Talk:Cram-o-matic

2021-09-18T17:49:23Z

Kaybuz:

== Multiples of 2 ==
Why is every number a multiple of 2? Is there a reason not to divide every number by 2 (which would be simpler)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
:Not entirely sure, that's just the mechanic that the research team settled on. Though I'm guessing it's because they first noticed that there were item "tiers" and split them up in multiples of 10. Then started assigning points afterwards to inputs, and halfway through creating the list, noticed that everything was an even number. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
::Well then, wouldn't you think we should simplify, especially as long as it's not well established? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

== Timer balls ==

I got a bunch of Timer Balls when inputting 4 white apricorns, which doesn't match the current ball list. I assume either the Premier or Ultra Balls are incorrect, but I don't have the apricorns to check. [[User:Arcelian|Arcelian]] ([[User talk:Arcelian|talk]]) 19:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
: Thanks for catching that. The typo should be fixed now. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

== How to get Safari Ball, Sport Ball and odds. ==

I did some extreme (and unwilling at first) testing with Cram-O-Matic and Apricorns, and I do think there's a way for the game to discriminate if it will give you a Sport Ball or a Safari Ball 1 time out of 1000: if you are mixing colors of Apricorns or not.

At first, I did an "organic testing", because I wanted to get the Apricorn balls by the way of the Cram-O-Matic for myself. I may have crafted around 700 balls to get them all since I don't remember being surprised by my own luck at this time. But I got no very special Ball (Sport or Safari) in the process. I also wanted those Balls, so I began gathering large amounts of Apricorns.

At the time, I was thinking both Balls were at 0.1% each as Bulbapedia stipulate, so that I could get one out of the two of them with around 500 tries. And after that, with 1000 other tries, I would have fairly good odds to get the missing Ball. So I gathered just enough Apricorns to be able to craft 1500 Balls, since I was willing to get rid of it as fast as possible then. (By the way, as I have a regular Switch and no cheating device, I always gathers Apricorns by looking for the Blue-Shirted Lady all around Isle of Armor for hours... hundreds of hours as it will finally turn out.)

I did gathered enough Apricorns for it. So I decided to go for the most efficient way of crafting Balls: mixing four different colors of Apricorns. I'll explain a bit more later. Out of those 1500 craftings, I got no very special Ball at all.

So, I decided to gather 999 of each color of Apricorns to maximize my chances of obtaining the very special Balls.. Reaching this point would allow me to craft 1748 Balls in a row.

I did it, and once again I crafted Balls by mixing 4 different colors. Thanks to this method, I was able to craft 999 Balls without interruption, without having to change the "recipe" because of shortage of ingredients. That's what I called an "efficient way of crafting Balls". Once the four colored Apricorns were down to zero, I was left with three different colored Apricorns at 999. Then, I was mixing two of one color, one of another one and one of the last one. And once the Apricorn I put two times in the recipe was down to only one left, I just mixed the two last ones as two of one, two of the other, until they reached zero. So it was always a mix (1/1/1/1 then 2/1/1 then 2/2).

Out of these 1748 crafting, I got three Sport Balls, but no Safari Balls. So, I gathered one again enough Apricorns to craft 1748 Balls.

The second time I did 1748 craftings, I got once again three Sport Balls and no Safari Balls. I began to get suspicious, but as I'm not superstitious, I just decided to change a bit my way of crafting for a go with doing all the 1748 craftings by going with two colors of one, two colors of another one (and all same colors for the remaining one at the end).

This third time, I got no very special Balls at all. As I was quite sure some of my previous Sport Ball were from the final stage of 2/2 mixing, I decided to go on the next step of testing for the next 1748.

The fourth time, I mixed three of one color and one of another, which was a mix that didn't appear in my first "efficient" method. I got 4 Sport Balls and no Safari Balls. 10 Sport Balls for no Safari Balls, I was almost sure there was a trick, and I was about to test it. The next time I would do the whole thing crafting Balls by putting four times the same color.

This fifth test got me 2 Safari Balls and no Sport Balls.

I have no proof of my beliefs, it may have been an incredible coincindence, but it's consistent with the testing on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TieEbKKaf1o and with EVERY single comments in it that stipulates which Apricorns were used to get a very special Ball (yes, I read them all, and they all follow the same trend). So, I can't say 100% it's the way this game works, but I STRONGLY recommend anyone who wants a Sport Ball to mix colors of Apricorns (no matter how, as long as it's not four times the same, I got Sport Balls for 1/1/1/1; 2/1/1; 3/1; and also probably form 2/2) and anyone who wants the Safari Ball to mix four times the same color of Apricorns. As my belief is there is 1/1000 chance to get a very rare ball, but which one out of the two possibilites is decided by the game on whether you mix different colors or not.

As for the odds, if we add the likely 700 craftings of my "organic test", the 1500 craftings of my first try for the very special balls, the 5 times I crafted 1748 Balls, plus for each time some more 200 craftings (because once an Apricorn hit the 999 spot, I did some craftings to get its number down and same for the others Apricorns, down to the point were the Apricorn in the least quantity was, so I could continue gathering them without wasting time on an Apricorn already at 999; and when all Apricorns were close to 999, I used the Berry Trees to get them all to exactly 999), we get arround 12 000 craftings. I got 10 Sport Balls and 2 Safari Balls. So, I agree the odd is 0.1% but not for each of the two very special Balls. It's a shared odd, you have 0.1% of getting a very special ball, which one being determied by mixing of colors or not for Apricorns.

TL;NR : I crafted some 10 000 Balls by mixing colors of Apricorn, I got 10 Sport Balls and no Safari Balls. I crafted almost 2000 Balls by mixing four times the same color of Apricorns. I got 2 Safari Balls and no Sport Balls. I do believe that mixing different colors or not is the way the game discriminate which of the two very rare Balls it will give you. Odds are 0.1% for the one Ball you are aiming for, the other being impossible to get as long as you craft Ball by the same ratio mixing. Nothing proven, but I highly recommand to follow this trend. And as long as there is no one to testimony he exeperienced getting one of those Balls another way, I suggest mentioning it in the article as it may help people stuck on getting always the same very special Ball and never the other one.

[[User:RMR|RMR]] ([[User talk:RMR|talk]]) 15:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC) RMR

== Shed shell is only worth 8 points, not 10 ==

'''Shed shell is only worth 8 points, not 10.''' Because of this misinformation I just wasted resources when trying to create wishing pieces. I don't know how to edit the article, but the Shed Shell is '''not''' worth 10 points, ''it's worth 8 points.''

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