie, Archie ==

In the trivia section, it states "They are also the first team where the leader is battled more then once, with N being battled a total of five times." However, in D/P, you battle Cyrus twice and in Pt you battle him 3 times. You also battle the leader of Team Aqua/Magma twice. Lastly, Giovanni is battled 3 times in R/B/Y/LG/FR [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed I deleted the whole peice of triva it was compleatly wrong. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 18:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC))

== Colour scheme ==

Their shield and uniforms contain contrasting black and white elements (the shield is even split in half. Should this somehow mentioned in the trivia section? I am not sure on the wording of that, though. And please do not comment on the third 'bluish' colour. --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 15:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Villainous Team ==

Could it be argued (quite easily actually) that Team Plasma is not a "Villainous Team" at all. Outside of the Very end where Ghetisis goes completely off the rails, generally Team Plasma's cause is noble and their methods are not "Villainous" nor is their goal, it is heroic and noble. This game is Based on America, and their movement is easily compared to the anti-slavery movements of the Antebellum Period, this was a hard game for me to play due to this, so Team Plasma as a "Villainous Team" seems to be a mis-characterization. You, Cheren, Bianca, The Gym Leaders and the Junipers are closer "Villainous Team" than Team Plasma. --[[User:DrunkMachoke|DrunkMachoke]] 08:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:Were you even playing the same game? Team Plasma's cause is ostensibly noble, but they accomplish their goals through theft (the Dragon Skull), Pokémon abuse (Munna in the Dreamyard), and Pokénapping (multiple times). Honestly, you could say that Team Aqua and Magma weren't villainous teams, either—they felt that they were doing the right thing as well. Actions speak louder than words, and Team Plasma accomplishes its goals through crime. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::Ghetsis was planning the whole thing from the begining. He says so when he is defeated at N's Castle. But I don't know about the other team plasma members. They were just following some bad guy's rules. Stupid, but crooks can do amazing things. Therefor, I think it is a "Villainous Team" because it has a villainous leader. But that's just my two cents. : ) [[User:Focus58|Focus]][[User talk:Focus58|58]] 11:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::First off the Seven Sages (Outside of Ghetsis) are nice guys (They give you a TM and go Quietly) secondly if Pokemon training is considered slavery or animal fighting(as it pretty much is if you think about it) then "Pokenapping) is not an evil thing, it's more liberation, (would you say Harriet Tubman committed property theft?) Ghetsis was insane, and just one of the seven sages. N is the leader of Plasma and a total Idealist on Pokemon liberation. The kicking of a Munna?!?! Your character can (and likely will) subject Munna's to attacks much graver than a kick (Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, etc.) anyway the kick was out of frustration and to judge an entire organization's operation on a single grunt's actions is wrong. Also is theft (or other "illegal activity") for a greater cause actually wrong? The problem is that Team Plasma's actions don't fall under the "Villainous" category. --[[User:DrunkMachoke|DrunkMachoke]] 23:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::::They're criminals. Regardless of Ghetsis's claims that he is just one of the seven sages, he is the one pulling the strings: he was the one who organized the other sages, founded Team Plasma, and raised N to be their king, all to further his own selfish goals. N basically served as a figurehead, having firm beliefs and determination, but being naive enough for Ghetsis to manipulate. Your analogies to slavery are a stretch: Team Plasma themselves state that they forced Pokémon they freed to construct their castle. Meanwhile, the player, their rivals, and the Gym Leaders don't treat Pokémon as slaves or trained animals, but as friends and partners.
::::Like I said, Team Aqua and Magma wouldn't count as villains by your logic, as they are really only committing their crimes for what they see as a noble cause. Heck, a lot of real-world "villainous teams" wouldn't count under your conditions. Most villains don't think of themselves as villains. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::What Kind of Trainers don't Train their Pokemon, secondly they're not so much criminals as they are revolutionaries, Pokemon are used as laborers throughout the Pokemon World and to be completely honest it's better than getting attacked by fire until you "faint," there's the Lighthouse, Vermilion City, Oreburgh City, and plenty of other examples of "good guys" using Pokemon as a source of Labor. To be completely honest what kind of Friendship is built upon having one fight for the other's amusement and then being stored in a ball for hours if not days on end, if that is your idea of friendship then I really don't know what to say. In what way is the Pokemon slavery comparison a stretch? And if it's not slavery then it's animal fighting, and that's pretty bad too!--[[User:DrunkMachoke|DrunkMachoke]] 02:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::This is not the place to be discussing the moral stand of Team Plasma's goals. Regardless of their goals, they are show to steal items and Pokémon. Therefore they can be termed villainous. They are also the antagonsists opposing the protagonist, making them "villains" from the player character's perspective. Further discussion of Team Plasma's goals should be taken to the forums. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Didn't some of the Grunts at N's Castle mention something about stealing all the Pokemon that they bamboozled their Trainers into releasing? Sounds pretty villainous to me. [[User:Maetch|Maetch]] 00:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Chess reference? ==

The number of unique characters in Team Plasma, counting Grunts two times (or one time if Dudley is considered to be a member) adds up to 16. 16 is the number of figures one player has at its disposal in chess. The games have a monochrome theme, as they are even named Black and White. Worth adding?

[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 05:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:Counting Shadow Triads, Anthea, concordia, seven sages, N and Plasma Grunts. That's more than 16, so no.{{unsigned|Force Fire}}

N + Ghetsis + Six remaining sages + Anthea and Concordia + Shadow Triad + Plasma Grunt (m) + Plasma Grunt (f) + Scientist Dudley adds up to '''16 unique characters'''. I forgot Ghetsis was part of the Seven Sages.{{unsigned|Renoir}}
:Considering the different genders of Grunt to be separate is really just to make this fit 16. It is a coincidence. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

==Origin==
Could Team Plasma be based on PETA or Animalia? [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 09:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:Not really. [[User:TeamPlasma|TeamPlasma]] 20:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
::While I can sort of see where you're coming from, PETA have no interest in stopping people form having pets. I'd say Team Plasma is a sort of Animal Rights extremist group, but not that much like PETA. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 19:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== New Image? ==

It is them in the picture, In black in Black and white 2, isn't it? [[User:TeamPlasma|TeamPlasma]] 19:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:What, from the anime trailer? Yes, it's them. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::The Team Plasma badges sort of give it away. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 19:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Team Plasma

2012-05-16T19:26:10Z

Kookamooka: /* Origin */

Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2

2012-05-16T19:15:53Z

Kookamooka: /* Name to: Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Versions */

{{forums notice|June 23, 2012}}

==Formes==
It says "Two new formes" but it does not say "of Kyurem." [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:We won't know if they are formes of Kyurem until a source confirms it. Right now, it's all speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::While it is all speculation they look more like alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom instead. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::[https://twitter.com/#!/Junichi_Masuda/status/173576515219505153 Stated Kyurem here.] But there's debate on whether they're forms or separate Pokémon. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah, nice to know then. Wonder if they'll have something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom at all, also looking forward to a bit of change in the overall story plot. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, from what it looks like, it seems that it is combining Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem. I wonder how they will do that? Item? Special shrine? But about what Jo said above, they will be forms, as it says in [[Kyurem]]s trivia ''"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White".'' --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 02:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Actually, if you watch the trailer for the new movie coming out on the Japanese website, it shows Zekrom and Reshiram's powers going into Kyurem. This further confirms that these are Kyurem's alternate formes, and not Zekrom's our Reshiram's. [[User:Mikk317|Mikk317]] 05:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw the covers of the games,and the white and black kyurem's on the covers look completely different then normal white kyurem and black kyurem.What gives?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 12:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
:There's also two "formes" for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

thanks. i thought that Kyurem had 5 formes or something!--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 11:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

reshiram and zekrom don't have two forms that is their animation.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 22:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

And in the commercial it shows how kyurem changes from white kyurem without the tubes on the back to the white kyurem on the boxart.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 23:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Names of mascots ==

Junichi Masuda has stated on Twitter that the names of the new forms are '''White Kyurem''' and '''Black Kyurem'''. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 03:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Interwiki==
Page is blocked, could you add an interwiki link to [[:it:Pokémon Nero e Bianco 2]]?--[[User:Qwilava|Qwilava]] 08:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Added. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==US website==
Doesn't appear to have been added. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ It's not much, but it's official.] [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] 10:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I am reluctant to add it. It is just a sub-section, unlike [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ this one]. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Color's for representation. ==

To avoid confusion with Black and White I think the 2 colors that represent this game on Wiki pages should be a blue and red to match the color on each logo and background for the official site. What do you guys think? [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:What about if it gets confused instead with the Generation I games Red and Blue? Just pointing out... [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::All I have to say is Ruby and Sapphire. Besides they will be a different shade just like Ruby and Sapphire where and they will also be reversed, being Blue and Red instead of Red and Blue.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you to the person who changed the color.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Wait, who changed it back and why?[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Mascots reversed? ==

I just noticed something on [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/46/Kyurem_forms.png the new release]. The Kyurem/Zekrom and Kyurem/Reshiram are reversed. On the original B/W, Zekrom was on the white side, and Reshiram on the black side. Its seems its reversed now.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes they are, but this isn't the right place for that discussion. Please go to the forums with comments/questions of this nature. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== generation ==

why is it under generation v? is there any offical source to this (even though we know it might be true) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't really know if it is Gen V, but the fact that it uses forms of a Gen V Pokemon as its mascot make if all but confirmed. The way it looks, at least for now, is that they decided to ditch the 3rd game idea for this Gen and instead do two full sequels to BW. If they say these are a new gen or we see completely new Pokemon then we can start talking about this being Gen VI, but as it stands I think we should just leave it be.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 16:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trying to clear up some unconfirmed rumors ==

I suggest a paragraph be added to the article stating something like "There is no confirmation on whether these games are a [[third version]] or not." [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't even insinuate that, it says out right that they are second paired versions. 2 games can't be a 3rd version.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

:What he trying to mean is, most people think that these games are the '"double" 3rd versions, like Platinum, Emerald and Crystal. But if that's so, you mean these are just the continued part of original B&W? There will be a real "third" version? That's almost impossible. {{unsigned|Acellutor}}

== Classification ==

Well,looks like it can have'''3''' types-Dragon+ice+fire\electric.And can it be a new duo or trio with Kyurem or Part of the tao trio?--Shravs [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(New Bark Gym)]] 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:From sources, Kyurem has two new forms, each resemblin to Zekrom and/or Reshiram. So it would still be within the Tao trio. But 3 types is OP, and awkward considering the type advantages/disadvantages. I would say Kyurem would be Ice/Dragon but retaining the power of it's other form. My speculation point, but I would doubt 3 types. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 06:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

==European Autumn 2012 Release Confirmed==
Could someone with the powers to edit this page please add that Nintendo UK have confirmed an Autumn 2012 release for this pair? Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/35866/pokemon-black-and-white-2-uk-release-date-is-autumn-2012/ [[User:Ryu Shoji|Ryu Shoji]], 10:56, 27 February, 2012 (BST)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== North America release confirmed: Fall 2012 ==

The American release window has been confirmed - see this article: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/02/north_america_gets_pokemon_black_and_white_2_this_fall

I'm unable to add it to the article myself, so can someone who is able to edit it add the date?
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] 14:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:I just found out about this myself and updated [[n:Pokémon Black and White 2 coming to North America and Europe this autumn|the Bulbanews article]]. This page is now fixed too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Redirect sentence regarding the BW002 episode ==

Greetings, I respectfully disagree with the unitalicising of the English title portion, "Enter Iris and Axew". On this site, all episode titles are italicised when put against regular unitalicised text, and the opposite should be done in this case as in other examples elsewhere in life. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 15:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:It is already italicized, which is what is used for titles. When it is surrounded by italicized text, it doesn't need to become un-italicized. This is how everything else does it anyway. It is more important to have the title in italics rather than in contrast to regular text. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== 3ds or ds ==

will this be on 3ds or ds i need to know {{unsigned|Pokefanboy}}

:It'll be on the [[Nintendo DS]], but will be compatible with the [[Nintendo 3DS]]. Yes, the press release was confusing. By the way, it's a good idea to sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, which is converted into an automatic link to your userpage. {{unsigned|GoldenCelebi}}
:That article mentions this. Don't mean to sound rude, but this is exactly what this site is for. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== English artwork ==
Possible to use these artworks? [http://fronttowardsgamer.com/2012/02/27/pokemon-black-and-white-2-announced/ Black & White 2] -- [[User:Chickensdoorknob|ℂℏɨ₡ƙ℮ᵰᵴ∂ⱺ☮яϰŊøɓ]] 23:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
:Those look fanmade. They look nothing like the leaked Japanese boxes and they always use the same. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::Those aren't fanmade, actually- they're on [http://www.play-asia.com/Pokemon_White_Version_2/paOS-13-71-ba-49-en-70-4lbh.html Playasia] and other pre-order sites. They're only placeholders, though. Official placeholders, but placeholders nonetheless. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 15:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Look at them, they were made in MSPaint. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

