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Dialga (Pokémon)

2016-02-11T05:59:54Z

Jdogno4: There has been a discussion on this. It has seemingly run as much as it will likely ever.

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{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Dialga |
jname=ディアルガ |
jtranslit=Diaruga |
tmname=Dialga |
species=Temporal |
ndex=483 |
sdex=149 |
abrow=SP |
obrow=S-004 |
typebox=1 |
type1=Steel |
type2=Dragon |
height-ftin=17'09" |
height-m=5.4 |
weight-lbs=1505.8 |
weight-kg=683.0 |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Pressure |
abilityd=Telepathy |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Undiscovered |
eggcycles=121 |
evtotal=3 |
evsa=3 |
expyield=306 |
oldexp=220 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255 |
color=White |
catchrate=3 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=dialga |
generation=4 |
friendship=0 |
}}
'''Dialga''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ディアルガ''' ''Dialga'') is a dual-type {{2t|Steel|Dragon}} [[Legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

Dialga is the [[game mascot]] of {{game3|Diamond and Pearl|Pokémon Diamond|s}}, appearing on the boxart.

Along with {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Giratina}}, it is a member of the [[creation trio]] of [[Sinnoh]], representing time.

==Biology==
Dialga is a dark blue {{wp|sauropod}}-like Pokémon with some gray metallic portions, such as its chestplate, which has a diamond in the center. It also has various light blue stripes. It has a fin-like structure on its back and a crest on its head, resembling a dinosaur. Dialga also has two horns on top of its head, two fang-like horns around its mouth, and three spines on the back of its neck. It has three claws on each foot of the same metallic looks as its chestplate. The wing-like structure on its back can be used to focus the flow of time, as seen in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers of Time, Darkness]], and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Sky]].

Dialga can warp time by either speeding it up, slowing it down, or stopping it altogether. As Dialga primarily resides in a [[Dimensions|different dimension]], its behavior is nearly impossible to study. It has been shown to be very protective of its home. It also tends to have violent conflicts with its counterpart, {{p|Palkia}}. Dialga is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that can learn {{m|Roar of Time}}.

==In the anime==
[[File:Dialga anime movie 12.png|right|thumb|250px|Dialga in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Dialga (movie)]]====
{{mov|Dialga}} appeared in the first three {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} [[Pokémon movie]]s. It was first shown in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', where it fought with {{mov|Palkia}} and {{mov|Darkrai|Darkrai|10}} in a battle that nearly destroyed [[Alamos Town]]. The same Dialga appeared in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. On its return trip back to its own dimension, Dialga ended up in the [[Reverse World]] and got attacked by {{mov|Giratina}}. The Renegade Pokémon had been angered by Dialga and Palkia's fight in the previous movie. Dialga's final movie appearance was in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''. It was shown for the first time with both the other members of its [[creation trio|trio]]. After being called by [[Sheena]] to stop a spatial distortion, it briefly fought with Giratina once more. Later, it returned to help Palkia and Giratina fight {{mov|Arceus|Arceus|12}}, and sent Sheena, {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr}} back in time to fix Arceus's betrayal.

====Other====
Dialga had a major appearance in ''[[DP152|The Battle Finale of Legend!]]'', in the conclusion of [[Team Galactic]]'s plot at [[Mt. Coronet]]. It is unknown if this is the same Dialga as that in the movies.

Dialga appeared in the second {{series|XY}} {{pkmn|movie}}, ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'', as one of the many [[Legendary Pokémon]] summoned by {{an|Hoopa}}.

===Minor appearances===
Dialga made its debut in ''[[DP036|A Secret Sphere of Influence!]]'' in a fantasy.

[[Primal Dialga|An evil Dialga]] made two brief appearances in ''[[SS021|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky - Beyond Time & Darkness]]'' as the protector of the Time Gear.

Dialga made a brief appearance in {{MTR}}'s fantasy in ''[[DP178|For The Love of Meowth!]]''.

==In the manga==
[[File:Dialga Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Dialga in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the movie adaptations===
{{main|Dialga (movie)}}
Dialga first appeared in ''{{ma|The Rise of Darkrai}}'' where it was fighting with {{mov|Palkia}}.

In the [[Arceus and the Jewel of Life (manga)|twelfth movie manga adaption]], Dialga, along with the members of its trio, was summoned by [[Sheena]] to help Ash and his friends. Dialga, {{p|Palkia}}, {{p|Giratina}} battle Arceus and it soon puts Sheena and the others in the past to uncover the betrayal Sheena's ancestor made.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Dialga, along with Palkia, was summoned by [[Cyrus]] in the {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}} in order to create a new world. Cyrus used the Red Chains to force Dialga and Palkia to fight each other in order to distort time and space and create a portal that would swallow the existing world. {{adv|Diamond}}, {{adv|Pearl}} and {{adv|Platinum}} worked together with their Pokémon to free Dialga and Palkia from their controlled states.

Later on, an accident with handling [[Charon]]'s machine caused Dialga, Palkia and Cyrus to be dragged into the portal before it closed completely. In the {{chap|Platinum}}, it was revealed that {{p|Giratina}} imprisoned both Dialga and Palkia in the [[Distortion World]] before setting off into the current dimension to wreak havoc. Soon, Cyrus and Diamond met in the Distortion World, and agreed to free Dialga and Palkia using their Pokémon. Dialga and Palkia later resumed their struggle against Giratina in the Distortion World. When Charon decided to escape from the Distortion World on Giratina, Diamond got on Dialga and chased after him. Giratina was eventually defeated, with Dialga and Palkia forcing it back into the Distortion World for good, before both returned to the Spear Pillar.

In the {{chap|HeartGold & SoulSilver}}, Dialga was created in the [[Sinjoh Ruins]], along with Palkia and Giratina, by {{p|Arceus}}' creation process, which was forced by [[Team Rocket]]'s [[Executive (Trainer class)|Four Generals]]. Knowing that the creation process would threaten the [[Johto]] region, Team Rocket's true leader {{adv|Giovanni}} returned with [[Lance]] and [[Pryce]] to keep the creation trio at bay while {{adv|Gold}} tried to calm Arceus down. Dialga was kept at bay by Pryce and his {{p|Swinub}}. Once Arceus was eventually becalmed, Dialga and Palkia departed from Johto and were spotted by [[Cynthia]].

===In the Pokémon Battrio: Aim to be Battrio Master! manga===
A Dialga appeared in [[ABM02]] under the ownership of [[Manabu Kazuo]].

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]], [[Hareta]] and [[Mitsumi]] set out on a journey with the intention of finding the deity-like Pokémon, Dialga. In ''[[DPA20|The Advent of the Legendary Pokémon!!]]'' [[Cyrus]] successfully controlled Dialga after he gained control of the Red Chain. When Hareta tried to snap Dialga out of Cyrus's control, it was able to flee from Cyrus.

===In the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blazing Exploration Team manga===
{{main|Primal Dialga}}
A Dialga with a darker color appeared in [[BET3]].

===In the Pocket Monsters Platinum: Aim to Be Battle King!! manga===
Dialga, along with the members of its trio, appeared in [[PBK5]] where it fought against {{OBP|Shin|PBK}}'s {{p|Abomasnow}} and {{p|Mamoswine}} and defeated the former. It fought against [[Yū Shirogane]] and lost.

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
Dialga appeared in [[PMDP29]] of {{OBP|Pocket Monsters DP|Kosaku Anakubo}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Dialga (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
[[Image:SSBBSpearPillarDialga.png|right|thumb|Dialga on the {{St|Spear Pillar}}]]
Dialga appears as a stage Pokémon along with {{p|Palkia}}, {{p|Cresselia}}, and the [[lake guardians]] on the stage {{St|Spear Pillar}}. It affects the stage much differently than that of its counterpart, such as slowing down time, and even going off its post to attack the players in the middle. It can also distort the stage, like Palkia, but only slightly and not as extreme, as well as shoot beams from various locations.
====Trophy Information====
''A Temporal Pokémon. This legendary Pokémon is talked about as a deity in fables passed down through generations in the Sinnoh region. Identifiable by the diamondlike crystal in the center of its chest, Dialga is said to have set time in motion at the moment of its birth. Its fearsome {{m|Roar of Time}} attack is so powerful that it must refrain from attacking on the next turn. It is Diamond's mascot.''

===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U|Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]]===
Dialga appears as a trophy.
====Trophy Information====
''The concept of time has always been one of the world's great mysteries, but Dialga might hold the answer. Legend has it that Dialga's birth caused time to begin moving! It's no surprise that the people of Sinnoh see this Pokémon as a deity. If you're ever running late, maybe you could ask Dialga to do you a favour and turn back the clock.''

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
{{spoilers}}
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]] [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]]: Dialga appears in the main storyline, but mostly as [[Primal Dialga]]. In the future, because of the collapse of the [[Temporal Tower]], Dialga has lost control of itself and has entered a state of self-preservation, keeping time frozen and refusing to let it flow properly. When the player and partner return from the future and arrive at the collapsing Tower, they must beat partial Primal Dialga in battle, who has almost completely turned Primal, and restore the Tower. After putting some sense into it, Dialga is so grateful that it revives the player (who was erased from existence). After going back to Dialga at the top of Temporal Tower, it decides that the player wants a rematch. Once defeated, Dialga joins the player's team.
* [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]: Dialga appears as a bonus boss during one of the Ranger Net extra missions. Dialga was injured from a battle with Palkia and entered [[Almia Castle]] to recover. It caused a time distortion due to its wounds and sent the main character and {{Ra|Wendy}} back in time to before the events of the game started by using {{m|Roar of Time}}.
* [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]: Dialga appears in the optional Ranger Net extra mission Pledge to Arceus. It must be captured along with its counterparts Palkia and Giratina in the Sky Fortress to access Arceus.

===Pokédex entries===
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{{Dex/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Diamond|entry=It has the power to control time. It appears in [[Sinnoh myths|Sinnoh-region myths]] as an ancient deity.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when Dialga was born.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when Dialga's heart beats.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|entry=This Pokémon completely controls the flow of time. It uses its power to travel at will through the past and future.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when Dialga's heart beats.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when Dialga's heart beats.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when Dialga was born.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when Dialga was born.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
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{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Diamond|area=[[Spear Pillar]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Pearl}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area=[[Spear Pillar]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area=[[Sinjoh Ruins]] (requires {{pkmn2|event}} {{p|Arceus}})}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black|v2=White|area=[[Poké Transfer]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|area=[[Pokémon Dream Radar]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y|area=[[Trade]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Omega Ruby|area=[[Trade]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|area=[[Soaring in the sky]] (requires the [[Lake guardians]])}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Steel|type2=Dragon}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Temporal Tower]] (Pinnacle)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Temporal Tower]] (Pinnacle)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: SoA|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|color={{SoA color}}|area=[[Almia Castle]] (during mission)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Rumble|color={{fire color}}|area=Ticket for releasing {{p|Lucario}}, {{p|Bastiodon}}, {{p|Magnezone}}, {{p|Dragonite}} and {{p|Garchomp}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Cave: All ([[Pokémon Rumble Blast#Legendary Boss Pokémon|Random Legendary Encounters]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Conquest|color={{silver color}}|area=[[Dragnor]]{{tt|*|First appearance}}, Any kingdom with a {{DL|Kingdom location|Sky Garden}}{{tt|*|Subsequent months}} (special)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Toy Collection#A Very Chaotic Battle!|Toy Collection: A Very Chaotic Battle!]] (Boss), [[Challenge Battle#The Final Battle Royale|Challenge Battle: The Final Battle Royale]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Distortion Island#Stage 3|Distortion Island: Stage 3]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Special Stages#Great Challenge|Event: ''Dialga Descends'']]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Diamond Crater#Rock Chasm|Diamond Crater: Rock Chasm]] (Special Boss)}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|Language/Region|type=steel|type2=dragon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Summer 2013 Dialga|English|United States|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|August 19 to September 8, 2013|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga_2}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Summer 2013 Dialga|English|Europe, the Americas, and Australia|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|August 30 to September 12, 2013|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Summer 2013 Dialga|French|Europe, the Americas, and Australia|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|August 30 to September 12, 2013|link=List of local French event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Summer 2013 Dialga|German|Europe|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|August 30 to September 12, 2013|link=List of local German event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Summer 2013 Dialga|Italian|Europe, the Americas, and Australia|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|August 30 to September 12, 2013|link=List of local Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Summer 2013 Dialga|Spanish|Europe, the Americas, and Australia|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|August 30 to September 12, 2013|link=List of local Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|10/12 Dialga|Korean|South Korea|100[[File:ShinyVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|September 14 to October 6, 2013|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Dahara City Dialga|All|Japan|100|June 20 to August 31, 2015|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Dialga 2}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Dahara City Dialga|Korean region|Online|100|November 20, 2015 to January 31, 2016|link=List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Dialga}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Dahara City Dialga|All|South Korea|100|December 23 to 27, 2015|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Dialga}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=steel|type2=dragon
|hgss1=Adamant Orb|hgss1type=Legendary artifacts|hgss1rar=100
|event1=Adamant Orb|event1type=Timespace orbs|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=steel |
type2=dragon |
HP= 100 |
Attack= 120 |
Defense=120 |
SpAtk= 150 |
SpDef= 100 |
Speed= 90 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Steel
|type2=Dragon
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=steel|
type2=dragon|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 0 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy = 100|

notes=yes|
steel=yes|
gen5dark=yes|
gen5ghost=yes|
olddark=½|
oldghost2=½|

newpoison=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''|Cool|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|6|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|10|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5|||Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|19|Power Gem|Rock|Special|80|100|20|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|24|Metal Burst|Steel|Physical|—|100|10|||Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|28|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|33|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|37|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Special|80|—|20|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|42|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|46|Roar of Time|Dragon|Special|150|90|5||'''|Beautiful|4|4}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5|||Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|||Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5|||Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes|Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15||'''|no|yes|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15||'''|no|yes|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''|no|yes|Cool|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|||no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Dialga|Steel|Dragon|4}}

===Side game data===
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Dungeon2=yes |
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browser2=It controls time and blasts a {{m|Hyper Beam|powerful beam}} from its mouth. |
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===Evolution===
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|name1=Dialga
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===Sprites===
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{{Spritebox/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=483}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=483}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=483}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|483|Dialga}}

==Trivia==
* In games prior to [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], Dialga has a catch rate of 30.
* No other Pokémon shares the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Dialga.
* Dialga is the tallest [[Generation IV]] Pokémon.
* Dialga is tied with Blade Forme {{p|Aegislash}} for the highest {{Stat|Special Attack}} base stat of all {{type|Steel}} Pokémon.
* The spikes on Dialga's back, at a certain point of view, look similar to a [[Time Gears|time gear]]. In the anime, when Dialga uses {{m|Roar of Time}}, the spine extends and the five spikes become thinner and more pronounced.
* Dialga is the second Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series]] to feature an {{Shiny|alternate coloration}} that is [[Primal Dialga|not its Shiny coloration]], the first being {{p|Kecleon}}.
* Although Dialga is genderless in the main games, it is referred to as a male in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]].
* Dialga is the first Legendary Pokémon to have a role in three different movies, and therefore four movies as well.
* According to [[Junichi Masuda]]'s blog, the Spanish translation team suggested changing the name Dialga because of its similarity to the word ''alga'', seaweed.

===Origin===
Dialga, along with {{p|Palkia}}, may be based on the {{wp|Shinto}} legend of {{wp|Izanami}} and {{wp|Izanagi}}, who are said to have created one island with a spear, erected a pillar on it, and from there created the islands of Japan. Appearance-wise, Dialga seems to be based on short-necked sauropod dinosaurs such as ''{{wp|Camarasaurus}}'' or ''{{wp|Brachytrachelopan}}''. Its type is {{t|Steel}} possibly due to the hardness of {{wp|diamonds}}, or the fact that most parts of a clock are made of metal, such as the gears. It may also be because diamonds are compressed carbon, and steel is an alloy from iron and carbon. Its turquoise pattern on its body is vaguely reminiscent to clock hands, where the ends of the "clock hands" are diamond-shaped.

====Name origin====
Dialga is derived from diamond. ''Ga'' may be a corruption of ''gon'' from ''dragon''. It may also involve ''dia'' (Spanish for ''day'', referring to a unit of time) or ''dial'' (as in ''{{wp|sundial}}'', an instrument used to tell time using shadows on a clock face).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=steel|type2=dragon
|ja=ディアルガ ''Dialga''|jameaning=Derived from ダイヤモンド ''diamond''. ''Ga'' may be a corruption of ''gon'' from ''dragon''. May also involve ''dia'' (Spanish for day, referring to a unit of time) or ''dial'' (as in sundial, an instrument used to tell time using shadows on a clock face).
|de=Dialga|demeaning=Same as Japanese name
|fr=Dialga|frmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|es=Dialga|esmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|it=Dialga|itmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|ko=디아루가 ''Dialga''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=帝牙盧卡 / 帝牙卢卡 ''Dìyálúkǎ''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_yue=帝牙盧卡 ''Daingàhlòuhkā''|zh_yuemeaning=Same as Mandarin name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Dialga (movie)]]
* [[Primal Dialga]]
* [[Creation trio]]


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Raikou (Pokémon)

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Jdogno4: There has been a discussion on this. It has seemingly run as much as it will likely ever.

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Raikou | prev=Blissey | next=Entei|type=electric|| prevnum=242| nextnum=244}}
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fbrow=203 |
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'''Raikou''' (Japanese: '''ライコウ''' ''Raikou'') is an {{type|Electric}} [[Legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

Along with {{p|Entei}} and {{p|Suicune}}, it is one of the [[legendary beasts]] resurrected by {{p|Ho-Oh}} after the burning of the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]]. Of the three legendary beasts, Raikou is said to represent the lightning strike which ignited the fire that consumed the Brass Tower.

==Biology==
Raikou is a quadruped, yellow, tiger-like Pokémon with black stripes and a white underside. It has a thin, light blue tail with sharp angles and a spark-shaped formation at the end. Raikou's mane looks like dull purple rain clouds and allows it to shoot bolts of lighting. Most of its face consists of thick, white fur and shorter yellow fur around its red eyes. Raikou's muzzle is a light blue "X" and it has a black faceplate with two bumps that covers its forehead, nose, and ears. Raikou has two long fangs that make its appearance similar to the {{wp|saber-toothed cat}}. Its large claws each converge to form a single point and never retract. Extra fur hangs off its body in front of its rear thighs.

[[SS023|As seen in the anime]], Raikou is able to fly by creating storm clouds. [[The Legend of Thunder!|It is shown]] to be distrustful of humans, though it may form some friendship with those who help it. Raikou tends to appear during thunderstorms and when other Electric-type Pokémon are in danger. Raikou races across {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon|grasslands}} while barking cries that sound like thunder.

==In the anime==
[[File:The Legend of Thunder.png|left|thumb|220px|Raikou in the anime]]
[[File:Raikou M13.png|thumb|left|220px|A {{Shiny}} Raikou in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Raikou (The Legend of Thunder!)]]====
Raikou appeared in the [[Pokémon Chronicles]] episode, ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' where members of [[Team Rocket]] hunt down and attempt to catch Raikou.

====[[legendary beasts (M13)|Raikou (M13)]]====
A [[legendary beasts (M13)|Shiny Raikou]] made its first movie appearance alongside {{p|Celebi}}, and the other members of its [[legendary beasts|trio]] in the thirteenth Pokémon movie, ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

====Other====
Raikou appears at the end of ''[[SS023|Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs (Part Two)]]'', the second half of the special episode based on [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]].

===Minor appearances===
Raikou first appeared in ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]''. It was spotted by {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} and a {{p|Houndoom}} before it disappeared.

The [[Mauville City]] [[Gym Leader]] [[Wattson]] owns many Raikou robots which he uses in his Gym.

Raikou made a small cameo at the opening of ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'' and ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.

Raikou also had a minor appearance in [[Dawn's Piplup]]'s dream in ''[[DP137|Three Sides to Every Story!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|The Legend of Thunder!|Raikou|Jimmy's Pokédex|Raikou, the Thunder Pokémon. It is said to have descended to earth on a bolt of lightning.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Anabel Raikou Adventures.png|thumb|Raikou in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Raikou appeared as a beam of light in ''[[PS117|Slugging It Out With Slugma]]''. Its first real appearance was in ''[[PS137|Really Raikou & Entirely Entei I]]'', where it along with Entei tests Falkner and were joined by Suicune in ''[[PS138|Really Raikou & Entirely Entei I]]'', discussing about Ho-oh. It was revealed in a flashback in ''[[PS141|Hello, Lickitung]]'', where it was awakened by {{adv|Yellow}} along with its two counterparts, and the three raced around [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] looking for {{pkmn|Trainer}}s to help them defeat the [[Masked Man]] to free {{p|Ho-Oh}} and repay the debt of the latter for saving its life. Nearing the end of the chapter, Raikou eventually pairs up with [[Lt. Surge]] after encountering and escaping [[Falkner]], and later {{adv|Gold}}. Once Ho-Oh is freed and [[Pryce]], the true identity of the Masked Man, is defeated, it once again roams the lands of Johto with {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}.

{{FB|Salon Maiden|Anabel}} also owns a Raikou in the {{ho|Battle Frontier}} saga. It has been confirmed that it is the same Raikou as the one that befriended Gold, having caught it sometime before the {{chap|Emerald}} in Johto. Raikou is more powerful than any other Electric-type Pokémon in the manga because billowing thunder clouds follow it everywhere carried on its back, allowing it to perform powerful attacks, such as {{m|Thunder}}, more quickly and efficiently than regular Electric Pokémon. Despite clearly possessing sentient intelligence like its fellow beasts, it obeyed Anabel's commands to battle {{adv|Emerald}} without question while she was under psychic control of [[Guile Hideout]]. After he is defeated and the Battle Frontier is saved, Raikou is seen interacting with Gold and {{adv|Crystal}}, and has not appeared since.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Raikou (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros.]] Series===
====[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]====
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Raikou releases a powerful {{m|Spark}} attack that electrocutes any opponents that get caught in it. Raikou is the only [[legendary beasts|legendary beast]] that does not return in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]].

=====Trophy Information=====
''These Thunder Pokémon travel near and far, blasting out electrified whirlwinds. They carry storm clouds on their backs, so they can produce lightning regardless of the local weather; it's even said that they descended to the earth with via lightning bolts. Their extreme quickness lends itself to flight, so they're very hard to capture.''

====[[Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U|Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]]====
Raikou appears as a trophy.

=====Trophy Information=====
'''NA:''' ''Was that a bolt of lightning flashing by, on the ground instead of the air? Then it could have been Raikou. A rumble of thunder in the distance, but not a cloud in the sky? Sounds like Raikou's roar to us. It is said that this wild Pokémon perished in the Johto region once, but Ho-Oh was so filled with sorrow at the loss that Raikou was resurrected.''

'''PAL:''' ''If you see a bolt of lightning flash across the ground instead of from the sky, you may have just caught a glimpse of Raikou. And if you hear a peal of thunder that lasts longer than it should, that may be Raikou's roar. It's said that this wild yet majestic Pokémon once perished in the Johto region, but Ho-Oh, filled with sorrow, resurrected it.''

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
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|}
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====In side games====
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{{Availability/NA|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/NA/Side|gen=II}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=Random Agent Cards, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Red|v2=MD Blue|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Lightning Field]] (30F)}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Concealed Ruins]] ({{tt|B20F|with Mystery Part or Secret Slab in the bag}})}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Southeastern Islands]] (B12F-B24F; appears on random floor after accepting challenge letter)}}
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{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Conductor Room#Rumbling Magnetic Motors|Conductor Room: Rumbling Magnetic Motors]] (Reward), [[Entranceway#Battle Royale - Cage Match|Entranceway: Battle Royale - Cage Match]]}}
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====In events====
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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Raikou|English|United States|40[[File:ShinyIIStars.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|November 22 to 29, 2001; December 7 to 20, 2001; June 22 to 28, 2002; July 5 to 11, 2002; November 15 to 21, 2002|link=List of Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Shiny Raikou}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Journey Across America Raikou|English|United States|70|February 25 to July 23, 2006|link=List of Journey Across America event Pokémon distributions#Raikou}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Raikou|English|United Kingdom|70|June 10, 2006; October 14 to November 19, 2006|link=List of English event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Raikou}}
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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Party of the Decade Raikou|English|United States|70|August 8, 2006|link=List of Party of the Decade event Pokémon distributions#Raikou}}
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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Raikou|French|France|70|September 26, 2006|link=List of French event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Raikou}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Crown Raikou|Japanese|Japan|30[[File:ShinyIVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|June 18 to August 31, 2010|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Raikou}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Shinsegae Raikou|Korean|South Korea|30[[File:ShinyIVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|September 11 to October 24, 2010|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Shinsegae Raikou}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Crown City Raikou|Korean|South Korea|30[[File:ShinyIVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|December 16, 2010 to January 9, 2011|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Crown City Raikou}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|GameStop Raikou|English|North America|30[[File:ShinyIVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|January 3 to 9, 2011|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#GameStop Raikou}}
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===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=electric
|event1=Micle Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=electric|
HP= 90 |
Attack= 85 |
Defense=75 |
SpAtk= 115 |
SpDef= 100 |
Speed= 115 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Electric
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=electric|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
voltabsorb=maybe|}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|20|||Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|||Tough|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level6|1|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|||Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level6|8|Thunder Shock|Electric|Special|40|100|30||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|29|Spark|Electric|Physical|65|100|20||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|36|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|43|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|1|4}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|57|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/level6|64|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|20|||Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level6|71|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|78|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|85|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||'''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||'''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM60|Quash|Dark|Status|—|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM72|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15||'''|Tough|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20||'''|no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Raikou|Electric|Electric|2}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=electric |
ndex=243 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=0.1 |
area=Sacred Field |
P1=I am the thunderbolt that races through the fields! |
P2=I don't like this... My HP is cut to half? |
P3=This is it... The power of lightning fails here... |
PL=I gained a level! May lightning bolts empower me! |
Ranger=yes |
group=Electric |
assist=Electric |
field=Recharge |
fieldpower=3 |
loop=11 |
MinEXP=500 |
MaxEXP=600 |
browser=Raikou is a [[legendary Pokémon]] that dashes while dropping thunderbolts. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=2 |
rate2=5 |
iq=D |
rumble2=yes |
rumble2attack=4|
rumble2defense=3|
rumble2speed=4|
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Electric |
assist3=Electric |
field3=None |
field3power=- |
browser3=It creates waves of electricity around it and launches thunderbolts to attack. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Electric
|pictype=art
|no1=243
|name1=Raikou
|type1-1=Electric
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=electric}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=243}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=243}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=243}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=243}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=243}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|243|Raikou}}

==Trivia==
* Raikou, along with {{p|Entei}} and {{p|Suicune}}, was designed by [[Muneo Saitō]].<ref>http://kai-you.net/article/5034</ref>
[[File:Raikou dex entry LoT.png|thumb|Raikou in {{jo|Jimmy}}'s Pokédex]]
* Raikou is the only Pokémon in the anime whose image on the anime [[Pokédex]] was of stylized art rather than [[Ken Sugimori]]'s official artwork.
* Raikou's [[effort values|EV]] yield (1 Sp. Atk and 2 Speed) is unique.
* Raikou's number in the [[National Pokédex]] and the [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] is the same: 243.

===Origin===
Raikou is particularly based on the Thunder and Lightning deities of most cultures surrounding the world, mostly the 雷獣 ''{{wp|raijū}}'', a thunder demon of Japanese lore. It is said to be a creature that could take the form of a {{wp|tiger}}, {{wp|monkey}}, blue {{wp|wolf}} wrapped in lightning, and many other animals. Raikou is specifically based on its tiger form, while the Pokémon {{p|Manectric}} is based on its wolf form. In terms of physical build, Raikou is based on the ''{{wp|Smilodon fatalis}}'', a well-known but extinct species of wildcat often referred to as a saber-toothed tiger. Its color and pattern scheme are reminiscent of that of a {{wp|Bengal tiger}}. The stripes that decorate Raikou's body also can be compared to zigzagging thunderbolts and perhaps even scars from claws. The white ruff around Raikou's face is akin to the {{wp|Siberian tiger}}'s thick fur around its neck. In the anime, Raikou is shown to be very agile, swift, stealthy, and a powerful attacker, just like a tiger. The gray "plate" atop its head may be similar to Entei's head ornament, being either a helmet or crown that signifies courage and power.
The flowing purple mane on its back is likely meant to invoke the image of a {{wp|cumulonimbus cloud}}, the cloud type most often associated with thunderstorms.

====Name origin====
Raikou could be taken to mean 雷光 ''raikou'' (lightning), which is also the inspiration for the name of {{wp|raijū}}, or it may be a combination of 雷 ''rai'' (thunder) and 皇 ''kō'' (emperor). It may also derive from 雷公 ''raikō'' (thunder duke), identical to the name of the Taoist god {{wp|Lei Gong}}.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=electric|type2=electric
|ja=ライコウ ''Raikou''|jameaning=From {{tt|雷公 ''raikō''|thunder duke}}, {{tt|雷 ''rai''|thunder}}, {{tt|雷光 ''raikou''|lightning}}, and {{tt|皇 ''kō''|emperor}}
|fr=Raikou|frmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|es=Raikou|esmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|de=Raikou|demeaning=Same as Japanese name
|it=Raikou|itmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|ko=라이코 ''Raikou''|komeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name
|zh_cmn=雷公 ''Léigōng''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|雷公 ''Raikou''|thunder duke}}. Also a reference to the ancient Chinese god of thunder, {{wp|Lei Gong}}.
|hi=रायकू ''Raikou''|himeaning=Transliteration of English name
|ru=Райку ''Raiku''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Raikou (The Legend of Thunder!)]]
* [[Legendary beasts (M13)]]
* [[Legendary beasts]]

==Notes==
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Goldeen (Pokémon)

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Jdogno4: Spelling error.

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Goldeen | prev=Seadra | next=Seaking|type=water|| prevnum=117| nextnum=119}}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Goldeen |
jname=トサキント |
tmname=Tosakinto |
ndex=118 |
jdex=078 |
hdex=050 |
hdex6=051 |
sdex=078 |
kdex=053|
karea=Central|
fbrow=110 |
typebox=1 |
type1=Water |
species=Goldfish |
height-ftin=2′00″ |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=33.1 |
weight-kg=15.0 |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Swift Swim |
ability2=Water Veil |
abilityd=Lightning Rod |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Water 2 |
eggcycles=21 |
evtotal=1 |
evat=1 |
expyield=64 |
oldexp=111 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Red |
catchrate=225 |
body=03 |
pokefordex=goldeen |
generation=1 |
friendship=70 |
}}
'''Goldeen''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''トサキント''' ''Tosakinto'') is a {{type|Water}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Seaking}} starting at [[level]] 33.

==Biology==
Goldeen is a white, fish-like Pokémon with orange markings on its tail, back, and fins. It has a thin dorsal fin and long pectoral fins. Its dorsal and pectoral fins are quite strong, allowing it to maintain a steady speed of five knots while swimming upstream. Goldeen's caudal fin is admired by many for its beauty as it billows very much like a ballroom dress. Its circular eyes are blue, and it has pink lips. On its forehead is a large horn, which is larger on the male than on the female.

It has a wild temperament, and will use its horn to smash its way to freedom if kept in an aquarium. Humans swimming near it must exercise caution lest Goldeen ram them. Goldeen is a very common sight in any body of {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Water's-edge Pokémon|fresh water}}, including ponds, lakes, and rivers. It can be seen swimming upstream in large schools during the breeding season in spring.

==In the anime==
[[File:Misty Goldeen debut.png|thumb|240px|right|Goldeen in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Misty's Goldeen]]====
[[Misty's Goldeen]] first appeared in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''.

====Other====
Another Goldeen appeared in ''[[EP012|Here Comes the Squirtle Squad]]''. [[Ash's Squirtle|A Squirtle]] knocked {{AP|Pikachu}} into a lake, which angered the Goldeen. It proceeded to attack Pikachu with a {{m|Horn Attack}} which severely injured it.

A group of Goldeen were used at a stall run by [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} in ''[[DP140|Historical Mystery Tour!]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Goldeen also appeared in the banned episode [[EP035]].

Multiple Goldeen appeared in ''[[EP061|The Misty Mermaid]]'' under the ownership of [[The Sensational Sisters]]. They reappeared in ''[[SS002|Cerulean Blues]]''.

Multiple Goldeen were among the Pokémon seen at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]''.

A Goldeen appeared in {{an|Misty}}'s fantasy in ''[[EP091|Bye Bye Psyduck]]''.

A Goldeen appeared in ''[[EP169|Beauty and the Breeder]]'' where it participated in [[Pokémon Beauty Contest|a Pokémon breeding competition]].

Two Goldeen appeared in ''[[EP206|The Joy of Water Pokémon]]''. One was receiving special treatment in a salt bath tank in the [[Pokémon Center]] near [[Lake Lucid]] while the other one was being treated by [[Nurse Joy]] due to having health problems.

Multiple Goldeen were among the feuding Pokémon at [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] in ''[[EP225|Bulbasaur... the Ambassador!]]''.

A Goldeen was among the Pokémon stolen from the [[Pokémon Center]] of [[Blue Point Isle]] in ''[[EP210|Around the Whirlpool]]''.

A {{pkmn2|giant}} Goldeen was one of the Pokémon living in [[Lake Slowpoke]] in ''[[EP244|Enlighten Up!]]''

[[Juan]] has a Goldeen that appeared in ''[[AG110|The Great Eight Fate!]]''.

Multiple Goldeen were owned by a family of traveling circus performers in ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]''.

Multiple Goldeen made brief cameos in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.

A Goldeen appeared in ''[[DP089|Up Close and Personable!]]''.

A group of Goldeen appeared in ''[[DP138|Strategy Begins at Home!]]''.

A Goldeen appeared at the beginning of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

Multiple Goldeen appeared in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]''.

Multiple Goldeen appeared in ''[[XY022|Going for the Gold!]]''.

Multiple Goldeen appeared in the picture in ''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''.

Multiple Goldeen appeared in ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''.

A Goldeen appeared in an image/neon in ''[[XY060|A Showcase Debut!]]''.

==In the manga==
[[File:Mitsuki Goldeen CBF.png|thumb|140px|Goldeen in Pokémon Battle Frontier]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Goldeen's debut appearance was in ''''[[PS060|Breath of the Dragonair Part 1]]'' where it was used by a trainer in a surfing contest, before the it was interrupted by Lance controlling the winning prize, a Dragonair.

[[Misty]] has a {{TP|Misty|Goldeen}} that was briefly used in ''[[PS066|Punching Poliwrath]]'' in the {{chap|Yellow}}.

A Goldeen appeared in ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]'' as one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]].

===In the Pokémon Battle Frontier manga===
{{OBP|Mitsuki|CBF}}'s Goldeen was first seen battling alongside [[Enta's Vulpix]].

==In the TCG==
{{main|Goldeen (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[File:Goldeen SSBB.png|thumb|200px|Goldeen in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros.]]===
When released from a {{ball|Poké}}, Goldeen will use {{m|Splash}}, having no effect on the battle.

===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
When released from a Poké Ball, Goldeen will use {{m|Splash}}, having no effect on the battle.

Goldeen is also a Pokéfloat. It will appear from the bottom of the screen but quickly drop down to the bottom again, knocking out any character it hits.

====Trophy information====
''These Water-types are often referred to as "water dancers," as their elegant fins make them incredible agile underwater. They can even travel upstream in rapids at a speed of five knots; of course, they're not quite as nimble on dry land. Goldeen's {{m|Horn Drill}} is so strong that it can KO an enemy with one strike if it connects.''

===[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
Goldeen will sometimes be found in a Poké Ball and will use {{m|Splash}} when released. It still does nothing to affect the battle. On the official blog, Masahiro Sakurai commented that Goldeen appearing at the most critical of times is in keeping with {{wp|Murphy's Law}}.<ref>[http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/mball/mball01.html]</ref>

====Trophy Information====
''"A Goldfish Pokémon. In contrast to its elegant appearance, it has a wild temperament, and its attack with its horn is severe. Among the techniques it can master, {{m|Horn Drill}} is especially reliable. It evolves into Seaking, but if raised without evolving, it can learn the powerful {{type|Bug}} {{m|Megahorn}}. There are male and female Goldeen--the male's horn is longer."''

===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
Goldeen will sometimes appear from a Poké Ball or even a Master Ball. As in the previous games, it uses Splash when released, having no effect on the battle.

====Trophy information====
'''NA''': ''This Water-type Pokémon sports a fancy horn on its head. An excellent swimmer, it can literally swim up waterfalls. In the world of Pokémon, this elegant Pokémon has a variety of effective moves in battle. In Smash Bros., however, all it can use is an ineffective Splash attack.''

'''PAL''': ''A Water-type Pokémon with a distinctive horn. Thanks to its powerful fins, Goldeen can swim comfortably through the most torrential waters and even up waterfalls. It's known for both its strength and grace. That said, don't expect it to make a big splash in this game - just a little one when it uses Splash... It's super ineffective!''

