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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;???&#039;&#039;&#039; --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gender ratio==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Numbering ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Language correction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical (antiquated) dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint. The entire reptile family had  become so widespread that it is no longer specific, crocodiles aren&#039;t much closer to snakes than we are. In fact, the common dictionary definition of reptile directly conflicts with the dictionary definition of dinosaur, the entire group was named before we knew much about it. All of the new definitions are being rewritten because the group is so big you cannot include turtles, lizards, crocodiles, dinosaurs, and many of the other animals we consider reptiles as birds. ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
::This discussion is long since over. Discussions with no replies are typically closed after six months, and the last reply on this one was nearly a year ago. That aside, this is a moot point now as we have been specifically given Chespin&#039;s origin. All of that aside, Archosauria still separates birds and crocodilians into distinct clades. It&#039;s still perfectly reasonably to consider them separately, particularly when scientific nomentclature is a constantly changing and adapting way of classification. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 05:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My apologies for the necro. Not-so-recent studies have already proven birds lack any distinguishing or exclusive qualities to become entirely separate from reptiles (That is if one defines a dinosaur as a reptile), merely a lack of particular qualities. My point was never about Chespin&#039;s origin but the inaccurate information I saw. And yes the nomenclature is always changing, this is why the idea that birds are in any way separate from reptilia and the phylogenically-off term &amp;quot;reptiles&amp;quot; is outdated. They have far too much in common with later theropods to be considered a whole entire group on their own. The titles of bird and reptile date back to before we knew much about either creature at all, way back when frogs were considered reptiles because of their appearance. The term reptile is now starting to be equated to the scientific term reptilia for sake of convenience, as the original term was based on appearance and not science. If reptile=reptilia then birds are reptiles. If one actually considers then separate then they take a huge chunk of theropoda with them. ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 08:55, 19 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
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* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gender ratio==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Numbering ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical (antiquated) dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint. The entire reptile family had  become so widespread that it is no longer specific, crocodiles aren&#039;t much closer to snakes than we are. In fact, the common dictionary definition of reptile directly conflicts with the dictionary definition of dinosaur, the entire group was named before we knew much about it. All of the new definitions are being rewritten because the group is so big you cannot include turtles, lizards, crocodiles, dinosaurs, and many of the other animals we consider reptiles as birds. ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:EricZangano|EricZangano]] ([[User talk:EricZangano|talk]]) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical (antiquated) dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint. The entire reptile family had  become so widespread that it is no longer specific, crocodiles aren&#039;t much closer to snakes than we are. In fact, the common dictionary definition of reptile directly conflicts with the dictionary definition of dinosaur, the entire group was named before we knew much about it.  ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:EricZangano|EricZangano]] ([[User talk:EricZangano|talk]]) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;???&#039;&#039;&#039; --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Language correction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical (antiquated) dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint. The entire reptile family had  become so widespread that it is no longer specific, crocodiles aren&#039;t much closer to snakes than we are. ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:EricZangano|EricZangano]] ([[User talk:EricZangano|talk]]) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;???&#039;&#039;&#039; --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gender ratio==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Numbering ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Language correction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical (antiquated) dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint.([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:EricZangano|EricZangano]] ([[User talk:EricZangano|talk]]) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;???&#039;&#039;&#039; --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gender ratio==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Numbering ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Language correction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint.([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;???&#039;&#039;&#039; --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gender ratio==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Numbering ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Language correction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact.([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
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* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles.([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front &amp;quot;Sprite&amp;quot;  , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon.&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites...&lt;br /&gt;
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can&#039;t stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}&lt;br /&gt;
:A project isn&#039;t really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300.  If we have someone who can do that, that&#039;s one thing, but that isn&#039;t something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009900&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC66FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Funktastic~!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#99CCFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;話してください&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Actually, re: Japanese name... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to &amp;quot;harinezumi&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;hari&amp;quot; (針）itself is a word that means &amp;quot;needle/pin&amp;quot;? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It already is noted? &#039;&#039;Hari&#039;&#039; has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Odd shade of brown on 3D model ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it&#039;s body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as.  --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It&#039;s not &amp;quot;odd&amp;quot; at all.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Base stats discrepancy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I&#039;m not sure what we&#039;re allowed to use as sources for information here, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it&#039;s only speed that&#039;s different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Appears the user who added Chespin&#039;s stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#DA70D6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kogoro&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;-&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Kogoro|&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;sc&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;color:#FFB6C1;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk to me&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Name Origin Small Erroro */&lt;/p&gt;
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&amp;quot;Mono&amp;quot; is derived from one, the amount of heads the Pokémon currently has.&lt;br /&gt;
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Monozu and its evolutionary line may be based upon the [[wp:Lernaean Hydra|Lernaean Hydra]] of Greek Mythology, a beast that grew two more heads in its place if one was severed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 00:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:you can add it to the article itself you know...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Egg Cycles==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems that Deino eggs require 41 cycles to hatch, form my own ingmae experience and other websites (Psypoke, Serebii and others). I&#039;d rather not mess up the page with my non-existent experience at editing, so if someone wants to change that...&lt;br /&gt;
You should also delete the trivia part about it &amp;quot;Deino is the only pseudo-legendary that requires 21 cycles to hatch&amp;quot;, or whatever. [[User:Xel|Xel]] 07:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In future, add your info at the bottom of the page in a new section, unless it is related to other info. Use the + button next to edit to do this. Edited.[[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 10:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks, I&#039;ll do that next time =) [[User:Xel|Xel]] 17:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unusual Ability...==&lt;br /&gt;
Recently, I received in a trade a Shiny Deino...with the ability Truant. However, everywhere I&#039;ve looked, it has clearly stated YOU CANNOT GET A DEINO WITH TRUANT. His game was not hacked, although he had a handful of Meloetta from a friend&#039;s R4, as he proved to me due to the Meloetta all being traded onto his game. He bred and hatched the Deino himself. So, is this information this site is lacking, or is his game hacked? If it CAN legally possess Truant, that may lead to multiple edits. And yes, I can probably provide proof, should I get access to a digital camera without my parents knowing I own Pokemon White, considering both are heavily anti-Pokemon. [[User:StreetFlare|StreetFlare]] 12:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, not legal. Since your friend had been trading hacked Melloetta onto his game, they likely came from the same place. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 12:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I must admit, when he showed me the Shiny Victini with catch record, I was sceptical. Now a Shiny Deino with Truant with a full breed record (although I admit I didn&#039;t know about the strange ability until yesterday). He seems to be able to get a shiny of everything through breeding, and trades them for TCG cards. Thanks for the explanation, Snorlax. [[User:StreetFlare|StreetFlare]] 06:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== the beatles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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its hairdo looks like theirs and it can learn hyper voice, should this go in origin or trivia? {{unsigned|Ash0011}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Speculation, not notable. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 19:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alphabetical (English) name ==&lt;br /&gt;
Deino is the only Pokémon to have its English name in alphabetical order.[[User:Articerile|Articerile]] ([[User talk:Articerile|talk]]) 14:24, 9 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name Origin Small Error ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Deinosuchus is written as a dinosaur, deinosuchus is a crocodile.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Deino (Pokémon)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Name Origin Small Erroro */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&amp;quot;Mono&amp;quot; is derived from one, the amount of heads the Pokémon currently has.&lt;br /&gt;
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Monozu and its evolutionary line may be based upon the [[wp:Lernaean Hydra|Lernaean Hydra]] of Greek Mythology, a beast that grew two more heads in its place if one was severed.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 00:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:you can add it to the article itself you know...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Egg Cycles==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems that Deino eggs require 41 cycles to hatch, form my own ingmae experience and other websites (Psypoke, Serebii and others). I&#039;d rather not mess up the page with my non-existent experience at editing, so if someone wants to change that...&lt;br /&gt;
You should also delete the trivia part about it &amp;quot;Deino is the only pseudo-legendary that requires 21 cycles to hatch&amp;quot;, or whatever. [[User:Xel|Xel]] 07:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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In future, add your info at the bottom of the page in a new section, unless it is related to other info. Use the + button next to edit to do this. Edited.[[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 10:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks, I&#039;ll do that next time =) [[User:Xel|Xel]] 17:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unusual Ability...==&lt;br /&gt;
Recently, I received in a trade a Shiny Deino...with the ability Truant. However, everywhere I&#039;ve looked, it has clearly stated YOU CANNOT GET A DEINO WITH TRUANT. His game was not hacked, although he had a handful of Meloetta from a friend&#039;s R4, as he proved to me due to the Meloetta all being traded onto his game. He bred and hatched the Deino himself. So, is this information this site is lacking, or is his game hacked? If it CAN legally possess Truant, that may lead to multiple edits. And yes, I can probably provide proof, should I get access to a digital camera without my parents knowing I own Pokemon White, considering both are heavily anti-Pokemon. [[User:StreetFlare|StreetFlare]] 12:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, not legal. Since your friend had been trading hacked Melloetta onto his game, they likely came from the same place. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 12:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I must admit, when he showed me the Shiny Victini with catch record, I was sceptical. Now a Shiny Deino with Truant with a full breed record (although I admit I didn&#039;t know about the strange ability until yesterday). He seems to be able to get a shiny of everything through breeding, and trades them for TCG cards. Thanks for the explanation, Snorlax. [[User:StreetFlare|StreetFlare]] 06:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== the beatles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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its hairdo looks like theirs and it can learn hyper voice, should this go in origin or trivia? {{unsigned|Ash0011}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Speculation, not notable. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 19:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alphabetical (English) name ==&lt;br /&gt;
Deino is the only Pokémon to have its English name in alphabetical order.[[User:Articerile|Articerile]] ([[User talk:Articerile|talk]]) 14:24, 9 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name Origin Small Erroro ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Deinosuchus is ritten as a dinosaur, deinosuchus is a crocodile.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Jetison</name></author>
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		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mudkip_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&amp;diff=1977866</id>
		<title>Talk:Mudkip (Pokémon)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* New Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;So, umm, I herd some things...&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, this is good on the species, but... where&#039;s the mention of the meme? [[User:Birdboy2000|Birdboy2000]] 13:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Meme? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You don&#039;t know? &amp;quot;so i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot; ring any bells? --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No.  Should it? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/So_i_herd_u_liek_mudkip Possibly.] It started over at deviantART when some person invited another to the MudKipClub there. --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 07:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Are you serious? The meme started at 4chan. That&#039;s where 99% of memes start.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It probably was first started (Not as a meme, though) on dA and then someone took it to 4chan, which means both of you are right. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I dont know where it started but its been around for a while...and its pretty popular..like look what i found (didnt make) to put on a user page? {{User Mudkip}} anyways..&#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039; think it should be under trivia something such as the following: &amp;quot;Mudkips have been in a popular online saying/joke stating &amp;quot;So i herd you leik mudkips&amp;quot; it is unkown why the spelling was never corrected but it is more popular in such form&amp;quot; well...thats just &#039;&#039;my&#039;&#039; two cents...anybody else got something to say? bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.wikichan.org/index.php/Mudkips(source to &amp;quot;i herd you liek mudkips&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hehe, I put that on my page. Anyways, yeah, maybe a little something under Trivia. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree, to Trivia with the meme. Also, I made that userbox. The question, though, is if we add the meme thing to Mudkip, what of {{p|Slowpoke}} or {{p|Seaking}}? &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 08:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes...i also put that on my page...and thanksalot for making it...there is a phrase mentioning it in trivia now...i think thats pretty sufficent...so what are the memes about seaking and slowpoke? i haven&#039;t heard those ones. bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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The memes are &amp;quot;Fuck Yeah Seaking&amp;quot; and...I&#039;m not sure what Slowpoke&#039;s is called. But Slowpoke is posted onto pages at 4chan that are out-of-date, I think? (Like, if someone asked, &amp;quot;When is the human race going to go into outer space?&amp;quot; they would recieve a Slowpoke in response.) Yeah, put a small trivia thingy for Slowpoke and Seaking, I guess. [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 18:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I definitely know about Seaking, I saw one on the GTS named **** YEAH. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 02:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason Mudkip won that favorite Pokémon thing is because of the stupid &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;quot;i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; thing.  It was probably the most ingnored starter Pokémon up until that dumb phrase. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0005CD;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#15E200;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ケンジ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DC0062;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ガール&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay so i looked up the slowpoke thing. its like when somebody says they&#039;ve newly discovered something from distant past, and then they get a slowpoke in response because they are slow to find it...heres an example:&lt;br /&gt;
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Person A:&amp;quot;Hey, i found a great new show called &amp;quot;I Love Lucy&amp;quot; Its really funny&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Person B:&amp;quot;Yeah...its pretty good...[[image:079.png]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The meme stems from 4chan. I could upload a screencap of the thread to photobucket or whatever to show you guys the original story, but it&#039;s probably rated R and NSFW. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Wall Street Journal&#039;s sources obviously points towards 4chan as the creators of the meme; http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121564928060441097.html&lt;br /&gt;
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:I realize said (incredibly stupid) Mudkip meme is quite popular, but does it seriously need to be mentioned in &#039;&#039;four&#039;&#039; separate Trivia items? That just seems like overkill.... [[User:JessTehSkox|JessTehSkox]] 23:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It really is, so I killed some of them. &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000C8&amp;quot;&amp;gt;THE TROM&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;mdash; 04:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, this meme originated 100% from 4chans /b/. It had NOTHING to do with DA, they just used it after the fact. Again, nothing to do with DA I&#039;m removing that part.--[[User:Amantis|Amantis]] 05:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Origin?==&lt;br /&gt;
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So... mudskipper or mudpuppy? I&#039;ve looked at pictures of both and they look completely different from each other, with the mudpuppy looking (by far) more like Mudkip. Then again, mudskipper is the namesake of Mudkip (either that, or &amp;quot;mud&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;skip&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I herd you liek mudkipz.--[[User:Wantlimepie|Wantlimepie]] 21:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prototype sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should it be stated,that on the [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/e/ed/Betamudkip.PNG prototype] sprite for D/P,there is a rather large reddish spot on the Mudkips tail? That could be a gender difference,or a new design? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Edit Request==&lt;br /&gt;
Ash&#039;s Pokedex, Mudkip, AG005 &#039;Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive fin on its head to take radar readings off its surroundings.&#039; Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another one, please.&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexbody|AG025|Mudkip|Ash&#039;s Pokédex|Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive radar receptors on its headfin to determine what&#039;s going on around it. In a pinch, it can remish enough power to crush rocks.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== In travia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mudkip is only of its evolution line that can learn mud sport.Despite its evolution was ground/water and it was pure water.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: No. Marshtomp also learns it one level later. Mudkip learns it at level 24, Marshtomp learns it at level 25. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No it not I already check in GenV move of Marshtomp it was no mud sport.I guess you mean mud shot.I mean mud sport.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 08:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gust? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The egg moves section lists Gust as one of Mudkip&#039;s egg moves.  The Gust page itself does not.  Which is right?  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 20:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Once again, does anybody know whether Mudkip can learn Gust or not?  Cause if it can&#039;t, Gust should probably be removed from Mudkip&#039;s list of egg moves.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My guess is no. I&#039;ll try to find the answer. ♣♣ &#039;&#039;[[User:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ƒǿҫὑṩ&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;olive&amp;quot;&amp;gt;❺❽&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; ♣♣ 12:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Habitat ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Mudkip and members of its evolution family dwell in swamps or other wetlands, deep inside isolated islands, because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Where is the proof from the &amp;quot;because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;? can someone tell me? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 20:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mudkip_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=351030 Here&#039;s its addition.] I see no proof. I&#039;ve looked up the sentence on Google and got nothing except for Bulbapedia/other sites quoting Bulbapedia. &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jo the Marten&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ಠ_ಠ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90C870;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since we&#039;re labeling pokemon starters on being the first of an animal group, shouldn&#039;t Mudkip be stated to be the first based on an amphibian?  [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Bulbasaur may have been based on amphibians.--&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#AB0909&amp;quot;&amp;gt;電&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#063A73&amp;quot;&amp;gt;禅&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#fff&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Tahoma&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Den Zen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 20:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I meant first water starter [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 21:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mudkip_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&amp;diff=1976505</id>