== Two official artworks? ==

How come Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have two official artworks? I'm not saying it's a mistake or even a lie, you can easily check that it's true by watching the Flash intro animation of the Japanese website. But that's the issue here: why are there two different yet official artworks for both of Kyurem's new Formes? [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 17:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:There's also two artworks for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I have the same opinion. The boxart may be some kind of 'mode' as in 'burst mode'or something. The boxart of White Kyurem looks vaguely similar to the art of primal dialga. The pic aforementioned is present in the bulbapedia archive. Please give ur thoughts on this post.[[User:Auraguardian197|Auraguardian197]]

i think it has to do with its ability. the glowing might be from turboblaze ant terravolt to white/black kyurem respectively. -{{u|deoxys80}}
:It's just their Overdrive mode. Reshiram and Zekrom had the ''exact same thing''. [[:a:File:643Reshiram.png|Normal Reshiram]], [[:a:File:643Reshiram-Activated.png|Overdrive Reshiram]]. [[:a:File:644Zekrom.png|Normal Zekrom]], [[:a:File:644Zekrom-Activated.png|Overdrive Zekrom]]. It has nothing to do with abilities, or moves, or formes. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Would it be relevant and/or noteworthy to add that these games mark the second time the main series Pokémon games have the number 2 in their names, with the first time being the name initially announced for the original Gold and Silver ('''{{tt|ポケットモンスター２金・銀|Poketto Monsutā 2: Kin Gin}}''' ''Pocket Monsters 2: Gold and Silver'')? Even though the 2 was eventually dropped for Gold and Silver, it was still an official yet temporary name. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 17:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm totally for this. Something like: "These games are the first games in the main series to be released with a "2" in their name, though the Japanese versions of G/S were intended to have tis number in their name but this was dropped before release" ?? As long as there's a nod to the almost-Pkmn 2: G/S thing I think it's a great idea! [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 09:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Parameter on the Japanese website URL ==

The URL for the Japanese website does not need the '''?a001=msign''' parameter. Please remove it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 22:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

== Second set of direct sequels? ==

Aren't Black 2 and White 2 the second set of direct sequels in the main series? Gold and Silver are direct sequels to Red and Green (likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver are direct sequels to FireRed and LeafGreen). The only difference is that they're from separate generations, since for all we know, Black 2 and White 2 are Generation V games like Black and White. If so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:Considering that it hasn't even really been confirmed that these are sequels, I'd say no. Wait until we know for sure at least. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 00:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::Don't worry, I'll wait. I can't edit the article anyway. I was just pointing out this so it can be taken in consideration when we have full details about the games. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 13:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

==No info?==

Ummmm... The games are available for preorder. Shouldn't there be info on the storyline and stuff? it's-a me, [[User:Slowbro|anonymous]]
:One would think there would be more info by now, but the reason is simply because no more info has been released. When more info is released it will be added to the article. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::We will be getting lots of info next [[Pokémon Smash!]] (they said they would be revealing B2W2 info on that episode). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

==Beta==

This could turn into beta. Any official source confirming that people are making this game? The above [[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|comment]] is [[User talk: Wildgoose|supported]] by [[User:Wildgoose|Wildgoose]]. 00:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:Go to the article and scroll to the bottom. There is a list of sources there. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

In the infobox, it lists the Australian release as Spring 2012. At first this really confused me as I thought only Japan got it this Spring. Because of the different seasons in the Northern and Southern hemisphere, and because a lot of Bulbapedia's users come from the Northern Hemisphere, could we add a tooltip to make it {{tt|Spring 2012|Northern Hemisphere Fall/Autumn}}. I think this would help a lot of people who came to the site. [[User:MajesticRayquaza|''Majestic'']][[User talk:MajesticRayquaza|'''Rayquaza''']] 09:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think so. The seasons will become irrelevant once we get an actual date, and the only people who should really be concerned with the release date are the people it applies to (i.e. Oceanians.) Plus it might seem unfair. If we put a note for the Northerners that South Spring = North Autumn, then we should do the same for Southerners that North Autumn = South Spring. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Amazon release date ==

Not sure if this means anything but I just saw that Amazon (through the official Nintendo seller) has the two versions up for pre-order with a release date of December 31, 2012 (I'm not sure if that's their generic date for an unknown release or the actual date though). [[User:OnixPachirisu|OnixPachirisu]] 18:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's just a placeholder so they can take pre-orders. Nintendo already announced a fall (Sept-Nov) release. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== More Release Date info ==

Per Play-Asia, the Japanese Version's release date is June 23rd, and the US release will be in October: http://www.play-asia.com/paOScore/19-71-8s-49-en-15-Pokemon-43-8s-18-2.html

[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 03:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:Well the Japanese release date is true. October does fit for the US, though is Play-asia a good source for information on the US release date? In any case, we'll probably find out about the US release date in a few months. Maybe E3? [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 17:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
::It's been known for like [https://twitter.com/#!/bulbanews/status/179568320293511168 a month now]. Play-Asia is a decent source but I would still prefer to wait for an official source to confirm it, just for precautionary measures. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 17:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Update ==
Page needs to be updated with new Coro Coro information. [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] 06:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:Not yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Ice cover ==

I don't think the article should say that Unova is engulfed in ice because it says in the Bulbanews article that it is unconfirmed whether that is actually part of the region or it is just there to cover up areas that haven't been revealed yet. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:I agree too. There seems to be a confusion. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
From a talk page it says that CoroCoro confirmed the ice is only to cover upcoming stuff--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 17:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:::According to {{u|Umeko}}'s Nihongo-fu: ''What Corocoro says in reference to the ice is essentially "What in the world is with the map freezing over? Has something strange happened?!"'' [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

what is a Umeko's Nihongo-fu?--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 20:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
* Umeko is a person, and "Nihongo" is the Japanese word for "Japanese". It's an attempt by Umeko at translating it from Japanese. [[User:Rickie-d|Rickie-d]] 01:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

i think that it is just covering new areas otherwise there would be no Pokemon league [[User:Ultinuc|Ultinuc]] 01:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Towns ==

I am 99.9% certain that there are 3 towns in Southwest Unova, not 2. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It says at least 2 towns.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 20:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I see three towns but the one below Driftveil City could also be something similar to Cold Storage. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 08:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

=="2"==
I think that Black ＆ White 2 is a reference to this version taking place 2 years after Black ＆ White. [[User:Ethan12|Ethan12]] 14:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:Or... it's because they are the sequels to Black and White? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Images ==

I don't know if I'm doing this right, but... maybe these images can be used in the article?

<gallery>
File:B2W2 Prerelease theater.png|The theater?
File:B2W2 Prerelease VS Rival.png|The male player character and the rival's VS sprites
File:B2W2 Prerelease field.png|The player character meeting the rival
File:B2W2 Prerelease Akuroma.png|Akuroma...
File:B2W2 Prerelease Castelia Central Plaza.png|The player meets Akuroma in Castelia
File:B2W2 Prerelease floating town.png|The player meets Shizui
File:B2W2 Prerelease blocked road.png|The player and Akuroma in an unknown location
File:B2W2 Prerelease Homika Gym.png|Homika's gym
File:B2W2 Prerelease beach town Gym.png|Possibly outside Shizui's gym
File:B2W2 Prerelease beach cave.png|The player character, the rival and Shizui in a beach, near to the entrance of a cave
</gallery>

--[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
That depends.did you get these pictures from a reliable source? [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 14:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ I think so.] --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 15:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the official Japanese black2 and white2 so I would say those pictures are valid but I'm not sure so I would ask help from another editor.

[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ They're from the japanese Pokémon website.] What do you think? --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 19:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Are the starters for black and white 2 tepig oshawott and snivy because pokemon smash shows it.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 01:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:Obviously. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==battle animations?==

I guess constant battle animations are confirmed, due to the trailer? [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
The Trainers seem to be animated too. ''Drakko'' 11:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

== English Cover ==

The english Cover is revealed: http://www.wog.ch/nas/cover_large/ds/ds_pokemonblack2.jpg --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] 18:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Can you please provide the source of the picture? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.wog.ch/index.cfm/details/product/28172-Pokemon-Schwarze-Edition-2 and http://www.softridge.ch/c1-/p4880/pokemon-schwarze-edition-2.html --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] 18:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:IMO it looks like placeholder boxart, because it doesn't match the Japanese artwork (which is usually does). There is also a watermark in the image. I would wait for a more official source to confirm it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree also because it is rating pending by ESRB but it shows a rating in the bottom right corner [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 14:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
:That's not an ESRB rating. It's PEGI. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Your right. I noticed that after I made the comment but did not have the time to fix it. [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 17:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Ice unconfirmed. ==

(Yeah, I know somebody already posted something like this...)
I don't think we should say that Unova is engulfed in ice, unless that is specifically confirmed. Maybe the ice is just there to cover up the other changes of Unova just for now, and I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms. I think we should remove the part saying that part of Unova is covered in ice, because that is just speculation from the art, we have no proof that this is confirmed. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 07:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:"I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms." Castelia, Nimbasa, Driftveil, Mistralton and Opelucid aren't covered in ice. And there will be two new leaders, Shizui and Homika, totalizing seven citites with gyms that aren't covered in ice. Maybe the Icirrus gym will be still active, as it's an Ice-type gym... --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 15:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
::God, there are still people who believe that they really destroyed half of Unova? God... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:::"The Unova region ''appears'' to have changed greatly." (From the article; italics mine.) It does actually imply that it's inferred from the map, although I agree it's a little ambiguous. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 17:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Guys, this is turning into a speculation discussion. Unless you have undeniable proof one way or the other, please take this to the forums and stop the discussion here. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Can I at least change it to say: "In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east'', however, it was never confirmed that the this is true, as the ice may not actually exist, and was put on the Unova map to prevent too many spoilers.''" ? [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 00:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::No. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::: As it stands, the article reads as though Unova actually being engulfed in actual ice rather than just the map is a confirmed thing, which it isn't. Couldn't we reword that bit somehow so it doesn't sound like we know for sure? Actually, maybe it should just not be mentioned at all until we know what we're talking about. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 02:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::: ''In this time, the Unova region '''appears''' to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east'', the appears part signals the unconfirmed factor. The article is fine as is. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 02:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
It looks like it's confirmed: it says on the Japanese official site that the ice was caused two years after Black & White involving an 'accident' in the rural areas. ''Drakko'' 10:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:It doesn't say it is actually covered in ice, simply that there was an accident in the rural areas. We will withhold adding that it is confirmed until we get undeniable proof either way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Can this pic be used?

<gallery>
File:RivalBW2.png|rival from opening.
</gallery>

== Characters and Pokedex additions? ==

1) Already been mentions on this page, [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ BW Characters]. Menu bar on left, if it wasn't obvious.

2) [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/pokemon/pokemon01.html Pokedex with additional Pokemon] (?) <s>the pokedex looks pretty epic</s>

These should be added to the page somewhere; it's from the Japanese webpage. EDIT: By that I mean more better description of these on the article

[[User:Umbreon126|Umbreon126]] 04:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

:Until everything is revealed, then we add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

== Spring 2012 ==

Australia are getting these games before Japan? An Admin needs to change this[[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]]
:Spring in Northern Hemisphere = Autumn in Southern Hemisphere. This has been explained multiple times, and should be common knowledge. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:33, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
::Yes it should be. I could care less either way, but it should be put up so we can stop getting these questions. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Your message doesn't make sense. We don't need to put up any sort of notes and disclaimers because people should already know the season differences the hemispheres have. Do we need to explain why the sky is blue in the anime? Not only that, but it is rude to our readers in the Southern Hemisphere. We don't put any sort of disclaimers that Autumn in the Northern Hemisphere means their Spring. They already know the difference. I'm not going to alter the information just because of someone else's ignorance. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
::::How does it not make sense. It should and is common knowledge, but multiple people obviously don't get the difference. It's a waste to continually have this page cluttered with this issue. This is the third time (IIRC) this question has been asked on this page, the forums see it multiple times as well. It's annoying to see this question asked numerous times every week. Putting something up would stop people from asking about this and stop all the useless posts on this. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>bobs his head out of the shadows* Hi, I'm from the far lands, also known as the Southern Hemisphere. Things in here, despite what they might seem like, are the opposite to the Northern Hemisphere (at least in the weather department, no, food doesn't eat people here -that's only in Rand McNally-). Stuff such as S. H. related articles and release dates for this side of the world are kept in the Southern Hemisphere standards so that we don't get confused as to when either things get released or... well... mostly dates, Australia and New Zealand amongst few others speak English, so it's a bit unfair for them. This is something you learn in elementary school, if they don't know it, tough luck, they do now. So yeah, we are not changing the seasons for them to fit the Northern Hemisphere standards. Besides, once the games are released, we'll see the actual dates, so there will be no place for confusion. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

== Helpful-ish ==

On {{tt|the pages|*can't be bothered to link to them*}} that Umbreon126 noted a couple of sections above, it says something about the 3DS in the bottom right. Not being able to read Japanese, I don't know what it says, but it ''could'' be helpful. Maybe. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 16:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
:It just means that the game is compatible with the 3DS. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== Forest Minccino ==

At about 1:01 in the trailer, the player approaches what seems to be a Minccino in a forest. I don't have Black or White, so I don't know if this is like [[Peeko]] or not. Can somebody help me with this? [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 20:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
:That event wasn't in the first BW at all, so we have no idea if it's like Peeko or what. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 14:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

==New Kami trio formes?==

Allegedly, this is the cover of next month's CoroCoro: [http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120511-143126.jpg]

Note the bottom left ;)

[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 05:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
:We are aware of that scan but it can easily be fake and it has been done a lot of times in the past as well. Besides, there is still some time in the ''actual'' CoroCoro scans to arrive. That is why the optimum choice would be to wait. Also, please do not link to other fansites since they are "not" completely reliable. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 06:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== English Release Date ==

On Amazon it says that the release date is December 31, 2012... Should someone add it? Or is it fake? [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 00:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm thinking that is most likely a place holder date so they can accept pre-orders and such. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Definitely a placeholder. GameStop stores around me have October 2. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Nope, there's no new starters. They're the same as Black and White, according to a Nintendo website. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
:[[Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2#Starters|We know.]] -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 16:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