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=water}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=I}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Red|v2=Blue|t2=FFF|entry=Its tail fin billows like an elegant ballroom dress, giving it the nickname of the Water Queen.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Yellow|entry=When it is time for them to lay eggs, they can be seen swimming up rivers and falls in large groups.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its beautiful tail fin billows and flutters like an elegant dress. Swims at a speed of five knots.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Its dorsal, pectoral and tail fins wave elegantly in water. That is why it is known as the water dancer.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=A strong swimmer, it is capable of swimming nonstop up fast streams at a steady speed of five knots.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=During spawning season, they swim gracefully in the water, searching for their perfect mate.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its dorsal, pectoral and tail fins wave elegantly in water. That is why it is known as the water dancer.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ruby|t=FFF|entry=Goldeen is a very beautiful Pokémon with fins that billow elegantly in water. However, don't let your guard down around this Pokémon - it could ram you powerfully with its {{m|Horn Attack|horn}}.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=Goldeen loves swimming wild and free in rivers and ponds. If one of these Pokémon is placed in an aquarium, it will shatter even the thickest glass with one ram of its horn and make its escape. }}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=In the springtime, schools of Goldeen can be seen swimming up falls and rivers. It metes out staggering damage with its single horn.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=Its dorsal and pectoral fins are strongly developed like muscles. It can swim at a speed of five knots.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Its tail fin billows like an elegant ballroom dress, giving it the nickname of "The Water Queen".}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Diamond|entry=It swims elegantly by flittering its tail fin as if it were a dress. It has the look of a queen.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=It swims at a steady 5 knots. If it senses danger, it will strike back with its sharp horn.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=Though it appears very elegant when swimming with fins unfurled, it can jab powerfully with its horn.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Its dorsal, pectoral and tail fins wave elegantly in water. That is why it is known as the water dancer.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=A strong swimmer, it is capable of swimming nonstop up fast streams at a steady speed of five knots per hour.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=Though it appears very elegant when swimming with fins unfurled, it can jab powerfully with its horn.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=Though it appears very elegant when swimming with fins unfurled, it can jab powerfully with its horn.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=It swims at a steady 5 knots. If it senses danger, it will strike back with its sharp horn.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Its dorsal, pectoral and tail fins wave elegantly in water. That is why it is known as the water dancer.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=Goldeen is a very beautiful Pokémon with fins that billow elegantly in water. However, don't let your guard down around this Pokémon—it could ram you powerfully with its horn.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|entry=Goldeen loves swimming wild and free in rivers and ponds. If one of these Pokémon is placed in an aquarium, it will shatter even the thickest glass with one ram of its horn and make its escape.}}
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===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=water}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=I}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Red|v2=Blue|t2=fff|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water cannot be fished in (due to no adjacent walkable land tiles) without glitches}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|11|Kanto}}, {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water not accessible without glitches}}, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, {{rtn|18|Kanto}}, {{rtn|19|Kanto}}, {{rtn|20|Kanto}}, {{rtn|21|Kanto}}, {{rtn|22|Kanto}}, {{rtn|23|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, [[Pallet Town]], [[Viridian City]], [[Cerulean City]], [[Vermilion City]], [[Vermilion Harbor]], [[Celadon City]], [[Fuchsia City]], {{safari|Kanto}}, [[Seafoam Islands]], [[Cinnabar Island]], [[Indigo Plateau]] ([[Fishing#In the games|Good Rod]]) [[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water cannot be fished in (due to no adjacent walkable land tiles) without glitches}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, {{rtn|18|Kanto}}, {{rtn|19|Kanto}}, {{rtn|20|Kanto}}, {{rtn|21|Kanto}}, {{rtn|22|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, [[Cerulean City]], [[Fuchsia City]], [[Seafoam Islands]], [[Cinnabar Island]] ([[Fishing#In the games|Super Rod]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Blue|ex=(Japan)|t=fff|link=Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water cannot be fished in (due to no adjacent walkable land tiles) without glitches}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|11|Kanto}}, {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water not accessible without glitches}}, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, {{rtn|18|Kanto}}, {{rtn|19|Kanto}}, {{rtn|20|Kanto}}, {{rtn|21|Kanto}}, {{rtn|22|Kanto}}, {{rtn|23|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, [[Pallet Town]], [[Viridian City]], [[Cerulean City]], [[Vermilion City]], [[Vermilion Harbor]], [[Celadon City]], [[Fuchsia City]], {{safari|Kanto}}, [[Seafoam Islands]], [[Cinnabar Island]], [[Indigo Plateau]] ([[Fishing#In the games|Good Rod]]) [[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water cannot be fished in (due to no adjacent walkable land tiles) without glitches}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, {{rtn|18|Kanto}}, {{rtn|19|Kanto}}, {{rtn|20|Kanto}}, {{rtn|21|Kanto}}, {{rtn|22|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, [[Cerulean City]], [[Fuchsia City]], [[Seafoam Islands]], [[Cinnabar Island]] ([[Fishing#In the games|Super Rod]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Yellow|area=[[Pallet Town]], [[Viridian City]], [[Cerulean City]], [[Vermilion City]], [[Vermilion Harbor]], [[Celadon City]], [[Fuchsia City]], {{safari|Kanto}}, [[Seafoam Islands]], [[Cinnabar Island]], [[Indigo Plateau]], and [[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water cannot be fished in (due to no adjacent walkable land tiles) without glitches}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|11|Kanto}}, {{rtn|12|Kanto}}, {{rtn|13|Kanto}}, {{rtn|14|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water not accessible without glitches}}, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, {{rtn|18|Kanto}}, {{rtn|19|Kanto}}, {{rtn|20|Kanto}}, {{rtn|21|Kanto}}, {{rtn|22|Kanto}}, {{rtn|23|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|25|Kanto}} ({{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}}) [[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}{{tt|*|Water cannot be fished in (due to no adjacent walkable land tiles) without glitches}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, [[Cerulean City]], [[Celadon City]], [[Cerulean Cave]] ({{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}})}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Gold|v2=Silver|area=[[Dark Cave]], [[Union Cave]]{{tt|*|1F and B1F}}, [[Slowpoke Well]] (fishing) [[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}, {{rtn|9|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|42|Johto}}, [[Mt. Mortar]], [[Tohjo Falls]], [[Mt. Silver]] and [[Cerulean City]] (surfing and fishing)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Crystal|area={{rt|4|Kanto}} (surfing) [[Dark Cave]], [[Union Cave]]{{tt|*|1F and B1F}}, [[Slowpoke Well]] (fishing) [[Route]]s {{rtn|9|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|42|Johto}}, [[Mt. Mortar]], [[Tohjo Falls]], [[Mt. Silver]] and [[Cerulean City]] (surfing and fishing)}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=fff|t2=fff|area=[[Route]] {{rtn|102|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|117|Hoenn}}, and {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}, [[Petalburg City]], [[Meteor Falls]], {{ho|Victory Road}} ({{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} or {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}}) {{safari|Hoenn}} (fishing)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=fff|area=[[Route]] {{rtn|102|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|117|Hoenn}}, and {{rtn|120|Hoenn}} (surfing, {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} or {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}}) [[Petalburg City]], [[Meteor Falls]], {{ho|Victory Road}} ({{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} or {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}}) {{safari|Hoenn}} (fishing)}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=FireRed|v2=LeafGreen|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|22|Kanto}}, {{rtn|23|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, [[Ruin Valley]], [[Cape Brink]], [[Viridian City]], {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, [[Cerulean Cave]], [[Icefall Cave]] ([[Good Rod]]) [[Fuchsia City]], [[Berry Forest]], {{safari|Kanto}} ({{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} or {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}})}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Colosseum}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=XD|link=Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|203|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|204|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|209|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|212|Sinnoh}}, and {{rtn|214|Sinnoh}}, [[Lake Acuity]], [[Lake Verity]], [[Twinleaf Town]], [[Lake Valor]], [[Resort Area]], [[Sendoff Spring]] ({{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}})}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|203|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|204|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|208|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|209|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|212|Sinnoh}}, {{rtn|214|Sinnoh}}, and {{rtn|229|Sinnoh}}, [[Lake Acuity]], [[Celestic Town]], [[Lake Verity]], [[Twinleaf Town]], [[Lake Valor]], [[Sendoff Spring]] ({{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}})}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|4|Kanto}}, {{rtn|9|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|24|Kanto}}, {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|42|Johto}}, [[Slowpoke Well]], [[Union Cave]], [[Mt. Mortar]], [[Mt. Silver]], [[Dark Cave]], [[Cerulean City]], [[Cerulean Cave]], [[Tohjo Falls]], {{safari|Johto}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pal Park|color={{locationcolor/light|water}}|link=Pal Park|area={{DL|List of Pokémon by Pal Park location|Pond}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pokéwalker|color=FF3333|link=Pokéwalker|area={{pw|Blue Lake}} and {{pw|Warm Beach}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=fff|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|3|Unova}}, {{rtn|11|Unova}}, and {{rtn|14|Unova}}, [[Striaton City]], [[Pinwheel Forest]] (inner), [[Lostlorn Forest]], [[Abundant Shrine]] ([[Fishing]])}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=fff|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|3|Unova}}, {{rtn|11|Unova}}, {{rtn|14|Unova}}, and {{rtn|22|Unova}}, [[Pinwheel Forest]], [[Abundant Shrine]], [[Aspertia City]], [[Striaton City]] ([[Fishing]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Dream World|color={{dream color}}|area={{Dwa|Sparkling Sea}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=X|v2=Y|t=fff|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|3|Kalos}} and {{rtn|22|Kalos}}, [[Parfum Palace]] ([[Fishing]])}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|t2=fff|area=[[Route]]s {{rtn|102|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|117|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|123|Hoenn}}, [[Petalburg City]], [[Meteor Falls]], [[Scorched Slab]], {{safari|Hoenn}}, {{ho|Victory Road}} ({{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} or {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}})}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Water}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=I}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Snap|color={{electric color}}|area=[[Pokémon Island Valley|Valley]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Pinball|color={{red color}}|area=[[Viridian City]], [[Mt. Moon]], [[Cerulean City]], [[Kanto Route 17|Cycling Road]], [[Fuchsia City|Fuchia City]], [[Seafoam Islands]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/NA/Side|gen=II}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Channel|color={{water color}}|area=[[Cobalt Coast|Secret Cove]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pinball: R&S|link=Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire|color={{ruby color}}|t=FFF|area=Lake ({{color2|{{sapphire color}}|Sapphire Field}})}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area={{PM|4|Phobos Sub}}marine, Endless Level 13, Forever Level 13, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Red|v2=MD Blue|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Waterfall Pond]] (1F-5F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger|link=Pokémon Ranger (game)|area=[[Safra Sea]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Lake Afar]] (B1-B24)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Lake Afar]] (B1-B24)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Rumble|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Bright Beach]] (Both Modes B)}}

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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Lake: [[Shimmering Lake]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Frenzy Square#Make a Big Splash!|Frenzy Square: Make a Big Splash!]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Safari Jungle#Wednesday Stage 1|Safari Jungle: Stage 1]]{{dotw|We}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Dewdrop Bay#Castle Moat|Dewdrop Bay: Castle Moat]] (All Areas), [[Plasma Tundra#Misty Moor|Plasma Tundra: Misty Moor]] (All Areas)}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=water}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Swords Dance Goldeen|English|United States|5|June 8 to 21, 2002; November 8 to 14, 2002; January 17 to 23, 2003|link=List of Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Swords Dance Goldeen}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=Water
|rby1=TM33|rby1type=TM|rby1rar=100|rby1TMmove=Ice Punch|rby1TMtype=Ice
|oras1=Mystic Water|oras1type=Type-enhancing item|oras1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 45 |
Attack= 67 |
Defense=60 |
SpAtk= 35 |
SpDef= 50 |
Special=50 |
Speed= 63 |
type=Water }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=2
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=1
|StaminaMax=2
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=water|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |
Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy=100 |
notes=yes |
lightningrod=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|1|XY|ORAS|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|1|1|Peck|Flying|Physical|35|100|35|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|1|1|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|1|1|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|7|5|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|11|8|Horn Attack|Normal|Physical|65|100|25|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|21|13|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|17|16|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|27|21|Aqua Ring|Water|Status|—|—|20|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|31|24|Fury Attack|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|47|29|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|37|32|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|41|37|Horn Drill|Normal|Physical|—|—|5|||Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|51|40|Soak|Water|Status|—|100|20|||Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/levelVI|57|45|Megahorn|Bug|Physical|120|85|10|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|1|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|||Beautiful|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5|||Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM07|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|130|Gyarados}}{{MSP|211|Qwilfish}}{{MSP|339|Barboach}}{{MSP|340|Whiscash}}{{MSP|550|Basculin}}|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10||'''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|320|Wailmer}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|*||Tough|1|4}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|223|Remoraid}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|*||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|130|Gyarados}}{{MSP|170|Chinchou}}{{MSP|171|Lanturn}}{{MSP|211|Qwilfish}}{{MSP|223|Remoraid}}{{MSP|224|Octillery}} {{MSP|320|Wailmer}}{{MSP|321|Wailord}}{{MSP|369|Relicanth}}{{MSP|370|Luvdisc}}{{MSP|594|Alomomola}}|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|223|Remoraid}}{{MSP|339|Barboach}}{{MSP|369|Relicanth}}|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15|*||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|339|Barboach}}{{MSP|340|Whiscash}}|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|339|Barboach}}{{MSP|340|Whiscash}}{{MSP|369|Relicanth}}|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|223|Remoraid}}{{MSP|224|Octillery}}{{MSP|686|Inkay}}{{MSP|687|Malamar}}|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|170|Chinchou}}{{MSP|171|Lanturn}}{{MSP|223|Remoraid}}{{MSP|224|Octillery}}|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|319|Sharpedo}}|Skull Bash|Normal|Physical|130|100|10|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|320|Wailmer}}|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|2|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Bounce|Flying|Physical|85|85|5|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Drill Run|Ground|Physical|80|95|10|||no|yes|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|25|||no|yes|Clever|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Goldeen|Water|Water|2}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{tcg water color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg water color}}"
! Move
! Card
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{m|Splash}}
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[Goldeen (Expedition 111)]]
|}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=water |
ndex=118 |
pinball=Catch |
pinballrs=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=11.9 |
area=Rub-a-Dub River |
P1=Does this frilly outfit suit me? |
P2=Oh, no, I have only half my HP left... |
P3=I'm nearly finished... There's no power left. Help me... |
PL=Leveled up! My gorgeous looks also leveled up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Water |
assist=Water |
fieldpower=0 |
field=None |
loop=1 |
MinEXP=N/A |
MaxEXP=N/A |
browser=Goldeen can't be captured while it's in the water. Target it when it leaps out! |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2 |
iq=A |
rumble=yes |
rumbleattack=2 |
rumbledefense=2 |
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=2 |
rumble2defense=2 |
rumble2speed=3 |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-2
|type1=Water
|pictype=art
|no1=118
|name1=Goldeen
|type1-1=Water
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 33}}
|no2=119
|name2=Seaking
|type1-2=Water}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Water}}
{{Spritebox/1|ndex=118}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=118}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=118}}
{{Spritebox/4/Gender|ndex=118}}
{{Spritebox/5/Gender|ndex=118}}
{{Spritebox/6/Gender|ndex=118}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|118|Goldeen}}

==Trivia==
* In the [[Pokémon Red and Green beta|Pokémon Red and Blue beta]], Goldeen was originally known as "Goldy".
* Goldeen, as well as Seaking, has been in all Japan-centric regional [[Pokédex]]es.
* Goldeen's number in the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number|Sinnoh Pokédex]] and the [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] are the same: 078.
* Goldeen and Seaking are the only two Pokémon that can learn {{m|Waterfall}} through [[level]]-up.
** This also makes them the only Pokémon to learn Waterfall in [[Generation I]], before the move was an [[HM]].
* Goldeen shares a fairly similar in-game cry to {{p|Caterpie}}, being only .07 seconds longer.
* Even though Goldeen uses {{m|Splash}} in all four Super Smash Bros. games, it has no way of learning the move in any Pokémon game.
* Goldeen's [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|Pokémon SoulSilver]] [[Pokédex]] entry claims it can swim at "5 knots per hour." This is technically incorrect, as knots is already a measure of speed, not distance.

===Origin===
Goldeen is based on a {{wp|goldfish}}. The horn part may be based on Matsya, an avatar that the Hindu god {{wp|Vishnu}} assumed, which is sometimes depicted as a fish with a horn.

====Name origin====
Goldeen may be a combination of ''goldfish'' and ''queen''.

Tosakinto is derived from とさきん ''tosakin'', a kind of goldfish.

==In other languages==
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|ja=トサキント ''Tosakinto''|jameaning=From {{wp|Tosakin|{{tt|とさきん ''tosakin''|curly fantail goldfish}}}}
|fr=Poissirène|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|poisson|fish}}'' and ''{{tt|sirène|mermaid}}'', also, ''-rène'' is pronounced the same as ''{{tt|reine|queen}}''
|es=Goldeen|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Goldini|demeaning=Similar to English name
|it=Goldeen|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=콘치 ''Konchi''|komeaning=From English word ''cone'' and {{tt|치 ''chi''|Korean suffix to denote fish}}
|zh_yue=獨角金魚 ''Duhkgokgāmyùh''|zh_yuemeaning=Literally "One-horned goldfish"
|zh_cmn=角金魚 / 角金鱼 ''Jiǎojīnyú''|zh_cmnmeaning=Literally "Horned goldfish"
|hi= गोलडीन ''Goldeen'' |himeaning=Same as English name
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==Related articles==
* [[Misty's Goldeen]]

==External links==
* {{wp|Goldeen|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==
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Legendary Pokémon

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[[File:Entei Book.png|thumb|right|370px|An artist's interpretation of {{p|Entei}}, a Legendary Pokémon, in the anime]]

'''Legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''伝説のポケモン''' ''Legendary Pokémon'') are a group of incredibly rare and often very powerful {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, generally featured prominently in the legends and myths of the Pokémon world.

'''Mythical Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''幻のポケモン''' ''Illusory Pokémon'') are a related but separate group of Pokémon seen so rarely that some question their very existence. This category mostly consists of [[event Pokémon]], with the exception of Deoxys. No Mythical Pokémon is required to complete the Pokédex.

Prior to Generation V, in non-Japanese media, Legendary and Mythical Pokémon were both considered to be Legendary.

==Characteristics of Legendary and Mythical Pokémon==
==={{tt|Statistical average|Considering alternate forms as separate Pokémon, counting Arceus once only and without Phione}}===
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HP=93.13 |
Attack=106.21 |
Defense=99.42 |
SpAtk=111.51 |
SpDef=104.25 |
Speed=101.15 }}

Aside from the high [[stats]] shared by most Legendary Pokémon, many of them are only available once to the {{player}} in a given save file, and to obtain another legitimately, one must [[trade]] with another game. Similarly, Mythical Pokémon cannot be obtained at all through normal gameplay, and must be obtained through events or trades. (Mythical Pokémon also cannot be traded over the [[Global Trade System]] as of Generation VI.) The [[gender]] of most Legendary Pokémon is unknown (though there are seven notable exceptions in {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Cresselia}}, {{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, and {{p|Landorus}}), and all Legendary and Mythical Pokémon except {{p|Manaphy}} are unable to breed in captivity, even with {{p|Ditto}} (and Manaphy only produces the unevolvable {{p|Phione}} when it breeds with Ditto).

No Legendary or Mythical Pokémon is known to [[Evolution|evolve]], though many are part of a [[Legendary trio]] or [[Legendary duo]]. Much like [[starter Pokémon]] appear at the beginning of each [[regional Pokédex]] and their generation's portion of the [[National Pokédex]], Mythical Pokémon typically appear at the very end, and Legendary Pokémon immediately before them. There is one exception: {{p|Victini}}. Victini's [[Unova Pokédex]] number is #000, coming before the region's starter Pokémon in the Pokédex.

===In the anime===
Legendary and Mythical Pokémon typically make their anime debut in a {{pkmn|movie}}, rather than first appearing in a normal episode. Many are held in very high regard in all forms of canon, though their status varies between the games and anime. For example, their {{wp|deity|deitylike}} status is expressed in both the anime and the games, though in the anime they are shown to be able to breed, whereas in the games they cannot (though some, such as {{p|Latias}}, are implied to be ''able'' to breed and simply choose not to do so). In the anime they are often only seen by special {{pkmn|Trainer}}s, usually the anime's main protagonist, [[Ash Ketchum]], and other people who have a special connection to them. [[Villainous teams]] and others with bad intentions often seek them out, due both to their rarity and their superior power.

Trainers using Legendary and Mythical Pokémon via [[Poké Ball]]s or even as a non-owned Pokémon is not unheard of. An example of this is the fact that {{FB|Factory Head|Noland}} befriended and fought official {{pkmn|battle}}s with an {{TP|Noland|Articuno}}. Likewise, {{FB|Pyramid King|Brandon}} in the anime owned the three {{TP|Brandon|legendary golems}} in Poké Balls and trained them. {{si|Tobias}} is another Trainer who has been shown to have a Legendary Pokémon in a Poké Ball, and is also the first Trainer shown to own a Mythical Pokémon, having a {{p|Darkrai}} and a {{p|Latios}}. Another Trainer in the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]] owned a {{p|Heatran}}. Finally, a [[Nurse Joy]] who visited the Pewter Gym under assignment of the [[Pokémon Inspection Agency|PIA]] kept a {{p|Latias}} in a Poké Ball.

There are some cases in which Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are implied to breed in the wild, as seen with {{p|Lugia}}, though they do not do so in the games. Some are neither immortal nor invincible, as seen by the death of {{OBP|Celebi|M04}}. The near death of {{mov|Giratina}} and {{OBP|Arceus|M12}} is also a debatable factor in the immortality of both groups of Pokémon. Only some, in fact, are often considered unique, these being {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Giratina}}, and {{p|Palkia}}, due to their roles in the creation of the Pokémon world and their respective regions. The other legendary Pokémon are simply just very rare and are not unique, but so uncommon that legends have been written about them (hence the term "legendary"). These legends can be heard spoken of in the anime or seen in the PokéDex. However, like real-world legends, these legends are commonly filled with exaggerations.

==List of Legendary and Mythical Pokémon==
Of the {{numpkmn}} Pokémon species, 38 are considered to be Legendary ({{#expr: (38/{{numpkmn}}*100) round2}}%), and 15 (16 counting {{p|Phione}}) are considered to be Mythical ({{#expr: (15/{{numpkmn}}*100) round2}}%; {{#expr: (16/{{numpkmn}}*100) round2}}% counting Phione). Each [[generation]] has introduced at least one Legendary trio and one Legendary duo, with the notable exceptions of [[Generation V]], which introduced [[Swords of Justice|the first Legendary and Mythical quartet]] and no Legendary duo, and [[Generation VI]], which did not introduce a Legendary trio.

===Generation I===
The Legendary and Mythical Pokémon introduced in [[Generation I]] can be broken into two groups: the [[Legendary birds]] and the Mew duo.

====Legendary birds====
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[[File:Legendary birds.png|thumb|right|270px|{{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Articuno}}, and {{p|Moltres}}; art from a [[Articuno, Moltres, and Zapdos (Warner Bros. promo)|TCG card]] by [[Mitsuhiro Arita]]]]
The three Legendary birds, also known as the Winged Mirages, are the resident [[Legendary trio]] of the [[Kanto]] region. Each of them is based on a mythical bird, and each is associated with a [[Seasons|season]] (though none of the three is associated with autumn).

In the games, all three are available in the Kanto region in all of its appearances except for [[Generation II]]. {{p|Articuno}} takes up residence in the [[Seafoam Islands]] in the south, {{p|Zapdos}} in the [[Kanto Power Plant|Power Plant]] (next to it in Generation IV) in the east, and {{p|Moltres}} in a variety of places, {{ka|Victory Road}}, [[Mt. Ember]], or [[Mt. Silver]], depending on the generation. In Generation IV, they are also found {{pkmn2|roaming}} [[Sinnoh]], but only in {{game|Platinum}}. They also appear in Generation VI {{pkmn2|roaming}} [[Kalos]] before heading to the [[Sea Spirit's Den]], where they can be battled and caught.

In the anime, the Legendary birds appear together in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', in which they rule over the islands surrounding [[Shamouti Island]]. If they are disturbed and begin to fight, only {{OBP|Lugia|M02}} can stop them, though it will fail without additional help from the Chosen One. Separately, Articuno appears in ''[[EP189|Freeze Frame]]'', ''[[AG135|Numero Uno Articuno]]'', and ''[[AG136|The Symbol Life]]'', while Zapdos appears in ''[[EP242|As Clear As Crystal]]'', ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', and ''[[DP094|Doc Brock!]]'', and Moltres appears in ''[[EP074|All Fired Up!]]'' and ''[[SS018|The Search for the Legend]]''.

====Mew duo====
[[File:Mewtwo and Mew.png|thumb|250px|left|{{p|Mewtwo}} and {{p|Mew}} in [[M01|the first movie]]]]
The Mew duo, so named because of their similar genetic structure and Mewtwo's origin as an enhanced clone of Mew, are a pair of catlike Pokémon which are believed by many to be among the most rare and powerful Pokémon that exist. Mewtwo is Legendary, while Mew is Mythical.

In the games, {{p|Mew}} is only mentioned in years-old journals found in the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on [[Cinnabar Island]]. It was the first Mythical Pokémon. In {{game|Emerald}}, a wild Mew can be found on [[Faraway Island]], an event-exclusive area. This is the only time a Mew has been legitimately able to be caught in the wild.

Mew appears in the anime in both [[M01|the first movie]] and [[M08|the eighth movie]]. In the first, it appears to fight against Mewtwo, while in the second, its status as the Pokémon from which life began is explored.

In the games, {{p|Mewtwo}} is revealed to have been genetically modified from Mew in its Pokédex entries. Mewtwo was too powerful, however, and it escaped from the Pokémon Mansion, destroying it in the process. Mewtwo then made its home in [[Cerulean Cave]], where all kinds of powerful Pokémon live.

In the anime, {{OBP|Mewtwo|original series}} was featured prominently, appearing in several episodes of the [[original series]], [[M01|the first movie]], and [[Mewtwo Returns|the first special episode]]. Mewtwo's origin is slightly different as well, with [[Team Rocket]] boss {{an|Giovanni}} funding a group of scientists to create an enhanced clone of {{p|Mew}} for his own use. Though Mewtwo is initially a very angry Pokémon, viewing all humans as evil due to the acts of the scientists and Giovanni, eventually, when [[Ash Ketchum]] sacrifices himself to stop the fighting between Mew and Mewtwo, Mewtwo's heart softens, and it learns that some humans do care about their, and all, Pokémon. Meeting up with Ash again, Mewtwo is further shown that, although it is a genetically-enhanced clone of Mew, he and the other clones are no different than normal Pokémon, and because it erased Ash and his friends' memory at the end of their first meeting, realizes that Ash himself truly does care for others, even if he doesn't know them.

Mewtwo is known in the anime to travel around the world, traversing rooftops at night, and living its life free. It occasionally appears in anime openings, sometimes with Mew, and sometimes alone.

Mewtwo received two [[Mega Evolution]]s in [[Generation VI]], which increase its base stat total to 780, currently higher than any other Pokémon. Mega Mewtwo Y was featured in ''[[M16|Pokémon the Movie: Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]''.

===Generation II===
More Legendary and Mythical Pokémon were introduced in [[Generation II]], adding five more Legendary Pokémon for a running total of 9, as well as the second Mythical Pokémon. The Legendary and Mythical Pokémon introduced in this generation down can be separated into three groups.

====Legendary beasts====
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[[File:Entei Raikou Suicune.png|thumb|right|250px|[[Eusine]] and {{ga|Lyra}} discover {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} in the basement of the [[Burned Tower]]]]
Like the Legendary birds of the previous generation, a second trio of similar types was introduced in the neighboring [[Johto]] region. These Legendary beasts, so named because their features are based on many different creatures, both real and mythical, as well as mythological deities, were trapped in the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] when it was struck by lightning and burned to the ground, resulting in their death. The trio was revived by the power of {{p|Ho-Oh}} and now [[roaming Pokémon|roam across the land]] because of their great power. It is unknown whether the three were already a Suicune, Raikou, and Entei when they died, or whether they were simply three non-Legendary Pokémon, and Ho-Oh reincarnated them as the first Legendary beasts. In the case of the latter, it is possible that these three would be the original three beasts, who created multiple descendants. For example, a new Entei is said to be born whenever a new volcano is formed.

In the games, more than one of each exists, with only the trio that roams Johto after being discovered in Brass Tower's basement during [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]] being that of the legend. Each was captured and changed into a [[Shadow Pokémon]] by [[Cipher]] in {{g|Colosseum}}, while one of the three, depending on the player's [[starter Pokémon]] choice, roams Kanto in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, {{p|Entei}} for {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Raikou}} for {{p|Squirtle}}, and {{p|Suicune}} for {{p|Charmander}}.

In the anime, the Legendary beasts did not appear together until [[M13|the thirteenth movie]], despite being introduced in Generation II. It appears that an initial plan for the three Johto-era {{pkmn|movie}}s was to have each feature one of the Legendary beasts in a central role, with {{OBP|Entei|M03}} taking a central role in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown: Entei]]'' and {{OBP|Suicune|M04}} taking the stage in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''. This did not pan out, however, possibly due to the canning of Johto's {{p|Celebi}} plotline, and Raikou was relegated to a role in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', featuring anime characters based on {{ga|Ethan}} and {{ga|Kris}}, rather than [[M05|the fifth movie]], which focused on Legendary Pokémon from the then-upcoming [[Generation III]] instead.

Each of the beasts made an episodic appearance, as well, with Entei appearing in ''[[EP259|Entei at Your Own Risk]]'', Raikou briefly appearing in ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]'', and Suicune having the most prominence (as in the games) through its appearance in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'dile]]'', ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll!]]'', and ''[[DP028|Drifloon On the Wind!]]''.

====Tower duo====
[[File:Lugia and ho-oh.jpg|200px|thumb|left|{{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}}]]
The first [[game mascot]]s that were also Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} are a pair of Legendary birds which formerly resided in [[Ecruteak City]] atop tall towers, leading to their designation. However, when the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]], the home of Lugia, was struck by lightning and burned to the ground, they both flew away, Lugia resolving to make its new home in the [[Whirl Islands]] and Ho-Oh to search the world for a pure-hearted Trainer. The two are thought to be as closely related as they are polar opposites, being based on the eastern legends of the {{wp|Fènghuáng}} and {{wp|Ryūjin}}.

In the games, Lugia does not play a central role in the Generation II storyline, instead being mentioned only as having lived in Ecruteak City before the Brass Tower burned. It is found in the Whirl Islands in the Generation II games and their {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|remakes}} if the player holds a {{key|IV|Silver Wing}}. It reaches prominence in the storyline of {{g|XD: Gale of Darkness}}, in which [[Shadow Lugia|one]] is corrupted by [[Cipher]] to become the ultimate [[Shadow Pokémon]], unable to be purified. It is also available on [[Navel Rock]] in Generation III, as an event-exclusive Legendary Pokémon.

In the anime, Lugia is featured in a central role in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', in which it is revealed that {{Ash}} is the Chosen One who must help it to quell the fighting of the [[Legendary birds]]. Another pair of them appeared when Ash and his friends traveled to the Whirl Islands in Johto. Likewise, in ''[[M05|Pokémon Heroes: Latios & Latias]]'', {{OBP|Latios|M05}} was stated have a father. This implies that at least some Legendary Pokémon can breed in the anime, unlike in the games.

Ho-Oh has a much greater focus during Generation II, being named as the creator of the Legendary beasts. It can be found, if the player has a {{key|IV|Rainbow Wing}}, atop the [[Bell Tower]] in the Generation II games and their remakes. It makes an appearance in {{g|Colosseum}}, as well, as a reward for purifying all Shadow Pokémon and clearing [[Mt. Battle]]'s 100-battle challenge, and on [[Navel Rock]] like Lugia.

In the anime, {{an|Ho-Oh}} is notably the first Legendary Pokémon that appeared (outside of the [[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master|opening animation]], at least), flying over a rainbow as [[Ash Ketchum]] started his journey, at the end of ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]''. Ash has subsequently seen it several times over the course of his journey, but has never come face-to-face with it.

====Celebi====
[[File:Celebi Shrine.png|thumb|right|100px|{{p|Celebi}} on its [[Ilex Forest shrine|shrine]] in [[Ilex Forest]]]]
Although it has no relation to Mew that has been revealed, {{p|Celebi}} was dubbed the "New Mew" when it was introduced in Generation II because of their similar size and stats, as well as the status of being the last in the [[National Pokédex]] as of its generation and being unobtainable through normal gameplay. Unlike Mew, however, it was not believed to be the ancestor of all Pokémon, but merely the guardian of forests, traveling through time to make sure of their purity. Celebi was the second Mythical Pokémon to be released.

In the games, Celebi is available only by event, either directly (via [[Trade|trading]] or [[Mystery Gift]]), or, in {{game|Crystal}}, through an event involving the [[GS Ball]]. This made it the first Mythical Pokémon that was able to be captured from the wild in the games after using an event-only item, something which would continue forward up until Generation V. Celebi also makes an appearance in {{g|Colosseum}} and {{g|XD: Gale of Darkness}}, but it is unobtainable.

In the anime, Celebi takes a central role in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]'' and ''[[AG155|The Green Guardian]]''. In the movie, [[Celebi (M04)|one]] accidentally brings [[Sam]] to the future when attempting to escape from a poacher, and is later captured in a [[Iron-Masked Marauder|Team Rocket member]]'s [[Dark Ball]]s to be used to destroy the forest and rule the world. In the episode, another is attempting to heal after putting out a forest fire, and needs the help of Pokémon Ranger [[Solana]], as well as the anime's protagonists, to do so. A {{OBP|Celebi|M13}} also played an important role in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'', in which [[Grings Kodai]] wanted to use the "ripple of time" created by Celebi's time travels to allow himself to get visions of the future.

===Generation III===
Many more Legendary and Mythical Pokémon were added to the roster in [[Generation III]], with the eight new Legendary Pokémon bringing the total to 17, and the third and fourth Mythical Pokémon being released. At this point in the series, Legendary Pokémon began to have a greater role in the storyline of the games, with the plot of the [[villainous teams]] introduced in this generation and the next involving the reawakening of ancient Legendary Pokémon for the team's own use. Mythical Pokémon, however, remained unrelated to the games' storylines.

Many of the stories regarding the legendaries were slightly changed, or given a new perspective in the [[Remakes]] of Generation III, [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. Five of them also received new forms.

====Legendary golems====
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[[File:Regis.png|thumb|left|250px|{{p|Regice}}, {{p|Registeel}}, and {{p|Regirock}}]]
This third trio of Legendary Pokémon, based on the {{wp|golem}}s of Hebrew legend, is featured minimally in [[Hoenn]] legend. This Legendary trio, as well as its [[trio master|master]], {{p|Regigigas}}, is commonly considered to have the most complicated method of in-game availability, with puzzles made of [[braille]] in the Hoenn region being the keys to unlocking their mystery.

As complex as the method in which they are obtained is the legend of the golems, which is told in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} and finally completed in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}. Long ago, an ancient Pokémon, {{p|Regigigas}}, was said to have moved the continents into their present positions by pulling them with ropes. After it was finished, it created in its image three Pokémon: {{p|Regirock}}, from clay, {{p|Regice}}, from ice, and {{p|Registeel}}, from magma. Ancient people, seeing that the Pokémon was so powerful, sealed it away in the [[Snowpoint Temple]], while those it had created were separated from it and taken to the Hoenn region, sealed in three chambers, and left in the hopes that one day, someone would unlock the chambers and be able to tame the three so as to tame Regigigas. They are available in the [[Desert Ruins]], [[Island Cave]], and [[Ancient Tomb]] in Hoenn; as well as the [[Rock Peak Ruins]], [[Iceberg Ruins]], [[Iron Ruins]] in [[Sinnoh]] with an event {{p|Regigigas}}; and the [[Underground Ruins]] in [[Unova]].

In the anime, the [[Legendary golems (M08)|three Legendary golems]] starred together guarding the [[Tree of Beginning]] in ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', as well as members of {{FB|Pyramid King|Brandon}}'s team in the Battle Frontier saga.

====Eon duo====
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[[File:Latias Latios.png|thumb|220px|right|{{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}}]]
Another of Hoenn's minor Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}} do not have a distinct legend behind them. Nonetheless, they are incredibly rare, with only one of the two available in normal gameplay and the other available through an event.

Latios and Latias take on counterpart availability in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} as well as {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, with Latios being a [[roaming Pokémon]] in Ruby and SoulSilver, and Latias doing the same in Sapphire and HeartGold. In Emerald, after the player has defeated the Elite Four, their mother will ask if the Pokémon mentioned on TV was red or blue, and depending on that, one of the two will be roaming Hoenn. The other member of the duo will be found on [[Southern Island]], accessible by [[Eon Ticket]], in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, and in [[Pewter City]], through the [[Enigma Stone]] event, in HeartGold and SoulSilver.

[[File:Mega Latias ORAS Trailer.png|250px|thumb|right|Mega {{p|Latios}} and Mega {{p|Latias}}]]
In Generation VI, Latias and Latios gained [[Mega Evolution]]s. In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, the Eon duo plays a much larger role in the main game's plot. They sense the grave danger Hoenn is about to face from the actions of Team Magma/Aqua, and while the {{player}} is talking to {{Steven}} on the east side of {{rt|118|Hoenn}}, {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|AS}} appears before the two, asking for their help. The player and Steven ride the Eon Pokémon to protect its counterpart from {{FB|Magma Admin|Courtney}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{FB|Aqua Admin|Matt}}{{sup/6|AS}} and her/his subordinate. After the fight {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}} joins the player's party, holding its respective [[Mega Stone]]. Noticing the Mega Stone, Steven also gives the player a [[Key Stone|Mega Bracelet]]. After defeating Groudon/Kyogre, the player receives an item called the {{key|VI|Eon Flute}} from Steven, highlighting the special bond between the two. The items enables the player to summon the Eon Pokémon and use it to [[soaring in the sky|soar]] through the skies of Hoenn.

In the anime, Latios and Latias were the stars of ''[[M05|Pokémon Heroes: Latios & Latias]]'', in which the two guarded the legendary city of [[Alto Mare]]. With a strong connection to the [[Soul Dew]], the two were responsible for protecting it from {{mov|Annie}} and [[Oakley]], who wished to steal it. In the main series, {{si|Tobias}} used a Latios against Ash, as his second Pokémon in the first semi-final battle of the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]]. A [[Nurse Joy]] had a Latias when testing the Pewter Gym in [[SS025]].

