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User:King Elemento

2008-07-28T21:10:02Z

King Elemento: New page: King Elemento is a gamer who began his Pokémon journey in Kanto in Generation I with the game Pokémon Yellow. He later got Red and Blue versions, however has lost all 3 games. He still h...

King Elemento is a gamer who began his Pokémon journey in Kanto in Generation I with the game Pokémon Yellow. He later got Red and Blue versions, however has lost all 3 games. He still has a copy of Pokémon Gold, but it is incapable of saving. His most recent Pokémon game is Pearl version, in which he intends to attain a [[Living Pokédex]]. He intends to get Leaf Green and Emerald at a later date, so he can transfer the Pokémon he will catch in Kanto and Hoenn over to Sinnoh.

Talk:Heatran (Pokémon)

2008-07-21T17:02:39Z

King Elemento: /* WTF? */

Um...A Hydra? How's that possible? I only see one head on that thing!--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing myself. Although I do believe the Hydra posessed only one head until hercules started chopping them off. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, that's only in the Disney movie. It already had several heads when Heracles first confronted it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it really 0x fire damage to Heatran? -Gab
:Yes, due to its {{a|Flash Fire}} ability. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Relation to Dialga and Palkia ==
"Heatran was born from the flames of a volcano when Dialga, Palkia and their relations first created the universe. The lava and magma pooled together to became Heatran."
I've only ever seen this here. I don't recall it ever being mentioned at all in the games. Seriously, does ''every'' Sinnoh Legendary have to be related to be related to the creation myth?--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 01:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think Buck's grampa says it. - Vereux0
Even then lava and magma are the same thing so it doesn't make any sense. The only difference between the two is that one is made above ground and the other underneath it. -Lord Hyren 23:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

I know Heatran is a Legendary and can't evolve, but the official Prima guide for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 says something different. In the back of the book there's a Bulbasaur-Darkrai Pokédex. It has a part where it shows the evolution line for that Pokémon. If a Pokémon doesn't evolve, it says "Does not Evolve", but for Heatran, it says "*" and under it, it says "*Check the official Pokémon website in the future for a possible announcement about Heatran [pokemon.com]". [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ooh! I just found out is has the same thing for {{tt|Giratina|Origin Forme?}} [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::It's mabye the new forms or a '''big mistake''' in the book '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:::Hmmm... So that means Heatran might appear in movie 11, eh? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Mabye wat woulf Heatran have to with a movie a small-role,camao appearence?who knows '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''05:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::We're probably just gonna have too wait and see. To be honest, i didn't/don't think Heatran is going to be in the new Movie...I just had a feeling it won't. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 06:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too many legendaries in one movie= Terrible movie. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:30 10 May 2008'''''
::Yes it is too many Pokemon Legends they '''need'' to save some for the '''NEXT MOVIE'''.
'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

:::As far as Legendaries go, I don't think Heatran will make a good movie subject. It doesn't have an exciting a backstory as the rest. They need to just go ahead and make an Arceus movie. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

i think it will appear in the eleventh movie cuz of the deck set: cry from the mysterious\temple of anger as heatran is shown in the pack art and in that article it says that it the deck will debut around the time of the elventh movie.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== WTF? ==

Why on Earth is my Heatran not there, in Stark Mountain?
Is there some special requirement you have to do before you can get it? All I have is an empty room and an empty Pokédex slot.
The only thing that could possibly have changed it is catching Cresselia before helping out Buck, which, let's be fair, shouldn't really affect it.
So, Bulbapedia, can you help me? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 15:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Did you go back and talk to Buck's grandfather? I think I had this same problem. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that, shoulda realised I had to find Buck again >_< Well, now I'm one step close to a complete dex. [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 17:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Heatran (Pokémon)

2008-07-21T15:27:08Z

King Elemento: /* WTF? */ new section

List of Pokémon with gender differences

2008-07-16T22:21:31Z

King Elemento: /* Sinnoh evolution families */ I have a male Burmy with Sandy cloak. Also added Combee's other difference.

Differences between the genders of many species are apparent, not only in the real world, where animals like [[wp:cardinal (bird)|cardinal]]s have a brightly-colored male and a dull-colored female, but also in the [[Pokémon world]], where some species of Pokémon have a noticeable difference between the male and female of the species beginning in [[Generation IV]].

==Kanto evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|003
|[[Image:003.png]]
|[[Image:003 f.png]]
|{{p|Venusaur}}
| Female's flower has a seed in it
|-
|012
|[[Image:012.png]]
|[[Image:012 f.png]]
|{{p|Butterfree}}
| Female has black spots on bottom wings
|-
|019
|[[Image:019.png]]
|[[Image:019 f.png]]
|{{p|Rattata}}
| Female has smaller whiskers
|-
|020
|[[Image:020.png]]
|[[Image:020 f.png]]
|{{p|Raticate}}
| Female has smaller whiskers
|-
|025
|[[Image:025.png]]
|[[Image:025 f.png]]
|{{p|Pikachu}}
| Female has a heart-shaped tail
|-
|026
|[[Image:026.png]]
|[[Image:026 f.png]]
|{{p|Raichu}}
| Female's tail lacks a point
|-
|032 029
|[[Image:032.png]]
|[[Image:029.png]]
|[[Nidoran]]
| Female is bluish, male is pinkish, separate evolutionary lines
|-
|041
|[[Image:041.png]]
|[[Image:041 f.png]]
|{{p|Zubat}}
| Female has smaller teeth
|-
|042
|[[Image:042.png]]
|[[Image:042 f.png]]
|{{p|Golbat}}
| Female has smaller teeth
|-
|044
|[[Image:044.png]]
|[[Image:044 f.png]]
|{{p|Gloom}}
| Female has single spots on bud
|-
|045
|[[Image:045.png]]
|[[Image:045 f.png]]
|{{p|Vileplume}}
| Female has larger spots on petals
|-
|186
|[[Image:186.png]]
|[[Image:186 f.png]]
|{{p|Politoed}}
| Female has smaller cheeks
|-
|064
|[[Image:064.png]]
|[[Image:064 f.png]]
|{{p|Kadabra}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|065
|[[Image:065.png]]
|[[Image:065 f.png]]
|{{p|Alakazam}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|084
|[[Image:084.png]]
|[[Image:084 f.png]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
| Female has beige necks, male has black necks
|-
|085
|[[Image:085.png]]
|[[Image:085 f.png]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
| Female has beige necks, male has black necks
|-
|208
|[[Image:208.png]]
|[[Image:208 f.png]]
|{{p|Steelix}}
| Male has more outer teeth
|-
|097
|[[Image:097.png]]
|[[Image:097 f.png]]
|{{p|Hypno}}
| Female has larger collar
|-
|111
|[[Image:111.png]]
|[[Image:111 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhyhorn}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|112
|[[Image:112.png]]
|[[Image:112 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhydon}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|464
|[[Image:464.png]]
|[[Image:464 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhyperior}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|465
|[[Image:465.png]]
|[[Image:465 f.png]]
|{{p|Tangrowth}}
| Female has larger hands
|-
|118
|[[Image:118.png]]
|[[Image:118 f.png]]
|{{p|Goldeen}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|119
|[[Image:119.png]]
|[[Image:119 f.png]]
|{{p|Seaking}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|123
|[[Image:123.png]]
|[[Image:123 f.png]]
|{{p|Scyther}}
| Female has larger abdomen
|-
|212
|[[Image:212.png]]
|[[Image:212 f.png]]
|{{p|Scizor}}
| Female has larger abdomen
|-
|129
|[[Image:129.png]]
|[[Image:129 f.png]]
|{{p|Magikarp}}
| Female has white whiskers
|-
|130
|[[Image:130.png]]
|[[Image:130 f.png]]
|{{p|Gyarados}}
| Female has white whiskers
|}

==Johto evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|154
|[[Image:154.png]]
|[[Image:154 f.png]]
|{{p|Meganium}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|165
|[[Image:165.png]]
|[[Image:165 f.png]]
|{{p|Ledyba}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|166
|[[Image:166.png]]
|[[Image:166 f.png]]
|{{p|Ledian}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|178
|[[Image:178.png]]
|[[Image:178 f.png]]
|{{p|Xatu}}
| Female has less body stripes
|-
|185
|[[Image:185.png]]
|[[Image:185 f.png]]
|{{p|Sudowoodo}}
| Female has smaller head branches
|-
|190
|[[Image:190.png]]
|[[Image:190 f.png]]
|{{p|Aipom}}
| Female has longer hair
|-
|424
|[[Image:424.png]]
|[[Image:424 f.png]]
|{{p|Ambipom}}
| Female has longer hair
|-
|194
|[[Image:194.png]]
|[[Image:194 f.png]]
|{{p|Wooper}}
| Female has shorter antennae
|-
|195
|[[Image:195.png]]
|[[Image:195 f.png]]
|{{p|Quagsire}}
| Female has smaller back fins
|-
|198
|[[Image:198.png]]
|[[Image:198 f.png]]
|{{p|Murkrow}}
| Female has smaller hat
|-
|202
|[[Image:202.png]]
|[[Image:202 f.png]]
|{{p|Wobbuffet}}
| Female has lipstick
|-
|203
|[[Image:203.png]]
|[[Image:203 f.png]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
| Female has more yellow area
|-
|207
|[[Image:207.png]]
|[[Image:207 f.png]]
|{{p|Gligar}}
| Male has larger stinger
|-
|214
|[[Image:214.png]]
|[[Image:214 f.png]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
| Female has heart-shaped horn
|-
|215
|[[Image:215.png]]
|[[Image:215 f.png]]
|{{p|Sneasel}}
| Female has shorter ear feathers
|-
|461
|[[Image:461.png]]
|[[Image:461 f.png]]
|{{p|Weavile}}
| Female has shorter ear feathers
|-
|217
|[[Image:217.png]]
|[[Image:217 f.png]]
|{{p|Ursaring}}
| Female has longer shoulder hair
|-
|221
|[[Image:221.png]]
|[[Image:221 f.png]]
|{{p|Piloswine}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|-
|473
|[[Image:473.png]]
|[[Image:473 f.png]]
|{{p|Mamoswine}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|-
|224
|[[Image:224.png]]
|[[Image:224 f.png]]
|{{p|Octillery}}
| Female has smaller suction cups
|-
|229
|[[Image:229.png]]
|[[Image:229 f.png]]
|{{p|Houndoom}}
| Female has smaller and shorter horns
|-
|232
|[[Image:232.png]]
|[[Image:232 f.png]]
|{{p|Donphan}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|}

