Bulbapedia - User contributions [en]

Talk:DP132

2009-11-14T14:03:06Z

Kirby3003: /* I've got a few comments... */ new section

==I'm not sure...==

Should it be written in the article that this is the first episode that shows a Pokémon being ''burned''? Mmmmm though I'm not sure if it is the first time, it's just that I can't remember seing it before. I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 00:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it is.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia Addition ==

Is it just me, or can you hear Regigigas' "anime cry" when Chimchar evoles. As a matter of fact this music was used when Regigigas went back to normal in DP129. Here's a link to that part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNi6PaC5hHY

If I'm right, its worth being added to the Trivia section, right?--[[User:Blazaking|Blazaking]] 13:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Monferno's Blaze ==

Just a heads up for people who want to add it back. Yes it does look like Blaze but it's not. This is what's said in Pocketmonsters.net's fansub.
:Dawn: Is that Blaze?
:Reggie: No. It's not. {{tt|Moukazaru|Monferno}}'s fighting spirit has flared up, as if it wants to say "I won't go down just yet!".

Though, J-J-M, this could have been prevented if you explained better. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:God that is messed up. Reggie says it isn't Blaze, then implies it is... --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I don't get it either. Reggie screwed us over big time D= --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::: I really don't think Reggie implied, after all look at Monferno's Diamond Pokédex entry: '''"To intimidate attackers, it stretches the fire on its tail to make itself appear bigger."''' or its platinum's Pokédex: "'''It skillfully controls the intensity of the fire on its tail to keep its foes at an ideal distance.'''" so I'm not sure how Reggie implied it was.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 17:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== I've got a few comments... ==

*Please correct me if I'm wrong*

1. Monferno's evolution- The evolution in this episode seemed different from any other. It looked like you could see every change that took place while chimchar evolved into Monferno. Normally, the pokemon would just glow white and then kinda morph slowly into a new shape rather than change step by step like chimchar did.

2. Pikachu's static- Is this the first time we hear about pikachu's static ability? If not in this episode, I'm sure it has only come up during sometime in the diamond & pearl episodes. I just think it funny that after all these years, it's only now pikachu can paralysis other pokemon through physical contact. Ash could have won so many battle had this always been the case.

3. Burn Status- I do think this might be the first episode where a pokemon get burned. If not, could someone tell me the first episode where burned happens?

Blastoise (Pokémon)

2008-06-02T21:34:43Z

Kirby3003: Undo revision 293271 by Trainer-c (Talk)

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Wartortle | next=Caterpie }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Blastoise |
jname=カメックス |
tmname=Kamex |
image=009Blastoise.png|size=130px|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=009 |
jdex=234 |
hdex=211 |
fdex=078 |
adex=013 |
typen=1 |
type1=Water |
type2= |
species=Shellfish |
height-ftin=5′03″ |
height-m=1.6 |
weight-lbs=188.5 |
weight-kg=85.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Torrent |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Water 1 |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=3 SpD |
expyield=210 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gender=both |
female=12.5 |
male=87.5 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
generation=1 |
pokefordex=blastoise |
footnotes=}}
'''Blastoise''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''カメックス''' ''Kamex'') is a {{type2|Water}} Pokémon.

Blastoise comes with the [[ability]] {{A|Torrent}}, which increases the power of Water-type attacks by 50% once the Pokémon has less than one-third of its maximum HP.

Blastoise evolves from {{p|Wartortle}} starting at Level 36.

Blastoise is the version mascot of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Blue]], appearing on the boxart.

== Biology ==
=== Physiology ===
Blastoise is a bipedal, large, blue tortoise with a brown shell and two water cannons that jut out of the top of its shell. The cannons can be withdrawn inside the shell, or rotated to point backwards; this enables Blastoise to commence jet assisted rams.
====Gender differences====
None.
===Special abilities===
Blastoise can shoot water from its cannons with enough force to punch holes in steel, and enough accuracy to hit an empty can 160 feet away.

===Behavior===
===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Water's-edge Pokémon|Water's-edge Pokémon]]]]
Blastoise can be found living on island beaches near the ocean, but their preferred habitat seems to be freshwater ponds and lakes.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

== In the anime ==
[[Image:BlastoiseAnime.jpg|thumb|right|Blastoise in ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'']]

Blastoise first appeared as a giant mechanical Pokémon in ''[[EP017|Island of the Giant Pokémon]]''.

In ''[[EP020|The Ghost of Maiden's Peak]]'', a Gastly created an illusion of Blastoise in order to frighten Ash's {{AP|Squirtle}}. Gastly subsequently combined this Blastoise with an illusionary {{p|Venusaur}} to create ''Venustoise'', which terrified both Squirtle and Bulbasaur out of battling.

The first time a real Blastoise appeared in was in ''[[EP025|Primeape Goes Bananas]]''. It was in Ash's flashback in an advertisement for the contest in which he won his special [[Ash's hat|hat]].

In ''[[EP060|Beach Blank-Out Blastoise]]'' a real Blastoise was met in person. The Blastoise that was ruling over an island of Squirtle and Wartortle. It had {{an|Jigglypuff}} stuck in one its cannons and it made everyone fall asleep.

[[Neesha]], a trainer that went to [[New Island]] in ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', had a Blastoise named "Shellshocker". It fought with {{an|Mewtwo}}'s cloned Blastoise and lost. It was taken from her by Mewtwo's special Poké Balls but was liberated by Ash along with the other confiscated Pokémon. Along with [[Ash's Charizard]] and another trainer's {{p|Venusaur}} they were the only taken away Pokémon not to be cloned, this could be that Mewtwo don't need more than one copy of each clone.

[[Cissy]] used a {{TP|Cissy|Blastoise}} against {{Ash}} and his {{p|Lapras}} in a Wave Race during ''[[EP085|Fit to be Tide]]''.

In ''[[EP106|The Pokémon Water War]]'', Capt. Aiden had a team of Blastoise, Wartortle and Squirtle that were used to extinguish fires.
[[Image:Gary_blastoise.jpg|thumb|right|[[Gary]] and his {{TP|Gary|Blastoise}}]]
During ''[[EP248|One Trick Phony!]]'', [[Team Rocket]] used a Blastoise against [[Ash's Pikachu]] in an elaborate plan to capture it.

[[Gary Oak]] has a {{TP|Gary|Blastoise}} that he originally received as a Squirtle from [[Professor Oak]].

Jimmy's Wartortle evolved into Blastoise in ''[[AG092|Judgement Day!]]''.

A {{pkmn|Coordinator}} uses a Blastoise in the [[Verdanturf Town|Verdanturf]] Contest.

[[Lola]] has a Blastoise.

[[Sid]] had a Blastoise in ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]''.

In [[DP072]], [[Hajime]] had three Blastoise use {{m|Rain Dance}} in order to douse a forest fire that was caused by J's Salamence.

== In the manga ==
In [[Pokémon Special]], one of {{Special|Blue}}'s main Pokémon is a Blastoise, evolved from the {{p|Squirtle}} she stole from [[Professor Oak]].

In [[Pokémon Zensho]], [[Shigeru (Zensho)|Shigeru's]] Squirtle eventually evolved into a Blastoise that fought [[Satoshi (Zensho)|Satoshi's]] {{p|Charizard}} for the title of Champion of the Pokémon League.

== In the TCG ==
{{main|Blastoise (TCG)}}

== Other appearances ==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Blastoise will use {{m|Hydro Pump}} in one direction. Each Pump moves Blastoise backwards slightly making it a danger to those fighting behind it as well. Blastoise's trophy also refers to Blastoise as the 'Definitive Water Type'.
====Trophy information====
Blastoise is the next evolutionary step after Wartortle. The thick jets of water they shoot from the cannons on their backs are strong enough to cut through steel plating. When in danger, they hide inside their armored shells. Blastoise is so popular among trainers that it's considered the definitive {{type2|Water}}.

==Game data==
=== NPC appearances ===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Blastoise is the leader of Team Hydro, a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Bronze Rank]] rescue team. It joins a new team to designed to rescue [[Team A.C.T.]] from [[Magma Cavern]] but fails to reach them. Blastoise appears to go exploring a lot as it discovers [[Western Cave]] and [[Meteor Cave]]. It reaches the end of Western Cave with {{p|Charizard}} but is defeated by {{p|Mewtwo}}. Blastoise is quick to anger, a feature that Charizard exploits to boost morale.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=water
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A brutal Pokémon with pressurized water jets on its shell. They are used for high speed tackles.
|yellowdex=Once it takes aim at its enemy, it {{m2|Hydro Pump|blasts out water}} with even more force than a fire hose.
|stadiumdex=It has spouts extending from its shell at the top. They spray water like cannons, hard enough to pierce concrete walls.
|golddex=It deliberately makes itself heavy so it can withstand the recoil of the water jets it fires.
|stadium2dex=It deliberately makes itself heavy so it can withstand the recoil of the water jets it fires.
|silverdex=The rocket cannons on its shell fire jets of water capable of punching holes through thick steel.
|crystaldex=It firmly plants its feet on the ground before shooting water from the jets on its back.
|rubydex=Blastoise has water spouts that protrude from its shell. The water spouts are very accurate. They can shoot bullets of water with enough accuracy to strike empty cans from a distance of over 160 feet.
|sapphiredex=Blastoise has water spouts that protrude from its shell. The water spouts are very accurate. They can shoot bullets of water with enough accuracy to strike empty cans from a distance of over 160 feet.
|emeralddex=The waterspouts that protrude from its shell are highly accurate. Their bullets of water can precisely nail tin cans from a distance of over 160 feet.
|firereddex=It crushes its foe under its heavy body to cause fainting. In a pinch, it will {{M|withdraw}} inside its shell.
|leafgreendex=The pressurized water jets on this brutal Pokémon's shell are used for high-speed tackles.
|diamonddex=The jets of water it spouts from the rocket cannons on its shell can punch through thick steel.
|pearldex=The jets of water it spouts from the rocket cannons on its shell can punch through thick steel.
}}

====Alternate games====
;[[Pokémon Pinball]], [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] ({{TCG|Base Set}}, {{TCG|Base Set 2}}, {{TCG|Legendary Collection}})
:A brutal Pokémon with pressurized water jets on its shell. They are used for high speed tackles.
;[[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] ({{TCG|Team Rocket}})
:An aggressive Pokémon that tackles anything it sees.

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=water |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Wartortle}} |
yarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Wartortle}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Wartortle}} |
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
palarea=Pond |
}}

==== In side games ====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei]]
| Endless Level 73 Forever Level 23 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Western Cave]] (89F-98F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger]]
| [[Fall City]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[End Lake]] (B1-B24)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]]
| [[Vien Forest]]
|}

=== Base stats ===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=79 |
Attack=83 |
Defense=100 |
SpAtk=85 |
Special=85 |
SpDef=105 |
Speed=78 }}