====Weather trio====
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[[File:Weather trio.png|250px|thumb|right|A depiction of the cataclysmic battle between {{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}}]]
This trio of super-ancient Pokémon, known as the weather trio due to their [[weather]]-related [[Ability|Abilities]], serve as the [[game mascot]]s of {{3v|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}, and are the first Legendary trio to all be game mascots. The trio represents the three major components of the Earth: the hydrosphere, the lithosphere, and the atmosphere. Said to have shaped the land and sea, {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} are among the most powerful Legendary Pokémon, while {{p|Rayquaza}} prevents the two from quarreling.

During the course of {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, [[Team Magma]] or [[Team Aqua]], depending on the version, seeks out Groudon or Kyogre respectively, with the intention of awakening them to make more homes for Pokémon of the land or sea. Eventually, the plan goes wrong, and the player is forced to defeat or capture the Legendary Pokémon to stop a global disaster. In {{game|Emerald}}, instead, both teams are on the loose, intending to awaken their respective Legendary Pokémon, and only by interference from the player and {{p|Rayquaza}} does the fight end up resolved.

The three members of the trio received new forms in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}. Rayquaza is now able to Mega Evolve, and Groudon and Kyogre can undergo [[Primal Reversion]] while holding their respective Orb. Primal Reversion is considered the opposite of Mega Evolution. The latter is the outcome of the connection between Pokémon and human, and the former is derived solely from the Pokémon itself. While Groudon{{sup/6|OR}}/Kyogre{{sup/6|AS}} are again sought by Team Magma{{sup/6|OR}}/Aqua{{sup/6|AS}}, Rayquaza is the target of a mysterious girl named [[Zinnia]] during the post game plot called Delta Episode.

In the game, their history is revealed: Thousands of years ago, during the primal age, the world was overflowing with natural energy. Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre fought over that energy in endless furious clashes. In the face of Primal Groudon and Kyogre's great power, people could do nothing. But Rayquaza intervened, and its power overwhelmed that of the two Primal Pokémon, and peace returned to the world. A thousand years later, a meteoroid hit the earth, causing cracks in the ground that unleashed natural energy, causing Groudon and Kyogre to re-battle each other. Humans had a collective memory of how Rayquaza saved their race long ago, and that wish combined with the power of the Meteorite allowed Rayqauza to Mega Evolve for the first time and calm the two from quarreling.

In the anime, Groudon and Kyogre appeared in the two-part episode consisting of ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'' and ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]''. In these episodes, Team Magma and Team Aqua finally succeed in awakening the two, as in the games, though their conflict is resolved very quickly. Rayquaza appeared in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'', where it fought against the pair of {{OBP|Deoxys|M07}}. The weather trio all made a starring appearance in their Primal/Mega Forms in ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'', engaging in a violent clash with many other legendaries.

====Jirachi====
[[File:385Jirachi AG anime.png|thumb|left|220px|{{p|Jirachi}} in the anime]]
The third Mythical Pokémon to be released and the first introduced in Generation III, {{p|Jirachi}} is known to grant wishes written on the tags on its head each time it awakens: once every millennium.

In the games, Jirachi has never had a concrete location tied to it, and it cannot be captured from the wild legitimately. However, several direct transfers have been present in the history of the franchise, most notably in the form of a [[Pokémon Colosseum Bonus Disc|bonus disc]] released as a preview of {{g|Colosseum}} which fixes the [[Berry glitch]] present in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}.

Jirachi starred in ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'', in which it befriended [[Max]] as the group attempted to keep it away from [[Butler]], a former [[Team Magma]] operative. Jirachi made its TV debut in ''[[BW132|Searching for a Wish!]]'', during the [[Decolore Islands]] saga, when one emerged after a slumber of 1,000 years.

====Deoxys====
[[File:386Deoxys formes.png|thumb|220px|{{p|Deoxys}} in its four Formes: Attack, Normal, Defense, Speed]]
A virus from space which mutated when shot by a laser, {{p|Deoxys}} was the first Mythical Pokémon known to [[List of Pokémon with form differences|change form]], taking different forms on in each of the [[Generation III]] games - Normal Forme in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, Attack Forme in {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|Pokémon FireRed|s}}, Defense Forme in {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|Pokémon LeafGreen|s}}, and Speed Forme in {{game|Emerald}}, and being able to change them at will starting from [[Generation IV]] games with special meteorites found in [[Veilstone City]] in [[Sinnoh]], {{rt|3|Kanto}} in [[Kanto]], [[Nacrene City]] in [[Unova]], [[Ambrette Town]] in [[Kalos]], and [[Fallarbor Town]] in [[Hoenn]].

In the games, Deoxys was originally only available on [[Birth Island]] when the {{DL|Event item|AuroraTicket}} is downloaded to FireRed, LeafGreen, or Emerald, though as with all Mythical Pokémon, it has also been available through direct download via [[Mystery Gift]]. As of {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, however, Deoxys is now available without an event.

Deoxys featured heavily in the seventh Pokémon movie, ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'', in which its Attack and Defense Formes were first revealed. One of the two {{OBP|Deoxys|M07}} featured befriends a boy named [[Tory Lund]], who fears Pokémon otherwise and does not realize what Deoxys is, while the other seeks out the first, concerned for its safety. Another Deoxys featured in ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]'', in which Deoxys's Speed Forme debuted in the anime.

===Generation IV===
Nine more Legendary Pokémon and four Mythical Pokémon (five counting Phione) were added in [[Generation IV]], the most of any generation so far, bringing the total to 26 Legendary Pokémon and eight Mythical Pokémon (nine counting Phione). Many of the Legendary Pokémon of this generation have little connection to the plot of the games, instead being minor, post-League sidequests for the player to go on. Three of the newly introduced Legendary Pokémon and three of the new Mythical Pokémon (four counting Phione) are not in Sinnoh's regional Pokédex, appearing only in the National Pokédex.

Prior to Generation IV, 680 had been the limit on any Pokémon's [[Base stats|base stat]] total: this limit was set by {{p|Mewtwo}} in [[Generation I]] and was only matched—never surpassed—in Generation II and Generation III. In Generation IV, however, the most powerful of all Pokémon in terms of base stats was no longer Mewtwo or any of its equals, but {{p|Arceus}}, the supposed creator of the Pokémon universe.

====Lake guardians====
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[[File:Lake guardians anime.png|thumb|205px|right|{{p|Azelf}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Uxie}} in the anime]]
The lake guardians, [[Sinnoh]]'s native Legendary trio, represent the spirit of all consciousness, with {{p|Uxie}} embodying knowledge, {{p|Mesprit}} embodying emotion, and {{p|Azelf}} embodying willpower. According to legend, having been created by {{p|Arceus|the Original One}}, the trio have the power to tame the powerful dragons it also created.

In the games, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf are found in the caverns of [[Lake Acuity]], [[Lake Verity]], and [[Lake Valor]], though Mesprit will roam Sinnoh after the player has encountered it, rather than battle immediately as the other two will. The trio are captured by [[Team Galactic]]'s {{tc|Commander}}s, [[Jupiter]], [[Mars]], and [[Saturn]], and subjected to the experiments of [[Charon]] to draw out the [[Red Chain]] from the gems in their bodies. [[Cyrus]] summons {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, and alone, the lake guardians' power is not enough to stop them. {{p|Giratina}} interferes and draws Cyrus into the Distortion World, where the lake guardians assist the player in navigation through Giratina's lair.

In the anime, the lake guardians appeared, first in spirit form, in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'', ''[[DP078|Pruning a Passel of Pals]]'', and ''[[DP133|Uncrushing Defeat!]]'', to {{an|Dawn}}, {{Ash}}, and {{an|Brock}}. They were captured by [[J]], who had been hired by [[Team Galactic]], in ''[[DP151|The Needs of the Three!]]'', and were freed by Ash, Dawn, and Brock to stop the power of Dialga and Palkia in ''[[DP152|The Battle Finale of Legend!]]''.

====Creation trio====
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[[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.png|180px|thumb|right|{{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}} artwork from {{game|Platinum}}]]
The Legendary creators of the Pokémon universe, the creation trio consisting of {{p|Dialga}} of time, {{p|Palkia}} of space, and {{p|Giratina}} of antimatter, are, like the weather trio before them, the mascots of [[Sinnoh]]'s trio of games, {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

In the games, Dialga and Palkia are sought by [[Cyrus]] to destroy and then remake the universe without spirit, a feature he hates about humanity. In Diamond and Pearl, Dialga or Palkia can be caught at [[Spear Pillar]], while Giratina may be obtained after the Pokémon League has been conquered. In Platinum, however, Giratina interferes with Cyrus's planned destruction of the universe, and may be captured in its home, the [[Distortion World]], while Dialga and Palkia cannot be found until the Elite Four have been defeated.

In the anime, {{mov|Dialga}} and {{mov|Palkia}} appeared together, fighting, in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', while Dialga and {{mov|Giratina}} appeared in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. The three appeared together, finally, in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'' and ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]''. Dialga and Palkia were also summoned at the Spear Pillar and chained by Cyrus in ''[[DP152|The Battle Finale of Legend!]]'', but were freed when he escaped into another universe and the Red Chain was shattered by Ash, Dawn, Brock, and their Pokémon.

In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]] and [[Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum]] only, Dialga and Palkia were referenced as "mythical Pokémon" with a lowercase ''M'', seemingly a subset of rather than a distinct group from Legendary; it should be noted that this was prior to the use of the term Mythical with a capital ''M'' from Generation V and onwards, and was a translation of '''神話のポケモン''' ''mythical Pokémon'' rather than '''幻のポケモン''' ''Illusory Pokémon'', the latter of which is referenced by the currently-used English term Mythical.

====Lunar duo====
[[File:Cresselia and Darkrai DP4 artwork.png|thumb|175px|left|{{p|Cresselia}} and {{p|Darkrai}}]]
{{p|Cresselia}}, a Legendary Pokémon, and {{p|Darkrai}}, a Mythical Pokémon, represent two phases of the moon with opposite connotations: Darkrai represents the {{wp|new moon}}, the cause of the darkest nights and bringer of nightmares, while Cresselia represents the {{wp|crescent moon}}, a sign of hope and good dreams.

In the games, Cresselia can be found on [[Fullmoon Island]] as part of a post-League quest to rid {{tc|Sailor}} [[Eldritch]]'s son of a nightmare. She will flee immediately, roaming Sinnoh and leaving behind a [[Lunar Wing]], which will heal the boy. In [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]], Cresselia can be found on [[Marvelous Bridge]] after obtaining the Lunar Wing in the [[Strange House]]. Darkrai is found on [[Newmoon Island]], accessible only with a [[Member Card]], and can only be obtained through an event.

The lunar duo made their debuts separately, with a {{OBP|Darkrai|M10}} appearing in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', attempting to stop Dialga and Palkia's fight from destroying its home, [[Alamos Town]], and protecting [[Alice]], its friend. Cresselia first appeared in ''[[DP104|Sleepless in Pre-Battle!]]'', in which she fought briefly against a Darkrai.

====Sea guardians====
[[File:Manaphyphione.png|thumb|right|220px|{{p|Manaphy}} and {{p|Phione}}]]
The sea guardian Pokémon are a Mythical duo that, somewhat like Mewtwo and Mew, comprises a parent and child. {{p|Manaphy}}, a Mythical Pokémon that makes its home in colder seas south of the known regions, bears {{p|Phione}} when bred in captivity in the known regions.

In the games, Manaphy can only be found through an event: either it may be transferred in its Egg from one of the {{ga|Pokémon Ranger|Ranger}} games after activating an event in those games, or it can be directly received via various Mystery Gift events. Like Jirachi, it cannot be legitimately found in the wild. Phione must be bred from a Manaphy and a {{p|Ditto}}.

In the anime, Manaphy debuted in ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', in which, like in the games, it first appeared as an Egg, and befriended {{an|May}}, who it regarded as its mother. It was the only Pokémon able to find the mysterious Temple of the Sea, [[Samiya]], and was regarded as the Prince of the Sea. For this, it was sought by [[the Phantom]], a pirate who wished to take the jewels of the Sea Crown deep in Samiya. Phione debuted under different circumstances, being found in [[Chocovine Town]] in ''[[DP113|Hold the Phione!]]'', in which they were revered as bringers of good luck.

Phione's status as a Mythical Pokémon is disputed, with several pieces of evidence and even official statements often contradicting each other. Further information can be found [[Phione#Mythical status|here]].

====Heatran====
[[File:Heatran anime.png|thumb|right|250px|{{p|Heatran}} in the anime]]
{{p|Heatran}} is the embodiment of the planet's boiling {{wp|core}}, appearing in [[Stark Mountain]] in [[Sinnoh]], [[Reversal Mountain]] in [[Unova]], and [[Scorched Slab]]{{sup/6|ORAS}} in [[Hoenn]], where it was said to have been born at the same time as Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina created Sinnoh at the [[Spear Pillar]] and created the [[Battle Zone]]. Heatran is the only Legendary Pokémon with a variable gender.

Heatran first appeared in the anime in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', under the control of [[Marcus]], and later appeared in ''[[DP169|Pokémon Ranger: Heatran Rescue!]]'' as part of a Pokémon Ranger rescue mission.

====Regigigas====
[[File:Regigigas anime.png|thumb|left|250px|{{p|Regigigas}} in the anime]]
{{p|Regigigas}} is the master of the [[Legendary golems]], having created them in ancient times and was said to have moved the continents in place, pulling them by rope.

In the games, Regigigas is found at the [[Snowpoint Temple]]{{sup/4|DPPt}}, [[Twist Mountain]]{{sup/5|B2W2}}, and [[Island Cave]]{{sup/6|ORAS}}, though it will not awaken unless all three of the Legendary golems are in the player's party.

Regigigas appeared in the anime in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'', in which it attempted to stop a glacier from destroying [[Ten'i Village]]. Another appeared in ''[[DP129|Pillars of Friendship!]]'', in which it was hunted by [[J]] and defended by {{FB|Pyramid King|Brandon}}.

====Shaymin====
[[File:Seabreak path.png|thumb|right|220px|{{p|Shaymin}} running down [[Seabreak Path]]]]
{{p|Shaymin}} is a Mythical Pokémon that has the ability to purify areas instantly and bring plant life in abundance. Unlike previous Mythical Pokémon with its straight-100 base stats, however, Shaymin has the ability to change forms, between Land Forme and Sky Forme.

In the games, like Darkrai, Shaymin is catchable in the wild after an event item has been obtained: this time [[Oak's Letter]], which requests the player's help on {{rt|224|Sinnoh}}. After giving thanks to someone or something, Shaymin will appear, and will be available to be caught at the end of the [[Seabreak Path]] that appears, in the [[Flower Paradise]].

Shaymin has a central role in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'', when it, as well as its Sky Forme, were officially revealed. It also has a major role in ''[[DP168|Keeping In Top Forme!]]'' involving [[Marley]].

====Arceus====
[[File:Arceus ruins art.png|thumb|left|220px|{{p|Arceus}} creates a Pokémon Egg for {{ga|Ethan}} and {{ga|Lyra}}]]
The final Pokémon of Generation IV, {{p|Arceus}} is, according to Sinnoh legend, the creator of the Pokémon universe. Born of an Egg in the chaos at the beginning, Arceus's powers were awakened immediately, and from itself it made time and space, matter and antimatter, and set {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}} to guard them. It created spirit as well, setting {{p|Uxie}} in charge of knowledge, {{p|Mesprit}} in charge of emotion, and {{p|Azelf}} in charge of willpower, before falling into an eternal slumber. Arceus has the highest base stat total of any Mythical Pokémon.

Arceus can be awoken from its sleep using an [[Azure Flute]] at the [[Spear Pillar]], which will open a staircase to its home, the [[Hall of Origin]], where it can be captured. Despite being coded into {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, the Azure Flute was never released, so it is not possible to go to the Hall of Origin.

In the anime, {{OBP|Arceus|M12}} starred in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', in which it set out to destroy [[Michina Town]] and its people for their betrayal in ancient times. After changing history with the help of Dialga, Ash and his friends revealed to Arceus the true nature of human beings, and it left Michina Town in peace.
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===Generation V===
Nine additional Legendary Pokémon and four Mythical Pokémon were added in [[Generation V]], totaling 35 Legendary Pokémon and 12 Mythical (13, counting [[Generation IV]]'s Phione). {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} played a large role in the storyline of Black and White, with the respective mascot Pokémon being a necessary and unavoidable capture to progress to the endgame. The rest of the Pokémon mattered little to the narrative progression.

====Victini====
[[File:Victini-Liberty Garden Island.png|thumb|160px|{{ga|Hilda}}, {{p|Victini}}, and {{ga|Hilbert}}]]
{{p|Victini}} is found at the beginning of [[List of Pokémon by Unova Pokédex number|Unova's Pokédex]], being #000. Much like {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, {{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Manaphy}} and {{p|Shaymin}} before it, each of its base stats are 100. It is the first [[Generation V]] Mythical Pokémon revealed and allowed to be obtained. Victini is considered the embodiment of victory. It is said that a Trainer with a Victini will win anything no matter what.

In Pokémon Black and White, if the player possesses the [[Liberty Ticket]], the player can take a boat to [[Liberty Garden]], where Team Plasma is attempting to obtain Victini for the energy it radiates. It is later revealed that Victini was sealed in the basement of the lighthouse by a wealthy person in order to protect it from people with bad intentions.

Victini is a star of [[M14|''White—Victini and Zekrom'' and ''Black—Victini and Reshiram'']].

====Swords of Justice====
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[[File:Swords of Justice.png|thumb|left|200px|The Swords of Justice]]
{{p|Cobalion}}, {{p|Terrakion}}, and {{p|Virizion}} are a trio of Legendary Pokémon based on the titular characters of the 1844 French novel ''{{wp|The Three Musketeers}}'', and partially on hooved mammals such as deer, antelopes, oxen, goats, and horses. According to legend, they protect Pokémon from having their habitats destroyed by humans and have been known to have attacked human castles during the Middle Ages. Like the Three Musketeers, they are considered a trio but have a fourth, younger member in the form of {{p|Keldeo}}, a Mythical Pokémon, whom the other three rescued and raised after its home was destroyed by fire. All four of them can use their horns like swords, and learn their former [[signature move]], {{m|Sacred Sword}}, at level 42 (43 for {{p|Keldeo}}, most likely to refer to it becoming part of the group later).

They made their anime debut together, in the fifteenth Pokémon film ''[[M15|Kyurem VS. The Sword of Justice]]'', where Keldeo was responsible for the freezing of the other three during a battle against {{OBP|Kyurem|M15}}, and sought help from {{Ash}} and {{ashfr|his friends}}. In the movie, Cobalion acts as the leader of the {{OBP|Swords of Justice|M15}}, protecting Pokémon and humans alike through the world.

====Forces of Nature====
[[File:Forces of Nature myth.png|thumb|200px|The [[Forces of Nature]] in the anime]]
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{{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, and {{p|Landorus}} are a trio of Pokémon based on {{wp|kami}}: {{wp|Fūjin}}, god of wind, {{wp|Raijin}}, god of thunder and lightning, and {{wp|Inari Ōkami|Inari}}, a fertility deity. Together the three represent the heavens and the nourishing effect the sky has upon the earth. According to a folktale retold by children at the [[Abundant Shrine]], Landorus punished Tornadus and Thundurus for destroying the land with gales and thunderstorms, and a shrine was built in honor of him. In [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]] they receive a new Forme, the Therian Forme, with their old Forme known as the Incarnate Forme; the Formes can be switched between with the [[Reveal Glass]].

In the anime, the Forces of Nature were sought by [[Team Rocket]] in Unova from ''[[BW056|The Lonely Deino!]]'' until they were able to awaken them on [[Milos Island]] in ''[[BW059|Stopping the Rage of Legends! Part 1]]'' and ''[[BW060|Part 2]]''. Tornadus and Thundurus fought on the island, while Ash and his friends awakened Landorus to put a stop to the fight (they all appeared in Incarnate Forme during these episodes). They debuted in Therian Forme in ''[[BW097|Unova's Survival Crisis!]]'', when Team Rocket once again attempted to capture them as the final goal of "Operation Tempest". Together, they are said to have the power to control nature, which can be harnessed by one who possesses both {{an|Meloetta}} and the Reveal Glass.

====Tao trio====
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[[File:Tao trio.png|thumb|left|200px|{{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} confronting {{p|Kyurem}}]]
{{p|Zekrom}} and {{p|Reshiram}} represent balance through the aspects of {{wp|Tao|Yin and Yang}}, respectively. Originally, they were a single dragon that helped found the Unova region's nation, but fighting between the [[Heroes of Truth and Ideals|two brothers]] who founded the nation split them into two halves. Despite this, the two Pokémon do not willingly fight each other.

In the games, [[Team Plasma]] hunt either Reshiram or Zekrom in {{game|Black and White|s}} in order to use them to liberate all Pokémon from their owners. [[N]] captures one of them and defeats [[Alder]]. The other dragon emerges from the [[Dragon Stone]] the player possesses, and the player must capture it and use it to defeat N. After his defeat, N rides off on his dragon to a far-off region. In [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]], which take place two years later, [[Ghetsis]] revives Team Plasma and captures Kyurem in order to freeze and take control of the Unova region. N confronts him with Zekrom/Reshiram, but Ghetsis seizes the opportunity to fuse the Tao dragon with Kyurem using the [[DNA Splicers]] to create Black Kyurem/White Kyurem. The player defeats Kyurem and Ghetsis, restoring balance to the region.

Reshiram and Zekrom are the stars of [[M14|''Pokémon The Movie: White—Victini and Zekrom'' and ''Pokémon The Movie: Black—Victini and Reshiram'']] along with Victini. Zekrom debuted in ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]'' causing [[Ash's Pikachu]]'s electric crisis, and appeared in numerous flashbacks and fantasies afterwards. Reshiram also debuted in a cameo at the beginning of ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]'' and had a large role in the "Episode N" arc, as [[Team Plasma]]'s target, appearing in ''[[BW122|What Lies Beyond Truth and Ideals!]]''.

{{p|Kyurem}} is related to Reshiram and Zekrom and represents {{wp|Wuji (philosophy)|wuji}}, which is the absence of yin and yang. Using the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}}, Kyurem can be fused with Reshiram or Zekrom into White Kyurem or Black Kyurem, respectively; with the same item, the fusion can be undone.

Kyurem is the star of ''[[M15|Kyurem VS. The Sword of Justice]]'' along with Keldeo, where it seems as a ferocious Pokémon, and can change forms without the DNA Splicers.

====Meloetta====
[[File:Meloetta formes.png|thumb|right|180px|{{p|Meloetta}}'s two formes]]
{{p|Meloetta}}, the third Mythical Pokémon of Generation V, represents music (Aria Forme) and dance (Pirouette Forme). Legend says that it once sang and danced joyfully. However, when sorrow darkened the world, it lost the melody and its red shoes. Using {{m|Relic Song}} changes its form.

Meloetta made its anime debut in [[PK23]]. It made its TV debut in ''[[BW082|An Epic Defense Force!]]'' (in Aria Forme) and ''[[BW087|Expedition to Onix Island!]]'' (in Pirouette Forme).

====Genesect====
[[File:Genesect anime.png|thumb|left|200px|{{p|Genesect}} in the anime]]
{{p|Genesect}} is an ancient insect Pokémon who was feared as the strongest of hunters more than 300 million years ago. Team Plasma revived it from a [[Fossil]] and altered it with cybernetic upgrades in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence. It uses special [[Drive]]s to make variations to its signature move, {{m|Techno Blast}}. It is the final Mythical Pokémon of Generation V.

Genesect had its anime debut in a group called the [[Genesect Army]] that had escaped from Team Plasma's [[P2 Laboratory]]. They were first seen in {{an|N}} visions in ''[[BW110|The Name's N!]]'', and later on starred in the sixteenth Pokémon movie ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]'', in which they battled Mewtwo in [[New Tork City]].
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===Generation VI===
An additional three Legendary Pokémon and three Mythical Pokémon were added in [[Generation VI]], totaling 38 Legendary Pokémon and 15 Mythical (16 when including [[Generation IV]]'s Phione).


====Mortality duo====
[[File:Xerneas artwork.png|thumb|200px|{{p|Xerneas}}|left]]
[[File:Yveltal artwork.png|thumb|200px|{{p|Yveltal}}]]
The Legendary [[game mascot]]s of [[Pokémon X and Y]] are {{p|Xerneas}} and {{p|Yveltal}}. Xerneas and Yveltal represent life and destruction, respectively. Xerneas has the power to share eternal life, while Yveltal absorbs the life force of everything around it. Xerneas sleeps in the form of a tree, while Yveltal sleeps in the form of a cocoon.

In the games, [[Lysandre]] captures Xerneas or Yveltal to use their power in the [[ultimate weapon]] to create a "beautiful world" in his image. Either Xerneas or Yveltal are captured by the player at the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]] upon awakening from their dormant forms.

In the anime, Xerneas and Yveltal starred in the movie ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]'', along with Diancie, where Xerneas and Yveltal are shown to be residents of the [[Allearth Forest]]. Xerneas made a minor appearance in ''[[XY041|Foggy Pokémon Orienteering!]]'', being responsible for causing Ash and his friends to get lost in fog during the orienteering activity.

It is currently unconfirmed as to whether or not {{p|Zygarde}} belongs to this group.
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====Zygarde====
[[File:718Zygarde.png|thumb|200px|{{p|Zygarde}}|left]]
{{p|Zygarde}} is a Legendary Pokémon that has the Ability {{a|Aura Break}}, which reverses the effects of Xerneas and Yveltal's Abilities. It is said to monitor the balance of the ecosystem and reveal its power when the ecosystem is disrupted.

It has several different Formes. The form most commonly seen is known as Zygarde 50% Forme, in which it is said to be at half its true power. When its power is revealed, it becomes Zygarde Complete Forme, which bears power that exceeds Xerneas and Yveltal. It also bears a weaker Forme, called Zygarde 10% Forme, which is at 10% power and resembles a dog.

In addition to its Formes, there are two other components of Zygarde that have been seen: Zygarde Core, a miniature cell-like creature that is said to be the mind of Zygarde; and Zygarde Cell, a flattened version of Zygarde Core.

In {{g|X and Y}}, Zygarde can be caught at [[Terminus Cave]] after the player enters the [[Hall of Fame]]. It was featured in ''[[SS035|Mega Evolution Special IV]]'' in its 50% Forme, and a Zygarde Core also appeared.
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====Diancie====
[[File:719Diancie.png|thumb|200px|{{p|Diancie}}]]
{{p|Diancie}}, the Jewel Pokémon, is the first Mythical Pokémon introduced in [[Generation VI]]. It is a {{2t|Rock|Fairy}} type, and can create diamonds to protect itself.

Diancie appeared in ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]'', where it is the princess of the [[Diamond Domain]]. It is given the objective to create a new Heart Diamond for the domain, as the current one is faltering, and seeks Xerneas and its Fairy Aura to gain the power to do so. It is sought after by multiple thieves who desire its diamonds, and ultimately gains the power to make a Heart Diamond in an attempt to protect its friends from Yveltal. It appears with three [[Carbink servants]] and an elder Carbink named Dace.

It has the ability to Mega Evolve into Mega Diancie.
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====Hoopa====
[[File:720Hoopa.png|thumb|left|200px|{{p|Hoopa}}]]
{{p|Hoopa}} is the second Mythical Pokémon introduced in [[Generation VI]]. It has two formes. Hoopa Confined, the Mischief Pokémon, is a {{2t|Psychic|Ghost}} type, whilst Hoopa Unbound, the Djinn Pokémon, is a {{2t|Psychic|Dark}} type. It is said to be able to be able to warp space in order to take things it likes and carry them away into alternate dimensions. It is also said to have carried away an entire castle in an attempt to steal all of its treasure according to some legends.

Hoopa appeared in ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'' in both its Confined and Unbound forms.
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====Volcanion====
[[File:721Volcanion.png|thumb|200px|{{p|Volcanion}}]]
{{p|Volcanion}}, the Steam Pokémon, is the third and final Mythical Pokémon introduced in [[Generation VI]]. It is a {{2t|Fire|Water}} type Pokémon that uses steam from arms on its back to disappear in fog and blow away mountains. It lives in mountains uninhabited by humans.

It is currently unavailable in the [[Pokémon games]], and thus has not yet been featured in the anime, although it will act as one of the main stars of [[M19]].
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==Trivia==

* Though {{p|Unown}} is not considered to be a Legendary Pokémon, in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown: Entei]]'', it is shown in [[Molly Hale]]'s book about Legendary Pokémon, its power (in large numbers, at least) appears to match that of Legendary Pokémon, and it is explicitly referred to as a Legendary Pokémon.
* Ho-Oh is the only Generation II Legendary Pokémon who does not have a starring role in a movie.
* Each [[Generation]] has introduced at least one {{type|Flying}} Legendary or Mythical Pokémon, though the only such Pokémon in Generation IV, {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Arceus}}, are only Flying-type in their respective [[List of Pokémon with form differences|alternate forms]] (Sky Forme Shaymin and [[Sky Plate]] Arceus).
* {{p|Manaphy}} is the only Mythical Pokémon that can breed, and also not a member of the {{egg3|Undiscovered}}.
* {{p|Heatran}} is the only Legendary Pokémon that can be either gender.
* According to interviews with [[Junichi Masuda]] in 2009, Legendary Pokémon are the most difficult to design names for because Game Freak strives to make sure that the names of Legendary Pokémon are universal across the different translations, so extra work must be put into their names to make sure that they work universally in all languages and don't conflict with anything else. This is consistent with the relatively small number of Legendary Pokémon who have had their names changed significantly outside of Japan (currently nine: the [[Legendary birds]], the [[lake guardians]], and the [[Forces of Nature]]).
* Other than {{p|Arceus}} holding a {{DL|Plate|Toxic Plate}}, there are no {{type|Poison}} Legendary Pokémon, making it the only type not to include any Legendary Pokémon.
* Only {{p|Deoxys}}, {{p|Giratina}}, {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, and fused {{p|Kyurem}} have a battle theme that is shared with no other. {{p|Mew}} has its own battle theme; however, it is a remixed version of the normal [[Kanto]] wild battle theme.
** Each member of the [[Legendary beasts]] and the [[Tao trio]] has its own remix of each trio's designated battle theme:
*** In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, Suicune's theme uses bells, Entei's theme uses an electric guitar, and Raikou's theme is synthesized.
*** Reshiram's theme employs a burning fire effect, Zekrom's theme employs a crackling thunder effect, and normal Kyurem's theme features an extra slapped bass part playing in the background.
* The Legendary birds of Kanto are the most available wild Legendary Pokémon, able to be caught in eleven main series games each ([[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Pokémon Red, Green]], [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{v2|Platinum}}, {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} and [[Pokémon X and Y]]). The least available wild Legendary or Mythical Pokémon are {{p|Celebi}} and {{p|Mew}}, which only appear in the wild in one game apiece; each encounter requires an [[event item]] to activate it. {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Darkrai}} may also count, as the event items for the two, though existent in the games' coding, were not released to players of {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}, with the Mystery Gift events only available for players of {{v2|Platinum}}.
* Genderless Legendary Pokémon who appear in the anime are usually given a voice that is either identifiably male or female, if able to [[Talking Pokémon|converse with humans]]. One exception is {{OBP|Arceus|M12}} in the original Japanese, who was voiced by Akihiro Miwa (a female impersonator) in order to give it an androgynous-sounding voice.
* While the first Mythical Pokémon, Mew, was added to the original games right before release, the concept of "illusory monsters" (Mythical Pokémon) already existed in [[Satoshi Tajiri]]'s pitch for [[Capsule Monsters]]. Some of them were said not to be catchable, and some not even encounterable. As an example, there would be a "Green Dragon" that could only be found rarely in a specific area of a dungeon, and it would have taken around 2 hours to find and catch.<ref name="ref1">[http://www.glitterberri.com/pokemon-red-blue/early-concept-art/2/ GlitterBerri's Game Translations » Early Concept Art]</ref>

==In other languages==
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==See also==
* [[Event Pokémon]]
* [[Special Pokémon]]
* [[Myths and legends involving Legendary Pokémon]]
* [[Sinnoh myths]]
* [[History of the Pokémon world]]
* [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon]]

==External links==
*[http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/ Pokémon Power Bracket at Pokémon.com]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Arceus (Pokémon)

2016-02-11T05:32:03Z

Jdogno4: There has been a discussion on this. It has seemingly run as much as it will likely ever.

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'''Arceus''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''アルセウス''' ''Arceus'') is a {{type|Normal}} [[Legendary Pokémon|Mythical Pokémon]].

While it is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon, it will [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Arceus|change type]] when it is holding a [[Plate]].

Like {{p|Darkrai}} and {{p|Shaymin}} before it, Arceus was not officially recognized by Nintendo until February 14, 2009, the year of its debut movie. It was officially revealed to international audiences on August 3, 2009.

Arceus is known as "The Original One", as it is said that it created [[Sinnoh]] and [[Ransei]], and possibly the entire [[Pokémon universe]], along with the [[lake guardians]] and [[creation trio]].

It is the [[trio master]] of both the lake guardians and the creation trio.

==Biology==
Arceus is a white equine resembling a {{wp|qilin}} or {{wp|centaur}} with a gray, vertically-striated underside. The striated pattern has similar recurrences on the underside of its mane, tail, and face. Its four pointed feet are tipped with gold hooves. Its long mane juts away from its head, and its face is gray, with green eyes and red pupils, and a green circular pattern below its eyes. Arceus also has a streak of gold coloration on its head, and ears that point upward. Its neck is fairly long, with two pairs of extrusions to the sides, and a flap-like feature on the neck's underside that is colored white like much of the body. It also has a golden cross-like wheel attached to its body by its round abdomen, which changes color along with its eyes and hooves based on Arceus's current type, which depends on the [[plate]] that it wields. The wheel also has four jewels attached to it. The pattern of striated gray of Arceus's underbelly resumes past Arceus's waist. Its limbs have gray undersides and extrusions at the tops of the legs. Arceus's tail is fairly like its mane in shape and coloration. According to legend, it shaped the Pokémon universe using its 1000 arms.

Arceus is thought to have created the [[Sinnoh]] region and possibly the entire [[Pokémon world]], the [[lake guardians]]: {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Azelf}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and the [[creation trio]]: {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}. Because of this, Arceus is thought to be one of the most long-lived of all Pokémon species. It has the power to recreate the creation trio as well, presumably to guard the dimensions when a Trainer has caught one of them. According to the anime, its power can also bring back things that it once destroyed, make certain things vanish into thin air, or to halt time.

Arceus is shown to care for and safeguard the planet in ancient times and protected it from cataclysms such as meteors, and it would show gratitude and compassion in return to those who treated it with equal kindness. Arceus does not suffer fools gladly, and it will attack in a violent rampage if betrayed or deceived. It also holds long grudges if betrayed by those it considered friends. In ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', it is said to "feed" off the energy of the elemental plates. It is the [[signature move|only known Pokémon]] that can learn {{m|Judgment}}.

==In the anime==
[[File:Arceus M12.png|thumb|250px|Arceus in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Arceus (M12)]]====
{{mov|Arceus|Arceus|12}} made its debut in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''. It was angry at the people of [[Michina Town]] for [[Damos]]'s unwitting betrayal of it in ancient times, and so attempted to destroy the land. When Ash and his friends are teleported by {{mov|Dialga}} to ancient times, they directly influence the event, changing the future for the better so that Arceus will stop its destruction.

Arceus made a brief cameo appearance in ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]''.

===Minor appearances===
In ''[[DP152|Battle Finale of Legend!]]'', although Arceus is neither seen or named, the [[Red Chain]] is said to contain the power of 'The Original One'. Using the Red Chain, Cyrus takes control of {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} by causing a red ring similar to the one surrounding Arceus's body to appear around their bodies.

==In the manga==
[[File:Arceus Fire Adventures.png|thumb|150px|Fire-type Arceus in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Arceus and the Jewel of Life manga===
Arceus appears as a central character in the {{ma|Arceus and the Jewel of Life}} manga adaptation, reprising its role from the film. After Arceus saved the world from a meteor, [[Damos]] took care of it. It gave Damos the [[Jewel of Life]] to make the land of [[Michina Town]] rich and fertile. Damos then "betrayed" Arceus, and it has been outraged ever since.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In the {{chap|HeartGold & SoulSilver}}, Arceus appears as one of the main antagonists, where it plans on destroying humanity due to its mistrust of humans. It was the target of [[Team Rocket]]'s plans to create {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Arceus (TCG)}}
Arceus appears in the TCG in all {{TCG|type}}s but {{TCG|Dragon}} and {{TCG|Fairy}}, and a player can have as many Arceus cards in their deck as they like, unlike all other cards in the game (besides {{TCG|Basic Energy card}}s). Cards based on Arceus first appeared in the {{TCG|Platinum: Arceus|Arceus}} expansion set.
==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
Arceus appears as a Poké Ball summon in game. It will use {{m|Gravity}} to produce a shockwave that brings opponents downwards.
====Trophy information====
''[[Sinnoh myths#The Original Story|A Pokémon said to have hatched from an egg that appeared from nothing. Newly hatched, it created the world and the sky.]] Its Gravity attack will bring any fighter in midair crashing down to earth. No ground below you? Looks like you're going to go plummeting off the stage as if you'd been hit by a Meteor Smash! ''

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|entry=According to the legends of [[Sinnoh]], this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|t=FFF|v2=White|entry=It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|t=FFF|v2=White 2|entry=It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing then shaped the world.}}
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{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
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{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[Hall of Origin]] ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation IV#Arceus|Only one]]) (requires [[Azure Flute]]){{tt|*|Never released}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Platinum|area=[[Hall of Origin]] ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation IV#Arceus 2|Only one]]) (requires [[Azure Flute]]){{tt|*|Never released}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black|v2=White|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y|area={{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area={{pkmn2|Event}}}}
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====In side games====
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{{Availability/Header|type=Normal}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Ranger: SoA|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|color={{SoA color}}|area=[[Sky Fortress]] ([[Ranger Net]] mission)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Ranger: GS|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|color={{GS color}}|area=[[Light Temple]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Tower: All ([[Pokémon Rumble Blast#Legendary Boss Pokémon|Random Legendary Encounters]]){{tt|*|Complete Team Battle EX-6 }}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Conquest|color={{silver color}}|area=[[Aurora]] (special) [[Dragnor]] (special)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Challenge Battle#The Final Battle Royale|Challenge Battle: The Final Battle Royale]] (Reward)}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Distortion Island#Stage 5|Distortion Island: Stage 5]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Special Stages#Ultra Challenge|Event: ''Arceus Arrives!'']]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Legend Terrain#Bastion of Beginnings|Legend Terrain: Bastion of Beginnings]] (Special Boss; type changes daily)}}
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A statue of Arceus can be found in {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky}} at [[Destiny Tower]].

