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== Inkster ==

While I've already posted on their talk page, I did want to bring this up to a staff member as well. I believe that Inkster's behavior on the wiki has become borderline obtrusive, especially in regards to their focus on timeline and age-related matters. Although they have already been partially blocked from multiple pages, I don't think this will be enough to deter their behavior.

They have shown a tendency to flip-flop on their opinions:

* On the "Player character" page, they [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Player_character&diff=3615843&oldid=3615760 constantly] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Player_character&diff=3615532&oldid=3604836 removed] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Player_character&diff=3601121&oldid=3594397 this piece] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Player_character&diff=3569296&oldid=3567564 of info], only for them to [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Player_character&diff=prev&oldid=3646618 add it back after it was gone for over a month].

* They have constantly gone back and forth on whether or not Rei/Akari are "around 15".

* The core series page as a whole has had multiple instances of this, and now they're claiming that [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Inkster&diff=3643660&oldid=3641171 the idea of Gen 1 being set in 1996 was "explicitly made up" by them] (and this is also a pretty clear violation of the [[BP:COC|code of conduct]].

They also have a very clear history of edit warring (which includes the pages they're currently blocked from, but they also have history with the "Player character" and "History of the Pokémon world" pages as well). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Paradox_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=3650255&oldid=3650066 Just to add a bit more to the code of conduct point I mentioned above]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

== How can we merge two images? ==

[[File:Brawl Boss Rayquaza.png|100px]] the image on the right was tagged as unacceptable due to being hacked but I couldn’t revert it back to the older image so I uploaded a new one. Would it be possible to merge both images so they can use the same filename in any way?

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]]) 03:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:I've reuploaded the image back to the previous image, seems whoever uploaded the emulated image has a history of doing so.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you reverted back to the hacked image. The guy {{sbw|User:Brandondorf9999|has also}} {{smw|User:Brandondorf9999|been banned}} from MarioWiki and SmashWiki for uploading emulated images like this so

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]]) 13:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:The site's being weird, it shows the correct image on the subspace emissary page amd when you click on the image, it shows the correct version.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

== Chloe: a main character confirmation? (Part 2) ==

Sorry to resurrect this discussion, but ... Chloe appears among Ash's friends in the new opening, I think it's an indication that she is a main character(or something more than a recurring character), no?I mean, I don't know, in the last episode of Journeys they kind of wanted to put Chloe side by side with Goh and Ash. Especially in the last scene.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:I agree that Chloe has received far more focus than any other supporting character throughout the series, and could honestly be considered something of a pseudo main character at this point.
:However, the thing that dissuades me from considering her a main character proper is her lack of appearances throughout Journeys compared to Ash and Goh: She's only appeared in roughly 39% of the main series episodes (and even if only counting episodes beginning with her obtaining Eevee, it's still only a roughly 41% appearance rate). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
::Her being one of Ash's friends doesn't change the fact that she's a supporting character. The overall story of Journeys doesn't focus on her, it focuses on Ash and Goh. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 11:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:::I mean, I don't disagree (hence why I described her as a "pseudo main character)". I wasn't arguing in favor of her being considered a main character (quite the opposite, in fact). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Chloe appears in more episodes than Team Rocket in Journeys, and in fact, since Sun & Moon we have cases of main characters that didn't appear in all the episodes of their origin saga. And I don't understand why my comment ended up here, but anyway...--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::I already explained why I moved it... You posted on an archived talk page, so I simply moved the discussion to the current talk page where it's more relevant.
:::::Team Rocket were main characters for the first three series and continued to appear in all future series as well.
:::::The lowest physical appearance rate for an active human protagonist in a saga is Lana who appeared in roughly 88% of the Alola episodes. This is still a '''''significant''''' difference from Chloe. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:05, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::PMJ: I was responding to Hikaru. Sorry for the confusion. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 12:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/tv_movie/anime/ Still not listed as such here].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:58, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

== <nowiki>{{Male}}</nowiki> ==

I saw we have gender templates that I don't think have been used much, so I replaced these on a few templates for consistency and simplicity. Only thing is the bright cyan used on the male template contrasts extremely poorly against Bulbapedia's white background, so I was wondering if you could change it to the blue that we have otherwise been using ({{color|0070f8|#0070f8}}) or perhaps even something darker like {{color|0055b3|#0055b3}}.-- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 19:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:I've changed the color to the first suggested color, definitely more seeable now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:03, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

== Assumptions ==

Next time, don't make false assumptions about me when you block me. I do take my messages seriously. I just happen to be imprudent by nature, which can make it seem like i mean harm, but no.[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 08:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

== Spambots ==

[[User talk:BernieceTvd|BernieceTvd]] and [[User talk:BernardDupont61|BernardDupont61]] appear to be spambots. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 04:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:07, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
::[[User talk:Christine64T|Christine64T]] is another one. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 01:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:HaydenCranswick|HaydenCranswick]]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
::::[[User talk:MeridithMorehous|MeridithMorehous]]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[User talk:WesleyIkx447718|WesleyIkx44718]]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:38, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:ZaraMoorman008|ZaraMoorman008]]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
{{indent}} [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/DarciAckman461 DarciAckman461]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chanel8874 This probably counts too.] The others with the same kind of edit have already been blocked and deleted. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
:::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/SangPatrick SangPatrick]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 09:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

== Editing while watching the anime? ==

Hi, I have a question. Am I allowed to edit during the airing of the show or should I wait and edit after the episode is aired? Thanks for answering. ([[User:QuickJolteon|QuickJolteon]] ([[User talk:QuickJolteon|talk]]) 11:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC))
:Any edits to an episode during showtime '''must''' be made '''after''' the show is over. This way, users can edit in one go, rather than in smaller patches.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

== Bruh. ==
Ok, let's start our long conversation. [[User:Grookeyscorbunnysobble|Grookeyscorbunnysobble]] is in my school science class, and he's 13 now. You can even check [[User:Grookeyscorbunnysobble/usertags|his user tags]] to prove it, it'll show the same thing. [[User:AxewBowser2|AxewBowser2]] ([[User talk:AxewBowser2|talk]]) 20:20, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
:No need for the attitude, wasn't aware of their birthdate. They've been unblocked.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]]

== Beheeyem's Steel Wings ==

You said that move that Pokemon shouldn't learn trivia goes to move page, but Area 51 reference is unique for Beheeyem.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
:The area 51 bit is fine to mention.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

== Eternium-Z again ==

{{u|Eternium-Z}} has made multiple consecutive edits onto the individual articles during the last few days, despite past reminders to use the preview button. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

== A certain user ==

While I've had my suspicions on this user for a while, I think it might be worth looking into them now.

I'm pretty sure that {{u|BlueSparkles}} is Kittystyler. The pages that they edit are more or less in line with confirmed sockpuppets, and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Squishy&diff=prev&oldid=3669919 this feels like a classic "Kittystyler adding character relationships to pages" edit], complete with a similar grammar structure. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
:I've been monitoring their edits, and while they're similar, it's still circumstantial. They still don't have an IP address that matches previous KittyStyler socks.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

== TurtwigFan4848 ==

{{u|TurtwigFan4848}} has been making multiple consecutive edits on Gimmighoul and Gholdengo's pages. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:30, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

== Eternium-Z ==

Eternium-Z continues to revert and add things back in with no attempt to discuss it first. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
:There's only so many chances I can give a user...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

== List of clothing page ==

Is it alright for me to update the list of clothing page with liko and roy's outfits? ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 22:25, 18 February 2023 (UTC))
:Looks like you did it anyway. Don't ask and then do it anyway, have a bit of patience. It's fine, but the empty sections weren't necessary, do I've hid them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

== VILRO ==

A user names {{u|VILRO}} has been almost exclusively editing JN142 by adding trivia and errors to the article with multiple consecutive edits, despite having been reminded to use the preview button. Plus, the content of their edits seems questionable in terms of notability and grammar. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 00:12, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
:Hey, I'll take care of this one this time. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
::Much appreciated, MN. The same same seems to be now occurring with JN143. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 22:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

== This likely isn’t my business to get involved in but I wanted to inform you of Fernandez0907 ==

[[User:Fernandez0907|Fernandez0907]] had been banned from Drawception. I’m not too sure what the reason is but it doesn’t matter to me. This guy has been bothering [[User:Vellidragon|Vellidragon]] for like more than three months on many different sites about the ban, most notably on [[wk:User:Fernandez0907|WiKirby]] and [[sbw:User:Fernandez0907|SmashWiki]]. Given that Fernandez0907 is bothering Vellidragon again here, I thought maybe you could permaban.

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin 3]] [[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|Wii U]] 02:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

== ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW WOW WOW WUBBZY ==

Well, --ForceFire 05:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC) Mr. ForceFire I am very active in the fandom and I very commonly see people discuss shipping, so to say that the idea of shipping has "Died down" would be inaccurate. A better way to put it would be something like "Parts of the fandom have historically been against the idea of shipping, but it is still discussed in some spheres." {{unsigned|ASIZZLE}}
:Shipping still being around here and there is already stated on the article: "conversations about them only occurring in small pockets of the community."--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

==Sorry!==
Sorry, don't do any deleting ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 12:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC))

I want to rename them (Unless you can) with "Concept Art"

-File:Captain Pikachu.png
-File:Professor Friede 2023.png
-File:Professor Freed 2023.png (Can you delete this file? It has the character name spelled wrong)
([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 12:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC))

Nevermind someone already fixed captain pikachu (Can you delete mine?) ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 12:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC))

== Get over it ==
i am an [[User:Ashketchumpikachu|Ashketchumpikachu]] sock if ur wondering, but The Incident was a year and a half ago, and i was only testing da system. i never apologized because you friggin' BLOCKED me before i could. can you please let me live? its a new year, a new generation, a new protagonist for the [[anime]], and new beginnings. [[User:AshPikachu2023|AshPikachu2023]] ([[User talk:AshPikachu2023|talk]]) 20:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

==Lapras herd==
I was wondering if the Lapras herd that had major roles in EP113, EP257 and briefly appeared in [[JN143]] were worthy of their own page?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:Sure, they're definitely important characters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
::So characters that showed up with only one major role are more deserving of a page than Leon's Charizard, a Pokémon that played a large role in an entire series? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
:::The criteria for recurring Pokemon are different from Pokemon owned by Champions. It is not the same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

== trainer profile ==

After the first episode is aired, can I make the trainer profile then? (If it is hers) ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 10:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC))
:Yes, the page is in your userpage: [[User:CuteSylveon42/Liko's Sprigatito]], so if it ever happens, just move it back to the mainspace.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Is the liko page that you protected in my userpage or is it a different page? ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 12:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC))
:You're userpage is not protected.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Not my userpage, the liko page that you moved into my userpage, is that the one you protected, because I make two liko pages and one is deleted. ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 17:24, 3 March 2023 (UTC))
:The one in your userspace is not protected. The other I deleted and put a creation protection on it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, if the upcoming trailers for pokemon 2023 confirms that Sprigatito is liko's, can I move the page as a main page? ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 06:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC))
:It can be moved once the episode it gets caught in has aired.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Tokyo tv website confirmed liko's partner is Sprigatito, can I put the page up now or wait until the first episode
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pocketmonster2023/chara/) There's also official artwork of Sprigatito. ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 20:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC))
:Wait until the first episode airs.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Does it count for the mysterious turtle pokemon to be "traveling with" Liko since it's in her pendant or does it need to be officially named first before putting it in that section. (This is for Liko's Page) ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 01:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC))
:I think having the Pokemon being officially released first should be the main priority for that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "Someone has to be"? He is the first gym leader to show up in the anime ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 08:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC))
:The series is based on Generation IX, so it was inevitable that a Gym Leader from Generation IX would show up, just as they've always shown up in previous series. We don't have things like "Misty is the first Gym Leader to appear in the anime", after all. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
::Exactly.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

== VILRO ==

A user named {{u|VILRO}} seems to only add errors to episode articles and nothing else. They also repeatedly make multiple edits on one page in a row. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:58, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

== Pikablu ==

Pikablu is edit warring on [[Ash's Incineroar]]: they consider Nebby as one of Ash's Pokémon, and are using that to dismiss a valid trivia point. Many users have told Pikablu that Nebby was not officially Ash's Pokémon, but they disagree. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
:I disagree because the anime has made it very clear they consider it his Pokémon. I’m removing false information. Would you consider Misty’s Togetic not her Pokémon just because it wasn’t put into a ball? What about Mimey and Delia before we saw its Poke Ball? Or iris’s Axew in BW? Not every Trainer-Pokémon relation is dependent on a ball.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
::I've had a similar discussion regarding ownership of Nebby with Rahl [[User talk:Force Fire/Archive 13#Larvitar and Nebby|last year]], my opinion on the matter is that while it doesn't fit our requirement of ownership, the anime has consistently added Nebby in pics relating to Ash's Pokemon so it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

== Ash Trivia ==

Hi! Is it too early to have this [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash%27s_Incineroar&oldid=3683031|this] trivia point on articles such as [[Ash's Incineroar]]? Just clarifying, thanks!

[[User:Noelephant213|Noelephant213]] ([[User talk:Noelephant213|talk]]) 01:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

==Latias anime==
With Latias having had a major role in three episodes, I was wondering if [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Latias (anime)]] was OK to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
:Latias is fine to be mai spaced.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
::Sadly there is a redirect that goes to the Latias from M05 so I can't mainspace it--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

== Fonn ==

In addition to focusing almost entirely on trivia, most of the trivia they've added contain spelling errors, and some of the trivia they've added is either dubious or straight up untrue (for example, claiming that Greninja reached its final form the fastest out of all of Ash's starter Pokémon when it was Charizard). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 18:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

== Monarch vs. World Champion ==

For a while now, Hikaru Wazana has insisted that "Monarch" is dub-only, but since Leon was referred to as "oja" in the Japanese version of JN129, I don't think that's quite true. Additionally, the World Coronation Series page also lists "Monarch" as the term used in the Japanese version.

However, I do know that Ash has been referred to as "Champion" in the Japanese version in regards to his win in the WCS (as opposed to his title of Alola Champion). Could it be that both terms are used interchangeably? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
:Hi Hello. Well come on, I'm just using the pattern of the precedent created when they removed the Orange League Champion title from the page in favor of the Honored Trainer title (which supposedly appeared in the original Japanese). I put it that way because the term "Monarch" was only used on Bulbapedia after the airing of the dubbed version of [[JN012]], before that, the site used only the title of World Champion.
:I thought it was worth putting this on the Champions page, because the anime explicitly uses the term Champion in the original Japanese (both to refer to Ash and Leon when referring to the world title). And personally I think that the information placed in the Japanese original should override what is shown in the United States. Since I don't watch the dubbed versions of the episodes, I'm not fully aware of how the West has addressed this issue generally.
:Well, I think there must be a better way to solve this question, but I don't know what it is.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 01:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
::"Monarch" ''isn't'' dub-exclusive, though; the announcer explicitly refers to Leon as "oja" (i.e. Monarch) in JN129. I'm aware that "Champion" has been used in regards to the title as well in Japanese, which is why I think both terms may have been used interchangeably. Also, "Honored Trainer" was indeed used in the original Japanese version; I watched both of the Orange League episodes for Ash vs. Drake in Japanese and the phrase "Meiyo Trainer" popped up several times, while "Champion" never popped up once. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 02:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
:::In the end, this discussion became useless, since they did "the favor" of summarizing the entire text to one line.
:::That's when the Masters Eight was never specifically a tournament between regional Champions (so much so that Alain was in the competition). I will never understand the point of making extremely summarized content on a wiki that is supposed to have detailed information. Let it go then--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
::::I think it's that there can only be one Monarch at a time, but a World Champion is anyone who's beaten the Masters Eight Tournament. That's the impression I've personally gotten. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

== Larvitar and Nebby ==

I heard that you and {{u|Rahl}} have discussed last December regarding whether Larvitar and Nebby can be counted as Ash's Pokémon. Since they weren't officially owned, I'm not sure if I agree with that. What was your reasoning for saying "yes"? The Larvitar article could easily be retitled "Larvitar (anime)" if the opposite decision was made. Same with Shaymin in S&M. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
* Larvitar and Nebby were:
** Shown to have traveled with Ash over multiple episodes and bonded as Trainer and Pokémon, similar to other Pokémon not seen placed in a Poké Ball such as Misty's Togetic, Cameron's Lucario, Alexa's Helioptile, or Professor Burnet's Munchlax to name a few.
** They were both included in Pikachu's fantasy in JN132 showing all of Ash's Pokémon, as well as Ash's in JN135.
** Both appeared in the Aim to Be a Pokémon Master opening in JN139 (which showed released Pokémon) and JN146 (which showed Alola team).
** Both were included in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZccKUMgLRE8 final trailer] for the anime with the rest of Ash's team.
** The Aim To Be a Aim to Be a Pokémon Master promotion poster, which included all of Ash's Pokémon (the only ones not Ash's were Meowth and Wobbuffet, both main characters).
At this point, why are you not convinced they are Ash's? Your only defense is they were not placed in a Poké Ball, which is not unheard of for anime Pokémon. What is your defense against the anime showing again and again they belong with the rest? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:13, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
:I'm just stubborn, I guess. All I'll say is that Lucario, Helioptile, and Munchlax could easily have Poké Balls we never see. For example, Helioptile is not seen with Alexa when she and Ash travel to Kalos, implying it's in a Poké Ball. Though, with Togepi/Togetic, I don't really have an argument against that. Oh, and the fantasy in JN135 also featured the Pink Butterfree, which he definitely didn't own, but I admit, the evidence in support of this thing as a whole is very solid, so I can't really argue more against it. Hopefully there will be an outright statement of him owning them at some point to lay any doubts to rest. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
::Oh, just remembered [https://web.archive.org/web/20180706073559/http://www.pokemon.jp/special/satoshi_pokemon/pm/ this old old official site]. It lists all of Ash's Pokémon from the first four series, but Larvitar is not listed there. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
:::I feel like stubborn isn't a very good reason to be ignoring all the evidence in favor of it. I think the anime has made it more than obvious where those two stand. Yes, Larvitar isn't there, but it has been included in every recent piece of media showing all of Ash's Pokémon. It could have been an error on the old site or they changed their stance on the matter. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
::::One outdated site is not enough evidence to dispute everything that has come out recently. --[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it for a second, I too came to understand the site,'s information is likely outdated. They probably changed their stance on it after Nebby proved to be a highly similar case. Doesn't explain why they didn't include Haunter too, but that's besides the point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
{{Indent}}I believe my wording was it shouldn't count in the tally of Pokemon he's caught, but they are fine to be listed and categorized as his Pokemon as the anime has repeatedly associated those two with him. So the trivia is fine either way, just needs to have clarification on whether it's talking in general or specifically those that he caught.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
:Rahl has edited episode articles so that those Pokémon are now listed as "(Ash's)" instead of "(anime)". Should there be note that specifies they're not officially his, like "(Ash's; unofficial)"? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
::Should we do the same for Misty's Togetic or Cameron's Lucario? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 17:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
:::I personally don't think so. Those two were unambiguously owned by their Trainers. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
::::Okay, but the anime has made it pretty clear that these two are owned as well. So what's the difference? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 19:33, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::Misty officially claimed ownership of Togepi, and Riolu was just a walking Pokémon. Ash never claimed ownership of Larvitar or Nebby. He only cared for and battled alongside them for several consecutive episodes. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
::::::That sounds like how he treats all of his Pokémon, minus the short time period. I really don't understand what you're so confused about. The anime has made it very clear those two belong despite their slightly different circumstances. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 19:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::::The difference is that he never officially caught them and was always just looking after them, always intending to let them go eventually. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 23:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

If you want to mark those as unofficial on episode articles, I don't mind. Even if the anime continually considers them his, they still technically weren't caught by him. I've already explained Togepi's situation, Togepi chose Misty to be its trainer as it saw her first and regarded her as its mother. As for Cameron's Riolu, I don't particularly remember anything about it ownershop status being ambiguous, Cameron was a forgettable character imo.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

== JN136 ==

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN136&action=history

MarioKero started an editwar about a Trivia that was supposed to be the "last appearance" of a bunch of characters. Since [[JN147]]'s page made it clear that it wasn't supposed to be the last appearance of Ash, Pikachu and others and that it shouldn't be on the episode pages, I see no reason to have that here on other pages. I talked to FinnishPokefan and he said it would be better to get an opinion from someone on the staff. Do you have an opinion about this?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
:The trivia is fine. It is those characters final appearance (for now). And JN147 doesn't indicate that it's not the last time we'll see those characters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

== Original series announcer ==

[[File:Rustboro Contest Announcer.png|200px|thumb|AG013]]
I was looking at some old episodes and I noticed that a character is repeated in Regional Competitions episodes, this character appeared in ''Princess Vs Princess''(I think this is his first appearance), ''[[EP178|The Grass Route]]'', ''[[AG013|All Things Bright and Beautifly!]]''. Others use the same voice actor, but then I don't know if it's worth considering being the same person.
This is only in episodes that I could find, so I would like to know, Is it possible to treat him as a recurring character or is it a case of character recycling with the same function? Depending on your answer, I wanted to be creating a page for this character or creating a section on some page detailing his appearances.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
{{-}}
:I think whether the character is voiced by the same voice actor in the original Japanese episode could clear up whether they are suppose to be one character.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
::A look at the end credits shows three different voice actors for certain narrators, Koichi Hasebe did the Indigo League, Jin Horikawa the Johto league and Katsuyuki Konishi did a few others. See [[User:BigDocFan/Japanese_Cast_lists_EP|here]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Japanese_Cast_lists_Johto|here]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:56, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters RPG ==
In a 1997 interview, Shigeru Miyamoto was asked about Pocket Monsters 64 and he said there is in in development for the 64DD. In a seperate interview, it was mentioned that there were three separate Pokemon (sorry my computer doesn't allow me to do the accented e) games in development for the 64DD, two of those came out, however not for the DD (Stadium and Snap)
[[https://lostmediawiki.com/images/1/11/1997_Miyamoto_interview.jpeg]]{{unsigned|Requiem OfLostSouls}}
:The game in question became Stadium according to our article. An RPG game is not mentioned in that article, and the history section of our article has had that information removed several time due to a lack of source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 21:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

==[[Area Zero]]==
So what exactly about my edit is considered "unnotable" and "speculative"? I've spent time researching the symbolism of moths and white flowers in japanese culture. Its not like the information i've put was wrong. [[User:Just a lurker|Just a lurker]] ([[User talk:Just a lurker|talk]]) 01:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
:Oh nevermind, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/FarceFire someone now banned] reverted my edit and forged your signing. {{unsigned|Just a lurker}}

== BlueSparkles ==

As I've stated before, I believe that BlueSparkles is a Kittystyler sockpuppet.

Their editing style is far too reminiscent of previous sockpuppets to be a coincidence in my opinion.

Here are some of BlueSparkles's edits:

* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Liko&diff=3705105&oldid=3704858 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=May_(anime)&diff=prev&oldid=3696677 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dawn_(anime)&diff=prev&oldid=3638044 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Squishy&diff=prev&oldid=3669919 Example 4]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Liko%27s_Sprigatito&diff=prev&oldid=3696616 Example 5]

Here are some edits from Kittystyler and/or confirmed sockpuppets:

* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Lana%27s_Primarina&diff=2890768&oldid=2890448 Example 1] ("cares about its friends" and the term "best friend")
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Lillie_(anime)&diff=3523731&oldid=3523657 Example 2] ("X has this negative trait, but managed to overcome it/look past it because of Y" and the term "best friend" pops up again)
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3358172&oldid=3352145 Example 3] ("cares about its Trainer and friends and is protective of them")
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Goh&diff=prev&oldid=3358156 Example 4] (same deal as Example 2)

There are probably more examples I could have found, but even without a matching IP, I feel like their edits are far too similar. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
:Is there anywhere where this can be discussed in more detail (such as Discord DMs)? It's not my intention to be pushy, but I am very certain that this person is Kittystyler. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 17:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
::Don't worry, I'm getting your messages. I would love to try, but I'm all out of options. Their email address doesn't match the usual KittyStyler email addresses, and I can't match their IP address with other KittyStyler socks because too much time has passed to be able to check the IP addresses of the other sock accounts. The only thing I have to go on is their edits, but even that could be circumstantial.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

== About official Artwork ==

When it comes to official artwork for the anime, does it have to come from people who work for the pokémon company (Like animators or Directors) or people who have worked with pokemon? Like is the person who drew "After the story" for Jounreys even a staff? Because I have an artwork of Friede and Captain Pikachu Artwork that was drawn by shoko nakagawa and she works with "pokédoko" (A pokemon tv show) and sang two eds for pokemon. ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 08:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC))
:Random artwork drawn by popular celebrities does not make it official. Artwork drawn by an official Game Freak staff for official Pokemon material are official artwork. Not random doodles artists draw from time to time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
:okay, got it ([[User:CuteSylveon42|CuteSylveon42]] ([[User talk:CuteSylveon42|talk]]) 09:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC))

== This topic has been in limbo for over a year ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash%27s_Pignite#.22Third_Pok.C3.A9mon_that_Ash_caught_in_the_Unova_region.22 Over a year ago, I got into a debate with Franky7 over the usage of "caught" vs. obtained"]. You can read the full details here (for the second link in the post, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:FinnishPok%C3%A9Fan92/Archive_3#Regarding_your_reverts click here]), but the gist of it is that I believe the term "obtained" should be used over "caught", as the wording is far more inclusive. (As I stated before, the current wording on Pignite's page implies that Oshawott was "caught", which is not the case.) Other users have agreed with my line of reasoning as well, so I'd like to hear your thoughts. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 14:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
:Obtained should be used for Pokemon that were given/traded to characters, [[Ash's Buizel]] and [[May's Wartortle]] use obtain for example.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
::Sure, but the current wording on the page for Ash's Pignite states that he was the "third Pokémon that Ash caught in the Unova region". Again, this wording implies that Oshawott was "caught", even though he was actually given to Ash by Professor Juniper. I think "obtained" is more inclusive in this aspect, since it can apply to any Pokémon. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Ah, okay, I see what you mean. I'd be okay with changing "caught" to "obtain" in the wording, your reasoning is solid.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

== Edit warring on Player character ==

Harimua Thailand has continuously attempted to "adjust" the wording on the Masters EX section of the player character article without explanation, despite having been reverted multiple times, being told that the wording is fine, and the new wording sometimes being wrong and/or grammatically incorrect. This has been an ongoing issue since March. I also left a message on their talk page recently, but they did not reply. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

== Explorers ==

Spinel has appeared his face (albeit in shadows), has lines of dialogue, and has been tasked with a mission by Gibeon. It even has a personality for the character.
Gibeon talks to three characters during the episode, dismisses Amethio from his mission.
How are these characters not notable? They are human characters.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
:Being human characters doesn't automatically make them notable. It's why it's called a '''notability''' requirement, the characters need to actually do something of note (aside from battling).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

== Liko's Sprigatito and Roy's Fuecoco ==

Hello. I might be missing something from [[HZ006]], but I'm confused. After HZ006 aired, and [[Liko's Sprigatito]] and [[Roy's Fuecoco]]'s pages were updated to include their [[Ability|Abilities]], you undid the edits and said to "do not guess". In HZ006, when Fuecoco glowed red and Sprigatito glowed green after taking much damage from [[Amethio#Ceruledge|Amethio's Ceruledge]]'s attacks, [[Amethio]] said "They got stronger once driven into a corner, huh?" Isn't that what {{a|Blaze}} and {{a|Overgrow}} do? If not, please explain why this is not the case. Have a nice day. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 01:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
:It was hinted at, but it's not an outright confirmation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
::Ok, so unless someone outright confirms that Liko's Sprigatito and Roy's Fuecoco have Overgrow and Blaze as their respective Abilities, it's not acknowledged? I understand now. Thank you. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

==Catch template for Legends: Arceus==
Hi, Force Fire. A over month ago I've created a "prototype version" of "Catch/Entry" template to locations from Pokémon Legends: Arceus. Though I took a Catch/entry8 as base, it took a bit time to create it. I don't know it could work, especially when Pokemon locations are a bit complex, if you note a odds in weather, time-space distortions, odds for Alpha specimen, etc. So... if you could got a free time, could you look onto [[User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/headerLA|these]] [[User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/entryLA|templates]] and check they fulfill a requirements to be officially moved on main space? Of course, if they don't fulfill requirements, you may redirect them to yourself and modify them... or take a page from PokeWiki.de and use "Interactive Map Location" template to Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet locations. Choice is, of course, yours. I ask you, because I think you're a much better in that cases ^^". Initially I asked Chosen to check this, but a month passed and I've got no answer, so I've decided pass this offer to you, pal. --[[User:Modikisha|Modikisha]] ([[User talk:Modikisha|talk]]) 18:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:IIRC, SnorlaxMonster created an interactive map for the LA encounters in his userspace, which I think would work better. The traditional template could work for static encounters, but I think that's limited to the Template of Sinnoh encounters. You could also bring this up to Tiddlywinks to get his opinion, as they are the head of games.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

::Okay, chief. --[[User:Modikisha|Modikisha]] ([[User talk:Modikisha|talk]]) 11:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

== Gallery section ==

{{u|TrainerSplash}} has been moving gallery sections to a different position on the pages. What do you think of this? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:I've been under the impression that they've always been near the bottom of the article. I personally think it's better near the bottom, so I'm fine with it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::Gotcha. I just wanted to ask because TS didn't seem to ask about this from an admin first, but I'm fine with it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

== Hoenn Route Images and testing ability interactions with Showdown ==
Hello again after a very long time. I was reading some of the Hoenn Routes and noticed a lot of them (e.g. Route 134) have guidebook labels compared to Hoenn Route 101 which has none of the labels.
Would you know where to obtain these images of routes with no labels? I was considering editing the guidebook labels out of the images with an image editor but am not sure if that is allowed or meet the standards of Bulbapedia.
Also for testing the effect on how Abilities work in "This Ability effect may be in need of research", would Pokémon Showdown be considered an accurate way to test how abilities react to each other? [[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Update: I edited something minor on the Pokémon Yellow page and only after the fact saw that the page was edit locked. I do not mean to unintentionally vandal the page as I saw the edit lock and wondering what the edit lock does and hoping that editing a page with an edit lock does not affect my current account in any way. [[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 17:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
:I don't remember exactly, but I think route images are taken via taking a screenshot of the route via capture card. Though that could be wrong.
:I would rather testing for things be done in the game itself, rather than online simulations.
:Pokemon Yellow article is semi protected to prevent users from adding the leaked Yellow beta from a while back, probably doesn't need the protection now though. However, your account isn't new, so you should be able to edit it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

== Field move redirects ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Field_move&hidelinks=1 These] seem unnecessary. Seems like they just persisted and went unnoticed after (several) page moves. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

== Image obtained from YouTube video ==
I was looking to add an image on the page [[Pokémon Puzzle League]] to upload the final image of the trophies and managed to find a playthrough that contains the image needed. Are users allowed to put images or screenshots from YouTube videos/Let's Plays onto the Archives? Wanted to confirm before taking any action. [[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 16:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

== Resolving a dispute ==
Hello, I was talking with the user Franky7 over some trivia I added which they have reverted on Ash's Bulbasaur's page. It has been discussed civilly and came to an agreement for an admin to check if the Trivia I added was correct. The edit I made was on 30 May 2023 on Ash's Bulbasaur's page and the link here is the full discussion for context on Franky7's page: [[User_talk:Franky7#Ash.27s_Bulbasaur_Trivia_Removal]] {{unsigned|Nikuriku}}

== Hey there ==

I hope you are enjoying your break. In the meantime, I've moved you into the Retired Staff usergroup. It allows you to retain your status as a member of the staff team while also exempts you from any and all staff responsibilities. Use the time to refresh and recharge without worrying about Bulba, and feel free to reach out if/when you wish to return. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

== Ryan Reynolds page ==

Hello. I like to request making a page for the actor, [[Ryan Reynolds]]. I have a picture for him and details to add. [[User:MasterFrostyShake|MasterFrostyShake]] ([[User talk:MasterFrostyShake|talk]]) 06:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:Force Fire is not an active [[staff]] member, but to answer your question, a [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:PikaTepig999/Ryan_Reynolds user draft] is in progress. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 11:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::Oh cool, thank you. [[User:MasterFrostyShake|MasterFrostyShake]] ([[User talk:MasterFrostyShake|talk]]) 17:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

==Image Tables==
Please do not change the hard edge borders on square or rectangular images to '''roundy,''' as it makes the images clip outside the table.--[[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 16:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:[https://i.imgur.com/D5iJ1gZ.png This ain't it, tho]. This is the default zoom that presumably everyone uses.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::There is a line of text (overflow:hidden) which allows the clipping corners to be hidden if necessary. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Why would you flat revert with the message '''"<nowiki>https://i.imgur.com/D5iJ1gZ.png This ain't sexy</nowiki>"''' when this isn't even how it looks on all monitors? On a 1080p monitor, it takes '''exactly''' a 125% zoom to achieve this. On a 1440p monitor it takes '''exactly''' 175% zoom to replicate this. I don't understand why you would zoom in, or resize your browser window to 1899x999 to showcase a screenshot where it looks broken, as literally every page on the site with a design made for a monitor after 2010 would be broken under that degree of scrutiny. This is not ''"the default zoom that presumably everyone uses''", this is just false. {{unsigned|Lewtwo}}
::::[https://i.imgur.com/IcHK8n7.png Sure]. Not everyone has high quality, wide monitors like you and don't assume everyone has high quality, wide monitors like you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::::: I don't have a "high quality, wide monitor" this is 1920x1080, from 2016, eight years ago. It displays fine on monitors that we tested from 2012. This is a terrible frame of reference that is outright misleading as "the default" and mischaracterizing my setup as being wide alongside your edit message is just ??? Also, why not just put it under a div wrapped scrollbar instead of removing images and making them needlessly tiny, as you have been told prior to your hiatus? --[[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 18:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::: [https://i.imgur.com/eqWYLrQ.png Mhm]. 2020 too. Also, moving around images or resizing them isn't "removing" them. They're still on the page. Don't be overdramatic.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Could you explain how you got a 1080p monitor to have the appearance of one with a 125% Zoom, or that of a 1366px monitor? To clarify, you are removing images- Galleries are good for frames of reference between related images in close proximity, so readers can compare. Images in sections like the biology are good for providing context to the words next to them. Therefore, there is purpose for both of them to exist on the page in that section. --[[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 18:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: That's just the default when I bought the device, I don't bother with that. Why would anyone not that adept with computers.
:::::::: [[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Iono&diff=3898118&oldid=3898098]] [[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Iono&diff=3898177&oldid=3898141]] [[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Silver_(game)&curid=4875&diff=3898129&oldid=3898120]] [[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Silver_(game)&curid=4875&diff=3898134&oldid=3898129]]. I dunno man, all the image appear to be the same in all revisions. No "removal" happening captain.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Iono&oldid=3898098 you can literally click this, or see the current revision of the page, to see the SV Iono art gone from the Gallery table. --[[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 18:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::: Ah, collateral damage. Well, didn't know that was removed because I didn't remove it. I get where Finnish is coming from, but I don't mind either way whether we show the infobox image twice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::: Tiddlywinks said over on Discord that images that are already in use on one part of the page, such as the info box, do not need to be in the gallery. No need to repeat the same thing twice, similar to how there's no need for link repetition in the same page section. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::: And a variety of people disagreed with his assertion. Just because one staff member believes in something doesn't mean that it should be treated as gospel throughout the site, especially being staff that are known for causing similar issues in the past --[[User:Lewtwo|Lewtwo]] ([[User talk:Lewtwo|talk]]) 20:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

== Code of Conduct and staff expectations ==

It has come to the attention of Senior staff that you have had several recent instances of unacceptable behavior when interacting with contributors.
* A disrespectful [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?diff=3911386 edit summary] when modifying another editor's contribution, and
* Insulting, rude language [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?diff=3898198 when discussing another user's edits]
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If you have any questions, you can reach out to myself or a member of the {{bp|Bulbagarden Executive Staff}}. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

== Everything is black and white in this site. ==

Why is everything in this site black and white? [[User:Kevin128|Kevin128]] ([[User talk:Kevin128|talk]]) 21:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Ash's Kingler

2023-05-16T12:32:08Z

Kevin128: /* Moves used */

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'''Ash's Kingler''' (Japanese: '''サトシのキングラー''' ''Satoshi's Kingler'') was the sixth {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that {{Ash}} {{pkmn2|caught}} in the [[Kanto]] [[region]], and his seventh overall. It was also the first of Ash's Pokémon to primarily reside at {{an|Professor Oak}}'s [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Laboratory]] in [[Pallet Town]].