== New info - please update ==

As seen [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ here] AR Searcher will be released as Pokémon Dream Radar. When Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have the cool glowing lights, it is known as "Overdrive Mode" --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] 14:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== English Boxart ==

Here are the US boxarts for Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. It isn't the greatest quality, but I couldn't find better. [[User:Z1ggyZ00|Z1ggyZ00]] 21:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

[[File:Pokemon White 2 Boxart EN.png|200px]]
[[File:Pokemon Black 2 Boxart EN.png|200px]]

I've found some '''much''' bigger versions, which can be seen [http://i.imgur.com/KSbC3.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/gooUp.jpg here]. But they'll need to be cropped before they can be used in the article. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] 10:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Minor thing ==

The word "mode" in Overdrive Mode should be capitalised. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ Proof is in the character art gallery here.] - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 22:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== More Formes? WTF Bianca? ==

Well according to Serebii, there are new "Sacred Beast Formes" for Tornadus, Thunderus, and Landorus, Also with the new Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 animation out, it seems Bianca gives out the Starters in B2W2 and that Cheren is the first Gym Leader. {{unsigned|Alsuke}}
:1. Serebii isn't an official source, so don't bother referencing it here. 2. That name is merely a fan translation. Not official. 3. We already know everything else you just said. Check their articles. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== World Tournament Info ==

Just think it might be better to revise the current blurb on the World Tournament since it seems like more will be available. At present Sabrina isn't confirmed to be challengable, and the inclusion of Volkner, Lance, Cynthia and Steven opens it up to more regions. Maybe it's just better to say Gym Leaders and other Trainers/Champions from the other regions.
[[User:Clark Griswald|Clark Griswald]] 17:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Name to: Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Versions ==

I think that would be a more accurate name, as the versions are more commonly (from what I've seen) referred to as Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. Wikipedia too have referred to the games as Black 2 and White 2.
I propose a name change, anyone else agree? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ The word Version comes before the 2.] This is an official link and it's really all that matters. Besides, Black 2 and White 2 already redirect here. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 19:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Although they didn't redirect here, I got that covered. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 19:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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2012-05-16T19:14:47Z

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Talk:Colress

2012-05-16T19:00:38Z

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==Possible Name Origin==
Aku - Evil, Kuro - Black, Akuma - Demon. An evil professor? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 20:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
:Bumping this. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::There's nothing supporting that. We don't know if he's evil or not. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:52, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I should have elaborated more on that sorry. I meant it as a name origin, it's more similar than it is to achromatic, which is an English word, and Akuroma is his Japanese name (afaik).

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2012-05-16T18:56:15Z

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2012-05-13T17:29:07Z

Kookamooka:

Need opinions.
Which of these names sounds/fits best: Indigo League, Indigo Plateau League, Pokemon League of the Indigo Plateau or League of the Indigo Plateau?
[[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 01:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:Indigo league would fit best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
::A staff member needs to change it, the page is protected. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 17:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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2012-05-13T01:13:33Z

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== B2W2 ==

Not yet. Until the games are released then we update everything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:14, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:Actually, we update relevant pages when [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/?a001=msign the official site] is updated. That's why [[Homika]] is in mainspace and {{p|Riolu}} has B2W2 dex entry--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Okay, sorry, and thanks for letting me know :) [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 13:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:Force Fire#Cheren|Replied on my talk page]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:22, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Taking action ==

Hey there. If you feel a certain way about something, such as removing the champion from the E4 templates, please have a discussion and a consensus before removing them. With that said, please keep the conversation in one place and do not simply spam it over the course of multiple talk pages. Thanks. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:Hey. I took action on something that had already been established on a talk page [[Talk:Elite_Four#Champions_are_Elite_Four_members|here]]. As Champions were removed from the Elite Four page, it was only logical for them to be removed from the Elite Four templates. I only asked for them to be removed on the talk pages of protected articles. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
::Sure, that was decided for the Elite Four page, but the navigation templates are a bit different. Also, I know you only asked for protected pages, that's part of the issue here. Had they not been protected, would you have removed them? That's where the issue of, "You shouldn't have just removed them in the first place," comes in. What I would have suggested is bumping the topic on the talk page and asking, "So what about the navigation template?" but since the staff's already seen the issue, I think we've come up with something that will make everyone happy, so there's no need to take champions off. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Okay then, but at least could the article title (not the page name mind you just the actual title at the top of the template) be changed to Pokemon League of (Region)? That way, it's nice to navigate while still being factually correct? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:20, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Like I said the staff's already come to a consensus on what is to be done. It shouldn't disappoint. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::As said on the talk page, this is an encyclopedia, not a game guide. The small change I proposed would take little effort and involve no need for moving templates from pages or anything like that; and most importantly, make it correct. If you still don't want to, is there some way I can bring it up to other staff members? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind :3 [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I just discovered I completely misunderstood your first reply, sorry if I came across as rude. D: [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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== B2W2 Gym Leaders ==
I think we should wait for badge sprites, overworlds sprites, and city names to be realesed before they're put here. It's currently quite ugly, can those three please be removed? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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== B2W2 ==

Not yet. Until the games are released then we update everything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:14, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:Actually, we update relevant pages when [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/?a001=msign the official site] is updated. That's why [[Homika]] is in mainspace and {{p|Riolu}} has B2W2 dex entry--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Okay, sorry, and thanks for letting me know :) [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 13:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:Force Fire#Cheren|Replied on my talk page]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:22, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Taking action ==

Hey there. If you feel a certain way about something, such as removing the champion from the E4 templates, please have a discussion and a consensus before removing them. With that said, please keep the conversation in one place and do not simply spam it over the course of multiple talk pages. Thanks. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
::Hey. I took action on something that had already been established on a talk page [[Talk:Elite_Four#Champions_are_Elite_Four_members|here]]. As Champions were removed from the Elite Four page, it was only logical for them to be removed from the Elite Four templates. I only asked for them to be removed on the talk pages of protected articles. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Cynthia

2012-05-12T23:59:29Z

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==If Ash and co. met Lucian...==
If Ash and co. met [[Lucian]], it was likely they'll meet Cynthia later in the anime. And I was right, because Cynthia is scheduled to make her first anime appearance in [[DP040]]! {{unsigned|FREAKAZOID}}

== Garchomps gender? ==

based on gender differences, what gender is her garchomp? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 02:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:Female. All of Cynthia's Pokémon are female EXCEPT for her Lucario. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think they mean in the anime...? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Its still a female. No groove in the fin. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 06:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

In the quotes section, it says:

Before battle: 
''"One look at you tells me many things about you. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. That's enough talking. Let's get on with why you're here. I, Cynthia, accept your challenge as the Pokémon League Champion! There won't be any letup from me!"''

OR

''"Have you been keeping well? Thank you for Mt. Coronet. I'm truly grateful. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. But that's enough talk. Let's get on with why you're here. As the Pokémon League Champion, I accept your challenge!"''

What do they mean, "OR"? Doesn't she always say the same thing? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]] 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that she says the Mt.Coronet thing only when the player didn't beat the Elite Four yet.She doesn't say that to me!
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie]] 20:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Uxie Legend

:The first one is what she says in the first battle against her, and then it is permanently replaced by the second one in rematches. -- [[User:PKMNChamp|PKMNChamp]] 10:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

== what the...? ==

whats with the line going across the page?
uhh....[[User:Kpokefan|Kpokefan]] (cuz i dont know how to make the special little signatures
:What line? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cynthia + Rayquaza?? ==
apparently, in an episode, Cynthia is shown commanding a [[Rayquaza]]. it can be viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88ROwzgUOE here]. →[[User:Thomas1652]]
:But it was in a dream. She doesn't really own that Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::aaaahh, thank you for clearing that up for me. =) →[[User:Thomas1652]]
i thought that the Rayquaza she was commanding was just an illusion, someone added it. Is it ok to take it out? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 08:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::*Sigh*.....I'll take it out.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh! Someone took it out already.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== elite four ==

what do the elite four and the league champ actually do in the anime?[[User:Samrulz123|Samrulz]][[User talk:Samrulz123|123]] 04:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Wait around to appear in an episode. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I always figured that in order to challenge the elite four you had to win the league tournament. We may never know [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 11:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

Cynthia also looks like the character(dont know her name) who trasform's in this video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I50GGdQCQDs&NR=1

--[[User:Zakuro x Cynthia| Zakuro]] 08:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

== lucario ==

Does anybody else think those things in her hair look like the thing on lucario's head.I think this could mean that lucario is her main pokémon in the games (and possibly anime but not sure) [[User:Darkmaster0]]
:I always thought the things in her hair resembled a {{p|Garchomp}}....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::It does look more like {{p|Lucario}}'s hair-type-thing, but her Garchomp is her strongest pokémon and they ,usually, are the trainer's signature pokémon. Phocks.

== Chi ==

Chi and Fei are identical twins and Chi is the main chatterer, so way dos she look like Fei and not Chi? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:What in the name of Hans Christian Anderson do you mean? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:05 18 Jun 2008'''''
::Probably another "character similarity" thing. God, I'm sick of them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::...''who'' is Fei? The twins' names are Erda (Chi) and Freya (black Chi).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::::And the "Freya and not Chi" thing probably has to do with the black gothic clothing? Just maybe.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the mix up in the name. Thay still look the same and I don't get it? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:Is the statement even necessary? The accompanying link doesn't even have a picture and I've never even heard of the character. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 00:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::I'm really sick of those "similarities". We've got too many of them and most of them don't even look similar. I say, DELETE ALL "SIMILARITY" NOTES! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree. It's like "Oooh! One anime character looks like another! We should put that in!!" It's not all that notable. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this one is notable if any of them are. The have the same eyes, the same face. Clair even has hair things that look like Chi's ear's. If you ask me this one is intentional [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:I assume we're referring to Chobits here. Anyway, I did think Cynthia looked a bit like a Persicom on first impression, and her very long hair and black clothes are reminiscent of Freya, but I wouldn't say this is particularly relevant to Bulbapedia. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dream Rayquaza (Please don't ignore this) ==

If we include her Rayquaza, shouldn't we include the Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig from {{an|Dawn}}'s [[DP001]] dream? If you agree with me, please make the table, cuz remember, I don't know how!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:That was more of Dawn daydreaming that she had those Pokémon. Plus, it wasn't appearant to the characters at first that they were dreaming when Cynthia had a Rayquaza. I don't know, maybe Rayquaza shouldn't count... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But it was still a dream Pokémon, just saying--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Ash. Kanto starters. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, he woke up to the Gengar/Nidorino battle, remember?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:No he didn't... He was watching that on T.V. the night before he left on his journey. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But the Kanto starters in the dream [[Ash's Bulbasaur|manifested]] [[Ash's Charizard|them]][[Ash's Squirtle|selves]] into reality. And what about May commanding Mudkip in [[AG001]]?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah but that's not what I was talking about. You said he woke up to the battle of Nidorino and Gengar, which he didn't.
:Back to the subject about dream Pokémon, just because Ash got all the starters he dreamed about doesn't mean that everyone gonna get the Pokémon they've dreamed about. These stupid dream Pokémon shouldn't even be mentioned. Especially not the ones in Dawn's dream. What about all those Pokémon that Meowth always dreams Giovanni has in his dreams. Are we gonna mentioned those now? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Boss fantasy|Already have a page for that]]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well that's merely a section of the boss fanasy article. Doesn't mean that other people should have dream Pokémon mentioned. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Why is her table color white? It blends with the background. Wouldn't black/a shade of gray be better? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely. Pick one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Leiji Matsumoto ==
I know there's been a crackdown on speculative trivia, but I honestly think Cynthia's design is a reference to {{wp|Galaxy Express 999.}} Seriously, look at the Maetel-bot in that entry and tell me she's not inspired by that. - Nekusagi (don't know how to link myself)
:Done. {{tt|She's not inspired by that.|Just...doin' what ur askin'}} On a serious note, however, it's still speculation. Which isn't allowed on articles or something.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::To compare a character to another one is an opinion, as well as speculation. Opinions are not shared by everyone so they don't belong in any article. Now, I already discussed this with Neku elsewhere so there needs to be no further inquiries about this. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

== Egg ==

After running Team Galactic out of Eterna, Cynthia approaches the player near the Bicycle Shop to give him or her an Egg. I'd edit the article myself to reflect this, but I'm not sure what's in the egg -- or where in the article the information should go. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 16:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:It is a Togepi Egg. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 19:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I think there's a faulty tag, but I don't know what the correct one is. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::::got it.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== In the trivia... ==

The trivia states: Cynthia's team also has at least one attack that matches the type themes of every member of the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn Elite Four plus three members of Sinnoh's Elite Four. Flint is the only member not represented as none of Cynthia's Pokémon have Fire-type attacks.