===Type effectiveness===

{{DP type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{Learnset intro|Blastoise}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation I]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="6" | Previous || {{m|Tackle}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| {{m|Tail Whip}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| '''{{m|Bubble}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| '''{{m|Water Gun}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| {{m|Bite}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| {{M|Withdraw}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| 42 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 52 || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation II]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="8" | Previous || {{m|Tackle}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| {{m|Tail Whip}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| '''{{m|Bubble}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| {{M|Withdraw}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| '''{{m|Water Gun}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| {{m|Bite}} || {{ic|Dark}}
|-
| {{M|Rapid Spin}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 42 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| 55 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 68 || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| rowspan="8" | Previous || {{m|Tackle}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| {{m|Tail Whip}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| '''{{m|Bubble}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| {{M|Withdraw}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| '''{{m|Water Gun}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| {{m|Bite}} || {{ic|Dark}}
|-
| {{M|Rapid Spin}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 42 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| 55 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 68 || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| rowspan="11" | Previous || {{m|Flash Cannon}} || {{ic|Steel}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| {{m|Tackle}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{m|Tail Whip}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| '''{{m|Bubble}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| {{M|Withdraw}} || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| '''{{m|Water Gun}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| {{m|Bite}} || {{ic|Dark}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Rapid Spin}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| {{M|Protect}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| '''{{M|Water Pulse}} || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| '''{{M|Aqua Tail}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 39 || {{M|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 46 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 53 || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|}
|}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation I]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| [[TM01]] || {{m|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM05]] || {{m|Mega Kick}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM06]] || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|Poison}}
|-
| [[TM08]] || {{m|Body Slam}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM09]] || {{m|Take Down}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM10]] || {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM11]] || '''{{m|BubbleBeam}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[TM12]] || '''{{m|Water Gun}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[TM13]] || {{m|Ice Beam}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM14]] || {{m|Blizzard}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM15]] || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM17]] || {{m|Submission}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM18]] || {{m|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM19]] || {{m|Seismic Toss}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM20]] || {{m|Rage}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM26]] || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM27]] || {{M|Fissure}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM28]] || {{m|Dig}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM31]] || {{m|Mimic}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM32]] || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM33]] || {{m|Reflect}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| [[TM34]] || {{m|Bide}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM40]] || {{m|Skull Bash}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM44]] || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| [[TM50]] || {{M|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[HM03]] || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[HM04]] || {{m|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation II]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| [[TM01]] || {{m|DynamicPunch}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM02]] || {{m|Headbutt}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM03]] || {{m|Curse}} || {{ic|Unknown}}
|-
| [[TM04]] || {{M|Rollout}} || {{ic|Rock}}
|-
| [[TM05]] || {{M|Roar}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM06]] || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|Poison}}
|-
| [[TM08]] || {{m|Rock Smash}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM10]] || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM13]] || {{M|Snore}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM14]] || {{M|Blizzard}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM15]] || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM16]] || {{M|Icy Wind}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM17]] || {{m|Protect}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM18]] || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[TM20]] || {{m|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM21]] || {{m|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM23]] || {{m|Iron Tail}} || {{ic|Steel}}
|-
| [[TM26]] || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM27]] || {{m|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM28]] || {{m|Dig}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM31]] || {{m|Mud-Slap}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM32]] || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM33]] || {{M|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM34]] || {{M|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM35]] || {{M|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM40]] || {{M|Defense Curl}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM44]] || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| [[TM45]] || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[HM03]] || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[HM04]] || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[HM06]] || '''{{M|Whirlpool}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[HM07]] || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| [[TM01]] || {{m|Focus Punch}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM03]] || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[TM05]] || {{M|Roar}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM06]] || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|Poison}}
|-
| [[TM07]] || {{M|Hail}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM10]] || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM13]] || {{m|Ice Beam}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM14]] || {{m|Blizzard}} || {{ic|Ice}}
|-
| [[TM15]] || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM17]] || {{m|Protect}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM18]] || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[TM21]] || {{m|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM23]] || {{m|Iron Tail}} || {{ic|Steel}}
|-
| [[TM26]] || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM27]] || {{m|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM28]] || {{m|Dig}} || {{ic|Ground}}
|-
| [[TM31]] || {{m|Brick Break}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[TM32]] || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM42]] || {{m|Facade}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM43]] || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[TM44]] || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| [[TM45]] || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[HM03]] || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[HM04]] || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| [[HM06]] || {{M|Rock Smash}} || {{ic|Fighting}}
|-
| [[HM07]] || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|-
| [[HM08]] || '''{{M|Dive}}''' || {{ic|Water}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[TM|#]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| [[TM01]] || {{m|Focus Punch}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM03]] || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM06]] || {{m|Toxic}} || {{ic|Poison}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM07]] || {{M|Hail}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM10]] || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM13]] || {{m|Ice Beam}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM14]] || {{m|Blizzard}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM15]] || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM17]] || {{m|Protect}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM18]] || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM21]] || {{m|Frustration}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM23]] || {{m|Iron Tail}} || {{ic|Steel}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM26]] || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM27]] || {{m|Return}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM28]] || {{m|Dig}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM31]] || {{m|Brick Break}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM32]] || {{m|Double Team}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM39]] || {{m|Rock Tomb}} || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM42]] || {{m|Facade}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM43]] || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM44]] || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM45]] || {{M|Attract}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM52]] || {{M|Focus Blast}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM55]] || '''{{m|Brine}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM56]] || {{M|Fling}} || {{ic|Dark}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM58]] || {{M|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM68]] || {{M|Giga Impact}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM72]] || {{M|Avalanche}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM74]] || {{m|Gyro Ball}} || {{ic|Steel}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[TM78]] || {{M|Captivate}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM15]] || {{M|Rock Slide}} || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM83]] || {{M|Natural Gift}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[TM87]] || {{M|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM90]] || {{M|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| [[TM91]] || {{M|Flash Cannon}} || {{ic|Steel}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[HM03]] || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| [[HM04]] || {{M|Strength}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[HM06]] || {{M|Rock Smash}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[HM07]] || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| [[HM08]] || {{M|Rock Climb}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|}
|}

====By [[breeding]]====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
! [[Gender|Father]]
|-
| '''{{m|Aqua Jet}}'''
! {{ic|Water}}
! {{ic|Physical}}
| {{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}} {{p|Kabuto}}, {{p|Kabutops}} {{p|Empoleon}} {{p|Buizel}}, {{p|Floatzel}}
|-
| '''{{m|Aqua Ring}}'''
! {{ic|Water}}
! {{ic|Status}}
| {{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}} {{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Corsola}} {{p|Mantine}} {{p|Milotic}} {{p|Gorebyss}} {{p|Phione}}, {{p|Manaphy}}
|-
| {{m|Fake Out}}
! {{ic|Normal}}
! {{ic|Physical}}
| {{p|Kangaskhan}} {{p|Lombre}}
|-
| {{m|Flail}}
! {{ic|Normal}}
! {{ic|Physical}}
| {{p|Feebas}}
|-
| {{m|Foresight}}
! {{ic|Normal}}
! {{ic|Status}}
| {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}}
|-
| {{m|Haze}}
! {{ic|Ice}}
! {{ic|Status}}
| {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Surskit}}
|-
| {{m|Mirror Coat}}
! {{ic|Psychic}}
! {{ic|Special}}
| {{p|Corsola}}
|-
| {{m|Mud Sport}}
! {{ic|Ground}}
! {{ic|Status}}
| {{p|Mudkip}}, {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}} {{p|Relicanth}} {{p|Shellos}}, {{p|Gastrodon}}
|-
| '''{{m|Muddy Water}}'''
! {{ic|Water}}
! {{ic|Special}}
| {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Shellos}}, {{p|Gastrodon}}
|-
| {{m|Refresh}}
! {{ic|Normal}}
! {{ic|Status}}
| {{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Lickilicky}} {{p|Corsola}} {{p|Milotic}}
|-
| {{m|Yawn}}
! {{ic|Normal}}
! {{ic|Status}}
| {{p|Slowpoke}}, {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Slowking}} {{p|Snorlax}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Relicanth}} {{p|Bidoof}}, {{p|Bibarel}}
|-
| colspan="4" |<nowiki>*</nowiki>Indicates moves only available through [[chain breeding]].
|}

====By [[move tutor|tutoring]]====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
! colspan="3" | [[Version]]
|-
| {{m|Body Slam}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Counter}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Double-Edge}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mega Punch}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mega Kick}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mimic}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Seismic Toss}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Substitute}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} || style="background:#FF6000" | [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|'''FR''' || style="background: #00EE00" | '''LG''']] || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Defense Curl}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|DynamicPunch}} || {{ic|Fighting}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Endure}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Ice Punch}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Icy Wind}} || {{ic|Ice}} || {{ic|Special}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Mud-Slap}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Special}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Rollout}} || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Sleep Talk}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Snore}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Special}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| {{m|Swagger}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Emerald|'''E''']]
|-
| '''{{m|Hydro Cannon}}''' || {{ic|Water}} || {{ic|Special}} ||   ||   || style="background:#00C000" | [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl|'''DP''']]
|}

====Special moves====
In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Blastoise will learn Hydro Cannon at level 99 if it has at least 333 [[IQ]] points. If this requirement is not met until after reaching level 99, Hydro Cannon will still be available at the Move Relearner.

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=water |
ndex=009 |
Pinevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-33.9% |
area=Turtleshell Pond |
P1= This thick shell isn't just for show! |
P2= Not good. My HP's down to half... |
P3= I'm done for... My shell is cracking... |
PL= Leveled up! I think my shell thickened! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG=Water |
typeA=Water |
field=Soak x3 |
loop=17 |
MinEXP=150 |
MaxEXP=180 |
browser= Blastoise attacks by forcefully blasting streams of water. |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Water |
typeA2= Water |
field2= Rain Dance |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="5" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=007.png |
name=Squirtle }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 16 |
image=008.png |
name=Wartortle }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level 36 |
image=009.png |
name=Blastoise }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=water|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=009|
name=Blastoise|
}}

==Trivia==
*It seems as if Blastoise's skin color in its sprites has gone from Dark blue in [[Generation II]], to light blue in [[Generation III]], and back to Dark Blue in [[Generation IV]].
*Blastoise shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}}. They are all known as Shellfish Pokémon.

===Origin===
Its design appears to be a turtle mixed with aspects of a {{wp|tank}}.
====Name origin====
Blastoise's name is a combination of ''blast'', referring to its cannons, and ''{{wp|tortoise}}''. ''Kamex'' comes from the Japanese word for tortoise/turtle, 亀 ''kame'', and possibly マックス ''makkusu'', or ''max'', as in ''maximum''.

Blastoise's name may also come from the word [[wp:Blastoid|Blastoid]], which are an extinct type of stemmed [[wp:echinoderm|echinoderm]] with small hickory nut shaped fossils.

==In other languages==
* [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Turtok
* [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Tortank - ''Tortue'' means tortoise and ''tank'' is the same word in English.
* [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 거북왕 ''Geobukwang'' - Portmanteau of ''turtle'' and ''king''.
* [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan and Hong Kong)]]: 水箭龜 ''Shűi Jìan Gui'' - "Water rocket turtle".

==Related articles==
* [[Gary's Blastoise]]
* [[Cissy's Blastoise]]

==External links==
* [[wp:Blastoise|Article on Wikipedia]]
*[http://taichi.xemnas.net/blastoise/ Hydro Blaster], the fanlisting for Blastoise at [[wp:The Anime Fanlistings Network|The Anime Fanlistings Network]]

{{Smash Bros.}}
{{Starter Pokémon‎}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Wartortle | next=Caterpie }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Version mascots]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Turtok]]
[[fr:Tortank]]
[[ja:カメックス]]
[[pl:Blastoise]]
[[pt:Blastoise (pokémon)]]

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1

2008-06-02T21:22:30Z

Kirby3003: /* Another Giratina Comment */

What exactly are the "rules" of being a Legendary, now that Phione is considered a legendary? It doesn't seem that there are any anymore, making the whole title pretty pointless. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 05:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Even in the anime, are Entei, Raikou, and Suicune ever thought of as gods? I thought they were spirits or embodiments of their elements.

Is Mewtwo really a Legendary? It's even less related to being a God than Raikou, Entei and Suicune, as it's just a mutant created in a laboratory. Also, in the Symphonic Medley Opening, you don't see Mewtwo coupling with the other Legendaries. Perhaps this article should be made more precise, telling the reader that Mewtwo isn't really a Legendary, but often is mentioned as a Legendary, as it has legendary powers (from mew)? What do you think? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 21:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's safe to assume that Mewtwo is a legendary, but a note might be added about that. Also, how do you say legendary in Japanese? More curious than anything, it doesn't have to be added to the page -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

The question is whether ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'' are exclusive categories. Are there any Pokémon which are ''maboroshi'' and in ''densetsu''? Some of the ''maboroshi'' Pokémon are present in ''densetsu'', such as Lugia (although a veiled reference); [[Latios]] and [[Latias]] are featured in ''densetsu'', but their species is ''mugen Pokémon'' - perhaps a roundabout self-reference to the nature of legendary Pokémon - but English species name ''Eon'' suggests a pun between 無限 (infinite) and 夢幻 (fantasy) rather than that. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:16, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realy wonder If any trainer ever captured (or already captured) an densetsu or maboroshi? (exept Giovanni he owned mewto for a limited time)

Mewtwo is more of the ''maboroshi'' than the ''densetsu''. Determining weither or not it's 'densetsu' or not depends on which canon we use. In the Anime, the Kanto Bird Trio certainly is ''densetsu'', but in the games, they are barely mentioned, except by a few Bird Keepers.
Should the message at the bottom about the Regis have info added to include Regigigas or not? I believe that it is the sealed Pokemon that the caves in Hoenn warn about. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 15:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Interesting. I always assumed it referred to all three Gen III Regis but in the light of Diamond and Pearl that is a good possibility. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 23:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting point is that DP itself uses the terms ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'', and this is translated into English as ''mirage'' and ''legendary'', respectively. It also seems to suggest that ''maboroshi'' is a subset of ''densetsu''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Regarding this, should we mention which categories each Legendary falls under? If there's a list somewhere in Japanese? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

----

I think that the [[Sinnoh Myths]] article should be merged with this one, or else the entire section on "Myths and Legends involving Legendary Pokémon" might need to be its own article (perhaps called something like "Myths and Legends of the Pokémon World" so it has greater scope?) with the Sinnoh Myths part of that. Just an idea, because I saw that it's a featured article candidate now, and the myths section looks sort of subpar. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

----

I think that Unown should defiantly be considered a lengendary. --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Like Arcanine, I suppose it could be considered as having legendary characteristics, but really, it's not legendary. Legendaries are pretty much completely defined by the fact that they are one-per-game Pokémon that are not able to breed and produce offspring that either is or can become the same species. And, of course, how many Unown can you get? A lot. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Solaceon Ruins? ==

Should a translation of the Unown runes there be on this page? --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== What about Absol? ==

Sometimes, aren't absol considered legendary?