====In events====
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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Movie Arceus|Japanese|Japan|100|July 11 to September 30, 2009|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Movie Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Toys "R" Us Arceus|English|United States|100|November 7 to 15, 2009|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Toys "R" Us Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Michina Arceus|English|Australia|100|November 5 to 16, 2009|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Australian Michina Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Cinema Arceus|Korean|South Korea|100|December 24, 2009 to January 31, 2010|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Cinema Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Michina Arceus|German|Germany|100|February 17 to April 9, 2010|link=List of local German event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Michina Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Michina Arceus|Italian|Italy|100|February 17 to March 26, 2010|link=List of local Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Michina Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Michina Arceus|English|Europe|100|February 20 to April 10, 2010|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#European Michina Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Michina Arceus|French|Europe|100|February 22 to April 11, 2010|link=List of local French event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Michina Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}|Michina Arceus|Spanish|Spain|100|February 22 to April 11, 2010|link=List of local Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Michina Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Dahara City Arceus|Japanese region|Online|100|March 7 to August 31, 2015 November 20 to December 17, 2015|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Dahara City Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Dahara City Arceus|Taiwanese region|Online|100|November 20 to December 17, 2015|link=List of Taiwanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Dahara City Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Dahara City Arceus|Korean region|Online|100|December 15, 2015 to February 29, 2016|link=List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Dahara City Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Manesh Arceus|Japanese region|Online|100|December 21, 2015 to January 30, 2016|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Manesh Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Manesh Arceus|American region|Online|100|December 21, 2015 to January 30, 2016|link=List of American region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Manesh Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|XY}}{{gameabbrev3|ORAS}}|Pokémon 20th Anniversary Arceus|American region|Online|100|August 1 to November 30, 2016|link=List of American region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Arceus}}
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====Pokémon Global Link promotions====
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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|Global Link Arceus|Japanese|PGL|100|November 5, 2010 to January 31, 2011|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|Global Link Arceus|English|PGL|100|February 1 to May 1, 2012|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|Global Link Arceus|French|PGL|100|February 1 to May 1, 2012|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|Global Link Arceus|German|PGL|100|February 1 to May 1, 2012|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|Global Link Arceus|Italian|PGL|100|February 1 to May 1, 2012|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|Global Link Arceus|Spanish|PGL|100|February 1 to May 1, 2012|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus}}
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===Held items===
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|event1=Rowap Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100
|event2=Silk Scarf|event2type=Type-enhancing item|event2rar=???
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===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Normal|
HP= 120 |
Attack= 120 |
Defense=120 |
SpAtk= 120 |
SpDef= 120 |
Speed= 120 }}

===Pokéathlon stats===
{| class="expandable"
|-
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====No [[Plate]] equipped====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Normal
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
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|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}
|- class="expandable"
|

====With a [[Plate]] equipped====
|-
|
'''With Fist Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Fighting
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Sky Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Flying
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Toxic Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Poison
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Earth Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Ground
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Stone Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Insect Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Bug
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Spooky Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Ghost
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Iron Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Steel
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Flame Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Fire
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Splash Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Meadow Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Zap Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Electric
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Mind Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Icicle Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Ice
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Draco Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Dragon
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

'''With Dread Plate'''
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Dark
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}
|}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Normal|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
normal=yes|
newghost=1}}

For the type effectiveness when Arceus is holding a [[Plate]], see [[type chart]]. In Generation IV, if Arceus was [[Cheating|hacked]] to be {{type|???}}, this Pokémon is damaged normally by moves of all types.

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist/levelh/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|xy=n}}
{{Learnlist/level6|1|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|||Tough|3|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|1|Cosmic Power|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|1|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|||Clever|1|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|1|Punishment|Dark|Physical|—|100|5||''|Cool|2|1}}
{{Learnlist/level6|10|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||Clever|2|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|20|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|30|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''|Cool|2|2}}
{{Learnlist/level6|40|Extreme Speed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5||'''|Cool|3|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|50|Refresh|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|60|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|120|100|10||''|Clever|2|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|70|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|80|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''|Cool|4|4}}
{{Learnlist/level6|90|Perish Song|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{Learnlist/level6|100|Judgment|Normal|Special|100|100|10||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{Learnlist/levelf/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|form=yes}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM03|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||''|Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|||Beautiful|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10||''|Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||''|Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||'''|Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''|Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||''|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||''|Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15||''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10||''|Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5||''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15||''|Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||''|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''|Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5||''|Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10||''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15||''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM60|Quash|Dark|Status|—|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|85|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||''|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5||'''|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||'''|Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||''|Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||''|Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15||''|Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20||''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||''|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||''|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}|''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|'''|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15||''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM97|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15||''|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM07|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{Learnlist/tmf/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|form=yes}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{Learnlist/breedh/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|xy=n}}
{{Learnlist/breed6null}}
{{Learnlist/breedf/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|form=yes}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10||''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5|{{tt|*|With Draco Plate}}|''|yes|yes|Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||''|no|yes|Clever|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|95|90|10||''|no|yes|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes|Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15||''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15||''|no|yes|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15||''|no|yes|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5||'''|no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||''|no|yes|Cool|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20||''|no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15||''|no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15||'''|no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes|Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||''|no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||''|no|yes|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|form=yes}}

====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/event6|[[Dahara City Arceus]]|Blast Burn|Fire|Special|150|90|5||''||Beautiful|4|4}}
{{learnlist/event6|[[Dahara City Arceus]]|Hydro Cannon|Water|Special|150|90|5||''||Beautiful|4|4}}
{{learnlist/eventf/6|Arceus|Normal|Normal|4|form=yes}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Normal |
ndex=493 |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Normal |
assist3=Normal |
field3=None |
field3power=- |
browser3=It protects itself with psychic orbs that bring meteors down.|
rumble2=yes |
rumble2attack=5 |
rumble2defense=5 |
rumble2speed=4 |
Conquest=yes |
ConquestAtk=4 |
ConquestSpd=5 |
ConquestDef=5 |
ConquestHP=5 |
ConquestRange=4 |
ConquestMove={{m|Judgment}} |
ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Omnipotent}} |
ConquestAbility2= |
ConquestAbility3= |
ConquestEvo=Does not evolve into or from anything |
ConquestLink='''[[Hero]]'''/'''[[Heroine]]'''
}}

===Evolution===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{unknown color}}; {{roundy|10px}} border: 3px solid #{{unknown color dark}};"
|-
|
{| style="background: #{{normal color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{normal color dark}}; background: #{{normal color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| No {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Normal}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{grass color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{grass color dark}}; background: #{{grass color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Grass Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Meadow Plate Sprite.png]] Meadow {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Grass}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{fire color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Fire Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Flame Plate Sprite.png]] Flame {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Fire}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{water color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{water color dark}}; background: #{{water color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Water Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Splash Plate Sprite.png]] Splash {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{water color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Water}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{flying color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{flying color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Flying Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Sky Plate Sprite.png]] Sky {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{flying color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Flying}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{bug color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{bug color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Bug Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Insect Plate Sprite.png]] Insect {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{bug color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Bug}}
|}
|-
|
{| style="background: #{{poison color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background: #{{poison color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Poison Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Toxic Plate Sprite.png]] Toxic {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Poison}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{electric color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{electric color dark}}; background: #{{electric color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Electric Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Zap Plate Sprite.png]] Zap {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{electric color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Electric}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{psychic color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{psychic color dark}}; background: #{{psychic color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Psychic Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Mind Plate Sprite.png]] Mind {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Psychic}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{rock color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{rock color dark}}; background: #{{rock color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Rock Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Stone Plate Sprite.png]] Stone {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Rock}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{ground color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Ground Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Earth Plate Sprite.png]] Earth {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{ground color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{dark color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{dark color dark}}; background: #{{dark color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Dark Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Dread Plate Sprite.png]] Dread {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{dark color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Dark}}
|}
|-
|
{| style="background: #{{ghost color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{ghost color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Ghost Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Spooky Plate Sprite.png]] Spooky {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{ghost color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Ghost}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{steel color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{steel color dark}}; background: #{{steel color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Steel Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Iron Plate Sprite.png]] Iron {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{steel color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Steel}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{fighting color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{fighting color dark}}; background: #{{fighting color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Fighting Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Fist Plate Sprite.png]] Fist {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{fighting color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Fighting}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{ice color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{ice color dark}}; background: #{{ice color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Ice Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
| [[File:Bag Icicle Plate Sprite.png]] Icicle {{color2|000|Plate}}
|-
| style="background: #{{ice color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}" | '''{{color|000|Arceus}}''' {{typecolor|Ice}}
|}
|
{| style="background: #{{dragon color}}; {{roundy|10px}};"
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{dragon color dark}}; background: #{{dragon color light}}; width:96px"| [[File:493Arceus Dragon Dream.png|x96px]]
|-
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===Sprites===
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==Trivia==

* Arceus's English name has had three different pronunciations. The announcer of {{g|Battle Revolution}} pronounced it "AR-see-uss". A promotional trailer for ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'' used the pronunciation "ar-SAY-us", a pronunciation supported by the katakana used to spell its name. In the final release of ''Arceus and the Jewel of Life'', it was pronounced "AR-key-us", which was affirmed as the official pronunciation by a [[Pokémon.com]] mailbag and by the [[Pokémon Essential Handbook]].
** According to [[Tom Wayland]], the "AR-key-us" pronunciation was used due to concerns over the {{wp|arse|implications}} behind the first syllable of "AR-see-uss" in the UK and other British English-speaking territories.
[[File:493-Unknown.png|thumb|???-type Arceus]]
* Arceus has the highest base stat total of all {{type|Normal}} Pokémon, as well as all Pokémon without [[Mega Evolution]] or [[Primal Reversion]].
** Arceus has the highest base {{stat|Defense}} stat of all Normal-type Pokémon, barring Mega Evolution.
* Arceus is the only Pokémon at the end of a [[generation]] in National Pokédex order that does not have a base stat total of 600.
* In the Generation IV games, there are sprites for ???-type Arceus, but this is not obtainable as there is no ??? [[Plate]].
* Arceus's [[signature move]], {{m|Judgment}}, is the only move that Arceus is guaranteed {{STAB}} for, as it is always the same type as Arceus itself.
** It is also the only move that Fairy-type Arceus will receive STAB for.
* Arceus is the only event-exclusive [[trio master]].
* Arceus is also the only trio master of two different trios, being the master of both the [[lake guardians]] and the [[creation trio]].
* In its debut generation of Generation IV, it was impossible to legitimately give Arceus more than 100 [[EV]]s in any stat, since it was only ever distributed at [[level]] 100. Prior to Generation V, level 100 Pokémon could not gain EVs through battling since they could not gain [[experience]].
* Arceus is the only pre-[[Generation V]] Pokémon to never officially receive a [[List of Pokémon by Diamond & Pearl Battle Pokédex number|DPBP number]]. {{p|Kadabra}}, which was not released as a TCG card during the DPBP era, is assumed to be #070, as {{p|Abra}} and {{p|Alakazam}} are #069 and #071, respectively.
* Arceus received the most votes of all pre-[[Generation V]] Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Global Link]] [[List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Arceus|promotion]] poll in both the Japanese poll and the international (non-Japanese and non-Korean) poll.
* Until {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, Arceus's Plate variations were not recognized as [[List of Pokémon with form differences|form differences]] by the Pokédex. The same was true for {{p|Genesect}} and {{p|Furfrou}}.
* Arceus has the most forms of any [[Legendary Pokémon|Mythical Pokémon]].

===Origin===
Arceus is particularly based on a {{wp|creator deity}}, present in many world cultures. Arceus's stance and general form are similar to Egyptian bull and calf idols, particularly {{wp|Apis (god)|Apis}}. Based on its official artwork and attack movements in the 3D games, Arceus may be modeled after a {{wp|horse}}. The arc on its back may be inspired by the circle arc used to represent reincarnation in {{wp|Hinduism}}.

The conception of the first deity might be influenced by the {{wp|Shinto}} gods {{wp|Kunitokotachi}} and {{wp|Amenominakanushi}}, who summoned {{wp|Izanami-no-Mikoto|Izanami}} and {{wp|Izanagi}} to create Japan with the spear. It may also be a reference to the {{wp|qilin}}, a Chinese mythical creature. Its myth is nearly identical to that of the {{wp|Pangu}}, the Chinese creation god. Arceus may also represent or be inspired by the {{wp|bodhisattva}} {{wp|Avalokiteśvara}}, who, in {{wp|Buddhism}}, is either pictured with eleven heads and one thousand arms (the latter of which is mentioned in Arceus's Pokédex entry) or in a {{wp|Avalokiteśvara#Tibetan Account|white, four-armed manifestation}} (which could look similar to Normal-type Arceus).

====Name origin====
Arceus may be a combination of ''{{wp|arch}}'' (referring to the highest point), ''{{wp|archon}}'' (a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord"), ''arcanus'' (Latin for ''secret/sacred mystery''), ''archaic'' (ancient), αρχή ''arkhē'' (Greek for ''beginning''), or ''archetypus'' (Latin for ''original''), and ''{{wp|deus}}'' (Latin for ''god''). It may also derive from ''[[wiktionary:aureus|aureus]]'' (golden, in reference to its hooves and wheel), ''[[wiktionary:arc|arc]]'' (round or ring), ''arcessere'' (Latin for ''to summon''), or ''{{wp|Archeus}}'' (an aspect of the astral plane).

==In other languages==
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|de=Arceus|demeaning=Same as Japanese name
|fr=Arceus|frmeaning=Same as Japanese name
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|it=Arceus|itmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|ko=아르세우스 ''Arceus''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=阿爾宙斯 ''Ā Ěr Zhòu Sī''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name. Also a portmanteau of {{tt|阿爾法 ''Ā'ěrfǎ''|Alpha}} and {{tt|宙斯 ''Zhòusī''|Zeus}}.
|el=Αρκέους ''Arkéoys''|elmeaning=Transcription of English nsme
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==Related articles==
* [[Arceus (M12)]]
* [[Lake guardians]]
* [[Creation trio]]

==External links==
* {{wp|Arceus|Article on Wikipedia}}
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-grass Grass-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-fire Fire-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-water Water-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-flying Flying-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-bug Bug-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-poison Poison-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-electric Electric-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-psychic Psychic-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-rock Rock-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-ground Ground-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-dark Dark-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-ghost Ghost-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-steel Steel-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-fighting Fighting-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-ice Ice-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex
* [http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/arceus-dragon Dragon-type Arceus] on Smogon Pokédex

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Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-11T05:29:05Z

Jdogno4: I assume you are no longer interested in backing up your arguments.

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|18}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|26}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Geomancy|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Oblivion Wing|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Land's Wrath|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|35}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Moonblast|{{Fairy color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|44}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|55}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|59}}
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| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Camouflage|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|63}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|72}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|80}}
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Close Combat|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sky Attack|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?
::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::While that is an explanation, it is also wrong. "God" is not always masculine. As I said above: that is, very simply: WRONG.
:::::::::In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be. "Deities" is not better, techically or otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::"While that is an explanation, it is also wrong.": How so?
::::::::::"'God' is not always masculine.": Explain.
::::::::::"In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be.": I get that but I also think that it is not the most precise or accurate use of the term.
::::::::::"'Deities' is not better, technically or otherwise.": How so?
::::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like "How so?" and "Explain.". I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.
:::::::::::Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions. You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic. If "gods" is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like 'How so?' and 'Explain.'. I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.": I am asking you to explain your arguments if you are capable of doing so.

"Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions.": I get that it was meant to be used in a gender-neutral context but I do not believe it was correctly used. What do you mean by contradictory notions? "You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic.": How is that not good logic? "If 'gods' is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable.": It does for the fact that despite being used in a gender neutral fashion it is technically male gendered. Given the fact that it is used to mean both male deities (technically correct) and all deities at the same time (technically incorrect) it is not perfectly understandable.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:Let me just check one thing, Jdogno4.
:Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)?": No I do not.
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 22:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You are wrong.
:::There should be plenty of examples all around in the (English-speaking) world to show this. For starters, I might recommend checking various dictionaries (yes, more than one). You're welcome to look about for some of that and consider it by yourself. I leave you to that. It's not at all worth my time to try to change your mind on something so fundamental. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"You are wrong.": How so?

"There should be plenty of examples all around in the (English-speaking) world to show this.": For instance?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Since you have made at least 20 edits since 23:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC), but none here I am assuming you have lost interest in backing up your argument.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 05:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T23:29:40Z

Jdogno4: How so? For instance?

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Pulse|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|72}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Nature Power|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
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| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Dragon Dance|{{Dragon color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|80}}
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Close Combat|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sucker Punch|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Poison color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Coil|{{Poison color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|88}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Giga Impact|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hyper Beam|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Extreme Speed|{{Normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sky Attack|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?
::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::While that is an explanation, it is also wrong. "God" is not always masculine. As I said above: that is, very simply: WRONG.
:::::::::In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be. "Deities" is not better, techically or otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::"While that is an explanation, it is also wrong.": How so?
::::::::::"'God' is not always masculine.": Explain.
::::::::::"In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be.": I get that but I also think that it is not the most precise or accurate use of the term.
::::::::::"'Deities' is not better, technically or otherwise.": How so?
::::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like "How so?" and "Explain.". I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.
:::::::::::Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions. You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic. If "gods" is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like 'How so?' and 'Explain.'. I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.": I am asking you to explain your arguments if you are capable of doing so.

"Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions.": I get that it was meant to be used in a gender-neutral context but I do not believe it was correctly used. What do you mean by contradictory notions? "You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic.": How is that not good logic? "If 'gods' is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable.": It does for the fact that despite being used in a gender neutral fashion it is technically male gendered. Given the fact that it is used to mean both male deities (technically correct) and all deities at the same time (technically incorrect) it is not perfectly understandable.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:Let me just check one thing, Jdogno4.
:Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)?": No I do not.
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 22:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You are wrong.
:::There should be plenty of examples all around in the (English-speaking) world to show this. For starters, I might recommend checking various dictionaries (yes, more than one). You're welcome to look about for some of that and consider it by yourself. I leave you to that. It's not at all worth my time to try to change your mind on something so fundamental. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"You are wrong.": How so?

"There should be plenty of examples all around in the (English-speaking) world to show this.": For instance?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T22:44:29Z

Jdogno4: No I do not.

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|35}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
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|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?
::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::While that is an explanation, it is also wrong. "God" is not always masculine. As I said above: that is, very simply: WRONG.
:::::::::In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be. "Deities" is not better, techically or otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::"While that is an explanation, it is also wrong.": How so?
::::::::::"'God' is not always masculine.": Explain.
::::::::::"In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be.": I get that but I also think that it is not the most precise or accurate use of the term.
::::::::::"'Deities' is not better, technically or otherwise.": How so?
::::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like "How so?" and "Explain.". I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.
:::::::::::Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions. You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic. If "gods" is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like 'How so?' and 'Explain.'. I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.": I am asking you to explain your arguments if you are capable of doing so.

"Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions.": I get that it was meant to be used in a gender-neutral context but I do not believe it was correctly used. What do you mean by contradictory notions? "You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic.": How is that not good logic? "If 'gods' is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable.": It does for the fact that despite being used in a gender neutral fashion it is technically male gendered. Given the fact that it is used to mean both male deities (technically correct) and all deities at the same time (technically incorrect) it is not perfectly understandable.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:Let me just check one thing, Jdogno4.
:Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)?": No I do not.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 22:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T21:46:38Z

Jdogno4:

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; margin:auto; background: #cb0b4f; border: 3px solid #cf517e"
|-
! style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{kalos color light}}|Level|Lv.}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | [[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{Fairy color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Fairy}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{Dragon color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|-
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| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Heal Pulse|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
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|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?
::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::While that is an explanation, it is also wrong. "God" is not always masculine. As I said above: that is, very simply: WRONG.
:::::::::In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be. "Deities" is not better, techically or otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::"While that is an explanation, it is also wrong.": How so?
::::::::::"'God' is not always masculine.": Explain.
::::::::::"In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be.": I get that but I also think that it is not the most precise or accurate use of the term.
::::::::::"'Deities' is not better, technically or otherwise.": How so?
::::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like "How so?" and "Explain.". I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.
:::::::::::Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions. You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic. If "gods" is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like 'How so?' and 'Explain.'. I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.": I am asking you to explain your arguments if you are capable of doing so.

"Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions.": I get that it was meant to be used in a gender-neutral context but I do not believe it was correctly used. What do you mean by contradictory notions? "You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic.": How is that not good logic? "If 'gods' is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable.": It does for the fact that despite being used in a gender neutral fashion it is technically male gendered. Given the fact that it is used to mean both male deities (technically correct) and all deities at the same time (technically incorrect) it is not perfectly understandable.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T10:05:00Z

Jdogno4: Explain how so.

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?
::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::While that is an explanation, it is also wrong. "God" is not always masculine. As I said above: that is, very simply: WRONG.
:::::::::In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be. "Deities" is not better, techically or otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"While that is an explanation, it is also wrong.": How so?

"'God' is not always masculine.": Explain.

"In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be.": I get that but I also think that it is not the most precise or accurate use of the term.

"'Deities' is not better, technically or otherwise.": How so?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T09:09:24Z

Jdogno4: /* Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically */

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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|-
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| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | [[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{Fairy color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Fairy}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{Dragon color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|-
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| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Hurricane|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Glare|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Aromatherapy|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Razor Wind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Bulldoze|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Ingrain|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Taunt|{{Dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Breath|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Take Down|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Roost|{{Flying color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Bite|{{Dark color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|5}}
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Light Screen|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Double Team|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Safeguard|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|10}}
| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | {{mcolor|Aurora Beam|{{Ice color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Air Slash|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dig|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|18}}
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Gravity|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Snarl|{{Dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Bind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|26}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Geomancy|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Oblivion Wing|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Land's Wrath|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|35}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Moonblast|{{Fairy color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Disable|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Rock color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Sandstorm|{{Rock color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|44}}
| style="background:#{{bug color light}}" | {{mcolor|Megahorn|{{bug color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dark Pulse|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Haze|{{Ice color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|51}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Night Slash|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Foul Play|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Crunch|{{dark color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|55}}
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | {{mcolor|Horn Leech|{{Grass color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" | {{mcolor|Phantom Force|{{ghost color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Earthquake|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|59}}
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Psych Up|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Psychic|{{Psychic color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Camouflage|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|63}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Misty Terrain|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Dragon Rush|{{Dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Pulse|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|72}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Nature Power|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Focus Blast|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Dragon Dance|{{Dragon color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|80}}
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Close Combat|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sucker Punch|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Poison color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Coil|{{Poison color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|88}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Giga Impact|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hyper Beam|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Extreme Speed|{{Normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sky Attack|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T08:53:01Z

Jdogno4: I have explained why I do things this way. I hope that makes things okay?

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T08:52:15Z

Jdogno4: As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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|-
! style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{kalos color light}}|Level|Lv.}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | [[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{Fairy color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Fairy}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{Dragon color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|-
| rowspan="4" style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|Start}}
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Heal Pulse|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Hurricane|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Glare|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Aromatherapy|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Razor Wind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Bulldoze|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Ingrain|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Taunt|{{Dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Breath|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Take Down|{{Normal color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|35}}
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| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-02-09T08:44:47Z

Jdogno4: I have explained why I am doing this. I hope that makes things okay?

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-02-09T08:43:38Z

Jdogno4: /* Streamlining signature. */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T07:17:29Z

Jdogno4: Streamlining signature.

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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|-
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| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Glare|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Aromatherapy|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Razor Wind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
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|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Ingrain|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Taunt|{{Dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Breath|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Take Down|{{Normal color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|5}}
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Light Screen|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
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| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Safeguard|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|10}}
| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | {{mcolor|Aurora Beam|{{Ice color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Air Slash|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dig|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|18}}
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Gravity|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Snarl|{{Dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Bind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|26}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Geomancy|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Oblivion Wing|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Land's Wrath|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|35}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Moonblast|{{Fairy color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Disable|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Rock color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Sandstorm|{{Rock color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|44}}
| style="background:#{{bug color light}}" | {{mcolor|Megahorn|{{bug color dark}}}}
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| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Haze|{{Ice color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|51}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Night Slash|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Foul Play|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Crunch|{{dark color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|55}}
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | {{mcolor|Horn Leech|{{Grass color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" | {{mcolor|Phantom Force|{{ghost color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Earthquake|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|59}}
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Psych Up|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Psychic|{{Psychic color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Camouflage|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|63}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Misty Terrain|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Dragon Rush|{{Dragon color dark}}}}
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|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|72}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Nature Power|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Focus Blast|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Dragon Dance|{{Dragon color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|80}}
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Close Combat|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sucker Punch|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
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|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|88}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Giga Impact|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hyper Beam|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Extreme Speed|{{Normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sky Attack|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T07:17:07Z

Jdogno4: Where are you quoting this phrase from?

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Misty Terrain|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Dragon Rush|{{Dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Pulse|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|72}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Nature Power|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Focus Blast|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Dragon Dance|{{Dragon color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|80}}
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Close Combat|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sucker Punch|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Poison color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Coil|{{Poison color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|88}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Giga Impact|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hyper Beam|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Extreme Speed|{{Normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sky Attack|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Jdogno4

2016-02-09T07:14:32Z

Jdogno4:

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 04:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

== Please... ==

Your addition to [[Harley]] was large and informative (as far as I can tell; I don't keep up with anything pertaining to the anime), but you need to work on the quality of your writing. Please read over the {{bp|manual of style}} and look at the edits I made to your edit to get a better idea of what you should be doing differently. Specifically, it's Pokémon, not pokemon; capital P and e-acute. Thank you for you contribution! --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 04:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:And don't put it in a word document or put episode titles in quotes (ie, not "Pokémon - I Choose You!", but instead linked as ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]''). By putting it into a word document, you made those ''really annoying'' slanty quotation marks and apostrophes, rather than normal ones. Hell, it looks like it's some essay you typed up then decided to crosspost here. I do admire that, but next time, '''''please try to break it into sections on the page'''''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget to put italics around episode titles when you link to them. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 01:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

== Link templates ==

Please use the {{bp|link templates}} when linking to articles about Pokémon, moves, abilities, types and many other Pokémon-related meta. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 06:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Editing ==

Before you start editing again, could you please take the time to read the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style]]? You need to link to episodes and not just put the title.

*An Old Family Blend! = No
*<nowiki>''[[DP182|An Old Family Blend!]]''</nowiki> = Yes

Thanks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:31, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== The Preview Button ==
Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Changes button... Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 08:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
: Once again, use the preview key when making multiple edits. It's great that you're helping expand pages with more detailed background, but try to consolidate your edits. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 01:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

== Linking ==

Hey, when linking to a specially named page, please use the respective {{bp|List of link templates|link template}} instead of regular [[ ]] brackets. For example, <nowiki>{{p| }}</nowiki> will link to "_____ (Pokémon)" which is used for species articles. Thanks. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 07:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

It's best not to edit war. Especially when more than one admin is undoing your edits. Please remember this for the future and discuss things on the talk page first. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== The Preview Button ==
Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Changes button... Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:28, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:Again, please start using the preview button. Thanks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:47, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
::This is your last warning. Please use the preview button or at least avoid editing a page so many times in a row. It stresses our server. If you don't you will be put in the force preview user group where it will require you to preview your edits before you save. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

==Edits==
The edits that you have made were pointless. Unless it effects how it looks on your screen, do specify that, it avoids confusion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:28, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== Edit warring... again ==

If you have a problem, next time consult the talk page instead of repeatedly reverting people. As for Harley, he hardly qualifies as a villain when compared to the actions of real villains.

Because of your edit warring, you have been blocked for two days. When you come back, lease remember that when an admin reverts your edit, it is probably for a good reason. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:38, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Blocked ==

For continued edit warring over categorization of Harley's Cacturne, you have been blocked for the duration of one week. If you feel Harley is a villain, you are free to bring it up and discuss it on the article's talk page. Continuing to force your beliefs upon the categorization of our articles, however, will not be permitted. If you continue with these actions after your block expires, you will be given increasingly longer blocks. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 12:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Blocked again ==

Once more, you've decided to result to edit warring instead of consulting talkpages. As a result I've blocked you for two weeks. When you come back please don't do it again or it will be much longer.

As for Trip, you should leave your personal opinion of him out of the article. I doubt he's a xenophobe or a biggot. He only thinks he's of higher class when compared to Ash and most likely uses Kanto to get on his nerves. Calling him a xenophobe is extreme. –[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Fourth block ==

For continued edit warring on [[Trip]]'s page, you have now been blocked for the duration of '''one month'''. You have been told ''twice'' by the {{bp|Editorial Board}}'s Head of Anime, {{u|Kenji-girl}} that terms such as "xenophobic" and "bigot" should not be used, and you have ignored both of those messages. This is your ''fourth'' block for edit warring, further disregard for Bulbapedia {{bp|policy}}, editing practices, and staff authority will not be tolerated and will result in additional and extremely extended blocks. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 14:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== The Preview Button (3) ==

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Changes button... Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! [[User:Poke.geek|'''P''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''okége''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|'''ek''']] 11:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

== Ghetsis ==

I would like to apologize for not consulting all the evidence. Admittedly, I had been assuming you were referring to the BW quote, when you were referring to the B2W2 quote. I went and checked this, and found that in the English version of B2W2 they do indeed say "royal servants of Ghetsis". However, this seemed odd to me as it was inconsistent with BW (which used a very similar phrase but instead with "loyal") and Ghetsis had not been referred to as royalty elsewhere. Anyway, I checked the Japanese text and it says 「われらダークトリニティは今までも今もゲーチスさまの忠実な部下！」 which translates to "''We, the {{tt|Dark Trinity|Shadow Triad}}, are the loyal subordinates of Ghetsis-sama now and forever!''" Which means that while I was wrong that "royal" isn't in their in-game text, Ghetsis should not be treated as royal as this is only a typo caused by the translators. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== Iris's Axew ==

Please note that both "Iris's" and "Iris'" are grammatically correct when used in a possessive manner. On Bulbapedia, we use the former so all articles can stay relatively standard. Examples are pages such as "James's Yamask" and' Iris's Dragonite" Please stop changing them to just have the one apostrophe. Thank you. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 05:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
:[http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/possessives.htm Grammar education site explains possessive punctuation.] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

== Edit previewing ==

Jdogno4, you have been told ''multiple times'' that you need to your edits before saving them, and yet you are still taking multiple edits when you're leaving comments on talk pages and modifying articles. Since it seems that telling you to use the preview button is not enough, you have now been added to the "forcepreview" usergroup. This will make previewing edits a mandatory process for you. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

== Re:What's the problem? ==

Apologies for the late response.

Firstly, you were replacing every semicolon with a colon. Semicolons separate two complete independent clauses, as all the ones in the articles were. Colons offset lists and certain short phrases (not clauses).

Secondly, you were removing all the Oxford commas, which, while not used by everyone, are used by Bulbapedia.

Thirdly, you seemed to be replacing every instance of the word and with "as well as", which is just unnecessary and a weird way to phrase things.

Fourthly, you were separating sentences in odd places, making some short, choppy sentences.

Finally, you were flooding the recent changes with several minor edits to the same article, which you've been warned about several times already. Try to use the preview button and looking over the whole article first in the future. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 00:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

Not only did you just recently [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Burst&diff=2131758&oldid=2131752 re add an edit] that was reverted, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Burst&action=history you have a history] of adding and re adding the piece of trivia. As for the reason why it was reverted: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Burst&diff=1596129&oldid=1596127 here]. Read the edit summary, eat the edit summary, digest the edit summary and let. it. go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:01, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== Unnecessary changes ==

It seems that you have clearly not changed, you continue to make completely useless changes. Please cease these pointless edits, there are no grammar errors where you think there are grammar errors, the mirror world category is not needed as it is a one time thing that will not show up again, god and deity are basically the same thing. Since this isn't the first time you've been warned about this, this will be your only warning, cease making pointless edits or face a lengthy block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:47, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:Please do not just add back the edits, if you have a problem, '''discuss it'''. A god '''is''' a deity. A king '''is''' a royal. Just like a goddess '''is''' a deity and a queen '''is''' a royal. Deity and Royal are gender neutral terms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::Due to your continual habit of reverting users and admins alike, and refusal to stop when an admin tells you to, you have been blocked for a week.. Theere is '''absolutely no issue with using gender neutral terms'''. Heck, Pokémon articles have to be gender neutral in the first place, so using Deity is fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Signature ==

I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Spamming talk pages ==

Please don't spam multiple talk pages with the same thing, it's pointless and clogs the recent changes. Use one talk page and stick with it. Also, you can "streamline" your signature (which to me looks like you're just removing the dashes, not sure why), you can just manually type out the four tildes (~) so the dashes don't appear in the first place (the dashes automatically appear when you click on the signature button).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Reversions ==

Time and time again, do '''NOT''' just revert an edit. '''DISCUSS''' it with the user that reverted you. You have been told plenty of times about this, but you are simply not reading your messages. The mirror world category is not needed, the changes you made were unnecessary. The context is saying that they are the mirror world counterparts of the real world Bonnie, Serena, etc.. There are no mirror world counterparts of the mirror world characters. And the comma after the second object is grammatically correct.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:You appear to have forgotten. You need to discuss things when you have been reverted, ''not'' re-do your edit. And ForceFire answered your question about the character links on [[Mirror World]] above.
:Please cease your editing where you have previously been reverted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== "Streamlining signature" ==

Hi, I've noticed that you often edit talk pages a second time after commenting to "streamline" your signature by removing the "--" at the start of it. In case you didn't know, you can control how your signature appears in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], meaning you can set it so that signing with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> doesn't include the "--" in the first place. This way, you only need to edit the page once whenever you leave a comment.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | [[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{Fairy color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Fairy}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{Dragon color dark}}}} {{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
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| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Hurricane|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Glare|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Aromatherapy|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Razor Wind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Bulldoze|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Ingrain|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Taunt|{{Dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Breath|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
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| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Take Down|{{Normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Roost|{{Flying color dark}}}}''
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| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Light Screen|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Double Team|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Safeguard|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|10}}
| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | {{mcolor|Aurora Beam|{{Ice color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Air Slash|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dig|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|18}}
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Gravity|{{Psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Snarl|{{Dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Bind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|26}}
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| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Oblivion Wing|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
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| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Dragon Rush|{{Dragon color dark}}}}
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|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-09T06:14:58Z

Jdogno4: How so?

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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|-
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| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Glare|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Aromatherapy|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Razor Wind|{{Normal color dark}}}}
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| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Ingrain|{{Grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Taunt|{{Dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dragon Breath|{{Dragon color dark}}}}'''
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| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | {{mcolor|Aurora Beam|{{Ice color dark}}}}
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| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dig|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|18}}
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| style="background:#{{Dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Snarl|{{Dark color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|26}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Geomancy|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Oblivion Wing|{{Flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Land's Wrath|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|35}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Moonblast|{{Fairy color dark}}}}'''
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| style="background:#{{Rock color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Sandstorm|{{Rock color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|44}}
| style="background:#{{bug color light}}" | {{mcolor|Megahorn|{{bug color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Dark Pulse|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Haze|{{Ice color dark}}}}''
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|51}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Night Slash|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Foul Play|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Crunch|{{dark color dark}}}}
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| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|55}}
| style="background:#{{Grass color light}}" | {{mcolor|Horn Leech|{{Grass color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" | {{mcolor|Phantom Force|{{ghost color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Ground color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Earthquake|{{Ground color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|59}}
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Psych Up|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Psychic|{{Psychic color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Camouflage|{{Normal color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|63}}
| style="background:#{{Fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Misty Terrain|{{Fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Dragon Rush|{{Dragon color dark}}}}
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|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|72}}
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| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Focus Blast|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Dragon Dance|{{Dragon color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|80}}
| style="background:#{{Fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Close Combat|{{Fighting color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sucker Punch|{{dark color dark}}}}'''
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|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|88}}
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| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hyper Beam|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Extreme Speed|{{Normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{kalos color dark}}" | {{color|cf517e|93}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | {{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Sky Attack|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Outrage|{{dragon color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Mirror Serena

2016-02-09T00:18:58Z

Jdogno4: It is reffering to the Mirror World/Dimension/Timeline/Universe counterpart of Bonnie which is Mirror Bonnie. So linking there.

[[File:Mirror Serena.png|250px|thumb|Mirror Serena]]
'''Mirror Serena''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国セレナ''' ''Mirror World Serena'') is a [[doppelgänger]] of {{an|Serena}}, and a [[character of the day]] who appeared in ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]''. She is {{an|Serena}}'s counterpart from the [[Mirror World]]. Her personality is opposite to that of the regular Serena, as she is arrogant and takes battling very seriously. In the original version, she speaks in a {{wp|Kansai dialect}}.

Before the regular Ash stumbled upon the Mirror World, Mirror Serena had a battle with [[Mirror Ash]], which she won. After this, Mirror Serena bragged about it and called Mirror Ash a crybaby. This caused Mirror Ash to run off and decide to travel by himself. The Mirror World counterparts of Serena, {{an|Clemont}}, and [[Mirror Bonnie|Bonnie]] then lost sight of him. They later found him again just outside [[Reflection Cave]], but were not aware that this was the {{Ash}} from the regular world instead.