==In the anime==
===History===
====[[Original series]]====
=====Kanto=====
[[File:Ash Krabby.png|thumb|left|220px|As a Krabby]]
Ash originally obtained Kingler as a {{p|Krabby}} in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'', when he became angry at {{an|Misty}} for saying that it was a fluke that he caught all his other Pokémon. Storming down to the beach, he discovered a minuscule Krabby and made fun of it. Krabby challenged Ash, who fought it with a nearby stick and then captured it in a {{i|Poké Ball}}. Having six Pokémon already in his party at the time, the newly caught Krabby's Poké Ball was immediately teleported away, much to Ash's surprise and concern. He soon learned that Krabby was sent to {{an|Professor Oak}}.
[[File:Gary Krabby.png|thumb|220px|As a Krabby, being compared to Gary's bigger Krabby]]
Ash quickly rang Oak and was initially horrified at the thought that Oak was eating his new Krabby. However, the Professor pointed out that he was actually eating tofu. Ash's initial relief changed to jealousy after Oak also revealed that {{Gary}} had also caught a Krabby, although his Krabby was far larger in size. Later, in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'', Gary actually sniggered at the sight of Krabby's minuscule size.

Krabby made its battling debut in ''[[EP075|Round One - Begin!]]'', when Ash used it during the first round of the [[Indigo Plateau Conference|Pokémon League]] against [[Mandi]]. He reasoned that Krabby would be perfect for a battle on the water field despite Misty's protests.

It seemed at first that Misty's forebodings would prove true; Mandi's {{p|Exeggutor}} used {{m|Psychic}} to trap Krabby in a whirlpool. However, Krabby managed to escape and took control of the battle with Vise Grip. It avoided Exeggutor's {{m|Hypnosis}} and took victory with Leer and Stomp. The intensity of the battle caused it to evolve into a {{p|Kingler}}. It was able to finish the rest of the match single-handedly, defeating Mandi's {{p|Seadra}} by slowing it down with Bubble and before knocking it out with Crabhammer; Kingler also defeated Mandi's {{p|Golbat}} with a Hyper Beam. This was despite Misty and {{an|Brock}}'s real concerns about Kingler's ability to prevail against Seadra's speed and Golbat's air attacks.
[[File:Oak Muk Kingler Tauros.png|thumb|left|220px|Kingler, Muk, and Tauros offering to fight Drake]]
Ash also used Kingler in his battle on the ice field in ''[[EP076|Fire and Ice]]'', where Kingler defeated [[Pete Pebbleman]]'s {{p|Cloyster}} by striking its protective shell with a fury of unrelenting Crabhammers. It went up against his {{p|Arcanine}}, but its Bubble was dodged by the {{type|Fire}} Pokémon, and Kingler was knocked out by a {{m|Dragon Rage}} attack.

=====Orange Islands=====
Kingler spent most of the time at Oak's lab as Ash and his {{ashfr}} traveled the [[Orange Archipelago|Orange Islands]]. Kingler and {{AP|Muk}} offered to fight for Ash in the Orange Island Championship battle against {{OBP|Drake|Orange League}} in ''[[EP111|Hello, Pummelo!]]'', but Ash chose {{AP|Tauros}} instead.

=====Johto=====
[[File:EP217.png|thumb|220px|Kingler in the Whirl Cup]]
In ''[[EP145|A Farfetch'd Tale]]'', Kingler crowded into Ash's screen with Muk, Tauros, and {{AP|Snorlax}} to wish him luck for his next Gym battle with [[Whitney]].

After realizing he only had one {{type|Water}} Pokémon, {{AP|Totodile}}, in ''[[EP217|The Perfect Match!]]'', Ash had Kingler rejoin his party in time for the [[Whirl Cup]] tournament. In the second round, after Totodile's loss to {{TP|Misty|Poliwhirl}}, Kingler knocked out Poliwhirl with a powerful one-two punch Crabhammer. However, when Ash ordered it to use Vise Grip on {{TP|Misty|Psyduck}}, the pain gave Psyduck the ability to tap into its {{t|Psychic}} powers and defeat Kingler with an overwhelming {{m|Confusion}} attack. Kingler was sent back to Oak's lab afterward.

In ''[[EP267|Love, Pokémon Style]]'', Ash planned to use Kingler in the Johto League [[Silver Conference]] against [[Macy]]'s array of Fire Pokémon, but it was injured while rescuing a trio of runaway {{p|Voltorb}}, who shocked Kingler when it caught them. [[Nurse Joy]] informed Ash that Kingler would need to rest up; luckily {{AP|Squirtle}} arrived in time to fill Kingler's spot.

====''[[Pokémon the Series: Ruby and Sapphire]]'' and [[Pokémon Chronicles]]====
In ''[[HS04|Showdown at the Oak Corral]]'', Kingler made a cameo appearance telling the other Pokémon about [[Cassidy]] and [[Butch]].

In ''[[HS14|Journey to the Starting Line!]]'', Kingler watched a group of {{p|Marill}} do a dance. This caused it to get dizzy and clamp onto {{AP|Phanpy}}'s tail, which led to a turn of events that caused a group of [[starter Pokémon]] to escape Professor Oak's lab.

In ''[[AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime]]'', Kingler quickly made friends with [[Ash's Corphish]].

====''[[Pokémon the Series: Black & White]]''====
Kingler was reunited with Ash in ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]'', where it and the rest of Ash's Pokémon posed in a group photo with him.

====''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]''====
[[File:Ash and Kingler.png|thumb|220px|Kingler and Ash]]
Kingler, along with the rest of Ash's Pokémon at the lab, reunited with Ash in ''[[JN114|Friends, Rivals, Lend Me Your Spirit!]]''. During the visit, it was seen relaxing with Corphish and later watched the battle between Ash and [[Paul]]. Before Ash left, it posed with the rest of Ash's Pokémon in a group photo with him.

From ''[[JN118|Battling as Hard as Stone!]]'' onwards, Kingler watched Ash's [[Masters Eight Tournament]] matches against {{an|Steven Stone|Steven}}, {{an|Cynthia}}, and {{an|Leon}}. In ''[[JN132|Partners in Time!]]'', Kingler appeared as a vision to Pikachu during his battle against Leon's {{p|Charizard}}.

In ''[[JN135|Heroes Unite!]]'', Kingler, along with the rest of the Pokémon at the lab, welcomed Ash back to Pallet Town after his victory over Leon.

In [[JN143]], Kingler was shown to have rejoined Ash's team. During the episode, it helped in freeing a trapped {{p|Wailmer}}. Despite Wailmer evolving into a {{p|Wailord}} and getting stuck again, they were able to free the Float Whale Pokémon.

===Personality and characteristics===
In its [[EP013|debut]], Krabby appeared to be fiery and brash, challenging {{Ash}} to a fight, despite him not even being a Pokémon. However, upon being caught, Krabby mellowed out significantly and became a very modest and quiet Pokémon. This is most likely due to its residence with {{an|Professor Oak}}, who said in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'' that Pokémon take on the personality of the person who spends the most time with it.

In {{pkmn|battle}}, Kingler was quite determined, not giving up against [[Mandi]] despite, at face value, being the underdog against all three of his Pokémon. Kingler was a very modest victor, happily hugging its {{pkmn|Trainer}}, but not waving to the crowd or gloating at Mandi. These are more of Oak's traits coming through, as opposed to the rest of Ash's team. This is most likely the reason Kingler never secured a permanent position on Ash's team. It has proven strong in battle, loyal, and caring, but the very little time spent together has likely led Ash to feel more secure using his other Pokémon. Kingler, like {{AP|Muk}} and {{AP|Tauros}}, remains a trump card in Ash's arsenal.

=== Appearance ===
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|-
! style="background:#{{water color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" |As a Krabby
|- style="background:#fff"
|[[File:Ash Krabby.png|200px]]
|}
===Moves used===
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{{anmov|normal|Harden|EP075|Round One - Begin!}}
{{anmov|normal|Vise Grip|EP075|Round One - Begin!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|normal|Leer|EP075|Round One - Begin!}}
{{anmov|normal|Stomp|EP075|Round One - Begin!}}
{{anmov|water|Water Gun|EP075|Round One - Begin!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|water|Bubble|EP075|Round One - Begin!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|water|Crabhammer|EP075|Round One - Begin!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|normal|Hyper Beam|EP075|Round One - Begin!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov/f|water}}

===Artwork===
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|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{water color dark}}; background: #{{water color light}}" | [[File:Pokémon Aim to Be a Pokémon Master poster.png|x250px]]
|-
| Poster for the Japanese version of ''{{color2|000|Pokémon: Aim to Be a Pokémon Master}}''
|}

==In the manga==
===The Electric Tale of Pikachu===
[[File:Ash Kingler EToP.png|200px|thumb|Kingler in The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]
[[Ash Ketchum (EToP)|Ash]] caught Kingler off-screen as a Krabby and used it in ''[[ET12|Welcome to the Big Leagues]]''. During the battle, it defeated a {{p|Golbat}}, allowing Ash to move on in the Indigo League tournament.

====Moves used====
{{anmov/h|water||Ash Kingler Crabhammer EToP.png|Using Crabhammer}}
{{anmov|water|Crabhammer|ET12|Welcome to the Big Leagues}}
{{anmov/f|water}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Full Party Poké Ball anime.png|thumb|220px|Krabby's Poké Ball teleporting away due to Ash having a full team]]
* Kingler is the first:
** {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} {{Ash}} has {{pkmn2|caught}} while having a full [[party]] of six. The same wouldn't happen again until {{AP|Sewaddle}}'s capture in ''[[BW018|Sewaddle and Burgh in Pinwheel Forest!]]'', 662 episodes later.
** {{type|Water}} Pokémon to have [[Evolution|evolved]] under Ash's ownership, and the only one to have done so until {{AP|Frogadier}} in ''[[XY052|A Stealthy Challenge!]]'', 776 episodes later.
*** Additionally, it was Ash's only evolved Water type until the capture of {{AP|Palpitoad}} in ''[[BW032|Facing Fear with Eyes Wide Open!]]''.
** Pokémon to have evolved in a [[Pokémon League]] match, and the only one to have done so until {{AP|Incineroar}} in ''[[SM143|Fiery Surprises!]]'', 1,007 episodes later.
* Kingler is the only one of Ash's Pokémon to have won in a Pokémon League match single-handedly, excluding one-on-one matches.
* Kingler is the only Pokémon Ash caught in [[Kanto]] during the [[original series]] to have not appeared neither physically nor in a flashback during ''[[Pokémon the Series: Black & White]]'', only appearing in the photograph at the end of ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]''.
* Kingler has had the longest absence of any Pokémon that has remained in Ash's ownership, with a gap of 792 episodes between its physical appearances in ''[[AG133|The Right Place and the Right Mime]]'' and ''[[JN114|Friends, Rivals, Lend Me Your Spirit!]]''.
** Kingler has also so far gone the longest without being used in an onscreen battle out of all the Pokémon currently in Ash’s possession, having last battled in ''[[EP217|The Perfect Match!]]''.
* Out of all of Ash's Pokémon, Kingler has spent the most amount of time at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]], having remained there almost constantly since it was caught in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]''.
* In {{game|Yellow}}, a game highly based on the anime, Krabby's encounter rate is 70%, as opposed to {{2v2|Red|Blue}}'s encounter rate of 33%. In addition, in Yellow only, it is possible to catch Kingler by [[fishing]] on Route 25. These additions of commonness are likely made as a reference to Ash's Kingler.

==Related articles==
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{{Ash's Pokémon|water}} 
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User talk:Force Fire/Archive 13

2022-11-07T01:46:10Z

Kevin128: /* Shipping overhaul */ new section

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}

== Suggestions ==

Hi! Where could I submit suggestions for the editorial board to consider? I've just finished completing the learnsets for every move in LA and with that I'd like to drastically overhaul/simplify how the move learnset templates look. It'd be a lot of work, but there is plenty of time until the next games. I already discussed the matter with [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] who broadly supported it, so I'd like to start the official process of having my suggestions evaluated/fine-tuned/accepted. You can find everything you need to know [[User:Oneofthosedf/Sandbox|in my sandbox]].

Another suggestion would be using galleries when we list the confirmed Pokémon an artist has designed. This seems pretty straight-forward to me, I hope I don't need to list reasons as to why. It would really help people understand and appreciate the artists more.

[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 20:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

:Could I at least get an answer? Or could you redirect me to a person who can help me with the process?

: '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]] 15:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
::Apologies for the late response. I'll briefly go over your points. Point 1 and 4 seem to go hand in hand, I wouldn't mind using the sugimori artwork in favor of the menusprites for single image templates. Using them for a list makes the template look larger than it needs to be, so menusprites (being smaller) works better imo. As for the types, the older ones are preferred because the text is larger than those on the newer symbols. The new symbol may look nicer but it doesn't help those unaware of what those smbol represents.
::For points 2 and 3, Maahirmomtaz is in the wrong here. I have no idea why they are making those edits and someone should ask them why on their talk page. If they doesn't respond, then staff can make them respond. Using the sup template for game specific moves is indeed how we do things. Though I do agree that it has recently gotten ridiculous, and your templates are indeed a better way of showing them. I don't think having both games and generations in one header would be confusing, as long as the reader understands the purpose of such layout.
::For point 5, I'm 50/50 on it. I think they should be separated for being completely different learning methods, but I can understand merging them to save space.
::As for the galleries, eh. We don't do that for voice actor articles, so I don't think it's worth doing it for the designer articles. Just bloats the article up, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response. I hope I didn't come off as arrogant, but I'm just used to sending a reminder to offices IRL. There was no frustration behind it.
:::The two points that I care about most are #3 and #5, the ones that would require the most work and the ones that are most needed. I'll address all of them one by one briefly.
:::'''1:''' I just think the different line heights look pretty jarring. Consistency is always the best, and considering we can fix all the templates that use menusprites this easily, it should be done. I do dislike that all of them need to be 68x68, but that's life. Nothing we can do about that (unless of course we move away from pixel art, which gives us endless sclability options).
:::'''2&3:''' I think they noticed the situation getting ridiculous as well. If my suggestions are accepted, we would only need to use the superscripts for the few forms and new Pokémon that were introduced in Pt, B2W2, ORAS and USUM. I trust the reader will understand it. But we can always leave a note in the footer explaining that Gen VII and Gen VIII needed to be broken up.
:::'''4:''' I think the era of menusprites is over. We'll inevitably get confirmation in a few months when the SV trailers start to showcase some gameplay. But neither BDSP nor LA uses them anymore. I think it's done. Consistency is always the best move, and a core quality of Bulbapedia. I love the spritework personally, but they don't look as good on the Switch as they do on Bulbapedia. We can't keep using menusprites and the LA headshots with whatever SV will introduce, then a possible fourth artstyle by the end of 2023. I understand the issue with the Sugimori artworks taking up too much place, but technically they wouldn't. There would be just less white spaces. I pray for a game where every Pokémon is available again (mainly for this reason), but until then the Sugimori artworks are the only thing every Pokémon has (Eiscue forms and Galarian Zen Darmanitan don't need to be incldued, thankfully). I also don't think they look bad, I can try making a longer list with 100+ Pokémon if that's something you think would be more convincing.
:::'''4:''' As for the type bars, I'm not sure that I understand your complaint. I don't see why we'd need to use the ones from 2006. AFAIK the Fairy type bars are fan-made. My sandbox displays the version with the type names. They are perfectly legible, and the symbols aren't too small either. The colors broadly fit the colors Bulbapedia uses as well. We should move away from pixel art, because monitors with higher resolutions don't accommodate them too well. I need to zoom out a whole lot for them to look crisp. Ironically the type bars I am using are now obsolete as well, BDSP, LA and SV use a new version, so I shall implement those (though I'd need permission to remove the dead space around them).
:::'''5:''' This is partly about future-proofing, partly about reducing bloat, and partly about displaying information as neatly as possible. I am certain we will get new learning/tutoring methods later down the line, and we don't need another section for Giga Drain with 300+ entries that contains the same information. It also addressed the issue with moves that keep going for TMs to tutors to TRs, then back to tutors, etc. I don't think it would be confusing at all.
:::'''Galleries:''' I wouldn't want them to be used on voice actor pages either, utterly useless IMO. I think there is a stronger argument for displaying artworks on the pages of the designers. A list just feels lifeless, while a gallery feels respectful to the artists, and helps users understand their design philosophy.
:::I want to get as much input from experienced users as possible. I really want these changes to accommodate everyone, since I think this is the way going forward and something no other big sites have. How should I go about gaining supporters for this? I refrained from writing individual community members as I feel that constitutes as spam. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 12:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Your posts doesn't seem arrogant or confrontational at all. I can understand wanting to bump a discussion when an admin doesn't respond to it. If you want to reach out to more users but not spam multiple talk pages, you can always use the [[Editor's hub]] talk page. Though going to a staff member works just as well, as they will most likely relay the message onto the other staff members in the staff discord.
::::1: Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes. We can't expand the smallest menusprite to be the same size as the largest menusprite.
::::2/3: Seems we are in agreement on this. I don't mind separate columns within a generation for separate games.
::::4: I was actually under the impression that the artwork would make the other cells have more whitespace than needed as opposed to menusprites, but checking now, doesn't seem to be the case. Probably is more ideal looking comparing the two again.
::::4: As for the types, (if I remember correctly) that was what was mentioned as the reason for using the older type images in a staff chat. The text would appear too small in the size we would have them, as opposed to the older images where the text were essentially the image. It's probably fine for mobile, but not so much for desktop.
::::5: Yeah, not entirely against reducing repeated information, so I won't be bother if we do decide to merge them together.
::::Galleries: That's understandable. I think having the images be smaller would change my mind, just having them how it is on your page makes it seem cluttered.
::::And just a couple points about your templates: I think leaving the tutor/tm/tr row white works best to avoid color clashes (using EP for IoA may or may not be confused with CT, unless there's not much of a difference in movesets), and leaving out games where the move isn't coded in makes sense (though I think a note in the footnote might be best to avoid confused users asking questions).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::1: I was thinking about what we have on the [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl]] page. The version-exclusive list already uses the Moveevtrytm template, so we'd only need to change the headers (I think). The images are not altered, only centered. I am not exactly sure which part of the code makes them appear this way, but you can't deny that it looks more cohesive.
:::::4: Here is an image (https://imgur.com/n0czury) I want you to look at. I use 2560x1440 monitors and at default zoom, everything on Bulbapedia appears to me as it does in the bottom row. Amazing for artworks. So much detail. Terrible for spritework, unfortunately. In order to enjoy them, I need to use 80% zoom (the standard for smaller resolutions), which makes everything tiny. You can also compare the readability of the type bars on the image. Exact same font height. I think one can read both just fine. By completely getting rid of spritework, we now have a zoom-proof wiki. People who are hard of seeing can now freely zoom in without the fear of blurry pixelart. So my proposal actually accommodates readability, if you think about it. It also shows that we don't need to stick with 68px, we can go smaller, if we want to further reduce scrolling. Or we can use 70px on move pages, but go with 50px for the headers on Pokémon pages. Endless possibilities. It would need some manual work, since the naming conventions for menusprites and Sugimori artwork are different, but that's part of future-proofing.
:::::Galleries: Okay, I'll make some variations. I just used the default Bulbapedia gallery, I'm fine with scaling down.
:::::IoA is unfortunately completely unreadable on a white background, and since it's neither a game, neither a separate DLC, using the EP superscript is more accurate. We don't list the tutor locations on the move pages (not in this case), so it doesn't matter whether it's obvious that the tutors are available on the IoA or the CT. Anyone who has access to one of them, automatically can access the other. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 15:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::1:The way it's done on the bdsp article is indeed good, that's because the moveentry template has the image align-centered and at a height of 70px. I should note that I'm under the impression that the problem here is the size discrepancy between menusprites, hence "Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes." The LA menusprites, on the other hand, would lean me towards using sugimori art due to them being way different than the usual menusprites.
::::::4:Seems you're using a slightly bigger screen that me. But still, for me at least, menusprites or sugimori artwork still look completely fine regardless of 80% or 100% scale. But I am leaning towards sugimori art. As for type images, I still stand by using the older ones. Same as the menusprite vs artwork, I personally can see both just fine regardless of scale, but the text of the newer images being slightly squished to make way for the symbol wuld make it slightly harder to read.
::::::Galleries: They look fine now. TRG didn't really need to add examples of other designers, just one example is fine. If you are fine with the approval of one admin, you can go ahead and add the galleries.
::::::Fair enough, I don't have much else to say about the templates design wise, so they're fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, my next post will be on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. I am 100% on the side of using Sugimori, so I'm happy with your replies. My original idea for the type bars was just to use the highlighted texts we use everywhere else on Bulbapedia. I don't know if their implementation is feasible, but I'll ask around and if it is, I'll throw it in the suggestion. I'm thinking of something like this (visual edit, not coded): https://imgur.com/msd1Gzi. I'll go ahead and add the galleries, and I'm thankful for TRG, because they did save me a lot of work. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 14:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! I finally posted my full suggestion on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 22:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Designers ==

I had a thought that it would be nicer to find all designers by giving them navigation infobox. I made it here, can I add it? [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Team_Rocket_Grunt&oldid=3489199#Designer_Template]--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:Sure. Surprised we don't already have a category for them as well, though both a nav box and category would probably be redundant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

== Reverting literally all of my edits ==

ForceFire, why are you reverting literally all of my edits you notice? You seem to be biased against me like I'm an undercover Soviet (which I am NOT!). Can you please explain this? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:I monitor the recent changes regularly and check edits that catch my attention, especially if it's a user that has made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first user that I have monitored the edits of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

But why are you calling literally all my edits problematic? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 19:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Because you've either A)[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Earth_Power_(move)&diff=prev&oldid=3487028 added] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flygon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3476113 very] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Giratina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3387459 unnotable] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=May_(anime)&diff=prev&oldid=3463623 trivia] B) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490879 constantly] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_form_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490878 reverted] edits, i.e. edit war or C) [[Talk:Pokémon controversy#Highly Risky/Inappropriate Website Link|Have very]] [[Talk:Gender#Inappropriate citation|extreme views]] [[Bulbapedia_talk:General disclaimer#Wikipedia links|on things]] that we can't control. That's why your edits are "problematic" and are worth monitoring.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, I'll have you know that I have religious beliefs against sexuality and that's why I've tried to sex-proof Bulbapedia by removing links like that.

Second, my edit on the form difference page was a legitimate edit because there are Pokemon that change HP stay based on their formes, such as Zygarde. It says on there "other than HP" which is genuinely incorrect.

Third, you are right that I should not be adding personal opinions like my similarities to May or that Giratina is my favorite Pokemon, but some people do legitimately mistake Flygon for a Pseudo-legendary, for example. I added that piece of information specifically because I've had people say to me that Flygon among a few others is a Pseudo-legendary, and I even specified why in the trivia it was not.

At this point I think you are completely biased against me, whether it's because of stupid mistakes I did make or simply because you disagree with me, but that is no reason to treat me this way. I've been treated this way by too many people in my life and I'm tired of it. I've already mentioned this to a member of the editorial board in fact. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 22:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that most of your edits were reverted by me is just a consequence of me monitoring the recent changes and checking edits of users that have made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first, nor are you the only, nor will you be the last user whose edits I monitor from the recent changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for analysis ==

Hello, I'm sending this message to ask about the possibility that these pages here meet requirements to go to mainspace. Boldore's page, I think, will fulfill the requirements from Friday's episode. I'm also sending a link with a shortcut to some Trainer templates for some characters, I know some of them don't meet the requirements, but probably one or two might work.

The other two are from events that happened and don't have pages, I tried to follow the same pattern as other events in the anime. I'm sending mainly because I have a lot of pages to be mounted in my userspace, and I want to try to reduce that amount.

* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Mewtwo (game)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Boldore]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Ash Ketchum (A Ripple in Time)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Flower Arrangement]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Sinnoh Fair]]
* [[User:Hikaru_Wazana#Templates|Templates]]

There are some from other users, i hope I don't have a problem with that, which I also wanted to know if it was possible to be analyzed.

* [[User:Pikablu/Gladion’s Zoroark]]
* [[User:05308/Professor Sycamore's Garchomp]]
* [[User:Lockheedpryde/Francois]]

These are pages that I helped in some sections and that I wanted to work on more, but as they are pages of other users, I don't know if something can be done without their consent. And some of them aren't often here, so there's little point in trying to get in touch.

I thank you in advance.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 03:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:Mewtwo's role in the game is not as notable or important to the plot of its game as Arceus is to Legends. Not every Pokemon is a sliver of importance in a game is notable for its own article. And adding its appearance in other media doesn't make it notable.
:Goh's Boldore would be notable, regardless of its role in the next episodes, as it had an important role in a previous episode.
:I think the Ash article is fine.
:Both Flower Arrangement and Sinnoh Fair would need a bit of cleanup, some external link template at the bottom, and they're good.
:For the Anime character Pokemon tmeplates, we only makes them when one of their Pokemon has an article and if they have more than one Pokemon. So only Cynthia, Korrina, Brandon, Clair, Volkner, and Barry are fine. The Adventures template seems fine, but best to ask someone who edits to manga section for their opinion.
:All three are fine.
:As for [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)|these]] [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)|two]]. These are not notable. Quality over Quantity. They are too small to be articles. We want fully fleshed articles, not articles that are a couple of paragraphs surrounded by colorful templates.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Can I be transferring these pages that you approved to the mainspace? I asked BigDocFan for help, not to exceed my daily personal edit limit. And I'll be working on the details you mentioned that need to be done in the others.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::You can move the pages/templates that I gave approved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::None of Volkner's Pokémon have a page. Why is his template approved? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::Oh, could've sworn one of his Pokemon had an article, then yeah, that isn't notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Boldore is unable to be moved, can you solve this?I was going to wait until Friday, but since we're doing it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think whoever moved the Volkner template got confused. Anyway, I think it can be reversed, no?
'''''Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.'''''
::::::::::::::OK everything is fine. Thanks for the feedback.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Does the template requiring only one Pokémon apply only to the anime? Because this template [[User:Animaltamer7/Whitley's Pokémon]] otherwise qualifies. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::I think this one is the same as the Adventures template, Rahl. It has to be discussed with someone who takes care of the manga part of the site.

::Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you, Force Fire and everyone. I saw that it took some extra work to make all the changes. Next time I'll try not to accumulate so as not to generate extra work for the whole team. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:::The rule should apply to both manga and anime character's Pokemon. That one should be fine, as she has more than one Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Great. Thank you. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:I'm guessing none of Volkner's Pokemon are considered worthy enough for their own page, Electivire and Luxray seem worthy but haven't done much besides battling.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Electivire's role is bigger in the manga than in the anime, in Adventures, Volkner uses it to face Giratina, train {{adv|Platinum}} and among other things. I thought about making a page of it from this version, but apparently in the manga characters pages, the notability rule is different. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::[[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Manga/Manga Pokémon notability policy|See here for Manga notability requirements]]. I'm not knowledgeable on the manga, so best ask someone that is for their opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

==Goh's Boldore==
Now that JN102, can Boldore be mainspaced, if so could you do it because of the redirect link. Also, Boldore was shown to withstand Sheer Cold so can we take this as it having the ability Sturdy?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::I already realized that, I [[Talk:List_of_Goh%27s_Pok%C3%A9mon#Boldore.27s_Ability|opened]] a discussion about Boldore's ability before. It's not the first time Goh has used Boldore's stamina for something in the anime, for me there is no doubt that this Pokémon's ability is Sturdy.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::I think Sturdy's depiction of a Pokemon withstanding attacks is too vague to make an educated guess, many, ''many'', Pokemon have withstood attacks and a majority don't have Sturdy. So Sturdy is an ability that needs to be explicitly mentioned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Isn't the fact it was the only one to withstand Sheer Cold not enough proof? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::I don't recall if ohko moves have been explicitly referred to as such in the anime, or if the concept of move being an ohko move exists, so Sheer Cold could just be seen as any other move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Eternatus ==
So yesterday I added more info to Goh's Eternatus page, as I thought it should cover Eternatus as the Darkest Day. Do you think it's a good idea to rename the page to something like Eternatus (Darkest Day) and re-add the info?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 11:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think there being a manga version of Goh's specific Eternatus makes it more "unique", as in it's not just any random Eternatus. I don't think a separate article for the one specific game Eternatus is needed, that can be put in their respective sections in their respective articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for deletion ==

I saw you deleting some pages in the RC's, so could you take a look at other {{cat|pages to be deleted}}? I think they're sitting there and the staff didn't make a backlog of these pages.

The pages about battle facility Pokémon in that category can be deleted because these have been replaced. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:Staff will get to the articles in those categories, and any other categories of similar nature, when they can. We have lives. No need to get all worried and panicky about this sort of stuff.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== evkl's welcome template ==

I think I realize by now that I could have just copied my own version to my own userspace and do the modifications there, right?

I did so because the current version of the welcome template has an issue with the signature field. Specifically, it [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810939859585597441/954752642033266748/Screenshot_20220319-150011.png breaks on mobile devices], so I wanted to create a non-breaking version. (My custom CSS has that all tables are to have {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|border-collapse}} set to {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|separate}}, so it might look different for you). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 14:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Regular/casual users aren't going to find it anyway. It doesn't matter.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
::Okay. I decided to just have my own version [[User:Bfdifan2006/Welcome|in my own userspace]], but with the content matching the one in evkl's version (for consistency). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Caterpie ==

This page [[User:Rahl/Goh's Caterpie]] meets the notability requirements. Could it get mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Lavender Town and hoaxes ==

You do realize that, outside of the community, Lavender Town is known for being the subject of tons of hoaxes and not specifically Lavender Town Syndrome, right? Also, anyone who has learned about the myth that the music was changed would have learned about the whole hoax. No one's gonna mention that the music was supposedly changed and not the suicides and such. The effects are the entire point of the hoax. The music was simply the backdrop. The trivia point skates around mentioning a specific hoax by completely ignoring why people outside of the community know that music change lie. So, if it's truly notable enough, the reason it's notable at all should be included. Nobody cares that the music was changed, people only care why it was supposedly changed. Add what people know it for or delete it. That part by itself lacks any notability. Since you can't mention a specific hoax, the only option is to get rid of it. The fact that Lavender Town's the subject of hoaxes is infinitely more notable than that, and therefore infinitely more worthy than the current point. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Your reason holds absolutely no water. [[User:General Kipicus|General Kipicus]] ([[User talk:General Kipicus|talk]]) 23:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Dub season logos in series' pages ==

I was thinking that dub season logos could be added in the individual series' pages. Here is an [[User:Ricbolog1310/Sandbox|example]]. What do you think?--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 13:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's fine, though it's probably more appropriate in the gallery section of those articles, as it's already there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I was being consistent with the way logos are shown in the original series page. [[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:Ah, only checked the RS article. Well, if it's already done there, then can't see why it can't be done on the other series article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. In this case I'll add them.--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== "Undiscovered" Egg Group ==

All move pages still use the name "Undiscovered" instead of "No Eggs Discovered". Are they supposed to?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 23:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== N Template ==

So you deleted the template for {{adv|N}}, which I think might have been a mistake. He has four Pokémon with pages.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:While I'm on the topic, Pryce, Lt. Surge, Koga, Jasmine, and Blaine have more than one Pokémon with a page.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 17:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::12 years ago, this was [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates#OK, enough.|proposed]] by [[User talk:electAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]], a now-retired staff member. I think the staff brought this up again, on the staff-only section of the forums. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:::No. No it was not brought up on the staff forums nor on the staff discord. I found it after trying to remember where exactly I saw the "rules" I laid out in my [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Force_Fire&diff=3494678&oldid=3494609 previous response]. Admittedly I could only vaguely remember the first rule, and not the second.
:::As for those, may have missed the manga specific articles as I was mainly focused on the anime part. I've restored those one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks for fixing those. {{unsigned|Rahl}}

== Three questions ==

# If you think a similar bit is actually okay on the [[Buck]] page, then why did you remove the bit I added to [[kodama]]'s page? I know search is the bigger issue here, but I think it requires to be talked about.
# Is it okay that I can mainspace my {<nowiki/>{[[User:Bfdifan2006/code|code]]}} template? Bulbapedia did have it at some point, but it was deleted. Using it is actually much easier than having to type {{#tag:code|{{#tag:nowiki|<code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code>}}}} (without the <code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code> in some cases). Of course, I will change the documentation template used on the template page (after mainspacing the page) to the one {{u|bthrussellUK}} made.
# I think I could create the page {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|Template:Tl}} (short for "template link") as a redirect to the {{template|template}} link template. I feel its name is too long in this case, but I am not requesting you to move the template. What do you think?
--'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
:First of all, I did not add the baku bit to Buck's article. Do not make false accusations, you are treading a very thin line here. Secondly, just because it's elsewhere doesn't mean it's okay. I've removed it.
:No and no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

== April Fools' Day 2022 article (serious matter) ==

For the article about this day (which is currently located at [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]]), you said it can go back to the mainspace when April 1 is over in all parts of the world. In that case, it should be re-mainspaced on April 2, at 11:00 UTC (which is when April 1 is over in Niue). Ideally, this would be at 12:00 UTC on that day, but all territories that use UTC -12 are uninhabited. The time zone that is the furthest behind but used by people is UTC -11, used in Niue. See [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20220402T110000&p1=196&p2=724&p3=1471&p4=1440 here]. I'm saying this is serious, so you don't treat it as an April Fools' joke.

Do not create a new article about the same thing. After re-mainspacing mine, just expand it. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:... This was completely unnecessary. You, or anyone, can just move the page once April 2nd roll over. No need to spam my talk page with this nonsense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I mainspaced BthrussellUK's version of the article because it was already more fleshed out than yours.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

:::Just delete [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]], I don't need that anymore. I included most info about Duck there, in fear that the article will be deleted, but since it wasn't, all this is redundant. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
== [[April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)]] ==
In the first section on this page, the link that says "Duckling" is meant to link to the {{DL|April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)|Evolution}} section of that page, but now it links to the page's original title. Can you fix that so it doesn't need to reload the page to just load a redirect? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

== Mascots ==

I literally added a similar bit to {{p|Meloetta}}'s page, stating it being the mascot of [[Pokémon Showdown]]. Nobody removed it, so why wasn't the Poképédia mascot thing notable for {{p|Uxie}}? And I am not calling you to remove that bit from Meloetta's page. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 11:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because a Pokemon being used as a mascot for a fansite is not notable. The Uxie bit has also been removed many times before with the same reasoning. I know what I'm doing, I've been around a fair bit. Azumarill, Koffing, Celebi, and Bulbasaur (to name a few) also don't have trivia about them being mascots of Marriland, Smogon, Serebii, and Bulbapedia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

== I found a source that calls the pattern on Eevee's tail a heart ==

https://dragonsabbath.proboards.com/thread/27/heart-tailed-eevee

In this community, there was a user who agreed with my post claiming the Eevee has a heart on its tail. The user who replied to this thread at the bottom said that it was a heart, and didn't mention anything about a flower. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 11:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Other "fans" agreeing with your opinion does not count as a source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why did you put the word fans in quotation marks? Are you implying you think I made this up? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 12:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because the user that agreed with you has a Wobbuffet related name and avatar, and you have a thing regarding Wobbuffet (be it about a metagame strategy, your brother and his multiple wobbuffet accounts on showdown, or about someone making troll comments on your youtube videos), so yes it's hard to believe that it's really someone else.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

This guy is actually Leonard Craft III, who is a known moderator on Pokemon Showdown (DaWoblefet) so it's not who you're thinking of. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, he wasn't the only one who agreed with me. A guy with an elephant avatar also agreed with me, and I never talked about the weird thing I used to have about Phanpy yet. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:The other user did not agree with you, they were just saying that it was cute, not that it had a "heart" shape pattern. Another user also questions whether the pattern is actually a heart or a flower.
:Bottom line is, the opinions of others do not matter, only the official sources do (and a random forum is not an official source). in this case, where there is no official source, we go but what makes the most sense, and the pattern being a flower makes the most sense. '''Because the pattern loops around the tail, it is not confined to one part of the tail.''' Bolded for emphasis.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

There was another user in the thread who posted a picture of an official Eevee source proving there was a heart on its tail. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:They just reposted the official artwork, there's not source actually saying that it's meant to be a heart. And you're simply refusing to listen, the pattern '''''surrounds''''' its tail, therefore, when you view it from '''''above''''' it forms a flower. I suggest you drop this, as you are simply trying to get your own way by assuming other people agreeing with you somehow validates your opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[File:Partner Eevee gender differences.png|280px]] Discussion's over. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

== Crunch/Thunder Fang ==

I strongly, ''strongly'' disagree with you on this. Those weren't electric spark, just energy sparks of the energy jaws hitting each other. In every other way, it's identical to Houndoom's Crunch. That minor of a difference shouldn't count as evidence towards a much more illogical move. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Ok, fair point about the sparks, but it still doesn't mean it's Crunch. Crunch does not have a unique enough animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::We've seen two confirmed cases of Crunch in Journeys, and in my opinion, comparing them with Huntail's move counts as good evidence of it being Crunch. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
:::The difference between the elemental fangs and Crunch (and to an extent, Bite) is that the former have an extra flair to their animations, whereas the latter two do not. A simple biting animation could be either Crunch or Bite. You can bring up the other examples of "Crunch" all you want, the bottom line is, the animation is too simple and vague to be a specific move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Bite has a distinctively different animation compared to Crunch in Journeys. Crunch is jaws of energy clamping down on the opponent, whereas with Bite, the user releases teeth-shaped energies from its mouth at the opponent. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG ==

I strongly suspect that this person is actually Kittystyler. Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3368600&oldid=3366636 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3381334&oldid=3378827 edits] (both from confirmed sockpuppets) with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3416204&oldid=3414820 this edit]. In addition, they seem to focus on character relationships and their grammar structure just seems similar to Kittystyler in general. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Unfortunately I can't compare their IP addresses as all of KittyStyler's socks have been inactive for too long to compare them to MinnieG. Making similar edits is considered circumstantial, and the only other evidence I have is regarding their email, but that's too weak of evidence to say they're a sock of KittyStyler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah... I'm aware it's circumstantial evidence, but I do still feel like it's at least worth looking out for. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

== Re: Images ==

I understand that not all articles need appearances sections for two stage evolutions, I just thought they did because I saw a couple of them that did, like [[Casey's Meganium]] and [[Serena's Delphox]].--[[User:MinneG|MinnieG]] ([[User talk:MinnieG|talk]]) 09:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Update "Upcoming Anime "Page with Up-To-Date Upcoming Episodes (ASAP) ==

All the episodes listed are out of date. Could you or someone please fix this by display upcoming current episodes that are coming and up to date (like the one coming this week)? Also, could you do this for all the channels and locations?

https://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Upcoming_anime

I already made a comment on the page's Talk page, but there is no answer. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 22:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:This news page is being moved to a new place at some point in the future and is no longer being updated. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a million. I was wondering what was going on. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 00:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

== Attack Order ==

I've found a YouTube video that shows one of the Japanese-exclusive Professor Oak's lecture segments, this one specifically from the DP series. In it, a Vespiquen attacks Professor Oak with a move that he identifies as Attack Order. And it looks nothing like the move the Combee used in [[DP032]], which Bulbapedia has counted as Vespiquen using Attack Order. Should it be changed to a move error of the Combee using Psybeam? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:I'll have to find the Japanese episode somehow to verify, but judging by DP032's talk page, seems to be guesswork. As for the move Combee used, it could've been any beam move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
::Based on the rainbow colors, it's most likely Psybeam, but whatever it is, it's not Attack Order. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Found a Japanese version of the episode. Attack Order wasn't mentioned at any point. May I delete the mentions of Attack Order in relation to DP032? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 23:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Go for it. I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't stated in the original version due to it being guesswork in the first place.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::As for Psybeam: here's a pair of comparison images:
:::::[[:File:Cheryl Mothim Psybeam.png|Cheryl's Mothim using Psybeam in DP031]]
:::::[[:File:Combee Psybeam.png|Combee's move from DP032]]
:::::Both beams are multicolored, have identical animations, and are from consecutive episodes in the same series. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't matter if it looks similar to other instances of Psybeam, it's still a vague "mutli-colored beam". It is too simple of an animation. [[:File:Zoey Gallade Signal Beam.png|Signal Beam]] and [[:File:Suicune Aurora Beam DP028.png|Aurora Beam]] were also portrayed as a "multi-colored beam" during DP, so it could also be any of those two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I admit, those two beams look similar. But the images I provided use the same colors, despite being multicolored, and there weren't any beam attacks used during the DP series that used the same multicolor scheme as Psybeam. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

== Suicune and Cubone ==

Hi, good morning. I would like to know, if with today's episode, what are the chances of [[User:BigDocFan/Goh's Suicune|Suicune]] and [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Cubone|Cubone]] going to mainspace. I mean, in the case of the Cubone, technically, it achievied the requirements today. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss another topic with you, It's been a while since I've been putting together the images of the strips that anipoke's profile posts on Twiiter[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana/After_the_story]. I've been thinking that maybe this content fits better in the pages of each episode, because probably by the end of Journeys, this page can get huge and with a huge list of references. This page proved to be very complicated to update and put content, one of the reasons why I take so long to update it completely. What do you (or the Bulbapedia's staff) think about this idea?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Suicune and Cubone have been moved. As for the strips, they seem to be in the same vain as [[Get Inspired! Let's Solve a Poké Riddle!!]]. I think it's fine for its own article and for individual episodes to have it mentioned in the trivia, as we do with the other Japan exclusive bonus content.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

== [[Poke Ball (Jungle 64)]] ==

In regards to the deletion of {{redlink|Poke Ball (item)}} and {{redlink|Poke Ball (Hisui)}}, should the similar redirect for [[Poké Ball (Jungle 64)]] also be deleted? There are also other similar redirects such as: [[Pokemon (species)]], [[Pokemon (TCG)]], [[Poke Fan (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Maniac (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Kid (Trainer class)]], and so on. Thoughts? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

==Goh Pokemon Pages==
I was wondering if Grimer, Misdreavus and Absol were worthy of having their own pages right now?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to get involved in your conversation. But I wanted a suggestion, regarding this page [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Elemental Monkeys|here]]. When I created it, I imagined that the two monkeys would have similar screen time(Actually, I thought Goh was going to capture a Pansage up until this point), but Panpour apparently proved to be more notable than Pansear and technically, it met the requirements to go to mainspace, but Pansear has yet to have at least one more major appearance. What should I do in this case? Do I leave the page as it is or divide it to make room for a Panpour solo page?
::I'm wanting to reduce Goh's Pokémon pages, so much so that I'm waiting to see if Goh's Froakie will really have a relevance to the anime before actually making a page for it. If Froakie has a relevant role in the Greninja episode maybe I'll be working on it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Grimer, Misdreavus, and Absol all meet the notability requirements. As for Pansear/Panpour, only Panpour would be notable. And I think having individual articles for the two is better, it would only make sense to group them if he had all three and if there's not enough info to necessitate splitting them into three articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::Just so I understand, according to the rules, Frogadier (good thing I waited to create the page LOL) only needs one more major appearance in the anime, right? As for Panpour, well I put the monkeys page in a space that I reserved to be deleted. If you can sort this out for me, please.[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana#Candidates_to_delete]
:::::Having no idea what Goh's role would be in an anime series based on Scarlet and Violet, I think it's best to avoid having too many pages for his Pokémon. We are going to that moment when the Pokémon that are notable are, those that are not, unfortunately, will no longer be--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Do these three pages have what it takes to go to mainspace?
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Butterfree#In_the_anime]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Arctozolt]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Taillow]]
Theoretically, they are within the rules stipulated for Goh's Pokémon.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:55, 05 May 2022 (UTC)

== RE: Goh's Dustox ==
I understand. I just assumed that since they've appeared in at least three episodes, and two of them were mainly focused on them, I thought it was notable enough to give them their own articles. I saw that Trapinch's box was removed from the "Recurring" part of Goh's Pokémon. I'll just re-add Trapinch there, since you've informed me that his page was notable enough for an article.

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 05:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Pyukumuku ==
I wanted to know if Goh's Pyukumuku is eligible to receive its own page. It had three episodes in which was somewhat prominent on, and I wonder if it's enough to earn it it's page?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 15:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
:Don't just make the article after asking. Pyukumuku is notable for an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

== Image dispute ==

There's been disagreement over at Bulbagarden Archives, with Rahl reverting several images, some multiple times, because they don't agree with the reasons given to why the current version should be used. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unnecessary redirects ==

Yesterday, I removed the redirect "Unevolve", which had led to "Devolution" . Can you remove it? Also, there's a redirect page called "Literal Ghost" leading to "Ghost (literal)", even though only "Literal ghost" (with a small g) has ever been used on various talk pages. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

== Champion Pokemon ==

Hi, could [[User:Rahl/Wallace's Milotic]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Leon's Charizard]] be mainspaced? According to [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime|notability rules]], both qualify. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:Leon's Charizard has mostly just appeared in battles, so it's not notable yet. Wallace's Milotic, not too sure if opening the Wallace Cup would fall under having an impact on the plot (putting on a show in its debut appearance, doesn't), otherwise it's only other notable appearance is a battle, so that too wouldn't make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::I'm failing to see how they aren't notable according to the rules. Both are their signature Pokémon, have done nonbattle related things (Milotic with the Wallace Cup, Charizard with the Darkest Day and JN100), have media related to more than just the anime, and have had impact on the plot (both worked as a motivation for a main character to improve/develop). What exactly is missing for them to not be mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Am I going to hear back from you on this? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::::I see you've been editing over the past few days and am wondering if I'm going to hear back from you? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response. For Milotic, I'm not sure if its role in the Wallace Cup could be considered having an impact on the arc/plot, get second opinions for this one. For Charizard, all of its role were still mostly for battles, it needs to do something that isn't it battling another Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Who should I seek out for a second opinion on Milotic? And as for Charizard, while it has mostly battled, it serves as Ash's main obstacle to overcome in Journeys, helped with the Darkest Day crisis, and had a nonbattle role in JN100 where it trained with Leon and Ash. We also know it is going to have more appearances, not to mention its role in the manga, games, TGC, and multiple other animes. I think the 'only battled' argument is keeping this a little too restrictive. Leon's Charizard clearly deserves to have a page of its own. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::You can ask anyone about the notability Milotic's role, staff member or regular user. Basically just get the general idea of what others think. For Charizard, its appearance in other media doesn't make it more notable for an anime centric article. It can appear in 100 more episodes, but if it's all just battling, then it's still not notable. Leon used it very briefly in the training and Charizard doesn't really do anything of note. It being a motivator for Ash is more about the development of Ash than it is about Charizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Multiple people have voiced their agreement for Milotic. Could you please move the page to the mainspace? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Saw it and felt that it kinda missed the point. Mostly the opinion is "it appeared a whole bunch, so it has to be notable" not about what it actually ''did'' in those episodes. I'll repeat what I said about Charizard, Milotic could appear in another 100 episodes but if it ''didn't do anything of note'', it still wouldn't be notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::"Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category." Since none of this seems to matter and we are not following them, can the notability rules be changed so this problem doesn't happen again? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in '''and''' had some impact on the plot". It has to do more than battle ''and'' what it does has to be impactful to the plot. They are not individual criteria.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Great. Milotic inspired Dawn and helped her regain her confidence in Contests. Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day and is acting as motivation for Ash in the World Series. Both impact the plot, and based on what I've seen, nobody else is arguing that these pages don't meet the criteria. This wiki is a collaborative effort, yet nothing is allowed to happen because you personally don't agree these fit the rules? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:39, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, I decided to post here because Rahl asked me to put my opinion.
::The problem is that Leon's Charizard page isn't exactly anime-centric. Let's say, Pokémon Evolutions has an episode that shows a lot of Leon's relationship with Charizard, Charizard is one of Leon's most frequent Pokémon in Twilight Wings. As I said in another topic, here are some pages that just don't make sense to be in the mainspace, [[Horacio's Vikavolt|this one]], for example, wasn't even finished and it was already approved.
::As for Milotic, I think the same thing, it's a champion's signature Pokémon. The rule that" only battles don't make it a notable Pokémon" seems confusing to me, because I had about three episodes removed from the content of Goh's Farfetch'd's page because they said at the time that these battles were not remarkable to be on his page. Far from wanting to criticize, but some rules need to be reviewed and updated in my opinion. Because that ends up creating more confusion than making things easier.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Charizard is an anime centric article because the anime info is the first thing that's highlighted. Just like how [[Agatha's Gengar]] and [[Lucy's Seviper]] are manga centric articles because the manga is what is first highlighted. Evolutions and Twilight Charizard is not the same as main series Charizard, just as game/manga Charizard is not the same as anime Charizard. They're all treated as individuals and not one and the same. So whatever Evolutions Charizard does has no bearing on what main series Charizard's notability, since the former is not the focus of the article. For Vikavolt, it's Horacio's signature and had a major role in its second appearance. That's why it has an article.
:::For Milotic, it's not what it does that's not notable it's how much do people think it was impactful that would determine its notability in this case. I don't remember much of the Wallace Cup arc, so I can't say if it was really impactful to the arc. For your edits that were removed, not every battle needs to be highlighted, just the ones deemed notable. Farfetch'd battling a Gym Leader's Pokemon? notable. Farfetch'd battling a random wild Pokemon that doesn't turn out to be anything special? not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::A Pokemon being a motivator for a character is more about the development of the character and not the overall arc. Which is what the criteria asks for. Not having an impact on a character, having an impact on an arc/plot. Charizard's involvement in Darkest Day was ultimately still a battle. Steven's Metagross is on a similar level, but is notable because it helped the characters infiltrate Team Flare's base, that's Metagross having some sort of impact on the plot (technically it was a battle, but there's a wider context).
:::The wiki is a collaborative effort, but if users aren't understanding the criteria, then staff are going to step in and make it clear what the criteria are asking for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::You said it yourself, having an impact on an arc/plot is what is important. Charizard has done that with the Darkest Day, yet for some reason battling-the major focus of Pokémon-is written off as being useless. Both of these Pokémon have a much larger role across both the anime and the franchise as a whole compared to something like Horacio's Vikavolt. Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role. So did both of these Champion's Pokémon. It makes no sense why these Pokémon have not done enough in your eyes. I suggest you change the language used for the notability rules, or at the very least find some consistency in your argument, as it is very unclear what the actual standards are. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 07:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role." A major role that wasn't just it battling another Pokemon, which Charizard's role in Darkest Day ultimately was. Metagross' role, because it's in a similar setting, was that it battled to help the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base. Charizard battled to stop a Pokemon. It wasn't to stop Rose from furthering his plans or something. It was still a Pokémon battle, something that isn't too out of the ordinary for a franchise about battling.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:It's ridiculous that to you Charizard is only notable if it participates in something like a dance contest instead of the large amount of stuff it has already done. Even then, Milotic has done nonrelated battle things and you still say that's not important. Nothing will be, will it? If you want to go against what the rules say and the general opinion of the wiki, fine, but please update the notability rules to fit your personal ideal so nobody else ends up wasting their time. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::If Charizard was in a competition and did something that had an impact on the plot, then it would be notable. Otherwise, if it didn't do anything else and just competed/played it straight, then it still wouldn't be notable (because it didn't do anything else). You're too caught up with the idea that simply appearing and being part of a non-battle event would make it notable. It doesn't. It's what it ''does'' during the episode that matters. Vikavolt helped free the Pokemon that was captured by Team Rocket in SM119 (which was when it was mainspaced), Goh's Dewgong protected Chloe and Eevee from a Huntail in JN063 (which was when it was mainspaced), Korrina's Lucario had multiple notable non-battle appearances by the time it was approved.
::As for Milotic, I repeat again. Is what it did important enough to the overall arc? You asked on Wallace's talk page but failed to bring that up, only bringing up the notability requirements and everyone else just says yes based off it. On surface level, yes it meets the notability requirement, but notability doesn't involve just reading the requirements and going "yep, it's notable". You have to think about and assess whether what it did in those non battle episodes would make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't even know if I should help the discussion, but here goes. In the anime, Leon's Charizard:
* It was confirmed to be Leon's Starter Pokémon. They even showed all its evolution stages in the anime.
* It was his choice to battle in the first World Championship. In other words, it was used in a competition by Leon.
* Charizard was used to defend Leon's title (which in the context of Journeys is the same as rivals' Gym Battles). This was, for example, what served to make Bianca's Pignite page notable [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bianca%27s_Emboar&oldid=1517799]. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Bianca%27s_Emboar#Noteworthy]. In short, it was used by Leon in the current WCS season.
* In the context of Darkest Day:
** Leon used Charizard to defeat Centiscorch and save Ash and his Pokémon.
** Leon used Charizard as a means of locomotion and to defeat the Coalossal. In other words, he used it for something other than battle.
** It was used against Eternatus, which according to Leon himself showed that he is not the most powerful Trainer in the world yet as he said in [[JN100]]. In other words, this battle (and defeat) is part of Leon's arc in Journeys.
* [[JN100]], if we ignore the battle against Flint (which again, we can consider as the Gym battles of old), Charizard was used in Leon's flying training
Now to the rules:
* '''''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them.'''''Charizard is Leon's signature Pokémon. '''CHECK'''
* '''''If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''''' The Coalossal case, Charizard did not battle. Leon's Training did not involve battles. '''CHECK'''(!?!)
* '''''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Examples would be Blaine's Magmar, which saved the Cinnabar Gym and developed Charizard's personality, or Clair's Dragonair, which helped save the Dragon Kingdom. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category.''''' Leon's battle against Ash, served to show the concepts of Gigantamax to Ash. Leon's battle against Raihan served to work out the history of the rivalry between the two Trainers. '''CHECK'''
We can spend months discussing this, but the truth is that this is just looking like a matter of conflicting points of view. To me, this seems very much to fall into the problem that the pages are based on most of Ash's relationship with other characters and not his own stories. Even though Ash is the protagonist, it's been a long time since the anime revolves around him and the rules didn't adapt to that(Goh is probably the biggest proof of that). Hence we have to expect that a Pokémon like Charizard has to have some impact on the plot of a technically unrelated character like Ash. Well, I think I elongated too much in the text I put here. I hope it resolves the discussion somehow.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:I want to swing back to this and point out that if [[Miette's Slurpuff]] is good enough for to be mainspaced than so should the other two, or are we really saying participating in a dance party is more relevant than anything else? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::You clearly do not get it. If Charizard (and Leon) were to compete in a race (with Ash and Goh), then something happened to Ash and Goh. If Leon doesn't have Charizard go look for Ash and Goh, and just competes in the race from start to finish (therefore unseen for a chunk of the episode), then '''''it still would not be notable'''''. Just competing is not what would make it notable.
::The only non-battle thing Charizard did is the training. Which it didn't even do much. What can you really say? Oooooooh, it smashed a few rocks and flew through a waterfall. Wow. Riveting. Fantastic read, can sum it all up in one sentence.
::For Milotic, again, you didn't ask others the important factor; how much of what it did was notable. Nobody on Wallace's talk page took that to account. They just saw the notability requirements and went "yep, it meets everything here" without actually thinking about what it actually did in the Wallace Cup arc and evaluating whether it did makes it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
:::So, based on these criteria, even if Leon uses Charizard throughout the 8 Masters tournament campaign, we doesn't have the go-ahead to use this page. Leon's page in the anime, I had to adapt and look for alternatives in the manga section to be standardized precisely because this page doesn't exist. Leon's page in games has a huge infobox with very disproportionate little information precisely because of the lack of this page in the Adventures section;
:::Even if we are to cling to "all Pokémon X did was battle", more than half of the Pokémon of some rivals will have either undone. From Trip's Serperior, Gary's Arcanine/Gary's Electivire, Paul's Honchkrow to Georgia's Beartic. And I don't think there is much doubt about the importance of this Pokémon in some way. The ironic part of it all is that Leon's Charizard had more space in the anime than Pokemon like Lance's Dragonite, for example. About Milotic I confess that I don't even give an opinion anymore, with all this arm wrestling involving Charizard.
:::I have a vision of a certain reformulation that should be in the Anime section and with the Adventures manga (which is the manga with the longest defined chronology released) but I'm even afraid to give it.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::To say Miette's Slurpuff has more notability or value than Leon's Charizard is an odd choice and one that doesn't hold up when looking at either page or the importance of those Pokémon. Force Fire, please rewrite the rules to fit your mindset so users know what they are getting into. I don't even care if they make sense-they don't-but at least then we have a written process to follow. Your views and what the rules say don't match up as of now. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Again, you're '''not''' listening. Miette's Slurpuff did stuff outside of the Poke Contest stuff in its debut episode. Leon's Charizard has ''not'' done anything outside of battling in it's non battle episodes and its battle-focus episodes. Because that's what the notability requirements is asking for: "but only if it did '''''more than just battle''''' in the episode(s) it appeared in". As in, it needs to do something else other than showing up in a battle. Because it's Pokemon. Battling is the central point of the series. It's what it do. We're not going to have an article that is just "X battled in episode Y" over and over. It's not going to make for an interesting read.
:::::And it '''also''' needs to have an impact on the plot. If Charizard battles and wins, then that's not having that much of an impact. Wow. It won. Who knew something would ''win'' a series about battling. If the battle was interrupted and Charizard helped get rid of whatever is interrupting the battle, then yes, that would be having an impact on the episode. Because it did more than just battle its intended opponent.
:::::As for the articles Hikaru Wazana brought up, 3/5 of them were created before we got stricter with notability. Gary's Arcanine is fine as it helped stop Team Rocket in Extreme Pokemon! Gary's Electivire is fine as it help protect Shieldon from J and attempted to stop Saturn from taking one of the lake guardians. For Trip's Serperior and Georgia's Beartic, both were approved by the Head of Anime at the time of their move to the mainspace. So I'll assume there was a good reason for their existence.
:::::I'm not trying to manipulate to criteria, I'm just following how the criteria has been interpreted over the years. And sometimes, that interpretation either gets stricter or more lenient. I'm not pulling all this out of thin air. There is no need to re-write the criteria just because you can't understand them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::I don't claim to be an expert on this or anything, but we have a page for [[Skyla's Swanna]], for example. Should that page then be removed from the mainspace for the same reason that Leon's Charizard is not notable since it's only been in battles as far as plot relevance goes? Because if Skyla's Swanna is notable enough for its own page while Leon's Charizard isn't, I'm curious as to why that might be. I'm sorry if this line of conversation is tiring you out. I won't say anything more if you're bothered by it. '''[[User:Dougbro1|Dougbro1]]''' ([[User talk:Dougbro1|Talk]]) 18:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jiliang ==

Jiliang has already returned to adding dubious trivia to pages, along with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3518678&oldid=3508003 trivia that had already been removed multiple times]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
:I've given them a semi block, and a stern message, effectively forcing them to respond on their talk page or risk a full block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3538443&oldid=3518766 They've once again re-added the removed trivia back to AG128], along with once again adding more non-noteworthy trivia to other pages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
:::There's only so many chances I can give them, so I've given them a lengthy block. If they return and continue, then they'll be gone for good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Rivals? ==

Do Bea and Raihan count as rivals in a sense that major events should include their new Pokémon? I'm assuming yes for Bea, but I'm not 10% sure regarding Raihan. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:40, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Pokemon of notable rivals get mentioned only if they have articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::By this, do you mean the "Major events" section or the "Pokémon debuts" section? After looking through episode pages from the original series all the way up to Journeys, it definitely appears to be standard to list new Pokémon for rivals in the "Major events" section, regardless of whether or not they have a page (and only their Pokémon with pages are listed in the "Pokémon debuts" section). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Huh, that does seem to be the case after checking a few episodes of rivals obtaining new Pokemon (that I could remember at least), PMJ is right. As for Raihan, I think his 'mon are fine to be mentioned, as does have a major role.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== Can you fix my name please? ==

Hi, I just signed up to edit here, but I made a mistake in typing my username. I meant it to be ApexAgunomu. Can you please change my name to that? Thank you. [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 11:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
:Due to technical issues with the rename function we use, it is not possible to rename users at this time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::Then can you please block this account so I can make a new one with the correct name? Would that be okay? [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 16:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== {{template|Pokelist}} ==

The link you recently added to that template should have "GO" instead of "Go" (mind the letter case) as the displayed text. Will you fix it? Thanks. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lucario ==

So we both edit war and I get blocked, but you get away with no consequences and the page turns out how you want because you’re a special admin and nobody but you is ever right. How about you take it to a talk page for once like you’re always preaching. Hypocritical and childish. [[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you 100% Pikablu. ForceFire targets me this way too. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 06:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Trainers start their journey at 10." ==

This is something that's only ever been stated in the anime. Red, Hilbert/Hilda, Elio/Selene, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10, for example (and no other game protagonist has ever explicitly been confirmed to be 10). The only games to mention a starting age at all are the Alola games, where you have to be 11 to take the island challenge. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, this was because the protagonists prior to Generation V were "10 or 11 years old" according to Ken Sugimori. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, but that would still mean that they're not explicitly confirmed 10 (and the fact that the Alola games are the only games to mention a starting age is still true as well). Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10/11, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::But from what I see on his article, Red is said to be 10 in the European release. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Assuming that's true, the Japanese release should take priority over both the American and European releases, although I actually don't know if it's ever been explicitly stated there. Even then, it only adds to my point of players not being explicitly confirmed as 10, given that the American release for the same game states that he's 11. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Given Sugimori said "10 OR 11" in that interview, it's more of an "either" situation, meaning the Gens I-IV protagonists are either 10 or 11 years old. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::This would still mean that no protagonist has ever been explicitly confirmed to be 10 even prior to Gen V. If anything, it makes 11 just as likely of a starting age, if not even more so.
::::::Given that there have been protagonists that have started as teenagers (Hilbert/Hilda and Rei/Akari being confirmed cases, although Calem/Serena are probably in that range too), I would definitely not put an age for Victor/Gloria if nothing has been stated. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Funny that you mention Rei/Akari when ForceFire, a beuracrat mind you, has rejected the source on their article several times, as an NPC guessing the player's age is, in his words, "not confirmation". [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Interesting. That definitely feels inconsistent since Victor/Gloria don't even have that going for them. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::I wasn't using that to talk about Victor/Gloria. I was bringing it up due to the edit warring it caused. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
My points are simply that:

1. "Trainers start their journey at 10" is something that's only stated in the anime.