==Hoenn evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|255
|[[Image:Spr b g4 255 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 255 f.png]]
|{{p|Torchic}}
| Male has a black speck on its rear.
|-
|256
|[[Image:256.png]]
|[[Image:256 f.png]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
| Female has smaller head feathers
|-
|257
|[[Image:257.png]]
|[[Image:257 f.png]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
| Female has smaller head feathers
|-
|267
|[[Image:267.png]]
|[[Image:267 f.png]]
|{{p|Beautifly}}
| Female has smaller red spots
|-
|269
|[[Image:269.png]]
|[[Image:269 f.png]]
|{{p|Dustox}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|272
|[[Image:272.png]]
|[[Image:272 f.png]]
|{{p|Ludicolo}}
| Female has thinner stripes
|-
|274
|[[Image:274.png]]
|[[Image:274 f.png]]
|{{p|Nuzleaf}}
| Female has smaller head leaf
|-
|275
|[[Image:275.png]]
|[[Image:275 f.png]]
|{{p|Shiftry}}
| Female has smaller hand leaves
|-
|307
|[[Image:307.png]]
|[[Image:307 f.png]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
| Male has raised ears
|-
|308
|[[Image:308.png]]
|[[Image:308 f.png]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
| Male has larger head
|-
|315
|[[Image:315.png]]
|[[Image:315 f.png]]
|{{p|Roselia}}
| Female has longer leaves
|-
|407
|[[Image:407.png]]
|[[Image:407 f.png]]
|{{p|Roserade}}
| Female has longer cape
|-
|316
|[[Image:316.png]]
|[[Image:316 f.png]]
|{{p|Gulpin}}
| Female has shorter feather
|-
|317
|[[Image:317.png]]
|[[Image:317 f.png]]
|{{p|Swalot}}
| Female has shorter whiskers
|-
|322
|[[Image:322.png]]
|[[Image:322 f.png]]
|{{p|Numel}}
| Female has larger hump
|-
|323
|[[Image:323.png]]
|[[Image:323 f.png]]
|{{p|Camerupt}}
| Female has larger humps
|-
|332
|[[Image:332.png]]
|[[Image:332 f.png]]
|{{p|Cacturne}}
| Female has larger diamond markings
|-
|350
|[[Image:350.png]]
|[[Image:350 f.png]]
|{{p|Milotic}}
| Female has larger eyebrows
|-
|369
|[[Image:369.png]]
|[[Image:369 f.png]]
|{{p|Relicanth}}
| Female has smaller jaws
|}

==Sinnoh evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|396
|[[Image:396.png]]
|[[Image:396 f.png]]
|{{p|Starly}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|397
|[[Image:397.png]]
|[[Image:397 f.png]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|398
|[[Image:398.png]]
|[[Image:398 f.png]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|399
|[[Image:399.png]]
|[[Image:399 f.png]]
|{{p|Bidoof}}
| Male has thicker tail
|-
|400
|[[Image:400.png]]
|[[Image:400 f.png]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
| Male has larger face
|-
|401
|[[Image:401 m.png]]
|[[Image:401 f.png]]
|{{p|Kricketot}}
| Female has larger collar
|-
|402
|[[Image:402.png]]
|[[Image:402 f.png]]
|{{p|Kricketune}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|403
|[[Image:403.png]]
|[[Image:403 f.png]]
|{{p|Shinx}}
| Female has shorter mane and blue hind feet
|-
|404
|[[Image:404.png]]
|[[Image:404 f.png]]
|{{p|Luxio}}
| Female has shorter mane and exposed ankle.
|-
|405
|[[Image:405.png]]
|[[Image:405 f.png]]
|{{p|Luxray}}
| Female has shorter mane.
|-
|412
|[[Image:412.png]]
|[[Image:412.png]]
|{{p|Burmy}}
| Female can evolve into {{p|Wormadam}}, male into {{p|Mothim}}.
|-
|415
|[[Image:415.png]]
|[[Image:415 f.png]]
|{{p|Combee}}
| Female has red spot and an open mouth, can evolve.
|-
|417
|[[Image:417.png]]
|[[Image:417_f.png]]
|{{p|Pachirisu}}
| Male has longer stripe on head
|-
|418
|[[Image:Spr b g4 418 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 418 f.png]]
|{{p|Buizel}}
| Male has two white spots on back, female only has one
|-
|419
|[[Image:Spr b g4 419 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 419 f.png]]
|{{p|Floatzel}}
| Male has two white spots on back, female only has one
|-
|443
|[[Image:443.png]]
|[[Image:443 f.png]]
|{{p|Gible}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|444
|[[Image:444.png]]
|[[Image:444 f.png]]
|{{p|Gabite}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|445
|[[Image:445.png]]
|[[Image:445 f.png]]
|{{p|Garchomp}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|449
|[[Image:449.png]]
|[[Image:449 f.png]]
|{{p|Hippopotas}}
| Male is beige, female is brown
|-
|450
|[[Image:450.png]]
|[[Image:450 f.png]]
|{{p|Hippowdon}}
| Male is brown, female is black
|-
|453
|[[Image:453.png]]
|[[Image:453 f.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
| Female has a smaller chest
|-
|454
|[[Image:454.png]]
|[[Image:454 f.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
| Male has a larger chin
|-
|456
|[[Image:456.png]]
|[[Image:456 f.png]]
|{{p|Finneon}}
| Female has a larger tail
|-
|457
|[[Image:457.png]]
|[[Image:457 f.png]]
|{{p|Lumineon}}
| Female has larger fins
|-
|459
|[[Image:459.png]]
|[[Image:459 f.png]]
|{{p|Snover}}
| Male has more brown on his midsection
|-
|460
|[[Image:460.png]]
|[[Image:460 f.png]]
|{{p|Abomasnow}}
| Male has shorter chest fur
|}

==See also==
{{pokelist}}
[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Variant Pokémon]]

List of Pokémon with gender differences

2008-07-16T22:19:39Z

King Elemento: Undo revision 412607 by King Elemento (Talk)

Differences between the genders of many species are apparent, not only in the real world, where animals like [[wp:cardinal (bird)|cardinal]]s have a brightly-colored male and a dull-colored female, but also in the [[Pokémon world]], where some species of Pokémon have a noticeable difference between the male and female of the species beginning in [[Generation IV]].

==Kanto evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|003
|[[Image:003.png]]
|[[Image:003 f.png]]
|{{p|Venusaur}}
| Female's flower has a seed in it
|-
|012
|[[Image:012.png]]
|[[Image:012 f.png]]
|{{p|Butterfree}}
| Female has black spots on bottom wings
|-
|019
|[[Image:019.png]]
|[[Image:019 f.png]]
|{{p|Rattata}}
| Female has smaller whiskers
|-
|020
|[[Image:020.png]]
|[[Image:020 f.png]]
|{{p|Raticate}}
| Female has smaller whiskers
|-
|025
|[[Image:025.png]]
|[[Image:025 f.png]]
|{{p|Pikachu}}
| Female has a heart-shaped tail
|-
|026
|[[Image:026.png]]
|[[Image:026 f.png]]
|{{p|Raichu}}
| Female's tail lacks a point
|-
|032 029
|[[Image:032.png]]
|[[Image:029.png]]
|[[Nidoran]]
| Female is bluish, male is pinkish, separate evolutionary lines
|-
|041
|[[Image:041.png]]
|[[Image:041 f.png]]
|{{p|Zubat}}
| Female has smaller teeth
|-
|042
|[[Image:042.png]]
|[[Image:042 f.png]]
|{{p|Golbat}}
| Female has smaller teeth
|-
|044
|[[Image:044.png]]
|[[Image:044 f.png]]
|{{p|Gloom}}
| Female has single spots on bud
|-
|045
|[[Image:045.png]]
|[[Image:045 f.png]]
|{{p|Vileplume}}
| Female has larger spots on petals
|-
|186
|[[Image:186.png]]
|[[Image:186 f.png]]
|{{p|Politoed}}
| Female has smaller cheeks
|-
|064
|[[Image:064.png]]
|[[Image:064 f.png]]
|{{p|Kadabra}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|065
|[[Image:065.png]]
|[[Image:065 f.png]]
|{{p|Alakazam}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|084
|[[Image:084.png]]
|[[Image:084 f.png]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
| Female has beige necks, male has black necks
|-
|085
|[[Image:085.png]]
|[[Image:085 f.png]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
| Female has beige necks, male has black necks
|-
|208
|[[Image:208.png]]
|[[Image:208 f.png]]
|{{p|Steelix}}
| Male has more outer teeth
|-
|097
|[[Image:097.png]]
|[[Image:097 f.png]]
|{{p|Hypno}}
| Female has larger collar
|-
|111
|[[Image:111.png]]
|[[Image:111 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhyhorn}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|112
|[[Image:112.png]]
|[[Image:112 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhydon}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|464
|[[Image:464.png]]
|[[Image:464 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhyperior}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|465
|[[Image:465.png]]
|[[Image:465 f.png]]
|{{p|Tangrowth}}
| Female has larger hands
|-
|118
|[[Image:118.png]]
|[[Image:118 f.png]]
|{{p|Goldeen}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|119
|[[Image:119.png]]
|[[Image:119 f.png]]
|{{p|Seaking}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|123
|[[Image:123.png]]
|[[Image:123 f.png]]
|{{p|Scyther}}
| Female has larger abdomen
|-
|212
|[[Image:212.png]]
|[[Image:212 f.png]]
|{{p|Scizor}}
| Female has larger abdomen
|-
|129
|[[Image:129.png]]
|[[Image:129 f.png]]
|{{p|Magikarp}}
| Female has white whiskers
|-
|130
|[[Image:130.png]]
|[[Image:130 f.png]]
|{{p|Gyarados}}
| Female has white whiskers
|}