As both the regular Ash and the Mirror World counterparts of his friends started to notice the different personalities, [[Mirror Clemont]] deduced this was not the Ash they knew. Mirror Serena refused to believe this, and challenged Ash to a battle, stating she would believe it if he managed to win, which Ash accepted. Mirror Serena used her {{p|Fennekin}} against [[Ash's Froakie]], but Fennekin was easily defeated. Stating she would never lose to Mirror Ash, Mirror Serena now believed this Ash was indeed an Ash from another world.

After the battle, Mirror Ash showed up, having watched the battle from behind a tree. He explained how he had lost his own {{p|Pikachu}}, and the group then decided to go look for him. They ultimately found out he was encaged by {{TRT}} of the regular world. Team Rocket also managed to encage the regular world [[Ash's Pikachu]]. While both Ashes battled Team Rocket, Mirror Clemont snagged the cages and threw them towards Mirror Serena, who freed them with her Fennekin.

After they blasted Team Rocket off, Mirror Serena helped in getting the regular Ash back to his own world, as he needed to get back before sunset to prevent getting trapped in the Mirror World forever. They found the mirror through which the regular Ash had come, and managed to get the portal to appear. As the portals of the regular world and the Mirror World started to drift further apart, Mirror Serena encouraged her regular counterpart, who was at the other portal, to wish strongly for Ash to return. The regular Ash ultimately managed to get back, and Mirror Serena said her farewells as the portals closed.

==Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Mirror Serena
|pkmn=Fennekin
|gender=female
|type1=Fire
|img=Mirror Serena Fennekin.png
|epnum=XY037
|epname=The Cave of Mirrors!
|vajp=Megumi Hayashibara
|vaen=Eileen Stevens
|desc={{p|Fennekin}} is Mirror Serena's only known Pokémon. Unlike her regular world counterpart, Mirror Fennekin has a very fierce battling spirit.

Before the regular {{Ash}} stumbled into the [[Mirror World]], Fennekin was used in a battle against [[Mirror Ash]]'s {{p|Froakie}} and managed to win. She was later used again in battle, now against the Ash of the regular world and his {{AP|Froakie}}. This time however, she was easily defeated with one {{m|Bubble}} attack. Later, Mirror Serena sent her out to break the glass cages in which {{TRT}} of the regular world had captured the {{p|Pikachu}} of both Ashes.

Fennekin's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}}, {{m|Scratch}}, and {{m|Hidden Power}}.}}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color=FF8FA2|bordercolor={{y color}}
|ja=牧口真幸 ''[[Mayuki Makiguchi]]''
|en=[[Haven Paschall]]
|nl=Tara Hetharia
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|el=Αφροδίτη Αντωνάκη ''Afrothiti Antonaki''
|it=Deborah Morese
|ko=김현지 ''Kim Hyun-Ji''
|pl=Dominika Sell
|pt_br=Michelle Giudice
|ru=Наталья Терешкова ''Natalia Tereshkova''
|es_la=Verania Ortiz
|es_eu=Isacha Mengíbar
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Mirror World

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Jdogno4: Seriously, the article is talking about the Mirror World/Dimension/Timeline/Universe thus it makes sense to link to the native incarnations of the characters if there is only one mention of them in the article that is referencing their native incarnation.

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|region=None
|epicode=XY037
|episode=The Cave of Mirrors!
|colorscheme=Unknown}}

The '''Mirror World''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国''' ''Mirror World'') is an alternate dimension with strong connections to the [[Reflection Cave]]. It is nearly identical to the regular [[Pokémon world]], with the exception that the humans and Pokémon found in the Mirror World have opposing personalities to their regular world counterparts and their physical appearances are reversed.

According to [[Mirror Clemont]], the existence of portals to other worlds in the Reflection Cave is a myth, at least in the Mirror World. This also suggests the Mirror World is merely one of many different alternate dimensions reachable through the Reflection Cave. Also according to Mirror Clemont, people not from the Mirror World will be trapped inside the Mirror World forever once the sun has set, although the regular world's {{TRT}} managed to get out somehow even though they were still in the Mirror World after sunset.

In ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]'', the regular {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} went through Reflection Cave. While there, Ash and {{AP|Pikachu}} got separated from the others. As he looked into a mirror, Ash's reflection suddenly moved and took Pikachu from his shoulder through the mirror. Ash went through the mirror after Pikachu. Once in the Mirror World, the regular Ash went outside Reflection Cave, and met up with the Mirror World counterparts of [[Mirror Serena|Serena]], {{an|Clemont}}, and [[Mirror Bonnie|Bonnie]]. He later also met [[Mirror Ash|his own Mirror World counterpart]], and teamed up with him to battle the Team Rocket of the regular world who had stolen both their Pikachu.

After they defeated the regular Team Rocket, Mirror Clemont realized that Ash needed to get back to his own world before sunset, or else he would be trapped in the Mirror World forever. They found the mirror through which Ash had come, but the portal was not there. It was then that Mirror Ash realized the portal opened when he wished strongly for Pikachu to return after he had lost him before. By wishing strongly to return, the regular Ash managed to open the portal. His friends were waiting on the other side at the other portal, but the two worlds started to drift apart more and more. By encouraging their regular world counterparts to hope for Ash to return, the Mirror World counterparts of Ash's friends managed to shorten the gap between the two portals. Ash managed to get back eventually, and the portals closed.

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Mirror World

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Jdogno4:

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|japanese=Mirror World
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|episode=The Cave of Mirrors!
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The '''Mirror World''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国''' ''Mirror World'') is an alternate dimension with strong connections to the [[Reflection Cave]]. It is nearly identical to the regular [[Pokémon world]], with the exception that the humans and Pokémon found in the Mirror World have opposing personalities to their regular world counterparts and their physical appearances are reversed.

According to [[Mirror Clemont]], the existence of portals to other worlds in the Reflection Cave is a myth, at least in the Mirror World. This also suggests the Mirror World is merely one of many different alternate dimensions reachable through the Reflection Cave. Also according to Mirror Clemont, people not from the Mirror World will be trapped inside the Mirror World forever once the sun has set, although the regular world's {{TRT}} managed to get out somehow even though they were still in the Mirror World after sunset.

In ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]'', the regular {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} went through Reflection Cave. While there, Ash and {{AP|Pikachu}} got separated from the others. As he looked into a mirror, Ash's reflection suddenly moved and took Pikachu from his shoulder through the mirror. Ash went through the mirror after Pikachu. Once in the Mirror World, the regular Ash went outside Reflection Cave, and met up with the Mirror World counterparts of {{an|Serena}}, {{an|Clemont}}, and {{an|Bonnie}}. He later also met [[Mirror Ash|his own Mirror World counterpart]], and teamed up with him to battle the Team Rocket of the regular world who had stolen both their Pikachu.

After they defeated the regular Team Rocket, Mirror Clemont realized that Ash needed to get back to his own world before sunset, or else he would be trapped in the Mirror World forever. They found the mirror through which Ash had come, but the portal was not there. It was then that Mirror Ash realized the portal opened when he wished strongly for Pikachu to return after he had lost him before. By wishing strongly to return, the regular Ash managed to open the portal. His friends were waiting on the other side at the other portal, but the two worlds started to drift apart more and more. By encouraging their regular world counterparts to hope for Ash to return, the Mirror World counterparts of Ash's friends managed to shorten the gap between the two portals. Ash managed to get back eventually, and the portals closed.

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Mirror World

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Jdogno4: Was there anything wrong with linking to Mirror Serena and Mirror Bonnie in those instances? Meant it as a question not a rhetorical statement.

Mirror Bonnie

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Jdogno4: Well it is easier to group Clemont and Bonnie together as they are siblings.

[[File:Mirror Bonnie.png|250px|thumb|Mirror Bonnie]]
'''Mirror Bonnie''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国ユリーカ''' ''Mirror World Eureka'') is a [[doppelgänger]] of {{an|Bonnie}} and a [[character of the day]] who appeared in ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]''. She is {{an|Bonnie}}'s counterpart from the [[Mirror World]]. Her personality is opposite to that of the regular Bonnie, as she has lady-like mannerisms and is proud of [[Mirror Clemont|her brother]] and his achievements. In the English dub, she speaks with a refined, English accent.

After [[Mirror Ash]] lost a battle against [[Mirror Serena]], he ran off crying, stating he would travel alone onwards. The Mirror World counterparts of {{an|Serena}}, {{an|Clemont}} and Bonnie
went looking for him and found him just outside [[Reflection Cave]]. What they didn't know, however, was that this was the {{Ash}} from the regular world instead. As the group started to notice how Ash's personality was different from the Ash they knew, Mirror Clemont deduced this was an Ash from another world, according to a legend that the Reflection Cave harbors portals to other worlds.

Mirror Serena refused to believe this, and challenged the regular Ash to a battle. After the battle, Mirror Ash showed up, having watched the battle from behind a tree. When Mirror Ash told he lost his {{p|Pikachu}}, the group and the regular Ash decided to go look for him. Mirror Clemont then proposed to use his magic to find Pikachu. Mirror Bonnie showed her excitement at her brother's trick, and even though they wound up in a dead end, she just casually stated that everybody makes mistakes.

Later, Mirror Bonnie and the rest of the group helped in getting the regular Ash back to his own world. They found the mirror through which the regular Ash had come, and managed to get the portal to appear. As the portals of the regular world and the Mirror World started to drift further apart, Mirror Bonnie encouraged her regular counterpart, who was at the other portal, to wish strongly for Ash to return. The regular Ash ultimately managed to get back, and Mirror Bonnie said her farewells as the portals closed.

==Pokémon==
===Taking care of===
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Mirror Clemont
|pkmn=Dedenne
|type1=Electric
|type2=Fairy
|gender=male
|img=Mirror Clemont Dedenne.png
|epnum=XY037
|epname=The Cave of Mirrors!
|vajp=Megumi Satō
|vaen=Megumi Satō
|desc=Like the {{an|Bonnie}} of the regular world, Mirror Bonnie takes care of [[Mirror Clemont|her brother]]'s {{p|Dedenne}} and carries him around in her pouch. Not much is known about how much Mirror Dedenne's personality differs from the regular world's Dedenne.

None of Dedenne's moves are known.}}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color=FBE1E7|bordercolor={{fairy color light}}
|ja=伊瀬茉莉也 ''[[Mariya Ise]]''
|en=[[Alyson Leigh Rosenfeld]]
|nl=Manou Cardoso
|fi=Henni-Liisa Stam
|ko=조경이 ''Jo Gyung-i''
|pl=Natalia Jankiewicz
|pt_br=Jussara Marques
|es_eu=Blanca Hualde
|es_la=Jocelyn Robles
|it=Valentina Pallavicino
|el=Στέλλα Μπονάτσου ''Stella Bonatsou''
|th=ธันวา ภักดีอำนาจ ''Thanwa Pakdeeamnat''
|ru=Мария Иващенко ''Maria Ivashenko''}}

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Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

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==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2016-02-08T23:40:27Z

Jdogno4: Deities is more technically correct in that instance. Once again deities is more technically correct in that instance. ::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY093 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY093|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Mirror Clemont

2016-01-25T08:16:09Z

Jdogno4: Well it is easier to group Clemont and Bonnie together as they are siblings.

[[File:Mirror Clemont.png|250px|thumb|Mirror Clemont]]
'''Mirror Clemont''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国シトロン''' ''Mirror World Citron'') is a [[doppelgänger]] of {{an|Clemont}} and a [[character of the day]] who appeared in ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]''. He is {{an|Clemont}}'s counterpart from the [[Mirror World]]. His personality is opposite to that of the regular Clemont, as he is able to run very fast without getting tired and prefers magic over science.

After [[Mirror Ash]] lost a battle against [[Mirror Serena]], he ran off crying, stating he would travel alone onwards. The Mirror World counterparts of {{an|Serena}}, Clemont and {{an|Bonnie}} went looking for him and found him just outside [[Reflection Cave]]. What they didn't know, however, was that this was the {{Ash}} from the regular world instead. The regular Ash was surprised at how fast Mirror Clemont was able to run, to which he stated he had been a good runner ever since he was a kid. As the group started to notice how Ash's personality was different from the Ash they knew, Mirror Clemont deduced this was an Ash from another world, according to a legend that the Reflection Cave harbors portals to other worlds.

Mirror Serena refused to believe this, and challenged the regular Ash to a battle. Mirror Clemont [[Battle judge|refereed]] the battle. After the battle, Mirror Ash showed up, having watched the battle from behind a tree. Mirror Clemont encouraged him to share his story of what happened after they lost sight of him. When Mirror Ash told he lost his {{p|Pikachu}}, the group and the regular Ash decided to go look for him. Mirror Clemont then proposed to use his magic to find Pikachu. He drew a marking of a thunderbolt on the ground, and let a stick drop in the middle of the marking, with the direction the stick faced deciding where Pikachu was. He called this trick "Magical Direction Finder". Although the group ended up at a dead end, {{TRT}} of the regular world showed up, revealing they had encaged Pikachu. They also managed to the steal the regular [[Ash's Pikachu]]. While both Ashes were busy battling Team Rocket, Mirror Clemont snuck up to them and snagged the glass cages. He threw them to Mirror Serena who freed them with her {{p|Fennekin}}.

After they blasted Team Rocket off, the group enjoyed the sunset. It was then however that Mirror Clemont realized that, according to myth, people not from the Mirror World would have to get back to their own world before sunset, or else they would be trapped inside forever. As such he helped in getting the regular Ash back to his own world. They found the mirror through which the regular Ash had come, and managed to get the portal to appear. As the portals of the regular world and the Mirror World started to drift further apart, Mirror Clemont encouraged his regular counterpart, who was at the other portal, to wish strongly for Ash to return. The regular Ash ultimately managed to get back, and Mirror Clemont said his farewells as the portals closed.

==Pokémon==
===Caught for Mirror Bonnie===
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Mirror Clemont
|pkmn=Dedenne
|type1=Electric
|type2=Fairy
|img=Mirror Clemont Dedenne.png
|epnum=XY037
|epname=The Cave of Mirrors!
|vajp=Megumi Satō
|vaen=Megumi Satō
|desc={{p|Dedenne}} is Mirror Clemont's only known Pokémon.

Like the regular world's {{an|Clemont}}, he lets [[Mirror Bonnie|his sister]] take care of his Dedenne. Not much is known about how much Mirror Dedenne's personality differs from the regular world's Dedenne.

None of Dedenne's moves are known.}}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color=FFEEAC|bordercolor={{electric color light}}
|ja=梶裕貴 ''[[Yūki Kaji]]''
|en=[[Michael Liscio Jr.]]
|es_eu=Miguel Antelo
|fi=Henri Piispanen
|fr_eu=Thibault Delmotte
|it=Simone Lupinacci
|pl=Maciej Falana
|ko=심규혁''Shim Gyuhyeok''
}}

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[[Category:Kalos characters of the day]]
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Anime characters]]

[[it:Lem Mondo Specchio]]
[[ja:鏡像のシトロン]]

Mirror Serena

2016-01-25T08:12:33Z

Jdogno4: Correct me if the usage of ", and" was unnecessary somehow. An explanation would also be nice. Not trying to be too demanding.

[[File:Mirror Serena.png|250px|thumb|Mirror Serena]]
'''Mirror Serena''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国セレナ''' ''Mirror World Serena'') is a [[doppelgänger]] of {{an|Serena}} and a [[character of the day]] who appeared in ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]''. She is {{an|Serena}}'s counterpart from the [[Mirror World]]. Her personality is opposite to that of the regular Serena, as she is arrogant and takes battling very seriously. In the original version, she speaks in a {{wp|Kansai dialect}}.

Before the regular Ash stumbled upon the Mirror World, Mirror Serena had a battle with [[Mirror Ash]], which she won. After this, Mirror Serena bragged about it and called Mirror Ash a crybaby. This caused Mirror Ash to run off and decide to travel by himself. The Mirror World counterparts of Serena, {{an|Clemont}} and [[Mirror Bonnie|Bonnie]] then lost sight of him. They later found him again just outside [[Reflection Cave]], but were not aware that this was the {{Ash}} from the regular world instead.

As both the regular Ash and the Mirror World counterparts of his friends started to notice the different personalities, [[Mirror Clemont]] deduced this was not the Ash they knew. Mirror Serena refused to believe this and challenged Ash to a battle, stating she would believe it if he managed to win, which Ash accepted. Mirror Serena used her {{p|Fennekin}} against [[Ash's Froakie]], but Fennekin was easily defeated. Stating she would never lose to Mirror Ash, Mirror Serena now believed this Ash was indeed an Ash from another world.

After the battle, Mirror Ash showed up, having watched the battle from behind a tree. He explained how he had lost his own {{p|Pikachu}} and the group then decided to go look for him. They ultimately found out he was encaged by {{TRT}} of the regular world. Team Rocket also managed to encage the regular world [[Ash's Pikachu]]. While both Ashes battled Team Rocket, Mirror Clemont snagged the cages and threw them towards Mirror Serena, who freed them with her Fennekin.

After they blasted Team Rocket off, Mirror Serena helped in getting the regular Ash back to his own world, as he needed to get back before sunset to prevent getting trapped in the Mirror World forever. They found the mirror through which the regular Ash had come and managed to get the portal to appear. As the portals of the regular world and the Mirror World started to drift further apart, Mirror Serena encouraged her regular counterpart, who was at the other portal, to wish strongly for Ash to return. The regular Ash ultimately managed to get back and Mirror Serena said her farewells as the portals closed.

==Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Mirror Serena
|pkmn=Fennekin
|gender=female
|type1=Fire
|img=Mirror Serena Fennekin.png
|epnum=XY037
|epname=The Cave of Mirrors!
|vajp=Megumi Hayashibara
|vaen=Eileen Stevens
|desc={{p|Fennekin}} is Mirror Serena's only known Pokémon. Unlike her regular world counterpart, Mirror Fennekin has a very fierce battling spirit.

Before the regular {{Ash}} stumbled into the [[Mirror World]], Fennekin was used in a battle against [[Mirror Ash]]'s {{p|Froakie}} and managed to win. She was later used again in battle, now against the Ash of the regular world and his {{AP|Froakie}}. This time however, she was easily defeated with one {{m|Bubble}} attack. Later, Mirror Serena sent her out to break the glass cages in which {{TRT}} of the regular world had captured the {{p|Pikachu}} of both Ashes.

Fennekin's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}}, {{m|Scratch}} and {{m|Hidden Power}}.}}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color=FF8FA2|bordercolor={{y color}}
|ja=牧口真幸 ''[[Mayuki Makiguchi]]''
|en=[[Haven Paschall]]
|nl=Tara Hetharia
|fi=Alina Tomnikov
|el=Αφροδίτη Αντωνάκη ''Afrothiti Antonaki''
|it=Deborah Morese
|ko=김현지 ''Kim Hyun-Ji''
|pl=Dominika Sell
|pt_br=Michelle Giudice
|ru=Наталья Терешкова ''Natalia Tereshkova''
|es_la=Verania Ortiz
|es_eu=Isacha Mengíbar
|th=ธันยนันท์ พิพัฒน์ไชยศิริ ''Thanyanan Piphatchaisiri''
}}
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{{Project COD notice}}

[[Category:Kalos characters of the day]]
[[Category:Female characters]]
[[Category:Anime characters]]

[[it:Serena Mondo Specchio]]
[[ja:鏡像のセレナ]]

Mirror Serena

2016-01-25T08:09:31Z

Jdogno4: It is referring to Mirror Bonnie.

Mirror World

2016-01-25T08:06:39Z

Jdogno4: Correct me if the usage of ", and" was unnecessary somehow. An explanation would also be nice. Not trying to be too demanding.

{{AnimeLocationInfobox
|name=Mirror World
|characters=鏡の国
|japanese=Mirror World
|image=Mirror World.png
|imagesize=250px
|caption=Mirror World
|region=None
|epicode=XY037
|episode=The Cave of Mirrors!
|colorscheme=Unknown}}

The '''Mirror World''' (Japanese: '''鏡の国''' ''Mirror World'') is an alternate dimension with strong connections to the [[Reflection Cave]]. It is nearly identical to the regular [[Pokémon world]], with the exception that the humans and Pokémon found in the Mirror World have opposing personalities to their regular world counterparts and their physical appearances are reversed.

According to [[Mirror Clemont]], the existence of portals to other worlds in the Reflection Cave is a myth, at least in the Mirror World. This also suggests the Mirror World is merely one of many different alternate dimensions reachable through the Reflection Cave. Also according to Mirror Clemont, people not from the Mirror World will be trapped inside the Mirror World forever once the sun has set, although the regular world's {{TRT}} managed to get out somehow even though they were still in the Mirror World after sunset.

In ''[[XY037|The Cave of Mirrors!]]'', the regular {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} went through Reflection Cave. While there, Ash and {{AP|Pikachu}} got separated from the others. As he looked into a mirror, Ash's reflection suddenly moved and took Pikachu from his shoulder through the mirror. Ash went through the mirror after Pikachu. Once in the Mirror World, the regular Ash went outside Reflection Cave and met up with the Mirror World counterparts of [[Mirror Serena|Serena]], {{an|Clemont}} and [[Mirror Bonnie|Bonnie]]. He later also met [[Mirror Ash|his own Mirror World counterpart]] and teamed up with him to battle the Team Rocket of the regular world who had stolen both their Pikachu.

After they defeated the regular Team Rocket, Mirror Clemont realized that Ash needed to get back to his own world before sunset, or else he would be trapped in the Mirror World forever. They found the mirror through which Ash had come, but the portal was not there. It was then that Mirror Ash realized the portal opened when he wished strongly for Pikachu to return after he had lost him before. By wishing strongly to return, the regular Ash managed to open the portal. His friends were waiting on the other side at the other portal, but the two worlds started to drift apart more and more. By encouraging their regular world counterparts to hope for Ash to return, the Mirror World counterparts of Ash's friends managed to shorten the gap between the two portals. Ash managed to get back eventually and the portals closed.

{{-}}
{{Miscanime}} 
{{DoubleProjectTag|Anime|Locations}}

[[Category:Anime locations]]
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[[de:Andere Dimension (Kalos)]]
[[it:Mondo Specchio]]

Mirror World

2016-01-25T08:03:52Z

Jdogno4: Was there anything wrong with linking to Mirror Serena and Mirror Bonnie in those instances.

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2016-01-25T08:00:37Z

Jdogno4: Streamlining signature.

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}
== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}

I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: To start of, I wish you a happy 2016. Coming back to this question, I have been busy on my Wikia, and I added a lot of templates, but I can't find the Moveset template. Now is my question, where stores Bulbapedia her templates? Maybe it is in there, and works the code on Wikia as well. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 19:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
:::While I'm not sure how you're going to present the template, but using Bulbapedia's template code by code is not allowed as it is stealing. If you were to change it up and make it completely different to what we have, that's fine. The templates can be found in [[:Category:Templates]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. Also, nice job on comletely ignoring my point on how my removal was uncontroversial for 5 months before you started your paranoid hunt for "4chan trolls". [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Just so you are aware, I'm not saying that you are a troll, just that your edits were influenced by trolls. You removed the trivia because people (trolls) were laughing at us, not that you yourself think that the trivia was not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm tired of being insulted by a paranoid junior admin. Your attempts to smear my criticism as the work of trolls is nauseating. From now on I'll be talking only with your superiors regarding edits to the trivia sections. I no longer intend to talk with you without you apologizing first. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 10:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::While I do have an account on the forums, I do not think that creating an account on the Archives will be of any consequence as I am not allowed to upload pictures on the Archives(I am not eligible enough).[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 18:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Gah! I meant archives, not forums. So you do have an account on the archive but is not autoconfirmed, is that right? The autoconfirmation requirements is the same for the wiki, be a user for a period of time and make a certain amount of edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Well, I understand the auto confirmation thing. But this still does not help with the Hyperspace Fury images being on the designed page on Bulbapedia, as I still would not be able to upload the images till I edit a few pictures on the Archives, I hope you understand.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 12:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest make some edits... but then again, it's the archives. As for the image, if there's a logo on it then we can't use it. Not sure why, but pretty sure it's a copyright thing. If you can, edit out the logo or send the image to someone that can edit out the logo (I don't trust my photoshop skills).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

== I have a few questions about formatting... ==

How do I make the text wrap whenever I want?
How do I make pages display sprites?
How do I not link to disambiguation pages?
How do I add stuff to my user page like "This user identifies as genderless" and "This user's favorite type is ???"?
[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Have you read the manual of style? It should explain how to do those things. As for the user tags, just type the name of the user tag in curled brackets like so: <nowiki>{{User Male}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
::How do I make the tags say whatever I want, use whatever sprites I want, and link wherever I want?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:::The some of the tags should tell you how to format them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:49, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Couldn't you at least teach me how to choose tag's color and its image/sprite?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Like I said, go to each tag template page and there should be an instruction on how to use them. Like in [[Template:User Country]] that has an instruction on how to use it. If you want to use [[Template:User Favorite]], just type out <nowiki>{{User Favorite|001|Bulbasaur|Grass|Poison}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::Can I get a list of templates? Can I do a tag without a template?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You can find the user tag you want in [[:Category:User tags]]. A template is necessary for a user tag, that's how it looks the way it does.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:45, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

== Question==

I was checking out your manga trivia policy and one thing I would like to see if it is notable is that in Viz's last two releases of the Black and White volumes a number of titles are different from the previous mini-volume releases and I handled it by putting the main volumes titles as the primary title and added mini-volume titles as trivia. What do you think on this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 04:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Manga isn't really my area, trying asking {{u|Zesty Cactus}} who added the manga information into the policy page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

== Noticed a glitch in the ΩRαS Pokédex ==

I was filling out the Pokédex in ΩRαS when I noticed something odd in both OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire. You know how in the upper screen of the Pokédex, it shows all of the Pokémon's sprite icons? For some reason, if you have Salamence set as Mega Salamence, the sprite still shows regular Salamence instead of its Mega form. This is odd since all other Mega Pokémon, if set up as such, appear as their Mega evolutions, not as their original forms. How should I write this bug? Do I post this error as trivia in the Pokédex page, or do I make an Error section and post it there, or should I put this on Salamence's page? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 05:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:I'd say it goes to Salamence's page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:48, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

==Jonathan Todd Ross==

Just wondering if it was possible to create an actor page for Jonathan Todd Ross. There is quite a bit of info available for him I have found--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project_VA|Please read the notability requirements here]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:Fair enough, might take a while if he continues--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hoopa's Pokémon(?) ==

I wonder that a description of appearance of various Pokémon summoned by Hoopa (both formes) would be appreciable. What do you think? [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 19:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:It should just get mentioned, no need for a description.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Can I change my username after I create my account? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
:You have to ask Kogoro, since only EB and above can change usernames. Secondly, don't use the header of talk discussions as the main comment, use the edit box- that's its purpose. The main header should be just a short title about what the discussion is.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. Your answers are very helpful.[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== Bunnelby's Page ==

Thanks for sorting the situation out, ForceFire. I did tell one of the users that Bunnelby wasn't confirmed to be male yet, but still disagreed on it.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 16:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== Question about Bulbapedia history... ==

What's the meaning of "This user helped upgrade Bulbapedia to Platinum standard."? If it doesn't have significant meaning, why is it a user tag? --[[User:Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's for those that helped update the wiki when {{v|Platinum}} was released. It was a big deal at the time since it was the first "mass project", if you will.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia requirements ==

What are the requirements for something to be 'notable' enough to be added to the trivia section on an anime episode article? [[User:Pikmin6000|Pikmin6000]] ([[User talk:Pikmin6000|talk]]) 06:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[User:Force_Fire/Trivia_Policy/Episode|See here]]. It's not final or official, though whole trivia policy is currently being discussed, so there might be some changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

== Blue's Rhyperior ==

Is the page [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Blue's Rhyperior]] good enough to be put into the mainspace? I finished updating the information that was missing and it is an important Pokémon that Blue has owned.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 04:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's best to bring this to someone that knows the manga, like {{u|Zesty Cactus}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::I will. Thanks.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 05:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hoenn's Moss and Ice Rocks ==

While editing the pages for the [[Moss Rock|Moss]] and [[Ice Rock]]s, I noticed that Hoenn's entries are located after those from Kalos. I know it's because Hoenn's Moss and Ice Rocks debuted after Kalos's, but shouldn't Hoenn's entries be before Sinnoh's since the Hoenn region was the first of the listed regions to debut in the series? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:08, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:It goes by game order in Hoenn's case since it didn't exist in Gen III.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks for clarifying. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:37, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

==The Fundamentalist==
We need to do something about Jdogno4‎. Based on his comments in the "recent changes", he's a fundamentalist, and he's been editing articles with the word "god", and trying to insure an article that should be deleted is kept. I've reverted some of his edits, but he just reverts them himself. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 12:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:I've already given him a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:54, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 12:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Excuse me, why do you refer to me as a fundamentalist? How have I acted that is consistent with the definition of a fundamentalist?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Can I have an answer to my above question? Please?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 00:22, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

== Image Uploading ==

Hi, just a question. Are we allowed to upload images from other sites? I want to upload the trophies for Fennekin and Chespin, but the images I found on google are from the ssbwiki. There's also a nice screenshot image of Chespin in the game: [[link|http://img06.deviantart.net/998a/i/2015/116/3/9/ssb_for_wii_u___60___marisson___chespin_by_anthyno-d8r4nuw.jpg]] , but it's on deviantart (oddly). Does it matter if I upload them?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 20:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:I hit the save page button by mistake, could that little edit go by?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 20:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::No, you can't take images from other sites, it's stealing. Try and get the images yourself (that's, if you have the game).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately I do not have the game which is why I searched instead. Ah well, thanks anyway.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 05:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

==Justin Anselmi==

Just thought I'd let you know, received an email from Theresa Buchheister with cast lists and confirms that Justin Anselmi voices Researcher, Male trainers, Scizor, Venusaur Mega Evolution Special 4 if it helps him to get a page

Am Happy to email you with screencap if needed {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:If you have the email, then email me the screencap.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
:Sent you the list as requested--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, good. You may add them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

== By this site's own logic... ==
If Misha's TG Purrloin proves that Pokémon can act against their biological gender, and therefore non-binary Pokémon exist, then aren't Attract, Cute Charm and Captivate insufficient evidence for male or female Pokémon in the anime because a gay or lesbian Pokémon could attract a gay or lesbian Pokémon, therefore rendering those moves meaningless as evidence? So should all anime genders that are based Attract and Cute Charm be removed unless their biological gender was stated outright by a human who wasn't assuming based on Attract/Cute charm? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:Attract and Cute Charm only affect opposite genders.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::But that means that gay and lesbian Pokémon can't use those successfully in the anime, which would be incredibly hoophobic...but does Misha's Purrloin, the only evidence of LGBTQA Pokémon, prove there are more of such? Or was that behavior just a deception of cis-gendered Pokémon a plot device of that isn't reflective of it's sexuality? Is it proof that Pokémon act in non-binary genders, or do Pokémon's cis-gender behaviors encompass a more diverse range of stereotypes associated with multifaceted shades of masculine and feminine stereotypes than needing to be attributed to a LGBTQA identity? If we need to continue this on the forums, just say so... --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 04:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::What... are you on about? The Purrloin was being deceptive. That's not any indication of its sexuality. It doesn't prove anything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::So if that Purrloin acting feminine/pretending to be female means nothing about sexuality, does that disprove the theory that Charixard could be female even though Pokémon acting against their binary gender has nothing to do with sexuality? Charizard is in love with a biological female of its species, and if, according to the anime rule that since Attract cannot act between gay or lesbian Pokémon, therefore gay Pokémon do not exist in that universe if the psychosexual properties established for Infatuation by that world's science(pseudo as it is) doesn't allow for such, therefore all Pokémon are cis, and therefore all Pokémon with confirmed genders who have crushed on other Pokémon are cis, therefore all confirmed females are crushing on males and vice versa, meaning that Pokémon like Charizard and Pancham are male. That is my question...since Misha's Purrloin supposedly is why Charizard might be female, but since you just admitted that infatuation is cis in the anime's universe, how is Charizard a lesbian if Charla is a confirmed female, and not a Misha's Purrloin case in a universe whose own science doesn't let infatuation work according to sexuality, but to binary genders? How does Misha's Purrloin disprove Charizard being male if Purrloin isn't actively TG, proving that LGBTQA Pokémon exist, therefore making Charizard a potential lesbian? The whole Charizard gender debate hinges on Misha's Purrloin being TG in order to prove that LGBTQA Pokémon exist, and that supposedly made it so Charizard is undetermined to be male because it could be pulling a Misha's Purrloin in order to have a relationship with Charla, since, according to the Misha's Purrloin principle, Charizard might be a lesbian pretending to be a man in order to have a relationship with "her" crush. Is Misha's Purrloin sufficient evidence of LGBTQA Pokémon to throw all gender debates of the CHarizard-Pancham type(in addition to gendered actions, speech patterns and other things of that sort)into chaos because of the possibility of LGBTQA relationships among Pokémon, despite gay/lesbian and TG infatuation being impossible according to the anime's own logic?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::[[Ash's Charizard]]'s [[gender]] is not confirmed. Trying to make a long-winded roundabout comment isn't going to change that. Drop it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

== Problem with my signature ==

I changed my signature, but now it doesn't link to my userpage anymore. How do I fix it?--sumwun 00:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:Firstly, you use the lowercase template thing on '''your own userpage or talk page'''. Putting it on other user's pages makes their names in lowercase.
:Secondly, go to you preferences and in the signature box just type in <nowiki>[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]])</nowiki>--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks.[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:04, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

== Puni-chan/Squishy ==

The Puni-chan page was moved to Squishy too early as the episode of its second appearance won't air until February (Puni-chan's first appearance didn't reveal the dub name) and users weren't supposed to use the official site as a source for a character's dub name until the episode already aired. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 17:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:It appears that Glik and PokémonGamer both took care of it, unless you were aware of the whole thing. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:17, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::While I got your message, it was at around midnight my time and I was too tired to reply. But yeah, looks like it's been taken care of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Latest response ==
"A god is a deity. A king is a royal. Just like a goddess is a deity and a queen is a royal. Deity and Royal are gender neutral terms.": That is what I have been saying this whole time. No rudeness meant but is there a point in telling me this?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 05:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:That there is no issue with using gender neutral terms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Castform's Forecast ==

On Forecast page, while it is written that this is a form that Castform assumes upon raining, a Snowy Form Castform is shown above the text. Is it a mistake or is it intentional, as in ''this is'' Castform's Rainy Form in the anime. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 18:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:Never mind, as the doubt has been cleared. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 21:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

== Can't save my page, CAPTCHA ==

Hey again! :)

I was adding a trivia fact on a page and when I tried to save, they told me that I couldn't link outside of Bulbapedia if I didn't "enter the two words that appears in the box below".

Problem is, I don't see the said box. That happened to me when I was creating my account too, I managed to change my screen's resolution and get it right, but this time it just doesn't. Any help is appreciated. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:Try bringing this up with {{u|Kogoro}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== What am I not supposed to discuss on the talk page? ==

On http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball, I noticed that several entries said "Items Pocket" when they were supposed to say " Poke Balls Pocket". I asked why it was, and you told me to discuss it on the forums. Why am I not allowed to fix it or ask why it isn't being fixed?[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:I misread the title as "Why is it that the balls" rather than "WHy does it say that the balls", the former sounding like something that belong on the forums. As for the discrepancy, I'm not too sure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Leech Seed vs Seed Bomb ==

If you watch XY081 where Gourgiest's Lech Seed failed, you'll see that the small pellets all broke but whenever we see seed bomb collided with another attack, they explode. This is why I wrote on the Seed Bomb page that the Breloom in yesterday's episode had used it. Of course as soon as I make an edit that can be disputed in any possible way Playerking comes along and reverts it. I've said before that this user is targeting me, but you've done nothing. There have been other times where the identity of a move has not been confirmed either Leech Seed or Seed Bomb, and they are actually less distinguishable then this time, but PlayerKing has left them alone. I really don't like that every edit I make has a good chance of being scrutinised by this guy. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's Noibat ==

To avoid possible edit warring, can I get you to confirm Noibat's gender in XY103? Ash and even Meowth referred to Noibat as male around 11 minutes in when Hawlucha stopped Pikachu from interfering with Noibat's fight with Breloom. I don't see why whoever thought this situation was like Charizard's at all.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 05:16, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:Could you please provide a link to a clip that isn't fansubbed? It would be appreciated and would strengthen you case:Otherwise, it wasn't stated. If there is no infatuation status with one Pokémon having a confirmed gender or no non-Japanese gendered prefix or suffix statement of such, then there is no conformation. I learned the hard way:DON'T assume genders. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:27, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
::What was said? I don't really trust fansubs because they can be wrong or subjective.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:::It's still too early for any subs to be out, just so you know. I added the info in the same day as the episode was released on a site I watch it on.

All you have to do is just go and ''watch'' the Japanese episode around 11 minutes where Hawlucha stops Pikachu in like I said.

If you did, then you'd hear Ash calling the battle between Noibat and Breloom a "man to man fight" (otoko o otoko tatakai da). After Noibat got up, Ash also said something like "Sore de koso otoko da!", which I think it "That's how a man is!" or whatever.