		<title>Talk:Mudkip (Pokémon)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* New Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;So, umm, I herd some things...&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, this is good on the species, but... where&#039;s the mention of the meme? [[User:Birdboy2000|Birdboy2000]] 13:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Meme? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You don&#039;t know? &amp;quot;so i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot; ring any bells? --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No.  Should it? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/So_i_herd_u_liek_mudkip Possibly.] It started over at deviantART when some person invited another to the MudKipClub there. --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 07:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Are you serious? The meme started at 4chan. That&#039;s where 99% of memes start.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It probably was first started (Not as a meme, though) on dA and then someone took it to 4chan, which means both of you are right. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I dont know where it started but its been around for a while...and its pretty popular..like look what i found (didnt make) to put on a user page? {{User Mudkip}} anyways..&#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039; think it should be under trivia something such as the following: &amp;quot;Mudkips have been in a popular online saying/joke stating &amp;quot;So i herd you leik mudkips&amp;quot; it is unkown why the spelling was never corrected but it is more popular in such form&amp;quot; well...thats just &#039;&#039;my&#039;&#039; two cents...anybody else got something to say? bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.wikichan.org/index.php/Mudkips(source to &amp;quot;i herd you liek mudkips&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hehe, I put that on my page. Anyways, yeah, maybe a little something under Trivia. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree, to Trivia with the meme. Also, I made that userbox. The question, though, is if we add the meme thing to Mudkip, what of {{p|Slowpoke}} or {{p|Seaking}}? &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 08:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes...i also put that on my page...and thanksalot for making it...there is a phrase mentioning it in trivia now...i think thats pretty sufficent...so what are the memes about seaking and slowpoke? i haven&#039;t heard those ones. bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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The memes are &amp;quot;Fuck Yeah Seaking&amp;quot; and...I&#039;m not sure what Slowpoke&#039;s is called. But Slowpoke is posted onto pages at 4chan that are out-of-date, I think? (Like, if someone asked, &amp;quot;When is the human race going to go into outer space?&amp;quot; they would recieve a Slowpoke in response.) Yeah, put a small trivia thingy for Slowpoke and Seaking, I guess. [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 18:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I definitely know about Seaking, I saw one on the GTS named **** YEAH. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 02:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason Mudkip won that favorite Pokémon thing is because of the stupid &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;quot;i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; thing.  It was probably the most ingnored starter Pokémon up until that dumb phrase. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0005CD;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#15E200;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ケンジ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DC0062;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ガール&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay so i looked up the slowpoke thing. its like when somebody says they&#039;ve newly discovered something from distant past, and then they get a slowpoke in response because they are slow to find it...heres an example:&lt;br /&gt;
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Person A:&amp;quot;Hey, i found a great new show called &amp;quot;I Love Lucy&amp;quot; Its really funny&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Person B:&amp;quot;Yeah...its pretty good...[[image:079.png]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The meme stems from 4chan. I could upload a screencap of the thread to photobucket or whatever to show you guys the original story, but it&#039;s probably rated R and NSFW. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Wall Street Journal&#039;s sources obviously points towards 4chan as the creators of the meme; http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121564928060441097.html&lt;br /&gt;
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:I realize said (incredibly stupid) Mudkip meme is quite popular, but does it seriously need to be mentioned in &#039;&#039;four&#039;&#039; separate Trivia items? That just seems like overkill.... [[User:JessTehSkox|JessTehSkox]] 23:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It really is, so I killed some of them. &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000C8&amp;quot;&amp;gt;THE TROM&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;mdash; 04:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, this meme originated 100% from 4chans /b/. It had NOTHING to do with DA, they just used it after the fact. Again, nothing to do with DA I&#039;m removing that part.--[[User:Amantis|Amantis]] 05:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Origin?==&lt;br /&gt;
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So... mudskipper or mudpuppy? I&#039;ve looked at pictures of both and they look completely different from each other, with the mudpuppy looking (by far) more like Mudkip. Then again, mudskipper is the namesake of Mudkip (either that, or &amp;quot;mud&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;skip&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I herd you liek mudkipz.--[[User:Wantlimepie|Wantlimepie]] 21:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prototype sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should it be stated,that on the [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/e/ed/Betamudkip.PNG prototype] sprite for D/P,there is a rather large reddish spot on the Mudkips tail? That could be a gender difference,or a new design? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Edit Request==&lt;br /&gt;
Ash&#039;s Pokedex, Mudkip, AG005 &#039;Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive fin on its head to take radar readings off its surroundings.&#039; Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another one, please.&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexbody|AG025|Mudkip|Ash&#039;s Pokédex|Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive radar receptors on its headfin to determine what&#039;s going on around it. In a pinch, it can remish enough power to crush rocks.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== In travia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mudkip is only of its evolution line that can learn mud sport.Despite its evolution was ground/water and it was pure water.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: No. Marshtomp also learns it one level later. Mudkip learns it at level 24, Marshtomp learns it at level 25. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No it not I already check in GenV move of Marshtomp it was no mud sport.I guess you mean mud shot.I mean mud sport.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 08:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gust? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The egg moves section lists Gust as one of Mudkip&#039;s egg moves.  The Gust page itself does not.  Which is right?  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 20:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Once again, does anybody know whether Mudkip can learn Gust or not?  Cause if it can&#039;t, Gust should probably be removed from Mudkip&#039;s list of egg moves.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My guess is no. I&#039;ll try to find the answer. ♣♣ &#039;&#039;[[User:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ƒǿҫὑṩ&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;olive&amp;quot;&amp;gt;❺❽&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; ♣♣ 12:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Habitat ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Mudkip and members of its evolution family dwell in swamps or other wetlands, deep inside isolated islands, because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Where is the proof from the &amp;quot;because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;? can someone tell me? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 20:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mudkip_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=351030 Here&#039;s its addition.] I see no proof. I&#039;ve looked up the sentence on Google and got nothing except for Bulbapedia/other sites quoting Bulbapedia. &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jo the Marten&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ಠ_ಠ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90C870;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since we&#039;re labeling pokemon starters on being the first of an animal group, shouldn&#039;t Mudkip be stated to be the first based on an amphibian?  [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;So, umm, I herd some things...&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, this is good on the species, but... where&#039;s the mention of the meme? [[User:Birdboy2000|Birdboy2000]] 13:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Meme? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You don&#039;t know? &amp;quot;so i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot; ring any bells? --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No.  Should it? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/So_i_herd_u_liek_mudkip Possibly.] It started over at deviantART when some person invited another to the MudKipClub there. --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 07:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Are you serious? The meme started at 4chan. That&#039;s where 99% of memes start.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It probably was first started (Not as a meme, though) on dA and then someone took it to 4chan, which means both of you are right. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I dont know where it started but its been around for a while...and its pretty popular..like look what i found (didnt make) to put on a user page? {{User Mudkip}} anyways..&#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039; think it should be under trivia something such as the following: &amp;quot;Mudkips have been in a popular online saying/joke stating &amp;quot;So i herd you leik mudkips&amp;quot; it is unkown why the spelling was never corrected but it is more popular in such form&amp;quot; well...thats just &#039;&#039;my&#039;&#039; two cents...anybody else got something to say? bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.wikichan.org/index.php/Mudkips(source to &amp;quot;i herd you liek mudkips&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hehe, I put that on my page. Anyways, yeah, maybe a little something under Trivia. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree, to Trivia with the meme. Also, I made that userbox. The question, though, is if we add the meme thing to Mudkip, what of {{p|Slowpoke}} or {{p|Seaking}}? &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 08:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes...i also put that on my page...and thanksalot for making it...there is a phrase mentioning it in trivia now...i think thats pretty sufficent...so what are the memes about seaking and slowpoke? i haven&#039;t heard those ones. bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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The memes are &amp;quot;Fuck Yeah Seaking&amp;quot; and...I&#039;m not sure what Slowpoke&#039;s is called. But Slowpoke is posted onto pages at 4chan that are out-of-date, I think? (Like, if someone asked, &amp;quot;When is the human race going to go into outer space?&amp;quot; they would recieve a Slowpoke in response.) Yeah, put a small trivia thingy for Slowpoke and Seaking, I guess. [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 18:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I definitely know about Seaking, I saw one on the GTS named **** YEAH. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 02:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason Mudkip won that favorite Pokémon thing is because of the stupid &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;quot;i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; thing.  It was probably the most ingnored starter Pokémon up until that dumb phrase. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0005CD;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#15E200;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ケンジ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DC0062;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ガール&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay so i looked up the slowpoke thing. its like when somebody says they&#039;ve newly discovered something from distant past, and then they get a slowpoke in response because they are slow to find it...heres an example:&lt;br /&gt;
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Person A:&amp;quot;Hey, i found a great new show called &amp;quot;I Love Lucy&amp;quot; Its really funny&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Person B:&amp;quot;Yeah...its pretty good...[[image:079.png]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The meme stems from 4chan. I could upload a screencap of the thread to photobucket or whatever to show you guys the original story, but it&#039;s probably rated R and NSFW. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Wall Street Journal&#039;s sources obviously points towards 4chan as the creators of the meme; http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121564928060441097.html&lt;br /&gt;
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:I realize said (incredibly stupid) Mudkip meme is quite popular, but does it seriously need to be mentioned in &#039;&#039;four&#039;&#039; separate Trivia items? That just seems like overkill.... [[User:JessTehSkox|JessTehSkox]] 23:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It really is, so I killed some of them. &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000C8&amp;quot;&amp;gt;THE TROM&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;mdash; 04:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, this meme originated 100% from 4chans /b/. It had NOTHING to do with DA, they just used it after the fact. Again, nothing to do with DA I&#039;m removing that part.--[[User:Amantis|Amantis]] 05:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Origin?==&lt;br /&gt;
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So... mudskipper or mudpuppy? I&#039;ve looked at pictures of both and they look completely different from each other, with the mudpuppy looking (by far) more like Mudkip. Then again, mudskipper is the namesake of Mudkip (either that, or &amp;quot;mud&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;skip&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I herd you liek mudkipz.--[[User:Wantlimepie|Wantlimepie]] 21:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prototype sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should it be stated,that on the [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/e/ed/Betamudkip.PNG prototype] sprite for D/P,there is a rather large reddish spot on the Mudkips tail? That could be a gender difference,or a new design? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Edit Request==&lt;br /&gt;
Ash&#039;s Pokedex, Mudkip, AG005 &#039;Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive fin on its head to take radar readings off its surroundings.&#039; Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another one, please.&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexbody|AG025|Mudkip|Ash&#039;s Pokédex|Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive radar receptors on its headfin to determine what&#039;s going on around it. In a pinch, it can remish enough power to crush rocks.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== In travia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mudkip is only of its evolution line that can learn mud sport.Despite its evolution was ground/water and it was pure water.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: No. Marshtomp also learns it one level later. Mudkip learns it at level 24, Marshtomp learns it at level 25. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No it not I already check in GenV move of Marshtomp it was no mud sport.I guess you mean mud shot.I mean mud sport.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 08:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gust? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The egg moves section lists Gust as one of Mudkip&#039;s egg moves.  The Gust page itself does not.  Which is right?  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 20:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Once again, does anybody know whether Mudkip can learn Gust or not?  Cause if it can&#039;t, Gust should probably be removed from Mudkip&#039;s list of egg moves.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My guess is no. I&#039;ll try to find the answer. ♣♣ &#039;&#039;[[User:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ƒǿҫὑṩ&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;olive&amp;quot;&amp;gt;❺❽&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; ♣♣ 12:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Habitat ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Mudkip and members of its evolution family dwell in swamps or other wetlands, deep inside isolated islands, because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Where is the proof from the &amp;quot;because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;? can someone tell me? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 20:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mudkip_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=351030 Here&#039;s its addition.] I see no proof. I&#039;ve looked up the sentence on Google and got nothing except for Bulbapedia/other sites quoting Bulbapedia. &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jo the Marten&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ಠ_ಠ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90C870;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since we&#039;re labeling pokemon starters on being the first of an animal group, shouldn&#039;t Mudkip be stated to be the first based on an amphibian?  [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since we&#039;re labeling pokemon starters on being the first of an animal group, shouldn&#039;t Mudkip be stated to be the first based on an amphibian?  [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Mudkip (Pokémon)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;So, umm, I herd some things...&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, this is good on the species, but... where&#039;s the mention of the meme? [[User:Birdboy2000|Birdboy2000]] 13:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Meme? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You don&#039;t know? &amp;quot;so i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot; ring any bells? --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No.  Should it? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/So_i_herd_u_liek_mudkip Possibly.] It started over at deviantART when some person invited another to the MudKipClub there. --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 07:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Are you serious? The meme started at 4chan. That&#039;s where 99% of memes start.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It probably was first started (Not as a meme, though) on dA and then someone took it to 4chan, which means both of you are right. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I dont know where it started but its been around for a while...and its pretty popular..like look what i found (didnt make) to put on a user page? {{User Mudkip}} anyways..&#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039; think it should be under trivia something such as the following: &amp;quot;Mudkips have been in a popular online saying/joke stating &amp;quot;So i herd you leik mudkips&amp;quot; it is unkown why the spelling was never corrected but it is more popular in such form&amp;quot; well...thats just &#039;&#039;my&#039;&#039; two cents...anybody else got something to say? bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.wikichan.org/index.php/Mudkips(source to &amp;quot;i herd you liek mudkips&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hehe, I put that on my page. Anyways, yeah, maybe a little something under Trivia. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 02:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree, to Trivia with the meme. Also, I made that userbox. The question, though, is if we add the meme thing to Mudkip, what of {{p|Slowpoke}} or {{p|Seaking}}? &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 08:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes...i also put that on my page...and thanksalot for making it...there is a phrase mentioning it in trivia now...i think thats pretty sufficent...so what are the memes about seaking and slowpoke? i haven&#039;t heard those ones. bill33421&lt;br /&gt;
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The memes are &amp;quot;Fuck Yeah Seaking&amp;quot; and...I&#039;m not sure what Slowpoke&#039;s is called. But Slowpoke is posted onto pages at 4chan that are out-of-date, I think? (Like, if someone asked, &amp;quot;When is the human race going to go into outer space?&amp;quot; they would recieve a Slowpoke in response.) Yeah, put a small trivia thingy for Slowpoke and Seaking, I guess. [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 18:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I definitely know about Seaking, I saw one on the GTS named **** YEAH. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 02:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason Mudkip won that favorite Pokémon thing is because of the stupid &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;quot;i herd u liek mudkipz&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; thing.  It was probably the most ingnored starter Pokémon up until that dumb phrase. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0005CD;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#15E200;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ケンジ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DC0062;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ガール&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay so i looked up the slowpoke thing. its like when somebody says they&#039;ve newly discovered something from distant past, and then they get a slowpoke in response because they are slow to find it...heres an example:&lt;br /&gt;
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Person A:&amp;quot;Hey, i found a great new show called &amp;quot;I Love Lucy&amp;quot; Its really funny&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Person B:&amp;quot;Yeah...its pretty good...[[image:079.png]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The meme stems from 4chan. I could upload a screencap of the thread to photobucket or whatever to show you guys the original story, but it&#039;s probably rated R and NSFW. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Wall Street Journal&#039;s sources obviously points towards 4chan as the creators of the meme; http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121564928060441097.html&lt;br /&gt;