==Johto evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|154
|[[Image:154.png]]
|[[Image:154 f.png]]
|{{p|Meganium}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|165
|[[Image:165.png]]
|[[Image:165 f.png]]
|{{p|Ledyba}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|166
|[[Image:166.png]]
|[[Image:166 f.png]]
|{{p|Ledian}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|178
|[[Image:178.png]]
|[[Image:178 f.png]]
|{{p|Xatu}}
| Female has less body stripes
|-
|185
|[[Image:185.png]]
|[[Image:185 f.png]]
|{{p|Sudowoodo}}
| Female has smaller head branches
|-
|190
|[[Image:190.png]]
|[[Image:190 f.png]]
|{{p|Aipom}}
| Female has longer hair
|-
|424
|[[Image:424.png]]
|[[Image:424 f.png]]
|{{p|Ambipom}}
| Female has longer hair
|-
|194
|[[Image:194.png]]
|[[Image:194 f.png]]
|{{p|Wooper}}
| Female has shorter antennae
|-
|195
|[[Image:195.png]]
|[[Image:195 f.png]]
|{{p|Quagsire}}
| Female has smaller back fins
|-
|198
|[[Image:198.png]]
|[[Image:198 f.png]]
|{{p|Murkrow}}
| Female has smaller hat
|-
|202
|[[Image:202.png]]
|[[Image:202 f.png]]
|{{p|Wobbuffet}}
| Female has lipstick
|-
|203
|[[Image:203.png]]
|[[Image:203 f.png]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
| Female has more yellow area
|-
|207
|[[Image:207.png]]
|[[Image:207 f.png]]
|{{p|Gligar}}
| Male has larger stinger
|-
|214
|[[Image:214.png]]
|[[Image:214 f.png]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
| Female has heart-shaped horn
|-
|215
|[[Image:215.png]]
|[[Image:215 f.png]]
|{{p|Sneasel}}
| Female has shorter ear feathers
|-
|461
|[[Image:461.png]]
|[[Image:461 f.png]]
|{{p|Weavile}}
| Female has shorter ear feathers
|-
|217
|[[Image:217.png]]
|[[Image:217 f.png]]
|{{p|Ursaring}}
| Female has longer shoulder hair
|-
|221
|[[Image:221.png]]
|[[Image:221 f.png]]
|{{p|Piloswine}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|-
|473
|[[Image:473.png]]
|[[Image:473 f.png]]
|{{p|Mamoswine}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|-
|224
|[[Image:224.png]]
|[[Image:224 f.png]]
|{{p|Octillery}}
| Female has smaller suction cups
|-
|229
|[[Image:229.png]]
|[[Image:229 f.png]]
|{{p|Houndoom}}
| Female has smaller and shorter horns
|-
|232
|[[Image:232.png]]
|[[Image:232 f.png]]
|{{p|Donphan}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|}

==Hoenn evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|255
|[[Image:Spr b g4 255 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 255 f.png]]
|{{p|Torchic}}
| Male has a black speck on its rear.
|-
|256
|[[Image:256.png]]
|[[Image:256 f.png]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
| Female has smaller head feathers
|-
|257
|[[Image:257.png]]
|[[Image:257 f.png]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
| Female has smaller head feathers
|-
|267
|[[Image:267.png]]
|[[Image:267 f.png]]
|{{p|Beautifly}}
| Female has smaller red spots
|-
|269
|[[Image:269.png]]
|[[Image:269 f.png]]
|{{p|Dustox}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|272
|[[Image:272.png]]
|[[Image:272 f.png]]
|{{p|Ludicolo}}
| Female has thinner stripes
|-
|274
|[[Image:274.png]]
|[[Image:274 f.png]]
|{{p|Nuzleaf}}
| Female has smaller head leaf
|-
|275
|[[Image:275.png]]
|[[Image:275 f.png]]
|{{p|Shiftry}}
| Female has smaller hand leaves
|-
|307
|[[Image:307.png]]
|[[Image:307 f.png]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
| Male has raised ears
|-
|308
|[[Image:308.png]]
|[[Image:308 f.png]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
| Male has larger head
|-
|315
|[[Image:315.png]]
|[[Image:315 f.png]]
|{{p|Roselia}}
| Female has longer leaves
|-
|407
|[[Image:407.png]]
|[[Image:407 f.png]]
|{{p|Roserade}}
| Female has longer cape
|-
|316
|[[Image:316.png]]
|[[Image:316 f.png]]
|{{p|Gulpin}}
| Female has shorter feather
|-
|317
|[[Image:317.png]]
|[[Image:317 f.png]]
|{{p|Swalot}}
| Female has shorter whiskers
|-
|322
|[[Image:322.png]]
|[[Image:322 f.png]]
|{{p|Numel}}
| Female has larger hump
|-
|323
|[[Image:323.png]]
|[[Image:323 f.png]]
|{{p|Camerupt}}
| Female has larger humps
|-
|332
|[[Image:332.png]]
|[[Image:332 f.png]]
|{{p|Cacturne}}
| Female has larger diamond markings
|-
|350
|[[Image:350.png]]
|[[Image:350 f.png]]
|{{p|Milotic}}
| Female has larger eyebrows
|-
|369
|[[Image:369.png]]
|[[Image:369 f.png]]
|{{p|Relicanth}}
| Female has smaller jaws
|}

==Sinnoh evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|396
|[[Image:396.png]]
|[[Image:396 f.png]]
|{{p|Starly}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|397
|[[Image:397.png]]
|[[Image:397 f.png]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|398
|[[Image:398.png]]
|[[Image:398 f.png]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|399
|[[Image:399.png]]
|[[Image:399 f.png]]
|{{p|Bidoof}}
| Male has thicker tail
|-
|400
|[[Image:400.png]]
|[[Image:400 f.png]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
| Male has larger face
|-
|401
|[[Image:401 m.png]]
|[[Image:401 f.png]]
|{{p|Kricketot}}
| Female has larger collar
|-
|402
|[[Image:402.png]]
|[[Image:402 f.png]]
|{{p|Kricketune}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|403
|[[Image:403.png]]
|[[Image:403 f.png]]
|{{p|Shinx}}
| Female has shorter mane and blue hind feet
|-
|404
|[[Image:404.png]]
|[[Image:404 f.png]]
|{{p|Luxio}}
| Female has shorter mane and exposed ankle.
|-
|405
|[[Image:405.png]]
|[[Image:405 f.png]]
|{{p|Luxray}}
| Female has shorter mane
|-
|412
|[[Image:412.png]]
|[[Image:412.png]]
|{{p|Burmy}}
| Female can evolve into {{p|Wormadam}}, male into {{p|Mothim}}. Also, female is able to change its form while the male cannot.
|-
|415
|[[Image:415.png]]
|[[Image:415 f.png]]
|{{p|Combee}}
| Female has red spot, can evolve
|-
|417
|[[Image:417.png]]
|[[Image:417_f.png]]
|{{p|Pachirisu}}
| Male has longer stripe on head
|-
|418
|[[Image:Spr b g4 418 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 418 f.png]]
|{{p|Buizel}}
| Male has two white spots on back, female only has one
|-
|419
|[[Image:Spr b g4 419 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 419 f.png]]
|{{p|Floatzel}}
| Male has two white spots on back, female only has one
|-
|443
|[[Image:443.png]]
|[[Image:443 f.png]]
|{{p|Gible}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|444
|[[Image:444.png]]
|[[Image:444 f.png]]
|{{p|Gabite}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|445
|[[Image:445.png]]
|[[Image:445 f.png]]
|{{p|Garchomp}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|449
|[[Image:449.png]]
|[[Image:449 f.png]]
|{{p|Hippopotas}}
| Male is beige, female is brown
|-
|450
|[[Image:450.png]]
|[[Image:450 f.png]]
|{{p|Hippowdon}}
| Male is brown, female is black
|-
|453
|[[Image:453.png]]
|[[Image:453 f.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
| Female has a smaller chest
|-
|454
|[[Image:454.png]]
|[[Image:454 f.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
| Male has a larger chin
|-
|456
|[[Image:456.png]]
|[[Image:456 f.png]]
|{{p|Finneon}}
| Female has a larger tail
|-
|457
|[[Image:457.png]]
|[[Image:457 f.png]]
|{{p|Lumineon}}
| Female has larger fins
|-
|459
|[[Image:459.png]]
|[[Image:459 f.png]]
|{{p|Snover}}
| Male has more brown on his midsection
|-
|460
|[[Image:460.png]]
|[[Image:460 f.png]]
|{{p|Abomasnow}}
| Male has shorter chest fur
|}

==See also==
{{pokelist}}
[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Variant Pokémon]]

List of Pokémon with gender differences

2008-07-16T22:16:31Z

King Elemento: /* Sinnoh evolution families */

Differences between the genders of many species are apparent, not only in the real world, where animals like [[wp:cardinal (bird)|cardinal]]s have a brightly-colored male and a dull-colored female, but also in the [[Pokémon world]], where some species of Pokémon have a noticeable difference between the male and female of the species beginning in [[Generation IV]].