:No. I've never heard of Absol being legendary, and I know a lot about Absol. :S [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think they're ever considered legendary. They have appeared close to legendaries, because Absol are disaster-sensing Pokémon, and there are no bigger disasters than those caused by legendaries and their interaction with nature ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Giratina ==

Since when was Giratina confirmed to have been created from Arceus? And even more pertinent, since when have Cresscelia and Darkrai been said to have been created from Giratina? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:According to the games, Arceus is the "Original One." This would mean that everything in the Pokémon world was either created by Arceus or by another Pokémon that was created by Arceus, or another Pokémon that was created by a Pokémon that was created by Arceus, and so on. Giratina is clearly too powerful to have been created by Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, or Palkia, so by a process of elimination, Giratina was created by Arceus. Also, [[Dragon trio|this article]] wouldn't be on Bulbapedia if Giratina wasn't recognized by everyone as being created by Arceus (I didn't start the article). Now, as for why Cresselia and Darkrai were created by Giraina. First, they were nowhere near powerful enough to be straight from Arceus. Therefore, they must either be from Dialga and Palkia, Giratina, or Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Due to the fact that they essentially have nothing to do with time and space, they would have to be created by either Giratina or the Lake Trio. Since there is no mention of Cresselia or Darkrai in the legends in the Canalave Library (Giratina isn't mentioned because it was unknown), they can't have been made by the Lake Trio either. Therefore, by a process of elimination, Giratina created Cresselia and Darkrai. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's nothing but original research. None of us get the right to say something isn't "powerful enough" to be created by Arceus. Unless Game Freak/Tajiri/etc. announce any of that, you can't treat it as fact.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That is entirely all speculation on your part. I'm surprised you didn't try to shove all the other Legendaries into that absurd "family tree". So did Kyogre give birth to Manaphy or did Lugia mate with Latias? *rolls eyes* And that article you linked to is about ''fan terminology'', so that isn't confirming it as fact. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That article I linked to says that Giratina is on an equal level (power-wise, not in-game level-wise) as Dialga and Palkia. And I didn't add the other legendaries because they, unlike Giratina, Darkrai, and Cresselia, have '''no''' proof of their relationships with other legendary Pokémon. If I was going to add an "absurd family tree" as you called it, I would have added [[User:Shiny Noctowl#The legendaries|this]] (some of the sub-relationships ''are'' confirmed, but their relationships with Gen IV haven't been confirmed yet, so I couldn't add them). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::: No, the article you linked to just said that "The Dragon trio is a term used to refer to Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia". It doesn't say anything about these mysterious "power levels" that seem to only exist in your mind, nor that the three all came from Arceus anymore than Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza do. Nor does it say anything about Darkrai and Cresselia being siblings or Giratina being their mother. This is entirely fanwank speculation on your part. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::By "power levels," I just meant that they are equally powerful. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is based on stats. Look:

'''Giratina'''

HP: 150

Attack: 100

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 100

SpDef: 120

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Dialga'''

HP: 100

Attack: 120

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 100

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Palkia'''

HP: 90

Attack: 120

Defense: 100

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 120

Speed: 100

Total: 680

Not only do they all have the same total base stats (680) but they have the same distributions (one 150, two 120s, two 100, and one 90). This clearly shows that they are a trio. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed something kind of awkward about Palkia. You know it's in-game base HP, 90. Now look at a card scan of Palkia from the Diamond & Pearl TCG set. If you notice, they have the ''exacly the same HP''. Take an example from Shednga. In-game-1-TCG-''up to 50''.-[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[Image:Ani201MS.gif]] 9:40 p.m., 10 October 2007 (CT)

''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings. Fan assumptions do not count. '''End of story.''' --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Every single legendary trio has the same total base stats with the same distributions between stats. Therefore, my argument is valid until you can find three unrelated Pokémon that have the same base stat total with the same distribution. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please get it through your head that ''stats have no effect on Pokemon background or flavor information''. Second of all, easily done. Shaymin. Manaphy. Mew. Jirachi. Celebi. I guess they all come from some unnamed "mother" Pokemon as well, right? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I said ''unrelated'' Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:And you first said:
Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything.
:But then completely reversed it and said:
''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings.
:First you say that base stats are important and Pokédex entries aren't important, and then you say that base stats aren't important and Pokédex entries '''are''' important. Which is it? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think a more sound argument will note that all of the highest-powered legendaries of a generation typically have their stats sum to 680, as Mewtwo does, too. That doesn't imply lineage, directly anyway. Also, your argument that power doesn't increase down an "evolutionary" or other chain is disproven by Mewtwo, who is significantly more "powerful" than Mew in every canonical respect save learnset. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Okay. About Giratina and everything. Go compare Dialga, Palkia and Giratina's stats and level-up moves.
:Stats: 150 (1), 120 (2), 100 (2), 90 (1).
:Moves in common - Scary Face and DragonBreath at L:1.
:STAB move at 10.
:AncientPower at 20.
:Dragon Claw at 30.
:Signature move at 40.
:Heal Block at 50.
:Earth Power at 60.
:Slash at 70. (I say wtc at this one. Why Slash?!)
:Powerful STAB move at 80.
:Aura Sphere at 90.
:(Note that the ONLY differences between the movepools between the movepools is the STAB moves, and the signature moves. Coincidental? I think not.) [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 16:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that they're related. And Giratina will be the third version mascot. However, that's a conclusion and not a fact. Still, I don't get why doesn't Giratina appear in the article anymore. Did it start a Shadow Force? If the trouble is because of classifying it as a "legendary dragon", then let's just place Giratina next to Regigigas and the others, and mention its possible relation to Dialga and Palkia while the third version doesn't appear. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:You say "It's obvious they're related." So it should be added back into the article.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center"| [[Legendary trio]] || align="center"| [[Dragon trio|Existence trio]] || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

hey, i did this! by the way, giratina IS PART OF THIS TRIO. just wait till pokemon opal comes out. you'll see. there is a website if you don't believe in me: [http://PokemonOpal.com]. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm............... that link just goes to the nintendo website..........It has nothing about girantina! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT! but it's strange anyway. you can see a better description here: [http://www.pokebeach.com/?start_from=70&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&]. scroll down until you see Sunday - May 6th, 2007. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 23:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The guy said it was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 23:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

no, he said that someone made it up and THAT was an April fools joke. still, the website still exists. And the registrant of that site (which likns to nintendo) is nintendo! think whatever you want, dude, but ever since i read this, it got stuck on my head. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 11:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:The fact that Nintendo that domain name certainly is suspicious. However, Nintendo has also filed a bunch of weird trademarks like "Pokémon Amethyst," and we shouldn't think about a website redirect so hard. It may mean absolutely nothing; for example, J.K. Rowling has a history of filing trademarks for fake Harry Potter titles.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Yep, there's a problem with Giratina being part of the Dragon Trio...Guess what? It is '''not''' in the Sinnoh Pokédex! Looking at the before Sister games, you can conclude that the region's Pokédex stays the same until the defeat of the Elite Four. So, in conclusion, Giratina will NOT be in the main storyline of the sister game of Diamond and Pearl. In other words, The only Legendaries left to be the next game's mascot are the Lake Trio and Manaphy! Big Problem, right? At least Rayquaza '''and''' Suicune were in their region Pokédexes! The likeliness of a sister game to DP is low, very low...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nintendo will probably come up with a way around it. Maybe the main storyline happens '''after''' you become the Champion. Or maybe, the main storyline happens before you become the Champion, but you don't get to actually catch Giratina until after you become the Champion. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Most game event take place before the elite four and the star Pokémon is usually obtainable before the elite four anyway (I used a master ball on the Rayquaza) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Forgetting that {{p|Rayquaza}} was only obtainable after the E4? Yes, it was in Hoenn Dex.. but even then, you CAN get Pokémon not in Sinnoh Dex - for example, I did have 100 {{p|Eevee}} before the Elite Four - I just couldn't view their dex data or number. So um.. yeah, I still think it's possible ^^; I think you got Rayquaza before the E4 in {{pkmn|Emerald}}, though I'm not sure because I haven't got to that point yet. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, yeah. I was talking bout Emerald. And it's true, Rayquaza is the star Pokémon and can be captured before the E4...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, the regional Pokédex numeration is not so determinant IMO. They could also enlarge the Sinnoh Pokédex for the third version specifically. Since the regional Pokédex is a game-specific feature and not a file-specific feature, it's possible. Emerald took place after Ruby & Sapphire chronologically, so maybe they'll expand the Sinnoh Pokédex months/years later. Maybe the Spring Path will open right after you catch Dialga and Palkia and before you become the champion. Let Oak give you the National Pokédex when you meet every Pokémon plus Giratina. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that has never EVER happened before in one of the sister games. And I just had a horrible thought. Since I saw Suicune as Crystal's mascot, the next game's mastcot could be Mesprit...Okay, that gives us FIVE Pokémon...*sigh* [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:What thing never happened? ^_^' And yeah, Mesprit is like a Generation IV Suicune. With the exception that the choice of Suicune only happened in the third version (not Gold and Silver), while the peculiarities of Mesprit exist since the first two versions, before Opal. Also Ho-Oh and Lugia didn't have a Rayquaza/Giratina in their generation. Dialga rules time, Palkia rules space, and maybe Giratina rules the whole reality and is the ultimate goal of Cyrus or something. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::They have NEVER enlarged the Pokédex before...Giratina rules the underworld, maybe Cyrus want to bring back Pokémon from the dead...It's just a thought...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== A Quartet??? ==

Just thoght I should point out that Phione, Manaphy, Heatran and Shaymin all seem to complement eachother. Could it be that they are the 1st Legendary Quartet?
:No. I have NO idea how Heatran is related to them. AT ALL. Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy all fit in the Cute category. Heatran goes in the 'I HAVE NO IDEA D8' category. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Phione is far weaker, and Heatran has higher base stats. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stats aside, they each represent one domains of the legendaries. Fire, Water, and Grass. Although it ''is'' a bit of a stretch, I am not talking about their relative stats, I'm talking about Pokémon Mythos. They have played a large role in shaping the world.
:But still. NONE of them have to do with the land. This is a random thought to just give an excuse to categorize (Not the Wiki Way!) the last legends that don't fit. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 22:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Manaphy is the 'Prince of the Sea' Shaymin causes Land to flourish, and creates a cleaner sky, and Heatran dwells in a volcano, hence land

There already is a quartet. Have you forgotten the four legendary golems? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 05:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:Have you forgotten that they have a leader (Regigigas)? So they are a trio with one leader. '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:38 4 May 2008'''''

==How many?==

How many legendary pokemons are actually are there? I mean are they one of a kind or theres more of them?? [[User:MAXDude17|MAXDude]]
:They're only one of a kind in the games (although I think that can easily be explained as "you'll probably never see such a rare Pokémon more than once). In other media (anime, manga, etc.) there's often more than one because - let's face it - it's improbable that these Pokémon wouldn't be extinct by now without a way to procreate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you may CATCH only one, but that doesn't mean that they ARE one-of-a-kind. I mean, even the Games imply that there are multitudes of legendaries, considering how Entei's Pokedex entry said that a new one is born at the same time a Volcano erupts (though pokedex entries are debatable), Brandon has all of the regis (as well as all of the three birds on gold symbol level), The Legendary Beasts were found in Orre, Fiore, and even KANTO (the last one couldn't have been the burnt tower beasts since they were still asleep by that time.), in addition to Johto, the Lati@'s Pokedex articles stated that there was more than one Lati@s, the 3 Birds were seen in Kanto and Orre, Lugia was sighted in Orre, Kanto and Johto. The same applies to Ho-Oh (though, unlike Lugia, it was never a shadow pokemon.), Celebi was seen in Orre, Fiore, and Johto (sort of), Mew was seen on mysterious Island, pokemon Island, Kanto, And Fiore, Manaphy (as well as Phione) were implied to have many in their species due to both of them being introduced as eggs, Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre were all seen in both Hoenn and Fiore, and Palmer had Regigigas, Cresselia, and Heatran on his team in the second battle against him, despite the fact that Regigigas, Heatran, and Cresselia are most likely still at their places. I mean, the Only legendary pokemon that is explicitly stated to be one of a Kind (Or at least haven't had another of their species appear in the Main Pokeverse yet.) are Mewtwo (Mystery Dungeon doesn't count.), Darkrai (the upcoming Mystery dungeon sequel doesn't count), Sheimi, and Arceus.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I don't think a legendary pokemon has to be strictly native to one region, I see nothing significant about Ho-Oh appearing in both Johto and Orre. There are definitly more then one member of legendary pokemon species, except for special cases like Palkia and such. At the same time, I don't think the fact that Palmer had legendary pokemon is significant, since most games give legendary pokemon to the last enemy trainer at the end of particular modes. (Mt. Battle, Battle Tower, Poketopia, etc.) [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, in regards to certain pokemon not being strictly native to one region, While that is technically true, there are holes that need to be explained. ONE, if you capture Ho-Oh in, oh, the Sevii Islands, for example, How is it able to reappear in Johto 3 years later? TWO, How can the 3 dogs be running around Kanto if they are supposed to be asleep in the Burnt Tower for another 3 years? In regards to Palkia and Dialga, let's just wait and see. Hey, we thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were unique as well just because they were viewed as gods, and yet, they reappeared in Fiore, despite their being captured by the protagonist, which hints at their being an entire species (plus, they hinted that Kyogre and Groudon got into a scuffle when you find kyogre (it mentions a wound), and while they DID scuffle in Emerald, it wasn't even much of a scuffle since they were just standing there, and in the FMV depicting Rayquaza's arrival, neither of them had anything that hinted at a wound. Oh, and Dialga and Palkia are pokemon in Pokemon Ranger Batonnage (in extra missions, but still), and taking into account that Palkia or Dialga (depending on whether it's Pearl/Diamond) were most likely captured by the Protagonist, I think it's DEFINITELY certain that these are a different Dialga and Palkia.

Also, in regards to pokemon that haven't appeared in other games yet, I'd better change it to Mewtwo and Arceus, since Darkrai is going to be the main pokemon target in [[Pokemon Ranger Batonnage]]
and Sheimi is ALSO a pokemon that's capturable in Batonnage (I think this is the first event Pokemon since the Mew glitch to be introduced in a game BEFORE it's movie came out.)

[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

:Side games shouldn't be taken in the same context IMO. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 12:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, quite a FEW "side games" are actually more like main games since they tie in with the Main Games quite a bit. In the Colosseum games, the first one had an event that was the only way to legitimately get Celebi into the 3rd gen games/remakes, and since XD was a sequel to the first game, that ALSO ties in as well (Plus, it's also the only OTHER way to get Lugia into the 3rd gen games if you missed the event for Navel Rock). Plus, the first ranger game makes direct references to the main games, AND it's the only way to get Manaphy into Diamond and Pearl, and with Batonnage, That also gives direct linkage to D/P (Also, if you were one of the people who didn't get Darkrai in the original airing of the 10th movie, this is also the only OTHER way to get Darkrai into the D/P games.). the only games that should actually be considered Side Games are [[Pokemon Channel]] (The Jirachi event doesn't count, since it was exclusively in Europe), the Stadium Games, Pokemon Snap (sort of) and the Mystery Dungeon games.

