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Raikou (Pokémon)

2010-10-14T21:23:18Z

Kobra:

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{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Raikou |
jname=ライコウ |
tmname=Raikou |
art=HGSS |
size=210px |
pron=<sc>rai-ko</sc> |
ndex=243 |
oldjdex=238|
jdex=243 |
hdex=378 |
fbrow=203 |
obrow=126 |
typen=1 |
type1=Electric |
type2= |
species=Thunder |
height-ftin=6'03" |
height-m=1.9 |
weight-lbs=392.4 |
weight-kg=178.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
ability2= |
abilityd=Volt Absorb |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=80 |
evsp=2 |
evsa=1 |
expyield=216 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255 |
female=0 |
male=0 |
color=Yellow |
catchrate=3 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=raikou |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}

'''Raikou''' (Japanese: '''ライコウ''' ''Raikou'') is an {{type2|Electric}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

It is, along with {{p|Entei}} and {{p|Suicune}}, one of the [[legendary beasts]] created by {{p|Ho-Oh}} after the burning of the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]]. Of the three legendary beasts, Raikou is said to represent the lightning strike which ignited the burning Brass Tower.

==Biology==

===Physiology===
Raikou is a yellow tiger-like creature with black stripes that resemble lightning bolts and a white under-side. Raikou has a skinny, light-blue tail with a star-shaped formation at the end. Raikou appears to have a purple cape that is supposedly made of thunderclouds. Most of Raikou's face is white with a light-blue "X" on its face and a gray crest on its forehead. Raikou has red eyes and long fangs in its upper jaws that make its appearance similar to the sabre-tooth cat.
====Gender differences====
Raikou is a genderless species.

====Special abilities====
Raikou has the ability to shoot bolts of lightning from the rain clouds on its back. Raikou can also attack using its fangs and has limited psychic powers. Raikou has also shown an ability to create storm clouds from its cape, allowing it to fly, however this has only been seen in the Pokémon Adventures manga, whilst attacking [[Falkner]].

===Behavior===
Raikou is normally distrustful of humans due to the fact that humans have tried to capture the Legendary Beast of Thunder for many centuries, though it has shown some friendship with those that just wish to help it. Raikou tends to show up either when there is a thunderstorm or when other Electric-type Pokémon are in danger.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Grassland.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon}}]]
As a member of the legendary beast trio, Raikou is constantly on the move and seems to lack any set place where they show up.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Being an Electric Type Pokémon, Raikou tends to feed on electricity at most Powerplants and Storm clouds.

==In the anime==
[[File:Raikou anime.png|right|thumb|260px|Raikou in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Raikou (Legend of Thunder)]]====
Raikou appeared in the [[Pokémon Chronicles]] episode, ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' where members of [[Team Rocket]] hunt down and attempt to catch Raikou.

====Other====
A shiny Raikou made its first movie appearance alongside {{p|Celebi}}, and the other members of its [[Legendary beasts|trio]] in the thirteenth Pokémon movie, ''[[M13|Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Raikou first appeared in ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]''. It was spotted by {{TP|Misty|Togepi|Togetic}} and a {{p|Houndoom}} before it disappeared.

The [[Mauville City]] [[Gym Leader]] [[Wattson]] owns many Raikou robots which he uses in his Gym.

Raikou made a small cameo at the opening of ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.

Raikou also had a minor appearance in {{an|Dawn}}'s {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}'s dream in ''[[DP137|Three Sides to Every Story!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|The Legend of Thunder!|Raikou|Jimmy's Pokédex|Raikou, the Thunder Pokémon. It is said to have descended to earth on a bolt of lightning.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}

==In the manga==
===[[Pokémon Adventures]]===
Raikou was awakened by {{adv|Yellow}} along with its two counterparts, and the three raced around [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] looking for {{pkmn|Trainer}}s to help them defeat the [[Masked Man]] to free {{p|Ho-Oh}} and repay the debt of the latter saving its life. Nearing the end of the chapter, Raikou eventually pairs up with [[Lt. Surge]] after encountering and escaping [[Falkner]], and later {{adv|Gold}}. Once Ho-Oh is freed and [[Pryce]], the true identity of the Masked Man, is defeated, it once again roams the lands of Johto with {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}.

{{FB|Salon Maiden|Anabel}} also owns a Raikou in the {{ho|Battle Frontier}} saga. It has been confirmed that it is the same Raikou as the one that befriended Gold, having caught it sometime before the {{chap|Emerald}} in Johto. Raikou is more powerful than any other Electric-type Pokémon in the manga because billowing thunder clouds follow it everywhere carried on its back, allowing it to perform powerful attacks, such as {{m|Thunder}}, more quickly and efficiently than regular Electric Pokémon. Strangely, despite clearly possessing sentient intelligence like its fellow beasts, it obeyed Anabel's commands to battle {{adv|Emerald}} without question while she was under psychic control of [[Guile Hideout]]. After he is defeated and the Battle Frontier is saved, Raikou is seen interacting with Gold and {{adv|Crystal}}, and has not appeared since.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Raikou (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Raikou releases a powerful {{m|Spark}} attack that electrocutes any opponents that get caught in it. Raikou is the only [[legendary beasts|legendary beast]] that does not return in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]].

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=electric
|gen=2
|golddex=The rain clouds it carries let it fire {{m|thunderbolt}}s at will. They say that it descended with lightning.
|silverdex=A Pokémon that races across the land while barking a cry that sounds like crashing {{m|thunder}}.
|crystaldex=This rough Pokémon stores energy in its body, then sweeps across the land, shooting off electricity.
|rsdex=Raikou embodies the speed of lightning. The {{m|roar}}s of this Pokémon send shock waves shuddering through the air and shake the ground as if lightning bolts had come crashing down.
|emeralddex=Raikou embodies the speed of lightning. Its roars send shock waves shuddering through the air and ground as if lightning bolts were crashing down.
|firereddex=This Pokémon races across the land while barking a cry that sounds like crashing thunder.
|leafgreendex=The rain clouds it carries let it fire thunderbolts at will. They say that it descended with lightning.
|stadium2dex=The rain clouds it carries let it fire thunderbolts at will. They say that it descended with lightning.
|dpptdex=It is said to have fallen with lightning. It can fire thunderbolts from the rain clouds on its back.
|heartgolddex=The rain clouds it carries let it fire thunderbolts at will. They say that it descended with lightning.
|soulsilverdex=A Pokémon that races across the land while barking a cry that sounds like crashing thunder.
|bwdex={{tt|カミナリと　ともに　おちてきたと　いわれている。せなかの　あまぐもから　カミナリを　うちだすことが　できる。|It is said to have fallen with lightning. It can fire thunderbolts from the rain clouds on its back.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=electric |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=One |
gsarea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Johto]] |
crarity=One |
carea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Johto]] |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Kanto]] (with {{p|Squirtle}} as {{pkmn2|starter}}) |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[Shadow Pokémon Laboratory]] |
coloshadow=yes |
gen4ex=hgss |
hgssrarity=One |
hgssarea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Johto]] |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=electric
|trozei=Random Agent Cards [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Lightning Field]] (30F)
|ranger=[[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Concealed Ruins]] (B20F){{tt|*|with Mystery Part or Secret Slab in the bag}}
|md3=[[Southeastern Islands]] (B12F-B24F; appears on random floor after accepting challenge letter)
|ranger3=[[Wireless Tower]] [[Rand's House]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=Electric}}
{{eventAvail|M13|13th Movie Premiere|Japan|2010|30}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=electric
|event1=Micle Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=electric|
HP= 90 |
Attack= 85 |
Defense=75 |
SpAtk= 115 |
SpDef= 100 |
Speed= 115 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Electric
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=electric|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
voltabsorb=maybe|}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Raikou|Electric|Electric|5|2}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Spark|Electric|Physical|65|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/level5|78|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Raikou|Electric|Electric|5|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Raikou|Electric|Electric|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Canon|Normal|Special|60|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM60|Postpone|Dark|Status|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM72|Volt Change|Electric|Special|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Smooth Over|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Bolt|Electric|Physical|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM95|Bark Out|Dark|Special|55|95|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Raikou|Electric|Electric|5|2}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Raikou|Electric|Electric|4|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|Tough|3|||no|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Raikou|Electric|Electric|4|2}}

====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh|Raikou|Electric|Electric|4|2}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M13|13th Movie Premiere]] {{pkmn2|Event}}|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|Cool|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M13|13th Movie Premiere]] {{pkmn2|Event}}|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Special|90|—|20|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M13|13th Movie Premiere]] {{pkmn2|Event}}|Weather Ball|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M13|13th Movie Premiere]] {{pkmn2|Event}}|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Raikou|Electric|Electric|4|2}}

====Special moves====
{{Shadow moves|243|40|Shadow Rush|--|--|--|Rain Dance|Water|Leer|Normal|Quick Attack|Normal|Thunder|Electric|colo|electric|electric}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=electric |
ndex=243 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=0.1 |
area=Sacred Field |
P1=I am the thunderbolt that races through the fields! |
P2=I don't like this... My HP is cut to half? |
P3=This is it... The power of lightning fails here... |
PL=I gained a level! May lightning bolts empower me! |
Ranger=yes |
group=Electric |
assist=Electric |
field=Recharge |
fieldpower=3 |
loop=11 |
MinEXP=500 |
MaxEXP=600 |
browser=Raikou is a [[legendary Pokémon]] that dashes while dropping thunderbolts. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=2 |
rate2=5 |
iq=D |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Electric |
assist3=Electric |
field3=None |
field3power=- |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=243
|name1=Raikou
|type1-1=Electric}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=electric|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=243|
name=Raikou|
}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:RaikouEntry.jpg|thumb|right|Raikou in {{jo|Jimmy}}'s Pokédex]]
* Raikou is the only Pokémon in the anime whose image on the anime [[Pokédex]] was of stylized art rather than [[Ken Sugimori]]'s official artwork for it.
* In the [[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] dub of the anime, Raikou's name is frequently mispronounced as ''rai-kuu,'' rather than ''rai-ko''.
* Raikou is the only member of its trio not to be weak to another member of its trio. Entei is weak against Suicune and Suicune is weak against Raikou, but Raikou is not weak to either of them.
* In Pokémon Gold and Silver's sprite, Raikou's facial design does not match its official artwork, but this was corrected in Crystal.
* The order that the beasts appears in the National Pokédex is the order of the events that happened at the Burned Tower; The lightning that started the fire (Raikou), the fire that consumed the Brass Tower (Entei) and the rain that quenched the fire (Suicune).

===Origin===
Raikou is based on the 雷獣 ''{{wp|raijū}}'', a thunder demon of Japanese lore. In regards to physical build, it is based on the ''{{wp|Smilodon fatalis}}'', a well-known but extinct species of wildcat often referred to as a saber-toothed tiger. Its color and pattern scheme are reminiscent to that of a {{wp|Tiger}}. In the anime, Raikou is shown to be very agile, swift, stealthy, and a powerful attacker, just like a tiger. It has sharp claws in addition to it's long fangs, and its roar, which sounds like thunder, is so loud it can be heard miles away. The stripes that decorate Raikou's body also can be compared to zigzagging thunderbolts and perhaps even scars from claws. The white ruff around Raikou's face is akin to the {{wp|Siberian Tiger}} 's thick fur around its neck. The grey "plate" atop its head may be similar to Entei's head ornament, being either a helmet or crown that signifies courage and power.
Raikou is particularly based on the Thunder and Lightning gods of most cultures surrounding the world. The flowing purple mane on its back is likely meant to invoke the image of a {{wp|cumulonimbus cloud}}, the cloud type most often associated with thunderstorms.

====Name origin====
The name in Japanese could be taken to mean 雷光, raikou, lightning. It could also be a combination of 雷 ''rai'', thunder and 皇 ''kō'', emperor. Its name may also come from 雷公 ''raikō'' ("thunder duke"), identical to the name of the Taoist deity {{wp|Lei Gong}}.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Raikou
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Raikou
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 라이코 ''Raiko''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan and Hong Kong)]]: 雷公 ''Léi Gōng'' - From its Japanese name. Literally "Thunder duke". Shares its name with the ancient Chinese god of thunder, Lei Gong.