==Kanto evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|003
|[[Image:003.png]]
|[[Image:003 f.png]]
|{{p|Venusaur}}
| Female's flower has a seed in it
|-
|012
|[[Image:012.png]]
|[[Image:012 f.png]]
|{{p|Butterfree}}
| Female has black spots on bottom wings
|-
|019
|[[Image:019.png]]
|[[Image:019 f.png]]
|{{p|Rattata}}
| Female has smaller whiskers
|-
|020
|[[Image:020.png]]
|[[Image:020 f.png]]
|{{p|Raticate}}
| Female has smaller whiskers
|-
|025
|[[Image:025.png]]
|[[Image:025 f.png]]
|{{p|Pikachu}}
| Female has a heart-shaped tail
|-
|026
|[[Image:026.png]]
|[[Image:026 f.png]]
|{{p|Raichu}}
| Female's tail lacks a point
|-
|032 029
|[[Image:032.png]]
|[[Image:029.png]]
|[[Nidoran]]
| Female is bluish, male is pinkish, separate evolutionary lines
|-
|041
|[[Image:041.png]]
|[[Image:041 f.png]]
|{{p|Zubat}}
| Female has smaller teeth
|-
|042
|[[Image:042.png]]
|[[Image:042 f.png]]
|{{p|Golbat}}
| Female has smaller teeth
|-
|044
|[[Image:044.png]]
|[[Image:044 f.png]]
|{{p|Gloom}}
| Female has single spots on bud
|-
|045
|[[Image:045.png]]
|[[Image:045 f.png]]
|{{p|Vileplume}}
| Female has larger spots on petals
|-
|186
|[[Image:186.png]]
|[[Image:186 f.png]]
|{{p|Politoed}}
| Female has smaller cheeks
|-
|064
|[[Image:064.png]]
|[[Image:064 f.png]]
|{{p|Kadabra}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|065
|[[Image:065.png]]
|[[Image:065 f.png]]
|{{p|Alakazam}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|084
|[[Image:084.png]]
|[[Image:084 f.png]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
| Female has beige necks, male has black necks
|-
|085
|[[Image:085.png]]
|[[Image:085 f.png]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
| Female has beige necks, male has black necks
|-
|208
|[[Image:208.png]]
|[[Image:208 f.png]]
|{{p|Steelix}}
| Male has more outer teeth
|-
|097
|[[Image:097.png]]
|[[Image:097 f.png]]
|{{p|Hypno}}
| Female has larger collar
|-
|111
|[[Image:111.png]]
|[[Image:111 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhyhorn}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|112
|[[Image:112.png]]
|[[Image:112 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhydon}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|464
|[[Image:464.png]]
|[[Image:464 f.png]]
|{{p|Rhyperior}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|465
|[[Image:465.png]]
|[[Image:465 f.png]]
|{{p|Tangrowth}}
| Female has larger hands
|-
|118
|[[Image:118.png]]
|[[Image:118 f.png]]
|{{p|Goldeen}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|119
|[[Image:119.png]]
|[[Image:119 f.png]]
|{{p|Seaking}}
| Female has smaller horn
|-
|123
|[[Image:123.png]]
|[[Image:123 f.png]]
|{{p|Scyther}}
| Female has larger abdomen
|-
|212
|[[Image:212.png]]
|[[Image:212 f.png]]
|{{p|Scizor}}
| Female has larger abdomen
|-
|129
|[[Image:129.png]]
|[[Image:129 f.png]]
|{{p|Magikarp}}
| Female has white whiskers
|-
|130
|[[Image:130.png]]
|[[Image:130 f.png]]
|{{p|Gyarados}}
| Female has white whiskers
|}

==Johto evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|154
|[[Image:154.png]]
|[[Image:154 f.png]]
|{{p|Meganium}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|165
|[[Image:165.png]]
|[[Image:165 f.png]]
|{{p|Ledyba}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|166
|[[Image:166.png]]
|[[Image:166 f.png]]
|{{p|Ledian}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|178
|[[Image:178.png]]
|[[Image:178 f.png]]
|{{p|Xatu}}
| Female has less body stripes
|-
|185
|[[Image:185.png]]
|[[Image:185 f.png]]
|{{p|Sudowoodo}}
| Female has smaller head branches
|-
|190
|[[Image:190.png]]
|[[Image:190 f.png]]
|{{p|Aipom}}
| Female has longer hair
|-
|424
|[[Image:424.png]]
|[[Image:424 f.png]]
|{{p|Ambipom}}
| Female has longer hair
|-
|194
|[[Image:194.png]]
|[[Image:194 f.png]]
|{{p|Wooper}}
| Female has shorter antennae
|-
|195
|[[Image:195.png]]
|[[Image:195 f.png]]
|{{p|Quagsire}}
| Female has smaller back fins
|-
|198
|[[Image:198.png]]
|[[Image:198 f.png]]
|{{p|Murkrow}}
| Female has smaller hat
|-
|202
|[[Image:202.png]]
|[[Image:202 f.png]]
|{{p|Wobbuffet}}
| Female has lipstick
|-
|203
|[[Image:203.png]]
|[[Image:203 f.png]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
| Female has more yellow area
|-
|207
|[[Image:207.png]]
|[[Image:207 f.png]]
|{{p|Gligar}}
| Male has larger stinger
|-
|214
|[[Image:214.png]]
|[[Image:214 f.png]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
| Female has heart-shaped horn
|-
|215
|[[Image:215.png]]
|[[Image:215 f.png]]
|{{p|Sneasel}}
| Female has shorter ear feathers
|-
|461
|[[Image:461.png]]
|[[Image:461 f.png]]
|{{p|Weavile}}
| Female has shorter ear feathers
|-
|217
|[[Image:217.png]]
|[[Image:217 f.png]]
|{{p|Ursaring}}
| Female has longer shoulder hair
|-
|221
|[[Image:221.png]]
|[[Image:221 f.png]]
|{{p|Piloswine}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|-
|473
|[[Image:473.png]]
|[[Image:473 f.png]]
|{{p|Mamoswine}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|-
|224
|[[Image:224.png]]
|[[Image:224 f.png]]
|{{p|Octillery}}
| Female has smaller suction cups
|-
|229
|[[Image:229.png]]
|[[Image:229 f.png]]
|{{p|Houndoom}}
| Female has smaller and shorter horns
|-
|232
|[[Image:232.png]]
|[[Image:232 f.png]]
|{{p|Donphan}}
| Female has smaller tusks
|}

==Hoenn evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|255
|[[Image:Spr b g4 255 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 255 f.png]]
|{{p|Torchic}}
| Male has a black speck on its rear.
|-
|256
|[[Image:256.png]]
|[[Image:256 f.png]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
| Female has smaller head feathers
|-
|257
|[[Image:257.png]]
|[[Image:257 f.png]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
| Female has smaller head feathers
|-
|267
|[[Image:267.png]]
|[[Image:267 f.png]]
|{{p|Beautifly}}
| Female has smaller red spots
|-
|269
|[[Image:269.png]]
|[[Image:269 f.png]]
|{{p|Dustox}}
| Female has smaller antennae
|-
|272
|[[Image:272.png]]
|[[Image:272 f.png]]
|{{p|Ludicolo}}
| Female has thinner stripes
|-
|274
|[[Image:274.png]]
|[[Image:274 f.png]]
|{{p|Nuzleaf}}
| Female has smaller head leaf
|-
|275
|[[Image:275.png]]
|[[Image:275 f.png]]
|{{p|Shiftry}}
| Female has smaller hand leaves
|-
|307
|[[Image:307.png]]
|[[Image:307 f.png]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
| Male has raised ears
|-
|308
|[[Image:308.png]]
|[[Image:308 f.png]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
| Male has larger head
|-
|315
|[[Image:315.png]]
|[[Image:315 f.png]]
|{{p|Roselia}}
| Female has longer leaves
|-
|407
|[[Image:407.png]]
|[[Image:407 f.png]]
|{{p|Roserade}}
| Female has longer cape
|-
|316
|[[Image:316.png]]
|[[Image:316 f.png]]
|{{p|Gulpin}}
| Female has shorter feather
|-
|317
|[[Image:317.png]]
|[[Image:317 f.png]]
|{{p|Swalot}}
| Female has shorter whiskers
|-
|322
|[[Image:322.png]]
|[[Image:322 f.png]]
|{{p|Numel}}
| Female has larger hump
|-
|323
|[[Image:323.png]]
|[[Image:323 f.png]]
|{{p|Camerupt}}
| Female has larger humps
|-
|332
|[[Image:332.png]]
|[[Image:332 f.png]]
|{{p|Cacturne}}
| Female has larger diamond markings
|-
|350
|[[Image:350.png]]
|[[Image:350 f.png]]
|{{p|Milotic}}
| Female has larger eyebrows
|-
|369
|[[Image:369.png]]
|[[Image:369 f.png]]
|{{p|Relicanth}}
| Female has smaller jaws
|}