2. No protagonist has ever been outright confirmed to be 10 (even the Sugimori interview only stated that the protagonists prior to Gen V were 10/11 without naming specific cases), with Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15, ORAS Brendan/May being 12, Elio/Selene being 11, and Rei/Akari being "15 or so".

3. The same logic that was used on the Rei/Akari pages in the past (even though those pages do list their ages now) should be applied to a greater extent for Victor/Gloria, especially since no ages have even been ''hinted'' at officially. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:1. We all know that.

2. I never said the Gens I-IV protagsbwere 10, only 10 OR 11.

3. The logic used for Rei/Akari should still apply to their articles, especially since the quote was repeatedly deemed unreliable by a higher staff. And yes, I KNOW thay Victor/Gloria have no hints towards an official age. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't mind whether or not it's removed from the Rei/Akari pages or not. I just find it inconsistent, especially since it was the same higher staff member. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::If anything, it should be removed from the Rei/Akari articles as in the context of the dialogue, Cyllene was ''assuming'' the player's age, meaning that their actual age is unknown. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}For the "trainers start their journeys at 10" bit. Could've sworn that was the case in the games as well, specifically in Gen I related materials (like a guidebook or something), may be misremembering. As for Rei/Akari, I still don't think it's solid confirmation as Cyllene is just guessing. That should be removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Brendan/May from Ruby and Sapphire actually look younger than 10, at 7 or 8. Additionally, in LGPE the progagonists appear to be even younger, like 5 or 6, and same goes for Sword and Shield.
Are we TOTALLY SURE that it's a given rule that a trainer has to be 10 to start?! [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 21:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:Uh, what? How do RSE Brendan/May and Victor/Gloria look any visibly younger than Red/Leaf/Ethan/Kris/Lyra/Lucas/Dawn/Elio/Selene? Their artwork shows that they're roughly as tall as them, and there are kids in every game that are clearly younger than the protagonists (and I would peg those kids as being in the 6-8 range instead). In any case, I've already shown that it's not a constant rule in the games for the protagonists to be 10 (as seen with Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Elio/Selene, who are all confirmed to be older). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

== Beelzemon 2003 ==

[[User talk:Beelzemon 2003|Beelzemon 2003]] has made excessively long descriptions of event item distributions in the event item articles like the Eon Ticket and MysticTicket, involving details and images unrelated to the items themselves, mostly describing the gatherings where the items were distributed. I've removed the texts unrelated to the items themselves and tried to tell them not to do it again, but they still did it again afterwards. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== [[Coin (TCG)]] ==

Maverick Nate is no longer the Head of TCG, however, glik, nuva-kal and Ruixiang95 are. Talking to you to prevent edit warring. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that you listed those three names shows that you don't actually know what "Head of TCG" means. Glik is the head of TCG, not the other two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

== Alec ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana/Alec]]

Is everything ok to transfer this page to mainspace? I moved to my personal space to be able to work better on it, but I already put everything that was missing. [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:Looks fine, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Miette's Slurpuff ==

How you feeling about this [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Miette's Slurpuff|page]] being mainspaced? It did nonbattle stuff after all. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:IT does meet the notability requirements, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::I recall requesting mainspacing that article in the past, but it was rejected back them. Have the notability requirements changed since then? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::You requested it at least once on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_11#Mainspacing_suggestion April 14, 2020], and the criteria changed on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime&diff=next&oldid=3223681 August 22, 2020]. I'm not sure that's specifically what changed but just thought I'd point it out. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::::With Miette owning a Pokemon with its own page and a second Pokemon, can Miette get her own Pokemon template--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::With Slurpuff, and by extension Miette, being unlikely to appear again, I chose to re-evaluate it based off the one appearance it did have some impact, and decided what it did in that episode was notable enough. Ideally, I would like it to do more in just its debut episode, but given it's unlikely to appear again, thought I'd be a bit lenient with it.
:::::As for giving Miette her own Pokemon template, [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates|the rule]] states that a character needs at least two of their Pokemon have articles, not that they own two or more Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

I humbly ask if there's a possibility to bring me back my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages. Finally, once I get my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages back, I will prove to you that I will be responsible with those pages in the future by discussing a major change, so as to avoid edit warring. --[[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 19:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

==Lillie's Magearna==
I was wondering whether User:Samueljoo/Lillie's Magearna might be ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Possible to merge accounts? ==

I used to work here as [[User talk:Croconaw2000|Croconaw2000]], but I deleted the email a long time ago and don’t remember the password, so I was completely unable to log back in. Would it be possible to merge the two accounts in some way, or redirect the old account into this one?

Also, if MarioWiki says that Wartortle has the same Chinese name as {{smw|Kooper}}, why shouldn’t we note it ourselves?

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])
:... users are only allowed one account per person, but I'll allow this instance. It is not possible to merge accounts, and I don't think it's necessary to redirect the old one. And we're not MarioWiki. It may be notable there, but it's not notable here.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn’t have made a new account if I could log back into the old one. I had also asked on the bulbapedia discord if it was possible to change the email or password and they suggested creating a new account

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])

== Move template ==

Do you think the {{template|anmov}} template could be used for Z-Moves and Max Moves. I feel having the description of those moves on the Pokémon's article is unnecessary, given that, unlike improvised moves, they have move pages to house their move descriptions. They could definitely still remain under separate subheaders in the "Moves used" section, but the current format doesn't fit them IMO. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I feel having the same move descriptions on the Pokémon's page kind of defeats the purpose of having a separate page to house those descriptions, specifically the movie's own article. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::That's something I've also thought about as well, the descriptions aren't really needed as those are already explained on the individual move articles. The base move being used for the Z-move is probably the only important part, I think, so a re-tweaked version of the current move template to accommodate that would be good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. Can I convert the templates if we use the tooltips template to identify the base move(s) until the tweaked template is ready?.--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::As in, in a similar way that, say, Mimicked moves have tooltips to tell which they were copied from, except this time, they're used to identify the base move(s). --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'd be okay for that to be a temporary solution. As for the tweaked template, shouldn't be too difficult to get that done, thinking of simply adding another column to it, [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov/h|like]] [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov|so]]. Don't think I need to tweak the footer of the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. I'll start editing the move lists. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== First visits to a region ==

Do the first visits to a region from characters other than the Journeys main trio count as major events? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:For former main characters, yes. I believe we also note when Misty and Brock travelled to Alola in the major events section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::So only important when it is a main character?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes. They were at one point main characters, that makes them important enough.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::And so we're clear, because I know what you're trying to do, the focus here is former main characters not Chloe or other supporting characters. Different rules for different characters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Wait, so it’s important if this is their first series or if they were a main character? Is that what you’re saying?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::If Brock and Misty were to go to Galar for the first time, then that would be noted in the major events section as they are important characters (being former main characters). If Shamus or Montgomery were to go to Galar for the first time, then they would not be noted in the major events section as they were not a main characters. Not that hard to understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I don’t need the sass, I just wanted clarity, which you didn’t even do. Is it important to mention if this is their first series, say Ren or Danika?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:Just wanted to be sure. Thanks, FF. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lana's Lapras ==
Assuming it even matters, [[User:Playerking95/Lana's Poké Ride Lapras|this page]] meets [[Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime#Notability_requirements|Notability requirements]]. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
:So I see you've answered multiple other comments on your talk page. Could you please answer this one as well? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== This pointless edit war has to end once and for all ==

Hello, I see that you noticed the edits I made last week, I explained my case on my talkpage but unfortunately never got a reply on there. In summary, this whole situation about characters' ages has got out of control, I've come to a conclusion that no matter how much I try helping this situation, I definitely can't do it all by myself. I haven't got the opportunity to reach a clear consensus about the subject with a Staff Member since I never got a reply but since it seems you're interested in this, I definitely have to inform you that this case has to finally come to an end.

I feel like I have to explain this whole situation to you so you can know in depth what all of this is about, there's this user called [[User_talk:Inkster|Inkster]], who you may recognize, who made an edit on March 29th to multiple articles related to player characters (these being Ethan's, Kris', Lyra's, Lucas' and Dawn's) where they added a piece of information related to their age, which have, for years, never been revealed and it also seems that throughout the entire existence of these character's articles there has never been an important version that specified any age either.

The source they quoted came to public knowledge in 2011, meaning that throughout this entire time, information about some of the characters' age has never been added to the site and if it would have been relevant information the characters' respective articles would have had the information on them for years like how Hilbert's and Hilda's articles have had their confirmed age on their articles for years.

Besides that, there's definitely a problem with the source, you see, what they're trying to use as the reference that supposedly confirms an age is Nintendo DREAM (ニンテンドードリーム) 2011年 01月号 [雑誌] where there was published an interview regarding to the art development of Pokémon Black & White, what this means is that they're using information about Pokémon Black and White that certainly has nothing to do with characters from games like HeartGold or Diamond, of course you wouldn't expect any information to be revealed that isn't about the newest games at the time (Black & White) and unsurpisingly that's exactly the case, all of what is written on there is about Pokémon Black and White.

The reason why they quoted that magazine, however, is because of a brief comment by Ken Sugimori which roughly mentions something like Hilbert and Hilda were designed to look older than ten or eleven-year-olds unlike previous game characters, the source that they quoted is in fact, '''a translation of the magazine''' that states quote, unquote "So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" and that is the only time it is mentioned any age regarding to previous characters.

I have to add that the term 10 or 11 year old to refer to pokémon player characters has been vastly used by a really big amount of people, this includes pretty much every player character even if their age has already been revealed. Why this term is so popular is mostly because of the anime, in which they never got tired to mention that trainers start a journey with pokémon since the age of 10, something that in the games (which is where the characters they're trying to show an age come from) has never been mentioned and let's not forget that before Black and White, the only player character that actually had a confirmed age was Red, who is 11 in Red and Blue. What this means is that 10 or 11 year old is clearly just a term to refer to any game player character rather than a confirmed age, and in this case, there was never an age that was explicitly revealed, making the source completely meaningless, 10 or 11 is just a starting age at best.

As you probably can tell, this short quote not only doesn't include any strong confirmation regarding to previous player characters' ages, in fact the interview doesn't even mention a clear age for Hilbert or Hilda, but Inkster is trying to show like if that quote is somehow factual information. Many users have already doubted the idea of adding an age to those articles out of that quote, the article versions that include this have been reverted on multiple occasions since it could be considered just as an assumption that goes against the speculation policy and could even be considered as vandalism since it is misinformation.

But then there's the edit war, instead of trying to allow time for a discussion so this subject can reach a clear consensus or even wait until that information is authorized to be part of the article, the user [[User:Team_Rocket_Grunt|Team Rocket Grunt]] has been constantly reverting edits to Inkster's only because of their own perception with comments like "I think it (Sugimori's meaningless quote) does (confirm an age)" I think you've already noticed it the day I was contributing to Lucas' and Dawn's articles.

I've been doing some research about this subject and I found out that both Inkster and Team Rocket Grunt have had quite an interesting story to say the least, which I find relevant to this case and I'll share right away.

'''Inkster:''' This user apparently has something with the research of characters' age, looking at many articles, they've been responsible of editing the age section of many of the player characters, a small case I'd bring up is that they added Red's age from Red and Blue to Leaf's page with the excuse of "presumably Leaf has the same age that Red had in Red & Blue" yet they still add the "10-11" age to both Brendan's and May's articles by stating that that's the age they had in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald besides Brendan and May having a confirmed age, being 12, that was confirmed in the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, their excuse was, quote, unquote "Y'know, I think this information also applies to RSE Brendan and May, considering the whole multiverse thing and ORAS being seperate from RSE." For me this has no sense, if they're going to add different ages to characters based on their game, at least be consistent.

But this isn't the case that hurts the most, in Rei's and Akari's articles, Inkster was responsible of removing those two characters' ages, which previously was stated that they were 15. The reason for Inkster to remove that information, which not only was mentioned on the actual game, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, was simply because that age was mentioned by a NPC as an assumption of Rei/Akari's age so they can be part of the Survey Corps where it seems that the minimum age to be a Survey Corps member was at least 15, not to mention that no matter the character the player decides to play as, the character's counterpart would also appear on the game as another member of the Survey Corps, something that they weren't considering when editing those articles' trivia. I'd have been fine if Rei's/Akari's article didn't include any age if it wasn't for the fact that an age related to them is way clearer since that information is in the game and it actually hints something where for our current case, there isn't really anything but misinformation.

'''Team Rocket Grunt:''' It seems that you've had already somewhat of a problematic story with this user before so I suppose I shouldn't elaborate that much on explaining what's going on with this user so to put it briefly, this is a user who doesn't like to defend their point at the slightliest, they've always been reverting edits only because they disagree with previous edits and is someone who likes to assume that what they think is correct is a fact. But there's definitely something that you may not know and sums up this entire case perfectly.

A Staff Member from the Editorial Board, glik, declined Inkster's assumption on the player characters being either ten or eleven year olds, explicitly mentioning that their source DOESN'T CONFIRM ANYTHING, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ethan_%28game%29&type=revision&diff=3509642&oldid=3501915 Team Rocket Grunt had the audacity to revert glik's edit so that it can have Inkster's original edit that includes the 10/11 year old age.] By the way, when Inkster removed Rei's/Akari's age from their respective articles, they, being completely self-aware (since I have discussed with them previously) wrote "This was declined from both articles by a bereaucrat who has stated twice that the dialogue listed does not confirm anything." I am out of words, I apologize in advance for the trouble that something like an age has unleashed, I really find this whole situation completely ridiculous but I hope you take actions on this, you're the only one who I can recur to at this point.--[[User:Kynn|Kynn]] ([[User talk:Kynn|talk]]) 01:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding player character ages, some people (while not officially correctly) will assume a player character's age based on how they look or what else they have heard about the character. For example, May in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald looks like she is 7 years old to me, and another example being Lucas from Platinum seems 10 or 11.

That said, there are a few players with officially confirmed ages; Red is 11 and Elio/Selene is also 11 as stated in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ruby_Sapphire_May.png RSE May] looks exactly the same as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:May_AG.png her anime counterpart] (who is confirmed to be 10 there)... Sure, we don't know RSE May's exact age, but I have no idea why you believe she looks to be 7 years old, especially since there are clearly children that are shorter than her in RSE. 10/11 is very much a believable age range for her.

:Additionally, Red's age appears to be somewhat debatable. He's stated to be 11 in the American instruction manual, yet he's stated to be 10 in the European instruction manual instead; I'm not sure if his age has ever been stated in Japan (but it would certainly be the most accurate age if it was).

:In any case, I do kinda agree that the magazine shouldn't really be used as decisive proof of the ages for the protagonists (especially since Brendan/May are now listed with conflicting ages). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:: I'm late, but honestly we shouldn't take 'it looks like it was (a certain age)'as an official age, under that logic I would say that, for example, Calem and Serena look like if they were 17 but their manga counterparts are 5 years younger than that, I'm pretty sure no one, except for the users I mentioned, think that 10/11 is a confirmed age for those characters, it just spreads misinformation because you're making others think that they actually have a confirmed age when they clearly don't.

:: I honestly don't know how this is still an issue considering that glik clearly denied the information they keep adding so Force Fire, if you're reading this, I kindly ask that those characters' articles don't show any age, at least until there's a consensus about the situation. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:Thought I'd make it clear that I blocked you on the grounds of the passive aggressive edits you made, and not whether I agree or disagree with the addition of the ages. I can see why Inkster and TRG would think the quote hints at the ages of pre-Gen V protagonists, yet the wording does seem to be too generalized and the two seem a little too eager to say Sugimori's referring to those characters specifically. So, I also don't think it counts as confirmation, wording is too generalized to make a judgement on the pre-Gen V protagonist's ages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Don't worry about it, as I wrote it on my talkpage, I felt that I had to take that route because it seemed like if no-one was actually checking CharacterDex frequently and I couldn't have known otherwise if I didn't do those edits, the edit war was just very evident to me so I found weird that very few users noticed it. Again, I want to apologize if my edits seemed rude from my part, I'll make sure to remove the age from those articles and I hope that next time there'll be a proper discussion related to these kind of topics before adding them to articles.--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 14:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Just so you know, that interview was from when Gen V released and showed the previous protagonists, so it was obvious that Sugimori referred to games prior to Gen V. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Listen, I'm pretty sure you actually had no bad intentions on researching information for those articles but I feel like you should've contacted someone else before adding it and causing so much trouble. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::Inkster, do you have proof that the book showed previous protagonists in relation to that quote, or are you saying that because Dr. Lava put stock images of the previous protagonists on their article? If it's the latter, then... that's clearly not indicative of the content of the book. It's not like that image is scanned directly from the book itself. You're far too eager to put a number to a character without taking the context of the quote. The quote seemed more a general "we were told to make them older than what we usually do" not "we were told to make the protagonists older that the previous ones, who are 10-11".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::With you logic, than wouldn't that mean the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 years old? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::It's a generic statement, not an explicit one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::The [[player character]] article sourced that interview in that context that the quote implies the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old"). [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::The exact quote is ''Sugimori: “So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games.”''. It does refer to the previous protagonists. I don't believe we, as a wiki, are supposed to decide what age of a character is more correct or not. I think we should just put all the factual data on the page and let the readers interpret however they want, that's how we won't ever spread any misinformation. Saying we know ''nothing'' isn't accurate if we there exist such quote.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Exactly because this is a wiki, there shouldn't be added any information that suggests interpretation and it's not factual, it's just a generalization rather than a confirmed age, I'm aware that a bulbapedia guideline wants to have the most amount of information in the articles as possible but that doesn't mean that every single quote made by GAME FREAK should be added on an article, it has to be relevant if there should be one. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::::::::But wouldn't that Sugimori said be relevant? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::The way I see it is that, if information that is actually in a game isn't going to be considered then it has way less sense to add such a quote like this one and yes, I'm referring to Rei's and Akari's articles, as I wrote I'm fine with those not showing an age but why wouldn't they show the age that they hinted in the actual game but those other characters' articles do show an age when its source is far more recherche. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:::::::::::::Also, I still think that the quote berely confirms something--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 15:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I tried to edit May's page because even if she ain't seven like I think for RSE she has to be at least 10 but clearly isn't 12. ORAS May looks like she has actually gone through puberty a little but RSE May looks like she is still very young, like under 11. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 02:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
:It has already been explained to you that appearances do no matter when it comes to confirming the ages of characters. Only textual evidence or confirmation from an official source can be used to determine the age of characters. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 03:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

:So, I think we can bring back Sugimori's quote about protagonists' age. Kynn doesn't think we can use information outside the games, but that's not how it's done here.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:04, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
::The quote doesn't say that ''all'' of the previous protagonists were 10 or 11. Additionally, Brendan/May's age in ORAS contradicts this quote as well. Even if those remakes came out after this quote, it seems strange to list two different ages for what is basically the same game. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Pokemon universe doesn't have consistent timeline nor character ages. It's fine if character has two different ages depending on the game, especially in case of ORAS which is implied to be from different timeline. Again, we DO NOT decide what's canon and what's not, we just get all the information and present it to the readers. And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 11:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::"''And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.''"
::::This is just how you're choosing to interpret it. Saying "The 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" is not the same as saying "the 10 or 11 year olds we used in '''all''' of the previous games (if it was the latter, I would agree with you). For all we know, he was referring to Red/Leaf (who are confirmed to be 10/11) and the Gen 2 and/or 4 protagonists. The quote is up for interpretation, which is why it can't be used as solid evidence. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Precisely, it's a vague, generalized quote that doesn't go into specific. Again, users are all too eager to add a number whenever it shows up.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11. His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits. Ignoring it is not a good way to deal with it. His quote still should be mentioned in the age section of these character's infoboxes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::"''The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11.''"
:::::::A straightforward interpretation is still an interpretation.
:::::::"''His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits.''"
:::::::Again, it's really more of a generalization. Maybe Brendan/May were 12, but the other protagonists were 10/11, in which case the quote would still make sense; 12 would not make them significantly older than the other protagonists. Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15 is far more noticeable, hence why he noted it in the first place. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::You're forgetting that I never originally added what he said to Brendan/May's articles, as they were already confirmed to be 12.[[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::And by "confirmed" I mean retconned. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
A "retcon" for what already seemed to be mostly a generalization (again, he never said ''all'' of the prior protagonists were 10/11) feels more like that statement shouldn't be taken entirely at face value. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
{{Indent}} I never said that, he only said "older than the 10 or 11 year-olds we used in ''previous games''" (note this interview was from when Gen V released), which ''suggests'' the Gen II and IV PCs were also within that age range. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 00:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:I'm aware of when the interview took place and I did I mention above that this was a possibility, yes. I was mainly stating that I'm not comfortable with listing the statement as hard confirmation of their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::If it isn't considered hard confirmation, is there anything against listing them as "''about'' 10/11"? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 01:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::'''PokemonMasterJamal3''': Brendan and May weren't stated to be 12 at that time. I'm not saying you're supposed to believe in 100% they are that age, I'm saying it has to be noted that they all were described to be that age, otherwise it's dictating what people should think and gatekeeping the information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::::The word "all" was never stated by Sugimori, which is what I'm trying to emphasize here. I'm not stating the info is useless or anything, I'm just saying I don't think it's concrete enough to list as their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 23:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Bottom line, ForceFire declined it, so they had the final word on this matter. It doesn't confirm anything and that's final. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::It's still the straightforward sense of this sentence, he would need to add exeptions if he wanted us to know it's not about all of them. Adding the age to the page doesn't make it universal fact it just means they were meant to be that age at some point, different games still could retcon the age multiple times. I just want us to report all what we know and not gatekeep information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== New Pokemon Infobox ==

Since we have a few new Pokemon today, I have an opportunity to make a suggestion. When a new Pokemon is revealed we don't know a lot of information about it which makes the infoboxes full of "Unknown" labels and the navbox on the top of the page is completely useless. I think it could be better to have a simplified version of these infoboxes to show what we know and what we're supposed to know. I made an example here: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/New_Pok%C3%A9mon_Infobox]. I think it would look more professional and complete and also, it would help keep track of all revealed Pokemon and connect their pages for better navigation, because the page "List of Pokemon by national dex" is protected, rarely updated, and it doesn't show images.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Saw it when it was made. Instantly didn't think it was necessary. No need to fix what isn't broken. There being "unknown" in the infobox is something that can't be helped when there's new Pokemon. Same with the navbox being "useless", that's just natural for a new Pokemon article to not have much. There's also no need to have the other new Pokemon shown in the navbox, it just clogs up the article and makes it look unsightly. If people wanted to know what the other new Pokemon are, they can, you know, browse the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Nonetheless, I hope the staff will like this idea and not disregard it instantly.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon template ==
Can you fix your edit to the Legendary Pokémon template so a line is separating gen 8 and gen 9?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 17:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Image debuts ==

Lusamine, Gladion, Mohn, and Professor Magnolia were all listed as picture debuts for those respective episodes, and the episodes where they physically debuted (or in Mohn's case, first appeared in a flashback) were also listed as in person debuts. There are probably more examples of this, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:While the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Pokémon appearances and debuts|anime manual of style]] only notes Pokemon, I think it makes sense to count human characters in the rule as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::What's the ruling on flashbacks? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Additionally, what's the ruling on fantasy appearances? Professor Cerise's first appearance is listed as JN001 on his page, even though it was only a fantasy appearance. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think it's a similar ruling to Pokemon (even though it's not written down), fantasies don't count as debuts while flashbacks do (and the debut would probably count twice, once for the flashback and once for the in-person appearance).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Since it's a somewhat relevant topic, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category_talk:Episodes_in_which_a_Champion_appears I posted something about Champion appearances a while back]. Do you have an opinion on this? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::That category should only count physical appearance, imo. Having fantasies/flashbacks/photos count feels like it's just bloating the category with minor appearances (though one could argue there are important flashbacks that drive the plot, so that's probably something to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG again ==

I've posted about them before, but MinnieG's edits are starting to become a bit of an issue.

They usually contain some mixture of:
# Poor grammar/awkward wording (which will often overwrite perfectly fine edits prior to it). It doesn't help that these tend to be fairly lengthy edits.
# A tendency to focus too heavily on generic character relationship aspects, such as saying that a protagonist is protective/supportive of their friends... which is a trait that every single protagonist shares (making it far from unique).
# Related to point 2, most of their edits in the "Character" section of protagonists' pages are almost exactly the same structure-wise. For example:

"Lillie at times has shown to lose her composure when pushed into a wall, becoming depresses and unsure of herself. However, Lillie manages to pick herself back up through her friends support and encouragement, which inspired her to not give up. This is shown when she decided to put an end to her fear of touching Pokémon in ''Mission: Total Recall!'' and perfecting Subzero Slammer with Snowy in ''Chasing Memories, Creating Dreams!'' because of her resolve."