Cynthia has a Fire-type attack: Flamethrower. It's on Garchomp before National Pokedex. If what this is stating after the NP, then please ignore this. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nidolord500}} ([[User talk:Nidolord500|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nidolord500|contribs]]) ''

== Pokédex ==
In Platinum, Cynthia tells the player character that she went on an adventure with a Pokédex when she was younger (she says this when you meet her in Celestic Town). This isn't mentioned on her page, and I think it is kind of important. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:You know every trainer begins with a Pokédex. If you dont agree then give me examples of trainers without Pokédex. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::"''You've got a Pokedex!? Wow! Etcetera!''" Also, Pearl doesn't have one, and Wally doesn't seem to either. The game dialogue at the start of each game makes it seem like its a big deal; hence the Professor gives it ''after'' the player has done a task for him, not ''with'' the Starter Pokemon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude about Pearl it is mentioned on his page and "doesnt seem to either" doesnt sounds convincing. Moreover as you administrators say "Wait till it is confirmes" although I dont think it will ever be . --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
When exactly was the Pokédex invented anyway? [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Pearl didn't get one because he was in a rush. Wally because he started on his own, without a starter nor a Pokédex. Other Trainers because there to lazy to get themselves one. You only see the Main player and Rival get a PokéDex. And as for Trom and Prongs, Both of you need to stop being hostile to eachother.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave your messages after a : and it was recently before the first genera.. Brainwave! We are not hostile just a friendly argument. If this server breaks once more I will kill someone. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sorry... I'm being hostile? It certainly wasn't intentional. I just answered the question.... Again, sorry if it seemed like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Please you werent. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Seems like it yeah, I always think there's some kind of rivalry between you two. Meh nevermind. My thought got me wrong.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Unless Cynthia is only thirteen years old (which she'd have to be to start out with a Pokédex [invented three years before Generation II and IV]) it's possible Cynthia started out with a forerunner/prototype of the Pokédex, such as the P*DA. But this is only speculation. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Prof. Oak created the PokéDex way before Gen I. And you have to be 10 to be a Trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Exactly my point, she started her adventure before D/P/Pt, and the Pokédex was created, let's say a year (not actual time), before Gen I, she'd have to have been 10 to start out on her adventure at this time if she'd had a Pokédex, and she looks older than fourteen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Of course. But yet this is speculation, I mean she could've started being a trainer late in her life.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::True... [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually in the games Oak says that he created it just a little time ago and many state that Cynthia is quite experienced. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::In fact, when you beats her the first time (in Platinum at least) and Rowan shows up, he states it has been a long time since he has been at the Hall of Fame, and Cynthia comments that if the last time he had been there was when she had become champion, then it was a long time ago. So she must have had her Pokédex for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 10:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Here's a tip: why don't we quote everything Cynthia said in DPPt? We do that on Cyrus's page. =] '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 11:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Good plan [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 18:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

== 3 years ==

In Cynthia's trivia section, there is a bullet saying "Although Cynthia mentions she started with a Pokédex, in Generation I (approximately three years before the events of Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) Professor Oak mentions that it is his newest invention." How do we know that the events of Gold, Silver, and Crystal are happening at the same time as Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum? Jasmine is actually in Sinnoh during generation IV, so how could she be in Sinnoh and in Johto at her gym at the same time? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:The Red Gyarados happens after you beat Jasmine. It is highly possible that she goes to Sinnoh to recover after her loss; there is nothing to deny this. It could also happen shortly before she is faced by the player of GSC. While the two generations appear to happen within the same time frame, they don't appear to be concurrent. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==Platinum and Arceus reference==

In Platinum, I specifically remember that if you went and checked the cave painting in the Celestic Ruins again after beating the Elite Four, Cynthia showed up and gave a big lecture on the dragon trio, lake trio, and speculation on Arceus. Somebody should go and check that, and put it in the quotes section. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Pokedex trivia ==

Could Cynthia just be a newish trainer? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:As mentioned earlier, Cynthia is said to be quite experienced. Also, both Cynthia and Prof. Rowan both state that it was some time since Rowan had been to the Hall of Fame, which means that Cynthia has been a trainer for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== In two places at once ==

After defeating Cyrus for the last time, she's at the entrance to Turnback Cave and at the League. Did anyone else notice this? --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 19:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Unless you're also in two places at once, you can't verify that claim. She leaves the League a lot earlier in the game; chances are she's doing the same here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::After accompanying the player to the Distortion World, she stands around outside the cave but isn't there after you complete the E4 challenge. Platinum has actual cases of Gym Leaders being in three places at once (Gym + Cafe + Villa) but this doesn't count. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== First Timers ==

I was looking at the different Champions, and it's occured to me that Cynthia is the only one to be Champion in both the games and the anime. Blue was Champion in Gen. I & their remakes and is Ash's rival in the anime, Lance was Elite Four in Gen. I, but Champion in Gen.II. Steve and Wallace are not the Champions of Hoenn in the anime, and both where Champions in different games.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:12:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, the anime stated that Wallace is the Champion of the Hoenn League. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Cynthia the only one to remain champion ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that Cynthia is the ''only'' Champion to remain Champion of her League in all games set in that region?
Kanto/Johto Elite Four has had Blue, later replaced by Lance.
Hoenn Elite Four has had Steven, later replaced by Wallace.
But Sinnoh has only EVER had Cynthia as a Champion.

Though this might change come Black and White and their third version, do you think it's still worth a mention? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it should be. [[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 01:14, 2 August 2010.--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 01:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that isn't true. Red takes the champion title from Blue in Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, FireRed, or LeafGreen, and remains the true champion in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, or SoulSilver. He just isn't fought in the league. And besides, every champion has lost the title; the player beats the champion in every game. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, so what was Lance then if not the Champion of the Indigo Plateau? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:Lance was the Johto Champion. Red is the Kanto Champion. You simply don't have to fight another Elite Four to battle Kanto's Champion.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 14:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu House... ==

In Pokemon Platinum, Cynthia mentions about having a house, but where she said is a secret. Having a look at the Black/White games I realize there is a hosue with Cynthia in it. Any possible connections? I can't read other languages so if you can please find out if she claims it as her house.--[[User:Scepie|Scepie]] 08:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
:The villa of isshu is not a house of Cynthia. The villa that exists in Sazanami Town is belongings of Caitlin. Cynthia borrows the villa from Caitlin. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Black & White Rematch Problem ==
I was able to fight her in Spring, but ever since Summer started, all she'll do is talk about swimsuits. Is there something I have to do to get her to fight me again? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I believe it she only battles in certain season(s). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:07, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

== Cynthia's Pokémon's IVs ==

They are NOT 31, at least not in Platinum's rematch. I won't edit that piece of trivia, as I have no means of confirming her IVs in games other than that. My brother used a catch trainers' Pokemon cheat on a Pokemon from each E4 member. (Their "signature Pokemon" <Drapion/Rhyperior/Magmortar/Garchomp> and Lucian's Espeon) They APPEAR to be all 30. (EVERY E4 member's Pokemon, not just Cynthia's.) I ran their stats through an IV checker. For reference, I'll put their details down here (Order of HP/Attack/Defence/Special Attack/Special Defence/Speed): Aaron's Drapion: Lv. 69, Lonely - 196/163/159/108/129/156; Bertha's Rhyperior: Lv. 71, Lonely - 265/247/189/104/104/83; Flint's Magmortar: Lv. 73, Timid - 214/148/124/209/165/162; Lucian's Espeon: Lv. 71, Calm - 194/106/111/210/177/182; Cynthia's Garchomp: Lv. 78, Bold - 279/207/193/153/161/187.

[[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] 06:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hometown ==

In the article it says "hometown=[[Celestic Town]]{{tt|*|Mentioned only in the anime}}" but I think in the games (Platinum, at least) it mentions that she is from Celestic Town or something like that and the Celestic Town article says "It is the hometown of Cynthia's family." so should we remove the part that says "Mentioned only in the anime"? [[User:Xxcom9a|Xxcom9a]] 14:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. The fact that she resides in an other region doesn't mean that she doesn't come from Celestic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

== B/W Battle Music ==

When you battle Cynthia in Black and White, is the music the same as it was in Gen IV or is it different? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Pretty much the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCd4pccHCfU [[User:Xxcom9a|Xxcom9a]] 14:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Is this trivia worthy? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

== Cynthia in Black/White, correction? ==

"Cynthia also makes an appearance in Pokémon Black and White. She can be battled in a house in Undella Town in the spring and summer."

This may be incorrect, since when I initially got to battle Cynthia after meeting her for the first time, it was Autumn. Sure enough, after I beat her and left, she was gone.

I think she can be battled anytime, but can only be re-battled in certain seasons.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 07:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Also, when she can be re-battled, she can be beaten once a day. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::And as luck would have it, Summer comes and she doesn't want to battle any more. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 23:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

==Adventures Artwork==
I don't want to just put a template there. Is the artwork supposed to be that dark looking? I think it looks odd but I don't know if that's just the way it was made or not.... [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 18:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
:I may have done something in the original transparenting...but I just changed it. Should look better now [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::It does. Thanks! :) [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 19:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

== Incorrect sprite art in Platinum party ==

I noticed that Cynthia's Spiritomb is represented by its D/P art in the Platinum party template, while everyone else's sprite is the Platinum one. Could anyone correct this, as I don't know how to?
P.S. Before you ask, ''yes'', Spiritomb's sprite differs between DP and Platinum. [[User:Haxorus|Haxorus]] 13:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

==Color in Quotes==
Sorry if this was mentioned early, tried to look for it but didn't see anything. Why are certain words in color during some of her quotes (particularly the HG/SS ones)? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cynthia&diff=1406466&oldid=1406232 Because apparently it's red in-game] [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::Huh, never noticed that...Thanks! --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== Why are the quotes marked as Incomptle ==

If it is because they are wrong, I can get pearl battle quotes (because I activtly play it). [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 21:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
:Not because they're wrong, but because we don't have all of them. If you can get them, that would be great. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::I would have to restart my game though, If you look my Pokémon list on my userpage you can see that I have a lot of rare Pokémon and would have to get them off first. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 16:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, you personally don't need to restart your game. It's always possible to retrieve them from LPs, and some people extract them from the game data itself. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== Every game ==

Cynthia has appeared in every game since Diamond and Pearl, isn't that supposed to be in trivia? --[[User:K4kirin|K4kirin]] 08:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:While I did mistook it as if it was saying she has appeared in more games than other, I still don't think it's notable. If she appears in the 3rd Version, and/or to an extent, Gen VI then it'll probably be notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

==Cynthia's sister==
Cynthia has a little sister?!? Is that accurate? Cuz it sorta seems like a piece of fandom... ♥ {{unsigned|Sméarglé}} ♥
:She appears in her house in [[Celestic Town]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Remove Sinnoh Elite Four template. ==

Cynthia has been removed foerm the template because she is not a member of the Elite Four. The template should be removed from this page. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Blue (game)

2012-05-12T23:57:44Z

Kookamooka: /* Remove Kanto Elite Four Template. */ new section

"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..."
I checked a few of my manuals:
* English Red: refers to him as "rival"
* English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
* Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
* Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"

So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta

Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

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Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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== Blue's Charizard ==

Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)

Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2

Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== A few things ==

The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).

:Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

:I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Same here. It's just going to be a bitch to change. But, I'll go about it, piece by piece, and I'm sure other people will too. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll help you out. That's a lot of Trainers to change. =) [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Champion==

This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?
:I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III Champion sprite ==

Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:[http://web.archive.org/web/20070718010538/tohjofalls.atspace.com/poke/dump-red.txt] [http://www.freewebs.com/tohjofalls/crysdump.txt] [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Awesome, thanks! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Brown? ==

His eyes look black-ish to me. Red's,and Leaf's,eyes look brown. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Page size ==

Do you think this page is a little too big? My browser freaks out when I visit it. Maybe the sprites should be hidden. This page is current 107 kbs long, more than 3 times the recommended size. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea For the Size ==

<ab>I just had an idea for the size. Why not split it up like this:

Blue (game)/Red and Blue
Blue (game)/Yellow
Blue (game)/FireRed and LeafGreen

Or something along those lines. This will significantly reduce the page sizes.</ab> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 18:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:But it would be for his teams only (something like what we have for Pokemon movesets). Because it would be useless to have separate articles on Blue's character in every game. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a ''main article'' link for the other three. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like <nowiki>{{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}</nowiki>. '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I have an idea. We could make a different page for his Stadium teams. [[User:GreenGyarados|GreenGyarados]]

===RBG section prototype===
Blue and Red have been rivals ever since they were babies. Before leaving for his journey, he lived in Pallet Town, just like Red.

The player first meets Blue at Professor Oak's lab, where he and Red were asked to come. Oak offers the two of them one Pokémon each, with Red having first choice from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Squirtle}}, and {{p|Charmander}}. After Red chooses a Pokémon, Blue chooses the one with a type advantage over Red's. He then brags that his Pokémon looks much stronger. When Red is about to leave, Blue challenges him to a battle. Whatever the outcome, Blue declares his intention to train his Pokémon, and leaves.

Soon, Professor Oak calls the two of them back to give them Pokédexes, and tells them of his dream to categorize all Pokémon in the world with their help. Blue says he can do it by himself, and tells his sister, [[Daisy]], not to give Red a [[Town Map]] (she does so anyway, not acknowledging his words).

...

It isn't until they meet up again in [[Lavender Town]]'s [[Pokémon Tower]] that Blue's initial choice affects the rest of his team, where he switches out his Raticate and switches in Pokémon of the two types he didn't initially choose ({{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, and {{p|Growlithe}} for Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander), bringing a sort of type balance to his team.

...

After beating the Elite Four, Red finds out from Lance that Blue was one step ahead of him, and is now the Champion. He proceeds into the final battle room to find Blue visibly more mature and with all of his Pokémon in their final evolutions, and he claims that his team could beat any type. Blue brags that he is the most powerful trainer in the world, and the battle starts.