==Sinnoh evolution families==
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! rowspan="2" | [[List of Pokémon by National Dex number|#]]
! colspan="2" | Sprite
! rowspan="2" | Name
! rowspan="2" | Difference
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Male
! Female
|-
|396
|[[Image:396.png]]
|[[Image:396 f.png]]
|{{p|Starly}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|397
|[[Image:397.png]]
|[[Image:397 f.png]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|398
|[[Image:398.png]]
|[[Image:398 f.png]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
| Male has larger forehead
|-
|399
|[[Image:399.png]]
|[[Image:399 f.png]]
|{{p|Bidoof}}
| Male has thicker tail
|-
|400
|[[Image:400.png]]
|[[Image:400 f.png]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
| Male has larger face
|-
|401
|[[Image:401 m.png]]
|[[Image:401 f.png]]
|{{p|Kricketot}}
| Female has larger collar
|-
|402
|[[Image:402.png]]
|[[Image:402 f.png]]
|{{p|Kricketune}}
| Female has smaller mustache
|-
|403
|[[Image:403.png]]
|[[Image:403 f.png]]
|{{p|Shinx}}
| Female has shorter mane and blue hind feet
|-
|404
|[[Image:404.png]]
|[[Image:404 f.png]]
|{{p|Luxio}}
| Female has shorter mane and exposed ankle.
|-
|405
|[[Image:405.png]]
|[[Image:405 f.png]]
|{{p|Luxray}}
| Female has shorter mane
|-
|412
|[[Image:412.png]]
|[[Image:412.png]]
|{{p|Burmy}}
| Female can evolve into {{p|Wormadam}}, male into {{p|Mothim}}.
|-
|415
|[[Image:415.png]]
|[[Image:415 f.png]]
|{{p|Combee}}
| Female has red spot, can evolve
|-
|417
|[[Image:417.png]]
|[[Image:417_f.png]]
|{{p|Pachirisu}}
| Male has longer stripe on head
|-
|418
|[[Image:Spr b g4 418 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 418 f.png]]
|{{p|Buizel}}
| Male has two white spots on back, female only has one
|-
|419
|[[Image:Spr b g4 419 m.png]]
|[[Image:Spr b g4 419 f.png]]
|{{p|Floatzel}}
| Male has two white spots on back, female only has one
|-
|443
|[[Image:443.png]]
|[[Image:443 f.png]]
|{{p|Gible}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|444
|[[Image:444.png]]
|[[Image:444 f.png]]
|{{p|Gabite}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|445
|[[Image:445.png]]
|[[Image:445 f.png]]
|{{p|Garchomp}}
| Male has a grooved fin
|-
|449
|[[Image:449.png]]
|[[Image:449 f.png]]
|{{p|Hippopotas}}
| Male is beige, female is brown
|-
|450
|[[Image:450.png]]
|[[Image:450 f.png]]
|{{p|Hippowdon}}
| Male is brown, female is black
|-
|453
|[[Image:453.png]]
|[[Image:453 f.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
| Female has a smaller chest
|-
|454
|[[Image:454.png]]
|[[Image:454 f.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
| Male has a larger chin
|-
|456
|[[Image:456.png]]
|[[Image:456 f.png]]
|{{p|Finneon}}
| Female has a larger tail
|-
|457
|[[Image:457.png]]
|[[Image:457 f.png]]
|{{p|Lumineon}}
| Female has larger fins
|-
|459
|[[Image:459.png]]
|[[Image:459 f.png]]
|{{p|Snover}}
| Male has more brown on his midsection
|-
|460
|[[Image:460.png]]
|[[Image:460 f.png]]
|{{p|Abomasnow}}
| Male has shorter chest fur
|}

==See also==
{{pokelist}}
[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Variant Pokémon]]

Talk:First partner Pokémon/Archive 1

2008-06-23T21:01:51Z

King Elemento: /* Johto Starter Question */ new section

==Normal Starters==
Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the "main" games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.
::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Exactly. And that's why we have the "special starters" section. They are starters, but not as much so as the "main game" ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

== Shiny Starters ==

Is it possible to get a shiny starter? - [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 4:07, 02 August 2007 (GMT)
:Yes, but it's just as rare as seeing one in the wild. --[[User:Fragment|Fragment]] 15:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

== To add to Trivia ==

I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.
:Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== To Remove from Trivia ==
"Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type." This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that "usually" is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are "usually" one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type2|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==

Just saying buy uh.. You guys but every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?
:Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Colosseum elemental starters ==

Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat "starter" Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you "you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Obediance ==

I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow "catch" a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Johto Starter Question ==

Does filling the Hoeen Dex for the Johto Starters in Emerald include getting Jirachi and Deoxys, or is it just the first 200 in said Dex? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 21:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Version-exclusive Pokémon/Archive1

2008-06-12T17:56:05Z

King Elemento: /* Hmmm.. */

<big>NEXT PERSON WHO COMMENTS ON THE "OH GLAMEOW IS PEARL ONLY WHY IS IT UNDER DIAMOND" OR SOME EQUIVALENT GETS BANNED. READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE LOOKING AT THE PICTURES.</big> Thanks! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
----
__TOC__
[18:14:03] <Shinoabisu> Cat with long neck is in the wild.
[18:14:05] <CassSept> :S
[18:14:09] <CassSept> you saw it?
[18:14:10] <CassSept> in pearl?
[18:14:18] <Shinoabisu> No, but dex says so.

^-- would mean the pedia is wrong about Nyaruuma (and Bunyatto) not being in Pearl x)
:I think the format of this list caused confusion - from what I've heard, Nyarumā and Bunyatto are exclusive ''to'' Pearl, not from... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 05:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The following need to be moved from ''Diamond'' to ''Pearl.''
- Glameow / Purugly
- Shieldon / Bastiodon
- Misdreavus / Mismagius

From what I can tell the whole list needs to be switched around (Diamond = Pearl and visa versa).
:That's because they're the Pokémon that are '''missing''' from the version in question, for all of them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay - now i feel stupid. Still, doesn't this seem a little backwards? It seems more natural to look for what you have and not what you're missing. That's probably just me. - kuja
:Eh, true, but then we'd encounter a problem when it comes to the third versions. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I caught a [[Murkrow]] in [[Eterna Forest]] in Pokémon Diamond ... Actually now that I think about it I ''did'' have Pokémon LeafGreen in the GBA Slot. Hmm ... Whetever. <big>[[Image:Ani137MS.gif]] [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']] [[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|TALK]] [[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] [[User:Tesh/Sandbox|SAND]]</big> 16:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Everything still need to be flipped around in FireRed and Leaf Green I fixed it --[[User:23-03-33|Tommy]] 04:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:No no no no no! That's not how it works! {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281s}} 04:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:: Um...The Pokemon in Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue team need to be switched around. All of them. --[[User:Chimchar007|Chimchar007]] 4:02, 10 April 2008
:::No, they do not. Did you even read the disclaimer? The tables show the Pokémon that are '''''missing''''' from the games in question. It's ignorance like this that caused the page to end up protected in the first place. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hey, um... ==

I'm protecting this, simply because no one wants to read the disclaimer that "the Pokémon listed below are '''''MISSING''''' from that particular game, and will need to be traded from a game ''within the same generation'' that does not list them." I boldened it, nothing. So I'm gonna protect it for... oh, a year. Any comments? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, it's not as if it needs updates nearly as much as the [[List of AG episodes]] did when it had to be protected. People won't magically start reading the bold before editing in the next year, though.
:This is a good time to bring up an issue I have with the colours of the tables, though. Black on black? Seriously? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::True, next time an update is needed is when GSDS or DPv3 comes out. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::...which, DPv3 probably won't come out until 2009, and GSDS might not be planned{{tt|.|...even though I totally believe it is. Hopin for the GS Ball and some soft-resetting..}} [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Either way, it'll be a while. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Correction: ==

Vulpix/Ninetales is not in Pokémon Gold. Vulpix/Ninetales is in Silver/Crystal. Growlithe/Arcanine's in Gold.
:Fail. Read the page. The bold text. You know. The whole REASON why this page got protected. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 02:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, yes. I noticed that mistake. My bad. Forget I said anything. [[User:Chikoquil|Chikoquil]]

== Suggestion ==

May I suggest a color change? The blue on black is somewhat hard to read. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 23:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:You think blue on black is bad? The Mystery Dungeon sections have ''black'' on black! It's basically unreadable unless you highlight! I second this color change! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm.. ==

I think the confusion is due to the title of the Article... why don't you change it to "Pokémon missings in versions" or something like that? It sure is no big deal but... i just feel like annoying a little bit 8)
:It might be, but there's no good way to do that. "Pokémon that are uncatchable in certain versions" just doesn't sound good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::How 'bout Version-exlcuded Pokémon? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 17:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Real professional ==

Could we get a clean-up on this article? it looks like it's completely hacked, or an editor totally lost it. - PDL

Oh wait, nevermind, people are too retarded about things, disregard what I said. - PDL
:Eeeexactly. People were too dumb to read the article and skipped straight down to the list and are all "LOL KYOOGRZ IN SAFIRE NOT RUBBY ILL FICKS IT". So, protected, and even THAT didn't stop the stupid questions coming in. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

So what's going to happen when Platinum is released in September? semi-protection? - PDL
:There is no need to reduce the protection level on this one. A sysop can add the list when we get it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's kinda funny how this whole shiploz could have been avoid if the titles of each field had "Not in (version name)". Or is there a particular reason why it hasn't been done. - PDL

== Surskit and Lotad ==

Shouldn't it be mentioned that if you mix records with Emerald and Ruby/Sapphire, outbreaks can happen in one game that usually only happen in the other? For example, I mixed records between Sapphire and Emerald. In Emerald, I could from then on get Surskit outbreaks, and there'd be the odd Seedot swarm in Sapphire. Shouldn't any of this be mentioned? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 01:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Trio master

2008-06-02T22:00:22Z

King Elemento: /* Arceus */

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

Talk:Tier/Archive 1

2008-05-30T02:04:20Z

King Elemento: /* Apparently, there's something WRONG with the note at the bottom of the page... */

*NOTE*: Before you make comments on a pokemons' tier, be sure the conditions are fair. Lower ranked pokemon can beat higher ranked pokemon. This does not mean the tiers need to be fixed. Just because a Butterfree can KO Heracross with Arial Ace does not mean that either pokemon is in the wrong tier. Thank you.