==Related articles==
* [[Legendary beasts]]

==External links==
==Notes==
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Patrat (Pokémon)

2010-10-12T02:46:08Z

Kobra:

{{Unknown Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Daikenki | next=Miruhog| prevnum=503| nextnum=505| type=Normal }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
jname=ミネズミ |
tmname=Minezumi |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''mi-neh-zu-mi''</sc> |
species=Lookout|
typen=1 |
type1=Normal |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Run Away |
ability2=Keen Eye |
abilityd=Analyze |
ndex=504 |
idex=010 |

height-m=0.5 |

weight-kg=11.6 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Ground |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
expyield=51 |
evat=1|
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=255 |
body=Unknown |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ミネズミ''' ''Minezumi'') is a {{type2|Normal}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Miruhog}} starting at [[level]] 20.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Minezumi is a rodent-like Pokémon that resembles a chipmunk. It is mostly brown with a tan stomach and face. Its tail is long and straight with a scruffy white tip. It has a large pointed tooth that sticks out of its mouth. Minezumi has a flat face, and its cheeks are very round. Its ears are small and pointed. Its head has a black band that covers the eyes, which have red irises with a yellow ring, and black pupils. Its feet are small and black, with three toes.

====Gender differences====

===Special abilities===

===Behavior===
Minezumi are very concious and wary regarding its surroundings and are always on guard. If they sense an impending danger, it signals its companions using its tail.

===Habitat===
Groups of Minezumi live on treetops.

===Diet===

==In the anime==
[[File:Minezumi anime.png|thumb|220px|Minezumi in the anime]]
A group of Minezumi appeared in [[BW001]]. Multiple Minezumi also appeared in [[BW002]].

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===
Multiple Minezumi made a brief cameo in [[BW003]] with multiple {{p|Mamepato}} and {{p|Shikijika}} where they needed help from {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr|his friends}}.

One appeared to be owned by a [[Trainer]] in [[BW004]] where it was seen on the [[Battle Club]] computer screen.

==In the manga==
[[File:Monta Minezumi.png|thumb|right|Monta's Minezumi in Pokémon Master Black & White]]
===In the Pokémon Master Black & White manga===
In the [[Pokémon Master Black & White]] manga, [[Monta]] captures a Minezumi in [[PMBW01]].

==In the TCG==


==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Normal
|gen=5
|blackdex={{tt|ほほの　ふくろに　エサを　ためこみ　なんにちも　みはりを　つづける。しっぽで　なかまに　あいずする。|It continues keeping watch for several days, saving up food in its cheek pouches. It signals to its companions with its tail.}}
|whitedex={{tt|けいかいしんが　つよく　こうたいで　すあなの　まわりを　みはりつづける。みはりが　いないと　ふあんなのだ。|They are extremely wary and keep watch outside their burrows in turns. They become anxious if no one keeps watch.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Normal|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Unknown|
bwarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|1|Isshu}}, {{rtn|2|Isshu}}, {{rtn|3|Isshu}}, [[Site of Dreams]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Base stats
|HP=45
|Attack=55
|Defense=39
|SpAtk=35
|SpDef=39
|Speed=42
|type=Normal
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=Normal|
type2=|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Minezumi|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|3|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/level5|18|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|—|60|20||}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Super Fang|Normal|Physical|—|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|23|Go Ahead|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/level5|26|Cheer Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Hyper Fang|Normal|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40||}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Minezumi|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Minezumi|Normal|Normal|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Canon|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliation|Normal|Physical|70|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Cheer Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Minezumi|Normal|Normal|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
*Foresight
*Iron Tail
*Screech
*Assurance
*Pursuit
*Revenge
*Howl

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====

====Special moves====

====[[TCG]]-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=504
|name1=Minezumi
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=505
|name2=Miruhog
|type1-2=Normal
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=normal |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Minezumi |
ndex=504 |
}}

==Trivia==

===Origin===
It appears to be based on a {{wp|prairie dog}}, {{wp|chipmunk}} or {{wp|meerkat}}.
====Name origin====
Minezumi is derived from 見 ''mi'', looking, and 木鼠 ''kinezumi'', squirrel.

==In other languages==


==External links==

==Notes==
<references />
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Daikenki | next=Miruhog| prevnum=503| nextnum=505| type=Normal }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}



[[de:Minezumi]]
[[fr:Minezumi]]
[[ja:ミネズミ]]

Inferno (move)

2010-10-12T02:42:42Z

Kobra:

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desc={{tt|激しい　炎で相手を　包みこみ　攻撃する。やけど状態に　する。|It surrounds the opponent with a violent flame that always burns the opponent if it hits.}} |
type=Fire|
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=5 |
maxpp=8 |
power=100 |
accuracy=50 |
bdesc=??? |
gen=V |
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magiccoat=no |
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brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=no |
flag7=no |
flag8=yes |
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footnotes= }}
'''Purgatory''' (Japanese: '''れんごく''' ''Purgatory'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Fire}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation V]].

==Effect==
Purgatory deals damage and will always {{status|Burn|burn}} the target if it hits.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation V]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Fire}}
{{Moveentry|004|Charmander|1|Fire||46|'''}}
{{Moveentry|005|Charmeleon|1|Fire||54|'''}}
{{Moveentry|006|Charizard|2|Fire|Flying|62|'''}}
{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||44|'''}}
{{Moveentry|077|Ponyta|1|Fire||33|'''}}
{{Moveentry|078|Rapidash|1|Fire||33|'''}}
{{Moveentry|155|Cyndaquil|1|Fire||46|'''}}
{{Moveentry|156|Quilava|1|Fire||53|'''}}
{{Moveentry|157|Typhlosion|1|Fire||56|'''}}
{{Moveentry|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire|56|'''}}
{{Moveentry|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire|65|'''}}
{{Moveentry|324|Torkoal|1|Fire||60|'''}}
{{Moveentry|494|Victini|2|Psychic|Fire|57|'''}}
{{Moveentry|607|Hitomoshi|2|Ghost|Fire|38|'''}}
{{Moveentry|608|Ranpuraa|2|Ghost|Fire|38|'''}}
{{Moveentry|631|Kuitaran|1|Fire||61|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{Breedlist|Fire}}
{{Moveentry|218|Slugma|1|Fire||{{p|Hitomoshi}}, {{p|Ranpuraa}}|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer/breeding}}

==In other languages==
{{DynamicPunch}}
[[Zap Cannon]]
{{Project MoveDex notice}}

[[de:Rengoku]]

Talk:Ethan (game)

2010-08-01T04:07:30Z

Kobra:

Hey, one of his opcional names is "Chris". [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:01, 24 September 2007
:Only in Crystal, though. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 16:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, as you know, "Chris" can be a guy and a girl's name.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 12:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==
The Sunday preview confirmed him --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 23:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== ARTWORK ==
I have a better Artwork for him (i think)
http://i44.tinypic.com/30cogw3.jpg
should we use this?--[[User:DawnXPiplup|DawnXPiplup]] 09:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::I wouldn't say that one is better. It's not as good as quality as the other one. Plus, its jps.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Just so you know, the one most people can see now is not the most updated one. I just posted one. Archives has problems again. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Indeed. Compare the history of {{img|HGSS Gold.png|this one}} from the [[a:File:HGSS Gold.png|other one]]. It's different. Admins (or system admins) are dealing with this problem, which we hopefully be fixed soon. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Aside from it being jpg format, which one is the actual picture? Everything's darker in the one already on the article, but the one here looks like what it's {{tt|supposed to be|Sugimori coloring}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: The darker one appears to be a render that somebody uploaded. The most updated version of the file is the official Sugimori artwork as posted on the [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/ HG/SS] game website. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 12:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== The part about Gold's pants ==

It says Gold is the only male player character who wears shorts. This is not true; Brendan wears shorts in Emerald. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 04:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:It says he's the only male character who doesn't wear long pants. That is different. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 04:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes that's true. But under those shorts are pants. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::While it is a confusing style choice (and hell for cosplay), Brendan does wear trousers and then shorts on top. They're not long socks, at least from what I can tell. Unless you have some official source which specifically says something about Brendan's choice of lower-half clothing. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::How exactly can you tell that they aren't long socks? They look like tube socks that are about the same color as his shorts (notice how what you're calling "long pants" aren't as baggy as his pants in Ruby and Sapphire; rather, they're tight like socks). It's not like there aren't socks that are that long. Do ''you'' have an official source regarding his clothes? Wearing shorts over long pants isn't exactly common. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 22:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Do you have a source that they are are tube socks? --[[User:PsychicRider|PsychicRider]] [[User talk:PsychicRider|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|C]] 23:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::(EC) I've debated it a lot myself, but short of getting some official word on it, it's best to go based on what most people assume it to be at first glance, which seems to be shorts over trousers. I'm really unsure myself, seeing as I don't try and pay all too much attention to it, and my interpretation is also slightly askew because [[Ruby (Special)|of the manga]]. This topic is starting to drift away from being related to Gold and more being related to Brendan, so can we either get back onto it, or move this section to [[Talk:Brendan (game)|Brendan's page]]. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 23:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::No, but it doesn't look like you have a source saying he's wearing two pairs of pants at the same time, which is more unusual than wearing shorts and long socks. I think they look like socks because whatever he's wearing under his shorts doesn't look like his pants in Ruby and Sapphire, which were baggier and not a solid color. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

:{{tt|Let's move this [[Talk:Brendan (game)|elsewhere]], ladies.|No offense.}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 23:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Could i add this? ==

One of his pictures features him with a green poké ball. And the same with eusine. Is that good trivia to add.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 15:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Gold's Gen II sprites ==

I started up Crystal and got into a battle with [[Carrie]] at the Trainer House and Gold's Gold and Silver sprite is used for her (her page mentions using Gold's sprite), despite Gold's own Trainer Card displaying that game's new sprite (shown in the sprites section). Can this usage be mentioned? The only problem is that I haven't been able to confirm how it's used for other Trainer House opponents (such as [[Cal]]) as well as during link battles. Does anyone know what the case is with those? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
:Cal uses character's sprite because he's a placeholder for a proper player (who the player connects, when he uses IR-DA capabilities of GBC). This is a simply technical limitation. If Cal's gonna be featured in HGSS, then he'll probably have his own sprite (he had his own design in Stadium 2, anyways). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::I wasn't referring to how they use Gold's sprite, I'm talking about how in Crystal they don't use [[a:File:Gold_crystal.png|his sprite from that game]], instead using [[a:File:Gold.gif|his sprite from Gold and Silver]]. I should have made that more clear. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 14:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That's something to mention in Cal's article, I think. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::::[[Cal (game)|Done.]] --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 02:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Defaults in HGSS ==

Well, Festa's video shows him having a default name of Hiroki and another as Soul, while Soul gets Miki and Heart. Now, given that's not a guarantee of their names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:Keep in mind that those Festa videos are using SS and not HG, hence the male character being Soul and the female being Heart, etc.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
::Personally, I think we should wait to see what their names are when they're NPCs (such as how the names for Brendan, May, Dawn, and Lucas come from the names used as NPCs). Unless of course Game Freak doesn't give them set names like previous opposite-gender characters (I guess there isn't anything stopping Game Freak from doing that). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 17:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pointless trivia I noticed ==

Gold appears to be the only player character (at least the only male player character) to wear his headgear (in this case, a baseball cap) backward. (I'm only counting game characters, since [[Red (Special)|Red's Pokémon Adventures counterpart]] wears his hat like this in the chapters based on Generation I.) Can this be added? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 17:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Trivia section... ==

"All female player characters either wear a skirt (Leaf and Dawn) or cycling shorts (Kris, May, and Soul)."
:What the crap is that supposed to mean?--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::It does not sound that important to me.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 21:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::: {{tt|It's not.|Or are you referring to my comment?}} First it's talking about guys, then it's talking about girls. (Kinda like most of the boys at my school.) Could an admin please take it off?--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I was talking about why is that in there. That trivia would make more sense if there were like 10-20 girls in the games. And yes why is/was it on a boy's page?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== B/c this is protected ==

Can someone put this trivia in.
"Gold is the only male player not to have a "common" name." Red is a name but not as common as Brenden and Lucas.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know about you, but I have never once heard of anyone else named "Red" --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 07:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::You've never seen That 70's Show? Or Back to the Future? Or played Spyro? There are Reds in each. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hibiki? ==

Since the girl was confirmed to be Kotone, why isn't Gold's article moved to Hibiki. It was shown on the PokeGear screen referring to him as such and doesn't seem likely the opposite gender character is nameable.

And the girl is Kotone, not Hibiki. {{unsigned|Raine}}
:It could of been one of the default names or the person who was playing the game named it. Therefore, Hibiki is not his real name just wait for the games to come out. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Ah, but the girl was the player during the time. (When Shoko was playing HG.)