"Otoko" translates to "man" basically, so by Ash calling Noibat's battle with Breloom with a masculine word like "otoko", it confirms Noibat (and Breloom I guess)'s gender. Meowth even calls him a man too. Even though I've even brought it up on the talk page before I put the info up, you assumed that I randomly put it up without proof. (I wrote this before you replied Force Fire)-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 06:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't have any way of watching the episode before it gets subbed nor do I actually know Japanese (I know a few words, but that's it really). As for the dialogue, I'll look into it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

::Sorry to get here out of nowhere (I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk on others users page without starting the subject, but still). Is there any official link for a Japanese subbed version of ALL the Pokémon anime? I would like to watch it, and if I ever find forgotten pieces of evidence I would like my source to be as official as possible. Thank you ! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 06:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Okay, I've just had another staff confirm it, I'll add back the gender info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Username usurpation ==

Is it possible to usurp usernames here – for example, one that has been inactive for roughly five years now? [[User:Greigite|Greigite]] ([[User talk:Greigite|talk]]) 06:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:No. Unless there's an extreme reason to do it, there's no way to usurp a username. Go to {{u|Kogoro}} for more info, since she's the one that can do the name changing and is probably more knowledgeable on this.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Spamming talk pages?! ==

"Please don't spam multiple talk pages with the same thing, it's pointless and clogs the recent changes. Use one talk page and stick with it.": I only placed the discussion on those talk pages because those were the articles where there had been a notable disagreement on the matter.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:That's not the point. Just because there are multiple pages in the dispute doesn't mean you should go to all of their talk pages, it's a pointless waste of time on only one of those discussions is probably going to be active.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:36, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I suppose I also did it to increase the chance that it would be noticed and a discussion would begin on the subject. Sorry if that was out of line.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Mirror Universe Category ==

"...the mirror world category is not needed as it is a one time thing that will not show up again...": It shows alternate universe versions of main anime series mainstream characters as opposed to doppelgangers who are separate individuals and originate in the same universe as the main anime series mainstream versions.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: To start of, I wish you a happy 2016. Coming back to this question, I have been busy on my Wikia, and I added a lot of templates, but I can't find the Moveset template. Now is my question, where stores Bulbapedia her templates? Maybe it is in there, and works the code on Wikia as well. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 19:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
:::While I'm not sure how you're going to present the template, but using Bulbapedia's template code by code is not allowed as it is stealing. If you were to change it up and make it completely different to what we have, that's fine. The templates can be found in [[:Category:Templates]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. Also, nice job on comletely ignoring my point on how my removal was uncontroversial for 5 months before you started your paranoid hunt for "4chan trolls". [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Just so you are aware, I'm not saying that you are a troll, just that your edits were influenced by trolls. You removed the trivia because people (trolls) were laughing at us, not that you yourself think that the trivia was not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm tired of being insulted by a paranoid junior admin. Your attempts to smear my criticism as the work of trolls is nauseating. From now on I'll be talking only with your superiors regarding edits to the trivia sections. I no longer intend to talk with you without you apologizing first. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 10:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::While I do have an account on the forums, I do not think that creating an account on the Archives will be of any consequence as I am not allowed to upload pictures on the Archives(I am not eligible enough).[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 18:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Gah! I meant archives, not forums. So you do have an account on the archive but is not autoconfirmed, is that right? The autoconfirmation requirements is the same for the wiki, be a user for a period of time and make a certain amount of edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Well, I understand the auto confirmation thing. But this still does not help with the Hyperspace Fury images being on the designed page on Bulbapedia, as I still would not be able to upload the images till I edit a few pictures on the Archives, I hope you understand.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 12:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest make some edits... but then again, it's the archives. As for the image, if there's a logo on it then we can't use it. Not sure why, but pretty sure it's a copyright thing. If you can, edit out the logo or send the image to someone that can edit out the logo (I don't trust my photoshop skills).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

== I have a few questions about formatting... ==

How do I make the text wrap whenever I want?
How do I make pages display sprites?
How do I not link to disambiguation pages?
How do I add stuff to my user page like "This user identifies as genderless" and "This user's favorite type is ???"?
[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Have you read the manual of style? It should explain how to do those things. As for the user tags, just type the name of the user tag in curled brackets like so: <nowiki>{{User Male}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
::How do I make the tags say whatever I want, use whatever sprites I want, and link wherever I want?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:::The some of the tags should tell you how to format them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:49, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Couldn't you at least teach me how to choose tag's color and its image/sprite?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Like I said, go to each tag template page and there should be an instruction on how to use them. Like in [[Template:User Country]] that has an instruction on how to use it. If you want to use [[Template:User Favorite]], just type out <nowiki>{{User Favorite|001|Bulbasaur|Grass|Poison}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::Can I get a list of templates? Can I do a tag without a template?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You can find the user tag you want in [[:Category:User tags]]. A template is necessary for a user tag, that's how it looks the way it does.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:45, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

== Question==

I was checking out your manga trivia policy and one thing I would like to see if it is notable is that in Viz's last two releases of the Black and White volumes a number of titles are different from the previous mini-volume releases and I handled it by putting the main volumes titles as the primary title and added mini-volume titles as trivia. What do you think on this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 04:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Manga isn't really my area, trying asking {{u|Zesty Cactus}} who added the manga information into the policy page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

== Noticed a glitch in the ΩRαS Pokédex ==

I was filling out the Pokédex in ΩRαS when I noticed something odd in both OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire. You know how in the upper screen of the Pokédex, it shows all of the Pokémon's sprite icons? For some reason, if you have Salamence set as Mega Salamence, the sprite still shows regular Salamence instead of its Mega form. This is odd since all other Mega Pokémon, if set up as such, appear as their Mega evolutions, not as their original forms. How should I write this bug? Do I post this error as trivia in the Pokédex page, or do I make an Error section and post it there, or should I put this on Salamence's page? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 05:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:I'd say it goes to Salamence's page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:48, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

==Jonathan Todd Ross==

Just wondering if it was possible to create an actor page for Jonathan Todd Ross. There is quite a bit of info available for him I have found--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project_VA|Please read the notability requirements here]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:Fair enough, might take a while if he continues--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hoopa's Pokémon(?) ==

I wonder that a description of appearance of various Pokémon summoned by Hoopa (both formes) would be appreciable. What do you think? [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 19:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:It should just get mentioned, no need for a description.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Can I change my username after I create my account? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
:You have to ask Kogoro, since only EB and above can change usernames. Secondly, don't use the header of talk discussions as the main comment, use the edit box- that's its purpose. The main header should be just a short title about what the discussion is.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. Your answers are very helpful.[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== Bunnelby's Page ==

Thanks for sorting the situation out, ForceFire. I did tell one of the users that Bunnelby wasn't confirmed to be male yet, but still disagreed on it.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 16:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== Question about Bulbapedia history... ==

What's the meaning of "This user helped upgrade Bulbapedia to Platinum standard."? If it doesn't have significant meaning, why is it a user tag? --[[User:Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's for those that helped update the wiki when {{v|Platinum}} was released. It was a big deal at the time since it was the first "mass project", if you will.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia requirements ==

What are the requirements for something to be 'notable' enough to be added to the trivia section on an anime episode article? [[User:Pikmin6000|Pikmin6000]] ([[User talk:Pikmin6000|talk]]) 06:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[User:Force_Fire/Trivia_Policy/Episode|See here]]. It's not final or official, though whole trivia policy is currently being discussed, so there might be some changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

== Blue's Rhyperior ==

Is the page [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Blue's Rhyperior]] good enough to be put into the mainspace? I finished updating the information that was missing and it is an important Pokémon that Blue has owned.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 04:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's best to bring this to someone that knows the manga, like {{u|Zesty Cactus}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::I will. Thanks.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 05:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hoenn's Moss and Ice Rocks ==

While editing the pages for the [[Moss Rock|Moss]] and [[Ice Rock]]s, I noticed that Hoenn's entries are located after those from Kalos. I know it's because Hoenn's Moss and Ice Rocks debuted after Kalos's, but shouldn't Hoenn's entries be before Sinnoh's since the Hoenn region was the first of the listed regions to debut in the series? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:08, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:It goes by game order in Hoenn's case since it didn't exist in Gen III.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks for clarifying. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:37, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

==The Fundamentalist==
We need to do something about Jdogno4‎. Based on his comments in the "recent changes", he's a fundamentalist, and he's been editing articles with the word "god", and trying to insure an article that should be deleted is kept. I've reverted some of his edits, but he just reverts them himself. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 12:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:I've already given him a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:54, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 12:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Excuse me, why do you refer to me as a fundamentalist? How have I acted that is consistent with the definition of a fundamentalist?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Can I have an answer to my above question? Please?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 00:22, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

== Image Uploading ==

Hi, just a question. Are we allowed to upload images from other sites? I want to upload the trophies for Fennekin and Chespin, but the images I found on google are from the ssbwiki. There's also a nice screenshot image of Chespin in the game: [[link|http://img06.deviantart.net/998a/i/2015/116/3/9/ssb_for_wii_u___60___marisson___chespin_by_anthyno-d8r4nuw.jpg]] , but it's on deviantart (oddly). Does it matter if I upload them?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 20:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:I hit the save page button by mistake, could that little edit go by?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 20:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::No, you can't take images from other sites, it's stealing. Try and get the images yourself (that's, if you have the game).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately I do not have the game which is why I searched instead. Ah well, thanks anyway.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 05:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

==Justin Anselmi==

Just thought I'd let you know, received an email from Theresa Buchheister with cast lists and confirms that Justin Anselmi voices Researcher, Male trainers, Scizor, Venusaur Mega Evolution Special 4 if it helps him to get a page

Am Happy to email you with screencap if needed {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:If you have the email, then email me the screencap.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
:Sent you the list as requested--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, good. You may add them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

== By this site's own logic... ==
If Misha's TG Purrloin proves that Pokémon can act against their biological gender, and therefore non-binary Pokémon exist, then aren't Attract, Cute Charm and Captivate insufficient evidence for male or female Pokémon in the anime because a gay or lesbian Pokémon could attract a gay or lesbian Pokémon, therefore rendering those moves meaningless as evidence? So should all anime genders that are based Attract and Cute Charm be removed unless their biological gender was stated outright by a human who wasn't assuming based on Attract/Cute charm? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:Attract and Cute Charm only affect opposite genders.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::But that means that gay and lesbian Pokémon can't use those successfully in the anime, which would be incredibly hoophobic...but does Misha's Purrloin, the only evidence of LGBTQA Pokémon, prove there are more of such? Or was that behavior just a deception of cis-gendered Pokémon a plot device of that isn't reflective of it's sexuality? Is it proof that Pokémon act in non-binary genders, or do Pokémon's cis-gender behaviors encompass a more diverse range of stereotypes associated with multifaceted shades of masculine and feminine stereotypes than needing to be attributed to a LGBTQA identity? If we need to continue this on the forums, just say so... --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 04:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::What... are you on about? The Purrloin was being deceptive. That's not any indication of its sexuality. It doesn't prove anything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::So if that Purrloin acting feminine/pretending to be female means nothing about sexuality, does that disprove the theory that Charixard could be female even though Pokémon acting against their binary gender has nothing to do with sexuality? Charizard is in love with a biological female of its species, and if, according to the anime rule that since Attract cannot act between gay or lesbian Pokémon, therefore gay Pokémon do not exist in that universe if the psychosexual properties established for Infatuation by that world's science(pseudo as it is) doesn't allow for such, therefore all Pokémon are cis, and therefore all Pokémon with confirmed genders who have crushed on other Pokémon are cis, therefore all confirmed females are crushing on males and vice versa, meaning that Pokémon like Charizard and Pancham are male. That is my question...since Misha's Purrloin supposedly is why Charizard might be female, but since you just admitted that infatuation is cis in the anime's universe, how is Charizard a lesbian if Charla is a confirmed female, and not a Misha's Purrloin case in a universe whose own science doesn't let infatuation work according to sexuality, but to binary genders? How does Misha's Purrloin disprove Charizard being male if Purrloin isn't actively TG, proving that LGBTQA Pokémon exist, therefore making Charizard a potential lesbian? The whole Charizard gender debate hinges on Misha's Purrloin being TG in order to prove that LGBTQA Pokémon exist, and that supposedly made it so Charizard is undetermined to be male because it could be pulling a Misha's Purrloin in order to have a relationship with Charla, since, according to the Misha's Purrloin principle, Charizard might be a lesbian pretending to be a man in order to have a relationship with "her" crush. Is Misha's Purrloin sufficient evidence of LGBTQA Pokémon to throw all gender debates of the CHarizard-Pancham type(in addition to gendered actions, speech patterns and other things of that sort)into chaos because of the possibility of LGBTQA relationships among Pokémon, despite gay/lesbian and TG infatuation being impossible according to the anime's own logic?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::[[Ash's Charizard]]'s [[gender]] is not confirmed. Trying to make a long-winded roundabout comment isn't going to change that. Drop it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

== Problem with my signature ==

I changed my signature, but now it doesn't link to my userpage anymore. How do I fix it?--sumwun 00:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:Firstly, you use the lowercase template thing on '''your own userpage or talk page'''. Putting it on other user's pages makes their names in lowercase.
:Secondly, go to you preferences and in the signature box just type in <nowiki>[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]])</nowiki>--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks.[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:04, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

== Puni-chan/Squishy ==

The Puni-chan page was moved to Squishy too early as the episode of its second appearance won't air until February (Puni-chan's first appearance didn't reveal the dub name) and users weren't supposed to use the official site as a source for a character's dub name until the episode already aired. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 17:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:It appears that Glik and PokémonGamer both took care of it, unless you were aware of the whole thing. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:17, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::While I got your message, it was at around midnight my time and I was too tired to reply. But yeah, looks like it's been taken care of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Latest response ==
"A god is a deity. A king is a royal. Just like a goddess is a deity and a queen is a royal. Deity and Royal are gender neutral terms.": That is what I have been saying this whole time. No rudeness meant but is there a point in telling me this?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 05:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:That there is no issue with using gender neutral terms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Castform's Forecast ==

On Forecast page, while it is written that this is a form that Castform assumes upon raining, a Snowy Form Castform is shown above the text. Is it a mistake or is it intentional, as in ''this is'' Castform's Rainy Form in the anime. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 18:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:Never mind, as the doubt has been cleared. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 21:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

== Can't save my page, CAPTCHA ==

Hey again! :)

I was adding a trivia fact on a page and when I tried to save, they told me that I couldn't link outside of Bulbapedia if I didn't "enter the two words that appears in the box below".

Problem is, I don't see the said box. That happened to me when I was creating my account too, I managed to change my screen's resolution and get it right, but this time it just doesn't. Any help is appreciated. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:Try bringing this up with {{u|Kogoro}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== What am I not supposed to discuss on the talk page? ==

On http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball, I noticed that several entries said "Items Pocket" when they were supposed to say " Poke Balls Pocket". I asked why it was, and you told me to discuss it on the forums. Why am I not allowed to fix it or ask why it isn't being fixed?[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:I misread the title as "Why is it that the balls" rather than "WHy does it say that the balls", the former sounding like something that belong on the forums. As for the discrepancy, I'm not too sure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Leech Seed vs Seed Bomb ==

If you watch XY081 where Gourgiest's Lech Seed failed, you'll see that the small pellets all broke but whenever we see seed bomb collided with another attack, they explode. This is why I wrote on the Seed Bomb page that the Breloom in yesterday's episode had used it. Of course as soon as I make an edit that can be disputed in any possible way Playerking comes along and reverts it. I've said before that this user is targeting me, but you've done nothing. There have been other times where the identity of a move has not been confirmed either Leech Seed or Seed Bomb, and they are actually less distinguishable then this time, but PlayerKing has left them alone. I really don't like that every edit I make has a good chance of being scrutinised by this guy. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's Noibat ==

To avoid possible edit warring, can I get you to confirm Noibat's gender in XY103? Ash and even Meowth referred to Noibat as male around 11 minutes in when Hawlucha stopped Pikachu from interfering with Noibat's fight with Breloom. I don't see why whoever thought this situation was like Charizard's at all.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 05:16, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:Could you please provide a link to a clip that isn't fansubbed? It would be appreciated and would strengthen you case:Otherwise, it wasn't stated. If there is no infatuation status with one Pokémon having a confirmed gender or no non-Japanese gendered prefix or suffix statement of such, then there is no conformation. I learned the hard way:DON'T assume genders. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:27, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
::What was said? I don't really trust fansubs because they can be wrong or subjective.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:::It's still too early for any subs to be out, just so you know. I added the info in the same day as the episode was released on a site I watch it on.

All you have to do is just go and ''watch'' the Japanese episode around 11 minutes where Hawlucha stops Pikachu in like I said.

If you did, then you'd hear Ash calling the battle between Noibat and Breloom a "man to man fight" (otoko o otoko tatakai da). After Noibat got up, Ash also said something like "Sore de koso otoko da!", which I think it "That's how a man is!" or whatever.

"Otoko" translates to "man" basically, so by Ash calling Noibat's battle with Breloom with a masculine word like "otoko", it confirms Noibat (and Breloom I guess)'s gender. Meowth even calls him a man too. Even though I've even brought it up on the talk page before I put the info up, you assumed that I randomly put it up without proof. (I wrote this before you replied Force Fire)-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 06:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't have any way of watching the episode before it gets subbed nor do I actually know Japanese (I know a few words, but that's it really). As for the dialogue, I'll look into it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

::Sorry to get here out of nowhere (I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk on others users page without starting the subject, but still). Is there any official link for a Japanese subbed version of ALL the Pokémon anime? I would like to watch it, and if I ever find forgotten pieces of evidence I would like my source to be as official as possible. Thank you ! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 06:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Okay, I've just had another staff confirm it, I'll add back the gender info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Username usurpation ==

Is it possible to usurp usernames here – for example, one that has been inactive for roughly five years now? [[User:Greigite|Greigite]] ([[User talk:Greigite|talk]]) 06:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:No. Unless there's an extreme reason to do it, there's no way to usurp a username. Go to {{u|Kogoro}} for more info, since she's the one that can do the name changing and is probably more knowledgeable on this.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Spamming talk pages?! ==

"Please don't spam multiple talk pages with the same thing, it's pointless and clogs the recent changes. Use one talk page and stick with it.": I only placed the discussion on those talk pages because those were the articles where there had been a notable disagreement on the matter.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:That's not the point. Just because there are multiple pages in the dispute doesn't mean you should go to all of their talk pages, it's a pointless waste of time on only one of those discussions is probably going to be active.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:36, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I suppose I also did it to increase the chance that it would be noticed and a discussion would begin on the subject. Sorry if that was out of line.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Mirror Universe Category ==

"...the mirror world category is not needed as it is a one time thing that will not show up again...": It shows alternate universe versions of main anime series mainstream characters as opposed to doppelgangers who are separate individuals and originate in the same universe as the main anime series mainstream versions.

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2016-01-25T07:43:39Z

Jdogno4: Streamlining signature.

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 7

2016-01-25T07:43:03Z

Jdogno4: Sorry.

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== Re: Sources ==
(Sorry, I didn't know where to respond)
I wish I could share an image of the source e-mail, but there's a footnote in Theresa Buchheister's signature that says I can't share it. I have no reason to lie about this information, and if you look at the credits the information is corroborated. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 13:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:Whilst I doubt that you would lie about it, proof is still needed. As for the email, just email me the image of the email. That way there's no need to upload it on an image sharing site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
::<s>May I please ask what you will use the source for? Will you share it with anybody else? I really don't want to breach the contract.</s> Never mind. I got the OK from Ms. Buchheister. What's your e-mail so I can forward it to you? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Relax, I'm just going to view the image. Just use the email user function on the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== Weird user(s)/vandal? ==

Alright. So, first [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci|this user]] started changing Brock's Mudkip to Paul's Mudkip (obviously wrong). And [[Special:Contributions/PaulPascucci322|then created this second account]]. I'll let you handle it from here. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 07:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:He hasn't done much since, so I decided to give him a warning and block the other account.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== My edits ==

Is there any real reason you decided to undo all of my edits across multiple pages or is it just because you are upset I added a piece of trivia to Chespin and you venting?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:I gave my reasons in the edit summary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::Reasons or not you went and undid everything I have been doing despite the fact that most of it should not be removed. The fact that all of it is stuff I have done is just bullying and abusing your power.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::First of all, that is not bullying, what you have written on your talk page is that ''Clemont's Chespin is the first owned by a main character to not be owned by Ash'', there are many main characters not to be owned by Ash, such as Togepi, Onix, Geodude, Staryu, Psyduck and many more, what you actually added on it's page was '' Chespin is the only regional {{type|Grass}} {{pkmn2|starter}} that {{Ash}} hasn't obtained '', this not for a Pokémon owned by a main character, it is for a SPECIES AS A WHOLE [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I wrote it is the first regional grass starter, which narrows it down to a point that makes it trivia worthy. It is only meant for Clemont's Chespin, not the species as a whole. {{unsigned|Pikablu}}
{{indent}} Okay, let me get this to you, in anime, there are many Chespin, {{tt|not a single|Clemont's Chespin}} Chespin in the anime, so therefore it should be added to the Species Page, i.e {{p|Chespin}} [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 17:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
: While I understand that, what I am trying to say is that Clemont's Chespin is the first regional grass starter to be owned by a main character but not belong to Ash.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
::You aren't the first user who've I've checked their contributions to see the type of edits they make, and trust me, you aren't the only one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:54, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== "Composed is a more musical term" ==

You recently reverted some of my edits and stated that "Composed is a more musical term" although compose is generally used in a musical term it is not exclusive to music and is perfectly acceptable in many other contexts. Composed of means that the subject of the sentence is made of the object. In the Veilstone City example the dojo is made of several smaller rooms, as I stated earlier comprise is to be used as an active verb so "comprised of" is inappropriate as this is a passive verb so in the Veilstone City example "Veilstone Gym is a dojo comprised of several smaller rooms" means that it is a dojo contained within several smaller rooms which shouldn't make any sense. The argument you used to support "comprised of" is that it "flows" better, this shouldn't be an issue with "composed of" as the pronunciation is very similar. So in conclusion "composed of" should be just as good, maybe even better. Thank you. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:You seem to be laboring under the same misconception as [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised|another user was]]; "comprised" very much does not have to equal "contains". Passive usage is also not wrong (both Wiktionary and Webster's have quotes using "comprised of").
:In short, there is not really a good reason to change "comprised of". It was discussed on your talk page before. If you weren't convinced, you really should have revisited that discussion, instead of revisiting the pages you were previously reverted on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::Context, my friend. If something is "comprised of" an object, it '''consists of''' or '''contains''' the object. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Why not use "consists of", "contains" "made of" etc because it is more precise than "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
::::If you want to, go ahead. I always use "consists of" to stray away from the "comprised of" debate, but I am still on the opinion that "comprised of" is not grammatically incorrect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::For whatever it's worth, I'd be cautious about okaying something like that. Effectively, it's a green light to change something (''across the board'') that's considered okay just because one person thinks something else is better. If it's okay for anyone/everyone to do that, then we could easily end up with many people making many edits just to change things to their own liking, when it was already fine.
:::::In a situation like this, at best, I'd say that this is a case of "If you come across it in the course of something else, feel free; but don't edit a page just to change that one thing". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::Precisely. If you're changing it to change the whole sentence or what not, fine. But if you're changing it because someone somewhere thinks it's incorrect, then that's a different issue entirely.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for late reply I was away for a while. Tiddlywinks although it is true that something should not be changed just because one person has an issue with it, with the "comprised of" issue I would say it's different because I'm not the only person who has an issue with it. ShinyGiratina has shown that he/she has an issue with it and after doing a web search the top results are to do with the issue surrounding "comprised of". If someone does have an issue with grammar and a consensus is reached I don't see what would be wrong with making changes.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 19:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::There's not a consensus. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I never meant it in that way, I was saying that if any users have issues with grammar on this site then we could possibly come to a consensus.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::No consensus was ever reached for you to make those changes. If someone has an issue with something that involve numerous pages, it must be discussed first which you seem to finally understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes true but I truly believe that the instance on "Mewtwo (original series)" should be changed from "a team comprised of Team Rocket..." to "a team of Team Rocket..." because the word "comprised" is completely redundant. The Lilycove Museum page also unnecessarily uses "comprised of" and a word like "features" could be much better because it would avoid the debate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or just leave it be. If you're going to change the whole sentence (and in turn take out "comprised of") that's fine, but if you just want to solely take "comprised of" out that's where the problem lies. Because there's no reason to change it and the edit is just based off the opinion of one person.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's not just the opinion of one person if you do a web search for "comprised of" you will see that many people state that they have an issue with the term. The users Snorlaxmonster and ShinyGiratina have changed "comprised of" so they probably have an issue with the term. If anything if "comprised of" is changed it would avoid the issue and it won't make the pages any worse so why is there an issue with just changing "comprised of"? If someone does why would it be right to revert edits as it is a small change and as I mentioned it won't make anything worse.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) The problem still arises that there are only a select few users on Bulbapedia that feel that "comprised of" is incorrect, and the ones I have seen posting about it are entirely focused on using only the definition of "comprised" to argue their point. What you (collectively) fail to realize is that when you use a word as part of a phrase, the individual words' definitions do not necessarily directly affect the definition of the phrase. Ask a sample of random people "What does comprised of mean?" and I guarantee that the majority (if not all) will say something along the lines of "is made up of". This case is a situation where common usage has dictated that the definition of the '''phrase''' "comprised of" means "is made up of", and as such is acceptable, and there is no need to change it just for the sake of changing it, whether coming across it by chance or purposely hunting it down. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:Saying that "comprised of" means "made of" might be ok in infomal speech but it doesn't seem appropriate on an encyclopedia. If you check the definitions that Tiddlywinks linked they have usage notes advising against using it so it's not like it's received universal approval. As I have kept mentioning at least if "comprised of" isn't used it would avoid the debate.Your example of asking people what "comprised of" means I believe that a lot would say it's incorrect/inappropriate.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Taking a look at [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise Webster's] again, it actually seems to pretty strongly take the side of the "comprised of" sense against proscriptionists, even noting that they've found it to be more common in recent literature.
::Ratchet and Clank 1995, can I ask if you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? I.e., is it that "sense 3" (as Webster lists it) that you have a problem with altogether, or is it only the form "comprised of" that rubs you the wrong way? I'm afraid that's not entirely clear to me. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::You're still not getting it Ratchet. You're solely removing "comprised of", you're not changing the whole sentence (which would be fine). There's nothing wrong with "comprised of". If something is '''comprised of''' an object it '''contains''' the object. If something '''comprises''' an object it is '''contained''' in the object.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC
::::If there truly isn't anything wrong with "comprised of" why would anyone attempt to change it on this encyclopedia? Why when you do a web search are there so many sites saying that there is an issue with the phrase? I believe it's because it's disputed so there is something wrong with it an as I've kept mentioning removing it would avoid the issue. In the most recent edit I removed "comprised" because it was completely redundant and has it made the page any worse? I don't think so and why is there an issue with just removing "comprised of".[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't make the page any worse, no. But it is just something that '''doesn't need''' to be done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::There are attempts to change it because people believe they are right no matter what others say. Just because there are random sites devoted to the improperness of the phrase does not mean it is wrong. If dictionaries provide the definition that you are arguing so vehemently against, then that means that the definition is commonly accepted and true, and that you need to adapt your point of view. This is a personal crusade that you (Ratchet) have, as you are now the only person arguing in favor of changing the phrase. You don't like the phrase? Don't use it in your own contributions, but that does not give you the right to demand that the phrase be removed because you personally have a problem with the way it is used. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::...I'm still interested in this, Ratchet and Clank: do you have a problem with the sentence, ''"women comprise about 8 percent of our military forces"''? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::@Tiddlywinks, I believe that it would be better to use "make up" or "compose" as generally parts make up the whole while the whole comprises the parts.
::::::::@ChE clarinetist, Webster's state "You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 3 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up" which shows that they acknowledgethat the phrase isn't universally accepted and advise you to use something else to avoid the issue. The purpose of a dictionary isn't to tell you what is correct its purpose is to tell you what people mean when they use a word therefore even if something is in a dictionary it doesn't mean it's correct. I only brought up the dictionary to state the usage note which shows that it isn't universally accepted. It's not just my opinion as I've mentioned earlier and if it is removed it doesn't need to be reverted.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::At some point, when a word has been used long enough without being stopped, you can't really argue it anymore—the language has changed, no matter how much you or anyone like-minded may want to continue arguing it; it's not up to you to pick and choose the bits of language that only suit you. Comprised certainly seems to have been used long enough to reach that point; hell, from my point of view, I've never had the suspicion "comprised of" ''wasn't'' right before running into this issue on Bulbapedia, and I think I've grown up fairly well read. In short...just get with the times. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't think "Comprised of" has nearly reached the level where it has become universally accepted because why are there so many sites that discuss the issue? Why do Webster's have that usage note that advises you to use a "safer" synonym? I believe I know why, it's because it hasn't been accepted. A lot of people probably don't know that there's anything wrong with "comprised of" but maybe after reading the issue they might decide to not use it in the future.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I absolutely wasn't suggesting it was universal—I'm not so foolish as to suggest that when this whole discussion (and/or random websites) screams that it's not. Effectively, I'm saying it's at the point of no return; it won't be wished away, or wished out of "proper" discourse. And as I said above, the note on Webster's is rather clearly skeptical of the critics of the "comprised of" sense. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== New cast information ==
Check your e-mail for proof. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 23:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:Feel free to add the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Linkage ==

On episode articles featuring first-stage Pokémon (i.e.: Froakie) that appeared in flashbacks but already evolved several episodes ago, would it be okay to link it to the form it's currently in on the list of Pokémon that appeared in the episode so Ash's Froakie's flashback appearance in [[XY085]] occurred way after it evolved meaning I could link it to Frogadier's page, or would that still count as spoilers? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, since it's not really much of a spoiler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::It was something done like [[Special:Diff/2325778|this]] by the way. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::That's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

== Request to add Pokemon India Events to Pokemon in South Asia page ==

Pokemon made an appearance in World Children's expo, Delhi, and Camlin has partnered with Pokemon for Camlin Pokemon Carnival and launch of Pokemon Stationeries. Details have been given in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_in_South_Asia#Pokemon_Event_in_India Pokemon in South Asia Talk page]. I think some content could be added to Trivia.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kanhakris16 '''Kanhakris16'''] [https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheatreltd Dreamtheatre fb page] 03:45 (UTC), 30 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Hawlucha personalty ==

So we can't say it is Independent pokemon
It went on its own to train in the forest not telling the others --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

can we say Hawlucha is independent --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 21:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding edit in Route 4 ==

Hi!

I see that you undid my edit in the [[Kanto Route 4]] page. Regarding the reason you gave, there is only as much north in Route 4 in Gen I and III, as there is in Gen II and IV, as you can see in the route map. As per current info, Mt. Moon is to the north of Route 4 only in Gen II and IV, so how would a player reach Mt. Moon in Gen I and III? They have to go through Route 4 and after entering Route 4, they have to go in the '''Northern''' direction (or rather North-Western), just like in Gen II and IV. If it stays as you have now made it, then it would mean that Mt. Moon cannot be reached through Route 4 in Gen I and III, which is incorrect.

[[User:Ishu bagaria|Ishu bagaria]] ([[User talk:Ishu bagaria|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Mt. Moon is '''part''' of Route 4 in Generations I and III. To get to Mt. Moon, you have to traverse through Route 4.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

== Just Checking ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash's_Talonflame#Can_we_put_this_photo_please This kind of edit] is within reasonable grounds for editing others' comments, right? I replied here as well, but it's just turning the images into links (in the one case with a description matching the image title) and not otherwise editing, even for separate comment spacing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think that's okay, if the images are large and make the discussion seem unreadable, then it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-evolution tutor moves ==

A while ago, I got into a small [[User_talk:CycloneGU#Tutoring|disagreement]] with another user on how to handle certain pre-evolution exclusive moves. After discussing it for a while on his talk page, he suggested I bring it up with an admin, which I think I meant to do but kind of forgot to until now. The edits in question are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234484&oldid=2234477 here], [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Musharna_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234555&oldid=2234543 here], and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ludicolo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2234557&oldid=2234549 here]. The source of disagreement was on whether or not certain moves that could only be obtained via pre-evolution in XY but could be tutored in ORAS needed any special indication on the table. I provided a few examples on his talk page of learnsets where this had been done in the past (for move tutors available in Emerald/B2W2/Pt/HGSS but not the other games of the generation), including the Generation V learnsets of both Pokémon in question. I'm just wondering which is correct, the old pages or the new ones? And if the new ones are correct, do the old ones need to be updated, or is it just a special exception for Gen VI?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
:I feel like the tags also implies that it knows the moves prior to evolution only in those games, as in Musharna would only know Zen Headbutt prior to evolution only in XY, which is obviously not the case. Another thing, the reason of move tutors making the prior learning pointless doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean Zen Headbutt can't be both tutored and learned before evolution. As for which is correct, it's obvious that I'm saying get rid of them, but ask another admin for another opinion. That, and I'm kinda out of touch with the learnlist templates, so I don't really remember which is the correct way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

== PkMn pゥぁゥぇHijinx ==

We need to talk about 3 pages.
[[PkMn pゥぁゥぇ]]
[[PkMn (DC)]]
So you said that the dex entry was for the pゥぁゥぇ. And its name is PkMn.We need to move hexes CE and D6. [[User:Racerjames200|Racerjames200]] ([[User talk:Racerjames200|talk]]) 13:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

== Hey their ==

I'm trying to chat with u on Fourms but u don't reply

r u upset with me --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not on the forums very often.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

so no videos either
its shows Noibat hatching --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

it was very cool video can we please put some videos instead of photos --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Too many gifs will cause the page to load slowly. And we don't need a gif or on image of Noibat hatching, we don't have one for Phanpy/Togepi/Larvitar/Eevee etc.. hatching.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

i could find those if u like--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't say what my opinions are on these pages either
we are discussing that all
its feels like their no point helping out --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

== Mobile browsers and Ads ==

Hi Force Fire.
After writing a long message to only have it not submit properly. I'm trying again.
This issue has been a huge pet peeve of mine for the past month.
Ads, which bind to right side and bottom, take up ~3/4 of a page on a mobile screen. Rendering the use of the wiki page virtually impossible.
They stay outside the frame for the text of the article. But, things like route maps fallout side of those frames on mobile, and then underneath ads.
Also, zooming in doesn't move the ads out of view, they stick with you, so now if something was too small to read, it's large enough but gets covered up.
Lastly. I discovered logging in removes the ads, sure nice, but logging in every time I come here shouldn't be necessary

I searched for well over an hour to find a feedback place on the site. But to no luck. Contacting you is the best solution I came up with. Hopefully you will be able to push this information and come up with a good solution. ([[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 05:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC))
:Hello, regarding technical aspects of the site you are best to ask [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1.html Archaic on the forums], or create a thread on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/ the bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Wilco. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [[User:Wingeddonkey|Wingeddonkey]] ([[User talk:Wingeddonkey|talk]]) 06:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Section of Character page ==

We should make new section

Pokemon that failed to be captured

Captured Failed
Ash tries to catch pokemon that failed
we will Picture and deatils and moves as well --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:That rarely ever happens, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

What Ash try to catch few like Weedle, Dusprnce, Wild pidove, and few others
Clemont failed to capture Tyrantrum.
Dawn as well--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:You've only listed three examples, that's far too small to consider creating a new section/page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh i try to remember their more
it doesn't have to main characters their also other character of the day
Like the Fishman Master who try to catch Whispur by a Master Ball

Iris tried to capture Meowth.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Character of the Days are too minor to give any special mention. I've already said no, and I'm going to stress again, it is '''not''' needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Brock wanted to catch Donphan--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

== ForceFire i was wondering ==

Do u dislike me by any chance?

I just want to help out with the show of this website that's all?
We can't add videos
i can't add trivia or personality of poekmon --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I don't dislike you. But if you are going to persist on doing the same thing over and over, I'm going to be harsh. You can add trivia (as long as it's notable), you can add personality (as long as it's well written). We don't need gifs, at least, not a ton of it since too many of it can slow down the site. You also need to realize when an article has too many images. [[Ash's Talonflame]] already has a lot of images, adding another would make it look terrible.
:Again, I don't dislike you, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

No wouldn't honestly I love to see the images but others too.
Also Trivia for Ash Noibat
Its the second to be found not given so it wouldn't be good info.