::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, no, I got Manaphy via Mystery Gift downloading. Anything that isn't one of the Game Boy/DS games is pretty much a side game, of secondary importance. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 12:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

::::Well, even Still, it was one of the only ways to get Manaphy into Diamond and Pearl. Besides, technically, the transfer of Manaphy from Pokemon Ranger/Batonnage to Pokemon Diamond and Pearl is a Mystery gift download as well, since you need the Mystery gift option to be unlocked BEFORE you can transfer Manaphy from Ranger/Batonnage to your D/P pack. Besides, I consider ANYTHING that has direct linkage to the main Gameboy/DS games (either it's one of the few ways [if not the only way] to acquire a pokemon or exclusive item, it references the games explicitly, or it has logical ties to the Pokemon main games, or all of the above {or most of the above}) to be part of the Main Games. I mean, should we consider Manaphy a non-canon pokemon, then? I mean, It DEBUTED in what you called a "spin-off", so under that sense, it isn't canon.

::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::There is a difference between being canon and being a main game. I consider a number of side games canon, most notably the Ranger games. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 14:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Another Giratina Comment ==

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of? I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.

Palkia and Dialga spend most of their time in that other demension, and since Giratina has the same base stats as them, I believe it can be safely said that he is super-powered, no matter how you look at it. [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

What's with the trivia? ONLY Celebi and Dialga have big similarities with time travel and time control? What about Deoxys and Palkia? Space travel and space control? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 22:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:When are people going to understand that the concept of "space" (as in "spatial relations") is a very different concept from "outer space"?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::Meaning: Palkia is the guy who controls volume/space. Deoxys is the guy FROM outer space. See? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:24 28 May 2008'''''
:::Yeah, what Optimus said! [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 05:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Which means you're wrong, Yin Yang. >.> '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:58 29 May 2008'''''

Talk:Lucario (Pokémon)

2008-03-26T23:58:39Z

Kirby3003:

===Gender?===
Well, since the link won't work...one of the new scans has Lucario as being a male Pokemon. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 17:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

===Lucario? Rukario?===

I see most places refering to this Pokémon as "Rukario", but we're calling it Lucario. Anyone explain the name differences?

Hepburn Romaji has Rukario. The [http://www1.ipdl.ncipi.go.jp/TM0/TM1/0502/220041035610000000000000000000000000000000_TM_simple.html trademark filings] and logical thinking (what's Rukario backwards? Orikaru - '''Oracle''') have Lucario. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 10:49, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey now that we got the full imaqge up at BMG of Rukario..why don't we upload it here? I'd do it but I don't know how to show an image on here.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 14:59, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Also, if you figure that Rugia -> Lugia, Ratiosu -> Latios, Ratiosu -> Latias, and even Deoxys, chances are Lucario will be the English name. But I fall back on "Lucario" being the spelling applied for trademark. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

===Wave-Guiding?===
Where does this "wave-guiding" species come from? Since day one, I've been translating its species as "Pulse" or "Surge". Is there something I've been missing? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I think this is another blame Serebii.net moment, probably. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

It has to do with the kanji. Hadou (波動) is indeed "pulse" or "surge" (literally "wave movement"), but the title of the movie, which we assume uses the same word as Rukario's species, has 波導, which is not a word, and the second kanji of which means "guide" or "lead". - [[User:Murgatroyd|Murgatroyd]] 00:00, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Could Lucario be an evolution of Marowak? I know it may seem nuts as it isn't ground, but maybe this is what an unmasked Marowak looks like. They both center around death, have Bone Rush, and have the same general body shape (though Lucario is snazzier with spikes and all.)
--[[User:123456789|123456789]]

It '''is''' nuts! It's more ridiculuos than the theory of {{p|Lotad}}'s lily pad unfolding to reveal a a dinosaur-like head.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 10:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

===Just pick a name and stick with it===
Please stop switching the attack name back and forth from 'Feint' to 'Faint'. It's going nowhere - I would encourage that this issue be discussed, rather than people editing back and forth between the two forever. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 13:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's definitely Feint. It's obvious from the attack description. Just because [[Faint Attack]] (which I firmly believe is a misspelling on the part of NoA, the Japanese means ''surprise attack'' or ''sneak attack'', ''feint'' is a better fit than ''faint'') exists and is similar... - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 13:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::''Faint'' Attack always confused me. I knew the description of the attack was like ''feint'', but the word ''faint'' unconsciously makes me think the attacking Pokémon fakes passing out to trick the opponent. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 16:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I always figured it had something to do with the Pokémon vanishing into the shadows, as it seems to do in the animation - basically, its image becomes faint. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but the attack description on that says, "Draws the foe close, then strikes without fail.", so I really have no idea what the animation is supposed to mean. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 06:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], the animation for Faint Attack is merely {{m|Double Team}} plus the user's taunt pose.

== Smash Video ==

Here is a video that I found. I think it's real. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZh2oWZacm4 [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 00:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:...Chyea it's real!{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 00:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::Cool, it looks like it's Final Smash is an [[Aura]] Blast or something....and yea, it's real. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 01:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it is Hyper Beam. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, it was defiently something that had to do with [[Aura]]. {{:User:Theryguy512/Sig}} 01:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::His final Smash is called Flash Cannon, information received from The Super Mario Wiki{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

B = Aura spire, side B Extreme Speed, Up B High Jump Kick, Down B = Counter and FS = Flash Cannon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 02:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl#Characters here]{{:User:Pokemaniac102/Sig}} 02:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No it has too be Aura Spire. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 04:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:Internal data calls it "Wavestorm" and the trophy description confirms that it uses aura. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Better then Hyper beam. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 01:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

== A possible mistake. ==

"This makes it the first non-legendary Pokémon to be in a central role in a Pokémon movie."

If I'm not mistaken, weren't the Unown the central focus of the third movie? I could be wrong about that, so I didn't make any alterations to the line I quoted. [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 09:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:Nah, Entei was. Though... eh, you do have us with that one. I think it's pretty much that before LMM came out everyone figured Lucario was legendary, but with P3 everyone was like "Oh, Entei, we know that's legendary and Unown's that piece of crap that comes in 26 flavors." '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 09:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::It was a co-central role, and so was Unown so...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:35 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

== Rechanging something in Trivia ==

It says in the Trivia that "Lucario is the first Fighting-type Pokémon to be a fighter in the Super Smash Bros. series." But isn't it also the first Steel-Type pokemon that's a fighter in Super Smash Bros.?

== Aura Sphere Contradiction ==

Why is it that aura sphere is never surpose to miss in the Pokemon games but can easily miss in Brawl? Even Lucario's trophy says it never misses.

Talk:Lucario (Pokémon)

2008-03-26T23:56:55Z

Kirby3003: New section: Aura Sphere Contradiction

Talk:Lucario (Pokémon)

2008-03-26T23:56:43Z

Kirby3003: New section: Aura Sphere Contradiction

Talk:Lucario (Pokémon)

2008-03-26T23:55:23Z

Kirby3003: New section: Aura Sphere Contradiction

Talk:Individual values

2008-01-21T21:16:13Z

Kirby3003: /* Determining IVs */

== 31 In Everything ==

is it possible without hacking? I don't know the answer, but i think whoever can should put it on the page.[[User:GreenAiden555|GreenAiden555]] 05:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:Possible, not probable. Keep hatching and catching Pokémon, you'll eventually get two with the same IVs, too. Of course, now with the personality value... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

== DV? ==

What does it stand for?[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 10:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Difference Value? [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|TESH]][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|TALK]][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]][[User:Tesh/Sandbox|SAND]] 19:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:Determinant value. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::Ohhhhhhhhhhh...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 10:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

== Determining IVs ==

* How do you determine what a pokemon's IV are so that you can calculate it?
:Veekun's got a calculator that determines them from the Pokémon's stats. There's a link to it at the bottom of the page. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 04:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

*Thanx a lot TTE. How do you know everything that goes on on this website?

Double Battle

2008-01-21T20:59:35Z

Kirby3003: Undo revision 284441 by Sketchies (Talk)

A '''double battle''', also known a a '''2-on-2 battle''' or '''tag battle''', is a [[Pokémon battle]] featuring up to four [[Pokémon]] actively participating at once.

Each Pokémon is part of a duo, meaning that the battle takes place between two teams of two. The number of [[Pokémon trainer]]s participating in the battle can be two - in which each trainer uses two Pokémon, three - in which a pair of trainers each using a single Pokémon face off against a trainer using two, or four trainers - with each trainer using a single Pokémon.

Double battles were introduced into the [[Pokémon games]] in [[Generation III]]. However, the idea had been presented in the [[Pokémon anime]] and the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga long before that.

==Pokémon pairs often used in double battles==
*Two of the exact same Pokémon
*A Pokémon and its evolved or pre-evolved form
*Two Pokémon of the same type
*A Pokémon with high Attack and a Pokémon with high Defense.
*A Pokémon vulnerable to {{type2|Electric}} attacks and a Pokémon with the {{a|Lightningrod}} ability.
*A Pokémon vulnerable to {{type2|Water}} attacks and a Pokémon with the {{a|Storm Drain}} ability.
*A Pokémon with the move {{m|Earthquake}} and a Pokémon with the {{a|Levitate}} ability or a {{type2|Flying}} Pokémon.
*Any two [[Starter Pokémon]]
*{{p|Pikachu}} with a Pikachu-like Pokémon ({{p|Plusle}}, {{p|Minun}}, {{p|Marill}}, and {{p|Pachirisu}})
*{{p|Butterfree}} and {{p|Beedrill}}
*{{p|Pidgeot}}, {{p|Noctowl}}, {{p|Swellow}}, and/or {{p|Staraptor}}
*{{p|Nidoqueen}} and {{p|Nidoking}}
*{{p|Clefairy}}/{{p|Clefable}} and {{p|Jigglypuff}}/{{p|Wigglytuff}}
*{{p|Vileplume}} and {{p|Victreebel}}
*{{p|Arcanine}}, {{p|Ninetales}} and/or {{p|Rapidash}}
*{{p|Alakazam}} with {{p|Machamp}} and/or {{p|Gengar}}
*{{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, and/or {{p|Hitmontop}}
*{{p|Arbok}} and {{p|Weezing}}
*{{p|Ditto}} with another Pokémon
*{{p|Magmar}}/{{p|Magmortar}} and {{p|Electabuzz}}/{{p|Electivire}}
*{{p|Pinsir}} and {{p|Heracross}}
*{{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Milotic}}
*Rarely; {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Feebas}}
*{{p|Tauros}} and {{p|Miltank}}
*Any combination of {{p|Eevee}}'s Evolutions, usually {{p|Vaporeon}}, {{p|Jolteon}}, and/or {{p|Flareon}}, {{p|Umbreon}} and {{p|Espeon}}, or {{p|Leafeon}} and {{p|Glaceon}}
*{{p|Omastar}} and {{p|Kabutops}}
*{{p|Dragonite}}, {{p|Tyranitar}}, {{p|Salamence}}, {{p|Metagross}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Flygon}}, and/or {{p|Garchomp}}
*{{p|Bellossom}} with {{p|Vileplume}} and/or {{p|Sunflora}}
*{{p|Quagsire}} and {{p|Whiscash}}
*{{p|Beautifly}} with {{p|Dustox}} or {{p|Butterfree}}
*{{p|Ludicolo}} and {{p|Shiftry}}
*{{p|Plusle}} and {{p|Minun}}
*{{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}}
*{{p|Zangoose}} and {{p|Seviper}}
*{{p|Lunatone}} and {{p|Solrock}}
*{{p|Cradily}} and {{p|Armaldo}}
*{{p|Banette}} and {{p|Dusclops}}/{{p|Dusknoir}}
*{{p|Glalie}} and {{p|Froslass}}
*{{p|Huntail}} and {{p|Gorebyss}}
*{{p|Rampardos}} and {{p|Bastiodon}}
*{{p|Bonsly}}/{{p|Sudowoodo}} and {{p|Mime Jr.}}/{{p|Mr. Mime}}
*{{p|Gallade}} and {{p|Gardevoir}}

===Legendary Pairs often used in Double Battles===
*Two of [[Kanto]]'s [[legendary birds]]
*Two of [[Johto]]'s [[legendary beasts]]
*Two of [[Hoenn]]'s [[legendary golems]] and/or {{p|Regigigas}}
*Two of [[Sinnoh]]'s [[lake trio]]
*Two of [[weather trio|Hoenn's trio]] of [[weather conditions|weather]] ({{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}})
*{{p|Groudon}} with {{p|Cherrim}}, {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon, and other Pokémon that benefit from sunlight.
*{{p|Kyogre}} with {{p|Ludicolo}}, {{type2|Water}} Pokémon, and other Pokémon that benefit from rain
*{{p|Deoxys}} with another {{p|Deoxys}} of a different form.
*Two of the cute [[Legendary Pokémon]]
*{{p|Mew}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}
*{{p|Latios}} and {{p|Latias}}
*{{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, sometimes grouped with {{p|Giratina}}, {{p|Heatran}}, and {{p|Arceus}}
*{{p|Darkrai}} with {{p|Cresselia}} or a Pokémon whose attacks are geared towards sleeping Pokémon.

==Effects on moves==
Many different [[move]]s are made especially for double battles, such as {{m|Helping Hand}}. Some others, such as {{m|Surf}}, can have noticeably different effects. Below is a list of moves which act differently in double battles. Unlisted moves act the same as in normal single battles.