It wasn't referring to the player character since it was on the Phone List.--[[User:Raine|Raine]] 00:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:The player's mom refers to a friend named Hibiki while playing as the girl, so it must indeed be his NPC name. See here: [http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g29/vs_seeker/mom.jpg]. This also matches Kotone's name (which means "koto sound" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koto_(musical_instrument)]), since it means echo, sound, reverberation, noise. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 08:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
So... since Hibiki has been confirmed to be his official name, shouldn't the page be renamed Hibiki (game), and "Gold (game)" can redirect here? [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 14:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::If anything, the page should be split with all Gen II info remaining here, and all Gen IV info on a new page. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, new information generally replaces old information, and he was never formally called ''Gold'' in the [[Generation II]] games, so... I think we whould move this to ''Hibiki (game)''. It may be stated in the page that he used to be known as Gold before [[Generation IV]]. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::We didn't rename Blue's article to Green when FRLG were released. So should we change this article's name? - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 21:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Cause people hate Kotone's name. That's the only reason it is an issue. They figure since she can't be Soul, Gold should be Hibiki. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::I thought that it was because Blue's NPC Appearance trumps his Rival Appearance, since the player can still name him in FRLG. If he's "Green" in HGSS (outside Japan, anyway), then I think he should be moved to Green. Thus, I think Gold should be moved to Hibiki... once we get his English Name, anyway.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 21:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It's not just because of that, Kenji-girl. I liked Kotone's actual name better than Soul. We didn't rename Blue because that's the only way he was formally referred to in the games. Even with FRLG released, he was never called Green. Hibiki was never formally called Gold in the games, and now '''he's being clearly called Hibiki'''. So, I think that's it. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 22:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::So you're saying that the GS protagonist had no name until Game Freak created the remakes? I find that pretty bizarre, considering that the Crystal girl HAD a name. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 22:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::: He had no '''in-game''' name. Now it was confirmed to be Hibiki, so... - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 22:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::But he must have had a official name, seeing how Kris had one - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 23:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::"Kris" does not have an official in-game name. The only official names she's got are are the ones from the anime and manga. Remember - official names =/= default names. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 10:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Wrong. The back of the Pokémon Crystal box calls her "Kris". Specifically, it says "New female trainer Kris faces the Unown" [http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/7/375087_50686_back.jpg]. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 19:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: "while in HeartGold and SoulSilver his female counterpart is Kotone. If one is to choose play as Kotone, Gold will still appear as an NPC, with the name Hibiki." Yes? No? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::: While I do believe his name is Hibiki, I'm not sure it should be moved quite yet, not until the English Version is released, because as unlikely as it could be, what if the PCI decides to name Hibiki, Gold? We would've changed his name basically just because his Japanese name is Hibiki. I think a note or something would be best at this time. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 17:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Hey, guys. Here's a solution. We have a perfectly fine English name for the guy. Why move it to a Japanese name that's gonna get changed anyway in six months? Like with {{ga|Blue}}, we should ''wait for the English release'', and then wait until the teams get ripped and see what the "true name" is of this guy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shouldn't we at least give his Japanese name as Hibiki? It still gives his Japanese name as Gold and never mentions the name Hibiki. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 19:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::We should. And we should move the page. That "we'll have to move his page someday anyway" argument is stupid. Such things happen. And what's wrong? Is this so much of a deal to change the links. Having him under "Gold" is stupid and unreasonable now. As of now, this name is just a mere fanname. Same goes for {{ga|Pearl}}. "It's too late" argument isn't really right. It's not the policy that we should go by. Pearl's name is Barry and Gold's (Japanese) name is Hibiki. Bear with it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::apparently, hibiki also means echo, sound, or noise [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 19:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Maxim: If Gold is just a "fanname" like you say, then what was this guy's real name during the 2nd gen? Again, I don't buy that he was a nameless character, seeing how his original female counterpart, the Crystal girl, had a official name [http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/7/375087_50686_back.jpg]. And for that matter, is the name we use for the GSC rival, Silver, a "fanname", too? - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 01:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Silver wasn't a fanname. If you leave the name blank in Crystal his name is Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 01:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::So basically, we're assuming that:
::::::::::::::::The RGBY protagonist is named after the "first" version of the generation he debuted on, Red.
::::::::::::::::The RGBY rival is named after the "second" version of the generation he debuted on, Green/Blue.
::::::::::::::::The GSC rival is named after the "second" version of the generation he debuted on, Silver.
::::::::::::::::Going from that, isn't it safe to assume that Gold was the GSC boy's original official name (not just a fan name), and the remakes simply changed it to Hibiki because, as a set name ala Brendan/May/Lucas/Dawn, it would look out of place in comparison with the new girl's name (saying "Gold and Kotone" sounds much more weird than saying "Hibiki and Kotone")? Also, more evidence of the GSC boy's original name being Gold is that Red, Blue/Green, Silver and Kris' names appear in the games at top of the list of selectable player names. Red's name was was the top one in Pokémon Red, Blue/Green's was in Pokémon Blue/Green, Silver's was in Pokémon Silver, and Kris' was in Pokémon Crystal (as the first available name for the female trainer). So following the pattern used by every other Gen I/II player character and rival, the GSC boy's name should be the one that is at the top of the list of selectable names in Pokémon Gold, Gold (duh). - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 01:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Nope, the protaganist and rival from GSC The protaganists and rivals names were both confirmed in GS, where they could be battled. Official names for them was never used pre-HGSS. And we can't rely on DATA, now when we DO have an official name - in-game data is often different than the official name, for instance, Blues in-game data in FRLG calls him "KERRY", or something similar. To name the characters after versions was dropped sometime between Yellow and Crystal. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 07:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't see why this is such a big deal. The only reason I can think of to keep the name "Gold" is nostalgia. Officially, his name is now Hibiki, like it is written in HGSS. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 04:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:: True, but Good O' Bulba Likes to have articles with English names. Since "Gold" is the closest we have to an English name, it will stay as is. for a while anyway <big>'''End of discussion'''</big> [[Special:Contributions/ShinyPikachu|'''Shiny''']][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry to respond to something so old, but I don't remember you being promoted to admin, {{tt|ShinyPika|If you actually were, blame your userpage, it lies! Please don't block me!!!}}. I don't recall normal users to be able to just do that. Just please try to avoid that stuff in the future, it can lead to problems, kay :) --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 07:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold is a secondary character if Kotone is chosen as the player character. ==

Gold is a secondary character if Kotone is chosen as the player character. His role seems to be identical to Kotone if Gold is chosen as the player character. His Pokemon is a Marill. Could someone please add this important tidbit to the article? Thanks. [[User:CubeShapedWatermelon|CubeShapedWatermelon]] 21:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:Also, somebody should probably add that while playing as Kotone, his grandparents run the Day Care.
:(...And is it just me, or is the "Storyline in the games"-section pretty... unneeded?) [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 08:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yep. It is just you. If the other player characters have it, then why shouldn't Gold? - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]] 20:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::May doesn't have it. Brendan doesn't have it. Dawn doesn't have it. Lucas doesn't have it. KOTONE doesn't even have it. Besides, isn't the storyline already written in the respective game's article? [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 19:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== His appearence? ==

Did he slim down from Gold/Silver to Crystal? Or, at least his clothing is less baggy in his Crystal sprite, and artwork. His pants seem longer too. Is that notable trivia? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:The fact he's the only male PC to wear shorts (or at the very least not full trousers) is already mentioned. Also, the slimmer look you're talking about is mainly because his new outfit consists of hooded jacket, rather than a full-on hoodie. (Also this is very forum-y) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 00:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::Sugimori got better at drawing, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe he is meant to be a year or so older in the remakes. That would explain why he looks taller and slimmer. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Party ==

Can someone change the color of the box?
{{Party|color={{silver color}}|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=HGSS Ethan.png‎
|class={{color2|000|Pokémon Trainer}}
|name=Hibiki
|prize=None
|game=[[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver|{{color|000000|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}]]
|location=[[Route 29|{{color|000000|Route 29}}]]
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=183|pokemon=Marill
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Water|ability=
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Defense Curl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}
to
{{Party|color={{gold color}}|bordercolor={{gold color dark}}
|headcolor={{gold color light}}
|sprite=HGSS Ethan.png‎
|class={{color2|000|Pokémon Trainer}}
|name=Hibiki
|prize=None
|game=[[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver|{{color|000000|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}]]
|location=[[Route 29|{{color|000000|Route 29}}]]
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=183|pokemon=Marill
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Water|ability=
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Defense Curl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}
I think it better. --[[User:Nechigawara|Nechigawara]]-[[User talk:Nechigawara|Talking]] 02:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:Yep, sure is. But I used HeartGold color because it is in HeartGold only. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== "Game" ==

Why do these articles have [Name of the player](game) as their names? Examples [[Red (game)]], [[Gold (game)]], [[Kris (game)]]. But the articles are about the trainers, not a game called Red, Gold or Kris. Shouldn't we change them to "Red (trainer)", "Gold (trainer)" or "Kris (trainer)"?--[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 03:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:No. It means (name) ([From the] game). Birthday! ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::But then, shouldn't it be "Gold (Pokémon Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold and SoulSilver)"? --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 03:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::That'd be way too long. Birthday! ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::::The game designers will not likely name two main characters the same thing.--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 03:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::::The parenthesis should indicate ''what are we talking about''. Like this, if the article's name is "Gold (game)", then the article should be about a ''game'' called ''Gold''. However, we are talking about a trainer, or player. So it should be "Gold (player)" or "Gold (trainer)". I hope you understand my point. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 03:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::While I see your point, (trainer) would not work, as the (game) is also used to distinguish game characters from anime characters and manga characters, and they are trainers in all three media. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::How about "player"? Because Gold, Kris and Red are "players" (playable trainers) after all. It's just..., we aren't talking about a game here, but a player. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 04:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I see where you're coming from, but like others have said, it basically means Gold (from the game). The concept comes from stuff like [[May (game)]] and [[May (anime)]] both existing, and the rest just conform to that established standard. Besides, [[Gold (game)]] differentiates from [[Gold (Special)]] as well. While I do see you're point, I don't think it's gonna be changed anytime soon. It's just an established system that's worked fine so far. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Mmmm... Gotcha. Okay, it was only a suggestion, because a normal user wouldn't understand the title so easily. Even I didn't understand it, that's why I asked it. I hope it changes, to make Bulbapedia a better place. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 04:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Hibiki's namelist in HGSS? ==

Kotone's namelist is already up, so does anyone have Hibiki's yet? Also, I just noticed that he shares several names with Red and Lucas/Kouki (ala Leaf, Kotone, and Dawn/Hikari sharing names).
--[[User:Raine|Raine]] 01:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Challenge sprite ==

[[File:HibikiChallenge.png]] Could someone put this sprite in Gold's Sprite box? thank-you. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 14:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

:[[File:HGSS Gold Clean.png]] And his backsprite? Just like Kotone's spritebox has all that stuff. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 16:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)}}
::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::[[File:GS Gold Back.png]] You guys forget this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 01:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
::::That's the lot of them then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

==Family==
Wait, if Kotone's grandparents run the day-care if she's an NPC, isn't the same true for Gold? If so, should it be added to the article? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::I guess, since theyre pretty much the same person but different gender, so im guessing yes [[User:Fudgenuggets]] 23:34, 15 October 2009
:::Dude, it was added like 3 days ago. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Alteration to the Trivia Section ==

"Gold is the '''only male player character''' to have '''two different female''' counterparts."

Does it really matter what the specific genders are? No. So I suggest the following change.

"Gold is the '''only player character''' to have '''two different opposite-gender''' counterparts."