:Not really sure whether to focus on plot or gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::I like it, but I've added a tiny bit to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Version-specific nomenclature ==

Based on the default names in ''FireRed'' and ''LeafGreen'', should version-specific incidences of this character (namely his ''FR''/''LG'' battles) carry "Green" in place?
Also, from up top of this page, it's interesting that the Japanese Yellow uses "Blue" for rival default (and helps me to rationalize ''G''/''S''/''C'' use of Blue, since I'm a Yellow supporter above all first-gen versions (but this is all beside the point)). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:Third versions always use the second version name for the rival (except RSE, which named the rival Brendan/May). As for his name changing to Green based on FRLG, well, we pretty much decided to wait until the almost completely inevitable [[GSDS]] to see if that has him as Green or Blue, and then use that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::According to his article, he had Blue as a default name in the Japanese Yellow, despite officially being Green there. The fact that he has Green as a default name in FireRed might not be any different, so we should wait for an English translation of HeartGold and SoulSilver. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 04:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::That was probably because nothing had Blue in Japan. Or something. Who knows. Yellow came out there when RB came here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== So about calling him "Green" ==

Let it be known that if he is in fact named as Green in HGSS's English translation (he will be in HGSS's Japanese, because he's ''always'' been Green there) this is moving to {{ga|Green}}. Same goes for [[Janine]] if they rename her in HGSS (please don't, NoA). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:He will always be Blue to me, but that IS logical. I can’t see anyone having a problem with it that doesn’t boil down to aesthetics/nostalgia. I hope he stays Blue in the games though. --WikidSmaht 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yay!!!! --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:In the trivia, it should be noted that he's the only gym leader with a generic color name. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:So do it. Although, I’m not really sure that’s important... --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Separating the article ==

As they said, this article is too long.
Maybe u should seperate the battle into a new page.
Naming it, "Battle with Blue (Games)"
And this page should be rename "Blue (Game)(Main)"
--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

:I think if we do split the article it should just be generation I, then every generation above that on a different article. We really could compress it though. {{unsigned|MasterKenobi}}
::Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Splitting off the previous generation party lists to other articles, much like in the same vein as Pokémon's movesets from previous generations are split off is definitely what's needed here. Moving off the Gen I lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Generation I parties}} and the Stadium lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Pokémon Stadium parties}} for example, should vastly reduce the size of the article.
:::Darn these multi-generation recurring characters... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Good job seperating Generation I/II's Pokémon. When HGSS comes, the page will be long again.
::::How about this? List of Pokémon, all put as "show" then open the "show" is the sprites, another "show" will be the Pokémon used? It is confusing??? --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== about his sprites... ==

In the FRLG section, he changes into 3 different sprites. Is this true in the game or what? (I never played gen 3 b4) ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. One sprite for early battles, one for later battles and one for the Pokémon League battle. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shouldn't his name be Green? ==

Well, the reason why we seem to call him Blue is because of the US Pokemon Red & ''Blue'' versions of course. That's probably because in Pokemon Red, the default name for your rival is Blue, and that's his name in G/S/C.

But were in Gen IV now, so shouldn't his name be Green? Since LeafGreen version was ''not'' renamed WaterBlue or something in the US, and according to FireRed version, the default name for your rival is Green.

Also, wtf is the female player of FR/LG being called Leaf? And since when was the HG/SS named Soul? And since when was the D/P/Pt rival named Pearl? I already know the answer: they never had those names :/. --Chaos Rush 00:38:19 (UTC)
:At the moment we are waiting for HGSS, where Blue/Green will be an NPC, rather than a rival, to see what his name is. Until then it was decided above that he will be Blue, as that was his only NPC appearance where the player does not name him.
:The female player character for FR/LG is called "Leaf", because that is what she is named if you cancel out of the naming screen without putting a name in the ''first'' version (i.e. Fire Red). Soul is currently called such based on Leaf (prefix of second version), but may change when HGSS comes out.
:Pearl is called such for the same reason as Leaf - that is what is given if you cancel out of the name entry screen in Diamond.
:Ask an admin for the official policy, but it appears to be that if they are never an NPC that is not named by the player, then they are named with whatever name it gives them if you enter a blank name - essentially the game's defaults. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:: That's not true. In FireRed, if you leave your name blank, it does ''not'' come out with Leaf. It comes out with a bunch of random names, such as "Suzi" and "June". Also in Diamond and Platinum, if you leave your rival's name blank, he automatically becomes Barry :/. Again, that's pretty much why I think that Leaf and Pearl are stupid fake names. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 04:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Uh, "Barry" is at the top of the list for {{ga|Pearl}}, not the autodefault for when leaving the name entry blank. Trust me, if Barry WERE the autodefault, it would have been reflected in the title a long time ago. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: That makes absolutely no sense. What you just said directly contradicts what the article itself says. The article for Pearl said that "Barry" is the autodefault for both Diamond and Platinum :/. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::...No. No, it doesn't.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 16:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Then explain this: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pearl_(game)#Optional_names_for_Pearl
:::::: OWNED. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Show me the word "default".--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Isn't that what you meant by default? :/ If that's not the case, tell me what you mean by default, and tell my why the article says "Barry" for Diamond and Platinum. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Look under the list, not in the list. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::: Oh, I see. But to me it still doesn't make sense how if GameFreak have stopped naming their characters after version names in R/S/E and D/P/Pt, why would the Rival have a version name as his name? And what's with favoring Diamond version over Pearl O_o... And judging by the way "Leaf" was named, then wouldn't that mean that "Pearl" would be Cedric according to in-game hidden data? Illogical of course. We might as well rename the Leaf article, "Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi" since those are the defaults, right? That's why it makes no sense, if Leaf is to be named after hidden data, than it would be logical to name the D/P/Pt rival after his hidden data, "Cedric", and yet you guys name him from the default name, while Leaf doesn't get a default name. So why does Leaf get to use her hidden data, while Pearl uses his default?[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
(/resets indent)This is Blue's talkpage. Don't complain about Leaf or Pearl here.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

: And of course somebody thinks of an excuse to abruptly end the argument once the evidence/logic is shoved in their face. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::(reset) This is probably due to Pearl actually having a pre-set default, while Leaf doesn't. The internal coding is Leaf's fallback, one Pearl doesn't need. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, I ''will'' keep on arguing once this is brought to the proper location.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

With this logic, shouldn't he just be referred to as Rival (R/G/B), instead? Same for all of the other Rivals. I don't think anyone will agree with me, but it's more official... -[[User:ConfuseRayMisdreavus|ConfuseRayMisdreavus]] 19:03 1/16/10,
== Trivia is Shorter ==

I made the trivia a bit shorter, and I want to see if was OK with ya. So is it? (I saw the tag, so that's why.) --[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC) King and Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita.

== Template recolors? ==

Why were his GSC/HGSS templates recolored? I mean, all his other templates are perfectly OK, with the blue head color, current version border colors and stuff. May I ask why the color change? All of his templates are the that color scheme, so I'll change it back until anyone objects. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
:His colorscheme in the games is green in HGSS. It's Blue color for GSC because he was Blue then because of Red and Blue. In HGSS he gets LeafGreen color because he's gonna be Green because of FireRed and LeafGreen. Red's the same way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Except he isn’t. I reverted the color change that was made when we only had Serebii’s word for it, but now that the games are out, I’m reverting my revert. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== English name ==

After playing through HGSS, I'm thinking they'll be calling him Green in the English games. His room's green, his Gym's green (where all others have their typecolor)... though like Clair, his Gym has two colors... While Clair's had the colors of the Dragon type icon in FRLG, Blue's Gym is green on top... and blue around the sides. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with you. The default name of Green is Green in FR/LG not blue, but since Bulbapedia is a dictatorship, and the higher ups says, "Well in FR/LG you can name him whatever you want, so Green isn't his official name". *Facepalm* [[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']][[Cool Trainer|''mon'']][[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::If it was a dictatorship, you'd be banned for saying that. ;)
::But anyways, it used to be Green before we revamped the whole site about a month ago. Soooooo... don't be saying crap like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh? RAHB, you're thinking of the {{adv|Blue|manga guy}}. This wasn't moved, it was always Blue, cuz that's his name in English GS. IF his English HGSS name will be Green, then we'll move him. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Really? I thought this was moved too... oh well. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::You got a point Hunter Blade. If it was a dictatorship I would've been banned. Okay, It's a monarchy, but anyway back on subject. The only reason his name was Blue in generation one was because of the lack of Green being released anywhere besides Japan. I bet the Japanese Bulbapedia doesn't have this problem. (I bet they are laughing at us). -[[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']]''mon''[[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::::::The only reason they'd laugh at us is because we have a canonical conundrum (actually, I'd think they'd rather feel sorry we're even in this situation) that won't be solved easily (why would the Japanese have this issue? It's not theirs). Which Japanese is the top canon, "Green" is not English canon (yet). You're reasoning he's "only Blue because..." verifies that, for the time being, ''yes'' he is Blue in English canon. That's top par. And if HGSS carries over the "Blue" issue, you people will still argue, "But he's Green over there!" But he's not Green here. And if HGSS does have Green, it ''will'' be changed, because that's apparently how it's done (why Jackson is [[Vincent]] despite being Jackson first).
::::::And yet, we've recently tucked in out pants to put the Special manga into its English roots. Which meant, yes, changing the Green character into Blue (as is English canon, despite the issue with their eye colors that makes) and vice versa. We support English canon for our frontyard (meaning it will always be the face of Bulbapedia: ''English language denotions'') and use Japanese canon to support what is needed to be supported (as it is true canon). But since names are changes from Japanese ones to English ones, proper names are not infallible, nor are taken as "correct" over the English ones. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:So much for that theory. :-p --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Location on where to get his PokeGear number and battle time ==

We are missing that. If we have a thing that tells what his team is during the rematch, we should have the time and place on where you can get his number and when you can battle him. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:From [[Daisy Oak]], actually. Her article implies it could be any time... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== last name ==

It appears that his sister's last name has been confirmed in the game. This implies that his last name is also Oak. Should this be moved? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'll support the move. But in which game was it confirmed? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::FRLG Fame Checker for Daisy. It's the Four Island entry. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>OK then. Support.</s> [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Oppose. Who the hell would look for him under "Blue Oak"?? :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, {{u|Umeko}}'s right. Changing to oppose. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should it at least be noted? I don't think it should be moved, but it should be noted. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, at least let it be noted... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Another thing, Umeko, isn't that way redirects exist? I'm pretty sure 95% of the people that go to bulbapedia search Pokemon/pokemon instead of Pokémon, yet they are kept at that name due to it being official. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::This is the same bull we got into with May Birch/Brendan Birch. NO THANK YOU. Like {{adv|Blue}} is staying there, {{ga|Blue}} is. We're not moving him. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Should it be noted though? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Reset. Keep Blue where he is [at "Blue (game)"], set up a "Blue Oak" redirect, and in the article, set up the first sentence as "'''Blue Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキドグリーン''' ''Green Ōkido'')". No change necessary, tidbit is addressed. Things like that are done on Wikipedia all the time, when someone is known by a name, but their real name is longer, or different from what they go by. No harm, no foul. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Blue Oak goes to his manga counterpart, so should it become a disambiguation? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I say we leave the page title as-is, but call him "Blue Oak" in the opening sentence. Like we did in [[Sapphire (Adventures)]]. Also, yeah, I guess it should be a disambig since they ''do'' have the same name. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hair==
While Gary Oak in the anime clearly has brown hair, I guess people are overlooking the fact this character has hair just about the same color as Misty's. His hair is clearly not brown, it's orange, or at the least burnt orange, which is the color most natural redheads have in real life. Someone needs to change his information, please. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, it's brown.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

[http://yfrog.com/16heartgoldsoulsilverbluep] I disagree. Unless it has officially been called brown, which I doubt. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'd call it auburn, actually.
:Tell me, did you join Bulbapedia just to bitch about hair colors? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
No, this isn't the first thing I've done since joining, and that's not the reason I joined. Why? did you join to "bitch" about new users? Also, you clearly don't know what auburn is, because auburn is a deep shade of red(the actual color) and brown. Guess I'm pretty good at bitching about hair colors though. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like to know a more correct term, it would be burnt orange, the color many natural redheads have. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's about the same color as a light brown colored pencil. Crayola brand. In both the 12 and 24 pack. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think most people who have used colored pencils know they don't come out as dead on as the color's name. Also: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(colour)]

Compare him to Brock's game art, tell me how similar they are? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:There's a thing called shades. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, and his hair is clearly a shade of orange. And since you know about shades you should know most people with orange tones of hair have light brown tones along with them. Are you making a point? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::He is a fictional character no one cares. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Then why are you here if you don't care? Also, why does his page even have a slot for his hair color if no one cares? Why does this site even exist if nobody cares about anything? Nice way to back yourself up. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Hehe... you're not helping yourself either, Getsuei. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're here to tell you to shut up and stop bitching about all the small details, so shut up and stop bitching about shit no one cares about. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

"Kinda orangish-brown with flecks of white in it, happy now?" So somebody edited his page to say this.
Okay? The fact just about everyone here has problems with me just because I wanted to get his details on his page right, even to this degree of flaming, is crazy. Nice way to run a wiki. It's not like I came here cursing at people. I really could care less if you are all so bent on going off on me for trying to get a minor detail fixed. I just thought if the site cared to list the information, it should pay attention to simple detail. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's the same sort of instance we went through with freaking Golbat. "no dude its blue i know because the pokeydex don't matter". That kind of bullcrap. Don't worry so damn much about Blue's hair. It's brown, a light shade of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's also brown in his battle sprites. —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The reason we care so much about it, is because ''you're'' the only one who disagrees in this conversation. THAT is why we're getting annoyed. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
cough déjā vū cough--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 05:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Clearly it's not brown though. That's the whole point. I guess we should go to Misty's page and say it's just a bright shade of brown. And if it were stated somewhere his hair was brown, I wouldn't even try to change it. I'm not an idiot, I just happen to know something about redheads. Misty's hair looks pretty brown in her battle sprites too, does that mean her hair's brown. In artwork and in his profile it's orange, so because his battle sprites have slightly more brown hair you wanna call it brown. Quit avoiding the blatant fact he has a redhead tone of hair people. Also, if for example a room full of people told you Pikachu wasn't yellow, would that mean it was true? No, because it's obvious. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::What's funny about you comparing Misty and Blue, is that the dark parts of her hair are as dark as the light parts of his hair. It might not look like that until you compare them side by side, because the lighter colors of Misty's hair make the dark look darker. I know, because I mess around with colors all the time and sometimes confuse myself with them. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::What are you getting at? Just because their shades of orange aren't the same color that means his hair isn't orange? What are you even saying? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You could say that Blue's hair in the artwork is bronze-coloured... It's not really orange, and it's not brown at the same time? —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You are saying that his hair is basically the same as hers. It's not. I agree, his does look a bit orange, but not if you compare it to Misty's. Then it looks brown. And for me, hers could pass off as an orangy light brown until compared to an actual light brown. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