===May be used on user or partner===
*{{m|Acid Armor}}
*{{m|Agility}}
*{{m|Amnesia}}
*{{m|Aromatherapy}}
*{{m|Barrier}}
*{{m|Baton Pass}}
*{{m|Belly Drum}}
*{{m|Bide}}
*{{m|Bulk Up}}
*{{m|Calm Mind}}
*{{m|Camouflage}}
*{{m|Charge}}
*{{m|Conversion}}
*{{m|Conversion2}}
*{{m|Cosmic Power}}
*{{m|Defense Curl}}
*{{m|Destiny Bond}}
*{{m|Detect}}
*{{m|Double Team}}
*{{m|Dragon Dance}}
*{{m|Endure}}
*{{m|Focus Energy}}
*{{m|Follow Me}}
*{{m|Growth}}
*{{m|Grudge}}
*{{m|Hail}}
*{{m|Harden}}
*{{m|Haze}}
*{{m|Heal Bell}}
*{{m|Helping Hand}}
*{{m|Howl}}
*{{m|Imprison}}
*{{m|Ingrain}}
*{{m|Iron Defense}}
*{{m|Light Screen}}
*{{m|Meditate}}
*{{m|Milk Drink}}
*{{m|Minimize}}
*{{m|Mist}}
*{{m|Moonlight}}
*{{m|Morning Sun}}
*{{m|Mud Sport}}
*{{m|Perish Song}}
*{{m|Protect}}
*{{m|Rain Dance}}
*{{m|Recover}}
*{{m|Recycle}}
*{{m|Reflect}}
*{{m|Refresh}}
*{{m|Rest}}
*{{m|Safeguard}}
*{{m|Sandstorm}}
*{{m|Sharpen}}
*{{m|Slack Off}}
*{{m|Softboiled}}
*{{m|Splash}}
*{{m|Stockpile}}
*{{m|Substitute}}
*{{m|Sunny Day}}
*{{m|Swallow}}
*{{m|Swords Dance}}
*{{m|Synthesis}}
*{{m|Tail Glow}}
*{{m|Teleport}}
*{{m|Water Sport}}
*{{m|Wish}}
*{{m|Withdraw}}

===Target depends on status of battle===
*{{m|Assist}}
*{{m|Counter}}
*{{m|Magic Coat}}
*{{m|Metronome}}
*{{m|Mirror Coat}}
*{{m|Mirror Move}}
*{{m|Nature Power}}
*{{m|Sleep Talk}}
*{{m|Snatch}}

===May hit either opponent===
*{{m|Thrash}}
*{{m|Petal Dance}}
*{{m|Outrage}}
*{{m|Uproar}}

===Hits both opponents===
*{{m|Acid}}
*{{m|Air Cutter}}
*{{m|Blizzard}}
*{{m|Bubble}}
*{{m|Eruption}}
*{{m|Growl}}
*{{m|Heat Wave}}
*{{m|Hyper Voice}}
*{{m|Icy Wind}}
*{{m|Leer}}
*{{m|Muddy Water}}
*{{m|Powder Snow}}
*{{m|Razor Leaf}}
*{{m|Razor Wind}}
*{{m|Rock Slide}}
*{{m|Surf}}
*{{m|String Shot}}
*{{m|Sweet Scent}}
*{{m|Swift}}
*{{m|Tail Whip}}
*{{m|Twister}}
*{{m|Water Spout}}

===Hits both opponents and partner===
*{{m|Earthquake}}
*{{m|Explosion}}
*{{m|Magnitude}}
*{{m|Selfdestruct}}
*{{m|Teeter Dance}}
*{{m|Surf}} ([[Generation IV]])
*{{m|Lava Plume}}

===Affects all Pokémon in battle===
*{{m|Spikes}}

==Effects on abilities==
Many [[abilities]], such as Plus, are also adapted especially for double battles. Below is a list of abilities geared towards double battles:

*{{a|Plus}}
*{{a|Minus}}
*{{a|Lightningrod}}
*{{a|Storm Drain}}

==In the anime==
The first official double battle occured in ''[[EP108|Pokémon Double Trouble]]''. In order to win the [[Badge#Jade Star Badge|Jade Star Badge]], Ash had to defeat [[Luana]]'s {{p|Marowak}} and {{p|Alakazam}} in a double battle. While [[Ash's Pikachu]] and [[Ash's Charizard|Charizard]] were initially unwilling to cooperate, they eventually overcame it to win the battle.

After the release of Ruby and Sapphire, double battles were seen in the anime more often. The first took place in ''[[AG014|All in a Day's Wurmple]]''. [[Forrester Franklin]] introduced the concept to Ash and they had a battle that Ash won. As in the games, Ash's Gym Battle against [[Tate and Liza]] was a double battle. The Double Battle style has been used in contests; more specifically, all four battle rounds of the Grand Festival. Additionally, in order to qualify for the finals of the [[Ever Grande Conference]], competitors must win three double battles in the preliminaries. Double battles also appeared in the seventh movie, ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]''.

''[[AG072|The Bicker the Better]]'', ''[[AG176|Grating Spaces]]'' and ''[[DP029|The Champ Twins!]]'' all featured tag battles; double battles with two trainers on each side.

While not counting as official battles, battles with Team Rocket are usually two-on-two, as has been the case since ''[[EP003|Ash Catches a Pokémon]]''. In that episode, Ash complained that it was against the rules. Perhaps to account for this, Forrester stated that double battles are accepted under [[Hoenn]]'s official Pokémon league rules.

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[de:Doppelkampf]]

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1

2008-01-21T03:08:28Z

Kirby3003: /* Problem */

Even in the anime, are Entei, Raikou, and Suicune ever thought of as gods? I thought they were spirits or embodiments of their elements.

Is Mewtwo really a Legendary? It's even less related to being a God than Raikou, Entei and Suicune, as it's just a mutant created in a laboratory. Also, in the Symphonic Medley Opening, you don't see Mewtwo coupling with the other Legendaries. Perhaps this article should be made more precise, telling the reader that Mewtwo isn't really a Legendary, but often is mentioned as a Legendary, as it has legendary powers (from mew)? What do you think? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 21:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's safe to assume that Mewtwo is a legendary, but a note might be added about that. Also, how do you say legendary in Japanese? More curious than anything, it doesn't have to be added to the page -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

The question is whether ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'' are exclusive categories. Are there any Pokémon which are ''maboroshi'' and in ''densetsu''? Some of the ''maboroshi'' Pokémon are present in ''densetsu'', such as Lugia (although a veiled reference); [[Latios]] and [[Latias]] are featured in ''densetsu'', but their species is ''mugen Pokémon'' - perhaps a roundabout self-reference to the nature of legendary Pokémon - but English species name ''Eon'' suggests a pun between 無限 (infinite) and 夢幻 (fantasy) rather than that. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:16, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realy wonder If any trainer ever captured (or already captured) an densetsu or maboroshi? (exept Giovanni he owned mewto for a limited time)

Mewtwo is more of the ''maboroshi'' than the ''densetsu''. Determining weither or not it's 'densetsu' or not depends on which canon we use. In the Anime, the Kanto Bird Trio certainly is ''densetsu'', but in the games, they are barely mentioned, except by a few Bird Keepers.
Should the message at the bottom about the Regis have info added to include Regigigas or not? I believe that it is the sealed Pokemon that the caves in Hoenn warn about. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 15:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Interesting. I always assumed it referred to all three Gen III Regis but in the light of Diamond and Pearl that is a good possibility. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 23:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting point is that DP itself uses the terms ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'', and this is translated into English as ''mirage'' and ''legendary'', respectively. It also seems to suggest that ''maboroshi'' is a subset of ''densetsu''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Regarding this, should we mention which categories each Legendary falls under? If there's a list somewhere in Japanese? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

----

I think that the [[Sinnoh Myths]] article should be merged with this one, or else the entire section on "Myths and Legends involving Legendary Pokémon" might need to be its own article (perhaps called something like "Myths and Legends of the Pokémon World" so it has greater scope?) with the Sinnoh Myths part of that. Just an idea, because I saw that it's a featured article candidate now, and the myths section looks sort of subpar. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

----

I think that Unown should defiantly be considered a lengendary. --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Like Arcanine, I suppose it could be considered as having legendary characteristics, but really, it's not legendary. Legendaries are pretty much completely defined by the fact that they are one-per-game Pokémon that are not able to breed and produce offspring that either is or can become the same species. And, of course, how many Unown can you get? A lot. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Solaceon Ruins? ==

Should a translation of the Unown runes there be on this page? --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== What about Absol? ==

Sometimes, aren't absol considered legendary?

:No. I've never heard of Absol being legendary, and I know a lot about Absol. :S [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think they're ever considered legendary. They have appeared close to legendaries, because Absol are disaster-sensing Pokémon, and there are no bigger disasters than those caused by legendaries and their interaction with nature ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Giratina ==

Since when was Giratina confirmed to have been created from Arceus? And even more pertinent, since when have Cresscelia and Darkrai been said to have been created from Giratina? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:According to the games, Arceus is the "Original One." This would mean that everything in the Pokémon world was either created by Arceus or by another Pokémon that was created by Arceus, or another Pokémon that was created by a Pokémon that was created by Arceus, and so on. Giratina is clearly too powerful to have been created by Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, or Palkia, so by a process of elimination, Giratina was created by Arceus. Also, [[Dragon trio|this article]] wouldn't be on Bulbapedia if Giratina wasn't recognized by everyone as being created by Arceus (I didn't start the article). Now, as for why Cresselia and Darkrai were created by Giraina. First, they were nowhere near powerful enough to be straight from Arceus. Therefore, they must either be from Dialga and Palkia, Giratina, or Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Due to the fact that they essentially have nothing to do with time and space, they would have to be created by either Giratina or the Lake Trio. Since there is no mention of Cresselia or Darkrai in the legends in the Canalave Library (Giratina isn't mentioned because it was unknown), they can't have been made by the Lake Trio either. Therefore, by a process of elimination, Giratina created Cresselia and Darkrai. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's nothing but original research. None of us get the right to say something isn't "powerful enough" to be created by Arceus. Unless Game Freak/Tajiri/etc. announce any of that, you can't treat it as fact.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That is entirely all speculation on your part. I'm surprised you didn't try to shove all the other Legendaries into that absurd "family tree". So did Kyogre give birth to Manaphy or did Lugia mate with Latias? *rolls eyes* And that article you linked to is about ''fan terminology'', so that isn't confirming it as fact. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That article I linked to says that Giratina is on an equal level (power-wise, not in-game level-wise) as Dialga and Palkia. And I didn't add the other legendaries because they, unlike Giratina, Darkrai, and Cresselia, have '''no''' proof of their relationships with other legendary Pokémon. If I was going to add an "absurd family tree" as you called it, I would have added [[User:Shiny Noctowl#The legendaries|this]] (some of the sub-relationships ''are'' confirmed, but their relationships with Gen IV haven't been confirmed yet, so I couldn't add them). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::: No, the article you linked to just said that "The Dragon trio is a term used to refer to Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia". It doesn't say anything about these mysterious "power levels" that seem to only exist in your mind, nor that the three all came from Arceus anymore than Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza do. Nor does it say anything about Darkrai and Cresselia being siblings or Giratina being their mother. This is entirely fanwank speculation on your part. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::By "power levels," I just meant that they are equally powerful. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is based on stats. Look:

'''Giratina'''

HP: 150

Attack: 100

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 100

SpDef: 120

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Dialga'''

HP: 100

Attack: 120

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 100

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Palkia'''

HP: 90

Attack: 120

Defense: 100

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 120

Speed: 100

Total: 680

Not only do they all have the same total base stats (680) but they have the same distributions (one 150, two 120s, two 100, and one 90). This clearly shows that they are a trio. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed something kind of awkward about Palkia. You know it's in-game base HP, 90. Now look at a card scan of Palkia from the Diamond & Pearl TCG set. If you notice, they have the ''exacly the same HP''. Take an example from Shednga. In-game-1-TCG-''up to 50''.-[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[Image:Ani201MS.gif]] 9:40 p.m., 10 October 2007 (CT)

''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings. Fan assumptions do not count. '''End of story.''' --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Every single legendary trio has the same total base stats with the same distributions between stats. Therefore, my argument is valid until you can find three unrelated Pokémon that have the same base stat total with the same distribution. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please get it through your head that ''stats have no effect on Pokemon background or flavor information''. Second of all, easily done. Shaymin. Manaphy. Mew. Jirachi. Celebi. I guess they all come from some unnamed "mother" Pokemon as well, right? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I said ''unrelated'' Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:And you first said:
Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything.
:But then completely reversed it and said:
''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings.
:First you say that base stats are important and Pokédex entries aren't important, and then you say that base stats aren't important and Pokédex entries '''are''' important. Which is it? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think a more sound argument will note that all of the highest-powered legendaries of a generation typically have their stats sum to 680, as Mewtwo does, too. That doesn't imply lineage, directly anyway. Also, your argument that power doesn't increase down an "evolutionary" or other chain is disproven by Mewtwo, who is significantly more "powerful" than Mew in every canonical respect save learnset. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Okay. About Giratina and everything. Go compare Dialga, Palkia and Giratina's stats and level-up moves.
:Stats: 150 (1), 120 (2), 100 (2), 90 (1).
:Moves in common - Scary Face and DragonBreath at L:1.
:STAB move at 10.
:AncientPower at 20.
:Dragon Claw at 30.
:Signature move at 40.
:Heal Block at 50.
:Earth Power at 60.
:Slash at 70. (I say wtc at this one. Why Slash?!)
:Powerful STAB move at 80.
:Aura Sphere at 90.
:(Note that the ONLY differences between the movepools between the movepools is the STAB moves, and the signature moves. Coincidental? I think not.) [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 16:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that they're related. And Giratina will be the third version mascot. However, that's a conclusion and not a fact. Still, I don't get why doesn't Giratina appear in the article anymore. Did it start a Shadow Force? If the trouble is because of classifying it as a "legendary dragon", then let's just place Giratina next to Regigigas and the others, and mention its possible relation to Dialga and Palkia while the third version doesn't appear. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:You say "It's obvious they're related." So it should be added back into the article.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center"| [[Legendary trio]] || align="center"| [[Dragon trio|Existence trio]] || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