Think about it. ''[[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 03:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)''
:<s>May, Brendan... Emerald sprites... Dawn... Lucas... Platinum sprites...</s> [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. May had both Wally and Brendan. So the genders must be specific. ----

== English Name Possibly Revealed ==

The first English screenshots have been released by Nintendo (although I am unable to provide a direct link, you can find them at www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk), and according to the screenshots Gold's name in HGSS is '''Soul'''. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 10:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
:EVERY screen shot in the Japanese pre-release pictures said his name was "Soul" as well. HOWEVER, later they officially released the name as "Hibiki," not "Soul"... I think you can expect this to be the exact same... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]])
::Default name in SoulSilver! DERRRR! Names as the player can't be taken as canon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

== Backsprite ==

Gold's backsprite is wrong!!
Why does it use the beta backsprite instead of the actual one? (The beta has a red logo on the cap, the official doesn't) -[[User:Adwajr|adwajr]]
:The backsprites on this article do not have a red logo on the cap. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
::It displays this though: [[File:HGSS_Gold_Back.png]] This is his beta backsprite. -[[User:Adwajr|adwajr]]
:::But that has no red logo... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 13:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Oh, I guess it was fixed when i wasn't looking. --[[User:Adwajr|Adwajr]] 10:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::No.... he just doesn't have a red logo on the back at all. He didn't in his Gen. II sprites either. Only in his artwork. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

== Lucas pose? ==

In the trivia section, it states that Gold's HGSS sprite is positioned the same as Lucas' Platinum sprite, but it isn't! There are clear differences, and if I were to say that one of Gold's sprites were in the same pose as Lucas's, it'd be the Crystal sprite, but mirrored. Could this be changed, please? --[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 20:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:The legs and left arm are in the exact same position. That's what is meant. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::....or are they talking about the back sprite? [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 21:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::: [[File:HGSS_Ethan.png]] [[File:Pt_Lucas.png]] I see similarities, don't you guys? Mewsoul, we're talking about Lucas' Platinum sprite. :) [[User:Tyro|Tyro]] 21:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I never said they weren't similar. I said they weren't the same. --[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 20:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously??? Gold's right leg is crooked while Lucas' right leg is normally positioned, so not the same. [[User:BAC510]] 08:50 February 2, 2010 (UTC)
::::: They're similar, but not enough to note. Trivia on this wiki have skewed way too stupidly specific anyway, we don't need any more of it.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wow BAC... "There are clear differences" was the beginning of the second sentence. And you're being way too picky about it. But I agree with Urutapu. We're starting to get trivia just for the sake of trivia. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::By "clear differences", I might've just exaggerated it a bit though. Even so, the way it's written in the Trivia section made me think that they just edited Lucas's Platinum sprite to make Gold's. Could we at least say that his sprite is ''similar'' rather than ''same''? Same implies that there are no differences (besides the clothes in this case). Also, is the article locked or something? I can't edit it for some reason. --[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 20:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, the article has been protected. See the section below for why. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== US Name ==
Serebii revealed Hibiki's US name. It's Ethan. Kotone's Lyra. --[[User:CitruX|CitruX]] 13:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:Do we have an official source? If not, it surely shouldn't matter what Serebii says. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 14:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::We believed them back in the never forgotten April Fools, when Merrick revealed all DP names. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That was all the way back in April '07. We didn't have that many policies back then. And now we do, which is "wait until the game release/episode airs". I feel a little suspicious that he's not giving a source, either... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Joe's reason has been that he's got an "inside source he can't reveal" because it would be, like, a breach of contract for that source. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

His new official name is Ethan [http:http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml]
:...yes. We are still going to wait until the game's release. There has been no ''official'' source given on those names, Serebii's not a good enough source. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not disagreeing with official policy, but making a declaration that names aren't changed until the game is released [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Ranger:_Tracks_of_Light#Proposing_a_change_from_.22tracks.22_to_.22locus.22 while simultaneously holding a vote to change the listed name of an unreleased game] seems kinda silly.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 18:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That's due to a supposed translation error. This is due to speculation. They are completely different situations. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Either way, I'd prefer to keep him as Gold. Forever. Gen II character, Gen II naming convention. We aren't moving Red to Ash or Jack, now are we? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Cry me a river, Mister Editor-In-Chief. You'd have been all for moving the page if they'd named him after you. Besides, moving Gold to Ethan (or whatever) isn't comparable to moving Red to Ash or Jack. Jack wasn't the name set forth in-game, and Ash is an anime character. It's more comparable to the point Zesty Cactus makes a few bullets down. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 00:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, but those aren't his official names, right? Anyways, it don't matter to me, I all for waiting until the game is released. Serebii is usually right, but we can't take chances, and rules are rules. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

::::He was never called "Gold" in-game, and now he is canocally named Hibiki (or Ethan, whatever) if not chosen as the player... but I'm already tired of this old discussion... - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 23:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally like to move the page to "Ethan" or "Hibiki", ''but'' no matter what, we're waiting for the games to come out to make a decision.
:::::Oh, btw, TTE: If {{ga|Blue}} is "Green" in English HGSS, would you move the page? I know with Blue it's slightly different because he was renamed to Blue for RBY, but to move Blue to Green would be the same logic as moving Gold to Ethan/Hibiki (imho). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Green's his name. LeafGreen was FireRed's counterpart, not WaterBlue. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I believe that, at this point in time, we are still honouring his first English canon name, which is Blue. Just as we seem to be honouring Gold's first English canon name as Gold and not Hibiki/Ethan/whoever. (on a related note, [[Vincent]] is Vincent and not Jackson, although "Jackson" appeared first). I'm not favouring one name over the other necessarily, I just favour consistent choices of names (first English appearance vs. most recent English appearance). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Uh, oh... This kind of thing happened with Pearl- No, wait, Barry. I really truly hope this doesn't turn into a move-war. Just in case though,''' I OPPOSE''' --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 07:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Green is his name in Japan. Elsewhere, it’s Blue. On this one, though, I wish we could have left it Gold. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:::May I make a suggestion? Protect both Gold (game) and Kotone (game) until the official release of the game. That way, no-one is arguing, and that can also determine whether or not Serebii.net is telling the truth about the English names for Gold and Kotone respectively.--[[User:Kangaflora|Kangaflora]] 21:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Whatever his name does turn out to be, if it's not Gold then all HG/SS details on this page should be moved to a new page under the new name. There is nothing there to say that the old Gold/Crystal are the same as the new pair - and if Kotone has a separate page, then Hibiki should as well. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 22:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::That's a slippery slope then, D. What if I don't like Red's Generation III Design and want them to split Generation III Red from Generation I/II? Or what if I say that we don't know if Red is the same person in RGBY as he is in FRLG. We could end up with a separate page on each character from each generation at the end. In the end, I think a more simple method is required. The reason why Lyra has a different page than Kris is because Lyra was presented as a different character (both by Pokémon Sunday in Japan, and the Anime) while Ethan/Gold hasn't had that distinction made.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 22:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kangaflora - welcome to five weeks ago.
::::::TheChrisD - uhhh, in that case, details about Fire need to be moved off of [[Red (game)]] and onto their own page, too. 8( The name "Gold" for the GSC male protagonist is, afaik, as fan-based as the name "Fire" is for the FRLG one. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::But unlike Gold/Crystal, Red and Blue are explicitly named as such in Gens II and IV (we hope), which gives solid proof that those characters are one and the same. But, has there been any solid proof given (with the exception of PokéSpecial) that Gen II Gold and Gen IV Hibiki/Ethan/whatever are the same character? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 00:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::But that still means that there'd be a different page for "Red" in Generation III and VI than the one in Generation I and II. After all, just because the name's the same doesn't mean they're the same character, not to mention different actions being taken in both sets of games (RGBY vs FRLG). It leads down the same slippery slope. As for Gen II Gold being the same person as Gen IV Ethan, doesn't the burden of proof lay with you to prove they are different people? I don't believe there is evidence either way (unless one takes the lack of Ethan in the Anime as evidence).--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Ugh, I thought this was a dead issue. If Gold's name changes, the page's name should change to the more up-to-date version. It would be his first canon name, seeing as Gold was really only his name in one version (that is, Gold version). Not just in this case, either. If Red's name were to change, I'd certainly advocate that it be moved. As for arguments pertaining to Kotone, that IS a dead issue. We decided long ago that she and Kris were to be considered different characters. That does not mean that Gold and Hibiki should be considered different characters; to assume so would be denying the obvious fact that Hibiki is a redesign. And that's the end of this rant for now... --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I think seeing what the manga has in store will help decide if he is a new character. I think someone said something about Lyra being Crystal's younger sister. Maybe Ethan is Gold's younger brother. We will have to wait. The games don't tell us these things. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 05:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Korean Name ==

Because of page block I can't put it in. It's 심향 ''Simhyang''. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Image name inconsistency ==

Speaking of names, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:HibikiChallenge.png several] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:HGSS_Hibiki.png sprites] of HGSS's Gold use the name Hibiki, with Gold as a redirect. IMO, they should all use Gold, with Hibiki redirecting to them, seeing as we're keeping Gold as the article's name.

Or maybe it's my OCD talking?
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 16:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think they are waiting until we get the official OK about his English name to change them to anything. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Info Box Color ==
Can someone fix the info box color to HeartGold color like the other character's info boxes? I can't do anything about it since the page is locked so... [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 18:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, {{u|ElectAbuzzzz}} made the infobox Gold colored. He must have a reason behind it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Because he's Gold. Same reason Red's is Red and not FireRed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

----

Well, what about the user who wanted to change his colors to SoulSilver because he was “Soul” in prerelease screens? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:If you read his edit note, you'd have seen his reasons for doing so is that not only was he originally called Soul in prerelease screens, but also in the intro section to both HeartGold and SoulSilver, Ethan appears with a silver background, whereas Lyra appears with a gold background. Reverting your revision for the moment, until a decision from someone "higher-up" happens. Also don't revert one and not the other, because that made both Ethan and Lyra use gold coloured infoboxes. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::I did read his edit sumary, otherwise, how would I even know about the “Soul” thing? And you’re right, there was more to his reasoning. A whole, what, 2 seconds of animation? But I think it is going overboard to say that his counterparts and his past don’t matter at all to this. I also don’t see the problem with Ethan and Lyra both having a golden color scheme, in fact, it makes good sense: they both serve the same role(s) in the story, and they both oppose {{ga|Silver}}( who has a silver color scheme); besides which, they are not exactly the same, Ethan uses a normal gold infobox, while Lyra uses a heartgold-color infobox. As for someone “higher-up”... TTE( who comented just before me in this discussion) fits that description, no? Obviously, his authority can be superceded by facts or board decisions, but he is still EIC. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:16, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The article is about the game character from the fourth generation, with only minor throwbacks to the character from the second generation, and thus the colour scheme hinted to us from the fourth generation is what matters. Anime and manga counterparts have their own pages, and the colour schemes from those characters should be evident on those pages, but not here. Plus there are only very minor shading differences between gold and heartgold, and silver and soulsilver, at least from what I can tell. As for TTE's comment, that was from before the games were released in America and his English name was revealed, so the current situation is different now. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So you decide "lol so make him silver". Yeah. Okay sure. And then we make the RBY rival purple because of his pants. Come ''on''. Lyra goes SoulSilver, Silver goes Silver, Ethan goes Gold. Just keep the damn consistency between counterparts unless there's any real reason to have it not be consistent, like Ash, who is more associated with Pikachu's electric yellow than Red. Heck, if we get the reveal that Kris in Adventures is in Lyra's outfit, we should make a new decision whether or not to keep Lyra and Kris as separate game characters...
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::::By the way. The above is taken from the opening of HeartGold and SoulSilver. I see no "default color" around either of them. If anything, this implies SoulSilver color should be '''blue'''. But it's not gonna be! We draw the colors from elsewhere. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's not the location I believe that's being referred to here. The main introduction montage to the game whenever it is booted up shows Ethan on a silver background and Lyra on a gold background towards the end before showing off the three starters. That's where I believe the original editor got the idea from to switch around their colour schemes, along with other cues from the media, such as pre-release screens with the names Soul and Heart. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 09:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, nice to see you chimed in here even before I asked( although that is mainly because I spent 12 hours trying unsuccessfully to edit your user page. I mean, seriously, the article is about (a )character(s) from Generations II ''AND'' IV; if it was only about Ethan, Gold would have a separate page, like Lyra and Kris. The name “Ethan” had in fact already been revealed in February, though not officially, and there is [[User talk:TTEchidna/Archive Jan-Mar 10#Barry's Page|evidence in TTE’s Talk Archives]] suggesting that he had already grudgingly accepted that it would be confirmed. Besides which, the opening montage had already been seen in the Japanese versions well before, including the 2 seconds where she is on a gold background with him on a silver. Of course, anyone may change his mind, including TTE, and I didn’t know whether or not he put significant thought into that comment when he made it, or what his opinion might now be since the games’ English release, which is why I asked him( albeit late due to posting issues) to look in on this discussion. But you couldn’t claim he lacked access to information when he said that, and his new comment just affirms it all. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 02:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe I'm a little late on this, but COMPROMISE: Have Ethan's infobox be mainly gold with a silver border or something, and Lyra inverted? D: Might as well have both colors... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

[[File:EthanLyraHGSSOp.png]]

Here you go, guys. The scene from the official game opening, depicting Ethan's color as silver and Lyra's color as gold. If you think you have more authority than Game Freak themselves, then keep gold for Ethan... - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 21:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Requesting infobox addition... ==