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:I realize said (incredibly stupid) Mudkip meme is quite popular, but does it seriously need to be mentioned in &#039;&#039;four&#039;&#039; separate Trivia items? That just seems like overkill.... [[User:JessTehSkox|JessTehSkox]] 23:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It really is, so I killed some of them. &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000C8&amp;quot;&amp;gt;THE TROM&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;mdash; 04:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, this meme originated 100% from 4chans /b/. It had NOTHING to do with DA, they just used it after the fact. Again, nothing to do with DA I&#039;m removing that part.--[[User:Amantis|Amantis]] 05:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Origin?==&lt;br /&gt;
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So... mudskipper or mudpuppy? I&#039;ve looked at pictures of both and they look completely different from each other, with the mudpuppy looking (by far) more like Mudkip. Then again, mudskipper is the namesake of Mudkip (either that, or &amp;quot;mud&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;skip&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I herd you liek mudkipz.--[[User:Wantlimepie|Wantlimepie]] 21:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prototype sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should it be stated,that on the [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/e/ed/Betamudkip.PNG prototype] sprite for D/P,there is a rather large reddish spot on the Mudkips tail? That could be a gender difference,or a new design? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Edit Request==&lt;br /&gt;
Ash&#039;s Pokedex, Mudkip, AG005 &#039;Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive fin on its head to take radar readings off its surroundings.&#039; Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another one, please.&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Animedexbody|AG025|Mudkip|Ash&#039;s Pokédex|Mudkip, the Mud Fish Pokémon. Mudkip uses the sensitive radar receptors on its headfin to determine what&#039;s going on around it. In a pinch, it can remish enough power to crush rocks.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== In travia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mudkip is only of its evolution line that can learn mud sport.Despite its evolution was ground/water and it was pure water.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: No. Marshtomp also learns it one level later. Mudkip learns it at level 24, Marshtomp learns it at level 25. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No it not I already check in GenV move of Marshtomp it was no mud sport.I guess you mean mud shot.I mean mud sport.[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 08:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gust? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The egg moves section lists Gust as one of Mudkip&#039;s egg moves.  The Gust page itself does not.  Which is right?  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 20:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Once again, does anybody know whether Mudkip can learn Gust or not?  Cause if it can&#039;t, Gust should probably be removed from Mudkip&#039;s list of egg moves.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My guess is no. I&#039;ll try to find the answer. ♣♣ &#039;&#039;[[User:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ƒǿҫὑṩ&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Focus58|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;olive&amp;quot;&amp;gt;❺❽&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; ♣♣ 12:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Habitat ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Mudkip and members of its evolution family dwell in swamps or other wetlands, deep inside isolated islands, because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Where is the proof from the &amp;quot;because of their dislike of fresh water lakes and ponds&amp;quot;? can someone tell me? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] 20:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mudkip_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=351030 Here&#039;s its addition.] I see no proof. I&#039;ve looked up the sentence on Google and got nothing except for Bulbapedia/other sites quoting Bulbapedia. &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jo the Marten&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;★&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#C00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ಠ_ಠ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90C870;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 22:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since we&#039;re labeling pokemon starters on being the first of an animal group, shouldn&#039;t Mudkip be stated to be the first based on an amphibian?  [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==File not showing up==&lt;br /&gt;
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The artwork won&#039;t show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter&#039;s artwork. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has not been uploaded yet. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00AF33;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;☆&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F8D030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Cool&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0098d8;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ピカチュウ!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, I&#039;m sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==500==&lt;br /&gt;
It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon {{unsigned|DSDark}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. At the moment we don&#039;t know that for sure, and once we do it&#039;ll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there&#039;ll be no need. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It&#039;s like saying we don&#039;t know that you&#039;ll be able to buy Poké Balls. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. Have something like &amp;quot;Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex.&amp;quot; [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s some trivia relating this: Mijumaru is one of two starter Pokémon to have a National Pokédex number that is divisible by 100, the other being Turtwig. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy Appletree]] 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Turtwig isn&#039;t the 400th, it&#039;s Piplup. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::First, do not reply to old comments. Second, you&#039;re actually wrong. Piplup is 393, Chimchar is 390, and Turtwig is 387. 400 is Bibarel. [[User:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#CD7F32&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Turtwig&#039;s&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF7F00&amp;quot;&amp;gt;A-B-Cs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]) 23:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mudkip wasn&#039;t a reptile though, it&#039;s amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn&#039;t matter... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, mudskippers are fish. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, my bad, but they&#039;re still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Amphibians are not fish, nor are fish amphibians, though I do see what you are trying to say. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 08:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some Trivia revealed through Anime Video: Mijumaru here has FANGS. --Dermodio 14:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Birds are reptiles, mudskippers are not, a little bit of research shows that.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where does the name come from? [[User:Eddie Blake|Eddie Blake]] 15:11PM, 13 May 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. {{unsigned|Don&#039;t Hug Lucario!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Should someone add that, or are we waiting? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If I may add, the &#039;maru&#039; in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that &#039;maru&#039; can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;丸&amp;quot; (まる, &#039;&#039;maru&#039;&#039;) means &amp;quot;circle&amp;quot;. The other two B&amp;amp;W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, &#039;&#039;mijuku&#039;&#039;) does indeed mean immature. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Name origin currently lists &#039;mizu&#039;. Can an admin add the extra about &#039;mijuku&#039; please? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The ending &amp;quot;maru&amp;quot; is also a suffix of many Japanese ships {{unsigned|Snozzardi}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Another possibility: {{wp|Ring of Bright Water}} is a novel/movie about a man who finds and adopts an otter named Mijbil, nicknamed Mij. Phonetically, Mijbil would likely be &#039;&#039;Mijubiru&#039;&#039;, with Mij being &#039;&#039;Miju&#039;&#039;. Add the common name suffix -maru for distinct distancing (re: Abra line Japanese name controversy). It can&#039;t be a coincidence. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Height and Weight ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Height: 0.5m (1.6ft)&lt;br /&gt;
Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why did it get deleted?  [[User:Taromon777|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;T a r o m o n&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn&#039;t showing up coz of sync issues :( &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Uhm...==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Spr_3r_000.png|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno?  --[[User:Gen1king|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F08030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;GE&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Gen1king|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;N1&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;KI&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#330000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;NG&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s a placeholder. We don&#039;t know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... [[User:CuboneKing|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Cu&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Tan&amp;quot;&amp;gt;bo&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green color light&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ne&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;King&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|right|200px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex?  Not this whole image of course, but I couldn&#039;t find the clean sprite by itself.  Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! [[User:Taromon777|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;T a r o m o n&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Couldn&#039;t we just link them as [[image:501.png]] and [[image:502.png]]? It&#039;s done for Mijumaru iself. [[User:Takharii|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#B69E00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;Takharii&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;~&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Takharii|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#929292;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Moves==&lt;br /&gt;
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This pokemon knows Water Pulse... [[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And just how do you know that? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Mijumaru can also learn Shell Blade, as Munna&#039;s Forewarn ability alerted it to the move. {{unsigned|Snozzardi}}&lt;br /&gt;
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It also learns Revenge, the moves were shown on youtube vids....[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 18:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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which will not be added until the games come out..... -__- [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Physiology for the admins to implement==&lt;br /&gt;
Mijumaru is a bipedal sea otter-like Pokémon, primarily light blue, dark blue, and white in coloration. Mijumaru has a rounded, spherical white head, with small, triangular dark-blue ears to the sides. Mijumaru’s eyes are large, dark, and ovular in shape; its dark-orange nose is shaped like an oval tilted to the side. Mijumaru also possesses speckles to the sides of its face, most likely meant to be a stylistic implication of short whiskers in the common manner of cartoon canines, and light blue bubble-esque features composing a “collar” around its neck. Mijumaru’s torso is light blue, and decorated with a pale yellow seashell feature in the center. Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet---having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits---colored dark blue. Mijumaru also possesses a slightly plank-shaped dark blue tail. (I should facilitate my efforts before other persons fill in Physiology sections before me...)  [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks again Steph, these are so well written! &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s perfect. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♫♪&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00FA9A;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Ady&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F9;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Niz&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♪♫&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 02:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The &amp;quot;---&amp;quot; looks unusual. Is it supposed to be some kind of wiki code that is broken? I think a simple dash (—) would be much better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 08:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Fixed. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 08:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::OK, can you put spaces around the dashes too please? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Those em dashes aren&#039;t supposed to have spaces between them and the word, so technically it is right how it is. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 09:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Evolution==&lt;br /&gt;
Mijumaru&#039;s evolutions name is Rakonosua (ラコノスア) Originating from rakka meaning Sea Otter in japanese &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from {{u|Vkickass}} ([[User talk:Vkickass|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vkickass|contribs]]) &#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:Is this from the anime beta art? [[User:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#CD7F32&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Turtwig&#039;s&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF7F00&amp;quot;&amp;gt;A-B-Cs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]) 23:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::What source did you get this name from? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 02:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the beta art, it took a little effort to read it, and i thought that it would be terribly wrong, but it ended up making sense[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 01:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It says ラコノスケ (Rakonosuke), not ラコノスア (Rakonosua) on the chart and seeing as how ツタージャ (Tsutarja) is nicknamed アイビー (Ivy) there, there is no guarantee that Rakonosuke is it&#039;s actual name and not a nickname. It would fit with Mijumaru especially considering that -maru is a Japanese male name suffix just as -(no)suke is, but the problem is that it could just be a nickname so It&#039;s best to just wait :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible new info ==&lt;br /&gt;
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http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8454/1279467961547.gif&lt;br /&gt;
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speaking of it&#039;s evolution I came across a (fake or not who knows...) gif of it&#039;s evo..I&#039;m willing to bet it came from that black and white demo ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
:That sprite came from a devianArt user. [http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Mijumaru-evo-sprite-170196576?q=gallery%3APokemon-Diamond%2F4804376&amp;amp;qo=4 Here is the link]  --[[User:Crimsonnavy|Crimsonnavy]] 19:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Questions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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First question, why does Mijumaru&#039;s evolutions show up as the hack L? Shouldn&#039;t it show up as question marks? Putting it up as L might just confuse some people. Second question, how do you edit pages again? I noticed that there was no little &amp;quot;edit&amp;quot; at the end of each section so i was wondering. I was going to say that the feet resembled an otter&#039;s flippers. Thanks.  [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 22:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:To answer your questions, we don&#039;t have sprites for it&#039;s evolutions, that&#039;s why it shows up as a glitch. I don&#039;t know why it would confuse people, unless you really believe it evolves into a glitch Pokémon. Secondly, you can&#039;t edit this page because it&#039;s protected, like all new Pokémon pages. If you want something added then discuss it on it&#039;s talk page. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh ok thanks. Yeah the L doesn&#039;t confuse me but it might confuse another random person who knows ziltch about pokemon. So, lets discuss it now, I was thinking of adding in the info that its feet resemble an otter&#039;s flippers, who&#039;s for it? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 22:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That&#039;s a bit redundant, since it&#039;s already mentioned under it&#039;s origin that it&#039;s based on a Sea Otter. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 22:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think the question mark further up is alot more appropriate than the glitch sprite. A question mark would get instant recognition by any reader that the evolutions are unknown, which is what we should be shooting for.--[[User_talk:Jack Harkness|J.Harkness]] 22:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::@ Jello: True, I thought of that too, right after I posted that. @ J. Harkness: That’s exactly what I was thinking, and for the other starters of this region too. So here is how I think the second to last sentence should look. &amp;quot;Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet—having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits and the appearance of small flippers—colored dark blue.&amp;quot; [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 23:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Thanks for the suggestions, we&#039;ve gone around and changed the sprites to something more appropriate. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 23:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::...hack L? Kids these days... don&#039;t even know about Missingno... &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== About its National number ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. We know. {{p|Victini}} is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you&#039;d not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it&#039;s gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you&#039;d know there&#039;s 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like &amp;quot;let&#039;s see how many they added&amp;quot; and more like &amp;quot;oh, there&#039;s so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...&amp;quot;. Sure, futile anyway, given that we&#039;ll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we&#039;ve had since Gen I.&lt;br /&gt;
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Mijumaru, until further notice, is staying at #500. We cannot assume anything different than it being seventh after Arceus, just as Totodile is seventh after Mew, Mudkip is seventh after Celebi, and Piplup is seventh after Deoxys. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mammalian ==&lt;br /&gt;
I hate to be a stickler, but Pikachu is based off of a mammal. ----[[User:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:diamond&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Zewis&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]  [[User talk:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;9)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Technically, I think that piece of trivia doesn&#039;t include Pikachu; yes, it was the starter in Yellow, but it isn&#039;t an official &amp;quot;starter Pokémon&amp;quot; since it isn&#039;t one of the first three evolutionary lines in any regional Pokédex. But I do think the trivia about being the first non-Fire type mammalian starter could be removed. [[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 01:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, if we want to do this, Eevee from XD is a mammal, as well as as countless others from side series games.  But I think it should stay, a Yellow wasn&#039;t a regular version.----[[User:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:diamond&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Zewis&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]  [[User talk:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;9)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 13:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Meowth thats right!&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; You are absoloutley correct. Though Perhps it could be changed to &amp;quot;The first Mamillian Starter &#039;&#039;from the main games&#039;&#039; not to be a fire type.&amp;quot; --Dermodio 14:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The problem with that is that Yellow, Colosseum, and XD are all considered &amp;quot;main series&amp;quot; games. So really there&#039;s no good way to include this.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 15:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Uh, yeah, about Mijumaru being the only water type mammal pokemon? He&#039;s not, what about Buizel and Floatzel, the other otter based water type pokemon?[[User:Ultimos-11|Ultimos-11]] 06:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Excuse me, but I think you should read &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039; trivia again.&lt;br /&gt;