Does this even belong? I mean, sure, it's a good idea to have it, but... eh, I dunno. Either way, in the current state, the article is pretty crappy. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Are you sure about this? ==

As far as I can tell, by watching YouTube videos of Wi-Fi PBR battles, there are not this many tiers, and some Pokémon seem to be placed wrong. I've watched hundreds of battles, and not once have I seen an Aggron or Victreebel, both of which are listed as moderately used. On the other hand, I've seen lots of Pidgeot and Pachirisu, which are both in the never-used category according to this page. Who determined this list, and how did they determine it? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

* I believe it was based off some list posted at some website. I don't know which one. But at any rate, there are three things to consider. One, the rate at which things are used are not equal to how high something is on the tier list. Two, opinions of what goes into what tier vary. For instance, Smogon generally agrees Manaphy is uber tier. Third, technically, it is too early in the competitive battling scene to make a proper, full, tier list. In fact, for that reason alone, I believe this article should be deleted or at least changed to descriptions of each tier only until that time comes. [[User:System Error|System Error]] <nowiki></nowiki> 06:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::The site was probably Smogon, if you're wondering. Tiers are based mostly off of base stats, types and move pools for each Pokémon. For example, Skarmory is placed in Over Used because of its ability to take a hit and stay standing, due to high Defense and the Steel/Flying types, and its varied move pool. Also, I've never really seen a moderately used tier before, but it makes sense, especially after the changes to game play Diamond and Pearl have made. As a final note, I have also noticed that tiers change rapidly, based on current trends, play styles, and new discoveries. To make the article more accurate and appropriate, we could add a section on controversies, noting such debates as whether Manaphy, Celebi or Tyranitar qualify as Uber or not, and which Pokémon seem to hover between Overused and Borderline. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 00:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

* Also in the recent rush of Trick-Disable pokemon, pokemon such as Kecleon and Mr. Mime have gained a significant boost. I would say MU is fitting for these pokemon. And Sceptile could easily be BL since Worry Seed on Slaking was discovered. These two examples show how in the time between the creation of this list, and now, the metagame has already changed. Also from my personal standpoint, I have seen hundreds of Castforms being used efficiently
User: KarpiFloodcheck 11:55 26 August 2007

*Well, the Sceptile Worry seed trick, to my knowledge, only works in 2-on-2 battles right? The tier list is normally based only on single battles, and the list would have to change quite a lot to be accurate for doubles. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Edits ==

I'm pretty sure Sudowoodo is UU or even MU due to his nice attack and defence stats and decent movepool.
<ab>
Because Porygon2 has higher defensive stats than Porygon-Z, he is still a useable option, probably MU.
Wynaut only has 95 base HP, and can usually be beaten in OU. The reason It's usually classed as Uber is because of the fact that if two Wynauts/Wobbuffets meet, the battle is an automatic draw. So the question is, do we want him out of the picture, or allowed in OU and hope that you don't see another?
There are a few decent pokemon listed as OU, that I'm pretty sure are BL, especially on this list, due to the presence of the MU category. These include:
Donphan (Good but questionable)
Dusknoir (Questionable)
Machamp (Slow, generally outclassed by Lucario and Heracross (among others)
Magnezone (4x weakness to the most common offensive type there is.)
Mamoswine (Thought he was MU to be honest)
Medicham (Not bad, but not exactly great either)
Milotic (Outclassed by Suicune.)
Ninjask (the baton passer was a Gen III fad that nobody knew how to deal with. People are wiser now.)
Slowbro (Not sure why he's BL to be honest, good stats, good movepool, and somewhat unpredictable. Suffers from "four-moveslot-syndrome though, this guy has at least ten great moves he could be using. He's probably considered too slow and it's hard to find a spare slot for Trick Room)
Staraptor (Too many weaknesses and not enough defences. He has great attack but he shares his speed with too many others and trails behind many OUs as well.)
Umbreon (This guy was near unbeatable back in Gen III, but didn't get any upgrades from the generation shift that the sweepers got. He is much tougher to use now.)
Weezing (is a good pokemon but is outclassed by Skarmory.)
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</ab>
:Hey, don't complain to US. We didn't come up with the crappy idea of tiers. So blah. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
<ab>
1. As far as I'm concerned, Sudowoodo is UU
2. P2 is BL, not MU due to that fact
3. No one is really sure on Wynaut. Some say Uber, some say OU, some even say UU/NU.
4. Hi Garchomp, watch me Ice Shard AND it is one of the best Spinners in the game
5. High defense, Attack, Immunity to most spinners, and Elemental Punches to smack 'em back.
6. Have YOU ever eaten a No Guard DynamicPunch?
7. Hi Skarmory, stay a while, eat a ThunderBolt
8. Okaaaaaaaaaaay, High Attack, good Typing, and Access to two of the most offensive types. Say ByeBye
Garchomp/Salamence/others.
9. Two words. Pure. Power.
10. Rest+Marvel Scale=Not Pretty
11. So people can deal with it. Passing Speed Boost and Swords Dance can be quite scary.
12. Okay. Probably one of the best Bulky Waters in the game. SlackOff, Ice Beam, Surf, Psychic, is on of the best movesets.
Who needs Speed when you have bulk? If what you say is the case, Blissey and 'Zong should be MU also, Eh?
13. First statement that makes sense.
14. Physical dark moves isn't a bonus?
15. Only weak to psychic, Explode, Sludge Bomb. Skar. Weak to Electric and Fire, PHazer with Spikes and Roar/Whirlwind. Need I say more?
</ab>

Any more Questions? Oh. And one more thing, THERE IS NO MU TIER! There is Uber, OU, UU, and NU. BL's are OU's but are used less.(This is why I loooooooooooooooooooove reading Smogon.) [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I dunno what's up with the MU tier here, but anyways:

1. Agreed

2. Prob agreed

3. Agreed

4. He is a great spinner, but so are Starmie and Claydol. Being able to counter three OUs with Ice Shard isn't enough to qualify him alone.

5. Perhaps.

6. DynamicPunch is fun on 'Champ, especially combined with Stone Edge. However, if he's using it, he gives Dusknoir/Gengar a free switch in, and then they nail him with Will-O-Wisp. Not to mention the PP problems he will encounter. And as previously stated, he is simply too slow. Even with absolute max speed, a Jolly Scarf-Champ can't outrun a Jolly/Timid Infernape (and upward) or an Adamant Weavile (among others). I suppose, however, that in BL a Scarf-Champ could devastate all opposition so maybe OU is right.

7. Yea, he tears right through Skarmory, as well as Choice Metagross after it uses Meteor Mash. Unfortunetly, he's not good at much else.

8. Mamoswine isn't bad, but his speed is mediocre and his strongest physical Ice attack is Avalanch/Ice Fang. His movepool isn't great but since I just realized that he can learn Stone Edge he may be OU after all.

9. Pure Power is nice, putting his max attack at a whopping 480 (just a notch above Rampardos), however that requires an Adamant nature, leaving him at only 284 speed. His movepool isn't great either, and he's usually stuck with High Jump Kick as his fighting STAB and Psycho Cut as his Psychic. His other two attacks can be: Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Bulk Up, or Rock Slide (No Stone Edge). Unfortunatly, he has poor defences, so a faster pokemon with Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse and good Sp Attack(Alakazam, for instance) can OHKO. Further, since Psychic resists both STABs and Medicham can't learn Night Slash (or other Ghost/Dark physical moves), bulky Psychics (like Claydol, but watch for Ice Punch, or Slowbro, barring ThunderPunch) can wall him.

10. Rest has the unfortunate side effect of putting Milotic to sleep. Giving the opponent two turns to do whatever he wants to your Milotic is never healthy. I can already see the Gyrarados switching in, taunting and Ddancing.

11. The problem with Ninjask using swords dance is that he can be OHKOd by any solid attack, due to his miserable defences. It is therefore tricky to get the Swords Dance in without taking a big hit. He can be used well with a set like this, however: Baton Pass, Protect, Substitute, X-Scissor. This is normally passed to a pokemon with nice Attack/Sp. Attack, but poor Speed (such as Heracross).

12. Yea, Slowbro is super-cool, but defensively, he has quite a few common weaknesses: Electric, Grass, and Ghost/Dark. Your set doesn't have Calm Mind, and most Special attackers carry at least one of those types. Slowbro just can't voer everything it needs to with only four move-slots. However, it is certainly possible for him to be OU.

13. Yea, to me it seems a lot of people overrate this guy.

14. Physical dark move isn't a bonus when your base attack is 65.

15. Attacking isn't his specialty, due to low speed and mediocre offenses. Used defensively, he is too easy to beat with Special attacks because of 65 base HP and Pain Split as his best recovery move.

Also got a new one for you. Articuno. He is a real dipstick as a pokemon of course, however he learns the devastating combo Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. I believe he is usually classed BL (or MU here) but with this combo, many people say he can be used fairly in the Uber environment, because most Ubers can normally KO him with two attacks anyway. What do you think? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 18:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

4. However, Its weaknessess, Grass, Water ,and Ice. Starmie: Grass, Electric, Ghost, Dark, and Bug. Claydol: Bug, Ghost, Grass, Dark, Water, and Ice. See a trend?

6. Maybe BL, but I look at the Definition. "BL Pokémon are stong enough to compete in OU, but the only difference is usage."

7. BL maybe, since it isn't used much. However, Magnezone has the defense to withstand a couple physical attacks and 13 resistances.

9. Or 426, since it is EXTREMELY RARE to see a 'cham sans scarf

10. Do you know what Marvel Scale does? 'dos doesn't have a Physical SE attack. It can learn Thunder/bolt, but wait! 60 Base Sp. Atk? I don't think so. Oh. And there is this wonderful Move called Sleep Talk. Helps bunches.

11. Magical Item, Focus Sash. Swords dance, get the speed boost, and get the heck out!

12. OR: Calm Mind, Surf, Psychic, Slackoff, you lose your coverage against Dragons, but Ice Beam is so common anyway.

14. Better than 60 Sp. Atk. It can wish, Toxic, and Annoy beyond recognition.

15. Yes, but One weakness sans Gravity/Iron orb helps bunches

Articuno. You know, most tourneys don't allow that kind of crud. Articuno is a one trick pony, with its trick being banned 99.9% of the time.

Good day [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic's Marvel Scale doubles his defence, it's true; however, after a few Ddances, Dos will have insane Att and Speed, and after a Taunt, Milotic won't be able to use rest or recover anyway (will he be allowed Sleep Talk? Unsure). He'll be forced to use Surf or Ice beam (or whatever, she doesn't learn any Electric attacks anyway) against Gyrados' good HP and SP Def.