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- ''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 16:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== name meaning ==
japanese name means echo while english name Means "solid, enduring" in Hebrew... could we add that... [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 03:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:The Japanese name meaning is there already. I'm not sure about the English name in relation to Hebrew, since the game doesn't have an official Hebrew version. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 03:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:acttually the name ethan means solid enduring in hebrew.. not the hebrew name because there is no herew version of the game....[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 03:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::His English name isn't going there yet, thus we have no reason to add in the English name's ''meaning'' yet. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 03:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::We don't add the literal meanings of unless they're significant, and that generally only applies to the Asian names. For the Western names we generally only put the pun (i.e. Ethan sounds like "echo," we'd put that and not "solid").—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::This is possibly a coincidence but Ethan is also one of the most accepted names of the harp player in King David's court in the Bible. Should this be noted?--[[User:Skystar|Skystar]] 14:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::I just thought "Ethan" related to "ethos", a Greek word that can mean "state of being" or "soul."--[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 23:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Except Ethan ''doesn’t'' sound like echo, at all really. They are completely dissimilar phonetically. Ethan has a long E, while echo has a short e, which are very different sounds in English. The h performs completely different functions in the two different digraphs. None of the phonemes are significantly similar. Clearly, the Biblical reference to a musician is more significant than the orthographic similarity, since all his other names are related to sounds or musical instruments, as is Lyra. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== The page name should be Gold (game). ==

At least, he should be referred to as Gold in mentions of Generation II. He's only Ethan as the NPC in 4th Gen. Everywhere else, he's Gold. [[User:Emyunoxious|Emyunoxious]] 21:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
*That'd be like calling Blue "Gary" or, hell, "Douche" or something. After all, he's only called Blue as the NPC in 2nd Gen. You see how that logic just doesn't work? [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::Can you guys not see the extensive debate we had over this? ''On the same talk page''? He's staying as Ethan because it's the only official name we have for him now- makes sense to call him that. NPC names take priority over common fan ones for pick-your-poison-type names. That's all. We're not going back to Gold. >___> ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tin
a|♥]] 22:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:::"You guys"? I was saying that we ''shouldn't'' move it.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names? ==

Can anyone find the optional names for Ethan & Lyra? [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 05:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Uhm... what optional names? You don't get to choose anything about their names, unlike in, for example, DPPt. If you are male, it's Lyra, if you are female, it's Ethan. Simple as that.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] 23:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think they mean the optional names that you get when you select your player's name and put in nothing... there's always a list of optional names in the game data. Lucas and Dawn have it, I think Lyra has her Japanese names up.. I'll look around to see if I can find the English ones though. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 23:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Older brother? ==

Anyone have a scan of that part of that pamplhet? [http://idisk.me.com/celebi23/Public/PKMN/1998%2002%20-%20Computer%20and%20Videogames.png This one] says he has a younger one but it seems pretty wrong. I don't recall any part of the beta placing Ethan in a city holding a laptop (unless they mean the Pokegear). Oh, and off topic, but Ethan says the Marill thing listed on Lyra's page, right? I'm adding it. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 16:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, well that also states that you can use a skateboard, and that Ampharos could be related to Pikachu. Doesn't seem like a very reliable source for saying he has a brother. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::The scan of that pamphlet can be found [http://web.me.com/celebi23/Spaceworld_97_Pokemon/Spaceworld_1997_Guide_Book.html here]. That article that Lovely Rose linked has a bunch of mistranslations in it; the trivia about the older brother was added by me, translated directly from the Spaceworld 1997 pamphlet. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Locations!! ==
I'm not sure I looked well enough, but where is the section saying where you run into your childhood friend throughout the game and where they are after you beat the game. I need to find Ethan about the Shiny Leaf thing. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 01:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think he's in the top floor of Elm's lab. Go up the outside stairs. If someone could confirm that, then add it to the page. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I spent a while looking for him, and maybe it's at a certain time or not, but he was in his house playing with Marill in his room. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 12:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:::To go into more detail, he calls about random things, such as wanting you to bring a Poliwag to Route 40. I have no clue what this is about. I did post this same idea on the Route 40 discussion page to see if anybody knows about it, but responses there are slower than a slug on weed. [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 01:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::::[[Talk:Route 40|Replied]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Gold==
"He had no official name in Generation II, but was unofficially known by fans as Gold (ゴールド Gold)."
He was called Gold in the istruction booklet that came with the Gold Version.'''Bug Catcher Wade'''http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/00/190MS.png 02:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:He was called Silver in the counterpart version. I think it's best that we leave his name as Ethan. [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 02:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== What the... ==

"Despite, Lyra being called Soul, Ethan was the only one who appeared in-game in demos with the name Soul."

This makes no sense.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:This reminds me of the prerelease hype from like, August, when we used to call Lyra "Soul", but Ethan was "Soul" in preview footage and Lyra was "Heart" in the same footage. It's stupid irrelevant trivia though, so I removed it. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

::Trust me, it's like this with any set of player characters before their actual names are revealed. I mean, given what's known, it doesn't matter just how much of the fandom call the Generation V female player character "Black" and how much call her "White". In the end, odds are everyone'll be calling her {{red link|Iris (game)|Iris}}, given how that's the most likely name for the character at this point (that character's anime counterpart bears that name). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:That comma after despite is also DEFINITELY wrong. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::That comma is what I was mostly going after. And, SP252, Iris isn't the anime counterpart. It's another character completely.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Appendix talk:Metagame terminology

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== Nicknames for species? ==

I think Shedinjask may be on the right track as far as that goes... this page needs to be cleaned up anyway... lemme get a list of the nicknames and I'll see, eh? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

== TrickBracer? ==

Do people still do that? I'd say using Iron Ball or Lagging Tail would be far more effective in the current generation. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 04:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

== Uber Garchomp ==

What about him makes so uber? He has smexy stats, but is easily killed by a good ice move. FFS, Blizzard Suicune can kill him. Ice Beam Frosslass can kill him. Even Shard Donphan raxxes him.

== a question ==

can someone please explain this whole "metagame" thing to me? There seems not to be a Metagame article. [[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy</nowiki>">折り紙ガイ]] 12:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, it would be nice if we had a list of OU UU and NU pokemon. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:I agree. I'd like to know what Pokémon are OU, UU, and NU. I swear i saw an article on there before, but i can't remember which one. I really have no idea what Pokémon are UU, NU, and OU, But it'd be nice too see if any of the Pokémon in my main party are Overused or Underused. I know that the Final-forms of the Starters are probably overused...a lot xD [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::[[Appendix:List of tiers|List of tiers]]. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh. Thank you very much! :D [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== New Strategy ==

If i manage to come up with a new strategy, can I post it here on this article? [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 14:45 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Since Smogon.com pretty much controls the metagame, if you can prove to them that it works well enough there, and they come up with a cool name for it, then yes. Good luck. (looks at Solrock page). [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 19:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Proof? ==

"Shaymin in its Sky Forme may also see use as a flinchaxor, due to its Serene Grace, high Speed and Special Attack, and the ability to learn Air Slash."

I can't see anything that confirms this. Removing until someone has a reliable source. [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 19:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Garchomp now considered Uber ==
{{p|Garchomp}} has been added to the Uber tiers at Smogon.com so I've added him to the Ubers list.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/uber

:Baby G removed it from the list, I just added it back in. Oh, and sign your comments. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 14:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::I removed it because Garchomp is ''not'' uber. Garchomp can be 2HKO'd by {{p|Donphan}}'s {{m|Ice Shard}}, but Donphan's not uber. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 14:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::So can {{p|Salamence}} now can't it? --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, but nobody ever said Salamence was uber. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 15:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Just because it isn't on that list, doesn't mean that it isn't able to be compared to one. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 15:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Smogon is a fan-site (although a very influential one admittedly), one classification can't be relied upon. The pseudo-legendaries may be classified as uber collectively, but to say one is powerful than the others is inaccurate, particularly as they appear to be designed to be equal. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 22:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::This is why I'm against this tier garbage... '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 22:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Poké Nicknames? ==

I finished redirecting all the terms to this page. Anyone think it's necessary to redirect the Pokémon nicknames to their respective articles? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 00:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Quality standards ==

Hey, what will be needed to make this article apply to the quality standards of Bulbapedia? - [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']]
** See [[Bulbapedia:Manual of Style]] [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 01:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tiers ==

Definitions for most parts are wrong. These terms stemmed out from Smogon as usage based tiers and I am changing the definitions to reflect that.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 20:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11508 SMogon Thread regarding Tiers] So I'm not saying that Competitive Battlign = Smogon always, but that these terms did originate from that source, and must have the proper definitions.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 20:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Also forgot to add this quote from that thread that will sum this all up "People want to know which Pokemon are good. Now lets think about this: "since we are basing standards on which Pokemon are used in a competitive enviroment (namely, what you would use in a tournament), would someone over use a bad Pokemon?" No. People want to win, and since people like to use the best Pokemon, we have a correlation between usage and power. The problem comes around when people group Pokemon obviously meant for the BL tier in the OU tier and it becomes a meaningless list of what people think is strong"--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 20:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Stop ==

Can whoever keeps editing {{p|Garchomp}} off the Uber list please stop it. Especially since you aren't giving any reasons for removing it. [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] 05:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:{{p|Castform}} = NU. Castform's {{m|Blizzard}} = OHKO on Garchomp. That's why I keep removing Garchomp from Uber. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 14:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:I don't even think anyone should even humor that kind of stupidity and ignorance to the ways of the game. Garchomp was extensively tested by players much better than you. If you're going to dispute the logic of Smogon, at least come up with an argument more effective than "it can be one-hit killed by Castform." The icing on the cake is that you're not even correct, considering it runs Yache Berry. [[user:Lulz|Lulz]] 10:43, 28 November 2008 (EST)

::And '''I''' actually tested it myself. The Garchomp '''did''' even have Yache Berry, and my Castform still OHKO'd it with Blizzard. If Garchomp can be OHKO'd by a NU even when it's holding a Yache Berry, there's no way it's Uber. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 19:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Once again, you are ignorant to the ways of the game. That is not a competitive situation. Castform will never realistically be able to kill Garchomp with Blizzard because it has 70 Speed and no defenses. Let's say I have a Garchomp out against something that can't do shit to anything to it, like a Blissey without Ice Beam (and yes, they are common, Flamethrower is often over Ice Beam). If you switch your Castform in, I will use Swords Dance and outrun/kill it with Earthquake. The only time Castform will EVER outrun Garchomp is with a Choice Scarf, in which case you will do 61.45% - 72.63% with Blizzard, factoring in Yache and a +SpA nature. The only time you'll ever have a shot at OHKOing a 4 HP/min SpD Garchomp with Blizzard is if you run Modest Choice Specs, which won't even do it 100% of the time and I will still outrun and kill you with Earthquake. Now, I'd also like to get into the fact that this isn't even how tiers work. Pokemon aren't rated for their sturdiness at all. It should be noted that Deoxys-A is an Uber even though it actually will die to virtually any attack with 50/20/20 defenses. This is because it outruns just about everything in OU save for Ninjask (it can even run Extremespeed for it) and it has amazing type coverage + 180 in both attacking stats. If your test, which consists of taking a faulty calculation out of context and throwing it out there, was the way Smogon tested for Uber status, Deoxys-A would be in OU. Even if Garchomp DID die to Castform Blizzard (it doesn't always even with specs, you clearly were fighting a Garchomp with crappy IVs/Nature/etc.), it still wouldn't be Uber because the reason for it being banned was that if it switched in on something that couldn't damage it, which is quite a few things, it was essentially guaranteed a kill because with a Swords Dance it could 2HKO anything in OU and nothing could reliably OHKO it through the Yache except for Choice Band Weavile who is risking getting killed by any one of Garchomp's attacks if it switches in on a Scarfer or Bander by mistake. Let's not even mention that it might be running SUBSTITUTE, in which case Weavile is completely screwed if it stays in. Your logic is incredibly faulty and if you continue editing Garchomp out of Ubers even after reading this, I can't imagine what anybody could say to convince you of anything at all. [[user:Lulz|Lulz]] 23:40, 28 November 2008 (EST)

::::Only things is, it's not only '''one''' Garchomp. My Castform has OHKO'd '''5''' of them with just Blizzard. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 01:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Check the Archives. This has been discussed before. Just Because technically Fearow beats Heracross doesnt mean that Fearow is OU or Heracross Is UU. Tiers are not a "This pokemon trumps all below this category" Its a "Stats better, movepool better, typing better, therefore its the better pokemon"[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