:It says &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Mijimaru is the first &#039;&#039;&#039;Water-type starter Pokémon&#039;&#039;&#039; to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:So, we are talking about Water-&#039;&#039;&#039;Starter&#039;&#039;&#039; Pokémon not a normal water type. Buizel and Floatzel are not starters ya know. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♫♪&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00FA9A;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Ady&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F9;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Niz&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♪♫&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 06:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;...as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type.&amp;quot; Um, Eevee, Pikachu, and others came before and are not Fire types. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ability ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Demo released for Black and White when this Pokémon enters battle it starts raining. That means it has the ability Drizzle. Can someone add that? &lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 01:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Mijumaru was sent in second; that means nothing. The player and Bel could have easily been on a route where it rains. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was a wild battle against that electric Zebra Pokémon. And there was clearly no rain in the overworld before the battle started. Could someone please translate the text in the wild battle screen?  --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 01:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::There is also rain in the battle between Mijumaru and Tsutarja at 0:25 in the video.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Actually, the more I look at the video, the more I think that since this is a demo, the rain might be an arbitrary addition to show weather effects in battle. It&#039;s raining in every battle that Mijumaru takes part in, but the hiragana doesn&#039;t match the Japanese for either Rain Dance or Drizzle.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::But its still a version of the game. The developers aren&#039;t going to just make it rain in battle. If there smart they&#039;ll make the demo closest to the game as possible. --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 03:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you pay attention closely during the battle during the wild Shimama, you can see that the rain effect doesn&#039;t show up between turns, meaning that they either changed the weather mechanics so that you aren&#039;t reminded every turn about the weather, or that (natural) rain doesn&#039;t have an effect on the actual battle (as opposed to rain from Drizzle or Rain Dance). Of course, even that&#039;s speculation. In any case, it&#039;s not confirmed that Mijumaru has Drizzle, so we shouldn&#039;t put it on the article yet. &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family: Verdana;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;~ [[User:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0080ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;sol&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4090ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ar&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#a8d3ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;is&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 03:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Just thought I&#039;d add in here that with the [[n:Pokémon Sunday features new footage from Black and White|higher quality video]] that we&#039;ve gotten, you can clearly see the rain in the overworld. &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family: Verdana;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;~ [[User:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0080ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;sol&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4090ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ar&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#a8d3ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;is&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 04:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Okay I can see it now. Never mind. --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 13:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shell Blade ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It should be noted that Mijumaru&#039;s shell appears to be detachable, as it is holding it in the poster for [[Best Wishes]]. It seems likely this is how it will use its Shell Blade attack. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 06:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The preview for best wishes shows it using as a shield, so it shouldn&#039;t just say attacking....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Typo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Mijimaru&#039;&#039;&#039; is the first {{type|Water}} [[starter Pokémon]] to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the {{type|Fire}}.&lt;br /&gt;
:Can we get a &amp;quot;Miju&amp;quot; out of the &amp;quot;Miji&amp;quot;, please? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::After several conflicts, it&#039;s been fixed. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00AF33;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;☆&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0098d9;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Cool&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F8D030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Pikachu!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 14:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ash&#039;s Mijumaru ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ash was seen commanding a Mijumaru and beating the smack out of Dento&#039;s Yanappu...so shouldnt sair Article be protected? (if it isnt already) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Way ahead of you there. &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 11:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Also, shouldn&#039;t it be added that a Mijumaru is owned by Ash in the anime section? --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 21:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s not confirmed, hence the protecting.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 22:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yeah I saw the trailer too. I saw a Yanappu then behind it I saw Dento so I guessed it was a gym battle then I thought it would be battling against Ash and then I saw a Mijumaru and just behind it I saw Ash!--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:pink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;KayKay&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:purple&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Chat to me!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 12:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*sigh* What have we explained over and over for years? WAIT UNTIL THE EPISODE AIRS. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#33CC66;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ケンジ&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6600CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;の&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ガール&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I know, I know--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:pink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;KayKay&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:purple&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Chat to me!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 23:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mijumaru and the evolution were made from the image of the Japan(samurai).  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It is described to the developer interview of the magazine named pokemon pia. &lt;br /&gt;
It is described that the animal that makes it to the theme is a sea otter and a sea dog. The sea dog will appear after it evolves. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:the heck is a sea dog? (all I get is actual pictures of dogs) so it&#039;s another fan interpretation proven correct? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was Sea lion(アシカ/ashika). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This makes the starter evos look more real.....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The mistake was able to be noticed thanks to you. I thank you.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Third evo type? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Has it been confimed that the third evolution is simply water, like it&#039;s listed under the evolution section? I only ask because it may have a secondary type and we probably shouldn&#039;t list it as Water until confirmed otherwise. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 16:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:1. no and 2. no starter changes it&#039;s primary type..ever...and never will...when it&#039;s fully revealed it&#039;ll be changed..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special Abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
Would it be okay to mention that the shell on Mijumaru&#039;s belly is able to be removed and used as a weapon? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 13:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;lt;code&amp;gt;a pale yellow seashell feature in the center, which can be removed and used in various ways.&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Read article first.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#C11B17&amp;quot;&amp;gt;でんのう&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#347C2C&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☢&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;  [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#151B8D&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Z&#039;&#039;&#039;えんし&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 14:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware of that but... because this is an ability that is most likely uniqu to the Mijumaru family I think it would fit better under Special Abilities. Could we move the part about it being used as a tool? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 00:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== English name ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The English name for it is Oshawott, as said on the official site. It&#039;s [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 23:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Originwise... surely it&#039;s a sort of spoonerism of &amp;quot;Ottawosh?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Otter&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Wash,&amp;quot; but with the syllables mixed up. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Really? I could have thought it was a mix of &amp;quot;ocean&amp;quot; (or at least the way it sounds), and &amp;quot;water&amp;quot;+&amp;quot;otter&amp;quot;, shortened, obviously. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 00:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I&#039;m pretty sure Oshawott is a combination of &#039;&#039;{{wp|Oshawa}}&#039;&#039;, a city in Ontario Canada, and &#039;&#039;Otter&#039;&#039;. It&#039;s also possibly a pun of &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;Ocean water&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 01:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I&#039;d agree, as Oshawa can mean &amp;quot;The crossing place&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Crossing the river&amp;quot;, and it was along a major fur trading route. --[[User:Dragoon|Dragoon]] 18:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*should it be a trivia that Oshawatt is the only obtainable starter that starts with a vowel.[[User:Ashanddawn4evr|Ashanddawn4evr]] 00:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Somehow I don&#039;t think this should go under &amp;quot;Pokemon with unknown English names&amp;quot; anymore. &amp;gt;_&amp;gt; -[[User:57|5]][[User talk:57|7]] 01:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe its name is based on OSHA. It&#039;s the Occupational Safety and Health Administration Water Otter. He walks around with a clipboard, and hands out OSHA violation notices. (This is a joke.) [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Jokes belong on the forums, not on article talk pages. In all seriousness, I think it comes from &#039;&#039;Ocean&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;otter&#039;&#039;. No idea where the W comes from. Water maybe? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;P&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;K&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;N&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oshawott name origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Has anyone considered that its English name may come from Ocean + Shell + Water + Otter? I think that shell is where the &amp;quot;sh&amp;quot; comes from and then it is combined with the similar sound in &amp;quot;ocean&amp;quot;. I think the &amp;quot;wott&amp;quot; just comes from water and otter. [[User:NightSky|NightSky]] 18:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Kind of possible, might be a pun on multiple things including that, and not just that.--[[User:Dragoon|Dragoon]] 18:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere about Oshawa meaning &amp;quot;crossing the river&amp;quot; in one of the native american languages. Possibility here? --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] 02:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It does not - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m pretty sure the &#039;Osha&#039; comes from the city in Canada or perhaps George Ohsawa. Look him up on Wiki, he was born to a poor samurai family, which may be the reference. I think the best idea would to include all of these possibilities. MoonlitEevee 03:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I read this somewhere and I&#039;m just throwing it here, because I think it seems fitting: &#039;&#039;ocean&#039;&#039; + &#039;&#039;shell&#039;&#039; + &#039;&#039;water&#039;&#039; + &#039;&#039;otter&#039;&#039; = Oshawott. [[User:Nick.|Nick.]], &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; 04:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I think that the name orgin being a combination of George Ohsawa a samurai and otter make the most sence. Look at it&#039;s evolutions they highly resemble samurai. {{unsigned|Pokemaster97}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: The only problem with that is that &amp;quot;Ohsawa&amp;quot; is not the same thing as &amp;quot;Oshawa&amp;quot;. Although they seem like a typo away, they mean very different things. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 05:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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this what my prediction that i have put in bulba forums the other day:&lt;br /&gt;
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oshare(properly dressed up) + wotter(old word for water) or oshaburi(pacifier) + wotter(old word for water) hope it will help. oshare and oshaburi are both Japanese words maybe symbolizing he is based on Japanese samurai.[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 10:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m pretty sure the &amp;quot;wott&amp;quot; part of its name doesn&#039;t come out of &amp;quot;water&amp;quot; or anything, as it is pronounced &amp;quot;vot&amp;quot; as a german w (v, or b if you would) It&#039;s /oshavot/. So let&#039;s keep thinking... [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 07:19, 21 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Where did you get the idea that it&#039;s pronounced like a V? Watch the [[BW001|first episode of the Black and White series of the anime]]. Professor Juniper clearly pronounces the W the way normal English speakers would. It&#039;s pronounced in &amp;quot;Oshawott&amp;quot; the same way it is in &amp;quot;water&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;wonder&amp;quot;.--[[User:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#7F7F7F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;726&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User talk:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007100&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;(T&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#DF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;AL&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000A0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;K)&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Admin? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can an admin look over the name origin section in the trivia to see if everything in it is right? Right now it just seems like some of the info isn&#039;t notable enough. --[[User:Landfish7|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Land&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;fish7&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:We don&#039;t know the name orgins because we are not the creators. It&#039;s basicly common sense and opinion so there really isn&#039;t right or wrong. People who don&#039;t know relly needs to stop editing the page before it get&#039;s blocked. :\ [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 23:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its worth pointing out that Oshawott is the first starter&#039;s name, in National dex order, since Totodile to have more than 2 syllables? [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 15:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is an interesting find, but it&#039;s like saying Oshawott is the first starter&#039;s name to begin with a vowel -- not that important enough to warrant an edit. HADAA 21:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== German Name Origin? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m thinking that the German name could be a combination of otter and taro, another common suffix in Japanese boy names. Taro can also mean boy, so I guess they&#039;re suggesting &amp;quot;Otter Boy&amp;quot;. Yes I realize that this origin seems pretty obvious, I just figured I would note this before adding it in. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 07:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The shell on its belly was given a term in Oak&#039;s Live Caster in [[BW006]]. Anyone care to translate it?&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Cracked; font-size:125%&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#303030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;tc&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;[[User:Tc26|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#e03828;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;²₆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#303030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;tc&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User:Tc26/Sandbox|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#e03828;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;26&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 03:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:He says that it&#039;s called {{tt|ほたち|hotachi}}, but I believe he wanted to say {{tt|帆立|ほたて, hotate}} which means &#039;&#039;scallop&#039;&#039;. Since the kanji 立 can be read the two way (たち or たて), it seems there&#039;s no problem using the first one. --[[User:Blow|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Blow&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:Blow|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;話す&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]])&#039;&#039;&#039; 15:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The Japanese pronounciation for 帆立 is hotate, and cannot be hotachi. According to speculations by Japanese bloggers, Oshawott&#039;s {{tt|ホタチ|hotachi}} is an invented term, which is a combination of {{tt|帆立|ほたて, hotate}}, &#039;&#039;scallop&#039;&#039;, and {{tt|太刀|たち, tachi}}, &#039;&#039;Japanese sword&#039;&#039;. It can be translated as a &amp;quot;scallopblade&amp;quot; or a &amp;quot;scallopsword&amp;quot;, but I don&#039;t really care which one we use. HADAA 21:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It is a combination of &amp;quot;Hotate(Scallop)&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Tachi(Sword)&amp;quot;.　The Japanese culture that gave the sword the name was adopted.[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/sp/index5.html] [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::A bit late, but the English dub of [[BW003]] named it as the &amp;quot;Scalchop&amp;quot;.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 18:48, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible Reference Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Oshawott looks strikingly similar to the character Pascal in Animal Crossing with the exception of the nose style and Pascal is red. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 22:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The only things that are really similar between the two is the shell and the size of the head. Otherwise, they really aren&#039;t that similar. Not notable, in my opinion.--[[User:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#7F7F7F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;726&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User talk:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007100&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;(T&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#DF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;AL&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000A0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;K)&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 02:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:They&#039;re both otters, everything about the body size is proportional, eyes are relatively the same except Oshawott&#039;s are a tiny bit more oval-shaped, same shaped mouth, and most importantly, the shell. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 15:47, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crystal party sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
http://rghost.ru/4447715/image.png &amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;In {{v|Crystal}} all pokemon from humanshape egg group had the same sprite, as for me, this sprite resembles Oshawott... &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;amp;forall;&amp;lt;tt&amp;gt;[[User:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;ЫъГѣ&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;exist;[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;Talk page&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/tt&amp;gt;  18:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was supposed to resemble Mr. Mime, but I see what you mean.  There is a resemblence, definitely.  I&#039;d say worth a mention in trivia, at the very least.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 18:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Coincidence. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Doesn&#039;t mean it shouldn&#039;t be added.  It&#039;s only the trivia section we&#039;re talking here, and I&#039;m sure this isn&#039;t the first coincidence to be identified via a page&#039;s trivia section.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 19:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Of course it is coincidence. Thats exactly my point actually. Since I found support, I&#039;ll add it. &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;amp;forall;&amp;lt;tt&amp;gt;[[User:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;ЫъГѣ&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;exist;[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;Talk page&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/tt&amp;gt;  19:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It&#039;s an opinion. It&#039;s supposed to be Mr. Mime and nothing more. It&#039;s isn&#039;t worth mentioning. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#33CC66;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ケンジ&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6600CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;の&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ガール&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 19:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please look into these ideas and help me:&lt;br /&gt;
Snivy&#039;s decided snake of origin is listed as the Green Vine Snake which is native to the South and Central Americas.&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Vine_Snake&lt;br /&gt;
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Tepig&#039;s name sounds like Tapir which is a browsing mammal similar to a pig. There is a South American Tapir. Tepig&#039;s coloring is similar to the Asian Malayan Tapir, though I realize this may be coincidence as Asia is not in South America. ;)&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_Tapir&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Tapir&lt;br /&gt;
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Oshawott may be based on the Marine Otter if my theory is correct; not the Sea Otter. The Marine Otter is native to South American shores and is the most marine of all South American otter types. Its name also sounds &#039;&#039;an awful lot&#039;&#039; like &amp;quot;Ocelot&amp;quot; (native to South/Central Americas), which I found odd because it is obviously based on the otter. But Wikipedia states that the Marine Otter&#039;s colloquial nickname is &amp;quot;Gato Marino&amp;quot; which means &amp;quot;marine cat&amp;quot;. Coincidence? I think Oshanott!&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_otter&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot&lt;br /&gt;
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Just sayin&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:GrowlitheandEkans|GrowlitheandEkans]] 03:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I think those actually are just that: coincidences. You&#039;re basing a lot of those assumptions on the English names, while the Japanese names suggest no such basis. I also think Oshawott&#039;s name is meant to be pronounced like &amp;quot;ocean&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;ocelot&amp;quot;. And appearance-wise, Oshawott is clearly more similar to a sea otter than to a marine otter. And Tepig clearly comes from &amp;quot;tepid&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;pig&amp;quot; rather than tapir; again, it very clearly looks like a pig, while tapirs look far different. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;P&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;K&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;N&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin==&lt;br /&gt;
There are too many speculations of &amp;quot;Derr, uhh, well, it could be this!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
If we don&#039;t know, we dont know.&lt;br /&gt;