Ninjask with Focus Sash could be interesting... but he'll only be useable once. Also, if the opponent has any priority move, 'Jask will be KOd before it can BPass.

For Umbreon, is 65 Attack really any better than 60 Sp Attack? Either way, your attacks won't do any damage. This guy is used exactly the way he was in the previous generation:Mean Look, BPass, Toxic, Wish/Moonlight. He's another guy who could use ten moveslots, for things like Taunt, Substitute and Confuse Ray.

Agreed on Articuno lol. But I do think he's allowed in Ubers with Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. Maybe he should be on the list twice with a footnote?
[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic would still probably be BL though.

There are 8 or nine priority moves. Most Ninjask are leads. I'm a little curious. How common are priority moves on leads? What are the chances? If it's not a lead, UU definitely, but Ninjask that AREN'T leads are slim to none.

Like I said, "ANNOYER"!

IF, and that is a mighty big IF, Crud like that is allowed, Smeargle, believe it or not does a better job, since it can trap, sleep, read, and OHKO. ANYTHING with Mind Reader/OHKO Move could be considered Uber due to your logic.

[[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 20:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic: At least BL, no argument there.

I don't know exactly how common priotity moves are on leads, but I do know that Weavile is very often used as a lead and frequently carries Ice Shard.

Umbreon... Are we arguing or agreeing on him? I'm lost lol.

So, should Smeargle and Articuno be in their respective classes, with a note about Uber? I think they're the only ones who get that combo. (Game Freak probably just gave it to Articuno because they felt sorry for him lol.)[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought most Weavile leads had Ice Punch, but I could be wrong, and just because something is counterable doesn't make it awful.

lol, I'm not sure, I know we started arguing, then I said 65 is better than 60, or annoyer. then you said it was an annoyer, so I think we agreed.

Ummm, no. just becaus something can do mind reader/OHKO, does not mean it's uber. Most of the Pokémon with both move means they have horrible stats. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The thing about Weavile is that it has five great moves: Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Pursuit, and Ice Shard (Occasionally they carry Aerial Ace, Focus Punch or Swords Dance as well). Of those five moves, All Weavile will have at least three. It actually isn't rare to see a Weavile with both Ice Punch and Ice Shard. Ninjask is probably a decent opener overall if you pair it with the right pokemon (Heracross, physical Infernape, etc.).

Ok, so Umbreon = good annoyer, but not as good as in Gen III (What a shame, mine dominated the Battle Tower). 65 really is no better than 60 though, as he isn't attacking anyways.

You're probably right on Articuno and Smeargle, though. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Tropius is NU? ==

Does that mean I've used an NU Pokémon to beat the Elite Four in Emerald? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Elite four don't have anything to do with the tier list. Face it: they've got brains of cow droppings. This list is solely applicable in player vs player single battles.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

===Dewgong!===
Dewgong shouldn't be NU either. I used it in the Battle Tower to beat a Dragonite '''and''' a Garchomp in one move each, and they're both OU. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 18:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hate to say it but Dewgong is NU. He has a horrible movepool and some sad stats. And hello? Dragonite and Garchomp both have 4x weaknesses to it's STAB attack! How could it not OHKO?[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hydration + Rest? In a rain dance party, that thing can be a bitch.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Whoa. I overlooked Hydration. I suppose his moveset will always be Surf/Ice Beam/Rain Dance/Rest simply because he's got no other moves. Of course, this makes him really predictable (never a good thing) as he can't use any choice items or anything different really. His type coverage won't be great since water and ice don't really mesh, and a simple bulky water will easily wall him. Let's not forget that his base special attack and speed are still only 70, and his defences are slightly better, and 90 hits, 80 def, and 95 spec def. To be honest, however, it still appears that he can hold against most pokémon. I'm still looking for an outright flaw that totally ruins him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

===HUNTAIL?! PARASECT?!===
{{p|Huntail}}??? NU???? In what fantasy dream realm is a Pokémon with base 104 Attack, STAB {{m|Waterfall}}, base 105 Defense, base 75 Special Defense, base 94 Special Attack, STAB {{m|Surf}}, and a possible 446 Speed stat in rainy weather, not to MENTION its other move options: {{m|Ice Beam}}, {{m|Ice Fang}}, {{m|Crunch}}, and even {{m|Aqua Tail}}, in NU? Huntail can wipe the floor with the NU tier!
And Parasect! Base 95 attack, base 80 defenses, and such low speed that it can outspeed countless opponents in {{m|Trick Room}} conditions, Access to {{m|Cross Poison}}, {{m|X-Scissor}} (with STAB, no less!), and {{m|Spore}}, the most reliable sleep-inducing move in the game, and it's NU? I don't think so. Kinda like a Trick Room-friendly {{p|Crobat}} with a [[Spore (move)|more reliable version]] of {{m|Hypnosis}}, and more Attack.[[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 19:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Huntail has miserable speed and hitpoints, and his movepool's pretty sad. Using Waterfall and Ice Fang, your attacks have lower power, or using Surf and Ice Beam, your offensive stat are lower. Although to some point, I must agree, he could be UU, he'd just be a bottom-of-the-rung UU.
Parasect also has poor hitpoints and horrible typing. As most experienced gamers will know, fire- and flying- types are rare in the OU environment, due to weaknesses (*cough* Charizard/Moltres), poor movepools (Ninetails/Swellow), poor stat distribution (*cough* Flareon/Entei *cough*) and poor type coverage. They are usually stuck in UU and NU with Parasect, who happens to have a 4x weakness to both types. Parasect could be fun with Trick room, but how many Trick Room users do you see in NU? He also has problems with his abilities. With Dry Skin, you're essentially increasing his water resistance, but why do you need it? Parasect would also have some SunnyBeaming possibilities, but not with Dry Skin. Further, it turns his 4x fire weakness into an 8x fire weakness. Therefore, Effect Spore is a necessity. However, with Effect spore, if the opponent is hit with a condition, you can no longer use Spore to put him to sleep. Parasect going to be NU for a long time.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In a double battle situation, Parasect with dry skin double resists earthquake and is healed by surf. That right there is well worth having.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The list, however, is totally unrelated to doubles. Even then, the doubles environment is really suited more toward fast hard-hitters like Weavile and Infernape, and pokémon with 95 attack and a miserable 30 speed really shouldn't be used. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Protected page, please==
Any smhuck(no offense) can edit this and say their pokemon is uber, etc. Discussion like this should be relegated to the forums, where such discussion does not interfere. Somethign along the lines of the smashboard forums, that relegate smash characters, (periodically updated here by an admin) would work nicely imo.[[User:Dark0805|Dark0805]] 14:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it should be protected, but it should be accurate first, I would think. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:I'm talking to TTEchdina right now and I'm suggesting it to him......--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

==Delete It==
There is no official tier list. Many people/websites have their own tier lists. For example, some people say that Wynaut is Uber, while some say that it is BL. What is up with that? Obviously, the Tier List has no true content. May we delete it?

:Hold you're horses, Cowboy! Before putting a ''Delete'' tag on it, ask other users about what they think. This is like the [[Bulbapedia:The Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot]]. Many people think that it should be delete, yet some do not. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::I kinda think that we should delete it. After all, this is one of the things that people could put their own shit in it (Along with the Great Turkey Shoot. That page is a steaming pile of crap now, thanks to people overreacting to vandals. :/) and.. yeah. Although, if many people think that we should keep it, protect it instead from either new members or only admins. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm for deleting it too, it's a unofficial fan list that may have too many errors in it. Plus there is no official list since it was fan-made.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 17:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Lol. I could care less for both this page and the Turkey Shoot. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Tiers are just a bunch of bullsh*t anyway. I've had my Glaceon kick a Garchomp's a$$ countless times, and they say that Glaceon is UU/BL? Pssshh. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, mine did too! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC) XD
:::Now do we all agree to delete it?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Either that or move it to the Appendix.'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think we should do that.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's totally fanon. Appendix...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess...[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

No way should it be deleted! This is probably the most important list ever for the competitive battler! It does need some work though.

:I think that it should <strike>be deleted</strike>. Well, now that I see that it is in Appendix, I guess it could stay. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::By the way, the Appendix namespace is for 'useless' stuff, seeing as many scientists think that the {{wp|Appendix}} is useless...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Yea, I know. And sometimes, appendixes get removed from the body.......get my connection? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I was wondering what it was doing in the main namespace in the first place...and I do get what you mean. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, a system where {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Wynaut}} are classified the same '''HAS GOT TO GO!''' It should at least be posted by one of these Admins that the page is disputed. [[User:Venomoth|Venomoth]] 22:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hitmonchan UU?! ==

I really think Hitmonchan should be a Border Line. It knows Three STAB Piority First Moves, Can Learn the All Mighty BoltBeam Combo (With Ice/Thunder Punch, of course) And for Crying Out loud, it can Own Blissly In one shot, or atleast Mine can. So please put Hitmonchan in BL, not UU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh.. *shrugs* We didn't come up with this list, so.. yeah. Can't help you there. Tiers are crap anyway -- they seriously, imo, mean absolutely nothing. And I'm a big competitive battler too. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

He's not BL, MU at best.
Well, maybe he could be BL. He'd have really nice type coverage from a Choice set like this: Close Combat, Stone Edge, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch. Unfortunately, His Base Attack is too low to use on a Scarf set, or with a Band set, he'd be a pretty slow pokemon. Overall, however, Heracross massively outdoes him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I beg to Differ! --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Quick Man. I've used Hitmonchan consistantly in OU battles with Elemental Punches + Drain Punch. (Yes I know that move is crud. but try using it with an Iron Fist Hitmonchan against TTar. I've Recovered almost full health from brink of disaster. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Maybe Tiers have Seperate Articles? ==