::::::But some of Garchomp's stats are horrible. Like its {{Stat|Special Defense}}. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 01:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::True. But Heracross has terrible stats too. But one stat doesnt sink a pokemon, and when you look at his movepool and what attacks he learns to benefit it, along with his typing, he is incredible, near broken[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::::::Don't say true, it's not true. Garchomp's Special Defense is not horrible in the least, it's actually quite decent. Combined with 108 HP, 85 SD is very respectable. I made a very long summary of the overcentralizing aspects of Garchomp and it's not Uber because it has "horrible" special defense? Which you define as 85? I'd also like to add that you said SOME of its stats are horrible. Other than Special Defense and Special Attack (which it doesn't even need on its most broken set), which are horrible, none of its stats are below 95, so I don't see where you get "some of Garchomp's stats are horrible". It doesn't have a single stat that can be defined as horrible, and it isn't "near broken". It IS broken. Chocolate you cannot argue with my calculation, you are obviously battling on Wi-Fi where there are a lot more factors than there are on a battling simulator like Shoddy Battle, where these Pokemon are being tested at their full potential. [[user:Lulz|Lulz]] 24:13, 2 December 2008 (EST)

{{Indent}} I will never agree with Garchomp being Uber no matter what. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 15:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then you are not being objective and you shouldn't be editing a Wiki article. [[user:Lulz|Lulz]] 4:18, 18 December 2008 (EST)

::TBH, none of this is even fact. Tiers are nothing but a matter of opinion. People are bound to disagree with what Pokémon belong in what tiers, making it a matter of opinion. Simply, I don't believe in Garchomp's true strengths, and that's just my 2¢. I'd appreciate if we could just stop arguing about this. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:16 12/19/2008

:::Castform's Blizzard also 1HKOs 32/8 Rayquaza. I don't mean anything by saying this though - merely did the calc on a whim. [[User:RegalStar|RegalStar]] 06:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== EV spreads ==

I'm editing out any mention of (exact) EV spreads since for the most part they are opinionative. For example, someone mentioned a 126/126 EV spread for Infernape's offenses saying that is the standard. It is not, and its only the standard with those who are inexperienced and believe that Infernape would benefit more from this spread when it really doesn't ( 126 Atk EVs doesn't OHKO a Blissey and 24 EVs gives a good enough shot). Besides, it sounds too much like we're telling people what to use, and people ''do'' tailorr EV spreads for their specific needs.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 15:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, 126 ATK EVs is enough to OHKO Blissey with Life Orb (any Infernape running 126 / 126 without Life Orb is foolish) and it is the most common Infernape in Wi-Fi Competitive Battling. I'm not saying put it back in there or anything, just pointing that out [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] 10:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

Why the list of nicknames? Is there a point? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:I am prepared to remove this section in a few days if no one comments, as I see no usefulness. Almost all of them are completely obvious, being derived from the Pokemon's names. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::These nicknames are frequently used in the metagame that's why its here.. I guess.--'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 06:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::How frequently? Theoretically anyone could come along with a shortened version of a Pokémon's name and put it up and we'd never know. I'm going to take it down. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Very Frequently. People dont call is Subsitute Focus Punch Tyranitar, they call it Tyraniboah.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 11:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Trom means the shortening of Pokémon names, like Tyrani for Tyranitar. Tyraniboah is already in the page.--☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 11:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::: "Twas an example".
:::::::I guess its just based off of syllables. TYraniBOAH.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 01:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Reshuffling ==

Here's a brainwave I just had... should we organise the terms into sections, like "Move Combinations", "Pokémon Movesets", etc? We could put Tiers under a heading, and put UU, OU, NU, etc, as sub-headings? --[[User:Oz|Oz]] 17:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:Go for it. It would make it more structured. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== Trick Room ==

Well, if Trick Room Team is gonna redirect to here, we might as well put in something about Pokémon that exist to set up Trick Room. Only thing is, I don't have the slightest idea what the proper terminology for it would be. If anyone DOES know, might it possibly be added to the article? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Casey (anime)

2010-02-23T23:00:58Z

Kobra: /* Intro */

Is there a Shipping for Casey and Ash, and what is its name? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe it is called BaseballShipping. [[User:Kobra|Kobra]] 23:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Look at her hair ==

I mean look at it... she seems as if she might have been based on the early designs for Kris, but reworked. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:12, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Magnezone (Pokémon)

2010-02-23T02:49:16Z

Kobra:

== Permanently Fused? ==

Permanently Fused? It sure looks that way. [[Magneton]] looked as if you could beak it into [[Magnemite]]. THis one however, looks like there is no turning back. The central [[Magnemite]] grew in size, and the other two lost a magnet each and binded to the central head.--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 22:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bolt Beam ==

Bolt beam? --[[User:Dark Lord Revan|Animal]] 05:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

turns out its a move set or a shortening to a few moves, like thunderbolt and ice beam. basically generalizing any attacks that take after those. --[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]]

== So. Coronet? ==

Do we mention that it evolves from Magneton if you evolve it at '''''all three parts''''' of Mt. Coronet, as in Spear Pillar and Beginning Dimension, too? I mean, I figure most people won't be going up to Spear Pillar to give Rare Candies to their Magneton anyway. It's like saying Charmeleon -> Charizard is Level 36, 37, 38... 97, 98, 99, 100. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I think thats good great compermise!--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her Discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]]A.K.A. ねこさん[[User talk:Kittenchild|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kittenchild|Contribs]] 06:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:...you're kidding, right? You realize that if we mention Spear Pillar, we mention Beginning Dimension. HERE'S YOUR FINAL ANSWER:

{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="5" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=081.png |
name=Magnemite }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100 |
image=082.png |
name=Magneton }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level up at Mt. Coronet/Spear Pillar/Hall of Origin |
image=462.png |
name=Magnezone }}
|}
 
:Yeah. While we're at it, let's mention that you can get Gastly in Eterna Forest, and Ho-Oh in Ecruteak City! I love it! *sarcasm* '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::So, anyone like my idea? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::If you're being sarcastic, YES I DO. If you're not, NO I DON'T. :P Anyway. I think we should leave out the 'Spear Pillar' part. Why? Well, it's like saying I could sleep (Sleep being the 'level up' part.) in the house, and saying the attic too. Wait. Isn't the attic a part of the house? Why, yes it is! [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bingo. Because Spear Pillar is the attic of Mt. Coronet, and the Hall of Origin is the roof. Plus, if we do in fact mention all three, we might as well mention that Magnemite evolves at level 67 too. Sure, not many will put off the evolution that long, but just like not many people are gonna go up to Spear Pillar intending to evolve their Magneton, not many people are gonna hold off evolution until level 67. In fact, if you're going up to Spear Pillar to evolve Magneton, it just makes me think you're being a smart aleck. Most Magneton will evolve on the way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::Besides, it's unfair to single out {{p|Magneton}} and {{p|Magnezone}}. Any agreement on this evolution method would also have to cover {{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Nosepass}}, and {{p|Probopass}} as well. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::: As the only member of the Magnemite fan club, i think it would be ludicrously stupid to do the thing above (with all those numbers) and frankly, whos going to hold out and say "yea i got my Magnezone on the Spear Pillar!" that would just mean they wasted their time. so adding it to the respective locations' trivia sections is really all that needs to be done. [[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]] 21:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Not to mention that it's practically impossible to evolve a Magneton into Magnezone at the Spear Pillar unless you're either: fighting Team Galactic, you knock out Dialga/Palkia, or Arceus if you have the item to summon the staircase (ony an idiot would knock one of them out just to eveolve a stupid Magneton (not that I don't like Magneton/Magnezone, I'm just saying it's not smart to evolve one that way)); or you go there and use a Rare Candy. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== Magnet Colors ==

In the Trivia part of the page, it points out that the official artwork and the sprite from D/P have different magnet colors. On Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2, Magnezone's magnets flash red and blue when it is happy/excited. I'm not good with editing pages, but I thought I'd put that out there for anyone who is *hinthint*.

==Smogon Link Busted==
I've tried to find where to fix it, but so far I've been unable. The smogon link leads to a dead page on smogon. -Lord Hyren 04:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Evolving Magneton. ==

I have a question to ask, do I need to train Magneton? I was thinking about beating the Bronzong in the cave with my Infernape and attach while Magneton is holding an Exp. Spare, but I won't do it unless I'm completely sure it will work. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:05, 5 August 2008

:Any level-up is fine. Send it out and fight, send it out and switch it out, use the [[Exp. Share]], use a [[Rare Candy]], if it gets it to the level-up, it evolves. {{p|Nosepass}} to {{p|Probopass}} works the exact same way, as does {{p|Eevee}} to {{p|Leafeon}} at [[Eterna Forest]]'s [[Moss Rock]] and Eevee to {{p|Glaceon}} at [[Route 217]]'s [[Ice Rock]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::for the best (and most manly) results, i kill whatever is wild. but it doesnt matter. my very fist evolution i killed a Machop. take that type advantage!! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Great then I'll import it from Emerald as soon as possible. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Heartgold and soulsilver? ==
Alright, mt. corenet is in sinnoh, right? Well how do you evolve magneton in Pokémon heartgold and soulsilver? {{unsigned|Luke6256}}
:It impossible I think unless I was not told about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::as of now, it is not known if it is possible, but there is a 99% chance it cant happen. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it could evolve at [[Mt. Silver]]. {{unsigned|Luke6256}}
:it cant. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::This might make a worthy trivia piece for the HG/SS page namely because similar to FR/LG their are certain Pokémon that can't evolve due to it's evolutionary method is unavailable in the game similar to {{p|Eevee}}'s evolution into {{p|Umbreon}} and {{p|Espeon}} being unavailable in FR/LG. But I think further conformation is required first. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

==Levitate==
This dude IS so floating. Why doesn't he have levitate? He and his pre-evolutions appear to be floating every game I see them in. --[[User:Kobra|Kobra]] 02:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Rapidash (Pokémon)

2010-01-24T20:52:55Z

Kobra:

Is rapidash a unicorn? It looks like one. So, should we call it a unicorn?[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 02:17, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Aside from the horn, it doesn't seem to have any of the properties of unicorns. You could say that the appearence is based on one but that it lacks any of the powers. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

it has the horn, not the powers. yet it does look simaler (sp?)

Rapidash's DP back sprite looks like Ms.Frizzle's hair from The Magic School Bus -[[User:Eeveecat|Eeveecat]] 14:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== Underleveled? ==

Isn't there an underleveled Rapidash in Platinum? I haven't even fought Crasher Wake,so no Pokemon are level 40 yet. I remember fighting a Rapidash that was in the level 20s,I think level 24. Should that be in the article? Or does it count under the "Underleveled Wild Pokemon" charge? But,it was caught? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

==Teehee==

Anyone notice how its RAPIDash, then the next pokemon is SLOWpoke?

Talk:Dodrio (Pokémon)

2009-12-28T21:06:44Z

Kobra: /* Ranger */

==Ranger==
The ranger episode shows the Dodrio larger than they are shown before!{{u|Laxafett}} 8 January 2009, 20:20(UTC)

==[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]==
The dodrio available for rent in this game naturally knows fly, going against most depictions and descriptions of this pokemon--[[User:Kobra|Kobra]] 21:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Red and Green Versions

2009-12-28T04:48:30Z

Kobra: /* Trivia */

:''This article is about the Japanese releases. For the international releases, see [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]].''
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{{Infobox_game |
name = Pocket Monsters Red and Green Versions |
boxart = [[image:Pokemon_red_box_ja.jpg|200px]][[image:Pokemon_green_box_ja.jpg|200px]] |
caption = Pocket Monsters Red and Green's boxart, [[version mascot|depicting]] {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Venusaur}} respectively. |
category = RPG |
players = 2 players simultaneous |
release_date_ja = February 27, 1996|
release_date_au = November 1, 1998{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_eu = October 5, 1999{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_na = September 1, 1998{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_kr = N/A |
publisher = [[Nintendo]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = E for Everyone |
staff = yes |
stafflink = Staff of Pokémon Red and Green |
website_en = [http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-317 Games : Pokémon Red] |
website_ja = [http://nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apaj/index.html ポケットモンスター赤] [http://nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apbj/index.html ポケットモンスター緑] |
}}

'''Pocket Monsters Red''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|赤|あか}}''') and '''Pocket Monsters Green''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|緑|みどり}}''') were the first-ever [[Pokémon games]] to be released to the public, in Japan on February 27, 1996. Introducing the main game play concepts that went on to provide the standard from games in the [[main series]], the games were eventually translated and released worldwide as {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, using a combination of the engine from [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|the Japanese Blue Version]] and the obtainable Pokémon from Red and Green. Much as would become standard, Red and Green were later joined by third version [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], which slightly improved upon their features and provided the code for the international releases of Red and Blue, and eventually [[Pokémon Yellow Version|Pocket Monsters Pikachu]], a fourth version based on the [[Pokémon anime]].