"In addition, Mallow has shown to lose her composer when pushed to the side, as she would doubt herself. However, Mallow would pick herself back up through the help of her friends. This is shown when made a meal for Tapu Koko while working at Oranguru's place in ''A Recipe for Success!'' and perfected Bloom Doom with Tsarrena during her battle with Lana at the Alola Pokémon League in ''Battling Besties!'' because of her resolve." [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 20:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

:MinnieG's a user that I've kept an eye on from time to time, the way they edit is quite familiar, but I unfortunately can't do a check on them. Their repetitive edits can seem jarring, and really the only way they can stop is if the improve on their grammar, make better judgement on what is notable, and be a bit more creative with their sentences.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Deletion of "Old Verses" ==

I explained it on {{ut|Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles's talk page}}, but you think that redirect is fine. If yes, then why? Redirects for plurals are discouraged because of the way MediaWiki links work: <code><nowiki>[[Old Verse]]s</nowiki></code> gives [[Old Verse]]s. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 08:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:Since when has redirects for plurals been discouraged? We have [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] and [[abilities]] and plenty others. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::Some exist (and are encouraged) due to ''irregular'' plurals, such as [[abilities]] (singular is ''ability'', note the change: -y → -ie- + -s), but you might think the [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] redirects exist rather for search reasons? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 09:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, plural links are good for search purposes. There is more than one Old Verse, so people are likely to search "Old Verses" searching for information about the Old Verse Key Items. And for irregular plurals, we have link templates for many of those such as {{Berries}} and {{Abilities}}. But we still have a redirect because it is useful for search purposes. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 09:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

==Mega Anime Move Boxes==
I was wondering if we could create a seperate anime move box for Pokemon in the anime that have mega evolved like we have for those who use Z-Moves, Dynamax and Gygantamax, for example
{{anmov/h|fighting|steel|Ash Mega Lucario {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}||0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}}}
{{anmov|fighting|Aura Sphere|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|fighting|Force Palm|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|steel|Steel Beam|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|normal|Double Team|JN108|}}
{{anmov/f|steel}}--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

:With Z-moves and Dynamax moves, they are completely different moves with completely different gimmicks. Whereas the moves Mega Evolutions use are just the same regular moves. So I don't see a need to duplicate the same info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::While I understand that, Ash-Greninja has its moves listed in a separate box. So could the same possibly apply to Mega Evolutions? Moreover, with Mega Evolutions, the template could show off the user's changed type. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Honestly, I don't think Ash-Greninja needs its own move box either. And I don't think showcasing changes in typing would be enough to justify the duplicate information. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Never noticed Ash-Greninja having its own template. I'm all for removing it due to it basically duplicating the same info as the regular form's move template. While showing a different form using a move is a good enough reason to split, I still think it's just duplicating the same info (different types also seem too minor to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

==Infernape Fire Punch==
Fair enough on the previous point, just to verify, can we say for sure that Infernape definitely used Fire Punch whilst the other moves were unconfirmed?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, Fire Punch has a unique animation (I say that with certainty because I can't imagine another move that could be animated similarly, Comet Punch may be, but that has never been animated with flames).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::In Pokémon Adventures, there was an instance of a Pokémon covering its fists with fire to attack without it using Fire Punch, so IMO, it could've been something similar and not a move at all. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Eh, I'm in the mindset of separating anime and manga. They're two different mediums that are far too different have one cancel out the other. And the unique move animation policy only covers anime (to be honest, manga never crossed my mind when I started that policy)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Ignoring comments ==

I haven't heard anything from you about my last question about Lana's Lapras in about two weeks despite your obvious activity. What is the point of pushing for discussion if the higher ups are going to ignore them?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:There are 50+ sections on this talk page, with some being quite extensive, so it's pretty easy to miss smaller sections that are in between bigger sections like the Lana's Lapras section. For Lapras, don't think a consensus was given for Ride Pokemon at the time, but from what I can gather from Kiawe's Charizard (who was in the same boat), it was only mainspaced once it was clear that it was actually his Pokemon and not one owned by the whole family. So the same would go for Lapras, was it actually stated that it was a Pokemon she actually owns (thus would make it notable) or does her whole family own it. Again, you are just looking that the notability requirements and arbitrarily saying things are notable, without actually looking at the context/bigger picture.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for the response. I have no idea if it is owned by only her or the family, though wouldn't it still be considered Lana's regardless? And I am looking at the rules and trying to find what fits within them. Considering I keep 'missing the bigger picture' despite working on this wiki for a decade, I would say the rules are unclear or failing to convey what is actually needed for something to be mainspaced. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think the point Force Fire is making is that an article fulfilling the bare minimum requirements for notability doesn't automatically make it good enough for the mainspace. As for you wanting more specific rules/criteria, each article is going to have its own unique context that needs to be accounted for. There is no number of rules or extra requirements that will work for every situation. All I can say is that generally an article should be substantial and interesting to read. If an article technically fits the requirements, but seems like it's missing important context that hasn't been revealed yet, or isn't interesting and engaging enough, it's probably not ready for the mainspace. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Precisely what Landfish said. You're just reading that a Pokemon needs to be owned by a main character/appear more than three times/do more than battling, without actually thinking about the specific situations that would make a Pokemon notable. What did the Pokemon do in its non battle episodes? Did it help its trainer? Did it solve a conflict? In Lapras's case, is it actually her Pokemon? We can't expand the criteria for every specific instance because each Pokemon is different and their reasons for being notable are going to be different each time. Yes, by just simply reading the notability requirements, Lapras would be notable for being owned by a main character. But the bigger context/picture is whether Lana actually owned the Lapras. Being owned by the family doesn't mean it's solely Lana's Pokemon, it's not like she took it everywhere like Kiawe did with his Charizard nor did it have a backstory revelaing who actually owns it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Carbink & Diancie's signature typing. ==

I can understand Toxicroak & Sneaseler, for example, but Diancie is literally a mutated Carbink. How are they not related enough for their unique typing to be trivia? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Because they are no related by evolution, period. So it's not unique to one Pokemon or one evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::True, but they are related, period. It's not a coincidence that they share the same type, so it seems silly that we can't make an exception. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oh, and before Ultra Necrozma, didn't Lati@s have this in their trivia, despite being 2 different Pokemon? Or am I remembering wrong? (I'm trying to check, but the website's being screwy again). [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::They may be related by lore, but they are ''still not'' related by evolution. You can't evolve a Carbink into a Diancie, and you can't breed Diancie to get Carbink. They are still treated as individual Pokemon. Thus, they are not related by evolution, making the trivia not unique to one Pokemon or evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::The same goes for the Lati@s twins, but they had the unique type trivia. (at least I remember them having it; I'm still having trouble checking). Why did they get special treatment? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::I can assure you, Lati@s was never said to be the only Dragon/Psychic types. And even if it was, it was probably swiftly reverted, as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625577&oldid=2625575 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625576&oldid=2625574 two] edits from 2017 (the year Ultra Necrozma became a thing, and were the only two edits relating to their types throughout 2017) show. And it also shows that it was not reverted because of Ultra Necrozma, it was reverted because Lati@s are not related by evolution (they are related by lore, but are still treated as individual species with not evolutionary relations).
::::::And [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_unique_type_combinations&diff=2525256&oldid=2525254 this 2016 edits] on the type combination article shows the Lati@s was never in the main template but in the trivia section with Solrock/Lunatone and Carbink/Diancie.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Huh, I could've sworn it was for some reason. Very well then. I still think it should be added, but I can tell I'm not going to win this, so I'll leave it be. Good bye. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Exclusive pages for the 8 Masters/Champions ==

In view of the discussion with the Pokémon of some characters, I decided to ask this question before wasting unnecessary time. I'm working on a page of [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Lance (anime)|Lance]] and his story within the anime, trying to get away from what's on his main page (where it talks more technical details than what he actually did in the anime canon). It was close to what I was trying to do with Cynthia's page, which I left on a [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Cynthia (anime) extended history|reserve page]] to work on later, but I would like to know if if I continued this and did it for the other Champions, what are the chances of this being approved and going for mainspace?

Theoretically, the only characters I need to do this would be Steven, Diantha and Lance (which is pretty much finished already), since Iris, Leon, Cynthia, Alain and Ash already have their pages. My intention was to hand it in after the tournament was over, but as apparently there's been some discussion about what's notable and what's not, I decided to ask at once. Should I go ahead with this or are the chances of being approved zero?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Gender difference ==

While I can agree with your point regarding Meganium's gender difference, what about Gyarados? Paul's Gyarados, for example, had blue whiskers. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:Read the {{bp|Speculation policy}}, in Paul's Gyarados's case, the female variant of Gyarados has not appeared in the anime yet so we can't use its gender difference. Just because other gender differences have been acknowledged, doesn't immediately mean all of them are acknowledge, the anime needs to acknowledge each one of them. Raichu's gender difference wasn't even acknowledged, even when Tierno's Racihu had hhr gender confirmed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
::Wasn't sure if a female Gyarados had appeared yet. Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Meganium's gender difference isn't based on length of the anthennas, but their shape. They clearly drew them in different way than previously. Oliver's Meganium has antennas pointing upwards.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
<gallery>
154Meganium OS anime.png|anime art
Elisa Meganium.png|Meganium (before adding gender difference)
File:JN020 Meganium.png|acklowledgement of the difference
</gallery>
::::Male Meganium's antennae are longer than the female, so yes, it's absolutely based off length. The shape is only like that because it's following the shape of the head, the female antennae does the same thing (it follows the shape of the head).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::You know well it's not true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Could you not jump to your admin power and please start a discussion first? You know, the thing you preach that us lesser beings have to do? Both Infernape and Greninja are one of the heaviest focused Pokémon of their series and a category for their focused episode like any other important character makes sense. If someone else gets an Infernape-dumb argument but okay-then why not make the name “Ash’s Infernape” like I started with? Fixed your issue with it, right? Looking forward to your response!--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:I also want to add that reserving it for walking Pokémon is an odd cutoff. Togepi or Dedenne has hardly done anything compared to those two. Is this not worth taking another look at after a decade?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::At one point, I made a category for episodes about Mimikyu, but came to kind of regret doing it later after seeing how little episodes it had. Could you remove it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::That helps prove my point. Mimikyu is a walking Pokémon with a small amount of focused episodes. What, like 5 compared to 20? Being a walking Pokémon isn’t the best way to determine these categories.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello? You undid my edits and I want to talk about it.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}If you want to suggest making new categories, you need to ask on a talk page. Don't just do as you please. And it was also once deleted before, so I deleted it again. We don't need categories for literally every Pokemon a characters owns, and the ones that you deem important were really only important for their own series, unlike Pikachu or Meowth who are basically main characters. I personally would restrict it even further to just those two, or maybe include Wobbfuffet just for how long its been around.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== User:Great designer ==

[[User:Great designer]] has left a trace of many suspicious activities here in addition to manipulating puppet accounts. The user page contains some overt information on stalking and impersonating, which they have been doing since mid-February. There is also much evidence of their insulting and harassing other users and bureaucrats on social media with ''ad hominem'' attacks followed by long and opaque statements. The user claims to have sent an email and addressed some unspecified topics on 17 June 2020 (UTC). The message was left on [[User talk:DzaiSheng]] and [[User talk:Great designer]], but no such email has been received as of now. This makes their latest activity very dubious. The eponymous account on 52Poké has been permanently banned since late April for repeated misuse and appropriation of contributions by others in and out of the site. Considering his wrongdoings on the sibling site and on social media, I would suggest keeping a close watch over what they vow to do next.[[User:DzaiSheng|DzaiSheng]] ([[User talk:DzaiSheng|talk]]) 09:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Add Page to template. ==

Heya,

I made [[List of other event distributions (Generation IX)]], as the first distribution for Scarlet and Violet had just been announced. Can this page be added to [[Template:Event Pokémon]]? Also the Generation 4 GTS link on this template links to a redirect, if this can be corrected or the original page moved back to where it used to be. [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::You deleted the Generation 7 page from the template there.[[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oops, fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Can you also add: [[List of internet event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]], and also the lochide function to the [[Template:LAevent/head]] template so its consistent with the standard [[Template:G8event/head|generation 8]] template? Thanks! -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 13:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::: Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::Get rid of the extra <code><nowiki>style="</nowiki></code> and it should work. The line should read like this: <code><nowiki>! style="{{#if: {{{lochide|}}}|display:none;}} background:#{{Legends Arceus color light}}" | Location</nowiki></code> -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::: And [[List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII)]]-- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 11:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

:Add [[List of serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]] -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 06:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon in Russia]] ==

Would it be a good idea to hide the two latest revisions from Inkster on this article, since the vandalism is still present and visible there? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh and it's visible in your last revision too. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Looks like Inkster didn't remove all of the vandal's edit in their undo edit, so my rollback of the vandal only removed what Inkster removed. I've hidden all the edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Volcanion ==

Did you intend to make Volcanion's species page only editable by administrators? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh... um... oops. Fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists ==

Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I was hoping to get your input on [[User talk:Pale Prism#Specialists|this discussion]] about type specialists. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
:Bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 01:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
::Bumpity, bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 23:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Ugh. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 04:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::It would be nicer to restart the topic instead of bumping an existing one. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Arctozolt ==
Hey, I rewatched some of Journeys's old episodes, and saw that Goh's Arctozolt appeared in (at least) three episodes. Its debut episode, well it was prominent for about 90% of the episode (unlike most of Goh's Pokémon). And like, I said, made a few more (somewhat) prominent appearances on Journeys. I already have a draft created, so can I have permission to officially post an Arctozolt article on the Main Page of Bulbapedia?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 04:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:The notability requirements states: Those that haven't had plot significance must be used by him in at least two different episodes, in addition to their capture episode. So Goh needs to use it one more time. Just appearing three times means nothing if it only did something notable in one of those times. Side note: if you're wondering, yes I checked all of Goh's other reserve Pokemon and they still meet the requirement of being used by him at least twice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists+ ==

Hi! So, according to you, [[Elesa]] should qualify as a notable {{type|Electric}} specialist of her sex because she's the only female out of six. On the other hand, [[Bede]] shouldn't count as a notable {{type|Fairy}} specialist of his sex because he's the only male out of four.

Honestly, that's all fine and dandy, but it leads to an obvious question: what about characters who are 1 in 5? — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
:These "x out y" trivia should be based on common sense, you don't need to ask for every single different variation. What's next? is 1 out of 7 notable? Just use a bit of common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::<q>These <q>x out y</q> trivia should be based on common sense.</q> Agreed! Wonderful. Brilliant… Very enlightening… All of my questions have been answered?!
::Really though, I agree that there should be a standard as to how to deal with these situations. Your ideas are great and all, but I'm more concerned with accuracy and consistency. As per the existing standards, I was under the impression that 1 in 4 was notable, and 1 in 6 wasn't, but I guess that that's completely arbitrary? 1 in 5 is completely up in the air? There's not something in the Bulbapedia help guide that says otherwise, is there?
::I'm not asking about every single case (I legitimately don't know how you arrived at such a weird conclusion); I was presented with a 1/6 case and a 1/4 case, and I wanted to know what the intermediate case would be. {{unsigned|Pale Prism}}
:::IIRC 1/3 and 1/4 are generally not considered notable. 1/5 is probably going to be a case-by-case situation. 1/6 is probably fine, but again it may depend on the context. Instead of focusing on an exact number rule, Force Fire is (probably) saying that we should consider the context and think about whether it makes sense in the first place for that trivia to be included. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 04:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

==[[Ivysaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#May.27s_Ivysaur|May's Ivysaur]]==
Before getting into an edit war, I would like to know what criteria are used to consider a Pokemon that has never been shown in the anime, a "notable appearance".
I undid that part and then it was undone (for a change...). Not even May's Venusaur has exactly notable criteria in the anime.

Since it doesn't have a section for Clemont's Helioptile, Gary's Wartotle or Paul's Grotle (which is fair), it doesn't seem to make any sense to do that.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:54, 06 July 2022 (UTC)
:Decided to remove it after some reconsideration. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 22:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Diantha (anime) ==

Does [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)|this]] page have the requirements to go to mainspace?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:25, 09 July 2022 (UTC)
:All she has done is battle. Even if the Masters 8 Tournaments are more notable battles, the "only battled" rule does not take into account importance. It's still just a battle. And expanding a simple sentence and making overly detailed '''will not''' make an article more notable. It just bloats the article with unnecessary fluff. It's not the size of the article that determines notability. It's the actions of the character.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to argue, I'm sad but unfortunately ok. Just wanted to say, when I make detailed pages for Diantha, Bea, or Cynthia, I don't want to put unnecessary material. This is character development, making an article and just putting that character "appears in episode X, reappears in episode Y, appears in flashback in episode Z" is simpler to eliminate pages of the characters and put a table with the appearances only. Cynthia's page before I tried to add content looked like a draft, which is pretty weird for one of the more developed characters in the anime.
:::But as I said I won't argue or try to make anyone change their mind, it's up to me to accept and let it go,I won't delete the pages of the characters I created if someday the staff thinks these pages are ready for mainspace, they will be there. Thanks for the feedback anyway. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would like to know if the page has already met the requirements to be able to go to mainspace. At the end of Journeys I intend to request the deletion of practically all my userpages and this is one that I would like to get some approval for because it took considerable time to do. -[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 02:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Image error ==

There's an ongoing error that's been happening for a couple of days. Whenever there's a new image uploaded, it shows this: Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127. How long do you think it'll take for this to be fixed? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 02:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

== Element symbol ==

I think it's more precisely referred to as an "element symbol", though some people use the term "periodic symbol" as well, so it's probably fine as it is. "Chemical symbol" usually also includes information such as the mass number and the atomic number and such, so that's probably not the best term to use. Just thought I'd inform you! [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
:I see, thanks.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

AlolanRanger has continued to post dubious trivia with poor grammar ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN109&diff=3545647&oldid=3536333 like here, for example)]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Floette ==

There's currently an edit war on the Floette page regarding the use of the term "Legendary Pokémon" to refer to Eternal Flower Floette. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

== you dont add powerful ==

that doesn't make sense

Paul's Urusing has it down to eb extremely powerful You have down for Ash Palpitoad as physical tough and many other pokemon in the Series that has something similar

we have Ash dragonite as extremely resilient and strong Pokémon

Ash Heracros as powerful battler

so what the difference to me its called Nothing. Im pretty sure, you all against me thats why when I add something you all need to jump at me {{unsigned|Gian9456}}

== Trivia ==

JN91 Same Trivia Me has seen In AG178 and M18 page trivia section [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 17:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:Doesn't matter, it's not notable the third time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I was skip--Gian9456 01:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

== Am I still blocked? ==

I recently tried editing MY PAGE, and saw that any of my edits resulted in level three vandalism. I took a look at the FAQ page. and I saw that I could be in an abuse condition, am I right about this? [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Are you trying to edit your ''user''page? Because if so, you have to be {{bp|autoconfirmed}} before you can edit your userpage. To become autoconfirmed, you have to have been a user for some time and make a certain number of '''main'''space edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

::Oh sorry, actually I was talking about my own talk page.[[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Are you trying to remove the welcome template, or any other content, again? That's probably why. Please stop trying to remove content from your talk page, per the {{bp|Talk page policy}}, leave any discussion and the welcome template as they are.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:::It wasn't the welcome message that I tried to remove, but my statements, which I consider insignificant, i read the Talk Page Policy, and saw I really can't do this. I really want to believe that no administrator used their power to manipulate this rule and that it has NEVER BEEN BROKEN. Even without the concrete answer, I conclude that I am no longer blocked, thanks for your attention, [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 14:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== JN119 ==

The episode currently titled as JN119 ("Chloe and Eevee - The Miracle of Evolution") was confirmed not to be a numbered episode yesterday. It's going to be a clip show episode instead. Could you move and renumber episode articles accordingly? Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:As in, an unnumbered clip show. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
::Moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, now things are becoming confusing, since the official anipoke_pr Twitter page is not calling the clip show "episode 119", after all. I do not know how long the episode will be, but if it turns out to be a normal length episode, I suppose it should be moved back. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::All this discussion is kind of irrelevant until the episode is officially aired, no? If the episode has unreleased scenes, it's basically a normal episode. The mention of it being episode 119 is more because the episode is taking up the show's traditional timeslot, I think.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) ([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC))
:::::We're aware. It's best to wait 'til the episode airs and see how things play out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::I'd say we can count this as a regular episode. While a clip show and a bit longer than a normal episode, it had an opening, commercial break, end credits, and a next episode preview. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

== Another pointless edit war ==

Somehow, there is still an edit war on the [[player character]] article relating to ages, which is even more pointless as you have previously stated the used source is a vague generalization that doesn't go into specific details. The segment on the article itself ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old" is reminisent of the "all trainers are 10" conclusion that many jump to without any official confirmation. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:There's a difference between saying that source implies certain characters are 10/11 and using it as generic, catch-all source as the player character articles uses it. It's fine on the player character article as it's being used in a general context rather than it saying that ''specific'' characters are 10/11.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::If this is saying they're ''generally'' 10-11 as opposed to ''specific'' ones, wouldn't that make it acceptable be added to their articles as "According to Ken Sugimori, the protagonists are ''usually'' 10 or 11 years of age" in a general context or? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:::It's fine on the general player character article, but not the individual specific characters because it doesn't name which ones.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::::I see. Although I'd like to mention that Red's article says that he is 10 in the European version, but I can't find any source that confirms this. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

== MinneG yet again ==

I've posted about them twice in the past, but I would like to bring up their edits once again.

Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3552885&oldid=3552701 their most recent edit to Chloe's Eevee] to these other edits made by confirmed Kittystyler sockpuppets:

* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3331916&oldid=3331873 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3334421&oldid=3334100 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3340321&oldid=3339909 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3358172&oldid=3352145 Example 4]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3399183&oldid=3396956 Example 5]

At this point, I find it extremely difficult to believe that this could be anyone other than Kittystyler.

Additionally, even outside of them being a likely sockpuppet, MinnieG's poor grammar and tendency to focus too heavily on minor details (such as overfocusing too much on character relationships) has continued to be an issue despite the multiple messages on their talk page.

I'm aware that a check is not really an option at this point, but is there really nothing that can be done? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:I've been monitoring this use for a while, and while I can't do an IP check, their edits are way too similar to past sockpuppets to not be KittyStyler. They've been blocked.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

== Cynthia's Garchomp ==

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cynthia%27s_Garchomp&oldid=3553808

''Be patient, it can be added after the episode airs. Stop rushing things just to be the first.''

I've noticed that several things I post are reversed but strangely when other users post THE SAME CONTENT it goes by smoothly, so I start to think that it actually has something to do with what I post. It wasn't enough that I was forced to delete my discord account because I had a "pseudo admin" coming to piss me off in my inboxes.

You once said that I take things too personally, but certain actions don't do much to erase that idea.

I uploaded the image because it was released in high resolution and hosted it on the site, as I did '''EVERY TIME''' I hosted an image. It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be first in something. Good night--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC))

== Iamdisha ==

Despite having been warned about it three times, Iamdisha continues to be making an excessive number of edits in a short period of time. They seem to have a history of ignoring their talk page, so I didn't see any point in giving them a fourth warning that they'll just ignore, so I figured I'd bring it to your attention instead. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

== New Episode Category ==

Hello, I would like to know if you object to me creating a category of episodes focused on Cynthia, since she has some episodes that don't involve battles, I believe it makes sense to have that.--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC))
:[[:Category:Episodes in which a Champion appears]] should suffice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]]

== Am I allowed to do this? If so, is there a fast way to do it? ==

In the Pokemon GO section, every Pokemon that learns Frustration/Return has a {{tt|‡|As Shadow/Purified Pokémon}} symbol next to it. That symbol is also used for moves that can no longer be learned or require an Elite TM, so I think it'd be better replace it with a [[File:GO Shadow icon.png|24px]] and [[File:GO Purified icon.png|24px]] respectively. Would this be allowed, and is there an easy way to do it? (ie, BulbaBot or something?) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Heya. How are you doing?
I’d like to make a suggestion: instead of using screenshots for moves and 3D Pokémon sprites, why not use GIFs instead, like for the moves as they appear in 2D? In the case of moves, they allow users to see what a move fully looks like without having to go to YouTube. I think it’s better than using multiple screenshots. What do you think?

Also, mind telling me what it’s like in Australia? :D [[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 12:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:That's never gonna happen. Animated models are simply too large and will cause slower load times, especially if we're going to have multiple of them animated. It's simply not worth it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to butt in, but this should only be part of Bulbapedia's past, NOT present. I may know that already, but other EP wikis don't care and just put animated 2D renders of the models. Also, I think this is mostly a very historic "policy", which Bulbapedia tends to adhere to, but in a really bad way. This was, I think, only part of worries that e.g. it will cause memory leaks while rendering the image in IE (which we mustn't worry about now). It's never too early or too late to introduce them. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:::The issue isn't that we don't want them, the issue is that the files would be too large for the site to handle, as well as having more than one animated image on an article, which may cause severe load times.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Evolution data ==

I noticed the explanation for reversions was "consistency"

My response: consistency with what?

At the time of the edits no other Generation IX Pokémon page had the sentence, and the pages for those Pokémon in question still do not. Cetitan still does not. Fidough still does not. The starters still do not. What does it need to be consistent with?

My stance: wouldn’t it make more sense to leave out evolution data until the game releases, or at the very least if a trailer drops? Because the use of the sentence "It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon” is kinda synonymous with Pokémon that don’t evolve at all. We don’t know if any of these Pokémon will have evolved forms, so why use a sentence that insinuates they won’t? At the least just put the word “currently” in there. [[User:Crummymummy|Crummymummy]] ([[User talk:Crummymummy|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's to be consistent with all other Pokémon not known to have an evolution. Aerodactyl ''could'' get an evolution in Gen IX too but that doesn't mean we remove the evolution info for it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 20:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
::It's to be consistent with all the other 805 Pokemon, not just the other Gen IX Pokemon. Just because some of them don't have it, doesn't mean none of them should have it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Adding to Unique Type Combination templates ==
Hello, I'm here to suggest adding a Gen VIII column to the Former Unique Type Combination template, an several Gen IX Pokemon have sent other Pokemon into that chart. [[User:PinkYoshiGaming|PinkYoshiGaming]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiGaming|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's on my list of things to do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

[[User talk:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] is still solely focusing on adding unnotable trivia to articles. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 21:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Question ==

Is it possible for regular users to edit the sprites section of Pokémon articles? If so, could you show me how, please?[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you mean the spritebox, then no, only staff members can edit those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thanks for letting me know. I asked because I thought that using GIFs for 3D Pokémon sprites would be better than using static images.[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:Animated models are out of the question as they can be very large in size and will cause the site to load slower, especially if were to have multiple animated models playing at the same time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::Animated models from generation 6 like on [https://projectpokemon.org/home/docs/spriteindex_148/3d-models-generation-1-pok%C3%A9mon-r90/ this site] weight around 200KB, same like some of BW sprites which are already used on Bulbapedia. I think we could eventually update models for newer generation. I guess it depends on the tech guys behind Bulbapedia when they fix image issues.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 13:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Is there any way they could be set to only load the GIF/APNG and animate if hovered over, with the first frame being loaded as a static image the rest of the time? I've seen that capability on other platforms, having them be "static images unless interacted with" could reduce the strain, they could play one at a time versus all at once. [[User:Atrius97|Atrius97]] ([[User talk:Atrius97|talk]]) 14:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Or maybe we could start having separate gallery pages for each Pokémon. Something like [[Pikachu (Pokémon)/Gallery]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 14:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would even expand that on "non-essential data" (or with a different name). The most common complains about Bulbapedia I hear is that you need to scroll over a lot of data to see what you really want, stats, moves or weaknesses.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

== Please don't break the rules ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:Userspace_policy Here] it is written that: "'''Users at administrator level or above have the authority to delete any content they feel is breaching the userspace policy. Offenders will generally be given a day or two to "rescue" their content and save it somewhere that isn't on Bulbapedia.'''". I didn't break any rule so I don't see a reason to be banned besides you being prejudiced against me. If you want me to put that edit on my subpage then at least don't make it impossible to access. It doesn't make any difference to me and I would be happy to talk instead of all this.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:As I presume you just completely ignored my comment on your talk page, here is the same message.
:Once again, you must be reminded on this. Do '''not''' go around making largescale edits without permission, especially if you are going to just undo yourself. That makes it completely unnecessary and almost vandal-like. If you want to showcase a suggestion, do so in your userspace, stop going around acting like the site is your play thing. Before you cry "it's not in any policies", it's common sense. Not everything needs to be written down, particularly when it comes to common sense things. Also, I was being pretty lenient in my reminder in the previous discussion, but your snarky response suggests you don't want me to be lenient. It doesn't matter if you're making mainspace ideas, it doesn't make you above policy or of higher authority, you still need to abide by it.

So next time you have some giant suggestion, make a userpage. Do '''not''' make such an unnecessary edit.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

:It really makes no difference to me. Add that to the rules. I thought I'm making it simpler for everyone by not making new pages for no reason. So, anyway what's your opinion on that suggestion? Btw, I found two subpages of mine that I don't use [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Template] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Categorytable], can you delete them, please?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::I'm not addind common sense to the policy. Common sense doesn't need to be written, not every little thing that users disagree with needs to be written down in a policy.
::And if it makes no difference to you, then that implies you'd do it again. Once again showing no real fear of consequence. If you do such a thing again, it doesn't make it any more right. The penalty will just be harsher.
::No one is going to bregrudge you for making another userpage with suggestions, why would you even think that.
::If you want my opinion on your suggestion, it's similar to what Nescientist said, less colors more simple listing. Less is more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:50, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:::What? Saying it makes no difference to me means I'll do it your way. So, can I have this page visible again so I could copy it on my userspace?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::::I will make a page, presently, in your userspace with the copy (minus categories) of the [[Type expert]] edit you made.
::::As ForceFire says, user pages exist for a very good reason. If it's for site ideas, just use one. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ok. And you also could state your opinion about it. So far I've heard it's a step in good direction.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Narrator (WCS) ==

I would like to know, can [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Narrator (WCS)|this page]] be promoted to mainspace? BigDocFan also suggested another name, what is the best option to refer to this character in your opinion?-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:Announcer is probably a more suitable name and the parenthesis should be the region they're from unless you are certain they're all the same person and not another Joy/Jenny/Don George sort of deal. Otherwise, I think it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Milcery ==

Caterpie taken more time to evolve in the episode where it caught while Goh's Milcery Evolve just 1 minute after she caught first Pokemon Evolve in quickest time me not written same episode caught or evolve [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 16:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Can you check a certain user? ==

I have some suspicions about AutumOcto, who I think may be a sockpuppet of a particular user. They're not quite as blatant as MinnieG, but the edits are still fairly similar. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

== Spambots ==

[[User talk:WildaFabian17|WildaFabian17]] and [[User talk:JosefPrendergast|JosefPrendergast]] seem to be spambots. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 07:55, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Articles promoted to Main Page ==
Hey there. I created a few drafts for some of Goh's Pokémon after I recently went on a Journeys rewatch marathon, and created these Draft Articles after I believed (IMO) that these Pokémon had, again IMO, enough noteworthy appearances. Of course, I wanted to check with an admin to see if they're good enough to be "promoted" to Bulbapedia's main pages.

*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Venomoth|Goh's Venomoth]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Dustox|Goh's Dustox]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Taillow|Goh's Taillow]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Lilligant|Goh's Lilligant]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Floette|Goh's Floette]]
Regardless of your answer, thanks in advance! [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 02:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements. Liligant and Floette has not made enough notable appearances, while Dustox doesn't have any notable appearances.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:: While we're on the subject, I know that Goh's Pokémon need at least three episodes of noteworthy appearance to receive their own articles, IIRC. But, Goh's Absol only has two episodes on the "History" description. So, I'm assuming that if a Pokémon had an entire episode dedicated to them, it drops to 2 episodes instead of 3? So, if let's say, Falinks had another noteworthy appearance, it would then receive its own article, since it also had a whole episode dedicated to it? [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 19:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Also, also, does that mean, I have permission to create an official article for Goh's Venomoth? Like, if I do, I won't get in trouble? And Taillow for that matter. {{unsigned|HygorBH}}
:::::''Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements.''

:::::Does this mean that Venomoth and Taillow can be moved to mainspace?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::Venomoth and Taillow are fine to be mainspaced.
::::::As for Hygor's other question, yes, if a Pokemon has a very prominent role in its capture episode, it counts as an episode it had an impact on, so it's notable once it appears more than once (in a non background capacity at least, ie. not just standing idly). Otherwise, the second part of Goh's rule comes into play (the Pokemon needing to be used by Goh in some capacity in more then two episodes).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::: OK. So, I'll create pages for Venomoth and Taillow and place it on the main page. I just hope I don't get into trouble afterwards. [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 17:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::In fact, the process would just move the page to mainspace, Hygor. It is not necessary to create a new page to place your content.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

== Leon Charizard ==

''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them. An exception may be made if another Pokémon that is not the signature has had an impact on the series. One example of this would possibly be Gary's Arcanine. Jimmy and Marina also fall into this category. If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''
:Leon's Charizard fits this criteria. Can we please stop pretending it hasn't had an impact on the series? If you want to argue that it hasn't, look at episodes [[JN042]] to [[JN045]]. This Pokémon has had more notability than many rival Pokémon that do have pages. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::Take [[Harrison's Blaziken]], [[Nando's Roserade]], and [[Miette's Slurpuff]] as random examples. Please explain what these signature rival Pokémon have done that makes them worthy of a page when Charizard isn't? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Being a signature Pokémon is just one of the criteria. And Miette's Slurpuff is an actual character that does things besides battle and has an article that is interesting to read. Also, just because some older articles no longer fit the newer criteria does not mean that newer articles don't still have to meet the criteria. The article still just amounts to Charizard battling and does not make for an interesting read. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
::::Interesting read and relevant read are different things. Even if a majority of it's appearances are battling, it has still done things related to the plot of the series: serving as Ash's main goal, helping stop the Darkest Day, training with Ash, its backstory with Leon. I also don't understand the issue with battling. It's Pokémon. Battling is the main pull of the franchise. It makes sense that it will be heavily featured. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 00:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::That's rather the point. A Pokémon engaging in Pokémon battles is the norm, not a special exception that makes it distinct and interesting enough for its own article. We don't have an article for every Pokémon that has battled in more than one episode. And there are plenty of Pokémon (such as those belonging to Gym Leaders) that Ash has had to battle for his journey, some across multiple episodes. That doesn't make the Pokémon itself interesting or notable enough to have its own article. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}Leon is a Champion, so he falls under rule 4 not rule 3. And in accordance to rule four, only their signatures get articles if they have done more than battle. Charizard only meets half of that requirement.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot''
::Leon is said to be Ash's main rival in Journeys so I'm not sure why you think he doesn't fall under both categories. Either way, Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day. That is having an impact on the plot and still qualifies it. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Force Fire, I put this on your talk page because I wanted to have this discussion with you. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I've already explained in previous discussions why Charizard's role in darkest day isn't worth noting. All it did was battle the Eternatus, it didn't help the main characters get to their goal (as is the case with Steven's Metagross where it helped the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger again ==

Despite having been warned multiple times about adding dubious trivia and/or trivia with poor grammar, AlolanRanger is still at it.
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3591070&oldid=3590901 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3590324&oldid=3590315 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN129&diff=prev&oldid=3588718 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN013&diff=prev&oldid=3582541 Example 4]

They've been notified multiple times over the past two months, but to no avail. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 17:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

== MazieGatlin ==

[[User talk:MazieGatlin|MazieGatlin]] appears to be a spambot. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

== Shipping overhaul ==

What do you mean by "shipping overhaul? Just wondering. Cause evidence is the necessary purpose of the prove of the Amourshipping. [[User:Kevin128|Kevin128]] ([[User talk:Kevin128|talk]]) 01:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

AmourShipping

2022-11-07T00:53:28Z

Kevin128: Not really sure why the evidence was removed but mind if I put it back in?