hey, i did this! by the way, giratina IS PART OF THIS TRIO. just wait till pokemon opal comes out. you'll see. there is a website if you don't believe in me: [http://PokemonOpal.com]. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm............... that link just goes to the nintendo website..........It has nothing about girantina! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT! but it's strange anyway. you can see a better description here: [http://www.pokebeach.com/?start_from=70&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&]. scroll down until you see Sunday - May 6th, 2007. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 23:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The guy said it was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 23:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

no, he said that someone made it up and THAT was an April fools joke. still, the website still exists. And the registrant of that site (which likns to nintendo) is nintendo! think whatever you want, dude, but ever since i read this, it got stuck on my head. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 11:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:The fact that Nintendo that domain name certainly is suspicious. However, Nintendo has also filed a bunch of weird trademarks like "Pokémon Amethyst," and we shouldn't think about a website redirect so hard. It may mean absolutely nothing; for example, J.K. Rowling has a history of filing trademarks for fake Harry Potter titles.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Yep, there's a problem with Giratina being part of the Dragon Trio...Guess what? It is '''not''' in the Sinnoh Pokédex! Looking at the before Sister games, you can conclude that the region's Pokédex stays the same until the defeat of the Elite Four. So, in conclusion, Giratina will NOT be in the main storyline of the sister game of Diamond and Pearl. In other words, The only Legendaries left to be the next game's mascot are the Lake Trio and Manaphy! Big Problem, right? At least Rayquaza '''and''' Suicune were in their region Pokédexes! The likeliness of a sister game to DP is low, very low...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nintendo will probably come up with a way around it. Maybe the main storyline happens '''after''' you become the Champion. Or maybe, the main storyline happens before you become the Champion, but you don't get to actually catch Giratina until after you become the Champion. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Most game event take place before the elite four and the star Pokémon is usually obtainable before the elite four anyway (I used a master ball on the Rayquaza) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Forgetting that {{p|Rayquaza}} was only obtainable after the E4? Yes, it was in Hoenn Dex.. but even then, you CAN get Pokémon not in Sinnoh Dex - for example, I did have 100 {{p|Eevee}} before the Elite Four - I just couldn't view their dex data or number. So um.. yeah, I still think it's possible ^^; I think you got Rayquaza before the E4 in {{pkmn|Emerald}}, though I'm not sure because I haven't got to that point yet. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, yeah. I was talking bout Emerald. And it's true, Rayquaza is the star Pokémon and can be captured before the E4...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, the regional Pokédex numeration is not so determinant IMO. They could also enlarge the Sinnoh Pokédex for the third version specifically. Since the regional Pokédex is a game-specific feature and not a file-specific feature, it's possible. Emerald took place after Ruby & Sapphire chronologically, so maybe they'll expand the Sinnoh Pokédex months/years later. Maybe the Spring Path will open right after you catch Dialga and Palkia and before you become the champion. Let Oak give you the National Pokédex when you meet every Pokémon plus Giratina. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that has never EVER happened before in one of the sister games. And I just had a horrible thought. Since I saw Suicune as Crystal's mascot, the next game's mastcot could be Mesprit...Okay, that gives us FIVE Pokémon...*sigh* [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:What thing never happened? ^_^' And yeah, Mesprit is like a Generation IV Suicune. With the exception that the choice of Suicune only happened in the third version (not Gold and Silver), while the peculiarities of Mesprit exist since the first two versions, before Opal. Also Ho-Oh and Lugia didn't have a Rayquaza/Giratina in their generation. Dialga rules time, Palkia rules space, and maybe Giratina rules the whole reality and is the ultimate goal of Cyrus or something. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::They have NEVER enlarged the Pokédex before...Giratina rules the underworld, maybe Cyrus want to bring back Pokémon from the dead...It's just a thought...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== A Quartet??? ==

Just thoght I should point out that Phione, Manaphy, Heatran and Shaymin all seem to complement eachother. Could it be that they are the 1st Legendary Quartet?
:No. I have NO idea how Heatran is related to them. AT ALL. Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy all fit in the Cute category. Heatran goes in the 'I HAVE NO IDEA D8' category. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Phione is far weaker, and Heatran has higher base stats. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stats aside, they each represent one domains of the legendaries. Fire, Water, and Grass. Although it ''is'' a bit of a stretch, I am not talking about their relative stats, I'm talking about Pokémon Mythos. They have played a large role in shaping the world.
:But still. NONE of them have to do with the land. This is a random thought to just give an excuse to categorize (Not the Wiki Way!) the last legends that don't fit. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 22:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Manaphy is the 'Prince of the Sea' Shaymin causes Land to flourish, and creates a cleaner sky, and Heatran dwells in a volcano, hence land

==How many?==

How many legendary pokemons are actually are there? I mean are they one of a kind or theres more of them?? [[User:MAXDude17|MAXDude]]
:They're only one of a kind in the games (although I think that can easily be explained as "you'll probably never see such a rare Pokémon more than once). In other media (anime, manga, etc.) there's often more than one because - let's face it - it's improbable that these Pokémon wouldn't be extinct by now without a way to procreate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Another Giratina Comment ==

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of? I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.
:p.s. can you guys checkout the [[Double Battle|Double Battle]] page and look under the article I, [[User: Kirby 3003| kirby3003]], made, "Pokemon Pairs Often Used In Double Battles". I think some of the pairs I put don't make sense or are a little too fanny, if you know what I mean...

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1

2008-01-21T03:07:46Z

Kirby3003: New section: Another Giratina Comment

Even in the anime, are Entei, Raikou, and Suicune ever thought of as gods? I thought they were spirits or embodiments of their elements.

Is Mewtwo really a Legendary? It's even less related to being a God than Raikou, Entei and Suicune, as it's just a mutant created in a laboratory. Also, in the Symphonic Medley Opening, you don't see Mewtwo coupling with the other Legendaries. Perhaps this article should be made more precise, telling the reader that Mewtwo isn't really a Legendary, but often is mentioned as a Legendary, as it has legendary powers (from mew)? What do you think? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 21:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's safe to assume that Mewtwo is a legendary, but a note might be added about that. Also, how do you say legendary in Japanese? More curious than anything, it doesn't have to be added to the page -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

The question is whether ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'' are exclusive categories. Are there any Pokémon which are ''maboroshi'' and in ''densetsu''? Some of the ''maboroshi'' Pokémon are present in ''densetsu'', such as Lugia (although a veiled reference); [[Latios]] and [[Latias]] are featured in ''densetsu'', but their species is ''mugen Pokémon'' - perhaps a roundabout self-reference to the nature of legendary Pokémon - but English species name ''Eon'' suggests a pun between 無限 (infinite) and 夢幻 (fantasy) rather than that. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:16, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realy wonder If any trainer ever captured (or already captured) an densetsu or maboroshi? (exept Giovanni he owned mewto for a limited time)

Mewtwo is more of the ''maboroshi'' than the ''densetsu''. Determining weither or not it's 'densetsu' or not depends on which canon we use. In the Anime, the Kanto Bird Trio certainly is ''densetsu'', but in the games, they are barely mentioned, except by a few Bird Keepers.
Should the message at the bottom about the Regis have info added to include Regigigas or not? I believe that it is the sealed Pokemon that the caves in Hoenn warn about. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 15:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Interesting. I always assumed it referred to all three Gen III Regis but in the light of Diamond and Pearl that is a good possibility. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 23:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting point is that DP itself uses the terms ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'', and this is translated into English as ''mirage'' and ''legendary'', respectively. It also seems to suggest that ''maboroshi'' is a subset of ''densetsu''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Regarding this, should we mention which categories each Legendary falls under? If there's a list somewhere in Japanese? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

----

I think that the [[Sinnoh Myths]] article should be merged with this one, or else the entire section on "Myths and Legends involving Legendary Pokémon" might need to be its own article (perhaps called something like "Myths and Legends of the Pokémon World" so it has greater scope?) with the Sinnoh Myths part of that. Just an idea, because I saw that it's a featured article candidate now, and the myths section looks sort of subpar. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

----

I think that Unown should defiantly be considered a lengendary. --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Like Arcanine, I suppose it could be considered as having legendary characteristics, but really, it's not legendary. Legendaries are pretty much completely defined by the fact that they are one-per-game Pokémon that are not able to breed and produce offspring that either is or can become the same species. And, of course, how many Unown can you get? A lot. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Solaceon Ruins? ==

Should a translation of the Unown runes there be on this page? --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== What about Absol? ==

Sometimes, aren't absol considered legendary?

:No. I've never heard of Absol being legendary, and I know a lot about Absol. :S [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think they're ever considered legendary. They have appeared close to legendaries, because Absol are disaster-sensing Pokémon, and there are no bigger disasters than those caused by legendaries and their interaction with nature ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Giratina ==

Since when was Giratina confirmed to have been created from Arceus? And even more pertinent, since when have Cresscelia and Darkrai been said to have been created from Giratina? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:According to the games, Arceus is the "Original One." This would mean that everything in the Pokémon world was either created by Arceus or by another Pokémon that was created by Arceus, or another Pokémon that was created by a Pokémon that was created by Arceus, and so on. Giratina is clearly too powerful to have been created by Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, or Palkia, so by a process of elimination, Giratina was created by Arceus. Also, [[Dragon trio|this article]] wouldn't be on Bulbapedia if Giratina wasn't recognized by everyone as being created by Arceus (I didn't start the article). Now, as for why Cresselia and Darkrai were created by Giraina. First, they were nowhere near powerful enough to be straight from Arceus. Therefore, they must either be from Dialga and Palkia, Giratina, or Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Due to the fact that they essentially have nothing to do with time and space, they would have to be created by either Giratina or the Lake Trio. Since there is no mention of Cresselia or Darkrai in the legends in the Canalave Library (Giratina isn't mentioned because it was unknown), they can't have been made by the Lake Trio either. Therefore, by a process of elimination, Giratina created Cresselia and Darkrai. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's nothing but original research. None of us get the right to say something isn't "powerful enough" to be created by Arceus. Unless Game Freak/Tajiri/etc. announce any of that, you can't treat it as fact.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That is entirely all speculation on your part. I'm surprised you didn't try to shove all the other Legendaries into that absurd "family tree". So did Kyogre give birth to Manaphy or did Lugia mate with Latias? *rolls eyes* And that article you linked to is about ''fan terminology'', so that isn't confirming it as fact. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That article I linked to says that Giratina is on an equal level (power-wise, not in-game level-wise) as Dialga and Palkia. And I didn't add the other legendaries because they, unlike Giratina, Darkrai, and Cresselia, have '''no''' proof of their relationships with other legendary Pokémon. If I was going to add an "absurd family tree" as you called it, I would have added [[User:Shiny Noctowl#The legendaries|this]] (some of the sub-relationships ''are'' confirmed, but their relationships with Gen IV haven't been confirmed yet, so I couldn't add them). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::: No, the article you linked to just said that "The Dragon trio is a term used to refer to Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia". It doesn't say anything about these mysterious "power levels" that seem to only exist in your mind, nor that the three all came from Arceus anymore than Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza do. Nor does it say anything about Darkrai and Cresselia being siblings or Giratina being their mother. This is entirely fanwank speculation on your part. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::By "power levels," I just meant that they are equally powerful. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is based on stats. Look:

'''Giratina'''

HP: 150

Attack: 100

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 100

SpDef: 120

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Dialga'''

HP: 100

Attack: 120

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 100

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Palkia'''

HP: 90

Attack: 120

Defense: 100

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 120

Speed: 100

Total: 680

Not only do they all have the same total base stats (680) but they have the same distributions (one 150, two 120s, two 100, and one 90). This clearly shows that they are a trio. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed something kind of awkward about Palkia. You know it's in-game base HP, 90. Now look at a card scan of Palkia from the Diamond & Pearl TCG set. If you notice, they have the ''exacly the same HP''. Take an example from Shednga. In-game-1-TCG-''up to 50''.-[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[Image:Ani201MS.gif]] 9:40 p.m., 10 October 2007 (CT)