==Plot==
Red and Green began the Pokémon series in the region of [[Kanto]], where players became a ten-year-old [[Pokémon Trainer]] just starting off a journey from their home of [[Pallet Town|Masara Town]], on the same day as their {{ga|Blue|rival}}. After obtaining a [[starter Pokémon]] (a choice of the {{type2|Grass}} {{p|Bulbasaur|Fushigidane}}, {{type2|Fire}} {{p|Charmander|Hitokage}}, or {{type2|Water}} {{p|Squirtle|Zenigame}}) from [[Professor Oak|Dr. Okido]], the local authority on Pokémon (and with their rival choosing the Pokémon whose type weakens that of the player), players would journey across the region, defeating the eight Gym Leaders: [[Brock|Takeshi]], [[Misty|Kasumi]], [[Lt. Surge|Matis]], [[Erika]], [[Koga|Kyo]], [[Sabrina|Natsume]], [[Blaine|Katsura]], and [[Giovanni|Sakaki]]. After all eight have been defeated, the player goes on to challenge the Elite Four, [[Lorelei|Kanna]], [[Bruno|Siba]], [[Agatha|Kikuko]], and [[Lance|Wataru]], and finally, in their last battle, the current champion, their rival.

Along the way, Trainers will encounter the evil [[Team Rocket|Rocket Gang]], a group of criminals that seek to exploit Pokémon, rather than train them as friends and partners, and must defeat them to put a stop to their actions. The rival will also continuously harass the player, challenging him to {{pkmn|battle}} over and over, with an increasingly powerful team. That is, not to say, that the player's own Pokémon will not also be ever more powerful. Thus is the path to the [[Indigo Plateau|Quartz Plateau]]....

==Connectivity==
The two games introduced the ability to allow players to [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges using a [[Game Boy]] [[link cable]]. To take fullest advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to each game of the pair, making it required that a person trade with others in order to complete their [[Pokédex]]. The link cable also makes possible battles with another player, allowing one to pit their Pokémon against equals when their Pokémon are as powerful as they can be, at level 100.

Trades done between Pokémon games in different languages are impossible in this generation, and will always result in corruption if it is attempted. This is due to the fact that the games cannot automatically translate the Pokémon as there is not enough room on either cartridge for all of the text in so many languages (a feature that would later become possible).

==Features==
===Gyms===
As would become the case for each Pokémon game in the [[Version|main series]] to come, there are eight [[Pokémon Gym]]s in Kanto, each with their own type affiliation. The [[Gym Leader]]s are [[Brock|Takeshi]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Misty|Kasumi]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Lt. Surge|Matis]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Erika]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Koga|Kyō]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Sabrina|Natsume]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Blaine|Katsura]] ({{t|Fire}}) and [[Giovanni|Sakaki]] ({{t|Ground}}).

===Elite Four===
Another trend established by Red and Green, the goal for players, the [[Elite Four]], is located at the [[Indigo Plateau|Quartz Plateau]]. The Elite trainers are [[Lorelei|Kanna]] ({{t|Ice}}), [[Bruno|Siba]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Agatha|Kikuko]] ({{t|Ghost}}) and [[Lance|Wataru]] ({{t|Dragon}}). The [[Champion]] is none other than the rival, {{ga|Blue|Green}}, who has Pokémon of mixed types.

===Pokémon===
Each game contains pre-recorded data on 151 different species of Pokémon, including {{p|Mew}}, a Pokémon even [[Nintendo]] was not aware of initially. Despite this, not all Pokémon are available to the player, regardless of version; trades must occur between players in order to complete their Pokédex without the use of cheats or glitches. Mew is the only Pokémon in these games that ''must'' be acquired through attending either a Nintendo sponsored event, [[Mew glitch|a glitch]], or [[cheating]].

==[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]==
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation I]] which has that Pokémon available.
{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{red color light}};"
|-
! Red
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{red color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|023|Ekans|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|024|Arbok|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|056|Mankey|1|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|057|Primeape|1|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|123|Scyther|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric|}}
|}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{green color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{green color light}};"
|-
! Green
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{green color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|027|Sandshrew|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|126|Magmar|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug|}}
|}
|}
|}

==Legacy==
Pocket Monsters Red and Green set the precedent for what has become a blockbuster, multi-billion dollar franchise. In Japan, Red, Green, and the [[Versions|third version]] Blue combined have sold 10.23 million copies.<ref>[http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten2.htm Japan Platinum Game Chart. The Magic Box. Access date: 2008-01-26.]</ref> In the United States, Pokémon Red has sold 4.83 million copies, while Pokémon Blue has sold 5.02 million copies.<ref>[http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml US Platinum Videogame Chart. The Magic Box. Access date: 2008-01-26.]</ref> These numbers combine to make a total of 9.85 million copies sold in the US.

Pocket Monsters Red and Green were the namesake of the [[Generation I]] remakes of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} released in 2004, even in regions where Blue was paired with Red.

==Trivia==
* Development of Red and Green started during 1990, making their development the longest of all by far.
* The game's main characters {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue|Green}} have several default names, among them サトシ ''Satoshi'' and シゲル ''Shigeru'', respectively. These names come from Pokémon creator [[Satoshi Tajiri]] and his friend and fellow Nintendo developer, [[Shigeru Miyamoto]]. When the games were translated into the English Red and Blue, the defaults became Red and Blue. Alternative names that could be chosen were Ash and Gary, after the anime characters that share the names [[Ash Ketchum|Satoshi]] and [[Gary Oak|Shigeru]].
* While Red and Green are the first [[Pokémon games]] released, they were not necessarily the first Pokémon trademark ever registered. {{p|Mew}} was the first Pokémon trademark ever applied for; the application for the Pokémon was submitted on May 9, 1990, while the application for Pocket Monsters Red and Green was submitted on September 11, 1995. Before Red and Green were granted registered trademarks on December 26, 1997, Mew (then spelled ミュー, not ミュウ) had already become the first Pokémon trademark registered, granted on March 31, 1994; ミュウ was later granted on August 6, 1999.
* Red and Green, as well as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|their remakes]] are the only [[main series]] Pokémon games to be released in the first two thirds of the year in Japan. All of the others to date have been released between September and December.
* The storyline of Kanto introduced in these games has the honor of being the most available one of all games, being featured in six separate games (Blue, Yellow, FireRed, and LeafGreen, in addition to Red and Green).
* In ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]'', Professor Oak references these first two games with his password "REDGREEN"
* Although {{game|Crystal}} was the only version whose name included the term "Version" in Japanese, the term was used in English on the back covers and the title screen of Pokémon Red and Green as well as in [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|the Japanese Blue]].
** The same situation occurs with the Japanese versions of Pokémon Yellow, Gold, and Silver, except it does not appear on the title screen.
* Red and Green are the only Generation I games that inform the player that in order to save the game, the current save file has to be overwritten. Curiously, this only happens in the first attempt to save.
** They are also the only Generation I games that don't give a waiting message when the saving process is in course, making said process almost instantaneous. This also happens with [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], however.

==References==
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{{Main series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Pokémon Rot und Grün (Japan)]]
[[es:Pokémon Verde]]
[[fr:Pokémon Vert]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスター赤・緑]]
[[pt:Pokémon Red e Green]]

Pokémon Red and Green Versions

2009-12-28T04:48:07Z

Kobra: /* Trivia */

:''This article is about the Japanese releases. For the international releases, see [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]].''
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{{Infobox_game |
name = Pocket Monsters Red and Green Versions |
boxart = [[image:Pokemon_red_box_ja.jpg|200px]][[image:Pokemon_green_box_ja.jpg|200px]] |
caption = Pocket Monsters Red and Green's boxart, [[version mascot|depicting]] {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Venusaur}} respectively. |
category = RPG |
players = 2 players simultaneous |
release_date_ja = February 27, 1996|
release_date_au = November 1, 1998{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_eu = October 5, 1999{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_na = September 1, 1998{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_kr = N/A |
publisher = [[Nintendo]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = E for Everyone |
staff = yes |
stafflink = Staff of Pokémon Red and Green |
website_en = [http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-317 Games : Pokémon Red] |
website_ja = [http://nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apaj/index.html ポケットモンスター赤] [http://nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apbj/index.html ポケットモンスター緑] |
}}

'''Pocket Monsters Red''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|赤|あか}}''') and '''Pocket Monsters Green''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|緑|みどり}}''') were the first-ever [[Pokémon games]] to be released to the public, in Japan on February 27, 1996. Introducing the main game play concepts that went on to provide the standard from games in the [[main series]], the games were eventually translated and released worldwide as {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, using a combination of the engine from [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|the Japanese Blue Version]] and the obtainable Pokémon from Red and Green. Much as would become standard, Red and Green were later joined by third version [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], which slightly improved upon their features and provided the code for the international releases of Red and Blue, and eventually [[Pokémon Yellow Version|Pocket Monsters Pikachu]], a fourth version based on the [[Pokémon anime]].

==Plot==
Red and Green began the Pokémon series in the region of [[Kanto]], where players became a ten-year-old [[Pokémon Trainer]] just starting off a journey from their home of [[Pallet Town|Masara Town]], on the same day as their {{ga|Blue|rival}}. After obtaining a [[starter Pokémon]] (a choice of the {{type2|Grass}} {{p|Bulbasaur|Fushigidane}}, {{type2|Fire}} {{p|Charmander|Hitokage}}, or {{type2|Water}} {{p|Squirtle|Zenigame}}) from [[Professor Oak|Dr. Okido]], the local authority on Pokémon (and with their rival choosing the Pokémon whose type weakens that of the player), players would journey across the region, defeating the eight Gym Leaders: [[Brock|Takeshi]], [[Misty|Kasumi]], [[Lt. Surge|Matis]], [[Erika]], [[Koga|Kyo]], [[Sabrina|Natsume]], [[Blaine|Katsura]], and [[Giovanni|Sakaki]]. After all eight have been defeated, the player goes on to challenge the Elite Four, [[Lorelei|Kanna]], [[Bruno|Siba]], [[Agatha|Kikuko]], and [[Lance|Wataru]], and finally, in their last battle, the current champion, their rival.

Along the way, Trainers will encounter the evil [[Team Rocket|Rocket Gang]], a group of criminals that seek to exploit Pokémon, rather than train them as friends and partners, and must defeat them to put a stop to their actions. The rival will also continuously harass the player, challenging him to {{pkmn|battle}} over and over, with an increasingly powerful team. That is, not to say, that the player's own Pokémon will not also be ever more powerful. Thus is the path to the [[Indigo Plateau|Quartz Plateau]]....

==Connectivity==
The two games introduced the ability to allow players to [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges using a [[Game Boy]] [[link cable]]. To take fullest advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to each game of the pair, making it required that a person trade with others in order to complete their [[Pokédex]]. The link cable also makes possible battles with another player, allowing one to pit their Pokémon against equals when their Pokémon are as powerful as they can be, at level 100.

Trades done between Pokémon games in different languages are impossible in this generation, and will always result in corruption if it is attempted. This is due to the fact that the games cannot automatically translate the Pokémon as there is not enough room on either cartridge for all of the text in so many languages (a feature that would later become possible).

==Features==
===Gyms===
As would become the case for each Pokémon game in the [[Version|main series]] to come, there are eight [[Pokémon Gym]]s in Kanto, each with their own type affiliation. The [[Gym Leader]]s are [[Brock|Takeshi]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Misty|Kasumi]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Lt. Surge|Matis]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Erika]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Koga|Kyō]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Sabrina|Natsume]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Blaine|Katsura]] ({{t|Fire}}) and [[Giovanni|Sakaki]] ({{t|Ground}}).

===Elite Four===
Another trend established by Red and Green, the goal for players, the [[Elite Four]], is located at the [[Indigo Plateau|Quartz Plateau]]. The Elite trainers are [[Lorelei|Kanna]] ({{t|Ice}}), [[Bruno|Siba]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Agatha|Kikuko]] ({{t|Ghost}}) and [[Lance|Wataru]] ({{t|Dragon}}). The [[Champion]] is none other than the rival, {{ga|Blue|Green}}, who has Pokémon of mixed types.

===Pokémon===
Each game contains pre-recorded data on 151 different species of Pokémon, including {{p|Mew}}, a Pokémon even [[Nintendo]] was not aware of initially. Despite this, not all Pokémon are available to the player, regardless of version; trades must occur between players in order to complete their Pokédex without the use of cheats or glitches. Mew is the only Pokémon in these games that ''must'' be acquired through attending either a Nintendo sponsored event, [[Mew glitch|a glitch]], or [[cheating]].