{{incomplete|needs=Page should be updated to follow a format similar to [[RocketShipping]] and [[PokéShipping]]}}
{{ship}}
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[[File:Satosere.png|thumb|250px|Ash and Serena meet up for the first time in years]]
'''AmourShipping''' (Japanese: '''サトセレ''' ''SatoSere'') is one of the most common pairings within the Pokémon fandom, alongside [[PokéShipping]] and [[RocketShipping]]. It is also one of the few pairings that has been officially recognized by The Pokémon Company, with evidence found across multiple adaptations.

Though Serena had debuted in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'', long after Ash originally debuted in the anime series, the pairing is unique in that Ash and Serena had canonically first met each other prior to the beginning of the series. Serena had gotten lost in the forest during Professor Oak's Summer Camp and was scared by a Poliwag that caused her to trip and injure her leg. Ash eventually found her by chance and bandaged her leg with a handkerchief he had on hand. He then helped her stand up, but not before leaving her with encouraging words to never give up, which left a lasting impression on Serena. Years later, during ''[[XY002|Lumiose City Pursuit!]]'', she would learn of Ash being in Kalos after he became the center of attention in a news report from Lumiose City that involved him stopping a Garchomp's rampage, after which she would recognize him. Eager to see him again and thank him for their first encounter, Serena started her journey in hopes of meeting him once more. She reunites with him and is eventually invited by Ash to travel with him. The two travelled together throughout the Kalos region and built a strong bond with each other. Their bond has most recently been made evident in Serena's first reappearance in [[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]], well after the two first parted ways.

==Anime evidence==

===Serena's hints===
*''[[XY002|Lumiose City Pursuit!]]''
:*When Serena sees a live news report of Ash trying to calm a rampaging {{p|Garchomp}} on [[Lumiose Gym|Prism Tower]], she silently looks on, seemingly in awe at Ash's bravery. When Ash jumps off the tower to rescue {{AP|Pikachu}}, she gasps in fear for his safety. However, this may have been merely general concern, since the news camera never showed Ash's face in full until he was safely on the ground.
:*Upon seeing Ash's face up-close on TV, she ponders whether she recognizes him, having a flashback scene of a younger Ash at the end of the episode.

*''[[XY003|A Battle of Aerial Mobility!]]''
:*Serena decides to begin her journey after seeing Ash on television. Upon arriving at [[Professor Sycamore]]'s laboratory, and before choosing her [[starter Pokémon]], Serena tells Sycamore that she is looking for the boy who was on the news. Her eyes seem to light up considerably when Sycamore identifies him as Ash.

*''[[XY005|A Blustery Santalune Gym Battle!]]''
:*After Serena and her Fennekin finished eating breakfast, she says she will be soon in Santalune City and is excited to finally get to see Ash.
:*When Serena is walking down the steps in [[Santalune City]], she thinks about how she cannot wait to see the look on Ash's face when he sees her. Then, she has a flashback of a young Ash extending his arm, as if he was offering her his hand. When the flashback ends, she is seen blushing slightly.
:*When she sees Ash battling [[Viola]], she is so overcome with excitement that she runs toward the battlefield, seemingly planning on going ''directly'' on there to greet Ash without noticing that the battle is still in progress.
:*Later, when Ash loses the battle, Serena is obviously remorseful and attempts to speak to him, but is further saddened when he runs past her without noticing her, since he is concentrating on his injured Pokémon.
:*While Ash wonders how he is going to compensate for Viola's strategies, Serena looks nervous before she returns his backpack to him. When Serena returns Ash's [[bag|backpack]] to him (which Ash had left behind at the [[Gym]]), she starts to ask Ash something while blushing a little, only to be interrupted by the [[Pokémon Center]] bell.
:*When Ash falls to the ground while catching Pikachu and Fletchling, Serena is the only person to call out his name in worry.
:*When Ash is on the ground from the intense {{pkmn|training}}, dirty after falling to the ground while catching Pikachu and {{AP|Fletchling}}, Serena walks up to him and hands him a handkerchief to clean himself up with, showing her thoughtfulness towards him.
:*Serena looks nervous before she asks him if he remembers her. It is interesting to note that when she is seen interacting with [[Grace (Kalos)|her mother]], Serena has a sassy and rebellious attitude towards her, but whenever she is around Ash, she seems to be extremely hesitant and nervous, contradicting the personality that viewers have seen from her in prior episodes.

*''[[XY006|Battling on Thin Ice!]]''
:*After she asks Ash if he remembers her, Serena mentions that they met in {{an|Professor Oak}}'s Pokémon Summer Camp in [[Pallet Town]]. When Ash remembers attending the camp, she is overjoyed and tells him that she went there as well. However, when he says that he does not remember her specifically, she is visibly disappointed, but instantly cheers up, obviously not wanting to be upset or angry with him.
:*When Ash says that his battle was a disaster, Serena says she thinks he was awesome and reminds him that he once told her to never give up till the end, and that he hasn't changed at all since they met. These words helped Ash continue his training in order to win the rematch against Viola.
:*When the group is having dinner after the training session, Serena glances at Ash and smiles at him while he is eating. Since this is directly after him saying that he is sure to win the rematch, this strongly implies that she is admiring his determination and is impressed by it.
:*When Surskit starts skating around Pikachu, just like before, Serena assures the others that Ash will be fine.
:*After Vivillon knocks Fletchling out, Ash's friends wonder if he can win, Serena reassures them with her unwavering confidence in Ash's abilities.
:*When Sleep Powder hits Pikachu, Ash begins to lose hope in his chances of winning, Serena is the only one that cheers him on.
:*When Ash tells Viola that he is not going to lose because he will keep battling until the very end, Serena has a flashback of a younger Ash telling her those words.
:*Throughout the entire Gym battle, her cheering for Ash seems to be in a more enthusiastic way than {{an|Clemont}} and {{an|Bonnie}}. She also keeps reassuring Clemont, Bonnie, and [[Alexa]] that everything is going to be okay and that Ash would win, showing that she strongly believes in him. Later, when Ash becomes overwhelmed by Viola's new battling strategies, Serena cries out to Ash that he should not give up (echoing a motto Ash had told her in their childhood). In that scene, the emotions are seemingly emphasized. Her encouragement snaps him out of his panic and helps him win the battle.

*''[[XY007|Giving Chase at the Rhyhorn Race!]]''
:*After Ash asks Serena to join them in their travels, she puts a hand over her heart and smiles before winking at him and accepting the invitation.
:*When Clemont asks Serena why she started her journey, she pulls out the same handkerchief Ash used to bandage her, and shows it to Ash in a second attempt to get him to remember their past. This shows that Serena has kept the same handkerchief Ash used to tie up her knee with after all these years.
:*In a flashback of when Ash and Serena first met as children, Serena is lost in a forest and is suddenly scared by a wild Poliwag, which causes her to trip and injure her leg. Ash finds Serena, bandages her knee and then pulls her up from the ground. She ends up falling into his arms in some sort of hug, and the camera zooms on her surprised face. Then, she quickly pulls away and looks at him, a surprised expression on her face. When Ash is showing her the way out of the forest, she is wide-eyed and blushing. This flashback indicates that Serena developed feelings for Ash after that incident.
:*When Ash identifies Serena as the same girl he helped when he was younger, she blushes.
[[File:Young Ash and Serena.png|thumb|300px|Flashback of Ash and Serena]]
:*Ash asks Serena why she went through all the trouble of returning the handkerchief to him and she replies with "Not just that. You see, I also really wanted to see you again". Serena then pouts, blushing, when she complains about Ash failing to remember her.
:*Serena puts on a pink outfit for {{p|Rhyhorn}} racing and then asks Ash what he thinks of it with a blush on her face.
:*When Ash wears the outfit for Rhyhorn racing and ask how does he look, Serena says that he looks perfect.
:*When Serena is on top of the Rhyhorn and demonstrating for Ash how to ride one, she is blushing.
:*At the end of the day, Ash is still trying to ride Rhyhorn properly and Serena gives him the same advice her mother gave her about not trying to talk lest you bite your tongue and to be one with Rhyhorn. Serena is impressed after seeing Ash's hard training and that he didn't give up, Serena realizes that maybe she has misjudged Rhyhorn racing.
:*After the cameras broadcasting the race get disrupted and the group can't see what is happening, Serena calls Ash's name in a worried tone.
:*When Ash tells Grace about Serena teaching him to ride a Rhyhorn, Serena is embarrassed and blushes.
:*When it is nighttime and everyone is sleeping, there is a view of the whole room with Serena's bed shown to be empty. It is then revealed that Serena is in the kitchen baking. At the end of the episode, she hands to Ash a pouch filled with cookies. She blushes and tells him that it is because she is thankful towards him. Then, she has a flashback of her and Ash when they were younger holding hands. After the flashback ends, she winks at him.

*''[[XY008|Grooming Furfrou!]]''
:*The group is amazed at how Pikachu manages to dodge attacks and battle effectively, despite being unable to see due to the strong bond between Ash and Pikachu, Clemont and Bonnie talk with Jessica about it while Serena is only looking at Ash.

*''[[XY010|Mega-Mega Meowth Madness!]]
:*When Ash falls down, everybody else worries about Pikachu, but only Serena yells Ash's name.

*''[[XY011|The Bamboozling Forest!]]''
:*After Clemont uses his machine "Pokémon Translator Device" to translate what the Pancham are saying, Serena still believes what Ash said was correct.
:*As Ash voices his anger, Serena joins in while Bonnie and Clemont remain quiet.

*''[[XY012|To Catch a Pokémon Smuggler!]]
:*When Ash blushes after he mistakes his stomach growling for a strange sound, Serena looks at him and smiles.

*''[[XY013|Kindergarten Chaos!]]''
:*When a teacher named {{OBP|Penelope|XY013}} challenges Ash to a battle and states that if she wins, he would have to come with her, Serena freaks out and begins to blush. After Ash loses the battle, as promised, he will be with Penelope for a while, making Serena even more shocked. Later on, when Penelope takes the group to the kindergarten she works at and Serena realizes she misunderstood her, she puts a hand over her heart in relief.
:*When Ash is pushed out of the truck by {{TRT}}, Serena quickly runs towards him while shouting his name and asks if he is all right.
:*After Penelope's car come into the warehouse where Team Rocket was hiding, Serena is relieved when she sees Ash is alright.

*''[[XY017|A Rush of Ninja Wisdom!]]''
:*In the beginning of the episode, while Ash is training with his Froakie, Serena is taking care of his Pikachu, instead of carrying her Fennekin.

*''[[XY018|Awakening the Sleeping Giant!]]''
:*When Ash and his friends hear the towns people talking they cannot sleep because of Snorlax's loud noise and they won't celebrate the Harvest Festival. Ash decides that they will ask Lord Shabboneau to play his Poké Flute to resolve the problem, Serena looks at him and smiles.
:*When Princess Allie offers Ash jewels in exchange for Pikachu, Serena says that he won't do it while Bonnie and Clemont remain quiet.

*''[[XY019|A Conspiracy to Conquer!]]''
:*When Ash and Clemont follow after the "Pika-bot" and left behind Serena, Bonnie and Meowth. Serena is the only one that yells Ash's name.
:*It can be noted that while Serena is hypnotized, she goes after only Ash while ignoring {{MTR}}.

*''[[XY020|Breaking Titles at the Chateau!]]''
:*In the beginning of the episode, Serena and Bonnie are both excited to introduce the idea of the [[Battle Chateau]] to Ash. While Bonnie blushes over the possibility of cake, Serena is blushing because she is sure that he would like it and suggests him that they should go there. After they arrive there, Serena asks if this is something Ash's interested in, which he answers in the affirmative.
:*When Ash is battling Chester, Serena is the only one who is cheering for Ash while Clemont and Bonnie only give compliments about Chester's Fletchling.

*''[[XY021|A PokéVision of Things to Come!]]''
:*Serena is visibly worried when Ash mentions that the video of {{an|Aria}} looks cute before he clarifies that he's talking about [[Aria's Fennekin]]. Once the clarification is made, Serena's expression softens.
:*When Serena asks Ash for help with her video and he declines, she is upset. Note that she asks Ash before everyone else.
:*Serena convinces Ash to help with the filming telling him that if he doesn't take a break, his training won't be productive.
:*At the end of the episode, Serena specifically asks Ash what he thought of her video with a blush on her face.

*''[[XY022|Going for the Gold!]]''
:*After seeing the [[Shiny|golden]] {{p|Magikarp}} for real, Serena high fived with Ash.

*''[[XY024|An Undersea Place to Call Home!]]''
:*When Ash and friends are using one of Clemont's machines to randomly decide the two who going in the submarine together, Serena unhesitatingly chooses the same arrow as Ash, before either of the siblings can.
:*When Ash attempts to stop Team Rocket from escaping, Serena tries to stop him because of the danger involved.

*''[[XY025|Climbing the Walls!]]''
:*Seeing that Ash is eager to battle after they arrive in Cyllage City, Serena smiles and says he will win the Gym match.
:*When Ash is rock climbing in [[Cyllage Gym]], the camera focuses on a worried Serena.
:*Before the battle between Ash and [[Grant]] starts, Serena is very worried. She clasps her hands together which catches the notice of Bonnie and Clemont. She then begins to blush and, at one point, tears up when thinking about how hard Ash has trained.
:*When Grant's Onix is going to use Rock Tomb, Serena is shown to be growing worried about Ash and calls his name in concern. Later when Ash is having trouble she clasps her hands together.

*''[[XY026|A Battle by Any Other Name!]]''
:*When [[Miette]] offers Poké Puffs to the group as an apology, Serena is shown to be upset and angry when Ash says he would like to eat them.
:*Miette asks Ash teasingly if he has a future bride in mind (in reference to Bonnie asking women to have her brother Clemont) to see how Serena would react. Serena is shown to be paying close attention from the corner of her eye with a frown, and then looks away and pretends indifference.
:*When Ash is holding on the tube to stop the air flow from reaching the [[mecha]] so it could run, the camera goes to a worried Serena, who yells out his name in concern.
:*At the end of the episode, after Ash calls Serena's name, Miette teases Serena about him and says that if Serena doesn't tell Ash how she feels about him, then she will. Serena blushes bright red, but walks away smiling. It is interesting to note that Serena is the only girl to not deny her feelings for Ash when teased about it.

*''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''
:*When Ash bangs his head against the tree after catching Pikachu, the camera focuses on Serena, who shouts his name in concern while clasping her hands together.

*''[[XY029|Heroes - Friends and Faux Alike!]]''
:*When Ash tries to go down the transporter after Pikachu, Serena tries to stop him from doing anything dangerous while Clemont and Bonnie do nothing.

*''[[XY030|Mega Revelations!]]''
:*When Ash is battling [[Korrina]], only Serena is cheering him on, while Clemont and Bonnie are complimenting how strong {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}} is.

*''[[XY031|The Cave of Trials!]]''
:*While everyone's picture is being taken, Serena slides closer to Ash, leaving an obvious gap separating them from the others and unlike everybody else, Serena isn't looking into the camera but is looking at Ash when the picture is being taken.
:*After the group photo, Serena is seen admiring the picture with Ash and happily humming to herself until he calls her to hurry and she turns around with a blush.
:*When the group is entering the cave, Serena grabs on to Ash.
:*When the group realize that the Blaziken blocking the path had defeated Team Rocket, they get very scared and Serena grabs onto Ash.

*''[[XY032|The Aura Storm!]]''
:*As {{me|Lucario}} is about to uncontrollably use {{m|Power-Up Punch}} on Ash, who is protecting Pikachu, Serena yells out in concern.

*''[[XY033|Calling from Beyond the Aura!]]''
:*After the group is separated because they ran away from the Noibat colony, Ash decides to search for the others, Serena tries to stop him because he can get lost in the cave.

*''[[XY035|The Forest Champion!]]''
:*As Ash follows Bonnie to attempt to save the berries that were stolen by a wild {{p|Ursaring}}, Serena calls after him in a worried tone.
:*Serena is the first person to ask if Ash is all right after saving {{AP|Hawlucha}}.
:*When the group arrive at Hawlucha's training spot and Ash runs to see Hawlucha, Serena calls his name in a worried tone.
:*After the mist covering the battle clears up, Serena is the first one to be seen running towards Ash, worried if he is hurt.

*''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]''
:*As [[Mirror Ash]] takes Pikachu causing Ash to shout out, Serena calls his name with a worried expression. When Ash's friends arrive in his direction and see him disappearing through the mirror before it closes, Serena becomes extremely worried about Ash and shouts his name in concern.
:*After Clemont's invention called the "Other Dimension Converter" explodes, Serena's eyes glisten with tears when she thinks Ash has disappeared forever.
:*Throughout the episode, Serena is immensely worried about Ash, more so than Clemont and Bonnie. When they are in front of the mirror that Ash went through, Serena clasps her hands together and wishes for Ash to return.
:*When the mirrors drift apart, Ash is carried to the other side away from the group. [[Mirror Serena]] yells at Serena that if she wants to travel with Ash, her will for him has to be strong. Serena's eyes widen and then she nods her head in determination realizing that if she wants Ash back, she has to try her hardest.
:*Serena saves Ash by grabbing his hand and helping him make it back to their dimension. Even with both Clemont and Bonnie reaching for Ash, it is Serena who manages to reach him.
:*After Ash is safely back in their dimension, Mirror Serena tells Serena to take good care of Ash; Serena smiles and nods her head in understanding.
:*At the end of the episode, Serena asks Ash if they will always be traveling together from now on, to which a smiling Ash replies with that she should not even have asked such an obvious question.

*''[[XY038|Forging Forest Friendships!]]''
:*When Clemont hears a story about a Pokémon that controls trees, captures humans who hurts the forest, and eats them, Serena immediately worries about the possibility that Ash might be eaten.
:*After Pikachu finds Ash, Serena is the first one heard saying his name in concern.

*''[[XY039|Summer of Discovery!]]''
:*At the end of the episode, Serena is out on the dock brushing Fennekin's tail, Serena recalls Ash's dream first as she makes note of how all of her friends are pursuing their dreams and wonders what her dream is.

*''[[XY040|Day Three Blockbusters!]]''
:*Serena is immediately worried and asks Ash if he is okay as he lies on the ground after saving her.
:*After Ash injures his foot, Serena nurses it with a wet cloth and her hand seems to linger while she is doing so, and is also apologetic to him, blaming herself that she injured his foot.
:*When Serena exclaims how amazing Ash is after hearing him talk about his dream, he looks at her in surprise. She quickly becomes embarrassed and tends to his foot again to change the subject.
:*Serena takes Ash's advice when he said, "Nothing we ever do is the waste of time," to come up with the idea for a new [[Pokévision]] video.
:*Serena is persuaded by Ash that she will find her dream with her Pokémon.

*''[[XY041|Foggy Pokémon Orienteering!]]''
:*Serena asks about Ash's prior foot injury with a concerned look on her face.
:*After Ash runs through the forest being unable to see anything in the thick fog and hits his face with a tree, Serena calls his name in a worried tone.
:*As Ash makes his way back across after saving Bonnie from the other side, Serena, who says in concern that he can do it, conveys that she does not want Ash to lose his footing and hurt himself.

*''[[XY042|Battling Into the Hall of Fame!]]''
:*During the entire episode, each time Serena battles, she is usually ordering {{TP|Serena|Fennekin}} to support Pikachu. This is an interesting hint since she could have chosen to assist Clemont instead or battle more independently like Clemont and Ash did.
:*When Serena recalls how Ash practiced the rhythm battling style the night before, she is the only one who finds it amusing as she giggles and calls Ash clumsy.

*''[[XY043|Origins of Mega Evolution!]]''
:*After Korrina asks Ash if he is ready for the Gym match, Serena is worried about Ash and tells him that he doesn't have a definite strategy with a concerned tone of voice.
:*When Ash and his Pokémon are practicing their dancing moves, Bonnie and Clemont start laughing at Ash's clumsiness and Serena tells them to stop.
:*When Clemont's machine called "Not-A-Very-Good-Dancer Automated Good Dancing Device" is about to explode and hurt Ash, Serena is the only one that tells Clemont to stop it with a worried tone.
:*After Clemont's dancing machine blows up, Serena tells Ash that she can teach him to dance. Although the two dancing together is not shown, the scene moves from day to sunset where Ash and Serena have just finished dancing and Ash collapses from exhaustion from a full day's training. Ash doesn't seem to have improved in his dancing skills, Serena asks him if he will be okay.

*''[[XY044|Showdown at the Shalour Gym!]]''
:*After Ash sends out Hawlucha to battle Mienfoo, Serena is the only one that cheers for Ash.
:*Serena expresses her excitement when Hawlucha starts doing the rhythm battling strategy.
:*When Ash's Hawlucha is struggling with the rhythmic battle style, the camera briefly focuses on Serena with a worried look.
:*After Hawlucha defeats Korrina's {{p|Mienfoo}}, Serena internally cheers for Ash to win.

*''[[XY050|Pathways to Performance Partnering!]]''
:*When Team Rocket throws a smoke bomb, Ash and Serena turn towards each other and cover both of their heads with their arms to protect each other.

*''[[XY052|A Stealthy Challenge!]]''
:*While Ash is training {{AP|Froakie}} and Pikachu, Serena is the only one who is cheering for him while Bonnie and Clemont only give compliments about the two Pokémon.
:*When Ash and Sanpei come to the Safe House, Serena asks Ash if he is okay with a concerned tone of voice.
:*At the end of the episode, Serena is taking care of Ash's Pikachu while he is battling Sanpei.

*''[[XY053|A Race for Home!]]''
:*When Ash tells Serena that it was thanks to her teaching that he was able to participate in a race, Serena visibly blushes.
:*When Grace brings Ash and Serena together, they look at each other with embarrassment.
:*When Ash is about to reveal Serena's goal to Grace, Serena quickly covers his mouth.
:*As Serena is practicing her routine, she becomes discouraged but instantly cheers up as she remembers Ash's encouragement.
:*During the race against Grace, when Serena falls behind, she shouts the words Ash told her when they met, helping her win the race.

*''[[XY055|A Slippery Encounter!]]''
:*When Ash falls down after {{AP|Goomy}} lands on his head, Serena calls out in worry, despite it not being a dangerous situation.
:*When Ash walks down the slope and begins to speed up uncontrollably, Serena calls out his name in worry.
:*When Team Rocket orders their Pokémon to attack Ash, Serena is the only one who voices her concern.

*''[[XY056|One for the Goomy!]]''
:*After Serena and Bonnie are separated from Ash and Clemont, Serena is calling out for Ash, but not Clemont.
:*Serena apologizes to Ash because Goomy got lost when she was fighting Team Rocket.

*''[[XY058|The Green, Green Grass Types of Home!]]''
:*When Serena goes out onto the balcony, she watches Ash training and admires him for his hard work, which also motivates her to work hard for her first [[Pokémon Showcase]].
:*While Ash's Hawlucha is struggling against [[Ramos]]'s {{p|Weepinbell}} after being {{status|Poison|poisoned}}, there is a momentary close-up on Serena's worried face.

[[File:Serena new look.png|thumb|300px|Serena blushing with her hand on the ribbon Ash gave her]]
*''[[XY059|Under the Pledging Tree!]]''
:*When Serena registers for the {{ci|Coumarine}} Showcase, she looks at Ash and loses her sense of doubt and nervousness when she sees him nod in encouragement.
:*As Ash and Serena walk away from Bonnie and Clemont, Serena's thoughts are voiced over as she quickly comes to the conclusion that she is on a date with Ash.
:*While walking, Serena blushes and attempts to hold Ash's hand. Her hand is visibly shaking and has turned red, possibly out of nervousness, and she is unable to grab his hand.
:*When Ash and Serena are riding the monorail, Serena sees Ash looking happily out the window; this makes her smile and blush.
:*When Serena sees gifts in the shops windowsills, she is very happy and invites Ash to see them.
:*When Ash goes on his own to look for presents for his Pokémon, Serena is visibly disappointed at being left alone.
:*When Serena tells Ash that his Pokémon would be happy with anything he gives them because all of his Pokémon are similar to him, Serena moves very close to Ash.
:*During the fireworks, when Ash gives Serena the blue ribbon as a gift for helping him out, Serena is surprised, blushes, and happily accepts the gift.

*''[[XY060|A Showcase Debut!]]''
:*During the Pokémon Showcase, Serena recalls Ash's advice from ''Day Three Blockbusters!'' and makes sure to put everything she has learned on her journey thus far into her performance.
:*Ash is the only one who has a positive reaction about Serena's new look, telling her that she looks great and that he is fine with her new look, to which Serena thanks him.
:*When Ash points out that Serena is wearing the ribbon he gave her on her new outfit, she blushes.

*''[[XY061|An Oasis of Hope!]]''
:*After the group gets captured, [[Jessie]] remarks on Serena's haircut and [[James]] asks, "Perhaps nursing a broken heart?", Serena responds angrily, "That is none of your business!"
:*As Ash voices his anger, Serena joins in while Bonnie and Clemont remain quiet.
:*When Ash is struck by {{m|Iron Tail}}, Serena calls out his name in worry.

*''[[XY062|The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination!]]''
:*When Ash, Clemont, Bonnie, and Serena enter to the ventilation duct, Serena moves closer to Ash.
:*When Ash is able to get close to Pikachu while being electrocuted and almost reaches past Pikachu's mind control, Serena is looking at Ash in awe due to his bravery.

*''[[XY064|Battling with Elegance And a Big Smile!]]''
:*After being challenged to a battle by Aria, Serena is hesitant to accept the challenge, but does so after being encouraged by Ash. She blushes as he does so.
:*During her battle with Aria, Serena looks at Ash several times and later mimics his battle style.
:*Seeing that Ash is very excited to battle his next gym match, Serena smiles at him.
:*At the end Serena tells Ash that is time to go and when the group is running Serena and Ash are looking at each other.

*''[[XY065|Good Friends, Great Training!]]''
:*Serena blushes while asking Ash what strategy he has for his upcoming Gym battle against Clemont.
:*Serena worriedly calls out to Ash after the fire closes in on him.

*''[[XY067|The Moment of Lumiose Truth!]]''
:*Serena is happy when she notices Ash is having fun in his Gym Match.
:*Serena is excited and blushes when Hawlucha's Karate Chop hits Heliolisk and after Hawlucha defeats Heliolisk, Serena is cheering in excitement for Ash.
:*Serena puts her hand over her heart when she became worried about Ash losing the battle against Clemont.
:*After Ash's Gym battle victory, Serena is excited and puts her hand over her heart.
:*Serena cheers on Ash during his battle and congratulates him after he defeated Clemont.

*''[[XY068|Garchomp's Mega Bond!]]''
:*When the radio waves begin to hurt Professor Sycamore and Ash runs to help him, Serena calls out Ash's name in worry.
:*When the group reunites with Ash and Blaziken Mask, Serena calls Ash's name with a concerned look on her face.

*''[[XY069|Defending the Homeland!]]''
:*When Ash becomes frustrated after [[Keanan]] talks about how Pokémon should solve problems alone, Serena looks at him with a worried expression.

*''[[XY070|Beyond the Rainbow!]]''
:*As Ash, Goodra, and {{an|Florges}} are in Team Rocket's jet, Serena becomes concerned and whispers Ash's name in worry.
:*When Team Rocket's aircraft is damaged and loses control. Serena is the only one who orders the bug army to help Ash and the Pokémon.
:*When the aircraft begins to explode, causing both Goodra and Florges fall down and Ash dives after them, Serena gasps in fear for his safety.
:*When Ash and his Goodra land safely on the ground after falling from Team Rocket's jet, Serena runs up to Ash to check on him. In doing so, she puts her hands on both his shoulders and exclaims her relief that he is all right.

*''[[XY071|So You're Having a Bad Day!]]''
:*When the group is separated, Serena is calling out for Ash only, despite her Braixen and Pancham are lost as well.
:*While searching, Serena called for Ash first.
:*Both Serena and Ash are relieved to see each other when they reunite.

*''[[XY072|Scary Hospitality!]]''
:*When Ash runs out into the hallway to find Bonnie and his friends hear him cry out in surprise, Serena becomes extremely worried about Ash and shouts his name in concern.

*''[[XY073|A Fashionable Battle!]]''
:*When Serena and Bonnie are looking on a dress, Serena asks only for Ash's opinion about the dress, but when she looks back, he is already outside battling with [[Sawyer]].
:*When Serena is on stage in her furisode outfit, she is surprised by Ash's presence, and she blushes when he asks her how she had gotten on stage.
:*When Serena and Bonnie reunite with Ash and Clemont, Serena only calls Ash's name.

*''[[XY074|Fairy-Type Trickery!]]''
:*Before entering in the [[Laverre Gym]], Ash admits he hasn't prepared an strategy against Fairy types and his friends wonder if he can win, Serena is the only one showing confidence in Ash in his match against [[Valerie]].
:*When Ash's Fletchinder is having trouble battling Sylveon, Serena cheers on Ash while the others remain quiet.
:*After Spritzee knocks Fletchinder out, there is a close-up on Serena's worried face.
:*After Ash wins his battle against Valerie, Serena is very excited and congratulates him.

*''[[XY077|A Relay in the Sky!]]''
:*When [[Ornithol]] suggests that Ash enter the [[Pokémon Sky Relay]] with his Pokémon and he agrees, Serena becomes concerned and asks Ash if he and his Pokémon will be okay with a worried tone of voice.
:*During the relay, Serena is supporting and taking care of [[Ash's Noibat]].
:*After Noibat narrowly loses in the Sky Relay, Serena immediately rushes to Ash's side to help him cheering up Noibat, telling him she thought he was amazing, despite coming in 2nd place with a light blush on her face.

*''[[XY078|Lights! Camera! Pika!]]''
:*When Serena is filming and sees Ash and Pikachu grow bashful after [[Frank]] compliments them, she remarks on it while blushing.

*''[[XY080|Performing with Fiery Charm!]]''
:*Miette teases Serena about her relationship with Ash several times, which causes Serena to blush and get flustered. This includes when Miette:
::*asks Serena if her new haircut may be due to being rejected by Ash.
::*states that she would succeed in getting Ash.
::*after losing the Pokémon Showcase, whispers that she will also not give up on the other competition, referring to Ash.
:*After Ash said that Miette is really motivated, Serena tells him that she won't lose while blushing.
:*During the Poké Puff Baking round of the competition, Serena has a flashback of Ash enjoying her {{DL|Pokémon-Amie|Poké Puffs}} for inspiration. The last image and sound she recalls of the flashback is Ash laughing.
:*When Serena's dress is ripped after bumping into Jessie, Serena's first thought is to fall into despair, but she quickly recovers after remembering Ash's never-give-up attitude, and was able to tailor her dress in time for her own performance.
:*Serena seems happy when Ash congratulates her on the Showcase as she blushes when he states that her dress fits her well.
:*Serena looks a little worried when Ash wishes Miette good luck.

*''[[XY081|Rotom's Wish!]]''
:*When Mantle challenges Ash to a battle for his Pikachu, saying that he'll return the Pangoro if he loses, but Ash will lose Pikachu if he wins. Ash refuses to battle on those terms, the group is soon surrounded by Mantle's gang and realize that Ash is being coerced to fight. Serena calls Ash's name in worry.

*''[[XY083|Over the Mountain of Snow!]]''
:*When Ash tells Serena that she can ride along with him on the {{p|Mamoswine}}, she blushes. Later when Ash and Serena start riding Mamoswine, Serena is blushing.
:*Serena thanks Ash for praising her on how she managed to cross the bridge, despite her fear due to the enormous height.
:*When the Mamoswine were running to smash the boulder in their path, Serena holds on to Ash's shoulders.
:*After Ash jumps off of Mamoswine to confront an {{p|Abomasnow}}, Serena is the only person to call out his name in worry and then follow him.
:*When Ash and Serena are impressed about the hot springs after they enter in the Frost Cavern, Serena grabs Ash's shoulders.
:*Serena blushes when Ash compliments her for finding the herb they were looking for.