:The point is that people who are brunettes do not have orange in their hair naturally speaking. If you have orange in your hair you are a redhead. I'm a redhead, I know the facts about redheads. Burnt Orange, Orange Brown, whatever. The point is his hair isn't brown, it's clearly a shade of orange. Go to Princess Daisy's page on the mariowiki. You people probably think she's a brunette, but you're wrong. Her hair just happens to range in shades of dark and bright orange. Even stated by Nintendo her hair is orange. The point is you people are avoiding the fact that just because his hair isn't a blatant bright orange color, that he is not a brunette and his hair is not classifiable as brown. If you all really want to be so stubborn as to avoid something so obvious, fine. It's obvious if I could edit this page some moron would revert my edit anyway. Also, nice job responding to someone with flames when I didn't even act rude or "bitchy" in the first place. Now though, you people can decide on this situation for yourselves. Hope you base it on facts and not your uninformed opinions. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::You realize you just wrote a huge paragraph arguing over hair color right? Come on. Argue about something that actually matters. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought Princess Daisy's hair was brown. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 00:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia error ==

"Blue is one of only two NPCs who has been both a Gym Leader and a Champion. The other is Wallace (though Wallace was a Gym Leader before becoming Champion, and Blue does the reverse). Both of them were the eighth Gym Leader and Champion of a region introduced in an odd-numbered generation." This is wrong as Blue wasn't a gym leader until gen 2 an even numbered generation.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 07:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Refers to the region, not the character [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] 07:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Return ==

Given that Blue's Pokémon use Return in Generation IV, isn't it possible to calculate just how much his Pokémon love him?--[[User:Mongeese|Mongeese]] 22:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Probably not, at least not exactly, since damage calculation has a random component. But their friendship level should be somewhere in the game code directly... if anyone knows where to look. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== The use of Green? ==

Okay, we all know it's Blue in Generation IV by now. But his default name in FireRed is still his Japanese name, Green. Maybe the article should mention this in the FireRed / LeafGreen section? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 04:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Disambiguation error ==

Blue is not a game, he's a game character. The disambiguation, "game", makes no sense. --[[User:Bilge|Bilge]] 23:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:May is not an anime, she's an anime character. We don't need titles that are five miles long. "Blue (your jerkass rival from the Kanto games). Blue (game) is good enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::While it initially doesn't make sense when you're new(ish), the ''game'' refers to the fact that the article is about someone/something in the game continuity, the ''anime'' refers to someone/something in the anime continuity and so on. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Number of Pokes Trivia ==

There are 42, and I don't see why someone keeps changing it back. >:(

1. Bulbasaur
2. Charmander
3. Squirtle
4. Pidgey
5. Pidgeotto
6. Abra
7. Rattata
8. Ivysaur
9. Charmeleon
10. Wartortle
11. Kadabra
12. Raticate
13. Exeggcute
14. Growlithe
15. Gyarados
16. Pidgeot
17. Alakazam
18. Venusaur
19. Charizard
20. Blastoise
21. Rhyhorn
22. Rhydon
23. Exeggutor
24. Arcanine
25. Eevee
26. Spearow
27. Sandshrew
28. Fearow
29. Shellder
30. Vulpix
31. Magnemite
32. Sandslash
33. Vaporeon
34. Jolteon
35. Flareon
36. Cloyster
37. Magneton
38. Ninetales
39. Heracross
40. Tyranitar
41. Machamp
42. Rhyperior

I guess this person thinks he has a Magikarp that evolves into Gyarados or something like that, when it doesn't. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 01:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

==Manga==
Shouldn't Shigeru or Green be mentioned? The manga section only refers to Pokespe. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, if Blue has other counterparts feel free to add them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

"Blue is the only rival with a starter that could be weak to the players starter"

But doesn't the rival in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum become weak to the players starter if you choose Chimchar?

Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::Hate to jump in on an old conversation, but I noticed that Blue in Yellow is the only beginning rival (ie not Wally) with a starter that's never super effective against the player's starter. Vaporeon is weak to Pikachu (Doing half damage to Pikachu, while getting double damage done to it from Pikachu), Jolteon and Pikachu do half damage to each other, and Eevee/Flareon and Pikachu do base damage to each other. -[[User:Dresden213|Dresden213]] 22:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

== Flareon's moveset. ==

I don't know why, but in Pokémon Yellow, Flareon is capable of using Reflect. When I used Omastar (or Omanyte) lvl ~42 to fight him with Water Gun Flareon doesn't attacked, just used Reflect every time. Also, recently when I attacked it with Thunder... it used Reflect. Does moveset varies or what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Alakazam's moveset ==

In Pokémon Yellow Version, Champion Blue's Alakazam knows the move Psychic. Swift or Kinesis must be wrong. Probably Swift, since Alakazam and its evolutionary relatives aren't capable of learning that move according to Bulbapedia. It might know Reflect as well. This also applies for this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_%28game%29/Yellow [[User:Nechifor|Nechifor]] 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:From watching various YT videos, I confirmed {{m|Recover}}, {{m|Kinesis}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Psybeam}}. Looks like Swift was wrong. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Claus? ==

In HGSS his official art looks a lot like the masked man from MOTHER 3 without his mask. I am not the only one who has noticed this. here is a mask-less Claus- http://www.flickr.com/photos/75005145@N00/3095867094/ sorry, that's the best I could find...{{unsigned|Ghost chimera}}
:No, not really. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Moveset error ==

I recently battled him in Silph Co. and his Charizard used Smokescreen, Wing Attack, and Flamethrower.
Oh, and his Charmeleon used Smokescreen during the Pokémon Tower battle. [[User:Sludge|Sludge]] 14:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mention of scrapped music? ==

I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure if fake or not. But I found one of the battle music on youtube, and it mentioned it playing in B/W but it was scrapped. Is it true? If it is, isn't it worth a mention in the Trivia box? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 23:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
:I personally don't think it's notable. Not enough evidence it was truely scrapped or not. Also adding trivia is currently not allowed. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
::It's in the games' code and it's unused, it's definitely not fake. The R/S version of the legendary beasts theme is mentioned in their article, even if it's only part of a trivum. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 00:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== "Blue will not battle the player until he or she has the other seven Kanto badges. " ==

Apparently not in Crystal, as I didn't defeated Blaine yet, but I could challenge Blue in Viridian Gym. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 18:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

== Possible change of font ==
Hey guys, not exactly sure how this site works or how to edit pages, but is there any chance of changing the colour of the "show" spoiler tags on Blue's team lists? Trying to see blue on blue doesn't exactly go too well, and people newer to the site than myself may not even realise they can open the lists out.
Same kinda goes for any other pages that Blue is featured on, such as the Viridian Gym page.
As I said, I'm new to the site and thought it better to write in here than to go straight ahead and edit the page itself.
[[User:SandShrewsbury|SandShrewsbury]] 12:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== FRLG Champion sprite trivia ==

This may sound like POV but, if not, would it be notable to add that his Champion sprite in FRLG has the same pose as Mewtwo's front sprites from the same games? [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 16:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Remove Kanto Elite Four Template. ==

Blue has been removed from this template because he is not one of the Elite Four. That template should be removed. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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== Sergeant, We Have a Problem ==
We can't have disambigs for Drake... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:...[[Drake]] should be [[Drake (Elite Four)]]... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::I have no idea how to change it without removing the glt template. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:::That's what I'm trying to say... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::You guys made a template... oy. Why? Is it that hard to change a teensy bit of code? My opinion is, just subst: it and then alter the name... then subst it in all the rest of the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Bringing this back up, is it finally possible to insert [[Drake (Elite Four)|{{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Drake}}]] into the coding nao? <.<; Come on, guys, it doesn't break the template. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Champions need to be removed. ==

See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Elite_Four#Champions_are_Elite_Four_members] for reason. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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== Champion Alder needs to be moved ==
See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Elite_Four#Champions_are_Elite_Four_members] for reason. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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| class="roundy" style="background: #{{fire color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{fire color}};" | [[File:VSFlint.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{fire color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Flint (Elite Four)|{{color|{{fire color dark}}|Flint}}]]
| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{psychic color}};" | [[File:VSLucian.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Lucian|{{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Lucian}}]]

|} <includeonly>[[Category:Game characters]] [[Category:Manga characters]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Category:Gym Leaders navigation templates|E]]</noinclude>

Template:Kanto League

2012-05-12T23:49:56Z

Kookamooka: Removed champions, see http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Elite_Four#Champions_are_Elite_Four_members.3F

{| align="center" class="roundy" width="75%" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; border: 4px solid #{{kanto color}};"
|- align="center"
| colspan="10" | '''[[Elite Four|{{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|of the}} [[Indigo Plateau|{{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Indigo Plateau}}]]'''
|- align="center"
| colspan="10" | '''[[Generation I|{{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation I}}]] {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|and}} [[Generation III|{{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation III}}]]'''
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{ice color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{ice color}};" | [[Image:FL_Lorelei.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{ice color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Lorelei|{{color|{{ice color dark}}|Lorelei}}]]

| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{fighting color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{fighting color}};" | [[Image:FL_Bruno.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Bruno|{{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Bruno}}]]

| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{ghost color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{ghost color}};" | [[Image:FRLG_Agatha.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{ghost color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Agatha|{{color|{{ghost color dark}}|Agatha}}]]

| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{dragon color}};" | [[Image:FL_Lance.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Lance|{{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Lance}}]]

|- align="center"
| colspan="10" | '''[[Generation II|{{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation II}}]] {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|and}} [[Generation IV|{{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation IV}}]]'''
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{psychic color}};" | [[Image:VSWill.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Will|{{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Will}}]]

| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{poison color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{poison color}};" | [[Image:VSKoga.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{poison color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Koga|{{color|{{poison color dark}}|Koga}}]]

| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{fighting color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{fighting color}};" | [[Image:VSBruno.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Bruno|{{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Bruno}}]]

| rowspan="2" |
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{dark color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{dark color}};" | [[Image:VSKaren.png]] [[Elite Four|{{color|{{dark color dark}}|Elite Four}}]] [[Karen|{{color|{{dark color dark}}|Karen}}]]

|} <includeonly>[[Category:Game characters]] [[Category:Manga characters]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Category:Gym Leaders navigation templates|E]]</noinclude>

Cheren

2012-05-12T18:38:12Z

Kookamooka:

{{CharInfobox|
color={{black color}} |
corecolor={{black color light}} |
bordercolor={{black color dark}} |
name=Cheren |
jname=チェレン |
tmname=Cheren |
text=white |
image=Black White Cheren.png |
size=129px |
caption=Art from Pokémon Black and White |
age=yes |
years=10+ |
gender=Male |
colors=yes |
eyes=Blue |
hair=Black |
hometown=[[Nuvema Town]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Gym Leader]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|V}} |
games={{2v2|Black|White}} {{2v2|Black|White|2}} |
leader=yes |
gym=Unknown |
specialist=yes |
type={{type2|Normal}}s{{sup|B2W2}} |
badge=Basic Badge |
team=no |
brain=no |
epnum= |
epname= |
anime=no|
enva= |
java= |
}}
'''Cheren''' (Japanese: '''チェレン''' ''Cheren'') is a [[rival]] character in {{game|Black and White|s}}, and a [[Gym Leader]] in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]].

==In the games==
===Role===
Cheren is a childhood friend of the {{player}} who, like the player, lives in the starting town of [[Nuvema Town]]. While he holds a greater knowledge in Pokémon than his friends and tends to offer the player advice during the course of their journey, his comments are often witty and intellectual. He also misunderstands [[Bianca]]'s humor often, to her dismay. Whilst [[Professor Juniper]] describes him as being very honest, she also remarks that he can be 'a little difficult'; his impatience in particular is often seen throughout the earlier stages of his journey. He is also described as being quite judgmental by [[Alder]].

In keeping with the theme of truth and ideals often seen in Black and White, Cheren represents those who pursue ideals—more precisely, as [[N]] pointed out in [[Chargestone Cave]], the ideal of strength. His goal is to become the {{pkmn|Champion}} and always strives to become stronger- yet the first time that Alder asked him why he strives to become stronger, he was quite unsure of his reasons. He then starts to ponder to himself how to do so—something that Alder said he used to do with his partner Pokémon as well—and what exactly it means to be strong. Alder also remarked that Cheren is a lot like [[Marshal]].

Like the player and Bianca, Cheren receives a [[starter Pokémon]] as a gift from [[Professor Juniper]] at the start of the game. He always chooses the starter with a type advantage over the player's starter. The player will encounter and battle him several times throughout the game. After the main storyline, Cheren can be found inside {{un|Victory Road}} where he can be battled once a day.

In [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]], two years have passed since the events in Black and White, and in that time Cheren has become the regional [[Normal-type]] [[Gym Leader]], replacing [[Lenora]], but still giving away [[Basic Badge|Basic Badges]].