Okay the more I look at this talk page, the more "Why the hell is so-so in so-so when he can.. blah blah" I start to see. After awhile, it's going to be too much room for the talk page to handle don't you think? So I thought... that if we ARE gonna keep the tier list (Which I hope we do being a fan of competitive battling) that we make seperate articles for each tier? [[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]
:Hmm.. that's a nice idea.. although like, if we do seperate the tiers into different pages we should have descriptions of what's mostly in there anyway. Like for example, we could say that OU Pokémon have very high stats and a large movepool, and some such as {{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Blissey}} can compete in Uber battles because they are strong enough. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

We should put each Pokémon's tier on that Pokémon's page. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  14:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:That works too. But either way, I don't really care which way is done... it's just I don't want to see anything cluttered and such. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Why not combine the idea? Keep the list here and mention each pokémon's tier on their own page. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Medicham==
Why is Medicham OU? It has horrible stats and a rather small movepool, so it should be moved down to BL. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  15:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think its Pure Power ability has something to do with it, which DOUBLES its attack stat.
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I Agree with Shiny Noctowl! I think Medicham DOESN'T have what it takes to be a OU! I say BL, or even MU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Have YOU ever eaten a Pure Power Elemental Punch? Not pretty. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, although I haven't studied Medicham yet... I kinda have to agree about the Pure Power thing. But I'm also going to side on both sides here, cause it still has bad stas and a not so nice of a movepool... although it does have roles under its belt. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

@Quick Man: (Bear in mind this is not directly at you) BL is just OU that is used less. Try again. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think probably BL. He's just a bit too fragile. BL is not OU that is used less, It's actually supposed to be for those too strong to be UU. However, here we have MU for some reason...[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Look on Smogon, Pg13 of tier discussions, second post. Look. Oh and btw, look at OUR list again. No MU. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]]

== TIRES DON EXITS ==

Should we have a tier list for the Smash Brothers games? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wait.. there's tiers for SSB too? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::WHAT? Seriously? But....they're only like 20 characters for the SSB games! Is the list like.....10? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Tier lists are about defining the hierarchy of effectivenenss. With the amount of variables between the different characters, yes, the serious competitive players have come to a consensus on who it is wise to use or not use in the tournament scene. National tournament-winners of Melee almost always use Marth, Fox, Falco or Sheik. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::On consideration, I think I'll just note the individual tournament status for {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Mewtwo}} in their own articles. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Since Smash is somewhat related to Pokémon, maybe the Smash lists should be somewhere. And yes, there are huge differences between Smash characters, especially in Melee, that require a tier list. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Wobbuffet ==

I think it's worth noting that currently, a test is being conducted to see whether Wobbuffet should be moved to OU. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 15:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed, although I highly doubt it will happen. Oh, and I think (last time I checked) there was some support for moving Garchomp to Uber. I haven't looked recently, so I don't know. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC) 

== Dragonite & co. ==

Dragonite is a VERY rare sight on OU battles, since it can't match Salamence and Garchomp, and since BL are for OU-strengh Pokémon with few appearances, I suggest it is moved down to it.
This works for many other Pokémon in the same situation, such as Ambipom.{{ani|277}}[[User:Greysky|'''''Grey''''']][[User talk:Greysky|'''''sky''''']]{{ani|135}} 03:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, It's not used often, but no, it shouldn't be moved. Moving a Pokémon with that power would overcentralize the BL Metagame. Everyone would be forced to carry the strongest Ice Pokémon in BL (I haven't checked who it is). Yes, BL is Pokémon who can solidly compete in OU, but not seen, but it is also for Pokémon too powerful for UU, which is where most BL Pokémon fit. Besides, other than Shelgon, which is rarely seen, Dragonite is the best Dragon-type tank. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 13:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Opinions? ==

The tier list just looks like a bunch of opinions to me. A Pokémon's strength depends on its training as much as its species. Some Pokémon, like Magikarp, are obviously inefficent to use in battle, but a Toarkoal (listed as NU, btw) can destroy a Regice (listed OU) in a fair battle, and the list does not reflect many aspects of a Pokémon's value, and it often is based off predjudices such as legendary status. Just thought I would point this out. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 02:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:That's why its in the appendix, bucko (Snap says this alot?). Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:15 11 May 2008'''''
::Honestly, it really is just opinions. But most of the time, they are fairly valid opinions. Sure, your Torkoal may beat my Regice, but most people wouldn't leave an Ice-type in against a fire. Not all things are biased toward Legendaries. Take Regigigas. It's a legendary, (and a pain in the hind end to get) but last I checked on a reliable source, it was Lower UU/Upper NU. This was discussed somewhere on Serebii where many people wanted to throw tiers out the metaphorical window, but some people disagreed, and almost mobbed the guy. If you absolutely wanted to, sure go in afight with your Torkoal against a Regice, but don't expect to win. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 00:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Midnight Celtic. Just because Torkoal could theoretically beat a Regice, we don't need to assume that the list is wrong. I used a Butterfree-Heracross in an example at the top, however, in reality, Butterfree would lose to almost any pokémon that it couldn't beat with one hit, whereas Heracross is a beast even at the highest level of competition. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:who actually uses a Torkoal with the exception of the hardcore Torkoal fans? (all 3 of them) thats what its getting at. lets face it, people will/would/do use Arcanine or Blaziken ({{tt|etc|i use both, hehe}}). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

::Arcanine? Blaziken? Hello! Infernape!! [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== T-tar ==
A crazy proposition maybe, but maybe we should move Tyranitar up to Uber?
its stat total is actually over 600, because Rock-type's Special Defense increases in sandstorm, and its ability is to whip a sandstorm as it enters.

Ttar's been getting a lot of controversy this generation. Personaly, I don't even know what to support. It's true that his attack is godly and that all his defences are also very strong. However, his speed is a huge letdown. He's also got a big 4x fighting weakness. Further, his sandstorm can be difficult for the rest of the user's team to deal with, and typical Ttar users have to build their entire team around him. Also, if the weather gets changed on him, he suddenly looks really akward (much like Kyogre). Possibly his biggest fear is Bronzong or another bulky tank. The other option is a choice scarf physical sweeper who can KO it before it gets KOed. Probably the biggest example is Scarf-Cross, he's a killer. I can't decide for sure about this, but I'd say that the Beast from GSC is one of the best OUs out there. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear {{p|Tyranitar}},
:{{m|Focus Blast}} or {{m|Aura Sphere}}. You are dead.
::Your friend, {{p|Togekiss}}.

T-tar is very powerful, no doubt at all. however, he is very slow, has poor sp. def., and has a 4x weakness to fighting. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

What Ttar are you talking about? His special defence is base 100 and is doubled by his sandstorm. It's in fact extremely high, even at it's very lowest. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:whoops. ever since i cut T-tar from my team, i must have forgotten. i was thinking about Aggron. hes easy pickens. either way, Fighting-type moves are very common, and having 5 other weaknesses doesnt help. that and his {{tt|fantastic|sarcasm}} speed make him very difficult to use. why couldnt he be Ground/Dark?!?! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering lol. Being one of only three who can break 500 special defense and one of only two who can break 600 at a whopping 656, he could have the highest Special defense (if he wanted it). [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:Meh, Tyranitar wss always noob to me. Besides, these are just tiers. I usually use Pokémon who are in the lower classes, yet they usually kick ass. So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 25 May 2008'''''

"So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all."
Unbelievable. There are people who still think that???
What you're telling us is, that if you had a team consisting of a Ditto, a Caterpie and an Unown, that you'd have a fair chance against a Metagross, a Salamence and a Weavile? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sure I would. If the Metagross, Salamence and Weavile were not EV-trained and Unown has a good HP (Hidden Power) type, then I would pawn. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 28 May 2008'''''
::Absolutely unbelievable.

::You seriously think your opponent not EV training is enough to make up for the huge difference in tier? And to be honest, it really doesn't matter so much what HP your Unown has. The fact remains: IT HAS ONE ATTACK AND LOW STATS. Aiming for the strongest Psychic one possible still leaves you a weak attack and Weavile will completely annihlate him. If you aim instead for type coverage, such as an Ice hidden power, two of the other team's three pokémon will still wall you and take you out with a single attack. The obvious exception is Fire, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would choose a Fire attack to be their only move. Fighting I suppose might be a strong choice, but again, you won't be able to hit Salamence at all, and Metagross very little. If you get a critical hit, you might be able to take out Weavile, and you'd better hope you do, or else Pursuit will finish you. The truth is, because Unown's stats are so bad, it would have to be super effective to do any real damage, even to Weavile. Of course, your team's problems don't end with Unown. All of your pokémon could be OHKO'd by any of your opponent's pokés. If your opponent gets one free turn, then Dragon Pulse sweeps your entire team (I'm assuming Specs-Mence, but Dragon Claw works equally well for the physical variants). And how exactly are you going to stop him? String shot? I'm not just talking about these two teams either. Any NU team vs any OU team has all the same problems. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Uhh, right... -totally convinced- As Fabu-Vinny (I assume it was him) said: TIRES DON EXITS!!!!!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:03 29 May 2008'''''

== Always stronger? ==

"All Pokémon that are not listed here are never used in competitive play because they have an evolved form and evolutions are always stronger than pre-evolutions. There are a few exceptions, however, such as Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu"

Come on people, that doesn't even make sense. Please change it to evolutions are ''nearly'' always stronger. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Past lists ==

Does anyone know where one could find the lists for competitive play in Gens I, II or III ? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Apparently, there's something WRONG with the note at the bottom of the page... ==

Why is Wynaut in the Uber? The bottom of the page says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't shown. And don't say 'Why not?' '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:58 29 May 2008'''''

Wynaut has a larger movepool than Wobbuffet, making it one of the few Pokémon stronger than it's evolution if used correctly.
But, in all seriousness, I must say: why not? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 02:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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