Otherwise let&#039;s do some actual research to figure out where the name comes from and get rid of all these groundless speculations[[User:Bug Catcher Wade|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: Purple;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Bug Catcher Wade&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 05:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible Inspiration for Oshawott ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Origin section of Oshawott&#039;s article, I added in that his design is possibly also inspired by the way otters rest on their backs in the water and lay shells on their stomachs. I thought this was its obvious origin and was surprised when it wasn&#039;t already there. [[User:Grei|Grei]] 17:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork problem? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Uhm, the Oshawott picture caption says &amp;quot;from Black and White 2&amp;quot; (like, both games) and the artwork shown is Oshawotts BW1 artwork. Someone gonna fix something? I can&#039;t. {{unsigned|Pinkolol16}}&lt;br /&gt;
:You need to refresh the page. I see the new image. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#33CC66;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ケンジ&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6600CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;の&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ガール&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==File not showing up==&lt;br /&gt;
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The artwork won&#039;t show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter&#039;s artwork. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has not been uploaded yet. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00AF33;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;☆&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F8D030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Cool&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0098d8;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ピカチュウ!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, I&#039;m sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==500==&lt;br /&gt;
It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon {{unsigned|DSDark}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. At the moment we don&#039;t know that for sure, and once we do it&#039;ll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there&#039;ll be no need. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It&#039;s like saying we don&#039;t know that you&#039;ll be able to buy Poké Balls. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. Have something like &amp;quot;Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex.&amp;quot; [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s some trivia relating this: Mijumaru is one of two starter Pokémon to have a National Pokédex number that is divisible by 100, the other being Turtwig. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy Appletree]] 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Turtwig isn&#039;t the 400th, it&#039;s Piplup. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::First, do not reply to old comments. Second, you&#039;re actually wrong. Piplup is 393, Chimchar is 390, and Turtwig is 387. 400 is Bibarel. [[User:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#CD7F32&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Turtwig&#039;s&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF7F00&amp;quot;&amp;gt;A-B-Cs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]) 23:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mudkip wasn&#039;t a reptile though, it&#039;s amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn&#039;t matter... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, mudskippers are fish. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, my bad, but they&#039;re still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Amphibians are not fish, nor are fish amphibians, though I do see what you are trying to say. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 08:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some Trivia revealed through Anime Video: Mijumaru here has FANGS. --Dermodio 14:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are reptiles, mudskippers are not, a little bit of research shows that.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:45, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where does the name come from? [[User:Eddie Blake|Eddie Blake]] 15:11PM, 13 May 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. {{unsigned|Don&#039;t Hug Lucario!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Should someone add that, or are we waiting? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If I may add, the &#039;maru&#039; in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that &#039;maru&#039; can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;丸&amp;quot; (まる, &#039;&#039;maru&#039;&#039;) means &amp;quot;circle&amp;quot;. The other two B&amp;amp;W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, &#039;&#039;mijuku&#039;&#039;) does indeed mean immature. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Name origin currently lists &#039;mizu&#039;. Can an admin add the extra about &#039;mijuku&#039; please? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The ending &amp;quot;maru&amp;quot; is also a suffix of many Japanese ships {{unsigned|Snozzardi}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Another possibility: {{wp|Ring of Bright Water}} is a novel/movie about a man who finds and adopts an otter named Mijbil, nicknamed Mij. Phonetically, Mijbil would likely be &#039;&#039;Mijubiru&#039;&#039;, with Mij being &#039;&#039;Miju&#039;&#039;. Add the common name suffix -maru for distinct distancing (re: Abra line Japanese name controversy). It can&#039;t be a coincidence. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Height and Weight ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Got this from Pokebeach: &lt;br /&gt;
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Height: 0.5m (1.6ft)&lt;br /&gt;
Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why did it get deleted?  [[User:Taromon777|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;T a r o m o n&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn&#039;t showing up coz of sync issues :( &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Uhm...==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Spr_3r_000.png|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno?  --[[User:Gen1king|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F08030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;GE&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Gen1king|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CC0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;N1&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;KI&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#330000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;NG&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s a placeholder. We don&#039;t know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... [[User:CuboneKing|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Cu&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Tan&amp;quot;&amp;gt;bo&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Green color light&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ne&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;King&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|right|200px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex?  Not this whole image of course, but I couldn&#039;t find the clean sprite by itself.  Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! [[User:Taromon777|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;T a r o m o n&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Couldn&#039;t we just link them as [[image:501.png]] and [[image:502.png]]? It&#039;s done for Mijumaru iself. [[User:Takharii|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#B69E00;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;Takharii&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;~&#039;&#039;&#039; [[User talk:Takharii|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#929292;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;Talk!&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Moves==&lt;br /&gt;
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This pokemon knows Water Pulse... [[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And just how do you know that? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Mijumaru can also learn Shell Blade, as Munna&#039;s Forewarn ability alerted it to the move. {{unsigned|Snozzardi}}&lt;br /&gt;
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It also learns Revenge, the moves were shown on youtube vids....[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 18:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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which will not be added until the games come out..... -__- [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Physiology for the admins to implement==&lt;br /&gt;
Mijumaru is a bipedal sea otter-like Pokémon, primarily light blue, dark blue, and white in coloration. Mijumaru has a rounded, spherical white head, with small, triangular dark-blue ears to the sides. Mijumaru’s eyes are large, dark, and ovular in shape; its dark-orange nose is shaped like an oval tilted to the side. Mijumaru also possesses speckles to the sides of its face, most likely meant to be a stylistic implication of short whiskers in the common manner of cartoon canines, and light blue bubble-esque features composing a “collar” around its neck. Mijumaru’s torso is light blue, and decorated with a pale yellow seashell feature in the center. Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet---having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits---colored dark blue. Mijumaru also possesses a slightly plank-shaped dark blue tail. (I should facilitate my efforts before other persons fill in Physiology sections before me...)  [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks again Steph, these are so well written! &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s perfect. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♫♪&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00FA9A;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Ady&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F9;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Niz&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♪♫&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 02:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The &amp;quot;---&amp;quot; looks unusual. Is it supposed to be some kind of wiki code that is broken? I think a simple dash (—) would be much better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 08:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Fixed. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 08:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::OK, can you put spaces around the dashes too please? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Those em dashes aren&#039;t supposed to have spaces between them and the word, so technically it is right how it is. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 09:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Evolution==&lt;br /&gt;
Mijumaru&#039;s evolutions name is Rakonosua (ラコノスア) Originating from rakka meaning Sea Otter in japanese &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from {{u|Vkickass}} ([[User talk:Vkickass|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vkickass|contribs]]) &#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:Is this from the anime beta art? [[User:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#CD7F32&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Turtwig&#039;s&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF7F00&amp;quot;&amp;gt;A-B-Cs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]) 23:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::What source did you get this name from? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 02:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the beta art, it took a little effort to read it, and i thought that it would be terribly wrong, but it ended up making sense[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 01:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It says ラコノスケ (Rakonosuke), not ラコノスア (Rakonosua) on the chart and seeing as how ツタージャ (Tsutarja) is nicknamed アイビー (Ivy) there, there is no guarantee that Rakonosuke is it&#039;s actual name and not a nickname. It would fit with Mijumaru especially considering that -maru is a Japanese male name suffix just as -(no)suke is, but the problem is that it could just be a nickname so It&#039;s best to just wait :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible new info ==&lt;br /&gt;
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speaking of it&#039;s evolution I came across a (fake or not who knows...) gif of it&#039;s evo..I&#039;m willing to bet it came from that black and white demo ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
:That sprite came from a devianArt user. [http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Mijumaru-evo-sprite-170196576?q=gallery%3APokemon-Diamond%2F4804376&amp;amp;qo=4 Here is the link]  --[[User:Crimsonnavy|Crimsonnavy]] 19:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Questions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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First question, why does Mijumaru&#039;s evolutions show up as the hack L? Shouldn&#039;t it show up as question marks? Putting it up as L might just confuse some people. Second question, how do you edit pages again? I noticed that there was no little &amp;quot;edit&amp;quot; at the end of each section so i was wondering. I was going to say that the feet resembled an otter&#039;s flippers. Thanks.  [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 22:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:To answer your questions, we don&#039;t have sprites for it&#039;s evolutions, that&#039;s why it shows up as a glitch. I don&#039;t know why it would confuse people, unless you really believe it evolves into a glitch Pokémon. Secondly, you can&#039;t edit this page because it&#039;s protected, like all new Pokémon pages. If you want something added then discuss it on it&#039;s talk page. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh ok thanks. Yeah the L doesn&#039;t confuse me but it might confuse another random person who knows ziltch about pokemon. So, lets discuss it now, I was thinking of adding in the info that its feet resemble an otter&#039;s flippers, who&#039;s for it? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 22:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That&#039;s a bit redundant, since it&#039;s already mentioned under it&#039;s origin that it&#039;s based on a Sea Otter. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 22:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think the question mark further up is alot more appropriate than the glitch sprite. A question mark would get instant recognition by any reader that the evolutions are unknown, which is what we should be shooting for.--[[User_talk:Jack Harkness|J.Harkness]] 22:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::@ Jello: True, I thought of that too, right after I posted that. @ J. Harkness: That’s exactly what I was thinking, and for the other starters of this region too. So here is how I think the second to last sentence should look. &amp;quot;Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet—having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits and the appearance of small flippers—colored dark blue.&amp;quot; [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 23:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Thanks for the suggestions, we&#039;ve gone around and changed the sprites to something more appropriate. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;[[User:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#90a8e0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;lo&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 23:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::...hack L? Kids these days... don&#039;t even know about Missingno... &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== About its National number ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. We know. {{p|Victini}} is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you&#039;d not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it&#039;s gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you&#039;d know there&#039;s 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like &amp;quot;let&#039;s see how many they added&amp;quot; and more like &amp;quot;oh, there&#039;s so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...&amp;quot;. Sure, futile anyway, given that we&#039;ll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we&#039;ve had since Gen I.&lt;br /&gt;
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Mijumaru, until further notice, is staying at #500. We cannot assume anything different than it being seventh after Arceus, just as Totodile is seventh after Mew, Mudkip is seventh after Celebi, and Piplup is seventh after Deoxys. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mammalian ==&lt;br /&gt;
I hate to be a stickler, but Pikachu is based off of a mammal. ----[[User:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:diamond&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Zewis&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]  [[User talk:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;9)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 00:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Technically, I think that piece of trivia doesn&#039;t include Pikachu; yes, it was the starter in Yellow, but it isn&#039;t an official &amp;quot;starter Pokémon&amp;quot; since it isn&#039;t one of the first three evolutionary lines in any regional Pokédex. But I do think the trivia about being the first non-Fire type mammalian starter could be removed. [[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 01:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, if we want to do this, Eevee from XD is a mammal, as well as as countless others from side series games.  But I think it should stay, a Yellow wasn&#039;t a regular version.----[[User:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:diamond&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Zewis&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]  [[User talk:Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;9)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 13:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Meowth thats right!&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; You are absoloutley correct. Though Perhps it could be changed to &amp;quot;The first Mamillian Starter &#039;&#039;from the main games&#039;&#039; not to be a fire type.&amp;quot; --Dermodio 14:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The problem with that is that Yellow, Colosseum, and XD are all considered &amp;quot;main series&amp;quot; games. So really there&#039;s no good way to include this.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 15:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Uh, yeah, about Mijumaru being the only water type mammal pokemon? He&#039;s not, what about Buizel and Floatzel, the other otter based water type pokemon?[[User:Ultimos-11|Ultimos-11]] 06:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Excuse me, but I think you should read &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039; trivia again.&lt;br /&gt;
:It says &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Mijimaru is the first &#039;&#039;&#039;Water-type starter Pokémon&#039;&#039;&#039; to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:So, we are talking about Water-&#039;&#039;&#039;Starter&#039;&#039;&#039; Pokémon not a normal water type. Buizel and Floatzel are not starters ya know. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♫♪&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00FA9A;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Ady&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Adyniz|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F9;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Niz&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♪♫&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 06:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;...as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type.&amp;quot; Um, Eevee, Pikachu, and others came before and are not Fire types. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ability ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Demo released for Black and White when this Pokémon enters battle it starts raining. That means it has the ability Drizzle. Can someone add that? &lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 01:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Mijumaru was sent in second; that means nothing. The player and Bel could have easily been on a route where it rains. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was a wild battle against that electric Zebra Pokémon. And there was clearly no rain in the overworld before the battle started. Could someone please translate the text in the wild battle screen?  --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 01:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::There is also rain in the battle between Mijumaru and Tsutarja at 0:25 in the video.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Actually, the more I look at the video, the more I think that since this is a demo, the rain might be an arbitrary addition to show weather effects in battle. It&#039;s raining in every battle that Mijumaru takes part in, but the hiragana doesn&#039;t match the Japanese for either Rain Dance or Drizzle.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Phantom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Junkie&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::But its still a version of the game. The developers aren&#039;t going to just make it rain in battle. If there smart they&#039;ll make the demo closest to the game as possible. --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 03:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you pay attention closely during the battle during the wild Shimama, you can see that the rain effect doesn&#039;t show up between turns, meaning that they either changed the weather mechanics so that you aren&#039;t reminded every turn about the weather, or that (natural) rain doesn&#039;t have an effect on the actual battle (as opposed to rain from Drizzle or Rain Dance). Of course, even that&#039;s speculation. In any case, it&#039;s not confirmed that Mijumaru has Drizzle, so we shouldn&#039;t put it on the article yet. &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family: Verdana;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;~ [[User:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0080ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;sol&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4090ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ar&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#a8d3ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;is&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 03:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Just thought I&#039;d add in here that with the [[n:Pokémon Sunday features new footage from Black and White|higher quality video]] that we&#039;ve gotten, you can clearly see the rain in the overworld. &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family: Verdana;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;~ [[User:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0080ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;sol&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4090ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ar&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#a8d3ff;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;is&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 04:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Okay I can see it now. Never mind. --[[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 13:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shell Blade ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It should be noted that Mijumaru&#039;s shell appears to be detachable, as it is holding it in the poster for [[Best Wishes]]. It seems likely this is how it will use its Shell Blade attack. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 06:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The preview for best wishes shows it using as a shield, so it shouldn&#039;t just say attacking....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Typo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Mijimaru&#039;&#039;&#039; is the first {{type|Water}} [[starter Pokémon]] to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the {{type|Fire}}.&lt;br /&gt;