*''[[XY084|Adventures in Running Errands!]]''
:*When Ash is going to check the roof of the Pokémon Center, Serena tells him to be careful because of the rain. It could be noted that she only expresses concern for Ash's safety, even though Clemont is right next to her and risking almost-certain electrocution by working on the failed power equipment.
:*Serena blushes when she asks Ash what he thinks of her nurse outfit.

*''[[XY085|Mending a Broken Spirit!]]''
:*When Ash, Clemont, and Bonnie find Serena at [[Woodward]]'s house, Serena only mentions Ash when she expresses her surprise at seeing them.
:*When Team Rocket tries to steal Pikachu, Serena specifically appeals to Ash for help in battling them.

*''[[XY086|A Legendary Photo Op!]]''
:*When Ash races and jumps to the lava to catch Talonflame, Serena calls out his name in worry.
:*When Frogadier releases its Frubbles and wraps Ash and Talonflame before they fall into the crater, Serena calls out Ash's name in worry. After Ash is saved, Serena scolds him because he almost gets killed for his reckless attempt.

*''[[XY089|A Frolicking Find in the Flowers!]]''
:*When Ash and his friends find an open field of flowers with fresh air and Bonnie runs, Serena only tells Ash to join in.

*''[[XY090|Tag Team Battle Inspiration!]]''
:*Serena blushes and is slightly flustered when {{an|Shauna}} suggests that Serena likes Ash. She does not directly say she liked him, but his "positive mental attitude" is something she admired then freaks out even more when Ash overhears her talking about him.

*''[[XY091|A Performance Pop Quiz!]]''
:*When Ash encourages Serena and wishes her good luck before she leaves, Serena thanks him for his encouragement.

*''[[XY092|Cloudy Fate, Bright Future!]]''
:*When Serena hears Ash's conversation with Frogadier about his dream she looks at him in admiration and remembers [[XY040|the conversation she and Ash in an earlier episode]] about finding her dream together with her Pokémon.

*''[[XY093|All Eyes on the Future!]]''
:*Before the Gym match starts Ash's friends say that his battle against Olympia will be difficult and wonder if he can win. Serena is the only one showing confidence in Ash and says that he will be fine, he is constantly looking ahead and will find a way to win.
:*When Professor Sycamore and Clemont comment about Meowstic's abilities protect them from before Ash's Pokémon can attack. Serena is shown to be staring down at Ash and whispers his name in worry.
:*After Psyshock hits both Talonflame and Frogadier, Clemont wonders if Ash can win the battle, Serena shows confidence in Ash and says that he will be fine.
:*After the battle ends, and Ash explains his strategy involving Pikachu that helped him win, Serena is seen gazing at Ash in admiration while recalling something he said several episodes ago, before the conversation resumes.

*''[[XY096|A Giga Battle With Mega Results!]]''
:*When Ash rushes in to help [[Nurse Joy]] get out of the cracks, Serena grabs him to support him.

*''[[XY097|A Fiery Rite of Passage!]]''
:*When Pyroar breathes fire to throw Litleo into the air and Ash runs down the hill to intercede, Serena is worried and shouts his name in concern.

*''[[XY099|The Legend of the Ninja Hero!]]''
:*After Ash and [[Sanpei]] jump off the balcony in pursuit of [[Kagetomo]], Serena is the only one who immediately tries to follow before being stopped by [[Shinobu]]. Even after Shinobu tells her to return to [[Ippei]] as a safer alternative, Serena hesitates and whispers Ash's name in worry.

*''[[XY102|Meeting at Terminus Cave!]]''
:*After Ash experiences pain from Ash-Greninja, Serena asks Ash If he's alright with a concerned tone of voice.

*''[[XY104|A Windswept Encounter!]]''
:*While Ash is warning his {{AP|Noibat}} not to venture too far away, Serena is seen looking fondly at Ash.
:*When Breloom challenges Noibat to a one-on-one battle, deciding to put Floette at stake, Serena is very worried and tells Ash to stop them.

*''[[XY105|Party Dancecapades!]]''
:*When Serena receives mail about the dance party, she looks at Ash and blushes when she finds out that all {{pkmn|Performer}}s attending must have a male partner.
:*It is proposed that Clemont becomes Serena's dancing partner (due to [[Clemont's Bunnelby]] being [[Serena's Eevee]]'s dance partner). Though she accepts for Eevee's sake, Serena is visibly reluctant and sighs in disappointment while glancing at Ash.
:*When Ash and his friends meet up with Miette again, Serena is shown to be shocked when Miette grabs Ash's hands and asks him to be her partner, than freaks out even more when Ash accepts.
:*When Miette looks at Serena and winks while holding Ash's hand, Serena seems upset and determined.
:*When Ash is following Miette around with a pile of dresses, Serena looks at him and sighs.
:*During the rotation dance, Serena constantly glances at Ash, blushing while doing so.
:*Serena is blushing and watching in slow-motion as Ash extends his arm towards her, and is extremely shocked, disappointed, and upset when the rotation dance ends without her and Ash dancing.
:*Before the battle starts, both Serena and Ash encourage each other. After Ash congratulates Serena, she thanks him.

*''[[XY106|A Meeting of Two Journeys!]]''
:*When Ash slides down a nearby lamp post and chases after Team Rocket, Serena calls out to him in worry.
:*When Ash reunites with his friends, Serena asks Ash if he is okay with concerned tone of voice.

*''[[XY109|Master Class Choices!]]''
:*Twice near the beginning of the episode, Serena is visibly nervous about the upcoming Showcase, but perks up after Ash encourages her.
:*When Sylveon becomes anxious and Serena fails to motivate her with words, Serena remembers Ash's advice regarding food and offers a Poké Puff to Sylveon in order to cheer her up.

*''[[XY110|An Electrifying Rage!]]''
:*When Ash, Noibat, and Hawlucha are separated from Serena, Clemont, and Bonnie in a cave, Serena becomes extremely worried about Ash.
:*When Clemont, Bonnie, and Serena see Ash safe in [[Joule Town]], Serena is the first to call out his name.

*''[[XY112|Master Class is in Session!]]''
:*When Miette asks Ash who he would cheer for if she and Serena were opponents, Serena starts blushing in the background.
:*When Miette asks Serena if they've progressed, Serena gets annoyed and pulls her away to start chewing her out.

*''[[XY113|Performing a Pathway to the Future!]]''
:*When Palermo asks Serena to withdraw from the finals, Serena recalls she and her Pokémon have come this far, to live this dream they are hoping to achieve and says Ash's words, she does not want to give up until the end.
:*As Serena's rivals split up after the Master Class Showcase, Miette teases Serena concerning her relationship with Ash, causing Serena to blush, before leaving.
:*Serena is later seen contemplating her future alone, when Ash finds her. Ash then encourages her, which resolves her confusion. As Ash encourages Serena, she is staring at him in awe, admiring his optimism and is impressed by it.
:*When explaining why she turned down [[Palermo]]'s offer to be under her tutelage, one of the reasons Serena stated was that she wished to continue her journey with Ash.
*''[[XY115|Battling at Full Volume!]]''
:*When Ash gets wet, Serena tosses him a towel, worried that he would catch a cold.
:*When Ash emerges from his tent and falls in her arms Serena is shown to be blushing, which intensifies when he tells her "Now's the time". When Ash holds her hand, Serena blushes even harder and imagines he's about to say "Love" or "I love you".
:*When Ash collapses, Serena's eyes tear up and she becomes extremely worried about him.
:*While Serena is placing a washrag on Ash's head her hand lingers around his face.
:*When {{OBP|Jimmy|XY115}} appears and asks for a battle, Serena continually keeps trying to make sure Ash isn't disturbed in concern for his health.
:*Serena wears Ash's clothes and decides to battle in his place because she does not want him to hurt himself.
:*When Spike uses Dig to evade Pikachu's Thunderbolt, Serena begins to panic, but resolves her problem remembering [[XY067|what Ash would do in this situation]] and comments that she watches Ash's battles more closely than anybody else.
:*During her battle Serena becomes extremely excited when she realizes she "can" battle with Pikachu just like Ash can.
:*When Bonnie shouts over to Serena and begins to ask why she's wearing Ash's clothes, Serena blushes and screams to prevent her cover being blown and intensely blushes when Bonnie teases her about her dressing up as Ash, wishing her luck and calling her "Ash".
:*When Ash steps in against Team Rocket Serena asks Ash "If he's alright" with a concerned tone of voice and is staring in awe at Ash while he's stretching after stopping Team Rocket.

*''[[XY116|The Synchronicity Test!]]''
:*When Ash fainted during the battle against [[Alain]], Serena calls his name in worry and rushes to check if he's okay.

*''[[XY117|Making Friends and Influencing Villains!]]''
:*After Ash was hit in the head Serena hands his hat back to him and asks if he's okay with a concerned tone of voice.
:*After Ash says he's hungry Serena offers Ash a pastry. Ash is also the only one Serena offers one to.
:*When the gang finds Ash, Serena calls out to him.

*''[[XY118|Championing a Research Battle!]]''
:*When Ash and Greninja are training, Serena is taking care of Ash's Pikachu.
:*Serena worries about Ash doing anything reckless during his training with Greninja but immediately perks up upon seeing Ash and Greninja approaching the finish line and is the only one who cheers for Ash.
:*When Ash finishes his race with Greninja, Serena hands Ash her water bottle so Ash can have a drink.
:*When Ash faints during the battle with [[Diantha]], Serena calls out to him in worry and is the first to run over and check on him.
:*When Ash tells Greninja they have to become stronger to control the power, as well as to win in the Snowbelle City's Gym, Serena is sure he will win.

*''[[XY119|A Full-Strength Battle Surprise!]]''
:*When Ash's friends approach him after he defeated his opponent, Serena encourages Ash and tells she knows he will win his Gym Badge.
:*When Ash's says he will be using Greninja in the Gym battle. Serena happily looks at Ash and comments on how he and Greninja will do well in the Gym battle due to them doing so well in the battle against Diantha.

*''[[XY120|All Hail the Ice Battlefield!]]''
:*At the beginning of the episode, Serena encourages Ash to win his Gym match.
:*When Ash starts struggling during his battle with [[Wulfric]], Serena is shown growing more worried about Ash.
:*After Avalugg defeats Ash-Greninja, Ash faints, there is a close-up on Serena's worried face.
:*Later that evening when Ash leaves, Serena tries to stop him and asks where he's going with a concerned tone of voice.
:*The following morning when Bonnie asks where Ash is, Serena is shown to be extremely upset and worried about Ash, who still hadn't returned.

*''[[XY121|Seeing the Forest for the Trees!]]''
:*At the beginning of the episode, Serena takes it upon herself to go find Ash and talk to him.
:*When Serena finds Ash, she tries to cheer Ash up and encourage him, reminding him of how he helped her with her goal and tries to comfort Ash, pointing out he can talk to her about anything that troubles him because she will always be there for him.
:*After Ash first yells at Serena that she doesn't understand how he's feeling there's a moment on silence between the two before the camera cuts to Serena looking at Ash with a visibly hurt expression on her face, than after Ash tells her to just leave him alone she throws a snowball at Ash and is shown to be on the verge of crying, pointing out this isn't the Ash she knows, since the "real" Ash is usually very optimistic, works hard to do his best, acts like a leader and never gives up until the end, telling Ash is not himself.
:*When Serena throws two more snowballs at Ash before she left, she had begun crying and was on the verge to confessing her feelings for him.
:*Serena is shown to be upset and angry with Ash after he yelled at her.
:*When it starts to snow, Serena grows concerned for Ash and heads off to find him even though she is still mad at him for yelling at her.
:*During the blizzard while searching for Ash, Serena is shown to be extremely worried and concerned about Ash when they fail to find him.
:*After being forced to take a break from searching for Ash, Serena is wishing for Ash to be safe and after Bonnie comforts her, she tells Clemont and Bonnie about her argument with Ash telling them she regrets losing her temper and saying horrible things to him and got mad at Ash for him not being the person she admires. While telling the siblings this the camera cuts to her eyes showing she's on the verge of crying again.
:*When Ash finds his way back to the others, Serena is shown to be extremely relieved when she sees Ash is alright.
:*After Ash apologizes to Serena for the way he acted to her, Serena starts smiling with a light blush on her face and her hand moves in front of her heart briefly.

*''[[XY122|A Real Icebreaker!]]''
:*Before the Gym battle rematch against Wulfric, Serena is shown to be worried about Ash and whispers his name in concern.
:*Serena begins to smile during the Gym match as she realizes that the Ash she knows is back.
:*When Ash once again experiences pain from Ash-Greninja, Serena is shown to be growing worried about Ash.
:*When Mega Abomasnow's Ice Punch freezes Greninja's Water Suriken and Ash's friends comment that the Mega Evolution has increased Abomasnow's power, Serena shows confidence in Ash and is sure he will win.
:*When the group runs over to Ash after the Gym battle Serena is shown to be happy for Ash's victory. She then whispers Ash's name but appears to not know what to say to Ash next.
:*At the end of Ash's Gym match, Serena looks at Ash and says to herself, "This is the Ash I know, the Ash that I admire."
:*When Ash reaches his arm out to Serena for a fist-bump Serena smiles at Ash and returns the gesture.

*''[[XY125|A League of His Own!]]''
:*Before Ash and Serena reunite with Clemont and Bonnie. Serena asks Ash to register for the League or he will be late.
:*When [[Everett]] challenges Ash to a battle before the league, Serena grabs Ash's arm to stop him from battling, so that he wouldn't miss registering for the [[Lumiose Conference]].
:*As the gang walks away from Everett, Serena is seen holding hands with Ash as she leads him away.
:*Serena reminds Ash that his battle is up next and tells him he should get ready and encourages him one more time and tells him good luck before he leaves.
:*When Ash is late for his first battle, Serena is shown to be worried and whispers his name in concern. Later when Ash arrives Serena puts her hands over her heart in relief.
:*After Ash manages to arrive to the battlefield before the referee can disqualify him, he declares his intentions to win the Kalos League than the camera cuts to Serena who's smiling down at Ash with a slight blush on her face.
:*After Ash-Greninja defeated Altaria, Serena is happy and cheers for Ash.

*''[[XY127|Analysis Versus Passion!]]''
:*While Ash seems to be having trouble, and his friends worry that the battle is proceeding exactly as Sawyer has planned it, Serena says she believes in Ash and that he isn't going to lose since nobody can imitate him.

*''[[XY128|A Riveting Rivalry!]]''
:*During Pikachu and Aegislash battle, Serena worries about Ash and is relieved when Pikachu wins.
:*During Ash's battle, while the others are commenting about how Ash will have problems and may not win, Serena is shown to be staring down at Ash and saying to herself: "You can win Ash. I believe in you".
:*As Serena cheers Ash on, she can be seen blushing.
:*When Sawyer sends out his final Pokémon, Ash's friends comment that it will be difficult to defeat Mega Sceptile. Serena becomes extremely worried and tells Ash to be careful.
:*As the battle intensifies, Serena becomes increasingly worried.
:*When Ash's friends worry about him losing the battle due to the vines manage to keep Greninja from advancing on Sceptile. Serena tells them Ash won't lose because he won't give up until the end.
:*After Ash wins his battle against Sawyer and advances to the final round, Serena blushes while her eyes glisten with tears of joy.

*''[[XY130|Finals Not for the Faint-Hearted!]]''
:*During Ash's battle, Serena is shown to be cheering for Ash the loudest, and consistently has confidence in him winning.
:*When Alain sends his Tyranitar to battle Ash's Pikachu, Clemont and Sawyer note Alain wants to stop Pikachu's vision and speed, Serena has confidence in Ash and tells them he will be fine.
:*Each time Ash wins, Serena is the only one who stands up as she cheers for him.
:*After Weavile defeated Noivern, Serena says Ash will be fine, she knows Hawlucha will avenge Noivern.
:*While the battlefield goes to change, Clemont states Ash never won against Alain, surprising the others. Serena, however, knows Ash is much stronger now than he was in the past.
:*Before the episode ends, Serena is praying for Ash to win telling him and Pikachu to "hang in there"

*''[[XY131|Down To the Fiery Finish!]]''
:*During Ash's battle Serena repeatedly assures everyone Ash will win and maintain her confidence in him.
:*When the battle between Ash and Alain begins to intensify the camera zooms in on Serena having an increasingly more worried expression for Ash as he slowly loses his advantage.
:*After Goodra is defeated by Bisharp, the camera focuses on Serena looking worried and silently calling out to Ash.
:* Serena, despite being disappointed, expresses how proud of Ash she is being happy to see he's smiling and did the best he could in his battle, despite losing to Alain while the rest of their friends were either expressing their disappointment at Ash's defeat or complimenting the battle.

*''[[XY132|A Towering Takeover!]]''
:*Before Ash and Alain leave to find the source of the roots attacking [[Lumiose City]], Serena tells Ash to be very careful.

*''[[XY135|Rocking Kalos Defenses!]]''
:*After Ash finds Clemont in Lumiose Gym, she calls him on his walkie-talkie so Professor Sycamore and {{Steven}} could tell him where [[Team Flare]]'s [[Giant Rock]] is heading. After sending him their location and telling him to come to it, she tells him to be very careful with a worried look, despite Clemont and Alain also being with him.
:*After Ash assures everyone that they will stop [[Lysandre]] and save [[Chespie]], Serena's expression softens and she happily tells him that they will be waiting for him.
:*After Braixen is saved by [[Alain's Charizard|Charizard]], she is relieved to see Ash.

*''[[XY136|Forming a More Perfect Union!]]''
:*After Ash comes out of the Giant Rock, Serena's relieved to see him safe and mentions him specifically, despite Pikachu, Greninja, Alain, and Chespie being with him.

*''[[XY137|Battling With a Clean Slate!]]''
:*After Serena tells the group that she's hesistant on what she wants to do next in her journey, Ash assures her that she will be okay and he believes in her when deciding on the next step for her journey which causes Serena's eyes light up considerably thanks him for his support.

*''[[XY138|The First Day of the Rest of Your Life!]]''
:*After Clemont and Bonnie decide to go back to the Lumiose Gym, Ash asks Serena what she plans on doing and to hang out with him around Lumiose City which causes her to blush.
:*After Ash suggest that he and Serena have a battle she blushes intensely when he holds her hand and leads her to the battlefield.
:*After her battle with Ash she sincerely thanks him for always supporting her.
:*Serena spent much of the episode depressed and unsure of what her next step would be on her journey, but after her battle with Ash and his encouragement she resolves her confusion.

*''[[XY139|Facing the Needs of the Many!]]''
:*As Ash is getting ready to jump from the mountain in order to get to [[Xerosic]]'s aircraft, Serena takes his hand and says she is coming with him.

*''[[XY140|Till We Compete Again!]]''
:*When Ash's mom tells the gang that she'd love to have them come to Pallet Town for dinner Serena starts blushing.
:*While the group is eating breakfast before they leave to go to the airport, they notice Bonnie looking sad and after she halfheartedly assures the others she's fine, Ash and Serena look at each other with a worried expression for Bonnie.
:*Before going down the escalator Serena tells Ash that he is the kind of person she wants to be and that she's going to get better for him the next time they meet and winks at him while telling him that she will be a more mature woman when he next sees her.
:*As Serena is going down the escalator, leaving the group, she turns around, asks Ash for one last moment, runs back up to him and kisses him and is shown blushing strongly while being carried down the escalator after kissing Ash, then her eyes start glimmering and she thanks him for letting her kiss him and for all he's done for her.
:*After Serena arrives in Hoenn she reflects on her adventures with Ash in Kalos all the while remembering him assuring her she'll be fine and he has faith that she'll be great.

*[[JN105]]
:*Throughout the episode, Serena quotes various lines Ash said to her when giving advice to [[Chloe]].
:*Serena is caught off guard by the boat's horn, looking surprised and disappointed when she realizes Ash will shortly be leaving.
:*When Serena is reaffirming her goals to Ash from afar, her eyes start glimmering.
:*Serena tells Ash that she'll be rooting for him in the [[World Coronation Series]].
:*Serena stays on the dock to watch Ash depart until it gets too far away to see. As she does this, she smiles with a longing expression.

===Ash's hints===
*''[[XY005|A Blustery Santalune Gym Battle!]]''
:*After Serena returns Ash's backpack to him, he apologizes to her because he was focused on the battle that he didn't notice her.

*''[[XY006|Battling on Thin Ice!]]''
:*Ash apologizes to Serena because she is visibly disappointed when he says that he doesn't remember her specifically.
:*When Serena encourages Ash who is having trouble in his training. Ash thanks Serena and says her encouragement helped him.
:*Ash and Serena have a personal conversation, Serena says that she doesn't know what she is going to do, Ash encourages her that she should take her time to find her own goal.

*''[[XY007|Giving Chase at the Rhyhorn Race!]]''
:*In the beginning of the episode, after Serena says she doesn't know what she is going to do, Ash asks her to travel with them, saying that it was because of her that he won the [[Bug Badge]] and that it would be nice if she stayed with them. Ash seems more excited than Clemont and Bonnie when Serena accepts the invitation. This is the first time that Ash has asked a female [[Ash's friends|companion]] to travel with him. It can also be noted that when Ash asked Serena to travel with him, he appears to be nervous, which is shown in his voice and when he scratches his cheek; cheek scratching is a classic anime symbol for nervousness.
:*In a flashback of when Ash and Serena first met as children, Serena hurts her knee. Ash arrives, asks if she is all right, takes out a handkerchief upon seeing her injury, and bandages it up for her. Serena whines that she still can't stand up, Ash tells her "Don't give up till its over". Then, he holds out his hand and when she hesitates to take it, he grabs her hand and pulls her up, quickly taking her by surprise and making her fall into his arms in a hug. It is noted that during the hug, it is Serena who pulls away and not him. Afterwards, he holds her hand and helps her find her way back to the camp.
:*After the flashback, Ash finally remembers Serena as "the girl with the straw hat." After Serena pouts for not recognizing her right away, he apologizes.
:*Ash is impressed by Serena's bond with Rhyhorn and says she is amazing and happily chooses the Rhyhorn that Serena suggest he should pick.
:*After learning that Serena took Rhyhorn racing lessons from her mother, he asks her to train him so he can participate.
:*Ash smiles nervously when Serena states that the Rhyhorn racing outfit fits him well.
:*When Serena tries to make Rhyhorn run, she falls to the ground, Ash is the only one to call out her name in worry.
:*After receiving cookies from Serena, Ash seems to enjoy them a lot.

*''[[XY010|Mega-Mega Meowth Madness!]]''
:*It can be noted that Ash checks on Serena first and asks if she was okay instead of checking on Bonnie or Professor Sycamore.

*''[[XY011|The Bamboozling Forest!]]''
:*As the group is looking for {{p|Pangoro}}'s bamboo leaf, there is a scene where Ash helps Serena cross a small river by holding her hand. The scene only shows Ash and Serena getting across and not the others.

*''[[XY012|To Catch a Pokémon Smuggler!]]''
:*When Ash tells [[Dolan]] to let everyone out of the net, he explicitly mentions Serena, but not Pikachu, Clemont or Bonnie, calling them "the others".

*''[[XY016|A Jolting Switcheroo!]]''
:*When Dedenne is missing and the group is searching, Serena screams and Ash is the only one who asks her if she is all right.

*''[[XY018|Awakening the Sleeping Giant!]]''
:*When everyone is holding each other's ears from {{p|Snorlax}}'s snoring, Ash is holding Serena's ears.

*''[[XY021|A PokéVision of Things to Come!]]''
:*When Serena is in her {{p|Fennekin}} outfit, Ash is seen to be blankly staring at her and Fennekin, possibly out of attraction. His is the only face out of everyone present (an audience including Bonnie, Clemont, {{TP|Clemont|Dedenne}}, Froakie, Fletchling and Pikachu) that has a different expression than the others. It is also worth noting that the camera focuses on just Ash's face at first, showing everyone else a few seconds later.
:*Ash takes Serena's advice when she said he need to take a break, even though he wanted to continue his training.
:*When Serena combs Fennekin, the group notice Fennekin's close attention to its own cleanliness, Ash says that Serena and Fennekin make a great team because her Pokémon is similar to her.
:*As Serena runs to save Fennekin, Ash is the only one who calls out to her and helps her battling Team Rocket, while Clemont and Bonnie do nothing.
:*When Serena asks Ash what he thinks of her video, he happily tells her that it was really good.

*''[[XY022|Going for the Gold!]]''
:*After Ash notices that Serena doesn't know how to fish he offers to teach her. Ash spoke up to show Serena how to fish.
:*When Serena fish a Corsola and is impressed by its beauty, Ash suggest her to catch it.
:*After seeing the golden {{p|Magikarp}} for real, Ash high fived with Serena.

*''[[XY026|A Battle By Any Other Name!]]''
:*When Serena shows her fresh-baked Poké Puffs to the group, Ash tries some and compliments them while blushing and telling Serena, "I've never eaten such delicious sweets before!"
:*When Miette is announced as a finalist for the Poké Puff contest her and Serena entered, Ash initially gives Miette a congratulatory look but upon seeing her brag about it to Serena, Ash immediately gives Miette a disapproving glare.
:*Upon hearing Serena is also a finalist in the Poké Puff competition, Ash immediately congratulates Serena.
:*When the team goes out to the forest to looks for berries for the Poké Puff competition, Ash expresses concern for Serena when she runs off by herself.
:*When the group hears Serena screaming from a distance, Ash calls out her name and runs after her.
:*Ash is the first person to find Serena, helps her with the angry Pokémon and ask if she's all right.

*''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''
:*When Serena and Bonnie manage to get one slice of chocolate cake, Ash is going to eat it and Serena stops him because it is for all of them, he agrees with Serena and does what she says, even though he wanted to eat all by himself.

*''[[XY031|The Cave of Trials!]]''
:*When the group is going to enter the cave, Ash tells Serena that she should stay behind him because it is dangerous.

*''[[XY032|The Aura Storm!]]''
:*After Serena finds where Pomace Mountain is, Ash thanks her.

*''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]''
:*When Ash gets lost in Reflection Cave, he calls out for Serena first.
:*When Ash exits Reflection Cave and comes across [[Mirror Serena]], he could immediately sense a difference between her and the real Serena by the way she spoke.
:*After [[Mirror Clemont]] finishes telling Ash and the others about the alternative worlds, Ash tells them that the Clemont, Serena, and [[Mirror Bonnie|Bonnie]] standing before him aren't the same people that he knows, and while telling the group this he mentions Serena specifically while looking directly at Mirror Serena.
:*When the Mirror Dimension is splitting apart, Ash makes a great leap across the chasm and grabs on to Serena's hand instead of calling upon one of his Pokémon or using Clemont's {{p|Aipom}} arm.

*''[[XY039|Summer of Discovery!]]''
:*As Clemont asks Ash and Serena if they remind the time they first met in a camp, Ash promises Serena that this will also be a great experience, which she enthusiastically agrees.

*''[[XY040|Day Three Blockbusters!]]''
:*When Team Froakie and Team Squirtle are running, Ash tells Serena that they are going to win, but not Clemont and Bonnie even though they are in the same team.
:*When Serena sees a perfect area to make the Pokévision, Ash calls after her in a worried tone when she runs off by herself.
:*When Serena begins to fall down a cliff, Ash runs after her and grabs her hand to try to stop her from falling, but ends up falling down with her in the process. After they both fall down the cliff, Ash asks Serena if she's okay.
:*After Ash returns Serena's hat to her, he nervously chuckles and scratches his nose.
:*When Serena sees that Ash has twisted his ankle and blames herself, he keeps reassuring her that he's okay. When Serena nurses Ash's foot with a wet cloth, he thanks her.
:*As Serena admires Pikachu's will to save Ash, Ash tells her that they always work together to overcome difficult situations while he nervously scratches his nose.
:*When Serena is feeding her Fennekin, the camera focuses on Ash, who is staring at her and smiling.
:*When Serena asks what she wants to do as her dream, Ash encourages her that she will find it together with Fennekin.

*''[[XY042|Battling into the Hall of Fame!]]''
:*When Fennekin combines Hidden Power with Pikachu's Electro Ball to form a battle combo move, Ash compliments Serena for her great idea.
:*After Team Froakie won a place at the Hall of Fame, Serena is sad because her Fennekin lost in the battle. Ash cheers her up telling her that "it's just the begining, it may have lost today but it will get you stronger".

*''[[XY044|Showdown at the Shalour Gym!]]''
:*When Ash's rhythm battling strategy seems to be failing against Korrina, he turns to look at Serena in the middle of the battle and remembers her words from the [[XY043|previous day]]'s training, which motivates him and gives him an idea that helps him win the battle.

*''[[XY047|Dreaming a Performer's Dream!]]''
:*After Serena tells her friends that she wants to be a Pokémon Performer, which is why she wants to catch Pancham. Ash is glad that Serena has found what she wants to do as her dream.
:*When Serena was trying to protect Pancham from Jessie and Pumpkaboo's Shadow Ball attacks, Ash is the only one yelling her name in worry.
:*When Serena battles Pancham, Ash is carrying Serena's bag for her.
:*When Serena is trying to catch Pancham, Ash supports her. When Serena's Poké Ball fails the first time, Ash tells her that she should not give up.

*''[[XY048|A Campus Reunion!]]''
:*When {{TP|Clemont|Luxio}} uses {{m|Swift}}, Ash moves in front of Serena in a defensive position.

*''[[XY049|Bonnie for the Defense!]]''
:*When the group decide to bring Lapras back to the sea and Serena finds a way that allows them go there, Ash thanks her.

*''[[XY050|Pathways to Performance Partnering!]]''
:*When Serena is going to start her performance, Ash wishes good luck to her and praises her after Serena finished her performance, Ash says that it was awesome.
:*When Team Rocket throws a smoke bomb, Ash and Serena turn towards each other and cover both of their heads with their arms to protect each other.

*''[[XY052|A Stealthy Challenge!]]''
:*When Serena falls down the cliff with Clemont, Ash is the only one that calls out to her.
:*When Sanpei tells Ash to leave, he refuses and tells Sanpei to fight together and find "Serena and the others", Serena is mentioned first and also the only one mentioned by name.

*''[[XY053|A Race for Home!]]''
:*Ash praises Serena, saying it was thanks to her he learned how to ride a Rhyhorn.
:*When Grace brings Ash and Serena together, they look at each other with embarrassment.
:*After the practice, Serena looks sad and Ash is the only one that notices and asks if she is okay.
:*When Grace talks about Serena not helping with cooking, Ash speaks up and compliments Serena's baking skills.
:*During lunch, Serena's mom asks Serena to practice Rhyhorn racing after lunch in order to prepare for her future as a Rhyhorn racer. Ash notices that it isn't Serena's true goal and begins to tell Grace that Serena wants to be a Pokémon Performer.
:*When everyone goes to practice, Serena stops and Ash asks if she is all right after he sees she is sad.
:*After Ash and Serena defeated Team Rocket, Ash praises Serena's Rhyhorn racing skills.
:*When Grace decides Serena should go back home to train as a professional Rhyhorn racer, Ash almost tells that Serena wants to be a Pokémon Performer and looks sad when she stops him.
:*During the race, Ash cheers on Serena. Ash is excited and cheers loudly for Serena when she wins the race.
:*After Serena won the race against her mother, Ash congratulates Serena and tells her to keep doing their best together.

*''[[XY054|Facing the Grand Design!]]''
:*When the group see a {{p|Malamar}} and remember their previous encounter with it, Ash puts his arm out in front of Serena to protect her.
:*When a truck is driving recklessly and almost hits them, Ash pushes Serena away from the road so she does not get hit. This is significant because both Clemont and Bonnie are closer to the road at the time and are therefore in even more danger of being hit by the truck.