Ash Hawlucha should have image as wild with his mask
Ash Hawlucha is also shows to be independent because he wonder off in the forest not letting others known he was gone. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:You're missing my point. Take a look--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC) at [[Ash's Talonflame]]'s page and count the images and see how the page looks with those images. Adding one more you make it look terrible.
:Something happening the second time '''is not''' notable. Only the first time.
:No, it doesn't. It's unnecessary. And the its independence is already noted in the personality section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Really Independent is in the personality i know i add it but i thought it was deleted

Also I'm trying to use Forums page for Pokemon to have their power such as if they are powerful or powerhouse?
U never answer it
Another user said Ash Swellow is powerhouse but I said to that user was wrong because its doesn't seem to be powerhouse pokemon Ash Swellow is very strong to me that's all. Do u mind looking and see it correct. Since Ash Palpitoad is believed to be powerhouse and Krookodile which i agreed with u or another user who type this. Do u believe these two correct and why?
I understand Krookodile powerhouse
But why Ash Palpitoad is powerhouse its have high levels moves but not really powerhouse honestly but endurance and stamina maybe was the reason?--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I saw that thread, but I didn't partake in it because to be honest, I'm not interested. There is no right or wrong statements, who is pwerful if not a fact, it is just opinions and speculation. Please leave all the "powerhouse" talk to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you and i discuss about powerhouse on the Forums?
Please can we chat like right now about it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said, I am not interested. There are other users you can talk to on the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Do u know any others user i talk to please help me
Im really bad at this
Please give me user that knows about power? please --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know. You have to talk to others yourself.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Well can u look please
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/pokemon-ash-misunderstanding-powerhouse-203460/
--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

What happen to the pictures now they look terrible before their were great--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 17:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COrUfdVU8AA-uIz.jpg:large

can u believe it
that little guy shapeshift
Its like Digimon
Rokie-Champion-ultimate-mega level Pokemon lol

Greninga looks different whats going on --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

look at the picture
I think Greninga has mega evolution form look cool

Hey force what did u do on Ash pokemon pages?
Noibat, secptile, and Frogadier pages{{unsigned|SilverioFlame}}
:I protected them. Standard procedure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Noibat and Frogadier were both evolved as well Sceptile can Mega Evolve in the future episodes right? This pictures were some spoilers that Sceptile will be Ash's first Mega Evolved Pokemon and both Noibat and Frogadier were evolved into Noivern and Greninja. Also, Greninja has a different looks which is called "Ash Greninja". --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 07:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

:Yes... and?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::And that little green blob is actually Zygarde's another form named Zygarde Core as well Cell Form, 10 Percents which the [[Pokemon X and Y Versions|same Zygarde before]] is actually 50 percents. The ultimate form was Zygarde Perfect Forme which Zygarde in 50 percents absorbs Xerneas and Yveltal's powers to reveals it's true form. This Zygarde Core's different forms were some kinda like an evolution method or transformation method. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Not sure what point you're trying to make, but we are not adding the info yet. The info gets added once corocoro is released.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh, thanks for the advice Force Fire. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 08:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

More Personalty
As Chimpchar, it's shows to have a lot of fear of Zangoose. As it will show to freeze in front of Zangoose and will try to be unable to fight back. But being with Paul he was forced to fight against it wishes to prove to paul it will be strong battler. But when lost to fight against Zangoose from Paul it was released and trying to convince Paul to give it another chance but was upset he couldn't get another chance. As it was excited to be join with Ash team. Later he saw few wild Zangoos that were trying to push his friends off the cliff and with Ash supporting to as Chimpchar was able to get over its fear and able to fight them. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I know im not a true genius guy
and i know u know its true '
but im trying my best
i want to help
i want to learn
i want to Pokemon expert
i want to be like u true expert

Sorry about that i didnt think it was spam
i just agreed thats all
i hope u werent upset with me agreeding sorry --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Speculation Crackdown? ==

Was something announced since my last edit? Not sure why Zygarde needed protection there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:Corocoro leak shows Zygarde having alternate forms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::Ah. I still think it's premature to lock to everyone (autoconfirmed still being allowed, namely), but hey, you've obviously seen other cases of people bringing leaks onto the pages without confirmation. I will note this, though; if that isn't a sign that something big is being announced in the coming days, I don't know what it could be. I always figured either Z or more Kanto remakes were next. And it's a good thing I got my list completed before the lock went in! LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Hey, can you edit the [[Pokémon in South Asia]] page with the following info?
* M02 premiered on Hungama channel on 22nd August. It's opening and ending theme were skipped. It was based on the Japanese version instead of English version.
* Hungama had put S05 on Hiatus. After about 12 weeks, they resumed airing new episoes from Ep263 from 31st August.
*Hungama TV completed S05 episodes today with the airing of EP274.
Can you add this to the page in the respective sections? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:Why you and other admins are not adding these info? As today Hungama started S06 episodes today,
:*In the air date box, please add today's date like this {{tt|16th September, 2015|Hungama TV}} besides CN air date in the AG001 column.
:*In the top of the page besides the country flags after <code>In May 2014, the anime was also picked up by {{wp|Hungama TV}}, which started airing the {{series|original}}. The channel also started airing the {{series|XY}} from May 2015.</code> there's a line saying about the AG series is hidden. Please unhide it and change that ''July 2015'' into ''September 2015'' as it debuted today.
:*In the Hungama TV section, between the Original series and XY series section, there's a Advanced Generation series section hidden. Please unhide it too and add before the table that AG series debuted today with S06 with the airing of AG001. Then in that table please add today's date.
:Please do these and the previous edits too '''or''' unlock the page and give us last chance! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Why you and any other admins are not doing these edits '''even though you all are active which can be known by seeing in the User contributes'''? Is there any problem with these edit requests? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Is there any problem with those edits? If yes, then tell me so if I can help you. --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::If you are not doing these edits because we had already asked other admins to do them, then I would tell you that they are not doing those edits even though being active, and as they were not doing those edits that is why I came to you for these edits. Now toh edit...... --[[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon world in relation to the real world ==

You reverted an edit in which I removed information about a Spearow nicknamed "Kenya". I fail to see how this is relevant because it's just a name, what next "There is a character from the Diamond and Pearl series called Paris, the name of a city in France". If the Spearow called Kenya is allowed then so should the example I listed. The main issue I have with this one is that the others actually mention the location whereas in this instance it is just the name of a Pokemon. Does this mean that any character in Pokemon with a name that is also a place therefore a reference to the to the geographical location? [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:Paris is a common name, Kenya is not a name given to a person (as far as I know). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::It still doesn't actually mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::It's a reference, which in turn, mentions the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well ok then, I guess you won't mind the addition I made to the page.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 12:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::You don't get the point of what I just said. Paris is a '''common name''', so a character having the name Paris does not necessarily refer to the country, it could refer to a person named Paris. Kenya, on the other hand, is '''not''' a common name and could only refer to nothing '''but''' the country.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A Pokémon having the name Kenya doesn't necessarily refer to the country, you don't know that the developers intended it to be a reference, it could just be a coincidence. You don't get my point the other points actually mention real world places this is mearly a name, it does not mean that Kenya exists in the Pokémon World. I don't think Paris being a "common name" would exclude it because it is also a real world location just like Kenya and it could refer to the city.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The country is '''referenced''', therefore it is '''mentioned'''. What else could Kenya refer to? The whole point of the section is to list times a country is '''mentioned'''. Saying that Paris is a reference to the city is an assumption, and it's an assumption because it could be referring to a person named Paris. Kenya referencing the country '''is not''' an assumption, because like I said, what ''else'' could it be referring to?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::The country is not referenced, you are right in that the section is to list places mentioned but this one doesn't. The Guyana one for example actually mentions the geographical location the Spearow however just happens to have a name that is also a geographical location, you seem to think that it has to refer to the country but it could just be its name, just how Paris is a name that doesn't necessarily refer to the city. The Spearow could be called Kenya for a number of reasons it doesn't have to be named after the country it could just be a coincidence. Finally if the section is: "Real world locations mentioned" then this wouldn't qualify because Kenya isn't actually mentioned.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 14:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, the country is referenced. Its name is Kenya. I'm not sure if there is anything or anyone named Kenya, but Kenya is a country and nothing else. Paris is a city '''and''' a given name. A reference to Paris could mean either of those two things. A reference to Kenya is a reference to the country, because it's the only Kenya.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Kenya isn't just a country, as it turns out Kenya is named after {{wp|Mount Kenya}}. Kenya is also a commune in the city {{wp|Lubumbashi}}. I added this to the page because it could also reference the two places I mentioned. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You're just adding that to disprove my point. It is most likely referring to the country, not a mountain and certainly not a commune. "Most likely" being the key word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::How can you be certain that it is "Most likely" referring to the country? There is nothing else to suggest that it is. Why is there any reason to believe that it is "certanly not a commune" do you have any evidence to suggest that it '''certainly''' isn't because from what I am inferring it is ok to name Pokémon after countries but not communes and mountains. Do you have any information from the developers which states that they named the Spearow after the country and not the other two places I mentioned. This one goes back to the issue that is, it doesn't actually mention a place it just happens to share a name, if the country is referenced then so should every other place that is called Kenya. You stated that "Kenya could refer to nothing '''but''' the country" after I did some research it turns out that this is not the case so I disproved one of your points. Thank you for reading my response[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Because people would '''most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It doesn't change the fact that the commune still exits. Saying things like "people would ''"most likely''' know the country, not the mountain or the commune" is debatable. You stated that the edits are only to get my way well I could say that yours aren't and are only done to get your way because you removed information about a real world location, it has nothing to do with how well it is known.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Yes, the commune exists, but is it really the first thing that comes to mind? No, I don't think so. Ask everyone what "Kenya" is, and they'll most likely answer "a country" '''not''' "a commune". I've already given you reasons why it would refer to the country and not the commune, but you still keep reverting and simply refuse to drop the issue. {{WP|England, Arkansas|England}} is a city in Arkansas, yet we have it linked to the country of the UK. Why? because it's the one that most people would know. Same thing with Kenya--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The England example doesn't work because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it refers to the country and not a city in Arkansas. It is a William Shakespeare inspired episode who was an English playwright so this makes it almost certainly link to the country and not a city in Arkansas. The Spearow called Kenya however has no other supporting evidence to suggest the country as I've kept mention it is only a name, did the person mention that he named it after the country? As there is no other evidence it could still refer to the commune. Your point about people would "most likely" know the country is subjective because it depends on the people you would ask and there are probably some people who haven't heard of the country also do you have any evidence to support your claim? Finally it shouldn't be about how well known a place is because the fact is a Spearow is only named Kenya which could refer to a lot of things or none of them.{{unsigned|Ratchet and Clank 1995}}
:::::::::::::::::Put it this way: if [[wp:Kenya, Lubumbashi]] is a stub with only one tiny sentence (under 300 bytes total on the page), we may '''''objectively''''' consider it an obscure topic. (No, there's not really any way to contradict that. If ''no one'' has expanded that article beyond that paltry single sentence in the three years it's been around, then it's pretty solidly ''obscure'' or of low significance.) By contrast, both [[wp:Mount Kenya]] and [[wp:Kenya]] have tens of thousands of bytes.
:::::::::::::::::You keep trying to frame it as subjective, but your wording still betrays you. You suggest "there are probably '''some''' people who haven't heard of the country", but that still agrees with the claim, "People will '''most''' likely know the country". Long story short, you can try to spin it all you want, but you're plainly only playing word games to try to get your way, one way or another. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::The people that wouldn't know the country Kenya is ''most certainly'' not going to know the commune. Like I said, the country is most likely going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Sure, the character didn't say he named it after the country, but it is still a reference (and therefore a mention) to the country. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::ForceFire the country is named after the mountain. The reason why I think it's important to give a mention to all the Kenyas is that there isn't any solid evidence to suggest that a Spearow called Kenya '''only''' mentions the country as I have kept mentioning it is only a name he didn't state that he named it after the country, if he did I would see that as mentioning a real world location but he did not. You and Tiddlywinks are saying that I am only trying to get my way is that not what you are both doing? ForceFire you gave an example about England having various different uses but in that example Misty actually mentioned a place and I explained why I thought it could only refer to the country the Spearow has no other information to suggest that it was named after a country. Hypothetically if I called my pet bird Germany and I don't say that I named it after the country, does it then still mention the country? I don't think so because I never intended it to mention the country.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
(resetting indent) You are just beginning to make up crazy examples now to try to get the article the way you want it. If you name your pet bird Germany, there is really only one thing you can have named it after (the country Germany). Same thing essentially for Kenya. Kenya and Mount Kenya both have their names come from a specific language's name for the mountain, so in effect that is the same thing. However, the mountain is much less known than the country (in fact, I was not aware there was a Mount Kenya until reading this talk). Aside from those specific examples, there is absolutely nothing else of prominence named Kenya, and the country is much more prominent than a mountain that resides within the country Kenya. So yes, in all effect, Kenya in this case would be a reference to the country, and the only way to prove otherwise is to have the person that originally named the Spearow come out and say they named it after something else. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 20:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Continually reverting edits and adding previously removed information all fall under "trying to get your way". I've already said and you just keep ignoring it. '''The country would be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Kenya'''. Same with your Germany example, sure you didn't say that you named it after the country, '''but the country is the first thing that comes to mind'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon ==

Apparently it got released early in Japan (as 4chan is already reporting leaks/spoilers or something; among other sites doing this). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 17:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Admin edit request ==

Heyo, seeings as you're the most recent admin on the RC, could I ask you to please redirect [[Ash's father]] to [[Ash Ketchum#father]]? I made a request on the article's {{talk|talk page|Ash's father}} a while ago but it went unnoticed. Thanks '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:There is not "father" section. I think a redirect to the article itself will do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::There's a specific paragraph in Ash's article that talks about his father. I put HTML tags around that particular paragraph so that [[Ash's father]] is able to redirect directly to that paragraph. Not the best solution there is but it makes more sense than redirecting to the article has a whole.
::Buuuuut if you'd prefer it linked simply to [[Ash Ketchum]], then I'll remove the HTML tags. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 06:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Move protection on [[XY091]] ==

Does [[XY091|this]] need to be move protected as well? I see the other pages about the newly announced episodes of Pokémon XY are move protected. - [[User:PokémonGamer|PokémonGamer]] ([[User talk:PokémonGamer|talk]]) 07:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Sealed Ruin/s ==

Hello can you move [[Sealed Ruins]] to its correct name [[Sealed Ruin]], please, I can't do it myself for some reason. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 16:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:The reason is that [[Sealed Ruin]] has to be deleted first, just so you are aware. That is an admin. function. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
::I know I figured that out myself when I could not move it dispite the fact that I had blanked the page, which I thought would be enough, that is why I am asking ForceFire right now --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 21:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Something went horribly wrong there... --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... not sure how that happened... but it's fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a hundred :) --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 09:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The page history seems to be missing. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Heh, forgot 'bout that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::NOW it looks good. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

== I was able to translation for Ash and Greninga ==

Appearance of Gekkouga that ties with Satoshi is seen when increased to the limit . By two people of strong ties , features of Satoshi appears in the key point of the figure . Karos only once in several hundred years ago in rural areas , although it is said that phenomenon similar happened , all I remain shrouded in mystery . from its japanses --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 22:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
:This isn't needed (especially what appears to be a poorly-done Google Translate translation), since tPCI has an excerpt about this form on their own website with the other Zygarde information. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 22:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
oh so no good then --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 23:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

== Clemont Bunnelby personality ==

Shows truly helpful Pokemon as it life before meeting Clemont was stealing from people food to feed its friends. As it was also will defend his friends from others who try to hurt them or steal their food. As Bunnbly have lost that battle from his evolved form to protect its friends was willing to train hard from Clemont to defeat as it was showing great determination. Even winning that battle against its evolve form it shown to worry it as it was hurt as it was trying to make the evolve form as it friend but it's shows to get sadly when failing. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And it was also gotten sad when Clemont was leaving as it gain strong bond. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 05:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well i will think Ash Snivy knew that moved
I doubt Ash didnt teach Leaf Blade since Ash Snivy new Leaf Storm highest move in her level to know at her stage. So it will make sense she knew this.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:Levels don't exist in the anime, it was mentioned once way back when, but the concept of levels do not exist. Snivy already knew the move (had to rewatch the episode just to be sure), that was my bad as I don't really recall things from prior season, especially the early episodes. But still, just because it knew Leaf Storm, doesn't mean it has levels.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks so munch What about on top about Clemont Bunnelby--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

:::Sorry to intrude, but just to chime in on levels. If levels did exist, Pikachu would not have actually learned Volt Tackle on his own (only learned in the games when bred while the parent holds a Light Ball) and, from the level concept, should be Lv.100ish by now and able to destroy every opponent (which, obviously, he can't). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible he loose some of his stamina from traveling all the time never in his pokemon ball too rest like others.

Also what about Clemont Bunnelby i type
can someone tell me what they think --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:That's speculation. If you want to speculate on why Pikachu seems to "level down" after each series, go to the forums or create a blog in the forums. As for Bunnelby, I can barely understand it, I want you to improve on your writing (and I fully understand if English isn't you first language). I could add it, but I'd have to watch the episode (I haven't seen it yet; undubbed and all).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

The five limited-time Pokémon available from Hayley, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meowth_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2335498&oldid=2330420 this Meowth], should be listed as events because they were special events, even if they weren't directly obtained in the games or via Wifi but were tradeable to the games. Should they get a different layout instead, such as in-game events? I thought the latter is limited to things that are forever obtainable, though. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it should count as an event, it was available for a limited time, hell the Haley's Trade page has the Meowth under the Event Pokémon section. I think the current layout would do fine, I personally wouldn't count it as an in game trade as you have to go from one game (to get the Pokémon) to another (to trade it) so it isn't contained into one game, which in game trade (for me) implies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::The question though is that's only available in ''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]'' and you have to then trade it to D/P/Pl. This still qualifies under the event listing? I just want to be sure before doing the other four as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd think so. Even if you trade it from Ranch to DPPt, you still had to have gotten it from the event.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Thought I would jump in here since I just replied on my talk page too about this same discussion. But the "In events" section is typically reserved for events that were distributed directly to the main games and have Wonder Cards. So with them being available in a side game, they would be meeting the criteria for a "In-game event". '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::That was my concern, as well. They don't, I think, meet the criteria for an event with a Wonder Card. That said, they ARE events, without question; players had to "download" the event onto ''My Pokémon Ranch'', they couldn't just play and wait for it to appear. So the question is whether the criteria of having a Wonder Card limits where they go or whether this is a case where we ignore that. I thought it was an in-game event because it's in a side game, has to be acquired in a side game, and then transferred. It's like the [[List of game-based Pok%C3%A9mon distributions in Generation IV#Japanese Pokémon Battle Revolution Pikachu|Battle Revolution Pikachu]] or the Colosseum one from the [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Colosseum Pikachu|bonus disc]]; come to think of it, they are just as game-based as there, so maybe they should also appear on that page and not just on Hayley's trades. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::A quick addendum to this: most in-game events are permanently available. This also breaks the mould there by being a rare limited-time in-game event. So it has no Wonder Card (unless we just don't know and it actually does), thereby not meeting "events" criteria, and it is limited-time, thereby not meeting in-game criteria completely. Which rule are we going to break here? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::These events defiantly do not have Wonder Cards since they had to be traded for and I am pretty sure there aren't Wonder Cards in the game. However, in-game events being available for a limited time isn't unheard of since events like {{DL|List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Bank Celebi}} are considered in-game events. I would also like to point out that the Pokémon Ranger events in Generation IV were only available via special missions (which had to be downloaded during a specific period of time), so unless you got the mission while it was available you can't obtain the event anymore. And therefore the only way you would still be able to get those events is if you have a game with those missions downloaded on them. However, as for putting the My Pokémon Ranch special Pokémon on the game-based distribution page there is one problem with that. When we overhauled the events section a few years back, we only classified Generation IV game-based events with Wonder Cards as belonging on that page. I don't recall the exact reasons for that though (so when I get I chance I will have to check my logs with {{u|SnorlaxMonster}} to see if we ever elaborated on that). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Let's do one better: I'll ask him to chime in here now when he can. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}After a good sleep, I noticed that I misread "In game events" as "In game trades". I feel like we can still give this an exception, since you still could only get it for a limited time. SnorlaxMonster would probably be the better guy to ask about events though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

== The Underground and the Mystery Zone ==

{{u|SatoMew2}} has added a {{DL|The Underground|Mystery Zone}} section to [[The Underground]], believing that "Mystery Zone" is an intentional name for the area. I believe that "Mystery Zone" is, plain and simple, ''nothing'' but a dummy/placeholder name and is not really intended to be a name for the Underground. This appears because the game reads a 0 for [[List of locations by index number (Generation IV)|the location]], but it is too easy for 0 to just be an initial/default value (never actually meaningfully assigned), so that doesn't amount to good evidence. And of course, "Mystery Zone" is just, logically, not a likely alias for the Underground. SatoMew and I [[User talk:SatoMew2#Underground/Mystery Zone|have tried to discuss]] it, but it doesn't seem we'll agree, so I was hoping you (or someone on staff) could decide whether that section really belongs on the page. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
:If it being 0x0000 is not good evidence, then neither would be values other than 0x0000 since that's what happens with the location headers displayed by the game in the [[void]]. The Underground's location header is set to 0x0000 on purpose because there is no "Underground" header programmed.
:This sums up my POV.[[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
::Can you at least say if this is being considered, or has been?
::To put it very simply, I think the Underground should discuss the ''actual'' Underground (i.e., ''actuall''/real/intended gameplay), and if any relation between [[The Underground]] and the [[Mystery Zone]] really needs to be discussed, it belongs at [[Mystery Zone]] (where bugs and quirks are ''explicitly'' at issue). It's overall rare that any sort of glitch behavior is discussed in detail outside of a Project GlitchDex page, and I think that's as it should be, and something we should take to heart for the Underground as well. The Mystery Zone is not even a significant (easily encounterable, or else infamous) feature of the Underground, not like, say, [[Lumiose City]]'s save bug or perhaps glitches associated with [[Cinnabar Island]]—and ''both'' of those pages relegate mentions of the glitch(es) to Trivia anyway. No, at best, you need to work very ''deliberately'' to enter the Mystery Zone and find the Underground therein, and only then does any of the stuff currently in [[The Underground#Mystery Zone]] become relevant. Title card or no, IMO the "wealth" of Mystery Zone info that is currently being added to [[The Underground]] simply does not belong there. The title card info should IMO just be put in Trivia, and that should be ''all'' of the Mystery Zone that appears on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not too knowledgeable about the internal data stuff, but I think SatoMew2 has contradicted himself. "Even some actual yet unused maps use "Mystery Zone", I mean, sure the Underground was not unused but if the "Mystery Zone" was used for the dummied out stuff, then doesn't that mean "Mystery Zone" itself is just a dummy/placeholder? Because of that, I think it should not be in the underground article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I didn't contradict myself. "Mystery Zone" is seen in both used and unused locations, and there are unused locations that don't use it. These locations are intentionally set to use the header as opposed to falling back to it during gameplay.
::::The fact that we just stick everything into Trivia sections is another matter altogether ("it's OK because we have always done it like this" is not a good excuse). These bugs are not trivial and it doesn't matter if the player's actions to trigger them are deliberate or not. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the amount of effort you do or don't need to encounter a bug does very much matter. If it's very easy, then it deserves modest coverage; otherwise, however, it only deserves a small mention (in Trivia or wherever, I don't at this exact moment care), maybe a link to a Project GlitchDex page where it can be covered in detail, but a bug, ''unintended by definition'', does not (IMO) deserve extensive coverage among all the normal behavior of a thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::At this point, the best course of action is to let the higher-ups decide for themselves (like they always do anyway). I'm not going to back down from my stance but I honestly don't care much about it any longer. Do as you please. [[User talk:SatoMew2|サトミュウ (SatoMew)]] 19:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Seeing as there's been no further response... Are you sticking by your previous comment, then, ForceFire? I wanted to try to wait for something a bit more concrete, but if that's all we're gonna get, then I'll go ahead and remove the Mystery Zone section of [[The Underground]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::::This slipped my mind, apologies for that. I've spoken with Kogoro and she agrees that it is trivium at best.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash Greniniga ==

Ash-Greninja is the form that Greninja takes when the bond between it and Ash is raised to the limit. The strength of their bond changes Greninja's appearance, and it takes on the characteristic look of Ash's attire. This phenomenon is also said to have happened just once several hundred years ago in the Kalos region, but it remains shrouded in mystery."--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 18:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

did u read this forcefire--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 06:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:And? What about it? It's not going to get added until it appears in the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

nothing just letting u know --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:... I already know. You don't need to remind me. Please don't spam my talk page with pointless discussions. If you want to discuss something, GO TO THE FORUMS. I've told you far too many times that if you want to discuss something, go there. This is your final warning, continual spamming of ANY talk pages with attempts of casual discussions will result in a block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

Hey what is your problem. I was just making a new page on a Pokemon manga and you deleted it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Swonic}} ([[User talk:Swonic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Swonic|contribs]]) ''
:Fan comics are not notable for their own article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:08, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Conquest ==

I've picked it up again and wanna ask someone - any hope of [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/pokemon-conquest-templates-170706/ getting this project off the ground] at last? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 14:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:Thought this was already implemented in the articles? Either way, I'll give it a mention to the others. If it's any consolation, I like the template and think it's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. Unfortunately, no it was never implemented. I gave up after months of reaching out to staff members about it, but I have time on my hands to implement it now, and figured I'd give it another shot. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 15:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Have there been any updates on this? Also, sorry if I'm bugging you about it, I just don't want interest to die like it has before. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

In lieu of the move templates being discussed, I've restarted work on another Conquest template, viewable [[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2|here]]. Please let me know if there's any concerns about its coding, and/or who would be willing to help refine it if needed.

Is there anyone else whose attention I should be after for these templates? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

== "Comprised of" edit warring ==

As you have made comments on this issue in the past (and you are usually available around the time I am writing this) I figured I would bring to your attention that there is currently an edit war going on involving the use of "comprised of" on several pages. [[User_talk:Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] has so far made edits and subsequently reverted the edits [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] made to undo Ratchet's first edits. Here is a quick link to [[Special:Contributions/Ratchet_and_Clank_1995|Ratchet's contributions]] to see the affected pages in a single place. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Could you please block this user for vandalism [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snorlax_(Pokémon)&diff=prev&oldid=2341401] --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 11:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY092]] ==

Excuse me for seeing the page being protected but, could you remove debut for [[Olympia]], who will debut in [[XY091]], please? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 10:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[XY094]] ==

A few pokemon fans pointed out a couple months ago that new pokemon merchandise was being released featuring the cast of the anime. (You can simply google "Chespin Evolving Merchandise" to find a lot of the links, since I know Bulbapedia is a bit weird about directly posting the links.) Now, I posted an idea on another forum that casually talks about the anime, but apparently the idea is gaining momentum on some of the bigger pokemon forums. That Ash is going to catch the Quilladin in this episode. It might be worth to pre-emptively semi-protect this page. Not full on protection obviously as it's just a silly fan idea, but a semi-protect might be worth it because although there's no clear evidence (which would be cause for a full on protection), I would think there's enough that people would be drawn to eventually edit the page as they start seeing people talk about it. The merchandise alone seems to suggest a Quilladin WILL be a part of the team sometime soon and there's been nothing to suggest Clemont's will evolve.
Coupled with the fact that suddenly, there's this episode which takes place after the poster line-up, which happens to have said pokemon in it, and happens to be the correct type Ash needs to fill in his usual Water/Fire/Grass elemental wheel and of the correct stage to not be a direct copy of Clemont. This wouldn't be completely unheard of, as a user on said board who talks casually about the anime, Misty did have both Staryu and Starmie on her team at the same time, so although it'd be a first for two different people to have different evos of the same pokemon, it's not entirely unheard of. Obviously, up to you/other admins on if they want to wait to see if people start trying to add it, but I figure pre-emptive strikes might be worth it? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] ([[User talk:Myzou|talk]]) 02:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Whilst I think it's all just speculation and that Clemont's Chespin could still evolve (which is very unlikely), I'll just semi protect it as a just in case.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== We got ourselves a spambot ==

If you're still around, please block {{u|Treatthatanxiety}}. Ta. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 10:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

== Account creation summary ==

I think a staff member may need to check this account creation summary here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers ---
"00:28, 12 October 2015 User account [[User:Keagan Davis333|Keagan Davis333]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis333|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis333|contribs]]) was created by [[User:Keagan Davis|Keagan Davis]] ([[User talk:Keagan Davis|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keagan Davis|contribs]]) <s>(inappropriate language summary removed)</s>" - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 05:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

== Talonflame's Flame Body ==

"We haven't put on Sceptile's page that Treecko's ability was unconfirmed, and Dwebble's page doesn't suggest its ability could have changed after evolution despite never using Sturdy as a Crustle"

Perhaps I'm late to the party discussing this, but these examples above, I think, demonstrate why we needn't put this note on Talonflame's page. The only example of a Pokémon changing its ability in the anime is Paul's Electivire which as a species loses access to Static in favour of Motor Drive. I know that anime doesn't always go by the same rules as the games but we have consistently been shown Pokémon using the same abilities throughout all stages of there evolution. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:It's done on [[Ash's Leavanny]]. Sceptile is automatically invalid since at the time, it only had one ability. Fletchinder and Talonflame have two, the primary and hidden ability. The writers could decide to give Talonflame its hidden ability for whatever reason. Yes, that's speculation but it is also speculation when you assume Talonflame has the same ability as Fletchinder just because it also normally has Flame Body. Cilan's Crustle was simply overlooked, nothing more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Unacceptable username ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIGDICK http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BIG****]. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 11:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abitch This one too.] - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 22:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::I believe [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AileenFosdick55 this] would also be considered an unacceptable username. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 02:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst it's most likely a bot, it's also most likely just part of a surname. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's Egg ==

Since you are the one who blocked the page could you go in and add the information about Frogadier's egg being shown? Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
:Also could you add it to Frokie's species page since you blocked that as well. It may not seem like it but some people like to add information.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
::Patience, my friend. For I was away for a little bit. But if you ''really'' wanted the information to be added, you could've asked another admin. Just because I protected it, doesn't mean you can only ask me for edit requests.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

== XY092 ==

I wanted to do something for the Major Events but it's locked. Could you unlock it for a moment and don't worry I'll write it hidden and won't show it now because I know that episode won't air in Japan until next Thursday.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Fake arts (please delete them) ==

*{{redlink|‎File:Korrina XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Korrina-XY-1-469660976
*{{redlink|‎File:Viola XY anime 2.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Violeta-01-556551127
*{{redlink|File:Shauna XY.png}} -> http://adfpf1.deviantart.com/art/Xana-01-533415096
*{{redlink|File:Valerie XY anime.png}} -> http://gamer5444.deviantart.com/art/Valerie-XY-1-509273385
--[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can't delete them since I don't have the powers to delete them from the archives (I'm a junior admin there), I'll ask another admin.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Nicknames ==

So you're just not going to answer me? That's how we fix the problem?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
:Or I could've just forgotten? I'll bring it up with the others, and we'll discuss it. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Wondering ==

How come you didn't write back? If you didn't want to help, you could've told me to ask someone else.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:It can be added once the episode airs. Simple.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, easier said than done.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

== Olympia's Meowstic ==

Just like Rizzo(the poacher trying to steal Volcarona)'s two Jellicent (♀ and ♂) are indicated as Jellicent (×2), shouldn't Olympia's two Meowstic be indicated in the same manner.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be in one template since they're the same Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pangoro Slash ==

Seriously, why are you an admin and whoever gave you the power of the undo button must want this site to burn. It is easily seen as Slash in XY071. Why don't you tell me what else it could have been when Pangoro grew its claws, turned them white, and SLASHED the opponent. Well it must have been Water Gun huh, how stupid of us. Stop doing counter productive things.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Could've been Scratch. Or False Swipe. Or Cut. Or Fury Swipes. Yes, I know it can't learn Scratch or Fury Swipes, but the anime can make it use those moves because... just because. Anyways, we don't assume the moves of a Pokémon unless it is stated by one of the characters. Just because it looks like a move, doesn't mean it ''is'' the move. Hydro Pump and Water Gun basically share the same animation in the anime. So does Bubble and Bubblebeam. So does Bite and Crunch. So does Thunderbolt and ThunderShock. So does HeadButt and Tackle. So does Explosion and Self-destruct. So does Wrap, Bind, and Constrict. Bottom line, many moves share an animation so don't just assume a move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::Force Fire, I have to wonder weather you actually watch the anime? The suspected moves in question being Pangoro's Slash, Glaceon's Ice Shard, Flareon's Fire Spin, Vaporeon's Aqua Jet and Jolteon's Thunder; of these the only one that could be argued is perhaps Jolteon's Thunder, although I'd wager highly that Thunder was the move used. If the move is not named on screen how can we be sure what that move is? Well it turns out there is a precedent (an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances) for that.

::When the episode BW007 aired we saw Snivy use an unidentifiable grass type attack; the move used a new animation and there was no way of telling what the move used was, the same happed in XY003 when the Flethcling Ash was battling used an unidentifiable move with its wings. In both cases the moves were not documented at the time whatsoever, other moves like Vine Whip and Double Team were not named in the respective episodes but they were assumed to be those moves as the animations are conclusive. The former two moves were later revealed to be Leaf Storm and Razor Wind, as the two Pokémon continually appeared with the main cast, and they were documented on Bulbapedia as if they were known from the start. The problem here is that none of these Pokémon are on the main cast and its not certain we'll get confirmation in the same way that we did with Leaf Storm and Razor Wind. However, nearly half of the moves used in the anime and indeed the moves documented on Bulbapedia were unnamed and assumed.

::There are even moves used in the same episodes that were unnamed and yet assumed here. Further precedents take us back to "White—Victini and Zekrom" and "Black—Victini and Reshiram" where in the movie, Reshiram used a fire type move that was unnamed on screen. The head of the entire Anime project: Kenji- Girl was asked weather she thought the move was Flamethrower or Overheat, she decided it was Flamethrower and it is documented as such. Keji- Girl's example in this situation is to use our initiative and simply agree.

::Furthermore, in Tangrowth's debut episode, it used a move where its arm glowed purple and it struck the opponent, unnamed in the episode but nevertheless documented as Poison Jab for several years before one user recognised the moves animation more closely resembled Power Whip, a move that had not been shown again and named for almost a year after Tangowth's debut. The appropriate changes were made one the '''consensus''' had been made.

::In the case of Pangoro's attack, we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors, ruling out Scratch and Fury Swipes, Cut has been shown in the XY anime and the animation is distinguishable. The case you put forward for False Swipes is the only one with grounds however my rebottle is that we, historically, assume a move that sees a lot of use over a move rarely seen. The move matches Slash and we have no false swipes to compare it to.

::Glacoen's move, I can hardly believe is even subject to debate. The animation matches BW's Ice Shard. While was have not yet seen Ice Shard used and named in XY. We can surely assume the move is Ice Shard, same as we assumed that Golbat used Air Slash in XY052; the move was never named and it has not appeared at any other time in XY but we assumed it to be Air Slash as it shared the animation with the BW Air Slash.

::Flareon's very clearly used Fire Spin as the stream of dire instantly began to form circles. This is what we've always recognised as the distinguishing factor between Flamethrower and Fire Spin. This has been used many times when the move was neither specified Flamethrower of Fire spin. Both pages have many times listed where the move was not named on screen but the initiative of the users arrived at a decision. On a side note, assuming you have actually seen the clip of the move in question, do you doubt the move is Fire Spin?

::As with the case of Ice Shard, the animation of the move used by Vaporeon matches BW's depiction (and DP's, for that matter) of Aqua Jet. This move would be, however, an error and as I argued in Pangoro's case "''we have always assumed legitimate attacks before errors''". My aforementioned statement, while still having validity concerning Pangoro, has no bearing on Vaporeon and is in no way a contradiction. Anime move errors happen a lot, in the XY series we've seen a Fletchling use Feather Dance and a Slurpuff using Electro ball, two errors, however they were named. Nidoran♂'s Bite, Froslass's Slash, Dusknoir's Rapid Spin, Regigigas's Hammer Arm, Baltoy and Claydol's Shock Wave, Politoad's Jump Kick, Skunktank's X- Scissor, Uxie and Mespirit's Teleport, Chingling and Chimecho's Sing, Kricetune's Bullet Seed, Unown's Psychic and Tediursa's Pound are only half of the errors documented on bulbapedia that were not named onscreen. These are precedents that say the animation is conclusive. Your comment that "''the other[s] could be illegal moves as well''" is a nonsensical argument; you may as well argue that May caught another Venasaur rather than evolving it from Bulbasaur because it was never said to have evolved on screen. Or even that every time Ash's Pikachu has ever used Thunderbolt, it was a script error and the move was actually Thundershock. Your argument is pedantic.

::Thuder, Thundershock and Thunderbolt have always been similar animations if not the same. However, Thunder has always made a louder sound. To leave this particular move of Jolteon's undocumented would mean most of the times these three moves and discharge are documented will have to be removed. We must come to an agreement as we always have done.

::Finally, don't take my repeated use of the word "''assume''" as basis for a counter argument, as I'll reiterate that assumptions about moves have been made more than they actually have been confirmed. If you're sticking to the argument where unconfirmed moves should be left undocumented, you have a lot of editing to do because these are only the latest in thousands of instances of a move that has not been named. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No assumptions. That's the Bulbapedia rule with ANY content. This is an Ash's Charizard gender debate all over again. We require CONCRETE, undeniable proof of anything around here. Otherwise we're not being professional and accurate. And FYI, Force Fire said on the Forums that he does not watch the anime as actively. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}}Yes, I do watch the anime, at least the important episodes (captures, gym battles, evolutions). We can only use precedence if the move in questions has a unique animation (like {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Double Team}}, since they have unique animations). Slash shares its animation with other "claw" moves like {{m|Fury Swipes}} or {{m|Cut}}. Leaf Storm and Razor Wind didn't get documented because they could've been {{m|Razor Leaf}} or {{m|Air Cutter}}.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl/Archive_21#Flamethrower_or_Overheat This was the only conversation about Reshiram's] move that I could find, and she didn't even give an answer. Yet, you added it in anyway, so I believe that you ''think'' she gave an answer, but she didn't. As for Power Whip, both Poison Jab and Power Whip have a unique animation in the anime (at least, so far) so that was correct.

Back to the topic, just because we haven't seen a Pokémon use False Swipe doesn't mean that the animators won't make a Pokémon use False Swipe. They can do whatever they want, thus we won't know and we won't assume we know. As for the Eeveelutions, they were fantasized as being used on a Showcase, so it could've been stylized versions of Flamethrower (Flareon), Thunderbolt (Jolteon), Random Water move that isn't really clear on what it was (Vaporeon) and Icicle Spear (Glaceon), may seem like a stretch, but still... showcase fantasy.

As for the other assumed moves, those were from a time before we had the "don't assume" rule. Whether we'll go through them, I don't know. May's Venusaur had to evolve because it's known that she had a Bulbasaur. It's not like Paul's Weavile where we don't know if he caught it as a Sneasel. You Pikachu example doesn't hold water as it's always been called Thunderbolt in both the Japanese and the English dub. Thunder having a "louder" sound doesn't amount to anything.

Again the assumed move of the past were from before we had the "don't assume" rule. And whether we'll go through them is up in the air.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:In regards to Reshiram's Flamethrower, I remembered that incorrectly, so it should be disregarded. However my point about, May's Venasaur is that we assumed it had evolved from Bulbasaur, this was never stated (see Lenora's Herdier for a similar argument that went the other way on the whim of an admin) and Pikachu's Thunderbolt, I meant an error with the Japanese script (see Roxanne's Nosepass) but I'm obviously not arguing those things, they are just examples of pedantic arguments akin to your own. (Pedantic means "excessively concerned with rules and minor details to the point you become difficult) It would be like saying Brock's Onix didn't evolve into Steelix, Forrest could have lied and the Steelix Brock reunites with is just an actor hired to cover up the fact Onix is dead at the bottom of the ocean. We never actually saw that Onix evolve, now did we?

:This mythical "we don't assume" rule, only seems to have come into effect during XY071 and was lifted right up until XY089, though it still seemed to fluctuate relevance during the episode.