:Can we get a &amp;quot;Miju&amp;quot; out of the &amp;quot;Miji&amp;quot;, please? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::After several conflicts, it&#039;s been fixed. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#00AF33;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;☆&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0098d9;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Cool&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F8D030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Pikachu!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 14:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ash&#039;s Mijumaru ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ash was seen commanding a Mijumaru and beating the smack out of Dento&#039;s Yanappu...so shouldnt sair Article be protected? (if it isnt already) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 11:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Way ahead of you there. &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 11:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Also, shouldn&#039;t it be added that a Mijumaru is owned by Ash in the anime section? --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 21:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s not confirmed, hence the protecting.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 22:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yeah I saw the trailer too. I saw a Yanappu then behind it I saw Dento so I guessed it was a gym battle then I thought it would be battling against Ash and then I saw a Mijumaru and just behind it I saw Ash!--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:pink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;KayKay&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:purple&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Chat to me!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 12:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*sigh* What have we explained over and over for years? WAIT UNTIL THE EPISODE AIRS. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#33CC66;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ケンジ&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6600CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;の&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ガール&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I know, I know--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:pink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;KayKay&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:purple&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Chat to me!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 23:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mijumaru and the evolution were made from the image of the Japan(samurai).  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It is described to the developer interview of the magazine named pokemon pia. &lt;br /&gt;
It is described that the animal that makes it to the theme is a sea otter and a sea dog. The sea dog will appear after it evolves. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:the heck is a sea dog? (all I get is actual pictures of dogs) so it&#039;s another fan interpretation proven correct? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was Sea lion(アシカ/ashika). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This makes the starter evos look more real.....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The mistake was able to be noticed thanks to you. I thank you.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Third evo type? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Has it been confimed that the third evolution is simply water, like it&#039;s listed under the evolution section? I only ask because it may have a secondary type and we probably shouldn&#039;t list it as Water until confirmed otherwise. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 16:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:1. no and 2. no starter changes it&#039;s primary type..ever...and never will...when it&#039;s fully revealed it&#039;ll be changed..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special Abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
Would it be okay to mention that the shell on Mijumaru&#039;s belly is able to be removed and used as a weapon? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 13:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;lt;code&amp;gt;a pale yellow seashell feature in the center, which can be removed and used in various ways.&amp;lt;/code&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Read article first.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#C11B17&amp;quot;&amp;gt;でんのう&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#347C2C&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☢&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;  [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#151B8D&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Z&#039;&#039;&#039;えんし&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 14:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware of that but... because this is an ability that is most likely uniqu to the Mijumaru family I think it would fit better under Special Abilities. Could we move the part about it being used as a tool? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 00:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== English name ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The English name for it is Oshawott, as said on the official site. It&#039;s [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 23:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Originwise... surely it&#039;s a sort of spoonerism of &amp;quot;Ottawosh?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Otter&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Wash,&amp;quot; but with the syllables mixed up. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Really? I could have thought it was a mix of &amp;quot;ocean&amp;quot; (or at least the way it sounds), and &amp;quot;water&amp;quot;+&amp;quot;otter&amp;quot;, shortened, obviously. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 00:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I&#039;m pretty sure Oshawott is a combination of &#039;&#039;{{wp|Oshawa}}&#039;&#039;, a city in Ontario Canada, and &#039;&#039;Otter&#039;&#039;. It&#039;s also possibly a pun of &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;Ocean water&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 01:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I&#039;d agree, as Oshawa can mean &amp;quot;The crossing place&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Crossing the river&amp;quot;, and it was along a major fur trading route. --[[User:Dragoon|Dragoon]] 18:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*should it be a trivia that Oshawatt is the only obtainable starter that starts with a vowel.[[User:Ashanddawn4evr|Ashanddawn4evr]] 00:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Somehow I don&#039;t think this should go under &amp;quot;Pokemon with unknown English names&amp;quot; anymore. &amp;gt;_&amp;gt; -[[User:57|5]][[User talk:57|7]] 01:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe its name is based on OSHA. It&#039;s the Occupational Safety and Health Administration Water Otter. He walks around with a clipboard, and hands out OSHA violation notices. (This is a joke.) [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Jokes belong on the forums, not on article talk pages. In all seriousness, I think it comes from &#039;&#039;Ocean&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;otter&#039;&#039;. No idea where the W comes from. Water maybe? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;P&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;K&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;N&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Oshawott name origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Has anyone considered that its English name may come from Ocean + Shell + Water + Otter? I think that shell is where the &amp;quot;sh&amp;quot; comes from and then it is combined with the similar sound in &amp;quot;ocean&amp;quot;. I think the &amp;quot;wott&amp;quot; just comes from water and otter. [[User:NightSky|NightSky]] 18:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Kind of possible, might be a pun on multiple things including that, and not just that.--[[User:Dragoon|Dragoon]] 18:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere about Oshawa meaning &amp;quot;crossing the river&amp;quot; in one of the native american languages. Possibility here? --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] 02:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It does not - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m pretty sure the &#039;Osha&#039; comes from the city in Canada or perhaps George Ohsawa. Look him up on Wiki, he was born to a poor samurai family, which may be the reference. I think the best idea would to include all of these possibilities. MoonlitEevee 03:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I read this somewhere and I&#039;m just throwing it here, because I think it seems fitting: &#039;&#039;ocean&#039;&#039; + &#039;&#039;shell&#039;&#039; + &#039;&#039;water&#039;&#039; + &#039;&#039;otter&#039;&#039; = Oshawott. [[User:Nick.|Nick.]], &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; 04:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I think that the name orgin being a combination of George Ohsawa a samurai and otter make the most sence. Look at it&#039;s evolutions they highly resemble samurai. {{unsigned|Pokemaster97}}&lt;br /&gt;
:: The only problem with that is that &amp;quot;Ohsawa&amp;quot; is not the same thing as &amp;quot;Oshawa&amp;quot;. Although they seem like a typo away, they mean very different things. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 05:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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this what my prediction that i have put in bulba forums the other day:&lt;br /&gt;
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oshare(properly dressed up) + wotter(old word for water) or oshaburi(pacifier) + wotter(old word for water) hope it will help. oshare and oshaburi are both Japanese words maybe symbolizing he is based on Japanese samurai.[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 10:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m pretty sure the &amp;quot;wott&amp;quot; part of its name doesn&#039;t come out of &amp;quot;water&amp;quot; or anything, as it is pronounced &amp;quot;vot&amp;quot; as a german w (v, or b if you would) It&#039;s /oshavot/. So let&#039;s keep thinking... [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 07:19, 21 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Where did you get the idea that it&#039;s pronounced like a V? Watch the [[BW001|first episode of the Black and White series of the anime]]. Professor Juniper clearly pronounces the W the way normal English speakers would. It&#039;s pronounced in &amp;quot;Oshawott&amp;quot; the same way it is in &amp;quot;water&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;wonder&amp;quot;.--[[User:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#7F7F7F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;726&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User talk:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007100&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;(T&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#DF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;AL&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000A0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;K)&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Admin? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can an admin look over the name origin section in the trivia to see if everything in it is right? Right now it just seems like some of the info isn&#039;t notable enough. --[[User:Landfish7|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Land&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;fish7&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:We don&#039;t know the name orgins because we are not the creators. It&#039;s basicly common sense and opinion so there really isn&#039;t right or wrong. People who don&#039;t know relly needs to stop editing the page before it get&#039;s blocked. :\ [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 23:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its worth pointing out that Oshawott is the first starter&#039;s name, in National dex order, since Totodile to have more than 2 syllables? [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 15:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is an interesting find, but it&#039;s like saying Oshawott is the first starter&#039;s name to begin with a vowel -- not that important enough to warrant an edit. HADAA 21:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== German Name Origin? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m thinking that the German name could be a combination of otter and taro, another common suffix in Japanese boy names. Taro can also mean boy, so I guess they&#039;re suggesting &amp;quot;Otter Boy&amp;quot;. Yes I realize that this origin seems pretty obvious, I just figured I would note this before adding it in. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 07:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shell Name ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The shell on its belly was given a term in Oak&#039;s Live Caster in [[BW006]]. Anyone care to translate it?&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Cracked; font-size:125%&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#303030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;tc&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;[[User:Tc26|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#e03828;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;²₆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#303030;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;tc&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User:Tc26/Sandbox|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#e03828;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;26&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 03:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:He says that it&#039;s called {{tt|ほたち|hotachi}}, but I believe he wanted to say {{tt|帆立|ほたて, hotate}} which means &#039;&#039;scallop&#039;&#039;. Since the kanji 立 can be read the two way (たち or たて), it seems there&#039;s no problem using the first one. --[[User:Blow|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Blow&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &#039;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:Blow|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;話す&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]])&#039;&#039;&#039; 15:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The Japanese pronounciation for 帆立 is hotate, and cannot be hotachi. According to speculations by Japanese bloggers, Oshawott&#039;s {{tt|ホタチ|hotachi}} is an invented term, which is a combination of {{tt|帆立|ほたて, hotate}}, &#039;&#039;scallop&#039;&#039;, and {{tt|太刀|たち, tachi}}, &#039;&#039;Japanese sword&#039;&#039;. It can be translated as a &amp;quot;scallopblade&amp;quot; or a &amp;quot;scallopsword&amp;quot;, but I don&#039;t really care which one we use. HADAA 21:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It is a combination of &amp;quot;Hotate(Scallop)&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Tachi(Sword)&amp;quot;.　The Japanese culture that gave the sword the name was adopted.[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/sp/index5.html] [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::A bit late, but the English dub of [[BW003]] named it as the &amp;quot;Scalchop&amp;quot;.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 18:48, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible Reference Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Oshawott looks strikingly similar to the character Pascal in Animal Crossing with the exception of the nose style and Pascal is red. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 22:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The only things that are really similar between the two is the shell and the size of the head. Otherwise, they really aren&#039;t that similar. Not notable, in my opinion.--[[User:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#7F7F7F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;726&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User talk:Alex726|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007100&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;(T&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#DF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;AL&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000A0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;K)&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 02:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:They&#039;re both otters, everything about the body size is proportional, eyes are relatively the same except Oshawott&#039;s are a tiny bit more oval-shaped, same shaped mouth, and most importantly, the shell. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 15:47, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crystal party sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
http://rghost.ru/4447715/image.png &amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;In {{v|Crystal}} all pokemon from humanshape egg group had the same sprite, as for me, this sprite resembles Oshawott... &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;amp;forall;&amp;lt;tt&amp;gt;[[User:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;ЫъГѣ&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;exist;[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;Talk page&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/tt&amp;gt;  18:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was supposed to resemble Mr. Mime, but I see what you mean.  There is a resemblence, definitely.  I&#039;d say worth a mention in trivia, at the very least.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 18:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Coincidence. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Doesn&#039;t mean it shouldn&#039;t be added.  It&#039;s only the trivia section we&#039;re talking here, and I&#039;m sure this isn&#039;t the first coincidence to be identified via a page&#039;s trivia section.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 19:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Of course it is coincidence. Thats exactly my point actually. Since I found support, I&#039;ll add it. &amp;amp;mdash; &amp;amp;forall;&amp;lt;tt&amp;gt;[[User:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;ЫъГѣ&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] &amp;amp;exist;[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;u&amp;gt;Talk page&amp;lt;/u&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/tt&amp;gt;  19:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It&#039;s an opinion. It&#039;s supposed to be Mr. Mime and nothing more. It&#039;s isn&#039;t worth mentioning. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#33CC66;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ケンジ&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6600CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;の&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ガール&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 19:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please look into these ideas and help me:&lt;br /&gt;
Snivy&#039;s decided snake of origin is listed as the Green Vine Snake which is native to the South and Central Americas.&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Vine_Snake&lt;br /&gt;
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Tepig&#039;s name sounds like Tapir which is a browsing mammal similar to a pig. There is a South American Tapir. Tepig&#039;s coloring is similar to the Asian Malayan Tapir, though I realize this may be coincidence as Asia is not in South America. ;)&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_Tapir&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Tapir&lt;br /&gt;
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Oshawott may be based on the Marine Otter if my theory is correct; not the Sea Otter. The Marine Otter is native to South American shores and is the most marine of all South American otter types. Its name also sounds &#039;&#039;an awful lot&#039;&#039; like &amp;quot;Ocelot&amp;quot; (native to South/Central Americas), which I found odd because it is obviously based on the otter. But Wikipedia states that the Marine Otter&#039;s colloquial nickname is &amp;quot;Gato Marino&amp;quot; which means &amp;quot;marine cat&amp;quot;. Coincidence? I think Oshanott!&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot&lt;br /&gt;
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Just sayin&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:GrowlitheandEkans|GrowlitheandEkans]] 03:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I think those actually are just that: coincidences. You&#039;re basing a lot of those assumptions on the English names, while the Japanese names suggest no such basis. I also think Oshawott&#039;s name is meant to be pronounced like &amp;quot;ocean&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;ocelot&amp;quot;. And appearance-wise, Oshawott is clearly more similar to a sea otter than to a marine otter. And Tepig clearly comes from &amp;quot;tepid&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;pig&amp;quot; rather than tapir; again, it very clearly looks like a pig, while tapirs look far different. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;P&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;K&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;N&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin==&lt;br /&gt;
There are too many speculations of &amp;quot;Derr, uhh, well, it could be this!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
If we don&#039;t know, we dont know.&lt;br /&gt;
Otherwise let&#039;s do some actual research to figure out where the name comes from and get rid of all these groundless speculations[[User:Bug Catcher Wade|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: Purple;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Bug Catcher Wade&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 05:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible Inspiration for Oshawott ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Origin section of Oshawott&#039;s article, I added in that his design is possibly also inspired by the way otters rest on their backs in the water and lay shells on their stomachs. I thought this was its obvious origin and was surprised when it wasn&#039;t already there. [[User:Grei|Grei]] 17:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork problem? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Uhm, the Oshawott picture caption says &amp;quot;from Black and White 2&amp;quot; (like, both games) and the artwork shown is Oshawotts BW1 artwork. Someone gonna fix something? I can&#039;t. {{unsigned|Pinkolol16}}&lt;br /&gt;
:You need to refresh the page. I see the new image. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#33CC66;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ケンジ&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6600CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;の&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00CC;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ガール&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 09:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tyranitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&amp;diff=1976493</id>
		<title>Talk:Tyranitar (Pokémon)</title>
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		<updated>2013-09-29T19:40:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Origin specificity? */&lt;/p&gt;
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== Bias ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited this page because it appeared biased. Tyranitar are not evil Pokémon. As far as I know, the only truly evil Pokémon is {{p|Spiritomb}}. {{unsigned|Ettina}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== 3D Shiny? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Kind of old but should it be noted that in both Pokemon Stadium games that Tyranitar&#039;s shiny status in them is pink? [[User:ShinyGlaceon|ShinyGlaceon]] 19:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Physiology Edit ==&lt;br /&gt;
I edited the physiology to change &amp;quot;roof and bottom of the mouth&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;upper and lower jaws&amp;quot; because it sounded rather awkward before.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 06:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special Abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