*''[[XY056|One for the Goomy!]]''
:*When the group is separated, Ash is calling out for Serena only, despite others like Bonnie and Goomy being lost as well.
:*Ash sends out his Fletchinder to find "Serena and the others", Serena is the only one mentioned by name.
:*Ash isn't mad at Serena when she tells him that Goomy got lost when she was fighting Team Rocket.

*''[[XY058|The Green, Green Grass Types of Home! ]]''
:*After Ash defeats Ramos and wins his fourth Kalos Gym Badge, he walks up to Serena to remind her of Showcase Debut and gives Serena a boost of encouragement before the episode ends.

*''[[XY059|Under the Pledging Tree!]]''
:*After Serena registers for the Showcase, she tells the group that she still feels she needs some practice, Ash encourages her to go on and assures her that she will be fine.
:*When Ash is looking for gifts, he asks for Serena's opinion about what he should give his Pokémon as a gift.
:*Thanks to a suggestion from Serena, Ash comes up with what to get for his Pokémon as a gift.
:*When Ash puts down his heavy bag of berries, he looks at Serena and laughs nervously.
:*Ash wins a blue ribbon for being a significant number rider on the Coumarine Monorail. At the end of the episode, he gives it to Serena as his way of saying thanks for her help, scratching his nose nervously.

*''[[XY060|A Showcase Debut!]]''
:*After Serena shows the group her performance dress Ash is the first one to stand up and takes a few steps forward to give her more encouragement before they head to the Showcase Theatre.
:*When Monsieur Pierre announces that the theme for the first round will be Pokémon Styling, Ash is sure that Serena is going to win. Ash is cheering loudly for Serena when she is in the runway.
:*In a flashback of Serena's experiences with Fennekin, when she is looking in the mirror, Ash is looking at her.
:*When Clemont is wondering if Serena is okay after her loss in the Pokemon Showcase, Ash assures him that she will be fine because she is strong.
:*When Bonnie and Clemont notice that Serena is missing, Ash volunteers to go find her.
:*When the group sees Serena's new hairstyle for the first time, Ash is the only one who has a positive reaction. Clemont asks what happened and Bonnie complains that she preferred Serena's long hair.
:*Ash comments that the blue ribbon he gave Serena in the previous episode looked great on her.

*''[[XY064|Battling with Elegance And a Big Smile!]]''
:*When Serena is training for her next Showcase, Ash is cheering her on saying their practice is starting to pay off.
:*After Serena yells at Fennekin and Pancham for fighting during their performance practice Ash is the only one who tries to calm her down. When Serena tells everyone she wants to be alone and think, Ash gives her a double take reaction before looking worried after she runs away.
:*While Serena is still gone, Ash notices Pancham and Fennekin are worried about Serena while waiting for her to comeback to which Ash cheers them up and assures them that she'll comeback. When Serena returns, Ash tells them to express their apologies and tells Serena how Fennekin and Pancham were sad and worried about her.
:*After Ariana challenges Serena to a [[Double Battle]], Ash is the one who gives Serena enough encouragement to accept the challenge. When Ariana calls off the battle Ash is annoyed.
:*At the end, when the group is running Ash and Serena are looking at each other.

*''[[XY065|Good Friends, Great Training!]]''
:*When Team Rocket's APC unit finds Ash, Serena and Pikachu. Ash puts his arm out in front of Serena to protect her.

*''[[XY067|The Moment of Lumiose Truth!]]''
:*After Serena congratulates Ash, he thanks her.

*''[[XY071|So You're Having a Bad Day!]]''
:*While searching, Ash calls out for Serena first.
:*Both Ash and Serena are relieved to see each other when they reunite.
:*Ash is happy when Serena tells him that his Frogadier protected her.

*''[[XY073|A Fashionable Battle!]]''
:*Serena keeps suggesting that they visit the shop to check some outfits while Ash consistently agrees. It is atypical of Ash to want to visit a clothing shop, given his established personality.
:*When Serena and Bonnie are looking dresses, Ash comments he is happy that Serena is having fun.
:*When Serena appears on stage in a furisode outfit, Ash is shown to be staring at her in awe.

*''[[XY077|A Relay in the Sky!]]''
:*After Ash decided to enter the Pokémon Sky Relay, seeing that Serena is worried about him, he assures her that he will be okay.
:*After Team Rocket's ruse is exposed and they're sent blasting off and Ash arrives at the final checkpoint, Serena is riding in the hot air balloon with him to the finish line opposed to Clemont and Bonnie who walked back to the starting area from the 1st checkpoint.
:*After Noibat narrowly loses in the Sky Relay, Ash and Serena cheer him up telling him they both thought he did amazing in the race, despite coming in 2nd place.

*''[[XY080|Performing with Fiery Charm!]]''
:*Ash states that Serena is amazing after trying her Poké Puffs.
:*Ash appears to be more excited when Serena appears on the stage and later greatly cheers Serena when she shows confidence in not losing the Showcase.
:*Ash is excited and says Serena is amazing when she wins the theme performance. He says he would like to eat Serena's Poké Puffs.
:*While the group is watching Miette perform and praise her for the teamwork she has with her Pokémon, Bonnie states Serena and her Pokémon will be just as good, than the camera cuts to Ash who agrees with her know how hard she's work to get to the performance round.
:*When Ash, Clemont, and Bonnie are voting for Serena, Ash noticeably raises his PokéLume higher than the others.
:*Ash is shown congratulating Serena after the Showcase and compliments her on her dress.

*''[[XY083|Over the Mountain of Snow!]]''
:*When the group is deciding the pairs needed to ride on the Mamoswine, Ash happily picks Serena to ride with him.
:*After Ash attempts to direct Mamoswine to climb but end up sliding back down. Ash only asks Serena if she is okay, but not Pikachu.
:*When Serena volunteered to switch spots with Ash, he had high hopes for her to get up the slope.
:*While crossing the bridge in the snowy mountains, a blast of icy wind frightens Serena, Ash holds on to her shoulders and comforts her. He then praises her once they are safely across the bridge.
:*When the group splits up to find the herbs needed, Ash again quickly picks Serena to be his partner.
:*Ash compliments Serena when she finds the herb that they were looking for.

*''[[XY084|Adventures in Running Errands!]]''
:*When Serena asks Ash what he thinks of her nurse outfit, Ash tells her it suits her well.

*''[[XY085|Mending a Broken Spirit!]]''
:*When Serena is battling Woodward, Ash encourages Serena and says she will be fine.

*''[[XY086|A Legendary Photo Op!]]''
:*Ash apologizes to Serena when he sees how worried she was about him.

*''[[XY089|A Frolicking Find in the Flowers!]]''
:*When Serena finds out that the next Pokémon Showcase will also be held at Anistar City, she says she has a lot of training to do to prepare for her Showcase, Ash encourages her.
:*When the tea is ready, Ash only calls Serena to join in.
:*When Serena and Bonnie are telling the others about Eevee, Ash immediately blames himself for Serena not being able to approach Eevee and appears almost apologetic about it to Serena, than suggests that the group would go look for it after their break.
:*When Serena dives to catch Eevee after Jessie commanded {{TP|Jessie|Gourgeist}} to use {{m|Seed Bomb}}, Ash is the only one who yells out Serena's name in worry.
:*When Serena was trying to protect Eevee from Jessie and another one of Gourgeist's Seed Bomb attacks, Ash, once again is the only one to yell her name in worry. Ash helps Serena battling Team Rocket.
:*At the end of the episode, Ash congratulates Serena for catching Eevee.

*''[[XY090|Tag Team Battle Inspiration!]]''
:*After meeting up with {{an|Tierno}} and Shauna, Ash and Tierno talk about the Anistar City gym, while Shauna comments on Ash's optimism and ask Serena if that's why she likes Ash which flusters Serena. After Serena gives Shauna nervous response, Ash overhears them talking about him and ask Serena to repeat what she said to Shauna.
:*During the tag battle with Tierno against Serena and Shauna, Ash quickly notices Serena change in demeanor. Upon Serena apologizing the others for calling off the battle she requested for the reason of her wanting to prepare for her upcoming Showcase since she got an idea from the battle, Ash tells her he doesn't mind. When this happened [[XY064|in a previous episode]], Ash appeared to be somewhat annoyed.

*''[[XY091|A Performance Pop Quiz!]]''
:*In the beginning of the episode, Ash is the only one who encourages Serena and wishes her good luck before she leaves and assures Serena that he will watch over Eevee while she performs.
:*After Serena answers correctly the Pokémon Quiz, there is a close-up on Ash's happy face.
:*After Eevee is startled by Jessie's performance and runs away, Ash immediately apologizes to Serena for losing sight of her.
:*When Serena is about to search for Eevee, Ash was the first to offer to look himself, than after Serena finds Eevee, Ash assures her he will keep a closer eye on her.
:*Ash is excited and cheers loudly for Serena when she wins the Pokémon Showcase.
:*Ash congratulates Serena after the Showcase and compliments her on her performance.

*''[[XY094|From A to Z!]]''
:*When Serena informs Bonnie of the Terminus Cave and Squishy begins to attack her guide book and bounce on it angrily. Ash is the only one who tries to get it to stop jumping on Serena's guide book.

*''[[XY101|A Dancing Debut!]]''
:*Ash appears to be more excited after Serena's theme performance than Bonnie and Clemont and cheers for Serena much louder than Bonnie and Clemont.
:*When Ash, Clemont, and Bonnie are voting for Serena after her theme performance Ash raising his Pokélume a noticeable amount of time before Bonnie and Clemont do.
:*During Serena's performance Ash is praising her, while Clemont is quiet, and Bonnie is praising Eevee.
:*After Serena's loss in the Pokémon Showcase, Ash is the only one who cheers up Serena and Eevee.

*''[[XY105|Party Dancecapades!]]''
:*Before the battle starts, both Ash and Serena encourage each other.
:*After the battle, Ash congratulates Serena and compliments her on her battling skills.

*''[[XY109|Master Class Choices!]]''
:*Twice near the beginning of the episode, Ash offers Serena encouragement when he sees how nervous she is and encourages Serena and tells her Grace's words, "Go for broke!".
:*Ash seems more excited than Clemont and Bonnie and praises Serena more during her performance, cheering loudly for her when she wins.
:*When Bonnie comments that Serena and her Pokemon look happy during the Freestyle, Ash says that makes him feel happy too.
:*Ash is also the first one who shouts her name and congratulates her after she wins the Showcase.
:*While Ash, Serena, Clemont, and Bonnie are celebrating Serena's showcase victory Ash is shown to be winking at her.
:*When Serena learns the location of the Master Class and sees it is a away from Snowbelle City, Ash puts his hand on her shoulder and assures her that he will put off his eighth Gym battle until after her performance.

*''[[XY110|An Electrifying Rage!]]''
:*When the group decides to split up to get to town, Ash calls out to Serena to be careful with a serious and concerned tone of voice.
:*After delivering the medicine to the village when Ash tells Pikachu lets go find "Serena and the others" Serena is mentioned first and also the only one mentioned by name.

*''[[XY111|Unlocking Some Respect!]]''
:*When Serena wants to go see an exhibit, Ash accepts to this, enthusiastically as well.
:*When Serena learned the exhibition was closed for the night and became disappointed, Ash suggests they stay at the hotel for the night so she can see it first thing in the morning.

*''[[XY112|Master Class is in Session!]]''
:*When Miette asks Ash who he will support if there is a contest between her and Serena, he tells her that he will definitely cheer for Serena.
:*After Clemont comments that the tournament has much more attention than the local Showcases, Ash assures his friends that Serena will be fine and whispers to himself for her to do her best.
:*When Aria enters the stage, Ash says it is amazing that Serena trained so hard in order to defeat her.
:*Ash seems to support Serena greatly when she came on.
:*During Serena's Freestyle, Ash cheers for her and compliments her performance.
:*When they were voting, Ash shouts out Serena's name louder than the others.

*''[[XY113|Performing a Pathway to the Future!]]''
:*When Serena is going to perform, Ash cheers loudly for her. After Serena's performance, Ash compliments her.
:*Ash is very happy when Serena wins the semifinal round.
:*Despite being disappointed to see Serena losing Aria, Ash assures Clemont and Bonnie that Serena's dream is far from over after they express their disappointment in Serena's defeat.
:*After the Master Class tournament, Serena is seen contemplating her future alone. When Ash goes and finds her, he first shows concern for her wrist which she injured, and then encourages her for the sake of her goal.
:*At the last scene, when the group is running Ash is smiling and looking at Serena.

*''[[XY114|A Keeper for Keeps?]]''
:*When Ash is eating breakfast, he is looking at Serena.

*''[[XY115|Battling at Full Volume!]]''
:*While Ash is sick and he emerges from the tent he shares with Clemont he immediately goes straight to Serena and he falls into her arms and reaches over to grab her hand.
:*After Ash collapses he still continues to hold on to her hand and arm.
:*When Ash was fully recovered, he thanked Serena for battling in his place while he was sick.
:*Ash was not upset when he saw Serena in his clothes

*''[[XY116|The Synchronicity Test!]]''
:*When Ash wakes up, he smiles at Serena and apologizes to her when he sees how worried she was about him.

*''[[XY117|Making Friends and Influencing Villains!]]''
:*When Serena offers Ash a pastry he happily accepts it and thanks her as well as complements her.
:*When the gang couldn't figure out where to go to reunite Phantump with its friends, Ash immediately turns to Serena and says that he believes in her and she can find it.

*''[[XY118|Championing a Research Battle!]]''
:*When Serena hands her water bottle to Ash, he happily takes it and thanks her for the drink.
:*As Ash gets up after fainting, he faces Serena as he tells everyone he's fine.

*''[[XY120|All Hail the Ice Battlefield!]]''
:*When Serena calls out to Ash as they arrive at the gym he smiles at her, then runs towards her and the gym.

*''[[XY121|Seeing the Forest for the Trees!]]''
:*After Serena throws a snowball at Ash for yelling at her and leaves after telling him "He isn't the Ash she knows", Ash is shown to be questioning whether he is the person she knows, then gets madder at himself for yelling at Serena and upsetting her. Subsequently, he agrees that she was right and he wasn't being himself since losing to Wulfric.
:*Before Ash reunites with Greninja he is shown to be thinking about what Serena said before he yelled at her.
:*When Ash and Greninja reunite with the group, the first thing Ash does is give Serena an apology for what he did with a sincere tone of voice. He also thanks her for helping him "figure things out".

*''[[XY122|A Real Icebreaker!]]''
:*Before the start of his rematch, Ash turns to Serena after hearing her whispering his name. After seeing that she appears worried about him Ash smiles at Serena and assures her that "everything will be alright."
:*After the gym battle when everyone is congratulating him, Ash faces Serena and reaches his hand out only to Serena for a "fist-bump".

*''[[XY125|A League of His Own!]]''
:*When Serena says Ash won't be battling to Everett; he looks at Serena, who's holding his arm, then to the ground and agrees with Serena and does what she says, even though he wanted to battle.
:*Ash continues holding Serena's hand as she leads him into the stadium.
:*When Serena encourages Ash and wishes him luck before his battle, Ash thanks her and says he appreciates her encouragement.

*''[[XY135|Rocking Kalos Defenses!]]''
:*After [[Lysandre]] walks off of Prism Tower, Ash gets a call from Serena on his walkie-talkie and he immediately asks where she is in a frantic tone of voice.
:*Before Ash sets off with Clemont and the others to stop the Giant Rock, he tells Serena to stay back for her safety as well as to protect Bonnie and [[Mairin]].

*''[[XY137|Battling With a Clean Slate!]]''
:*While watching the reopening of the Lumiose Gym, Serena tells the group she's hesitant on what she's going to do next. After hearing this, Ash assures her that she will be fine and that he believes in her.

*''[[XY138|The First Day of the Rest of Your Life!]]''
:*After their rivals go their separate ways and Clemont and Bonnie return to Lumiose Gym, Ash asks Serena what she plans on doing, then suggests that the two of them go out together.
:*While they are walking around Lumiose City, Ash takes Serena to a clothing store and shows her an outfit he'd think she'd like, (something atypical of Ash to do given how he feels about such activity)
:*While Pikachu and Serena are looking at the dress Ash showed her, Ash is shown to be smiling at her before replacing his smile with a look of concern.
:*Ash is constantly looking at Serena with a look of worry while they were walking around in Lumiose City.
:*Ash asks Serena to battle with him then grabs her by the hand and runs to the battlefield while still holding her hand. After arriving at the battlefield he tells her he wants to battle her to cheer her up and resolves the confusion he sees that she's having.
:*After their battle Ash compliments Serena for her bond with Braixen and the rest of her Pokémon telling her that the bond she has with her Pokémon is the same as his bond with Greninja while scratching his nose nervously.
:*After their battle Ash gives Serena more encouragement for the sake of her future telling her she'll never be alone as long as she has her Pokémon with her and that he will always be supporting her no matter what she decides to do which resolves Serena's confusion and helps her decide on which path she wants to take next on her journey.
:*After Serena informs the group of her decision to travel to [[Hoenn]] alone Ash is the only one who congratulates her for figuring out what she wants to do next and gives her further encouragement for the next step in her journey.

*''[[XY140|Till We Compete Again!]]''
:*While the group is eating breakfast before they leave to go to the airport, they notice Bonnie looking sad and after she halfheartedly assures the others she's fine, Ash and Serena look at each other with a worried expression for Bonnie.
:*After Serena says to Ash: "You're the kind of person I want to be!" and that she's going to get better for him and the next time they meet, Ash initially is surprised but quickly smiles at her and expresses confidence in her.
:*When Serena starts down the escalator the first time, Ash is the only one among himself, Clemont and Bonnie to step forward and follow her.
:*After Serena kisses Ash, he is seen standing at the top of the escalator, momentarily stunned in awe and his eyes glimmering, but smiles afterwards and waves her goodbye. Serena's dialogue also suggests Ash knew what Serena was doing and allowed it.
:*After Serena's plane takes off, Ash assures Clemont that she's stronger than she appears and that they have nothing to worry about just as he did after her first Showcase. Ash then tells him that when they see her again, she'll be stronger than ever.
:*While Ash is on his plane back to Kanto he's shown to be remembering his adventures in Kalos, when thinking about his friends in Kalos most of his thoughts were primarily focused on Serena alone opposed to Clemont and Bonnie were mostly present in group moments rather than individually. Those memories included:
::*Serena speculating a mansion they were staying in being haunted.
::*Saving Serena from Clemont's "Pokéstar Shooter".
::*Teaching Serena how to fish and how happy she was at having caught something.
::*Serena being angered by Jessie who was impersonating her.
::*Serena nursing his foot when they were stranded in a ravine together while they were at Professor Sycamore's Summer Camp.
::*Giving her the ribbon he won in Coumarine City and her happily accepting it.
::*Falling into her arms while he was sick and collapsing while still holding her hand, (interesting about this particular memory, Ash specifically remembers only Serena calling out to him in worry after he collapses, while in the actual episode Clemont and Bonnie did as well. Also interesting about this memory that Ash was supposed to be delirious from being sick in the episode but he vividly remembers what happened).
::*Serena telling him "He isn't the Ash she knows" after arguing with her in the Winding Woods.

*[[JN105]]
:*Ash is caught off guard by the horn of the boat, looking disappointed and surprised when he realizes he will shortly be leaving.
:*Ash tells Serena that they should both do their best, and assures her that he will always be cheering her on.

===Other hints===
[[File:Entertainment Kiss.png|thumb|200px|Valentine's Day poster with Ash and Serena]]
[[File:Ash and Serena Animedia.png|thumb|200px|The poster from Animedia Magazine]]
*On the promotional poster for the series [[S18|Pokémon the Series XY: Kalos Quest]], Serena is depicted blushing while looking at Ash.
*''[[XY006|Battling on Thin Ice!]]''
:*After Serena asks Ash if he remembers her, Ash's {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{AP|Fletchling}} run to {{an|Clemont}} and {{an|Bonnie}} in response, implying that the two Pokémon sense that this is a sensitive moment between Ash and Serena and that they should be left alone.
:*As Serena and Ash talk, [[Alexa]] is seen smiling at the two of them, suggesting that she enjoys seeing the two of them together and even senses a spark between them. However, she could also be smiling as a response to Serena restoring Ash's motivation to train, by quoting a sentence he once said in his childhood, about "never giving up".
:*Before the start of the rematch between Ash and Viola, Alexa tells Serena when she heard Ash and her talking, he needed some inspiration, but she didn't think it would be from her. This sentence implies that Ash would not be as inspired and determined to win the battle if Serena had not appeared.
*On the first official character connection table, an arrow is shown from Serena to Ash with the phrase "I love ...?".
**In the March 2014 issue of ''Onnanoko to Tame no Kuchikomi & Tōkō Magazine'', there is a summary of Serena where among her character description it says that she has special feelings towards Ash. There is also another character connection table with an arrow from Serena to Ash that says "very interested in".
***The aforementioned magazine also includes a poster with Ash and Serena (Clemont and Bonnie are clearly missing) surrounded by Pokémon and balloons. Serena is holding a heart balloon while looking up at Ash.
*There is another official poster from Animedia Magazine of only Serena and Ash sitting next to each other and holding drinks.
*There is an official poster for the movie ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'' of Ash, Serena, Pikachu and Hoopa, in the poster Serena is seen feeding Pikachu, Clemont and Bonnie were noticeably absent.
*On the official Pokémon movie website for Japan, there is a quiz where one question asks what the dialogue from Serena was at the end of ''[[XY039|Summer of Discovery!]]'' and one of the options is Serena saying, "My dream is, to become Satoshi's bride... AH! I am embarrassed!"
*''[[V (Volt)|Mega V]]''
:*In the second opening of ''Pokémon the Series: XY'' (Mega V), Serena looks sad about something and Ash is the only one that notices and calls her to be with him to try to make Serena happy.
*''[[X Strait Y Scenery]]''
:*The first Pokemon XY ending theme only shows Ash and Serena's hats, Ash's Pokédex, Serena's guide book and makeup box.
*''[[DreamDream]]''
:*At the end of the third Pokemon XY ending theme, while Serena is sleeping, Ash places a blanket over her. This is interesting since the most likely person to do that would be Bonnie, considering their closeness.
::*Many fans are intrigued by the ending theme since there is a line that says "two people finding a new love" followed by the scene of Ash placing a blanket over Serena.
*During the intros, Ash usually appears first, followed by Serena.
*During the Pokémon Special that aired between ''[[XY055|A Slippery Encounter!]]'' and ''[[XY056|One for the Goomy!]]'', Ash and Serena were the only ones narrating their progress in Kalos while Clemont and Bonnie were noticeably absent.
*The Japanese title of ''[[XY059|Under the Pledging Tree!]]'' is "Satoshi and Serena's First Date!? The Vow Tree and the Present!!"
**In this episode, Ash gives Serena a ribbon, which is one of the very few times Ash has ever given a gift to one of his female friends (he gave a {{p|Beedrill}} to {{an|Casey}} in ''[[EP161|The Bug Stops Here]]'' and a flower to {{an|Iris}} in ''[[BW131|The Path That Leads to Goodbye!]]''). It can be noted that unlike when he gave those gifts to Casey and Iris, he gave Serena the ribbon without any advice from another person.
*''[[XY71|So You're Having a Bad Day!]]''
:*When the group is separated, Ash's Frogadier acts as bodyguard for Serena, scouting ahead for danger and protecting her. Pokémon represent the feelings of their masters, Ash is always concerned about Serena's safety and tries to protect her when they are in danger or in trouble.
*When Ash and his traveling companions split up to go look for something, he tends to partner up with Serena.
*Serena looks to Ash for guidance and advice on occasion, and she usually takes his recommendations seriously.
*Ash and Serena are often eating and sitting next to each other.
*So far in the series, four recurring female characters have noted Serena's crush on Ash: [[Miette]], Bonnie, {{an|Shauna}} and [[Nini]]. Every time it has been openly discussed with her, rather than attempting to deny it, Serena instead blushes and acts embarrassed.
*To date, Serena is the only female traveling companion to ever dress up as and impersonate Ash.
*Serena is the first female companion who hasn't either argued or fought with nor insulted Ash on a regular basis or be easily irritated by his actions. Misty, May, Dawn (to a smaller extent) and Iris have all been easily irritated by his recklessness and have argued, fought and insulted Ash at least once during their travels with him.
**However the only time both Ash and Serena had a conflict, it was over something serious instead of childish; to snap Ash back to his senses.
*''[[XY140|Till We Compete Again!]]''
:*At the last scene of ''[[XY140|Till We Compete Again!]]'' when Ash is shown entering his house the white flowers in the foreground are Baby Breath flowers which symbolize everlasting love. It's a hint from the writers that shows their content with the ending of XY&Z having Ash and Serena kiss.
:*The flight Serena was going to board to head to Hoenn was H71 Latias. "H71" can be interpreted as the #071 in the [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number (Generation VI)|Hoenn Pokédex]], which is {{p|Mawile}}, or Kucheet (クチート) in Japanese. This can be read as a corruption of 口と, meaning "with the mouth", suggesting that Serena kissed Ash on the mouth.
*[[JN105]]
:*As Serena watches Ash's boat from a distance, the dock lights turn to green. This could be a reference to {{wp|The Great Gatsby}}, in which a green light is symbolic of Gatsby's hope to rekindle his past love with Daisy. This could suggest that despite Ash and Serena's reunion being brief, with their paths still being separate, the two hope for a future together.

==Movie evidence==

===Serena's hints===
*''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''
**During the night after Ash and [[Diancie (anime)|Diancie]] make a wish on a star, it shows Serena awake in her tent gazing at Ash adoringly from a distance without him being aware.
**When Ash is separated from Diancie and the rest of his friends, Diancie expresses her worry for him, but Serena instantly speaks up, believing that he will be fine.
**After Ash reunites with his friends when they are battling Riot's Greninja, Serena is relieved when she sees Ash is alright.

*''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]''
**In the trailer, Serena becomes extremely worried about Ash and calls his name in fear when he becomes taken over by the [[Prison Bottle]] he caught.
**Before Ash separates from his friends, Serena tells him to be very careful.
**After Ash frees from the mind control, Serena asks if he's okay with a concerned tone of voice.

*''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''
**Serena is shown to be carrying Ash's backpack for him.
**After Ash reunites with his friends, Serena is relieved when she sees Ash is alright.
**Serena gives Ash new clothing to replace his water-damaged outfit. When he wears the outfit, she says he looks great.
**At night, when the group is camping, Serena is mending Ash's normal outfit.
**When Ash and Volcanion get electrocuted by Dohga and Ether's attacks, Serena calls out Ash's name in worry.

===Ash's hints===
*''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''
**When Ash is telling {{an|Diancie}} about friends, Ash turns his head to Serena, then turns back to Diancie. Although {{an|Bonnie}} was standing behind Serena, Ash was making full eye contact with the latter.
**Ash holds Serena's hand as they cross a log together even though the help was most likely unnecessary. This indicates that Ash is always concerned about Serena.
**In the ending credits, when Ash and the others see a shooting star, Serena is making a wish and Ash is the only one who is looking at her while Clemont and Bonnie start sleeping.

*''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''
**After Ash tries on the secondary outfit Serena got him, Ash is shown to be excited about it and says he really likes it.
**When Serena returns Ash's normal outfit after mending it, Ash compliments Serena as he thanks her.

===Other hints===
*''[[M20|I Choose You!]]''
**During the credits, every travelling companion of Ash is seen, presumably from his point of view. When Serena is shown, her hat falls off, is caught from the camera's point of view, and handed to her. She takes it back and smiles.

==Similarities==
*They are both based on playable characters from the games: Ash on {{ga|Red}}, and Serena on {{ga|Serena}}.
*Both [[Serena's Fennekin]] and [[Ash's Froakie]] were originally [[Professor Sycamore]]'s.
**Both Pokémon have fully evolved under their ownership, {{AP|Greninja}} and {{TP|Serena|Delphox}}.
*Both Ash and Serena have had only their mothers make an appearance in the anime: {{Delia}} and {{kal|Grace}}, respectively.
*Both own at least one Pokémon that wears sunglasses: Ash owns a {{AP|Krookodile}} and a {{AP|Squirtle}}, while Serena owns a {{TP|Serena|Pancham}}.
*Their first {{t|Fighting}} types were {{AP|Primeape}} and Pancham respectively, both of which have coincidentally stolen Ash's hat.
*They both own a Pokédex.
*They both know how to ride Rhyhorn, Skiddo, and Mamoswine.
*Both have unknown fathers.
*Both have changed their hats at some point.
*Both have traveled through their home regions in two different traveling outfits.
*Both have been hit in the face with a {{m|Flamethrower}} attack by the first {{type|Fire}} they owned.
**Serena was burned by her Fennekin and Ash has been burned by his {{TP|Ash|Charizard}} multiple times.
*Both Ash and Serena have been burned by [[Serena's Fennekin]].
*They both received a new [[Pokédex]] from Professor Sycamore in ''[[XY093|All Eyes on the Future!]]''.
*They both lost against a rival in the final round of a tournament in their field of expertise: Serena lost against Aria in the final round of the [[Gloire City]] [[Pokémon Showcase]] Master Class in ''[[XY113|Performing a Pathway to the Future!]]'', while Ash lost against [[Alain]] in the Lumiose Conference in ''[[XY131|Down to the Fiery Finish!]]''.
*The beginning of their introduction episodes (''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'' for Ash and ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'' for Serena) borrow elements from the beginning of the games of the respective generations: the opening animation of {{game|Red and Green|s}} with a {{p|Gengar}} battling a {{p|Nidorino}} is seen before it transitions into the battle that Ash is watching on TV, and a {{p|Fletchling}} wakes up Serena, as it does with the player character in [[Pokémon X and Y]].

==Trivia==
*Ash and Serena met each other when they were young at {{an|Professor Oak}}'s Summer Camp in [[Pallet Town]]. This would make it the first time a [[Ash's friends|traveling companion]] of Ash's knew him prior to [[Original series|the series]].
*"SatoSere", the shipping's Japanese name, has been trending in Japan on Twitter at various times.
**Junichi Masuda, a Pokémon composer, has tweeted a picture of Ash and Serena as Pikachu, playing with one another. In the actual tweet, he tagged multiple AmourShipping accounts.
**Ken Sugimori, an illustrator and concept designer tweeted a picture of Ash and Serena figurines in front of a microphone
**Kensho Ono, voice actor for {{EF|Aaron}} and [[Alain]] tweeted of picture of himself with his script for ''Pokémon the Series: XY'' with other characters barring Ash and Serena blurred out.
**Shoko Nakagawa, former host of Pokémon Sunday and composer of DreamDream, has tweeted illustrations of Ash and Serena that she drew and a picture of Ash and Serena sleeping while holding hands.
**Rica Matsumoto, Ash's Japanese voice actor, a picture of Ash encouraging Serena to accept Aria's challenge for a double battle from ''[[XY064|Battling with Elegance And a Big Smile!]]''
**Yusuke Oshida, one of the animators, has tweeted a picture of Ash and Serena in their Journeys outfits with a blue ribbon in the background.
*[[The Pokémon Company International]]'s English Twitter account tweeted the scene where Serena kissed Ash from [[XY140]] on Valentine's Day of 2018 and 2020, and on May 31, 2021.
*Serena is the only one of Ash's friends so far to have not invited herself to travel with Ash, but was instead invited.
*Serena is the first one of Ash's female companions not to get shocked by his Pikachu at the beginning of the series.
*Serena is the only one of Ash's female companions who has kissed him.

==Alternate names==
* '''SatoSere''' - often used, this name is taken from '''Sato'''shi and '''Sere'''na
* '''AASL''' - standing for '''A'''sh '''A'''nd '''S'''erena '''L'''ove
* '''ChildhoodShipping''' - another name of the shipping, due to the fact that Ash and Serena met each other when they were young at Professor Oak's Summer Camp in Pallet Town. ChildhoodShipping officially refers to Dawn x Leona, and was named long before Serena was introduced.

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