====Sprites====
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px;"| [[File:Spr BW Cheren.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:BW Cheren Back.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px; padding:5px;"| [[File:VSCheren.png]]
|style="{{roundy|10px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px; padding:5px;"| [[File:Cheren Xtransceiver.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px; padding:5px;"| [[File:Cheren OD.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| {{color|fff|Cheren's Trainer sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's back sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's VS sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's Xtransceiver sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's overworld sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
|}

===Pokémon===
====In {{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====First battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Nuvema Town
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Nuvema Town
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Nuvema Town
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
}}

=====Second battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Striaton City
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ember|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Striaton City
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Water Gun|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Striaton City
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Vine Whip|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
}}

=====Third battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 3
|location=Unova Route 3
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ember|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Defense Curl|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 3
|location=Unova Route 3
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Water Gun|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Focus Energy|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Fury Swipes|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 3
|location=Unova Route 3
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Vine Whip|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Growth|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

=====Tag partner=====
Cheren will join the player against the {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}s.

{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Wellspring Cave
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Defense Curl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Odor Sleuth|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Wellspring Cave
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Water Gun|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Wellspring Cave
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Vine Whip|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Growth|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

=====Fourth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 4
|location=Unova Route 4
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=519
|pokemon=Pidove
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=511
|pokemon=Pansage
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Vine Whip
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=22
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Flame Charge
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Defense Curl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Arm Thrust
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 4
|location=Unova Route 4
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=519
|pokemon=Pidove
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=513
|pokemon=Pansear
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Incinerate
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Yawn
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=22
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Razor Shell
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Focus Energy
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Cutter
|move4type=Bug
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 4
|location=Unova Route 4
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=519
|pokemon=Pidove
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=515
|pokemon=Panpour
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Water Gun
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=22
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Leaf Tornado
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Wrap
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Growth
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Fifth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=511
|pokemon=Pansage
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Flame Charge
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Arm Thrust
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=513
|pokemon=Pansear
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Yawn
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Water Pulse
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Fury Cutter
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Razor Shell
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Energy
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=515
|pokemon=Panpour
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Mega Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leech Seed
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Leaf Tornado
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Growth
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Tag partner=====
Cheren will join the player against the {{tc|Preschooler}}s Sarah and Billy.

{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=511
|pokemon=Pansage
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Flame Charge
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Arm Thrust
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=513
|pokemon=Pansear
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Yawn
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Water Pulse
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Fury Cutter
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Razor Shell
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Energy
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=515
|pokemon=Panpour
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Mega Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leech Seed
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Leaf Tornado
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Growth
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Sixth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Twist Mountain
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hone Claws
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=33
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Roost
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=35
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Heat Crash
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Twist Mountain
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hone Claws
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=33
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Roost
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=35
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Fury Cutter
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Revenge
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aqua Jet
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Water Pulse
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Twist Mountain
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hone Claws
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=33
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Roost
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=35
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Mega Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leaf Blade
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Slam
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Seventh battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}4500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 10
|location=Unova Route 10
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=43
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Razor Wind
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Night Slash
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=500
|pokemon=Emboar
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Heat Crash
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Assurance
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flamethrower
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}4500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 10
|location=Unova Route 10
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=43
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Razor Wind
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Night Slash
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=503
|pokemon=Samurott
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Aqua Tail
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aqua Jet
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Encore
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}4500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 10
|location=Unova Route 10
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=43
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Razor Wind
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Night Slash
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=497
|pokemon=Serperior
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leaf Blade
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Coil
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Slam
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Eighth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Victory Road (Unova)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move3=Shadow Claw
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Fake Out
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move4=Payback
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Energy Ball
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=65
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Facade
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move1=U-turn
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=526
|pokemon=Gigalith
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sturdy
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Impact
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=612
|pokemon=Haxorus
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Dragon Gem
|move1=Outrage
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Surf
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=500
|pokemon=Emboar
|level=67
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Flare Blitz
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge
|move4type=Electric
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Head Smash
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Victory Road (Unova)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move3=Shadow Claw
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Fake Out
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move4=Payback
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Flamethrower
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=65
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Facade
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move1=U-turn
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=526
|pokemon=Gigalith
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sturdy
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Impact
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=612
|pokemon=Haxorus
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Dragon Gem
|move1=Outrage
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Surf
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=503
|pokemon=Samurott
|level=67
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Hydro Pump
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Blizzard
|move2type=Ice
|move2cat=Special
|move3=X-Scissor
|move3type=Bug
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Aqua Jet
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Physical

}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Victory Road (Unova)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move3=Shadow Claw
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Fake Out
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move4=Payback
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=65
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Facade
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move1=U-turn
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=526
|pokemon=Gigalith
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sturdy
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Impact
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=612
|pokemon=Haxorus
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Dragon Gem
|move1=Outrage
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Surf
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=497
|pokemon=Serperior
|level=67
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Focus Sash
|move4=Leaf Storm
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Special
|move3=Leaf Blade
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Physical
|move1=Coil
|move1type=Poison
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Tail
|move2type=Dragon
|move2cat=Physical
}}
}}



===Quotes===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
'''At [[Nuvema Town]]'''
*After first move
:''"I've finally become a Trainer... Everything starts from here!"''

*After defeat
:''"Ah! So that's a Pokémon battle!"''

*After losing
:''"I made a strange blunder in my first battle, but this feeling I have... I'm finally a Trainer. But first, we'd better go apologize to your mother about this messed-up room."''

*After winning
:''"This feeling... Finally, I'm a Trainer. On top of that, we'd better go apologize to your mother about this room."''

'''At [[Striaton City]]'''
*After first move
:''"Moves that never miss and moves that can attack first... There sure are a lot of different moves."''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"It's important to choose which item your Pokémon holds..."''

*After defeat
:''"I see! Losing to you means that I still have a lot to learn."''

'''At [[Unova Route 3|Route 3]]
*After first move
:''"Ugh! You choose a good move, as usual."'''

*Last Pokémon with low health:
:''"With my knowledge, I can bring out the strength of my Pokémon!"''

*After defeat:
:''"Why do you keep beating me? We have the same number of Gym Badges. We should be equals in strength..."''

'''At [[Unova Route 4|Route 4]]'''
*After first move
:''"You seem to understand the importance of the first attack very well."''

*Last Pokémon low on health
:''"If I can bring out the power of my Pokémon, I can still pull this off and win."''

*After defeat
:''"Impressive. But why can't I win?!"''

'''At [[Unova Route 5|Route 5]]'''
*After first move
:''"I see. I'm surprised you chose that move."''

*Last Pokémon low on health
:''"Mind you... It's not over yet!"''

*After defeat
:''"Well! You are strong, as usual!"''

'''At [[Twist Mountain]]'''
*After first move
:''"Your strength... And my strength... Right. Let's test them."''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"Can you be strong even if you lose? Is winning everything?"''

*After defeat
:''"Pokémon battles are fun. But what is it to be truly strong?"''

'''At [[Unova Route 10|Route 10]]'''
*After first move
:''"I will use everything that I've learned on this journey!"''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"My Pokémon and I will put all our energy into this battle!"''

*After defeat
:''"Thank you. You are really great."''

'''At [[Victory Road (Unova)|Victory Road]]'''
*After first move
:''"I know all my strengths and weaknesses now. Soon, I will also know all yours!"''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"It's not over yet. My Pokémon are with me!"''

*Last Pokémon on low health
:''"I believe in my Pokémon's strength, so I don't lose my calm."''

*After defeat
:''"Thank you! I saw what was missing in me."''

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Cheren (Adventures)}}
Cheren appears as a supporting character in Pokémon Adventures.

===Be a Master!! Pokémon BW===
Cheren is friends with both [[Monta]] and Bianca, he is very knowledgable about Pokémon, which Monta dislikes. Anywhere Monta slips up he won't hesitate to tell him the right way. He first appears with Bianca when Monta is attempting to capture a [[Wild Pokémon|wild]] {{p|Patrat}} and {{p|Watchog}}. Monta is just about to capture the Watchog which Cheren tells him that it is not the right way. He explains to Monta to remember that when two Pokémon come out at the same time, one should knock out the one they don't want before they can get the one that they do want. Cheren suddenly decides for all of them to take their Pokémon journey together, which a man on his bike overhears. He starts insult them making him and Monta angry.

He uses Tepig in a double battle with Monta's {{p|Snivy}} against a Bike Gang King's {{p|Braviary}}, it looks like they were about to lose, but they uses a combination attack which Cheren thinks of, fainting Braviary. Cheren battles Monta in [[PBW02]] using his Tepig, {{p|Pansage}} and {{p|Basculin}} against Monta's {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}}. He starts off with a lecture about triple battles. With his great knowledge of triple battles he gives Monta a hard time, but is eventually defeated.

====Pokémon====

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tepig
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Fire
|img=Cheren MPBW.png
|img_size=200px
|epnum=PBW01
|epname=
|desc=Cheren's {{p|Tepig}} is well trained and has a type advantage over [[Monta]]'s {{p|Snivy}}. It was first used in a [[Double battle]] with Snivy against the Bike Gang King's {{p|Braviary}}. After Snivy tries a {{m|Vine Whip}} which hardly does any damage, he goes in for a fire attack which hardly does any damage too. Tepig is then sent flying with {{m|Peck}}. It goes in with a {{m|Fire Pledge}} with {{m|Grass Pledge}} creating the combination needed to defeat Braviary.

It battles Monta in [[PBW02]] with {{p|Pansage}} and {{p|Basculin}} against Monta's {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}}. It starts off with an {{m|Ember}} on Snivy, before taking a hit for Basculin by switching places with it, not hurting it much. But seconds later, Panpour uses {{m|Surf}} fainting it.

Tepig's known moves are {{m|Fire Pledge}} and {{m|Ember}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Pansage
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Grass
|img=
|img_size=200px
|epnum=PBW02
|epname=
|desc=Cheren's {{p|Pansage}} was first seen in a battle against [[Monta]]'s {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}} with {{p|Tepig}} and {{p|Basculin}}. It gets hurt a tiny bit by Panpour's {{m|Surf}}, but along with Basculin is defeated by a powerful {{m|Rock Slide}} by Roggenrola.

None of Pansage's moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Basculin
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Water
|img=
|img_size=200px
|epnum=PBW02
|epname=
|desc=Cheren's {{p|Basculin}} was first seen in a battle against [[Monta]]'s {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}} with {{p|Tepig}} and {{p|Pansage}}. It is about to get hit by Snivy's {{m|Vine Whip}} but switches places with Tepig. It then gets hit by Panpour's {{m|Surf}} which does not do much damage. But along with Pansage is defeated by a powerful {{m|Rock Slide}} from Roggenrola, fainting it.

None of Basculin's moves are known.}}

==Trivia==
* Cheren, [[Bianca]], and [[N]] are the only Trainers in {{game|Black and White|s}} with animated battle sprites.
* Cheren is the only named rival who keeps his Japanese name.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #{{black color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{black color}}"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Japanese
|チェレン ''Cheren''
|черен ''čéren'', Bulgarian for ''black''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|English, German, Spanish
|Cheren
|Same as Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|French
|Tcheren
|Same as Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Italian
|Komor
|Possibly ''komor'', Hungarian for ''gloomy''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Korean
|체렌 ''Cheren''
|Same as Japanese name.
|}
{{-}}

 
{{Rival characters}}
{{NPC|black|unova=yes}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Be a Master!! Pokémon BW characters]]
[[Category:Black 2 and White 2 characters]]
[[Category:Gym Leaders]]
[[Category:Normal-type Trainers]]

[[de:Cheren]]
[[es:Cheren]]
[[fr:Tcheren]]
[[ja:チェレン]]
[[pl:Cheren]]

Cheren

2012-05-12T18:36:50Z

Kookamooka: /* Role */

{{CharInfobox|
color={{black color}} |
corecolor={{black color light}} |
bordercolor={{black color dark}} |
name=Cheren |
jname=チェレン |
tmname=Cheren |
text=white |
image=Black White Cheren.png |
size=129px |
caption=Art from Pokémon Black and White |
age=yes |
years=10+ |
gender=Male |
colors=yes |
eyes=Blue |
hair=Black |
hometown=[[Nuvema Town]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Gym Leader]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|V}} |
games={{2v2|Black|White}} {{2v2|Black|White|2}} |
leader=yes |
gym=Unknown |
specialist=yes |
type={{type2|Normal}}s{{sup|B2W2}} |
badge=Basic Badge |
team=no |
brain=no |
epnum= |
epname= |
anime=no|
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}}
'''Cheren''' (Japanese: '''チェレン''' ''Cheren'') is a [[rival]] character in {{game|Black and White|s}}, and a [[Gym Leader]] in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]].

==In the games==
===Role===
Cheren is a childhood friend of the {{player}} who, like the player, lives in the starting town of [[Nuvema Town]]. While he holds a greater knowledge in Pokémon than his friends and tends to offer the player advice during the course of their journey, his comments are often witty and intellectual. He also misunderstands [[Bianca]]'s humor often, to her dismay. Whilst [[Professor Juniper]] describes him as being very honest, she also remarks that he can be 'a little difficult'; his impatience in particular is often seen throughout the earlier stages of his journey. He is also described as being quite judgmental by [[Alder]].

In keeping with the theme of truth and ideals often seen in Black and White, Cheren represents those who pursue ideals—more precisely, as [[N]] pointed out in [[Chargestone Cave]], the ideal of strength. His goal is to become the {{pkmn|Champion}} and always strives to become stronger- yet the first time that Alder asked him why he strives to become stronger, he was quite unsure of his reasons. He then starts to ponder to himself how to do so—something that Alder said he used to do with his partner Pokémon as well—and what exactly it means to be strong. Alder also remarked that Cheren is a lot like [[Marshal]].