Under the description, it says, &amp;quot;Like other Dragon Pokemon...&amp;quot; Is this imply it is dragon-like or Dragon-type? If it is the latter, should it be changed? [[User:Sparky elemental|Sparky]] 14:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Tyranitar isn&#039;t a Dragon-type. Note that it actually says &amp;quot;Like some Dragon Pokémon&amp;quot;; i.e. that Tyranitar is being compared to Dragons. &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 20:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Sorry, I misread it. [[User:Sparky elemental|Sparky]] 13:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Uh....... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think someone mentioned this on Metagross&#039;s talk page but doesn&#039;t Tyranitar, along with Dragonite, have a rare chance of appearing in the wild in B/W by shaking grass spots? Serebii says Route 15 but can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Black and White Locations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have Pokemon White version and I caught a Tyranitar at lvl 50 in Route 15, where all those hiker people are and you have to use strength on the boulders. It&#039;s hard to find though, it&#039;s rare. There are also wild Pupitars too, they&#039;re slightly rare.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Nyororas|Nyororas]] 07:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It&#039;s there already. --[[User:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#424B50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#848A8D&amp;quot;&amp;gt;orce&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E3CED0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#EDDFE0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ire&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What looks like a pupitar is on tyrantar&#039;s chest. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should we include this in physiology? [[User:Nightgrey|Nightgrey]] 03:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#424B50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#848A8D&amp;quot;&amp;gt;orce&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E3CED0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#EDDFE0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ire&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Highest Base stat Total ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t it be noted that he has the highest base stat total of all Rock type, Despite that he is not a legendary Pokmeon&lt;br /&gt;
Also the same for Dark types along with Hydreigon. --[[User:Hydra3dragon|$%$HYDRA3DRAGON$%$]] ([[User talk:Hydra3dragon|talk]]) 06:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tyranitar&#039;s armor ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Have any of you guys notice that Tyranitar&#039;s upper armor is not connected to the lower armor.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 13:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato&lt;br /&gt;
:Do you have a point? [[User:Nepse|Nepse]] ([[User talk:Nepse|talk]]) 13:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Origin specificity? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t it be mentioned more specifically that Tyranitar is also based off a {{wp|Tyrannosaurus}} like Godzilla was? Or is that a bit much? Just wondering since the way it was written seems fine, but someone said in an edit about the whole T-rex thing.  I don&#039;t know. :/ ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 19:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn&#039;t the reference to Godzilla not supposed to be there unless explicitly stated? Volcarona, Hydreigon, and the Nidos have the&#039;re pop culture character referennces removed. [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Jetison</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tyranitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&amp;diff=1976492</id>
		<title>Talk:Tyranitar (Pokémon)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Origin specificity? */&lt;/p&gt;
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== Bias ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited this page because it appeared biased. Tyranitar are not evil Pokémon. As far as I know, the only truly evil Pokémon is {{p|Spiritomb}}. {{unsigned|Ettina}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== 3D Shiny? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Kind of old but should it be noted that in both Pokemon Stadium games that Tyranitar&#039;s shiny status in them is pink? [[User:ShinyGlaceon|ShinyGlaceon]] 19:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Physiology Edit ==&lt;br /&gt;
I edited the physiology to change &amp;quot;roof and bottom of the mouth&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;upper and lower jaws&amp;quot; because it sounded rather awkward before.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 06:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special Abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
Under the description, it says, &amp;quot;Like other Dragon Pokemon...&amp;quot; Is this imply it is dragon-like or Dragon-type? If it is the latter, should it be changed? [[User:Sparky elemental|Sparky]] 14:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Tyranitar isn&#039;t a Dragon-type. Note that it actually says &amp;quot;Like some Dragon Pokémon&amp;quot;; i.e. that Tyranitar is being compared to Dragons. &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 20:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Sorry, I misread it. [[User:Sparky elemental|Sparky]] 13:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Uh....... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think someone mentioned this on Metagross&#039;s talk page but doesn&#039;t Tyranitar, along with Dragonite, have a rare chance of appearing in the wild in B/W by shaking grass spots? Serebii says Route 15 but can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Black and White Locations ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have Pokemon White version and I caught a Tyranitar at lvl 50 in Route 15, where all those hiker people are and you have to use strength on the boulders. It&#039;s hard to find though, it&#039;s rare. There are also wild Pupitars too, they&#039;re slightly rare.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Nyororas|Nyororas]] 07:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It&#039;s there already. --[[User:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#424B50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#848A8D&amp;quot;&amp;gt;orce&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E3CED0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#EDDFE0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ire&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What looks like a pupitar is on tyrantar&#039;s chest. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should we include this in physiology? [[User:Nightgrey|Nightgrey]] 03:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#424B50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#848A8D&amp;quot;&amp;gt;orce&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E3CED0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;F&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#EDDFE0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;ire&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Highest Base stat Total ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t it be noted that he has the highest base stat total of all Rock type, Despite that he is not a legendary Pokmeon&lt;br /&gt;
Also the same for Dark types along with Hydreigon. --[[User:Hydra3dragon|$%$HYDRA3DRAGON$%$]] ([[User talk:Hydra3dragon|talk]]) 06:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tyranitar&#039;s armor ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Have any of you guys notice that Tyranitar&#039;s upper armor is not connected to the lower armor.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 13:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato&lt;br /&gt;
:Do you have a point? [[User:Nepse|Nepse]] ([[User talk:Nepse|talk]]) 13:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Origin specificity? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t it be mentioned more specifically that Tyranitar is also based off a {{wp|Tyrannosaurus}} like Godzilla was? Or is that a bit much? Just wondering since the way it was written seems fine, but someone said in an edit about the whole T-rex thing.  I don&#039;t know. :/ ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 19:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Isn&#039;t the reference to Godzilla not supposed to be there unless explicitly stated? Volcarona, Hydreigon, and the Nidos have the&#039;re pop culture character referennces removed. [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chespin_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&amp;diff=1969459</id>
		<title>Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:EricZangano|EricZangano]] ([[User talk:EricZangano|talk]]) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: Created page with &amp;quot;Why no mention that it&amp;#039;s the first dinosaur  fossil? (~~~~).&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Design Origin */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:EricZangano|EricZangano]] ([[User talk:EricZangano|talk]]) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* German: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;???&#039;&#039;&#039; --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gender ratio==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Numbering ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pokédex ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Design Origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 18:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Was&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Language correction  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Feel more comfortable saying, &amp;quot;based on a mammal&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;not based on a reptile&amp;quot; ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ).  Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a &amp;quot;reptile&amp;quot; for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is &#039;&#039;partly&#039;&#039; reptilian in  design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: &amp;quot;Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.&amp;quot;. This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[:Category:Generation VI Pokémon]] needs to be added to the starters&#039; pages. I&#039;d have done it myself, but the pages are protected --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called &amp;quot;Chestpin&amp;quot; which I think is an error. I can&#039;t correct it because the page is protected. [[User:Water Max|Water Max]] ([[User talk:Water Max|talk]]) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] ([[User talk:Dragonace|talk]]) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think [[User:Milde|Milde]] was right, is a porcupine (Spanish &amp;quot;puercoeSPIN&amp;quot;) like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn&#039;t be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for &#039;Porcupine&#039;), they&#039;ve used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn&#039;t be that weird that they do that in this case. [[User:KyseL|KyseL]] ([[User talk:KyseL|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Chespin&amp;quot; is also an anagram of the word &amp;quot;pinches.&amp;quot; A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I&#039;m aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I&#039;ve got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* French: From hedgehog and chestnut&lt;br /&gt;
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* English: From chestnut and pin?&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I&#039;d not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there&#039;s got to be something clever going on with that name, it can&#039;t be from &amp;quot;pin,&amp;quot; why would it be from &amp;quot;pin?&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Pinches&amp;quot; is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it&#039;s &amp;quot;Pin&amp;quot; as in &amp;quot;Porcupine?&amp;quot; With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don&#039;t know. I think Chespin&#039;s going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn&#039;t urchin a sea thing? --&amp;lt;font face=&amp;quot;Britannic Bold&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#6CB3E3;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Pen&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:PenblooeR|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#4B81A4&amp;quot;&amp;gt;BlooeR&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but &amp;quot;Chestpine&amp;quot; wasn&#039;t good enough, so they removed the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, since the sound is still the same. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages&#039; hedgehog theme. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#DAA520;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Golden&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#78C850;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Celebi&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It&#039;s got that &amp;quot;in&amp;quot; at the end. That&#039;s all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.[[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Chespin&#039;s English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with &#039;in&#039; (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is &#039;la&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is &#039;bouqu&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I&#039;ve also heard rumors that Chespin&#039;s evolution is called &#039;Chespinne&#039; which would be the natural French feminine form of &#039;Chespin&#039;, like a female rabbit is &#039;lapine&#039; and a female lion is &#039;lionne&#039; (the male form being &#039;lion&#039;). There&#039;s just something about Chespin&#039;s name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix &#039;in&#039; seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. &lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word &#039;marron&#039; does not only mean &#039;chestnut&#039; but also &#039;brown&#039;, the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word &#039;maroon&#039;. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut.&lt;br /&gt;
Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of &#039;urchin&#039; in English is &#039;a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed&#039; or &#039;a street boy&#039; which would translate into &#039;gallo&#039;&#039;&#039;pin&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; in French, according to google translate. &#039;Gallopin&#039; is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English &#039;lout&#039; or &#039;guttersnipe&#039;. Another French word for the same concept is &#039;gam&#039;&#039;&#039;in&#039;&#039;&#039;. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there&#039;s likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. {{unsigned|Fredhigh}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we sure that&#039;s the gender ratio? We&#039;re not assuming it has {{a|Overgrow}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it&#039;s 650? --[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Snivy isn&#039;t 494, Victini is. We can&#039;t make any assumptions. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus for all we know they might change up the order.  Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. [[User:PokemonSeaandSky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? [[User:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Patty&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog?&lt;br /&gt;
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*Yeah, it should also be trivia&#039;d that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:* Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal.  Weren&#039;t {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Chikorita}} based more on an amphibian and a {{wp|sauropod}} respectively?  Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;need to brush up on my zoology&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they&#039;re not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90&#039;s that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn&#039;t change in one of it&#039;s evolutions. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::* I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Rather, they represent a separate group of &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; with a distinct upright posture&amp;quot;. So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s enough to simply say it&#039;s the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It&#039;s a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::They&#039;re both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It&#039;s pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That&#039;s an information you can&#039;t grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, &#039;&#039;they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is &#039;&#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039;&#039; the first mammal&#039;&#039;. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::*Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit.  Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, {{p|Piplup}} was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile.  Same with {{p|Oshawott}} who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile.  Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn&#039;t false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal.  Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal.  And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about {{p|Mudkip}}), the reason why I wasn&#039;t sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I&#039;m sure there is more to it than just than).  Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of &amp;quot;flip-flopping&amp;quot; in the sorting of these animals.  And {{p|Bulbasaur}}, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its &amp;quot;frog-like&amp;quot; posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like {{p|Psyduck}} or {{p|Golduck}}).  But I digress, let&#039;s just stick with the &amp;quot;first mammal&amp;quot; bit, it isn&#039;t going to hurt anybody.  If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://i45.tinypic.com/b4wcwh.jpg Possible design origin]. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it&#039;s pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I&#039;m with the others in thinking that the origin section should say &amp;quot;porcupine or hedgehog&amp;quot;. While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn&#039;t mention either.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Was this whole section not started at the &#039;&#039;top&#039;&#039; of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
What&#039;s your point? At this point I&#039;m assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these &amp;quot;old&amp;quot; X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I&#039;ll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I&#039;m not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don&#039; know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period.  Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last sentence of the introduction, the word &amp;quot;were&amp;quot; should be replaced by &amp;quot;was&amp;quot; -- just a grammatical fix. [[User:EricDLee|EricDLee]] ([[User talk:EricDLee|talk]]) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now my French isn&#039;t that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marron_(fruit) Wikipedia], it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--[[User:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Mister&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#008000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;E&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#800080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;13&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don&#039;t we just say &amp;quot;Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile&amp;quot;?  [[User:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;deeppink&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Mes&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Mesuxelf|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;ux&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;elf&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. [[User:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #224a9a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #2b5fc7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;M&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;asatoshi&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #118eb2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;talk&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--[[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]] ([[User talk:Istanbul|talk]]) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Turtles are reptiles. -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Turtles are &#039;&#039;&#039;reptiles&#039;&#039;&#039; of the order Chelonii&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is.  It isn&#039;t a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don&#039;t think that is the focus.  It is the first grass starter mammal, let&#039;s just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that.  Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don&#039;t. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren&#039;t the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NateVirus&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;([[User talk:NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:green&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;|&#039;&#039;[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contributions&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Artwork showing old version? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I&#039;ve made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it&#039;s definitely not that. [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] ([[User talk:DisgruntledGoat|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== First not to be based on a mammal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not very specific isn&#039;t it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile [[User:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Diamond&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;yellow&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Lanturn&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;CodeName: 05308&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it&#039;s safer to assume &amp;quot;it is a mammal,&amp;quot; instead of assuming &amp;quot;it isn&#039;t a reptile.&amp;quot; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible addition to name origin... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Espinas is the spanish word for &amp;quot;thorns&amp;quot; and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the &amp;quot;che&amp;quot; from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn&#039;t put it on there unless it&#039;s confirmed that he is based off of a knight. [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*egads, why did this duplicate? [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(Nuvema Gym)]] 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn&#039;t even realize about pineapple xD [[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Special abilities ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should be added that &amp;quot;When attacked, it can protect itself using its shell&amp;quot;  and &amp;quot;The spikes on its head sharpen and harden when focusing power into them&amp;quot; in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Menu Sprite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is someone able to rip Chespin&#039;s menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Korean name for Chespin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Until the page gets unlocked... here&#039;s Chespin&#039;s [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039; -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took me a little bit, but here&#039;s what &#039;&#039;Dochimaron&#039;&#039;&#039;s name (most likely) comes from:&lt;br /&gt;
:* 고슴도치 &#039;&#039;goseumdochi&#039;&#039; (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 &#039;&#039;dochi&#039;&#039; part of it)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 침 &#039;&#039;chim&#039;&#039; (針, needle)&lt;br /&gt;
:* 마론 &#039;&#039;maron&#039;&#039; (French for chestnut)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== For the record... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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For the record, Chespin&#039;s Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it&#039;s national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{p|Victini|We don&#039;t assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Couldn&#039;t you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it&#039;s not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be speculation. It&#039;s better not to include information at all if it isn&#039;t definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit required- Pokédex classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon.  The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- &#039;&#039;unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sprites ==&lt;br /&gt;