==[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]==
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation I]] which has that Pokémon available.
{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{red color light}};"
|-
! Red
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{red color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|023|Ekans|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|024|Arbok|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|056|Mankey|1|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|057|Primeape|1|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|123|Scyther|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric|}}
|}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{green color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{green color light}};"
|-
! Green
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{green color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|027|Sandshrew|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|126|Magmar|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug|}}
|}
|}
|}

==Legacy==
Pocket Monsters Red and Green set the precedent for what has become a blockbuster, multi-billion dollar franchise. In Japan, Red, Green, and the [[Versions|third version]] Blue combined have sold 10.23 million copies.<ref>[http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten2.htm Japan Platinum Game Chart. The Magic Box. Access date: 2008-01-26.]</ref> In the United States, Pokémon Red has sold 4.83 million copies, while Pokémon Blue has sold 5.02 million copies.<ref>[http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml US Platinum Videogame Chart. The Magic Box. Access date: 2008-01-26.]</ref> These numbers combine to make a total of 9.85 million copies sold in the US.

Pocket Monsters Red and Green were the namesake of the [[Generation I]] remakes of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} released in 2004, even in regions where Blue was paired with Red.

==Trivia==
* Development of Red and Green started during 1990, making their development the longest of all by far.
* The game's main characters {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue|Green}} have several default names, among them サトシ ''Satoshi'' and シゲル ''Shigeru'', respectively. These names come from Pokémon creator [[Satoshi Tajiri]] and his friend and fellow Nintendo developer, [[Shigeru Miyamoto]]. When the games were translated into the English Red and Blue, the defaults became Red and Blue. Alternative names that could be chosen were Ash and Gary, after the anime characters that share the names [[Ash Ketchum|Satoshi]] and [[Gary Oak|Shigeru]].
* While Red and Green are the first [[Pokémon games]] released, they were not necessarily the first Pokémon trademark ever registered. {{p|Mew}} was the first Pokémon trademark ever applied for; the application for the Pokémon was submitted on May 9, 1990, while the application for Pocket Monsters Red and Green was submitted on September 11, 1995. Before Red and Green were granted registered trademarks on December 26, 1997, Mew (then spelled ミュー, not ミュウ) had already become the first Pokémon trademark registered, granted on March 31, 1994; ミュウ was later granted on August 6, 1999.
* Red and Green, as well as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|their remakes]] are the only [[main series]] Pokémon games to be released in the first two thirds of the year in Japan. All of the others to date have been released between September and December.
* The storyline of Kanto introduced in these games has the honor of being the most available one of all games, being featured in six separate games (Blue, Yellow, FireRed, and LeafGreen, in addition to Red and Green).
* In ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]'', Professor Oak references with his password "REDGREEN"
* Although {{game|Crystal}} was the only version whose name included the term "Version" in Japanese, the term was used in English on the back covers and the title screen of Pokémon Red and Green as well as in [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|the Japanese Blue]].
** The same situation occurs with the Japanese versions of Pokémon Yellow, Gold, and Silver, except it does not appear on the title screen.
* Red and Green are the only Generation I games that inform the player that in order to save the game, the current save file has to be overwritten. Curiously, this only happens in the first attempt to save.
** They are also the only Generation I games that don't give a waiting message when the saving process is in course, making said process almost instantaneous. This also happens with [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], however.

==References==
<references/>

{{Main series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Pokémon Rot und Grün (Japan)]]
[[es:Pokémon Verde]]
[[fr:Pokémon Vert]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスター赤・緑]]
[[pt:Pokémon Red e Green]]

Pokémon Red and Green Versions

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Kobra: /* Trivia */

:''This article is about the Japanese releases. For the international releases, see [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]].''
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{{Infobox_game |
name = Pocket Monsters Red and Green Versions |
boxart = [[image:Pokemon_red_box_ja.jpg|200px]][[image:Pokemon_green_box_ja.jpg|200px]] |
caption = Pocket Monsters Red and Green's boxart, [[version mascot|depicting]] {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Venusaur}} respectively. |
category = RPG |
players = 2 players simultaneous |
release_date_ja = February 27, 1996|
release_date_au = November 1, 1998{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_eu = October 5, 1999{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_na = September 1, 1998{{tt|*|As Red and Blue Versions}} |
release_date_kr = N/A |
publisher = [[Nintendo]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = E for Everyone |
staff = yes |
stafflink = Staff of Pokémon Red and Green |
website_en = [http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-317 Games : Pokémon Red] |
website_ja = [http://nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apaj/index.html ポケットモンスター赤] [http://nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apbj/index.html ポケットモンスター緑] |
}}

'''Pocket Monsters Red''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|赤|あか}}''') and '''Pocket Monsters Green''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|緑|みどり}}''') were the first-ever [[Pokémon games]] to be released to the public, in Japan on February 27, 1996. Introducing the main game play concepts that went on to provide the standard from games in the [[main series]], the games were eventually translated and released worldwide as {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, using a combination of the engine from [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|the Japanese Blue Version]] and the obtainable Pokémon from Red and Green. Much as would become standard, Red and Green were later joined by third version [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], which slightly improved upon their features and provided the code for the international releases of Red and Blue, and eventually [[Pokémon Yellow Version|Pocket Monsters Pikachu]], a fourth version based on the [[Pokémon anime]].

==Plot==
Red and Green began the Pokémon series in the region of [[Kanto]], where players became a ten-year-old [[Pokémon Trainer]] just starting off a journey from their home of [[Pallet Town|Masara Town]], on the same day as their {{ga|Blue|rival}}. After obtaining a [[starter Pokémon]] (a choice of the {{type2|Grass}} {{p|Bulbasaur|Fushigidane}}, {{type2|Fire}} {{p|Charmander|Hitokage}}, or {{type2|Water}} {{p|Squirtle|Zenigame}}) from [[Professor Oak|Dr. Okido]], the local authority on Pokémon (and with their rival choosing the Pokémon whose type weakens that of the player), players would journey across the region, defeating the eight Gym Leaders: [[Brock|Takeshi]], [[Misty|Kasumi]], [[Lt. Surge|Matis]], [[Erika]], [[Koga|Kyo]], [[Sabrina|Natsume]], [[Blaine|Katsura]], and [[Giovanni|Sakaki]]. After all eight have been defeated, the player goes on to challenge the Elite Four, [[Lorelei|Kanna]], [[Bruno|Siba]], [[Agatha|Kikuko]], and [[Lance|Wataru]], and finally, in their last battle, the current champion, their rival.

Along the way, Trainers will encounter the evil [[Team Rocket|Rocket Gang]], a group of criminals that seek to exploit Pokémon, rather than train them as friends and partners, and must defeat them to put a stop to their actions. The rival will also continuously harass the player, challenging him to {{pkmn|battle}} over and over, with an increasingly powerful team. That is, not to say, that the player's own Pokémon will not also be ever more powerful. Thus is the path to the [[Indigo Plateau|Quartz Plateau]]....

==Connectivity==
The two games introduced the ability to allow players to [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges using a [[Game Boy]] [[link cable]]. To take fullest advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to each game of the pair, making it required that a person trade with others in order to complete their [[Pokédex]]. The link cable also makes possible battles with another player, allowing one to pit their Pokémon against equals when their Pokémon are as powerful as they can be, at level 100.

Trades done between Pokémon games in different languages are impossible in this generation, and will always result in corruption if it is attempted. This is due to the fact that the games cannot automatically translate the Pokémon as there is not enough room on either cartridge for all of the text in so many languages (a feature that would later become possible).

==Features==
===Gyms===
As would become the case for each Pokémon game in the [[Version|main series]] to come, there are eight [[Pokémon Gym]]s in Kanto, each with their own type affiliation. The [[Gym Leader]]s are [[Brock|Takeshi]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Misty|Kasumi]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Lt. Surge|Matis]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Erika]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Koga|Kyō]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Sabrina|Natsume]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Blaine|Katsura]] ({{t|Fire}}) and [[Giovanni|Sakaki]] ({{t|Ground}}).

===Elite Four===
Another trend established by Red and Green, the goal for players, the [[Elite Four]], is located at the [[Indigo Plateau|Quartz Plateau]]. The Elite trainers are [[Lorelei|Kanna]] ({{t|Ice}}), [[Bruno|Siba]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Agatha|Kikuko]] ({{t|Ghost}}) and [[Lance|Wataru]] ({{t|Dragon}}). The [[Champion]] is none other than the rival, {{ga|Blue|Green}}, who has Pokémon of mixed types.

===Pokémon===
Each game contains pre-recorded data on 151 different species of Pokémon, including {{p|Mew}}, a Pokémon even [[Nintendo]] was not aware of initially. Despite this, not all Pokémon are available to the player, regardless of version; trades must occur between players in order to complete their Pokédex without the use of cheats or glitches. Mew is the only Pokémon in these games that ''must'' be acquired through attending either a Nintendo sponsored event, [[Mew glitch|a glitch]], or [[cheating]].

==[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]==
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation I]] which has that Pokémon available.
{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{red color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{red color light}};"
|-
! Red
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{red color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|023|Ekans|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|024|Arbok|1|Poison|}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|056|Mankey|1|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|057|Primeape|1|Fighting|}}
{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|123|Scyther|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric|}}
|}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{green color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{green color light}};"
|-
! Green
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{green color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|027|Sandshrew|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|126|Magmar|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug|}}
|}
|}
|}

==Legacy==
Pocket Monsters Red and Green set the precedent for what has become a blockbuster, multi-billion dollar franchise. In Japan, Red, Green, and the [[Versions|third version]] Blue combined have sold 10.23 million copies.<ref>[http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten2.htm Japan Platinum Game Chart. The Magic Box. Access date: 2008-01-26.]</ref> In the United States, Pokémon Red has sold 4.83 million copies, while Pokémon Blue has sold 5.02 million copies.<ref>[http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml US Platinum Videogame Chart. The Magic Box. Access date: 2008-01-26.]</ref> These numbers combine to make a total of 9.85 million copies sold in the US.

Pocket Monsters Red and Green were the namesake of the [[Generation I]] remakes of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} released in 2004, even in regions where Blue was paired with Red.

==Trivia==
* Development of Red and Green started during 1990, making their development the longest of all by far.
* The game's main characters {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue|Green}} have several default names, among them サトシ ''Satoshi'' and シゲル ''Shigeru'', respectively. These names come from Pokémon creator [[Satoshi Tajiri]] and his friend and fellow Nintendo developer, [[Shigeru Miyamoto]]. When the games were translated into the English Red and Blue, the defaults became Red and Blue. Alternative names that could be chosen were Ash and Gary, after the anime characters that share the names [[Ash Ketchum|Satoshi]] and [[Gary Oak|Shigeru]].
* While Red and Green are the first [[Pokémon games]] released, they were not necessarily the first Pokémon trademark ever registered. {{p|Mew}} was the first Pokémon trademark ever applied for; the application for the Pokémon was submitted on May 9, 1990, while the application for Pocket Monsters Red and Green was submitted on September 11, 1995. Before Red and Green were granted registered trademarks on December 26, 1997, Mew (then spelled ミュー, not ミュウ) had already become the first Pokémon trademark registered, granted on March 31, 1994; ミュウ was later granted on August 6, 1999.
* Red and Green, as well as [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|their remakes]] are the only [[main series]] Pokémon games to be released in the first two thirds of the year in Japan. All of the others to date have been released between September and December.
* The storyline of Kanto introduced in these games has the honor of being the most available one of all games, being featured in six separate games (Blue, Yellow, FireRed, and LeafGreen, in addition to Red and Green).
* In the Mastermind of the Mirage Pokemon, Professor Oak references with his password "REDGREEN"
* Although {{game|Crystal}} was the only version whose name included the term "Version" in Japanese, the term was used in English on the back covers and the title screen of Pokémon Red and Green as well as in [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|the Japanese Blue]].
** The same situation occurs with the Japanese versions of Pokémon Yellow, Gold, and Silver, except it does not appear on the title screen.
* Red and Green are the only Generation I games that inform the player that in order to save the game, the current save file has to be overwritten. Curiously, this only happens in the first attempt to save.
** They are also the only Generation I games that don't give a waiting message when the saving process is in course, making said process almost instantaneous. This also happens with [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], however.

==References==
<references/>

{{Main series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Pokémon Rot und Grün (Japan)]]
[[es:Pokémon Verde]]
[[fr:Pokémon Vert]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスター赤・緑]]
[[pt:Pokémon Red e Green]]