:I think you are arguing black is white. I think your just saying "I am an admin and I'm right no matter what", which you'll probably get away with here but that's not gonna do you much good in the real world. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 11:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::Original Japanese dub trumps all, that's why we don't count Herdier and Lillipup as one. Pokémon is a different case to the moves. We base the Pokémon on what we know, we know May had a Bulbasaur, so when it reappeared as a Venusaur under her command, we put two and two together. Moves are different, unless the move has a unique animation (like Double Team or Vine Whip), we cannot put two and two together because some (if not, a majority of) moves share the same animation.
::The "don't assume" rule is more like a common sense thing. If we don't know what something is, don't guess. Wait until it gets revealed or just leave it be. It's like the VAs, we don't guess or play by ear, we go to the VAs themselves and ask.
::Just so you are aware, I have spoken to Kogoro about the matter (I asked that we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique animation) and her response was "pretty much". I am not abusing my powers, I am just going by what I know from past experience, how we usually do things here and what my fellow admins and higher ups say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::As far as Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet go, we do know what they are, the only one to have a problem with this was the original user to revert the edits, if he hadn't said anything you'd have no doubt those moves were Fire Spin, Ice Shard and Aqua Jet. Slash is something we can deduce from this "common sense thing" you so patronisingly mentioned.

:::And it seems I remember the Herdier situation a bit better, i'm aware that Japanese dub trumps all. The original made no mention of Herdier having evolved from lillipup the same way it did not mention Venasaur (or indeed Drew and Nando's Roserade) but "two and two" weren't put together then. You can see why I think most admins here choose whichever rules they want to follow as and when they feel like it.

:::I'm sure you did a great job explaining to kongoro why you think your right.

:::Can I ask why Fire Spin and the others are being denied but Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind from the same episode are okay?

:::Be honest now, PlayerKing is only a regular user on here, but he holds some kind of seniority on the forums. That's the staff bias. Furthermore Pikablu is a fairly new user so it's easy to assume he's wrong, perhaps a trouble maker for arguing the case. Then comes along a long time user with a sound argument that you cannot really deny (the only points you've addressed were The Reshiram situation, which I remembered wrong though it still does not deter my case, and my hypotheticals about Venasaur and Pikachu which you either don't fully understand or your just looking for something to argue with) and you as the "senior admin" can't admit you may be wrong. These five moves are literally the only ones that aren't noted down because they haven't been named on screen, while every other time this happened the move was deduced through common sense [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 10:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
::::If the moves weren't fantasized about being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), then maybe. But since it was fantasized as being used in an event that involves showing off a Pokémon (i.e. Showcase), there's the ambiguity of whether it's a stylized version of another move (because again, showing off a Pokémon).
::::I've always assumed that we did what we did with Venusaur (and Roserade) because of common sense. We know they had a Bulbasaur and Roselia at one point, so when they reappeared in their evolved form, we put two and two together. Those were done before I was an admin I believe, so if you to ask why they were given the okay, go ask Kenji-Girl.
::::And that's literally all I said to Kogoro, I literally asked if we don't assume moves unless said move has a unique combination and she replied with "Pretty much". I didn't parade that I was right, I just asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward response.
::::As for Razor Leaf and Fairy Wind, they most likely just slipped by.
::::Just because Playerking was the one that started it, doesn't mean we are biased. He was just following the common sense rule of "no assuming". I've already gave reasons against your examples. We know May had a Bulbasaur, it reappears as a Venusaur, common sense. Pikachu's Thunderbolt has always been called out as Thunderbolt in both the original and the dub. As for all the other moves that were assumed and whether we remove them, take that up to the Editorial Board as that would be a major change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Psychic move ==

I have my doubts but didn't Olympia's Meowstic use Psychic in XY091[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== A Festival Farewell (?/!) ==

The English name of XY081is A Festival Trade! A Festival Farewell! as revealed in the title card. Shouldn't necessary changes be made on Bulbapedia? Also Bunnelby was hit by Shadow Ball in XY081, shouldn't that be included in the error section.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:The way the title was said implies that it was meant to be a question mark and that what was shown in the title card was an error. And it is not proven in the anime that Normal type are immune to Ghost types.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

Can I ask why you undid the edit on [[SS035]] for Mairin's Chespie? She nicknamed her Chespin, so why refer to it by its species' name instead of its nickname? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:When referring to the Pokémon as "Trainer's X", we use the species name not its nickname.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Still confused ==

I kind of understand the first part of your reply on XY081 title card. But is the proof, you are suggesting in second part, something like 'someone stating in the anime that Ghost type moves do no good on Normal-types?'[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 17:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:It is not proven in the anime that Ghost type moves have no effect on Normal type Pokémon. That's pretty simple to understand--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] ==

I have a couple questions/concerns regarding [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Snap&diff=prev&oldid=2349590 a recent edit] to the [[Staff of Pokémon Snap]] page. First and foremost: {{u|Technickal}} added "Tara Jayne as Bulbasaur (uncredited)", and I know Technickal has had issues with sourcing before, so perhaps someone had better double check that this addition actually measures up to Bulbapedia's standards? (On the other hand, it also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s looks like] Rachael Lillis and "Madeleine"/Maddie Blaustein aren't in the actual (English?) end credits either, so...I guess either those also don't belong or they're all OK? Or maybe those were confirmed adequately somewhere?)

Of lesser concern, I'm also kind of wondering if the addition of "as Professor Oak" and "as Todd Snap" and all that is okay? Basically, I'm half under the impression it's supposed to be like a duplicate of the end credits, so maybe that's not quite appropriate. Or maybe it's not appropriate for some other reason, I don't know. (This one also applies to the [[Staff of Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]] page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's just playing by ear. I've reverted the edits. As for the "As X", I'm not sure as well as I don't recall there being a page with the credits formatted like that (it's uusally done in a table, as you know), I've reverted it for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
::So, the Rachael Lillis and Maddie Blaustein credits [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJtEjrNmTR4&t=1m25s are OK]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, he didn't add them... removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Confirmation Please ==

Hello! I think Serena's Eevee's gender might have been confirmed in context like Fennekin (read [[Talk:Serena's Eevee|this]] second section). I'm asking just to be sure this counts. Don't know about Chespin and the other two though. --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other admins, just waiting on a response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Charon assumptions ==

I'm not sure if you've maybe missed or forgotten about the comment (/wall of text) I added at [[Talk:Charon#Assumptions?]], but in case you have, it kind of requires a response... Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, right. Forgot about that conversation. I'll respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Ash' Frogadier ==
Why did you deleted the Trivia I put on Ash' Frogadier's Bulbapedia page, without an explanation. If you have watched the trailer, you can obviously see it isn't fanmade, and it is Ash commanding a Greninja, also obviously his. If you don't come up with a good reason why it isn't allowed to be on the trivia sector, I will put it back in. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]]
:It's not really trivia since it's already known its going to evolve. That and we don't add things about its evolution until it evolves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:: That's clear, thanks for the explanation. Is it something to say that it has such a strong bond that it becomes a different kind of Greninja, of course as soon as it has evolved. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] 12:16 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That could get added once it changes into that form.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Possible spambots ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]'''[[Special:Contribs/PokémonGamer|*]] 17:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:As long as they do nothing, it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Template:DungeonTrap ==

Hello may I mainspace [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap|these]] [[User:Raltseye/Template:DungeonTrap/h|templates]] and apply use on all the needed pages? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 08:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Serena's Eevee ==

Thanks! Because I was proving a point but one of the users said that Eevee was voiced both ways in English but I know Eevee was voiced in Japan and English so I tried to put it back how it was. I forgot to remove Rogers's actor by the way.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 04:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== M18 Dub NDA ==

In an e-mail, I asked one of the voice actors listed in the dub credits of M18 who they voiced. They said they couldn't tell me until the movie got aired in the U.S., so there is an apparent non-disclosure agreement. Since we won't be able to reliably determine the voice actors until then, should we remove the "Missinginfo" templates until it airs in the U.S.? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 20:03, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. The template is there to notify users that we don't know who the VAs are. You can just simply ask again now that the movie's out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Future Event? ==

Now that Zygarde's other formes have already appeared in the anime, shouldn't the 'Future Event' tag be removed from its page?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 06:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:We still know next to nothing about them. The other two formes haven't appeared in the anime. Be don't know their types, stats, move sets, importance etc.. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

== Help Please ==

Trying to log on to the new forums but everytime I try to reset my password, it is too weak, even with 10 letters {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:That just means the password you want to use is legitimately weak, you just have to make the password stronger. Also, see this: [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/on-passwords.213172/].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde page ==

Excuse me. Would you mind if you unlock the Zygarde page? I just made a disambiguation page of it and a really want to post it on the page. -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 07:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
:Go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== String Shot ==

Look at Playerking95's recent edit reverting me on this page; {{m|String Shot}}. The case put forth is, don't assume the move was String Shot. In case you haven't seen the recent episode, Ariados took captive a prisoner by entangling him in its thread. Playerking says the move may not be String Shot because Ariados can produce thread regardless. This would be fine, if all the other times Ariados spat thread (and it wasn't named) it wasn't documented as String Shot, however it was. In fact Ariados has used what was documented as String Shot yet not named twice in the XY series, the former being only two episodes before the one Playerking fought so counter productively to remove the documentation of Pangoro's Slash, (Which I think is further evidence of how volatile this 'no assuming' crusade quite is) It feels like Playerking95 is targeting me now, with no regard for Bulbipedia's precedence or conventions, his only purpose to oppose myself. As the admin who may be responsible for enabling this kind of behaviour, I thought I'd raise the issue with yourself. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:This I agree with, since it did use String Shot to ''attack'' (ie. trap) its opponent and String Shot has a unique animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Stages in Pokémon Picross ==

Any chance [[User:CycloneGU/Pokémon Picross Stages|Pokémon Picross Stages]] can be speedily approved for mainspace on the basis of Shuffle stage data being split already? Already completed up to Area 07, and we're working through it to fill in the data. Further, with over 300 puzzles (304 to be exact) just for Pokémon, it's just as large as Shuffle right now in terms of game size; the userspace page right now is already over 60,000 bytes while the main article is only 16,000, so it makes sense to update the stage data separately from the main page and leave the main page for other game details (skills can stay there this time around, only 12 in the game). I see no harm in providing a "more information" link and using the "stages": section to detail the various modes of play (standard play, Alt Mode, Mega Pencil, etc.).

Also have [[User:CycloneGU/List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross|this]] on the go, and the data on that also needs filling in. Short of a Pastebin file from somewhere giving up the details (like Shuffle), we have to do this the long and hard way, but at least we have an accurate Pokémon list to work with. That list follows the precedent of making a list of Pokémon for every Pokémon game. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply, I was busy yesterday. Abcboy has brought it up with the staff, and we're discussing it at the moment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Alrighty. I'm doing an edit at the stages page right now, so if it's getting a move, let me know and I'll move it when done. If I don't hear otherwise, I'll save my edit and be done for now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That edit is done, so I'll stay back for a while. =) 11 areas completed in full now. Also, if you want to see the data that will be added for Areas 16-30, I can link; it's on the same Google Sheet as my trade shop and will eventually be deleted or hidden once I'm done with everything there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::That pages are good to go, though the "stages" page may need to be condensed. Right now, it just looks like a cluttered mess, but that can be edited along the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Not sure what you mean by it being a cluttered mess? I'm trying to fit in as much information as possible, but if you think something can be removed, I'm all ears. I already moved a couple of things off of the page to the Pokémon list page, but I don't know what else I can move without leaving data incomplete. Unless we can merge columns somewhere? I don't see a good way to do it; the only possibility is merging energy and stage size into one column unless there's something else you have in mind. But yeah, we can discuss that later.

:::::I'll reorg the list back to NDex order for the species list and add more stage data, then I'll move it into place. I have all except a few stages and I want to figure out those last ones before I make it live since I'm extremely close. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::One more quick question. Unless I'm beaten to doing it (and that's fine!), I'm going to eventually add the sidegames entries for Pokémon Picross for the relevant Pokémon, noting for those with Mega forms both stages (48 have Mega forms, so only 256 pages to actually edit). I know the entries for [[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]] (for which all 720 will eventually get one) must precede it being released a mere two weeks earlier, and even earlier in Japan, but what background template should I use with the Picross entries? I can edit that down and prep 256 entries with it and go on an editing binge to add them one at a time, and any pages missing the Super Mystery Dungeon entry I can leave a commented out version for. For now, I'm going to finish the species list and get it into mainspace by tomorrow, but that's on my mind for afterwards; another editor is helping add the mission data, and I'll be doing an Alt World page soon as well (again prepping in userspace). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The individual Picross info for all Pokémon (which I assume is what you mean), would probably be implemented into the already existing side games template. You can make a mock template to suggest how it would look like on the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I was presuming it would just be a single line like all the others. The question was more what colour to use. Since [[Pokémon Picross]] uses the "yellow" scheme, that's what I would use in the sidegames template to add a line for it (and yes, I figured the existing sidegames template; I added lines for four other games in there, after all, so more than familiar with them). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::The color scheme would probably have to be decided upon among the staff, just use whatever color the game uses (in this case, yellow) for the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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I can do that, then. However, I would suggest, as Picross is a puzzle game (like Shuffle), that it should be the Beauty colour scheme. That's just my opinion, and it will likely be a little bit before I get to updating them, so if a decision is made on that prior to my using the yellow, please let me know. I don't really mind whatever is used on the sidegames layouts as each line just follows the page. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:All right, both pages are mainspaced. I already accounted for the stage list at the main article and added some info on other things related to gameplay, most notably the Mega Pencil and the possible rewards earned by using it on puzzles (and then those Megas on other missions), giving an eventual theoretical cost to the Pencil in actual Picrites that are not earned back. I plan to expand the main article with a medals list, but I checked with my data ripper who notes the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/183130-pokemon-picross/cheats GameFAQs version], while correct, doesn't account for "further challenge" medals (I am guessing they are unlocked upon game completion) and is also referred to by my ripper helper as "a partial version of Serebii" with some of the descriptions being "made up, not data ripped". I will follow up on this and see if I can get the proper data-ripped list for the article as this would be ideal to include.

:Meanwhile, for the list, can you edit it appropriately into the [[Template:Pokelist]] and onto the associated page? I'll let you determine the best placement on both, though I'd suggest side games (like Shuffle). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::Abcboy has added that to the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Form ==

Would the form change be added on its page or do we have to wait for another episode where it occurs, and will it be added as how Mega Evolutions are added like ' ↔ '[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:26, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:<s>It will be added when it occurs, just be patient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</s>
:Wait, it already happened. Why are you asking if it already has occurred? just add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Let me throw out the fact that it's Stage S03-06 in Pokémon Picross. Even if it had not occurred in the anime yet, it's a thing. It needs to be added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

I have been in touch with Theresa who is happy to provide me a list of voice actors for episodes if I request, just hope that info can be put to good use here --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can screencap the email and send it to me or any of the staff (since I know she is very strict about sharing emails since they contain her email address).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Will a link do like this http://postimg.org/image/ejsfx9hjh/?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:You've hidden her email, while I get your intentions, hiding her email isn't really going to make me believe that the email is legitimate. I also expected to get this via email (I don't mind emails about VA confirmations). --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Forum Account ==

What's your member name on bulbaforum, I can send you a screenshot, might be easier--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's the same username.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Can't see to find you--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==

Can't seem to PM you on bulbaforum but is a link like this featuring the voice actors acceptable
http://postimg.org/image/qn36w7ial/--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

== "Salty" ==

I'm extremely bewildered by your statements that I'm... removing the trivia point on Elgyem and Beheeyem due to a personal bias and that I'm "salty?"
No.
I removed it for the following reasons, which were not at all ambiguous in the edit summaries:
The trivia point originally speculated that it '''may have''' been a reference to Area 51. This was deemed speculative. I understand why that is, and I have not once added the speculation back. Still, '''how is outright saying it was "probably" an error any less speculative than saying it was "possibly" deliberate?''' No, I assure you I'm not asking for the other speculation to be added back - you might notice that, again, '''neither''' of my edits did so.
Rather, I removed the speculation, so it was more neutral. This was reverted because it wasn't notable without speculation.
Speculation isn't allowed.
So if there couldn't be speculation, but the trivia point was unnotable - according to '''someone else''' - then how am I emotionally biased or "salty" in removing it completely? I thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do to speculation and to unnotable trivia.
Next time, give a '''reason''' if you're going to revert someone's edit - I was under the impression edit warring wasn't allowed, and calling me "salty" is just ad hominem that doesn't contribute to Bulbapedia at all. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:29, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Just a case of mistaken identity, that's all. There have been many users that have added that speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Changing Start to 1 ==

Let us distribute the work, i will be completing with Gen 4, and if i get time, i will complete Gen 5 and 6, if some one can help us, we can re distribute [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== Learnsets lv.1 ==
Sorry, can you help me? I began editing several learnlists of pokémon from '''start''' to '''1''', but now I'm not sure if it's al right that I'm doing that. Is it OK? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:It's fine, and I've sent you a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::Don't you have to delete all the describtions of '''start''' at the bottom of the learnsets too? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I guess that would be the template that needs to be changed [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::That will get removed once they've all been changed. Also, Lokki are you doing Gen III now?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I began with gen.I, but thought gen.III would be better since nobody's doing it... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And Spririteit too, i think, because many of ''...(Pokémon)/Generation ... learnset''s of gen. III pokémon are already done by him.{{unsigned|Lokki}}
::::::::Yeah, he done all of the generation learnsets. Now he's doing the main pages in alphabetical order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Is everything done then, or not? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 19:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::There are probably still the moves left, but I'm not too sure. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:(reset indent) If you are talking about the move pages I think those have all been taken care of too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: <del>There are still some pokemon movesets left, to be done by me, had lots of submission so i was busy, will proceed now [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)</del> Done by Spriteit, so i guess everything is complete [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 08:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== Templates ==
I'm making a wikia, but I can't find out how to make templates like Bulbapedia has. Do you know how to add a Template to a Wikia?
Also, I found out how to add an image to a template, so I added Nate's 3 Pokémon and Hugh's Samurott of the trailer to the page. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 20:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:I believe wikia has their own how to guide on making templates. Either that, or make them from scratch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:: To start of, I wish you a happy 2016. Coming back to this question, I have been busy on my Wikia, and I added a lot of templates, but I can't find the Moveset template. Now is my question, where stores Bulbapedia her templates? Maybe it is in there, and works the code on Wikia as well. [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 19:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
:::While I'm not sure how you're going to present the template, but using Bulbapedia's template code by code is not allowed as it is stealing. If you were to change it up and make it completely different to what we have, that's fine. The templates can be found in [[:Category:Templates]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

== User:Kurtbusch ==
Is a celebrity impersonator account(A Nascar Driver). Please tell them to change their name. Thanks.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 08:41, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

== On which talk page did I break a rule? Can you provide a link? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

==Cast==

Would it be possible for each episode page to be given a cast list like what M18 has?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

== Manectric Scratch ==

Celosia's Manectric used Scratch in XY101, which is an anime move error. Then why was the edit regarding this move error, made on Manectric's page, reverted. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 13:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I initially thought we don't add anime move errors on Pokémon pages because, well, they're errors. But I see from Pinsir and Raticate's pages that we do in fact have move errors on them. I've added them back.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 4chan ==

Why are you even bringing up that place? Do you assume that any supposedly 'rude' person is from or influenced by that place? Did they troll you some time ago or something? [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Seeing as you removed the trivia because "people are laughing at it", then yes, you are influenced by some outside source (not necessarily 4chan, but that is usually where all the Bulbapedia trolling comes from).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's just insane paranoia. No wonder it's impossible to improve this wiki as any criticism is labeled as 'trolling'. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Saying that we should be ashamed for having useless trivia isn't really criticism, let alone constructive criticism.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Reverting out of spite? ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire&type=revision&diff=2373411&oldid=2373408 Really?] No one objected about this removal '''since August'''. It's not notable at all, and you literally reverted it back just because it was me who removed it months ago, despite everyone being fine with it back then. But at least I now know who's responsible for the trivia sections being so low quality. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 14:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:I reverted it because it's basically the same trivia as on Gen VI's page and was removed with the same reason of "people are laughing at this".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirming that your revert had everything to do with your hostility against me. Also, nice job on comletely ignoring my point on how my removal was uncontroversial for 5 months before you started your paranoid hunt for "4chan trolls". [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 09:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Just so you are aware, I'm not saying that you are a troll, just that your edits were influenced by trolls. You removed the trivia because people (trolls) were laughing at us, not that you yourself think that the trivia was not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm tired of being insulted by a paranoid junior admin. Your attempts to smear my criticism as the work of trolls is nauseating. From now on I'll be talking only with your superiors regarding edits to the trivia sections. I no longer intend to talk with you without you apologizing first. [[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] ([[User talk:Tempest370|talk]]) 10:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Hyperspace Fury ==

I have a picture of Hoopa using Hyperspace Fury in the anime from the eighteenth movie. Is there any way by which this can be sent to you (your Bulbagarden forums page, for example) so that you or someone else can add it on the move's page, since, apparently, I cannot upload pictures by myself on Bulbagarden Archives. ...
Or, by any chance, is it possible for me to put it on this talk page?
Also would like to inform that the pictures shall have a Teletoon tag (to call it) at the bottom right corner, so are such pictures allowed on Bulbapedia?[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:Do you have an account on the forums? You link your Bulbapedia account to the archive which will automatically create a new accounbt under the same name on the archive (or so I think, don't remember).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::While I do have an account on the forums, I do not think that creating an account on the Archives will be of any consequence as I am not allowed to upload pictures on the Archives(I am not eligible enough).[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 18:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Gah! I meant archives, not forums. So you do have an account on the archive but is not autoconfirmed, is that right? The autoconfirmation requirements is the same for the wiki, be a user for a period of time and make a certain amount of edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Well, I understand the auto confirmation thing. But this still does not help with the Hyperspace Fury images being on the designed page on Bulbapedia, as I still would not be able to upload the images till I edit a few pictures on the Archives, I hope you understand.[[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 12:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest make some edits... but then again, it's the archives. As for the image, if there's a logo on it then we can't use it. Not sure why, but pretty sure it's a copyright thing. If you can, edit out the logo or send the image to someone that can edit out the logo (I don't trust my photoshop skills).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

== I have a few questions about formatting... ==

How do I make the text wrap whenever I want?
How do I make pages display sprites?
How do I not link to disambiguation pages?
How do I add stuff to my user page like "This user identifies as genderless" and "This user's favorite type is ???"?
[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Have you read the manual of style? It should explain how to do those things. As for the user tags, just type the name of the user tag in curled brackets like so: <nowiki>{{User Male}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
::How do I make the tags say whatever I want, use whatever sprites I want, and link wherever I want?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:::The some of the tags should tell you how to format them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:49, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Couldn't you at least teach me how to choose tag's color and its image/sprite?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Like I said, go to each tag template page and there should be an instruction on how to use them. Like in [[Template:User Country]] that has an instruction on how to use it. If you want to use [[Template:User Favorite]], just type out <nowiki>{{User Favorite|001|Bulbasaur|Grass|Poison}}</nowiki>.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::Can I get a list of templates? Can I do a tag without a template?[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You can find the user tag you want in [[:Category:User tags]]. A template is necessary for a user tag, that's how it looks the way it does.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:45, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

== Question==

I was checking out your manga trivia policy and one thing I would like to see if it is notable is that in Viz's last two releases of the Black and White volumes a number of titles are different from the previous mini-volume releases and I handled it by putting the main volumes titles as the primary title and added mini-volume titles as trivia. What do you think on this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 04:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Manga isn't really my area, trying asking {{u|Zesty Cactus}} who added the manga information into the policy page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

== Noticed a glitch in the ΩRαS Pokédex ==

I was filling out the Pokédex in ΩRαS when I noticed something odd in both OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire. You know how in the upper screen of the Pokédex, it shows all of the Pokémon's sprite icons? For some reason, if you have Salamence set as Mega Salamence, the sprite still shows regular Salamence instead of its Mega form. This is odd since all other Mega Pokémon, if set up as such, appear as their Mega evolutions, not as their original forms. How should I write this bug? Do I post this error as trivia in the Pokédex page, or do I make an Error section and post it there, or should I put this on Salamence's page? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 05:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:I'd say it goes to Salamence's page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:48, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

==Jonathan Todd Ross==

Just wondering if it was possible to create an actor page for Jonathan Todd Ross. There is quite a bit of info available for him I have found--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project_VA|Please read the notability requirements here]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:Fair enough, might take a while if he continues--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hoopa's Pokémon(?) ==

I wonder that a description of appearance of various Pokémon summoned by Hoopa (both formes) would be appreciable. What do you think? [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 19:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:It should just get mentioned, no need for a description.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Can I change my username after I create my account? ==

[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
:You have to ask Kogoro, since only EB and above can change usernames. Secondly, don't use the header of talk discussions as the main comment, use the edit box- that's its purpose. The main header should be just a short title about what the discussion is.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. Your answers are very helpful.[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== Bunnelby's Page ==

Thanks for sorting the situation out, ForceFire. I did tell one of the users that Bunnelby wasn't confirmed to be male yet, but still disagreed on it.--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 16:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== Question about Bulbapedia history... ==

What's the meaning of "This user helped upgrade Bulbapedia to Platinum standard."? If it doesn't have significant meaning, why is it a user tag? --[[User:Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's for those that helped update the wiki when {{v|Platinum}} was released. It was a big deal at the time since it was the first "mass project", if you will.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia requirements ==

What are the requirements for something to be 'notable' enough to be added to the trivia section on an anime episode article? [[User:Pikmin6000|Pikmin6000]] ([[User talk:Pikmin6000|talk]]) 06:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[User:Force_Fire/Trivia_Policy/Episode|See here]]. It's not final or official, though whole trivia policy is currently being discussed, so there might be some changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

== Blue's Rhyperior ==

Is the page [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Blue's Rhyperior]] good enough to be put into the mainspace? I finished updating the information that was missing and it is an important Pokémon that Blue has owned.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 04:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's best to bring this to someone that knows the manga, like {{u|Zesty Cactus}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::I will. Thanks.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 05:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hoenn's Moss and Ice Rocks ==

While editing the pages for the [[Moss Rock|Moss]] and [[Ice Rock]]s, I noticed that Hoenn's entries are located after those from Kalos. I know it's because Hoenn's Moss and Ice Rocks debuted after Kalos's, but shouldn't Hoenn's entries be before Sinnoh's since the Hoenn region was the first of the listed regions to debut in the series? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:08, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:It goes by game order in Hoenn's case since it didn't exist in Gen III.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks for clarifying. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:37, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

==The Fundamentalist==
We need to do something about Jdogno4‎. Based on his comments in the "recent changes", he's a fundamentalist, and he's been editing articles with the word "god", and trying to insure an article that should be deleted is kept. I've reverted some of his edits, but he just reverts them himself. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 12:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:I've already given him a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:54, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 12:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Excuse me, why do you refer to me as a fundamentalist? How have I acted that is consistent with the definition of a fundamentalist?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Can I have an answer to my above question? Please?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 00:22, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

== Image Uploading ==

Hi, just a question. Are we allowed to upload images from other sites? I want to upload the trophies for Fennekin and Chespin, but the images I found on google are from the ssbwiki. There's also a nice screenshot image of Chespin in the game: [[link|http://img06.deviantart.net/998a/i/2015/116/3/9/ssb_for_wii_u___60___marisson___chespin_by_anthyno-d8r4nuw.jpg]] , but it's on deviantart (oddly). Does it matter if I upload them?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 20:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:I hit the save page button by mistake, could that little edit go by?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 20:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::No, you can't take images from other sites, it's stealing. Try and get the images yourself (that's, if you have the game).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately I do not have the game which is why I searched instead. Ah well, thanks anyway.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 05:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

==Justin Anselmi==

Just thought I'd let you know, received an email from Theresa Buchheister with cast lists and confirms that Justin Anselmi voices Researcher, Male trainers, Scizor, Venusaur Mega Evolution Special 4 if it helps him to get a page

Am Happy to email you with screencap if needed {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:If you have the email, then email me the screencap.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
:Sent you the list as requested--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, good. You may add them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

== By this site's own logic... ==
If Misha's TG Purrloin proves that Pokémon can act against their biological gender, and therefore non-binary Pokémon exist, then aren't Attract, Cute Charm and Captivate insufficient evidence for male or female Pokémon in the anime because a gay or lesbian Pokémon could attract a gay or lesbian Pokémon, therefore rendering those moves meaningless as evidence? So should all anime genders that are based Attract and Cute Charm be removed unless their biological gender was stated outright by a human who wasn't assuming based on Attract/Cute charm? --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:Attract and Cute Charm only affect opposite genders.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::But that means that gay and lesbian Pokémon can't use those successfully in the anime, which would be incredibly hoophobic...but does Misha's Purrloin, the only evidence of LGBTQA Pokémon, prove there are more of such? Or was that behavior just a deception of cis-gendered Pokémon a plot device of that isn't reflective of it's sexuality? Is it proof that Pokémon act in non-binary genders, or do Pokémon's cis-gender behaviors encompass a more diverse range of stereotypes associated with multifaceted shades of masculine and feminine stereotypes than needing to be attributed to a LGBTQA identity? If we need to continue this on the forums, just say so... --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 04:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::What... are you on about? The Purrloin was being deceptive. That's not any indication of its sexuality. It doesn't prove anything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
::So if that Purrloin acting feminine/pretending to be female means nothing about sexuality, does that disprove the theory that Charixard could be female even though Pokémon acting against their binary gender has nothing to do with sexuality? Charizard is in love with a biological female of its species, and if, according to the anime rule that since Attract cannot act between gay or lesbian Pokémon, therefore gay Pokémon do not exist in that universe if the psychosexual properties established for Infatuation by that world's science(pseudo as it is) doesn't allow for such, therefore all Pokémon are cis, and therefore all Pokémon with confirmed genders who have crushed on other Pokémon are cis, therefore all confirmed females are crushing on males and vice versa, meaning that Pokémon like Charizard and Pancham are male. That is my question...since Misha's Purrloin supposedly is why Charizard might be female, but since you just admitted that infatuation is cis in the anime's universe, how is Charizard a lesbian if Charla is a confirmed female, and not a Misha's Purrloin case in a universe whose own science doesn't let infatuation work according to sexuality, but to binary genders? How does Misha's Purrloin disprove Charizard being male if Purrloin isn't actively TG, proving that LGBTQA Pokémon exist, therefore making Charizard a potential lesbian? The whole Charizard gender debate hinges on Misha's Purrloin being TG in order to prove that LGBTQA Pokémon exist, and that supposedly made it so Charizard is undetermined to be male because it could be pulling a Misha's Purrloin in order to have a relationship with Charla, since, according to the Misha's Purrloin principle, Charizard might be a lesbian pretending to be a man in order to have a relationship with "her" crush. Is Misha's Purrloin sufficient evidence of LGBTQA Pokémon to throw all gender debates of the CHarizard-Pancham type(in addition to gendered actions, speech patterns and other things of that sort)into chaos because of the possibility of LGBTQA relationships among Pokémon, despite gay/lesbian and TG infatuation being impossible according to the anime's own logic?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::[[Ash's Charizard]]'s [[gender]] is not confirmed. Trying to make a long-winded roundabout comment isn't going to change that. Drop it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

== Problem with my signature ==

I changed my signature, but now it doesn't link to my userpage anymore. How do I fix it?--sumwun 00:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:Firstly, you use the lowercase template thing on '''your own userpage or talk page'''. Putting it on other user's pages makes their names in lowercase.
:Secondly, go to you preferences and in the signature box just type in <nowiki>[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]])</nowiki>--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks.[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:04, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

== Puni-chan/Squishy ==

The Puni-chan page was moved to Squishy too early as the episode of its second appearance won't air until February (Puni-chan's first appearance didn't reveal the dub name) and users weren't supposed to use the official site as a source for a character's dub name until the episode already aired. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 17:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:It appears that Glik and PokémonGamer both took care of it, unless you were aware of the whole thing. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:17, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::While I got your message, it was at around midnight my time and I was too tired to reply. But yeah, looks like it's been taken care of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Latest response ==
"A god is a deity. A king is a royal. Just like a goddess is a deity and a queen is a royal. Deity and Royal are gender neutral terms.": That is what I have been saying this whole time. No rudeness meant but is there a point in telling me this?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 05:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:That there is no issue with using gender neutral terms.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

== Castform's Forecast ==

On Forecast page, while it is written that this is a form that Castform assumes upon raining, a Snowy Form Castform is shown above the text. Is it a mistake or is it intentional, as in ''this is'' Castform's Rainy Form in the anime. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 18:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:Never mind, as the doubt has been cleared. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 21:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

== Can't save my page, CAPTCHA ==

Hey again! :)

I was adding a trivia fact on a page and when I tried to save, they told me that I couldn't link outside of Bulbapedia if I didn't "enter the two words that appears in the box below".

Problem is, I don't see the said box. That happened to me when I was creating my account too, I managed to change my screen's resolution and get it right, but this time it just doesn't. Any help is appreciated. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:Try bringing this up with {{u|Kogoro}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== What am I not supposed to discuss on the talk page? ==

On http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball, I noticed that several entries said "Items Pocket" when they were supposed to say " Poke Balls Pocket". I asked why it was, and you told me to discuss it on the forums. Why am I not allowed to fix it or ask why it isn't being fixed?[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:I misread the title as "Why is it that the balls" rather than "WHy does it say that the balls", the former sounding like something that belong on the forums. As for the discrepancy, I'm not too sure.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Leech Seed vs Seed Bomb ==

If you watch XY081 where Gourgiest's Lech Seed failed, you'll see that the small pellets all broke but whenever we see seed bomb collided with another attack, they explode. This is why I wrote on the Seed Bomb page that the Breloom in yesterday's episode had used it. Of course as soon as I make an edit that can be disputed in any possible way Playerking comes along and reverts it. I've said before that this user is targeting me, but you've done nothing. There have been other times where the identity of a move has not been confirmed either Leech Seed or Seed Bomb, and they are actually less distinguishable then this time, but PlayerKing has left them alone. I really don't like that every edit I make has a good chance of being scrutinised by this guy. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's Noibat ==

To avoid possible edit warring, can I get you to confirm Noibat's gender in XY103? Ash and even Meowth referred to Noibat as male around 11 minutes in when Hawlucha stopped Pikachu from interfering with Noibat's fight with Breloom. I don't see why whoever thought this situation was like Charizard's at all.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 05:16, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:Could you please provide a link to a clip that isn't fansubbed? It would be appreciated and would strengthen you case:Otherwise, it wasn't stated. If there is no infatuation status with one Pokémon having a confirmed gender or no non-Japanese gendered prefix or suffix statement of such, then there is no conformation. I learned the hard way:DON'T assume genders. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:27, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
::What was said? I don't really trust fansubs because they can be wrong or subjective.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:::It's still too early for any subs to be out, just so you know. I added the info in the same day as the episode was released on a site I watch it on.

All you have to do is just go and ''watch'' the Japanese episode around 11 minutes where Hawlucha stops Pikachu in like I said.

If you did, then you'd hear Ash calling the battle between Noibat and Breloom a "man to man fight" (otoko o otoko tatakai da). After Noibat got up, Ash also said something like "Sore de koso otoko da!", which I think it "That's how a man is!" or whatever.

"Otoko" translates to "man" basically, so by Ash calling Noibat's battle with Breloom with a masculine word like "otoko", it confirms Noibat (and Breloom I guess)'s gender. Meowth even calls him a man too. Even though I've even brought it up on the talk page before I put the info up, you assumed that I randomly put it up without proof. (I wrote this before you replied Force Fire)-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 06:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't have any way of watching the episode before it gets subbed nor do I actually know Japanese (I know a few words, but that's it really). As for the dialogue, I'll look into it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

::Sorry to get here out of nowhere (I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk on others users page without starting the subject, but still). Is there any official link for a Japanese subbed version of ALL the Pokémon anime? I would like to watch it, and if I ever find forgotten pieces of evidence I would like my source to be as official as possible. Thank you ! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 06:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Okay, I've just had another staff confirm it, I'll add back the gender info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Username usurpation ==

Is it possible to usurp usernames here – for example, one that has been inactive for roughly five years now? [[User:Greigite|Greigite]] ([[User talk:Greigite|talk]]) 06:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:No. Unless there's an extreme reason to do it, there's no way to usurp a username. Go to {{u|Kogoro}} for more info, since she's the one that can do the name changing and is probably more knowledgeable on this.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Spamming talk pages?! ==

"Please don't spam multiple talk pages with the same thing, it's pointless and clogs the recent changes. Use one talk page and stick with it.": I only placed the discussion on those talk pages because those were the articles where there had been a notable disagreement on the matter.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:That's not the point. Just because there are multiple pages in the dispute doesn't mean you should go to all of their talk pages, it's a pointless waste of time on only one of those discussions is probably going to be active.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:36, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I suppose I also did it to increase the chance that it would be noticed and a discussion would begin on the subject. Sorry if that was out of line.

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Mirror World

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==Mirror Universe==
Is it possible to describe it as an alternate universe to the main one in which the adventures of Ash and friends takes place in? That is excluding all altered histories as a result of time travel? How many times has that occurred (history being altered as a result of time travel) in the anime out of curiosity, does anyone remember?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 22:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's already says that it's an alternate dimension in the '''first line'''. Saying that it is an alternate timeline is just speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Well it is certainly not an alternate timeline due to history alteration as a result of time travel.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Mirror World

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Jdogno4: Well it is certainly not an alternate timeline due to history alteration as a result of time travel.

==Mirror Universe==
Is it possible to describe it as an alternate universe to the main one in which the adventures of Ash and friends takes place in? That is excluding all altered histories as a result of time travel? How many times has that occurred (history being altered as a result of time travel) in the anime out of curiosity, does anyone remember?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 22:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's already says that it's an alternate dimension in the '''first line'''. Saying that it is an alternate timeline is just speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Well it is certainly not an alternate timeline due to history alteration as a result of time travel.

--[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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