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X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#9F00C5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Crystal&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF00FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talian&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brown spot  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y  just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it&#039;s pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here&#039;s] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a &amp;quot;[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]&amp;quot; version, if you&#039;d like.) --[[User:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:orange&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tails&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Tails0600|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;0600&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039; 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Jetison: /* Real-world evolution */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Ummmm.... The bit about Eevees at the end is plain wrong. Things don&#039;t evolve due to their environment. It is merely that the creatures that have a favourable variation survive to produce offspring and pass on their genes, and so more things have the variation than don&#039;t. This is like junior high-level knowledge. [[User:DanJimi|DanJimi]] 10:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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at the list of non-evolving pokemon, you see the last pkmn is aerodactyl but next to it is a picture of an kabutops&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phione ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I put Phione on the list of non evolving non legendaries, and it keeps getting removed.  WHY????  It&#039;s not as though Phione is legendary. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 02:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Because in some people&#039;s minds, it is legendary. :/ [[User:Tina|Tina]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 02:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But it&#039;s not confirmed to be legendary.  And IMO, the fact that one can recruit multiple Phione in MD2 PROVES conclusively that Phione is not a legendary (In the MD games, legendaries are strictly limited to one per game).  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;--&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;--&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Please see your talk page, Missigno.Master. --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Theryguy512|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF7F00&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Theryguy&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Theryguy512|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#5C8CFA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;5&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#5C8CFA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;1&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#5C8CFA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 15:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If it isn&#039;t a legendary, why is it banned from the battle tower? It&#039;s definitely not because of it&#039;s battle prowess. No. It&#039;s because it&#039;s normally unavailable in normal play. You still need access to Manaphy to get them.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s no legendary, but it&#039;s still an event Pokémon in a sense. - PDL&lt;br /&gt;
:The only Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are legendary. Phione is legendary, albeit the crappiest of them. Plus, Missingno Master, you might wanna do something OTHER than just adding Phione in there, such as, oh, changing the count to 43 and making it so the table isn&#039;t f&#039;d up.&lt;br /&gt;
:Plus, here&#039;s the thing: how much of a chance does Phione have of getting evolutionary relatives? ZERO! It has Manaphy. The other 42 have at least a chance of that.&lt;br /&gt;
:Jeez, I understand being the devil&#039;s advocate, but Phione just isn&#039;t worth it. It sucks in battle, sure, but so do many other legendaries. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#FF9030&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#664444&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E0E0E0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DS!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 08:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Devil&#039;s advocate? I wasn&#039;t suggesting that Phione should be listed &amp;gt;_&amp;gt;. However, I suppose I wasn&#039;t making myself clear enough. - PDL&lt;br /&gt;
:::No, the Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are in the Uber tier. Note that Cresselia isn&#039;t banned, it&#039;s in the OU tier as well. Is it legendary? Hell yeah. (Yet it can compete in Uber if it really wants to..) [[User:Tina|Tina]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 23:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::See, that&#039;s where fan definitions suck. Everything banned from the BT is legendary, the only exceptions to this are the normal legendary trios of each region (meaning, of course, that GKR and DPG aren&#039;t &#039;&#039;normal&#039;&#039; trios. They&#039;re mascot trios, though Giratina&#039;s not a mascot... but hey, it&#039;s a better name than other stuff), the Lati duo, Cressy, and Heatran. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#FF9030&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#664444&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E0E0E0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DS!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 23:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Ahem.  Phione is now officially not a legendary.  [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 1]  I take it this means I was justified in putting it back in the non-evolving non-legendary box thingy?  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;--&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;[[Glitch Pokémon]].  [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]].  There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;--&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Even if we assume that Phione is not legendary, which is unsubtantiated unless claimed or alluded to by the designers (that is, not any low-rank employee of an &#039;&#039;affiliated&#039;&#039; company), it still has no place on the list. The reason for this is that the list shows all Pokémon with &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; chance to evolve in later installments of the game. It has been observed, and in fact referenced in the Diamond and Pearl games, that legendaries need not evolve because they have reached their maximum potential as-is; therefore, there is no chance for any of the legendaries to evolve.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It so happens that regardless of whether Phione is classified as legendary or not, there is no reason to believe that it will ever evolve. If it were to evolve, it would evolve into Manaphy, as any other scenario would be cumbersome (a legendary spawning a species not from its own family). However, the reason behind the fact that Phione does not evolve into Manaphy, which is that Manaphy is unique, will continue to hold beyond the current generation. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 14:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Missingno. Master, you do realize that link confirms that Phione &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; a Legendary, right? [[User:Gligar|Gligar]] 15:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::This conversation is from six months ago.  Pokémon.com did list Phione as a non-legendary for a time, then changed it to a legendary status.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#003366&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;comic sans ms&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;$aturn&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#008000&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;comic sans ms&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;¥oshi&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#800000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;THE VOICES&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Anime Evolution==&lt;br /&gt;
In regards to the relation between the evolution in the anime than in the games. Wouldn&#039;t The anime be more reasonably sound than the games. Because I doubt that if Pokemon were real that most of these evolutions would occur exactly as in the games. The way I see it, the only reason why a certain Pokemon evolves the way it does in the game (with the exception of evolutionary stones and such) is to make it difficult for the player and it would be easier for a Pokemon Game developer if they limited it to one specific set of circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;
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Granted there are a few exceptions: Such as evolutionary stones, and specific locations for a Pokemon to evolve, and perhaps it knowing a certain move. Though with Evolutionary stones, in an episode it said that the wind was able to carry evolutionary stones, so couldn&#039;t certain Pokemon evolve that way when it appears it just evolves naturally or mysteriously?&lt;br /&gt;
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As for leveling up and trading, those just seem to make it more difficult for a trainer of the games to obtain Pokemon, that could easily be gotten by easier methods. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== new to community, first post ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d like to add my finding in, I thought evolution however I&#039;m not really sure how to add it in, and where it would go.  I was trying to figure out if a pokémon whose evolution has been delayed would be as strong as the same pokémon of the same level and a &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; evolution so what I did is I took a Pidgey and used rare candies to evolve it to 25 not allowing it to evolve until 27 the stats were as follows&lt;br /&gt;
71HP&lt;br /&gt;
39ATK&lt;br /&gt;
38DFNS&lt;br /&gt;
32SPATK&lt;br /&gt;
35SPDFNS&lt;br /&gt;
42Spd&lt;br /&gt;
I then reset the game&lt;br /&gt;
and gave the same pidgey rare candies this time allowing it the &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; evolution at level 18 when it got to level 25 the stats were as follows&lt;br /&gt;
71HP&lt;br /&gt;
39ATK&lt;br /&gt;
38DFNS&lt;br /&gt;
32SPATK&lt;br /&gt;
35SPDFNS&lt;br /&gt;
42Spd&lt;br /&gt;
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so we can infer that the level the pokémon evolves at does not affect the stats.  If anyone wants to suggest a heading to put this in, or even shorten it up, by all means&lt;br /&gt;
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== About the comment at the page bottom ==&lt;br /&gt;
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EVOLUTION IS NOT ABOUT CELL STRUCTURE. Eevee&#039;s evolution isn&#039;t akin AT ALL to real evolution. Evolution is triggered by Natural Selection, therefore, a single species cannot evolve. Only a population can. Just thought to make a side note. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 09:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree, I&#039;m a Biology student, evolution is about animals with favourable adaptations being statistically more likely to survive and so over many generations the favourable adaptations are spread throughout a population. Eevee&#039;s evolution is no way close enough to real evolution to get a mention, I will remove the sentence now... [[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 19:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== De-volution ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Umm... Is it worth metioning in the article that only mentioned instances of &amp;quot;de-volution&amp;quot; is in Slowbro&#039;s pokedex entries. (When it loses its shellder) --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 21:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: In the Pocket Monsters manga, It is also possible to De-volve as Isamu Akai&#039;s Clefairy evolved into a clefable and then back. Should this be added into the article as a subcategory, or as trivia? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 21:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gender-related evolutions ==&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s worth noting that some evolutions occur (or don&#039;t occur) if a pokemon&#039;s a certain gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Combee only evolves if it&#039;s female&lt;br /&gt;
* Kirlia will only evolve into a Gallade if it&#039;s male&lt;br /&gt;
* and Snorunt into Frosslass when female.&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought this would be in the article, but Combee wasn&#039;t mentioned at all. [[User:LordHeinz|LordHeinz]] 00:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:All fixed I hope. &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 00:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Generation IV: Vulpix and Growlithe ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Beginning with [[Generation IV]], it is now possible to get a Level 1 Ninetales/Arcanine by hatching a Vulpix/Growlithe Egg received from breeding and evolving the newly hatched Vulpix/Growlithe with a Fire Stone, making Vulpix and Growlithe the first Pokémon that can evolve to their final stage of evolution at the lowest level ever.&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, the greatest trade-off of such an extremely premature evolution can be a poor move set which is very severe for Ninetales since it doesn&#039;t have any moves that it can learn by leveling up. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 09:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: This severe trade-off, however, can be alleviated to some degree through Move Tutoring and the use of TM/HMs. Therefore, it is merely a matter of choice between high stats and a reliable move set for either Pokémon. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 10:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:They aren&#039;t the first to do this. I can&#039;t remember for sure off the top of my head, but so can Togepi, Budew, and... yeah, it&#039;s early right now. Sorry. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Togepi and Budew do need to level up to evolve; however, it&#039;s true that many Pokémon can now evolve at Level 1. Staryu, Scyther, Onix, Porygon AND Porygon 2... basically any Pokémon which can both hatch from an egg and evolve without leveling up. So no, this isn&#039;t too notable. Although, come to think of it, perhaps Porygon ought to be mentioned, seeing as it&#039;s the only one to be able to evolve twice without leveling up. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s noted on {{p|Porygon-Z}}&#039;s and {{p|Roserade}}&#039;s pages that they are the only two Fully evolved three-stage Pokémon which can be legitimately obtained at level 1, and I think it might be noted on some of the others&#039; pages that they can be legitimately obtained at level 1. Question is though, is it worth mentioning it here? Because it could be slightly irrelevant, as the ability to obtain them at level 1 isn&#039;t &#039;&#039;that much&#039;&#039; related to evolution. &amp;lt;sc&amp;gt;[[User:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#2D4B98;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Werdnae&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sc&amp;gt; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#009000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(talk)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 18:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Budew can&#039;t evolve at level 1 though, which is why Porygon&#039;s family is more notable. But, if we were to go with &amp;quot;fully evolved&amp;quot; instead of Porygon&#039;s family being able to evolve twice at level 1, then we could throw Budew&#039;s family in there. But I&#039;m more in favor of Porygon only. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Team Rocket|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #550000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;R.A.&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Hunter&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Blade&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 20:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Something like &amp;quot;Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z is the only Pokémon that can evolve twice and still be at level 1.&amp;quot; might fit nicely. &amp;amp;mdash;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-family:Verdana&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;darklord&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0047AB&amp;quot;&amp;gt;trom&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; 20:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I&#039;ve reevaluated the relevance and importance of this information and came to the conclusion that it is valuable to players who want to go for the &#039;&#039;&#039;highest possible Stats&#039;&#039;&#039; for those particular Pokémon.--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 03:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::It&#039;s possible to skip Budew altogether.  The only way to get it through breeding is through having one parent hold a rose incense. - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== A Generation V image can&#039;t be uploaded. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made an image which is about Snivy&#039;s evolution, but it can&#039;t be uploaded. It says &amp;quot;Error creating thumbnail:&amp;quot;. Is it too big? At first it was 2MB, but now it is 830KB but still can&#039;t be uploaded. What should I do?&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m sorry for my poor English.--[[User:847418742|Togekiss of Moon]] 12:13, 30 April 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Each generation introduces a new method of evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
Generation I introduces level-up, trading, and evolutionary stones. &lt;br /&gt;
Generation II introduces level-up with high happiness and trading while holding an item.&lt;br /&gt;
Generation III introduces level-up with high beauty condition. &lt;br /&gt;
Generation IV introduces level-up while knowing a certain move, level-up while holding a certain item, and level-up in a certain location. &lt;br /&gt;
Generation V introduces trading for a specific Pokémon.  Should I add this to the trivia? [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Evolution by level at level 100. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as I know, an evolution by level is triggered by an actual level-up sequence, thus a level 100 unevolved pokemon can&#039;t evolve by level. I couldn&#039;t find a mention of this in the article. Is it accurate, and should it be either denied or confirmed by the article? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 10:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, a level 100 Pokémon that evolves through level-up can&#039;t evolve.  I don&#039;t think that this is important enough to mention though... but that&#039;s just my opinion. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 02:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s implied in the [[Methods of evolution]] article, where it is stated that a Pokémon evolves due to three triggers, when being a level up. Obviously a Lv. 100 Pokémon cannot level up, so can&#039;t evolve if leveling up is their trigger. But I wouldn&#039;t know where to put it in this article. If the trigger is an [[evolutionary stone]] or a [[trade]], then it still can. [[User:Samjohn95|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Sam&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[User talk:Samjohn95|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Purple&amp;quot;&amp;gt;john&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;Teal&amp;quot;&amp;gt;95&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 23:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Real-world evolution==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;the existence of &amp;quot;extinct&amp;quot; Pokémon backs this up&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s completely wrong.  A species becoming extinct has nothing to do with evolution... it only has to do with evolving in the case that one species no longer exists because it became another species (like a mammoth evolving into an elephant).  If it&#039;s just gone then that means nothing... dinosaurs are extinct and they didn&#039;t evolve into anything.  Likewise, there&#039;s no evidence that the &amp;quot;extinct&amp;quot; Pokémon evolved into something else.  They most likely just died out completely unchanged. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 03:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The dinosaurs evolved into birds&lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 00:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alternate forms of evolution ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In Pokemon Snap, a Charmeleon evolves into Charizard if knocked into a vat of lava, and a Magikarp evolves into Gyarados if knocked into a waterfall. I believe these should be added. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 02:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Those aren&#039;t really conditions. Ash&#039;s Charmeleon evolved just because it was angry at an Aerodactyl and wanted to beat it in a fight. Magikarp seem to be able to evolve whenever they feel threatened as well, such as when James kicked his into the ocean in frustration. Evolution conditions aren&#039;t limited to how they work in the main games.  &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Team Rocket|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #550000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;R.A.&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Hunter&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Blade&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 05:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Halted Evolution - Bug? Safeguard? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So I was just playing through LeafGreen here, having a {{p|Beldum}} as my starter *cough*, when I got it to level 20 in Mt. Moon. It stopped evolving, and the only message was &amp;quot;?&amp;quot;. Was this maybe because I didn&#039;t have the National Pokédex yet? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 01:56, 14 April 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In FRLG, to stop you from getting Pokémon like &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Golbat&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; Crobat and Blissey prior to getting the National Pokédex, any Pokémon evolving into a non-Kanto Pokémon will not evolve if you don&#039;t have the National Pokédex. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#A70000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Snorlax&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000A7&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Monster&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 02:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Conquest: Warrior Transformation ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In Pokémon Conquest, Warrior Transformation is noted as being similar to Pokémon evolution. Does that deserve its own article, or should we make a section here? [[User:Giratina&#039;s Embodiment|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Giratina&#039;s Embodiment&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;- [[User talk:Giratina&#039;s Embodiment|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Please don&#039;t hurt us...&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 05:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mega Evolution ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know it&#039;s more of a form change, but I was just wondering how we are handling Mega Evolution. I&#039;m assuming it will get its own page, or at least own section of a page on either here or the form page. I&#039;d assume we should have a list of all Pokemon with Mega Evolution&#039;s. If someone&#039;s already working on this, I apologize, but I did a search and couldn&#039;t find anything.[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 06:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the admins are holding off on making any big decisions about it until we get the English-language information on it, which is expected in a few days. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:07, 9 August 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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