''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings. Fan assumptions do not count. '''End of story.''' --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Every single legendary trio has the same total base stats with the same distributions between stats. Therefore, my argument is valid until you can find three unrelated Pokémon that have the same base stat total with the same distribution. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please get it through your head that ''stats have no effect on Pokemon background or flavor information''. Second of all, easily done. Shaymin. Manaphy. Mew. Jirachi. Celebi. I guess they all come from some unnamed "mother" Pokemon as well, right? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I said ''unrelated'' Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:And you first said:
Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything.
:But then completely reversed it and said:
''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings.
:First you say that base stats are important and Pokédex entries aren't important, and then you say that base stats aren't important and Pokédex entries '''are''' important. Which is it? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think a more sound argument will note that all of the highest-powered legendaries of a generation typically have their stats sum to 680, as Mewtwo does, too. That doesn't imply lineage, directly anyway. Also, your argument that power doesn't increase down an "evolutionary" or other chain is disproven by Mewtwo, who is significantly more "powerful" than Mew in every canonical respect save learnset. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Okay. About Giratina and everything. Go compare Dialga, Palkia and Giratina's stats and level-up moves.
:Stats: 150 (1), 120 (2), 100 (2), 90 (1).
:Moves in common - Scary Face and DragonBreath at L:1.
:STAB move at 10.
:AncientPower at 20.
:Dragon Claw at 30.
:Signature move at 40.
:Heal Block at 50.
:Earth Power at 60.
:Slash at 70. (I say wtc at this one. Why Slash?!)
:Powerful STAB move at 80.
:Aura Sphere at 90.
:(Note that the ONLY differences between the movepools between the movepools is the STAB moves, and the signature moves. Coincidental? I think not.) [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 16:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that they're related. And Giratina will be the third version mascot. However, that's a conclusion and not a fact. Still, I don't get why doesn't Giratina appear in the article anymore. Did it start a Shadow Force? If the trouble is because of classifying it as a "legendary dragon", then let's just place Giratina next to Regigigas and the others, and mention its possible relation to Dialga and Palkia while the third version doesn't appear. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:You say "It's obvious they're related." So it should be added back into the article.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center"| [[Legendary trio]] || align="center"| [[Dragon trio|Existence trio]] || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

hey, i did this! by the way, giratina IS PART OF THIS TRIO. just wait till pokemon opal comes out. you'll see. there is a website if you don't believe in me: [http://PokemonOpal.com]. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm............... that link just goes to the nintendo website..........It has nothing about girantina! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT! but it's strange anyway. you can see a better description here: [http://www.pokebeach.com/?start_from=70&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&]. scroll down until you see Sunday - May 6th, 2007. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 23:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The guy said it was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 23:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

no, he said that someone made it up and THAT was an April fools joke. still, the website still exists. And the registrant of that site (which likns to nintendo) is nintendo! think whatever you want, dude, but ever since i read this, it got stuck on my head. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 11:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:The fact that Nintendo that domain name certainly is suspicious. However, Nintendo has also filed a bunch of weird trademarks like "Pokémon Amethyst," and we shouldn't think about a website redirect so hard. It may mean absolutely nothing; for example, J.K. Rowling has a history of filing trademarks for fake Harry Potter titles.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Yep, there's a problem with Giratina being part of the Dragon Trio...Guess what? It is '''not''' in the Sinnoh Pokédex! Looking at the before Sister games, you can conclude that the region's Pokédex stays the same until the defeat of the Elite Four. So, in conclusion, Giratina will NOT be in the main storyline of the sister game of Diamond and Pearl. In other words, The only Legendaries left to be the next game's mascot are the Lake Trio and Manaphy! Big Problem, right? At least Rayquaza '''and''' Suicune were in their region Pokédexes! The likeliness of a sister game to DP is low, very low...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nintendo will probably come up with a way around it. Maybe the main storyline happens '''after''' you become the Champion. Or maybe, the main storyline happens before you become the Champion, but you don't get to actually catch Giratina until after you become the Champion. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Most game event take place before the elite four and the star Pokémon is usually obtainable before the elite four anyway (I used a master ball on the Rayquaza) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Forgetting that {{p|Rayquaza}} was only obtainable after the E4? Yes, it was in Hoenn Dex.. but even then, you CAN get Pokémon not in Sinnoh Dex - for example, I did have 100 {{p|Eevee}} before the Elite Four - I just couldn't view their dex data or number. So um.. yeah, I still think it's possible ^^; I think you got Rayquaza before the E4 in {{pkmn|Emerald}}, though I'm not sure because I haven't got to that point yet. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, yeah. I was talking bout Emerald. And it's true, Rayquaza is the star Pokémon and can be captured before the E4...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, the regional Pokédex numeration is not so determinant IMO. They could also enlarge the Sinnoh Pokédex for the third version specifically. Since the regional Pokédex is a game-specific feature and not a file-specific feature, it's possible. Emerald took place after Ruby & Sapphire chronologically, so maybe they'll expand the Sinnoh Pokédex months/years later. Maybe the Spring Path will open right after you catch Dialga and Palkia and before you become the champion. Let Oak give you the National Pokédex when you meet every Pokémon plus Giratina. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that has never EVER happened before in one of the sister games. And I just had a horrible thought. Since I saw Suicune as Crystal's mascot, the next game's mastcot could be Mesprit...Okay, that gives us FIVE Pokémon...*sigh* [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:What thing never happened? ^_^' And yeah, Mesprit is like a Generation IV Suicune. With the exception that the choice of Suicune only happened in the third version (not Gold and Silver), while the peculiarities of Mesprit exist since the first two versions, before Opal. Also Ho-Oh and Lugia didn't have a Rayquaza/Giratina in their generation. Dialga rules time, Palkia rules space, and maybe Giratina rules the whole reality and is the ultimate goal of Cyrus or something. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::They have NEVER enlarged the Pokédex before...Giratina rules the underworld, maybe Cyrus want to bring back Pokémon from the dead...It's just a thought...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of. I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.
:p.s. can you guys checkout the [[Double Battle|Double Battle]] page and look under the article I, [[User: Kirby 3003| kirby3003]], made, "Pokemon Pairs Often Used In Double Battles". I think some of the pairs I put don't make sense or are a little too fanny, if you know what I mean...

== A Quartet??? ==

Just thoght I should point out that Phione, Manaphy, Heatran and Shaymin all seem to complement eachother. Could it be that they are the 1st Legendary Quartet?
:No. I have NO idea how Heatran is related to them. AT ALL. Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy all fit in the Cute category. Heatran goes in the 'I HAVE NO IDEA D8' category. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Phione is far weaker, and Heatran has higher base stats. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stats aside, they each represent one domains of the legendaries. Fire, Water, and Grass. Although it ''is'' a bit of a stretch, I am not talking about their relative stats, I'm talking about Pokémon Mythos. They have played a large role in shaping the world.
:But still. NONE of them have to do with the land. This is a random thought to just give an excuse to categorize (Not the Wiki Way!) the last legends that don't fit. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 22:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Manaphy is the 'Prince of the Sea' Shaymin causes Land to flourish, and creates a cleaner sky, and Heatran dwells in a volcano, hence land

==How many?==

How many legendary pokemons are actually are there? I mean are they one of a kind or theres more of them?? [[User:MAXDude17|MAXDude]]
:They're only one of a kind in the games (although I think that can easily be explained as "you'll probably never see such a rare Pokémon more than once). In other media (anime, manga, etc.) there's often more than one because - let's face it - it's improbable that these Pokémon wouldn't be extinct by now without a way to procreate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Another Giratina Comment ==

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of? I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.
:p.s. can you guys checkout the [[Double Battle|Double Battle]] page and look under the article I, [[User: Kirby 3003| kirby3003]], made, "Pokemon Pairs Often Used In Double Battles". I think some of the pairs I put don't make sense or are a little too fanny, if you know what I mean...

Kirby3003:

Double Battle

2007-09-13T04:23:22Z

Kirby3003:

A '''double battle''', also known a a '''2-on-2 battle''' or '''tag battle''', is a [[Pokémon battle]] featuring up to four [[Pokémon]] actively participating at once.

Each Pokémon is part of a duo, meaning that the battle takes place between two teams of two. The number of [[Pokémon trainer]]s participating in the battle can be two - in which each trainer uses two Pokémon, three - in which a pair of trainers each using a single Pokémon face off against a trainer using two, or four trainers - with each trainer using a single Pokémon.

Double battles were introduced into the [[Pokémon games]] in [[Generation III]]. However, the idea had been presented in the [[Pokémon anime]] and the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga long before that.

=Pokémon Pairs often used in Double Battles=
*Two of the exact same Pokémon
*A Pokémon and its evolved or pre-evolved form
*Two Pokémon of the same type
*A Pokémon with high attack and a pokémon high defense.
*A Pokémon venerable to thunder-type attacks and a Pokémon with the {{a|Lightningrod}} ability.
*A Pokémon venerable to water-type attacks and a Pokémon with the {{a|Storm Drain}} ability.

*Any two [[Starter Pokémon]]
*[[Pikachu]] with a Pikachu-like Pokémon({{p|Plusle}}, {{p|Minun}}, {{p|Marill}} and {{p|Pachirisu}})
*[[Butterfree]] and [[Beedrill]]
*[[Pidgeot]], [[Noctowl]], [[Swellow]], and/or [[Staraptor]]
*[[Nidoqueen]] and [Nidoking]]
*[[Clefable]]/[[Clefairy]] and [[Wigglytuff]]/[[Jigglypuff]]
*[[Vileplume]] and [[Victreebel]]
*[[Arcanine]] and [[Ninetales]]
*[[Alakazam]] and [[Machamp]]
*[[Hitmonlee]], [[Hitmonchan]], and/or [[Hitmontop]]
*[[Arbok]] and [[Weezing]]
*Ditto with another Pokémon
*[[Magmortar]]/[[Magmar]] and [[Electivire]]/[[Electabuzz]]
*[[Pinsir]] and [[Heracross]]
*[[Gyarados]] and [[Milotic]]
*Rarely [[Magikarp]] and [[Feebas]]
*[[Tauros]] and [[Miltank]]
*Any combination of [[Eevee]]'s Evolutions usually
[[Vaporeon]], [[Jolteon]] and/or [[Flareon]]
[[Umbreon]] and [[Espeon]]
[[Leafeon]] and [[Glaceon]]
*[[Omastar]] and [[Kabutops]]
*[[Dragonite]], [[Tyranitar]], [[Salamence]], [[Metagross]], [[Aggron]], [[Flygon]], and/or [[Garchomp]]
*[[Bellossom]] with [[Vileplume]] and/or [[Sunflora]]
*[[Quagsire]] and [[Whiscash]]
*[[Beautifly]] with [[Dustox]] or [[Butterfree]]
*[[Ludicolo]] and [[Shiftry]]
*[[Plusle]] and [[Minun]]
*[[Volbeat]] and [[Illumise]]
*[[Zangoose]] and [[Seviper]]
*[[Lunatone]] and [[Solrock]]
*[[Cradily]] and [[Armaldo]]
*[[Banette]] and[[Dusclops]]/{{p|Dusknoir}}
*[[Glalie]] and [[Froslass]]
*[[Huntail]] and [[Gorebyss]]
*[[Rampardos]] and [[Bastiodon]]
*{{p|Bonsly}}/{{p|Sudowoodo}} and{{p|Mime Jr.}}/{{p|Mr.Mime}}
*{{p|Gallade}} and {{p|Gardevoir}}

==Legendary Pairs often used in Double Battles==
*Two of [[Kanto]]'s [[legendary birds]]
*Two of [[Johto]]'s [[legendary beasts]
*Two of [[Hoenn]]'s [[legendary golems]] and/or {{p|Regigigas}}
*Two of [[Sinnoh]]'s [[lake trio]]
*Two of [[weather trio|Hoenn's trio]] of [[weather conditions|weather] ({{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}})
*{{p|Groudon}} with {{p|Cherrim}}, fire-type Pokémon, and other Pokémon that benefit from sunlight.
*{{p|Kyogre}} with {{p|Ludicolo}}, water-type Pokémon, and oter Pokémon that benefit from rain
*{{p|Deoxys}} with another {{p|Deoxys}} of a different form.
*Two of the cute [[legendary pokémon]]
*{{p|Mew}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}
*{{p|Latios}} and {{p|Latias}}
*{{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, sometimes grouped with {{p|Giratina}}, {{p|Heatran}} and {{p|Arceus}}
*{{p|Darkrai}} with {{p|Cresselia}} or a Pokémon who's attacks are geared towards sleeping Pokémon.

==Effects on moves==
Many different [[move]]s are made especially for double battles, such as {{m|Helping Hand}}. Some others, such as {{m|Surf}}, can have noticeably different effects. Below is a list of moves which act differently in double battles. Unlisted moves act the same as in normal single battles.

===May be used on user or partner===
*{{m|Acid Armor}}
*{{m|Agility}}
*{{m|Amnesia}}
*{{m|Aromatherapy}}
*{{m|Barrier}}
*{{m|Baton Pass}}
*{{m|Belly Drum}}
*{{m|Bide}}
*{{m|Bulk Up}}
*{{m|Calm Mind}}
*{{m|Camouflage}}
*{{m|Charge}}
*{{m|Conversion}}
*{{m|Conversion2}}
*{{m|Cosmic Power}}
*{{m|Defense Curl}}
*{{m|Destiny Bond}}
*{{m|Detect}}
*{{m|Double Team}}
*{{m|Dragon Dance}}
*{{m|Endure}}
*{{m|Focus Energy}}
*{{m|Follow Me}}
*{{m|Growth}}
*{{m|Grudge}}
*{{m|Hail}}
*{{m|Harden}}
*{{m|Haze}}
*{{m|Heal Bell}}
*{{m|Helping Hand}}
*{{m|Howl}}
*{{m|Imprison}}
*{{m|Ingrain}}
*{{m|Iron Defense}}
*{{m|Light Screen}}
*{{m|Meditate}}
*{{m|Milk Drink}}
*{{m|Minimize}}
*{{m|Mist}}
*{{m|Moonlight}}
*{{m|Morning Sun}}
*{{m|Mud Sport}}
*{{m|Perish Song}}
*{{m|Protect}}
*{{m|Rain Dance}}
*{{m|Recover}}
*{{m|Recycle}}
*{{m|Reflect}}
*{{m|Refresh}}
*{{m|Rest}}
*{{m|Safeguard}}
*{{m|Sandstorm}}
*{{m|Sharpen}}
*{{m|Slack Off}}
*{{m|Softboiled}}
*{{m|Splash}}
*{{m|Stockpile}}
*{{m|Substitute}}
*{{m|Sunny Day}}
*{{m|Swallow}}
*{{m|Swords Dance}}
*{{m|Synthesis}}
*{{m|Tail Glow}}
*{{m|Teleport}}
*{{m|Water Sport}}
*{{m|Wish}}
*{{m|Withdraw}}

===Target depends on status of battle===
*{{m|Assist}}
*{{m|Counter}}
*{{m|Magic Coat}}
*{{m|Metronome}}
*{{m|Mirror Coat}}
*{{m|Mirror Move}}
*{{m|Nature Power}}
*{{m|Sleep Talk}}
*{{m|Snatch}}

===May hit either opponent===
*{{m|Thrash}}
*{{m|Petal Dance}}
*{{m|Outrage}}
*{{m|Uproar}}

===Hits both opponents===
*{{m|Acid}}
*{{m|Air Cutter}}
*{{m|Blizzard}}
*{{m|Bubble}}
*{{m|Eruption}}
*{{m|Growl}}
*{{m|Heat Wave}}
*{{m|Hyper Voice}}
*{{m|Icy Wind}}
*{{m|Leer}}
*{{m|Muddy Water}}
*{{m|Powder Snow}}
*{{m|Razor Leaf}}
*{{m|Razor Wind}}
*{{m|Rock Slide}}
*{{m|Surf}}
*{{m|String Shot}}
*{{m|Sweet Scent}}
*{{m|Swift}}
*{{m|Tail Whip}}
*{{m|Twister}}
*{{m|Water Spout}}

===Hits both opponents and partner===
*{{m|Earthquake}}
*{{m|Explosion}}
*{{m|Magnitude}}
*{{m|Selfdestruct}}
*{{m|Teeter Dance}}
*{{m|Surf}} ([[Generation IV]])
*{{m|Lava Plume}}

===Affects all Pokémon in battle===
*{{m|Spikes}}

==Effects on abilities==
Many [[abilities]], such as Plus, are also adapted especially for double battles. Below is a list of abilities geared towards double battles:

*{{a|Plus}}
*{{a|Minus}}
*{{a|Lightningrod}}
*{{a|Storm Drain}}

==In the anime==
The first official double battle occured in ''[[EP108|Pokémon Double Trouble]]''. In order to win the [[Badge#Jade Star Badge|Jade Star Badge]], Ash had to defeat [[Luana]]'s {{p|Marowak}} and {{p|Alakazam}} in a double battle. While [[Ash's Pikachu]] and [[Ash's Charizard|Charizard]] were initially unwilling to cooperate, they eventually overcame it to win the battle.