Like the player and Bianca, Cheren receives a [[starter Pokémon]] as a gift from [[Professor Juniper]] at the start of the game. He always chooses the starter with a type advantage over the player's starter. The player will encounter and battle him several times throughout the game. After the main storyline, Cheren can be found inside {{un|Victory Road}} where he can be battled once a day.

In [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]], two years have passed since the events in Black and White, and in that time Cheren has become the regional [[Normal-type]] [[Gym Leader]], replacing [[Lenora]], but still giving away [[Basic Badges]].

====Sprites====
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px;"| [[File:Spr BW Cheren.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:BW Cheren Back.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px; padding:5px;"| [[File:VSCheren.png]]
|style="{{roundy|10px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px; padding:5px;"| [[File:Cheren Xtransceiver.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:80px; padding:5px;"| [[File:Cheren OD.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| {{color|fff|Cheren's Trainer sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's back sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's VS sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's Xtransceiver sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| {{color|fff|Cheren's overworld sprite from}} {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
|}

===Pokémon===
====In {{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====First battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Nuvema Town
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Nuvema Town
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Nuvema Town
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
}}

=====Second battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Striaton City
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ember|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Striaton City
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Water Gun|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Striaton City
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Vine Whip|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=8
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
}}

=====Third battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 3
|location=Unova Route 3
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Ember|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Defense Curl|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 3
|location=Unova Route 3
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Water Gun|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Focus Energy|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Fury Swipes|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}1200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 3
|location=Unova Route 3
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Vine Whip|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Growth|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

=====Tag partner=====
Cheren will join the player against the {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}s.

{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Wellspring Cave
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=498
|pokemon=Tepig
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Defense Curl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Odor Sleuth|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Wellspring Cave
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=501
|pokemon=Oshawott
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Water Gun|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Wellspring Cave
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=495
|pokemon=Snivy
|level=14
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Oran Berry
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Vine Whip|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Growth|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=509
|pokemon=Purrloin
|level=12
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Assist|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sand-Attack|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Status}}
}}

=====Fourth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 4
|location=Unova Route 4
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=519
|pokemon=Pidove
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=511
|pokemon=Pansage
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Vine Whip
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=22
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Flame Charge
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Defense Curl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Arm Thrust
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 4
|location=Unova Route 4
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=519
|pokemon=Pidove
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=513
|pokemon=Pansear
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Incinerate
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Yawn
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=22
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Razor Shell
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Focus Energy
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Cutter
|move4type=Bug
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 4
|location=Unova Route 4
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=519
|pokemon=Pidove
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=515
|pokemon=Panpour
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Water Gun
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=22
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Leaf Tornado
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Wrap
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Growth
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Fifth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=511
|pokemon=Pansage
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Flame Charge
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Arm Thrust
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=513
|pokemon=Pansear
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Yawn
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Water Pulse
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Fury Cutter
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Razor Shell
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Energy
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}2600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=515
|pokemon=Panpour
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Mega Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leech Seed
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Leaf Tornado
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Growth
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Tag partner=====
Cheren will join the player against the {{tc|Preschooler}}s Sarah and Billy.

{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=511
|pokemon=Pansage
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Flame Charge
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Arm Thrust
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=513
|pokemon=Pansear
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Yawn
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Water Pulse
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Fury Cutter
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Razor Shell
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Energy
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=BW Cheren Back.png
|prize=None
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 5
|location=Unova Route 5
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|move1=Pursuit
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=515
|pokemon=Panpour
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Water Sport
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=520
|pokemon=Tranquill
|level=24
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Roost
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|back=yes
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Mega Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leech Seed
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Leaf Tornado
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Growth
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Sixth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Twist Mountain
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hone Claws
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=33
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Roost
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=499
|pokemon=Pignite
|level=35
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Heat Crash
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rollout
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smog
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Twist Mountain
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hone Claws
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=33
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Roost
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=502
|pokemon=Dewott
|level=35
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Fury Cutter
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Revenge
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aqua Jet
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Water Pulse
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}3500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Twist Mountain
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Torment
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Fake Out
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hone Claws
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=33
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=33
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Roost
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=496
|pokemon=Servine
|level=35
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Mega Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leaf Blade
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Slam
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Seventh battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}4500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 10
|location=Unova Route 10
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=43
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Razor Wind
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Seed Bomb
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Night Slash
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=500
|pokemon=Emboar
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Heat Crash
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Assurance
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flamethrower
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Special
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}4500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 10
|location=Unova Route 10
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=43
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Razor Wind
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Burst
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Night Slash
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=503
|pokemon=Samurott
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Aqua Tail
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aqua Jet
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Encore
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}4500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|locationname=Route 10
|location=Unova Route 10
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=43
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move1=Razor Wind
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Detect
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move1=Lick
|move1type=Ghost
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Scald
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Leer
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=43
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Assurance
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Night Slash
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slash
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=497
|pokemon=Serperior
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Drain
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Leaf Blade
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Coil
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Slam
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Eighth battle=====
{{MSP|495|Snivy}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Snivy}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Victory Road (Unova)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move3=Shadow Claw
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Fake Out
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Miracle Seed
|move4=Payback
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Energy Ball
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Special
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=65
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Facade
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move1=U-turn
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=526
|pokemon=Gigalith
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sturdy
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Impact
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=612
|pokemon=Haxorus
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Dragon Gem
|move1=Outrage
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Surf
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=500
|pokemon=Emboar
|level=67
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Flare Blitz
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge
|move4type=Electric
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Head Smash
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|498|Tepig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Tepig}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Victory Road (Unova)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move3=Shadow Claw
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Fake Out
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Charcoal
|move4=Payback
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Flamethrower
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=65
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Facade
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move1=U-turn
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=526
|pokemon=Gigalith
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sturdy
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Impact
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=612
|pokemon=Haxorus
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Dragon Gem
|move1=Outrage
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Surf
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=503
|pokemon=Samurott
|level=67
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Hydro Pump
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Blizzard
|move2type=Ice
|move2cat=Special
|move3=X-Scissor
|move3type=Bug
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Aqua Jet
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Physical

}}
}}

{{MSP|501|Oshawott}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Oshawott}}:
{{Party
|color={{black color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cheren.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cheren
|game=BW
|location=Victory Road (Unova)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Unburden
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move3=Shadow Claw
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Fake Out
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Mystic Water
|move4=Payback
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move3=Brick Break
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Slide
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=521
|pokemon=Unfezant
|level=65
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Super Luck
|held=Scope Lens
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Facade
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
|move3=Air Slash
|move3type=Flying
|move3cat=Special
|move1=U-turn
|move1type=Bug
|move1cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=526
|pokemon=Gigalith
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Rock
|ability=Sturdy
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Giga Impact
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Stone Edge
|move2type=Rock
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stealth Rock
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Status
}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=612
|pokemon=Haxorus
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Dragon
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Dragon Gem
|move1=Outrage
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move3cat=Physical
|move2=X-Scissor
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move4=Surf
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special
}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=497
|pokemon=Serperior
|level=67
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|held=Focus Sash
|move4=Leaf Storm
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Special
|move3=Leaf Blade
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Physical
|move1=Coil
|move1type=Poison
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Tail
|move2type=Dragon
|move2cat=Physical
}}
}}



===Quotes===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
'''At [[Nuvema Town]]'''
*After first move
:''"I've finally become a Trainer... Everything starts from here!"''

*After defeat
:''"Ah! So that's a Pokémon battle!"''

*After losing
:''"I made a strange blunder in my first battle, but this feeling I have... I'm finally a Trainer. But first, we'd better go apologize to your mother about this messed-up room."''

*After winning
:''"This feeling... Finally, I'm a Trainer. On top of that, we'd better go apologize to your mother about this room."''

'''At [[Striaton City]]'''
*After first move
:''"Moves that never miss and moves that can attack first... There sure are a lot of different moves."''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"It's important to choose which item your Pokémon holds..."''

*After defeat
:''"I see! Losing to you means that I still have a lot to learn."''

'''At [[Unova Route 3|Route 3]]
*After first move
:''"Ugh! You choose a good move, as usual."'''

*Last Pokémon with low health:
:''"With my knowledge, I can bring out the strength of my Pokémon!"''

*After defeat:
:''"Why do you keep beating me? We have the same number of Gym Badges. We should be equals in strength..."''

'''At [[Unova Route 4|Route 4]]'''
*After first move
:''"You seem to understand the importance of the first attack very well."''

*Last Pokémon low on health
:''"If I can bring out the power of my Pokémon, I can still pull this off and win."''

*After defeat
:''"Impressive. But why can't I win?!"''

'''At [[Unova Route 5|Route 5]]'''
*After first move
:''"I see. I'm surprised you chose that move."''

*Last Pokémon low on health
:''"Mind you... It's not over yet!"''

*After defeat
:''"Well! You are strong, as usual!"''

'''At [[Twist Mountain]]'''
*After first move
:''"Your strength... And my strength... Right. Let's test them."''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"Can you be strong even if you lose? Is winning everything?"''

*After defeat
:''"Pokémon battles are fun. But what is it to be truly strong?"''

'''At [[Unova Route 10|Route 10]]'''
*After first move
:''"I will use everything that I've learned on this journey!"''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"My Pokémon and I will put all our energy into this battle!"''

*After defeat
:''"Thank you. You are really great."''

'''At [[Victory Road (Unova)|Victory Road]]'''
*After first move
:''"I know all my strengths and weaknesses now. Soon, I will also know all yours!"''

*Sending out last Pokémon
:''"It's not over yet. My Pokémon are with me!"''

*Last Pokémon on low health
:''"I believe in my Pokémon's strength, so I don't lose my calm."''

*After defeat
:''"Thank you! I saw what was missing in me."''

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Cheren (Adventures)}}
Cheren appears as a supporting character in Pokémon Adventures.

===Be a Master!! Pokémon BW===
Cheren is friends with both [[Monta]] and Bianca, he is very knowledgable about Pokémon, which Monta dislikes. Anywhere Monta slips up he won't hesitate to tell him the right way. He first appears with Bianca when Monta is attempting to capture a [[Wild Pokémon|wild]] {{p|Patrat}} and {{p|Watchog}}. Monta is just about to capture the Watchog which Cheren tells him that it is not the right way. He explains to Monta to remember that when two Pokémon come out at the same time, one should knock out the one they don't want before they can get the one that they do want. Cheren suddenly decides for all of them to take their Pokémon journey together, which a man on his bike overhears. He starts insult them making him and Monta angry.

He uses Tepig in a double battle with Monta's {{p|Snivy}} against a Bike Gang King's {{p|Braviary}}, it looks like they were about to lose, but they uses a combination attack which Cheren thinks of, fainting Braviary. Cheren battles Monta in [[PBW02]] using his Tepig, {{p|Pansage}} and {{p|Basculin}} against Monta's {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}}. He starts off with a lecture about triple battles. With his great knowledge of triple battles he gives Monta a hard time, but is eventually defeated.

====Pokémon====

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tepig
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Fire
|img=Cheren MPBW.png
|img_size=200px
|epnum=PBW01
|epname=
|desc=Cheren's {{p|Tepig}} is well trained and has a type advantage over [[Monta]]'s {{p|Snivy}}. It was first used in a [[Double battle]] with Snivy against the Bike Gang King's {{p|Braviary}}. After Snivy tries a {{m|Vine Whip}} which hardly does any damage, he goes in for a fire attack which hardly does any damage too. Tepig is then sent flying with {{m|Peck}}. It goes in with a {{m|Fire Pledge}} with {{m|Grass Pledge}} creating the combination needed to defeat Braviary.

It battles Monta in [[PBW02]] with {{p|Pansage}} and {{p|Basculin}} against Monta's {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}}. It starts off with an {{m|Ember}} on Snivy, before taking a hit for Basculin by switching places with it, not hurting it much. But seconds later, Panpour uses {{m|Surf}} fainting it.

Tepig's known moves are {{m|Fire Pledge}} and {{m|Ember}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Pansage
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Grass
|img=
|img_size=200px
|epnum=PBW02
|epname=
|desc=Cheren's {{p|Pansage}} was first seen in a battle against [[Monta]]'s {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}} with {{p|Tepig}} and {{p|Basculin}}. It gets hurt a tiny bit by Panpour's {{m|Surf}}, but along with Basculin is defeated by a powerful {{m|Rock Slide}} by Roggenrola.

None of Pansage's moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Basculin
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Water
|img=
|img_size=200px
|epnum=PBW02
|epname=
|desc=Cheren's {{p|Basculin}} was first seen in a battle against [[Monta]]'s {{p|Snivy}}, {{p|Panpour}} and {{p|Roggenrola}} with {{p|Tepig}} and {{p|Pansage}}. It is about to get hit by Snivy's {{m|Vine Whip}} but switches places with Tepig. It then gets hit by Panpour's {{m|Surf}} which does not do much damage. But along with Pansage is defeated by a powerful {{m|Rock Slide}} from Roggenrola, fainting it.

None of Basculin's moves are known.}}

==Trivia==
* Cheren, [[Bianca]], and [[N]] are the only Trainers in {{game|Black and White|s}} with animated battle sprites.
* Cheren is the only named rival who keeps his Japanese name.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #{{black color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{black color}}"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Japanese
|チェレン ''Cheren''
|черен ''čéren'', Bulgarian for ''black''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|English, German, Spanish
|Cheren
|Same as Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|French
|Tcheren
|Same as Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Italian
|Komor
|Possibly ''komor'', Hungarian for ''gloomy''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Korean
|체렌 ''Cheren''
|Same as Japanese name.
|}
{{-}}

 
{{Rival characters}}
{{NPC|black|unova=yes}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

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