After the release of Ruby and Sapphire, double battles were seen in the anime more often. The first took place in ''[[AG014|All in a Day's Wurmple]]''. [[Forrester Franklin]] introduced the concept to Ash and they had a battle that Ash won. As in the games, Ash's Gym Battle against [[Tate and Liza]] was a double battle. The Double Battle style has been used in contests; more specifically, all four battle rounds of the Grand Festival. Additionally, in order to qualify for the finals of the [[Ever Grande Conference]], competitors must win three double battles in the preliminaries. Double battles also appeared in the seventh movie, ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]''.

''[[AG072|The Bicker the Better]]'', ''[[AG176|Grating Spaces]]'' and [[DP029]] all featured tag battles; double battles with two trainers on each side.

While not counting as official battles, battles with Team Rocket are usually two-on-two, as has been the case since ''[[EP003|Ash Catches a Pokémon]]''. In that episode, Ash complained that it was against the rules. Perhaps to account for this, Forrester stated that double battles are accepted under [[Hoenn]]'s official Pokémon league rules.

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[de:Doppelkampf]]

2007-09-08T20:36:21Z

Kirby3003: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Magby | next=Blissey }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Miltank |
jname=ミルタンク |
tmname=Miltank |
image=241Miltank.png |
caption=Artwork from GSC |
ndex=241 |
jdex=149 |
hdex=376 |
typen=1 |
type1=Normal |
type2= |
species=Milk Cow |
height-ftin=3′11″ |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=166.4 |
weight-kg=75.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Thick Fat |
ability2=Scrappy |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Ground |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=2 Def |
expyield=200 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=allfemale |
female=100 |
male=0 |
color=Pink |
catchrate=45 |
pokefordex=miltank |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Miltank''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ミルタンク ''Miltank'') is a {{t|Normal}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
Milktank is a pink, black, and cream colored cow with small horns and a long tail with a black ball in the end.
===Gender differences===
Miltank is a female-only species. For the male counterpart, see {{p|Tauros}}.

===Special abilities===

==Behavior==
==Habitat==
==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
[[Whitney's Miltank|Miltank]] first appeared under the ownership of [[Whitney]] during ''[[EP158|A Goldenrod Opportunity]]'' and ''[[EP159|A Dairy Tale Ending]]''.

In ''[[EP207|Got Miltank?]]'', a Miltank was guarding an area that was for Pokémon only.

[[Harrison (Johto League)|Harrison]] also has a Miltank, but he has only been seen using her to quell an argument between some Pokémon during the [[Silver Conference]] in ''[[EP268|Tie One On!]]''.

=In the manga=
=In the TCG=

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==

{{Dex
|type=normal
|gen=2
|golddex=Its milk is packed with nutrition, making it the ultimate beverage for the sick or weary.
|silverdex=If it has just had a baby, the milk it produces contains much more nutrition than usual.
|crystaldex=In order to milk a Miltank, one must have a knack for rhythmically pulling up and down on its udders.
|stadium2dex=Its milk is packed with nutrition, making it the ultimate beverage for the sick or weary.
|rubydex=Miltank gives over five gallons of milk on a daily basis. Its sweet milk is enjoyed by children and grown-ups alike. People who can't [[Milk Drink (move)|drink]] milk turn it into yogurt and eat it instead.
|sapphiredex=Miltank gives over five gallons of milk on a daily basis. Its sweet milk is enjoyed by children and grown-ups alike. People who can't drink milk turn it into yogurt and eat it instead.
|emeralddex=It gives over five gallons of milk daily. Its sweet milk is enjoyed by children and grown-ups alike. People who can't drink milk turn it into yogurt and eat it instead.
|firereddex=If it has just had a baby, the milk it produces contains much more nutrition than usual.
|leafgreendex=Its milk is packed with nutrition, making it the ultimate beverage for the sick or weary.
|diamonddex=It is said that kids who drink Miltank's milk grow up to become hearty, healthy adults.
|pearldex=It is said that kids who drink Miltank's milk grow up to become hearty, healthy adults.}}

==Game locations==
{{Availability |
gen=2 |
type=Normal |
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|38}}, {{rtn|39}} |
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|38}}, {{rtn|39}} (Day) |
erarity=Rare |
earea=[[Hoenn Safari Zone]] extension |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[Realgam Tower]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dprarity=Uncommon (Diamond) Rare (Pearl) |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|209}}, {{rtn|210}} ([[PokéRadar]]) |
palarea=Field |
}}

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{normal color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Endless Level 10 Endless Level 13 Forever Level 59 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Western Cave]] (10F, 20F, 30F, 40F, 50F-53F, 60F-98F)
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=95 |
Attack=80 |
Defense=105 |
SpAtk=40 |
SpDef=70 |
Speed=100 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

Note that Miltank's Thick Fat ability halves the power of {{T|Fire}} and {{T|Ice}} moves.

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Miltank}}
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{normal color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| Start || '''{{M|Tackle}}''' {{M|Growl}} || '''{{M|Tackle}}''' || '''{{M|Tackle}}'''
|-
| 3 ||   ||   || {{M|Growl}}
|-
| 4 ||   || {{M|Growl}} ||  
|-
| 5 ||   ||   || {{M|Defense Curl}}
|-
| 8 || {{M|Defense Curl}} || {{M|Defense Curl}} || '''{{M|Stomp}}'''
|-
| 11 ||   ||   || {{M|Milk Drink}}
|-
| 13 || '''{{M|Stomp}}''' || '''{{M|Stomp}}''' ||  
|-
| 15 ||   ||   || {{M|Bide}}
|-
| 19 || {{M|Milk Drink}} || {{M|Milk Drink}} || {{M|Rollout}}
|-
| 24 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Body Slam}}'''
|-
| 26 || {{M|Bide}} || {{M|Bide}} ||  
|-
| 29 ||   ||   || {{M|Zen Headbutt}}
|-
| 34 || {{M|Rollout}} || {{M|Rollout}} ||  
|-
| 35 ||   ||   || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| 41 ||   ||   || {{M|Gyro Ball}}
|-
| 43 || '''{{M|Body Slam}}''' || '''{{M|Body Slam}}''' ||  
|-
| 48 ||   ||   || {{M|Heal Bell}}
|-
| 53 || {{M|Heal Bell}} || {{M|Heal Bell}} ||  
|-
| 55 ||   ||   || {{M|Wake-up Slap}}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{normal color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM01 || {{M|Dynamicpunch}} || {{M|Focus Punch}} || {{M|Focus Punch}}
|-
| TM02 || '''{{M|Headbutt}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| TM03 || {{M|Curse}} || {{M|Water Pulse}} || {{M|Water Pulse}}
|-
| TM04 || {{M|Rollout}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM06 || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM07 || {{M|Zap Cannon}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM08 || {{M|Rock Smash}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM09 || {{M|Psych Up}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM10 || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM12 || {{M|Sweet Scent}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM13 || '''{{M|Snore}}''' || {{M|Ice Beam}} || {{M|Ice Beam}}
|-
| TM14 || {{M|Blizzard}} || {{M|Blizzard}} || {{M|Blizzard}}
|-
| TM15 || '''{{M|Hyper Beam}}''' || '''{{M|Hyper Beam}}''' || '''{{M|Hyper Beam}}'''
|-
| TM16 || {{M|Ice Beam}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}}
|-
| TM20 || {{M|Endure}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM21 || '''{{M|Frustration}}''' || '''{{M|Frustration}}''' || '''{{M|Frustration}}'''
|-
| TM22 ||   || {{M|Solarbeam}} || {{M|Solarbeam}}
|-
| TM23 || {{M|Iron Tail}} || {{M|Iron Tail}} || {{M|Iron Tail}}
|-
| TM24 ||   || {{M|Thunderbolt}} || {{M|Thunderbolt}}
|-
| TM25 || {{M|Thunder}} || {{M|Thunder}} || {{M|Thunder}}
|-
| TM26 || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{M|Earthquake}}
|-
| TM27 || '''{{M|Return}}''' || '''{{M|Return}}''' || '''{{M|Return}}'''
|-
| TM30 || {{M|Shadow Ball}} || {{M|Shadow Ball}} || {{M|Shadow Ball}}
|-
| TM31 || {{M|Mud Slap}} || {{M|Brick Break}} || {{M|Brick Break}}
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM33 || {{M|Ice Punch}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Swagger}} || {{M|Shock Wave}} || {{M|Shock Wave}}
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM37 || {{M|Sandstorm}} || {{M|Sandstorm}} || {{M|Sandstorm}}
|-
| TM39 ||   || {{M|Rock Tomb}} || {{M|Rock Tomb}}
|-
| TM40 || {{M|Defense Curl}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM41 || {{M|Thunderpunch}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM42 ||   || '''{{M|Facade}}''' || '''{{M|Facade}}'''
|-
| TM43 ||   || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM48 || {{M|Fire Punch}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM52 ||   ||   || {{M|Focus Blast}}
|-
| TM56 ||   ||   || {{M|Fling}}
|-
| TM58 ||   ||   || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM68 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Giga Impact}}'''
|-
| TM73 ||   ||   || {{M|Thunder Wave}}
|-
| TM74 ||   ||   || {{M|Gyro Ball}}
|-
| TM75 ||   ||   || {{M|Swords Dance}}
|-
| TM77 ||   ||   || {{M|Psych Up}}
|-
| TM78 ||   ||   || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM80 ||   ||   || {{M|Rock Slide}}
|-
| TM82 ||   ||   || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 ||   ||   || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM87 ||   ||   || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 ||   ||   || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM03 || {{M|Surf}} || {{M|Surf}} || {{M|Surf}}
|-
| HM04 || '''{{M|Strength}}''' || '''{{M|Strength}}''' || '''{{M|Strength}}'''
|-
| HM06 ||   || {{M|Rock Smash}} || {{M|Rock Smash}}
|}

===By breeding===
*{{M|Curse}}
*{{M|Endure}}
*{{M|Helping Hand}}
*{{M|Present}}
*{{M|Psych Up}}
*{{M|Reversal}}
*{{M|Seismic Toss}}
*{{M|Sleep Talk}}

===By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]===

[[FireRed and LeafGreen]]:
* {{M|Body Slam}}
* {{M|Counter}}
* {{M|Double Edge}}
* {{M|Mega Kick}}
* {{M|Mega Punch}}
* {{M|Metronome}}
* {{M|Mimic}}
* {{M|Rock Slide}}
* {{M|Seismic Toss}}
* {{M|Substitute}}
* {{M|Thunder Wave}}

[[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]]:
* {{M|Defense Curl}}
* {{M|DynamicPunch}}
* {{M|Endure}}
* {{M|Fire Punch}}
* {{M|Ice Punch}}
* {{M|Icy Wind}}
* {{M|Mud Slap}}
* {{M|Psych Up}}
* {{M|Rollout}}
* {{M|Sleep Talk}}
* {{M|Snore}}
* {{M|Swagger}}
* {{M|ThunderPunch}}

===Special moves===
N/A

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=normal |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=8.7% |
area=Safari |
P1= My milk is full of healthy nutrients. |
P2= Oh, my goodness. My health is down to half, it seems. |
P3= I'm at my limit... I'm all out of milk... |
PL= My level went up! My milk is more nutritious, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="1" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=241.png |
name=Miltank }}
|}

=Trivia=
* Its male counterpart is {{p|Tauros}}.
* In the anima, people have eaten or wanted hamburgers which usually comes from cows. Since Miltank are cow Pokémon, it is speculated that people may or may not eat Miltank.
==Origin==
Miltank is based on female [[wp:Cattle|cattle]], or cows.

===Name origin===
Miltank's name is a combination of ''[[wp:Milk|milk]]'' and ''tank'', a storage container for liquid. The ''tank'' part of Miltank's name could also refer to her tank-like defense stats.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Miltank
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Ecremeuh
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 밀탱크 ''Miltaengkeu''

=External links=
* [[wp:Miltank|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Magby | next=Blissey }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Miltank]]
[[ja:ミルタンク]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are not part of an evolutionary line]]
[[Category:Female-only Pokémon]]